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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well we're live. No intro here. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a special live stream. If you guys haven't seen the

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<v Speaker 1>announcement on X I am for a limited time just

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<v Speaker 1>for a nostalge of purposes around the holiday season, something

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<v Speaker 1>I'd been thinking about doing for a while. I am

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<v Speaker 1>temporarily resurrecting the Daniel three podcast, which was my first podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, maybe it's just like an autism

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<v Speaker 1>thing where I was just like, I anted it one

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three, and I were, yeah, anteddute ninety three, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's just such a weird, dumb number

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<v Speaker 1>to end it on. And I've also thought about trying

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<v Speaker 1>to venture out of my Biblical Anarchy podcast Niche and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe start a second show that's more grab bag. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there's an experiment to see if you people want that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so to set this off, this is a little

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<v Speaker 1>limited series I'm doing down memory Lane to finish the

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<v Speaker 1>Danial three podcast. Right, I have with me a good

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine and one of the first guests I

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<v Speaker 1>ever had on I thought, actually, I think we're one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first guests on both of our show respectively. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but a Jose Gallison of No Way Jose. How you

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<v Speaker 1>doing tonight, brother doing well?

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<v Speaker 2>Pleasure to be back on the show. It has been

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<v Speaker 2>a while, but yeah, I'm pretty sure we like started

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<v Speaker 2>literally the same exact time. Hell, even your I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're using the thumbnail right now too, the one that

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<v Speaker 2>uh yes, it was made. It's like part of the

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<v Speaker 2>liberty movement thing, which was like the thing I was

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<v Speaker 2>like part of at the beginning that just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fell off. So yeah, it was it. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>forever ago, but that was like what like probably four

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<v Speaker 2>years ago now at this point, give or take, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was around twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it is exactly here. I'm gonna share my

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<v Speaker 1>screen here. Uh where is it? Appearents on no Way, Jose.

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<v Speaker 1>It was exactly yeah, four years ago according to YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh jeez, appear until no Way, Jose. Look at look

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<v Speaker 1>at those two little kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look how Jackson Tan I was, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're, you're you're trending. Uh we're trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>opposite directions. I think i've uh I've I've slimmed down

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit and uh scruffed up a little more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not in shape at all like I was then,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh, I'm getting back in shape now, I'm working

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<v Speaker 2>on it. I got I got a little bit fat,

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<v Speaker 2>little discussed myself. But uh yeah, uh yeah it is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long long road. Uh started this about four

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and now I've gotten to the point to

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<v Speaker 2>where it's a sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of profitable side gig. So hey, here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We are.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't complain.

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<v Speaker 1>We are C slash B level tier libertarian podcasters who

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<v Speaker 1>make a side living podcasting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm at the point where I think I like

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<v Speaker 2>to put in brass rooms. I make like basically a

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<v Speaker 2>quarter uh podcasting in a day, do what I would

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<v Speaker 2>like my real job. So it's like it's like almost

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<v Speaker 2>that like borderline, like should I just quit my job?

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<v Speaker 2>Like no, I need to be more like a half

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<v Speaker 2>and then I can say fuck my job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, could you know, like if you quit, you could

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<v Speaker 1>scale up, but like you need to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of count on that and project it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have privately for me too, kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a number i'd want to be at. And even then

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<v Speaker 1>i'd probably just cut down to part time and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>feel it out for a while before I completely did it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm also just I'm more risk adverse. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>just the way I am.

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<v Speaker 2>The uh well, yeah, I mean when you got family,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just be risking it all all the time. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>because I keep trying to tell be like want to

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<v Speaker 2>just like sit my wife time, but like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you understand like it. But if I like stream

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<v Speaker 2>every single day, I'll just really nail the algo and

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<v Speaker 2>like we'll be doing like all right and not too

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<v Speaker 2>long because they just sound like a crazy person, like

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<v Speaker 2>some husband trying to convince his wife. They're like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just telling you, like no, my my, my garage band

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<v Speaker 2>is really gonna take it off you. But I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when you already are seeing the money though, you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>the money's there, So theoretically if we just upscale the volume,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a you.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to make sure things are solid for the family

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what matters the most at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well, speaking of money and making sure that podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>are lucrative, I guess even though I'm here on the

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel three podcast, I'm just gonna do a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of grifting for my LCI side, just to remind people

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<v Speaker 1>this is our end of the year fundraising push. We're

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<v Speaker 1>trying we have a we have a fifteen thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>matching grant right now to try to really expand what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing next year, which not only is about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously paying all of us a little more hopefully so

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<v Speaker 1>we can do more. That's the idea is like if

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<v Speaker 1>we get if we have more money, we can pay

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<v Speaker 1>our creators more, create more content. But it's also about

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<v Speaker 1>trying to just on the podcasting side. We have like

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<v Speaker 1>three or four books that we're working on publishing and

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<v Speaker 1>as well as more events that we're trying to attend

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can you know, make Libertarian Christian Institute

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<v Speaker 1>more of a household name so you guys can go

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<v Speaker 1>to a wrong one d there we go. I do

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<v Speaker 1>with professionally guys Libertarian Christians dot com slash donate if

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<v Speaker 1>you are so inclined to be uh generous with whatever

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<v Speaker 1>money you have left over at this time of year,

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<v Speaker 1>so appreciate that if anyone wants to see some uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look at those two little baby faced uh

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<v Speaker 1>we were it's not that long ago, but I forget

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're a little bit you're a little bit old.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thirty two. I think you're a little bit older

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<v Speaker 1>than me.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I'm like a year old than you.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing, nothing substantial, We're about the same age, roughiki or

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<v Speaker 2>take yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a I don't know, I don't know which one.

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<v Speaker 1>He's asking us to tell my hair. My hairstyle technique

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<v Speaker 1>is just take gel and do bush. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Guys know, I also take clippers and like I will

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of edge around like it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm a little bit more meticulous. Maybe that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm more like pretty uh but uh, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I do get people to make comments in my hair.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do anything too crazy. I just do. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know to say other than like a coment

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes like throw my hand through it and be

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<v Speaker 2>like that looks cool and I'll walk away.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually spent more time it like I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>grow the hair out a little bit more. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also, for the first time really ever, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to grow the beard out, which is a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a pain. I've finally gotten past the point where it

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<v Speaker 4>A little bit of length to it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm I'm I mean, hopefully I don't lose subscribers

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<v Speaker 1>for this, but I am Jewish, So the struggle is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get the hair to actually just grow down

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<v Speaker 1>and not just jew fro all the curls and stuff

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<v Speaker 4>So I have to do I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to like get do little trims and get beard

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<v Speaker 4>But uh, my.

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<v Speaker 1>sees their lead uh singer John Cooper his hair style

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<v Speaker 1>and beard style and like, Dad, you should do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm I'm trying to live live, uh live

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<v Speaker 1>my nine year old son's dream for him.

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<v Speaker 2>So one day he too will be able to grow

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<v Speaker 2>a relatively semi decent beard. Yeah, I'm not quite there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe one of these days I'll grow up. My

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<v Speaker 2>ship doesn't connect quite like I'd like it too, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh yeah, I mean it's a it's better than

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<v Speaker 2>what I was dealing with back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they would think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was still active duty of that time,

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<v Speaker 2>so I probably was literally having to shave every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>So things have changed along a lot since then. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>in more ways, than one for our shows, our jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of things the world. Uh, I mean we're

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<v Speaker 2>living in crazy times, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and so like we've we both have evolved our

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<v Speaker 1>not just our podcasts but our branding over time. And

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<v Speaker 1>listeners has improved. Although I still get a little nostalgic

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes for the old days when it was like we

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't know, like a little bit more. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think unhinged or experimental like I used to love your

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<v Speaker 1>like your first intro with the the dancing WAYFU and

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<v Speaker 1>the money printers and all that. Like any time I'd

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<v Speaker 1>play that at work is just like, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>all my speakers rather than my my AirPod. You just

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<v Speaker 1>get people looking over like, what the hell was that.

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<v Speaker 4>Kay listening to? We had the same guy do our intros.

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<v Speaker 4>That was crap.

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<v Speaker 3>What was his Campbell?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Justin Campbell Cambell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I couldn't find my my original intro. But I

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<v Speaker 1>I what I did was just to show people that

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<v Speaker 1>I again going down, going down, nostalgia lane. Here I

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<v Speaker 1>went and found just like the last episode where I

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<v Speaker 4>To that was pretty decent. I mean, yeah, a.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it just goes crazy. So that was it

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<v Speaker 2>Mine just went Mine just went straight action, right, Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you had like the lobby stuff, like that's what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like the lobby vibe, like we're waiting, yeah, flicking

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<v Speaker 2>still haven't even figured out how to do lobby stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and now, especially now that I'm doing more streams now,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to figure it out. Kind of If anyone

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<v Speaker 2>seen Timeline Cleanse how Raven does his how he has

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<v Speaker 2>like the nice lobby little setup. I need to get

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<v Speaker 2>good at producing on the end of things for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's a lot of channels out there that do

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<v Speaker 1>a good job with that. I've just stuck to the

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<v Speaker 1>I have a shorter intro now and I just have

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<v Speaker 1>a custom made time or I don't use the stream

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<v Speaker 1>with people there and you're not just talking to no

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<v Speaker 1>one at the very very beginning. But I used to

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<v Speaker 1>get I think towards the end. Sometimes I get complaints

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is like, you know what, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, like I feel like it's just

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the the newer stuff, the Elsie, the libertarian Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Institute stuff that you're doing. Now obviously it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I did kind of make a point from

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<v Speaker 2>in theory show. But even then I left it open

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<v Speaker 2>time become a para politics show to where I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even necessarily like really that into theory anymore. Like I'll

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<v Speaker 2>But I've kind of moved past that and gotten to

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<v Speaker 2>like things of that nature. That's kind of where I

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<v Speaker 2>I like that I stuck with no. I mean, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's just that's I just I don't really want to

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<v Speaker 3>Now, but I'm not willing to commit to that.

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<v Speaker 2>My add will set in at some point and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>I'll end up finishing my Democracy The God that Fails

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<v Speaker 2>a series with Toad, you know, But for now, I

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<v Speaker 2>Like even my new morning Dump show that I've been doing,

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<v Speaker 2>the day that I'm like I've kind of hand selected through,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a it's worthwhile. Like if you are only doing

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<v Speaker 2>like say Christian libertarian content, it would be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess for me it's partly that Like on

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<v Speaker 1>listen to straight theory all day. Sometimes I just need

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<v Speaker 1>listen to it because it's just the topic is is

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<v Speaker 1>like that, whereas long form conversations that are more casual

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<v Speaker 1>like this or you know just kind of like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>different than like when you're doing your actual the deep

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel three podcast was like me exploring things, learning things,

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<v Speaker 4>For people.

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<v Speaker 1>That happened around the same time I ran into LCI

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<v Speaker 2>that time in the gym. So just working that muscle

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<v Speaker 2>of being able to just talk on your own is

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of a hard skill because it's an I mean,

427
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<v Speaker 2>there are people who are really but there aren't really

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<v Speaker 2>great interviewers but are good at doing like solo stuff,

429
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<v Speaker 2>and then there's the vice versa. There are different things.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still, at least for me, I've always found

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<v Speaker 2>doing the solo things to be harder. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe other people will have feeled differently, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just point being as I do think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>something worth working on because it's I feel like for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it was always pretty easy to kind of like find

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<v Speaker 2>a topic I want to talk about, try to find

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<v Speaker 2>a guess and have a discussion, whereas like trying to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do that on my own is a whole other.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing because I'm able to kind of outfind someone who

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<v Speaker 2>knows the subject, as opposed to trying to find subjects

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<v Speaker 2>that I can cover myself or trying to find a

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<v Speaker 2>way to cover it in a entertainment entertaining or intelligible

443
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<v Speaker 2>way is a hard skill to develop, really, so I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had to work at it. I think probably

445
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<v Speaker 1>like the first twenty episodes of the Biblical Anarchy podcast

446
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<v Speaker 1>when it was mostly solo stuff was a little like

447
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<v Speaker 1>I go back and listen to them, and they're a

448
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<v Speaker 1>little too scripted, and I kind of had to find

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<v Speaker 1>the sweet spot where like I had researched what I

450
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<v Speaker 1>was going to talk about, and I had like an outline,

451
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<v Speaker 1>but I could kind of just riff more extemporaneously rather

452
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<v Speaker 1>than just like reading it line for line word for word,

453
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<v Speaker 1>although it just depends on the topic because sometimes it's

454
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<v Speaker 1>just stuff is so mechanical that like it's kind of

455
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<v Speaker 1>like you do need to sort of like to be

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<v Speaker 1>succinct about it and clear about it. You do want

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe read something you wrote out before to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of make sure you get your point across. So it

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<v Speaker 1>just it does depend. There's pros and cons to both.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, like on one hand, like these episodes are easy,

461
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<v Speaker 1>like we just kind of like I was like, hey,

462
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<v Speaker 1>I want to do this, made a post tagged you.

463
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<v Speaker 1>You'd like, hey, what you're down, and so it's like,

464
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<v Speaker 1>you know, the prep work I did I did for

465
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<v Speaker 1>this was making the graphics, the artwork, you know, creating

466
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<v Speaker 1>the stream and then looking up those two episodes just

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of like present as a fun, cool thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's it. So you don't have to and that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Like just as much as I think conversations like this

470
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<v Speaker 1>are easier to listen to and sometimes more enjoyable, they're

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<v Speaker 1>easier to produce. And I like, I kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the freestyle for more, like I can do interviews, but

473
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<v Speaker 1>you definitely like I don't ever want to be just

474
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<v Speaker 1>an interview show, which I think, for one, like, we

475
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<v Speaker 1>have so many libertarian interview shows, you know what I mean.

476
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<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of like I don't just want to

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<v Speaker 1>be another libertarian interview show among the libertarian podcast circuit.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Like I'll interview people once in a while if it's

479
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<v Speaker 1>like someone wrote a like obviously, like I'll have Scott

480
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<v Speaker 1>on when he writes a new book or something. But

481
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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of different, right, It's not like I'm just

482
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<v Speaker 1>like bringing people on to just just that's not my

483
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<v Speaker 1>main stick I enjoy. I enjoy the theory stuff. Other

484
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<v Speaker 1>than that, I enjoy just like I don't know, like

485
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<v Speaker 1>I've always like listening to like the Joe, like the

486
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<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan podcast. Even when I'm listening to Joe talk

487
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<v Speaker 1>with someone who doesn't share my worldview, it's just like

488
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<v Speaker 1>I'm just interesting to hear people talk about things and

489
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<v Speaker 1>it's not scripted. It just kind of organically flows and go.

490
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<v Speaker 1>It can go wherever you want it to go. So no,

491
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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, I'm not Joe Rogan, So it's

492
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<v Speaker 1>like I can't just like I don't like, devote two

493
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<v Speaker 1>to three hours just talking to random people. If like,

494
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<v Speaker 1>no one's going to listen to that souse they don't

495
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<v Speaker 1>like it, So I guess it's kind of an experiment

496
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<v Speaker 1>to be like, I don't know, do people enjoy this

497
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<v Speaker 1>at all? If I If I do it, like there's

498
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<v Speaker 1>the audience that likes my other stuff, well, they also

499
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<v Speaker 1>carry over and like this, I don't know, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Frankly, if you're looking at if you're looking at the Rogan,

501
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<v Speaker 2>the rogant, I mean, not a whole lot of people

502
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<v Speaker 2>really do that, and honestly, I don't. I mean, it

503
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<v Speaker 2>is nice, it has its moments, and obviously it's like

504
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<v Speaker 2>the number one format out there, but I don't know,

505
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<v Speaker 2>I mean I don't personally aside from that, like it's

506
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<v Speaker 2>working from I don't really care for it, to be honest, like.

507
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<v Speaker 3>The very rarely I mean a Rogan. It works. Something

508
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<v Speaker 3>about Rogan makes it work.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea of taking all different guests of all

510
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<v Speaker 2>different stripes and just sitting down having like a three

511
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<v Speaker 2>hour discussion with each individual one just kind of that

512
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<v Speaker 2>meanders all over the place, not really necessarily for me

513
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<v Speaker 2>aside from the context of it like a Rogan, because

514
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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't make a lot of them interesting, and even

515
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<v Speaker 2>then like you can pick your guests, but for the

516
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<v Speaker 2>most part is kind of like I don't think that's

517
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<v Speaker 2>the format for most podcasters because for one, that's an

518
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<v Speaker 2>insane amount of time. It's like, I don't know, there's

519
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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of things restricting it. But uh, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Rogan just has a knack for bringing the

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<v Speaker 2>best out of people. But I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like going on about. I'm just just the idea

523
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<v Speaker 2>of doing that format. I mean, trying to find what

524
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<v Speaker 2>works for a podcast is kind of hard. I think

525
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<v Speaker 2>you do kind of want to find something that's like

526
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<v Speaker 2>kind of authentic for you and like, I don't know

527
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<v Speaker 2>for me, Like I just don't It wouldn't be authentic

528
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<v Speaker 2>if I had a show where I was like I

529
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<v Speaker 2>sat down with someone for three hours and read a

530
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<v Speaker 2>long because it's just like that's just not how.

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<v Speaker 3>I operate in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think Rogan is a unique person who

533
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<v Speaker 1>can go for that long, like you know what I mean,

534
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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I mean usually you get an hour into

535
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<v Speaker 1>something and you're kind of hour hour and a half

536
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<v Speaker 1>like it, And that's just a specific topic that required

537
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of length. I do think it's I think

538
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<v Speaker 1>Rogan's just like he's so he's into so many different

539
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<v Speaker 1>things and he's he's a good like natural conversationalist and

540
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<v Speaker 1>interviewer that he can make most people interesting for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. Although you know, sometimes like he have you

542
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<v Speaker 1>ever watched when he had Matt Walshan That was like

543
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<v Speaker 1>one of the worst Joe Rogan experiences ever. Was like

544
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<v Speaker 1>we talked, they talk about like what is a woman

545
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<v Speaker 1>for like thirty minutes and then Rogan was like, you know,

546
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<v Speaker 1>doing his normal thing, trying to bring up different stuff

547
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<v Speaker 1>and get Matt to talk about it, and then it

548
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<v Speaker 1>was just kind of like, oh, wait, no, this guy

549
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<v Speaker 1>has like no personality or interesting qualities beyond this like

550
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<v Speaker 1>documentary he made. And it was like I think, I

551
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<v Speaker 1>think it ended up being like an hour in fifteen

552
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<v Speaker 1>minute or hour and thirty minute episode, which for like

553
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<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan is like it might as well have been

554
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<v Speaker 1>like a thirty minute episode, Like that's just they're not

555
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<v Speaker 1>usually that short. So I guess it's partly like, yeah,

556
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<v Speaker 1>it's partly interview, it's partly your Style's partly who you book, right,

557
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<v Speaker 1>you gotta make sure you book interesting people that you

558
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<v Speaker 1>know can have, you know, interesting things to say for

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<v Speaker 1>at least an hour or two hours or or something

560
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<v Speaker 1>like that. And I suppose it's also like I don't know,

561
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<v Speaker 1>I guess everyone has a different interest right, Like if so,

562
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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's and I won't say I enjoy every

563
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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Joe Rogan podcast. There's plenty I listened

564
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<v Speaker 1>to that, Like, I couldn't even tell you what they

565
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<v Speaker 1>talked about. Just sometimes it's just nice to hear people bantering,

566
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<v Speaker 1>uh in the background about random, random things. But that's

567
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<v Speaker 1>that's just what I enjoy. Sometimes I like, I don't,

568
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<v Speaker 1>what do you listen to? I guess i'd be curious

569
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<v Speaker 1>to to. I don't. I don't know what you listening.

570
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<v Speaker 1>I know we both listened to part of the problem

571
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<v Speaker 1>to some extent. Put outside of that, I don't know

572
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<v Speaker 1>what you if you have like a regular listening thing

573
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<v Speaker 1>or if you've listened.

574
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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Once I started producing podcasts, I started listening to them

576
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<v Speaker 1>less just because of time and also just kind of

577
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<v Speaker 1>like I don't like something meant I can't even put

578
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<v Speaker 1>words to it. Just something sort of like mentally changed

579
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<v Speaker 1>in like my brain when I started making my own

580
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<v Speaker 1>Just like I didn't have as much interest in listening

581
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<v Speaker 1>to podcasts that were like specifically like political or libertarian ones,

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<v Speaker 1>unless I like wanted to for that specific episode or topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it definitely has changed a lot since I started

584
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<v Speaker 2>producing my own content. I don't uh, I definitely have

585
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<v Speaker 2>like I used to have more. I feel like that

586
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<v Speaker 2>we're in the rotation now. It is just like the

587
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<v Speaker 2>pretty faithfully I listen to part of the problem pretty much.

588
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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty much like so far as a political analysis.

589
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<v Speaker 2>That's probably the only show I really watch. I guess

590
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<v Speaker 2>maybe I guess you could say, uh, Clint so Liberty Lockdown.

591
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<v Speaker 3>I do that. I just to catch out as well.

592
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<v Speaker 2>Tinfoil Hat from Sam Triple I watch like most of them,

593
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<v Speaker 2>so actually not even most of them. Really, it's completely

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<v Speaker 2>just depends on what the topic is, because I mean

595
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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it does just get a little too woo woo

596
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<v Speaker 2>for me and I'm just not even interested in the topic.

597
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<v Speaker 2>And he does have a good lot of good pair

598
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<v Speaker 2>of political type stuff on there. William Ramsay, I listened

599
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<v Speaker 2>to a lot. He's a lot of really good stuff,

600
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<v Speaker 2>and he has a He's done a ton of interviews. Really,

601
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<v Speaker 2>I just have like a bunch of different people that

602
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<v Speaker 2>I follow that occasionally will drop episodes. I'm like, oh,

603
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<v Speaker 2>that's something I want to go a little little uh

604
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<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole I want to go down. But for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, yeah, it's really just kind of the only

606
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<v Speaker 2>ones I follow religiously is Clint and and Day in

607
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<v Speaker 2>the rest just kind of like you know, just whatever

608
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<v Speaker 2>it catches my ear. I also do when I'm when

609
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<v Speaker 2>I'm caught up completely on podcasts, I do a lot

610
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<v Speaker 2>of audio books. So I've been doing a lot on Ah,

611
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<v Speaker 2>I've been reading a book. I forget the book with

612
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<v Speaker 2>the audiobook I've been doing. It's one on Alan Dulles's

613
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>time in the UH, in the in the Cia and

614
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.559
<v Speaker 2>all that intrigue that goes along with him. So I

615
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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I mean it is it is really just

616
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<v Speaker 2>a kind of all over the place, and a lot

617
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<v Speaker 2>of times it depends on whatever weird little rabbit hole

618
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going down that time. It might be I'm finding

619
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<v Speaker 2>some weird niche podcasts that I'm listening to some other thing,

620
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 2>or I'm finding some YouTube video or whatever. I mean,

621
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<v Speaker 2>the type of work I have, I work with my hands.

622
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<v Speaker 2>A lot of times I'm able to listen to podcasts

623
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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like while I'm doing it. So it is like,

624
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<v Speaker 2>I mean a lot of podcasts, a lot of audio books,

625
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<v Speaker 2>so I am doing that stuff a lot. I mean,

626
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.119
<v Speaker 2>obviously I'm reading as well, so I'm still reading, Okay,

627
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.799
<v Speaker 2>see books when I have time to read, read, and

628
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<v Speaker 2>I don't really ever do music, So I know that's

629
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<v Speaker 2>just kind of where I'm a podcast why it's really

630
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<v Speaker 2>just Dave is the only thing I really listened to

631
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<v Speaker 2>keep up with the going ons of the politics world.

632
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 2>But uh, I'm very much like got my ear to

633
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<v Speaker 2>the ground on a lot of like pair of politics

634
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:14.559
<v Speaker 2>and just kind of all over the place when it

635
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<v Speaker 2>comes to that.

636
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you ever get burnt out from any of it?

637
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 1>From time to time? I have to, like, you know, every.

638
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<v Speaker 2>Once in a while, I'll have like, every once in

639
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<v Speaker 2>a while, have like a week or so where I

640
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<v Speaker 2>just like do nothing to but listen to music or something,

641
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 2>and you know, just kind of like I'll get burnt

642
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:33.880
<v Speaker 2>out to where like I've just been doing nothing but

643
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 2>being just completely straight laced and just like serious content.

644
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>And then I'll just go a week where I just

645
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<v Speaker 2>like we'll listen to music and get stoned quite a bit.

646
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 3>You know.

647
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm just like I gotta let my brain

648
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.160
<v Speaker 2>chill out.

649
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.119
<v Speaker 1>As you know, it was funny I was about to

650
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 1>ask you as as someone who's not really because like

651
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>for me as a religious person, like when I get

652
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 1>to like periods of like kind of burnout, frustration, whatnot.

653
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Like I spend time in prayer, I spend time even

654
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.279
<v Speaker 1>I've considered starting to do like religious fasts and stuff.

655
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 1>And I was gonna be like, do you have anything,

656
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.799
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, like because like I don't. I know,

657
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 1>like he's a bad example because of how Cringey is.

658
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.319
<v Speaker 1>But uh, like Sam Harris is an atheist and believes

659
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.119
<v Speaker 1>in meditation and stuff like that, So it can be like,

660
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>do you do anything? But I guess, uh, you know,

661
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I guess is uh are substance is part of that

662
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.799
<v Speaker 1>equation for you? I guess, like is that part partly

663
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 1>how you like, uh cleanse the mental palette so to speak.

664
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, not overtly.

665
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I don't really have anything particularly, I guess I

666
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>just try to have a good grip on things. I mean,

667
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>as I've gone older, most of my vices have actually

668
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 2>sort of slipped away as.

669
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 3>I've gone older.

670
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, just maybe it's just the autist in

671
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 2>me that I'll see like something like a vaping or

672
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>or drinking or you know, smoking or dipping, and it

673
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 2>just kind of just seems like a wasteful behavior, like

674
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I overanalyzed it him, like why am I doing this?

675
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

676
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And those are usually I feel like a lot of

677
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 2>those vices sometimes are the things you do lean on

678
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.519
<v Speaker 2>for for stuff like that to.

679
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:09.519
<v Speaker 3>Kind of deal with it. So I don't know.

680
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I'm just weird with weird left with weird anxious

681
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 2>energy when I have and I just kind of have

682
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>to let that, just shove that down deep until it

683
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 2>goes away. But uh, I don't know, I mean not really,

684
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't I just kind of, you know, go lift

685
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>heavyweight until sad sad sound and head go away type deal.

686
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

687
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't really ever think about my feelings really, so

688
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to be completely frank, I don't know. There,

689
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I definitely do get like, especially with a lot of

690
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I cover to where I'm like, this stuff

691
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 2>is just so dark and I just you just have

692
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>to take him in it. Sometimes sometimes it's like I'll

693
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>just go to where I'm like gonna flick on the

694
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:52.359
<v Speaker 2>podcast about you know whatever, given satanic you know, child trafficking,

695
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, group whatever, and I'll be like, you know what,

696
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna listen to a podcast on the lore

697
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:03.839
<v Speaker 2>of have to miss prime or something like like I

698
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 2>don't think a break, Yeah, like what who are the

699
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>gods of Let's find out about Unicron? Like you know,

700
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that.

701
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.519
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask if there's anything you nerd out

702
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 1>on or because I do that occasionally too, Like I'll like,

703
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't it's not part of my daily listening routine,

704
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes when I just need to like just do

705
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>something fun and I like and obviously I'm very religious,

706
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't mean I like I all my spare

707
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.400
<v Speaker 1>time has to be that, like I obviously think we.

708
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Can do you find yourself getting sucked into stuff? Do

709
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 2>you find yourself getting sucked into random lore of different

710
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 2>video games, fantasy worlds, whatever? Because like, well, I'll just

711
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that that's I think that's actually truly.

712
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 3>How my body copes. But the weird how my head cope.

713
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.000
<v Speaker 2>But the weird thing is, it's like it's not even

714
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.279
<v Speaker 2>like my brain's taking a break. It's just that I'm

715
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>doing the same exact type of analytical thinking and but

716
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.440
<v Speaker 2>then just now applying it to made up situations because

717
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, now I'm like learning about all the different

718
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>races and Halo and how they interact and the history

719
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>of this world and that world. But it's like, I

720
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>guess maybe because you're like there's no stakes because it's

721
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.760
<v Speaker 2>made up, you can have more fun with it exactly.

722
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 2>But but either way, I'm still doing that. I'm still

723
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>it's weird that like that's where my button. My mind

724
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 2>will every now and then go to escape and I'll

725
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 2>just get sucked into like I don't know, what's the

726
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 2>what's the history of he man in that universe like

727
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the given thing is, and I'll just I'll

728
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.480
<v Speaker 2>find a YouTube video and just be like, huh, that's interesting.

729
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know their.

730
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Deity it was like this or or the oh they're there,

731
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>or how this is how their you know, imaginary world

732
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:42.639
<v Speaker 2>is constructed. Like uh, yeah, that's just that's how my

733
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 2>brain operates. That's I guess that's That's probably the real

734
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.639
<v Speaker 2>answer of how I take breaks from dark stuff is

735
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.360
<v Speaker 2>my mind will just kind of naturally without me even

736
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>meaning to just send me down some other more whimsical

737
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole that doesn't have actual real dark steaks.

738
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, oops, about to hit me stuff can't. Yeah, No,

739
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's exactly what I do. Is like it's

740
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.199
<v Speaker 1>just like it's you're still doing like theory and analytics,

741
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 1>but it's just like it. And what's funny is that

742
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's like the reverse. Sometimes when I'm doing theory

743
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 1>analytics a real world I'll be like, man, this would

744
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>almost be fun if it wasn't real, right, Like, sometimes

745
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of like you're like looking at how big

746
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the conspiracy is of real world stuff. You're just like, man,

747
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 1>I can almost get like like nerdy excited about this

748
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.199
<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't like, oh, like you know, these are

749
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the implications are there's actually hundreds of

750
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 1>thousands of people dead or dying or being subjugated or

751
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera. So that's why it's what I think,

752
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 1>it's a good outlet sometimes to kind of go deep

753
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 1>into the lore, like I think everything I've not like

754
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>on Star Wars, I've done it on books I've read

755
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like I did. I had like a long

756
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 1>listening to like the lore of like the Hunger Games books,

757
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.199
<v Speaker 1>because it has like some cross over like like like

758
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Speaker 1>political dystopian stuff of like you know, sort of like

759
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>a post democratic society and whatnot.

760
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there is like a sick thing too, as well.

761
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I think there's something too the idea of how you

762
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>were kind of getting at how like sometimes these can

763
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.760
<v Speaker 2>almost be fun and the same idea to where and

764
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>to some extent, I guess that's like probably sort of

765
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.440
<v Speaker 2>a good thing if you can make it fun. You

766
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>learning about the different things. This is how you you know,

767
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>you can dig deeper. But it is like you do

768
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 2>have to sometimes remind yourself. You're like, oh crap, this

769
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.639
<v Speaker 2>is real. There are real stakes, like I don't know,

770
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 2>like the example I gave up earlier of like and

771
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.639
<v Speaker 2>I've been reading, like you know, deeply on my morning

772
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>streams about these about like the du Treux affair or whatever,

773
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.199
<v Speaker 2>like learning about that, like I was like a child

774
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>trafficking ring that's connections to Gladio And then there seems

775
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 2>to be satanic net like satanic you know, ritual abuse

776
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.280
<v Speaker 2>connections and all sorts of craziness and you're like, holy crap,

777
00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.320
<v Speaker 2>but it's just so cool, like the intrigue of it,

778
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.039
<v Speaker 2>and like you're like that's wild, like no way, like

779
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, well, look at this document.

780
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:04.599
<v Speaker 3>Look at that document.

781
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh god, this is connected to this stay

782
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 2>behind unit that clearly was, you know, perpetrating false flags

783
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:12.239
<v Speaker 2>and make it look like communists were doing stuff when

784
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 2>they weren't. And you're like and then then you have

785
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.119
<v Speaker 2>to remind yourself like, oh wait, there's like literally like

786
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.280
<v Speaker 2>like there's like in these dossier's that I'm reading, these

787
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.360
<v Speaker 2>there are literally like with these are victims that are

788
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>like recalling their specific like things that happened to them,

789
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 2>and like the they're incredibly heinous and these are things

790
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.480
<v Speaker 2>that likely it's you know, I mean this is completely

791
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>all made up by the FEDS to give us you know,

792
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.880
<v Speaker 2>pretend little game. It's like this happened to real people,

793
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 2>and uh, I don't know. There's something too that I

794
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>think you can't to have a healthy awareness of it

795
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>so you don't get caught up in it and get

796
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:48.559
<v Speaker 2>like kind of I don't know, it's because there's almost

797
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.199
<v Speaker 2>like a not that you're like exploiting it, but like

798
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>you just get get caught up in it, like you're

799
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.679
<v Speaker 2>like having fun with it and you're like, yeah, there's

800
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 2>real people here, you know.

801
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Yet it's tough. I mean, the the one hand, you

802
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to like drink so deeply of the true

803
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 1>like scale of the horror of the stuff we cover

804
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.679
<v Speaker 1>sometimes to just like you know, you need to make

805
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>yourself just totally depressed. But on the other hand, like, uh,

806
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:18.639
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to completely like turn it off, and

807
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.039
<v Speaker 1>you kind of need that. Like I don't know, I

808
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>struggle with finding that balance of like I want to

809
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to analyze things and be objective and not

810
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>emotionally biased. But then I'm like, I don't, Like, we

811
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:37.360
<v Speaker 1>have emotions for a reason. Like so if I'm getting

812
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 1>pissed off when I'm reading about what's happening in Gaza,

813
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>ever getting pissed off when I'm you know, reading about

814
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that stuff that's happening in uh, you know, Russia and Ukraine.

815
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm reading through Scott's new book Provoked. It's just like

816
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like, as long as it's not all

817
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:56.199
<v Speaker 1>emotion that's driving me, Like you know, if your emotions

818
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 1>are just driving you to care more about the truth,

819
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 1>then I think that's a good thing. There's also probably

820
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>something on like the whole lore thing, Like there's probably

821
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a psychological correlation there for like, because you know, like

822
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 1>some people will like read fiction, whether it's books, movies,

823
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.639
<v Speaker 1>video games, and like turn their brain off and they

824
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 1>don't get They don't get animated by like, oh, this

825
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>broke the lore or this is inconsistent with this the

826
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.760
<v Speaker 1>like this fictional world or universe or whatnot, or this character.

827
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 1>They're just like I don't care. I just want to

828
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.599
<v Speaker 1>be entertained and just turn my brain off and watch this.

829
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:35.519
<v Speaker 1>And there's probably something useful about those who like care

830
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 1>about consistency and fictional worlds that like it means that

831
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>like they they have the tool set to look for consistency,

832
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and if they don't see consistency in those fictional worlds,

833
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.039
<v Speaker 1>they call it out. And that same skill set probably

834
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 1>comes to bear for like people like you and me

835
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>when bryannalyzing real world events will be like hold on,

836
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.199
<v Speaker 1>like the narrative that's being sold here actually doesn't match

837
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.760
<v Speaker 1>with like the facts on the ground, or like their

838
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<v Speaker 1>narratives are clashing and don't make sense, and so that

839
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<v Speaker 1>that kind of like raises the because like seeing the

840
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<v Speaker 1>code in the matrix, right, you're like, Okay, that's a glitch,

841
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 1>so I know I need to go look at I

842
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<v Speaker 1>think that mean where it's just like I don't even

843
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:18.199
<v Speaker 1>see the code anymore. I just see you know, false

844
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 1>flag sy op propaganda stuff like that from the from

845
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:24.079
<v Speaker 1>the Matrix movie.

846
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's probably something.

847
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 2>There's just kind of the same idea when you get

848
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<v Speaker 2>really sucked into the lore of something, where you can

849
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>start almost being able to read the language of your like, oh, well,

850
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I bet this thing happened that way, and I bet

851
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 2>you these characters interact with these characters this way, and

852
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I can surmise about the ancient history of this race

853
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.199
<v Speaker 2>because I already have this context information and these are

854
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.800
<v Speaker 2>all things you do pick up with with with getting

855
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:50.159
<v Speaker 2>more in touch with this world. But uh, yeah, I

856
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 2>totally hit a point, but I forgot.

857
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 3>By the way.

858
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I just realized I have god awful signal, don't I.

859
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I just I'm seeing it on my side. It looks

860
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<v Speaker 2>really grainy. I'm not coming over bad audio wise. Usually

861
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I moved the router closer, but I was lazy and

862
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I think I'll be fine and not

863
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.599
<v Speaker 2>moved this time. So apology's there.

864
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, it's a little I can hear you fine,

865
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's a little rough. There was one point

866
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>where it glitched out though, and you were like talking slow,

867
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 1>and then Streamyard decided to like catch up all at

868
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.360
<v Speaker 1>once and then then so then you spoke at like

869
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<v Speaker 1>three three times speed for about ten seconds on high

870
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 1>end until it caught up. So but it's been fine

871
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 1>since then.

872
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I am.

873
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.800
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about like religion and stuff before a little bit.

874
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 1>I know you were raised in like a conservative Christian

875
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:42.519
<v Speaker 1>household and then kind of like, uh fell away from

876
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>it with that like a gradual thing. Was there like

877
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 1>one thing that that that led to that. I mean,

878
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get too too personal if that's

879
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:51.679
<v Speaker 1>if that's like you know.

880
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 4>Off limits or anything.

881
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, if we ever just seems like

882
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.039
<v Speaker 1>something that'll be interesting to talk about just sort of

883
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 1>your what what led you out of the upbringing you had?

884
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess it was just kind of gradual

885
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 2>just over time, just kind of like I just was

886
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.760
<v Speaker 2>one of the things I slipped away from. I just

887
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to church as much. You know, I was

888
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:14.320
<v Speaker 2>a young adult. I'd say probably around the time like

889
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 2>I left the house kind of around that time. It

890
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.559
<v Speaker 2>is probably really and you know I really just wasn't

891
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>doing anything, you know, church wise, so I did kind

892
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 2>of just I guess you could say slip away, but

893
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I also kind of had a renewed interest and just

894
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of at one point just was wanting to look

895
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.760
<v Speaker 2>into it, reevaluate things I had thought about before, because

896
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I'd never really looked at it like in a critical

897
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>way growing up, because a lot of stuff was just

898
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I just accepted on critically, you know, same

899
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.400
<v Speaker 2>thing with like my politics and stuff when I was younger.

900
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>These were things I just never really thought about. So

901
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 2>then I just kind of started reevaluating you know, a

902
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of things I thought about, and that was one

903
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 2>of them that kind of hit the shopping block, and

904
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I kind of I struggled with for probably years, just

905
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of like thinking about different logical this or that,

906
00:42:58.519 --> 00:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and that just kind of came to the point where

907
00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I mean, I yeah, I definitely went through

908
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.320
<v Speaker 2>my like angry Reddit atheist phase.

909
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.039
<v Speaker 3>But I kind of went out of it.

910
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm like kind of just at the point to

911
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 2>where I just I don't know whether there is or

912
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>isn't a god, but I don't necessarily believe in one.

913
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wouldn't be astounded if I found out

914
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.280
<v Speaker 2>there was like a supreme deity of some sort, but

915
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.039
<v Speaker 2>just there's been nothing that's really led me to believe

916
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 2>in one specific take on it or the other. Yeah, So,

917
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:29.079
<v Speaker 2>like if if you were to say, like, do you

918
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:30.639
<v Speaker 2>believe in God? And like, I don't know, I guess

919
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I could guess what define what you mean by that? Like,

920
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>but like if if you're saying some vague superpower, maybe,

921
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, even then I'm kind of

922
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>like maybe, And now you want me to get down

923
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 2>to nailing down a specific religion's take on it. Like,

924
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 2>so that's that's kind of where I am. I just

925
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, obviously, as I've mentioned already,

926
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I've gotten really into the the digging into in the

927
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 2>parapological world, where I mean, it's hard not to get

928
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.119
<v Speaker 2>sucked into it.

929
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:02.440
<v Speaker 4>You know.

930
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.000
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like the schizophrenia learning you in in the

931
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 2>parapolitical world, where you start, you know, learning about the

932
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 2>child trafficking networks, you start learning about, oh wow, look

933
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 2>at all these elites that seem to always be linked

934
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:18.679
<v Speaker 2>into them, and you start following those breadcumbs and then

935
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.719
<v Speaker 2>you start finding out about like where are all these

936
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.599
<v Speaker 2>like Satanic or you know, I guess it's and even

937
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 2>that's not the greatest, like word to use for it,

938
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, all this like whatever this other thing is,

939
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:33.800
<v Speaker 2>it's going on behind the scenes, that's heinous, awful things.

940
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:35.440
<v Speaker 3>What is this?

941
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.800
<v Speaker 2>And so there is something to that where you go.

942
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can understand how people some people say, oh,

943
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>that makes me believe in God more. I'm like, I

944
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>guess I get that. But like I mean, I guess

945
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 2>I could say that I believe there are people who

946
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 2>believe in some sort of ultimate evil. I can tell

947
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you that. I mean, no, does that mean that ultimate

948
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 2>evil exists? I don't know. I mean at the end

949
00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>of the day, like in a certain sense, like whether

950
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.719
<v Speaker 2>they believe it is or not, their belief kind of

951
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 2>gives it its existence, Like they're essentially, you know, breathing

952
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:10.280
<v Speaker 2>into this world that evil. So like you know, whether

953
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:12.639
<v Speaker 2>there's some entity behind it, whether you want to say

954
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a spirit in the sense of a literal spirit

955
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.800
<v Speaker 2>or just a spirit and like an idea or a

956
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:22.159
<v Speaker 2>or a feeling that takes over someone or something, then yeah,

957
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, that is one that does

958
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:27.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of make you question reality, like what's going on here?

959
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Like the level of depravity that we're talking about when

960
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 2>you get into those types of things of what's going on.

961
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>When you start learning about how it seems certain elites

962
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 2>may you know, literally forge their you know, essentially contracts

963
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:44.280
<v Speaker 2>in the blood of children, You're like, holy crap, what

964
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 2>is going on here? Like, you know, there's clearly some

965
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of religious elements at play, and you're like, maybe

966
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:52.800
<v Speaker 2>there is a devil.

967
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, or the very least there are people.

968
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Who believe in a devil, or there are people who

969
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.800
<v Speaker 2>exploit the belief in a devil, or some combination of

970
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.480
<v Speaker 2>the two. I don't know, But I mean at the

971
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:05.880
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, like you do, once you start

972
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 2>understanding these methods, you do realize, like they do, while

973
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it is awful and unthinkable for people like us, you

974
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 2>realize the use, like the pragmatic application of these heinous things,

975
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 2>and how they could be used to power. Essentially a

976
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 2>religion of power, Like that's what Alistair Crowley himself and

977
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, was kind of describing with his idea of

978
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Thelema is kind of a religion of power. Like if

979
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 2>you break it down, it's a lot of it is,

980
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.880
<v Speaker 2>like kind of speaking the same, it's a lot of

981
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 2>his stuff was essentially just an esoteric woo woo language

982
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 2>for the same thing that like intelligence agencies will describe

983
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to you of like how they pull deep events or

984
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. So it's like I don't know, the

985
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the the the the veil between magic and intel or

986
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 2>or evil and elite, I don't know. It can leave

987
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:03.360
<v Speaker 2>you kind of gasping for air for sanity.

988
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think that makes sense. Do you ever,

989
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.599
<v Speaker 1>like because I could almost see arguments for both sides,

990
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 1>And I struggled with this myself when people are like,

991
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>can you define God for me? And like, on one hand,

992
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like when you, like, the more specific you

993
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.559
<v Speaker 1>describe God, obviously that like would logically seem to be like, well,

994
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>now you need more burden a proof. But then it

995
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.679
<v Speaker 1>almost seems like you have another problem in the opposite end,

996
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.400
<v Speaker 1>where like if you generalize like oh, God is just

997
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the spirit of the universe, or like

998
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.320
<v Speaker 1>you get like real like ungrounded, then it's like, well,

999
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:45.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like that's so vague, Like I mean,

1000
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.559
<v Speaker 1>it seems like you wouldn't need to really provide any

1001
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 1>evidence for it if you just make it so vague.

1002
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 1>So there's something there where it's like that's why I like,

1003
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I try to stay in my lane, Like

1004
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I know, I used to try to get more into

1005
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>like apologetic and I I know enough to like dabble

1006
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 1>in it, but it's definitely not my uh it's not

1007
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 1>my lane, so to speak, because I think it's there's

1008
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>some people who are really good at making those arguments.

1009
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, it's like there are I

1010
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>think we've had talks about this in the past, like

1011
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think back up more on my Daniel

1012
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 1>three on the Daniel three podcasts where it's like I've

1013
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 1>always felt like if if someone hasn't had faith, it's

1014
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.159
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know how to argue them into it.

1015
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, Like it's like that seems like

1016
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:35.800
<v Speaker 1>it just has to be a personal thing that you

1017
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 1>would just have to like in your own heart. And

1018
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 1>I think it's what the Mible teaches. It's just like

1019
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 1>you just have to like come to that on your own.

1020
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I could provide you even logical arguments for why

1021
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.880
<v Speaker 1>God might exist or it might maybe probable that God exists,

1022
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 1>but like unless you can like really make it absolute,

1023
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:58.360
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's it's not going to be enough to like.

1024
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:00.440
<v Speaker 4>Compelling.

1025
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 1>But I guess you would at least, you know, I

1026
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:05.519
<v Speaker 1>think I agree with you that, like there has to

1027
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.559
<v Speaker 1>be at least something about how much evil there is

1028
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.719
<v Speaker 1>in the world that at least leaves you open to

1029
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:12.159
<v Speaker 1>the idea of like, okay, like yeah, if there's really

1030
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:16.480
<v Speaker 1>like this weird, pernicious evil in the world, like lend

1031
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:20.280
<v Speaker 1>some plausibility to the idea that maybe there's spiritual forces

1032
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.440
<v Speaker 1>of good and evil at play to to some extent,

1033
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 1>even though that's again, like it's not an argument, it's

1034
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.719
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like a an obviousation, like.

1035
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.280
<v Speaker 2>We could It's just that we could literally live in

1036
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.800
<v Speaker 2>a completely materialistic world and that still completely comport to

1037
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 2>reality for those things to be the case for uh,

1038
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:44.440
<v Speaker 2>these elites to act in the same exact way, uh,

1039
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 2>and therefore even there to be essentially a religion of

1040
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.400
<v Speaker 2>the elite, a religion of the of the you know,

1041
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.840
<v Speaker 2>the the tippy top, the powerful, the religion of power.

1042
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 2>There it may still behoove them to have a belief

1043
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:01.639
<v Speaker 2>system that's to some degree some people believe, or some

1044
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 2>degree some people you know, behave as though they believe

1045
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:10.000
<v Speaker 2>because there's power to be exploited from it. Uh, so

1046
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.639
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of like I guess just from a you know,

1047
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.119
<v Speaker 2>how it operates, it would make sense for it to

1048
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<v Speaker 2>exist whether or not there is or isn't a you know,

1049
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:20.159
<v Speaker 2>a higher or lower power.

1050
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 3>So it is like I mean, it is.

1051
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>It is one that like it's a fun one to

1052
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 2>wrap your head around because you're like, especially once you've

1053
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>looked at the evil they've done, You're like, and how

1054
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.800
<v Speaker 2>they're purporting to do it to usually some sort of

1055
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.320
<v Speaker 2>evil entities. You're like, I mean, if there are like

1056
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:40.000
<v Speaker 2>demons to be called forth, you guys would have called

1057
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 2>them forth already. So like, I don't know, maybe there

1058
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 2>is something to it, Like yeah.

1059
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I guess I don't know. I have my

1060
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>own biases, I have to admit on this. I always

1061
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 1>felt like, if there isn't good and evil and it's

1062
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.360
<v Speaker 1>just materialism, like I don't know, like it, you wouldn't

1063
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 1>expect people to be angels, but it seem weird that

1064
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 1>there'd be people that go down those super dark roads

1065
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:11.320
<v Speaker 1>to that extent, right, Like I don't know, I do

1066
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.519
<v Speaker 1>find it, and this is like what's tough, Like I

1067
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 1>obviously believe Christianity is compatible with libertarianism. But I think

1068
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.599
<v Speaker 1>one of the tough to swallow pills on my end

1069
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 1>is that it like the more I study the Bible,

1070
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the more I study like eschatology and stuff like that,

1071
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 1>it's like the less I am convinced that a libertarian

1072
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:33.119
<v Speaker 1>society is possible. And it's tough because I don't What

1073
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say is the whole like, well,

1074
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.079
<v Speaker 1>we could have liberty if people weren't evil, because that's

1075
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:41.840
<v Speaker 1>obviously dumb like like that that just lends into the

1076
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 1>classical libertary critique of like, well, if people are evil,

1077
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 1>don't put evil people in charge of people, right, Like

1078
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>That's that's not an argument against libertarianism. It's just kind

1079
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:53.719
<v Speaker 1>of more like I don't have faith that will ever

1080
00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:00.079
<v Speaker 1>be able to effectively correct for the fallen condition a

1081
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:06.559
<v Speaker 1>man where we move society away from some form of statism.

1082
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where you land on that. As you've

1083
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 1>like gone down your journey of you know, reading more

1084
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:17.639
<v Speaker 1>libertarian as theory and maturing as a libertarian, it's like

1085
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I still believe in it as much as I used

1086
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to in terms of like the legitimacy of it, the

1087
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.400
<v Speaker 1>truth of it, the logical consistency of it.

1088
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:27.199
<v Speaker 4>I think it.

1089
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I still strongly cling to that, but but I like

1090
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 1>just I'm I would say privately because I'm saying it publicly,

1091
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.840
<v Speaker 1>but like I don't lead with this, but I do

1092
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:42.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of go like I don't. I think the best

1093
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:43.960
<v Speaker 1>we can hope for is just to kind of make

1094
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 1>things a little better. Like I don't know if ever

1095
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:50.360
<v Speaker 1>going to have a libertarian society, let alone even like

1096
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 1>a libertarian community, Like I don't, I don't hope that.

1097
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm kind of like skeptical of it.

1098
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 3>I guess, yeah, I don't know.

1099
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean so far as like a ill this because

1100
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:02.800
<v Speaker 2>there is this like thing of theory where were like

1101
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:07.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, theoretically, you know, a system absent coercion is

1102
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the most efficient, uh you know system, it's the best

1103
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.400
<v Speaker 2>system every you know, it's best for everyone. So you know, theoretically,

1104
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 2>you know this should be what over time, whatever time

1105
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.320
<v Speaker 2>presents itself. But there is also there's another issue. There's

1106
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>the flip side where the you know, was it the

1107
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Werewolf game? You know, where you know they've they've found

1108
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 2>ways to what like it's a game that people play,

1109
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.559
<v Speaker 2>I forget how the rules are played but the idea

1110
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:36.320
<v Speaker 2>of the game itself is like, uh, you're supposed to

1111
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I forget the specific. So essentially the idea is there's

1112
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.039
<v Speaker 2>one person or two people I forget that are supposedly

1113
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 2>wear wolves in this this game you play and then

1114
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.679
<v Speaker 2>you all close your eyes and you have one person

1115
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 2>who is a were wolf, and it's kind of like

1116
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, Duc Dot Goose, you kind of run around.

1117
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 2>I think you have to pick someone and you know.

1118
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Essentially throughout the whole idea is that the if you

1119
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.679
<v Speaker 2>don't know who the person is, like if you if

1120
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>you're if if information is is conie, you're far. It's

1121
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:07.639
<v Speaker 2>like there's there's a small elite can essentially coerce a

1122
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.360
<v Speaker 2>much larger group or could control a much larger group

1123
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 2>based on information just from information warfare. The idea that

1124
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 2>if there's two werewolves that people don't even know who

1125
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.039
<v Speaker 2>these werewolves are, and these werewolves are able to work

1126
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 2>together and share knowledge and keep knowledge from others, they

1127
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.719
<v Speaker 2>can control a much smaller group. So it is like,

1128
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that that's these two competing forces and

1129
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know who wins. I mean, really other

1130
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.760
<v Speaker 2>day it comes down just being vigilant. I think really

1131
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.199
<v Speaker 2>all you can do is do the best for yourself

1132
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:40.800
<v Speaker 2>and those around you. So that's kind of, I think

1133
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the best thing we can really hope for. But the

1134
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, it really is kind of when

1135
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:47.719
<v Speaker 2>it comes to the theory side of things, I don't know.

1136
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do think we kind of probably will

1137
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 2>win out overall in the long, long, long run. But

1138
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:57.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, focusing in on that too much, I think

1139
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you kind of miss missed the point of life. If

1140
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:01.400
<v Speaker 2>that's really a all you're worried about is like, oh,

1141
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:03.960
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna get a libertarian. I don't know, focus on

1142
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.400
<v Speaker 2>making your own personal life the best it can be.

1143
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.519
<v Speaker 2>I think you're you're missing things if you're if you're

1144
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 2>focusing in too much on that.

1145
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I do think.

1146
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 2>History has been a constant, essentially race between the predator

1147
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:19.360
<v Speaker 2>and the producer class. So it is like, I don't know,

1148
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, is the producer class gonna just at some

1149
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>point leave them in the dust? I mean, the technological

1150
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.119
<v Speaker 2>game always seems to make it seem that way. They

1151
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.559
<v Speaker 2>always find a way to catch up. I mean, I

1152
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it is it is hard. I mean, at

1153
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.599
<v Speaker 2>the day, I don't know. But at the end of

1154
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:36.320
<v Speaker 2>the day, like we all we really could do is

1155
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.840
<v Speaker 2>aim for better and it's really all we need to

1156
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:40.760
<v Speaker 2>worry about. I'm not really too concerned about and being

1157
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.960
<v Speaker 2>a perfect anarchist environment and like, I mean, yeah, don't

1158
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.400
<v Speaker 2>be a retard, learn to work within the system, and

1159
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of have a good life, like and

1160
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:50.280
<v Speaker 2>move towards your values.

1161
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you are some of the purports.

1162
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:58.239
<v Speaker 2>To like like freedom, when you move towards your values,

1163
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, move to New Hampshire or move to more

1164
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 2>rural area moved to I mean, you don't even have to.

1165
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you could be someone who's like a cyberpunk

1166
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:09.039
<v Speaker 2>who likes living in the in the city or whatever.

1167
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:11.159
<v Speaker 2>But you can even then you can interact with the

1168
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 2>counter in the counter economy or do whatever.

1169
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:15.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you could.

1170
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.400
<v Speaker 2>You can still move your life towards your values. But

1171
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know the whole idea that we're gonna,

1172
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, have liberty in our lifetime. I think it's

1173
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of gay, honestly, Like, I just I

1174
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.719
<v Speaker 2>think if you're getting too focused on that, you're gonna

1175
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:33.960
<v Speaker 2>lose Like, but yeah, I don't think we're really gonna

1176
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:37.159
<v Speaker 2>see any sort of perfect in our capusying in our lifetimes.

1177
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 2>But things might get better, and that's really all we

1178
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:40.440
<v Speaker 2>can hope for.

1179
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm definitely optimistic about the better. I just feel

1180
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.760
<v Speaker 1>like the progress is always so slow that I just

1181
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.960
<v Speaker 1>like wonder, like if we'll ever get there. I mean, like,

1182
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:51.960
<v Speaker 1>could I know people will compare it to like the

1183
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 1>abolition of slavery was like, on one hand, I guess

1184
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:56.400
<v Speaker 1>we have made a lot of progress on that. On

1185
00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.079
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, like slavery does still exist. You still

1186
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:02.639
<v Speaker 1>have human trafficking, So it's like although you could say,

1187
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.679
<v Speaker 1>like I guess there's a lot less overt slavery in

1188
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the world than there ever was, maybe we'll hit a

1189
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:11.920
<v Speaker 1>point where like maybe like we haven't completely just like

1190
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:17.440
<v Speaker 1>dissolved all statism, but we'll have like at least something

1191
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>approximating what looks like a more libertarian ish legal order.

1192
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:25.039
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, I'm not like I'm not black

1193
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:27.880
<v Speaker 1>pilled I guess I'm like more like I'm like grayish

1194
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:29.960
<v Speaker 1>pilled on, Like I think we can make things better.

1195
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of wonder, like what's the limit on it.

1196
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Definitely agree like in our lifetime people who are you know,

1197
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 1>thinking it's going to be uh anytime soon? It is,

1198
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:42.480
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of lofty. What do you make of I

1199
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know how much. I know you don't pay too

1200
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 1>much attention to the like libertarian Twitter infighting, although you

1201
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:50.679
<v Speaker 1>once in a while dive into it, and I know

1202
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 1>you've hosted Dave on a couple of times to get

1203
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 1>into some of the intra debates, as I've had him

1204
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.760
<v Speaker 1>on to talk about that too. What do you make

1205
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:02.719
<v Speaker 1>of like, because like I feel like you and I

1206
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:05.320
<v Speaker 1>are really deep into theory, but there's there's some libertarians

1207
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:09.760
<v Speaker 1>who are like so deep into theory that I feel

1208
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:13.199
<v Speaker 1>like they have this sort of like ideological possession where

1209
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:16.800
<v Speaker 1>like they they view their principles in a way where

1210
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:20.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like they view it as immoral and like a

1211
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:25.880
<v Speaker 1>violation of their principles to ever engage in the world

1212
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:29.480
<v Speaker 1>in a way that's not like perfectly keeping with them,

1213
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:32.840
<v Speaker 1>even if it was like you know, going to result

1214
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:39.760
<v Speaker 1>in like a likely net good or improvement. And I

1215
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know where they draw the line, like like obviously

1216
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.079
<v Speaker 1>like they a lot of these people are like anti political,

1217
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, it becomes like more criticisms of

1218
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:51.199
<v Speaker 1>the LP and voting and stuff like that, which I

1219
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:52.440
<v Speaker 1>guess I kind of get. I thought, if you don't

1220
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:54.880
<v Speaker 1>think there's any utility in that, I know you've been

1221
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 1>pretty skeptical of that stuff. But then it's like, I

1222
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:00.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know where you draw the line on that were Like,

1223
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I know some people, like there's some

1224
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 1>people out there who I I don't.

1225
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:06.599
<v Speaker 4>Know how serious they are.

1226
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they give me glowy energy vibes where they're just like,

1227
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.880
<v Speaker 1>don't pay your taxes and uh don't uh you know,

1228
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.440
<v Speaker 1>don't do don't use or consume anything that was created

1229
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.960
<v Speaker 1>through the creation of like public you know, funds, because

1230
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 1>they're extored.

1231
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:26.559
<v Speaker 4>I'm just like, like, I don't.

1232
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:30.519
<v Speaker 1>Think know what I mean, Like they're they're there simple.

1233
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:38.079
<v Speaker 1>It just seems to me they're they're like a certain

1234
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:40.559
<v Speaker 1>point where like some people like they draw the line

1235
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:42.159
<v Speaker 1>in the sand where I'm just like, I don't know

1236
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:43.719
<v Speaker 1>how you don't end up in a point of like

1237
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:48.639
<v Speaker 1>action paralysis in life where they become with their commitment

1238
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:53.880
<v Speaker 1>to their their like libertarian uh purity tests. I don't

1239
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.559
<v Speaker 1>know if you have any thoughts on that. I've I've

1240
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I've just seen it like blow up more on Twitter lately,

1241
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.639
<v Speaker 1>and it's like like I don't even know how to

1242
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:03.960
<v Speaker 1>engage with some of the people on it because it's

1243
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.360
<v Speaker 1>just like I know, like we've had.

1244
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Talks about like.

1245
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Sterner and like how he views principles and philosophy and

1246
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of a different light, which I've always kind of

1247
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 1>been like, I have my principles I think are like

1248
01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:20.360
<v Speaker 1>like these are true, they're useful, They're like they're what

1249
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I want, but like I'm not going to I don't know,

1250
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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not going to be committed to them to

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<v Speaker 1>the point of like self deprecation or harm. Not my

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01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:35.880
<v Speaker 1>libertarian principles, my Christian principles are a little different, Like

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01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.800
<v Speaker 1>but that's that's a whole different category of of exploration.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't particularly have any strong I don't know, I

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01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of know what you're getting at, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel like that, honestly, that's like, uh, I mean, it's

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01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.039
<v Speaker 2>just one of those things that, uh, it's not even

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01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:59.360
<v Speaker 2>really worth the the the the bandwidth, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that just feel like they've become to

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01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:02.599
<v Speaker 2>such a level of irrelevance.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mean that in a mean way.

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01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I just I just mean in the sense of like

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<v Speaker 2>this discussion that continues to be tried to be brought

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01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:10.440
<v Speaker 2>back up of that like, hey, we want to talk

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01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.639
<v Speaker 2>about it really is just trying to slap at Dave

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01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 2>to try to, like, hey, debate me, and you're like,

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01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he wants to debate you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just not it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Even that like saying that, Like these people I know,

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<v Speaker 2>they always want to, like Liquid Zulu, to debate Dave.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it probably be a great debate. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it really gives a shit about

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01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the fucking about the border stuff right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't give a shit, So I know most people

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01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.920
<v Speaker 2>don't give a shit, So why would he literally waste

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<v Speaker 2>his time to debate this. It's just that's just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of where I it's just not being able to read

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01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.519
<v Speaker 2>the tea leaves. It's just that no one really there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a there's not demand for that discussion right now,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's just kind of like cool, you can keep

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01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.119
<v Speaker 2>like bugging Dave about it, and he's gonna keep probably

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01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.880
<v Speaker 2>ignoring you and not debating you, and you're just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of being annoying.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about it. I mean, I don't. I don't really

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01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:55.880
<v Speaker 3>how much of a thought of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so far as like I'm assuming you're

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01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:59.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of getting to people who are like more.

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01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.199
<v Speaker 3>Open bordered or whatever, or.

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01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess some of the people have like critiques of

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01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess the LPMC that, I mean, the

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01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of critiques that I would probably be like, that's

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01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.199
<v Speaker 2>just kind of gay like kind of where I'm coming from.

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01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:13.559
<v Speaker 3>But I just don't. It's just not even really worth

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01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:14.800
<v Speaker 3>looking at.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I have not been interested at all in

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<v Speaker 2>any of that whatsoever. It's I guess it's very much

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01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:24.599
<v Speaker 2>like duck off the water's back, just kind of like

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01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:26.719
<v Speaker 2>what are they are? They're just bugging Dave about trying

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01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:29.159
<v Speaker 2>to debate. That's that's about it. I'm just like, there's

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01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.440
<v Speaker 2>nothing really and they bitch about the LPMC and how

1304
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:35.039
<v Speaker 2>they go about doing stuff, and that's because I guess

1305
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.000
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of seems to be these these people are

1306
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.079
<v Speaker 2>usually kind of like me and don't really agree with

1307
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:43.000
<v Speaker 2>LPMC much anyways, but it's always for like really gay reasons,

1308
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like oh well then, but you have the

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01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:48.599
<v Speaker 2>gayest reasons for it. I don't know, I just it's

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01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:50.960
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like a non issue. I mean whatever,

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01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean cool. I mean, these guys don't like the LPMC,

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01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:56.239
<v Speaker 2>then like, okay.

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01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess it's sort of like I don't care

1314
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.079
<v Speaker 1>if people disagree with like an ELK strategy or the

1315
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.559
<v Speaker 1>MC strategy. But it's like if you just think, like

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01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's gonna work, It's like, okay, fair enough,

1317
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know what they're doing right now is

1318
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna work. I hope it does. If it doesn't, then

1319
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:16.639
<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't you know, the cool experiment. I mean

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01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:19.360
<v Speaker 1>like I don't think Trump is going to deliver on

1321
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.760
<v Speaker 1>all his promises, but hey, if you freeze Ross does

1322
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:23.719
<v Speaker 1>a couple other good things, I'll be like, hey, cool.

1323
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Like that's like I'm kind of I don't like, like

1324
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:30.679
<v Speaker 1>a little me. I'm cautiously optimistic to see if maybe

1325
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Elon and Vivak and then with those do anything interesting.

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01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:38.800
<v Speaker 1>It could also be a giant distraction and and uh

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01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:40.840
<v Speaker 1>not really you know, it could it could be like

1328
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:43.519
<v Speaker 1>the utility of it is so marginal that it like

1329
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.400
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make a difference anyway, So who knows. But

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01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:49.000
<v Speaker 1>there's other people that are like, hey, for even trying

1331
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.239
<v Speaker 1>to do this, like you've, you know, abandoned your libertarian

1332
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.159
<v Speaker 1>principles and you're violating the NAP and all that. I'm

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01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:56.519
<v Speaker 1>just like, I don't even.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you mean like voting for Trump in general or yeah, yeah,

1335
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:02.760
<v Speaker 2>the sort of support or.

1336
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:03.840
<v Speaker 4>Even tacit support.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that stuff just seems to me like to

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01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:09.199
<v Speaker 1>be like such a like uh that that's kind of

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01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:11.400
<v Speaker 1>more what I'm getting at, which does tie into yeah,

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01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like the Zulu criticisms of Dave, But that was what

1341
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.800
<v Speaker 1>was really dumb about that was like they brought it

1342
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:21.039
<v Speaker 1>up out of nothing, like no one's debating immigration right now,

1343
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden, it was like Dave

1344
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:26.440
<v Speaker 1>is getting attacked by like the usual suspects because he

1345
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:32.559
<v Speaker 1>talked to someone who shared, uh, a potentially anti semitic meme.

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01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't a meme that I would have shared, but like

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01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Dave's reaction with my reaction, I was like, I don't know,

1348
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:39.599
<v Speaker 1>like maybe this guy, I think it's like Jake Shield,

1349
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.000
<v Speaker 1>like maybe maybe he's anti semitic. Maybe that means the

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01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 1>anti Semitics but.

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01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Like pretty apt given the context.

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01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but first of all, one like it, Well

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01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:53.239
<v Speaker 2>it may it may pull out a strong response, right,

1354
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:53.920
<v Speaker 2>but well.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, first of all, it's like point out, point

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01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.320
<v Speaker 5>out the error to me, Like, yeah, maybe it it's

1357
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:05.679
<v Speaker 5>it's a meme that's definitely designed to provoke a reaction, right,

1358
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:09.559
<v Speaker 5>Like Okay, but like where like explain to me where

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01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:14.239
<v Speaker 5>it's wrong to suggest that the Israel lobby and Zionists

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01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 5>don't have a stranglehold on American the American government and

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01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:22.599
<v Speaker 5>democracy and foreign policy and all that. And second of all,

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01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:26.760
<v Speaker 5>like if you're gonna, you know, cry tears over a

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01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:31.519
<v Speaker 5>meme and when Palestinian children and families are being blown

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01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:32.880
<v Speaker 5>to bit you.

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<v Speaker 3>Frankly, there's no better.

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01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:38.360
<v Speaker 2>There's I struggle to think of a better representation of

1367
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Israel and what they're doing they've done to us, like

1368
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:43.719
<v Speaker 2>it really struggle to think.

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01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Of a better.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, the the most over the top anti Semitic caricature

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01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:53.119
<v Speaker 2>is a perfect, a literal, perfect example of what Israel

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01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.559
<v Speaker 2>is in comparison to us as a nation. Like what

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01:05:57.639 --> 01:05:59.960
<v Speaker 2>they like, what you think of the most over top

1374
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:03.199
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic caricature, that is what they are to the

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01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:07.039
<v Speaker 2>United State. They they literally are the like they're they're control,

1376
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.440
<v Speaker 2>they're the they're a little where they're a little shabiscoy.

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01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.440
<v Speaker 2>We fucking we do all their evil for them. They're

1378
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.880
<v Speaker 2>they're like they they're all about, you know, like literally

1379
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.920
<v Speaker 2>all the greasiest, disgusting, like like over the top Jewish

1380
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.039
<v Speaker 2>stereotypes that people think of, Like that is like, really

1381
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.159
<v Speaker 2>what is going on here? So it's like, I mean,

1382
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 2>you can be upset about it. You can be like, well,

1383
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 2>this is an anti Semitic caricature. You're like, okay, but

1384
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.519
<v Speaker 2>is it wrong? I mean I'm not and I'm not

1385
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:36.320
<v Speaker 2>even saying that's inherently because it's a country of Jewish people.

1386
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:38.239
<v Speaker 2>But it's like, if that's the I mean, we all

1387
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:40.960
<v Speaker 2>know the caricature that's being portrayed of the like the

1388
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.920
<v Speaker 2>evil jew like, so it's like, it's real, is that

1389
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:47.480
<v Speaker 2>in this example like perfectly? Well I might think of

1390
01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.639
<v Speaker 2>a better, better you know, the illustration of it, but

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01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:51.440
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty unclose.

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01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:53.840
<v Speaker 4>The response is, well, it's it all Jewish.

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01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 1>You take it's all Jewish people, and I'm like, I'm

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01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:58.840
<v Speaker 1>not saying that if it first of all, Dave the

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01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Jewish person doesn't apply to him.

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01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:01.199
<v Speaker 4>There's plenty.

1397
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Jewish person, it doesn't apply to me. So

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01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.679
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, it's kind of like you know,

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01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:09.199
<v Speaker 1>and I guess I'm kind of I don't know. First

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01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.719
<v Speaker 1>of all, the whole identity politics is dumbed. I don't.

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01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't even know how, Like am I

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01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:15.880
<v Speaker 1>wider Jewish? Someone needs to tell me where I fit

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01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:20.719
<v Speaker 1>into the whole stupid like intersectionality map, because I don't know,

1404
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:25.119
<v Speaker 1>just just because I like to mess with the forms

1405
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and government. But anytime I have a government thing and

1406
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.559
<v Speaker 1>it says to fill out your minority status or whatever,

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01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:34.159
<v Speaker 1>I always identify other because one it's like like, who

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01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:35.440
<v Speaker 1>are you to tell me what I am? If you're

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01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:36.079
<v Speaker 1>gonna question it?

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01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, and I'm gonna start putting jew just so I

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01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:39.480
<v Speaker 2>can get a free liability shield.

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01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:41.519
<v Speaker 4>I'll vouch for you.

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01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Like here's my he has my I'm Jewish, he has

1414
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.880
<v Speaker 1>my my vote of confidence, and he's uh his Jewish status.

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01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:54.199
<v Speaker 1>But just listen, like if it doesn't apply to you,

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01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't apply to you. Just like if if it's like, hey,

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01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.519
<v Speaker 1>there are white people who are imagine if we had

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01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:04.039
<v Speaker 1>for like let's just imagine we had a country that

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01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:08.280
<v Speaker 1>was predominantly white, that had in their like constitution and

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01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 1>charter and like ruling political party. That's like, we have

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01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:16.520
<v Speaker 1>to maintain our white supremacy in this nation, not ever,

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01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.600
<v Speaker 1>because we can't ever have minorities ruling over us. And

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01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:22.720
<v Speaker 1>on top of that, they're committing like essentially what amounts

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01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.720
<v Speaker 1>to either a genocide or a near genocide of non

1425
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:29.479
<v Speaker 1>whites in a region that they've claimed a you know,

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01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:31.560
<v Speaker 1>virtual monopoly over and let the people leave.

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<v Speaker 2>You're making Israel say it sound way cooler than has

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01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:34.960
<v Speaker 2>any business being.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like, if you were to point that out and

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01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.399
<v Speaker 1>be like, you know, like calling attention to the fact

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01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that like, you know, hey, white people being white national

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01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:51.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, violent white ethno nationalists is bad.

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01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:54.079
<v Speaker 4>And then you were just like, there's not all white people,

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01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:56.359
<v Speaker 4>like whatever. Then it's not all white people.

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01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:59.760
<v Speaker 1>It's like for the Jews who aren't Zionists, who aren't

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01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:04.640
<v Speaker 1>supporting Israel's you know, uh, the Zion's agenda and the

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01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:09.319
<v Speaker 1>slaughter of Palestinians and the American industrial military industrial complex

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01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:12.920
<v Speaker 1>being a world empire to a large extent to further

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01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Israel's interests in the world, then like then it doesn't

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01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:20.399
<v Speaker 1>apply to you, Like, but if it does, then, like

1441
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you pointed out, like for a lot of Jews, it does,

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01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:29.640
<v Speaker 1>like that's that's just that's just facts. I know it's

1443
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:32.960
<v Speaker 1>facts because I have Jewish family who I could say

1444
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.199
<v Speaker 1>it's facts for right, like they're like to them, they're

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01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.720
<v Speaker 1>and not just like family and friends who I've had

1446
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:43.000
<v Speaker 1>severed relationships with because of my stances, because like to them,

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01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:46.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, if you disagree with Israel, it's just

1448
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:49.560
<v Speaker 1>just disagreeing that, Like, hey, I don't think that the

1449
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:51.760
<v Speaker 1>state of Israel should exist, or if it does exist,

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01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:56.680
<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't be an exclusivist Jewish ethno state committing you know,

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01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:02.000
<v Speaker 1>genocide against the Palestinians. That's to them, that alone is

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01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:06.239
<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic. So it's like, all right, well you've you've

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01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:07.720
<v Speaker 1>showed me what your priorities are.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, yeah, I mean, I mean it's the truth. Unfortunately, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately for sure. Yeah, you're one of the goods.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put that in my bio, one of one of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we gotta have at least it's always like we've

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<v Speaker 3>got Dave, we got you. It's about it. Really that's

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<v Speaker 3>the end of them. I think, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, uh that's a weird note to end on. But

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<v Speaker 1>uh but hey no, it's like, listen, man, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you hopping on. I love what you're doing over on

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<v Speaker 1>on your show. You've had a lot of success. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been very very happy to see you have, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that you continue to have it. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell people on my end, my audience aside, in

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01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:09.600
<v Speaker 1>case they don't know where they can find you before

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<v Speaker 1>we hop off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do want to apologize once again for the

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<v Speaker 2>bad reception. Next time I will move my router. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have the No Way Jose podcast. You can find

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<v Speaker 2>me on YouTube all the major ad pocket Chairs, Rumble

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Lately, I've been doing probably you know, at

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<v Speaker 2>least a few days a week, been doing morning streams.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been calling them the Morning Dump. So those are

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<v Speaker 2>live streams you can pop in for that. Just keep

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01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:38.199
<v Speaker 2>an eye out on YouTube and Rumble. I also have

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<v Speaker 2>On Tuesdays at nine thirty, I do the nine thirty

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<v Speaker 2>pm Eastern I do Already Dead, which is a live show,

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01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:47.319
<v Speaker 2>live call in show that I do with my co

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01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:51.119
<v Speaker 2>host Austin piccard and I also have a normal you know,

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01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:53.720
<v Speaker 2>the topic related No Way Jose episode that I do

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<v Speaker 2>every week. Yeah, that's over on YouTube rumble all the

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<v Speaker 2>major audio pocket. You can follow me on Twitter at

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01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Tara Gang Jose if you want to support me patron

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01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:07.640
<v Speaker 2>dot com just No Way Hose twenty twenty. Yeah, we'll

1488
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:10.319
<v Speaker 2>check out my podcast. The thing probably most people know

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01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:12.039
<v Speaker 2>me for is my okayc stuff, so that's probably a

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<v Speaker 2>good place where you start. I appreciate you having me on, Jacob,

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01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:16.479
<v Speaker 2>but it's always a pleasure hanging that with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course I appreciate you do. Everyone, go support

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01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:26.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean I asked for a support earlier, but go

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01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:29.680
<v Speaker 1>support Jose's show. To Hoose's like one of two people

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01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.239
<v Speaker 1>you know in the podcast world who I have, for

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01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:38.079
<v Speaker 1>the most part financially supported sponsoring his show. So appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>what you do. Man, Thanks for coming on and just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, talk talking about random stuff for an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a blast. Hope you guys enjoyed this. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back tomorrow night with Adam Nutter. I mean, unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel to find quality

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01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:58.840
<v Speaker 1>people to talk to there, but I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>I love Adam.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have an hour of trash talking each other,

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01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:05.720
<v Speaker 1>so it's gonna be a lot of fun. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>you know, guys, let me know what you think about this,

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01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 1>this format, if you want more of this or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably won't keep it under the Daniel three thing

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<v Speaker 1>after I get to episode one hundred, but who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm free to do whatever I want. I'll free to

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<v Speaker 1>change my mind at any point.

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<v Speaker 4>Reserve that right.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so this is episode ninety four. I'll Addam

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<v Speaker 1>one for ninety five, and so there'll be at least

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<v Speaker 1>another five after that then until we get back to

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred. If you want to find me at Biblical

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<v Speaker 1>Anarchy or go to Biblical anarchypodcast dot com. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>all I have for you guys for tonight. So talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Attatatatatas assasssssssss.
