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Speaker 2: Enough tonoon, everybody, Welcome to Eye on the Ball Hero
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Speaker 2: with Bee and Henry today Wednesday. You know why we
Speaker 2: didn't know anything about football history because there's no practice,
Speaker 2: there's no Yeah, they're back on the field today or
Speaker 2: they were, yep, back at.
Speaker 3: It, yep. Yeah. It was just reading some of the
Speaker 3: notes from from some of the guys who you know,
Speaker 3: are out there on our behalf right taking care of us,
Speaker 3: making sure that they keep us informed us to what's.
Speaker 2: Going on right anything that you tam.
Speaker 3: Mac was back on the field, not not fully still
Speaker 3: not doing like seven on seven drills or any of
Speaker 3: that stuff, but he was out there doing more than
Speaker 3: what he was doing before, you know, not just went
Speaker 3: out on the which is thrills and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: which is always good.
Speaker 2: So okay, good, good for him, good for them. Uh
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens it's kind of like right
Speaker 2: now we're in like the not dog days of the summer,
Speaker 2: but uh we're.
Speaker 3: Headed out of the dog getting kind of doggy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing is, it's it's it's getting a
Speaker 2: little bit better. You know. July is kind of a
Speaker 2: doggie where we don't know, it's muggy and awful, right,
Speaker 2: and there's nothing going on. But now the guys are
Speaker 2: back and then other sports are back too. I'm sure volleyball.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, they're all practicing soccer. Soccer opens like we're
Speaker 2: gonna have next week. We're Gonnabody's Friday.
Speaker 3: We think we're waiting here. We're gonna get the coach
Speaker 3: Tomorrow's on Friday.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm Okay, today, what do we have today?
Speaker 3: We've got a u fu Well, we got to we
Speaker 3: got to talking about Texas Tech yesterday, right and the
Speaker 3: hit the history like you know, a long time ago.
Speaker 3: So I got that. You know what, it's time to
Speaker 3: get another another PAC twelve media member on. So we're
Speaker 3: gonna have Nathan I think it's geys is how you
Speaker 3: pronounced his name. But he's the beat writer for the
Speaker 3: Lubbock Avalanche Journal. He covers Texas Tech he's a young guy.
Speaker 3: So he said, I can't speak to the whack days, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not hiring anybody anymore.
Speaker 3: But so he will. He will be here to talk
Speaker 3: about Texas Tech and what he sees this year. And
Speaker 3: so we'll get a little bit of information from him
Speaker 3: about about you know, what we can expect from from
Speaker 3: those guys. So we'll have a conversation about Texas Tech
Speaker 3: coming up and then at uh and so he'll be
Speaker 3: at about three fifteen, and then at four fifteen we're
Speaker 3: to have doctor Kevin Lehman, our friend Arthur. He's an author,
Speaker 3: he's a psychologist. You know, he'll get in and pick
Speaker 3: our brains a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you weren't here last week before the psychologists
Speaker 2: of the team psychologist, right, And I loved that stuff
Speaker 2: because it gets into things that we don't know anything about. Right,
Speaker 2: So I said, why not bring him back? Because who's
Speaker 2: my guest stone was Lamont because Lehman was that guy
Speaker 2: for them back in the day. Yes, so he mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know the things he did. I'm gonna want to
Speaker 2: ask him what was the thinking back then in the
Speaker 2: processes he went through and to now if it still
Speaker 2: applies or is it the new right?
Speaker 3: The new stuff is the new issues that that athletes
Speaker 3: are facing.
Speaker 2: And how would he handle it today? You know, not
Speaker 2: to not to criticize, but you know, no, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: it's the same, maybe it's different.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe it is Yeah, maybe it is different.
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, look, certainly the attention to mental
Speaker 3: health and all those issues is elevated because of you know,
Speaker 3: various things that have happened, uh well you know players,
Speaker 3: you know, committing suicide and you know or you know,
Speaker 3: leaving you know, an Olympic competition like Simon Files or
Speaker 3: something like that, because of the mental health issues.
Speaker 2: And back in my day, your day, and probably way
Speaker 2: before me and you what was the solution. Put a
Speaker 2: little dirt on.
Speaker 3: It, little dirt on it and get up and get
Speaker 3: back out of the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the solution, right, It wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: what can I do for you? When he thought what
Speaker 2: can I do for you? It's more of, you know,
Speaker 2: get out there, get out there and put thee up
Speaker 2: and play and go play, right, Yeah, And then that's
Speaker 2: not so much the case anymore, well at least publicly
Speaker 2: it's not. No, because you know, well there's still a
Speaker 2: lot of people who think that way. Those and they wonder,
Speaker 2: you know, they say, you're a college athlete, what do
Speaker 2: you have to worry about? You know, you get out
Speaker 2: there and there's people like that who still still believe that.
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean the one that that will
Speaker 2: always stick in my mind would be, you know that
Speaker 2: Washington State quarterback that you know played here at Arizona
Speaker 2: and against Arizona, played a tough game, lost, and then
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later he had committed suicide. I
Speaker 2: can't remember. I don't can't remember that.
Speaker 3: Oh god, his brother was his brother had been the
Speaker 3: quarterback in Washington State before. I can't think of his name.
Speaker 3: But you know, and you think, okay, what what was
Speaker 3: so tough in his life that led him.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, no, do that. I've said this, I've said
Speaker 2: this with the miss Kraska. Is that righta Kraska? Uh?
Speaker 2: And I said the number one thing that I've learned
Speaker 2: throughout these years is a depression is huge at the
Speaker 2: college level, not just academically. And then when you're an athlete,
Speaker 2: if you're a very good one, there's some pressure to perform,
Speaker 2: and now that you're getting paid a lot of money, right,
Speaker 2: it's even more pressure, you know, self inflicted or self
Speaker 2: self opposed.
Speaker 3: Okay, no doubt. I mean, you know, there's there's there's
Speaker 3: things where you know, uh, certain individuals maybe just they're
Speaker 3: not built to handle, you know, certain things, and and
Speaker 3: they get.
Speaker 2: Into these issues.
Speaker 3: But it's just more it's I don't want to say prevalent,
Speaker 3: because it's probably been out there, it's just more visible.
Speaker 2: Well, these days, what do they say about all the
Speaker 2: stuff we see with with police getting police, getting fights
Speaker 2: with with people, people getting fights with police, more things
Speaker 2: happening socially. Well, they didn't have phones back in the day, right,
Speaker 2: you know Now they have phones everywhere, so we see
Speaker 2: it more.
Speaker 3: Often, Yes, we do, we do. So, you know, I
Speaker 3: think it's I think it's it's telling that that this
Speaker 3: stuff happened. So, you know, someone like Kevin Lehman is good,
Speaker 3: just put some perspective on it.
Speaker 2: For us.
Speaker 3: We're not smart enough to figure you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of this stuff out, and some people nobody's smart enough
Speaker 3: to figure certain things out. But they're happening out there,
Speaker 3: and you know, and and and what we're dealing with
Speaker 3: here is that you've got you've got a whole group
Speaker 3: of athletes, five hundred what five hundred plus athletes are
Speaker 3: going to suddenly find themselves not going to familiar places? Right,
Speaker 3: what does that do? Uh for them? You know, all
Speaker 3: of a sudden instead of going to going to LA
Speaker 3: and going to San Francisco, places that you're very familiar with,
Speaker 3: now you're going to Point you know. Now you're going
Speaker 3: to Waco, You're going to Lubbock, You're going to still Water,
Speaker 3: you know, all these places. It's like there's got to
Speaker 3: be some stress to that. And then you know the
Speaker 3: length of the travel as well. So yeah, and not
Speaker 3: that I mean the length of the travel, but also
Speaker 3: what that means in terms of how you keep up
Speaker 3: with all the stuff that you're responsible for.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, But the thing I think we talked about
Speaker 2: this last week too, was that what's the one's the
Speaker 2: last time you saw or read about a student not
Speaker 2: being academically eligible been a long time actively ineligible? And right,
Speaker 2: because they have everything made, they everything.
Speaker 3: All the support that they get now is way beyond
Speaker 3: what they you know, what they used to get, right,
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's it's it's certainly different.
Speaker 2: So it's a good thing. And and you know, still
Speaker 2: a tough thing. Yeah, yeah, okay, so we'll get to
Speaker 2: that on the second hour. I'm looking forward to the
Speaker 2: Texas Tech thing. When do they do they play them?
Speaker 2: When when are they play They're.
Speaker 3: They're the first pack Big twelve home game. Okay, so
Speaker 3: they're they're after after Utah. Okay, So we'll probably talk
Speaker 3: to him again later on as we get closer.
Speaker 2: But and that was another reason.
Speaker 3: I you know, I looked at this guy and I thought, okay,
Speaker 3: let's talk about you know, Arizona's first Big twelve home
Speaker 3: games against against Texas tex.
Speaker 2: So I'm still curious too, Like I said yesterday to
Speaker 2: you guys, you and who do we have Brett Farrell? Uh,
Speaker 2: they're getting into the Big twelve, and to me it
Speaker 2: sounds more footballer, you know, and table rather than a
Speaker 2: Pac twelve because it's more fanatics mean it but but
Speaker 2: sec but but but you know what the Big ten,
Speaker 2: Big twelve people think about the guys coming in right? Soft?
Speaker 2: Not soft?
Speaker 3: What's the reputation right?
Speaker 2: Because if you were and I can't ask some messing
Speaker 2: the wrong guy, what's Arizona's reputation soft?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, Arizona's reputation is a team that
Speaker 3: never really was regularly competitive in the in the in
Speaker 3: the Pac twelve, never won a championship.
Speaker 2: So so here's Mike cool. With that said, I'm thinking, so,
Speaker 2: what makes you think you guys gonna just come on
Speaker 2: here and do really well?
Speaker 3: Well, here's something I was thinking about today because and
Speaker 3: I want to get to that something that I've been
Speaker 3: doing over here that I want to get to a
Speaker 3: discussion of later the College Football Playoff. But Arizona, we
Speaker 3: all sit here think they're on the verge of having
Speaker 3: one of the best seasons possibly they've ever had. Right,
Speaker 3: that's what we think because we saw this last.
Speaker 2: Year, and you've thought this every timement, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Again, but we saw this in the expectation is like
Speaker 3: the expectation after the other ten one season, there's another one,
Speaker 3: another one coming up. So there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: here in town who think Arizona's gonna be really good
Speaker 3: and gonna compete in the in the in the in
Speaker 3: the in the Big twelve. But what, you know, what
Speaker 3: they don't know Arizona, Right, Arizona. I feel like, who's
Speaker 3: the fans outside outside of here? Outside of here? Uh
Speaker 3: you know, or that's outside of the PAC twelve footprint
Speaker 3: for you know, those matter like Utah probably you know
Speaker 3: their fans when I think, okay, the A Zone is
Speaker 3: going to be prett good because they beat the hell
Speaker 3: out of its last year Colorado probably you know things
Speaker 3: you know similarly, and then and then a su obviously
Speaker 3: right so, but the other twelve teams in the league,
Speaker 3: they're going, who the hell is Arizona? And then additionally,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the national media isn't really
Speaker 3: thinking of they think, you know, they see Fafiita and mcmeillan,
Speaker 3: and they're gay, and they're getting guys on the list.
Speaker 3: But as a whole, Arizona's kind of flying under the
Speaker 3: radar and all of this, which is right where it
Speaker 3: wants to be, it always has and where it wants
Speaker 3: to be, you know. And and again eating to this
Speaker 3: thing that I'm working that I'm working on and I've
Speaker 3: just finished it for a discussion that I want to
Speaker 3: have with you later is that you know, people are
Speaker 3: talking about you know, who you know, the four you know,
Speaker 3: the four uh uh higher seeds for the college football tournament,
Speaker 3: who college football playoffs? Who might they be? And then
Speaker 3: you know, talking about the other the other teams and
Speaker 3: how the SEC and the Big ten is going to
Speaker 3: dominate the you know, the the bracket. Uh, and then
Speaker 3: talking about dark horses. You know, Arizona's not even be
Speaker 3: mentioned as dark as a dark horse in all of this.
Speaker 3: You know, you're talking about Oklahoma State, you know, because
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State has a bit of a profile right with
Speaker 3: with you know, how they've done last few years. You know,
Speaker 3: they're talking about you know, oh miss and and uh.
Speaker 3: You know obviously no, you know, Notre Dame's not under
Speaker 3: the radar kind of team, but you know, they're not
Speaker 3: a top four team. So there's not much conversation about
Speaker 3: is Arizona really good? Nobody's really talking about plays into Arizona's.
Speaker 2: That's exactly where they like to be because before when
Speaker 2: they didn't do so well, guess what they were doing,
Speaker 2: they were talking about Arizona, right and they didn't sit
Speaker 2: it didn't to go well, right, right? No, I think
Speaker 2: Arizona has always been better when they when they don't talk.
Speaker 3: About Yeah, when there's not when there's no expectations, right, and.
Speaker 2: There's some here, it's they're lingering that bubbling over.
Speaker 3: No, there's a lot here. Steve the thing is inherent Tucson.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but not not out there, not
Speaker 2: out there, which fine. I mean, you can believe the
Speaker 2: press clippings. The funny thing about it is, uh, and
Speaker 2: you read the day to day I don't read it
Speaker 2: as much as I used to. People believe the stories
Speaker 2: as they should because they're truthful. But there is a
Speaker 2: lot of positive going on right right, So Joe Blow,
Speaker 2: Joe Blow. Sister Sally is reading these and thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: this team is going to be pretty good. What I read,
Speaker 2: they're pretty good. What I read, they're pretty good. It
Speaker 2: reminds me of the summer that Marcus Williams played in
Speaker 2: the Summer League with Corey and on them, right, and
Speaker 2: he scored like fifty one points, but it didn't tell
Speaker 2: you is scored a good you and me? Right, and
Speaker 2: and he says, well, I hope he does that during
Speaker 2: the regular season. He's not going to be playing against
Speaker 2: you and me.
Speaker 3: Exactly, you know.
Speaker 2: So they're thinking, oh, he's going to be great this year.
Speaker 2: Well not necessarily necessarily, right, But you're reading positive stuff, right,
Speaker 2: so what do you what? What? What else can you
Speaker 2: expect positive stuff until until until it's not until it's
Speaker 2: until they go up against Texas Tech and realize.
Speaker 3: These guys are pretty good, right, right, because because look
Speaker 3: like you know, no matter no matter how good you
Speaker 3: think Arizona's going to be, when Texas Tech comes to town,
Speaker 3: they're coming. They're coming to town to be Arizona to
Speaker 3: win because they think they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah and have right and normally, I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: we went to this is going back. We've been here
Speaker 2: a long time. In eighty nine, eighty eight, when we
Speaker 2: went to Texas Tech, I didn't think they'd lose their No,
Speaker 2: I didn't think. If you remember, everyone was pretty good
Speaker 2: at that time, right and got their.
Speaker 3: Ass hattitude, they got it bad.
Speaker 2: And you're thinking, how did this happen? Yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 2: I remember everyone was pretty good back then.
Speaker 3: They were and they and they still had a good
Speaker 3: season that season. They they they went to the they
Speaker 3: went to the Copper Bowl. We went seven and four
Speaker 3: gun into the Copper Bowl. Won that. So that was
Speaker 3: an eight wins, an eight wins team that got his
Speaker 3: ass handed to them at Texas Tech. Right, And you
Speaker 3: think and beat Oklahoma, beat Oklahoma and this is a win.
Speaker 2: The next week, this is a win, You're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: what we do here, this will win, this is win
Speaker 2: this What the hell do we know? We know some things, yeah,
Speaker 2: some things with not all things.
Speaker 3: And actually sometimes not much right right?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we got about a minute left to.
Speaker 3: Who I'm I'm you know, I'm looking forward to this
Speaker 3: conversation with because someone asked this, you know this writer.
Speaker 3: What do you guys know about a Yeah, right, I
Speaker 3: mean you have me certain probably haven't been paying attention
Speaker 3: to them up until now.
Speaker 2: I'm curious. Does he do basketball too?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: So so then we'll talk about a.
Speaker 3: Little bout and he's the beat writer for football and
Speaker 3: basket Okay.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: For for the love of Cavalanch.
Speaker 2: You'll never have a day off until March.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotay? How heart is that?
Speaker 4: Steve?
Speaker 2: Very okay?
Speaker 3: Just take to break, all right, let's go ahead, take
Speaker 3: our break. When to come back, Nathan, I believe it's
Speaker 3: geys from the Lubbo Ca Avalanche Journal will be talking
Speaker 3: about the Texas Tech Redreators both football and basketball. Just again,
Speaker 3: we're working our way around the Big Twelve talking to
Speaker 3: me and India members and you know, kind of their
Speaker 3: perspective on this, on this new new league that's getting
Speaker 3: started here in a couple of weeks, Lets stick around.
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Speaker 1: Steve Rivera and Jagen Salez. They have their eye on
Speaker 1: the ball on Tucson's sports stage yet Fox Sports fourteen
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Speaker 2: Live on the IHID Radio Lapp, Hey, welcome back to
Speaker 2: Win in the Ball here Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm
Speaker 2: Steve Rivera. He's Jackensauce. Down the phone. We have Nathan
Speaker 2: Geese from the Lubbock Avalanche Journal. Nathan Hill, are you
Speaker 2: I'm well?
Speaker 11: How are you fell?
Speaker 2: We're doing well. I saw that to Jay check you down.
Speaker 2: Are you as excited as we are to join the
Speaker 2: PAC ten, the PAC twelve? Down in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're excited.
Speaker 11: It's an exciting time. I mean, I like the newness
Speaker 11: of college sports. I know a lot of people don't,
Speaker 11: but I like the idea of new rivalries for him
Speaker 11: and new opponents popping up. Arizona's especially one of them.
Speaker 3: Yep. So you know I mentioned to you that we
Speaker 3: were talking about Texas Tech. We're talking like some old days. Okay,
Speaker 3: we're talking like fifty years ago kind of stuff. So
Speaker 3: we're we're not going to go into that, but you
Speaker 3: know this, it is an old rivalry they've played. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at the record twenty seven games. Texas Tech has
Speaker 3: won twenty five of those. Most of those were back
Speaker 3: in the you know, seventies and before. But they did
Speaker 3: play back in twenty nineteen. I think they were supposed
Speaker 3: to play again in twenty The return game was in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty that got canceled because of COVID. But here's
Speaker 3: here's our question. This is kind of who we're asking
Speaker 3: everybody that we're talking to in the Big Twelve, from
Speaker 3: around the Big Twelve, what is, for lack of a bedword,
Speaker 3: image not only of Arizona but of the Pac twelve
Speaker 3: teams that are coming into the league. What do folks
Speaker 3: around the Big twelve know or think about these teams
Speaker 3: that are joining the league.
Speaker 11: I think that kind of depends on which schools we're
Speaker 11: talking about, because I think for Utah, I think they're
Speaker 11: the one that everybody kind of looks at. Is that's
Speaker 11: kind of like the big get for football, and it
Speaker 11: very much differs from sport to sport. Arizona's obviously the
Speaker 11: big one for basketball, and coming in here you get
Speaker 11: the Dionne Sanders effect in Colorado. But for football wise,
Speaker 11: Arizona's especially up there this year because of what they
Speaker 11: accomplished last year. And I don't think you guys will
Speaker 11: hate this too much. With Arizona State, it's kind of
Speaker 11: the oh, okay, they're here now. So they don't have
Speaker 11: the best image right now. I mean, obviously they've had
Speaker 11: success in the past. It's they're kind of on hard
Speaker 11: times for a few different sports. But overall, it's kind
Speaker 11: of a good mix of we like this, we like
Speaker 11: where this can kind of go in the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I understand you do football and basketball, right.
Speaker 11: Yep, Yeah, I do football, basketball, and then kind of
Speaker 11: hitting on some of the other sports we got going
Speaker 11: on around here.
Speaker 2: Good. Look, you're not going to have a day off
Speaker 2: until June.
Speaker 11: But I am well aware of that. My month of
Speaker 11: July was dead and I was very much okay with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get that. I get that. So, so,
Speaker 2: how good is Texas Tech going to be? Because you know,
Speaker 2: they're kind of kind of unknown.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're sort of an Arizona you know
Speaker 3: what Arizona's been in the PAC twelve sort of a
Speaker 3: kind of a middle of the road program. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: has some has had some good years, yeah, but has
Speaker 3: had more so so years than really good years. I
Speaker 3: know you had the Cliff Kingsbury period and the Pat
Speaker 3: Patrick mahomes and all that kind of stuff, But where
Speaker 3: does Texas Tech sit in the Big twelve do you
Speaker 3: think right now?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 11: Yeah, Like you said, they're kind of that middle of
Speaker 11: the road team. Nobody's really kind of sure. But I
Speaker 11: think the big thing to kind of know is that
Speaker 11: it took them a lot just to get to the
Speaker 11: middle of the road because they were not a middle
Speaker 11: of the road team. Even a couple of years ago.
Speaker 11: They were three four win teams, not even kind of
Speaker 11: sniffing a Bowl games. There just wasn't a lot of hope.
Speaker 11: But now they made three straight bowl games, they won
Speaker 11: them all. They haven't done that since the Mike leegera,
Speaker 11: So there is momentum kind of moving forward. But for
Speaker 11: this year specifically, it's kind of an unknown because last
Speaker 11: year was supposed to be the year. Everybody thought that, oh,
Speaker 11: this is the year they take the lead. They were
Speaker 11: picked forth in the preseason Big twelve pole. It just
Speaker 11: didn't work out for them, And now this year there's
Speaker 11: a decent amount of returning talent, but there are a
Speaker 11: lot of places where they have good talent On the roster.
Speaker 11: We know what guys have done at previous stops, guys
Speaker 11: like Josh Kelly at Washington State, Haleb Douglas in Florida,
Speaker 11: the Braill and Carroll defensive line, and coming over from Rice.
Speaker 11: It's just kind of how those new pieces are going
Speaker 11: to sit in with the returning pieces here and how
Speaker 11: it's all going to kind of come out at the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what were they picked to finish this year? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what were they in the media poll? I guess we
Speaker 2: should have looked that up.
Speaker 11: I believe it was eight eighth or nights. That was
Speaker 11: kind of where most everybody had them. The coaches kind
Speaker 11: of followed suit.
Speaker 2: There is that where you put them.
Speaker 11: I had them eighth or nine. I think, yeah, that
Speaker 11: sounds about right, But I could easily see that jumping
Speaker 11: up majorly just because of how the schedule unfolds.
Speaker 2: So I came from Dallas many moons ago, probably way
Speaker 2: before you were born too. But where is the and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know where this is anymore, but in Texas?
Speaker 2: In Texas per se, where does Texas Tech land among
Speaker 2: the Texas schools? Because I'm sure it's like eight or
Speaker 2: ninth too.
Speaker 11: In terms of hierarchy like all the Texas school Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You got Texas at number one, and you know where
Speaker 2: the recruits decide to go.
Speaker 11: Texas oust the number one. I think A and M
Speaker 11: is probably two in that regard, and then it's just
Speaker 11: kind of a mix of Baylor, TC and Tech. I
Speaker 11: think they're all kind of in that three, four or
Speaker 11: five spot jogging there, and then SMBU is trying to
Speaker 11: kind of make that jump up with the move to
Speaker 11: the ACC.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty good. Five is not bad in those big,
Speaker 2: big time schools.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and they obviously want to be number one, but
Speaker 11: you know, you're you're dealing with the juggernaut of the Longhorns,
Speaker 11: and even if they're not the best, they they'll tell
Speaker 11: everybody they're the best. So that's just kind of kind
Speaker 11: of how it goes. But that's kind of what they're
Speaker 11: trying to do. And what a lot of teams, especially
Speaker 11: in the new Big twelve, we're trying to do is
Speaker 11: take up that mantle of no, we're the giant, now
Speaker 11: we're the one, kind of taking over. And I don't
Speaker 11: think anybody's ever gonna wes Texas is because they have
Speaker 11: so much history. Maybe not in the last twenty years,
Speaker 11: but before that they built up so much equity, so
Speaker 11: everybody's just kind of trying to leap for each other
Speaker 11: now based on where everything is unfolding right now?
Speaker 3: Is there is there a sense of excitement though that?
Speaker 3: Because look, even Texas Tech picked to finish eighth. Is
Speaker 3: there any kind of sense of excitement that this league
Speaker 3: is wide open? Right? You know, you win a game here,
Speaker 3: you win a game, maybe you're unexpected to win all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you might be in the middle of something.
Speaker 3: Is that how, because that's how we're seeing it here. Look,
Speaker 3: and Arizona, Arizona football has a history where it's just
Speaker 3: rarely been somebody who's spoken of is going into a
Speaker 3: seat and saying, okay, watch out for Arizona. Arizona isn't
Speaker 3: rarely that team, but they've had, you know, some good
Speaker 3: seasons and you know, finished near the top a few times.
Speaker 3: But it seemed from where we're sitting, we're seeing we're
Speaker 3: seeing that, Okay, Arizona doesn't have to deal with UCLA
Speaker 3: or Washington anymore, going to a league where nobody really
Speaker 3: scares Arizona. But we also know that Arizona just isnt
Speaker 3: going to walk in there and started beating all these teams.
Speaker 3: You've still got a bunch of good teams, but it's
Speaker 3: more wide open, are you guys see it that way?
Speaker 3: And you've got four more teams that are just coming
Speaker 3: to get in the middle of it.
Speaker 12: I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 11: I was just talking to one of the Colorado guys
Speaker 11: up there last week about this very thing. Is that
Speaker 11: once you kind of get past the first four teams,
Speaker 11: even just kind of looking at the preseason poll of
Speaker 11: Boklahoma State, Utah, Arizona, Kansas, Kansas State, that kind of mixed.
Speaker 11: After that, it's a lot of teams kind of on
Speaker 11: a similar plane where even if you don't think right
Speaker 11: now they're in that top five, they can easily shoot
Speaker 11: up there for it. I'm the perfect example of this
Speaker 11: is when Tech and Arizona played each other in Tucson
Speaker 11: in October. If Tech is not five and zero at
Speaker 11: that point, something went wrong, because that's just house. This
Speaker 11: schedule kind of unfolded here for them and they should
Speaker 11: be battling for a bowl game before Halloween, which is
Speaker 11: a very different thing than what they've done the last
Speaker 11: few years. They've had to kind of go to the
Speaker 11: end of the season for that. So there is kind
Speaker 11: of that if you and if you find that momentum early,
Speaker 11: you can get a couple of those games. Maybe Tech
Speaker 11: goes into Tucson and beat Arizona. They can nip Iowa
Speaker 11: stayed Oklahoma State. Right, You just never know what can
Speaker 11: kind of happen if you get things going in your
Speaker 11: direction early.
Speaker 2: That's funny. You said five and zero and Arizona if
Speaker 2: they're not three and two or better, somebody went wrong
Speaker 2: because Arizona, Yeah, because there could be two and two
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well they'll have four games because they have
Speaker 3: a bet, they have a bye week before, so the
Speaker 3: best say they've got four games, and so you know,
Speaker 3: Arizona's got to play Kansas State, which is weird in
Speaker 3: a non conference game because that was already scheduled, and
Speaker 3: then they go to Utah and that's before before Texas
Speaker 3: Tech comes here. So you know, most of us, anybody,
Speaker 3: any reasonable people, Steve Steve accuses me of never been
Speaker 3: reasonable on Arizona stuff like this, but you know, you should.
Speaker 3: You should expect Arizona to be two and two. You
Speaker 3: don't expect them to go beat win at Kansas State
Speaker 3: and win at Utah in those first couple of games,
Speaker 3: But after that the road get You know, Arizona's got
Speaker 3: a schedule that seems very manageable, but it starts with
Speaker 3: Texas Tech. If Texas Tech is coming over here and
Speaker 3: they're five and zero, right and they've got their sight
Speaker 3: set on some stuff, all of a sudden, that's a
Speaker 3: very different game then from what it looks like.
Speaker 11: Today, right, A lot of it because that's kind of
Speaker 11: what happened in Tech last year. They had all these
Speaker 11: high expectations and they went they went up to Wyoming,
Speaker 11: lost in double overtime, and that was just kind of
Speaker 11: a backbreaker for it. Yeah, then they hosted over again,
Speaker 11: lost that one. Two close losses, but if those go
Speaker 11: in a different direction, you have no idea what the
Speaker 11: rest of that season is going to kind of do.
Speaker 11: But since they lost them, it was kind of the well,
Speaker 11: here we go, we're not going to be as good
Speaker 11: as we thought we were. And then injuries kind of
Speaker 11: played into that too. So if they can turn that around,
Speaker 11: which they're not good at starting season strong, this is
Speaker 11: very much a chance for them to do that.
Speaker 3: What what kind of what kind of team do we
Speaker 3: expect to see here, you know, because those of us
Speaker 3: who you know, however casually we watched, you know, the
Speaker 3: other leagues and stuff like that. When we think of
Speaker 3: Texas Tech from Tucson, Arizona, we do think of you know,
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes and and and and the air raid offense
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. What are they today?
Speaker 11: See that's kind of a Loavely question too, a little bit,
Speaker 11: just because last year they were They went into the
Speaker 11: season wanting to be that spread it around offense and
Speaker 11: throwing it up and down the field, but quarterback and
Speaker 11: Reis forced them. They just had to keep feeding Todge
Speaker 11: Brooks the ball. And he's a very good running back.
Speaker 11: He had a very good season for him, All American,
Speaker 11: All Conference kind of guys. So it worked worked out
Speaker 11: in that sense, but it wasn't the offense they wanted
Speaker 11: to run. So this year what they have to hope
Speaker 11: for Baron Morton to stay healthy because if they don't,
Speaker 11: there's a lot of inexperience behind him. And if he
Speaker 11: can stay healthy, you're gonna be a much better mix
Speaker 11: of that. I know they've already established that they want
Speaker 11: to get Todge Brooks the all time career rushing record,
Speaker 11: which is about eleven hundred twelve hundred yards and you
Speaker 11: can still do that and still be a kind of
Speaker 11: a pass oriented team, which was the receiving options you
Speaker 11: got out there with Josh Kelly, Caleb Douglas, Koikin was
Speaker 11: Morton's favorite target down the stretch of the season, and
Speaker 11: the five star recruit Mikeah Hudson. He's going to be
Speaker 11: involved early and often the season. There's a lot of
Speaker 11: different weapons that you're not just going to ask him
Speaker 11: to bill block for Todge Brooks all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, interesting stuff. Yeah, yeah. Well, and the history
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the history. There is a great history.
Speaker 2: Even I didn't know it was twenty five and two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's no billboards because it's fight five and
Speaker 3: two and one of them was Kevin Soman beat him
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. I was just looking it up when
Speaker 3: they last played and it was it was it was
Speaker 3: shortly after that that they went on the lone started
Speaker 3: the long losing streak that that that went got twenty games.
Speaker 3: It was ugly, but anyways, and then there was the
Speaker 3: one that we were talking about yesterday, the nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: five game when Arizona came back and won.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it seemed, you know, we sit here.
Speaker 3: The Pac twelve to us right always been a pass
Speaker 3: happy call it a finesse league if you want. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe outside of or outside of Washington and USC teams
Speaker 3: were really never physical the Big Twelve as a whole.
Speaker 3: What what is it in that regard? Would you say?
Speaker 11: I think it's a decent mix. You've got a couple
Speaker 11: of teams that are pretty physical. Kansas State is the
Speaker 11: most physical. I think that the Iowa State of the
Speaker 11: returning groupe returning programs coming into the Big Twelve this year.
Speaker 11: And then you tell, we know what their reputation is.
Speaker 11: You guys have seen it. They're just kind of a
Speaker 11: smashball style. But then kind of down the line, you
Speaker 11: get a little bit more finesse offenses as you kind
Speaker 11: of go down what the defenses are trying to kind
Speaker 11: of keep pace, which is what the big knock against
Speaker 11: the Big Twelve was forever was every game is fifty
Speaker 11: five to fifty two and no one can stop anybody.
Speaker 11: It's really come back down to earth as defenses have
Speaker 11: gotten better, as better players and better talent have come
Speaker 11: into the conference.
Speaker 2: That's so we only have a couple of minutes. Now,
Speaker 2: let's talk real quick about basketball, because we'll probably get
Speaker 2: ahold of you when this season gets closer or the
Speaker 2: games comes closer. You talked about Arizona coming into the
Speaker 2: league basketball wise, I can't wait. It's just going to
Speaker 2: be a fantastic league. Texas Tech is better. I know
Speaker 2: they lost their coach, Beard, who was a fast, tested coach,
Speaker 2: as you know, but what's the excitement about basketball?
Speaker 11: It's high. I can't say that it was the case
Speaker 11: necessarily this time last year because there was so much
Speaker 11: unknown with how Mark Adams left and Graham mccastlem coming in.
Speaker 11: Everybody thought, you know, this guy can coach, but can
Speaker 11: it kind of translate to everything. And the thing that
Speaker 11: impressed me the most is they had injuries themselves too,
Speaker 11: and the way they were able to adjust to those
Speaker 11: injuries throughout the year was probably the most impressive thing
Speaker 11: about the team. And so this year you got Darien
Speaker 11: Williams coming back. He just he became a monster down
Speaker 11: the stretch last year, and adding him with New Mexico
Speaker 11: transfer JT. Toppins, that's a really good one to two
Speaker 11: punch at the three. And four positions. He got some
Speaker 11: really great shooters surrounding him. And it's kind of like
Speaker 11: with football, I'm not really sure which direction it's going
Speaker 11: to go. I know Campus and Houston in Arizona are
Speaker 11: probably going to be the top three in some order
Speaker 11: pre season wise, but kind of like last year, it's
Speaker 11: an open field and anybody can go take it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like Steve said, it's just going to be
Speaker 3: fun and a lot of us here can't wait. But
Speaker 3: you know, we have football to deal with too, So that's.
Speaker 2: So maybe lastly, before we go away, you've been on
Speaker 2: the road to most of the Big twelve venues or no, a.
Speaker 11: Decent amount of them. Last year was my first year traveling.
Speaker 11: They usually try to keep me within driving distance of places,
Speaker 11: so I haven't been to too many spots. I didn't
Speaker 11: get to go to Iowa State or UC but I've
Speaker 11: been too few spots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what two fans expect on those roads? Then for
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve.
Speaker 11: For road destinations this year or when they come.
Speaker 3: To Techna, you know, when they come any of any
Speaker 3: of the venues, I mean, what can we expect to
Speaker 3: see over there, because look, you've probably seen some of
Speaker 3: those UCLA games where there's you know, twenty five thousand
Speaker 3: people in an eighty thousand seat stadium Stanford. You know
Speaker 3: some of those places, there aren't any of those, are there?
Speaker 11: Not really No uh basketball, the different story obviously, there's
Speaker 11: a these spots. Oklahoma State was a depressing visit back
Speaker 11: last year. But for football wise, as long as the
Speaker 11: team is pretty relevant in the conversation, their fans are
Speaker 11: going to kind of show up. They're going to get
Speaker 11: pretty rowdy there. And I know for Texas Tech, they
Speaker 11: got a brand new, uh South End zone product. They're
Speaker 11: way Twin Dale is going to create this pretty cool
Speaker 11: backdrop for the venue that hasn't been there before. It's
Speaker 11: gonna be interesting for the new teams that kind of
Speaker 11: come in, but the new teams have their own traditions
Speaker 11: to the Big twelve is gonna have to deal with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun. Thanks a bunch, Hey, Nathan,
Speaker 2: We do appreciate it.
Speaker 3: We are gonna want to talk to you again at
Speaker 3: some point, uh you know, the week probably the week
Speaker 3: probably the week that that they the Texas Tech comes
Speaker 3: here and to see how things are going at that time.
Speaker 2: So you're going to be making that trip. That's drivable.
Speaker 2: Good look.
Speaker 11: For me, any for me, anything is drivable.
Speaker 2: But you know it's the paper.
Speaker 6: Hey, we're still figuring that out.
Speaker 11: But if you mean anything else on the Texas guys, we.
Speaker 2: Used to be newspaper guys were no longer. We know
Speaker 2: the money situation.
Speaker 12: Exactly, exactly exactly, all.
Speaker 3: Right, thanks so much, Nathan, appreciate it.
Speaker 11: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to tying the Ball here on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty on Steve's Jay Kevin. Now we don't
Speaker 2: have Kevin. We have Henry. I knew that. I don't
Speaker 2: want to keep calling every cash hev So Henry in
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Speaker 3: Hey, and uh see, we shouldn't need that.
Speaker 2: No, but I don't remember much. You don't remember much.
Speaker 3: We we shouldn't.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2: We'll continue to try to do that right, right with
Speaker 2: other people.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get some more, you know, get some more uh,
Speaker 3: you know, beat writers and whatnot from from the various uh,
Speaker 3: from the various big twelve cities. Okay, so let me
Speaker 3: bring this up now because there's something that I was
Speaker 3: listening to uh today. Look, it's it's starting, right the
Speaker 3: college football playoff with the twelfteen bracket.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 3: This year really adding a lot to the conversation. You're
Speaker 3: gonna ad a lot of intrigue to to the to
Speaker 3: the season, right, A lot of should be a lot
Speaker 3: of suspense at the end of the year. You know,
Speaker 3: if you can get into the Big twelve or can
Speaker 3: get into your conference championship game and then win that game,
Speaker 3: you get a first round by and you're automatically in
Speaker 3: the in the College Football Playoff and you got a
Speaker 3: first round by. So it was a conversation going on
Speaker 3: in one of the podcasts they listened to where they
Speaker 3: were talking about, Okay, let's apply the USA Today Coaches
Speaker 3: Poll ranking to the bracket, and what would the bracket
Speaker 3: look like if if that, if that were the final,
Speaker 3: if that were the final rankings. And the funny thing
Speaker 3: that came out of it was almost that you're better off.
Speaker 3: You're almost better off not being the one, two or
Speaker 3: three seeds, right, and you presume that the SEC champ
Speaker 3: and the Big twe and the Big ten champ are
Speaker 3: going to be the one in two seeds, right, And
Speaker 3: if if you're looking at the bracket or you're looking
Speaker 3: at the pole at Georgia and Ohio State and you
Speaker 3: set up the bracket, and then if you're it's like,
Speaker 3: the best seed to be is number five. And it's
Speaker 3: weird because here's the way it sets up. The four
Speaker 3: seed goes to the worst, the lowest ranked of the
Speaker 3: four power conference champions, right, okay, in this case, in
Speaker 3: the in the in the in the in the USA
Speaker 3: Today Coaches Ball, that's Utah. They're they're ranked. I can't believe.
Speaker 2: I shut it down.
Speaker 3: But Utah comes in ranked number thirteen. So now Utah's
Speaker 3: number thirteen. Well, Oregon, who's number three, would be in
Speaker 3: a first round game where if they win, they play
Speaker 3: Utah instead of you look at the other side of
Speaker 3: the bracket where I hope you can follow me on this.
Speaker 3: Let's say Georgia's Let's say Georgia's number one, they got
Speaker 3: to play the winner of Notre Dame Mississippi, as opposed
Speaker 3: to uh, you know where Oregon, if they were you know,
Speaker 3: higher rank, they get to play Utah, who's ranked lower
Speaker 3: than Notre Dame in Mississippi. Here's even worse one. If
Speaker 3: you're the number two seedt Ohio State, you gotta play
Speaker 3: the winner of Alabama Michigan. So who's got a better
Speaker 3: bractet Oregon who only has to who would only have
Speaker 3: to beat Memphis and Utah to get to the semi finals,
Speaker 3: Or Ohio State who's got to beat either Alabama or
Speaker 3: Michigan or Georgia who's got to beat either Mississippi or
Speaker 3: Notre Dame. There's gonna be a lot of controversy behind that.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of discussion. What the hell
Speaker 3: I know it means an extra game for Oregon? But
Speaker 3: an extra game against who? Against Memphis?
Speaker 2: Where's the bulletin bulletin board material? If you want to
Speaker 2: be the best, you gotta beat the best.
Speaker 3: Sure, And that's what they'll say, right, that's what I'll
Speaker 3: have to state, WI say. But wouldn't you rather be Oregon?
Speaker 2: You want the easiest road to try, right?
Speaker 3: Would you rather be Oregon where you get to play?
Speaker 3: You would get to play Memphis at home?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, and then you go play Utah on
Speaker 3: a neutral field to get to the semi finals. Whereas
Speaker 3: if you're Ohio State, you're only playing on the neutral
Speaker 3: field and you got to be either Alabama or Michigan
Speaker 3: to get there. It's it's it's you know that when
Speaker 3: as that starts to develop, people are gonna lose their
Speaker 3: minds over this.
Speaker 2: Uh, Okay, we'll get there when we get there.
Speaker 3: But I like it though, But I like having this conversation.
Speaker 3: This is this what's gonna make the season fun? Is
Speaker 3: the look? You know that every week somebody in a
Speaker 3: column or on Twitter or whatever is going to apply
Speaker 3: the AP ranking to your bracket and say, Okay, if
Speaker 3: this was the end of the season, it would look
Speaker 3: like this. And so that's what we're doing now with this.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll say what, how do you what it
Speaker 3: comes out with with the A people. But you know, really,
Speaker 3: you got to know that somebody like an Oregon or
Speaker 3: whatever is licking their chops to saying, you know, if
Speaker 3: I'm the five seed now or Notre Dame, right, Notre
Speaker 3: Dame can't get a number one seed, a number one
Speaker 3: to four seed because they're not in a conference, so
Speaker 3: they could wind up as the five seed if they're
Speaker 3: the best of the rest of the teams and they
Speaker 3: can be in that spot.
Speaker 2: Which of course you say is a good spot. I
Speaker 2: think it is. It makes sense to me. You know,
Speaker 2: it makes sense to me because they see that's how
Speaker 2: my mind works. I know you're you're trying to how
Speaker 2: can I get to the quick mark the fastest, any
Speaker 2: obstacles to get some ice cream?
Speaker 3: Exactly. This whole thing is gonna be fascinating though, because again,
Speaker 3: maybe you finished in second place in the league, right,
Speaker 3: But you get into the into the championship game, you're
Speaker 3: playing for a spot in the in the guaranteed spot
Speaker 3: of the college football playoffs. You know, looking at this
Speaker 3: bracket again, there's only one ACC team, there's only one
Speaker 3: Big twelve team, and then there's the then there's the
Speaker 3: group of five teams. The other nine spots are going
Speaker 3: to the Big ten in the SEC. So you're playing
Speaker 3: for a lot in the Big twelve unless they unless
Speaker 3: they have an eleven and one and a twelve and
Speaker 3: o team going into the going into the championship game.
Speaker 3: That's the only way you're going to get two teams, Yeah,
Speaker 3: two Big twelve teams in.
Speaker 2: The playoffs right right, and then how many s SEC.
Speaker 3: This would have one, two, three, four.
Speaker 2: So the rich continue to get rich four SEG.
Speaker 3: Teams, one, two, three, four Big ten teams, then Notre
Speaker 3: Dame and then a Big twelve and ACC and a
Speaker 3: group of five. That's what that's what the twelve, that's
Speaker 3: what they called the USA Today poll. That's how the
Speaker 3: bracket would play out, and number twelve LSU gets left
Speaker 3: out because you get a group you got to get
Speaker 3: a group of five team in there so and they'll
Speaker 3: you know, they'll bitch about that for sure. I like this, Steve.
Speaker 3: I want to have fun with this every week.
Speaker 2: How about it. I hope I'm missing a few days.
Speaker 2: Two other days I'm not here here.
Speaker 3: We got a call. You have to be here.
Speaker 2: Hi, you're on the airline.
Speaker 12: Ball my fellows a him.
Speaker 3: What's up, Jim.
Speaker 12: Well, I'm thinking I'm listening to you today and we're
Speaker 12: you know, trying to get excited and motivated and looking
Speaker 12: forward to the season, the football season first, obviously, And
Speaker 12: I want to go back to something I said to
Speaker 12: Steve about two or three years ago. I think it
Speaker 12: was three years ago. I said, uh, you know, this
Speaker 12: is going to come down to who can make and
Speaker 12: break patents as to how things go. And they progressively
Speaker 12: got better, right up to the where Jonah Coleman was
Speaker 12: probably probably the MVP of the team at least the
Speaker 12: last half of the year, don't you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't remember you saying talking about tackles.
Speaker 2: I do remember you talking about Joonah Coleman.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you didn't use the word grumpy when you
Speaker 2: mentioned my name, But no, I agree with you. And
Speaker 2: in fact, Jay, if it's going to be more rough
Speaker 2: and tumble rugged as we assume, I'm not sure that's
Speaker 2: gonna In fact, as Jim says, there was a gonna
Speaker 2: have to be that.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what I think.
Speaker 12: They've got a sort of like a pressure outlet on
Speaker 12: on the field all the time. And we all know
Speaker 12: what we all know what t MAC has done and
Speaker 12: what it will likely to do again. But I think
Speaker 12: the games are going to be won and lost here
Speaker 12: based on what we can do running the ball to
Speaker 12: control the ball and control the game. I think that
Speaker 12: this uh Collie Connery is going to have to break
Speaker 12: tackles as the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well you know, man, Now he's built forty set
Speaker 13: up forties five ten to two o seven, so he's
Speaker 13: a big, sturdy kid. But I think that's what's going
Speaker 13: to make the final difference. Jay, as to whether you
Speaker 13: get to go to.
Speaker 3: Your bowl game, Well, John, Jim, I think you you
Speaker 3: know you're right in a way because as much as
Speaker 3: we talked about last year and and the things that
Speaker 3: that the TAMAC and norfafeated and everybody else did with
Speaker 3: the passing game, the reason Arizona was good and the
Speaker 3: reason they won ten games was because the running game
Speaker 3: that they have. So you know, with Colt, you're completely
Speaker 3: right on that. You you have to have a running game.
Speaker 3: Look again, otherwise, how many how well would Texas Tech
Speaker 3: have done in those years where they are, you know,
Speaker 3: throwing for five hundred yards every game they were in
Speaker 3: the mid road.
Speaker 12: The bad news. The bad news is we've never seen
Speaker 12: either one of these guys. And there there are two
Speaker 12: prominent figures in the running back scheme. It's Speedy Luke
Speaker 12: and Collie Collie Conley from San Diego State. And the
Speaker 12: bad news is we've never seen them together on the field.
Speaker 12: We've never seen Speedy get the ball more in two
Speaker 12: or three times a half. The good news is Collie
Speaker 12: Conley ran for eight hundred and fifty yards last year,
Speaker 12: so he's capable. But I think that's going to be
Speaker 12: your difference maker. Is off tackle at the edge up
Speaker 12: the middle? Can can these guys break a tackle? I'll
Speaker 12: hang up and let it go at that. But and
Speaker 12: of course I think t Ma is gonna, you know,
Speaker 12: be a difference maker right no matter what. He's the
Speaker 12: best wide receiver I've ever seen in college football.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I like your analysis, Jim, I like your analysis.
Speaker 3: Good stuff, but I agree. I agree with him and that, well, look,
Speaker 3: you don't win. You don't win by being good on
Speaker 3: one side of the ball.
Speaker 2: Of course, you just don't.
Speaker 3: The twenty fourteen airs on the team, right, Okay, threw
Speaker 3: the ball over the field, all over the field. But
Speaker 3: they had a good running game. Nick Nick Wilson was good.
Speaker 3: And the other the other dude, uh uh.
Speaker 2: Terence?
Speaker 3: What was the name?
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, don't know, don't remember.
Speaker 3: He had a hyphenated last name.
Speaker 2: Fourteen. I can't remember, fourteen. No cover for the fox
Speaker 2: of something brid God darn it. Who is the who's
Speaker 2: the other? Who's the other running back?
Speaker 3: Kill him? See Steve Ding You know today at at
Speaker 3: lunch I told you about the you know it'll be
Speaker 3: in breaking news the Cowboys football player from the early
Speaker 3: seventies who passed away today to it. Well, we were
Speaker 3: reeling off names. We were we we basically named the
Speaker 3: whole Dallas Cowboys offensive and defensive starting units from that time,
Speaker 3: from that from that team, from that team back in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one, I think seventy one, seventy two times quarterback. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: that would have been No. Roger Stobach seventy one.
Speaker 2: He took over that early. I thought it was later
Speaker 2: in the year. It could be wrong anyway, but you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, Craig Morton, Bob Lily, mel Renfrow, we were running,
Speaker 3: we were reeling off all these names, and here's this
Speaker 3: Terrence Jones, Griggsby, that's the guy that I was trying. No, no,
Speaker 3: I got it. I pulled it out of it, kind
Speaker 3: of pulled it out of somewhere. But that twenty fourteen
Speaker 3: Arizona team had a good running game. Well that's why
Speaker 3: they were That's that's why they got as far as
Speaker 3: they got. But it wasn't elite to get them pasted
Speaker 3: Oregon in the championship.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why coaches talked about you have to establish
Speaker 2: the run before you established you do.
Speaker 3: No matter how good of a passing game you have,
Speaker 3: you have to be able to run the ball.
Speaker 2: And it's exciting to watch the passing game, but you
Speaker 2: need the running game, you absolutely do.
Speaker 3: And and so yeah, no, that's a that's a good
Speaker 3: point there. But again, by all counts, this running backs
Speaker 3: room is pretty loaded. We'll just see how good they are?
Speaker 3: Are they good enough to compete?
Speaker 2: Are they?
Speaker 3: The Big twelve? Are the Big twelve running backs?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 2: Twelve goods? Okay, we gotta go.
Speaker 3: All right, take our break. We when we come back.
Speaker 2: Henry's here. He's gonna have some breaking news.