Speaker 1: We're classified as a C tier for now. But these
Speaker 1: are the two things that came up. This person was
Speaker 1: talking about something they had heard and were told to.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this means they were told directly
Speaker 1: by any Mushetti or they were just like kind of
Speaker 1: game of telephone. So that's why we're setting this up right.
Speaker 1: But we have heard some things about the merge and whatnot,
Speaker 1: so this comes down to braving the Bull DC and Paramount.
Speaker 1: This was a trending tweet, which again this was a
Speaker 1: made up. If people see this account called Chaos Crave,
Speaker 1: there's a fake account. It's not even happening because they
Speaker 1: were spending a rumor that Michael Johnston, the guy who
Speaker 1: was the main lead and obsession, that he was in
Speaker 1: Negotians to play night Wing for Brave and Bold. That
Speaker 1: that's not true. All this account just makes it up
Speaker 1: all the time. But this person said, I have no
Speaker 1: idea if it's true or false. I'm assuming it's definitely false.
Speaker 1: But I did hear from but this is what he said.
Speaker 1: I did hear from Muschetti that all the work on
Speaker 1: Braving the Bull is on her hold until after the
Speaker 1: merger is settled. And then someone kind of asked for
Speaker 1: more details, and then he said, I suspect what it's
Speaker 1: likely is that Mushetti himself doesn't know if he's moving
Speaker 1: don't Brain the Bowlt until after the mergers finalizes. But
Speaker 1: he also doesn't also mention if it doesn't pan out
Speaker 1: him directing the film, he'll just move on to another film.
Speaker 1: He didn't seem worried. So, Taylor, what do you feel
Speaker 1: about like, because we've kind of thought about this with
Speaker 1: shows like Oustie last week we got Jimmy Olsen versus
Speaker 1: or whatever the people versus Gorilla Grod that's announced, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't work. There seems to be we've heard some
Speaker 1: scuttle but that some of these other projects might not
Speaker 1: be able to get green like we don't know the
Speaker 1: full capability. It sounds like something with the merger is
Speaker 1: maybe stopping DC from green lighting some projects right now.
Speaker 1: Right now we have clay Face coming out, then we've
Speaker 1: got Mannet tomorrow, and for films wise, we have The Batman,
Speaker 1: which isn't the DC, but it's still like a DC
Speaker 1: film right it's going on, and then for TV shows
Speaker 1: we got Creature Commandos, Mister Miracle and something that the
Speaker 1: animated stuff and the groad Show. I just I guess,
Speaker 1: how do I pose this question to you? Like, what
Speaker 1: do you hmm? Do you think it's Do you think, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the best way the merger's happening. Do you think
Speaker 1: any shit if let's say this story is true, right
Speaker 1: he told this guy who's like a reporter right now,
Speaker 1: and let's say he told him. Do you think he's
Speaker 1: saying that just because he they can't literally announce anything
Speaker 1: like Hey, we want to get this merger settled and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna start going on one or on Batman,
Speaker 1: these big projects. Or do you think it's I don't
Speaker 1: know if All Mama's filmed, because after the merger things
Speaker 1: could change. Do you think it's like we're just holding
Speaker 1: stuff up for money wise, or it's a I don't
Speaker 1: know what direction paramount he's gonna go.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's absolutely direction. I really do. And
Speaker 2: I think someone could have said something like if the
Speaker 2: merger goes through. I think someone probably was loose about it, like, hey,
Speaker 2: why are we doing another Batman movie with a whole
Speaker 2: other story when we've already got a Batman already in play?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I think that could be one of the topics of conversation.
Speaker 2: That's someone even from Paramount through into the into the
Speaker 2: meeting room, right, And I get it. It makes it
Speaker 2: makes sense. Why would you start up another Batman thing
Speaker 2: when you've already got a Batman up and running, right,
Speaker 2: And I mean that you have to look they were doing.
Speaker 2: They would have done both at the same time, but
Speaker 2: clearly one got put on hold. It's funny because before,
Speaker 2: like before the merger, any of those discussions, James Gunn
Speaker 2: was leading the charge and it was like, Okay, Batman
Speaker 2: Part two is gonna come, but it's been delayed, delayed, delayed,
Speaker 2: Da da da dad. But then the bowl is announced.
Speaker 2: You know this we're gonna be working on. We've got
Speaker 2: our Batman. Da da da da da. And now okay,
Speaker 2: that's been put on hold, and Pattison's Batman is in
Speaker 2: the works, it's running, it's being made right now. So
Speaker 2: I just think that's kind of funny. And if if
Speaker 2: that wasn't the case, then yeah, you'd have both of them.
Speaker 2: But I really strongly do think it comes down to
Speaker 2: someone preferring just we've already got established Batman, let's stick
Speaker 2: with it. It's already this is how much money you know
Speaker 2: it's making, Like, let's just stick with this one, right.
Speaker 1: But then what do you do with the So in
Speaker 1: this situation, what do you do if Man Timore's a
Speaker 1: hit and the DCUs still go on? Because right now,
Speaker 1: Lantern's fifth biggest HBO was show and the numbers are good,
Speaker 1: and I'd say most reviews like, obviously some fans of problem,
Speaker 1: let's well.
Speaker 2: There's the thing turn into a TV show then, But no.
Speaker 1: Way, you can't put Batman on TV after Supergirl.
Speaker 2: I just I feel like someone's looking at that, and
Speaker 2: I think that's people in suits. They You can say
Speaker 2: the popularity of Batman versus Supergirl that you can make
Speaker 2: a case for it, sure, but the people in suits
Speaker 2: don't see that. They see money. And when you have
Speaker 2: a DC hero on the big screen it making very
Speaker 2: bad money, then I think that's gonna set the tone
Speaker 2: for Okay, this is what we can expect, you know,
Speaker 2: unless we're kind of look at it like, hey, this
Speaker 2: is our spider Man. This is gonna be a two
Speaker 2: billion dollar movie. But I don't think so.
Speaker 1: What happens if for the budget Clay faces a hit
Speaker 1: and then One Man of Tomorrow's hit. What if? Because
Speaker 1: it set this up for you because I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've kept up on this. What happens was they
Speaker 1: have to go to trial. I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 1: but it was like, oh, they could get approved not
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, we got to do a trial
Speaker 1: to figure it out. That doesn't happen till March twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven, so like, and that's where the trial starts.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's going to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: second week of March they got control of WB But
Speaker 1: let's let's say, for just to make it easy for
Speaker 1: some reason, the tro Go is great for Paramount and
Speaker 1: like March twenty twenty seven, it's it's confirmed, locked and loaded,
Speaker 1: you're good to go there. So that would mean March,
Speaker 1: and that's what April, May, June, July Manitomorro is only
Speaker 1: four months away, so you're not really gonna do anything then.
Speaker 1: And let's say you get to Mana Tomorrow and let's
Speaker 1: say you have Superman, Clay Face and Man Tomorrow are hits.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about the suits. But what if three
Speaker 1: out of the four movies they've done our hits? What
Speaker 1: do you do then? With like cause like you're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: like you gotta keep you maybe don't do the Batman.
Speaker 1: But at that point, sure, but Batman two is gonna
Speaker 1: be a hit. But if Paramunt gets it and the like,
Speaker 1: you know what, keep the DCU going, We're actually happy
Speaker 1: with this. That's fine. If they do that, then what
Speaker 1: do you do with Batman? Because you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: have a Batman eventually, right with Justice League and all
Speaker 1: the team ups and everything, So you can't and if
Speaker 1: it's not passing, you have to do that at some point, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I would say twenty eight remember yet, think
Speaker 2: that maybe they just have Braving the Bold on hold
Speaker 2: until after that because they see how much a Batman
Speaker 2: movie makes in theaters post COVID and everything. Right, I
Speaker 2: think and see use this as a template and if
Speaker 2: this character makes a lot of money, then we're gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and do Braving the Bold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I get I get. So you say,
Speaker 1: if the Batman makes a lot of money, they're just like,
Speaker 1: we can have you another Batman.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's there, that's kind of their feeler,
Speaker 2: that's their their test.
Speaker 1: How would you because I saw this going around when
Speaker 1: the story was going, and I don't know how I
Speaker 1: feel about this. How would you feel if Passed and
Speaker 1: did both?
Speaker 2: Well, that would mean that it is part of the DCU, right.
Speaker 1: Well, well, you know, not necessarily, not necessarily right, Like
Speaker 1: what like they're I'm trying to think of. I feel
Speaker 1: like in the remember when they started Daredevil and at
Speaker 1: first it was gonna be like, oh, Charlie Cox is
Speaker 1: playing a new version of Daredevil, but then they put
Speaker 1: the Netflix on nudi in some people have said, like,
Speaker 1: what if you do that where this is like the
Speaker 1: early years of Batman. I don't like it at all,
Speaker 1: really because I don't want like that Joker and that
Speaker 1: stuff going on there, But like, would you be fine
Speaker 1: of Passing played like a completely different Batman but he's
Speaker 1: still playing like he's playing two different versions of Batman
Speaker 1: and different movies. I think there's no way that happens.
Speaker 1: I don't think he does.
Speaker 2: They don't do that.
Speaker 1: Unless Reeves is really cool with it for some reason.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, sure that sounds good. But here's the
Speaker 1: before I give my thoughts, Cloud says a full reboot.
Speaker 1: So Terry, let's say again that situe situation right where
Speaker 1: you said Okay, they get it. They're a little iffy.
Speaker 1: Superman's a hit, but let's say super Bowl as he
Speaker 1: didn't do well, clay Face is fine man and Timorrow
Speaker 1: does like fine to me. And let's say Gun's gone.
Speaker 1: Do you think they do a full reboot again where
Speaker 1: they're gonna go, we're gonna start over and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a new Superman, green lantern everything like that, or
Speaker 1: even without James gunn do they just push forward with
Speaker 1: these pieces and say, hey, you know, we like corn Sweat,
Speaker 1: we like Aaron Pierre, but we maybe don't like guns
Speaker 1: vision with them, so we're gonna kind of pivot like
Speaker 1: what would you that situation?
Speaker 2: And don't then vision thing. I think they'll look at
Speaker 2: James gun and think, okay, we got to kind of
Speaker 2: move this guy off, you know, the table a little bit.
Speaker 2: He's coming to these meetings. You know, she's she can't
Speaker 2: take any constructive criticism, keeps wanting to have all these
Speaker 2: sex scenes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the first one they bring out. They have
Speaker 1: a dashboard and they're like the sex scene with wives
Speaker 1: and talking animals, jokes, and he's in the meeting like
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Speaker 1: our original episode from January before Lestatt came out, and
Speaker 1: I say one at a time, in like in a
Speaker 1: loud way. It's in the first five minutes. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: shry guy that thread later. But for me, it is
Speaker 1: the gun vision, Like there's only like if they get
Speaker 1: it and they go if they're disappointed with the DCU.
Speaker 1: To me, there's only two things you do. It's okay,
Speaker 1: it's a football thing where we like the players, but
Speaker 1: we want a new coach. Gun you're out, someone's in. Right.
Speaker 1: You could argue though they kind of did that after
Speaker 1: Snyder when you had like Shazam and Blue Beadle and
Speaker 1: Birds of Prey, Like they kind of did that right
Speaker 1: and it didn't really an aquaman. It didn't really work
Speaker 1: out for them the whole, like just carrying on the
Speaker 1: same universe with a new coach that didn't work. But
Speaker 1: I would say, you do that or what I've said before,
Speaker 1: you just go back to now. And I know DC
Speaker 1: fans might hate this. From now on, every movie's like
Speaker 1: The Batman, where it's a one off. It's like the Batman,
Speaker 1: it's Joker. There's no more connected universe. Because I do
Speaker 1: think if they were to let's say, let's say Man
Speaker 1: It to More really disappoints and they let Reees finish
Speaker 1: his trilogy and then after just like no, and after
Speaker 1: Dark Night Rise is like, Okay, we're gonna start a
Speaker 1: new universe. I don't think the audience would be like,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I guess Matt Reeves like sometimes
Speaker 1: takes a while, like these can take a while to
Speaker 1: get made. But I'll say this within the next within
Speaker 1: the ten years here, I don't know if the audience
Speaker 1: would be like hype for another DC reboot, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't think you can like for a universe.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you can get New Superman, sure, but
Speaker 1: to do the whole like oh this is that you
Speaker 1: gotta watch this and this is connected. I think this
Speaker 1: is they're one shot for now. You can always do
Speaker 1: it down the line again. But I don't think you
Speaker 1: can just reboot and start over. And I think for
Speaker 1: the most part, even myself, we didn't love Supman. I
Speaker 1: really like corn Sweat and I like Rachel Bras in hand,
Speaker 1: So I don't really want to lose those those actors
Speaker 1: or characters. I just want to And again I'm not
Speaker 1: even saying Gun should lose his position yet. I think
Speaker 1: there's some questionable things going on now. But I've always said, like,
Speaker 1: you gotta wait till manatonmore. You gotta see that, because
Speaker 1: if that does hit, you can't take them out of
Speaker 1: the chair because then it's like, okay, well the main
Speaker 1: piece of the universe is working right. And for the
Speaker 1: end of Muschetti thing, I think it's a bit of both.
Speaker 1: I bet it is like, hey, we don't want to
Speaker 1: go like anything a big budget because we don't know
Speaker 1: because there's a universe where and paramount with the else
Speaker 1: and some of the richest people. Maybe when they make
Speaker 1: that Batman movie, they make it for a lot more
Speaker 1: money with the with the merged right where if it's
Speaker 1: just WB maybe they're like, well, we've got to really
Speaker 1: Like maybe at Paramount they could say, hey, you could
Speaker 1: make Batman and two other DC movies, where if it's
Speaker 1: just Warner Bros. They say, hey, you can only make
Speaker 1: Brain and Bowl this year, like you only go like
Speaker 1: Latin next year is only we've only had one DC. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess we've got clay Face, right, but with Superman
Speaker 1: and then Superman two next year, that's two DC films
Speaker 1: or two years we're just one DC movie. That's it, right,
Speaker 1: just one live action one. So it could I think
Speaker 1: it's that where it is money, where it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we do gotta wait. But I do think it is
Speaker 1: and not even Mouchete. I think just in general I've
Speaker 1: said that. I even think there's a chance Gun could
Speaker 1: just walk and say eh, I'm over this or again
Speaker 1: people we don't. We have no idea how meetings are
Speaker 1: gonna go. They can meet He can meet with these
Speaker 1: els and people and be like fuck man, like we
Speaker 1: don't really job at all, Like this is not gonna work.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and make gardens for I'm gonna do whatever,
Speaker 1: like and same thing with them. They could be like
Speaker 1: you know what, even with Manatmore being a hit. They
Speaker 1: could be like, we don't like these movies, or we
Speaker 1: don't like how Gun's working, you know. At the end,
Speaker 1: they too could also be like we don't like each other,
Speaker 1: but if hey, you're gonna pay me and I'm making
Speaker 1: you money, that's cool. We really don't know, so I
Speaker 1: think it is more the direction as far as they
Speaker 1: don't even know, Like again, people like we've talked about this,
Speaker 1: but like we should talk about this more. James Gunns
Speaker 1: contracts up next year, it's not been renewed, so even
Speaker 1: to me, if like we don't know if James Gun's
Speaker 1: going past twenty twenty seven, no wonder why Andy would
Speaker 1: be like, I don't fucking know if I'm freckding Batman,
Speaker 1: Like he'd like if if the guy that hired you
Speaker 1: to get the job, and I think we've all had this,
Speaker 1: if you work at a job and you got hired
Speaker 1: by somebody, but that person either leaves and gets fired,
Speaker 1: and if they if you like them in your go
Speaker 1: to person, it's like, Okay, I'm dealing with a new boss,
Speaker 1: which sometimes can go good, but then sometimes like you
Speaker 1: don't have that back and forth, you don't have the history,
Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, same thing. Let's say Gun gets
Speaker 1: gone and Andy's still there and they bring in some
Speaker 1: other guy right offusly Big Dan Linz at Netflix. But
Speaker 1: let's say they bring him back and now Andy has
Speaker 1: to go to him, and that doesn't work. So I
Speaker 1: think it's that because Gun, we don't even know about Gun,
Speaker 1: so why would we know about Andy. I think that
Speaker 1: means what brain The Bowl probably wouldn't even be till
Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine the earliest. Now they're Batman, because it'd
Speaker 1: be let's say the Court if it goes well, the merger,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go well, but for them
Speaker 1: it goes well, merger settles in March, you have to
Speaker 1: make a movie, so it's gonna take a whole year.
Speaker 1: They're never gonna put the two Batman movies out in
Speaker 1: the same year, right because now The Batman's out in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, So yeah, we're looking at at least
Speaker 1: three years till we get the Batman movie. I do
Speaker 1: think that does heighten the chance so that Batman could
Speaker 1: be in the DCU, just not the movie. I do
Speaker 1: think he could be in Man of Tomorrow or something else,
Speaker 1: because if gun looks at us, say, hey, we can't
Speaker 1: make a Batman movie till three years, let's at least
Speaker 1: introduce him somewhere, you know, so we'll see. It sucks.
Speaker 1: But I'm not that Actually, I won't even say it sucks.
Speaker 1: I'm fine it sucks for people excited we got the
Speaker 1: Batman too. I'm seeing these set photos. That's all I need.
Speaker 1: I don't need to breathe in the bowl, you know
Speaker 1: that going on? So anything else to add on this?
Speaker 2: No, I got nothing to add Yeah, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: We got a long time again March. So what's that now?
Speaker 1: We're in August, so September, October, November, December, January, February, March.
Speaker 1: We still got seven months before this is all gonna
Speaker 1: be up in the air for seven months at least,
Speaker 1: could be even more. That trial could go on for
Speaker 1: months too, but like seven months up in the air,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on. So we will see.
Speaker 1: So we will be back next week for episode three.
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