1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome into another episode of the Low Limit Cash 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,480 Games podcast, a podcast exclusively for the low limit players 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,880 where the big cash games and we also have quite 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,640 a few people that have joined the Patreon and send 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,800 me questions about low stakes online. Although that's not my specialty, 6 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:19,679 there's a lot of new ones to that that I 7 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:23,559 don't necessarily specialize in, but people tell me they learn 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,000 from it. Nevertheless, glad that you hear. This is what 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,320 I'm going to label a quote unquote emergency episode. It's 10 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:32,880 a bonus episode. Wasn't planned, didn't have it in the agenda, 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,960 didn't have it on the calendar. This episode is as 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,840 a result of not one, not two, but three things 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,039 that have happened over the past week, and I just 14 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:47,159 feel it needs to be addressed. So you know, I 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,280 love poker. I'm very, very passionate about poker. I'm not 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,600 a poker professional. I don't play poker for a living, 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,079 but I do play full time hours most years. Think 18 00:00:58,119 --> 00:01:01,280 I played sixteen or I forget now sixteen or seventeen 19 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:04,560 hundred hours of poker last year. I believe I played 20 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,680 pretty similar to the year before that, and pretty similar 21 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,879 to the year before that. Suffice to say, most years, 22 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,040 I play somewhere between one thousand and sixteen hundred hours 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,040 of poker. It's a lot of poker. You know. I 24 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:21,159 don't work. I don't have to work. Very fortunate in 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,680 that regard. I enjoy staying in hotels, I enjoyed being 26 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:28,920 in different towns, and I enjoy poker. I'm very, very 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,079 passionate about poker, and I'm passionate about all aspects of poker. 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,000 You may hear me from time to time talk about 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,400 my appreciation for how poker is a microcosm of life. 30 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:43,560 And I believe the world would be a better place 31 00:01:43,599 --> 00:01:47,439 if everybody with some frequency sat down at a table 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,719 with a bunch of random poker players. I just think 33 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:53,040 it brings out, for the most part, the best in 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,040 all of us, and it allows us to grow as humans. 35 00:01:56,879 --> 00:01:59,959 I don't really know many other pursuits where on any 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,519 given day you can sit around a table and have 37 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:19,400 conversations with people from Iran, Iraq, Russia, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, Moldova, Mexico, Brazil. 38 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,400 I mean, this happens frequently to me, like this isn't 39 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:27,039 a rare occurrence, and I can't think of any other 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,840 thing I've ever done in my life where that really 41 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,120 ever happened, but maybe on an occasion where it may 42 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,879 have happened and I was in a conversation with one 43 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:42,479 or two other nationalities, maybe it was once. But in poker, 44 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:45,680 it happens all the time. All the time, it happens, 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,840 and you have an appreciation for people. People or people 46 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,599 doesn't matter where they're from. People care about their family, 47 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,360 they care about their future. They generally care about right 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:05,159 and wrong and pursuit of happiness, and they generally aren't 49 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,560 out to harm you. You just learn that it doesn't 50 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,759 matter where somebody's from, they're not inherently evil. And if 51 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,520 you stay insulated from society and you just go to 52 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,879 your church where everybody's the same color as you, and 53 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,240 you hang out with your family where it's everybody you 54 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,120 know and they're the same color as you. And the 55 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:30,800 place you work is you know people from your community 56 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,879 and they're all the same color as you, and they 57 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,840 all speak the same language as you. And then you 58 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:39,159 get your news from your preferred news source, which reflects 59 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:41,360 the way the people that you hang out with all think. 60 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,039 You can be conned into believing that other people from 61 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,680 other places are inherently evil. You just can. You can 62 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,680 believe Russians are evil, you can believe Ukrainians are evil, 63 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:56,759 you can believe Iranians are evil. You can believe Iraqis 64 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,000 are evil. You know, you can believe people from Mexico 65 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,000 or evil, or you know, any adjective or descriptor you 66 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,000 want to throw in there, lazy or you know, colin artists, 67 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:12,439 or you know, you can just any kind of label 68 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:14,400 you want to slap on somebody. But when you rarely 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,240 hang out with people from all over the world, the 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,519 one thing you quickly discover is that people are all 71 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,839 the same. And so that has nothing really to do 72 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,720 about this episode of the podcast. I'm just talking about 73 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,879 why I'm so passionate about poker and why I think 74 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:29,920 even things other than strategy and poker are important. And 75 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:31,680 that's the things I'm going to talk about this week. 76 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,399 So this week I had three different things happened to 77 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:40,199 me in my poker universe, all similar in some regard, 78 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:44,959 and I want to run it by you because this 79 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,800 all falls back on another concept of life that I 80 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,040 learned from my father and I learned from other adults 81 00:04:52,079 --> 00:04:55,519 that I had the good fortune to be influenced by 82 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,279 in my youth and in my formative years, and that 83 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,519 is that your name and your reputation are the most 84 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,639 valuable thing you have. And I don't care what your 85 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,439 lot in life is. I don't care if you're a 86 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,720 sanitation worker. I don't care if you work on Wall Street. 87 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,319 I don't care if you work in car sales. You know, 88 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,800 I don't care if you're an entertainer. I don't care 89 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:27,000 if you're a convenience store clerk. You trade on your reputation, 90 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,639 the trade that you are in, whatever trade that is, 91 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,959 you're trading on your reputation. People are buying what you're 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,079 selling based on your reputation. And I don't mean that 93 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,160 necessarily in just a financial sense. I don't mean it 94 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:42,279 as in, you're a car salesman trying to sell a 95 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,360 car and people are buying you. Although that's true. People 96 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,079 are buying you in every aspect of a life, whether 97 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,079 they choose to hang out with you, whether they choose 98 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,040 to go to dinner with you, whether they choose to 99 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:56,120 become friends with you, whether they choose to vouch for 100 00:05:56,199 --> 00:05:59,319 you when somebody questions you. This is all based on 101 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,920 your reputation and your Reputation is the thing that will 102 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,240 precede you. It arrives before you. You show up somewhere, 103 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,920 someone there knows you, and they have talked to other 104 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,160 people there about you. Your reputation. Reputation will procede you. 105 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,519 It will also follow you when you leave that place. 106 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,800 The reputation that you have, the way you conducted yourself 107 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,439 when you leave, it will follow you, and it will 108 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,439 follow you every day until the day you leave this planet. 109 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:36,720 And even after you're gone, your reputation will still be 110 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,920 here vouching for you. When your name comes up in conversation, 111 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:44,800 your reputation will be attached to it. And there's nothing 112 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,000 that you can have or protect or cultivate that's more 113 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:56,079 important than your reputation. So I want to first say 114 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:57,839 that I'm going to talk about three different people. I'm 115 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,480 not gonna call them by name, I'm not gonna give 116 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,000 any details about them, but this podcast will involve three 117 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,839 different people, and I believe that all three of these 118 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,800 people are probably outstanding people. They're probably great people. They 119 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:15,519 probably care about their community, they probably care about their family. 120 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,639 They're probably not you know, I have never even considered, 121 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:22,680 you know, doing anybody wrong in any kind of a 122 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,160 physical way or anything like that. There's probably good people. 123 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,160 They saw you on the side of the road, they 124 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,959 would probably stop and help you. So I just want 125 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:33,600 to make that very very clear. But when you get 126 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:41,519 into the world of poker, things become black and white 127 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:45,079 areas become more shades of gray because you are trying 128 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,600 to do everything within your ability to take money from 129 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,040 other people at the table. That's what poker at its 130 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,800 core is in the way the game of poker functions. 131 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,920 As I mentioned that, that's the one I was so 132 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:57,079 clear to be in this at the beginning of this podcast, 133 00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:58,879 the llay out the other many great things I think 134 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:01,040 there are about poker, because there's a lot of other 135 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,120 great things about poker, but at its core, it's you know, 136 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,759 you know, eight or nine people sitting at a table 137 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,480 and they're attempting to win money off the other people 138 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:12,680 at the table. That's what you're trying to do, and 139 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,160 you do it in deceptive ways. Poker is one of 140 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:21,040 those things where it's okay to lie, it's okay to exaggerate, 141 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,399 it's okay to try to deceive people in certain ways 142 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:29,279 where we generally draw the line in poker is one 143 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:33,799 very bad angles When you try to angle shoot somebody, 144 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,120 This is doing something that's not necessarily ethical. It's not 145 00:08:38,279 --> 00:08:41,799 cheating per se, although it can cross the line into cheating. 146 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:44,840 Angle shooting isn't always cheating. Sometimes you can angle shoot 147 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:50,919 within the rules so that it's technically okay, but it's 148 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,399 just ethically bad. And I'm not going to necessarily go 149 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,279 into a list of what those things are. But then 150 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,759 secondarily that is just cheating. You can just cheat people. 151 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,200 So before I'm going to talk about three instances that 152 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,360 happened before, before I talk about the first one, I'm 153 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,000 going to ask you a question, and I want you 154 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:12,200 to answer me honestly. If you were at a if 155 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,279 you were at a poker table with you know, say, 156 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:17,840 say it's nine handed table for whatever reason, it's nine 157 00:09:17,879 --> 00:09:20,080 handed table, So there's eight other people at the table 158 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:29,279 with you, and one of those people had a a device. Uh. 159 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,720 It could be any kind of device, could be electronic, 160 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,080 it could be having a mirror set up a certain way. 161 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,360 It could be you know, having their phone positioned a 162 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:43,440 certain way. Whatever they had some way where they were 163 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:50,919 surreptitiously able to see the whole cards of the person 164 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:55,519 sitting to their right. So would that be digitally, electronically, 165 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,080 old school mirrors or you know whatever. They they have 166 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:05,639 some way of seeing their opponent's whole cards, and now 167 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,399 they're able to use that information in various ways. So one, 168 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,480 when they're playing that player specifically, they can play that 169 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,240 player perfectly. When them and that player are in a 170 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:19,519 hand together, they can play against that player perfectly because 171 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:22,879 they know what that player has. But not just that, 172 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,519 when they're playing anybody else in the hand. You can 173 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,720 also play better because you now know what four of 174 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:30,799 the cards out of the deck are, rather than your 175 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,159 opponent only knowing what two of the cards are, which 176 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,120 is the two he has in his hand. Obviously he 177 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:38,120 knows the community cards on the flop, whether that be 178 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,799 the flop turning river, you know, he either knows three, four, 179 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:42,840 or five of the cards, but you both know those. 180 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,240 But other than that, your opponent only knows the two 181 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,480 cards in his hand. You, on the other hand, know 182 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,240 the two cards in your hand, and you know the 183 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:58,600 two cards of the person that you surreptitiously discovered, and 184 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,000 so you know, how could this help you? How could 185 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:05,720 this help you? So? Okay, well, let's say that you 186 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,039 were playing in a hand, and you know, it gets 187 00:11:10,039 --> 00:11:14,360 to the river and you hit a you know, you 188 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,399 hit a like a Queen high flush or something, and 189 00:11:19,799 --> 00:11:23,159 you bet, and now your opponent shoves all in on you, 190 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,120 and you're like, oh crap, I mean, this isn't the 191 00:11:27,159 --> 00:11:29,200 best opponent in the world. But would he really be 192 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:33,360 shoving a worse flush than a Queen high flush? You know, 193 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,000 I lose to a King high flush and I lose 194 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,080 to an Ace high flush. Would he really be shoving 195 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:43,360 like a JACKI flush? Here. Now assume that you had 196 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:47,519 surreptitiously learned through your mirror or your phone or your 197 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,360 device or whatever way you were secretly getting information from 198 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:55,120 the person next to you. You were able to steal 199 00:11:55,159 --> 00:11:57,960 information about their whole cards. Let's suppose that you knew 200 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,440 that that person had had folded the ace of hearts right, 201 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,799 and it's a heart flush on board, and you have 202 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,919 a Queen high heartflush, and you've bet, and now your 203 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:10,240 opponent is shoved in on you, and they canna have 204 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:12,440 a King high flush which beats you, or an aside 205 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,919 flush that beats you. But you're like, well, I mean 206 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:17,360 they're not the best player, like they might, you know, 207 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,080 maybe they would shove worse flushes sometimes, but man, I 208 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,960 lose to King high aside flushes. But now you know 209 00:12:25,039 --> 00:12:27,519 something they don't know. You know that the person to 210 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:30,879 your right folded the ace of heart, so it's impossible 211 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,080 for your opponent to have an ace high flush. So 212 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,559 now the only flush that they shove with it beats 213 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,519 you is a King high flush. And so now you're like, well, 214 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,759 I think sometimes they probably would shove a Jack high 215 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:45,360 flush or a's in high flush. And so now that 216 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,759 makes your decision easier to call because you know, out 217 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:50,720 of the three flushes you think they would shove, or 218 00:12:51,159 --> 00:12:53,080 or out of the four flushes you think they would shove, 219 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,159 one of them is impossible. You only lose to one 220 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,159 of them, and you beat two other ones. So now 221 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,440 you call because mathematically you should just call. And in 222 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:04,120 even more extreme scenarios, you have the King high flesh 223 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:07,559 right and you and you and you bet, and now 224 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,960 they shove all in on you. But you just know 225 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:12,440 you have the nut flush even though it's a King 226 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,919 high blush. You know it's the nut flush because you 227 00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:22,519 know because you surreptitiously gained the knowledge of the whole 228 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,960 guards of the person next to you, So you're not 229 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,159 cheating or or acting out of line with the person 230 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,759 who who's sitting next to you. You were used, but 231 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,120 you were you know, because you were next to them. 232 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,679 They like you used your phone or whatever method you 233 00:13:36,799 --> 00:13:38,799 use to gain information about their hand. You now know 234 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:41,360 that the other person doesn't have the ace high flush either, 235 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:43,200 and you just have an easy call and you call 236 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,879 them all in and you win, and they were bluffing. 237 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,360 So I think we would all agree that that's just cheating. 238 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:52,879 You're just flat out cheating everybody at the table. You 239 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:56,759 are just one hundred percent flat out cheating everybody else 240 00:13:56,799 --> 00:13:59,159 at the table. I would hope that you would agree 241 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,480 with that. If you were using some kind of device 242 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,720 or a mirror or some you know, some kind of 243 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:08,360 weird method that you came up with to steal the 244 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,919 information about your opponent's whole cars next to you, it's 245 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,200 just flat out cheating, and you're cheating. You're not just 246 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:17,559 cheating them. You can use the information you have about 247 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,919 their whole cars to cheat everybody else at the table. 248 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,639 Sometimes not all the time, not every hand, but in 249 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,039 some hands you can use that information to cheat them. 250 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,320 I hope we would all agree that that's cheating. Now, 251 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:32,720 I'm just gonna take it one step further. So, now 252 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:37,279 you're sitting next to a person who just exposes their hands. 253 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,120 They're not good at hiding their hands, and you just 254 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:43,440 you can't, you can't help it. You've just seen their 255 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,679 hands like they just you know, the way they pull 256 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,559 their hands up, they pull the card up off the table, 257 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,919 look their hands and put it back down, and you 258 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,279 just see their hand like you didn't. You didn't come 259 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,600 with a device, you didn't use your phone, you didn't 260 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:58,039 use mirrors, you didn't use some kind of fancy contraption. 261 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:05,799 It's just them being loose with their cards. If you 262 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,440 allow them to keep doing that and use that information, 263 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,399 is that cheating? Is it now no longer cheating because 264 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,799 of the way you're getting the information, because you're not 265 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,679 surreptitiously getting the information. You're getting the information because the 266 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:20,759 person next to you is very careless with their cards. 267 00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:24,000 Does that mean you're now not cheating like you were 268 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,639 cheating before. You were cheating the player against because you 269 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:30,039 had knowledge that they didn't know you had, So you 270 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:32,879 were cheating them. You gained the information about your opponent's 271 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:35,799 whole cards in a surreptitious way. And now you're in 272 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:37,720 your hand with somebody that not the person searts your cards. 273 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:39,720 You're in your hand with somebody completely different, but you 274 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:42,480 know something, you know a card that's missing, and use 275 00:15:42,519 --> 00:15:46,200 that information to cheat them. That's cheating. But now this 276 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,440 time you didn't steal the cards. You didn't. You didn't 277 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,720 surreptitiously get it. The person next to you was just 278 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:53,039 clumsy with their cards, and you know their whole cards. 279 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,679 And you get in that same spot you have the 280 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,000 king high flush they shove on you. You know they 281 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,039 don't have the aside flush because you saw your very 282 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:07,080 careless neighbor flash the ace of hearts? Is this? Is 283 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,399 it no longer cheating? Now? Is it no longer cheating 284 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:16,320 because the person next to you is careless? It's one 285 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,759 hundred cheating. I would hope that you would agree with 286 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:23,320 me that you're still cheating the other players at the table. 287 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:29,879 This is just flat out, undeniably cheating. Now let's go 288 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,000 step further. Let's say that you that you warn the 289 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,600 neighbor next to you, go, hey, man, you're flashing your cards. 290 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:38,080 You'd be more careful. I can see your cards and 291 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:41,480 to three hands later, he flashes you again, and you're like, okay, 292 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,480 look man, this I'm telling you for the second time. 293 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,159 I'm not trying to see your cards, but you're just 294 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,120 flashing them. You know, please protect your cards better. And 295 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,279 you know, three hands later, he's still flashing your cards 296 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:54,840 and you're like, Okay, I'm just not gonna keep telling 297 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:57,200 this dude all day to stop flashing me his cards, 298 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:02,159 but I'm going to use that information. You know, if 299 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:04,000 I get in hand with him, you know that's on him. 300 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:06,920 Now I've done my part. I've done my part. I've 301 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,920 told him I'm seeing his cars. He keeps flashing them. 302 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,480 It's off me. I've done my part. So now five 303 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:14,960 hands later, you see that he flashes the ace of hearts. 304 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,519 You get in the end with the other guy, you 305 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:19,640 have the King I hearts. You bet he shoves on you. 306 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,359 You confidently call because you know he can't have these hearts. 307 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,519 Were you cheating there? Of course you were still cheating 308 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:29,119 there because you know something that he doesn't know. You know, 309 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,839 you were using information that you should not have access to. 310 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,319 And you, while you did do the value the thing, 311 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,799 you did do the honorable thing. You really tried to 312 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:42,519 get your neighbor to not flash his cars. It doesn't matter. 313 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:47,079 You're still without anybody else's knowledge at the table. You're 314 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,319 not telling anybody else at the table that you saw 315 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,240 him flash the Ace of hearts. You're not sharing that 316 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:53,720 with anybody. You're keeping that in your own little head. 317 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,680 And then the spot comes up this hand and you 318 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:58,920 use it, and you went a big pot because of it. 319 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,759 You cheated. Now let's take it a step further. You 320 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:06,839 know you warned the guy, and now you wear sunglasses 321 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,839 so nobody can see you looking over there because you 322 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,880 know he's going to keep flashing his cards and you're 323 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,200 wearing sunglasses, and you're like, well, I warned him, I 324 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,279 did my part. I was an honorable person. But if 325 00:18:16,279 --> 00:18:17,880 he's going to keep flashing on the I'm gonna put my 326 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,920 sunglasses on. And I was just gonna keep looking at 327 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,480 his hand because he's showing it. I've done my part. 328 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,680 It's not on me. One hundred percent. You're still cheating. 329 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,839 You're cheating everybody else at the table. That is one 330 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:35,680 hundred percent cheating. You're just cheating. The only way you're 331 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,480 not cheating now is for every time he flashes your 332 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,200 cars to say, table, I saw this guy's cards again. 333 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,680 He showed me the Ace of Hearts. You just you 334 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:48,920 have to tell everybody else at the table what you saw. 335 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:52,000 You just have to. That's the only way to maintain 336 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:56,839 the integrity of the game. You just must do that. 337 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,480 As an ethical person, you must tell the rest of 338 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:03,279 the table. My opponent next to me flashed the Ace 339 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:06,960 of Hearts and I saw it. That's the only way 340 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:13,799 that it's not cheating. It's just cheating. Anything else is cheating. Now. 341 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,640 I mentioned that because that's literally something that come up 342 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,559 in my pocus in my Poker universe this week. That 343 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,039 exact discussion in conversation came up in my poker universe 344 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:33,960 this week. And the person again who I'm not saying 345 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,240 anything about, not calling them out, not call them names, 346 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:39,039 not trying to get a posse out out after them. 347 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:41,680 I'm just using this thing that happened as the means 348 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,079 to talk about this. But they defended it to the death. 349 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,839 They defended it, gave all these analogies about how poker's 350 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,039 like a battlefield and where it wore and you, I mean, no, 351 00:19:54,839 --> 00:19:58,400 it's not a battlefield. We're literally not at war. You're 352 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,680 playing a social game where the integrity of the game 353 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:06,599 is paramount, and you have now because of your actions, 354 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,640 you have now compromised the integrity of the game. So 355 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,559 it's it's just cheating, plain and simple. So look, not 356 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,359 only should you tell the person they're showing their cars 357 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,960 and look, I give him a couple of chances, but 358 00:20:20,039 --> 00:20:22,079 after that, I just tell the table. I'm like, look, 359 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,440 he just keeps flashing his cards. He had the as 360 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,559 of hearts in his hand. I'm just I'm not gonna 361 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,599 be the only person that knows that that's unethical and 362 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,839 it's cheating. So we had we were. I was actually 363 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:35,519 playing poker this morning. This is so crazy that all 364 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:38,039 this stuff tied together one week. So I'm playing poker 365 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,319 this morning. Now this incident I'm talking about this other 366 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,319 thing happened I don't know, like three four days ago. 367 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,920 I'm playing poker this morning, and this lady, very nice lady, 368 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:50,160 very polite lady. She had no ill intent in the world. 369 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:52,319 She's just here to have some fun, laughed a lot, 370 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,559 very pleasant, glad to have her at the table. Could 371 00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:57,599 not cover her cards for nothing. She would just pick 372 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,359 them up and just hold them way up high and 373 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,920 she's sitting in like seat four, So everybody on that 374 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,359 side of the table sees her cards. I'm in seed eight, 375 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,079 I'm on the opposite of the table. I don't get 376 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:10,079 to see her cards. Well, you know, to their credit. 377 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,039 People on the other side of the table kept saying, hey, 378 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:13,960 I can see her cards. I see and you know, 379 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:16,559 the floor or the dealers like, hey, you got to 380 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:18,680 put your cards out. Everybody's trying to teach this woman 381 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,799 how to look at her cards, and she's obliviously she 382 00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:22,920 can't do it. Like I've never seen somebody not be 383 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,480 able to look at cards, but she just couldn't do it. 384 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:27,720 Every hand, it was every single hand. Well, this one 385 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,160 gentleman at the table who was two seats over from her, 386 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:33,200 you know, not only did he kept saying, I can 387 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,920 see your cards and warrying her about it if he 388 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,039 saw her cards. Now he started just saying what the 389 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:40,960 cards were, as he should have. Eventually we call the 390 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,319 floor and we're like, look, we you know this lady's 391 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:45,720 obviously knew we don't want her to leave the game. 392 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:48,400 We wanted to have a good time. Obviously, you should 393 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,759 always be welcoming in the poker world to do players, 394 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,920 you should go out to way to help them. But 395 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:56,200 this lady wasn't new. She knew hand ranking, she knew 396 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,559 how to bet, she knew how to play poker, she 397 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,880 just didn't know how to hold her cards. Or well, 398 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,480 that's not even true. On two or three hands, she 399 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,000 actually looked at them correctly, so I know that she 400 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,960 was capable of doing it. So out of the I 401 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,200 don't know, out of the thirty thirty or thirty five hands, 402 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,079 we saw her play three of them she held them perfectly. 403 00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:17,680 The rest of them she just didn't care, and she 404 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,839 would just laugh and giggle like I don't know why whatever. 405 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,240 But eventually it came down to the floor, came over 406 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,799 and said, look, if you can't conceal your cards, you 407 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:30,000 are affecting the integrity of the game. We're gonna have 408 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,519 to I'm gonna have to invite you to leave. You 409 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:35,240 can go play any of the casino type games because 410 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:37,160 it doesn't matter if people see your cards over there, 411 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,440 but you just so, I mean, eventually she had to 412 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:42,079 leave the table. Same thing. So it's kind of weird, 413 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,359 Like the exact scenario that I had come up earlier 414 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,160 in the week, which caused a lot of drama, you know, 415 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,160 too much. Further than that, actually came up real life 416 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,000 with me this morning Blamberger, which was I was sitting 417 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:58,279 there thinking, how bizarre is this? No one other thing happened, 418 00:22:58,319 --> 00:22:59,759 And this other thing I'm going to tell you was 419 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:02,440 an angle. It was an angle. I'm not gonna say 420 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,960 it was cheating. It doesn't rise to the level of cheating, 421 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,079 but to me, it's an angle. So we were playing poker, 422 00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:11,519 and again I'm not calling any names, and I'm looking 423 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:15,160 to call anybody out, and I'm not looking to deride anybody, 424 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,920 like we all do things, we've all done things, whatever. 425 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:21,640 But we were at one of the friendliest tables ever 426 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,400 and we'd been playing together for hours. This table was 427 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,240 a laughing We're just having the most fun. We're goofing 428 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:31,720 around like it's literally, seriously one of the most fun 429 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:35,119 times I've ever had playing poker. I just everybody there 430 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,519 was a joy to be with, just a great just 431 00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:44,160 a great night of poker. It was amazing. So at 432 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,319 one point one of the people there who I know 433 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,400 very well play with. This person often is sitting to 434 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,440 my right, And of course when I'm in a poker game, 435 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:54,920 I like to look to my left a lot to 436 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,200 see if I can pick up what people on my 437 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,759 left are going to do, so that you know, sometimes 438 00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:00,559 I see if somebody's looking to that they're going to 439 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,799 raise or something like a hand I might open with 440 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:04,359 like a nine eight suit or something. I'll just fold 441 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,319 it because I can see to my left. Now, this 442 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,799 isn't angling or cheating. This is just paying attention to 443 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:10,880 the game. You should be watching everybody around you. And 444 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,440 sometimes as you see to the person your left is 445 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,279 getting ready to raise, and you were thinking about opening 446 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:16,119 up a small suit protection, you can just fold it 447 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,759 because you know now they're going to three baby. But 448 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,440 you also should look to the right. So I just 449 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,279 happened to be looking to the right as the action's 450 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:25,000 coming around and the player to my right lifts up 451 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,880 the front of his cards, puts them down. Then he's 452 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,960 next to act and he announces all right. I don't 453 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,680 know exact words, but it was something to the effective 454 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,640 to heck with it or whatever, or I'm just going 455 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,720 to go in all in dark or all in blind. 456 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,920 I only said darker blind. Well, I clearly said because 457 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,119 I'm paying attention. I clearly saw that this person looked 458 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,400 at their cards, and I'm like, so, and I'm next 459 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,160 to act and I'm like, are you sure you didn't 460 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,119 look at your cards? Oh? Good, look at my cards. 461 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,559 I said, okay, I'll give you a chance to answer 462 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:02,079 it again. I was watching you. I literally saw you 463 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,119 look at your cards. No, didn't look at my cards. 464 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,559 I was like, okay, one more opportunity. I wanna give 465 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,400 you a chance to come clean. I was looking directly 466 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:15,240 over there when the act before the action was on you, 467 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:19,960 and saw you look at your cards. Refuse. To me, 468 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:22,039 it looks card well. I look down at pocket tens. 469 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:24,279 I don't think my pocket tins are ever good here. 470 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:30,079 But sometimes you have a feeling that the poker gods 471 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,640 will be on your side. Sometimes the poker gods help 472 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,799 you dispense justice. And this person's all in for like 473 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:37,880 two hundred or something like I think I had like 474 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,720 an eight hundred thousand dollars stack, like I'd been doing 475 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:42,680 very well in the game. You know, I'm up eight 476 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,359 hundred dollars six hundred seven, eight hundred dollars or something. 477 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:50,240 He's all in quote unquote blind for two hundred. I 478 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:54,599 have pocket tens. I know I'm behind hundred, said I'm behind, 479 00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:57,480 but I'm like, you know what, poker God's about to 480 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,079 teach you a lesson. I call everybody else full. We 481 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,519 flop a ten right straight away on the floor like 482 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,559 the poker gods just came down and said, yeah, we're 483 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,799 not tolerating this. This is unethical, man, This angling is 484 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,200 bad angling. And bank bank bank stacked him, and you 485 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,359 know he felt bad about it, uh, because he had 486 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,559 to table his hand. I mean he didn't have to. 487 00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:22,119 I mean he could have, but he had to before 488 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,599 me because I called his all in and he was also, 489 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:28,599 you know, in rotation before me, so he has to 490 00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:30,319 show his hand first. I didn't show. I want to 491 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,200 see his hand. I want the whole table to see 492 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,640 his hand. I'm trying to make a point here. Now. 493 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,279 He could have just mucked them. He just shoved them. 494 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:40,880 He could have just shoved them in the muck. But 495 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,000 he didn't. He showed him and it was pocket kinks. 496 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,680 And I gave him a little speech. I gave him 497 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,880 a little speech. I said, man, your reputation isn't worth 498 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,759 two hundred dollars. It just isn't like this is. You've 499 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,240 been here, this has been one of the friendliest, funnest 500 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,000 tables ever. Nobody here trying to angle anybody or take 501 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,400 We're just playing the game straight up. We're laughing, we're joking. 502 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,759 You went a pot. I don't care, a pot, I 503 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:08,200 don't care. It's fine. We're here having fun like we're 504 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,880 all doing the best we can. But nobody's out here 505 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,519 trying to head hunt. Man, nobody's actually trying to angle people. 506 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:18,559 And I said, your reputation, not only at this poker room, 507 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,880 but your reputation in life, is way more important than 508 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,079 two hundred dollars. Man, it's for three weeks from now, 509 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,039 you won't even remember this two hundred dollars. But three 510 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:29,799 weeks from now, I can promise you everybody at this 511 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,160 table remember what just happened. They will all remember it. 512 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,880 They will remember it six months from now, two years 513 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,119 from now, you'll be the guy that angled by saying 514 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,079 you were all in blind like this is going to 515 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,759 follow you for a long time. Well, he left that 516 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,000 it was two days ago, and happened to see him 517 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,240 again today. He came over. He shook my hand, he apologized. 518 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,680 I was like, dude, pology accepted. Apology accepted for sure, 519 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,880 because it's not like you were cheating, but you're just 520 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,119 angling hard, and it's like, there's really no need for that, man, 521 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,839 there's really no need for that. Like there's ways that 522 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,079 you there's a lot of ways that you try to 523 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,680 take advantage of other people at the table. You pay attention, 524 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,519 you try to memorize what hands are opening with. These 525 00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:16,519 are all brain skills, these are all these are why 526 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:19,599 we love the game. It's an intellectual pursuit. It's a 527 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:25,200 psychological pursuit. But when you step from the psychological to 528 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,559 the paying attention to the database of information you're keeping 529 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,720 all these things. We're keeping track of mannerisms, tales, speech, 530 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,160 all this stuff. You know, all that's firmly within well 531 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,839 accepted parameters of WHATSA. When you cross from that into 532 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,880 an angle, you place yourself in another category of that's 533 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,359 just it's not good. It's just not good. It's not good. 534 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,279 I've been accused of angling a couple of times. Matter 535 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,000 of fact, I got accused of angling this past Saturday night. 536 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,200 But it's somebody I know very very well. We were 537 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,000 laughing and yucking it up, and I don't for a 538 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:06,960 second believe that he thought I was actually angling. We 539 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,920 were just having fun. We're just joking around and blah 540 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,440 blah blah blah blah. And he's like, oh, you're angling, man, 541 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,359 you're angling, But you know, we were joking around. But 542 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,440 anytime I seriously believe somebody thinks I'm angling, I will 543 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,200 do anything in my power to correct it because I 544 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,559 don't do it. And I've actually made mistakes at the 545 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:25,119 table once or twice where people thought I was angling, 546 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,480 and I'll tell you one of them and then one 547 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:29,440 hundred percent was not an angle. But I saw how 548 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,039 it could have been an angle, and I apologized profusely, 549 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:35,279 and I offered to do anything I could do to 550 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,400 alleviate fear, like you know, what, what do y'all want 551 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,720 me to do to you know, I'll do anything because 552 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:42,680 I don't angle. I ain't here to angle, man. My 553 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,720 reputation is more important than that. But so I was 554 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,160 in a hand with a very very tough poker player, 555 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,359 one of the toughest poker players I ever played with. 556 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,759 And it was a two five game. It's a big 557 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:55,279 two five game. He's in seat one, I'm in seat two, 558 00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:58,400 and we get in this hand where now on the turn, 559 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,680 and it was either the turnar it was the turn 560 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,400 he now shoves. I think he checked. I bet and 561 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,160 he shoved on me. And I had a very good hand, 562 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,000 but the hand he's representing I just probably don't beat. Now, 563 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,119 you know, there's a couple of bluffs. So so I 564 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,759 go into a long tank, like I really need to 565 00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:15,599 count a lot of combos. This is a spot where 566 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,519 I need to do I need to do my due 567 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,920 diligence right because it's a big you know, it's big 568 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,319 for me. If you play ten to twenty, then you 569 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,440 probably don't think my little two five game was big. 570 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,680 But it's big for me. You know, I don't know. 571 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,559 It's like a two thousand and three thousand dollars pot, 572 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:34,000 and so I tank. So and everybody at table's really 573 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,680 cool about it. They're all like, no, no, this is 574 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,799 a huge pot. You should take your time, man. And 575 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,160 I'm like, I appreciate it. And that's generally the way 576 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,039 we are. You know, you don't want people tanking all 577 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:43,720 the time, but when it's when one of the bigger 578 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:47,000 pots of the night and it's a tough spot, the 579 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,960 table is generally cool with you tank, and so everybody's 580 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,119 really nice about it. Well, you know, I had some 581 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:53,960 you know, a few one dollar chips in front of me. 582 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,039 And so after I've tanked for like a minute, minute 583 00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:58,920 and a half or something, I just keep apologizing. And 584 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:03,039 I always try to be mindful of the dealers. Every 585 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,799 time you tank for a minute and a half, you 586 00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,759 have now cost the dealer another hand they could have 587 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,920 dealt because you could have acted, They could have had 588 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,640 new cards in the air, and now they could be 589 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,400 earning another dollar. And so I said, almost simultaneously, I 590 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,640 picked up a dollar chip and I threw it like 591 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,599 slightly before I said it, like I didn't time it well. 592 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,519 I wasn't trying to angle or anything, but I wanted 593 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:29,319 to throw. My intention was to throw a dollar chip 594 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:33,240 to the dealer to compensate him for, you know, me 595 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,200 costing him a hand. So I'm costing him a dollar 596 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,119 or two dollar tip. And so I go to throw 597 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,759 the chip at him, and I throw it and then 598 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,799 I and then you know it, apparently it leaves my 599 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,079 hand and maybe even plops on the table or whatever 600 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,359 in front of him or whatever. As I then say, hey, 601 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,799 this is for you man, because I'm apologize, I'm costing 602 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,079 you a tip. Well, a couple of people were like, 603 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,720 whoaoa dude, what are you trying to do? That looked 604 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,599 like you were tossing in a call. And I'm like, no, 605 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,079 We'll wait a second, one hundred percent no, because you 606 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,039 know you can do the flick of chip in call thing. 607 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:12,839 And I'm like, no, dear God, no, no, for Heaven's sake, no, 608 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,759 it's not an angle. As you know, I just felt 609 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:18,440 I feel bad for the dealer. Like we've had times 610 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,279 where I'll give you another example. We had a time 611 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,680 where New Year's Eve, our room did this buffet and 612 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,799 so at like midnight or whatever time, I don't know 613 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,519 what time the buffet was, but they announced buffet open, 614 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,400 and so everybody leaves their table to go get in 615 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,200 line to grab buffets like cattle. And so we're just 616 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,200 sitting here and the dealers at most of the tables 617 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,400 are sitting there with the games, just sitting because people 618 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,759 have gotten up and gotten in the line to go 619 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,319 get this buffet. Well, I waited because I'm not going 620 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,319 and I'm sitting there, and I feel bad for the dealer. 621 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,720 So I tipped the dealer. I tipped the dealer a 622 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,440 few bucks to make up for the hands that she 623 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,359 was missing while we're all sitting there, like, I try 624 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960 to be mindful of dealers. You can't play poker without dealers, guys. 625 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,240 So I mean, uh so, here's the thing that So 626 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,519 the guy was in the hand when he's a consummate professional, 627 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,000 like he's been playing poker for years and years and years. 628 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,240 He knows to not expose his hand. He's not even 629 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,039 if I were trying to angle him, he ain't falling 630 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:10,960 for it. But I wasn't trying to angle them. But 631 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,480 it looked like an angle, or a couple of people 632 00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,880 at the table perceived it as an angle. I was 633 00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:19,519 so terrified that I would gain a reputation for angling that. 634 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:21,720 Like I was like, I just I don't know what 635 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,279 I need to do or say. But guys, y'all all 636 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,799 know me. Like the people that chipped up and said it, 637 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:28,720 like they weren't people that I played with a lot 638 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,319 of people that I played with a lot, and they 639 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,039 just know that I don't No amount of money is 640 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:33,799 worth that to me. I'm just not going to do it. 641 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,559 I just I'm just not like, I'm not going to 642 00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,599 angle you to get money. Those two guys piped down. 643 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,680 I think some other people at the table vouched for me, 644 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,680 you know, and they're like, ah, it's just awkward timing, 645 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:47,160 and and so it was fine, but I go out 646 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,400 of my way. I will go out of my way 647 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,319 to avoid even the slightest perception that there's some impropriety 648 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:56,880 going on, because it's not worth my reputation. When when 649 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,839 I show up in a poker room, I want everybody 650 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,119 that's there that's ever played with me to go. I mean, 651 00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,039 that's a stand up guy. There's a stand up guy. 652 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:06,400 I'll only end on one other note. And I've talked 653 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,079 about this. I talked about this an episode of Pot, 654 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,639 so you may have heard it. But I got into 655 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,360 the spot where, in my opinion, it was a bad 656 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,639 floor ruling, but nevertheless, the floor ruled that me and 657 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,559 another person in the hand would would split a pot. 658 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,480 I'm not going to get into what happened or why 659 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,920 it happened. That it's kind of irrelevant now. The dealer 660 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,519 messed up. The dealer messed up and caused originally the 661 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:33,880 pot to be pushed to the other guy. Because the 662 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:39,239 actions of the dealer caused me to inadvertently muck my hand, 663 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,199 I'm not going to get into all how that happened. 664 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,039 But nevertheless, even though the dealer influenced it and caused 665 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:49,440 me to prematurely muck my hand, steal my responsibility, doesn't 666 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,079 matter that the dealer screwed up, doesn't matter that the 667 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:57,360 dealer was pushing chips to me. You know, none of 668 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,519 this matters. I mean, I know this is and weirdy, 669 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,039 but the dealers literally pushing chips to me. As the 670 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,360 chips are coming towards me, I moved my cars around 671 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,760 and muck them. And then the other person announces that 672 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,719 they actually called and their cards are face up now 673 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,039 and mine are in a mug. And I mean it 674 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,360 was horrible. I mean, they didn't call, and none of 675 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,960 that matters. It was a misunderstanding. It was a misunderstanding. 676 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:26,400 But the floor made a wrong ruling. The floor ruled 677 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,679 that we should chop the pot. That's the floor said, 678 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,239 the fairest thing we can do is chop the pot. Well, 679 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,199 that was the wrong ruling. It was a nice ruling. 680 00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,000 They were being polite because they knew I mucked the 681 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,000 best hand. But they were being polite and so they 682 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:40,360 were trying to make it right. But it was the 683 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,239 wrong ruling. The ruling should have one hundred percent ben 684 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,320 that I mucked my hand. Therefore I am not entitled 685 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,440 to the pot. His hand showed. So in the moment 686 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:54,039 I took half the pot, I took it because I 687 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,199 was so furious. I was just I was, I was. 688 00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,159 I've only been furious at the poker room maybe twice 689 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,280 in my life, three times, maybe in my entire life. 690 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:06,920 That was one of the times I was livid. I 691 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,840 I took the half of the pot. Whatever, we made 692 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,719 it through that session, whatever. The next day, so overnight, 693 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,599 you know, I'm thinking about that as I'm laying in bed, 694 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:18,960 I'm thinking about the hand. I'm like, you know what, 695 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,679 even though I was wronged, he didn't wrong me, and 696 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:28,519 the ruling was wrong. I mucked my hand. The rules 697 00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:30,119 are you monkey hand, you lose. It doesn't matter how 698 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:33,760 it happened, doesn't matter that dealer Ica is just I 699 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,400 mucked my hand, and it's my responsibility to protect my 700 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,199 hand at all time. So the next day, I'm in 701 00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:41,159 the poker room and this gentleman that we were in 702 00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:47,639 the hand with he walks in, and so I go 703 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,280 to the cage and I buy the exact amount of 704 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,440 chips that was half the pot to the best of 705 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,119 my recollections is what my memory was. And I go 706 00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:57,719 over to him at the table and I set the 707 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,840 racket tacks chips down, Sime, and I said, this year, 708 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:01,559 this is the half of the pot they gave me. 709 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,840 You're you're, you were entitled to that pot. I mucked. 710 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:06,480 I had the one in hand, I said, I want 711 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,480 you to know I had the one in hand one 712 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:10,400 hundred percent. I had the winning hand had I had 713 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,119 the nuts. I flopped the nuts. And there was another 714 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:15,760 guy betting, and you were calling, and I was just 715 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,239 calling because I knew we were going to get it 716 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,320 all in by the river. I said, I had the 717 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,280 stone cold nuts, but all that's irrelevant. My hand was mucked. 718 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,960 And I said, by are the rules. You're entitled to 719 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,480 that pot, and I don't. I don't want to get 720 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,280 something I'm not entitled to, even though I had the 721 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,440 best end. And I said, you tabled your hand. You 722 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,199 did it right, You tabled your hand. There was misunderstanding, 723 00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,719 but your your your hand was on the table face up. 724 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,480 Mine was in the muck. And I sat the chips 725 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,840 down beside him and I said, here, I want you 726 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,480 to have one. I said, there's no hard feelings, none 727 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,280 of that had anything to do with you. And I 728 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,599 just want this to be good man, and I just 729 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,199 want you to know that I would never angle you 730 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,119 or I would never take money. I'm not entitled to 731 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,760 just I'm like, I feel horrible about it. And he 732 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,119 was kind of taking aback and say oh no, no, no, 733 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,360 I'm like, no, take it seriously, and I should his hand. 734 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,480 I walked the way. Well like twenty minutes later, he 735 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:04,519 comes back to my table and he goes, here's He says, 736 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,079 here's your chips. I tell you what I'm gonna do. 737 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,599 I'm gonna cheap. I'm going to keep a green twenty 738 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,920 five dollars chip out of here for conversation whixcept you know, 739 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,920 the pot was like a six hundred dollars pot or something. 740 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,719 He's like, yeah, I'm just gonna keep a green chip. 741 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,360 He said, I'll keep a green chip. That way you 742 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,880 can feel like you gave me something back and you 743 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,039 just keep the chips because he said that it was 744 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,159 need one. And I mean, it's just been super friendly, 745 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,039 and you know he's he's of the utmost character, and 746 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,840 I've tried to be of the utmost character. This turned 747 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,159 into a long pot about character and integrity of the 748 00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,159 game and stuff. But guys, brother, this is your first 749 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,719 day showing up to play poker, or it's your tenth 750 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,199 year or your twenty fifth year of showing up and 751 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:52,440 playing poker. Nothing is more important than two things, your 752 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,199 reputation and the integrity of the game. And you should 753 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,880 do everything in your power to maintain both of those 754 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,679 to the highest possible standard. Maintain your reputation in the 755 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:12,800 poker world to the highest possible standard, and do your 756 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920 best to help police the game. As a player sitting 757 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,239 at the table with eight other players, every player there 758 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,280 should be doing their best to police that game. I 759 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,320 know the dealer's supposed to police it, and they do 760 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,119 their best, but it's a game of a lot of 761 00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:29,039 moving parts, and it's all upon us to help police 762 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:35,559 that game, to uphold it to the highest possible levels 763 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,239 and standards. The integrity game should be the top most, 764 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,960 utmost priority. 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I'll 787 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,119 tell you one thing I won't tolerate. If you come 788 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:48,840 in to my Patreon and you sign up on my 789 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,280 discord and you start talking about how you cheat people 790 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:55,039 and you're proud of it. I will refunde you your money, 791 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,159 and I will remove you from the discord, and I 792 00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:01,559 will remove you from the Patreon because I don't want 793 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:06,239 to associate with that type behavior. I just won't. I'm 794 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,880 just not going to do it. Best wishes to you, 795 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:13,679 but to me, nothing in the game is more important 796 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,320 than honor and the integrity of the game. My reputation 797 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:19,639 and the integrity of the game. That's the two most 798 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,800 important things, all right. All the links to everything is 799 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,199 down in the information section below this pod. You can 800 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,039 check it out there. And I appreciate you being here 801 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:34,320 for my forty one minute diatribe about ethics and integrity 802 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,159 of this beautiful game we love called poker.