Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen us.
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen? What?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 2: I really dig that song on on on the intro,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. I should have started with that.
Speaker 2: I am one of your two hosts, Jules Uh, the
Speaker 2: host of the Gray Pill podcast with me the second host,
Speaker 2: Headless Giant, the host of the Headless Giant podcast. I
Speaker 2: am the Mississippi missed it. He is the Hellenic Schizo
Speaker 2: poster and Uh. This is Rustic Gods, Episode five, Episode five, everybody.
Speaker 2: I hope everyone had a good week. Headless. How are
Speaker 2: you doing, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I had a terrible day at work,
Speaker 1: as it is always on Friday. I'm used to it
Speaker 1: by now. Yeah, and I'm ready to go. This is
Speaker 1: this is going to be a good one. So I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people wonder about the centaurs, what's
Speaker 1: going on with the centaurs, And we're going to get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of that because we've got the centaur
Speaker 1: god Tyron. Yes, if you don't know about Chiron, he
Speaker 1: plays a very pivotal role in Greek mythology and also
Speaker 1: very misunderstood role intentionally intentionally, So I guess let's start
Speaker 1: with the modern interpretation of of the Chiron, right, Let's
Speaker 1: let's look at that real quick. Let's see here if
Speaker 1: I could find it. So and in modern days they've
Speaker 1: taken this figure of Chiron and they've turned him into
Speaker 1: a pedophile. Right, so he's not a teacher. He's actually
Speaker 1: sexually abusing children. All these children, all these heroes that
Speaker 1: grow up and do great things. The modern interpretation, by
Speaker 1: a bunch of these you know, rainbow obsessed academics, has
Speaker 1: been to turn him into a you know, a pedophile.
Speaker 1: But not the case. There is nothing in the Greek
Speaker 1: mythology that would imply that he's actually doing horrible things
Speaker 1: to these children. Right. In fact, that's the opposite of
Speaker 1: his character in all of the myths.
Speaker 2: He's right here, if if if these are kids, they
Speaker 2: may be just regular, uh, you know, just regular sized humans.
Speaker 2: Was he a pretty big guy?
Speaker 1: Yes, well he was, he was not. I mean, centaurs, dude,
Speaker 1: they're half half animal, and so this torso part of
Speaker 1: them had to be bigger too. So the you know,
Speaker 1: the centaurs themselves were very massive and imposing animal human hybrids.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because you don't see a lot of
Speaker 1: centaurs in other cultures, right, so you'll find that, you know,
Speaker 1: the pan mythology of a half human half goat that's
Speaker 1: repeated in other parts of the world. You'll find half
Speaker 1: human half goat kind of figures or fawns in other
Speaker 1: parts of the world. Yeah, satyrs, but you're not going
Speaker 1: to find centaurs anywhere else. And I think that goes
Speaker 1: way way back in history, like these are the first
Speaker 1: riders of the horse, and way back when people didn't
Speaker 1: know what they were looking at when they saw people
Speaker 1: riding horses, right, because this.
Speaker 2: Is like.
Speaker 1: If you can imagine an F sixteen in the Stone Age,
Speaker 1: that's what the horse was, right, So when they saw
Speaker 1: people riding horseback, they thought that they were all one thing.
Speaker 1: This is the you know theory at least. And so Thessaly,
Speaker 1: where all of the centaurs come from, is really close
Speaker 1: to the origin point for a lot of the Give
Speaker 1: me a second, can the Scythians? Right, So the Scythians
Speaker 1: were some of the first horse riding people, and Thessaly
Speaker 1: had a lot of Scythians sort of occupying that territory
Speaker 1: and they were undefeated in battle. They loved to drink.
Speaker 1: They love to you know, corrouse with women and all
Speaker 1: the rest of this stuff. And we see those character
Speaker 1: traits sort of carried on with the centaurs in Greek mythology,
Speaker 1: except for what is chyron? Right, So as we saw
Speaker 1: with that image you were showing Chiron's wearing a you know,
Speaker 1: Greek outfit. He doesn't need to like it's it's covering
Speaker 1: up his chest and stuff like, do you have those?
Speaker 1: I just took a sheet and actually pin that.
Speaker 2: Up, but I have to have to make one. So
Speaker 2: we should probably start doing these shows in some some
Speaker 2: kind of toga. Yeah, dude, I'm down if you are, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we do a part six. We're coming back
Speaker 1: in togas. Look after that ladies Boga Fridays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicking the toga with the with with the thing
Speaker 2: on his head.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's gonna be great. But yeah, that's make it
Speaker 1: more like a symposium feel where everybody's just wearing sheets
Speaker 1: and chilling out drinking wine. You know, you gotta get
Speaker 1: some wine. And the Greek way to drink wine is
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. What they would do is fifty wine water.
Speaker 2: That's smart.
Speaker 1: So you don't drunk.
Speaker 2: Is fast, dude. I'm sure their wine was stout too, bro.
Speaker 2: I bet that it was was real strong, Like hell,
Speaker 2: they made it right outside their house, right.
Speaker 1: Everybody had a winery, you know, and they were they
Speaker 1: were all making wine and enjoying wine. Fifty wine FIFA
Speaker 1: Save alcohol. So it's funny because you could actually find
Speaker 1: this in the book that we're going to be doing tomorrow,
Speaker 1: The Golden Ass. They talk about how, uh, this guy
Speaker 1: is infiltrating this den of thieves, right, and he just
Speaker 1: starts cutting back the water right because he wants all
Speaker 1: these thieves to pass out. So he's you know, he
Speaker 1: starts out handing out the coylyxes with you know, fifty
Speaker 1: percent water, and then he's like, all right, a whole
Speaker 1: lot less water, a whole lot more wine. And so
Speaker 1: he's getting these guys drunk as fuck just so he
Speaker 1: can have them pass out and he could save the girl.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it's interesting, you know, they talk.
Speaker 2: About it also interesting the water and the wine metaphoor thing,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah, else have you seen that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What came first, chicken or the egg?
Speaker 1: Right? Well, this wasn't very common and you know, well,
Speaker 1: I guess rome they kind of they didn't do it. Now,
Speaker 1: that was mostly a group thing. They just drank wine straight,
Speaker 1: you know, they weren't they were impregnating it with the water.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you think about it, you can
Speaker 1: actually do a lot with the water before you put
Speaker 1: it in the line. But what's interesting to me is
Speaker 1: that the the image of Chiron is always having him
Speaker 1: in the toegun, right, he is the civilized centaur. All
Speaker 1: the rest of the centaurs, they don't work clothes at all.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, But of course he's not covering up
Speaker 3: his junk because obviously his junk is further back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's he really covering? I think it was just
Speaker 1: more of a symbol of this is the elevating Chiron.
Speaker 1: This is the educating Chiron. This is the teacher. Right.
Speaker 2: It sure that he has he has like a place
Speaker 2: of authority or he's like an elder right.
Speaker 1: Right, right, he was very old by the time he,
Speaker 1: you know, started talking with Hercules and training him.
Speaker 2: So two Achilles. Is is that a rabbit hanging off
Speaker 2: of that?
Speaker 1: It looks like it, Nick, But you know, he's the
Speaker 1: teacher of hunting. He was the teacher of the you know,
Speaker 1: agrarian arts. He's the guy who taught everything to our
Speaker 1: staves as well. So Aura Staveus was one of the
Speaker 1: ones mentored by him. Hercules, Achilles, all of these people
Speaker 1: with the cave of Chiron and they were brought up.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the movie Hercules, They showed him being
Speaker 1: mentored by this you know fom Yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: an accurate phil right, it was another mythical creature. It
Speaker 1: was Chirn that was teaching. So it wasn't a satter.
Speaker 2: They should make a movie about Chyron.
Speaker 1: That would be interesting. Well in the movie, in the
Speaker 1: movie Bougonia, the character of Chiron was played by the
Speaker 1: only Greek man in the film, right, and you know
Speaker 1: what part they kept. Of course, they kept the pedophilia, right,
Speaker 1: they had to because it's one of these movies where
Speaker 1: they're they're just going with the modern interpretation of anything.
Speaker 1: So they turned him into a cop, right, And this
Speaker 1: cop was also the babysitter of the main character. And
Speaker 1: so he kept apologizing to the main character over and
Speaker 1: over again, to Jesse about what he did when he
Speaker 1: was younger, and he's like, I didn't do it to
Speaker 1: anybody else, it was just you. And it's like they're
Speaker 1: going with this modern interpretation of Chiron, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: this horrible pedophile and guess what, he didn't teach Jesse anything.
Speaker 1: All they had to do to make it a much
Speaker 1: more interesting, better movie was just by having him be
Speaker 1: more of a teacher character. What if this this cop
Speaker 1: was actually the guy who taught this Jesse about the aliens,
Speaker 1: right right, that would have changed the whole thing, because
Speaker 1: the whole time when the cop shows up at the house,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh, well, he's gonna you know, there's a
Speaker 1: tension there between you know, this woman trying to get
Speaker 1: free from the basement and you know, maybe this cop
Speaker 1: who could savor Well, what if the cop is the
Speaker 1: guy who actually instructed him to start kidnapping these aliens
Speaker 1: in the first place, that would have changed the whole dynamic.
Speaker 1: But as you can see here, you know, chyn is
Speaker 1: the pre eminent sort of teacher of the heroes. So
Speaker 1: if you look at the Scythians, the Scythians were kind
Speaker 1: of the teachers of the Greeks, right. The Scythians occupied
Speaker 1: this role of both being the goldsmith of the Greeks
Speaker 1: and the police force of the Greeks. Goldsmith and policing.
Speaker 1: These are two very separate things, right, What are these Scythians,
Speaker 1: these horseback riding nomads doing as the police and also
Speaker 1: the goldsmiths. This is where Proto Indo European comes in
Speaker 1: very handy, because the Scythian language, the Greek language, all
Speaker 1: of these roots come through Proto Indo European and in
Speaker 1: the Proto Indo European roots, what we find is that
Speaker 1: these Germanic tribes, like the Scythians, had a split, right,
Speaker 1: So from the Scythians you would have the Plastians, and
Speaker 1: the Plastians ended up becoming the Mysonians, and the Mysonians
Speaker 1: ended up becoming the Greeks. So from that perspective you
Speaker 1: can kind of see that they were going to the
Speaker 1: Scythians as sort of like the root culture for the Greeks.
Speaker 1: What were the Scythians doing or what were the Placians
Speaker 1: doing before any of this stuff in Greece. Well, the
Speaker 1: Proto Indo European tribes, the first people on horseback, the
Speaker 1: Yamnaya and all the rest of them. What they would
Speaker 1: do is they would set up shop in these you
Speaker 1: know places where you would have populations of humans and
Speaker 1: they would stay separate, and they said, look, if you
Speaker 1: pay us a little bit of money every month, a
Speaker 1: little bit of gold every month, we'll give you protection.
Speaker 1: So they were the police force and the goldsmiths from
Speaker 1: way way way back before the Greeks. Right when the
Speaker 1: Greeks first saw these people on horseback, or these tribes
Speaker 1: on horseback, they were thinking that they were all one thing, right,
Speaker 1: that's the primitive perspective that gives you the centaur. Well,
Speaker 1: those same centaur people kind of occupy a position of
Speaker 1: authority within the Greek civilization as not only the people
Speaker 1: you give your goal to, but also the police because
Speaker 1: they're protecting you. So the centaur idea, if the you know,
Speaker 1: academics are right about people getting confused about who's the
Speaker 1: horse who's the rider, could go back to that proto
Speaker 1: Indo European route, which was all about you know, basically
Speaker 1: setting up shop. Nobility would then become the landlord, and
Speaker 1: you would pay the landlord to keep you safe. Very
Speaker 1: very old perspective. Now, within the war parties themselves, which
Speaker 1: you know, these bands of Scythians would be these tribal
Speaker 1: war parties, they would give gifts to one another. Right,
Speaker 1: they would give tribute to one another using gold because
Speaker 1: gold was the flesh of the gods. Right, So if
Speaker 1: you had a good tribal leader, you would want to
Speaker 1: make these very immaculate golden trinkets for them, and you
Speaker 1: would give gifts back and forth. So your tribal leader
Speaker 1: would take the gifts from these other tribes and then
Speaker 1: together they would have this gold reserve, gold reserves. So
Speaker 1: this is the beginning of banking, right, this is the
Speaker 1: beginning of the gold trade. These are the guys that
Speaker 1: gave gold its value nice because it was the flesh
Speaker 1: of the gods.
Speaker 2: So this still had nice, right.
Speaker 1: But basically this is like the beginning of civilization. And
Speaker 1: they didn't have the written language. They were just going
Speaker 1: around being, you know, being assholes and you know, enjoying it,
Speaker 1: have a good time. But these war tribes were very
Speaker 1: important because these were the only guys that had the horse, right,
Speaker 1: the f sixteen in the Stone Age. Right, they bred
Speaker 1: the horse from a stout creature whose legs were too short,
Speaker 1: whose head was too big, and they turned it into
Speaker 1: a war weapon. If you've ever spent time around horses,
Speaker 1: they're skittish, they're scared of everything. They had to breed
Speaker 1: these things and train these things to want to go
Speaker 1: into battle. If you've ever ridden on a horse, how
Speaker 1: many times do you think you could take that horse
Speaker 1: into battle? Well, if you look at guys like Alexander
Speaker 1: the Great, who had a favorite horse throughout all of
Speaker 1: these battles as he was conquering the entire Asian continent,
Speaker 1: pretty much you got you gotta ask yourself how linked
Speaker 1: were these horses to the to the riders, Like they
Speaker 1: were thinking with one mind on the battlefield. That's an
Speaker 1: incredible amount of spiritual prowess when you think about it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean people who own horses and people
Speaker 2: who breed horses and train horses that that's kind of
Speaker 2: like a spiritual relationship that they have with the horses.
Speaker 2: They like sing to them and stuff, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: like very smart creatures. So do you think it was
Speaker 2: just symbolic then of these horsemen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if smart is the right word as
Speaker 1: much as it is perceptive, right, Prey animals have to
Speaker 1: be more perceptive then the uh, you know, the the predators.
Speaker 1: They have to be more in tune with their environment.
Speaker 1: They have to know when to run and when to
Speaker 1: hang out, right, and between horse and rider, what you
Speaker 1: find is that you have the secret synchronization between the
Speaker 1: horse and the rider to get maximum possibly like the
Speaker 1: horse is thinking, what does my rider want me to do?
Speaker 1: This is how I survive? And the rider is thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, how can I get more in tune with
Speaker 1: the horse so that we can be better in battle?
Speaker 1: So it's almost like the merging of man and animal,
Speaker 1: right right, that's important, right, This is the foundational building
Speaker 1: block of how these proto Indo European people were able
Speaker 1: to conquer everything is by merging their consciousness with a horse.
Speaker 1: And horses have incredibly large energetic fields, right, and for
Speaker 1: them to let you into that energetic field and know,
Speaker 1: you know, your heartbeat something not too uncommon when we're
Speaker 1: talking about you know, these prey animals turned domestic animals.
Speaker 1: You get this a lot with the cows too. Cows
Speaker 1: are like big giant field puppies, right. Well, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you develop a relationship with the cow. They're never going
Speaker 1: to forget.
Speaker 2: That, especially the ones that you milk, like like you
Speaker 2: know the little milking cows there, but the big you know,
Speaker 2: the ones that you breed for beef or whatever. I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I've seen those charge after people and
Speaker 2: kids and and try to you know, break through fences
Speaker 2: and stuff like, like nearly kill themselves trying to get
Speaker 2: at somebody. Those things can fuck you up. But yeah,
Speaker 2: those those other cows, they're they're they're sweet, man, They're
Speaker 2: real sweet.
Speaker 1: You know. These are all characteristics that were brit into
Speaker 1: them in a time when the written word wasn't around.
Speaker 1: They had to pass this stuff on from generation to
Speaker 1: generation and create these breeds of cows, breeds of horses,
Speaker 1: and that took an immense amount patience and resource, very
Speaker 1: resource heavy, right, you had to constantly be rotating them
Speaker 1: around the land. And I guess what these Scythians were doing.
Speaker 1: These were nomadic peoples that had basically the top weapon
Speaker 1: that anybody had ever seen before. And to think that
Speaker 1: maybe the centaur idea comes from this merging of consciousnesses,
Speaker 1: it's a really different way of looking at things, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't just be the you know, Scythians
Speaker 1: who would be centaur like. You would also have up
Speaker 1: on the step. You've got these you know, the huns, right,
Speaker 1: You've got all these other horse people that were really
Speaker 1: heavily influenced by these Proto Germanic tribes. Right, These Proto
Speaker 1: Germanic tribes sort of set the whole basis for what
Speaker 1: we have today in a lot of ways, especially with
Speaker 1: the gold and also the you know, Mongolia and the
Speaker 1: Mongolian stuff. They're still engaging in that ancient, ancient way
Speaker 1: of life, you know, and to this day the rest
Speaker 1: of Asia and Europe are still scared of Mongolians, Like,
Speaker 1: if they ever get back on their shit, we're focked
Speaker 1: them all. Yeah, they're terrified.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're bred to fucking like, you know, like they're
Speaker 2: best friends or hawks, you know, or falcon falcons.
Speaker 1: But you can see why Deus Potter, these ancient gods
Speaker 1: would be so important to them. And what's interesting is
Speaker 1: that all of these Greek philosophers, they were taught by Scythians.
Speaker 1: They were taught by chirn. This is where they got
Speaker 1: their religious basis from, is these nomadic tribes. Right. So
Speaker 1: Deus Patter is one of the Scythian god gods, right,
Speaker 1: that was sort of the center of their world, and
Speaker 1: they they developed all of this stuff through Greek society
Speaker 1: from this Deus Patter character. A lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: about Zeus and Cronos and all the rest of this
Speaker 1: stuff comes through that Scythian line, like this sky father, right,
Speaker 1: and the sky fathers Anu, all the rest of these
Speaker 1: things really come through that that you know, nomadic tribesmen,
Speaker 1: version of reality, the sky and the earth Gaia and right.
Speaker 2: So the combination of heaven, the and it's all so,
Speaker 2: you know, the spiritual with the physical meaning, and that's
Speaker 2: with the you know, the symbolism with the horse and
Speaker 2: the man. You know, it's it's it's uh, the nature
Speaker 2: of I guess is higher and lower nature, always being
Speaker 2: represented by animals, and it always means something different. But
Speaker 2: you find that a lot. But uh, now, I I'd
Speaker 2: like to think that these these dudes were you know,
Speaker 2: half half horses, you know, taking charge and and wrecking ship.
Speaker 1: Well, by the time that we get into sort of
Speaker 1: the contemporary Greek history where they're writing down all the stories, uh,
Speaker 1: centaurro Maki or the Centaur battles had already happened, So
Speaker 1: they had already been wiped out by the time that
Speaker 1: they're being written about by these these Greek historical right.
Speaker 2: All of them.
Speaker 1: That's what they say yeah, and it was good of
Speaker 1: but again, you know, there's not too many other cultures
Speaker 1: really see that. And some people say that they were
Speaker 1: the sons of Apollo as well. So Apollo is also
Speaker 1: another sky Daddy character, right, he's the son he's white.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh, but yeah, it's it's just right here, Who's
Speaker 2: who's the training right here?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but that could be Hercules, because Hercules
Speaker 1: is the one who accidentally stabbed Chiron with the arrow
Speaker 1: that had the.
Speaker 2: Poison from Hydra, right from the hydra. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: and then he had to like do some kind of
Speaker 2: trade with Prometheus for his immortality or something, and uh
Speaker 2: set Prometheus free.
Speaker 1: Right, Well that's what saved Prometheus for a long time
Speaker 1: until he was released by Hercules. So Hercules, Heracles was
Speaker 1: the son of Zeus going against his father's wishes to
Speaker 1: release Prometheus from the Caucasus Mountains. And again Caucasus Mountains
Speaker 1: the Black Sea region. This is all about the Scythians, right,
Speaker 1: And so they had a Scythian version of Prometheus as well.
Speaker 1: So it's not just China that has a Prometheus. It's
Speaker 1: not just the Greeks that has a Prometheus. It's not
Speaker 1: just Rome that sort of took takes the Mythris character
Speaker 1: and combines the Chinese Prometheus with the Greek Prometheus. It's
Speaker 1: also the Scythians that have a Scythian Prometheus as well,
Speaker 1: and so the Scythian Prometheus has a bien very strong
Speaker 1: similarity to this stuff. And again here we see the
Speaker 1: Scythian horseback riders granting eternal life to Prometheus and then
Speaker 1: being released by the son of Zeus. So Prometheus was
Speaker 1: a huge threat to the gods. If it wasn't for Prometheus,
Speaker 1: the Olympians would not have beaten the Titans. Right, So
Speaker 1: Prometheus his gift was forethought. That's what his name means, Prometheus,
Speaker 1: which would be pro thought for thought. His brother is Epimetheus,
Speaker 1: which is afterthought. So Prometheus was the incredibly smart one
Speaker 1: and Epimetheus was incredibly dumb, which gives us to the
Speaker 1: first women.
Speaker 2: I think Benjamin said, the wounded healer. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 2: kyen like a he of some sorts, and he couldn't
Speaker 2: even heal himself whenever.
Speaker 1: Pyron taught the healing arts. And there was no cure
Speaker 1: for the hydro's blood. It is an uncurable poison, and
Speaker 1: that could be in reference to some sort of drug
Speaker 1: as well. You know, they like to use all sorts
Speaker 1: of exotic herbs and stuff. There could have been hydra
Speaker 1: heerb that made you mad forever. But you know, like
Speaker 1: they were all about the divine madness, So this could
Speaker 1: be relating to other things that we might have lost
Speaker 1: throughout the years. Shout out, so Epimetheus, this is one
Speaker 1: of the stories of creation. Epimetheus is tasked with giving
Speaker 1: the animals, the newly minted animals, all these very interesting
Speaker 1: traits that made them unique. So to the cats he
Speaker 1: would give the claws right, and to the birds he
Speaker 1: would give wings. And then when man came up to
Speaker 1: bat he was lot of stuff, special things.
Speaker 2: So his brother took care of man.
Speaker 4: Okay, gave us forethought knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fire, fire.
Speaker 1: Fire, well that's part of it. But you know, the
Speaker 1: fire element of it was already part of mankind. Zeus
Speaker 1: took it away from us, so he had to go
Speaker 1: on to Mount Olyppus to get it back for us.
Speaker 1: Because essentially Prometheus was the origin of mankind. He was
Speaker 1: making a new titan race out of the clay, out
Speaker 1: of the earth, not the spiritual substance, but the earthly substance,
Speaker 1: because that's sort of what the Titans are, more earthy.
Speaker 2: This is Inky, dude, it's the same Inky was making,
Speaker 2: like making uh, well, what's his name, it'll come to me.
Speaker 2: But he was making, yeah, doing the same stuff out
Speaker 2: of clay and stuff, and making other types of humans
Speaker 2: humanoids almost you could say, like any type of cryptid.
Speaker 2: This guy, it seemed to have genetically engineered, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, And as I went over last time, we were
Speaker 1: talking about the Promethean play, so we only have Prometheus
Speaker 1: bout right, but it was a three part play, right,
Speaker 1: so there were two other parts again, the first part
Speaker 1: of Prometheus where he's turning on the Titans to join
Speaker 1: the Olympians and fight against the Titans in Titana making
Speaker 1: and then Prometheus Bound where he's stuck up on this
Speaker 1: mountain and all of these characters are coming and paying
Speaker 1: their condolences and trying to get information out of them.
Speaker 1: One of the main things that Zeus wanted to get
Speaker 1: out of Prometheus was the name of Zeus's success, Yes,
Speaker 1: and so he kept sending enemies hermes to the mountain
Speaker 1: to get the name out of Prometheus because Prometheus knows
Speaker 1: the future, right, and so he's trying to torture Prometheus
Speaker 1: into telling him who the successor to Zeus is going
Speaker 1: to be. I think he keeps it a secret, but
Speaker 1: it's Achilles. Achilles was supposed to be the successor to Zeus.
Speaker 1: And so when Achilles' soul is incarnate on the earth,
Speaker 1: that's when his mother, Achilles' mother dips him in the river,
Speaker 1: sticks by his ankle so he cannot be touched. It's
Speaker 1: very similar to the stories in Norse mythology with is
Speaker 1: it tear where the only way that you can kill
Speaker 1: him is with the sprig of.
Speaker 4: Balder.
Speaker 2: There we go, Yeah, let's see. Yeah, I agreement, Let's see. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: So I'm just looking at stuff on Prometheus right now.
Speaker 2: So it's not a it's.
Speaker 1: Not a bad combination. Kyron in Virgo, that's not particularly.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about what Ben said?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hmhmm. We have a couple of Centaurs in the sky,
Speaker 1: but Kyron, after giving his immortality to Prometheus, Zeus decides
Speaker 1: to add him to the constellations, and so we've got Centaurus, right,
Speaker 1: and then is it Sagittarius? I think I think it's Sagittarius,
Speaker 1: that's the other one. But the staris is a southern sky,
Speaker 1: and I believe Sagittarius is the Western sky. But again,
Speaker 1: like we see the idea of archery, and we see
Speaker 1: the idea of horseback archery, which is something that is,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the most important sports in all
Speaker 1: of Mongolia is this horseback archery. It shows not only
Speaker 1: mastery of the animal, it shows mastery of the weapon.
Speaker 1: And having these, you know, people on horseback firing arrows
Speaker 1: in a time when people were throwing stones, you're screwed.
Speaker 1: I mean, what could you possibly do against several riders
Speaker 1: on horseback firing arrows at you? Let me break you're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're cooked.
Speaker 5: Especially Mongolians, right, but I think you know they want
Speaker 5: to kind of bastardize Cairn because there's.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go, hey, fire Pixie, I love you too, hey.
Speaker 2: So was Prometheus being bound like a symbolic for knowledge
Speaker 2: being kept or for what'd you say, foresight? I don't know,
Speaker 2: for something within the collective of on a humanity or
Speaker 2: h Greeks.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the Greeks, it's all about hubris.
Speaker 1: If you show hubris towards the people who rule over you.
Speaker 1: You're going to get smacked backed down.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the hubris that we see with you know, flying
Speaker 1: too close to the sun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, us, And.
Speaker 1: We see this over and over again throughout all of
Speaker 1: Greek mythologies that it's the hubris that brings down the heroes.
Speaker 1: Right Jason in the Argonauts, he's brought down by hubris,
Speaker 1: basically all of them. Achilles, right, Achilles also, well he
Speaker 1: goes into the temple of Apollo and just starts up.
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, And it was Apollo that killed Achilles. You know,
Speaker 1: he's the one who directed the arrow straight into his
Speaker 1: into his Achilles tendon. But also very you know, the
Speaker 1: idea is you have to act as a team.
Speaker 2: And we got to watch Troy, Dude, we should watch
Speaker 2: Troy one night, do a watch party and watch Troy.
Speaker 2: It's a good fucking movie that was like the last
Speaker 2: era of good war movies like Troy and Alexander. Well,
Speaker 2: they made everyone in Alexander gay, Like as soon as
Speaker 2: the women like as soon a's like all the dudes
Speaker 2: got together in the room, they'd be like tell the
Speaker 2: women to leave. What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know if they were like were they No,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they were doing that. What's what's what.
Speaker 1: If you get into the Leather Apron Club, right, have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of that? So this guy named Leather
Speaker 1: Apron Club, he's got this massive d bunk on the
Speaker 1: gay Greeks. This all came out of the nineteen seventies
Speaker 1: through Christianity and uh the academics, right, they both had
Speaker 1: their own reasons to try and gay jacket the Greeks.
Speaker 2: About the Spartans too, right now, they were switching boys
Speaker 2: and stuff. I don't know, man, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I believe that.
Speaker 1: With the Spartans. There's a little bit more evidence. But
Speaker 1: you know, again, what they were trying to do is
Speaker 1: create school shooters. With the Spartans, they were all about creating. Okay,
Speaker 1: So one of the initiatory rituals for these young boys
Speaker 1: in Sparta was to raise a puppy, bring it to
Speaker 1: the temple, and then kill the puppy. They were trying
Speaker 1: to make.
Speaker 2: They were trying to make warriors, right, yeah, okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, they to do that with
Speaker 2: every I mean, dude, I don't know. To live in
Speaker 2: the Spartans were it was kind of the norm when
Speaker 2: it was happening.
Speaker 1: The Spartans were the outcasts from the rest of Greece.
Speaker 1: The rest of Greece wanted to live a good life
Speaker 1: and not just always be in war mode all the time,
Speaker 1: But the Spartans specifically wanted to be in war mode
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Why didn't they just make them go find like a
Speaker 2: fucking wolf and try to befriend it and make it
Speaker 2: like it's like in the movie Companion or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: did that happen in the movie. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I didn't remember that. I haven't seen the movie in
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: That's what they kind of replaced it with, is this
Speaker 1: idea that, oh, yeah, they're they're part of the wolf
Speaker 1: tribe or whatever. But really what they were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they're doing some weird shit, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just don't believe that they were all gay.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just we wouldn't have been here
Speaker 2: if they were all gay, you know, like they.
Speaker 1: Had they had about seventy six pieces of pottery that
Speaker 1: they use to apply that all the Greeks were dead
Speaker 1: seventy six and.
Speaker 2: So did they have on it and stuff?
Speaker 1: Well, no, they actually didn't go for that.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of uh pieces, there was a lot
Speaker 2: of fertilities, you know, pieces of pieces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, they had a lot of fertility worship going
Speaker 1: out all over Greek Right, so the Greek world was
Speaker 1: just a washing in dick statues. Right. But this was,
Speaker 1: you know the same reason why Japan is a Washington
Speaker 1: Dick statues. Polytheistic cultures view fertility as one of the
Speaker 1: highest aspirations of their society. You've got to have more children,
Speaker 1: You've got to you know, promote more children. You've got
Speaker 1: to have these dick statues marched through the streets so
Speaker 1: that everybody gets that fertility energy. You know. That's what
Speaker 1: they were trying to do. They were trying to get
Speaker 1: more soldiers, trying to turn people on. I think it's
Speaker 1: more of the symbols or.
Speaker 2: I see, and it's like activated in their brain that
Speaker 2: that that sexual uh you know thought or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well you don't think about it, but fertility really is
Speaker 1: a mystical.
Speaker 2: Energy, right right, right, that's what I can't activated.
Speaker 1: Right, So you can't really know why a woman is
Speaker 1: fertile or why she's not fertile. You can track her
Speaker 1: cycles and everything, and you could do everything right, but
Speaker 1: it's not taken. She's not getting pregnant, and you've got
Speaker 1: to wonder, like, what's wrong with this? What's wrong with
Speaker 1: this image? What do I need to do differently? Well,
Speaker 1: you need to start marching those dick statues down the
Speaker 1: street so that the women get the fertility energy that
Speaker 1: comes through you know, springtime and all the rest of
Speaker 1: the stuff. They have their their dick festivals in the spring.
Speaker 1: And then you've got it all through the streets. You've
Speaker 1: got your rituals and in some ways, you know, it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's before a baseball game. You've got to go through
Speaker 1: the same ritual every time so that you can get
Speaker 1: similar results. That's what they were going through with all
Speaker 1: this you know dick stuff. And also it's funny, it's
Speaker 1: hilarious souh. They would have a good laugh at it. Right,
Speaker 1: So you've got one of the major rural gods is
Speaker 1: priapis right. It's just got a massive schlan right, and
Speaker 1: he's an idiot. Right, So I think I probably got
Speaker 1: over this. What's that just spelled? Like the pre epic?
Speaker 1: You know, if it lasts more than four hours, call
Speaker 1: your doctor again. That's where you get the name Priapus.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, let's pull this guy up real fast. No,
Speaker 2: don't pull him, don't pull him up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get bad.
Speaker 2: Oh ship, really, they'll get banned for this. I mean
Speaker 2: this is he has a huge hog.
Speaker 5: Dude, just describe it to the people.
Speaker 2: Okay, guys. So in this one statue, his penis is
Speaker 2: holding up a fruit basket and he's headless. I guess
Speaker 2: the statue is headless. Somebody chopped off the head.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: In this other one, he's standing over a fruit basket
Speaker 2: and there.
Speaker 1: He's is fruit basket is.
Speaker 2: To his penis, something's tied to his penis. His penises
Speaker 2: is uncircumcised. That was maybe a little gay. Sorry, uh
Speaker 2: well this is a little maybe a little gay in
Speaker 2: its entirety, but uh, we're not gonna think about that.
Speaker 2: So uh there, and then there's another one. I think
Speaker 2: he's holding the rod of a sclepias maybe or the
Speaker 2: what's what's the other one? The not but the it's
Speaker 2: the other one.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But what he what he's uh, what he's basically doing
Speaker 1: is you have to measure the bounty against priapus. Since
Speaker 1: Priapus is like this fertility god, right, and so he's
Speaker 1: the god of all this fresh produce coming in and
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of like he's the fertility one.
Speaker 1: He doesn't he's considered like a clown or a joker. Right,
Speaker 1: he's an idiot. Why isn't it he an idiot because
Speaker 1: he's got a big schlow.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna pull this one to the side because
Speaker 2: I have to ask you about this one. This one's weird.
Speaker 2: There's no no, no dicks on it, but it's it
Speaker 2: has something to do with Priapis. So uh yeah, for
Speaker 2: anyone who just not tuning in, I was describing what
Speaker 2: Priapis looks like with his fallus and everything. Uh, let
Speaker 2: me share this. So what's what what's going on here
Speaker 2: with with with this donkey? Dude?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there could be something with the donkey because
Speaker 1: Donkey's got a big old member. I'm not sure. What
Speaker 1: looks like a.
Speaker 2: Little homunculous on. Yeah, I was gonna say, dude, that's I.
Speaker 1: Mean, that's a perfect depiction of a sleep paralysis demon
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Stater almost though. Look at his legs, it looked like
Speaker 2: they covered in hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like a satyr. He looks like he's
Speaker 1: afflicting this woman in our sleep, and the only person
Speaker 1: who could see it is the Donkey's kind of like
Speaker 1: a Balam motif.
Speaker 2: Dude, that's wild.
Speaker 1: Bees Baalim the donkey, he could see things that the uh, well,
Speaker 1: Balem's donkey could see things that Balem could not. And
Speaker 1: that's a really interesting story too, because he was trying
Speaker 1: to scam the Jews and there's something going on with
Speaker 1: the with the right. There's something going on with the
Speaker 1: Jewish people and the donkey that it's really weird, really.
Speaker 2: Dark, really well, I guess we'll we'll talk about that tomorrow,
Speaker 2: won't we on Esotery book review. Guys to tune in
Speaker 2: in the morning on Patreon. Uh hell, lest you could
Speaker 2: probably just stream it to your to your YouTube as well.
Speaker 2: We are reading some of the Golden Ass. Then I'm
Speaker 2: having uh Stein from Greyhorn Pagan's on to talk about North.
Speaker 2: You know, the Norse pantheon and the creation story and
Speaker 2: all that. It's gonna be fun. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of questions.
Speaker 1: So, right, Odin is not the creation God. Now, now
Speaker 1: Odin is one of the later generations, the creator God
Speaker 1: comes before him. Right, He's not that good? On a
Speaker 1: Norse mythology. But so priapis he whenever it's time to perform,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. But whenever he's not performing, he's rock hard.
Speaker 1: And so he's he's kind of this hapless character. He
Speaker 1: can never use it how good gods have intended it
Speaker 1: to be used, but it's always hard. So he's got
Speaker 1: a problem. So they're always laughing at him. And what
Speaker 1: you find is that in the heroes have really tiny slums, right,
Speaker 1: the hero gods the whatever, because they believe that you
Speaker 1: have two brains, right, got one up here and one
Speaker 1: down here, and if the one down there is huge
Speaker 1: and the one.
Speaker 4: Up there is tiny, yeah, I think what they would do.
Speaker 1: What they would do is they would show you that,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, in battle, you don't want
Speaker 1: a guy with a massive schlong in battle, right because
Speaker 1: chances are.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be flopping around and falling on the ground
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be stepping on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, because they're fighting naked, so there's that
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: No, well, well, okay, that goes back to Sumerio with
Speaker 2: those like naked wrestling matches that the gods would have.
Speaker 2: Right now, weird stuff.
Speaker 1: Big big. Well again, like the gymnasiums in Greece is
Speaker 1: a bunch of naked dudes, right, And obviously in today's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, academic world, they're like, oh, they're just you know,
Speaker 1: having lots of sex in these gymnasiums. But that's not
Speaker 1: exactly the case. Homosexuality was illegal, so they weren't doing
Speaker 1: each other because how easy it would it be to
Speaker 1: take out a political rival or whatever if you find
Speaker 1: out that they're also Pedophilia was illegal. The term pederasty
Speaker 1: was basically kind of a joke, right, and so they
Speaker 1: would always be calling uh, young boys and stuff, uh,
Speaker 1: this derogatory word for a receiving homosexual and it's it's
Speaker 1: weird because it's just like they're they're giving ship to
Speaker 1: these kids for being kids, and they're like, ah, you're
Speaker 1: you're the the catcher, right, But it was more of
Speaker 1: a slang term, not necessarily an actual physical representation of
Speaker 1: what they were doing. Education in Greece was different from
Speaker 1: what we think of as public school now, or at
Speaker 1: least even in Samaria. They had these massive schools for
Speaker 1: all the scribes, and you could see weird notes being
Speaker 1: passed from these kids in scribes school to their mothers,
Speaker 1: telling them they want a new tunic, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: They're sending out letters made of brick to their mothers.
Speaker 1: So if we can read everything they did in Samaria,
Speaker 1: but they weren't using brick letters in Greece, so it
Speaker 1: becomes a little bit harder to piece things together. But
Speaker 1: basically everything in Samaria was written down on bricks, so
Speaker 1: we have all of it. We've got too much knowledge
Speaker 1: about the Sumerians and the Acadians and all the rest
Speaker 1: of them because everything is written down in stone.
Speaker 2: Shooting air form. Yeah, yeah, so it's it's really fascinating
Speaker 2: all the parallels.
Speaker 1: But I don't think we're ever going to get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of Samaria just because it's just too much knowledge.
Speaker 2: Right, It's a lot the basic story is, you know,
Speaker 2: it's pretty interesting, but it's a lot of just betrayal
Speaker 2: and uh and be honest in incest.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really what you see in the Old Testament,
Speaker 2: especially with Inky though like he he is he impregnates
Speaker 2: everybody and everything, uh, turning into animals as well, just
Speaker 2: like Zeus and stuff. You know, how Zeus turns into
Speaker 2: Swan and all that. You know, it's could be symbolic,
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, those those stories are fascinating to say
Speaker 2: the least. And then you see the similarities between the
Speaker 2: Old Testament and the Sumerian stories. Like when me and
Speaker 2: you were talking, we were talking about Michael and Raphael
Speaker 2: destroying Sodom and Gomora or whatever, and in the Samerian stories,
Speaker 2: these cities are cities of Marduke and they're going to
Speaker 2: destroy Marduke cities because they just don't like he is
Speaker 2: their sitan. He is their adversary, you know, and they're
Speaker 2: like laughing about it and seeing how many they're like
Speaker 2: counting the numbers that they can kill and proclaiming themselves
Speaker 2: like the scorch or what does he call himself? Era
Speaker 2: the scorcher and Ninerta calls himself something. But yeah, they're
Speaker 2: like cackling, and you know, uh.
Speaker 1: The Samians love to show off how many people they killed,
Speaker 1: and in their steles they put it well, I mean
Speaker 1: this is you know, post Sumerian, more post to Kadian, right,
Speaker 1: But they become more and more warlike and it becomes
Speaker 1: their job to go from town to town, you know,
Speaker 1: chopping off as many heads as possible, to collect as
Speaker 1: much tribute as possible. But this tribute system certainly does
Speaker 1: go back to this proto into European culture, where you
Speaker 1: have to pay the warlords so that they'll protect you,
Speaker 1: but they kind of reverse the order, so you've got
Speaker 1: to kill as many as possible so that they come
Speaker 1: back and know that you're serious and you mean business.
Speaker 1: So the Neo Assyrian Empire would leave these piles of
Speaker 1: heads outside of these cities, and if those piles of
Speaker 1: heads were disturbed in any way, they'd go back in
Speaker 1: and fill them up again. But it was, you know,
Speaker 1: really costly to their society, and nobody was farming anymore
Speaker 1: because they were just too busy killing everybody. So the
Speaker 1: tribute became less and less valuable over time. And to
Speaker 1: make matters worse, the tigers and the Euphrates River were
Speaker 1: very salty rivers. So as they're spreading all of this,
Speaker 1: you know, salty water all over their fields, it will alate,
Speaker 1: accumulate year by year until they've salted their own fields
Speaker 1: and there's nothing growing in them. So by the time
Speaker 1: the ten thousand roll around, which is this story from
Speaker 1: Greece about these these ten thousand soldiers that are used
Speaker 1: as mercenaries over in Mesopotamia and Iran or Persia. Right,
Speaker 1: they're seeing all of these zigarots that have been abandoned
Speaker 1: for hundreds and hundreds of years, and they're like, what
Speaker 1: the hell is this? They don't realize that those civilizations
Speaker 1: actually gave birth to a lot of the gods over
Speaker 1: in Greece. So they're looking at their origin stories and
Speaker 1: they have no idea because they've been able to keep
Speaker 1: it pretty much preserved in this.
Speaker 2: Oral history in Indie Sumerian stories. I mean, dude, it's
Speaker 2: it's pretty plain that they were walking around like you know,
Speaker 2: and I I don't know, maybe they're seeing them in
Speaker 2: visions because I've I have uh talked with people about
Speaker 2: the whole astro theology angle on it, and it all
Speaker 2: makes sense, but uh, there's something I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to say otherworldly, but definitely from some other realm.
Speaker 2: These these entities that have inhabited these archetypes and and
Speaker 2: uh played the roles of these these characters and these
Speaker 2: mythologies and these stories. There's something to it though, like
Speaker 2: they're they're connected. That's what I first started off doing.
Speaker 2: I just started off you know, in the in the
Speaker 2: Abrahamic uh more, you know the Sumerian stories, a Syria, Babylon,
Speaker 2: all all that stuff up to Egypt. I didn't really
Speaker 2: go past that into the I didn't start talking about
Speaker 2: the Greek pantheon, the Roman pantheon until I started talking
Speaker 2: to you or even any other European pantheons, dude. To
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I just I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: kind of stuck in these few little but now definitely
Speaker 2: seeing different connections. Like I was telling you earlier, I
Speaker 2: have to go back and redo these charts, which is
Speaker 2: going to take a couple of weeks, but it's worth it.
Speaker 2: I'll put them on Patreon.
Speaker 1: Really sick Pantheon, like like, well.
Speaker 2: I need your help with it then, and we can
Speaker 2: put it on the Occult Research Institute website and all
Speaker 2: all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: You got to look into the etruscans. The etruscans were
Speaker 1: really weird, really weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, we're we're going to have to make like
Speaker 2: charts and graphs because that's that's I'm I can do it, dude,
Speaker 2: if if you help me. I'm I'm very good at
Speaker 2: organizing things and making uh you know, I have tons
Speaker 2: of notebooks, full of notes and yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1: But the Etruscans, the Etruscans were very very close to
Speaker 1: the Obviously the Romans took over for the Etruscans, but
Speaker 1: the Etruscan language was another language isolated, right, So the
Speaker 1: Sumerians language isolated, Truscans language isolate. There's another society over
Speaker 1: in one of my good friends, Korean Atlas, she comes
Speaker 1: from a language isolate group over in Spain. Right, These
Speaker 1: language isolate groups, they assume are like the very first
Speaker 1: peoples because there are no other languages that contributed to
Speaker 1: their language that they could find. But the proto Indo
Speaker 1: European language was like the feeder language for Greek, German, Gothic, Roman,
Speaker 1: all of those other languages, they're all proto Indo European roots.
Speaker 1: Whereas language isolate groups like the Samerians, they're very special groups,
Speaker 1: very special.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I mean that's the one group that people
Speaker 2: say is you know, certain certain amount of years old.
Speaker 2: But when you look at the King's List and all that,
Speaker 2: it's like how old? How old was that civilization?
Speaker 1: What would they actually try to say with the King's List?
Speaker 1: And it's it's really interesting too. So Akkadian, right, So
Speaker 1: the Acadians were just north of Summer. That's a proto
Speaker 1: Indo European language. Sumerian language isolated. So the Akkadians tried
Speaker 1: to keep Sumerian as sort of like the religious language
Speaker 1: for their people, but they couldn't keep it up. It
Speaker 1: was just too weird to them.
Speaker 2: That's why the pantheons were so similar.
Speaker 1: Right. They wanted to keep it holy. They wanted to
Speaker 1: keep the cities holy, they wanted to keep the gods
Speaker 1: and goddesses holy because they really loved the Samerians, even
Speaker 1: after defeating them in battle. It was like this blooming
Speaker 1: of civilization. Sar Got of a Cat was the first
Speaker 1: conqueror of the Samarans, right, And his story is really
Speaker 1: interesting because it mirrors almost exactly Moses's story. He was
Speaker 1: found in the bulrushes in a basket by a royal family,
Speaker 1: and he was taught in that royal family, and he
Speaker 1: then becomes the you know, law giver to the people,
Speaker 1: Sargon of a Cat. So Sargt and Moses have so
Speaker 1: much in common, it's really hard not to see that
Speaker 1: they kind.
Speaker 2: Of Moses was doing some shit in that desert. Dude,
Speaker 2: My wife came up to me and was like, Moses
Speaker 2: was weird as fuck. I was like, yeah, dude, he
Speaker 2: was an alchemist, Like he came from the land of Kim, Like,
Speaker 2: y'all really don't think he was in that desert. He
Speaker 2: was whole. He was He had the sigil of Thoth.
Speaker 2: He was doing alchemy in that tent or wherever he was,
Speaker 2: like making flames appear and stuff like, yeah, he was
Speaker 2: doing alchemy. He's depicted within people who was he depicted
Speaker 2: with horns and those are al chemical horns. You will
Speaker 2: see other pictures of alchemists depicted with these horns coming
Speaker 2: from there. And I don't know what the link is
Speaker 2: to like the metaphysical part, but it's.
Speaker 1: Kingship, okay, it's kingship. This shows a level of mastery
Speaker 1: over the environment, over yourself, over all these things the
Speaker 1: horns represents. This is the ancient form of showing that
Speaker 1: you're a king is having these horns. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: back to the centaurs. The Cyprian centaurs had ox horns,
Speaker 1: which is very close to the idea of the moon. Right,
Speaker 1: So the Cypress, the you know, the centaurs that lived
Speaker 1: on Cypress had ox horns kind of interesting. Were they
Speaker 1: the kings of that sort of you know, centaur society?
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe, but we've lost a lot of
Speaker 1: history when it comes to the centaurs and when it
Speaker 1: comes to mythology, because who needs to know about this stuff?
Speaker 1: But I think it stretches so far back in the
Speaker 1: past that people don't realize how significant it is. Right
Speaker 1: these oral histories. Plato complained about the written word. He says,
Speaker 1: we're losing our memory because everybody's writing everything down. We
Speaker 1: got to get back to what we were doing before.
Speaker 1: With the oral history is so much better than writing
Speaker 1: everything down because now everybody's forgetting everything. How much worse
Speaker 1: is it with this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But you know this kind of goes into what I
Speaker 1: want to promote. Here is what Nick was working on
Speaker 1: for a long time. Right, he has a special on
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm blanket on his name with age
Speaker 1: alchemist who has burned at the steak hold on Giordano Bruno.
Speaker 1: So listen to that, because the irony of Giordana Bruno's
Speaker 1: story is just too rich. Right, So, Giordano Bruno is
Speaker 1: a Jewish guy in Spain. Well, he traveled all over
Speaker 1: the place. He went over from France over to England
Speaker 1: and then back over to Spain where he was ultimately
Speaker 1: burned at the steak. But Giordano Bruno was obsessed with
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff we're talking about, right, Obsessed with philosophy,
Speaker 1: obsessed with the classical world. He had all of this
Speaker 1: knowledge from the classical world. And one of the things
Speaker 1: he's best known for is the art of memory. They
Speaker 1: thought he was a witch because he had a working
Speaker 1: memory that was better than all the rest of them.
Speaker 1: He was using the techniques from Plato and all the
Speaker 1: rest of these polytheists in increasing and expanding his memory,
Speaker 1: and he brought that back to Europe, back to Europe
Speaker 1: because they had lost it because of the Jewish Bible.
Speaker 2: And this is they lost the mysteries. Yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is okay.
Speaker 1: So this is a Jewish man taking European culture, classical
Speaker 1: culture and trying to bring it back into Europe, right,
Speaker 1: and in so doing he pisses off the Philo Semites,
Speaker 1: the Christians who burned him at the stake for trying
Speaker 1: to re europeanize their culture.
Speaker 2: That's that's the only reason that they've think.
Speaker 1: About that for a second. Well, they didn't like any
Speaker 1: of his any of his stuff, which he was informed
Speaker 1: by all of this ancient European stuff that hadn't been
Speaker 1: around for a long time.
Speaker 2: So they can just tell them to leave.
Speaker 1: Well, they did several times. Everywhere we go they'd be like,
Speaker 1: get that European stuff out of here. We're practicing this
Speaker 1: Semitic Bible. You're a witch. Your memory works.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he can float right like he can
Speaker 2: remember that. That is fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting too is the muses. Do you know
Speaker 1: who the mother of the muses are? Nomasa Memory is
Speaker 1: the mother of inspiration? Wow, memory is the mother of
Speaker 1: the nine muses. Who's in charge of the nine muses?
Speaker 1: Apollo nine plus the one is the ten. This is
Speaker 1: the Kabbala tree you're looking at, right?
Speaker 2: Is Apollo that you were talking about? The Greek or whatever.
Speaker 1: Greek Kabbala is reconstructed after Christianity basically says you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to know any of this stuff about the ancient gods.
Speaker 1: But we see with the nine muses of Apollo being
Speaker 1: a perfect secretism with the Kabbala tree.
Speaker 2: I'd like to have you on to talk about that sometimes, dude.
Speaker 1: Right, So the Kabbala basically started out as Greek mythology,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of it in you know again,
Speaker 1: where did they get their gods from. They got it
Speaker 1: from the you know, the Mesopotamians right the Fertile Crescent.
Speaker 1: They had their own tree. You could see that that
Speaker 1: bird putting the you know, pine cone up to the tree.
Speaker 2: At the top of the c right.
Speaker 1: At the top of the cepharro.
Speaker 2: Dude, it's crazy. You're saying this because my co host
Speaker 2: on Elohimantomology said that. He said because I was like, well,
Speaker 2: we know the pine cone, you know, it can be
Speaker 2: a symbol for the panel, and he was like, I
Speaker 2: think it it is symbolic of you know, the sphere
Speaker 2: of the soul or well, I can't remember exactly how
Speaker 2: he said it coming up from malcouth then to the
Speaker 2: top of the you know, tree of life. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, wow, dude, and that's that's that's crazy
Speaker 2: that he just I don't know. He was talking about
Speaker 2: that over a year ago on this other show I
Speaker 2: was doing, and I didn't understand it like I do now,
Speaker 2: So what were.
Speaker 1: You saying about the pine cone? Because I got something
Speaker 1: to show you.
Speaker 4: What about the panel, pine cone paneal, Yeah, all right,
Speaker 4: take a look at this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the hand of Sebasias. I've gone over
Speaker 1: this so many times. What's on that thumb right there?
Speaker 2: The pine cone?
Speaker 1: There's a pine cone right there on the thumb is
Speaker 1: the gesture he's making. No, So you got the two
Speaker 1: fingers right here, right in front of that snake that's
Speaker 1: wrapped around the whole thing.
Speaker 4: I see that right here, the thumb and.
Speaker 1: These two fingers are up. This is called the hand
Speaker 1: of benediction in Christianity. But they just took the hand
Speaker 1: of Sabazios and made the hand of benediction right so
Speaker 1: you could see all the symbols from all this Greek
Speaker 1: religion stuff all packed tightly into this one hand.
Speaker 4: Dude, it' isn't that weird?
Speaker 1: So let's look up the hand of benediction.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, even that pine cone symbol going back, like
Speaker 2: in Genesis thirty two, whenever Jacob wrestles with God, he
Speaker 2: calls the place Pinio literally just so it's literally he
Speaker 2: he It's symbolic of him going into his you know,
Speaker 2: mind's eye and finding God right like he was just
Speaker 2: an initiate. Like that's that's how I see it. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But we could see this hand of Benediction. It's all
Speaker 1: over Catholicism, and they've got this massive pine cone out
Speaker 1: in front of the you know, the Vatican.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, dude, you see pine cones we went when
Speaker 2: we went to Lexington to see my sister in law,
Speaker 2: uh there was We we went to I think the
Speaker 2: Robert E. Lee Church and uh d there were pine
Speaker 2: cones everywhere there was. I actually posted some pictures on Instagram.
Speaker 2: There was a podium with a dove ascending and a
Speaker 2: triangle with an eye inside of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, this is oh my god, this
Speaker 2: is cool. Man. And then it had dude, it was
Speaker 2: had pine cones everywhere. It was awesome. And then we
Speaker 2: went inside the school, the military school in uh where
Speaker 2: they have like a bunch of artwork and stuff, and
Speaker 2: they had the Cupid and Psyche thing and in there
Speaker 2: they had they had statues outside of Athena because it
Speaker 2: I think it was the military school that we went to,
Speaker 2: so they had statue of Athena outside. Dude, they had that.
Speaker 2: They had a few of them, I'm pretty sure a
Speaker 2: few different goddesses they had. I think they had a Minerva.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well is the Roman Athena.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so they they had they they they had
Speaker 2: a few statues. It was awesome going there. I was like,
Speaker 2: and it's an old school v M I whatever.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah dude.
Speaker 2: It was cool though, oldest lodge ever too, right there
Speaker 2: in Glasgow. Uh at my brother in law exactly anyway,
Speaker 2: not Illuminati confirmed, guys. He's not my brother in law yet,
Speaker 2: but uh, he's a good guy. He's a good guy.
Speaker 2: He's he's he's uh, I want to say too much,
Speaker 2: but uh, he's in the Blue Lodge. So it's just
Speaker 2: like a social thing. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Well, they need to learn about these symbols because we're
Speaker 1: losing them fast.
Speaker 2: He likes to hear me talk about stuff, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he he he loves to hear hear my takes on
Speaker 2: on things. So but anyway, but you'll be joining us
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning for Esotery book review. Yeah, well, if you
Speaker 2: like it, dude, you're you're more than welcome to join
Speaker 2: us again. Nick is usually with us. I don't think
Speaker 2: he'll be able to join us tomorrow.
Speaker 1: If you want to know about Cupid and Psyche, that's
Speaker 1: what this book has. It's got a massive section with
Speaker 1: the myth of Cupid and Psyche in it, in the
Speaker 1: same cave where this guy is trying to get these
Speaker 1: bandits drunk so that he can knock them out and
Speaker 1: then save his girl. It's a great book. I don't
Speaker 1: know why more people don't read it.
Speaker 2: Get the Golden Ass, people the Golden Assabody Headless gets
Speaker 2: paid every time he names the book. Hey, so give
Speaker 2: a conclusion. So what does Karen? What does he represent?
Speaker 1: Well? To me? Chiron represents the idea of teaching and mastering, right,
Speaker 1: And so Kyiron is always sort of like the symbol
Speaker 1: of bringing up a new generation of heroes. Right. There's
Speaker 1: a huge list of heroes that he trained in his cave. Again,
Speaker 1: kind of like the movie in Hercules. It's like all
Speaker 1: these other guys were chumps, but you're the champ. Right.
Speaker 1: He's constantly trying to train these guys in the most
Speaker 1: humane and best way that he can. And so this
Speaker 1: is the symbol of Chiron is sort of like this
Speaker 1: elevated beast. Right, he becomes more than a man, he
Speaker 1: becomes a god. He becomes this thing through his service
Speaker 1: to these kids who grow up to do these awesome things.
Speaker 1: So Chiron becomes sort of like the symbol for pedagogy
Speaker 1: in ancient Greece. He is, that's how you're supposed to
Speaker 1: bring up young men, is the way that Chiron would
Speaker 1: teach them.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Very important symbol. I think not a lot of people
Speaker 1: really make that association. But all the rest of the centaurs,
Speaker 1: they were complete beasts, right. This goes back to the
Speaker 1: bumbling nature of Heracles. Is like, he has to kill
Speaker 1: all these centaurs because they're completely out of control, and
Speaker 1: he ends up killing his his teacher in the process,
Speaker 1: and even in his death he commits an act of
Speaker 1: selfless service by giving Prometheus immortality. But Chyron was like,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about the Cave of mysteries as well
Speaker 1: the Yellowcdian mystery schools, you have to go into the
Speaker 1: Cave of Chiron to learn the mysteries. So there is
Speaker 1: an underworld element to this as well. And if I
Speaker 1: if I can go back to that hand of Sebasios,
Speaker 1: we see that Zeus was also a let me see
Speaker 1: here there we go. Okay, So yeah, if you pull
Speaker 1: that up, you can see right there in the cave
Speaker 1: in the wrist right. You see the cave in the wrist,
Speaker 1: that Zeus being suckled inside of the cave. Right, this
Speaker 1: would be Chiron's cave. This would be the learning cave.
Speaker 1: This would be the womb of the Earth. Right. He's
Speaker 1: suckling on the she goat, right, and the she goat
Speaker 1: has this other beast that would be aw what are
Speaker 1: they call what the eyes on their tail? Right. So
Speaker 1: you've also got Hara. That's her symbol. It's the peacock, right,
Speaker 1: So the peacock and Harah and then baby Zeus and
Speaker 1: it sort of grows up into all this other stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: this is the python that was slayed by Apollo. Right,
Speaker 1: And we've also got the scales of themis or Dkay right,
Speaker 1: So all of the gods symbols are sort of encapsulated
Speaker 1: into this one symbol, the hand of Sebasio's and so
Speaker 1: this was the hand of the mysteries the Roman period,
Speaker 1: So this was kind of like a revitalization of the
Speaker 1: ancient ways. And they would have all sorts of weird
Speaker 1: stuff too, like this guy over here, Dude, I want
Speaker 1: to make one. I want to cast one of these things.
Speaker 1: They haven't made in two thousand years. I think so
Speaker 1: all of the hand of Sabaziosis would go on the
Speaker 1: top of a pole, so they would have an empty
Speaker 1: space inside the wrist, and you would lift this up
Speaker 1: so that everybody could follow you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so fucking cool, dude, that's so cool. Man.
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Oh guys, So this Sabazios right here.
Speaker 1: The Sabazios character was very closely associated with Dionysus, the
Speaker 1: dying and rising god. Okay, right, and sob again. Right here,
Speaker 1: it's the womb of the earth inside of the palm
Speaker 1: of the hand. You've got the eagle flying down. That's
Speaker 1: Zeus's eagle, Zeus's birth and Zeus's eagle all the same thing.
Speaker 1: Here's another weird one. Look at that the huge pine
Speaker 1: cone right there. Right, you got the lizard that would
Speaker 1: be kind of this, uh, you know, the fiery lizard.
Speaker 1: This is another instance of Sabazios again, like the hand
Speaker 1: of the Mysteries was supposed to encompass all of the mysteries.
Speaker 1: And what do we see at the top right, We've
Speaker 1: got moon and the sun. Yeah, you've got Hermes down here.
Speaker 1: But the hand of Sabazios, it's all of the things
Speaker 1: all combined into one. It was like Catholicism, universalism.
Speaker 2: Fascinating. I love it, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So if you guys want to help me
Speaker 1: cast a hand of Sabazios, let me know, because I
Speaker 1: definitely want. Ah. Here's another good one, So that's cool.
Speaker 1: What is the dark star on the on the thumb,
Speaker 1: the snaky eye in the in the belly.
Speaker 2: That's very reminiscent of my own. It kind of reminds
Speaker 2: me of an eye of Horace.
Speaker 1: The Sabazios character is the link between east and west, right,
Speaker 1: because oftentimes he's pictured with this moon, and the moon
Speaker 1: is the Shiva thing, right, So Shiva has the moon
Speaker 1: on his head, and Sabazios has the moon on his head.
Speaker 1: The dying and rising god. Shiva is supposed to sleep
Speaker 1: for thousands of years and then rise from the dead,
Speaker 1: and then all of this other stuff and it all
Speaker 1: links back together through I think the most important. Here
Speaker 1: we go, that's another goe. You could see the the
Speaker 1: moon right on top of his head, right, just like Shiva.
Speaker 1: And he's also wearing the Phrygian cap.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's just like I was gonna say, that's
Speaker 2: just like a fucking both. I think he has the
Speaker 2: moon on his head as well.
Speaker 1: Right, and so it's all coming through the spot in Turkey.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's any coincidence that this is
Speaker 1: where gobecy Teppy is right, This is the place where
Speaker 1: east meets west. This is all of it. So from
Speaker 1: here it goes down into uh, you know Mesopotamia and
Speaker 1: the Scythians actually occupied the Mesopotamian region for a long time,
Speaker 1: you know. So Thrace, where all of this Dying and
Speaker 1: Rising God motif starts, is where Paul is sending his
Speaker 1: letters about Jesus, I know, dying and got Rising God.
Speaker 2: So is he hearing all all these stories in in
Speaker 2: Thrace and basing his letters off of uh.
Speaker 1: Paul where Tarsus is also an Anatolia. So there's a
Speaker 1: very ancient cult going on in Anatolia. This is where
Speaker 1: Handa Sabazios is coming on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to do a deep dive on the
Speaker 2: Anatolian gods. Very interesting pantheon.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it gets so deep. And watch Robbie Marx.
Speaker 1: Robbie Mall.
Speaker 2: Let's get Robbie on for one of these I don't know,
Speaker 2: let's uh, let's reach out. Yeah, definitely, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could definitely do that because there is a
Speaker 1: rustic motif to a lot of this stuff as well. Again,
Speaker 1: it's frontierism, right, They're showing you the frontier, the frontier
Speaker 1: of knowledge, the frontier with all the rest of these
Speaker 1: things is encompassed in their symbols that they're trying to
Speaker 1: give to you and expanding your brain. Right here are
Speaker 1: the symbols. Make it work inside your head. And once
Speaker 1: you do, that's like an initiation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it seems really chaotic and completely nonsensical, crazy from
Speaker 1: the outside, but once you can start to put these
Speaker 1: pieces together, you could take it all the way back
Speaker 1: to the origin of the mag kid. Really, I mean
Speaker 1: go back you Teppy. And you know in Go Becky Teppy,
Speaker 1: they have what they call the mast well, no that's
Speaker 1: they don't call it that there, But there's this motif
Speaker 1: called the Master of Beasts. Right. You see this a
Speaker 1: lot in Samaria as well. The Master of Beast motif
Speaker 1: is this guy with his hand on his jump a
Speaker 1: lot like Priapis.
Speaker 2: Priapis is he a rusted god?
Speaker 1: Very much?
Speaker 2: Though? Oh I can't wait for that episode, dude.
Speaker 1: We can go from Priapus to his Roman counterpart with it,
Speaker 1: which is fashion Noos.
Speaker 2: We've talked about Fashion Noos before. He's even better, you know,
Speaker 2: his is even bigger. I think if if, if, I'm
Speaker 2: going to be honest, but uh yeah up there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I have to make that stream,
Speaker 2: uh for the morning. So if you want to put
Speaker 2: your plugs in, dude.
Speaker 1: All right. So if we were talking about Alchemy, I've
Speaker 1: got an Alchemy show on Monday, Alchemy Monday, so definitely
Speaker 1: check that out. And I've got the trialogue with Ethan
Speaker 1: Indigo and uh Ricardo, so check that out on Sunday
Speaker 1: as well. And I've got a bunch of podcasts that
Speaker 1: I'm doing tomorrow as well, so check all of those
Speaker 1: out and it'll be a good time. Definitely look up
Speaker 1: the Rustic Gods on Theoi. THEOI is a great resource
Speaker 1: for all of this stuff. They try to get the
Speaker 1: parentage right, they try to tell you the variations on it,
Speaker 1: and they also have all of the the orphic hymns.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's an orphic hymn to chirn, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of orphic hymns. They have a lot
Speaker 1: of repeating orphic hymns too. Everybody had their own variations
Speaker 1: on this stuff. Land is how they saw the gods, right,
Speaker 1: So Land was the lens, and from that lens you
Speaker 1: get a lot of variations from place to place, but
Speaker 1: essentially it's all coming through the same source.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, dude. I uh, Like I said, I've learned
Speaker 2: a lot from these episodes doing these with you.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, well, it's been fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to raid somebody now because I'll
Speaker 2: get bitched at by.
Speaker 4: Him if I don't Rusting John Bone Jules didn't even.
Speaker 1: We're kind of at the frontier place too, because rust
Speaker 1: the gods are frontier gods, right, So outside of the cities,
Speaker 1: outside of all this stuff, it was unconquered territory. You know,
Speaker 1: this is where the bravest people. And we're at a
Speaker 1: frontier point ourselves, like we don't know which way we're
Speaker 1: going to be going as a society. So I think
Speaker 1: having the knowledge of all of this frontier ism will
Speaker 1: give us better examples of how to form stuff that works.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Definitely. Again, I'm learning a lot every episode, dude, So
Speaker 2: I'm glad we decided to do this together. Guys, be
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