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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Paul Parvidus from Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I

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play a game that has a four letter name, but

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they called it golf instead. I play various courses about

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an hour's drive outside of the city. This is Golf

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Smarter number.

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Speaker 2: Four hundred and seventy nine, published on March ten, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Every great player with no exception, and trust me, I've

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been inside their heads. They see things differently. They're so

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focused on the target. Their visualization is dramatic. Arnold told

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me the first time I work with him that the

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only thing that he tried to do in his golf

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was with his right hand. Feel like he's shaking hands

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and touching the target because he convects his wrists and

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really cleared deep, almost shaking hands with the target with

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his right hand. I mean, I've been at Nicholas's house

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when he displained how he plays the Masters, which is phenomal.

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Talks about looking at the trees, see where the wind's

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blowing in the trees, and the ripples down in the pond.

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Where's the flagstick on eleven, and what's the flagstick doing

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over on twelve? And he said, quote, Guys, it's almost

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like I'm in a fairy land. It's almost like I'm

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in this imaginary world. I just kind of feel my

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way along seeing the targets and the shape of the

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shots with the wind. And again, the average high handicapper

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just stands up there and hits it out there somewhere

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in hopes it ends up good.

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Speaker 2: Your twenty seven point plan for better shot making with

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fitness expert Roger Fredericks.

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Speaker 3: This is Golf Smarter Premium.

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Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. Roger, Hey, Fred,

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how you doing.

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Speaker 4: It's been many moods. It's good to talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: It is great to talk to you again. We met

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years ago doing a piece for the Golf Channel with

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Catherine Roberts Swing Flaws and what was that swing?

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Speaker 4: I think it was an eight part series. Catherine and

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I get on the golf channels called Swing Fault Solutions.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was, and I was the guinea pig on

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one of them.

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Speaker 4: You were the star of one of our episodes.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it was the guinea pig. You were

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the star. It's a lot of fun though, and it

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was great to meet you. You've got a phenomenal history

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with the people that you've worked with. I want to

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you know, established who you are, what you do, who

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you've who you've helped, and then we'll get into how

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you can help us. Okay, So are you a PGA

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certified golf instructor? Yes, I am, okay, and but you are.

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Now what came first, the fitness flexibility part or the

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PGA teaching pro.

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Speaker 4: Well, what happened was, I'll make this real quick. I

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had a pro golf career cut short a long time ago,

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back in nineteen seventy two, and I shattered a real

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complicated bone in my wrist, and I consequently ended up

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having two surgeries on that, very serious surgeries where they

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took bone graph ticke a bone out of my hip

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and transplanted that in my wrist. That didn't work. Then

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they put a prosthetic in there which is still in

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there today. And over the next maybe eight years, you know,

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I ended up with even more problems. I had two

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knee surgeries on my left knee, which is not on common.

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and the surgeries are on the left side for right

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handers because the less stable you know, side usually takes

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the brunn of and finny wears out. But anyway, I

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went through that probably got out of the golf business.

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But I had a guy look at me. And by

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the way, I went to countless and I mean countless

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orthopedic surgeons, physical trainers, rawfice herabologists helped practitions mainly for

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my knee, and nothing worked. And one day a guy

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looked at me. He was gutting Rick McDonald. He was

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the head trainer for the San Diego Chargers, and he

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just I never told him anything about myself. And he

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gate And he said, hey, you must have one heck

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of a sore left ankle when you hit a lot

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of golf balls, and my ankle would swell up and

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my knee was history. They won't to have another surgery

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on my knee, but anyway, and I said, how do

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you know that? And he diagnosed my posture to me,

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and he said, your posture is horrible. At the time,

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posture and then he got me completely out of pain.

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one time pro tour material. Then I got injured, and

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then it went up to about an eight handicap. It

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was fifty to fifty whether I'd break eighty or not.

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and I started playing great golf again, and soon after

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I set two course records in San Diego. And I think,

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wait a minute. You know I used to play. I

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used to be young, and you know, in a good

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shape and played really good golf. Then I got myself

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into real horrible shape, surgeries and all that, and I

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played bad golf. Then I get myself back into good shape,

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and I played great golf again. I've been playing decent

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ever since. It's like, hey, eventually I got into it.

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I made my career out of it. And right around

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that time, a lot of research was coming out on

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the biomechanics and the physiology of the golf swing, and

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we learned that good golf demands it has to have

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ample flexibility, especially in the upper trunk and anyway, So

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I got into that movement, got myself really flexible, and

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then started my own golf schools, and I used to

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put in besides the normal half day one day school's,

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private lessons, beginner schools and all that, I put in

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golf fitness schools. For this is back in now we're

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back in nineteen eighty eight, and I couldn't pay people

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to take them. But eventually I learned the right way,

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I think to market it and sell it. And I've

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been doing that ever since. So one thing led to another,

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and I started working with a bunch of tour players,

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mainly the senior tour guys, and you know, Arnold Palmer

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came across a lot of people referred Arnold to me,

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and so I got together with him, and then you know,

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he bought into it, and we really helped him a lot,

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and he and I he funded an infomercial for me

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which went on the air, him being Gary player Donica Pone,

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and it was called Roger Fredericks Reveals the Secrets to

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Golf Swing Flexibility. And the rest is kind of history.

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So I've been, you know, I've been mainly I asked

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you a question in my long winded fashion, the golf,

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the golf plane, and instruction came first. Then I learned

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that the golf swing is a demanding athletic endeavor, and

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then i'd you know, taken off from there. So that's

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kind of the story of my life in twenty five

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words or less.

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Speaker 2: With an asterisk. It's amazing that you have helped define

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for everybody. Is golf a sport? I guess when it

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comes to injuries, Yeah, it's a sport, right, There's so

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many people who just be, oh, you're not. It's not

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just because it has a ball doesn't mean it's a sport.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean we're pro golfers, and just about

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all good golfers are really great athletes in that we

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all have super tremendous strong legs. Why because we all

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started the game and we're kids, and think about around

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the golf is about a five to seven mile walk,

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and we're walking eighteen twenty seven thirty six sols a

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day since we're little kids, you know. Plus we're in

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a semi squat position doing a semi lunch. We're walking

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on average around maybe ten to fourteen miles a day,

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bending over and all that. So we do this, you know,

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day after week after month after year after decade. We

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end up with incredible leg strength without even knowing it.

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of the spine we end up with. We're doing that

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millions literally of times. We end up with superb upper

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body flexibility, almost gymnastic, you know. So we have the

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super strong legs to stabilize our body and provide the

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power and support. We have an incredible upper body flexibility.

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to golf, and you know what do they have. They

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have super strong legs strength for you know, running around

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in their individual sport. They have great upper body flexibility,

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and most good athletes you know, don't have that part

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of a time on playing good golf. And then you

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have the other side of the coin where you have

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the average person who grew up with a real job,

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you know, and you know they go to work every

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and they're sitting down. They don't have the leg strength

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they don't have the upper body flexibility because they're forward

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rounded shoulders all that, and they come out and they

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really have a hard time of playing golf. So, yeah,

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the golf swring is a very demanding athletic endefforent. It

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does look like it because we're not jumping and sprinting

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and you know, doing a lot of burst burst speed

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type of stuff and all that. But it's a you

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got to be You have to have pretty good function

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in your body to play the game, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you're not you're not doing any of those activities,

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but you are wringing your body like it's a wet

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rag and you're trying to get all the water out.

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You're just twisting it and doing things to it. You

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mentioned needing to have strong legs. You were saying that

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pro and good golfers have great strong legs, but you

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also just talked about having terrible posture and that that

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ruined your golf. So now we've got both halves of

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the body that are working against us as amateur golfers.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And even though over all these years, you know,

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I've gotten a reputation as the golf flexibility guy with

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Catherine and I always kid ourselves because a lot of

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people call us the King and Queen of golf yoga.

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Speaker 2: But you have one. Roberts will fight you on that one.

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Speaker 4: But like you're saying, but the truth of the matter is, yes,

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the good golf swing demands flexibility and I've I've gone

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that route. The whole thing is I have. My whole

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thing is just about it's really been to get people

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back into proper posture. And I am one hundred percent convinced,

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and you can hold me to this right now on

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your show. A posture will be and is becoming the

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next big movement in health and fitness. Years ago we've

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seen that. We've seen jogging, we've seen AEROBICX, we've seen

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pilates and yoga. Last ten years it's been core. I

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guarantee you posture is the next thing. It is, without question,

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in my experience, the most neglected and a misunderstood aspect

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of health and fitness, and in the golf swing too.

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The body has one design for all of us. We're

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all created equal. We have the same amount of muscles

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and joints and the same design, and the giant design

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is simply this is all on my website. But design

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is simply to have the ear over the shoulder, over

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the hip, over the knee, over the ankle. And you

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look at little kids when you guys, when we're done

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at this show, I want everybody to go out and

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look at little children, especially up until maybe five or

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seven years old. They're perfect little machines. Their feet are

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straight ahead, their head sit right top, run on top

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of their clavicles, and you can drop them, throw them,

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you kick them. They don't break. What happens though.

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Speaker 2: He can't do that anymore are.

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Speaker 4: Our hunters and gatherers. We don't do that anymore. We

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sit down at cars and desks and computers and do golf,

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smarter radio shows. Sitting down, we end up out a

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proper posture, and we see rowdy shoulders, forward head, especially

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the most common one. You know. You know right off

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the bat. You don't need to be a rocket scientists

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to figure this out. When you see a person with

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roundy shoulder, forward head, all that means is, in layman's terms,

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the muscles on the front side of their body have shortened.

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It's tightened, and it's pulled the person forward, and then

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the back muscles restrict too. So when that person comes

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out to play golf, they try to make a shoulder turn,

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no comprehenitive. They can't do it because the muscles just

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will not expand, and then they end up compensating, and

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then that usually creates compensations for compensations, and then it's

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you know, we're in trouble. But again, I'm now verver.

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I'm not to say veering off, but I'm going more

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into the posture reconstruction restoration programs to really get people

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not only flexible, but get their bodies back into proper

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design so they can function better, not only in the

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golf but in their life.

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Speaker 2: I would love to be able to make a living

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out of working out on my golf game. And but

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I know, of all the professional golf people that I

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speak to, none of them get to play golf anymore.

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They're too busy. But I'm a desk jockey. I've been

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a desk jockey for most of my thirty plus year career,

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so I'm sitting most of the day. Now, I'm sitting

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in front of computer screens. And I found that chairs

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and sitting at a desk has been the worst thing

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for my back. Of everything that's bad about my pasture

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and my lifestyle as far as how I hold myself.

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I've learned how to sleep differently, which has helped my back.

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But so many people use like one of those inflated

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balls that the big rubber balls to use as chairs, right,

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And I have found a chair that kind of mimics

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that but in it so it does engage my core

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and it has really helped my back. But I'm fairly

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certain my posture sucks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, what happens when you and I are talking

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right now and we're sitting down the most powerful muscles

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in our body, the upper part of the legs, and

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what's called the hip flexors ILLEO sos in particular our hips.

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We're actually exercising because our hip flexor muscles are actually

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in contraction, just like if I were to you can

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see that if I'm going to flex my arm here,

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my bicyple up here in the top part is contracting,

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and that's what our hips are doing. And we do

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this again all the time, for hours a day and

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for years. Those muscles find me shortened, and when they shorten,

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they pull the pelvists forward and then what's the pelvis

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attached to the spine, and the spine finally starts to

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wear out. And what you're doing, you're on the right

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track because the Swiss balls are definitely they definitely help.

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And the best thing, though, are these stand up desks,

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and they're becoming more and more popular, and for good reason.

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You have those desks now that stand up and you

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put your computer up there. You don't have to sit down,

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and almost assuredly with most people, the bad problems will

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go away.

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Speaker 2: Is it okay? I've got a physical coming up in

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a couple of weeks. Is it okay if I tell

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my doctor that you told me that I'm exercising all

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day along at my desk?

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Speaker 4: Sure, okay, hips, But you don't know one more thing.

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When when we're sitting down, all of their weight, the

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entire all of our upper body weight is going right

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down where on our organs, and the organs are getting squished.

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Our organs in our pelvis were not designed to bear

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the weight our feet and legs were, and now our

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organs are getting squished. So when we be all that

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weight now plus we get one sided. You know, almost everybody,

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you know, most most people in our culture the world

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for that matter, is right handed, so you know, you

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over use one side of the body. Tennis players get

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tennis elbow, Baseball pitchers blow out the rotator cuffs, and

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Tommy John the golfer's milu is a tight right hit

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for most of us, and then that it dominates the

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left side. But now we're sitting down and our pilvis

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is out of position, and then you know, eventually our

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prostate for us guys starts wearing down as we get older.

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Women they get real tight in there. Many many women

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now are forced to have cea sections because the birth

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canal gets squished and the seed can't go up the

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pillopian tubes and urinary infections, you know, the urine pools

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and there. It goes on and on and on, and mainly,

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I really i'd love the statement. We don't love it,

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but I mean it's accurate in that I know that

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sitting down is really the new cigarette smoking. It's it's

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this is destroying our health. And we're seeing more and

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more and more hip and knee replacements, back surgeries, carpal

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tunnel I mean, shoulder surgeries that's becoming epidemic by the way,

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and plant our fascy eyed, his bunions falling ours all

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because the body's out of its design. And again it's

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just we're just not getting the proper motion that we should. Beginning.

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Speaker 2: Is running a bad thing?

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Speaker 4: Long is a wonderful thing. If your body is in line,

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if you if you're if your hip, knee and ankle

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are lined up and you're walking, you're landing heel ball tow.

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You can run to your heart's content. But most people have.

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When you see duck feet, when a person has feet

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that are inverted, the feet, the feet and knees tell

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you what's going on in your hips. And when you

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see a person who's running duck footed the media, the

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inside part of the knee now is getting you know,

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is getting the brunt of it. It's called joint centration.

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So yeah, I mean you're gonna blow out your knees

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and your hips tighten up and you get back problems

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and on and on and on and on. So I

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get asked all the time, what do I think of

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this exercise, this machine, this new exercise, workout or whatever.

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And my standard answer is are all exercise is good?

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And my answer is, well, pretty much, yes, Are all

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exercise is good for all people, no way. More and

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more and more people fred are coming to me, you know, Roger,

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I don't get it. I work out all the time,

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I take care of myself, and I'm still I'm still injured.

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My back still kills me, my knees still going out

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and again because their body is out of proper alignment.

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You see, we're seeing this on the pro golf tour.

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I mean, the Pro Golf Tour is becoming a mass unit.

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And I've written a couple of articles and done some

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interviews recently, be coming out pretty soon. Guy called it

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the dark side of the golf fitness movement. And you

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look at these pros out there, and everybody say in ah,

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what great shape they are, and they are, most of them.

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But you know, how about all the injuries. I mean,

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Tiger is the poster boys had four knee surgeries, back surgeries,

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I mean Achilles problems, shoulder problems, and he's only one

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of many. And these think about it. These kids, since

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they're little children, infants are hitting golf balls, you know,

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millions of times, and they get one sided, just like

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I mentioned the tennis players and baseball pitchers, and they

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get one sided in the right side dominant. And now

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they go and they get workout ors. They're trying to

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keep up with Tiger, and you know the rest of

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the guys, and what do they do. They go out

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and some of these guys overdo it and they work

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out too strenuously, a lot of them. And as I say,

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they're putting Ferrari engine on weak internal Volkswagen frames and

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you put that kind of stress on there. They're getting

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injured too. So you got to watch it. You've got

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to watch your workouts, make sure you're doing the right

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stuff for you.

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Speaker 2: That is so interesting that for years we've been talking

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about the Tiger effect on the industry and now it's coming,

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you know, it's coming around to where the industry is

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struggling and courses are closing and people are leaving the game.

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And they're still blaming Tiger for all this. But the

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fact that you're bringing up the exercise element, which he

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changed the business, He changed the golf world by coming

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out being such a fine physical specimen, and now that

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he's deteriorating at a young age, it's like, oh wait,

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we didn't really sit back and watch what's happening before

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we get you know, and try to be exactly like him.

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And right now look at him. Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: And even though I'm I've been propagating the golf fitness

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movement for mid nineteen eighties, you know, to me, it's

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good news bad news. And the good news is, yeah,

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more and more people are getting fit. They're increasing their

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bone density and muscle mass and flexibility, and they feel

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better and they're more confident, and cardio and all that.

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It's all good. It's wonderful. But the bad news is,

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you know, like I said, more and more people are

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getting injured. So, and I hate to be contradictory, but

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if you look at some of the greatest players some

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probably almost all of the great players in previous generations,

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you know, the Hogans and Sneeds and Trevinos and Nicholas's

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and play I mean players like Gary's an exception, but

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Johnny Miller, I mean, go on break down. None of

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those guys worked out, you know, but they got their workouts.

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They got their function by growing up naturally. They did

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grow up playing Nintendo and Xbox and you know, sitting

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in video and all this kind. I mean, I have

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a teenage son and he comes up every night. Guess

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where he gets his homework. It's online and they have

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computers in the classrooms, so we're producing I believe the

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sickest generation I think in this in the history of

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the industrialized world. I really believe that. And you can

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see it. And what are we seeing? More and more

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back surgeries? Like I said a minute ago, I mean,

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it's really it's really kind of scary.

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Speaker 2: I think very interesting. Would you mind talking for a

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moment about your relationship and how where it started and

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how it evolved with the big three, which is obviously Arnie,

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Gary and Jack.

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Speaker 4: Well, first it was, you know, my mentor in all

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this is a guy you probably heard of named p. D. Goscu,

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and p as far as I'm concerned, is the most

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knowledgeable person on the planet, you know, as far as

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physiology and the design of the body and all that.

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But anyway, I became fright. I kind of played a

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pretty big part in Pete's career and I got him

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off the road. In the old days, he just had

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house calls. But bottom line was, he came into our

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clinic and started doing his stuff and we weren't even

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open like I think thirty days and Phil Rogers had

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referred Jack to come E, Pete, and you know, so

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he came in there and then they were it was

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our second meeting. I believe their second session, and I'm like, an, awe.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry to be stupid. I don't I've not heard

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of p D Goscue.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's right. I want to look him up. It's

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uh find him at egoscue dot com. But he's been

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Jack's trainer for so.

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Speaker 2: He's a physical he's not a he's not a golf instructure.

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He's a physical.

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Speaker 4: He's a physical trainer. But as far as I was

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above that, but he's uh, he has now he has clinics.

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I think he has close to thirty clinics all over

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the world called the Egoscue Pain Centers.

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Speaker 2: And how do you spell goscue E E G O

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S c U E.

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Speaker 4: Okay, But anyway, we were. I think it was Jack's

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second session with Pete. And Jack comes walking in there,

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and you know, Pete had completely gotten Jack out of

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pain like he does most people, and and Jack said something.

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Jack asked him a question. He said, Pete, why do

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I have this flying right elbow? And Pete doesn't even

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play golf and wasn't had no experience in golf, said

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what's the flying right elbow? And he said, well, my

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elbow by backswing, when flies like this, it lifts up.

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It doesn't fold and stay, you know, close to my site.

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It lifts up, and then I seem to come out

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of by shot. My heel comes up too high off

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the ground and then it slams down too hard, and

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I'm prone to hit pull hooks. And Pete goes, well,

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you know that makes sense, he said, But you don't

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have a flying right elbow. You have a frozen rhomboid

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and trap your scapula, doesn't you know, you're thick. People

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with thick chest up in here like Jack had and

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still has, thick like that don't have the range of

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motion and their shoulder blades. So Jack would lift up

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like that, he said. Now Frederick's over here, he's a

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more rounded shoulder, you know in those days, and so

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my elbow will come under my left arm. He said,

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it's perfectly okay. That's how you that's how you're built, Jack,

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and that's how Rogers built. The whole thing is basically

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weight shift in rotation. So you know, and those my wife,

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my ex wife or my wife at the time was nutritionists,

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and Pete would always send all of his clients to

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her for nutrition. So then Terry, my ex became They

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were still really great friends. She became Jack's nutritionist and

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for their family, and then so I got a really

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great relationship going with Jack ever since those days. Then

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periodically I'd run into him from time to time on

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the tour and then I'd videotape his golf swing and

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we'd look at me because he knew I understood the

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body so and he wanted to know that. But back

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to that first, I got to share this. Back to

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that first that session when Jack was, you know, asking

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Pete about his body. Jack looked at him and said,

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boy he said, you're telling me, then, Pete, that I

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physically can it's not good for me to keep my

473
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red elbow in like that. And then Pete says, correct,

474
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because you're built. You're built differently then, and Jack said,

475
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,799
boyd he see all these years I've been criticized for that.

476
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,799
I used to put head covers underneath my left arm pit.

477
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,079
I'd put straps around my arm to keep more connected.

478
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And you're telling me that it doesn't matter. And Pete says,

479
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,880
that's correct, and I'll never forget this because Jack looked

480
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,519
at piece of boy, this is really powerful stuff. We

481
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000
got to get this out there and I can help you, Pete.

482
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And at that moment, right then I knew where my

483
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,720
career was going. And we had the biggest fish in

484
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:32,720
the sea out propagating the golf fitness movement, and he

485
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,400
helped us a lot, for sure. So I have a

486
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,559
really nice relationship with him and have for years. If

487
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,079
Arnold out, I was on Golf Academy Live. Then was

488
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this two thousand and three, I think alother with Tommy

489
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Jacobs and John Jacobs who had just won the Senior

490
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,000
of two thousand and three Senior PGA Championship, And I

491
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,200
was on national television explaining how the body functions in

492
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the golf swing. And some of Arnold Palmer's people saw

493
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that I was imitating what happens to so many seniors,

494
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,440
you know, the round his shoulder, forward head. And I guess,

495
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,440
as a story goes, somebody Artell. He's at the Tradition

496
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:12,880
Golf Club and some of the guys are said, Arnold,

497
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,319
that's you, that's you. And then they turned to my friend,

498
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,400
they said, can this guy help Arnold? And then he said,

499
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,400
I'll call him. So that's how Arlie got together. And

500
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,279
then he Arnol really bought into it. And I go

501
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,039
down to bay Hill all the time and spend a

502
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:26,599
lot of time with them where I beat him over

503
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:29,480
in the desert, and then we did that infomercial together

504
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,880
with Gary and Donna and then it was great. But

505
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,240
he's just I learned a lot from him being in

506
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,480
his kingdom, that's for sure.

507
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Speaker 2: Oh, I bet the way he.

508
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,519
Speaker 4: Treats people, being on the inside, the way he treats

509
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:45,720
people is absolutely it's nothing short of amazing.

510
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: It's legendary.

511
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 4: It is he in an age where most celebrities are

512
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,440
ducking the crowds and trying to get away, he's the opposite.

513
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,319
He literally will go out of his way at bay

514
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,440
Hill or any place and walk over to strangers and

515
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,359
buy him a drink or sit down with them. And

516
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,559
because he knows, he knows that when he does that,

517
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,599
he's making those people happy, because those people are going

518
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,680
to go home and say, wow, Arnold Palmer came over

519
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,319
and bought me a drink, and this and that, and

520
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,480
he knows he's helping those people in the sense, and

521
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,440
he loves it. I mean, he loves you know, everybody

522
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:23,799
loves Arnold. I can tell you something. Arnold loves them,

523
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,200
I think even more. And it's really it's really a

524
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,559
and I learned a lot from that about how to

525
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:32,160
how to treat people. And he's an incredible guy, that's

526
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,599
for sure.

527
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had an opportunity in the early mid eighties.

528
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,720
I was doing some work around Major League Baseball and

529
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,920
I was in a conversation with who was a hero

530
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:47,559
at the time, later become vilified, Mark McGuire. And Mark

531
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,640
would talk about how he would sign autographs at the

532
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,640
ballpark all day long until the last kid was done.

533
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,200
But if he's sitting at dinner in a restaurant with

534
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:01,079
his family or friend, whatever, If he's a restaurant and

535
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,559
somebody walks up to him and asks for an autograph,

536
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,000
he says, you know, I'm really sorry, but this is

537
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,200
my private time. And if you catch me the ballpark,

538
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,680
no problem, but I'm not going to do that here.

539
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,960
And he knows that people go, well, Mirke McGuire's a

540
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,359
jerk man, you you know, So you tell the story.

541
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Arnie just loves everybody at any time, and everyone walks

542
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,079
away going he is awesome. Yeah, amazing.

543
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,799
Speaker 4: I did a special show on the Golf Channel. It

544
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,720
was Golf Academy Live. This was a two thousand and

545
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,039
eight I think, and Arnold and I did that. It

546
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,920
was all about, you know, the flexibility program I put

547
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,799
him on. And anyway, the day before the show, I

548
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,799
had to go down to the Golf Channel and kind

549
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:49,039
of go over the script and the segment. There probably

550
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:51,599
seven segments on that show, and I had to go

551
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,519
over with Jerry Foltz and Jerry was the host of

552
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,759
that show. And we sat down and Jerry starts to

553
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:01,079
asking me all these questions about Arnold. Jerry said something

554
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:03,200
that I'll never forget. He said, you know, somebody wrote

555
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880
he said, everybody I know has an Arnold Palmer story.

556
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:10,519
I went, wow, I never thought about that. And the

557
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:13,839
thing is, I mean every single like you just mentioned,

558
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:17,559
every time Arnold's name gets mentioned to me, or they

559
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,079
asked me how what he's like, or all that, they'll

560
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:21,440
they'll go off without a story.

561
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:21,839
Speaker 1: Well.

562
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: I was in a bar one time in ames Iowa

563
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:26,960
and it was a pro am and Arnold came in

564
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
and he came over. I mean, every single person almost

565
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,400
has a story about him, about how well you know

566
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,599
the king traded him. It's a it's amazing.

567
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,319
Speaker 2: So well, I am one of those that still does

568
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:42,720
not have an Arnie story. But I'm waiting. Okay, Well,

569
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:45,200
someday something.

570
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:50,759
Speaker 4: Schedule us and then you can go up to him yours.

571
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:54,799
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about that later. And now Gary player

572
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,880
must be a hero of yours as well of all

573
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,359
of us. But I mean, for how old is he

574
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,279
in his eighties yet?

575
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,319
Speaker 4: No, it's funny because he and I Gary and I

576
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,039
have the same birthday. Oh do you really met him?

577
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:10,839
I owned the golf school and I owned the driving

578
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,160
range over Atapouli, Maui between let's say where nineteen ninety

579
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,319
five and two thousand and two.

580
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,799
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm playing there next week.

581
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:20,799
Speaker 4: Oh really, you lucky dog.

582
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:21,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

583
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: Well, I forgot to tell you that my fee for

584
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,039
this interview is a tu over there with you.

585
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,279
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, you're coming. I got. I got from calif

586
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,279
from Oakland to Maui three hundred and sixty seven dollars

587
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,079
round trip. How can I not go?

588
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: But you gotta go.

589
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a friend who lives there and he

590
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,680
lungs to Mali country. And so we'll get some interviews.

591
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,640
About that in the next couple of weeks. But yeah,

592
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,160
I'm really fired up to go to White my golf

593
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,319
for three or four days.

594
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: This cold weather over here.

595
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:51,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm miserable. Yeah here in California. Yeah. Anyway,

596
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,359
So Gary.

597
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,759
Speaker 4: I was I got because my golf school and my

598
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,119
video stuff was right in the middle of the driving range.

599
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,559
So the first Conna poly scene that they hated. They

600
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:05,160
had the seniors there every year, and all the pros

601
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,920
that started coming over to me and wanted me to

602
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,480
film their swings, and then I started doing that, and

603
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,359
then years went by that I became Every year I

604
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,240
would work with a lot of these guys, like the

605
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:17,759
Hill over seventy of them, and one of the guys

606
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:23,279
was Graham, Marsh and Swampy. So anyhow, Graham had played

607
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:26,559
with Gary this is nowhere in nineteen ninety seven, and

608
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,240
they had played Gary played really bad. So they after

609
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,000
the round, they brought him over to me and Graham said, hey,

610
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,599
would you look at Gary, And I'm like, oh my god.

611
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:40,200
You know, Gary was really the first, you know, great

612
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,759
player that I really worked with, and so we sat

613
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,920
down with him, and then we got into the fitness

614
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,680
thing and I explained some stuff to him, and then

615
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,599
we went down and then it's been a wonderful relationship

616
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,279
ever since. But he's we had the same birthday both

617
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,359
November first, and so we talked about that a lot.

618
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,720
But he Gary Player is without question, the most inspirational

619
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,680
human being I've ever been around. I mean, he's just

620
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,160
so upbeat and positive. It's it's just contagious.

621
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Speaker 2: And in phenomenal shape.

622
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's incredible. He's a little bit four with

623
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,279
his shoulders, but he's.

624
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,759
Speaker 2: I asked, we won't tell him that.

625
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,599
Speaker 4: Yeah. I asked him what he does for his workout

626
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,519
and then he goes raja. You see, he goes every

627
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,839
other day is my weight training day. It's I go

628
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,839
look the heavy iron, blab blah blahdy. He gave me

629
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,240
his whole schedule. But he does, like I think, what

630
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,200
do you tell me? I don't remember now, but I

631
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,599
think he does something like two hundred and seventy five

632
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,720
push ups every other day. Oh it's something crazy like that,

633
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,440
like five hundred sit ups, lifts weights. I mean, he's

634
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,319
he's phenomenal to me. I mean, all these guys that

635
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,319
were mentioning, I'm out a roll now. But all these guys.

636
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,559
The one thing they all have in common, all of them,

637
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:57,960
and they're all different, but the one thing they all

638
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,880
have in common is how positive they're looks are. I mean,

639
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,039
they're all so focused and positive. It's it's amazing.

640
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:07,799
Speaker 2: Well that's a life lesson for you.

641
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of them, I mean, no doubt about it.

642
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:19,039
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you so much for all that history. But

643
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,519
that's not why we're here, Okay. We're here to talk

644
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:26,559
to guys like the average golfer, like me, Like you know,

645
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,519
it's like I'm here with all this needle gear so

646
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:33,039
I can ask questions of people like you. I've been

647
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:38,000
following your and everybody should follow your email weekly regular

648
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,159
email blasts, and you had one a couple of weeks

649
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,119
ago which cracked me up, and I couldn't. I had

650
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:51,159
to watch this moon Moon over my hammies. I just

651
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,719
love that. What and that's just a stretching exercise. Why

652
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,639
didn't you walk us through that? And what the benefits are?

653
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Moo over Miami?

654
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 4: Okay, number one. I have to give credit to that

655
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,280
to Tom House and.

656
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Tom Tom House the former pitcher.

657
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, former pitching he was Henry Aaron hit the seven

658
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,119
hundred run you beat me to it.

659
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: He caught he caught this home run that Henry Aaron

660
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,360
hit to break Babe Ruth's record. He was the pitching

661
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,000
coach at the time, or he was in the bullpen

662
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,480
for the Dodgers.

663
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, I think it was it was it was Atlanta,

664
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,599
mm hmm. But regardless, but he had Tom is that

665
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,199
we're both on the TPI, the Titlist Performance Institute Board.

666
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:44,400
I've gotten to know Tom real well. But anyway, he's

667
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,119
a great biomechanist and a great physical trainer. I mean

668
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,440
they're all going to him now, all the baseball pitchers

669
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,480
and Hayton Manning, Archie and Aaron Rodgers, I mean on

670
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:57,920
and on. But anyway, I prefer generally, I prefer whole

671
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:03,119
body strength, extra sizes and stretching exercises rather than just

672
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,920
to isolate a certain muscle group. The whole body is

673
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,360
one big working unit. But anyway, because as we've been

674
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,400
talking about, so many of us are forward all the time.

675
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,519
That simply means that our front sides will get tighter

676
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,519
and the backsides get weaker. But like the moon over

677
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:23,719
my hammies, when we lie in your back, you know,

678
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,280
in the so my newsletter, you dig your heels in

679
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,000
the ground and you pike up, and that really strengthens

680
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,119
your entire posterior chains, your calves, hamstrings, blutes, lower back up,

681
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,960
er back, shoulders, so it really helps balance out, you know,

682
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,840
the sedentary lifestyle. And by the way, I have to

683
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,519
give even more credit. Tom told me because he came

684
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:49,400
up with that. He stole that off of a Denny's.

685
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:56,039
Denny's restaurant, a Denny's menu, there's like there's a there's

686
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,840
a ham and eggs special. They have a dent so

687
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,079
on that's where a moon over my handies.

688
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. That's pretty good. Well, now that Denny's

689
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,000
has gotten credit, we don't have to worry about anybody

690
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,079
coming after us. You know the the video that you

691
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,320
did for that exercise, is that available on YouTube as well?

692
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 4: It is?

693
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So what I'm going to do in the

694
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,480
show notes for today's program, I'm going to put the

695
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:20,880
link to that so everyone can get a chance to

696
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,679
see that. You can go and click on the link

697
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,760
in the show notes. Absolutely, we do it.

698
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 4: My whole website, so it's gonna be much more interactive

699
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,719
where people can ask me questions, I'll interact with them.

700
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,800
I'll be some more videos and newsletters a week and

701
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,320
so it should be up real soon.

702
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: Okay, great, Well it's fredericksgolf dot com. Fredericks is f

703
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:43,480
R E D E R I c K S golf

704
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:46,480
dot com. Fredericksgolf dot com. People should check that out.

705
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:52,039
All right, Well, this has been an amazing lesson, but

706
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:56,679
you your your last newsletter is really what I would

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like to focus on for our free audience here today.

708
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,159
That would be the twenty seven point plan that you

709
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,840
learned from somebody. This was a fascinating story with some

710
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,280
great advice as well.

711
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that most people would do this,

712
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,639
but I don't think I know their golf games would

713
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,960
improve incredibly. But I'll make this real quick there. When

714
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,360
I was a kid, one of the greatest players I

715
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,320
had ever played with, and I mean this literally and frankly,

716
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,199
I think I've worked with over seventy tour players, seven

717
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,320
Hall of famers, but honest to God, one of the

718
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,559
greatest players I ever saw was a guy named Ted Richards,

719
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,400
and nobody ever heard of him because he never turned pro.

720
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,760
He was the nineteen fifty three US Public Links champion.

721
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,960
He won the Southern California Amateur a bunch of times.

722
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,480
He won the Bellair Club Championship, I think nineteen times.

723
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,559
I mean, he was a great player. And what was

724
00:38:54,599 --> 00:39:00,119
so unique about him is that he never played. And

725
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,480
I'm not exaggerating. He would he would take two months off,

726
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:06,239
three months off and go out there and shoot sixty seven,

727
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,760
sixty eight, sixty six. I mean, it was uncanny. And

728
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:12,760
he always would beat me by a stroke. I mean

729
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,719
it didn't matter where we played, he'd always find a

730
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,920
way to beat me. And I was playing pretty good

731
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,800
then and one day he beats me again and we're

732
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,320
sitting there in the grill room afterwards. I said, ted,

733
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,639
how in the world do you do it? How do

734
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:28,760
you play such great golf and never play? And he said,

735
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,039
because I have a great program. It's called the twenty

736
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,800
seven point program. And I going like, what, what in

737
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,000
the world is that? And he said, well, how many

738
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,760
stances are there in a golf swing? He said about

739
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,400
three open square clothes. How many ball positions are there, well,

740
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:48,679
basic generally three forward, middle back. How many golf swing

741
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,400
paths are there, well, three outside in, straight along and

742
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,199
inside out. He said, if you. So he says, that's

743
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,360
three cubed, So that that's told. That's a twenty seven

744
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:05,400
different types of shots that are possible generally, I said, correct.

745
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,239
He says, start with position. He said, everybody would do this.

746
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,000
Go out to the range, Start in position one, which

747
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:15,480
he calls open stance, ball forward outside in swing path.

748
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,000
What kind of shot you're going to hit? So well?

749
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,320
High slice? He said, correct? What if you do if

750
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,280
what happens if you put the same thing open stance,

751
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,519
put the ball back in the middle ofer stance outside

752
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,760
in swing I said, won't be as high as a slice?

753
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,039
He said, correct. What happens if you put the ball

754
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,119
way back wait outside and you're I said, you're going

755
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,920
to hit a low, big, bad or slice? He said correct.

756
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:42,639
He said, if a person would go and practice all

757
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,320
all positions, so finally you end up with the closed stance,

758
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,679
you know, ball forward, inside out swing path, you're going

759
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,400
to be hitting a high hook, you know, add infinitum,

760
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,000
and he said, Now the truth is, of the twenty

761
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:01,920
seven possibilities of shots, the average person will probably only

762
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,719
hit maybe used maybe five or six. He said, So

763
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,000
a person should go out there and find their bread

764
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,639
and butter, what are the shots that they're that's easiest

765
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,480
for them to do? And go play that way? I said,

766
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,920
Now you go out in the course and you stand,

767
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:19,760
you know, as you ask yourself, I mean non verbally

768
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,199
or even verbally, ask yourself. Okay, I'm on a dog

769
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,960
leg right here? What kind of shot do I want

770
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,159
to hit? Well? You want to hit a medium fade?

771
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:29,840
And he said when he said, you do that, and

772
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,920
he said, you will start playing golf rather than start

773
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,360
playing swing and he feels, And I've been on that

774
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,039
lesson te giving a lot of lessons for a lot

775
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,960
of years. And it's amazing to me how many it

776
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,800
happens to me too, how many how many golfers don't

777
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,840
even aim, don't even visualize. And you know, I started

778
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,039
playing and tend and I would go out in the afternoons.

779
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,159
I finally talked them into it. We'd go out every

780
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,639
afternoon at the club in la And he said, okay,

781
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:01,400
R what kind of shot you want to get here?

782
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,880
I say, well, I've got a big, sweepy long par five,

783
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,320
no trouble on the left. I want to hit a

784
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,639
good hard hook. You say, hit it, and I'll tell you.

785
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,960
I mean I played that summer, and I played probably

786
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,639
the most consistent golf of my life. But like everybody else,

787
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,880
you know, I start thinking about my swing and put

788
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,920
my mind and my energy back there rather than out there.

789
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,159
And they'll tell you if the average person would do that,

790
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,199
it sounds hard because the average you know, the high

791
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:31,599
handicapp or so many of them have a hard time

792
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:35,159
even hitting them, you know, the ball solidly. But if

793
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,320
they would start doing that, start visualizing the shot and

794
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,280
executing it, it's amazing. It's amazing how how much they'll improve.

795
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,239
And the smaller the target and the more your energy

796
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,880
is focused on the target, when you miss it, I mean,

797
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,559
you'll still end up usually with a much better miss.

798
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,440
I love that saying that. You know, if you shoot

799
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,920
for the moon and your miss, you'll still land upon

800
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,639
the stars, so you'll still have a pretty good you know,

801
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:06,400
dispense that you're.

802
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had. I remember someone on the show years

803
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,559
ago was talking about if if you focus on a

804
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:18,039
target and you miss it by ten yards, that's still

805
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,679
a pretty good shot. But if you don't have a

806
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,199
target that you're aiming at, if you're just looking out

807
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,480
there and not even folks on where it goes and

808
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,599
you miss it by ten yards. That's an awful shot,

809
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,360
That's right. Yeah.

810
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 4: An old friend was one of the guys that owned

811
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,639
our first golf school. Has got hi Ken Blanchard, doctor

812
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,599
Ken Blanchard, the One Minute Manager, and he used to

813
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:40,719
have a saying that I always love. He said, if

814
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,519
you don't know where you're going, any road will take

815
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,880
you there. I was like that. But back back to

816
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,719
the thing I was talking about. All the positive attitudes

817
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,719
and great champions and players and business people have all

818
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,159
successful people for that. Now they're thinking the way they

819
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,679
see things is different. But every great player, and trust me,

820
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,920
I've been inside their heads, every great player, with no exception,

821
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,360
all of them, they see things differently. They're so focused

822
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,400
on the target. It's and they all do it different,

823
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,119
but they're all so focused on the target. Their visualization

824
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,079
is dramatic. Arnold told me the first time I worked

825
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:23,960
with him that the only thing that he tried to

826
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,440
do in his golf swing was with his right hand

827
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:30,079
feel like he's shaking hands and touching the target, because

828
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,519
you know, he convexed his wrists and really cleared deep

829
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,199
and he was just you know, almost shaking hands. With

830
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,639
the target with his right hand. I mean, I've been

831
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:41,519
at Nicholas's house when he displained how he plays the Masters,

832
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:45,119
which is normal. I mean he talks about, you know,

833
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,079
looking at the trees, see where the wind's blowing in

834
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:50,840
the trees and the ripples down in the pond. Where's

835
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,159
the flagstick on eleven and what's the what's the flagstick

836
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,280
doing over on twelve? And he said, quote they said, guys,

837
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,360
it's almost like they'm in a fairy land. It's almost

838
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,719
like I'm in this imaginary world. I just kind of

839
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,159
feel my way along seeing you know, the targets and

840
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,719
the shape of the shots with the wind. But honestly, Godfred,

841
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,239
they're all like that. I mean they all see it different.

842
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,639
And again, you know, we're talking about the average high

843
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:20,719
handicapper just stands up there and hits it out there

844
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,199
somewhere and hope and hopes it ends up good.

845
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,199
Speaker 2: The mid to high handicapper who has just heard your

846
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,840
description about the twenty seven point program shouldn't just go

847
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,320
out and start doing that. I mean, this is these

848
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,480
are shots that you have to practice, and this is

849
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,760
these are I would think for shots for people who

850
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,119
are comfortable with their swing and not tinkering all the

851
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:52,480
time too. Right, Well, most high handicappers and mid to

852
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:56,639
high handicappers are constantly tweaking and trying to adjust their

853
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,000
swing even during a round, thinking they know what they

854
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,039
did wrong in the lasting is supposed to just try

855
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:05,280
to get the same swing, you know, every single time out,

856
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,760
be consistent with the swing. They keep tweaking and thinking, oh, well,

857
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,559
the ball went right that time, so this time I'm

858
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:12,519
gonna have to do this, or last time I played

859
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,519
this hole the ball went in the water, so I'm

860
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:16,159
gonna have to do a different kind of shot. And

861
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:18,119
they don't know how because they don't practice that shot.

862
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,199
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. But if they go to the

863
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,360
driving range, that's what Ted told me to do. And

864
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,039
I was already a good player, and when he told me,

865
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,480
he says, go to the driving range and just start

866
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:30,159
carving it out. And the thing is, even for high handicappers,

867
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,000
believe it or not, it's not that hard. It's not

868
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:36,000
that hard to do. To me. What's hard is you're

869
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,239
trying to perfect a golf swing. And you know, frankly,

870
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,239
like I was saying earlier, on the average the average

871
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,159
guy who really has no flexibility, no leg strength or

872
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,960
no you know, hand eye coordination. You know they're gonna

873
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,800
have a hard They can't do most a lot of

874
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,239
them can't do the things that their instructors try to

875
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,920
teach them to do. They can't physically do it. But

876
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:02,280
what happens is when you even those people, when you

877
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,559
when they visualize a shot, you believe it or not.

878
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,880
You know you can your body will obey your mind

879
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,960
rather than try to get your mind to obey your body,

880
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,320
if you know what I mean, you know, I mean

881
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,079
it's like the old like the old Buddha. You know,

882
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,440
the Buddha used to say, all we are is a

883
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,280
sum total of our thoughts. That's all we are. So

884
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,960
we can if we can think differently, we can change

885
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,400
our behavior. And we change we change our behavior physically,

886
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:33,679
then you know, we start changing our outcome, our destiny.

887
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: Interesting, but when you're going out and practicing this twenty

888
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,480
seven point program, you shouldn't try to do all twenty

889
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:44,440
seven and now, well, you should just focus on a

890
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,039
couple each time you go out and feel comfortable with

891
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,039
it before you start taking it out to the golf course.

892
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 4: Definitely, yeah, definitely, obviously the better point. That's a good point.

893
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:57,280
But I think most people should say, you know, start

894
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,920
with position one and start hitting some really high slight

895
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,320
until you have that down right, and then and it

896
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,840
won't take long. Then, like you said, move back and

897
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,239
then go real slow. A good player can go a

898
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,320
little bit faster because they pretty much know how to

899
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,960
hit these shots anyway.

900
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but most of us don't. Yeah, most of

901
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,880
us don't even know how to don't understand shot selection.

902
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,760
I think, you know, it's like you see him talk

903
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,440
about it on the tour, you see him talk about

904
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,920
it on TV and instructors, But when it comes right

905
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,440
down to it, you know, and then you go, even

906
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,800
if you do practice it at a driving range on

907
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,119
a mat, then you get out on the golf course

908
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:36,840
and all of a sudden, the ball is six inches

909
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,639
above your you know, above your feet, and you've got

910
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,719
to make this nice high slicing shot. And it's like, yeah, right,

911
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,440
I practice that, but not this way.

912
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: It makes it very art of shot making. It's almost

913
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,639
becoming a lost art. Yeah. The equipment today is so good,

914
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,199
you know, and you can you can look at the

915
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,800
club faces now on the drivers, I mean they're gigantic,

916
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,599
you can miss it all over the club base and

917
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:05,960
still hit decent shots. So you know, but I love

918
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:09,920
watching guys like Bubba Watson, guys who are still shot makers,

919
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,800
who still you know, try to work the ball almost

920
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,960
every time. That's these guys who are just like robots

921
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,000
and just drill it dead straight every time.

922
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he hits it far. He hits it far.

923
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,639
To close off this episode, can you give us a

924
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,400
tip on how to increase our flexibility?

925
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 4: Okay, it's hard to do sitting down, but everybody, I mean,

926
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,239
the overwhelming majority that people of people who stretch don't

927
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,000
get flexible. And I start most of my seminars on saying,

928
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:44,000
if you don't want to get flexible, if you don't

929
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:46,440
want to gave improve your range of motion, if you

930
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:50,760
want to stay stiff, then just get on a stretching program,

931
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:53,440
And that usually gets their attention. But it's really true

932
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,920
because if I'm going like like I'm really trying to stretch,

933
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:03,440
there am I doing? I'm holding my breath and all

934
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:08,199
all flexibility is is is relaxing the muscle that comes

935
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:14,639
from breathing. So if I breathe like you ever been

936
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:16,960
in your car and you drop your keys and you're

937
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,239
grinding to try to reach over there and get it,

938
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,519
you camp. But if you let go, you can actually,

939
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,440
you know, go another who knows eight inches a foot longer.

940
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,800
So breathing is what gets you flexible, not stretching, and

941
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,599
when you the reason most people don't breathe is because

942
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they don't. There's a lot of reasons for that, but

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one is because there they breathe from up here. It's

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like they breathe from up here in their lungs, and

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the breathing has to come from your lower diaphragm. So

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I tell people to get fat. So if you can

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try to stand up here, if you get somebody to

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put their fingertips right on your love handles or even

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tie a belt or something around on your abdomen here

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and when you watch when I inhale, now watch what happens.

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And I do this all the time in front of

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my audience. As I say, okay, everybody, stand up, grab

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a partner and have the partner behind you put their

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hands beyond on the love handles of the person there,

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and take a two thirds deeper inhalation with their nose.

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Here's what I see. They breathe with their traps. So

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again I encourage everything, everybody. And as simple as the sounds,

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I can't tell you how dramatic it is if people

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would start to learn to breathe from their lower diaphragm

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down in here. So when you inhale, it goes out.

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When you exhale, it comes in. And when people get

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on a stretching program, they should not try to stretch.

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They should breathe into the stretch, or as we say it,

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relax into stretch. And if they would do that, they

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will increase their range of motion dramatically. Not to mention

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that they will start getting oxygen up into their head.

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It permeates throughout the body, and their body then starts

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to breathe properly. And guess what, when they breathe properly

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and they're breathing from the lower diaphragm, they get back

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into perfect posture with their shoulders over the hips, over

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the knees, over the feet, straight ahead. So, as simple

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as it may sound, breathe and breathe from the diaphragm

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in here and practice that. You know, most guys try

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to look cool down there at muscle beach, you know,

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And we tuck it in, and that's exactly what you

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don't want to do. So breathing is the key. I

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have a lot of videos and tips on my website

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that teach people how to breathe. So that's the best

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thing I could teach people what to do, is breathe, babe.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. And you know it's true because like when

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you're talking about leaning down and reaching to pick something up,

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most people or even stretching, they're going to hold their

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breath as supposed to breathe through it, right, They'll like,

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and then they'll try to reach it over and it's like,

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that's the worst thing you can possibly do.

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Speaker 4: Right if you see that in golf too, I mean,

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now that's one of the biggest.

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Speaker 2: People take a big breath and hold their breath.

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Speaker 4: I get people in their setup, I said, okay, and

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when they're when they're addressing the ball, like here, I'll

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go put my hand right on their under underbelly button.

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I said, okay, now right, be pray, take it back,

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just let go, just let it not just relax. You

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watch a free throw shooter, what does he do you know?

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Or the tennis player they bounce it. I mean almost

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every baseball pitcher. Almost every sport, they will automatically intuitively

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exhale gently right before they started back. And most golfers

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are you know, they suck it in and tense up.

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So golfing will not allow tension or for life of

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that matter,