1 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from 2 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,079 boy S, Idaho. This is your host, Adam Graham. In 3 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,840 a moment, we're going to bring you this week's episode 4 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,159 of Dragnet. But first I want to encourage you. If 5 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:49,000 you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite 6 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:53,119 podcast software. Also, I do want to let you know 7 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,000 today's programs brought to you by the financial support of 8 00:00:56,039 --> 00:00:59,280 our listeners. 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You're a 20 00:01:58,879 --> 00:01:59,840 detective sergeant. 21 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:01,799 Speaker 3: You're assigned to auto theft detail. 22 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: A gang of criminals masquerading as legitimate auto dealers start 23 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:08,919 to work in your city. Innocent people are cheated out 24 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,159 of thousands of dollars. The thieves are clever, they work 25 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:21,680 a foolproof formula. Your job stop them. 26 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. For 27 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:28,599 the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles 28 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,719 Police Department, you will travel step by step on the 29 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:34,439 side of the law through an actual case transcribed from 30 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:39,000 official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, 31 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:42,159 Dragnet is the story of your police force and action. 32 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 5: It was Tuesday, February nineteenth. That was Chile in Los Angeles. 33 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,360 We're working the day Watch out of auto theft. My 34 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:56,080 partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Captain Nelson. My name 35 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:58,599 is Friday. We're on the way out from the office, 36 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:00,400 and it was ten twenty five am when we got 37 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,719 to the corner of thirty eighth Street and Maxbury Avenue, 38 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,319 the Green Leaf Danye Nursery School. 39 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: Missus H. Palmer, is that right? 40 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 5: I mean I think so. In just a minute I 41 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:19,759 kind of written down. Yeah. 42 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: Excuse me, ma'am. We're looking for a Missus viol of Palmer. 43 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 6: I'm missus Palmer, what is it you wanted? 44 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 5: We're police officers, ma'am. This is my partner, sizent Rom. 45 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,000 Now my name is Friday. Auto theft detail. 46 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,599 Speaker 6: Oh, yes, about my car. You're going to investigate all 47 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:32,000 about it? 48 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 7: Is that it? 49 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:34,879 Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am. We've been handling similar complaints the last month 50 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,680 or saw. We'd like to have you tell us everything 51 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:38,280 that happened in your case, if you would please. 52 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 8: One of the most underhanded things I've ever heard of, Sergeant. 53 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,840 It would have been the same thing if he'd help 54 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:44,599 me up with a gun just out and ount robbery. 55 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,879 Speaker 3: Could you give us some of the details, ma'am, how 56 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:48,439 you were first approached on the deal. 57 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:49,759 Speaker 6: Excuse me a minute, please. 58 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,479 Speaker 7: Children, time to go inside. Now we're going. 59 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,039 Speaker 8: To color pictures with the crayons this morning. 60 00:03:56,639 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 6: Missus Johnson has them all ready for you inside. O 61 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,319 my coast on run so long now inside, everyone. 62 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,479 Speaker 8: Certainly wish the warm weathered hurry up and come. Children 63 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,319 always raise such an uproar when he had to keep 64 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,639 them indoors. Worst part of running a day nursery to 65 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,159 winter months. 66 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,879 Speaker 5: Yes, man, I supposing now about your automobile and this parmer, 67 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,879 we understand you had it up for Sally Advertising one 68 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:17,800 of the local newspapers. 69 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 6: Yes, that's right. 70 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,319 Speaker 8: I ran one of those three day one ads over 71 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,120 the weekend Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I thought I'd get 72 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,240 more from my car if I sold it myself. I mean, 73 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,079 instead of selling it to a used car lot. 74 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,519 Speaker 5: Absolutely. How many answers did you get on your walt ad? 75 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 8: Well, just the one way it turned out. This man 76 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:34,839 came out and looked at my car first thing in 77 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,800 the morning. He offered to pay me exactly what I 78 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:38,720 was asking for it, so I sold it to him. 79 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,759 Speaker 6: That's just the way it went. 80 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,319 Speaker 3: Who was this man, missus Palmer? Was he representing some 81 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:43,160 auto company? 82 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 8: Yes, he said he was. Anyway, he gave his name 83 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,439 to Joseph Newhall. I've got his card inside. Said he 84 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,600 was a buyer for Dan Barton Juice car lot on 85 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:51,519 South cap Street. 86 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:54,199 Speaker 6: Nicely dressed man. He made it all seem so honest. 87 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:55,959 Speaker 3: I was a deal of arranged, could you tell us, 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,959 I mean transfer the car, payment and so forth. 89 00:04:58,079 --> 00:05:00,439 Speaker 8: Well, he gave me a check for fifty dollars down 90 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:02,800 payment to hold the car for him. Was a certified 91 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,160 company check, I see. He told me I'd be back 92 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:07,399 that afternoon with a certified check for the full amount 93 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:09,040 of the car eight hundred dollars. 94 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 5: Did he take your car with him then, No, he didn't. 95 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 8: That's why I had no reason to be suspicious. He 96 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:16,040 left me the check for fifty dollars and said he'd 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,240 be back later with the rest of the money. Said 98 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,199 in the meantime one of the employees from the used 99 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,079 car lot might be along to pick up the car 100 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:24,519 to save me the trouble of driving it downtown myself. 101 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:26,759 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, same Amo Joe all the way. 102 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:28,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks like that. Well, how did it go 103 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:29,680 after that? In Miss Palmer? 104 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,959 Speaker 8: This worker from the used car lot came to the 105 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:34,279 house to pick up the car about one o'clock that afternoon, 106 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,519 gave me a check for the full mount of the car, 107 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,079 and I gave him the pink slip had a pair 108 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,560 of white cover alls on lettering on the back of 109 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,439 him Dan Barton Jews cars. Looked like a typical mechanic 110 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:47,480 or something. I wasn't the least bit suspicious. 111 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,639 Speaker 5: Um hm. How about the buyer, this Joseph Newhall. Did 112 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,839 he show up later in the day. 113 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 8: No, he never came back. I've never seen him since. 114 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,439 Haven't seen my car either. I call that Dan Barton 115 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,360 juice car lot. The next morning they told me they 116 00:05:59,439 --> 00:05:59,920 never heard of you. 117 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 5: New Hall. 118 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:03,759 Speaker 8: Just made me a sick officer. I can't afford to 119 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,160 lose the money I had in that car. 120 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, we understand the same things happened to a 121 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,759 dozen people like you around the city. 122 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,879 Speaker 5: Do you remember what this man new Hall looked like? 123 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:14,800 Miss Palmer's physical description, maybe the clothes he was wearing. 124 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 8: Yes, I've got it all written down, sergeant, in my diary. 125 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,399 Would you like to step inside please, I've got my 126 00:06:20,399 --> 00:06:21,480 little office at the back. 127 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 9: Of the school here. 128 00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:23,199 Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much. 129 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:26,199 Speaker 8: Now, I always make a record of everything in my diary. 130 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,199 I've kept going ever since it was a girl in 131 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,199 college every day. 132 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: I suppose you've got all the information on your car 133 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,639 to make license number, things like that. 134 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 8: Oh, yes, indeed, I got everything together I thought might 135 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:37,879 help you right up these stairs. 136 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 5: Please you go ahead. How about the description of the 137 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,639 man in overall, so, the one who came to pick 138 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,920 up your car. Would you remember him, ma'am. 139 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 8: Yes, I've got that for you too. Everything I thought 140 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,800 would help. Just have a seat their officers. I've got 141 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:51,240 the things in. 142 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,879 Speaker 6: My desk here, thank you, right ahead, thank you. I 143 00:06:56,879 --> 00:06:57,759 wouldn't mind. 144 00:06:57,519 --> 00:06:59,319 Speaker 8: The whole thing so much, but as I say, I 145 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:01,480 can't afford to lose the cash I had tied up 146 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:01,920 my car. 147 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 3: And seems to be the way the thieves operate, ma'am. 148 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,519 They've been cheating the people who at least of forty. 149 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 8: Terrible thing just out and out robbery. There you are, sergeant, 150 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,040 uh huh, thank you, ma'am. There's the description of my car, 151 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:13,439 license number, all the rest. 152 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:14,199 Speaker 5: Yes, I see. 153 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:15,839 Speaker 9: And here's the description of the. 154 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:18,759 Speaker 8: Two men, Joseph Newhall and the man in coveralls who 155 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,480 picked up my car. 156 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,839 Speaker 3: Have you got that deposit check? New Hall gave him 157 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:23,920 his bomb and the check for fifty dollars. 158 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 9: Right here, sergeant. 159 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 8: I saw that company about it, Dan Marton's juice car lot. 160 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,279 Speaker 9: It's forgery, not worth the papers printed on. 161 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: I look, Joe, yeah, I say, same as the other one. 162 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:35,279 Speaker 7: Thing. 163 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,879 Speaker 8: I don't understand how those crooks get these checks to 164 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:38,319 begin with. 165 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:39,079 Speaker 9: Did they steal it? 166 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 5: No, man, we figured they had them printed up. We're 167 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,079 still trying to find out where. 168 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:43,879 Speaker 8: Well, you know what the men look like you'll be 169 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,120 able to find them, now, won't you. 170 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,319 Speaker 3: Only we should work that way, ma'am. We've had good 171 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,920 descriptions on both men for a month now. Hasn't helped 172 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:50,319 too much. 173 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 8: I don't understand it at all. As I say, they're 174 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:55,040 only common crooks. They can't be that smart, can they. 175 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 5: Well, there's only one way we can judge. We've been 176 00:07:57,439 --> 00:07:59,639 hunting every day for a month now. Yes, they're still 177 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,879 running free. In the space of thirty three days, the 178 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,360 auto theft gang and victimized a dozen private citizens throughout 179 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,839 the city. In each instance, the approach and the method 180 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:13,720 of operation had been the same. The frontman for the 181 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:16,360 gang would personally answer a want head inserted in the 182 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:19,360 local newspaper by a private citizen advertising the sale of 183 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,519 his automobile. The frontman would represent himself falsely as a 184 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:26,879 buyer for Dan Barton's used car lot, a well known 185 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,319 and legitimate used car dealer. He'd offer to pay exactly 186 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,399 the sale price which the private party was asking as 187 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,159 a deposit. The so called buyer would leave a counterfeit 188 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,039 company check for fifty or one hundred dollars, with a 189 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,919 promise that he would return later in the day with 190 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,360 a certified check for the full amount. After a few hours, 191 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:47,240 another man, posing as an employee if Dan Barton's Used 192 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,799 Car Lot, would call for the car and drive it away. 193 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,759 Neither the car nor the so called buyer were ever 194 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:55,519 seen again. All efforts to trace them went for nothing. 195 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,399 Eleven forty am, Ben and I went back to the 196 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:00,919 office and got out a broadcast up on Entry APB 197 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:03,840 on Missus Palmer's car and also on the phony car 198 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:07,240 buyer who called himself Joseph Newhall. After lunch we met 199 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,240 with Sergeant Ormsby, one of the other four men out 200 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,440 of all that detail who were working the case with us. 201 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: How'd you make out this morning? More? I mean that 202 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:13,960 lad go anyway at all? 203 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 10: Wasn't bad As far as he went. We found a 204 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,039 place where they had the printing. 205 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:17,279 Speaker 2: Done, you know where. 206 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,639 Speaker 10: It was a small job printed way out in the valley, 207 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:22,159 printed up the phony checks with that heading on it. 208 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,320 Dan Barton's Used Car Lot got out some business cards 209 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:25,799 for him too. 210 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 5: What with the names? 211 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,799 Speaker 10: You find out that same one, Joseph Newhall. He ordered 212 00:09:29,799 --> 00:09:32,639 the checks and the business cards printed described him for us, 213 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:34,320 the same guy. Where's it go from there? 214 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 5: No place? 215 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:37,159 Speaker 3: Brinda told us new Hall had a car. 216 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 10: He couldn't give us a license number, couldn't even remember 217 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,480 the make of the body style. 218 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:41,879 Speaker 5: Thought it was a late model car. 219 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 3: It's fund. 220 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,399 Speaker 5: That's not much help. 221 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:45,639 Speaker 10: No address on him either. It was a will call 222 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:46,799 order paid for in cash. 223 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:49,039 Speaker 5: You told the printer to call us if Newhall comes back. 224 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:50,279 Speaker 6: Ah, yeah, it's covered. 225 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 10: I don't figure there's much chance Newhall was going to 226 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:54,960 do that. He ordered enough checks printed up the first 227 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:55,799 time last three year. 228 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,799 Speaker 3: I guess that's one lead we can forget. 229 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 10: How about that special run the Status Office made for 230 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,600 us yesterday, Anything come out of that. 231 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 5: Nothing. All the possibles on the list were checked out 232 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:07,320 all over clear. Nothing from Barton's used car lot either. 233 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,679 Everybody on their staff's been checked out. All their ex 234 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,679 employees too, No sign any one of them might add 235 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,279 a hand in the Yeah, oh either. Have you seen 236 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:15,440 the captain since this morning? No? 237 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 10: Why that idea we were talking over at the last meeting. 238 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,960 You figures we'll go ahead with it this weekend. 239 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: How does he figure on working? You know Army personal 240 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:22,519 con Day. 241 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. 242 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 10: Most of the private parties who want to sell their 243 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,240 cars themselves use that want. 244 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 5: Ad deal over the weekend. They get a. 245 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:31,039 Speaker 10: Special rate if they run their ad Friday, Saturday and Sunday, 246 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:34,240 I know, Thursday, nights of the deadline for having the ads, 247 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,080 and if they're going to run the full weekend, and 248 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,360 that's when we start working on it. 249 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:39,639 Speaker 5: We get in touch with every private party who's filed 250 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,559 a want ad for the weekend advertising the set of 251 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:41,879 their car. 252 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 10: Yeah, we'll contact them by phone, every one of them. 253 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,480 If we advise them that if anybody representing themselves as 254 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,519 a buyer for Dan Barton to use Car a Lot 255 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,639 answers their want ad, they're to get in touch with 256 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,480 us right away. If they can't stall the man long enough, 257 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,919 we tell them to accept the deposit check, take down 258 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,720 all the information on the man the car is driving. 259 00:10:58,919 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 8: Know. 260 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: To work out if we can get any kind of 261 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,600 cooperation is going to be a big job. We'll have 262 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,519 to cover all the want ads and all the papers. 263 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 10: We've got a good description of that phony buyer, Joseph Newhall. 264 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,120 If they planted a want ad one of the papers. 265 00:11:10,159 --> 00:11:11,759 Maybe he's the one of the gang who brought the 266 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:14,559 ad in. It's possible one of the ad takers might remember. 267 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 5: It might be worth checking anyway, Or it could be 268 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,519 they might have phoned in the ad too. That wouldn't 269 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:18,919 help much. 270 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: We might as well face it. 271 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,519 Speaker 10: It's not food proof, but it's a different approach. It's 272 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,159 a plan anyway. We tried everything else we can think 273 00:11:25,159 --> 00:11:26,080 of to reach the thieves. 274 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 5: I got him all about that body telling that's it? 275 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:41,519 When was that? I see? Yeah, yes, as soon as 276 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,440 we can, thank you, sir. Well, maybe we won't have 277 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,120 to wait for the weekend. A man out in Echo Park, 278 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:50,200 he runs a candy store out there. He advertised his 279 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,360 conference sale in this morning's papers said. The first one 280 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,399 to answer it was a buyer from Dan Barton's used 281 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:57,080 car lot. Gave his name as Joseph Newhall. Looks like 282 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,200 the same m all. They make a deal an only 283 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,320 candy store on a go for the deposit check. He 284 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,480 wanted to full him out, said the deal didn't satellite 285 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,720 to him. How's it stand now? New Hall said he'd 286 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,440 come back with a check for the full sale price 287 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:15,240 eight o'clock tonight, two twenty pm. We drove out and 288 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,320 questioned the candy store owner further. His description of new 289 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,919 Hall tallied with the others, but again the potential victim 290 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,679 had failed to get any kind of a description of 291 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,159 the car new Hall was driving, of the license number. 292 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,639 Ben and I staked out at the house. Eight pm 293 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:32,080 came and went. The suspect failed to show. By midnight, 294 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,639 there was still no sign of him. When he had 295 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,360 shaped up. New Hall apparently had a policy of making 296 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,320 a deal at first contact or forgetting about it. He 297 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:42,960 probably figured that if a person was at all suspicious, 298 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,559 the interval would give him time to check, and new 299 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,960 Hall wasn't giving away any odds. All day Wednesday, the 300 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,039 stakeout went on no sign of the suspect. On Thursday night, 301 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,720 the local newspapers gave us lists of names and phone 302 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:58,480 numbers of all private parties who had ordered want ads 303 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:00,679 for the coming weekend to advertise as the sale of 304 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,840 an automobile. We divided up the names and six of 305 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:06,639 us took turns on the phones and started calling each party. 306 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:09,480 We warned them about the carcept ring and advised them 307 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,879 of what steps to take in the event Joseph Newhall 308 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,120 or one of the other gang members approached them with 309 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,799 the proposition to buy their car. One of the private 310 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:19,799 parties we contacted was a mister Roy Harmon. Ben got 311 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:22,240 on one extension and read in the stock warning we'd prepared. 312 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:25,240 Sergeant Omsby used the other extension and called another party 313 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:26,480 running an ad serg. 314 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 7: The Los Angeles Police Department. 315 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: Out how that yes, and one of the gang usually 316 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,799 goes under the name of Joseph Newhall. Now if you're 317 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:34,759 contacted it all? 318 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 5: How's that? 319 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 3: When was that? Uh? I see, well where are you now? 320 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,159 Saying about an hour? 321 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:44,159 Speaker 5: All right? 322 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: Thank you? What was that all about? Man with the 323 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:49,519 name of Harmon once a cocktail lounge out on the 324 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,799 South Cole He took in a check over the bar 325 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,480 last not company check from Dan Burton Jeue car Lot 326 00:13:54,879 --> 00:13:56,679 says it was signed Joseph Newhall. 327 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,159 Speaker 5: Will he ought to remember who passed it? 328 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,279 Speaker 3: He does, I got it right here. A man was 329 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,000 the name of Frank Curtis. He's a regular customer at 330 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,919 the Boar. Harmon says. This Curtis came into place last 331 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,360 night with a man in a dark fruit and the 332 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:11,120 man seemed to be a friend of Curtis's. When I 333 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:13,159 asked him what the friend looked like, and he described 334 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,120 him it was new Hall. 335 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 5: What about that check business? 336 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: Harmon says he was tending boy at the time told 337 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,600 me this Frank Curtis and new Hall had quite a 338 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:23,240 few drinks together and he ran out of money. Newall 339 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:25,080 wanted to cash a check, but Harmon said. 340 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 5: No, he didn't know him. Well. 341 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: This Frank Curtis is a regular customer at the Boar, 342 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,919 and he offered the endorse the check for new Hall. 343 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,200 So Harmon said, okay, any case. 344 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,639 Speaker 5: Well, how well does Harmon know this customer? 345 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:40,559 Speaker 3: Is this Curtis pretty well, lives across the street from him. 346 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: We checked Frank Curtis through R and I, but he 347 00:14:42,879 --> 00:14:45,600 had no previous criminal record. We left the rest of 348 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:47,039 the list for the other men, and Ben and I 349 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,200 drove out and talked to Roy Harmon, the owner of 350 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,399 the cocktail lounge where the suspect, Joseph Newhaul atchachs to check. 351 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,720 With the help of his friend Frank Curtis. Harmon told 352 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:58,519 the same story he'd given Ben over the phone. Curtis 353 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:00,799 was a long time neighbor of his, the steady customer 354 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,279 at his cocktail lounge. Just for new Hall, He'd never 355 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,240 set eyes on him until the night before. Harmon gave 356 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:08,399 us the home address of Frank Curtis and we checked 357 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,000 it out missus. Curtis answered the door and told us 358 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:13,600 that her husband, Frank, was working the newly inaugurated night 359 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:15,600 shift at an aircraft plant on the south end of 360 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:17,720 the city. Then and I drove down to the plant, 361 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:20,440 and after checking with the personnel office, we finally located 362 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,240 Curtis at his work. He was an assistant foreman in 363 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:24,960 one of the aircraft assembly. 364 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 11: Shops, the cruisigeant Romero. The last time I saw new 365 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:31,000 Hall before the other night was five years ago, just 366 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:32,600 to work at the walk plants together. 367 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 7: To matter anyway, has it done something? 368 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 11: We understand you endorsed to check the new Halls for 369 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:37,759 fifty dollars. 370 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 7: Do you know him, met? 371 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,679 Speaker 11: Well, I mean that you'd endorse checks for him. 372 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 7: Well, maybe I shouldn't have. 373 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 11: Wife's always telling me I'll be more careful to who 374 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:45,639 I'm signing checks for. 375 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,519 Speaker 7: Why what happened anyway? It wasn't check any good. 376 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,559 Speaker 5: Do you have any idea where we could find this 377 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:51,320 friend of yours? 378 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 11: This new Hall? 379 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 7: Well, I don't know. 380 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 11: During the war he and his wife lived in this 381 00:15:55,559 --> 00:15:57,879 housing project off North Maine. 382 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 7: I know they moved from that place though, Yeah, no 383 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:03,440 matter of fact. Oh Joe didn't tell me where he 384 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:03,960 was living. 385 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,039 Speaker 11: I gave him my address, told him and drop over 386 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,559 for a beer sometimes. Don't remember getting his address though. 387 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:11,840 Couldn't tell me what this is about. 388 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 7: Huh, just a routine check. 389 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:14,759 Speaker 11: We'd like to locate new Hall. 390 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,639 Speaker 7: That's all. Got a few questions we'd. 391 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:17,159 Speaker 5: Like to ask him. 392 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 11: Excuse me, we're gonna watch it here, so yeah, I 393 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,320 ain't coming through with that. 394 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 7: Jake Dang. 395 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 11: Okay, Fellas bet On through all, Claire, Rety go Bettest 396 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:31,639 family dollar three. They're getting busy again, all right, seems 397 00:16:31,679 --> 00:16:34,080 like the old swing ship days all over again. 398 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 7: Four years. 399 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 11: Yeah. You mentioned a minute ago that new Hall is married, 400 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:40,840 miss Jerry. Yeah, that's right. What about his west? Can 401 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:42,360 you tell us anything at all about her? 402 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 7: Betty? No, No, I don't think so. 403 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 11: Her and Joe seemed to get along all right along 404 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:47,679 pretty well. 405 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 7: Matter of fact, nice girl, Betty. I never minded her much. 406 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,759 The new Hal's have any children? 407 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 5: Do you know that? 408 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 7: No? No kid for them? Work her aunt Joe? 409 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 5: Uh huh. Would you know if new Half's wife is 410 00:16:59,039 --> 00:16:59,639 still working? 411 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 7: I don't know, probably is, but yeah, yeah, matter of 412 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,039 fact she is. Joe happened to mention it the other 413 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,599 night when we were talking. Just happen to think of it. 414 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 11: I go ahead, I remember I asked about Betty and 415 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:13,279 he said she was still working same old place, Sam 416 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,440 old job, that's all. 417 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: Where is this place she works? You know? 418 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 11: Yeah? 419 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:17,759 Speaker 7: City Hall. 420 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 5: We continued questioning Frank Curtis, and he told us that, 421 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,799 to the best of his knowledge, the suspect's wife, Betty 422 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,960 new Hall, had a civil service rating and that she'd 423 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,759 worked as a file charak in the record room of 424 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:31,480 one of the bureaus in the municipal government. Early the 425 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,039 next morning, Ben and I got in touch with the 426 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:35,720 civil service officials at the city hall. They got out 427 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,960 of tracer on the wife of the suspect eleven twenty am. 428 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:47,640 I got it follow theft Friday, Yessie Hazah, I didn't 429 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:53,279 hear it when Yeah, I see Yessie right. We'll check 430 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:56,039 within about an hour. Bye. I don't know why we 431 00:17:56,039 --> 00:17:57,799 always have to do it the hard way. Well, what 432 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,400 a call back on new Hall's wife. Most of checks 433 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,200 out just the way Curtis told us what Betty new 434 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,720 Hall quit her job a month ago, hasn't been around, 435 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:08,319 hasn't been seen since civil service can't even contact her, 436 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,400 what's the deal? She moved, no forwarding address, not a 437 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:32,599 trace of her. Saturday, February twenty third, the strongest lead 438 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,000 we'd had to the auto theft gang began to fade. 439 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:37,880 Missus Betty new Hall, the wife of our principal suspect, 440 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:40,400 wasn't to be found. We checked out all our known 441 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,839 friends and relatives, the places she was known to frequent. 442 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,200 There wasn't the trace of her. Ben got all the 443 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,680 available information on her from the Civil Service Office and 444 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,359 we got out a broadcast in the supplementary All Points bulletin. 445 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,759 We found out she had a ten year old son, 446 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,680 so we checked with the Board of Education to see 447 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,799 if the boy was registered in one of the city schools. 448 00:18:57,079 --> 00:19:00,680 It wasn't listed. Still no response. He stayed on it. 449 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:04,079 In the meantime, the weekend was wearing past the halfway point. 450 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:06,319 The other two teams of men working the case were 451 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,920 standing by, but apparently none of the private parties who 452 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,319 were running want ads over the weekend advertising the sale 453 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:14,160 of an automobile had been approached yet by either Joseph 454 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,200 Newhall or some other member of the gang. If they 455 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,000 did make a contact, it hadn't been reported to us. 456 00:19:20,039 --> 00:19:23,960 Saturday night, still no response. Eight to fifty pm. Ben 457 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,359 and I had some supper at Johnny Cochin's place and 458 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,079 then we went back to the office. 459 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: Not a bad man at all. Huh, it's pretty fair 460 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,960 for a Saturday night good soup. Yeah, there's nothing like 461 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,440 that corn chowder down and puts out. It's the best. 462 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 5: Sure we should do something about that coffee like taking 463 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,359 a shot of adrenaline, isn't it? 464 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,759 Speaker 3: It is pretty strong? And excuse me? Maybe this was 465 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:49,720 giving me this heart? Then where's Armsby? I thought he 466 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:51,920 was covering, so I he was here when I left 467 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:53,640 Joe Ben. 468 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 5: High Army thought we lost you and taking a call 469 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:56,799 from Hollywood Division. 470 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 3: Good piece of news. What's that new Haul's wife? 471 00:19:59,039 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 10: They found her. 472 00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 5: At approximately twenty five minutes past eight that night, a 473 00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:07,440 dark haired woman in her late thirties had brought a 474 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,279 young boy into a pharmacy in the Hollywood area. Apparently 475 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,640 the woman had been drinking, but she was not intoxicated. 476 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,319 The young boy with her, whom she identified as her 477 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,759 ten year old son, was badly cut and bruised about 478 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:20,359 the face and the head. The woman insisted that the 479 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,200 pharmacist on duty treat the boy and attend to his injuries. 480 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,440 After arguing with the woman, the pharmacist called the Hollywood 481 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,559 Receiving Hospital. An ambulance was dispatched, and the boy and 482 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,559 his mother were taken there for emergency treatment. At Hollywood 483 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:35,000 Receiving the woman gave her name as Betty Harrison and 484 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:38,480 her son's name was George Harrison, but a routine identification 485 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:41,079 checked by officers next door at the Hollywood Division station 486 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:44,640 disclosed her true name as Missus Betty Newhall. The desk 487 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,519 sergeant ordered her health for interrogation and notified our office 488 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:50,960 immediately nine thirty pm. Ben and I arrived at the 489 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,759 Hollywood Division. 490 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,319 Speaker 3: Her boy, George Missus Newhall, hadn't he happened to get 491 00:20:54,319 --> 00:20:56,720 beat up like that? Pretty bad for little Phone. 492 00:20:56,759 --> 00:20:59,279 Speaker 12: I warned Joe about hitting little George. I told him 493 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:00,880 if he did it again, I walk out. Well, I 494 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,519 did walk out. 495 00:21:01,599 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 9: I don't care what happens to him. 496 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 3: You mean the boy's father did that to him, beat 497 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,440 him up like that? 498 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 12: He's not George's father. Second marriage, my name is to 499 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,000 be Doneley. I had two kids, one died. 500 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 5: Uh huh. 501 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,319 Speaker 12: The divorce came through. I got custody as George and 502 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:14,519 I married Joe new Hall. 503 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,839 Speaker 5: You know why we're looking for your husband, Miss new. 504 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 9: Hall, Yeah, I think so. 505 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 5: Why do you think so? 506 00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 9: Car business? I knew what he was doing. 507 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:24,559 Speaker 3: Do you have any idea at or where we can 508 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:25,319 find your husband? 509 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 5: Not sure? 510 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 12: He might be a lot of places. Just can't get 511 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,640 over what he did to George. No reason at all. 512 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,720 Kid came home and asked if we could go to 513 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:35,720 the show. Husband got up and slapped him. Been drinking 514 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:38,400 quite a bit. He hit the kid with his closed fist. 515 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,720 Kept hitting a gown man, slugging a ten year old 516 00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:44,440 kid like that. I don't care about any man where 517 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,440 George is concerned, nobody he's gonna treat a kid of 518 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:46,920 mine like that. 519 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: You said you knew about your husband's dealing in the 520 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,319 car business, missus new Hall. How much do you know 521 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:51,680 about it? 522 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 9: I didn't have any part of it. 523 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 12: I can tell you that much was his idea from 524 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,079 the beginning of my husband's got the men together to 525 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:58,759 work the racket. 526 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 9: He made all the plans to get. 527 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 5: Why is it you quit your job at the city 528 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:03,079 hall in such a hurr? 529 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 12: My husband's idea, I guess he thought, if anything happened. 530 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,200 He didn't want to be traced that easy. Then he 531 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,440 had to go and get drunk that night cash that check. 532 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,000 He always did stupid things like that. 533 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,759 Speaker 5: How about the gang your husband has working with him? 534 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:16,759 Is new Hall can tell us anything about them? 535 00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 9: Yes? I can. 536 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:20,079 Speaker 12: Three fellas working with him. I know, I s Deadman 537 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,119 and Curly Reese and Jack Whitmore. Maybe there's someone else 538 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,359 besides them, but I don't know 'em. 539 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 3: You know where these men live, ma'am? Where we can 540 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:26,880 find 'em? 541 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 9: I think I do. Yeah, I got the dresses at 542 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,160 home by this time. 543 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,319 Speaker 3: They probably on the run, though, But you do know 544 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,079 the places they were supposed to be staying. 545 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, I got the addresses at home. 546 00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:37,519 Speaker 5: How about the cars they got on this deal they 547 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:38,920 were working? What are they doing with 'em? 548 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 11: You know? 549 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,079 Speaker 9: I don't know for sure? They were moving them east? 550 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,079 Speaker 12: I think selling them back there, yes, ma'am. Why is 551 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:45,799 it the woman who always gets the dirty end of 552 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,559 the deal? My first marriage and this one Joe Newhall 553 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:50,000 a thief, heavy handed crook. 554 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 9: Why can't I meet a decent man for a change? 555 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 5: And I wouldn't know 'em man, neither one of 'em. 556 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 9: They didn't like kids. They didn't want to have a home. 557 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,279 Why'd they have to be that way? 558 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 5: Well, I'd like to ask you something if they could? Yeah, 559 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:09,559 whyjer Merriam ten forty three pm. We stopped at the 560 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:11,799 new Hall apartment on the way back to the city Hall, 561 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,799 called the office and arranged for a stakeout. The wife 562 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:17,119 of the suspect, Betty Newhall, gave us the names and 563 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,200 addresses of the people she knew to be working with 564 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,720 her husband, Joseph Newhall, and the auto theft gang. She 565 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:24,920 had no information to offer on the cars they might 566 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,279 be driving. When we got to the office, we took 567 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:29,359 a complete statement for Missus Newhall and then she was 568 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,440 booked in at the main jail on suspicion as grand 569 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,440 theft Auto eleven h nine pm. Together with Wilson and Normsby, 570 00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:37,960 we started checking out the addresses of the gang members. 571 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,000 Our first two stops we got nothing. On our last 572 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,799 two we did a little better. We picked up a 573 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,200 Jack Whitmore, Curly Reese and a Carl Steedman, three of 574 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,680 the names which Missus Newhall had mentioned. We took them 575 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,839 downtown and booked them in at the main jail. That 576 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:54,119 still left the principal suspect, Joseph knew All unaccounted for 577 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,640 at one forty five am. The next morning, we got 578 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,839 a tip as to his whereabouts. It's a small hotel 579 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,559 in East first Street. We checked it out. The man 580 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:05,200 answering new Hall's description was registered in room two oh 581 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,079 nine on the second floor. We got a pass key 582 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:10,920 from the room clerk on duty and started up the stairs. 583 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:22,079 Speaker 3: Two o nine. It's down this way, Jim, all right, yeah, seven, 584 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:30,160 you know, yeah, see if we can get a rise. Yeah, yeah, 585 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:33,920 that's something in that. 586 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:39,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, police officers, so i'd hold up there, missus. 587 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: What is this? 588 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 5: Shake him down? Ben? 589 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? Hey, what is this? What's this all about? 590 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 5: You generally sleep with your clothes on New Haulork. 591 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 13: I don't know what you're talking about. What is this shakedown? 592 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,240 He's clean, Joe. I don't check his bad and I 593 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:51,799 stay out of those things. You haven't got any right 594 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:53,279 breaking in here like this, going through why. 595 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 5: Problems relaxed New Halls won't take long. 596 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: Two full pads of him, Joe find him in his suitcases. 597 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,480 Company checks Dan Barton juice because. 598 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 5: We talked to your friends, mister. We got one side 599 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,200 of the store you want to come downtown, give us yours. 600 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 13: You get nothing from me, not only see my lawyer. 601 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,119 You can't hold me on any churches, Grand. 602 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: Theft, Auto or new Hall. We've got the witnesses, we've 603 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,880 got the evidence. If you've got something to say, say it. 604 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,759 If you haven't, will get along downtown. You haven't got 605 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:15,240 anything on me. You haven't got enough to hold me 606 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,240 an hour. We're going to give it a try. 607 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 5: For a full five hours, we questioned new Hall both 608 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,519 at the hotel and later downtown in the interrogation room, 609 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:28,440 and after five hours of questioning, he finally broke and 610 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,480 admitted being the mastermind behind. 611 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,079 Speaker 3: The auto theft racket. Your true name is Joseph Woodard 612 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,400 new Hall. Is that right? Yeah, that's it now. 613 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 13: You can't blame the whole set up on me, though 614 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,799 my wife had a hand in it just as much 615 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,920 as I did. Well, we've already got her statement. You 616 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,759 want to give us yours, and she's just as much 617 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,920 to blame as I am. We didn't hurt anybody anyway. 618 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,200 It's just a con deal, that's all. We didn't hurt anybody. 619 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,799 Speaker 3: How do you figure that? Well, just a simple con deal. 620 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,759 Speaker 13: People advertising their cars for sale, are trying to cheat 621 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,960 out a few bucks on themselves. Were just outfigured on 622 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,240 that song. You're ready to dictate a statement for us. 623 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,440 You know we outfigured you two. You'd never reached us. 624 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,519 It wasn't from my wife. 625 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 3: We'd reach you if not in thirty years, you wouldn't. 626 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,240 Where'd you go in circles? 627 00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:08,039 Speaker 13: Just one hitch my wife and that stupid kidderage just 628 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:09,079 because I slapped. 629 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:10,519 Speaker 3: Him around a little. I wouldn't be here if it 630 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:11,000 wasn't for that. 631 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:13,839 Speaker 5: When you better learn a lesson, mister wife. Next time 632 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,359 you fight, don't pick a ten year old. 633 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names 634 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,640 were changed to protect the innocent. 635 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 4: On May twenty ninth, trial was held in Superior Court, 636 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,279 Department eighty seven, City and County of Los Angeles, State 637 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:36,920 of California. In a moment the results of that trial, 638 00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:49,160 a check off his fingerprints revealed that Joseph Newhall's true 639 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,839 name was Joseph Arren Henderson and that he had a 640 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,279 previous record of forgery and burglary in the state of 641 00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:58,400 South Carolina. Henderson alias Newhall, was tried and convicted along 642 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,200 with its associates in the Auto Theft gang on eight 643 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,440 counts of grand theft and forgery of a fictitious check. 644 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,640 They receive sentences as prescribed by law. Grand theft is 645 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,200 punishable by imprisonment for not less than one or more 646 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,039 than ten years. Forgery of a fictitious check is punishable 647 00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:18,480 by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than 648 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,279 one year or in the state penitentiary for not more 649 00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:25,039 than fourteen years. The wife, Betty Newhall, was convicted as 650 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,279 an accomplice and was sentenced to serve one year in 651 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:28,039 the county jail. 652 00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:32,039 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, our security and the peace of the 653 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,839 world are in danger, while hundreds of millions behind the 654 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,920 Iron Curtain are victims of vicious lies about the United 655 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,000 States and other free nations. Join the Crusade for Freedom 656 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,440 through your local Crusade Committee or by writing to General 657 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,599 Clay Empire State Building, New York City. Make a contribution 658 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,960 to its work. Help truth fight communism. 659 00:27:53,759 --> 00:28:04,599 Speaker 14: Join the Crusade for Freedom. 660 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,799 Speaker 4: You have just heard Dragnet a series of authentic cases 661 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,200 from official files. Technical advice comes from the Office of 662 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:14,640 Chief of Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department. 663 00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,279 Speaker 1: Welcome back. This is one of those episodes, and it's 664 00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:02,759 a bit of a theme in drag Net where criminals 665 00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:07,119 get caught not because they're terrible criminals, but because they're 666 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,720 terrible people who make enemies and will double cross or 667 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:17,400 abuse someone who decides to turn them in. I will 668 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,039 also say that I don't relate to the whole criminal 669 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,240 idea that you gave the police a good run and 670 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:27,400 bragging about how long you kept the police going. I mean, 671 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,759 if fits in to the psychology, but I don't claim 672 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,839 to understand it. When you undertake a life of crime, 673 00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:38,599 if you make a mistake, you lose. The big difference 674 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,599 is that he's going to spend a lot more time 675 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,759 in jail than if he'd been caught the first time. 676 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,880 That's the prize for being such a brilliant criminal in 677 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,440 giving the police such a run. And then, of course 678 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,119 you have the whole moral justification for this that people 679 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,759 who sell cars are trying to cheat because you think 680 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,440 you car dealers are entitled to a cut of the 681 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,960 sale price of a car, or maybe it's a belief 682 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,079 that everyone selling their car privately is trying to pull 683 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:15,799 a fast one in terms of overcharging or hiding facts. 684 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,200 You know, it's the sort of expectation that if you're dishonest, 685 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,440 then everyone else is. 686 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:20,839 Speaker 7: Well. 687 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: Now we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we're 688 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,200 gonna start out over on Spotify. We have a couple 689 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,559 of comments in the same vein A doctor who done 690 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,599 it wrote did my ears deceive me? Did Ben get 691 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,200 the zinger? At the end of this episode, way to 692 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:44,480 go Ben? And Peter writes Ben Romero got the last 693 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,319 word in this episode. I wonder how this happened. Did 694 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,880 Jack Webb lose a bet to Barton Yarborough? I think 695 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,720 it's the case with Barton Yarborough as opposed to Friday's 696 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:02,799 later longtime partners in Bill Ginn and Frank Smith, that 697 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:08,400 there's a sense in which he can be go Friday's 698 00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:14,599 equal in many ways in physicality, certainly that can be 699 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,440 seen in the very first TV episode of Dragnet, where 700 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:23,720 he is the one who goes around the ledge and 701 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:28,519 delivers the punch to the man holding the bomb, or 702 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,960 in terms of taking over the narrative. I think that 703 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:38,240 with both Frank Smith and Bill Ginn and there was 704 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,920 a sense in which they operated a little bit as 705 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,119 comic relief, not quite in the sense of Sergeant Tartaglia 706 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,400 over on Broadways my bait. But they were the types 707 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,920 who didn't really go in for physicality. They were lighter. Yeah, 708 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,920 Ben Alexander did have that fight scene in the nineteen 709 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,279 fifty for drag Net movie, but honestly that was a 710 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,960 bit of a stretch. So while they were latter roles, 711 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,160 there is a real sense in which Ben Romero is 712 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,880 just as much of a cop, just as much able 713 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,599 to carry on the narration and the logging of the 714 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,680 case when Friday got shot in the big Ben, So 715 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,799 can he deliver a closing singer? 716 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,319 Speaker 3: Sure? 717 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: And probably he's Joe Friday's only partner who actually could. 718 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,160 And then we have a comment from Mechanics sixty six, 719 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,559 who writes, what's Ernie going to gain by not giving 720 00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,359 up his partner? Being able to do time without a 721 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,559 snitch jacket? Going to prison as a guy who read 722 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,400 it out his partner means hard time and probably getting shift. 723 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,640 I don't know how two witnesses could think Arkansas and 724 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,640 Midwestern accents sounded the same. I thought the first one 725 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:04,160 was going to say he sounded like Romero. Virginia Gregg 726 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,960 played three parts. I wonder if they got paid extra 727 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,960 for that well, taking the questions or comments in reverse order. 728 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,880 I believe that everyone got union scale, which and most 729 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,200 of the radio actors really made their money just by 730 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,960 the sheer number programs that they were able to appear in. 731 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:28,200 I also thought when the witness said that the person 732 00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:32,960 talked funny, that you know, when Romero was doing the question, 733 00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:37,880 that she would reference that that Texas accent is such 734 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,920 a big part of who he is as a character, 735 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,920 and it's so rarely even mentioned or addressed. As to 736 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,119 Arkansas on Midwestern, that's a tough one. I don't know. 737 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,839 Maybe a lack of exposure to those areas of the country, 738 00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,640 that's the only thing I can think of. Although they 739 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,640 are all are some regions of some states that could 740 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,199 have kind of a twenty as sort of accent, like 741 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,960 if you had been from southern Ohio. Have heard quite 742 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,599 a few folks around Cincinnati with an accent that might 743 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,760 be classed in the Southern style if you weren't aware 744 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,280 of like the regional dialects. Then have a couple of 745 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,559 comments over on YouTube regarding the Big Waiter, which posted 746 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:37,760 on Thanksgiving, James writes, thank you Adam for making sure 747 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,800 we get our dragon neffects even on Thanksgiving. I hop 748 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,599 this video and I do so every chance I get 749 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,199 Thanks Day. I appreciate you mentioning the hot feature, which 750 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,360 is something newer on YouTube that you can do to 751 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,559 help your favorite videos perform well. And I appreciate everyone 752 00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,960 who does it with ours. Mark says, nice break from 753 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,639 too much Thanksgiving. Well, I'm glad that I'm able just 754 00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:08,920 to be there every day, even if I do take 755 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,320 the day off. And I was actually in Montana on 756 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:16,760 Thanksgiving Day this year, but we have everything recorded in advance, 757 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,159 so we're there as regularly scheduled. And then Mark Wrights, 758 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,480 these old radio shows are amazing history. And then we 759 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,719 had a comment over on the Great Detectives of Old 760 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,719 Time Radio website, and this one comes. And then a 761 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,079 comment from Dick over on the Great Detectives website regarding 762 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:44,239 the Big Crazy. So the husband's relatives will be lawyering 763 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,599 up and taking both the police and his vindictive sister 764 00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:52,440 in law to court over this wrongful death right bakevat 765 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,559 civil suit for driving him to suicide. The DEA ought 766 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,800 to be to look into investigating the sister in law 767 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,760 for criminal charges. Well, she clearly manipulated this situation and 768 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,960 may well have done so hoping for just this outcome. 769 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,480 That's some interesting speculation. I think that regarding the criminal case, 770 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,199 you're going to have an awful hard time proving intent. 771 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:24,280 I think that the police having signed off on the 772 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,960 plan would really make that hard. Been a civil case 773 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,559 against her, I think would be very difficult. I think 774 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,760 a case against the police, a civil case against the 775 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,800 police would definitely be brought these days. But this, of 776 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,639 course was long ago, and as Eric suggested, and I 777 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,599 would tend to agree, this was probably a lot earlier 778 00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,880 than the nineteen fifties. I don't think it was in 779 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,559 the nineteenth century, probably, but it wouldn't surprise me if 780 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:01,400 it was from the nineteen tens or nineteen twenties, where 781 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,360 you had a far less litigious society, particularly when it 782 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,159 came to these sort of lawsuits that you would bring 783 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,760 against a police department. Now, certainly there are lawyers out 784 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,480 in the audience. 785 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 5: I know that you listen. 786 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: I don't mean that in some sort of weird way. 787 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,159 I just mean it because people have emailed in and 788 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:25,639 identified themselves as members of the bar, as officers of 789 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,440 the court, although not in so many words, So anyway, 790 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,719 there are legal experts might have different opinions on whether 791 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,239 this would you know, if something like this, it's kind 792 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,480 of unimaginable that a modern police department would do. This 793 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,960 would have merit in a modern system, but I can't 794 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,119 imagine anything happening on the cistern law. You just really 795 00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:54,920 would have to read minds and make assumptions. And I 796 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,159 don't see how you could establish that she had the 797 00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:02,440 state of mind that you suspect. But thanks so much, 798 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,159 appreciate the comment. Now it's time to thank our Patreon 799 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,159 supporter of the day, and I want to thank Tony, 800 00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:11,880 Patreon supporter since March twenty twenty three, currently supporting the 801 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,199 podcast at the Shawmus level of four dollars or more 802 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,719 per month. Thanks so much for your support, Tony, and 803 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,880 that will do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, 804 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,239 please follow us using your favorite podcast software and be 805 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,239 sure to rate and review the podcast wherever you download 806 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,920 it from. We'll be back next Thursday with another episode 807 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,639 of Dragging That, But join us back here tomorrow for 808 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,239 yours truly Johnny Dollar, where. 809 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 15: It's almost as though you suspected somebody OF's murdering rays 810 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,239 it is the possibility, isn't it? Of course not who 811 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,159 several people like you. This is a few years of 812 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,320 a half baked marriage and struggling along. How you can 813 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,079 call wondering in Florida's struggle, I don't know. 814 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 9: I told you time to make it right. 815 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,079 Speaker 15: Call well, now, long is the business now that it's 816 00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:58,039 suddenly begin to process. 817 00:38:58,119 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 9: I'm just trying to say that. 818 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 15: And they all might still care for you, but look 819 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,639 pretty suspicious. Good, you don't know what you're talking about about, 820 00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,719 Walt Bascom. It's pretty unusual one an insurance man. It's 821 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,840 so anxious to spend the company's money. But then if 822 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,360 he has intentions towards the beneficiary of the policy. 823 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 8: As this is. 824 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,599 Speaker 15: Terrible, you're saying, I won't let you. 825 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 6: I won't stand for this. 826 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 15: Well, oh, now come on, put that thing down right cough. 827 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 3: I thought you'd come here instead of going after the mountain. 828 00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 15: You know, everything you said was possible, dollar possible, but 829 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,880 not true. And I won't stand for you or anyone 830 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,840 else tormenting this fear this way. She's been through more 831 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,239 than she deserves as it is, and I'm not gonna 832 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,800 stand still while some stupid insurance. Dick makes her tear 833 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,679 her heart on right, cough and put that thing away, 834 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:46,800 and you get out of here. Just put yourself in 835 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,599 my foot I have. That's why I said, all those 836 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,440 wild theories of yours are possible, all of them. All 837 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,440 three of us have plenty the game with Ray Sheldon 838 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,039 out of the way, especially me, because in the long run, 839 00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,320 I stand to benefit most. And I'd be number one 840 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,760 suspect because I was the last one to see Ray, 841 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:03,519 the only one who was with him when he died, 842 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,480 the only one who could have murdered him. 843 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 6: But and this is a big. 844 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,079 Speaker 15: Bunt dollar, I had killed Ray Sheldon, neither you nor 845 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,199 anybody else would ever be able to prove it. 846 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,079 Speaker 1: Oh, you'll be with us then in the meantime, send 847 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,159 your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 848 00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,679 follow us on Twitter, Radio Detectives, and check us out 849 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,360 on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 850 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,320 This is your host, Adam Graham. Sign and off.