Speaker 1: All right, Well we're live. No intro here. This is
Speaker 1: a special live stream. If you guys haven't seen the
Speaker 1: announcement on X I am for a limited time just
Speaker 1: for a nostalge of purposes around the holiday season, something
Speaker 1: I'd been thinking about doing for a while. I am
Speaker 1: temporarily resurrecting the Daniel three podcast, which was my first podcast.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe it's just like an autism
Speaker 1: thing where I was just like, I anted it one
Speaker 1: ninety three, and I were, yeah, anteddute ninety three, and
Speaker 1: I was like, that's just such a weird, dumb number
Speaker 1: to end it on. And I've also thought about trying
Speaker 1: to venture out of my Biblical Anarchy podcast Niche and
Speaker 1: maybe start a second show that's more grab bag. And
Speaker 1: so there's an experiment to see if you people want that.
Speaker 1: And so to set this off, this is a little
Speaker 1: limited series I'm doing down memory Lane to finish the
Speaker 1: Danial three podcast. Right, I have with me a good
Speaker 1: friend of mine and one of the first guests I
Speaker 1: ever had on I thought, actually, I think we're one
Speaker 1: of the first guests on both of our show respectively. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but a Jose Gallison of No Way Jose. How you
Speaker 1: doing tonight, brother doing well?
Speaker 2: Pleasure to be back on the show. It has been
Speaker 2: a while, but yeah, I'm pretty sure we like started
Speaker 2: literally the same exact time. Hell, even your I think
Speaker 2: you're using the thumbnail right now too, the one that
Speaker 2: uh yes, it was made. It's like part of the
Speaker 2: liberty movement thing, which was like the thing I was
Speaker 2: like part of at the beginning that just kind of
Speaker 2: fell off. So yeah, it was it. It feels like
Speaker 2: forever ago, but that was like what like probably four
Speaker 2: years ago now at this point, give or take, but
Speaker 2: it was around twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is exactly here. I'm gonna share my
Speaker 1: screen here. Uh where is it? Appearents on no Way, Jose.
Speaker 1: It was exactly yeah, four years ago according to YouTube.
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, appear until no Way, Jose. Look at look
Speaker 1: at those two little kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look how Jackson Tan I was, uh.
Speaker 1: You're you're, you're you're trending. Uh we're trying to get
Speaker 1: opposite directions. I think i've uh I've I've slimmed down
Speaker 1: a little bit and uh scruffed up a little more.
Speaker 3: Yeah I have.
Speaker 2: I'm not in shape at all like I was then,
Speaker 2: but uh, I'm getting back in shape now, I'm working
Speaker 2: on it. I got I got a little bit fat,
Speaker 2: little discussed myself. But uh yeah, uh yeah it is wild.
Speaker 2: It's a long long road. Uh started this about four
Speaker 2: years ago, and now I've gotten to the point to
Speaker 2: where it's a sort.
Speaker 3: Of profitable side gig. So hey, here we are.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 3: I can't complain.
Speaker 1: We are C slash B level tier libertarian podcasters who
Speaker 1: make a side living podcasting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm at the point where I think I like
Speaker 2: to put in brass rooms. I make like basically a
Speaker 2: quarter uh podcasting in a day, do what I would
Speaker 2: like my real job. So it's like it's like almost
Speaker 2: that like borderline, like should I just quit my job?
Speaker 2: Like no, I need to be more like a half
Speaker 2: and then I can say fuck my job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could you know, like if you quit, you could
Speaker 1: scale up, but like you need to be able to
Speaker 1: kind of count on that and project it. And I
Speaker 1: kind of have privately for me too, kind of like
Speaker 1: a number i'd want to be at. And even then
Speaker 1: i'd probably just cut down to part time and you know,
Speaker 1: feel it out for a while before I completely did it.
Speaker 1: But I'm also just I'm more risk adverse. So that's
Speaker 1: just the way I am.
Speaker 2: The uh well, yeah, I mean when you got family,
Speaker 2: you can't just be risking it all all the time. Actually,
Speaker 2: because I keep trying to tell be like want to
Speaker 2: just like sit my wife time, but like I don't
Speaker 2: think you understand like it. But if I like stream
Speaker 2: every single day, I'll just really nail the algo and
Speaker 2: like we'll be doing like all right and not too
Speaker 2: long because they just sound like a crazy person, like
Speaker 2: some husband trying to convince his wife. They're like, I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you, like no, my my, my garage band
Speaker 2: is really gonna take it off you. But I mean
Speaker 2: when you already are seeing the money though, you're like,
Speaker 2: the money's there, So theoretically if we just upscale the volume,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It is a you.
Speaker 2: Got to make sure things are solid for the family
Speaker 2: because that's what matters the most at the end of
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, well, speaking of money and making sure that podcasts
Speaker 1: are lucrative, I guess even though I'm here on the
Speaker 1: Daniel three podcast, I'm just gonna do a little bit
Speaker 1: of grifting for my LCI side, just to remind people
Speaker 1: this is our end of the year fundraising push. We're
Speaker 1: trying we have a we have a fifteen thousand dollars
Speaker 1: matching grant right now to try to really expand what
Speaker 1: we're doing next year, which not only is about you know,
Speaker 1: obviously paying all of us a little more hopefully so
Speaker 1: we can do more. That's the idea is like if
Speaker 1: we get if we have more money, we can pay
Speaker 1: our creators more, create more content. But it's also about
Speaker 1: trying to just on the podcasting side. We have like
Speaker 1: three or four books that we're working on publishing and
Speaker 1: as well as more events that we're trying to attend
Speaker 1: so that we can you know, make Libertarian Christian Institute
Speaker 1: more of a household name so you guys can go
Speaker 1: to a wrong one d there we go. I do
Speaker 1: with professionally guys Libertarian Christians dot com slash donate if
Speaker 1: you are so inclined to be uh generous with whatever
Speaker 1: money you have left over at this time of year,
Speaker 1: so appreciate that if anyone wants to see some uh
Speaker 1: you know, look at those two little baby faced uh
Speaker 1: we were it's not that long ago, but I forget
Speaker 1: I think you're a little bit you're a little bit old.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two. I think you're a little bit older
Speaker 1: than me.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm like a year old than you.
Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing substantial, We're about the same age, roughiki or
Speaker 2: take yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a I don't know, I don't know which one.
Speaker 1: He's asking us to tell my hair. My hairstyle technique
Speaker 1: is just take gel and do bush. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I if you.
Speaker 2: Guys know, I also take clippers and like I will
Speaker 2: like kind of edge around like it's kind of like
Speaker 2: so I'm a little bit more meticulous. Maybe that's why
Speaker 2: I'm more like pretty uh but uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do get people to make comments in my hair.
Speaker 2: I don't do anything too crazy. I just do. I
Speaker 2: don't even know to say other than like a coment
Speaker 2: and sometimes like throw my hand through it and be
Speaker 2: like that looks cool and I'll walk away.
Speaker 1: I've actually spent more time it like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: grow the hair out a little bit more. But then
Speaker 1: I'm also, for the first time really ever, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to grow the beard out, which is a bit of
Speaker 1: a pain. I've finally gotten past the point where it
Speaker 1: looks just really scraggly and we're starting to get.
Speaker 4: A little bit of length to it.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm I mean, hopefully I don't lose subscribers
Speaker 1: for this, but I am Jewish, So the struggle is
Speaker 1: trying to get the hair to actually just grow down
Speaker 1: and not just jew fro all the curls and stuff
Speaker 1: on the side.
Speaker 4: So I have to do I.
Speaker 1: Have to like get do little trims and get beard
Speaker 1: oil and stuff.
Speaker 4: But uh, my.
Speaker 1: Son's really into skillet and so he's just like he
Speaker 1: sees their lead uh singer John Cooper his hair style
Speaker 1: and beard style and like, Dad, you should do that.
Speaker 1: And so I'm I'm trying to live live, uh live
Speaker 1: my nine year old son's dream for him.
Speaker 2: So one day he too will be able to grow
Speaker 2: a relatively semi decent beard. Yeah, I'm not quite there yet.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe one of these days I'll grow up. My
Speaker 2: ship doesn't connect quite like I'd like it too, Uh,
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, I mean it's a it's better than
Speaker 2: what I was dealing with back then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would think.
Speaker 2: I think it was still active duty of that time,
Speaker 2: so I probably was literally having to shave every single day.
Speaker 2: So things have changed along a lot since then. Uh,
Speaker 2: in more ways, than one for our shows, our jobs,
Speaker 2: all sorts of things the world. Uh, I mean we're
Speaker 2: living in crazy times, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, and so like we've we both have evolved our
Speaker 1: not just our podcasts but our branding over time. And
Speaker 1: I'd say for the most part, like I think we've
Speaker 1: both like what we do, the product we give our
Speaker 1: listeners has improved. Although I still get a little nostalgic
Speaker 1: sometimes for the old days when it was like we
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to lose and we could be like
Speaker 1: just I don't know, like a little bit more. I don't
Speaker 1: think unhinged or experimental like I used to love your
Speaker 1: like your first intro with the the dancing WAYFU and
Speaker 1: the money printers and all that. Like any time I'd
Speaker 1: play that at work is just like, you know, just
Speaker 1: all my speakers rather than my my AirPod. You just
Speaker 1: get people looking over like, what the hell was that.
Speaker 4: Kay listening to? We had the same guy do our intros.
Speaker 4: That was crap.
Speaker 3: What was his Campbell?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Justin Campbell Cambell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't find my my original intro. But I
Speaker 1: I what I did was just to show people that
Speaker 1: I again going down, going down, nostalgia lane. Here I
Speaker 1: went and found just like the last episode where I
Speaker 1: played it.
Speaker 4: To that was pretty decent. I mean, yeah, a.
Speaker 3: Lot of bass, so look yeah.
Speaker 4: And then it just goes crazy. So that was it
Speaker 4: was a yah.
Speaker 2: Mine just went Mine just went straight action, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you had like the lobby stuff, like that's what that is.
Speaker 2: That's like the lobby vibe, like we're waiting, yeah, flicking
Speaker 2: some stuff, whereas I'm just like, boom, let's go. I
Speaker 2: still haven't even figured out how to do lobby stuff,
Speaker 2: and now, especially now that I'm doing more streams now,
Speaker 2: I need to figure it out. Kind of If anyone
Speaker 2: seen Timeline Cleanse how Raven does his how he has
Speaker 2: like the nice lobby little setup. I need to get
Speaker 2: good at producing on the end of things for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of channels out there that do
Speaker 1: a good job with that. I've just stuck to the
Speaker 1: I have a shorter intro now and I just have
Speaker 1: a custom made time or I don't use the stream
Speaker 1: yard default want anymore. Just so you start the stream
Speaker 1: with people there and you're not just talking to no
Speaker 1: one at the very very beginning. But I used to
Speaker 1: get I think towards the end. Sometimes I get complaints
Speaker 1: just be like, you know, your your episode are like
Speaker 1: the first three minutes are just nothing but just waiting
Speaker 1: for the episode to start. It's like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you get to you get to actually be there
Speaker 1: at the start rather than showing up five minutes late.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Like, yeah, I know, some people
Speaker 2: really get into the whole lobby things. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think maybe it's like a bigger show thing, but you yeah,
Speaker 2: people like to talk and like the build up, the anticipation.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I am the kind of guy who gets annoyed when
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, cool to see this episode's premiering, and
Speaker 2: then I go over to it and then like here's this,
Speaker 2: Like oh no, here's another fucking ninety second roll out
Speaker 2: that I have to wait for. Uh that is annoying,
Speaker 2: But uh, I guess people people it must work somehow.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: It seems to be a thing people like, So I
Speaker 3: don't know, not for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of like I mean,
Speaker 1: when you watch what other people do, there's always like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how your brain works. I'm always looking
Speaker 1: at what people do and deciding if I want to
Speaker 1: copy that or or integrate it in some partial way
Speaker 1: into what I do. But it's then it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, experimenting and wanting to be original and
Speaker 1: not just like Okay, everyone who does podcasts does this,
Speaker 1: so that's doesn't mean necessarily I have to do it.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: The other thing is like, you know what, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've had you on before and we've talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about this, but like, obviously I'm revamping this
Speaker 1: just partly out of just kind of like just hey,
Speaker 1: this would be fun to do, and it was just
Speaker 1: literally on a whim kind of like that. And then
Speaker 1: also in the back of my mind, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like your show is more of a like you can
Speaker 1: kind of cover a wide array of topics, whereas I
Speaker 1: started out with a niche that although is like if
Speaker 1: if someone really wants to know about libertarianism and Christianity,
Speaker 1: than like it's like, okay, cool, this is like a
Speaker 1: really like like a good signal that like, hey, I
Speaker 1: should go check that out. On the other hand, it's
Speaker 1: like if I just want to like have a casual
Speaker 1: conversation with like you know you or like one of
Speaker 1: my friends, it's like, all right, like how do I
Speaker 1: fit that thematically into one of my what I'm doing?
Speaker 1: And so I'm kind of thinking about I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: want to like keep the Daniel three going again. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to get it back to one hundred, just
Speaker 1: so like it it looks neater in the U because
Speaker 1: I had, like the old website still up people can
Speaker 1: go back and see all the episodes. Just thought it'd
Speaker 1: be cool if it actually showed a one hundred rather
Speaker 1: than ninety three. But it's like I do want to
Speaker 1: do like more of conversations just like this. On the
Speaker 1: one hand, I don't know if everyone's into that, But
Speaker 1: on the other hand, like I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: a good way for like sometimes people to get introduced
Speaker 1: into like like they might not want to go and
Speaker 1: jump right into like theory and they might just want
Speaker 1: to listen to people talk about stuff with a little
Speaker 1: bit of theory mixed in, which it's kind of more
Speaker 1: what I used to do until I joined the ELCI,
Speaker 1: which obviously, like they are an educational outfit right, like
Speaker 1: so that's their focus, which makes sense. But I guess
Speaker 1: I'm I want to have the best of both worlds,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Daniel three did seem to be more
Speaker 2: of a variety show. Was the vibe that you had
Speaker 2: It was obviously had more of a bent towards a
Speaker 2: libertarian Christian type thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the newer stuff, the Elsie, the libertarian Christian
Speaker 2: Institute stuff that you're doing. Now obviously it's gonna be
Speaker 2: more religious. So I could see the dilemma you're dealing with.
Speaker 2: I mean, I did kind of make a point from
Speaker 2: the beginning to not really not niche myself too down
Speaker 2: too much, because even though like my show is very
Speaker 2: different from when it started, like very different, I feel
Speaker 2: like I've kind of gone through three major vibes. Like
Speaker 2: when I first started, I was I had a certain
Speaker 2: thing I was going for that got scrapped pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Then it went to kind of being like a liberty
Speaker 2: in theory show. But even then I left it open
Speaker 2: to like where I cover other things, and it's over
Speaker 2: time become a para politics show to where I'm not
Speaker 2: even necessarily like really that into theory anymore. Like I'll
Speaker 2: cover it occasionally, you know, when it seems relative or relevant.
Speaker 2: But I've kind of moved past that and gotten to
Speaker 2: like focusing more in on parapolitics. You know, I've been
Speaker 2: I've covered a lot, like the Dutroux stuff, then Belgium, Okay, see,
Speaker 2: like things of that nature. That's kind of where I
Speaker 2: found myself at these days. But I'm still open to
Speaker 2: that changing in the future. And that's part of why
Speaker 2: I like that I stuck with no. I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: it's not the greatest for building an audience because people
Speaker 2: want like, oh, this is a conspiracy podcast, this is
Speaker 2: a theory podcast. But it's like, I mean, I know,
Speaker 2: it's just that's I just I don't really want to
Speaker 2: be one of the other I mean, for now, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of basically a conspiracy podcast, and I'm good with
Speaker 2: that for.
Speaker 3: Now, but I'm not willing to commit to that.
Speaker 2: My add will set in at some point and I'll
Speaker 2: probably want to I'll probably yo yo back to like
Speaker 2: theory or some other thing or something.
Speaker 3: At some point.
Speaker 2: I'll end up finishing my Democracy The God that Fails
Speaker 2: a series with Toad, you know, But for now, I
Speaker 2: just don't really care about theory, so I know, I
Speaker 2: just I more or less treat it as like a.
Speaker 3: An area for exploration.
Speaker 2: Like even my new morning Dump show that I've been doing,
Speaker 2: like my live stream show, they've been doing, you know,
Speaker 2: probably like three days, three to five days a week.
Speaker 2: It's kind of almost like I've literally it's just stuff
Speaker 2: that I saved in my in my bookmark folder of
Speaker 2: stuff that I wanted to cover, like, so it's a
Speaker 2: lot of it's like articles that I want to read
Speaker 2: or stuff like it. So it's almost like a research environment.
Speaker 2: So I'm just kind of going through the news of
Speaker 2: the day that I'm like I've kind of hand selected through,
Speaker 2: like oh, just haven't had time during the day to
Speaker 2: read about whatever given thing, just bookmarked it for later,
Speaker 2: and then during the show, we sit down and we
Speaker 2: go through it together and we learn whatever the given
Speaker 2: thing of the day is. So I don't know, I
Speaker 2: just my show is kind of more or less dictated
Speaker 2: by wanting to learn stuff. So I've kind of just
Speaker 2: like intentionally like not niche myself down. But I get
Speaker 2: the need for some people too niche. I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: that's a it's worthwhile. Like if you are only doing
Speaker 2: like say Christian libertarian content, it would be like, well,
Speaker 2: why would you not brand yourself that way, So it
Speaker 2: really is a balancing act. So I guess it depends
Speaker 2: on the person, right entity.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess for me it's partly that Like on
Speaker 1: one hand, I do like theory, but it's like I
Speaker 1: can't like for what I listen to. I can't just
Speaker 1: listen to straight theory all day. Sometimes I just need
Speaker 1: to listen. And I listen to music too, but like
Speaker 1: sometimes I just want to listen to people talk, and
Speaker 1: like it's just like while I'm working or doing other
Speaker 1: stuff or to like as a just a like a
Speaker 1: you know, timeline cleanse like from my brain, right, I
Speaker 1: just want to like just listen to people who have
Speaker 1: maybe like a similar worldview to me, talk about random
Speaker 1: stuff or even like I like your Morning Dump episode
Speaker 1: because it's just like I get to listen to you
Speaker 1: just kind of like give commentary on things that like
Speaker 1: I find mild interesting. But it's not like it doesn't
Speaker 1: require me to like pay such close attention to like
Speaker 1: specific details or theory or anything that like I don't
Speaker 1: have to like feel that I have to be stressed
Speaker 1: about like missing stuff or like it's hard to listen
Speaker 1: to or anything, you know what I mean. Like there's
Speaker 1: some things you listen to you got to. You can't
Speaker 1: just casually listen to it. You have to really intentively
Speaker 1: listen to it because it's just the topic is is
Speaker 1: like that, whereas long form conversations that are more casual
Speaker 1: like this or you know just kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: political commentary on just like you know current events or
Speaker 1: you know, conspiracy theory theory stuff. Now, you know, that's
Speaker 1: different than like when you're doing your actual the deep
Speaker 1: dives into certain things, which your morning Dump actually, by
Speaker 1: the way, kind of feels like it's become almost like
Speaker 1: your funnel. It's like it's the wide funnel by which
Speaker 1: things get sorted in and then you kind of find
Speaker 1: like a sorting mechanism for like ooh oh, I gotta
Speaker 1: cover this, and then you can you know, plug it
Speaker 1: into which is kind of like partly why like Biblical
Speaker 1: Anarchy is like a good podcast for like doing my
Speaker 1: deep dives into specific topics, but it's not a great
Speaker 1: funnel or sorting mechanism is I think the issue I've
Speaker 1: run into it, Like I love my I love the
Speaker 1: Biblical Anarchy podcast. I mean I love I mean, I
Speaker 1: have mugs, mugs and shot glasses whiskey glasses made with it.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of the product I made. Like the
Speaker 1: Daniel three podcast was like me exploring things, learning things,
Speaker 1: kind of like integrating and synthesizing my ideas, and like
Speaker 1: once I did that and kind of like, hey, I
Speaker 1: now like I feel like I've put things together and
Speaker 1: I really want to like articulate these things.
Speaker 4: For people.
Speaker 1: That happened around the same time I ran into LCI
Speaker 1: and it was like a you know, perfect you know,
Speaker 1: it was a it was a perfect match. But it
Speaker 1: does feel like it's it's basically just a podcast now,
Speaker 1: Like I just riff for thirty to sixty minutes on
Speaker 1: either scripture or libertarian theory or both and got to
Speaker 1: like just explore the paralleled explore, you know, or I'll
Speaker 1: be like, I mean that's not the last year just
Speaker 1: beating dispensationalism into the ground, and I still have more real.
Speaker 2: Quick part of I think there's something that's been I
Speaker 2: really feel like I've gotten a lot out of having
Speaker 2: recently having a like a kind of a solo show,
Speaker 2: and so I think there is something to that, and
Speaker 2: I think you've probably recognize that as well. Because I
Speaker 2: started off with far more of an interview show, and
Speaker 2: my shows even now, my content's.
Speaker 3: Still far more interview you know.
Speaker 2: Oriented I very rarely ever do like solo episodes on
Speaker 2: the show, but on my morning dumb show, I will
Speaker 2: work through these ideas like on a solo level, and
Speaker 2: I feel like you're getting we get a lot out
Speaker 2: of that by putting in the reps. Putting in the
Speaker 2: time that was something I kind of take away from
Speaker 2: Raven because he's been doing those timelines for a while.
Speaker 2: He's put it that way too, is just like putting
Speaker 2: that time in the gym. So just working that muscle
Speaker 2: of being able to just talk on your own is
Speaker 2: a kind of a hard skill because it's an I mean,
Speaker 2: there are people who are really but there aren't really
Speaker 2: great interviewers but are good at doing like solo stuff,
Speaker 2: and then there's the vice versa. There are different things.
Speaker 2: But I still, at least for me, I've always found
Speaker 2: doing the solo things to be harder. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean maybe other people will have feeled differently, but
Speaker 2: I just point being as I do think it's a
Speaker 2: something worth working on because it's I feel like for me,
Speaker 2: it was always pretty easy to kind of like find
Speaker 2: a topic I want to talk about, try to find
Speaker 2: a guess and have a discussion, whereas like trying to.
Speaker 3: Do that on my own is a whole other.
Speaker 2: Thing because I'm able to kind of outfind someone who
Speaker 2: knows the subject, as opposed to trying to find subjects
Speaker 2: that I can cover myself or trying to find a
Speaker 2: way to cover it in a entertainment entertaining or intelligible
Speaker 2: way is a hard skill to develop, really, so I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to work at it. I think probably
Speaker 1: like the first twenty episodes of the Biblical Anarchy podcast
Speaker 1: when it was mostly solo stuff was a little like
Speaker 1: I go back and listen to them, and they're a
Speaker 1: little too scripted, and I kind of had to find
Speaker 1: the sweet spot where like I had researched what I
Speaker 1: was going to talk about, and I had like an outline,
Speaker 1: but I could kind of just riff more extemporaneously rather
Speaker 1: than just like reading it line for line word for word,
Speaker 1: although it just depends on the topic because sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just stuff is so mechanical that like it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you do need to sort of like to be
Speaker 1: succinct about it and clear about it. You do want
Speaker 1: to maybe read something you wrote out before to kind
Speaker 1: of make sure you get your point across. So it
Speaker 1: just it does depend. There's pros and cons to both.
Speaker 1: I guess, like on one hand, like these episodes are easy,
Speaker 1: like we just kind of like I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to do this, made a post tagged you.
Speaker 1: You'd like, hey, what you're down, and so it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the prep work I did I did for
Speaker 1: this was making the graphics, the artwork, you know, creating
Speaker 1: the stream and then looking up those two episodes just
Speaker 1: to kind of like present as a fun, cool thing.
Speaker 4: And that's it. So you don't have to and that's nice.
Speaker 1: Like just as much as I think conversations like this
Speaker 1: are easier to listen to and sometimes more enjoyable, they're
Speaker 1: easier to produce. And I like, I kind of like
Speaker 1: the freestyle for more, like I can do interviews, but
Speaker 1: you definitely like I don't ever want to be just
Speaker 1: an interview show, which I think, for one, like, we
Speaker 1: have so many libertarian interview shows, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like I don't just want to
Speaker 1: be another libertarian interview show among the libertarian podcast circuit.
Speaker 1: Like I'll interview people once in a while if it's
Speaker 1: like someone wrote a like obviously, like I'll have Scott
Speaker 1: on when he writes a new book or something. But
Speaker 1: that's kind of different, right, It's not like I'm just
Speaker 1: like bringing people on to just just that's not my
Speaker 1: main stick I enjoy. I enjoy the theory stuff. Other
Speaker 1: than that, I enjoy just like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I've always like listening to like the Joe, like the
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan podcast. Even when I'm listening to Joe talk
Speaker 1: with someone who doesn't share my worldview, it's just like
Speaker 1: I'm just interesting to hear people talk about things and
Speaker 1: it's not scripted. It just kind of organically flows and go.
Speaker 1: It can go wherever you want it to go. So no,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I'm not Joe Rogan, So it's
Speaker 1: like I can't just like I don't like, devote two
Speaker 1: to three hours just talking to random people. If like,
Speaker 1: no one's going to listen to that souse they don't
Speaker 1: like it, So I guess it's kind of an experiment
Speaker 1: to be like, I don't know, do people enjoy this
Speaker 1: at all? If I If I do it, like there's
Speaker 1: the audience that likes my other stuff, well, they also
Speaker 1: carry over and like this, I don't know, that's.
Speaker 2: Frankly, if you're looking at if you're looking at the Rogan,
Speaker 2: the rogant, I mean, not a whole lot of people
Speaker 2: really do that, and honestly, I don't. I mean, it
Speaker 2: is nice, it has its moments, and obviously it's like
Speaker 2: the number one format out there, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: I mean I don't personally aside from that, like it's
Speaker 2: working from I don't really care for it, to be honest, like.
Speaker 3: The very rarely I mean a Rogan. It works. Something
Speaker 3: about Rogan makes it work.
Speaker 2: But the idea of taking all different guests of all
Speaker 2: different stripes and just sitting down having like a three
Speaker 2: hour discussion with each individual one just kind of that
Speaker 2: meanders all over the place, not really necessarily for me
Speaker 2: aside from the context of it like a Rogan, because
Speaker 2: he doesn't make a lot of them interesting, and even
Speaker 2: then like you can pick your guests, but for the
Speaker 2: most part is kind of like I don't think that's
Speaker 2: the format for most podcasters because for one, that's an
Speaker 2: insane amount of time. It's like, I don't know, there's
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things restricting it. But uh, I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess Rogan just has a knack for bringing the
Speaker 2: best out of people. But I don't even know what
Speaker 2: I'm like going on about. I'm just just the idea
Speaker 2: of doing that format. I mean, trying to find what
Speaker 2: works for a podcast is kind of hard. I think
Speaker 2: you do kind of want to find something that's like
Speaker 2: kind of authentic for you and like, I don't know
Speaker 2: for me, Like I just don't It wouldn't be authentic
Speaker 2: if I had a show where I was like I
Speaker 2: sat down with someone for three hours and read a
Speaker 2: long because it's just like that's just not how.
Speaker 3: I operate in real life.
Speaker 1: I think I think Rogan is a unique person who
Speaker 1: can go for that long, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean usually you get an hour into
Speaker 1: something and you're kind of hour hour and a half
Speaker 1: like it, And that's just a specific topic that required
Speaker 1: a lot of length. I do think it's I think
Speaker 1: Rogan's just like he's so he's into so many different
Speaker 1: things and he's he's a good like natural conversationalist and
Speaker 1: interviewer that he can make most people interesting for a
Speaker 1: long time. Although you know, sometimes like he have you
Speaker 1: ever watched when he had Matt Walshan That was like
Speaker 1: one of the worst Joe Rogan experiences ever. Was like
Speaker 1: we talked, they talk about like what is a woman
Speaker 1: for like thirty minutes and then Rogan was like, you know,
Speaker 1: doing his normal thing, trying to bring up different stuff
Speaker 1: and get Matt to talk about it, and then it
Speaker 1: was just kind of like, oh, wait, no, this guy
Speaker 1: has like no personality or interesting qualities beyond this like
Speaker 1: documentary he made. And it was like I think, I
Speaker 1: think it ended up being like an hour in fifteen
Speaker 1: minute or hour and thirty minute episode, which for like
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan is like it might as well have been
Speaker 1: like a thirty minute episode, Like that's just they're not
Speaker 1: usually that short. So I guess it's partly like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's partly interview, it's partly your Style's partly who you book, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure you book interesting people that you
Speaker 1: know can have, you know, interesting things to say for
Speaker 1: at least an hour or two hours or or something
Speaker 1: like that. And I suppose it's also like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess everyone has a different interest right, Like if so,
Speaker 1: I mean it's and I won't say I enjoy every
Speaker 1: episode of the Joe Rogan podcast. There's plenty I listened
Speaker 1: to that, Like, I couldn't even tell you what they
Speaker 1: talked about. Just sometimes it's just nice to hear people bantering,
Speaker 1: uh in the background about random, random things. But that's
Speaker 1: that's just what I enjoy. Sometimes I like, I don't,
Speaker 1: what do you listen to? I guess i'd be curious
Speaker 1: to to. I don't. I don't know what you listening.
Speaker 1: I know we both listened to part of the problem
Speaker 1: to some extent. Put outside of that, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you if you have like a regular listening thing
Speaker 1: or if you've listened.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: Once I started producing podcasts, I started listening to them
Speaker 1: less just because of time and also just kind of
Speaker 1: like I don't like something meant I can't even put
Speaker 1: words to it. Just something sort of like mentally changed
Speaker 1: in like my brain when I started making my own
Speaker 1: Just like I didn't have as much interest in listening
Speaker 1: to podcasts that were like specifically like political or libertarian ones,
Speaker 1: unless I like wanted to for that specific episode or topic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely has changed a lot since I started
Speaker 2: producing my own content. I don't uh, I definitely have
Speaker 2: like I used to have more. I feel like that
Speaker 2: we're in the rotation now. It is just like the
Speaker 2: pretty faithfully I listen to part of the problem pretty much.
Speaker 2: It's pretty much like so far as a political analysis.
Speaker 2: That's probably the only show I really watch. I guess
Speaker 2: maybe I guess you could say, uh, Clint so Liberty Lockdown.
Speaker 3: I do that. I just to catch out as well.
Speaker 2: Tinfoil Hat from Sam Triple I watch like most of them,
Speaker 2: so actually not even most of them. Really, it's completely
Speaker 2: just depends on what the topic is, because I mean
Speaker 2: sometimes it does just get a little too woo woo
Speaker 2: for me and I'm just not even interested in the topic.
Speaker 2: And he does have a good lot of good pair
Speaker 2: of political type stuff on there. William Ramsay, I listened
Speaker 2: to a lot. He's a lot of really good stuff,
Speaker 2: and he has a He's done a ton of interviews. Really,
Speaker 2: I just have like a bunch of different people that
Speaker 2: I follow that occasionally will drop episodes. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's something I want to go a little little uh
Speaker 2: rabbit hole I want to go down. But for the
Speaker 2: most part, yeah, it's really just kind of the only
Speaker 2: ones I follow religiously is Clint and and Day in
Speaker 2: the rest just kind of like you know, just whatever
Speaker 2: it catches my ear. I also do when I'm when
Speaker 2: I'm caught up completely on podcasts, I do a lot
Speaker 2: of audio books. So I've been doing a lot on Ah,
Speaker 2: I've been reading a book. I forget the book with
Speaker 2: the audiobook I've been doing. It's one on Alan Dulles's
Speaker 2: time in the UH, in the in the Cia and
Speaker 2: all that intrigue that goes along with him. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, I mean it is it is really just
Speaker 2: a kind of all over the place, and a lot
Speaker 2: of times it depends on whatever weird little rabbit hole
Speaker 2: I'm going down that time. It might be I'm finding
Speaker 2: some weird niche podcasts that I'm listening to some other thing,
Speaker 2: or I'm finding some YouTube video or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 2: the type of work I have, I work with my hands.
Speaker 2: A lot of times I'm able to listen to podcasts
Speaker 2: and stuff like while I'm doing it. So it is like,
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of podcasts, a lot of audio books,
Speaker 2: so I am doing that stuff a lot. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously I'm reading as well, so I'm still reading, Okay,
Speaker 2: see books when I have time to read, read, and
Speaker 2: I don't really ever do music, So I know that's
Speaker 2: just kind of where I'm a podcast why it's really
Speaker 2: just Dave is the only thing I really listened to
Speaker 2: keep up with the going ons of the politics world.
Speaker 2: But uh, I'm very much like got my ear to
Speaker 2: the ground on a lot of like pair of politics
Speaker 2: and just kind of all over the place when it
Speaker 2: comes to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever get burnt out from any of it?
Speaker 1: From time to time? I have to, like, you know, every.
Speaker 2: Once in a while, I'll have like, every once in
Speaker 2: a while, have like a week or so where I
Speaker 2: just like do nothing to but listen to music or something,
Speaker 2: and you know, just kind of like I'll get burnt
Speaker 2: out to where like I've just been doing nothing but
Speaker 2: being just completely straight laced and just like serious content.
Speaker 2: And then I'll just go a week where I just
Speaker 2: like we'll listen to music and get stoned quite a bit.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just like I gotta let my brain
Speaker 2: chill out.
Speaker 1: As you know, it was funny I was about to
Speaker 1: ask you as as someone who's not really because like
Speaker 1: for me as a religious person, like when I get
Speaker 1: to like periods of like kind of burnout, frustration, whatnot.
Speaker 1: Like I spend time in prayer, I spend time even
Speaker 1: I've considered starting to do like religious fasts and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna be like, do you have anything,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, like because like I don't. I know,
Speaker 1: like he's a bad example because of how Cringey is.
Speaker 1: But uh, like Sam Harris is an atheist and believes
Speaker 1: in meditation and stuff like that, So it can be like,
Speaker 1: do you do anything? But I guess, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess is uh are substance is part of that
Speaker 1: equation for you? I guess, like is that part partly
Speaker 1: how you like, uh cleanse the mental palette so to speak.
Speaker 3: I don't know, not overtly.
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't really have anything particularly, I guess I
Speaker 2: just try to have a good grip on things. I mean,
Speaker 2: as I've gone older, most of my vices have actually
Speaker 2: sort of slipped away as.
Speaker 3: I've gone older.
Speaker 2: I don't know, just maybe it's just the autist in
Speaker 2: me that I'll see like something like a vaping or
Speaker 2: or drinking or you know, smoking or dipping, and it
Speaker 2: just kind of just seems like a wasteful behavior, like
Speaker 2: I overanalyzed it him, like why am I doing this?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: And those are usually I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: those vices sometimes are the things you do lean on
Speaker 2: for for stuff like that to.
Speaker 3: Kind of deal with it. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm just weird with weird left with weird anxious
Speaker 2: energy when I have and I just kind of have
Speaker 2: to let that, just shove that down deep until it
Speaker 2: goes away. But uh, I don't know, I mean not really,
Speaker 2: I don't I just kind of, you know, go lift
Speaker 2: heavyweight until sad sad sound and head go away type deal.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't really ever think about my feelings really, so
Speaker 2: I mean, to be completely frank, I don't know. There,
Speaker 2: I definitely do get like, especially with a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff that I cover to where I'm like, this stuff
Speaker 2: is just so dark and I just you just have
Speaker 2: to take him in it. Sometimes sometimes it's like I'll
Speaker 2: just go to where I'm like gonna flick on the
Speaker 2: podcast about you know whatever, given satanic you know, child trafficking,
Speaker 2: you know, group whatever, and I'll be like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna listen to a podcast on the lore
Speaker 2: of have to miss prime or something like like I
Speaker 2: don't think a break, Yeah, like what who are the
Speaker 2: gods of Let's find out about Unicron? Like you know,
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask if there's anything you nerd out
Speaker 1: on or because I do that occasionally too, Like I'll like,
Speaker 1: I don't it's not part of my daily listening routine,
Speaker 1: but sometimes when I just need to like just do
Speaker 1: something fun and I like and obviously I'm very religious,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean I like I all my spare
Speaker 1: time has to be that, like I obviously think we.
Speaker 2: Can do you find yourself getting sucked into stuff? Do
Speaker 2: you find yourself getting sucked into random lore of different
Speaker 2: video games, fantasy worlds, whatever? Because like, well, I'll just
Speaker 2: that that's I think that's actually truly.
Speaker 3: How my body copes. But the weird how my head cope.
Speaker 2: But the weird thing is, it's like it's not even
Speaker 2: like my brain's taking a break. It's just that I'm
Speaker 2: doing the same exact type of analytical thinking and but
Speaker 2: then just now applying it to made up situations because
Speaker 2: I'm like, now I'm like learning about all the different
Speaker 2: races and Halo and how they interact and the history
Speaker 2: of this world and that world. But it's like, I
Speaker 2: guess maybe because you're like there's no stakes because it's
Speaker 2: made up, you can have more fun with it exactly.
Speaker 2: But but either way, I'm still doing that. I'm still
Speaker 2: it's weird that like that's where my button. My mind
Speaker 2: will every now and then go to escape and I'll
Speaker 2: just get sucked into like I don't know, what's the
Speaker 2: what's the history of he man in that universe like
Speaker 2: or whatever the given thing is, and I'll just I'll
Speaker 2: find a YouTube video and just be like, huh, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I didn't know their.
Speaker 2: Deity it was like this or or the oh they're there,
Speaker 2: or how this is how their you know, imaginary world
Speaker 2: is constructed. Like uh, yeah, that's just that's how my
Speaker 2: brain operates. That's I guess that's That's probably the real
Speaker 2: answer of how I take breaks from dark stuff is
Speaker 2: my mind will just kind of naturally without me even
Speaker 2: meaning to just send me down some other more whimsical
Speaker 2: rabbit hole that doesn't have actual real dark steaks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, oops, about to hit me stuff can't. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what I do. Is like it's
Speaker 1: just like it's you're still doing like theory and analytics,
Speaker 1: but it's just like it. And what's funny is that
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like the reverse. Sometimes when I'm doing theory
Speaker 1: analytics a real world I'll be like, man, this would
Speaker 1: almost be fun if it wasn't real, right, Like, sometimes
Speaker 1: you're kind of like you're like looking at how big
Speaker 1: the conspiracy is of real world stuff. You're just like, man,
Speaker 1: I can almost get like like nerdy excited about this
Speaker 1: if it wasn't like, oh, like you know, these are
Speaker 1: like you know, the implications are there's actually hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of people dead or dying or being subjugated or
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So that's why it's what I think,
Speaker 1: it's a good outlet sometimes to kind of go deep
Speaker 1: into the lore, like I think everything I've not like
Speaker 1: on Star Wars, I've done it on books I've read
Speaker 1: and stuff like I did. I had like a long
Speaker 1: listening to like the lore of like the Hunger Games books,
Speaker 1: because it has like some cross over like like like
Speaker 1: political dystopian stuff of like you know, sort of like
Speaker 1: a post democratic society and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there is like a sick thing too, as well.
Speaker 2: I think there's something too the idea of how you
Speaker 2: were kind of getting at how like sometimes these can
Speaker 2: almost be fun and the same idea to where and
Speaker 2: to some extent, I guess that's like probably sort of
Speaker 2: a good thing if you can make it fun. You
Speaker 2: learning about the different things. This is how you you know,
Speaker 2: you can dig deeper. But it is like you do
Speaker 2: have to sometimes remind yourself. You're like, oh crap, this
Speaker 2: is real. There are real stakes, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like the example I gave up earlier of like and
Speaker 2: I've been reading, like you know, deeply on my morning
Speaker 2: streams about these about like the du Treux affair or whatever,
Speaker 2: like learning about that, like I was like a child
Speaker 2: trafficking ring that's connections to Gladio And then there seems
Speaker 2: to be satanic net like satanic you know, ritual abuse
Speaker 2: connections and all sorts of craziness and you're like, holy crap,
Speaker 2: but it's just so cool, like the intrigue of it,
Speaker 2: and like you're like that's wild, like no way, like
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, look at this document.
Speaker 3: Look at that document.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh god, this is connected to this stay
Speaker 2: behind unit that clearly was, you know, perpetrating false flags
Speaker 2: and make it look like communists were doing stuff when
Speaker 2: they weren't. And you're like and then then you have
Speaker 2: to remind yourself like, oh wait, there's like literally like
Speaker 2: like there's like in these dossier's that I'm reading, these
Speaker 2: there are literally like with these are victims that are
Speaker 2: like recalling their specific like things that happened to them,
Speaker 2: and like the they're incredibly heinous and these are things
Speaker 2: that likely it's you know, I mean this is completely
Speaker 2: all made up by the FEDS to give us you know,
Speaker 2: pretend little game. It's like this happened to real people,
Speaker 2: and uh, I don't know. There's something too that I
Speaker 2: think you can't to have a healthy awareness of it
Speaker 2: so you don't get caught up in it and get
Speaker 2: like kind of I don't know, it's because there's almost
Speaker 2: like a not that you're like exploiting it, but like
Speaker 2: you just get get caught up in it, like you're
Speaker 2: like having fun with it and you're like, yeah, there's
Speaker 2: real people here, you know.
Speaker 1: Yet it's tough. I mean, the the one hand, you
Speaker 1: don't want to like drink so deeply of the true
Speaker 1: like scale of the horror of the stuff we cover
Speaker 1: sometimes to just like you know, you need to make
Speaker 1: yourself just totally depressed. But on the other hand, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you don't want to completely like turn it off, and
Speaker 1: you kind of need that. Like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: struggle with finding that balance of like I want to
Speaker 1: I want to analyze things and be objective and not
Speaker 1: emotionally biased. But then I'm like, I don't, Like, we
Speaker 1: have emotions for a reason. Like so if I'm getting
Speaker 1: pissed off when I'm reading about what's happening in Gaza,
Speaker 1: ever getting pissed off when I'm you know, reading about
Speaker 1: that stuff that's happening in uh, you know, Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 1: I'm reading through Scott's new book Provoked. It's just like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, as long as it's not all
Speaker 1: emotion that's driving me, Like you know, if your emotions
Speaker 1: are just driving you to care more about the truth,
Speaker 1: then I think that's a good thing. There's also probably
Speaker 1: something on like the whole lore thing, Like there's probably
Speaker 1: a psychological correlation there for like, because you know, like
Speaker 1: some people will like read fiction, whether it's books, movies,
Speaker 1: video games, and like turn their brain off and they
Speaker 1: don't get They don't get animated by like, oh, this
Speaker 1: broke the lore or this is inconsistent with this the
Speaker 1: like this fictional world or universe or whatnot, or this character.
Speaker 1: They're just like I don't care. I just want to
Speaker 1: be entertained and just turn my brain off and watch this.
Speaker 1: And there's probably something useful about those who like care
Speaker 1: about consistency and fictional worlds that like it means that
Speaker 1: like they they have the tool set to look for consistency,
Speaker 1: and if they don't see consistency in those fictional worlds,
Speaker 1: they call it out. And that same skill set probably
Speaker 1: comes to bear for like people like you and me
Speaker 1: when bryannalyzing real world events will be like hold on,
Speaker 1: like the narrative that's being sold here actually doesn't match
Speaker 1: with like the facts on the ground, or like their
Speaker 1: narratives are clashing and don't make sense, and so that
Speaker 1: that kind of like raises the because like seeing the
Speaker 1: code in the matrix, right, you're like, Okay, that's a glitch,
Speaker 1: so I know I need to go look at I
Speaker 1: think that mean where it's just like I don't even
Speaker 1: see the code anymore. I just see you know, false
Speaker 1: flag sy op propaganda stuff like that from the from
Speaker 1: the Matrix movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's probably something.
Speaker 2: There's just kind of the same idea when you get
Speaker 2: really sucked into the lore of something, where you can
Speaker 2: start almost being able to read the language of your like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I bet this thing happened that way, and I bet
Speaker 2: you these characters interact with these characters this way, and
Speaker 2: I can surmise about the ancient history of this race
Speaker 2: because I already have this context information and these are
Speaker 2: all things you do pick up with with with getting
Speaker 2: more in touch with this world. But uh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: totally hit a point, but I forgot.
Speaker 3: By the way.
Speaker 2: I just realized I have god awful signal, don't I.
Speaker 2: I just I'm seeing it on my side. It looks
Speaker 2: really grainy. I'm not coming over bad audio wise. Usually
Speaker 2: I moved the router closer, but I was lazy and
Speaker 2: I was like, I think I'll be fine and not
Speaker 2: moved this time. So apology's there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's a little I can hear you fine,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a little rough. There was one point
Speaker 1: where it glitched out though, and you were like talking slow,
Speaker 1: and then Streamyard decided to like catch up all at
Speaker 1: once and then then so then you spoke at like
Speaker 1: three three times speed for about ten seconds on high
Speaker 1: end until it caught up. So but it's been fine
Speaker 1: since then.
Speaker 4: Okay, I am.
Speaker 1: We've talked about like religion and stuff before a little bit.
Speaker 1: I know you were raised in like a conservative Christian
Speaker 1: household and then kind of like, uh fell away from
Speaker 1: it with that like a gradual thing. Was there like
Speaker 1: one thing that that that led to that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too too personal if that's
Speaker 1: if that's like you know.
Speaker 4: Off limits or anything.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, if we ever just seems like
Speaker 1: something that'll be interesting to talk about just sort of
Speaker 1: your what what led you out of the upbringing you had?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it was just kind of gradual
Speaker 2: just over time, just kind of like I just was
Speaker 2: one of the things I slipped away from. I just
Speaker 2: wasn't going to church as much. You know, I was
Speaker 2: a young adult. I'd say probably around the time like
Speaker 2: I left the house kind of around that time. It
Speaker 2: is probably really and you know I really just wasn't
Speaker 2: doing anything, you know, church wise, so I did kind
Speaker 2: of just I guess you could say slip away, but
Speaker 2: I also kind of had a renewed interest and just
Speaker 2: kind of at one point just was wanting to look
Speaker 2: into it, reevaluate things I had thought about before, because
Speaker 2: I'd never really looked at it like in a critical
Speaker 2: way growing up, because a lot of stuff was just
Speaker 2: stuff that I just accepted on critically, you know, same
Speaker 2: thing with like my politics and stuff when I was younger.
Speaker 2: These were things I just never really thought about. So
Speaker 2: then I just kind of started reevaluating you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of things I thought about, and that was one
Speaker 2: of them that kind of hit the shopping block, and
Speaker 2: I kind of I struggled with for probably years, just
Speaker 2: kind of like thinking about different logical this or that,
Speaker 2: and that just kind of came to the point where
Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean, I yeah, I definitely went through
Speaker 2: my like angry Reddit atheist phase.
Speaker 3: But I kind of went out of it.
Speaker 2: Now I'm like kind of just at the point to
Speaker 2: where I just I don't know whether there is or
Speaker 2: isn't a god, but I don't necessarily believe in one.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't be astounded if I found out
Speaker 2: there was like a supreme deity of some sort, but
Speaker 2: just there's been nothing that's really led me to believe
Speaker 2: in one specific take on it or the other. Yeah, So,
Speaker 2: like if if you were to say, like, do you
Speaker 2: believe in God? And like, I don't know, I guess
Speaker 2: I could guess what define what you mean by that? Like,
Speaker 2: but like if if you're saying some vague superpower, maybe,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, even then I'm kind of
Speaker 2: like maybe, And now you want me to get down
Speaker 2: to nailing down a specific religion's take on it. Like,
Speaker 2: so that's that's kind of where I am. I just
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, obviously, as I've mentioned already,
Speaker 2: I've gotten really into the the digging into in the
Speaker 2: parapological world, where I mean, it's hard not to get
Speaker 2: sucked into it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's almost like the schizophrenia learning you in in the
Speaker 2: parapolitical world, where you start, you know, learning about the
Speaker 2: child trafficking networks, you start learning about, oh wow, look
Speaker 2: at all these elites that seem to always be linked
Speaker 2: into them, and you start following those breadcumbs and then
Speaker 2: you start finding out about like where are all these
Speaker 2: like Satanic or you know, I guess it's and even
Speaker 2: that's not the greatest, like word to use for it,
Speaker 2: Like you know, all this like whatever this other thing is,
Speaker 2: it's going on behind the scenes, that's heinous, awful things.
Speaker 3: What is this?
Speaker 2: And so there is something to that where you go.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can understand how people some people say, oh,
Speaker 2: that makes me believe in God more. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: guess I get that. But like I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: I could say that I believe there are people who
Speaker 2: believe in some sort of ultimate evil. I can tell
Speaker 2: you that. I mean, no, does that mean that ultimate
Speaker 2: evil exists? I don't know. I mean at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, like in a certain sense, like whether
Speaker 2: they believe it is or not, their belief kind of
Speaker 2: gives it its existence, Like they're essentially, you know, breathing
Speaker 2: into this world that evil. So like you know, whether
Speaker 2: there's some entity behind it, whether you want to say
Speaker 2: it's a spirit in the sense of a literal spirit
Speaker 2: or just a spirit and like an idea or a
Speaker 2: or a feeling that takes over someone or something, then yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, that is one that does
Speaker 2: kind of make you question reality, like what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Like the level of depravity that we're talking about when
Speaker 2: you get into those types of things of what's going on.
Speaker 2: When you start learning about how it seems certain elites
Speaker 2: may you know, literally forge their you know, essentially contracts
Speaker 2: in the blood of children, You're like, holy crap, what
Speaker 2: is going on here? Like, you know, there's clearly some
Speaker 2: sort of religious elements at play, and you're like, maybe
Speaker 2: there is a devil.
Speaker 3: I don't know, or the very least there are people.
Speaker 2: Who believe in a devil, or there are people who
Speaker 2: exploit the belief in a devil, or some combination of
Speaker 2: the two. I don't know, But I mean at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, like you do, once you start
Speaker 2: understanding these methods, you do realize, like they do, while
Speaker 2: it is awful and unthinkable for people like us, you
Speaker 2: realize the use, like the pragmatic application of these heinous things,
Speaker 2: and how they could be used to power. Essentially a
Speaker 2: religion of power, Like that's what Alistair Crowley himself and
Speaker 2: my opinion, was kind of describing with his idea of
Speaker 2: Thelema is kind of a religion of power. Like if
Speaker 2: you break it down, it's a lot of it is,
Speaker 2: like kind of speaking the same, it's a lot of
Speaker 2: his stuff was essentially just an esoteric woo woo language
Speaker 2: for the same thing that like intelligence agencies will describe
Speaker 2: to you of like how they pull deep events or
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So it's like I don't know, the
Speaker 2: the the the the veil between magic and intel or
Speaker 2: or evil and elite, I don't know. It can leave
Speaker 2: you kind of gasping for air for sanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that makes sense. Do you ever,
Speaker 1: like because I could almost see arguments for both sides,
Speaker 1: And I struggled with this myself when people are like,
Speaker 1: can you define God for me? And like, on one hand,
Speaker 1: I feel like when you, like, the more specific you
Speaker 1: describe God, obviously that like would logically seem to be like, well,
Speaker 1: now you need more burden a proof. But then it
Speaker 1: almost seems like you have another problem in the opposite end,
Speaker 1: where like if you generalize like oh, God is just
Speaker 1: like you know, the spirit of the universe, or like
Speaker 1: you get like real like ungrounded, then it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like that's so vague, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like you wouldn't need to really provide any
Speaker 1: evidence for it if you just make it so vague.
Speaker 1: So there's something there where it's like that's why I like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I try to stay in my lane, Like
Speaker 1: I know, I used to try to get more into
Speaker 1: like apologetic and I I know enough to like dabble
Speaker 1: in it, but it's definitely not my uh it's not
Speaker 1: my lane, so to speak, because I think it's there's
Speaker 1: some people who are really good at making those arguments.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, it's like there are I
Speaker 1: think we've had talks about this in the past, like
Speaker 1: you know, I think back up more on my Daniel
Speaker 1: three on the Daniel three podcasts where it's like I've
Speaker 1: always felt like if if someone hasn't had faith, it's
Speaker 1: like I don't know how to argue them into it.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Like it's like that seems like
Speaker 1: it just has to be a personal thing that you
Speaker 1: would just have to like in your own heart. And
Speaker 1: I think it's what the Mible teaches. It's just like
Speaker 1: you just have to like come to that on your own.
Speaker 1: Like I could provide you even logical arguments for why
Speaker 1: God might exist or it might maybe probable that God exists,
Speaker 1: but like unless you can like really make it absolute,
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's not going to be enough to like.
Speaker 4: Compelling.
Speaker 1: But I guess you would at least, you know, I
Speaker 1: think I agree with you that, like there has to
Speaker 1: be at least something about how much evil there is
Speaker 1: in the world that at least leaves you open to
Speaker 1: the idea of like, okay, like yeah, if there's really
Speaker 1: like this weird, pernicious evil in the world, like lend
Speaker 1: some plausibility to the idea that maybe there's spiritual forces
Speaker 1: of good and evil at play to to some extent,
Speaker 1: even though that's again, like it's not an argument, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like a an obviousation, like.
Speaker 2: We could It's just that we could literally live in
Speaker 2: a completely materialistic world and that still completely comport to
Speaker 2: reality for those things to be the case for uh,
Speaker 2: these elites to act in the same exact way, uh,
Speaker 2: and therefore even there to be essentially a religion of
Speaker 2: the elite, a religion of the of the you know,
Speaker 2: the the tippy top, the powerful, the religion of power.
Speaker 2: There it may still behoove them to have a belief
Speaker 2: system that's to some degree some people believe, or some
Speaker 2: degree some people you know, behave as though they believe
Speaker 2: because there's power to be exploited from it. Uh, so
Speaker 2: that's kind of like I guess just from a you know,
Speaker 2: how it operates, it would make sense for it to
Speaker 2: exist whether or not there is or isn't a you know,
Speaker 2: a higher or lower power.
Speaker 3: So it is like I mean, it is.
Speaker 2: It is one that like it's a fun one to
Speaker 2: wrap your head around because you're like, especially once you've
Speaker 2: looked at the evil they've done, You're like, and how
Speaker 2: they're purporting to do it to usually some sort of
Speaker 2: evil entities. You're like, I mean, if there are like
Speaker 2: demons to be called forth, you guys would have called
Speaker 2: them forth already. So like, I don't know, maybe there
Speaker 2: is something to it, Like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I guess I don't know. I have my
Speaker 1: own biases, I have to admit on this. I always
Speaker 1: felt like, if there isn't good and evil and it's
Speaker 1: just materialism, like I don't know, like it, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: expect people to be angels, but it seem weird that
Speaker 1: there'd be people that go down those super dark roads
Speaker 1: to that extent, right, Like I don't know, I do
Speaker 1: find it, and this is like what's tough, Like I
Speaker 1: obviously believe Christianity is compatible with libertarianism. But I think
Speaker 1: one of the tough to swallow pills on my end
Speaker 1: is that it like the more I study the Bible,
Speaker 1: the more I study like eschatology and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: it's like the less I am convinced that a libertarian
Speaker 1: society is possible. And it's tough because I don't What
Speaker 1: I don't want to say is the whole like, well,
Speaker 1: we could have liberty if people weren't evil, because that's
Speaker 1: obviously dumb like like that that just lends into the
Speaker 1: classical libertary critique of like, well, if people are evil,
Speaker 1: don't put evil people in charge of people, right, Like
Speaker 1: That's that's not an argument against libertarianism. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of more like I don't have faith that will ever
Speaker 1: be able to effectively correct for the fallen condition a
Speaker 1: man where we move society away from some form of statism.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you land on that. As you've
Speaker 1: like gone down your journey of you know, reading more
Speaker 1: libertarian as theory and maturing as a libertarian, it's like
Speaker 1: I still believe in it as much as I used
Speaker 1: to in terms of like the legitimacy of it, the
Speaker 1: truth of it, the logical consistency of it.
Speaker 4: I think it.
Speaker 1: I still strongly cling to that, but but I like
Speaker 1: just I'm I would say privately because I'm saying it publicly,
Speaker 1: but like I don't lead with this, but I do
Speaker 1: kind of go like I don't. I think the best
Speaker 1: we can hope for is just to kind of make
Speaker 1: things a little better. Like I don't know if ever
Speaker 1: going to have a libertarian society, let alone even like
Speaker 1: a libertarian community, Like I don't, I don't hope that.
Speaker 1: I just I'm kind of like skeptical of it.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean so far as like a ill this because
Speaker 2: there is this like thing of theory where were like
Speaker 2: you know, theoretically, you know, a system absent coercion is
Speaker 2: the most efficient, uh you know system, it's the best
Speaker 2: system every you know, it's best for everyone. So you know, theoretically,
Speaker 2: you know this should be what over time, whatever time
Speaker 2: presents itself. But there is also there's another issue. There's
Speaker 2: the flip side where the you know, was it the
Speaker 2: Werewolf game? You know, where you know they've they've found
Speaker 2: ways to what like it's a game that people play,
Speaker 2: I forget how the rules are played but the idea
Speaker 2: of the game itself is like, uh, you're supposed to
Speaker 2: I forget the specific. So essentially the idea is there's
Speaker 2: one person or two people I forget that are supposedly
Speaker 2: wear wolves in this this game you play and then
Speaker 2: you all close your eyes and you have one person
Speaker 2: who is a were wolf, and it's kind of like
Speaker 2: you know, Duc Dot Goose, you kind of run around.
Speaker 2: I think you have to pick someone and you know.
Speaker 2: Essentially throughout the whole idea is that the if you
Speaker 2: don't know who the person is, like if you if
Speaker 2: you're if if information is is conie, you're far. It's
Speaker 2: like there's there's a small elite can essentially coerce a
Speaker 2: much larger group or could control a much larger group
Speaker 2: based on information just from information warfare. The idea that
Speaker 2: if there's two werewolves that people don't even know who
Speaker 2: these werewolves are, and these werewolves are able to work
Speaker 2: together and share knowledge and keep knowledge from others, they
Speaker 2: can control a much smaller group. So it is like,
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's these two competing forces and
Speaker 2: I don't really know who wins. I mean, really other
Speaker 2: day it comes down just being vigilant. I think really
Speaker 2: all you can do is do the best for yourself
Speaker 2: and those around you. So that's kind of, I think
Speaker 2: the best thing we can really hope for. But the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it really is kind of when
Speaker 2: it comes to the theory side of things, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think we kind of probably will
Speaker 2: win out overall in the long, long, long run. But
Speaker 2: I mean, focusing in on that too much, I think
Speaker 2: you kind of miss missed the point of life. If
Speaker 2: that's really a all you're worried about is like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get a libertarian. I don't know, focus on
Speaker 2: making your own personal life the best it can be.
Speaker 2: I think you're you're missing things if you're if you're
Speaker 2: focusing in too much on that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I do think.
Speaker 2: History has been a constant, essentially race between the predator
Speaker 2: and the producer class. So it is like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, is the producer class gonna just at some
Speaker 2: point leave them in the dust? I mean, the technological
Speaker 2: game always seems to make it seem that way. They
Speaker 2: always find a way to catch up. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it is it is hard. I mean, at
Speaker 2: the day, I don't know. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, like we all we really could do is
Speaker 2: aim for better and it's really all we need to
Speaker 2: worry about. I'm not really too concerned about and being
Speaker 2: a perfect anarchist environment and like, I mean, yeah, don't
Speaker 2: be a retard, learn to work within the system, and
Speaker 2: you know, kind of have a good life, like and
Speaker 2: move towards your values.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you are some of the purports.
Speaker 2: To like like freedom, when you move towards your values,
Speaker 2: you know, move to New Hampshire or move to more
Speaker 2: rural area moved to I mean, you don't even have to.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could be someone who's like a cyberpunk
Speaker 2: who likes living in the in the city or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you can even then you can interact with the
Speaker 2: counter in the counter economy or do whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could.
Speaker 2: You can still move your life towards your values. But
Speaker 2: I think I don't know the whole idea that we're gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, have liberty in our lifetime. I think it's
Speaker 2: kind of kind of gay, honestly, Like, I just I
Speaker 2: think if you're getting too focused on that, you're gonna
Speaker 2: lose Like, but yeah, I don't think we're really gonna
Speaker 2: see any sort of perfect in our capusying in our lifetimes.
Speaker 2: But things might get better, and that's really all we
Speaker 2: can hope for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely optimistic about the better. I just feel
Speaker 1: like the progress is always so slow that I just
Speaker 1: like wonder, like if we'll ever get there. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: could I know people will compare it to like the
Speaker 1: abolition of slavery was like, on one hand, I guess
Speaker 1: we have made a lot of progress on that. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, like slavery does still exist. You still
Speaker 1: have human trafficking, So it's like although you could say,
Speaker 1: like I guess there's a lot less overt slavery in
Speaker 1: the world than there ever was, maybe we'll hit a
Speaker 1: point where like maybe like we haven't completely just like
Speaker 1: dissolved all statism, but we'll have like at least something
Speaker 1: approximating what looks like a more libertarian ish legal order.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm not like I'm not black
Speaker 1: pilled I guess I'm like more like I'm like grayish
Speaker 1: pilled on, Like I think we can make things better.
Speaker 1: I just kind of wonder, like what's the limit on it.
Speaker 1: Definitely agree like in our lifetime people who are you know,
Speaker 1: thinking it's going to be uh anytime soon? It is,
Speaker 1: it's sort of lofty. What do you make of I
Speaker 1: don't know how much. I know you don't pay too
Speaker 1: much attention to the like libertarian Twitter infighting, although you
Speaker 1: once in a while dive into it, and I know
Speaker 1: you've hosted Dave on a couple of times to get
Speaker 1: into some of the intra debates, as I've had him
Speaker 1: on to talk about that too. What do you make
Speaker 1: of like, because like I feel like you and I
Speaker 1: are really deep into theory, but there's there's some libertarians
Speaker 1: who are like so deep into theory that I feel
Speaker 1: like they have this sort of like ideological possession where
Speaker 1: like they they view their principles in a way where
Speaker 1: it's like they view it as immoral and like a
Speaker 1: violation of their principles to ever engage in the world
Speaker 1: in a way that's not like perfectly keeping with them,
Speaker 1: even if it was like you know, going to result
Speaker 1: in like a likely net good or improvement. And I
Speaker 1: don't know where they draw the line, like like obviously
Speaker 1: like they a lot of these people are like anti political,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it becomes like more criticisms of
Speaker 1: the LP and voting and stuff like that, which I
Speaker 1: guess I kind of get. I thought, if you don't
Speaker 1: think there's any utility in that, I know you've been
Speaker 1: pretty skeptical of that stuff. But then it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know where you draw the line on that were Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I know some people, like there's some
Speaker 1: people out there who I I don't.
Speaker 4: Know how serious they are.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they give me glowy energy vibes where they're just like,
Speaker 1: don't pay your taxes and uh don't uh you know,
Speaker 1: don't do don't use or consume anything that was created
Speaker 1: through the creation of like public you know, funds, because
Speaker 1: they're extored.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think know what I mean, Like they're they're there simple.
Speaker 1: It just seems to me they're they're like a certain
Speaker 1: point where like some people like they draw the line
Speaker 1: in the sand where I'm just like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you don't end up in a point of like
Speaker 1: action paralysis in life where they become with their commitment
Speaker 1: to their their like libertarian uh purity tests. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you have any thoughts on that. I've I've
Speaker 1: I've just seen it like blow up more on Twitter lately,
Speaker 1: and it's like like I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: engage with some of the people on it because it's
Speaker 1: just like I know, like we've had.
Speaker 3: Talks about like.
Speaker 1: Sterner and like how he views principles and philosophy and
Speaker 1: kind of a different light, which I've always kind of
Speaker 1: been like, I have my principles I think are like
Speaker 1: like these are true, they're useful, They're like they're what
Speaker 1: I want, but like I'm not going to I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to be committed to them to
Speaker 1: the point of like self deprecation or harm. Not my
Speaker 1: libertarian principles, my Christian principles are a little different, Like
Speaker 1: but that's that's a whole different category of of exploration.
Speaker 2: I don't particularly have any strong I don't know, I
Speaker 2: kind of know what you're getting at, but I just
Speaker 2: feel like that, honestly, that's like, uh, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just one of those things that, uh, it's not even
Speaker 2: really worth the the the the bandwidth, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I don't know that just feel like they've become to
Speaker 2: such a level of irrelevance.
Speaker 3: I don't mean that in a mean way.
Speaker 2: I just I just mean in the sense of like
Speaker 2: this discussion that continues to be tried to be brought
Speaker 2: back up of that like, hey, we want to talk
Speaker 2: about it really is just trying to slap at Dave
Speaker 2: to try to, like, hey, debate me, and you're like,
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to debate you.
Speaker 3: It's just not it's not.
Speaker 2: Even that like saying that, Like these people I know,
Speaker 2: they always want to, like Liquid Zulu, to debate Dave.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it probably be a great debate. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just don't think it really gives a shit about
Speaker 2: the fucking about the border stuff right now.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit, So I know most people
Speaker 2: don't give a shit, So why would he literally waste
Speaker 2: his time to debate this. It's just that's just kind
Speaker 2: of where I it's just not being able to read
Speaker 2: the tea leaves. It's just that no one really there's
Speaker 2: not a there's not demand for that discussion right now,
Speaker 2: so it's just kind of like cool, you can keep
Speaker 2: like bugging Dave about it, and he's gonna keep probably
Speaker 2: ignoring you and not debating you, and you're just kind
Speaker 2: of being annoying.
Speaker 3: It's about it. I mean, I don't. I don't really
Speaker 3: how much of a thought of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so far as like I'm assuming you're
Speaker 2: kind of getting to people who are like more.
Speaker 3: Open bordered or whatever, or.
Speaker 2: I guess some of the people have like critiques of
Speaker 2: you know, I guess the LPMC that, I mean, the
Speaker 2: kind of critiques that I would probably be like, that's
Speaker 2: just kind of gay like kind of where I'm coming from.
Speaker 3: But I just don't. It's just not even really worth
Speaker 3: looking at.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I have not been interested at all in
Speaker 2: any of that whatsoever. It's I guess it's very much
Speaker 2: like duck off the water's back, just kind of like
Speaker 2: what are they are? They're just bugging Dave about trying
Speaker 2: to debate. That's that's about it. I'm just like, there's
Speaker 2: nothing really and they bitch about the LPMC and how
Speaker 2: they go about doing stuff, and that's because I guess
Speaker 2: they're kind of seems to be these these people are
Speaker 2: usually kind of like me and don't really agree with
Speaker 2: LPMC much anyways, but it's always for like really gay reasons,
Speaker 2: and I'm like oh well then, but you have the
Speaker 2: gayest reasons for it. I don't know, I just it's
Speaker 2: just kind of like a non issue. I mean whatever,
Speaker 2: I mean cool. I mean, these guys don't like the LPMC,
Speaker 2: then like, okay.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's sort of like I don't care
Speaker 1: if people disagree with like an ELK strategy or the
Speaker 1: MC strategy. But it's like if you just think, like
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna work, It's like, okay, fair enough,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what they're doing right now is
Speaker 1: gonna work. I hope it does. If it doesn't, then
Speaker 1: like it doesn't you know, the cool experiment. I mean
Speaker 1: like I don't think Trump is going to deliver on
Speaker 1: all his promises, but hey, if you freeze Ross does
Speaker 1: a couple other good things, I'll be like, hey, cool.
Speaker 1: Like that's like I'm kind of I don't like, like
Speaker 1: a little me. I'm cautiously optimistic to see if maybe
Speaker 1: Elon and Vivak and then with those do anything interesting.
Speaker 1: It could also be a giant distraction and and uh
Speaker 1: not really you know, it could it could be like
Speaker 1: the utility of it is so marginal that it like
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a difference anyway, So who knows. But
Speaker 1: there's other people that are like, hey, for even trying
Speaker 1: to do this, like you've, you know, abandoned your libertarian
Speaker 1: principles and you're violating the NAP and all that. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I don't even.
Speaker 2: Oh, you mean like voting for Trump in general or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the sort of support or.
Speaker 4: Even tacit support.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that stuff just seems to me like to
Speaker 1: be like such a like uh that that's kind of
Speaker 1: more what I'm getting at, which does tie into yeah,
Speaker 1: like the Zulu criticisms of Dave, But that was what
Speaker 1: was really dumb about that was like they brought it
Speaker 1: up out of nothing, like no one's debating immigration right now,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it was like Dave
Speaker 1: is getting attacked by like the usual suspects because he
Speaker 1: talked to someone who shared, uh, a potentially anti semitic meme.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a meme that I would have shared, but like
Speaker 1: Dave's reaction with my reaction, I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like maybe this guy, I think it's like Jake Shield,
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe he's anti semitic. Maybe that means the
Speaker 1: anti Semitics but.
Speaker 3: Like pretty apt given the context.
Speaker 2: I mean, but first of all, one like it, Well
Speaker 2: it may it may pull out a strong response, right,
Speaker 2: but well.
Speaker 5: It's like, first of all, it's like point out, point
Speaker 5: out the error to me, Like, yeah, maybe it it's
Speaker 5: it's a meme that's definitely designed to provoke a reaction, right,
Speaker 5: Like Okay, but like where like explain to me where
Speaker 5: it's wrong to suggest that the Israel lobby and Zionists
Speaker 5: don't have a stranglehold on American the American government and
Speaker 5: democracy and foreign policy and all that. And second of all,
Speaker 5: like if you're gonna, you know, cry tears over a
Speaker 5: meme and when Palestinian children and families are being blown
Speaker 5: to bit you.
Speaker 3: Frankly, there's no better.
Speaker 2: There's I struggle to think of a better representation of
Speaker 2: Israel and what they're doing they've done to us, like
Speaker 2: it really struggle to think.
Speaker 3: Of a better.
Speaker 2: Literally, the the most over the top anti Semitic caricature
Speaker 2: is a perfect, a literal, perfect example of what Israel
Speaker 2: is in comparison to us as a nation. Like what
Speaker 2: they like, what you think of the most over top
Speaker 2: anti Semitic caricature, that is what they are to the
Speaker 2: United State. They they literally are the like they're they're control,
Speaker 2: they're the they're a little where they're a little shabiscoy.
Speaker 2: We fucking we do all their evil for them. They're
Speaker 2: they're like they they're all about, you know, like literally
Speaker 2: all the greasiest, disgusting, like like over the top Jewish
Speaker 2: stereotypes that people think of, Like that is like, really
Speaker 2: what is going on here? So it's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: you can be upset about it. You can be like, well,
Speaker 2: this is an anti Semitic caricature. You're like, okay, but
Speaker 2: is it wrong? I mean I'm not and I'm not
Speaker 2: even saying that's inherently because it's a country of Jewish people.
Speaker 2: But it's like, if that's the I mean, we all
Speaker 2: know the caricature that's being portrayed of the like the
Speaker 2: evil jew like, so it's like, it's real, is that
Speaker 2: in this example like perfectly? Well I might think of
Speaker 2: a better, better you know, the illustration of it, but
Speaker 2: it's pretty unclose.
Speaker 4: The response is, well, it's it all Jewish.
Speaker 1: You take it's all Jewish people, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that if it first of all, Dave the
Speaker 1: Jewish person doesn't apply to him.
Speaker 4: There's plenty.
Speaker 1: I'm a Jewish person, it doesn't apply to me. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: and I guess I'm kind of I don't know. First
Speaker 1: of all, the whole identity politics is dumbed. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know how, Like am I
Speaker 1: wider Jewish? Someone needs to tell me where I fit
Speaker 1: into the whole stupid like intersectionality map, because I don't know,
Speaker 1: just just because I like to mess with the forms
Speaker 1: and government. But anytime I have a government thing and
Speaker 1: it says to fill out your minority status or whatever,
Speaker 1: I always identify other because one it's like like, who
Speaker 1: are you to tell me what I am? If you're
Speaker 1: gonna question it?
Speaker 2: Right, and I'm gonna start putting jew just so I
Speaker 2: can get a free liability shield.
Speaker 4: I'll vouch for you.
Speaker 1: Like here's my he has my I'm Jewish, he has
Speaker 1: my my vote of confidence, and he's uh his Jewish status.
Speaker 1: But just listen, like if it doesn't apply to you,
Speaker 1: it doesn't apply to you. Just like if if it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: there are white people who are imagine if we had
Speaker 1: for like let's just imagine we had a country that
Speaker 1: was predominantly white, that had in their like constitution and
Speaker 1: charter and like ruling political party. That's like, we have
Speaker 1: to maintain our white supremacy in this nation, not ever,
Speaker 1: because we can't ever have minorities ruling over us. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, they're committing like essentially what amounts
Speaker 1: to either a genocide or a near genocide of non
Speaker 1: whites in a region that they've claimed a you know,
Speaker 1: virtual monopoly over and let the people leave.
Speaker 2: You're making Israel say it sound way cooler than has
Speaker 2: any business being.
Speaker 1: Well, like, if you were to point that out and
Speaker 1: be like, you know, like calling attention to the fact
Speaker 1: that like, you know, hey, white people being white national
Speaker 1: you know, violent white ethno nationalists is bad.
Speaker 4: And then you were just like, there's not all white people,
Speaker 4: like whatever. Then it's not all white people.
Speaker 1: It's like for the Jews who aren't Zionists, who aren't
Speaker 1: supporting Israel's you know, uh, the Zion's agenda and the
Speaker 1: slaughter of Palestinians and the American industrial military industrial complex
Speaker 1: being a world empire to a large extent to further
Speaker 1: Israel's interests in the world, then like then it doesn't
Speaker 1: apply to you, Like, but if it does, then, like
Speaker 1: you pointed out, like for a lot of Jews, it does,
Speaker 1: like that's that's just that's just facts. I know it's
Speaker 1: facts because I have Jewish family who I could say
Speaker 1: it's facts for right, like they're like to them, they're
Speaker 1: and not just like family and friends who I've had
Speaker 1: severed relationships with because of my stances, because like to them,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, if you disagree with Israel, it's just
Speaker 1: just disagreeing that, Like, hey, I don't think that the
Speaker 1: state of Israel should exist, or if it does exist,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be an exclusivist Jewish ethno state committing you know,
Speaker 1: genocide against the Palestinians. That's to them, that alone is
Speaker 1: anti Semitic. So it's like, all right, well you've you've
Speaker 1: showed me what your priorities are.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, I mean, I mean it's the truth. Unfortunately, yeah,
Speaker 3: unfortunately for sure. Yeah, you're one of the goods.
Speaker 1: I'll put that in my bio, one of one of
Speaker 1: one of the good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we gotta have at least it's always like we've
Speaker 3: got Dave, we got you. It's about it. Really that's
Speaker 3: the end of them. I think, oh boy.
Speaker 1: Well, uh that's a weird note to end on. But
Speaker 1: uh but hey no, it's like, listen, man, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you hopping on. I love what you're doing over on
Speaker 1: on your show. You've had a lot of success. They've
Speaker 1: been very very happy to see you have, and I
Speaker 1: hope that you continue to have it. If you want
Speaker 1: to tell people on my end, my audience aside, in
Speaker 1: case they don't know where they can find you before
Speaker 1: we hop off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to apologize once again for the
Speaker 2: bad reception. Next time I will move my router. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I have the No Way Jose podcast. You can find
Speaker 2: me on YouTube all the major ad pocket Chairs, Rumble
Speaker 2: as well. Lately, I've been doing probably you know, at
Speaker 2: least a few days a week, been doing morning streams.
Speaker 2: I've been calling them the Morning Dump. So those are
Speaker 2: live streams you can pop in for that. Just keep
Speaker 2: an eye out on YouTube and Rumble. I also have
Speaker 2: On Tuesdays at nine thirty, I do the nine thirty
Speaker 2: pm Eastern I do Already Dead, which is a live show,
Speaker 2: live call in show that I do with my co
Speaker 2: host Austin piccard and I also have a normal you know,
Speaker 2: the topic related No Way Jose episode that I do
Speaker 2: every week. Yeah, that's over on YouTube rumble all the
Speaker 2: major audio pocket. You can follow me on Twitter at
Speaker 2: Tara Gang Jose if you want to support me patron
Speaker 2: dot com just No Way Hose twenty twenty. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: check out my podcast. The thing probably most people know
Speaker 2: me for is my okayc stuff, so that's probably a
Speaker 2: good place where you start. I appreciate you having me on, Jacob,
Speaker 2: but it's always a pleasure hanging that with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I appreciate you do. Everyone, go support
Speaker 1: I mean I asked for a support earlier, but go
Speaker 1: support Jose's show. To Hoose's like one of two people
Speaker 1: you know in the podcast world who I have, for
Speaker 1: the most part financially supported sponsoring his show. So appreciate
Speaker 1: what you do. Man, Thanks for coming on and just
Speaker 1: you know, talk talking about random stuff for an hour.
Speaker 1: It's always a blast. Hope you guys enjoyed this. I'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow night with Adam Nutter. I mean, unfortunately
Speaker 1: I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel to find quality
Speaker 1: people to talk to there, but I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: I love Adam.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have an hour of trash talking each other,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be a lot of fun. Let me
Speaker 1: you know, guys, let me know what you think about this,
Speaker 1: this format, if you want more of this or not.
Speaker 1: I probably won't keep it under the Daniel three thing
Speaker 1: after I get to episode one hundred, but who knows.
Speaker 1: I'm free to do whatever I want. I'll free to
Speaker 1: change my mind at any point.
Speaker 4: Reserve that right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so this is episode ninety four. I'll Addam
Speaker 1: one for ninety five, and so there'll be at least
Speaker 1: another five after that then until we get back to
Speaker 1: one hundred. If you want to find me at Biblical
Speaker 1: Anarchy or go to Biblical anarchypodcast dot com. And that's
Speaker 1: all I have for you guys for tonight. So talk
Speaker 1: to you again tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Attatatatatas assasssssssss.