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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen us.

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<v Speaker 2>What's gonna happen? What?

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<v Speaker 1>Dude?

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<v Speaker 2>I really dig that song on on on the intro,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Occult Rejects. I should have started with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I am one of your two hosts, Jules Uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>host of the Gray Pill podcast with me the second host,

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<v Speaker 2>Headless Giant, the host of the Headless Giant podcast. I

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<v Speaker 2>am the Mississippi missed it. He is the Hellenic Schizo

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<v Speaker 2>poster and Uh. This is Rustic Gods, Episode five, Episode five, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope everyone had a good week. Headless. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great. I had a terrible day at work,

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<v Speaker 1>as it is always on Friday. I'm used to it

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<v Speaker 1>by now. Yeah, and I'm ready to go. This is

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a good one. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people wonder about the centaurs, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with the centaurs, And we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>to the bottom of that because we've got the centaur

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<v Speaker 1>god Tyron. Yes, if you don't know about Chiron, he

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<v Speaker 1>plays a very pivotal role in Greek mythology and also

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<v Speaker 1>very misunderstood role intentionally intentionally, So I guess let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with the modern interpretation of of the Chiron, right, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's look at that real quick. Let's see here if

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<v Speaker 1>I could find it. So and in modern days they've

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<v Speaker 1>taken this figure of Chiron and they've turned him into

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<v Speaker 1>a pedophile. Right, so he's not a teacher. He's actually

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<v Speaker 1>sexually abusing children. All these children, all these heroes that

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<v Speaker 1>grow up and do great things. The modern interpretation, by

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of these you know, rainbow obsessed academics, has

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<v Speaker 1>been to turn him into a you know, a pedophile.

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<v Speaker 1>But not the case. There is nothing in the Greek

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<v Speaker 1>mythology that would imply that he's actually doing horrible things

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<v Speaker 1>to these children. Right. In fact, that's the opposite of

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<v Speaker 1>his character in all of the myths.

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<v Speaker 2>He's right here, if if if these are kids, they

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<v Speaker 2>may be just regular, uh, you know, just regular sized humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he a pretty big guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well he was, he was not. I mean, centaurs, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>they're half half animal, and so this torso part of

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<v Speaker 1>them had to be bigger too. So the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the centaurs themselves were very massive and imposing animal human hybrids.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because you don't see a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>centaurs in other cultures, right, so you'll find that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the pan mythology of a half human half goat that's

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<v Speaker 1>repeated in other parts of the world. You'll find half

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<v Speaker 1>human half goat kind of figures or fawns in other

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the world. Yeah, satyrs, but you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to find centaurs anywhere else. And I think that goes

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<v Speaker 1>way way back in history, like these are the first

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<v Speaker 1>riders of the horse, and way back when people didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they were looking at when they saw people

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<v Speaker 1>riding horses, right, because this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can imagine an F sixteen in the Stone Age,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the horse was, right, So when they saw

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<v Speaker 1>people riding horseback, they thought that they were all one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the you know theory at least. And so Thessaly,

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<v Speaker 1>where all of the centaurs come from, is really close

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<v Speaker 1>to the origin point for a lot of the Give

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<v Speaker 1>me a second, can the Scythians? Right, So the Scythians

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<v Speaker 1>were some of the first horse riding people, and Thessaly

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of Scythians sort of occupying that territory

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<v Speaker 1>and they were undefeated in battle. They loved to drink.

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<v Speaker 1>They love to you know, corrouse with women and all

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of this stuff. And we see those character

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<v Speaker 1>traits sort of carried on with the centaurs in Greek mythology,

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<v Speaker 1>except for what is chyron? Right, So as we saw

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<v Speaker 1>with that image you were showing Chiron's wearing a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Greek outfit. He doesn't need to like it's it's covering

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<v Speaker 1>up his chest and stuff like, do you have those?

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<v Speaker 1>I just took a sheet and actually pin that.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, but I have to have to make one. So

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<v Speaker 2>we should probably start doing these shows in some some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of toga. Yeah, dude, I'm down if you are, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we do a part six. We're coming back

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<v Speaker 1>in togas. Look after that ladies Boga Fridays.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nicking the toga with the with with the thing

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<v Speaker 2>on his head.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's gonna be great. But yeah, that's make it

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<v Speaker 1>more like a symposium feel where everybody's just wearing sheets

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<v Speaker 1>and chilling out drinking wine. You know, you gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>some wine. And the Greek way to drink wine is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting. What they would do is fifty wine water.

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<v Speaker 2>That's smart.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't drunk.

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<v Speaker 2>Is fast, dude. I'm sure their wine was stout too, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet that it was was real strong, Like hell,

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<v Speaker 2>they made it right outside their house, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody had a winery, you know, and they were they

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<v Speaker 1>were all making wine and enjoying wine. Fifty wine FIFA

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<v Speaker 1>Save alcohol. So it's funny because you could actually find

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<v Speaker 1>this in the book that we're going to be doing tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>The Golden Ass. They talk about how, uh, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>is infiltrating this den of thieves, right, and he just

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<v Speaker 1>starts cutting back the water right because he wants all

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<v Speaker 1>these thieves to pass out. So he's you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>starts out handing out the coylyxes with you know, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent water, and then he's like, all right, a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot less water, a whole lot more wine. And so

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting these guys drunk as fuck just so he

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<v Speaker 1>can have them pass out and he could save the girl.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so it's interesting, you know, they talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About it also interesting the water and the wine metaphoor thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, yeah, else have you seen that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What came first, chicken or the egg?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Well, this wasn't very common and you know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess rome they kind of they didn't do it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that was mostly a group thing. They just drank wine straight,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they weren't they were impregnating it with the water.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if you think about it, you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually do a lot with the water before you put

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<v Speaker 1>it in the line. But what's interesting to me is

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<v Speaker 1>that the the image of Chiron is always having him

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<v Speaker 1>in the toegun, right, he is the civilized centaur. All

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the centaurs, they don't work clothes at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right, right, But of course he's not covering up

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<v Speaker 3>his junk because obviously his junk is further back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's he really covering? I think it was just

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<v Speaker 1>more of a symbol of this is the elevating Chiron.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the educating Chiron. This is the teacher. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It sure that he has he has like a place

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<v Speaker 2>of authority or he's like an elder right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, he was very old by the time he,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, started talking with Hercules and training him.

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<v Speaker 2>So two Achilles. Is is that a rabbit hanging off

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<v Speaker 2>of that?

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like it, Nick, But you know, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>teacher of hunting. He was the teacher of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>agrarian arts. He's the guy who taught everything to our

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<v Speaker 1>staves as well. So Aura Staveus was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ones mentored by him. Hercules, Achilles, all of these people

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<v Speaker 1>with the cave of Chiron and they were brought up.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the movie Hercules, They showed him being

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<v Speaker 1>mentored by this you know fom Yeah, yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>an accurate phil right, it was another mythical creature. It

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<v Speaker 1>was Chirn that was teaching. So it wasn't a satter.

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<v Speaker 2>They should make a movie about Chyron.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be interesting. Well in the movie, in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie Bougonia, the character of Chiron was played by the

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<v Speaker 1>only Greek man in the film, right, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what part they kept. Of course, they kept the pedophilia, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to because it's one of these movies where

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're just going with the modern interpretation of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So they turned him into a cop, right, And this

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<v Speaker 1>cop was also the babysitter of the main character. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he kept apologizing to the main character over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again, to Jesse about what he did when he

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<v Speaker 1>was younger, and he's like, I didn't do it to

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<v Speaker 1>anybody else, it was just you. And it's like they're

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<v Speaker 1>going with this modern interpretation of Chiron, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this horrible pedophile and guess what, he didn't teach Jesse anything.

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<v Speaker 1>All they had to do to make it a much

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<v Speaker 1>more interesting, better movie was just by having him be

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<v Speaker 1>more of a teacher character. What if this this cop

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<v Speaker 1>was actually the guy who taught this Jesse about the aliens,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, that would have changed the whole thing, because

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time when the cop shows up at the house,

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking, oh, well, he's gonna you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>tension there between you know, this woman trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>free from the basement and you know, maybe this cop

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<v Speaker 1>who could savor Well, what if the cop is the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who actually instructed him to start kidnapping these aliens

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, that would have changed the whole dynamic.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you can see here, you know, chyn is

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<v Speaker 1>the pre eminent sort of teacher of the heroes. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the Scythians, the Scythians were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the teachers of the Greeks, right. The Scythians occupied

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<v Speaker 1>this role of both being the goldsmith of the Greeks

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<v Speaker 1>and the police force of the Greeks. Goldsmith and policing.

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<v Speaker 1>These are two very separate things, right, What are these Scythians,

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<v Speaker 1>these horseback riding nomads doing as the police and also

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<v Speaker 1>the goldsmiths. This is where Proto Indo European comes in

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<v Speaker 1>very handy, because the Scythian language, the Greek language, all

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<v Speaker 1>of these roots come through Proto Indo European and in

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<v Speaker 1>the Proto Indo European roots, what we find is that

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<v Speaker 1>these Germanic tribes, like the Scythians, had a split, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So from the Scythians you would have the Plastians, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Plastians ended up becoming the Mysonians, and the Mysonians

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<v Speaker 1>ended up becoming the Greeks. So from that perspective you

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<v Speaker 1>can kind of see that they were going to the

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<v Speaker 1>Scythians as sort of like the root culture for the Greeks.

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<v Speaker 1>What were the Scythians doing or what were the Placians

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<v Speaker 1>doing before any of this stuff in Greece. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>Proto Indo European tribes, the first people on horseback, the

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<v Speaker 1>Yamnaya and all the rest of them. What they would

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<v Speaker 1>do is they would set up shop in these you

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<v Speaker 1>know places where you would have populations of humans and

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<v Speaker 1>they would stay separate, and they said, look, if you

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<v Speaker 1>pay us a little bit of money every month, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of gold every month, we'll give you protection.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were the police force and the goldsmiths from

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<v Speaker 1>way way way back before the Greeks. Right when the

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<v Speaker 1>Greeks first saw these people on horseback, or these tribes

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<v Speaker 1>on horseback, they were thinking that they were all one thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the primitive perspective that gives you the centaur. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>those same centaur people kind of occupy a position of

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<v Speaker 1>authority within the Greek civilization as not only the people

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<v Speaker 1>you give your goal to, but also the police because

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<v Speaker 1>they're protecting you. So the centaur idea, if the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>academics are right about people getting confused about who's the

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<v Speaker 1>horse who's the rider, could go back to that proto

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<v Speaker 1>Indo European route, which was all about you know, basically

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<v Speaker 1>setting up shop. Nobility would then become the landlord, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would pay the landlord to keep you safe. Very

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<v Speaker 1>this is the beginning of banking, right, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the gold trade. These are the guys that

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<v Speaker 2>So this still had nice, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically this is like the beginning of civilization. And

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<v Speaker 1>important because these were the only guys that had the horse, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the f sixteen in the Stone Age. Right, they bred

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<v Speaker 1>the horse from a stout creature whose legs were too short,

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<v Speaker 1>a war weapon. If you've ever spent time around horses,

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<v Speaker 1>they're skittish, they're scared of everything. They had to breed

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<v Speaker 1>these things and train these things to want to go

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much you got you gotta ask yourself how linked

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<v Speaker 1>incredible amount of spiritual prowess when you think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean people who own horses and people

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<v Speaker 2>who breed horses and train horses that that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a spiritual relationship that they have with the horses.

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<v Speaker 2>They like sing to them and stuff, and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like very smart creatures. So do you think it was

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<v Speaker 2>just symbolic then of these horsemen.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if smart is the right word as

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<v Speaker 1>much as it is perceptive, right, Prey animals have to

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<v Speaker 1>be more perceptive then the uh, you know, the the predators.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to know when to run and when to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out, right, and between horse and rider, what you

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<v Speaker 1>This is how I survive? And the rider is thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how can I get more in tune with

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<v Speaker 1>the horse so that we can be better in battle?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's almost like the merging of man and animal,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, that's important, right, This is the foundational building

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<v Speaker 1>block of how these proto Indo European people were able

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<v Speaker 1>to conquer everything is by merging their consciousness with a horse.

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<v Speaker 1>And horses have incredibly large energetic fields, right, and for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your heartbeat something not too uncommon when we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about you know, these prey animals turned domestic animals.

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<v Speaker 1>You get this a lot with the cows too. Cows

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<v Speaker 1>are like big giant field puppies, right. Well, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you develop a relationship with the cow. They're never going

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<v Speaker 2>That, especially the ones that you milk, like like you

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<v Speaker 2>know the little milking cows there, but the big you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that you breed for beef or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, I've seen those charge after people and

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<v Speaker 2>kids and and try to you know, break through fences

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like, like nearly kill themselves trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>at somebody. Those things can fuck you up. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those those other cows, they're they're they're sweet, man, They're

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<v Speaker 1>You know. These are all characteristics that were brit into

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<v Speaker 1>them in a time when the written word wasn't around.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to pass this stuff on from generation to

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<v Speaker 1>generation and create these breeds of cows, breeds of horses,

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<v Speaker 1>and that took an immense amount patience and resource, very

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<v Speaker 1>resource heavy, right, you had to constantly be rotating them

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<v Speaker 1>around the land. And I guess what these Scythians were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>These were nomadic peoples that had basically the top weapon

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<v Speaker 1>that anybody had ever seen before. And to think that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the centaur idea comes from this merging of consciousnesses,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a really different way of looking at things, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it wouldn't just be the you know, Scythians

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<v Speaker 1>who would be centaur like. You would also have up

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<v Speaker 1>on the step. You've got these you know, the huns, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got all these other horse people that were really

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<v Speaker 1>heavily influenced by these Proto Germanic tribes. Right, These Proto

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<v Speaker 1>Germanic tribes sort of set the whole basis for what

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<v Speaker 1>we have today in a lot of ways, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>the gold and also the you know, Mongolia and the

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<v Speaker 1>Mongolian stuff. They're still engaging in that ancient, ancient way

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<v Speaker 1>of life, you know, and to this day the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of Asia and Europe are still scared of Mongolians, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if they ever get back on their shit, we're focked

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<v Speaker 1>them all. Yeah, they're terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're bred to fucking like, you know, like they're

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<v Speaker 2>best friends or hawks, you know, or falcon falcons.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can see why Deus Potter, these ancient gods

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<v Speaker 1>would be so important to them. And what's interesting is

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<v Speaker 1>that all of these Greek philosophers, they were taught by Scythians.

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<v Speaker 1>They were taught by chirn. This is where they got

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<v Speaker 1>their religious basis from, is these nomadic tribes. Right. So

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<v Speaker 1>Deus Patter is one of the Scythian god gods, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that was sort of the center of their world, and

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<v Speaker 1>they they developed all of this stuff through Greek society

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<v Speaker 1>from this Deus Patter character. A lot of the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>about Zeus and Cronos and all the rest of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff comes through that Scythian line, like this sky father, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the sky fathers Anu, all the rest of these

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<v Speaker 1>things really come through that that you know, nomadic tribesmen,

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<v Speaker 1>version of reality, the sky and the earth Gaia and right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the combination of heaven, the and it's all so,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the spiritual with the physical meaning, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>with the you know, the symbolism with the horse and

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<v Speaker 2>the man. You know, it's it's it's uh, the nature

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<v Speaker 2>of I guess is higher and lower nature, always being

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<v Speaker 2>represented by animals, and it always means something different. But

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<v Speaker 2>you find that a lot. But uh, now, I I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to think that these these dudes were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>half half horses, you know, taking charge and and wrecking ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, by the time that we get into sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the contemporary Greek history where they're writing down all the stories, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>centaurro Maki or the Centaur battles had already happened, So

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<v Speaker 1>they had already been wiped out by the time that

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<v Speaker 1>they're being written about by these these Greek historical right.

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<v Speaker 2>All of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they say yeah, and it was good of

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<v Speaker 1>but again, you know, there's not too many other cultures

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<v Speaker 1>really see that. And some people say that they were

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<v Speaker 1>the sons of Apollo as well. So Apollo is also

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<v Speaker 1>another sky Daddy character, right, he's the son he's white.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, huh, but yeah, it's it's just right here, Who's

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<v Speaker 2>who's the training right here?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but that could be Hercules, because Hercules

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<v Speaker 1>is the one who accidentally stabbed Chiron with the arrow

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<v Speaker 1>that had the.

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<v Speaker 2>Poison from Hydra, right from the hydra. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>and then he had to like do some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>trade with Prometheus for his immortality or something, and uh

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<v Speaker 2>set Prometheus free.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well that's what saved Prometheus for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>until he was released by Hercules. So Hercules, Heracles was

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<v Speaker 1>the son of Zeus going against his father's wishes to

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<v Speaker 1>release Prometheus from the Caucasus Mountains. And again Caucasus Mountains

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Sea region. This is all about the Scythians, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so they had a Scythian version of Prometheus as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just China that has a Prometheus. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just the Greeks that has a Prometheus. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just Rome that sort of took takes the Mythris character

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<v Speaker 1>and combines the Chinese Prometheus with the Greek Prometheus. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also the Scythians that have a Scythian Prometheus as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the Scythian Prometheus has a bien very strong

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<v Speaker 1>similarity to this stuff. And again here we see the

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<v Speaker 1>Scythian horseback riders granting eternal life to Prometheus and then

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<v Speaker 1>being released by the son of Zeus. So Prometheus was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge threat to the gods. If it wasn't for Prometheus,

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<v Speaker 1>the Olympians would not have beaten the Titans. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>Prometheus his gift was forethought. That's what his name means, Prometheus,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be pro thought for thought. His brother is Epimetheus,

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<v Speaker 1>which is afterthought. So Prometheus was the incredibly smart one

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<v Speaker 1>and Epimetheus was incredibly dumb, which gives us to the

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<v Speaker 1>first women.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Benjamin said, the wounded healer. Yeah, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>kyen like a he of some sorts, and he couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even heal himself whenever.

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<v Speaker 1>Pyron taught the healing arts. And there was no cure

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<v Speaker 1>for the hydro's blood. It is an uncurable poison, and

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<v Speaker 1>that could be in reference to some sort of drug

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<v Speaker 1>as well. You know, they like to use all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of exotic herbs and stuff. There could have been hydra

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<v Speaker 1>heerb that made you mad forever. But you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>they were all about the divine madness, So this could

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<v Speaker 1>be relating to other things that we might have lost

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the years. Shout out, so Epimetheus, this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the stories of creation. Epimetheus is tasked with giving

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<v Speaker 1>the animals, the newly minted animals, all these very interesting

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<v Speaker 1>traits that made them unique. So to the cats he

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<v Speaker 1>would give the claws right, and to the birds he

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<v Speaker 1>would give wings. And then when man came up to

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<v Speaker 1>bat he was lot of stuff, special things.

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<v Speaker 2>So his brother took care of man.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, gave us forethought knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fire, fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire, well that's part of it. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>fire element of it was already part of mankind. Zeus

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<v Speaker 1>took it away from us, so he had to go

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<v Speaker 1>on to Mount Olyppus to get it back for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Because essentially Prometheus was the origin of mankind. He was

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<v Speaker 1>making a new titan race out of the clay, out

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<v Speaker 1>of the earth, not the spiritual substance, but the earthly substance,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's sort of what the Titans are, more earthy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Inky, dude, it's the same Inky was making,

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<v Speaker 2>like making uh, well, what's his name, it'll come to me.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was making, yeah, doing the same stuff out

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<v Speaker 2>of clay and stuff, and making other types of humans

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<v Speaker 2>humanoids almost you could say, like any type of cryptid.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy, it seemed to have genetically engineered, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And as I went over last time, we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Promethean play, so we only have Prometheus

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<v Speaker 1>bout right, but it was a three part play, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so there were two other parts again, the first part

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<v Speaker 1>of Prometheus where he's turning on the Titans to join

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<v Speaker 1>the Olympians and fight against the Titans in Titana making

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<v Speaker 1>and then Prometheus Bound where he's stuck up on this

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00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>mountain and all of these characters are coming and paying

414
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>their condolences and trying to get information out of them.

415
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>One of the main things that Zeus wanted to get

416
00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:00.119
<v Speaker 1>out of Prometheus was the name of Zeus's success, Yes,

417
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:06.319
<v Speaker 1>and so he kept sending enemies hermes to the mountain

418
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>to get the name out of Prometheus because Prometheus knows

419
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:13.519
<v Speaker 1>the future, right, and so he's trying to torture Prometheus

420
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>into telling him who the successor to Zeus is going

421
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:21.039
<v Speaker 1>to be. I think he keeps it a secret, but

422
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 1>it's Achilles. Achilles was supposed to be the successor to Zeus.

423
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 1>And so when Achilles' soul is incarnate on the earth,

424
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that's when his mother, Achilles' mother dips him in the river,

425
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:43.279
<v Speaker 1>sticks by his ankle so he cannot be touched. It's

426
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>very similar to the stories in Norse mythology with is

427
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 1>it tear where the only way that you can kill

428
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>him is with the sprig of.

429
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.119
<v Speaker 4>Balder.

430
00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>There we go, Yeah, let's see. Yeah, I agreement, Let's see. Hmmm.

431
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just looking at stuff on Prometheus right now.

432
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So it's not a it's.

433
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Not a bad combination. Kyron in Virgo, that's not particularly.

434
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Are you talking about what Ben said?

435
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hmhmm. We have a couple of Centaurs in the sky,

436
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:42.799
<v Speaker 1>but Kyron, after giving his immortality to Prometheus, Zeus decides

437
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to add him to the constellations, and so we've got Centaurus, right,

438
00:30:50.759 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and then is it Sagittarius? I think I think it's Sagittarius,

439
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 1>that's the other one. But the staris is a southern sky,

440
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:10.559
<v Speaker 1>and I believe Sagittarius is the Western sky. But again,

441
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.559
<v Speaker 1>like we see the idea of archery, and we see

442
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.759
<v Speaker 1>the idea of horseback archery, which is something that is,

443
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the most important sports in all

444
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of Mongolia is this horseback archery. It shows not only

445
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 1>mastery of the animal, it shows mastery of the weapon.

446
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>And having these, you know, people on horseback firing arrows

447
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 1>in a time when people were throwing stones, you're screwed.

448
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what could you possibly do against several riders

449
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>on horseback firing arrows at you? Let me break you're done.

450
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're cooked.

451
00:31:53.519 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 5>Especially Mongolians, right, but I think you know they want

452
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 5>to kind of bastardize Cairn because there's.

453
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh there you go, hey, fire Pixie, I love you too, hey.

454
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 2>So was Prometheus being bound like a symbolic for knowledge

455
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:26.599
<v Speaker 2>being kept or for what'd you say, foresight? I don't know,

456
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>for something within the collective of on a humanity or

457
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 2>h Greeks.

458
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>When it comes to the Greeks, it's all about hubris.

459
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>If you show hubris towards the people who rule over you.

460
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 1>You're going to get smacked backed down.

461
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

462
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>So the hubris that we see with you know, flying

463
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.279
<v Speaker 1>too close to the sun.

464
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:58.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, us, And.

465
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>We see this over and over again throughout all of

466
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Greek mythologies that it's the hubris that brings down the heroes.

467
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Right Jason in the Argonauts, he's brought down by hubris,

468
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 1>basically all of them. Achilles, right, Achilles also, well he

469
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>goes into the temple of Apollo and just starts up.

470
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah whatever, And it was Apollo that killed Achilles. You know,

471
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.119
<v Speaker 1>he's the one who directed the arrow straight into his

472
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:34.559
<v Speaker 1>into his Achilles tendon. But also very you know, the

473
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>idea is you have to act as a team.

474
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 2>And we got to watch Troy, Dude, we should watch

475
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Troy one night, do a watch party and watch Troy.

476
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a good fucking movie that was like the last

477
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.519
<v Speaker 2>era of good war movies like Troy and Alexander. Well,

478
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 2>they made everyone in Alexander gay, Like as soon as

479
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:56.759
<v Speaker 2>the women like as soon a's like all the dudes

480
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>got together in the room, they'd be like tell the

481
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>women to leave. What the fuck?

482
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Man?

483
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't know if they were like were they No,

484
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they were doing that. What's what's what.

485
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.000
<v Speaker 1>If you get into the Leather Apron Club, right, have

486
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.639
<v Speaker 1>you ever heard of that? So this guy named Leather

487
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Apron Club, he's got this massive d bunk on the

488
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>gay Greeks. This all came out of the nineteen seventies

489
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>through Christianity and uh the academics, right, they both had

490
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 1>their own reasons to try and gay jacket the Greeks.

491
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 2>About the Spartans too, right now, they were switching boys

492
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:41.159
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. I don't know, man, I don't know if

493
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 2>I believe that.

494
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>With the Spartans. There's a little bit more evidence. But

495
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, again, what they were trying to do is

496
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 1>create school shooters. With the Spartans, they were all about creating. Okay,

497
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>So one of the initiatory rituals for these young boys

498
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>in Sparta was to raise a puppy, bring it to

499
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the temple, and then kill the puppy. They were trying

500
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 1>to make.

501
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>They were trying to make warriors, right, yeah, okay, well, yeah,

502
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, they to do that with

503
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 2>every I mean, dude, I don't know. To live in

504
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>the Spartans were it was kind of the norm when

505
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 2>it was happening.

506
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.239
<v Speaker 1>The Spartans were the outcasts from the rest of Greece.

507
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>The rest of Greece wanted to live a good life

508
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 1>and not just always be in war mode all the time,

509
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.360
<v Speaker 1>But the Spartans specifically wanted to be in war mode

510
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>all the time.

511
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't they just make them go find like a

512
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 2>fucking wolf and try to befriend it and make it

513
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.800
<v Speaker 2>like it's like in the movie Companion or something. Yeah,

514
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 2>did that happen in the movie. I didn't know that.

515
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't remember that. I haven't seen the movie in

516
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:54.840
<v Speaker 2>a while.

517
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what they kind of replaced it with, is this

518
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>idea that, oh, yeah, they're they're part of the wolf

519
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>tribe or whatever. But really what they were doing.

520
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe they're doing some weird shit, but yeah, I

521
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I just don't believe that they were all gay.

522
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It just we wouldn't have been here

523
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.119
<v Speaker 2>if they were all gay, you know, like they.

524
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Had they had about seventy six pieces of pottery that

525
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 1>they use to apply that all the Greeks were dead

526
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy six and.

527
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.760
<v Speaker 2>So did they have on it and stuff?

528
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, they actually didn't go for that.

529
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Because a lot of uh pieces, there was a lot

530
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.519
<v Speaker 2>of fertilities, you know, pieces of pieces.

531
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, they had a lot of fertility worship going

532
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>out all over Greek Right, so the Greek world was

533
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 1>just a washing in dick statues. Right. But this was,

534
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you know the same reason why Japan is a Washington

535
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Dick statues. Polytheistic cultures view fertility as one of the

536
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:03.800
<v Speaker 1>highest aspirations of their society. You've got to have more children,

537
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>You've got to you know, promote more children. You've got

538
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.639
<v Speaker 1>to have these dick statues marched through the streets so

539
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>that everybody gets that fertility energy. You know. That's what

540
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to do. They were trying to get

541
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>more soldiers, trying to turn people on. I think it's

542
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 1>more of the symbols or.

543
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I see, and it's like activated in their brain that

544
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 2>that that sexual uh you know thought or whatever.

545
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Well you don't think about it, but fertility really is

546
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:34.280
<v Speaker 1>a mystical.

547
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Energy, right right, right, that's what I can't activated.

548
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, So you can't really know why a woman is

549
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>fertile or why she's not fertile. You can track her

550
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>cycles and everything, and you could do everything right, but

551
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not taken. She's not getting pregnant, and you've got

552
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.119
<v Speaker 1>to wonder, like, what's wrong with this? What's wrong with

553
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 1>this image? What do I need to do differently? Well,

554
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you need to start marching those dick statues down the

555
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 1>street so that the women get the fertility energy that

556
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>comes through you know, springtime and all the rest of

557
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 1>the stuff. They have their their dick festivals in the spring.

558
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 1>And then you've got it all through the streets. You've

559
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>got your rituals and in some ways, you know, it's like, uh,

560
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it's before a baseball game. You've got to go through

561
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>the same ritual every time so that you can get

562
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>similar results. That's what they were going through with all

563
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.079
<v Speaker 1>this you know dick stuff. And also it's funny, it's

564
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>hilarious souh. They would have a good laugh at it. Right,

565
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>So you've got one of the major rural gods is

566
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 1>priapis right. It's just got a massive schlan right, and

567
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 1>he's an idiot. Right, So I think I probably got

568
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>over this. What's that just spelled? Like the pre epic?

569
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, if it lasts more than four hours, call

570
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.800
<v Speaker 1>your doctor again. That's where you get the name Priapus.

571
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Yeah, let's pull this guy up real fast. No,

572
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:07.960
<v Speaker 2>don't pull him, don't pull him up.

573
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get bad.

574
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh ship, really, they'll get banned for this. I mean

575
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 2>this is he has a huge hog.

576
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.840
<v Speaker 5>Dude, just describe it to the people.

577
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, guys. So in this one statue, his penis is

578
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.760
<v Speaker 2>holding up a fruit basket and he's headless. I guess

579
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the statue is headless. Somebody chopped off the head.

580
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

581
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 2>In this other one, he's standing over a fruit basket

582
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 2>and there.

583
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 1>He's is fruit basket is.

584
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 2>To his penis, something's tied to his penis. His penises

585
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 2>is uncircumcised. That was maybe a little gay. Sorry, uh

586
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 2>well this is a little maybe a little gay in

587
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.199
<v Speaker 2>its entirety, but uh, we're not gonna think about that.

588
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.679
<v Speaker 2>So uh there, and then there's another one. I think

589
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:10.239
<v Speaker 2>he's holding the rod of a sclepias maybe or the

590
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:23.800
<v Speaker 2>what's what's the other one? The not but the it's

591
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the other one.

592
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:31.400
<v Speaker 5>Uh yeah, yeah.

593
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 1>But what he what he's uh, what he's basically doing

594
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>is you have to measure the bounty against priapus. Since

595
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Priapus is like this fertility god, right, and so he's

596
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.639
<v Speaker 1>the god of all this fresh produce coming in and

597
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's sort of like he's the fertility one.

598
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:56.039
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't he's considered like a clown or a joker. Right,

599
00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:00.679
<v Speaker 1>he's an idiot. Why isn't it he an idiot because

600
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>he's got a big schlow.

601
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna pull this one to the side because

602
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.519
<v Speaker 2>I have to ask you about this one. This one's weird.

603
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>There's no no, no dicks on it, but it's it

604
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.679
<v Speaker 2>has something to do with Priapis. So uh yeah, for

605
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Speaker 2>anyone who just not tuning in, I was describing what

606
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Priapis looks like with his fallus and everything. Uh, let

607
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 2>me share this. So what's what what's going on here

608
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:33.760
<v Speaker 2>with with with this donkey? Dude?

609
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there could be something with the donkey because

610
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Donkey's got a big old member. I'm not sure. What

611
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 1>looks like a.

612
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Little homunculous on. Yeah, I was gonna say, dude, that's I.

613
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Mean, that's a perfect depiction of a sleep paralysis demon

614
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 1>in the.

615
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Stater almost though. Look at his legs, it looked like

616
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:02.920
<v Speaker 2>they covered in hair.

617
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he looks like a satyr. He looks like he's

618
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.679
<v Speaker 1>afflicting this woman in our sleep, and the only person

619
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>who could see it is the Donkey's kind of like

620
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:12.039
<v Speaker 1>a Balam motif.

621
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Dude, that's wild.

622
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<v Speaker 1>Bees Baalim the donkey, he could see things that the uh, well,

623
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<v Speaker 1>Balem's donkey could see things that Balem could not. And

624
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<v Speaker 1>that's a really interesting story too, because he was trying

625
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<v Speaker 1>to scam the Jews and there's something going on with

626
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the with the right. There's something going on with the

627
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<v Speaker 1>Jewish people and the donkey that it's really weird, really.

628
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<v Speaker 2>Dark, really well, I guess we'll we'll talk about that tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>won't we on Esotery book review. Guys to tune in

630
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<v Speaker 2>in the morning on Patreon. Uh hell, lest you could

631
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<v Speaker 2>probably just stream it to your to your YouTube as well.

632
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<v Speaker 2>We are reading some of the Golden Ass. Then I'm

633
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<v Speaker 2>having uh Stein from Greyhorn Pagan's on to talk about North.

634
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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Norse pantheon and the creation story and

635
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<v Speaker 2>all that. It's gonna be fun. I have a lot

636
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<v Speaker 2>of questions.

637
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<v Speaker 1>So, right, Odin is not the creation God. Now, now

638
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<v Speaker 1>Odin is one of the later generations, the creator God

639
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:28.800
<v Speaker 1>comes before him. Right, He's not that good? On a

640
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Norse mythology. But so priapis he whenever it's time to perform,

641
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work. But whenever he's not performing, he's rock hard.

642
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.599
<v Speaker 1>And so he's he's kind of this hapless character. He

643
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<v Speaker 1>can never use it how good gods have intended it

644
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 1>to be used, but it's always hard. So he's got

645
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>a problem. So they're always laughing at him. And what

646
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>you find is that in the heroes have really tiny slums, right,

647
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.039
<v Speaker 1>the hero gods the whatever, because they believe that you

648
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:17.719
<v Speaker 1>have two brains, right, got one up here and one

649
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 1>down here, and if the one down there is huge

650
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<v Speaker 1>and the one.

651
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:25.079
<v Speaker 4>Up there is tiny, yeah, I think what they would do.

652
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<v Speaker 1>What they would do is they would show you that,

653
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, in battle, you don't want

654
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:37.039
<v Speaker 1>a guy with a massive schlong in battle, right because

655
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>chances are.

656
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.880
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be flopping around and falling on the ground

657
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna be stepping on it.

658
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, right, because they're fighting naked, so there's that

659
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<v Speaker 1>as well.

660
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.320
<v Speaker 2>No, well, well, okay, that goes back to Sumerio with

661
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.039
<v Speaker 2>those like naked wrestling matches that the gods would have.

662
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Right now, weird stuff.

663
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<v Speaker 1>Big big. Well again, like the gymnasiums in Greece is

664
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of naked dudes, right, And obviously in today's uh,

665
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, academic world, they're like, oh, they're just you know,

666
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 1>having lots of sex in these gymnasiums. But that's not

667
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:22.639
<v Speaker 1>exactly the case. Homosexuality was illegal, so they weren't doing

668
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 1>each other because how easy it would it be to

669
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.440
<v Speaker 1>take out a political rival or whatever if you find

670
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>out that they're also Pedophilia was illegal. The term pederasty

671
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 1>was basically kind of a joke, right, and so they

672
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 1>would always be calling uh, young boys and stuff, uh,

673
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 1>this derogatory word for a receiving homosexual and it's it's

674
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>weird because it's just like they're they're giving ship to

675
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.079
<v Speaker 1>these kids for being kids, and they're like, ah, you're

676
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>you're the the catcher, right, But it was more of

677
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:09.239
<v Speaker 1>a slang term, not necessarily an actual physical representation of

678
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.400
<v Speaker 1>what they were doing. Education in Greece was different from

679
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:14.599
<v Speaker 1>what we think of as public school now, or at

680
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:19.519
<v Speaker 1>least even in Samaria. They had these massive schools for

681
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.840
<v Speaker 1>all the scribes, and you could see weird notes being

682
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.079
<v Speaker 1>passed from these kids in scribes school to their mothers,

683
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 1>telling them they want a new tunic, you know whatever.

684
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:35.639
<v Speaker 1>They're sending out letters made of brick to their mothers.

685
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.039
<v Speaker 1>So if we can read everything they did in Samaria,

686
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.920
<v Speaker 1>but they weren't using brick letters in Greece, so it

687
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 1>becomes a little bit harder to piece things together. But

688
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:48.360
<v Speaker 1>basically everything in Samaria was written down on bricks, so

689
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 1>we have all of it. We've got too much knowledge

690
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Speaker 1>about the Sumerians and the Acadians and all the rest

691
00:46:54.920 --> 00:47:00.039
<v Speaker 1>of them because everything is written down in stone.

692
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Shooting air form. Yeah, yeah, so it's it's really fascinating

693
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:09.519
<v Speaker 2>all the parallels.

694
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think we're ever going to get to

695
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of Samaria just because it's just too much knowledge.

696
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's a lot the basic story is, you know,

697
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty interesting, but it's a lot of just betrayal

698
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh and be honest in incest.

699
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:33.079
<v Speaker 4>You know.

700
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really what you see in the Old Testament,

701
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 2>especially with Inky though like he he is he impregnates

702
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>everybody and everything, uh, turning into animals as well, just

703
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 2>like Zeus and stuff. You know, how Zeus turns into

704
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Swan and all that. You know, it's could be symbolic,

705
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 2>but uh yeah, those those stories are fascinating to say

706
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:06.039
<v Speaker 2>the least. And then you see the similarities between the

707
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Old Testament and the Sumerian stories. Like when me and

708
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:11.719
<v Speaker 2>you were talking, we were talking about Michael and Raphael

709
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Speaker 2>destroying Sodom and Gomora or whatever, and in the Samerian stories,

710
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:22.679
<v Speaker 2>these cities are cities of Marduke and they're going to

711
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:26.119
<v Speaker 2>destroy Marduke cities because they just don't like he is

712
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:31.320
<v Speaker 2>their sitan. He is their adversary, you know, and they're

713
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>like laughing about it and seeing how many they're like

714
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>counting the numbers that they can kill and proclaiming themselves

715
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.519
<v Speaker 2>like the scorch or what does he call himself? Era

716
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the scorcher and Ninerta calls himself something. But yeah, they're

717
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.719
<v Speaker 2>like cackling, and you know, uh.

718
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 1>The Samians love to show off how many people they killed,

719
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and in their steles they put it well, I mean

720
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>this is you know, post Sumerian, more post to Kadian, right,

721
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>But they become more and more warlike and it becomes

722
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.199
<v Speaker 1>their job to go from town to town, you know,

723
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>chopping off as many heads as possible, to collect as

724
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:14.000
<v Speaker 1>much tribute as possible. But this tribute system certainly does

725
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>go back to this proto into European culture, where you

726
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:20.960
<v Speaker 1>have to pay the warlords so that they'll protect you,

727
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>but they kind of reverse the order, so you've got

728
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:27.159
<v Speaker 1>to kill as many as possible so that they come

729
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 1>back and know that you're serious and you mean business.

730
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 1>So the Neo Assyrian Empire would leave these piles of

731
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>heads outside of these cities, and if those piles of

732
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>heads were disturbed in any way, they'd go back in

733
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:48.079
<v Speaker 1>and fill them up again. But it was, you know,

734
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:52.400
<v Speaker 1>really costly to their society, and nobody was farming anymore

735
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 1>because they were just too busy killing everybody. So the

736
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>tribute became less and less valuable over time. And to

737
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>make matters worse, the tigers and the Euphrates River were

738
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 1>very salty rivers. So as they're spreading all of this,

739
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:10.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, salty water all over their fields, it will alate,

740
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 1>accumulate year by year until they've salted their own fields

741
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.599
<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing growing in them. So by the time

742
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 1>the ten thousand roll around, which is this story from

743
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Greece about these these ten thousand soldiers that are used

744
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.440
<v Speaker 1>as mercenaries over in Mesopotamia and Iran or Persia. Right,

745
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 1>they're seeing all of these zigarots that have been abandoned

746
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 1>for hundreds and hundreds of years, and they're like, what

747
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the hell is this? They don't realize that those civilizations

748
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.280
<v Speaker 1>actually gave birth to a lot of the gods over

749
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in Greece. So they're looking at their origin stories and

750
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 1>they have no idea because they've been able to keep

751
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<v Speaker 1>it pretty much preserved in this.

752
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Oral history in Indie Sumerian stories. I mean, dude, it's

753
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:07.039
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty plain that they were walking around like you know,

754
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.559
<v Speaker 2>and I I don't know, maybe they're seeing them in

755
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:16.199
<v Speaker 2>visions because I've I have uh talked with people about

756
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the whole astro theology angle on it, and it all

757
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:25.760
<v Speaker 2>makes sense, but uh, there's something I don't know, I

758
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.719
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say otherworldly, but definitely from some other realm.

759
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 2>These these entities that have inhabited these archetypes and and

760
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:37.360
<v Speaker 2>uh played the roles of these these characters and these

761
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:40.480
<v Speaker 2>mythologies and these stories. There's something to it though, like

762
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 2>they're they're connected. That's what I first started off doing.

763
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I just started off you know, in the in the

764
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Abrahamic uh more, you know the Sumerian stories, a Syria, Babylon,

765
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.440
<v Speaker 2>all all that stuff up to Egypt. I didn't really

766
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<v Speaker 2>go past that into the I didn't start talking about

767
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:02.519
<v Speaker 2>the Greek pantheon, the Roman pantheon until I started talking

768
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:06.159
<v Speaker 2>to you or even any other European pantheons, dude. To

769
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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you, I just I don't know. It's

770
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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuck in these few little but now definitely

771
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.239
<v Speaker 2>seeing different connections. Like I was telling you earlier, I

772
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.719
<v Speaker 2>have to go back and redo these charts, which is

773
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 2>going to take a couple of weeks, but it's worth it.

774
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I'll put them on Patreon.

775
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Really sick Pantheon, like like, well.

776
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I need your help with it then, and we can

777
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.079
<v Speaker 2>put it on the Occult Research Institute website and all

778
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:38.079
<v Speaker 2>all that good stuff.

779
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 1>You got to look into the etruscans. The etruscans were

780
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.599
<v Speaker 1>really weird, really weird.

781
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, we're we're going to have to make like

782
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.559
<v Speaker 2>charts and graphs because that's that's I'm I can do it, dude,

783
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 2>if if you help me. I'm I'm very good at

784
00:52:56.119 --> 00:53:01.400
<v Speaker 2>organizing things and making uh you know, I have tons

785
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:08.119
<v Speaker 2>of notebooks, full of notes and yeah, anyway.

786
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 1>But the Etruscans, the Etruscans were very very close to

787
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the Obviously the Romans took over for the Etruscans, but

788
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.119
<v Speaker 1>the Etruscan language was another language isolated, right, So the

789
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Sumerians language isolated, Truscans language isolate. There's another society over

790
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:31.239
<v Speaker 1>in one of my good friends, Korean Atlas, she comes

791
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>from a language isolate group over in Spain. Right, These

792
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 1>language isolate groups, they assume are like the very first

793
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.039
<v Speaker 1>peoples because there are no other languages that contributed to

794
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 1>their language that they could find. But the proto Indo

795
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 1>European language was like the feeder language for Greek, German, Gothic, Roman,

796
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 1>all of those other languages, they're all proto Indo European roots.

797
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Whereas language isolate groups like the Samerians, they're very special groups,

798
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>very special.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I mean that's the one group that people

800
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 2>say is you know, certain certain amount of years old.

801
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 2>But when you look at the King's List and all that,

802
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 2>it's like how old? How old was that civilization?

803
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 1>What would they actually try to say with the King's List?

804
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.360
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's really interesting too. So Akkadian, right, So

805
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the Acadians were just north of Summer. That's a proto

806
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Indo European language. Sumerian language isolated. So the Akkadians tried

807
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 1>to keep Sumerian as sort of like the religious language

808
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 1>for their people, but they couldn't keep it up. It

809
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 1>was just too weird to them.

810
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:52.599
<v Speaker 2>That's why the pantheons were so similar.

811
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Right. They wanted to keep it holy. They wanted to

812
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:58.920
<v Speaker 1>keep the cities holy, they wanted to keep the gods

813
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and goddesses holy because they really loved the Samerians, even

814
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:06.280
<v Speaker 1>after defeating them in battle. It was like this blooming

815
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:10.039
<v Speaker 1>of civilization. Sar Got of a Cat was the first

816
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 1>conqueror of the Samarans, right, And his story is really

817
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:21.280
<v Speaker 1>interesting because it mirrors almost exactly Moses's story. He was

818
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:26.199
<v Speaker 1>found in the bulrushes in a basket by a royal family,

819
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and he was taught in that royal family, and he

820
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:33.719
<v Speaker 1>then becomes the you know, law giver to the people,

821
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Sargon of a Cat. So Sargt and Moses have so

822
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.599
<v Speaker 1>much in common, it's really hard not to see that

823
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:40.119
<v Speaker 1>they kind.

824
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Of Moses was doing some shit in that desert. Dude,

825
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.400
<v Speaker 2>My wife came up to me and was like, Moses

826
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 2>was weird as fuck. I was like, yeah, dude, he

827
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.239
<v Speaker 2>was an alchemist, Like he came from the land of Kim, Like,

828
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.320
<v Speaker 2>y'all really don't think he was in that desert. He

829
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 2>was whole. He was He had the sigil of Thoth.

830
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.880
<v Speaker 2>He was doing alchemy in that tent or wherever he was,

831
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:05.960
<v Speaker 2>like making flames appear and stuff like, yeah, he was

832
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.039
<v Speaker 2>doing alchemy. He's depicted within people who was he depicted

833
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 2>with horns and those are al chemical horns. You will

834
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>see other pictures of alchemists depicted with these horns coming

835
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.239
<v Speaker 2>from there. And I don't know what the link is

836
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:21.639
<v Speaker 2>to like the metaphysical part, but it's.

837
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Kingship, okay, it's kingship. This shows a level of mastery

838
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:29.519
<v Speaker 1>over the environment, over yourself, over all these things the

839
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>horns represents. This is the ancient form of showing that

840
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.119
<v Speaker 1>you're a king is having these horns. And it's interesting

841
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:41.000
<v Speaker 1>back to the centaurs. The Cyprian centaurs had ox horns,

842
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:44.119
<v Speaker 1>which is very close to the idea of the moon. Right,

843
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>So the Cypress, the you know, the centaurs that lived

844
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 1>on Cypress had ox horns kind of interesting. Were they

845
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:59.679
<v Speaker 1>the kings of that sort of you know, centaur society?

846
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:03.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe, but we've lost a lot of

847
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>history when it comes to the centaurs and when it

848
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.239
<v Speaker 1>comes to mythology, because who needs to know about this stuff?

849
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But I think it stretches so far back in the

850
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 1>past that people don't realize how significant it is. Right

851
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>these oral histories. Plato complained about the written word. He says,

852
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.679
<v Speaker 1>we're losing our memory because everybody's writing everything down. We

853
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 1>got to get back to what we were doing before.

854
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>With the oral history is so much better than writing

855
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.440
<v Speaker 1>everything down because now everybody's forgetting everything. How much worse

856
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:36.000
<v Speaker 1>is it with this?

857
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

858
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.199
<v Speaker 1>But you know this kind of goes into what I

859
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:48.199
<v Speaker 1>want to promote. Here is what Nick was working on

860
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Right, he has a special on

861
00:57:54.679 --> 00:58:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe I'm blanket on his name with age

862
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:10.960
<v Speaker 1>alchemist who has burned at the steak hold on Giordano Bruno.

863
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 1>So listen to that, because the irony of Giordana Bruno's

864
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:25.119
<v Speaker 1>story is just too rich. Right, So, Giordano Bruno is

865
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.320
<v Speaker 1>a Jewish guy in Spain. Well, he traveled all over

866
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:32.719
<v Speaker 1>the place. He went over from France over to England

867
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and then back over to Spain where he was ultimately

868
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:40.480
<v Speaker 1>burned at the steak. But Giordano Bruno was obsessed with

869
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:44.719
<v Speaker 1>the kind of stuff we're talking about, right, Obsessed with philosophy,

870
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:48.079
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with the classical world. He had all of this

871
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:50.360
<v Speaker 1>knowledge from the classical world. And one of the things

872
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>he's best known for is the art of memory. They

873
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.639
<v Speaker 1>thought he was a witch because he had a working

874
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.159
<v Speaker 1>memory that was better than all the rest of them.

875
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.000
<v Speaker 1>He was using the techniques from Plato and all the

876
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:08.920
<v Speaker 1>rest of these polytheists in increasing and expanding his memory,

877
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 1>and he brought that back to Europe, back to Europe

878
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:16.280
<v Speaker 1>because they had lost it because of the Jewish Bible.

879
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:22.360
<v Speaker 2>And this is they lost the mysteries. Yeah, yeah, this

880
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:23.199
<v Speaker 2>is okay.

881
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.400
<v Speaker 1>So this is a Jewish man taking European culture, classical

882
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:31.480
<v Speaker 1>culture and trying to bring it back into Europe, right,

883
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:36.199
<v Speaker 1>and in so doing he pisses off the Philo Semites,

884
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.599
<v Speaker 1>the Christians who burned him at the stake for trying

885
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:41.679
<v Speaker 1>to re europeanize their culture.

886
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.280
<v Speaker 2>That's that's the only reason that they've think.

887
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 1>About that for a second. Well, they didn't like any

888
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of his any of his stuff, which he was informed

889
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:56.239
<v Speaker 1>by all of this ancient European stuff that hadn't been

890
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:57.280
<v Speaker 1>around for a long time.

891
00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.239
<v Speaker 2>So they can just tell them to leave.

892
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, they did several times. Everywhere we go they'd be like,

893
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.360
<v Speaker 1>get that European stuff out of here. We're practicing this

894
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Semitic Bible. You're a witch. Your memory works.

895
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he can float right like he can

896
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:21.400
<v Speaker 2>remember that. That is fucking crazy.

897
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:25.119
<v Speaker 1>But what's interesting too is the muses. Do you know

898
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:30.840
<v Speaker 1>who the mother of the muses are? Nomasa Memory is

899
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the mother of inspiration? Wow, memory is the mother of

900
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.519
<v Speaker 1>the nine muses. Who's in charge of the nine muses?

901
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Apollo nine plus the one is the ten. This is

902
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the Kabbala tree you're looking at, right?

903
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Is Apollo that you were talking about? The Greek or whatever.

904
01:00:56.599 --> 01:01:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Greek Kabbala is reconstructed after Christianity basically says you're not

905
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:04.920
<v Speaker 1>allowed to know any of this stuff about the ancient gods.

906
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:09.480
<v Speaker 1>But we see with the nine muses of Apollo being

907
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:13.280
<v Speaker 1>a perfect secretism with the Kabbala tree.

908
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to have you on to talk about that sometimes, dude.

909
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, So the Kabbala basically started out as Greek mythology,

910
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.599
<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of it in you know again,

911
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:28.000
<v Speaker 1>where did they get their gods from. They got it

912
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:32.639
<v Speaker 1>from the you know, the Mesopotamians right the Fertile Crescent.

913
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 1>They had their own tree. You could see that that

914
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:40.320
<v Speaker 1>bird putting the you know, pine cone up to the tree.

915
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:42.519
<v Speaker 2>At the top of the c right.

916
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:44.360
<v Speaker 1>At the top of the cepharro.

917
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Dude, it's crazy. You're saying this because my co host

918
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:52.679
<v Speaker 2>on Elohimantomology said that. He said because I was like, well,

919
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:55.000
<v Speaker 2>we know the pine cone, you know, it can be

920
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a symbol for the panel, and he was like, I

921
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 2>think it it is symbolic of you know, the sphere

922
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:07.519
<v Speaker 2>of the soul or well, I can't remember exactly how

923
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.800
<v Speaker 2>he said it coming up from malcouth then to the

924
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.559
<v Speaker 2>top of the you know, tree of life. And I

925
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:18.679
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, wow, dude, and that's that's that's crazy

926
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.800
<v Speaker 2>that he just I don't know. He was talking about

927
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that over a year ago on this other show I

928
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.719
<v Speaker 2>was doing, and I didn't understand it like I do now,

929
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:28.400
<v Speaker 2>So what were.

930
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.880
<v Speaker 1>You saying about the pine cone? Because I got something

931
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:31.360
<v Speaker 1>to show you.

932
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:39.880
<v Speaker 4>What about the panel, pine cone paneal, Yeah, all right,

933
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:40.960
<v Speaker 4>take a look at this.

934
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the hand of Sebasias. I've gone over

935
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.360
<v Speaker 1>this so many times. What's on that thumb right there?

936
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:54.679
<v Speaker 2>The pine cone?

937
01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:00.039
<v Speaker 1>There's a pine cone right there on the thumb is

938
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:06.159
<v Speaker 1>the gesture he's making. No, So you got the two

939
01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:11.519
<v Speaker 1>fingers right here, right in front of that snake that's

940
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:13.039
<v Speaker 1>wrapped around the whole thing.

941
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:15.599
<v Speaker 4>I see that right here, the thumb and.

942
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:18.320
<v Speaker 1>These two fingers are up. This is called the hand

943
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:21.119
<v Speaker 1>of benediction in Christianity. But they just took the hand

944
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:26.800
<v Speaker 1>of Sabazios and made the hand of benediction right so

945
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you could see all the symbols from all this Greek

946
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:35.719
<v Speaker 1>religion stuff all packed tightly into this one hand.

947
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.320
<v Speaker 4>Dude, it' isn't that weird?

948
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:43.679
<v Speaker 1>So let's look up the hand of benediction.

949
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, dude, even that pine cone symbol going back, like

950
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:57.199
<v Speaker 2>in Genesis thirty two, whenever Jacob wrestles with God, he

951
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:03.599
<v Speaker 2>calls the place Pinio literally just so it's literally he

952
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 2>he It's symbolic of him going into his you know,

953
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:13.480
<v Speaker 2>mind's eye and finding God right like he was just

954
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:20.599
<v Speaker 2>an initiate. Like that's that's how I see it. Absolutely.

955
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:24.320
<v Speaker 1>But we could see this hand of Benediction. It's all

956
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:28.880
<v Speaker 1>over Catholicism, and they've got this massive pine cone out

957
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:33.000
<v Speaker 1>in front of the you know, the Vatican.

958
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, dude, you see pine cones we went when

959
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:41.320
<v Speaker 2>we went to Lexington to see my sister in law,

960
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.639
<v Speaker 2>uh there was We we went to I think the

961
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Robert E. Lee Church and uh d there were pine

962
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:53.159
<v Speaker 2>cones everywhere there was. I actually posted some pictures on Instagram.

963
01:04:53.199 --> 01:05:00.079
<v Speaker 2>There was a podium with a dove ascending and a

964
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:02.840
<v Speaker 2>triangle with an eye inside of it.

965
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:04.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

966
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:08.159
<v Speaker 2>I was like, wow, this is oh my god, this

967
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:11.559
<v Speaker 2>is cool. Man. And then it had dude, it was

968
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.880
<v Speaker 2>had pine cones everywhere. It was awesome. And then we

969
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:20.039
<v Speaker 2>went inside the school, the military school in uh where

970
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:23.519
<v Speaker 2>they have like a bunch of artwork and stuff, and

971
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:30.920
<v Speaker 2>they had the Cupid and Psyche thing and in there

972
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.800
<v Speaker 2>they had they had statues outside of Athena because it

973
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it was the military school that we went to,

974
01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:41.159
<v Speaker 2>so they had statue of Athena outside. Dude, they had that.

975
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:43.559
<v Speaker 2>They had a few of them, I'm pretty sure a

976
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 2>few different goddesses they had. I think they had a Minerva.

977
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well is the Roman Athena.

978
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so so they they had they they they had

979
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:56.840
<v Speaker 2>a few statues. It was awesome going there. I was like,

980
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's an old school v M I whatever.

981
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:03.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah dude.

982
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:07.960
<v Speaker 2>It was cool though, oldest lodge ever too, right there

983
01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:12.719
<v Speaker 2>in Glasgow. Uh at my brother in law exactly anyway,

984
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:20.440
<v Speaker 2>not Illuminati confirmed, guys. He's not my brother in law yet,

985
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:23.320
<v Speaker 2>but uh, he's a good guy. He's a good guy.

986
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:27.400
<v Speaker 2>He's he's he's uh, I want to say too much,

987
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:30.400
<v Speaker 2>but uh, he's in the Blue Lodge. So it's just

988
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:32.320
<v Speaker 2>like a social thing. I'm pretty sure.

989
01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:35.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, they need to learn about these symbols because we're

990
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:36.360
<v Speaker 1>losing them fast.

991
01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:40.320
<v Speaker 2>He likes to hear me talk about stuff, dude, Yeah,

992
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.800
<v Speaker 2>he he he loves to hear hear my takes on

993
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:51.960
<v Speaker 2>on things. So but anyway, but you'll be joining us

994
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:56.800
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow morning for Esotery book review. Yeah, well, if you

995
01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:58.719
<v Speaker 2>like it, dude, you're you're more than welcome to join

996
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:00.960
<v Speaker 2>us again. Nick is usually with us. I don't think

997
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:02.440
<v Speaker 2>he'll be able to join us tomorrow.

998
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.079
<v Speaker 1>If you want to know about Cupid and Psyche, that's

999
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:08.559
<v Speaker 1>what this book has. It's got a massive section with

1000
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the myth of Cupid and Psyche in it, in the

1001
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.599
<v Speaker 1>same cave where this guy is trying to get these

1002
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:18.639
<v Speaker 1>bandits drunk so that he can knock them out and

1003
01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:22.599
<v Speaker 1>then save his girl. It's a great book. I don't

1004
01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:24.880
<v Speaker 1>know why more people don't read it.

1005
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Get the Golden Ass, people the Golden Assabody Headless gets

1006
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:34.199
<v Speaker 2>paid every time he names the book. Hey, so give

1007
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:39.320
<v Speaker 2>a conclusion. So what does Karen? What does he represent?

1008
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Well? To me? Chiron represents the idea of teaching and mastering, right,

1009
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:51.400
<v Speaker 1>And so Kyiron is always sort of like the symbol

1010
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:55.159
<v Speaker 1>of bringing up a new generation of heroes. Right. There's

1011
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a huge list of heroes that he trained in his cave. Again,

1012
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:02.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of like the movie in Hercules. It's like all

1013
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:05.519
<v Speaker 1>these other guys were chumps, but you're the champ. Right.

1014
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:09.400
<v Speaker 1>He's constantly trying to train these guys in the most

1015
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:13.440
<v Speaker 1>humane and best way that he can. And so this

1016
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:16.279
<v Speaker 1>is the symbol of Chiron is sort of like this

1017
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:21.399
<v Speaker 1>elevated beast. Right, he becomes more than a man, he

1018
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:25.680
<v Speaker 1>becomes a god. He becomes this thing through his service

1019
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:30.159
<v Speaker 1>to these kids who grow up to do these awesome things.

1020
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.399
<v Speaker 1>So Chiron becomes sort of like the symbol for pedagogy

1021
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.560
<v Speaker 1>in ancient Greece. He is, that's how you're supposed to

1022
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:39.039
<v Speaker 1>bring up young men, is the way that Chiron would

1023
01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:41.960
<v Speaker 1>teach them.

1024
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

1025
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Very important symbol. I think not a lot of people

1026
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:51.840
<v Speaker 1>really make that association. But all the rest of the centaurs,

1027
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:56.920
<v Speaker 1>they were complete beasts, right. This goes back to the

1028
01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:00.479
<v Speaker 1>bumbling nature of Heracles. Is like, he has to kill

1029
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:04.000
<v Speaker 1>all these centaurs because they're completely out of control, and

1030
01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 1>he ends up killing his his teacher in the process,

1031
01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and even in his death he commits an act of

1032
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:21.800
<v Speaker 1>selfless service by giving Prometheus immortality. But Chyron was like,

1033
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:24.159
<v Speaker 1>if you're talking about the Cave of mysteries as well

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01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:28.199
<v Speaker 1>the Yellowcdian mystery schools, you have to go into the

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01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Cave of Chiron to learn the mysteries. So there is

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<v Speaker 1>an underworld element to this as well. And if I

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<v Speaker 1>if I can go back to that hand of Sebasios,

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01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:48.760
<v Speaker 1>we see that Zeus was also a let me see

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01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:56.520
<v Speaker 1>here there we go. Okay, So yeah, if you pull

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01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:58.279
<v Speaker 1>that up, you can see right there in the cave

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01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.039
<v Speaker 1>in the wrist right. You see the cave in the wrist,

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01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that Zeus being suckled inside of the cave. Right, this

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01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:10.439
<v Speaker 1>would be Chiron's cave. This would be the learning cave.

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01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:13.000
<v Speaker 1>This would be the womb of the Earth. Right. He's

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01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:18.680
<v Speaker 1>suckling on the she goat, right, and the she goat

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01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:24.720
<v Speaker 1>has this other beast that would be aw what are

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01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.760
<v Speaker 1>they call what the eyes on their tail? Right. So

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01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:32.359
<v Speaker 1>you've also got Hara. That's her symbol. It's the peacock, right,

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01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:37.000
<v Speaker 1>So the peacock and Harah and then baby Zeus and

1050
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:40.279
<v Speaker 1>it sort of grows up into all this other stuff. Now,

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01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:45.479
<v Speaker 1>this is the python that was slayed by Apollo. Right,

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01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:49.960
<v Speaker 1>And we've also got the scales of themis or Dkay right,

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01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:53.800
<v Speaker 1>So all of the gods symbols are sort of encapsulated

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01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:58.760
<v Speaker 1>into this one symbol, the hand of Sebasio's and so

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01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:04.880
<v Speaker 1>this was the hand of the mysteries the Roman period,

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01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.920
<v Speaker 1>So this was kind of like a revitalization of the

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01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:14.159
<v Speaker 1>ancient ways. And they would have all sorts of weird

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01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:19.479
<v Speaker 1>stuff too, like this guy over here, Dude, I want

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01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.600
<v Speaker 1>to make one. I want to cast one of these things.

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01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:26.479
<v Speaker 1>They haven't made in two thousand years. I think so

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01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:29.560
<v Speaker 1>all of the hand of Sabaziosis would go on the

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01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.000
<v Speaker 1>top of a pole, so they would have an empty

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01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:34.479
<v Speaker 1>space inside the wrist, and you would lift this up

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01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:36.319
<v Speaker 1>so that everybody could follow you.

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01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:43.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so fucking cool, dude, that's so cool. Man.

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01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh that sounds fun.

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01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. Oh guys, So this Sabazios right here.

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01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:58.680
<v Speaker 1>The Sabazios character was very closely associated with Dionysus, the

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01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:04.800
<v Speaker 1>dying and rising god. Okay, right, and sob again. Right here,

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01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:07.079
<v Speaker 1>it's the womb of the earth inside of the palm

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01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:11.319
<v Speaker 1>of the hand. You've got the eagle flying down. That's

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01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Zeus's eagle, Zeus's birth and Zeus's eagle all the same thing.

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01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Here's another weird one. Look at that the huge pine

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01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:22.840
<v Speaker 1>cone right there. Right, you got the lizard that would

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01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.720
<v Speaker 1>be kind of this, uh, you know, the fiery lizard.

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01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.880
<v Speaker 1>This is another instance of Sabazios again, like the hand

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01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:34.079
<v Speaker 1>of the Mysteries was supposed to encompass all of the mysteries.

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01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:40.359
<v Speaker 1>And what do we see at the top right, We've

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01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:46.720
<v Speaker 1>got moon and the sun. Yeah, you've got Hermes down here.

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01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.279
<v Speaker 1>But the hand of Sabazios, it's all of the things

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01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:58.439
<v Speaker 1>all combined into one. It was like Catholicism, universalism.

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01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Fascinating. I love it, dude.

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01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, So if you guys want to help me

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01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:06.520
<v Speaker 1>cast a hand of Sabazios, let me know, because I

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01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:13.479
<v Speaker 1>definitely want. Ah. Here's another good one, So that's cool.

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01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:16.239
<v Speaker 1>What is the dark star on the on the thumb,

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01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the snaky eye in the in the belly.

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01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:23.960
<v Speaker 2>That's very reminiscent of my own. It kind of reminds

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01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:24.920
<v Speaker 2>me of an eye of Horace.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sabazios character is the link between east and west, right,

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01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:37.039
<v Speaker 1>because oftentimes he's pictured with this moon, and the moon

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01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:40.880
<v Speaker 1>is the Shiva thing, right, So Shiva has the moon

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01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:44.239
<v Speaker 1>on his head, and Sabazios has the moon on his head.

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01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:47.239
<v Speaker 1>The dying and rising god. Shiva is supposed to sleep

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01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.079
<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years and then rise from the dead,

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01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and then all of this other stuff and it all

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01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:59.720
<v Speaker 1>links back together through I think the most important. Here

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01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:04.640
<v Speaker 1>we go, that's another goe. You could see the the

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01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:08.560
<v Speaker 1>moon right on top of his head, right, just like Shiva.

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01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:10.640
<v Speaker 1>And he's also wearing the Phrygian cap.

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01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, that's just like I was gonna say, that's

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01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:19.199
<v Speaker 2>just like a fucking both. I think he has the

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01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:20.479
<v Speaker 2>moon on his head as well.

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01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Right, and so it's all coming through the spot in Turkey.

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01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:29.399
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it's any coincidence that this is

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01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:35.239
<v Speaker 1>where gobecy Teppy is right, This is the place where

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01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:39.399
<v Speaker 1>east meets west. This is all of it. So from

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01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:42.720
<v Speaker 1>here it goes down into uh, you know Mesopotamia and

1109
01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:46.479
<v Speaker 1>the Scythians actually occupied the Mesopotamian region for a long time,

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01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you know. So Thrace, where all of this Dying and

1111
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Rising God motif starts, is where Paul is sending his

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01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:02.319
<v Speaker 1>letters about Jesus, I know, dying and got Rising God.

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01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:06.600
<v Speaker 2>So is he hearing all all these stories in in

1114
01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Thrace and basing his letters off of uh.

1115
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Paul where Tarsus is also an Anatolia. So there's a

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01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:24.119
<v Speaker 1>very ancient cult going on in Anatolia. This is where

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01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Handa Sabazios is coming on.

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01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I need to do a deep dive on the

1119
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Anatolian gods. Very interesting pantheon.

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01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, it gets so deep. And watch Robbie Marx.

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01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Robbie Mall.

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01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Let's get Robbie on for one of these I don't know,

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01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 2>let's uh, let's reach out. Yeah, definitely, dude.

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01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we could definitely do that because there is a

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01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:54.159
<v Speaker 1>rustic motif to a lot of this stuff as well. Again,

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01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:58.319
<v Speaker 1>it's frontierism, right, They're showing you the frontier, the frontier

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01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:01.239
<v Speaker 1>of knowledge, the frontier with all the rest of these

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01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.039
<v Speaker 1>things is encompassed in their symbols that they're trying to

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01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:08.920
<v Speaker 1>give to you and expanding your brain. Right here are

1130
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the symbols. Make it work inside your head. And once

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01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:13.479
<v Speaker 1>you do, that's like an initiation.

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01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:23.079
<v Speaker 1>So it seems really chaotic and completely nonsensical, crazy from

1134
01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:25.159
<v Speaker 1>the outside, but once you can start to put these

1135
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:27.800
<v Speaker 1>pieces together, you could take it all the way back

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01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:30.720
<v Speaker 1>to the origin of the mag kid. Really, I mean

1137
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:36.000
<v Speaker 1>go back you Teppy. And you know in Go Becky Teppy,

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01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:38.720
<v Speaker 1>they have what they call the mast well, no that's

1139
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:40.920
<v Speaker 1>they don't call it that there, But there's this motif

1140
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.239
<v Speaker 1>called the Master of Beasts. Right. You see this a

1141
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:48.159
<v Speaker 1>lot in Samaria as well. The Master of Beast motif

1142
01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:51.319
<v Speaker 1>is this guy with his hand on his jump a

1143
01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:53.399
<v Speaker 1>lot like Priapis.

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01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Priapis is he a rusted god?

1145
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Very much?

1146
01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Though? Oh I can't wait for that episode, dude.

1147
01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:08.199
<v Speaker 1>We can go from Priapus to his Roman counterpart with it,

1148
01:17:08.239 --> 01:17:09.920
<v Speaker 1>which is fashion Noos.

1149
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:18.399
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about Fashion Noos before. He's even better, you know,

1150
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:25.039
<v Speaker 2>his is even bigger. I think if if, if, I'm

1151
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:31.079
<v Speaker 2>going to be honest, but uh yeah up there, Yeah,

1152
01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, I have to make that stream,

1153
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:37.560
<v Speaker 2>uh for the morning. So if you want to put

1154
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:39.000
<v Speaker 2>your plugs in, dude.

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01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:41.880
<v Speaker 1>All right. So if we were talking about Alchemy, I've

1156
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:45.840
<v Speaker 1>got an Alchemy show on Monday, Alchemy Monday, so definitely

1157
01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:48.800
<v Speaker 1>check that out. And I've got the trialogue with Ethan

1158
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Indigo and uh Ricardo, so check that out on Sunday

1159
01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:56.680
<v Speaker 1>as well. And I've got a bunch of podcasts that

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01:17:56.720 --> 01:18:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing tomorrow as well, so check all of those

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01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:04.680
<v Speaker 1>out and it'll be a good time. Definitely look up

1162
01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:09.159
<v Speaker 1>the Rustic Gods on Theoi. THEOI is a great resource

1163
01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:12.399
<v Speaker 1>for all of this stuff. They try to get the

1164
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.199
<v Speaker 1>parentage right, they try to tell you the variations on it,

1165
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and they also have all of the the orphic hymns.

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01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's an orphic hymn to chirn, but

1167
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:27.359
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of orphic hymns. They have a lot

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01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:30.600
<v Speaker 1>of repeating orphic hymns too. Everybody had their own variations

1169
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.600
<v Speaker 1>on this stuff. Land is how they saw the gods, right,

1170
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:37.800
<v Speaker 1>So Land was the lens, and from that lens you

1171
01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:40.920
<v Speaker 1>get a lot of variations from place to place, but

1172
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:43.600
<v Speaker 1>essentially it's all coming through the same source.

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01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, dude. I uh, Like I said, I've learned

1174
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot from these episodes doing these with you.

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01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:58.319
<v Speaker 1>So absolutely, well, it's been fun.

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01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:02.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have to raid somebody now because I'll

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01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:03.359
<v Speaker 2>get bitched at by.

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01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:08.039
<v Speaker 4>Him if I don't Rusting John Bone Jules didn't even.

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01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.399
<v Speaker 1>We're kind of at the frontier place too, because rust

1180
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the gods are frontier gods, right, So outside of the cities,

1181
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:23.039
<v Speaker 1>outside of all this stuff, it was unconquered territory. You know,

1182
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:26.439
<v Speaker 1>this is where the bravest people. And we're at a

1183
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:29.079
<v Speaker 1>frontier point ourselves, like we don't know which way we're

1184
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:30.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be going as a society. So I think

1185
01:19:31.239 --> 01:19:35.199
<v Speaker 1>having the knowledge of all of this frontier ism will

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01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:39.520
<v Speaker 1>give us better examples of how to form stuff that works.

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01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:40.239
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:45.479
<v Speaker 2>Definitely. Again, I'm learning a lot every episode, dude, So

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01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad we decided to do this together. Guys, be

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01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:54.319
<v Speaker 2>sure to light the stream share it. Tune in next

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01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:59.800
<v Speaker 2>week and you can catch us tomorrow morning. It will

1192
01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:03.159
<v Speaker 2>be on the Gray Pill Patreon, Patreon, dot com, Sash

1193
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Great Pill Podcast. You can go over there do the

1194
01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Esterotary book reviews. Every Saturday we do watch parties on there.

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01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:12.880
<v Speaker 2>You get links to all the group chats and the

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01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:18.840
<v Speaker 2>discord and you get sticker packs and then early release

1197
01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:22.000
<v Speaker 2>of the Eloheuman etymologies when those start dropping again. But

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01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:26.640
<v Speaker 2>h yeah, this will be tomorrow morning. We're doing the

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01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Golden Ass with Headless. Then after that I'm having steined

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01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:32.880
<v Speaker 2>from the grey Horned Pagans on to talk about the

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01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Norse gods and all that, uh, the the ice Eer

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01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:41.560
<v Speaker 2>and the van Ear. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Like

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01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I said, I've been wanting to do it since I

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01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:47.199
<v Speaker 2>started Great Pilled, So finally and then oh yeah, Sunday

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01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm going on Inquiries of Reality with Shane. That's gonna

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01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:54.600
<v Speaker 2>be a banger. I'll be streaming that to one to

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01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:55.920
<v Speaker 2>my channels probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys. Follow me on Twitter at gray pul Pod, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Cash app Jules Preston or you know you

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01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:22.000
<v Speaker 2>can go to buy me a coffee slash gray pilled

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<v Speaker 2>co five slash grape pild. Haven't I even have a

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01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:27.439
<v Speaker 2>power chat dot live slash grape pill which I have

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01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:31.279
<v Speaker 2>to start doing. I'm gonna start using obs maybe here soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Was on with Connie last night behind the scenes talking

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01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:40.800
<v Speaker 2>about some stuff. Oh yeah, uh we we have a

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01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.760
<v Speaker 2>show we're doing tomorrow later in the day that will

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01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:46.560
<v Speaker 2>be dropping. It's not live, but it's a new show

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01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that we started doing. I think Dick for Murdered the

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01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Media assbut and Connie, which they had Adam Green on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, guys, so go check out Horseshoes hand Grenades.

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01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:02.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a very interesting conversation they had. But they did

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01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:07.439
<v Speaker 2>a segment last week where it's like making fun of debates.

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01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I guess, and I'm the moderator for the one tomorrow,

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01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:12.399
<v Speaker 2>so it's gonna be fun. We're gonna have a good

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01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:14.920
<v Speaker 2>time with it and maybe I could post it to

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01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:19.800
<v Speaker 2>my channel after we're done. So uh yeah, yeah, thank

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01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:23.359
<v Speaker 2>y'all for coming and hanging out with us. Tonight and

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01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:26.640
<v Speaker 2>we will see y'all later. And oh yeah, you guys,

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01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:32.319
<v Speaker 2>y'all follow the Occult Rejects Channel a Cult Research Institute

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<v Speaker 2>dot org. You can find everybody over there there and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what they do. Maybe I can contribute some eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll be of some use. We'll see, who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, until next time, guys, stay great. Pilled later
