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Speaker 4: Every great player with no exception, and trust me, I've
Speaker 4: been inside their heads. They see things differently. They're so
Speaker 4: focused on the target. Their visualization is dramatic. Arnold told
Speaker 4: me the first time I work with him that the
Speaker 4: only thing that he tried to do in his golf
Speaker 4: was with his right hand. Feel like he's shaking hands
Speaker 4: and touching the target because he convects his wrists and
Speaker 4: really cleared deep, almost shaking hands with the target with
Speaker 4: his right hand. I mean, I've been at Nicholas's house
Speaker 4: when he displained how he plays the Masters, which is phenomal.
Speaker 4: Talks about looking at the trees, see where the wind's
Speaker 4: blowing in the trees, and the ripples down in the pond.
Speaker 4: Where's the flagstick on eleven, and what's the flagstick doing
Speaker 4: over on twelve? And he said, quote, Guys, it's almost
Speaker 4: like I'm in a fairy land. It's almost like I'm
Speaker 4: in this imaginary world. I just kind of feel my
Speaker 4: way along seeing the targets and the shape of the
Speaker 4: shots with the wind. And again, the average high handicapper
Speaker 4: just stands up there and hits it out there somewhere
Speaker 4: in hopes it ends up good.
Speaker 2: Your twenty seven point plan for better shot making with
Speaker 2: fitness expert Roger Fredericks.
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Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. Roger, Hey, Fred,
Speaker 2: how you doing.
Speaker 4: It's been many moods. It's good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2: It is great to talk to you again. We met
Speaker 2: years ago doing a piece for the Golf Channel with
Speaker 2: Catherine Roberts Swing Flaws and what was that swing?
Speaker 4: I think it was an eight part series. Catherine and
Speaker 4: I get on the golf channels called Swing Fault Solutions.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was, and I was the guinea pig on
Speaker 2: one of them.
Speaker 4: You were the star of one of our episodes.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it was the guinea pig. You were
Speaker 2: the star. It's a lot of fun though, and it
Speaker 2: was great to meet you. You've got a phenomenal history
Speaker 2: with the people that you've worked with. I want to
Speaker 2: you know, established who you are, what you do, who
Speaker 2: you've who you've helped, and then we'll get into how
Speaker 2: you can help us. Okay, So are you a PGA
Speaker 2: certified golf instructor? Yes, I am, okay, and but you are.
Speaker 2: Now what came first, the fitness flexibility part or the
Speaker 2: PGA teaching pro.
Speaker 4: Well, what happened was, I'll make this real quick. I
Speaker 4: had a pro golf career cut short a long time ago,
Speaker 4: back in nineteen seventy two, and I shattered a real
Speaker 4: complicated bone in my wrist, and I consequently ended up
Speaker 4: having two surgeries on that, very serious surgeries where they
Speaker 4: took bone graph ticke a bone out of my hip
Speaker 4: and transplanted that in my wrist. That didn't work. Then
Speaker 4: they put a prosthetic in there which is still in
Speaker 4: there today. And over the next maybe eight years, you know,
Speaker 4: I ended up with even more problems. I had two
Speaker 4: knee surgeries on my left knee, which is not on common.
Speaker 4: If you look at most golf injuries, most of them
Speaker 4: and the surgeries are on the left side for right
Speaker 4: handers because the less stable you know, side usually takes
Speaker 4: the brunn of and finny wears out. But anyway, I
Speaker 4: went through that probably got out of the golf business.
Speaker 4: But I had a guy look at me. And by
Speaker 4: the way, I went to countless and I mean countless
Speaker 4: orthopedic surgeons, physical trainers, rawfice herabologists helped practitions mainly for
Speaker 4: my knee, and nothing worked. And one day a guy
Speaker 4: looked at me. He was gutting Rick McDonald. He was
Speaker 4: the head trainer for the San Diego Chargers, and he
Speaker 4: just I never told him anything about myself. And he
Speaker 4: looked at me and he said, you just watched my
Speaker 4: gate And he said, hey, you must have one heck
Speaker 4: of a sore left ankle when you hit a lot
Speaker 4: of golf balls, and my ankle would swell up and
Speaker 4: my knee was history. They won't to have another surgery
Speaker 4: on my knee, but anyway, and I said, how do
Speaker 4: you know that? And he diagnosed my posture to me,
Speaker 4: and he said, your posture is horrible. At the time,
Speaker 4: I was thirty three years old, and he diagnosed my
Speaker 4: posture and then he got me completely out of pain.
Speaker 4: And guess what my golf game, which had been at
Speaker 4: one time pro tour material. Then I got injured, and
Speaker 4: then it went up to about an eight handicap. It
Speaker 4: was fifty to fifty whether I'd break eighty or not.
Speaker 4: Then I got my bat by body back in shape
Speaker 4: and I started playing great golf again, and soon after
Speaker 4: I set two course records in San Diego. And I think,
Speaker 4: wait a minute. You know I used to play. I
Speaker 4: used to be young, and you know, in a good
Speaker 4: shape and played really good golf. Then I got myself
Speaker 4: into real horrible shape, surgeries and all that, and I
Speaker 4: played bad golf. Then I get myself back into good shape,
Speaker 4: and I played great golf again. I've been playing decent
Speaker 4: ever since. It's like, hey, eventually I got into it.
Speaker 4: I made my career out of it. And right around
Speaker 4: that time, a lot of research was coming out on
Speaker 4: the biomechanics and the physiology of the golf swing, and
Speaker 4: we learned that good golf demands it has to have
Speaker 4: ample flexibility, especially in the upper trunk and anyway, So
Speaker 4: I got into that movement, got myself really flexible, and
Speaker 4: then started my own golf schools, and I used to
Speaker 4: put in besides the normal half day one day school's,
Speaker 4: private lessons, beginner schools and all that, I put in
Speaker 4: golf fitness schools. For this is back in now we're
Speaker 4: back in nineteen eighty eight, and I couldn't pay people
Speaker 4: to take them. But eventually I learned the right way,
Speaker 4: I think to market it and sell it. And I've
Speaker 4: been doing that ever since. So one thing led to another,
Speaker 4: and I started working with a bunch of tour players,
Speaker 4: mainly the senior tour guys, and you know, Arnold Palmer
Speaker 4: came across a lot of people referred Arnold to me,
Speaker 4: and so I got together with him, and then you know,
Speaker 4: he bought into it, and we really helped him a lot,
Speaker 4: and he and I he funded an infomercial for me
Speaker 4: which went on the air, him being Gary player Donica Pone,
Speaker 4: and it was called Roger Fredericks Reveals the Secrets to
Speaker 4: Golf Swing Flexibility. And the rest is kind of history.
Speaker 4: So I've been, you know, I've been mainly I asked
Speaker 4: you a question in my long winded fashion, the golf,
Speaker 4: the golf plane, and instruction came first. Then I learned
Speaker 4: that the golf swing is a demanding athletic endeavor, and
Speaker 4: then i'd you know, taken off from there. So that's
Speaker 4: kind of the story of my life in twenty five
Speaker 4: words or less.
Speaker 2: With an asterisk. It's amazing that you have helped define
Speaker 2: for everybody. Is golf a sport? I guess when it
Speaker 2: comes to injuries, Yeah, it's a sport, right, There's so
Speaker 2: many people who just be, oh, you're not. It's not
Speaker 2: just because it has a ball doesn't mean it's a sport.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean we're pro golfers, and just about
Speaker 4: all good golfers are really great athletes in that we
Speaker 4: all have super tremendous strong legs. Why because we all
Speaker 4: started the game and we're kids, and think about around
Speaker 4: the golf is about a five to seven mile walk,
Speaker 4: and we're walking eighteen twenty seven thirty six sols a
Speaker 4: day since we're little kids, you know. Plus we're in
Speaker 4: a semi squat position doing a semi lunch. We're walking
Speaker 4: on average around maybe ten to fourteen miles a day,
Speaker 4: bending over and all that. So we do this, you know,
Speaker 4: day after week after month after year after decade. We
Speaker 4: end up with incredible leg strength without even knowing it.
Speaker 4: And then we're doing this gymnastic uh you know, rotation
Speaker 4: of the spine we end up with. We're doing that
Speaker 4: millions literally of times. We end up with superb upper
Speaker 4: body flexibility, almost gymnastic, you know. So we have the
Speaker 4: super strong legs to stabilize our body and provide the
Speaker 4: power and support. We have an incredible upper body flexibility.
Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, I mean it is a sport.
Speaker 4: And you look at so many great athletes that turn
Speaker 4: to golf, and you know what do they have. They
Speaker 4: have super strong legs strength for you know, running around
Speaker 4: in their individual sport. They have great upper body flexibility,
Speaker 4: and most good athletes you know, don't have that part
Speaker 4: of a time on playing good golf. And then you
Speaker 4: have the other side of the coin where you have
Speaker 4: the average person who grew up with a real job,
Speaker 4: you know, and you know they go to work every
Speaker 4: and they're sitting down. They don't have the leg strength
Speaker 4: they don't have the upper body flexibility because they're forward
Speaker 4: rounded shoulders all that, and they come out and they
Speaker 4: really have a hard time of playing golf. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: the golf swring is a very demanding athletic endefforent. It
Speaker 4: does look like it because we're not jumping and sprinting
Speaker 4: and you know, doing a lot of burst burst speed
Speaker 4: type of stuff and all that. But it's a you
Speaker 4: got to be You have to have pretty good function
Speaker 4: in your body to play the game, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're not you're not doing any of those activities,
Speaker 2: but you are wringing your body like it's a wet
Speaker 2: rag and you're trying to get all the water out.
Speaker 2: You're just twisting it and doing things to it. You
Speaker 2: mentioned needing to have strong legs. You were saying that
Speaker 2: pro and good golfers have great strong legs, but you
Speaker 2: also just talked about having terrible posture and that that
Speaker 2: ruined your golf. So now we've got both halves of
Speaker 2: the body that are working against us as amateur golfers.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And even though over all these years, you know,
Speaker 4: I've gotten a reputation as the golf flexibility guy with
Speaker 4: Catherine and I always kid ourselves because a lot of
Speaker 4: people call us the King and Queen of golf yoga.
Speaker 2: But you have one. Roberts will fight you on that one.
Speaker 2: But that's good.
Speaker 4: But like you're saying, but the truth of the matter is, yes,
Speaker 4: the good golf swing demands flexibility and I've I've gone
Speaker 4: that route. The whole thing is I have. My whole
Speaker 4: thing is just about it's really been to get people
Speaker 4: back into proper posture. And I am one hundred percent convinced,
Speaker 4: and you can hold me to this right now on
Speaker 4: your show. A posture will be and is becoming the
Speaker 4: next big movement in health and fitness. Years ago we've
Speaker 4: seen that. We've seen jogging, we've seen AEROBICX, we've seen
Speaker 4: pilates and yoga. Last ten years it's been core. I
Speaker 4: guarantee you posture is the next thing. It is, without question,
Speaker 4: in my experience, the most neglected and a misunderstood aspect
Speaker 4: of health and fitness, and in the golf swing too.
Speaker 4: The body has one design for all of us. We're
Speaker 4: all created equal. We have the same amount of muscles
Speaker 4: and joints and the same design, and the giant design
Speaker 4: is simply this is all on my website. But design
Speaker 4: is simply to have the ear over the shoulder, over
Speaker 4: the hip, over the knee, over the ankle. And you
Speaker 4: look at little kids when you guys, when we're done
Speaker 4: at this show, I want everybody to go out and
Speaker 4: look at little children, especially up until maybe five or
Speaker 4: seven years old. They're perfect little machines. Their feet are
Speaker 4: straight ahead, their head sit right top, run on top
Speaker 4: of their clavicles, and you can drop them, throw them,
Speaker 4: you kick them. They don't break. What happens though.
Speaker 2: He can't do that anymore are.
Speaker 4: Our hunters and gatherers. We don't do that anymore. We
Speaker 4: sit down at cars and desks and computers and do golf,
Speaker 4: smarter radio shows. Sitting down, we end up out a
Speaker 4: proper posture, and we see rowdy shoulders, forward head, especially
Speaker 4: the most common one. You know. You know right off
Speaker 4: the bat. You don't need to be a rocket scientists
Speaker 4: to figure this out. When you see a person with
Speaker 4: roundy shoulder, forward head, all that means is, in layman's terms,
Speaker 4: the muscles on the front side of their body have shortened.
Speaker 4: It's tightened, and it's pulled the person forward, and then
Speaker 4: the back muscles restrict too. So when that person comes
Speaker 4: out to play golf, they try to make a shoulder turn,
Speaker 4: no comprehenitive. They can't do it because the muscles just
Speaker 4: will not expand, and then they end up compensating, and
Speaker 4: then that usually creates compensations for compensations, and then it's
Speaker 4: you know, we're in trouble. But again, I'm now verver.
Speaker 4: I'm not to say veering off, but I'm going more
Speaker 4: into the posture reconstruction restoration programs to really get people
Speaker 4: not only flexible, but get their bodies back into proper
Speaker 4: design so they can function better, not only in the
Speaker 4: golf but in their life.
Speaker 2: I would love to be able to make a living
Speaker 2: out of working out on my golf game. And but
Speaker 2: I know, of all the professional golf people that I
Speaker 2: speak to, none of them get to play golf anymore.
Speaker 2: They're too busy. But I'm a desk jockey. I've been
Speaker 2: a desk jockey for most of my thirty plus year career,
Speaker 2: so I'm sitting most of the day. Now, I'm sitting
Speaker 2: in front of computer screens. And I found that chairs
Speaker 2: and sitting at a desk has been the worst thing
Speaker 2: for my back. Of everything that's bad about my pasture
Speaker 2: and my lifestyle as far as how I hold myself.
Speaker 2: I've learned how to sleep differently, which has helped my back.
Speaker 2: But so many people use like one of those inflated
Speaker 2: balls that the big rubber balls to use as chairs, right,
Speaker 2: And I have found a chair that kind of mimics
Speaker 2: that but in it so it does engage my core
Speaker 2: and it has really helped my back. But I'm fairly
Speaker 2: certain my posture sucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, what happens when you and I are talking
Speaker 4: right now and we're sitting down the most powerful muscles
Speaker 4: in our body, the upper part of the legs, and
Speaker 4: what's called the hip flexors ILLEO sos in particular our hips.
Speaker 4: Now there, right now, you and I are actually working out.
Speaker 4: We're actually exercising because our hip flexor muscles are actually
Speaker 4: in contraction, just like if I were to you can
Speaker 4: see that if I'm going to flex my arm here,
Speaker 4: my bicyple up here in the top part is contracting,
Speaker 4: and that's what our hips are doing. And we do
Speaker 4: this again all the time, for hours a day and
Speaker 4: for years. Those muscles find me shortened, and when they shorten,
Speaker 4: they pull the pelvists forward and then what's the pelvis
Speaker 4: attached to the spine, and the spine finally starts to
Speaker 4: wear out. And what you're doing, you're on the right
Speaker 4: track because the Swiss balls are definitely they definitely help.
Speaker 4: And the best thing, though, are these stand up desks,
Speaker 4: and they're becoming more and more popular, and for good reason.
Speaker 4: You have those desks now that stand up and you
Speaker 4: put your computer up there. You don't have to sit down,
Speaker 4: and almost assuredly with most people, the bad problems will
Speaker 4: go away.
Speaker 2: Is it okay? I've got a physical coming up in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. Is it okay if I tell
Speaker 2: my doctor that you told me that I'm exercising all
Speaker 2: day along at my desk?
Speaker 4: Sure, okay, hips, But you don't know one more thing.
Speaker 4: When when we're sitting down, all of their weight, the
Speaker 4: entire all of our upper body weight is going right
Speaker 4: down where on our organs, and the organs are getting squished.
Speaker 4: Our organs in our pelvis were not designed to bear
Speaker 4: the weight our feet and legs were, and now our
Speaker 4: organs are getting squished. So when we be all that
Speaker 4: weight now plus we get one sided. You know, almost everybody,
Speaker 4: you know, most most people in our culture the world
Speaker 4: for that matter, is right handed, so you know, you
Speaker 4: over use one side of the body. Tennis players get
Speaker 4: tennis elbow, Baseball pitchers blow out the rotator cuffs, and
Speaker 4: Tommy John the golfer's milu is a tight right hit
Speaker 4: for most of us, and then that it dominates the
Speaker 4: left side. But now we're sitting down and our pilvis
Speaker 4: is out of position, and then you know, eventually our
Speaker 4: prostate for us guys starts wearing down as we get older.
Speaker 4: Women they get real tight in there. Many many women
Speaker 4: now are forced to have cea sections because the birth
Speaker 4: canal gets squished and the seed can't go up the
Speaker 4: pillopian tubes and urinary infections, you know, the urine pools
Speaker 4: and there. It goes on and on and on, and mainly,
Speaker 4: I really i'd love the statement. We don't love it,
Speaker 4: but I mean it's accurate in that I know that
Speaker 4: sitting down is really the new cigarette smoking. It's it's
Speaker 4: this is destroying our health. And we're seeing more and
Speaker 4: more and more hip and knee replacements, back surgeries, carpal
Speaker 4: tunnel I mean, shoulder surgeries that's becoming epidemic by the way,
Speaker 4: and plant our fascy eyed, his bunions falling ours all
Speaker 4: because the body's out of its design. And again it's
Speaker 4: just we're just not getting the proper motion that we should. Beginning.
Speaker 2: Is running a bad thing?
Speaker 4: Long is a wonderful thing. If your body is in line,
Speaker 4: if you if you're if your hip, knee and ankle
Speaker 4: are lined up and you're walking, you're landing heel ball tow.
Speaker 4: You can run to your heart's content. But most people have.
Speaker 4: When you see duck feet, when a person has feet
Speaker 4: that are inverted, the feet, the feet and knees tell
Speaker 4: you what's going on in your hips. And when you
Speaker 4: see a person who's running duck footed the media, the
Speaker 4: inside part of the knee now is getting you know,
Speaker 4: is getting the brunt of it. It's called joint centration.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean you're gonna blow out your knees
Speaker 4: and your hips tighten up and you get back problems
Speaker 4: and on and on and on and on. So I
Speaker 4: get asked all the time, what do I think of
Speaker 4: this exercise, this machine, this new exercise, workout or whatever.
Speaker 4: And my standard answer is are all exercise is good?
Speaker 4: And my answer is, well, pretty much, yes, Are all
Speaker 4: exercise is good for all people, no way. More and
Speaker 4: more and more people fred are coming to me, you know, Roger,
Speaker 4: I don't get it. I work out all the time,
Speaker 4: I take care of myself, and I'm still I'm still injured.
Speaker 4: My back still kills me, my knees still going out
Speaker 4: and again because their body is out of proper alignment.
Speaker 4: You see, we're seeing this on the pro golf tour.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Pro Golf Tour is becoming a mass unit.
Speaker 4: And I've written a couple of articles and done some
Speaker 4: interviews recently, be coming out pretty soon. Guy called it
Speaker 4: the dark side of the golf fitness movement. And you
Speaker 4: look at these pros out there, and everybody say in ah,
Speaker 4: what great shape they are, and they are, most of them.
Speaker 4: But you know, how about all the injuries. I mean,
Speaker 4: Tiger is the poster boys had four knee surgeries, back surgeries,
Speaker 4: I mean Achilles problems, shoulder problems, and he's only one
Speaker 4: of many. And these think about it. These kids, since
Speaker 4: they're little children, infants are hitting golf balls, you know,
Speaker 4: millions of times, and they get one sided, just like
Speaker 4: I mentioned the tennis players and baseball pitchers, and they
Speaker 4: get one sided in the right side dominant. And now
Speaker 4: they go and they get workout ors. They're trying to
Speaker 4: keep up with Tiger, and you know the rest of
Speaker 4: the guys, and what do they do. They go out
Speaker 4: and some of these guys overdo it and they work
Speaker 4: out too strenuously, a lot of them. And as I say,
Speaker 4: they're putting Ferrari engine on weak internal Volkswagen frames and
Speaker 4: you put that kind of stress on there. They're getting
Speaker 4: injured too. So you got to watch it. You've got
Speaker 4: to watch your workouts, make sure you're doing the right
Speaker 4: stuff for you.
Speaker 2: That is so interesting that for years we've been talking
Speaker 2: about the Tiger effect on the industry and now it's coming,
Speaker 2: you know, it's coming around to where the industry is
Speaker 2: struggling and courses are closing and people are leaving the game.
Speaker 2: And they're still blaming Tiger for all this. But the
Speaker 2: fact that you're bringing up the exercise element, which he
Speaker 2: changed the business, He changed the golf world by coming
Speaker 2: out being such a fine physical specimen, and now that
Speaker 2: he's deteriorating at a young age, it's like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: we didn't really sit back and watch what's happening before
Speaker 2: we get you know, and try to be exactly like him.
Speaker 2: And right now look at him. Oh wow.
Speaker 4: And even though I'm I've been propagating the golf fitness
Speaker 4: movement for mid nineteen eighties, you know, to me, it's
Speaker 4: good news bad news. And the good news is, yeah,
Speaker 4: more and more people are getting fit. They're increasing their
Speaker 4: bone density and muscle mass and flexibility, and they feel
Speaker 4: better and they're more confident, and cardio and all that.
Speaker 4: It's all good. It's wonderful. But the bad news is,
Speaker 4: you know, like I said, more and more people are
Speaker 4: getting injured. So, and I hate to be contradictory, but
Speaker 4: if you look at some of the greatest players some
Speaker 4: probably almost all of the great players in previous generations,
Speaker 4: you know, the Hogans and Sneeds and Trevinos and Nicholas's
Speaker 4: and play I mean players like Gary's an exception, but
Speaker 4: Johnny Miller, I mean, go on break down. None of
Speaker 4: those guys worked out, you know, but they got their workouts.
Speaker 4: They got their function by growing up naturally. They did
Speaker 4: grow up playing Nintendo and Xbox and you know, sitting
Speaker 4: in video and all this kind. I mean, I have
Speaker 4: a teenage son and he comes up every night. Guess
Speaker 4: where he gets his homework. It's online and they have
Speaker 4: computers in the classrooms, so we're producing I believe the
Speaker 4: sickest generation I think in this in the history of
Speaker 4: the industrialized world. I really believe that. And you can
Speaker 4: see it. And what are we seeing? More and more
Speaker 4: back surgeries? Like I said a minute ago, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's really it's really kind of scary.
Speaker 2: I think very interesting. Would you mind talking for a
Speaker 2: moment about your relationship and how where it started and
Speaker 2: how it evolved with the big three, which is obviously Arnie,
Speaker 2: Gary and Jack.
Speaker 4: Well, first it was, you know, my mentor in all
Speaker 4: this is a guy you probably heard of named p. D. Goscu,
Speaker 4: and p as far as I'm concerned, is the most
Speaker 4: knowledgeable person on the planet, you know, as far as
Speaker 4: physiology and the design of the body and all that.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I became fright. I kind of played a
Speaker 4: pretty big part in Pete's career and I got him
Speaker 4: off the road. In the old days, he just had
Speaker 4: house calls. But bottom line was, he came into our
Speaker 4: clinic and started doing his stuff and we weren't even
Speaker 4: open like I think thirty days and Phil Rogers had
Speaker 4: referred Jack to come E, Pete, and you know, so
Speaker 4: he came in there and then they were it was
Speaker 4: our second meeting. I believe their second session, and I'm like, an, awe.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to be stupid. I don't I've not heard
Speaker 2: of p D Goscue.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's right. I want to look him up. It's
Speaker 4: uh find him at egoscue dot com. But he's been
Speaker 4: Jack's trainer for so.
Speaker 2: He's a physical he's not a he's not a golf instructure.
Speaker 2: He's a physical.
Speaker 4: He's a physical trainer. But as far as I was
Speaker 4: above that, but he's uh, he has now he has clinics.
Speaker 4: I think he has close to thirty clinics all over
Speaker 4: the world called the Egoscue Pain Centers.
Speaker 2: And how do you spell goscue E E G O
Speaker 2: S c U E.
Speaker 4: Okay, But anyway, we were. I think it was Jack's
Speaker 4: second session with Pete. And Jack comes walking in there,
Speaker 4: and you know, Pete had completely gotten Jack out of
Speaker 4: pain like he does most people, and and Jack said something.
Speaker 4: Jack asked him a question. He said, Pete, why do
Speaker 4: I have this flying right elbow? And Pete doesn't even
Speaker 4: play golf and wasn't had no experience in golf, said
Speaker 4: what's the flying right elbow? And he said, well, my
Speaker 4: elbow by backswing, when flies like this, it lifts up.
Speaker 4: It doesn't fold and stay, you know, close to my site.
Speaker 4: It lifts up, and then I seem to come out
Speaker 4: of by shot. My heel comes up too high off
Speaker 4: the ground and then it slams down too hard, and
Speaker 4: I'm prone to hit pull hooks. And Pete goes, well,
Speaker 4: you know that makes sense, he said, But you don't
Speaker 4: have a flying right elbow. You have a frozen rhomboid
Speaker 4: and trap your scapula, doesn't you know, you're thick. People
Speaker 4: with thick chest up in here like Jack had and
Speaker 4: still has, thick like that don't have the range of
Speaker 4: motion and their shoulder blades. So Jack would lift up
Speaker 4: like that, he said. Now Frederick's over here, he's a
Speaker 4: more rounded shoulder, you know in those days, and so
Speaker 4: my elbow will come under my left arm. He said,
Speaker 4: it's perfectly okay. That's how you that's how you're built, Jack,
Speaker 4: and that's how Rogers built. The whole thing is basically
Speaker 4: weight shift in rotation. So you know, and those my wife,
Speaker 4: my ex wife or my wife at the time was nutritionists,
Speaker 4: and Pete would always send all of his clients to
Speaker 4: her for nutrition. So then Terry, my ex became They
Speaker 4: were still really great friends. She became Jack's nutritionist and
Speaker 4: for their family, and then so I got a really
Speaker 4: great relationship going with Jack ever since those days. Then
Speaker 4: periodically I'd run into him from time to time on
Speaker 4: the tour and then I'd videotape his golf swing and
Speaker 4: we'd look at me because he knew I understood the
Speaker 4: body so and he wanted to know that. But back
Speaker 4: to that first, I got to share this. Back to
Speaker 4: that first that session when Jack was, you know, asking
Speaker 4: Pete about his body. Jack looked at him and said,
Speaker 4: boy he said, you're telling me, then, Pete, that I
Speaker 4: physically can it's not good for me to keep my
Speaker 4: red elbow in like that. And then Pete says, correct,
Speaker 4: because you're built. You're built differently then, and Jack said,
Speaker 4: boyd he see all these years I've been criticized for that.
Speaker 4: I used to put head covers underneath my left arm pit.
Speaker 4: I'd put straps around my arm to keep more connected.
Speaker 4: And you're telling me that it doesn't matter. And Pete says,
Speaker 4: that's correct, and I'll never forget this because Jack looked
Speaker 4: at piece of boy, this is really powerful stuff. We
Speaker 4: got to get this out there and I can help you, Pete.
Speaker 4: And at that moment, right then I knew where my
Speaker 4: career was going. And we had the biggest fish in
Speaker 4: the sea out propagating the golf fitness movement, and he
Speaker 4: helped us a lot, for sure. So I have a
Speaker 4: really nice relationship with him and have for years. If
Speaker 4: Arnold out, I was on Golf Academy Live. Then was
Speaker 4: this two thousand and three, I think alother with Tommy
Speaker 4: Jacobs and John Jacobs who had just won the Senior
Speaker 4: of two thousand and three Senior PGA Championship, And I
Speaker 4: was on national television explaining how the body functions in
Speaker 4: the golf swing. And some of Arnold Palmer's people saw
Speaker 4: that I was imitating what happens to so many seniors,
Speaker 4: you know, the round his shoulder, forward head. And I guess,
Speaker 4: as a story goes, somebody Artell. He's at the Tradition
Speaker 4: Golf Club and some of the guys are said, Arnold,
Speaker 4: that's you, that's you. And then they turned to my friend,
Speaker 4: they said, can this guy help Arnold? And then he said,
Speaker 4: I'll call him. So that's how Arlie got together. And
Speaker 4: then he Arnol really bought into it. And I go
Speaker 4: down to bay Hill all the time and spend a
Speaker 4: lot of time with them where I beat him over
Speaker 4: in the desert, and then we did that infomercial together
Speaker 4: with Gary and Donna and then it was great. But
Speaker 4: he's just I learned a lot from him being in
Speaker 4: his kingdom, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet the way he.
Speaker 4: Treats people, being on the inside, the way he treats
Speaker 4: people is absolutely it's nothing short of amazing.
Speaker 2: It's legendary.
Speaker 4: It is he in an age where most celebrities are
Speaker 4: ducking the crowds and trying to get away, he's the opposite.
Speaker 4: He literally will go out of his way at bay
Speaker 4: Hill or any place and walk over to strangers and
Speaker 4: buy him a drink or sit down with them. And
Speaker 4: because he knows, he knows that when he does that,
Speaker 4: he's making those people happy, because those people are going
Speaker 4: to go home and say, wow, Arnold Palmer came over
Speaker 4: and bought me a drink, and this and that, and
Speaker 4: he knows he's helping those people in the sense, and
Speaker 4: he loves it. I mean, he loves you know, everybody
Speaker 4: loves Arnold. I can tell you something. Arnold loves them,
Speaker 4: I think even more. And it's really it's really a
Speaker 4: and I learned a lot from that about how to
Speaker 4: how to treat people. And he's an incredible guy, that's
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had an opportunity in the early mid eighties.
Speaker 2: I was doing some work around Major League Baseball and
Speaker 2: I was in a conversation with who was a hero
Speaker 2: at the time, later become vilified, Mark McGuire. And Mark
Speaker 2: would talk about how he would sign autographs at the
Speaker 2: ballpark all day long until the last kid was done.
Speaker 2: But if he's sitting at dinner in a restaurant with
Speaker 2: his family or friend, whatever, If he's a restaurant and
Speaker 2: somebody walks up to him and asks for an autograph,
Speaker 2: he says, you know, I'm really sorry, but this is
Speaker 2: my private time. And if you catch me the ballpark,
Speaker 2: no problem, but I'm not going to do that here.
Speaker 2: And he knows that people go, well, Mirke McGuire's a
Speaker 2: jerk man, you you know, So you tell the story.
Speaker 2: Arnie just loves everybody at any time, and everyone walks
Speaker 2: away going he is awesome. Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 4: I did a special show on the Golf Channel. It
Speaker 4: was Golf Academy Live. This was a two thousand and
Speaker 4: eight I think, and Arnold and I did that. It
Speaker 4: was all about, you know, the flexibility program I put
Speaker 4: him on. And anyway, the day before the show, I
Speaker 4: had to go down to the Golf Channel and kind
Speaker 4: of go over the script and the segment. There probably
Speaker 4: seven segments on that show, and I had to go
Speaker 4: over with Jerry Foltz and Jerry was the host of
Speaker 4: that show. And we sat down and Jerry starts to
Speaker 4: asking me all these questions about Arnold. Jerry said something
Speaker 4: that I'll never forget. He said, you know, somebody wrote
Speaker 4: he said, everybody I know has an Arnold Palmer story.
Speaker 4: I went, wow, I never thought about that. And the
Speaker 4: thing is, I mean every single like you just mentioned,
Speaker 4: every time Arnold's name gets mentioned to me, or they
Speaker 4: asked me how what he's like, or all that, they'll
Speaker 4: they'll go off without a story.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: I was in a bar one time in ames Iowa
Speaker 4: and it was a pro am and Arnold came in
Speaker 4: and he came over. I mean, every single person almost
Speaker 4: has a story about him, about how well you know
Speaker 4: the king traded him. It's a it's amazing.
Speaker 2: So well, I am one of those that still does
Speaker 2: not have an Arnie story. But I'm waiting. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: someday something.
Speaker 4: Schedule us and then you can go up to him yours.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about that later. And now Gary player
Speaker 2: must be a hero of yours as well of all
Speaker 2: of us. But I mean, for how old is he
Speaker 2: in his eighties yet?
Speaker 4: No, it's funny because he and I Gary and I
Speaker 4: have the same birthday. Oh do you really met him?
Speaker 4: I owned the golf school and I owned the driving
Speaker 4: range over Atapouli, Maui between let's say where nineteen ninety
Speaker 4: five and two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm playing there next week.
Speaker 4: Oh really, you lucky dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I forgot to tell you that my fee for
Speaker 4: this interview is a tu over there with you.
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, you're coming. I got. I got from calif
Speaker 2: from Oakland to Maui three hundred and sixty seven dollars
Speaker 2: round trip. How can I not go?
Speaker 4: But you gotta go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a friend who lives there and he
Speaker 2: lungs to Mali country. And so we'll get some interviews.
Speaker 2: About that in the next couple of weeks. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm really fired up to go to White my golf
Speaker 2: for three or four days.
Speaker 4: This cold weather over here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm miserable. Yeah here in California. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So Gary.
Speaker 4: I was I got because my golf school and my
Speaker 4: video stuff was right in the middle of the driving range.
Speaker 4: So the first Conna poly scene that they hated. They
Speaker 4: had the seniors there every year, and all the pros
Speaker 4: that started coming over to me and wanted me to
Speaker 4: film their swings, and then I started doing that, and
Speaker 4: then years went by that I became Every year I
Speaker 4: would work with a lot of these guys, like the
Speaker 4: Hill over seventy of them, and one of the guys
Speaker 4: was Graham, Marsh and Swampy. So anyhow, Graham had played
Speaker 4: with Gary this is nowhere in nineteen ninety seven, and
Speaker 4: they had played Gary played really bad. So they after
Speaker 4: the round, they brought him over to me and Graham said, hey,
Speaker 4: would you look at Gary, And I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: You know, Gary was really the first, you know, great
Speaker 4: player that I really worked with, and so we sat
Speaker 4: down with him, and then we got into the fitness
Speaker 4: thing and I explained some stuff to him, and then
Speaker 4: we went down and then it's been a wonderful relationship
Speaker 4: ever since. But he's we had the same birthday both
Speaker 4: November first, and so we talked about that a lot.
Speaker 4: But he Gary Player is without question, the most inspirational
Speaker 4: human being I've ever been around. I mean, he's just
Speaker 4: so upbeat and positive. It's it's just contagious.
Speaker 2: And in phenomenal shape.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's incredible. He's a little bit four with
Speaker 4: his shoulders, but he's.
Speaker 2: I asked, we won't tell him that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I asked him what he does for his workout
Speaker 4: and then he goes raja. You see, he goes every
Speaker 4: other day is my weight training day. It's I go
Speaker 4: look the heavy iron, blab blah blahdy. He gave me
Speaker 4: his whole schedule. But he does, like I think, what
Speaker 4: do you tell me? I don't remember now, but I
Speaker 4: think he does something like two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 4: push ups every other day. Oh it's something crazy like that,
Speaker 4: like five hundred sit ups, lifts weights. I mean, he's
Speaker 4: he's phenomenal to me. I mean, all these guys that
Speaker 4: were mentioning, I'm out a roll now. But all these guys.
Speaker 4: The one thing they all have in common, all of them,
Speaker 4: and they're all different, but the one thing they all
Speaker 4: have in common is how positive they're looks are. I mean,
Speaker 4: they're all so focused and positive. It's it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Well that's a life lesson for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of them, I mean, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you so much for all that history. But
Speaker 2: that's not why we're here, Okay. We're here to talk
Speaker 2: to guys like the average golfer, like me, Like you know,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm here with all this needle gear so
Speaker 2: I can ask questions of people like you. I've been
Speaker 2: following your and everybody should follow your email weekly regular
Speaker 2: email blasts, and you had one a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago which cracked me up, and I couldn't. I had
Speaker 2: to watch this moon Moon over my hammies. I just
Speaker 2: love that. What and that's just a stretching exercise. Why
Speaker 2: didn't you walk us through that? And what the benefits are?
Speaker 2: Moo over Miami?
Speaker 4: Okay, number one. I have to give credit to that
Speaker 4: to Tom House and.
Speaker 2: Tom Tom House the former pitcher.
Speaker 4: Yeah, former pitching he was Henry Aaron hit the seven
Speaker 4: hundred run you beat me to it.
Speaker 2: He caught he caught this home run that Henry Aaron
Speaker 2: hit to break Babe Ruth's record. He was the pitching
Speaker 2: coach at the time, or he was in the bullpen
Speaker 2: for the Dodgers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, I think it was it was it was Atlanta,
Speaker 4: mm hmm. But regardless, but he had Tom is that
Speaker 4: we're both on the TPI, the Titlist Performance Institute Board.
Speaker 4: I've gotten to know Tom real well. But anyway, he's
Speaker 4: a great biomechanist and a great physical trainer. I mean
Speaker 4: they're all going to him now, all the baseball pitchers
Speaker 4: and Hayton Manning, Archie and Aaron Rodgers, I mean on
Speaker 4: and on. But anyway, I prefer generally, I prefer whole
Speaker 4: body strength, extra sizes and stretching exercises rather than just
Speaker 4: to isolate a certain muscle group. The whole body is
Speaker 4: one big working unit. But anyway, because as we've been
Speaker 4: talking about, so many of us are forward all the time.
Speaker 4: That simply means that our front sides will get tighter
Speaker 4: and the backsides get weaker. But like the moon over
Speaker 4: my hammies, when we lie in your back, you know,
Speaker 4: in the so my newsletter, you dig your heels in
Speaker 4: the ground and you pike up, and that really strengthens
Speaker 4: your entire posterior chains, your calves, hamstrings, blutes, lower back up,
Speaker 4: er back, shoulders, so it really helps balance out, you know,
Speaker 4: the sedentary lifestyle. And by the way, I have to
Speaker 4: give even more credit. Tom told me because he came
Speaker 4: up with that. He stole that off of a Denny's.
Speaker 4: Denny's restaurant, a Denny's menu, there's like there's a there's
Speaker 4: a ham and eggs special. They have a dent so
Speaker 4: on that's where a moon over my handies.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. That's pretty good. Well, now that Denny's
Speaker 2: has gotten credit, we don't have to worry about anybody
Speaker 2: coming after us. You know the the video that you
Speaker 2: did for that exercise, is that available on YouTube as well?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So what I'm going to do in the
Speaker 2: show notes for today's program, I'm going to put the
Speaker 2: link to that so everyone can get a chance to
Speaker 2: see that. You can go and click on the link
Speaker 2: in the show notes. Absolutely, we do it.
Speaker 4: My whole website, so it's gonna be much more interactive
Speaker 4: where people can ask me questions, I'll interact with them.
Speaker 4: I'll be some more videos and newsletters a week and
Speaker 4: so it should be up real soon.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, Well it's fredericksgolf dot com. Fredericks is f
Speaker 2: R E D E R I c K S golf
Speaker 2: dot com. Fredericksgolf dot com. People should check that out.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, this has been an amazing lesson, but
Speaker 2: you your your last newsletter is really what I would
Speaker 2: like to focus on for our free audience here today.
Speaker 2: That would be the twenty seven point plan that you
Speaker 2: learned from somebody. This was a fascinating story with some
Speaker 2: great advice as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that most people would do this,
Speaker 4: but I don't think I know their golf games would
Speaker 4: improve incredibly. But I'll make this real quick there. When
Speaker 4: I was a kid, one of the greatest players I
Speaker 4: had ever played with, and I mean this literally and frankly,
Speaker 4: I think I've worked with over seventy tour players, seven
Speaker 4: Hall of famers, but honest to God, one of the
Speaker 4: greatest players I ever saw was a guy named Ted Richards,
Speaker 4: and nobody ever heard of him because he never turned pro.
Speaker 4: He was the nineteen fifty three US Public Links champion.
Speaker 4: He won the Southern California Amateur a bunch of times.
Speaker 4: He won the Bellair Club Championship, I think nineteen times.
Speaker 4: I mean, he was a great player. And what was
Speaker 4: so unique about him is that he never played. And
Speaker 4: I'm not exaggerating. He would he would take two months off,
Speaker 4: three months off and go out there and shoot sixty seven,
Speaker 4: sixty eight, sixty six. I mean, it was uncanny. And
Speaker 4: he always would beat me by a stroke. I mean
Speaker 4: it didn't matter where we played, he'd always find a
Speaker 4: way to beat me. And I was playing pretty good
Speaker 4: then and one day he beats me again and we're
Speaker 4: sitting there in the grill room afterwards. I said, ted,
Speaker 4: how in the world do you do it? How do
Speaker 4: you play such great golf and never play? And he said,
Speaker 4: because I have a great program. It's called the twenty
Speaker 4: seven point program. And I going like, what, what in
Speaker 4: the world is that? And he said, well, how many
Speaker 4: stances are there in a golf swing? He said about
Speaker 4: three open square clothes. How many ball positions are there, well,
Speaker 4: basic generally three forward, middle back. How many golf swing
Speaker 4: paths are there, well, three outside in, straight along and
Speaker 4: inside out. He said, if you. So he says, that's
Speaker 4: three cubed, So that that's told. That's a twenty seven
Speaker 4: different types of shots that are possible generally, I said, correct.
Speaker 4: He says, start with position. He said, everybody would do this.
Speaker 4: Go out to the range, Start in position one, which
Speaker 4: he calls open stance, ball forward outside in swing path.
Speaker 4: What kind of shot you're going to hit? So well?
Speaker 4: High slice? He said, correct? What if you do if
Speaker 4: what happens if you put the same thing open stance,
Speaker 4: put the ball back in the middle ofer stance outside
Speaker 4: in swing I said, won't be as high as a slice?
Speaker 4: He said, correct. What happens if you put the ball
Speaker 4: way back wait outside and you're I said, you're going
Speaker 4: to hit a low, big, bad or slice? He said correct.
Speaker 4: He said, if a person would go and practice all
Speaker 4: all positions, so finally you end up with the closed stance,
Speaker 4: you know, ball forward, inside out swing path, you're going
Speaker 4: to be hitting a high hook, you know, add infinitum,
Speaker 4: and he said, Now the truth is, of the twenty
Speaker 4: seven possibilities of shots, the average person will probably only
Speaker 4: hit maybe used maybe five or six. He said, So
Speaker 4: a person should go out there and find their bread
Speaker 4: and butter, what are the shots that they're that's easiest
Speaker 4: for them to do? And go play that way? I said,
Speaker 4: Now you go out in the course and you stand,
Speaker 4: you know, as you ask yourself, I mean non verbally
Speaker 4: or even verbally, ask yourself. Okay, I'm on a dog
Speaker 4: leg right here? What kind of shot do I want
Speaker 4: to hit? Well? You want to hit a medium fade?
Speaker 4: And he said when he said, you do that, and
Speaker 4: he said, you will start playing golf rather than start
Speaker 4: playing swing and he feels, And I've been on that
Speaker 4: lesson te giving a lot of lessons for a lot
Speaker 4: of years. And it's amazing to me how many it
Speaker 4: happens to me too, how many how many golfers don't
Speaker 4: even aim, don't even visualize. And you know, I started
Speaker 4: playing and tend and I would go out in the afternoons.
Speaker 4: I finally talked them into it. We'd go out every
Speaker 4: afternoon at the club in la And he said, okay,
Speaker 4: R what kind of shot you want to get here?
Speaker 4: I say, well, I've got a big, sweepy long par five,
Speaker 4: no trouble on the left. I want to hit a
Speaker 4: good hard hook. You say, hit it, and I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: I mean I played that summer, and I played probably
Speaker 4: the most consistent golf of my life. But like everybody else,
Speaker 4: you know, I start thinking about my swing and put
Speaker 4: my mind and my energy back there rather than out there.
Speaker 4: And they'll tell you if the average person would do that,
Speaker 4: it sounds hard because the average you know, the high
Speaker 4: handicapp or so many of them have a hard time
Speaker 4: even hitting them, you know, the ball solidly. But if
Speaker 4: they would start doing that, start visualizing the shot and
Speaker 4: executing it, it's amazing. It's amazing how how much they'll improve.
Speaker 4: And the smaller the target and the more your energy
Speaker 4: is focused on the target, when you miss it, I mean,
Speaker 4: you'll still end up usually with a much better miss.
Speaker 4: I love that saying that. You know, if you shoot
Speaker 4: for the moon and your miss, you'll still land upon
Speaker 4: the stars, so you'll still have a pretty good you know,
Speaker 4: dispense that you're.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had. I remember someone on the show years
Speaker 2: ago was talking about if if you focus on a
Speaker 2: target and you miss it by ten yards, that's still
Speaker 2: a pretty good shot. But if you don't have a
Speaker 2: target that you're aiming at, if you're just looking out
Speaker 2: there and not even folks on where it goes and
Speaker 2: you miss it by ten yards. That's an awful shot,
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: An old friend was one of the guys that owned
Speaker 4: our first golf school. Has got hi Ken Blanchard, doctor
Speaker 4: Ken Blanchard, the One Minute Manager, and he used to
Speaker 4: have a saying that I always love. He said, if
Speaker 4: you don't know where you're going, any road will take
Speaker 4: you there. I was like that. But back back to
Speaker 4: the thing I was talking about. All the positive attitudes
Speaker 4: and great champions and players and business people have all
Speaker 4: successful people for that. Now they're thinking the way they
Speaker 4: see things is different. But every great player, and trust me,
Speaker 4: I've been inside their heads, every great player, with no exception,
Speaker 4: all of them, they see things differently. They're so focused
Speaker 4: on the target. It's and they all do it different,
Speaker 4: but they're all so focused on the target. Their visualization
Speaker 4: is dramatic. Arnold told me the first time I worked
Speaker 4: with him that the only thing that he tried to
Speaker 4: do in his golf swing was with his right hand
Speaker 4: feel like he's shaking hands and touching the target, because
Speaker 4: you know, he convexed his wrists and really cleared deep
Speaker 4: and he was just you know, almost shaking hands. With
Speaker 4: the target with his right hand. I mean, I've been
Speaker 4: at Nicholas's house when he displained how he plays the Masters,
Speaker 4: which is normal. I mean he talks about, you know,
Speaker 4: looking at the trees, see where the wind's blowing in
Speaker 4: the trees and the ripples down in the pond. Where's
Speaker 4: the flagstick on eleven and what's the what's the flagstick
Speaker 4: doing over on twelve? And he said, quote they said, guys,
Speaker 4: it's almost like they'm in a fairy land. It's almost
Speaker 4: like I'm in this imaginary world. I just kind of
Speaker 4: feel my way along seeing you know, the targets and
Speaker 4: the shape of the shots with the wind. But honestly, Godfred,
Speaker 4: they're all like that. I mean they all see it different.
Speaker 4: And again, you know, we're talking about the average high
Speaker 4: handicapper just stands up there and hits it out there
Speaker 4: somewhere and hope and hopes it ends up good.
Speaker 2: The mid to high handicapper who has just heard your
Speaker 2: description about the twenty seven point program shouldn't just go
Speaker 2: out and start doing that. I mean, this is these
Speaker 2: are shots that you have to practice, and this is
Speaker 2: these are I would think for shots for people who
Speaker 2: are comfortable with their swing and not tinkering all the
Speaker 2: time too. Right, Well, most high handicappers and mid to
Speaker 2: high handicappers are constantly tweaking and trying to adjust their
Speaker 2: swing even during a round, thinking they know what they
Speaker 2: did wrong in the lasting is supposed to just try
Speaker 2: to get the same swing, you know, every single time out,
Speaker 2: be consistent with the swing. They keep tweaking and thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 2: the ball went right that time, so this time I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to do this, or last time I played
Speaker 2: this hole the ball went in the water, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to do a different kind of shot. And
Speaker 2: they don't know how because they don't practice that shot.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. But if they go to the
Speaker 4: driving range, that's what Ted told me to do. And
Speaker 4: I was already a good player, and when he told me,
Speaker 4: he says, go to the driving range and just start
Speaker 4: carving it out. And the thing is, even for high handicappers,
Speaker 4: believe it or not, it's not that hard. It's not
Speaker 4: that hard to do. To me. What's hard is you're
Speaker 4: trying to perfect a golf swing. And you know, frankly,
Speaker 4: like I was saying earlier, on the average the average
Speaker 4: guy who really has no flexibility, no leg strength or
Speaker 4: no you know, hand eye coordination. You know they're gonna
Speaker 4: have a hard They can't do most a lot of
Speaker 4: them can't do the things that their instructors try to
Speaker 4: teach them to do. They can't physically do it. But
Speaker 4: what happens is when you even those people, when you
Speaker 4: when they visualize a shot, you believe it or not.
Speaker 4: You know you can your body will obey your mind
Speaker 4: rather than try to get your mind to obey your body,
Speaker 4: if you know what I mean, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: it's like the old like the old Buddha. You know,
Speaker 4: the Buddha used to say, all we are is a
Speaker 4: sum total of our thoughts. That's all we are. So
Speaker 4: we can if we can think differently, we can change
Speaker 4: our behavior. And we change we change our behavior physically,
Speaker 4: then you know, we start changing our outcome, our destiny.
Speaker 2: Interesting, but when you're going out and practicing this twenty
Speaker 2: seven point program, you shouldn't try to do all twenty
Speaker 2: seven and now, well, you should just focus on a
Speaker 2: couple each time you go out and feel comfortable with
Speaker 2: it before you start taking it out to the golf course.
Speaker 4: Definitely, yeah, definitely, obviously the better point. That's a good point.
Speaker 4: But I think most people should say, you know, start
Speaker 4: with position one and start hitting some really high slight
Speaker 4: until you have that down right, and then and it
Speaker 4: won't take long. Then, like you said, move back and
Speaker 4: then go real slow. A good player can go a
Speaker 4: little bit faster because they pretty much know how to
Speaker 4: hit these shots anyway.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but most of us don't. Yeah, most of
Speaker 2: us don't even know how to don't understand shot selection.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's like you see him talk
Speaker 2: about it on the tour, you see him talk about
Speaker 2: it on TV and instructors, But when it comes right
Speaker 2: down to it, you know, and then you go, even
Speaker 2: if you do practice it at a driving range on
Speaker 2: a mat, then you get out on the golf course
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, the ball is six inches
Speaker 2: above your you know, above your feet, and you've got
Speaker 2: to make this nice high slicing shot. And it's like, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: I practice that, but not this way.
Speaker 4: It makes it very art of shot making. It's almost
Speaker 4: becoming a lost art. Yeah. The equipment today is so good,
Speaker 4: you know, and you can you can look at the
Speaker 4: club faces now on the drivers, I mean they're gigantic,
Speaker 4: you can miss it all over the club base and
Speaker 4: still hit decent shots. So you know, but I love
Speaker 4: watching guys like Bubba Watson, guys who are still shot makers,
Speaker 4: who still you know, try to work the ball almost
Speaker 4: every time. That's these guys who are just like robots
Speaker 4: and just drill it dead straight every time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he hits it far. He hits it far.
Speaker 2: To close off this episode, can you give us a
Speaker 2: tip on how to increase our flexibility?
Speaker 4: Okay, it's hard to do sitting down, but everybody, I mean,
Speaker 4: the overwhelming majority that people of people who stretch don't
Speaker 4: get flexible. And I start most of my seminars on saying,
Speaker 4: if you don't want to get flexible, if you don't
Speaker 4: want to gave improve your range of motion, if you
Speaker 4: want to stay stiff, then just get on a stretching program,
Speaker 4: And that usually gets their attention. But it's really true
Speaker 4: because if I'm going like like I'm really trying to stretch,
Speaker 4: there am I doing? I'm holding my breath and all
Speaker 4: all flexibility is is is relaxing the muscle that comes
Speaker 4: from breathing. So if I breathe like you ever been
Speaker 4: in your car and you drop your keys and you're
Speaker 4: grinding to try to reach over there and get it,
Speaker 4: you camp. But if you let go, you can actually,
Speaker 4: you know, go another who knows eight inches a foot longer.
Speaker 4: So breathing is what gets you flexible, not stretching, and
Speaker 4: when you the reason most people don't breathe is because
Speaker 4: they don't. There's a lot of reasons for that, but
Speaker 4: one is because there they breathe from up here. It's
Speaker 4: like they breathe from up here in their lungs, and
Speaker 4: the breathing has to come from your lower diaphragm. So
Speaker 4: I tell people to get fat. So if you can
Speaker 4: try to stand up here, if you get somebody to
Speaker 4: put their fingertips right on your love handles or even
Speaker 4: tie a belt or something around on your abdomen here
Speaker 4: and when you watch when I inhale, now watch what happens.
Speaker 4: And I do this all the time in front of
Speaker 4: my audience. As I say, okay, everybody, stand up, grab
Speaker 4: a partner and have the partner behind you put their
Speaker 4: hands beyond on the love handles of the person there,
Speaker 4: and take a two thirds deeper inhalation with their nose.
Speaker 4: Here's what I see. They breathe with their traps. So
Speaker 4: again I encourage everything, everybody. And as simple as the sounds,
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how dramatic it is if people
Speaker 4: would start to learn to breathe from their lower diaphragm
Speaker 4: down in here. So when you inhale, it goes out.
Speaker 4: When you exhale, it comes in. And when people get
Speaker 4: on a stretching program, they should not try to stretch.
Speaker 4: They should breathe into the stretch, or as we say it,
Speaker 4: relax into stretch. And if they would do that, they
Speaker 4: will increase their range of motion dramatically. Not to mention
Speaker 4: that they will start getting oxygen up into their head.
Speaker 4: It permeates throughout the body, and their body then starts
Speaker 4: to breathe properly. And guess what, when they breathe properly
Speaker 4: and they're breathing from the lower diaphragm, they get back
Speaker 4: into perfect posture with their shoulders over the hips, over
Speaker 4: the knees, over the feet, straight ahead. So, as simple
Speaker 4: as it may sound, breathe and breathe from the diaphragm
Speaker 4: in here and practice that. You know, most guys try
Speaker 4: to look cool down there at muscle beach, you know,
Speaker 4: And we tuck it in, and that's exactly what you
Speaker 4: don't want to do. So breathing is the key. I
Speaker 4: have a lot of videos and tips on my website
Speaker 4: that teach people how to breathe. So that's the best
Speaker 4: thing I could teach people what to do, is breathe, babe.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. And you know it's true because like when
Speaker 2: you're talking about leaning down and reaching to pick something up,
Speaker 2: most people or even stretching, they're going to hold their
Speaker 2: breath as supposed to breathe through it, right, They'll like,
Speaker 2: and then they'll try to reach it over and it's like,
Speaker 2: that's the worst thing you can possibly do.
Speaker 4: Right if you see that in golf too, I mean,
Speaker 4: now that's one of the biggest.
Speaker 2: People take a big breath and hold their breath.
Speaker 4: I get people in their setup, I said, okay, and
Speaker 4: when they're when they're addressing the ball, like here, I'll
Speaker 4: go put my hand right on their under underbelly button.
Speaker 4: I said, okay, now right, be pray, take it back,
Speaker 4: just let go, just let it not just relax. You
Speaker 4: watch a free throw shooter, what does he do you know?
Speaker 4: Or the tennis player they bounce it. I mean almost
Speaker 4: every baseball pitcher. Almost every sport, they will automatically intuitively
Speaker 4: exhale gently right before they started back. And most golfers
Speaker 4: are you know, they suck it in and tense up.
Speaker 4: So golfing will not allow tension or for life of
Speaker 4: that matter,