Speaker 1: All right, if you want to catch a hundred plus
Speaker 1: coyotes in a year trapping, this is your episode. Colt
Speaker 1: with Coyote Academy is on right now. Hey, I'm kJ,
Speaker 1: dedicated lifelong hunter.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: If you've got an interest in all things hunting, you're
Speaker 1: in the right spot. Whether chasing quail across the plains
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma or in pursuit of belk in the back
Speaker 1: country of British Columbia, you'll always find me on the hunt.
Speaker 1: Welcome in all you gun talk hunters. I'm your host, kJ,
Speaker 1: and you know what we're We're going to close out
Speaker 1: this year in style, you know. So I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: and I'm cruising the interwebs like you do on the socials,
Speaker 1: and I guess the powers that be really came through
Speaker 1: and I guess I had said coyote hunting or I'm
Speaker 1: sick of coyotes, something to that nature, because a channel
Speaker 1: popped up on my Facebook feed. Never seen this guy before,
Speaker 1: never have talked to him, but the videos he's putting
Speaker 1: out got me intrigued. I mean it was like hook
Speaker 1: line and Sinker. So hang on to your hats because
Speaker 1: this one's gonna be a fun one. This one is
Speaker 1: brought to you by Ruger range Ready Studios, Silencer Central,
Speaker 1: Savage RCBS, and Hodgeden Powders. With me today is Colt.
Speaker 1: Colt owns Coyote Academy, and I'm gonna let him tell
Speaker 1: you about it. But this is the channel that popped
Speaker 1: up in my feed and I had to get a
Speaker 1: hold of him because one, his videos are ridiculous. How
Speaker 1: many coyotes he is able to trap and maintain like
Speaker 1: that pace is unbelievable. Cult. Welcome on, Hey, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me kJ.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man. I okay, let's get a little bit of your
Speaker 1: background and then let's dive into Coyote Academy and how
Speaker 1: this Coyote Academy came to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. Growing up, I grew up in
Speaker 2: a kind of a rural setting, you know, middle class,
Speaker 2: lower middle class, and if you lived where I lived,
Speaker 2: you worked at a sawmill or you're a farmer and
Speaker 2: not a big farmer, but you know, just made ends meet.
Speaker 2: So I went through high school and wanted I said,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be stuck here in the you know,
Speaker 2: the same whirlpool, and went and got a college degree
Speaker 2: and then went I did seven years and became a
Speaker 2: physician assistant and I do orthopedics now, and so I
Speaker 2: also run an urgent care part time, so I have
Speaker 2: a full time man a part time job, and then
Speaker 2: I run Coyote Academy. I was in, you know, the
Speaker 2: end to the end of my schooling and I had
Speaker 2: always trapped growing up. I actually had a really good
Speaker 2: mentor that lived probably in my and a half of
Speaker 2: my house, and he came up and you know, asked
Speaker 2: me if I wanted to go trapping, and then I
Speaker 2: was hooked, you know. So it's like you guys getting
Speaker 2: buck fever or something. I just you know, seeing that
Speaker 2: and knowing you did it and you got that animal
Speaker 2: to get so close, and it's just like, you know,
Speaker 2: that was That's my adrenaline, that's my drug, I guess,
Speaker 2: and not saying I have to go out and you
Speaker 2: know kill or dispatch hundreds and hundreds of animals. But
Speaker 2: if there's a need for that, then by all means,
Speaker 2: use use the tool that you have. So I finished
Speaker 2: up my schooling and was able to make a good
Speaker 2: living wage, so I was able to buy an arsenal
Speaker 2: of traps. I bought, you know everything. I bought the
Speaker 2: best equipment because I couldn't when I was younger, I
Speaker 2: didn't just didn't have I didn't have the means. And
Speaker 2: so you know, everyone says, you know, what's the best
Speaker 2: tip that you can give a new an upcoming trapper,
Speaker 2: new upcoming outdoors, and I say, you know, try to
Speaker 2: become financially stable in whatever you're doing, because you know,
Speaker 2: trapping is not cheap. It's not cheap. A dozen traps
Speaker 2: doesn't get you far. And you know those around three
Speaker 2: hundred bucks. Well, I have twenty dozen traps, you know,
Speaker 2: just of one brand. I have other brands with multiple
Speaker 2: so you get thousands of dollars. And then I build
Speaker 2: my own building in twenty four by twenty four building
Speaker 2: to do all of my processing, bait making, lure making,
Speaker 2: collect getting urine and getting it you know, bottled up
Speaker 2: so that it's perfect. I've actually even been working on
Speaker 2: a deer scent, so I'm going to try and come up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you can find all that on my website,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned. And the coyote bug really came in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, and that's when I started seeing all these
Speaker 2: guys bought videos didn't have I don't. I have a
Speaker 2: good professional education, but no formal trapping education. Didn't go
Speaker 2: to any There's a lot of trapping schools out there.
Speaker 2: The ft A has the Trappers College that's accredited by Purdue,
Speaker 2: I believe. And so I didn't have any formal education.
Speaker 2: So I was more boots on the ground, reading books,
Speaker 2: watching videos VHS's even because they were so old. I
Speaker 2: don't even know if people remember VHS's now.
Speaker 1: It's the thing that has this like tape thing that
Speaker 1: and it goes in and then every once in a
Speaker 1: while you'll jama like peanut butter sandwich in there. Yeah
Speaker 1: one of those, yeah, or you.
Speaker 2: Get us unspoiled. So I saw these guys catching big
Speaker 2: numbers of coyotes and and really doing it, and guys
Speaker 2: like up in New York doing it, Guys in Pennsylvania, Maryland,
Speaker 2: down in North Carolina. There's guys that catch a lot
Speaker 2: of predators, and I wanted to be like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I wanted to do that. I was emulating those guys.
Speaker 2: I looked up to a lot of those guys and
Speaker 2: still do. But I never really heard of anyone catching
Speaker 2: over one hundred coyotes in Ohio, and so I wanted
Speaker 2: to do that, and I wanted to do that on
Speaker 2: a consistent measure over a three four year span. So
Speaker 2: over four years, I caught one hundred coyotes in Ohio
Speaker 2: pretty much trapping the same areas, building and building on
Speaker 2: to properties and then cutting away from properties. But I
Speaker 2: tried to be really really efficient, got on a bunch
Speaker 2: of deer leases, and that you know, just it was
Speaker 2: a win win for everybody. And so I did that
Speaker 2: for four years, and I said, well, man, I'd like
Speaker 2: to go out of state. I mean, I see all
Speaker 2: these guys being able to do it, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's just another challenge and very very goal oriented, probably
Speaker 2: like many of your listeners or you know, even you
Speaker 2: and I just one day put the the the pencil
Speaker 2: to the paper and started getting everything figured out how
Speaker 2: much it was going to cost me, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Right, So is I guess I guess in this development,
Speaker 1: is there is there one thing about coyotes other than
Speaker 1: like that differ from you know, your bobcats or your foxes,
Speaker 1: even wolves. Like that drew you to like kind of
Speaker 1: really kind of start to focus in on coyotes so.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of a lot of the little
Speaker 2: small farms. Like I said, I worked. I worked on
Speaker 2: a couple of them as a farm hand growing up Okay,
Speaker 2: and they would always have coyotes getting into you know,
Speaker 2: their their when they're caving, or even the after birth
Speaker 2: or just trying to come up and be an opportunistic animal.
Speaker 2: And it was the biggest predator that we also had
Speaker 2: in Ohio that I could legally trap. We cannot legally
Speaker 2: trap bobcats in Ohio, Okay. So far we're the only
Speaker 2: Midwestern state that doesn't allow bobcat trapping. Although yeah, although
Speaker 2: I you know, I took out fourteen bobcats in a
Speaker 2: month in one county of Ohio, so you know I
Speaker 2: didn't I caught them and released them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. When I said, oh, I bet that's a
Speaker 1: dangerous situation. It has so pretty much as a giant
Speaker 1: board and you walk in on them.
Speaker 2: No, No, I use a like a dog warden pole.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yep, loop it around.
Speaker 2: There kind of like a kind of like you're doing
Speaker 2: like a real naked choke to them. You get under
Speaker 2: their arm pit and around their neck and then just
Speaker 2: put like kind of tightly you don't send it down completely,
Speaker 2: but you you snug it up right, can them push
Speaker 2: them down to the ground, take the trap off, move
Speaker 2: them away. You want to make sure that if you
Speaker 2: ever do release a bobcat or even even like a
Speaker 2: bigger lion, don't have any like don't have your truck
Speaker 2: park there, don't have your cyber side because they will
Speaker 2: run underneath of it and.
Speaker 1: Just sit there.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sticky situation.
Speaker 2: Learned to learn that lesson the hard way, man.
Speaker 1: So what I mean, so, let's let's dive into a
Speaker 1: little bit of Coyote Academy and then I've and then
Speaker 1: once we hit our break, I've got a kind of
Speaker 1: an off the wall question about scent lures and stuff
Speaker 1: like that and how you come up with those. But
Speaker 1: let's let's tell the viewers. I mean, we're talking to
Speaker 1: Cole from Coyote Academy and he came up with this
Speaker 1: on his own, and and it really is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very affordable to learn how to trap. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's going to take a lot of time, and I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that you stress is it's
Speaker 1: going to take your Your success is determined by your
Speaker 1: work ethic. Yeah, and I saw that quite a bit
Speaker 1: through your your website, and I really appreciated that because
Speaker 1: this isn't a you know, I'll try this on a
Speaker 1: weekend or something like this. This is something that you're
Speaker 1: helping farmers, you're helping ranchers, You're helping these guys, and
Speaker 1: it takes your whole heart and dedication because they're doing
Speaker 1: the same for you. Right, So talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the academy.
Speaker 2: So, Kirot Academy is essentially something I had thought about
Speaker 2: throughout the years, and since I didn't have any formal education,
Speaker 2: I learned everything by book by video. So I thought, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I did all that over these you know, say,
Speaker 2: ten fifteen years, why can't I just kind of get
Speaker 2: that segmented up into a course online. It's ten ninety nine.
Speaker 1: A month, I mean, right, That's why I'm saying that
Speaker 1: this is a phenomenal deal here.
Speaker 2: And there's and the thing is is there's always new
Speaker 2: videos being so every time I learned something or if
Speaker 2: I have a success or failure, yeah I will post that.
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to show my failures because you know,
Speaker 2: you never you don't really fail unless you quit. So
Speaker 2: I'm not going to quit trying to be successful at
Speaker 2: trapping or efficient or or even proficient. So you know,
Speaker 2: with that being said, you get to see all that
Speaker 2: online and that's pretty much almost real time. Once I
Speaker 2: get the video done, Like once I get it all taken,
Speaker 2: I edit it usually in one one to two nights
Speaker 2: and then try and get it uploaded. So I put
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff on YouTube, but then I cut
Speaker 2: out all the informational some of the the big informational
Speaker 2: pieces and put those on the masterclass side. So with that, though,
Speaker 2: you also get to go to a private forum. You're
Speaker 2: not going to get on that form and you're not
Speaker 2: going to see you know, did Lebron James win the
Speaker 2: scoring record? You're going to get one. You're going to
Speaker 2: see outdoorsman stuff, you know, topics or even nuisance trapping
Speaker 2: or even guys getting on there be like, hey, I
Speaker 2: have a like I had a fellow reach out to
Speaker 2: me in Indiana wanted to pay me, you know, good
Speaker 2: money to come out there and trap, you know, And
Speaker 2: well I could punk that to someone if I knew
Speaker 2: other individuals in Indiana. I do, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if you're in that area, and you know, I would
Speaker 2: much rather that offer that to someone on the class
Speaker 2: than just a freebie to someone else. Yeah, well, it's
Speaker 2: just that you get to I'm sorry, I didn't mean
Speaker 2: to interrupt.
Speaker 1: Oh you're good, you're good, go for it.
Speaker 2: But with the with the master Class, you you get
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Speaker 2: you get a twenty five percent discount on all products.
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Speaker 1: So man, you're talking good gosh, you're talking like catch poles.
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about a lot of stuff first aid,
Speaker 1: kid action cameras, drones like stuff that you're you're selling,
Speaker 1: and your lures and all all the stuff like that. Man,
Speaker 1: I just sit here and I think about my area
Speaker 1: that I hunt in Oklahoma, and how beneficial Because what please,
Speaker 1: if you if you're watching this, if you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: go check out Coyote Academy because I found him through Facebook.
Speaker 1: That's where I found him through. And it is like
Speaker 1: he has some shorts of reels whatever your Facebook calls him.
Speaker 1: But like you hit like like there'd be a shot
Speaker 1: of you walking up to you know, your traps, and
Speaker 1: you've got like six or seven coyotes all at once. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like how did like how is that possible?
Speaker 2: You got to find the grocery store man?
Speaker 1: Apparently you're you're very good at finding grocery stores.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not those little small dollar generals. You got to
Speaker 2: find the big the big markets.
Speaker 1: Hey, you're you're finding the super centers. I mean, it
Speaker 1: really is impressive. And how how often does that happen
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 2: Uh? So, Like I went out and I trap Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: And when I go out of state, that's where I trap.
Speaker 2: Everyone always goes to Kansas and they go to like
Speaker 2: the Dodge City and Garden City. But I didn't want to.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be like a tag along and
Speaker 2: go out, so I did. All the laws changed really
Speaker 2: for Oklahoma when it comes to trapping. You used to
Speaker 2: have to put signs out in the yard as a
Speaker 2: non resident saying I got traps here. You don't have
Speaker 2: to do that anymore unless the landowner requests it. So
Speaker 2: if you're on private if you're on private ground, trapping
Speaker 2: you don't have to put those signs out anymore, and
Speaker 2: you used to only be able to bring like fifty
Speaker 2: traps to so But anyways, the segue back to what
Speaker 2: you're saying. I went out I got to Oklahoma, and
Speaker 2: when I go out there, i'm I'm usually there for
Speaker 2: anywhere from a week to ten days, and I usually
Speaker 2: average around twenty Last year I average we averaged twenty kyots.
Speaker 2: And then this year I went solo and did twenty
Speaker 2: one coyotes a day. So twenty one coyotes a day, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did. I did one hundred and four coyotes in
Speaker 2: five days.
Speaker 1: The landowners up there have to love you.
Speaker 2: Oh they I'll tell you what you know. That's they say.
Speaker 2: It's like the Bible belt. Is it correct? Is that?
Speaker 1: Yep? Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Those those folks out there are so generous and nice
Speaker 2: and good people. Yeah, I mean, it's it's unreal.
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Speaker 1: trapper man this I'm telling you, Colt's got it going on.
Speaker 1: Just check his stuff out. I'm enamored here because I
Speaker 1: hate coyotes.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: They decimate our fond populations. They're hell on you know,
Speaker 1: ranchers and stuff like that. So they've got to be controlled.
Speaker 1: And Colt's definitely the guy pushing the pushing the envelope
Speaker 1: out there. Okay, Colt, I'm gonna give you a hard
Speaker 1: one here, and now you be honest if you've ever
Speaker 1: heard this, because or call me out. But if you
Speaker 1: haven't tried it, I want you try it and then
Speaker 1: get back with me and tell me if it works.
Speaker 1: So I was talking to a trapper out in No,
Speaker 1: it was a guide. He wasn't the trapper. So the
Speaker 1: guide tells him maybe he's full of full of crap.
Speaker 1: But he sits there and he says, Okay, here's how
Speaker 1: I catch coyotes. He goes, this is the best lure
Speaker 1: I found. He goes, You're not gonna believe me. But
Speaker 1: what he does is he has this little auto sensor
Speaker 1: that he puts in a hole and he sprays it
Speaker 1: with Chanelle number five. I'm not lying, this is what
Speaker 1: he says, Chanelle number five. And he says, so coyote
Speaker 1: finds that sticks this hole in the nose and then
Speaker 1: the motion sensor goes off, sprints is a little sinide
Speaker 1: in his nostrils, and the he dies is that did
Speaker 1: he pull one over on me?
Speaker 2: So I've heard of the Cinid guns for sure, okay,
Speaker 2: but the Chanel number five, I've never heard of Chanelle
Speaker 2: number five.
Speaker 1: No, okay, man, I will get you a bottle of it.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna send it to you to try. Just go,
Speaker 1: let's see, I'll put it on a trail camp. Yes,
Speaker 1: but that's what he said. He was like, he goes,
Speaker 1: you won't believe me, and I still to this day
Speaker 1: I don't because I've never tried it, or I haven't
Speaker 1: spoken to anybody who has heard about it. Right, But
Speaker 1: he said Chanell number five. And then he says for
Speaker 1: his Bobcats that he traps out in Texas. He says
Speaker 1: he uses CDs in trees. Yep, that's legit.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's legit.
Speaker 1: Okay. Maybe maybe he's not fooling me with the old
Speaker 1: Chanell number five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know, so I don't know. I've never
Speaker 2: heard of it. Maybe he puts his lure or his
Speaker 2: scent in a Chanel number five bottle.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, you know, but I do. But
Speaker 1: why would it be a Chanelle number five bottle? Why
Speaker 1: couldn't he, Like, I mean, he could get something a lot,
Speaker 1: probably less expensive. I don't even know how much Chanelle
Speaker 1: number five costs. Maybe maybe it isn't and it is
Speaker 1: an expense.
Speaker 2: Of his wife. Might be bougie.
Speaker 1: Oh he's using his wife's perfume? Is Oh? That guy screwed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and eight bucks a bottle.
Speaker 2: Does it have castor in it?
Speaker 1: Oh? It might?
Speaker 2: Castorium might a lot of a lot of beaver casters
Speaker 2: used in perfumes.
Speaker 1: Okay, man, I mean it's got hints of uh May rose, jasmine, bourbon, vanilla.
Speaker 1: I bet it's the bourbon.
Speaker 2: Yep, it has to be.
Speaker 1: It's got to be the bourbon. I'm telling you. But
Speaker 1: uh so you talk about lures that you sell online,
Speaker 1: how how do you come up with with your formulas
Speaker 1: and what they like and what they're attracted to? Are
Speaker 1: you just reading what you've seen all these years?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So Pokatella. I believe it's in Idaho. Yeah. They
Speaker 2: they did a lot of research studies, government research studies,
Speaker 2: and those are all published, so you can look those
Speaker 2: up and read about them. But fatty acid scent is
Speaker 2: so like if you break down fats into you know,
Speaker 2: fatty acid. You have lipids, and then you break them
Speaker 2: down further into fatty acids, and so you're pretty much
Speaker 2: at skunk. Fat is a really good attractant. Once it's
Speaker 2: broke down, it has a pretty much kind of like
Speaker 2: a sweet rancid smell. Really, but it's a fatty acid
Speaker 2: fish oil. You know, you catch a lot of bull
Speaker 2: head and you want to make fish oil. You can
Speaker 2: make it out of the belly meat or the belly fat,
Speaker 2: and it makes it very good. Once it's broken down,
Speaker 2: it makes a very good scent. And then what you
Speaker 2: pretty much do is either you're fortunate enough to have
Speaker 2: a recipe already given to you, or you have to
Speaker 2: kind of formulate your own off of what you think.
Speaker 2: And luckily I had a few older mentors that were
Speaker 2: kind enough to, hey, look, I think this will serve
Speaker 2: you well. If you're going to try and pursue this,
Speaker 2: you know, just don't screw it up.
Speaker 1: That's me. Yeah, don't screw it up. That's that's I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to screw it up. But you offer.
Speaker 1: What's I gotta know what this is? What is K
Speaker 1: nine pudding?
Speaker 2: It's so that's it's called Comanche is the name, and uh,
Speaker 2: it's pretty much just a concoction of plans and other
Speaker 2: types of lure bases that I use, and then it
Speaker 2: has a little bit of castor and some other additives
Speaker 2: to it just to preserve it. Like sodium benzoate is
Speaker 2: a preservative. Methyl parabin is a preservative. Your benzoates are
Speaker 2: going to like really work on your bacterias, whereas in
Speaker 2: your parabins are going to work on your fun guys.
Speaker 2: So you're not getting fungus in it. It's just like
Speaker 2: if you're trying to are food.
Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting. Man's learning so much? How much
Speaker 1: so if someone reaches out to you, like you know,
Speaker 1: a farmer in let's say western Oklahoma who really likes
Speaker 1: his deer and hates the coyotes? How much? How much acreage?
Speaker 1: I mean, how much acreage can you work with? I mean,
Speaker 1: are you working with a lot of smaller farms? Are
Speaker 1: you working with a lot of big ranches? How does?
Speaker 1: How does? How do you go about finding the right
Speaker 1: piece of property to hunt coyotes on?
Speaker 2: I try to find the livestock, honestly, whether where there's
Speaker 2: livestock or where there's deer ranches, you know, even out
Speaker 2: on those plants, the plantations out east on those guys's ranches,
Speaker 2: I guess as you can call them, but they call
Speaker 2: them plantations.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It really it doesn't really matter on the acreage. It
Speaker 2: just matters on what what hub you have, what source
Speaker 2: where are they all going to funnel into and out
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma? Or I trap. I have probably over one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand acres that I trap on ok
Speaker 2: And some are you know, guys with livestock, and then
Speaker 2: some are just ag ground, whether that's milo or you know,
Speaker 2: trapping on center pivots where the water's at. It's so
Speaker 2: dry out and you know Oklahoma that they need water,
Speaker 2: they need food. So you find those two resources, you
Speaker 2: kind of got it whipped. If you have if you
Speaker 2: have a water trough or you know they have all
Speaker 2: of them sitting around where there's livestock, there's gonna be
Speaker 2: water there. Man.
Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating to think because you're going through this
Speaker 1: and I'm going, okay, yeah, I know where that is
Speaker 1: on my property. I'm just thinking, and I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's where the master class would benefit a
Speaker 1: guy like me is because if you have property or
Speaker 1: you want to get into this, that would be the
Speaker 1: route that you would need to go. Like you, you're
Speaker 1: starting to think, and I think you spur a lot
Speaker 1: of thought in your classes trotructional videos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially with the private forum because if guys
Speaker 2: don't understand something on a video. They can literally take
Speaker 2: a picture of it, put it right on the forum
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, what's going on with this?
Speaker 1: Or you know, can you can you.
Speaker 2: Elaborate a little bit more on that. It's just it
Speaker 2: the way we go with the way I we have
Speaker 2: it set up. I had someone go through and set
Speaker 2: this site up. So the way that we set it up,
Speaker 2: I tried to make it as user friendly as possible,
Speaker 2: you know, not having to get photo bucket and then
Speaker 2: download that and share it to a forum. Have you
Speaker 2: been on any of those forums? Oh yeah, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it's sometimes it gets rough.
Speaker 1: It is rough, it's tedious, it's it makes it not
Speaker 1: worth it. And that's and really I mean, and you
Speaker 1: go to public forum, go to any of them, you
Speaker 1: do not know what you're gonna get. No, Like, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's the wild West. They're not vetted, they're
Speaker 1: not you're not mond. You're not getting a lot of
Speaker 1: good monitor monitor not monetization monitoring. Yeah, you're not getting
Speaker 1: a lot of that. And I think I think this
Speaker 1: type of forum would really benefit especially a newbie like myself.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And that's the thing too, is there's a
Speaker 2: lot of there's a lot of guys on there that
Speaker 2: have knowledge, a lot of like my mentor is on
Speaker 2: that site, and we don't poke fun. We don't say
Speaker 2: that's the dumbest question I ever heard, you know, because
Speaker 2: we're I've been there, We've all been there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Try try not to you know, belittle anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's important because man, I don't like
Speaker 1: me asking the Chanel number five. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: have gone, dude, I think I think you're getting hose.
Speaker 1: But how do you know if you don't ask someone
Speaker 1: who knows what they're talking about before I go spend
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight bucks for a kyote lure that
Speaker 1: probably doesn't work. I mean, I guess I could give
Speaker 1: it to my wife. Yeah, I mean she's like, why
Speaker 1: do I have half a bottle? Who did you take
Speaker 1: this from? Like the question? Then I got a lot
Speaker 1: of answer to. No, Honey, I swear it was from
Speaker 1: It was it was for kyote bait. She's like, kyo bait. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how it is. So when is when is the
Speaker 1: best time to trap?
Speaker 2: And well, that just really depends on if you're going
Speaker 2: for prime for or if you're going for predation work, okay,
Speaker 2: prime for you're going to wait till your you know,
Speaker 2: obviously your later months when it gets cold. And they say,
Speaker 2: you know, daylight does a lot with it, and I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really buy into that whole philosophy. I trap
Speaker 2: as soon as I can. I love trapping. I love
Speaker 2: being out there. I love the challenges, the adversities, you know,
Speaker 2: the the triumphs. So I start as early as I can.
Speaker 2: And when you start early, you're catching the young of
Speaker 2: the year that maybe there's one to two year old
Speaker 2: pups that you know, haven't really been out and about
Speaker 2: as much, but they have beautiful fur. Their fur is
Speaker 2: because they haven't been through too many years where they
Speaker 2: have you know, laid down and got froze, stuck to
Speaker 2: the ground and pulled out their guard hairs, or they've
Speaker 2: been in fights, or they've got shot at or you know,
Speaker 2: went through barbed wire and just you know damage. So
Speaker 2: you get a really good pelt. And then I also
Speaker 2: sell tanned fur, and I get that. I don't have
Speaker 2: it on my website yet. I'm I'm in the process.
Speaker 2: I'm in the infancy of getting it all done. So
Speaker 2: that's that's what I do. I go out there and
Speaker 2: I try and help those landowners out west. But then
Speaker 2: I also I try not to waste the fur or
Speaker 2: waste the animal. So I take the glands out, I
Speaker 2: take the skulls off if I can, the vaculums. I
Speaker 2: try to repurpose every part of that animal, because as
Speaker 2: much as I want to get rid of them, I
Speaker 2: also really really respect that animal. Because you try and
Speaker 2: get rid of them, they just they just keep coming.
Speaker 1: They they do know you're right, that's cool that you're
Speaker 1: able to repurpose everything. And really, because you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys out there that I mean, probably
Speaker 1: not most trappers. I think I feel that most trappers
Speaker 1: are doing it for the right reasons. You're going to
Speaker 1: invest the time, and it sounds like the money because
Speaker 1: I've got way too many hobbies. It sounds like to
Speaker 1: start spending you know, three hundred dollars per trap, like
Speaker 1: especially on some good ones or whatever you might need. Right,
Speaker 1: they're doing it for the right reason.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, A lot of guys. You know, there's
Speaker 2: knuckleheads in every outdoor genre or cohort, but a lot
Speaker 2: of guys are doing it all for the right reasons.
Speaker 2: And you know that's those are the guys I look
Speaker 2: up to. And you know, I don't want to sit
Speaker 2: I don't want to sit here. And you know, have
Speaker 2: your audience think I'm the the king or the Krim
Speaker 2: Dela Krim. I'm not. There's a lot of guys out
Speaker 2: there that are. You know, they probably forgot more about
Speaker 2: trapping than I know.
Speaker 1: But man, you know a lot more. You know that
Speaker 1: much more than I do. I mean, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know a ton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, most of those guys are getting
Speaker 2: up into their sixties. I think the average age for
Speaker 2: trapping for a trapper is sixty two.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know, so we're losing We're losing a lot of
Speaker 2: the younger generation in trapping. And that was one reason
Speaker 2: I started posting publicly was to try and get maybe
Speaker 2: some of the you know, the younger guys. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm thirty four. I'd like to get some of the
Speaker 2: twenty to thirty year old gents you know, or even
Speaker 2: ladies involved. And but I get a lot of backlash
Speaker 2: from that. You know a lot of people, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I got telephone threats like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can if you want, I can try and play
Speaker 2: the voicemail.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, do that. It's amazing, is it? Sorry,
Speaker 1: like I want to hear it? It is this PG
Speaker 1: thirteen because oh yeah, yeah, yeah it's PG thirteen. I
Speaker 1: mean there's threats thrown about all over the place.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, like, is do you allow cussing? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we can beep that. We can beat that.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're playing a threat to Colt from Coyotia Academy.
Speaker 2: Hey, Marma, I don't want to kill you, you know,
Speaker 2: and your whole family for killing all those animals. I
Speaker 2: want to kill you. My country song was Ohio and
Speaker 2: I want groll with you. I want to show you one.
Speaker 1: Holy crab. Yeah he sounds serious. Gosh, I don't for
Speaker 1: all the critters I've killed, I don't think I've received something.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a badge of honor right there. Well congratulations.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just try and I try and put
Speaker 2: it out to the public so they can see it,
Speaker 2: you know, And I try to. I don't try and
Speaker 2: do them, you know, any I don't try and do
Speaker 2: those any animals any ill harm on video or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be as as humane as possible.
Speaker 2: As I possibly can. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, but a guy like that here, this is
Speaker 1: a prime example of someone who doesn't know what they're
Speaker 1: talking about, that leads just first with their like, I
Speaker 1: could tell you probably what kind of yard sign that
Speaker 1: guy has in his yard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean he doesn't. He doesn't lead with logic,
Speaker 1: he doesn't lead with science. He just it's an emotional
Speaker 1: response for him. That's a that's that's a creature that
Speaker 1: How could you kill that? Come? Cut? Cut me a
Speaker 1: break here, Like you know what that thing does to
Speaker 1: a fun like populations on whitetail or. I mean, that
Speaker 1: thing's killing way more than you have, way more.
Speaker 2: Yep, they don't. They don't see you that though. You know,
Speaker 2: they don't know, don't.
Speaker 1: That's it's emotion driven, That's all it is. It's emotion.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna get all my soapbox. I better not
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you. They called. They called two other
Speaker 2: times after that, uh, and I answered. I the first
Speaker 2: time I wasn't able to answer. I answered, and they
Speaker 2: just hung up.
Speaker 1: Oh god, ah, that's I definitely know what kind of
Speaker 1: yard sign they have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wanted it to be documented. So I
Speaker 2: called my local police department and then called my cell
Speaker 2: phone carrier, and you know, they both said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: we can't do anything to help you. And I said,
Speaker 2: I figured that as much.
Speaker 1: At least at least yep, it's documented. So man, I
Speaker 1: hate to hear that you get those kind of calls,
Speaker 1: but I mean, we get our fair share of hate
Speaker 1: around here too, and it's, oh yeah, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. Like we're it's not going to change.
Speaker 2: What I do. It's just a hurdle.
Speaker 1: You just got to get over it. That's right, man,
Speaker 1: Colt dude, thank you so much for taking time out
Speaker 1: of your busy day and answering a random Facebook message.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much I enjoyed talking with you.
Speaker 2: It was a pleasure, man, it really was.
Speaker 1: Man. You guys go check them out. Kyote Dash Academy
Speaker 1: dot com go look them up. Are you on Instagram?
Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok.
Speaker 1: Everything, it's it is worth a look. I guarantee you
Speaker 1: will not be disappointed. And I mean, I have to
Speaker 1: tell you I know what I'm asking for Christmas. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna start trapping some coyots. So uh so. Anyway, Colt,
Speaker 1: thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Not a problem.
Speaker 1: All right, all you gun talkers, you gun talk hunters,
Speaker 1: you know the drill. Keep those muzzles pointing in a
Speaker 1: safe direction, and always be on the hunt.