WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:05.440 If you love the West Tigers as much as we do, 2 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:08.320 and that's in a powerful light, you're welcome to come 3 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.880 and join us in our discussions on the West Tigers 4 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:14.160 Podcast forum. Our forum is the number one forum for 5 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:18.000 West Tigers fans to talk everything West Tigers. West Tigers 6 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:21.440 podcast dot com dot au slash forum. We hope to 7 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:41.759 see it there soon. Gary Watson, you're off your deathbed 8 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:46.240 from COVID. Good to see you. How did you go 9 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:50.280 last night being sick and watching the West Tigers? 10 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:57.920 Watching that first half, I wished I was dead. We so, yeah, 11 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:00.000 I was happy for COVID to take me at that point. 12 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:08.239 But yeah, it wasn't a great game. Yeah, yeah, I 13 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:09.000 wish I was dead. 14 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:13.959 That's it, Steve, there almost wasn't a West Tigers podcast. Like, 15 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:16.640 if you ask me, after fifty five minutes of that game, 16 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:18.200 I'm like, I don't know if we're going to be 17 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.719 able to do a podcast. I was sort of over 18 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:22.200 the whole the whole situation. 19 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.400 Well, Jil, it's going to be a pretty ad limb podcast. 20 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.519 Because I couldn't watch the game back today. There's just 21 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:33.840 no way I went through the I went through the 22 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.519 play by play stats that you get online, and that 23 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:41.480 was the most I could do in preparation for tonight. 24 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:45.599 And Nick's here and in good health by the look 25 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:48.959 of it, but has been torturing himself reading the socials, 26 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.519 watching back highlight clips, watching the game again. What you are, massachist, 27 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:54.480 I'd just like. 28 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:58.120 To soak myself and you know ingest everything that is 29 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:02.200 West Tigers. Look, you boys know, I was out last night, 30 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.400 so I watched most of the first half and missed 31 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:06.799 a lot of the second half. So I watched the 32 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:08.960 full replay today just to try and prep as I 33 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:13.120 do as a professional for this podcast. But as you've 34 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.479 boys sort of alluded to the first you know, sixty 35 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.680 odd minutes were pretty ordinary, weren't they, Like I was, 36 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.039 I'm glad I knew the result before I watched the 37 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.639 replay today, because you know, it was looking like it 38 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:27.879 was going to get really ugly at one point midway 39 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:32.199 through that second half last night. So yeah, I'm glad 40 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:34.000 we came back. We did show a lot of spirit 41 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:36.479 to come back into that game, but for the majority 42 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:37.560 it was it was horrible. 43 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.000 I've got three or four one words. We'll go to 44 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.280 you guys in a moment for your one word contribution, 45 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.960 but from the West Tigers podcast forum, Tiger Tragic's word 46 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:51.000 is frustration, especially over the ref and the bunker. We'll 47 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.280 talk about that shortly. Teddy S's word was reffed out, 48 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:59.360 and because I always have a few one words, Teddy 49 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.280 s says they're also going to throw in body language 50 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.159 and saying that the body language shows that maybe some 51 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.759 of our players have had enough. Cambra Tiger's word is 52 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.199 dead wood. We still have a lot to shed now 53 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.360 if we shed, if we fire up the shred or 54 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.280 anymore Cambra Tiger and without adding some people in Gary 55 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:22.159 and Steve are going to get a run soon. Nat 56 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:24.879 Mak seventy eight's word is momentum. We finally had it, 57 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.479 but run out of time. Walgot Tiger's word is frustrated. 58 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.639 There's a team in there, if Benji can just unlock it. 59 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:36.319 Peter Ay's word, this is out of left field. Actually 60 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:38.639 I'm going to leave. I'll leave Peter A's to last, 61 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:41.159 and then we'll go from there because that will open 62 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:44.479 a little conversation. I think Yarnie's word is backwards. We're 63 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:48.520 going backwards and Benji needs to go. Mac Tiger kicking. 64 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.719 We need a fifth tackle option and also referees was 65 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.960 a word for Mac Tiger. I presume in negative sense 66 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.680 Mike's words wooden spoon. Eddie's word was along those lines. 67 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.919 What did eddies wood was wood the spoon race, spoon race, 68 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.719 race to the bottom. Snake's word is dumb. There's just 69 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:10.319 not enough smarts in our team. Tiger town sfs's word 70 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:14.840 is cooked. Our season is cooked and dirty Red's discipline 71 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:21.120 that's what cost us tonight, Peter A. Gary said Brad Arthur. 72 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:26.199 Now that is out of left field. What do we 73 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:28.959 think about, you know, a big shake up in the 74 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:29.759 coaching ranks. 75 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.800 I do think questions are going to start being asked 76 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:40.879 around Andy Marshall's performance. I really think that if there 77 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.240 isn't significant signs of improvement soon, that noise around his 78 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.439 coaching is going to get fairly loud. So I think 79 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:50.920 the next this second half of the season that we're 80 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.199 just about coming into, is going to be really crucial 81 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.040 on whether he has a career as a coach or not. 82 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:59.639 So he's got some work to put in over the 83 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:00.560 next months. 84 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:05.600 Steve, It's an interesting one, isn't it, Because we don't 85 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:09.920 know exactly where Benji is in his progress as a coach. 86 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.040 We knew last year that he was green. We don't 87 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:17.040 know if he's going to take three years, two years, 88 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.439 five years, eight years. Like It's just hard to sort 89 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:23.360 of tell how coached we are because I'd suggest the 90 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.360 Cowboys look like they had a game plan, they were 91 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.480 on the advantage line, they quick play the balls, they 92 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.399 looked like they were ready to sort of take it 93 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.920 to us, and we don't seem to have that variation. 94 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.600 So I don't know, do we It's going to be 95 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.800 so long as we keep losing games, that'll continue to 96 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:43.160 be something that people raise the coaching issue. 97 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:48.120 J I think we mentioned this last part or a 98 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.519 couple of ponds ago, and I made the point I 99 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:54.199 said that Benji Marshall has proven himself through his playing 100 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:57.519 career that he's a champion. He's got a champion a 101 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:03.000 champion's mindset and mentality, and from what I've seen the 102 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.560 beginning of the year, the beginning of this season, he 103 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.839 seems to be bringing that mindset to his coaching. He's 104 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:15.000 definitely toughened up. I think with his coaching he gives 105 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:18.519 that persona anyway. But I also made the point that 106 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:20.879 I said, I think he's going to make it, and 107 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.720 let's hope it's sooner rather than later, which is what 108 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.160 you're saying, Joel. We don't know how long it's going 109 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:32.399 to take. He's not the finished product, you know, And 110 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:35.800 I don't know how long we've got before we have 111 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:40.160 to start thinking about that, because it's just been so long. 112 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:44.439 It's just been so long since we've tasted any success, 113 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:49.319 and maybe we just can't wait for another three years 114 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:52.519 for Benji to mature into the coach that he will become. 115 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.480 And I don't like saying that because I have a 116 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.439 lot of respect and time for Benji, as I think 117 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.439 most of us doing in some respect, at least. 118 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:06.240 Steve. I don't think it's a sooner or later thing. Though. 119 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.360 If he doesn't start to get results soon and the 120 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.639 pressure builds and it gets to the point where he's 121 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.000 no longer West Tiger's coach in the next twelve months 122 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.199 or so, then that's his coaching career in my opinion. 123 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:24.079 If he doesn't make good of this shot, then I 124 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:28.319 don't think he gets another opportunity. So while I do 125 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.360 think there is a good coach there because he's come 126 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:33.879 in in the manner that he's come in with not 127 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.920 a lot of experience, with not a lot of a 128 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:41.720 history in coaching. I think if this doesn't work, he 129 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.360 ends up back in the media. I don't see him 130 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.480 going to another club and serving an apprenticeship for the 131 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.959 next five years as an assistant coach somewhere looking for 132 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.000 that next chance to come up. We're in a position 133 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.079 now that's make or break for Benji. Marshall and I 134 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.439 spoke last week. I said that the players need to 135 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.879 stand up boring that. They say all the right things, 136 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:07.079 they talk about being behind Benji one hundred percent, but 137 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.360 they need to show that on the field and if 138 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.680 they want him as a coach moving forward, they've got 139 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.720 a couple of months to really turn this around and 140 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:20.040 stand up for him out on the field. There's been 141 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.759 enough talk about how they support him as a coach, 142 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:25.279 how they think he's a great coach. They need to 143 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:28.120 show it on the field and our senior leaders need 144 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.680 to show that on the field very very soon, otherwise 145 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.000 there's going to be massive questions asked about Benji as 146 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.000 a West Tigers coach. And as I said, I don't 147 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.240 think he gets another shot after this The. 148 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.240 Trouble is how much can you squeeze out of the lemon? 149 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:45.000 How much ability is really there? I mean, how playing 150 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.320 to potential. There's a lot of guys in that team 151 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.240 still that are probably playing just about that potential. 152 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:55.320 I think. I think the last couple of weeks he's 153 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:59.200 been let down by some of the senior guys. Those 154 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:04.000 two sin innings yesterday. Yeah, Like, my one word for 155 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:09.279 this week was ill disciplined because we won. Outside of 156 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.919 playing with twelve men, we won that game twenty eight 157 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.240 to six. It's the twenty minutes where we had twelve 158 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.120 men on the field that really hurt us. I know, 159 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.759 we'll pour in that first half, but the Cowboys weren't 160 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:27.120 anything flash Eiver. We lost that game in that twenty 161 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.120 minutes that we had those players off the field. 162 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.360 Well, it wasn't It wasn't just that that twenty minutes here, 163 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:34.159 that's that's where they scored their points. 164 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:35.679 You can't you can't argue that. 165 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.320 But I've got a few stats here because my word 166 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:42.759 was discipline as well. That was my one word for tonight. 167 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.200 And he's the first twenty minutes for you. In the 168 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.600 first twenty minutes, we made four errors we had three 169 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:53.919 rock infringements, two penalties against US, one player put on report, 170 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.720 and one player put in the SimBin. And the score 171 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:00.879 after the first twenty minutes was fourteen nil. As Gary said, 172 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.399 those fourteen points were scored with that one player in 173 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.879 the symbim. That was our first twenty minutes. You cannot 174 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:12.320 come back from that start at an R level. You're 175 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:15.759 giving a team an absolute leg up. Any advantage that 176 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.559 we may have had by coming off the by and 177 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:21.600 being freshened up and two weeks to prepare and all 178 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:24.120 that sort of talk, all that's gone when you're put 179 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:26.559 in our first twenty minutes like that, with that ill 180 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.279 disciplined performance. And this is what concerns me most about. 181 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:34.120 If we want to talk, Benji, if you want, we 182 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.159 may be going too far into a job because we're 183 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.600 just talking one words at the moment. But this is 184 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:41.360 what concerns me most is that we started the season 185 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.919 we had we had half a dozen games where we 186 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.519 looked like we were turning a corner. But now the 187 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:51.200 last three games that we've played, we've just seen an 188 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:56.399 absolute repetition of the type of football we've played last year, 189 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.120 the year before, the year before, that and that is 190 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:03.879 just this ill disciplined brand of football where we just 191 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.960 shoot ourselves in the foot and yeah, we might do 192 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.799 some good things and we all walk away. As I've 193 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.720 read online at Norse in the last twenty four hours, 194 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:15.559 Oh we were so close, great comeback. Oh we almost 195 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.120 got there. The ref ruined it. No, none of that, 196 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.120 None of that. It was our lack of discipline on 197 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:25.120 the football field that didn't give us a chance to 198 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:28.960 contest in that game when it mattered. We only contested 199 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.240 in that game at the back end of the game, 200 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:36.200 when when the Cowboys took their foot off the pedal. 201 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:40.200 And that's a real worry, real worry all around. 202 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.480 Our first twenty minutes was poor. Yesterday, the first half 203 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.879 was poor all round. The thing is, even while being poor, 204 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.600 we're competing with the Cowboys up until that first inbining, 205 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.320 up until that first inventing. We'll ride in that game, 206 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:58.159 and it had our chances Tower almost went through not 207 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.840 long before that first inviny, So we were really competing 208 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:06.440 in that game despite those errors. For me and those errors, 209 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.720 we've been a slow starting side all season. The whole season. 210 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.919 That first twenty minutes we've been incredibly poor. We struggled 211 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.039 to get up the field, and we struggled to create 212 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:19.759 chances in that first twenty minutes, and that was again 213 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.279 quite evident yesterday. But our senior players let us down yesterday. 214 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.759 It wasn't the young players. It was the senior players 215 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:30.120 who let us down through poor disionline, through poor errors. 216 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:35.039 And from I know, Benji Marshall and a lot of 217 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.200 people come out and said the sin binnings were harsh, 218 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.240 and they were hard. They were hard sin bins. But 219 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:43.200 there's no doubt that Jerome lou I held down two 220 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:47.519 tackles in a row. I don't think that can can 221 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:51.519 even be questioned. He held on for too long. And 222 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.200 while I thought the sin binning was harsh, him holding 223 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:59.480 down put him in that position to be bin Adam Dewey, 224 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:04.200 who I thought was trying to turn around and put 225 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:06.840 himself in a bad position, but he put himself in 226 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:10.240 a bad position to be sindied. They're the two crucial 227 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.639 errors that cost us yesterday. But I do agree with 228 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:18.759 Steve the discipline was pour across across the game right 229 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:21.840 up and probably including that last twenty minutes where we 230 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:22.600 did fight back. 231 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.480 I'm going to channel my inner Garry here and say 232 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.759 not just two things can be right at the same time, 233 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:29.919 but three things can be right at the same time. 234 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.519 So I am one hundred percent on board with the 235 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.320 West Tigers being an organization that's never really had discipline, 236 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:40.440 Like discipline is not our well, it's not our master. 237 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:42.559 We can't do it at any levels. On discipline on 238 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:48.440 any level over more than two decades. I think talking 239 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:50.960 about the first twenty minutes, I don't think that it's 240 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.879 necessarily discipline. I thought we were just hanging in there. 241 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.639 I thought the Cowboys were smashing us. And we'll get 242 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:58.879 around to my one words in a moment, and one 243 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:00.840 of those one words relate to that, and I think 244 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:02.759 we were just hanging in and hanging in and trying 245 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:06.440 to slow their play the ball. So not discounting their 246 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:07.320 discipline is poor. 247 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.600 But I think that the way which has been going 248 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:12.639 has been the trade all season. That's what I meant 249 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:14.360 in that opening twenty minutes exactly. 250 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:19.080 And I think the refereeing also, you know, it felt 251 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:22.480 to me like there was more onus, on us getting 252 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.399 off the tackle player than the Cowboys. They were able 253 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:26.879 to slow us down, but they're play the ball the 254 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.279 way They're able to get to their feet very similar 255 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:32.720 to some of the other really good teams we are. 256 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.559 We are, you know, like slugs getting to our feet, 257 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.480 and the way that they wrestle, the way that the 258 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:39.080 way they get to their feet, the way that they 259 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.879 keep moving even when they're tackled is very impressive. 260 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:43.320 Steve. 261 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:44.879 And then Nick, I've got a question for. 262 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.200 You like that. 263 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:49.960 You're talking about the refereeing, and I think that comes 264 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:52.399 back to what we talked about earlier about Benji and 265 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.559 the game plan and the cheap sheet and the preparation 266 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.960 sheet that they go through before a game in the week. 267 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.039 In the prep in the week leading up to the game, 268 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.279 we knew we had Klimb in the bunker, and we 269 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.360 knew we had Sutton on the field. That's true, two 270 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.519 of the most pedantic referees, very good at their craft. 271 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:17.320 They officiate the rules exceptionally well. I think they referee 272 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.320 a football game terribly. That's just my personal opinion, but 273 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:25.279 they officiate the rules exceptionally well, especially Sutton. He can 274 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.720 blow the pee out of a whistle now. But the 275 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:31.519 point is we knew he was the referee, so therefore, 276 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:36.879 in preparation, surely over and over and over again. It 277 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.600 had to be drummed into the team. And back to 278 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.759 Gary's point earlier about our senior players led by our 279 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:46.840 senior players, that we need to be absolutely on our 280 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.879 game because we will get penalized at the slightest thing. Right, 281 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:53.600 And despite the fact that everyone wanted to get up 282 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:57.240 Bateman and show him how tough we were, the ill 283 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:02.279 discipline that that created, the brawn over brain that that created, 284 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:05.559 meant that we've had up with two blokes spent ten 285 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.480 minutes in the sympneach. It was dumb, dumb, dumb football, 286 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:13.480 and we did not think about who was refereeing and 287 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.240 the way we had to play because. 288 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.559 Of that, Steve, you and I had a conversation one 289 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:21.480 on one last week and we spoke about I said 290 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.200 to you, now, you made a mistake there, Steve, because 291 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.600 you were talking about our wonderful club that we all love. 292 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:29.440 But you started the sentence with surely that's always a 293 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:32.559 big mistake, because I would say something like, surely we 294 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:34.639 could see Royce Hunt is not a starting prop and 295 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.440 he's better off on the bench, and we should start 296 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.679 see only Fainer instead, because our bench was, you know, 297 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.600 pretty ineffective and Rose Hunt was really ineffective. Anyway, Nick, 298 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:50.240 two of my words are unorthodox and touch footing. This 299 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:54.960 teams are often representations of the way that their coach has, 300 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.679 their philosophy, their personality. I see a mirror of Benji 301 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:02.279 marsh in a lot of our team on the field. 302 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:04.920 I was going to jump in and say that too, 303 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:08.880 like Gary was talking about. You've all talked about how messy, 304 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.640 especially the opening twenty minutes was, and it's not just 305 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.480 the ill discipline efforts around holding players down too long, 306 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.000 you know, but a lot of the force passes and 307 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.160 I made a mention of that in our group chat 308 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:23.480 last night, is you know, even on the second and 309 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.680 third tackle. I know the plan looked like to go 310 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:28.880 wide early, but the silly tap on is like Samuel 311 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.200 la Faye who tried to tap on and the second 312 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.039 tackle and went behind Charlie Sains I think in over 313 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.640 the sideline. But that's not warranted in the first twenty minutes. 314 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.759 You need to you need to grind your way into 315 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:42.640 the game, and you need to be neck and neck. 316 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:44.799 And I know Gary made a point that we were 317 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:46.720 running neck and neck until the first synby and then 318 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.759 we were or their Jole. As you said, the Cowboys 319 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.680 were looking pretty sharp and we're probably all over the 320 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.319 top of us. But you've got to earn your way 321 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:57.720 into a match, and I don't think we're doing that. 322 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:01.359 I think, like you just suggested, Joel or sort of 323 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:06.160 spoke towards, we are sort of playing an expansive brand early, 324 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.519 which is very attacking wise, and that is how Benji 325 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.200 plays it. I wonder there's still a lot of talk 326 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.599 that you know in the training field. Benji jumps in 327 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.480 and does a lot of the moves himself and runs 328 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.400 a lot of the players. But I just wonder whether 329 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:20.680 the players are watching that and trying to emulate him 330 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.319 a bit too much. Well, maybe they need to know 331 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:24.319 to roll a bit more. 332 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.960 I leave that such a being such an apprentice of 333 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.279 Marshall and the way that he played like sometimes that 334 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.440 eggs into his game, and I'm sure Pendrith fans would 335 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.759 say that's probably one of his weaker points, is when 336 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.279 he does play too unstructured. Gary had his hand. 337 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.119 On Yeah, that opening twenty minutes. I think I said 338 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.559 after round one that that opening twenty minutes is going 339 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.240 to be an issue for us all year, and I 340 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.839 won't step away from that that opening twenty minutes, and 341 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.640 every game is going to be a time in a 342 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.720 game where we have to hang on. And I think 343 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.240 that a little bit more expands that we play with 344 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:04.119 is kind of it's there to counter our inability to 345 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.519 get down the field for our forwards in that opening 346 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.319 twenty Even a guy like Terrelle May, who's having a 347 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:14.880 wonderful season, he struggles in that opening twenty minutes against 348 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.519 fresh forwards. He gets better the longer he's out on 349 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:21.079 the field, and his other forwards tire because he's not 350 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.519 that tall. He's a decent size, but he's not that tall. 351 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:27.799 I don't think he has the size and to still 352 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:31.440 want a Joles with the physicality to really dent the line. 353 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.319 So he gets better as a game, and you'll see 354 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:36.119 if you watch him in the first twenty minutes of 355 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.200 most games, he will often go the ball, go to 356 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:42.160 the line and pass early in the game, pass to 357 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:46.079 another forward, And all that to me is a strategy 358 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:49.519 to overcome our lack of punch in that opening twenty minutes. Now, 359 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.319 what I was hoping is that once we had Hunts starting, 360 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:55.160 that would get a little bit of that punch. But 361 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.720 when you have his stats from last night of one 362 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:01.440 run for seven meters, quite obvious that that we did 363 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:05.799 not get that from him last night. So I do 364 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.920 agree that I think we need to be starting with 365 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.279 the only moving forward. But that's not going to fix 366 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.680 that issue either. That twenty minutes is going to have 367 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.279 to be a period of the game where we're hanging 368 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:20.279 on into the game. I don't see that changing, and 369 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:24.480 that's why ill disciplined mistakes like after getting towards the 370 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:26.759 end of that twenty minute, like part way through that 371 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.240 twenty minutes and getting a guy simmed in, we can't 372 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:31.880 afford because that's the toughest part of the game for us. 373 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:33.920 I think you'll see us come back over the top 374 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.880 of teams late in games like we did last night, 375 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.279 but we've got to we've really got to be really 376 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.400 disciplined in that first twenty minutes. 377 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:45.960 Low percentage play is trying to score on every play. 378 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:51.000 Attention to detail, Steve, And also, like I'm going to say, 379 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.519 I agree with you in terms of like not just discipline, 380 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.920 in terms of playing to the rules and making sure 381 00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:58.960 that you're dotting guys and crossing t's and not giving 382 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:02.839 away six agains and things like that. But discipline is 383 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:07.039 something that we lack. Just it's not just this squad. 384 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:10.359 It's something that we've traditionally or we've lacked quite often. 385 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:13.480 And that's the discipline of building a game, building a game, 386 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:17.119 moving yourself around the field, playing where you want to play, 387 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.039 your kicking game, you're setting things up. We just look 388 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.000 like we consistently just have to do something every time 389 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.079 we get the ball, and it's just not the way 390 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:26.200 that you win games. 391 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:33.319 Yeah, we're definitely struggling at the moment, not having an 392 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:37.079 established organizing seven. You know, no matter how you want 393 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:41.440 to paint it, we are struggling with that. I mentioned 394 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.799 in the group chat the South. I was watching the 395 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:49.200 Penrith game today and I just watched Cleary bring that 396 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:51.799 game home for Penrith, and like, I know, they haven't 397 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.400 set the wad on fire this season, but he started 398 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.720 off by doing what clearly does. He kicked a forty 399 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:01.200 twenty to take all the press off and change the momentum. 400 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:06.359 But from that point on he just pretty much single 401 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:10.119