WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.919 The Boundless Authenticity Podcast. Thanks for tuning in to another 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:11.960 episode of The Boundless Authenticity Podcast. We're almost at ninety 3 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:16.079 episodes now and according to the statistics, sixty eight percent 4 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:20.079 of listeners across the globe are not subscribed or following 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.879 the podcast. In order for me to be able to 6 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.120 bring you even more of the guests that you want, 7 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:29.280 I need your help, so please hit follow or subscribe 8 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:35.000 on any of your favorite streaming platforms, whether it be Speaker, Spotify, Apple, Rumble, 9 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:38.240 or YouTube, so that I can continue getting the best 10 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:43.399 interviews for you. Today's return guest is Nathaniel Gillis, who 11 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.000 is a paranormal researcher and author of The Skin That Crawls, 12 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:51.759 and today we are unveiling the unseen, connecting the dots 13 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:56.399 between aliens, demons, and the unknown. Now, we've just had 14 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:01.719 a very riveting pre podcast conversation, so maybe I will 15 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.159 go through that and include some of it near the end, 16 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:10.079 because I mean, shit just got really hot. So anyways, Nathaniel, 17 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:10.799 how's it going. 18 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:13.439 It's going good, brother, Thank you for having me on. 19 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:15.400 It's it's always a pleasure to be on with you. 20 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:20.439 I got to ask this question, and I think I've 21 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:24.439 asked you this before, but what is the distinction between 22 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:29.640 demons and other malevolent supernatural beings? Are all these entities 23 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:34.519 considered demons? Or is their nuances both guys, shadow people, 24 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:35.439 all that stuff. 25 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.959 We could be dealing with partially manifested entities. As far 26 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.000 as I'm concerned, my model of phenomenon is not that 27 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:47.799 they're demonic. The data set doesn't point to that. As 28 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.799 far as the demonic being construct will, so is the 29 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.519 extra terrestrial. Matter of fact, we have more evidence of 30 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.920 the demonic model than we do of the extraterrestrial hypothesis. 31 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.319 We can get into those case studies too, But my 32 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:06.079 model is not that these are demons. And when you 33 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:10.080 get into ritual magic, it's very easy to see that 34 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.759 we have what are called pictorial signatures. There were we know, 35 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:18.520 mis sigils, but they were designed for the practitioner to 36 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:24.520 conjure another presence to where it could incarnate into this reality. 37 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:29.800 Now we're seeing those same sigils on abductees and on 38 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:34.879 demoniacs and victims of malevolent hauntings, and not just that, 39 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:40.439 but also those who've been disembodied once they get back 40 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:44.719 into their body. Whatever these entities are are actually carving 41 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:49.360 sigils either into the consciousness or into the soul, and 42 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.319 then when they return back to their body, it's manifesting 43 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.439 from underneath the skin of the surface. So that right 44 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:02.759 there knocks the demonic hypothesis out contention because our practitioners 45 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:08.599 are carving pictorial signatures for them, But why are they 46 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.039 doing the same thing That would actually kind of suggest 47 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.560 that they themselves are performing ritual magic on us. And 48 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.960 so at one level, we have us trying to conjure them. No, 49 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:24.319 they're also trying to conjure almost like another another entity 50 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:29.840 or another presence above them. So if they're demons, that 51 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:34.560 doesn't fit because they also serve different masters. And that's 52 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.479 why that's kind of why I've been deconstructing the whole 53 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:41.840 model of demonology respect to systematic demonology, because it doesn't work. 54 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:44.759 And that's the difference between us, you know, not us, 55 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:46.759 but you know people in the field that just read 56 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:50.400 books about demonology and people that are actually in homes, 57 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.280 boots on the ground researching. You see that there's pattern 58 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.199 confirming evidence that does suggest we're dealing with not just 59 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:03.120 ritual magic, but a species of sourcer. And that doesn't 60 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:07.280 really fit the blueprint of horns and hooves. Now, I 61 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:11.719 also believe that there are data points that has confused 62 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.240 me demonologists right because they see the ritual magic, they 63 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.000 just don't have a knowledge of ritual magic, and so 64 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:18.920 they kind of lump it all together and say, all right, 65 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:23.720 cool demons, and it's not it's not. So whatever we're 66 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:29.759 dealing with does employ ritual magic, and it's in many 67 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.759 fields of research. As I said, it's not just in 68 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.759 a UFO abduction phenomenon. Some of these sigils have been 69 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:40.959 carved into crafts craft rather plural, which is another strange interconnectivity. 70 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:44.720 So whatever they are, these appear to be more like 71 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:50.240 practitioners instead of the actual entities they're trying to contracts. 72 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:56.160 Does anybody actually really understand how these things are interacting 73 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.560 with our physical world. 74 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.399 It's not just that we don't know what we're measuring. 75 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.759 We don't know how to measure it. So on one hand, 76 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:08.199 it's okay, right, it's okay, we pretty much got an 77 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.000 energy signature. Yeah, but what is it? Where's it come from? 78 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.759 This is another argue with the Collins elite, who you know, 79 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:17.639 have been recently frowned upon as religious sellots, And that's 80 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.480 another thing I've been having to do as of lately, 81 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.879 you know, try to kind of correct some of the 82 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:26.759 lie spread about them. But in their research, they were 83 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:32.839 taking soil samples from real crop circles in England and 84 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:37.319 they found a certain seilar anomaly and a certain energy 85 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.279 signature in them, and they went back to their laboratories 86 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.199 they began to perform ritual magic. Ritual magic. I'm not 87 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.120 talking about white magic. I'm not talking about you know, kumbaya, 88 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:50.000 my lord, you know, I'm going to do a certain 89 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.199 ritual and hope that somebody gets healed. No, it was 90 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:57.519 quite literally, I'm going to afflict somebody and the phenomenon incarnated. 91 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.079 And they were able to monitor and capture the same 92 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:07.480 energy signature and the same cellular anomaly in that experiment 93 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:13.079 that they found in the crop circles. So whether or 94 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.399 not they're demonica, I think that I've kind of obviously 95 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.199 shelved that for the moment. What we're looking at is 96 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:22.639 the self same signatures, the self same anomalies in both 97 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:26.279 fields of research. Now, what we're looking at with respect 98 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.319 to our government, to obfuscate that fact is in their 99 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.079 best interest in something else. I need to highlight it 100 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.920 wasn't that the Callon's elite came to the conclusion that 101 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.399 their religion was right. And that's not at all what 102 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.920 they said. That's another lie being propagated in the field, 103 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:43.160 because if that was the case, they would have went 104 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.959 to everybody and said, listen, here's all the evidence, right, 105 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:50.600 it's called evangelism. Come to our churches. We have scientific 106 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.199 proof that our understanding of the universe, our understanding of God, 107 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:56.639 is correct. It's not what they did, not at all. 108 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:58.600 They went back to what's called the mosaic law, which 109 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:03.519 is not evangelistic. That's keeping Torah. So it literally, whatever 110 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:08.040 their data was, their conclusions drew them to the point 111 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.920 where they said, we're going to kind of deconstruct our 112 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.560 own theology at this point. And so I don't know 113 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.120 what they have. I would suggest that whatever they have 114 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:22.079 is far darker than just believing in demons. It would 115 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:24.319 be something along the lines that we are being formed, 116 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:26.680 that we are not in control of our own destinies, 117 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:31.600 that belief systems are not real, and that even some 118 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.800 of the emblems and symbols that we are given do 119 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:38.920 not actually mean what we think they mean. 120 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.120 When you say, symbols and emblems, What do. 121 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:43.920 You mean they're talking about this as of late on 122 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.040 these shows and stuff. There was a group of researchers 123 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:51.839 in Russia who were toying with what's called the Kusierov mirror, 124 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:56.120 and basically it's modern scrying. It comes from a researcher, 125 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:00.319 Nikolay Kosirov, who believe that you could actually, if you 126 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.399 can bin manner into itself, you can actually bend time. 127 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:06.399 And so they took this piece of sheet metal, rolled 128 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.480 it into itself, placed glass on the inside, and they 129 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:11.759 set in front of the mirror. It's a modern form 130 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:14.639 of scrine. You know, we've seen that an antiquity. We 131 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:18.199 saw it with Edward Kelly and John Dee. But it's 132 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.000 an active divination and their goal was to kind of 133 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.360 divine the future and at the very least hope to 134 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.759 come in contact with something a live form. Perhaps is 135 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:30.680 in the middle of one of their experiments that they 136 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.159 began to see these Sumerian symbols manifest in the mirror. 137 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.639 One night, they saw what Alistair Crowley called an Enochian 138 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:42.399 entity manifested on the other side and began to look 139 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:46.200 at them. So one of the researchers decided. You know, 140 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.639 he said that there was a fear that manifested in 141 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:53.639 that room, and they actually scared them to the point 142 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:56.799 that they put across a crucifix to the doorframe, and 143 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.240 it kind of, you know, loosened its grip for a 144 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.240 period of time. Then it got stronger, and he didn't 145 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:05.000 understand it. So he went home and he had a 146 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:09.080 favorite philosopher, and this philosopher had what he called the 147 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:12.879 emblem of peace, and he placed that emblem in front 148 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:18.559 of the mirror, and instead of dissolving or dissipating, the 149 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.360 terror became incarnent to the point that he said was 150 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:25.120 almost like I could reach out and touch it. They 151 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.200 would leave the room and it would be this kind 152 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.200 of black cloud that would follow them around the facility. Finally, 153 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.480 at the end of one of their sessions, they go 154 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:37.360 to their cars. On the way out, there's a security 155 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:39.960 guard that stops them and says, listen, I don't know 156 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.440 what you've been doing out there, but there has been 157 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:46.200 a silver metallic object hovering over that building for the 158 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.679 last two hours. It was from that moment that area 159 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.159 of the world, that city became a hot spot for 160 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:59.639 UFOs so already were starting to see an interconnectivity one 161 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.320 that is widely ignored in upology, and that is the 162 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:10.039 divination is leading to aliens, extra terrestrials and UFOs. So 163 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:14.759 either aliens are being conjured through sorcery, sorcery is conjuring 164 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:19.200 something else that is wanting to appear as alien to us. 165 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:20.960 The same thing we saw with John Dne Edward Kelly 166 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.159 during one of their scrying sessions. They had this ball, 167 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.399 so it's like a ball, but as a silver object 168 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:29.159 surrounded by light, and there were small men inside of 169 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:32.159 it flying around the room staring at them. So this 170 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.360 kind of side note here. They don't want to discuss 171 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.639 that area of the research because it's the least controlled. 172 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:44.879 They don't know what they're conjuring. They don't even know 173 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.039 if they're the ones being conjured. So there are again, 174 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.360 these are these corollarias between various fields of research that 175 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:53.919 I know that's been looking at, and I don't want 176 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:56.759 to ramble cause that's where I'm at. There are connections 177 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:01.279 that we're seeing even now in modernity that point right 178 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.120 back to the concept of the phenomenon being primeval, being ancient, 179 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.720 in that it's worth us researchers looking back and saying, Okay, 180 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:14.559 if they've been aliens all along, why is it that 181 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.480 early demonologists realized that there are certain whim mars that 182 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:23.120 required the same secretions being harvested by the phenomenon. Yeah, 183 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:24.799 so these are interconnectivities. 184 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.080 Now, that's the way it is. Though demons don't like 185 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:28.159 the word demons. 186 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:33.080 Oh, it's very dark, very dark stuff, you know. I mean, 187 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.279 I can go down to a list of researchers who, 188 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:40.320 at the very end of their lives they believe they 189 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.000 have been targeted by the phenomenon, and I have no 190 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.440 reason to disagree with them. The late Paulino, before he 191 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:50.200 passed away, he put a Facebook post out saying he 192 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:55.039 started detailing people in the field, even his friends who 193 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.440 had just mysteriously died He had a mysterious illness or 194 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:02.080 some kind of hyper aggressive cancer that took them out. 195 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:05.559 And he began to question himself, right, like, is it 196 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.639 possible that the phenomenon is taking out those individuals that 197 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:11.960 are closer to the truth of the others, And so 198 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.440 it's kind of self correct and it's a control mechanism 199 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:19.759 that Jack Valet even highlighted in his work, and you 200 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:23.600 kind of take that and you compound that with some 201 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:30.799 of the threats I've received from experiencers and abductees, and 202 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:32.679 you take that. It's just that there's so many data 203 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:35.600 points here. You know. Barbraa Bartholok was told when she 204 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.759 was abducted that she was due for an adjustment, and 205 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.759 one year for Thanksgiving, she was traveling to a nursing 206 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:46.919 home and a truck just cut her off, flipped her car, 207 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:52.000 killed her husband. Doctor Carla Turner was threatened. So it 208 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.639 literally this is not me being hyperbolic here, but anybody 209 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:01.279 and everybody who starts to kind of focus, hyper focus 210 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.840 on the darker new once to the phenomenon, it comes 211 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:09.960 at a cost. You're gonna lose something. And I was 212 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.159 telling someone the other day that if it's not you, 213 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:16.000 it'll be somebody you love. And so I started to 214 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:22.600 kind of feel this overwhelming pervasive presence around me. It 215 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.919 would follow me, you know, and it was affecting my 216 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.320 mental health. And so that's why I kind of right, 217 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.480 I told you in the chat, and I even with 218 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:33.000 some of my other friends who told them like that, 219 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.320 I'm getting out, like I'm going to take a step 220 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.320 back because I'm not sure what the phenomenon is willing 221 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.159 to do. And because you at the three levels of knowledge, 222 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.080 the unknown and unknowable, I don't know how close I 223 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:49.080 end to this. I don't you know. I could be 224 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:51.200 a mile away, or I could be an ent way, 225 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.840 and so it's it's you just never really know what 226 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:58.159 phenomenon is willing to do to keep us silent. 227 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.279 I haven't explained much about my perspective on it to you, really, 228 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.720 I have had experiences when I lived in Pennsylvania. So 229 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:12.399 I lived in a small town called Whitehall, and it's 230 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:18.480 about fifteen minutes away from Allentown, Bethlehem easton Airport. And 231 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:24.399 in that area there is a huge police presence, there's 232 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:31.039 a huge Masonic presence. It's allegendly an area where it 233 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:37.919 is said that the bodies of children were buried underground, 234 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.720 child sex slaves, and other things like that from the 235 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:48.240 seventeen hundreds. Things that the Founding Fathers did, basically whatever 236 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:53.720 weird rituals they did, things like that. A lot of 237 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.840 dark stuff happened on the street right next door to me, 238 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:00.279 the house next door about twelve years before where I 239 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:04.600 moved in, A woman was in her house, her baby 240 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:10.120 was upstairs sleeping. She was downstairs cooking something on the stove, 241 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:15.480 and she went outside to get the mail or something 242 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:19.840 trivial like that, and the house exploded, and the baby 243 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.399 shot out the top of the house and landed on 244 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:25.960 the other side of the street, completely burnt to a crisp. 245 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.519 All kinds of dark stuff like that has happened around 246 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:37.039 the area. At that time, we're talking twenty sixteen, I 247 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.679 would have been doing a lot of introspection, a lot 248 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.639 of meditation and stuff like that, and I fully understand 249 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:47.440 why Christians would say that meditation is a gateway to 250 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:53.039 demonic presence. I fully understand why other different types of 251 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.879 faiths and stuff would say things like that, you know, 252 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.039 you gotta be careful, you never know who you're talking to, 253 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:03.200 things like that. Because the instant I got good at meditating, 254 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.559 I saw something that looked like a gray alien in 255 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.840 my inner vision, but like it was about to come 256 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.799 through my window. It was just watching me, and it 257 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:16.240 was almost like it it was asking the question, WHOA 258 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:18.720 this motherfucker has given awful lot of energy? How do 259 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.879 I get that? You know, That's what it felt like. 260 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.879 But the amount of paranormal experiences that I had in 261 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:32.240 that house increased one hundredfold once I started doing deep 262 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.200 meditations and stuff like that. And I wonder if there's 263 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.559 just a certain quality of person that they look for, 264 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.600 because I've had an experience where I was laying in 265 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:45.399 bed and laying on my right side, and the window 266 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:49.480 is behind me to the left, and I wake up 267 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.200 very briefly and these bright lights come through the window, 268 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.639 and then I was like, I can't even turn over 269 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.000 to see what's going on. I'm just stuck. And I 270 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.320 remember going back off to sleep sodas, but when I 271 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.559 got up the next day, I couldn't go to work 272 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:05.759 or anything like that. I was just my stomach was 273 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.839 just killing me. And nothing like that ever happened before, 274 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.039 and I don't have any recollection of what happened or anything. 275 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.440 When I was a child, I would always have these 276 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:23.119 experiences in dreams where I would feel like a craft 277 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.119 would come down above the house, and it would always 278 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.599 be the same dream sequence. I would be sitting outside 279 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.079 and it would beam me up, so to speak, and 280 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.160 I would go in and I wouldn't see any faces, 281 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.000 but I would feel presences and I would be looking 282 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.200 through this window down at the earth and this dream recurred. 283 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:43.519 It started when I was about four years old, and 284 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:47.920 it continued all throughout nine teenage years, at least a 285 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:50.519 couple times a year. So I have no idea what 286 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:55.519 any of that means whatsoever. That's what got me interested 287 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:59.519 in the phenomenon. I started like taking it seriously, except 288 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.200 that I cannot take it seriously when I hear these 289 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.319 new age people, because they're the ones that mostly talk 290 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.319 about it. I can't take Linda Molton how seriously. I 291 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.359 just I can't. I can't take anybody like that seriously 292 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.480 because it sounds like crap to me. It sounds like 293 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.880 lies to me, and truth has a particular frequency. If 294 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.440 you don't know what that frequency feels like in your body, 295 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.960 you will be gullible forever. You know what I'm saying. 296 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:28.680 Yeah, And they will keep pumping out content to you know, 297 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.400 tickle the years of the masses. And I've you know, 298 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:33.799 we've spoken about this before. I've grown disenchanted with the 299 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.920 field myself because there's it's just get to a certain 300 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:38.720 point where it's like that doesn't even smell true like 301 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:40.799 I can. Some people don't even realize you can just 302 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.720 look a thing up on the internet. Just check it 303 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.559 out right, Oh, that's that's that's factually incorrect, like the 304 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:52.279 date's wrong, and so it's just I'm with you on that, brother, 305 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:59.559 and to the point now where it's just disgusting to me, 306 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:05.039 you know, I mean, I especially with respect to demonology. 307 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.880 My first exposure to demonologis in the field were kind 308 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.119 of It was on accident. I went to a pair 309 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.680 con and within five minutes of just asking them basic 310 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:20.000 questions about systematic demonology that I realized this was just fanfare. 311 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:24.039 This is poping circumstance. It's not dedicated to the craft 312 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:28.599 of demonology or studying the phenomenon through an anti glins. 313 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.920 They didn't care. They really did not care. It was 314 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:37.480 likes follows views, and they were more of like the 315 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.039 They were doing cosplay essentially, I mean quite literally, like 316 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:42.720 plumbers throughout the week and then a priest on the 317 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:47.039 weekends whenever the para conscows and I'm looking at this 318 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.839 and I'm like, oh my god, there's no way. There's 319 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.960 no way. And this has also caused a problem with 320 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.599 me in the field because when people hear of demonology, 321 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:58.039 they think they kind of want me in with the 322 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:01.119 rest and not that I any better or any less. 323 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:04.880 I'm just different. And so when they look at me, 324 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.839 they're thinking, okay, yeah, demonologists take two prayers, call me 325 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.640 in the morning, and they think I'm kind of right 326 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:12.960 the Wikipedia version, oh okay, you know, I know a 327 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:16.720 couple of demons or demonic names, and just kind of 328 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:20.599 wrap it up from there, and I'm not. And I 329 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:26.079 kind of blew through the smoke screen early on, and 330 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:28.240 since then it kind of put a bad taste in 331 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:32.480 my mouth because when you apology looks at demonology, that's 332 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:38.400 all they see, because that's all the field is promoting, right, 333 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.599 you know, preach the callers, and it's demons, demons, demons. 334 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.680 There hasn't been a real forensic audit of systematic demonology 335 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.039 to the point where you say, okay, you know who 336 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.039 names the namers? How do we even know their names? 337 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.839 Who named that individual? And how can we trust that? 338 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.480 And so to a large degree that's been a hamper 339 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:58.440 on my own career because there are people that have 340 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:00.400 shows and stuff that are like, well, you know, you're 341 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.079 a demonology just to kind of let you up them. 342 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:04.640 They don't really give me the chance to sit there 343 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.880 in utter words and say okay, can I at least 344 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:10.240 build my theory from the ground up before you start 345 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:13.480 comparing me and contrasting me to people who take this 346 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:17.559 as a hobby and not as a calling. And for 347 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.480 that reason, you know, I don't know what to call 348 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:25.720 myself anymore. Yeah, I don't know what they are, you know. 349 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:28.839 I do certainly believe that there are key data points 350 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:32.480 that are there exists pattern confirming evidence between demonology and 351 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:39.039 whatever we're seeing today, right, And the field doesn't even 352 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:41.839 want to have that conversation, not even to entertain it, 353 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:44.920 to say, maybe they're not demonic, but maybe there are 354 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:50.559 some correlations between the two fields of phenomenology, never going 355 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:52.880 to have that conversation. We're the crazy ones. 356 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:57.039 Based on my own experiences, I mean, I've seen the 357 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.759 lights up there in the sky. So I'm back home 358 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:02.400 and Arbados, as you may know, and I live on 359 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:05.599 the beach. I've always lived on this beach, and so 360 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.160 just to the left of me is where the beach 361 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:11.319 is at, and I was looking in that direction one night. 362 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.519 I maybe I even told you this story, and I 363 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:19.519 had one like the stereotypical abduction type experience where there's 364 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:24.480 like a time distortion. My dog was oblivious to what 365 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.039 was going on. He was just interested in peeing. I 366 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:29.400 was trying to get his attention. He couldn't hear me. 367 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:33.160 It's almost like everything stopped except for me. And I 368 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:35.839 saw this light and it's probably one of the brightest 369 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.440 lights I've ever seen, just shoot up in a straight 370 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.839 line up into the sky, and then it's zigzagging all 371 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.119 across the sky, doing things that you know a plane 372 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.799 can't do or a helicopter can't do, and then it 373 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.720 just goes like this and then breaks off at an 374 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:53.839 abrupt angle and disappears into the sky. And so because 375 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.799 of these various experiences, I want to know what the 376 00:22:57.839 --> 00:22:59.440 heck is going on. And I mean it's not to 377 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.160 disprove anybody or anything. I just genuinely want to know 378 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:05.359 what's going on. But I know what's being said isn't 379 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:08.000 the truth, because you can tell. We tell when somebody's 380 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:10.279 lying to you, you can tell when somebody's blowing smoke 381 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:14.160 up your ass, And so I just that's my take 382 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.279 on it. I've had people who are for it and 383 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:20.400 swear they've been adducted, and I've had you on because 384 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:22.480 you're the only one that's saying anything that makes any 385 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.839 goddamn sense to me, because the last person I spoke 386 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:26.759 to was, well. 387 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.519 I'll take that as a compliment, brother, I needed that. 388 00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:29.680 It's been a rough one. 389 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.279 Yeah, I've been saying I've been saying a lot to 390 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:37.240 different people, and a lot of them seem to be 391 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:40.720 very fanatical about it, and they think that aliens are 392 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:43.279 here to save us, and the aliens have always been here. 393 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:47.319 And you know, I don't discredit the concept that maybe 394 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.720 there's aliens living in the middle of the Earth, maybe 395 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.200 there are other forms of life on other planets that 396 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:57.440 I have an interest. I wouldn't discredit that. But where 397 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:02.279 the fuck are they? Like, why wouldn't they show up? Yes, regularly? 398 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:04.160 Is it? Oh? 399 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:04.480 Yeah? 400 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:04.960 Yeah? 401 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:08.240