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Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on the show. I'm really
excited to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, it's great having you. Thanks for your time. Sean.
Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm a forty two year old kind of a what's
i'd like to call myself. I'm from Vancouver Island, but
I currently live in Alberta and yea, I grew up
in the woods as much as I possibly could be,
and the less and less over the years just because
of work, but definitely I love the outdoors and love nature.
Speaker 1: Well, nothing wrong with that. That's where all the fun
stuff is out there in the woods. What's been the
strangest thing that you've seen in the woods that didn't
involve a sasquatch or a dog man.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I guess it's kind of random, but one
day we were in the woods on a big plateau
overlooking the ocean, and a huge pod of oorc of whales.
About twenty five of them started feeding on some school
of fish. But it was pretty surreal to watch, for sure.
Definitely once in a lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say so. Yeah, very few people see that
sort of thing. And if you grew up on Vancouver
Island when you were a kid, did your parents let
you just head out into the woods and explore and
you had to be back by dinner time? Or did
you grow up with parents that were more helicopter parents
that wanted to keep you around all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we were gone off on our pedal bikes
from whenever we wanted to leave for most of the
day un till it got dark half the time, so
we might come back for some lunch when we wanted to.
But yeah, we had free rain to go off into
the woods, and we lived on acres that attached to
more woods in a river and a mountain and everything.
So pretty neat way to grow up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say so, That's what I was about to say, Wow,
what a neat way to grow up. That would be great.
I can only imagine the things I get into out there.
I've always wanted to live on Vancouver Island. So I'm
really jealous, I really am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really neat. We used to do tons
of mountain biking. We do ocean sports out on sailboats
and speedboats, and yeah, tons of hiking, anything to do
with rivers and fishing and always exploring in the woods.
For sure.
Speaker 1: Well that's a great time when you were spending all
that time out there in the woods with your buddies.
Did anything ever happen that you think might have been
sasquatch related or dogman related but you just didn't realize
what you were dealing with back then.
Speaker 2: Possibly I didn't really know much about the idea of
sasquatch and definitely not dogmen. When I was a kid,
the biggest thing we had was black bears and cougars,
so kind of I just would have assumed that if
there was some commotion in the woods by something big
when I was young, it would have assumed would have
been a bear or a cougar. It usually would have
just steered clear of the area, but didn't have any
direct anything that I would now look back and say
was probably a sasquatch. Do men as a child.
Speaker 1: Well, well that's good then, now that you know, the
sasquatch and dog men are definitely out there. Do you
in a way wish that you knew about that back
then so you wouldn't have had it into the woods?
Or are you glad you didn't know so you were
able to get all these great experiences?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I think I'm glad that I didn't know,
although who knows if i'd had a decent experience like
my sasquatch experience that I had before as an adult
a young adult, and then also my dog man experience
that I had relatively recently, neither of them really scared
me that much, So I think it is either way,
it's ever it was meant to be, is how it's
meant to be. But now, knowing how prevalent they are,
I wouldn't have been surprised at all that they've seen
me or they've been around. They probably just never bothered us.
Speaker 1: Well I'm pretty sure that's almost a given that they've
seen you quite a few times, probably more times than
you'd be comfortable with. Yeah, you're still here, no trouble,
no problem, So yeah, that fits, that's how normally goes. Now,
do you have any kids, Shine.
Speaker 2: I do I have two little boys. They're eight and ten.
Speaker 1: I see two boys eight and ten. What are your
thoughts on allowing them to head into the forest the
way you did when you're a kid and just explore
and have fun. Do you let them do that unsupervised
or do you allow them to head into the woods
but only if you're there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're it's a lot different these days. Just my
wife especially is a bit more strict, maybe a bit
of a helicopter mom. I'm a bit more relaxed, but
definitely they're city kids. They've been raised in town, so
we have a small acres that we go to and
we do activities, and they enjoy being outdoors, but they're not,
you know, wood smart the way that we were. They
didn't grow up exploring without their parents. Yeah, we definitely
don't give them anywhere near the kind of freedom that
we used to have.
Speaker 1: How times have changed. I know when I grew up,
and apparently when you grew up, that's all you wanted
to do was just go out and explore and be
away from home, spending time in the woods. That was priceless.
But yeah, kids nowadays, all they want to do, it
seems like, is just sit in the house and play
video games. So, like I said, how times have definitely
changed from what I understand. You build a tree cabin
for your kids. Is it in the woods pretty close
to your home or is it a fairly good distance away.
Speaker 2: Well, it's actually at an acreage which is about forty
minutes away from where we live. So we live in
a small town and then we own an acreage about
forty minutes away where we just do recreation things like ATVs.
And I'm setting up a zip line in this cabin
and stuff for them there.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that sounds like a great time. Have they
spent the night in that cabin yet?
Speaker 2: That tree cabmen, Yeah, we've done a few supers.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, if my dad would have built
a tree cabin for me, I wouldn't have known what
to do. I would have been beside myself. I'd say,
your kids haven't made They sure did hit the lottery
when it came to passing out dads.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. Yeah. It was my little boy.
It was his third birthday when we took him out
and showed him the cabin that I already had basically
ninety five percent built, and they just helped me put
their last finishing touches on it.
Speaker 1: That's all right, That really is considering the fact that
you've had both a sasquatch encounter and a dog mean encounter,
how would you compare and contrast the two, whether it's
like to encounter a sasquatch compared to a dog man.
Speaker 2: Well, I think just because of the situation of how
started I was when I had the sasquatch encounter, just
the fact that I was asleep and I didn't it
was in the dark, and I couldn't see you at
the start of the sighting, I was probably more scared
by the south squash citing. And then the other factor
is that I'd also since listened to so many podcasts
of yours about dog men, So I think a lot
of my fear factor was kind of lowered when I
had my dogmen encounter. So, I mean, totally different animals
are creatures, but different situations.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you didn't really freak out. I'm glad
you weren't traumatized by the dog man experience. Thank goodness
for that. But understand there are a lot of people
who have dog me and encounters, who have listened to
the show. That didn't stop them from being traumatized, very
traumatized by their experiences. So I'm just glad that how
your encounter played out, it didn't traumatize. Yeah. And speaking
of which, let's get to that now. Please tell us
about that encounter, given us every last detail that comes
to mind.
Speaker 2: All right. So I was on Vancouver Island and when
it happened, and I have a car hobby. So a
part of my car hobby is old bucks and vehicles,
and so because of that, while I was walking in
the woods one day, I found an old vehicle and
I had already kind of scoped it out a previous time,
so I knew that I could probably take a few
parts off of it. And it's not like stealing. This
is an abandoned vehicles that was, you know, in the
bush for years and years, so it's not like anybody
would mind. But anyways, what happened was I put a
jack under the car and I jacked it up. And
when I went to get the jack underneath the car,
I saw a deer and the deer had been dismembered,
so it kind of looked like it's arms and it's
all four of its legs had been pulled out of
the sockets and it was just neatly lined up so
all four legs the torso. The head was kind of
up near the top but still attached to the torso,
And it was as if someone or something had pulled
the arms and legs out of this deer and stabbed
it there for I don't know, for storage, almost so obviously,
I got pretty spooked when I saw that, so I
just I just wasn't thinking dogmen at the time. I
was thinking maybe cougar or something, But even then, thinking back,
I don't really think a cougar could really dismember a
deer that particular way. But anyways, I just kind of
figured i'd get out of the area some sort of
predator was there, So I stood up and I started
walking away, And as I was walking away, it felt
like I was kind of being flanked by some sort
of something in the woods. I didn't really know what
it was, so this kind of went on for a
little while. As I'm walking away from the situation, I
could hear something kind of not too close but not
too too far away, maybe twenty yards away, but I
couldn't really see what it was. Once in a while,
I could see a flash of a bit of brown,
a bit of color, but I definitely couldn't make out
what it was. And that continued for quite a while
as I as I walked out and you could hear
it crunching branches. Definitely something had to have been something
fairly large, but I still didn't know what it was
until eventually it basically came out from behind a tree
and showed itself to me, and it was like your
textbook kind of dog man up on hind legs and
showing me its teeth and kind of snarling at me
a bit. But for some reason, it just didn't didn't
seem as scary as maybe I was just more prepared
for it than most people, being that I knew they existed.
Still a bit scary, but not He was far fairly
far away, and it just didn't seem really quite as
mean as he was trying to make himself look.
Speaker 1: Was my thought, Well, that's still close enough. That's still
pretty close. Twenty yards when comes to these guys, feels
like two feet in most cases, So I think we
would describe that situation differently. Apparently, please describe him for us.
I know you say he was a textbook dog man.
But please take your time now, from top to bottom,
Please tell us about his appearance as accurately as you can.
Speaker 2: Sure, so, kind of almost like a German shepherd kind
of face, head, nose pronounced nose, long pointy ears, obviously big,
big snarly teeth, very jacked like, very muscular, big shoulders,
very strong, very strong defined arms, nasty claws, a big lung.
Not fingernails, but real claws. I'm pretty sure it had
five I believe it was like a I believe it
had five fingers. It appeared to have claws on them.
And yes, it was standing upright. I couldn't tell if
it had a tail or not because it was spacing
on to me. But yeah, definitely very muscular, a little
bit of a thin waist, muscular legs. The legs sort
of had those well it's a canine type leg looks
like it's spent backwards sort of thing. And yeah, he
was kind of snarling at me, just kind of showing
me his teeth. But for some reason, I wasn't quite
as scared as I probably should have been.
Speaker 1: That's really hard for me to understand here. He had
this dog man about twenty yards away from you, snarling
at you, and he looked the way he did, but
you weren't that frightened. What do you attribute that to?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think it was just I'd listened to almost
all the all of your Dogmen podcasts over the years,
and I mean, except for the there's odd ones where
someone shoots one or something and then they have an altercation,
but most of the time, it just seems like they
just really enjoy scaring the crap out of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, normally they do, but that doesn't preclude the chance
that you might get hurt. I mean, there are deviant
dogmen out there that will kill you if you get
the opportunity. That's obviously once in a blue moon. It's
not the norm, but they are out there. So yeah,
the fact that you were able to deal with that
so well without moving the needle all that much, that
really does come as a surprise. But that definitely beats
you being traumatized by the experience. So thank goodness for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of I feel like I knew that
at that point when it was kind of snartling at
me a bit, I felt like, if if it was
gonna get me already would have. I just kind of
felt like, Okay, it's just going to show me, you
know it just it just wants to scare me. At
that point, I didn't feel like it was more scary
when he was kind of flanking me and I couldn't
see him very well, you know, you kind of see
the outline of something. I think that was more scary
because I wasn't sure, you know, when or if he
was gonna come after me or anything. I mean, I'd
had I'd had bear bears charged me before in the woods.
I used to do forestry surveying and stuff, and could
be very scary. When you don't know, maybe don't know
where they're you know, whether they're actually going to attack
you or if they're just trying to scare you. It
can be unnerving for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh I sure can. Yeah, definitely when you've been charged
by the bears like that. Like you said, how did
you compare the fear that you felt in those cases
compared to when you were face to face with that
dog man.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess just different differently. Maybe maybe
my experiences over the years have sort of hardened being
up just you know, between bears and people in life,
and just you know, I'm not a young, scared youngster anymore.
I guess definitely just a whole different situation. Same with
the comparing the siting to the dog man encounter. They're
just totally different categories. And same with the bears.
Speaker 1: I think, Well, like I said, thank goodness, it didn't
traumatize yet. We'll take that all day long. How far
was it from where you encountered that dog man back
to your truck or your car?
Speaker 2: How far back was it? Probably about a mile a mile?
Speaker 1: Did you get the impression that it followed you all
the way back just part of the way. What impression
did you get on that?
Speaker 2: As soon as he showed his teeth and kind of
snarled at me, I just kind of didn't really give
it to you know. I looked at it for a
second or two, and then I just continued walking, and
then I didn't really hear it after that. I think
it just left me alone.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank goodness for that. Was that bick actually in
the woods or just on the edge of the woods.
Speaker 2: It was in the woods. There'd been some overgrown roads.
It was old logging roads that used to be opened
up so people you know, it could have been a
stolen vehicle or a broken vehicle. Hard to say, but
people would have probably drove it over the logging roads
maybe thirty forty years ago, and then it got overgrown
ever since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would explain how it got there. It doesn't
sound like you got the parts. You went there, Well,
you didn't go there looking for the parts, but it
sounds like you didn't get the parts that you wanted
to get off of it. Is that accurate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely never went back to that vehicle.
Speaker 1: I can understand. Why did you ever have any thoughts
about trying to go back to get those parts?
Speaker 2: Not particularly, It wasn't It was much more appetizing to
order something on the computer in order to go to
a junk yard in town.
Speaker 1: I understand. I don't blame you at all. You also
told us about that mangled deer that you found. Do
you think the dog may made its presence known to
you because you focused your attention on that deer the
way you did, or for some other reason?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was one of those. I think
that the dog men realized that I had basically found
the deer, and they were just kind of being protective
over their hunt or their kill. I think I've heard
a few similar situations of people people that were hunting themselves,
and you know, a dog man kind of like claims
their deer or dogma has their own deer and kind
of gets a bit defensive over it. So I think
that's all it is.
Speaker 1: And just might be right about that. Did the deer
look fed upon?
Speaker 2: No, not at all. Yeah, I wanted to talk a
bit about more about that. So it appeared like the
arms and legs, or I say arms and legs, they're
all four legs had been just pulled out of the sockets.
They didn't look like they were chewed in, you know,
nibbled off or nothing. It just looked that they were
yanked out, which most animals, most other animals couldn't really do.
I can't picture a deer. I can't picture a bear
doing that. I can't even picture a cougar doing that.
You'd almost need to have liked like hands like a
dogment or obviously a person wouldn't be strong enough to
do it. But I believe these dog men are strong
enough to pull the legs off of a deer.
Speaker 1: Well, they sure are. It's hard to imagine the strength
they have, they can definitely do that. Do you know
if that area is known for any sasquatch encounters happening.
Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to say because there's so many there's
so much folklore about sasquatch on Big Island, so there's
a mix between the legend and reality that I'm not
sure how much people even talk about it in the
you know, people there's mountains called Sasquatch Mountain and things
like that, but it's just not it's hard to say
where reality starts and where the legend starts. I guess
where legend ends and the reality starts. So I don't
know how much activity or settings has been have been
identified in that area, but it's definitely prime habitat.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I believe it all dead. It is. Well,
now that we're talking about sasquatch, let's talk about your
sasquatching counter. Now, please give us all the details about that.
Speaker 2: Sure, So that one was it was in a place
called Hinton, Alberta and Hinton is It's kind of a mountain,
mountainous area and very touristy, tons of beautiful rivers and stuff.
It's very very similar to Vancouver Island, kind of area
as opposed to like the prairie areas of alberta very lush,
green mountain side. So anyways, I was doing solo camping.
So I had a pickup truck with a canopy topper
on the back, and I had a bed set up
in the back of the truck, and I'd had a
campfire and drank some beers and stuff, and then I
was sleeping in the back of this truck. But I
didn't have any I didn't have any flashlight or anything
handy because I had no real I planned on sleeping
until the sun came up, and so I had no
need for having a flashlight beside me. I didn't think.
But what happened was at about two in the morning,
I was deep asleep and I was awoken by basically stomping.
Something was stomping so loud, so hard on the ground
that it was shaking the whole truck. So as I
was sleeping, I woke up to this thump, thump, and
it was kind of a bipedal thumping that was getting
closer and closer to my truck. And so, I mean,
I had heard of saskquatch, but I didn't necessarily not
believe in them, but I definitely they never seen one,
so I thought was maybe like I thought, a moose
stomping on the ground or a bear, but I didn't
really know why they would be stomping. And so anyways,
once whatever it was got close to the vehicle, it
was sniffing at the vehicle, and I did have some
food in the vehicle in the back of the truck
with me, and so long story short, eventually I could
hear the animal breathing or the creature breathing, and it's
lung inhalation and exhalations were took so long that I
figured the lungs have to be huge on whatever this
thing is. So anyways, it then carefully just walked away.
No more stomping, no more shaking. It just walked away.
I could barely I couldn't even really hear it leave,
but you couldn't hear the breathing anymore. So once as
soon as I I could hear that it wasn't or
I couldn't hear it breathing anymore, I jumped out of
my sleeping bag, jumped out to the back of the truck,
hopped into the cab of the truck, turned it on,
and turned the truck around one hundred and eighty degrees
to leave the area, And what happened was when I
turned the truck around in the headlights, I could see
the sasquatch going into the woods, but he was still
pretty clear to see, and he kind of looked back
at me like an old paddy, like an old patty
over the shoulder look, and then went off into the
into the bushes. So I was safe in my truck
and the sasquatch was gone into the woods. But it
was definitely pretty scary.
Speaker 1: Oh I bet it was. Can you describe that sasquatch
for us?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, So I went back the next day to
try to get a benchmark of the height based on
the trees and stuff, and I estimated it to be
somewhere around nine nine to eleven feet tall, So definitely
a big boy. And he would be kind of like
your cone head style sasasquatch, because I know there's a
few different variants. And he was not overly muscular, but
definitely very big and yeah, like long fur or not
enough sorry not fur hair, hands down close to the knees,
swinging its arms while he walked. Definitely huge, but not
jacked up like the way the dog man was.
Speaker 1: I'll bet that was the site you're never going to
forget and understandably so, do you think all that stopping
was just an attempt on the Sasquatch's part to get
you to leave? Or do you think it was done
for some other reason?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it was probably just to scare me off.
I think I can't think of any other reason why
you would do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably what it was done for. You're probably
right he said. You went back the next day to
look for evidence and just have a general look around.
Did you go alone or with someone?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I went alone, but I felt comfortable just because
I was in daylight and close to my truck, and
I wasn't too scared to go back to the area.
But it was very hard ground, so there was no
tracks or evidence, but I was able to kind of
park the truck where it had been located, and then
that way I could just kind of look off to
the same distance to kind of compare the heights of
the trees, just to get an idea of where I
thought that where it must have been for height wise,
and it probably was at least ten feet, but I
can't you know. Obviously I can't prove that, but I
would definitely say, you know, nine to eleven feet tall
and it was a male. I did when it kind
of turned, I could see some male parts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was definitely a big boy. Well it's
about time for us to get out of here, Sean,
But before we do, do you have any clothes and
comments you want to put out there for us?
Speaker 2: No, I just wanted to encourage people to keep going
up in the woods and documenting their stories and raising
awareness to this because there's still so many people that
have no idea that it's a real thing. They just
think it's a folklore. And just wanted to thank you
very much for your time and your efforts, and you're
doing an amazing job documenting and supporting the people who
do have traumatic experiences.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for the good words. I wouldn't have it
any other way, but have said that, thanks again so
much for coming on sharing the details of those experiences
with us. I really appreciate it, and I hope you
have a great night.