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Speaker 1: What is up Fellasiko's I Am Dan Valley coming at

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you with the One the Only mort Yentsen of the

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NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, Fame, of Forbes Fame,

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and of Only Fans Celebrity. We are gonna do go

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through our biggest questions for every team in the NBA

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in the off season over the next few weeks. We're

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gonna roll them out by divisions that we can really

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get into, just some nitty gritty stuff. Spend a few

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extra minutes rather than having to do like two or

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three minutes on each team. These will be great companion

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episodes to Grant and myself are previewing the off season

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for every single team individually. Go check out those podcasts,

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those videos, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your stuff,

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and podcast description with sixty seconds of that out of

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the way, more, how the heck are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I just want to give the listeners

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a follow up here because you know, also if you

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do all the things that Dan just said, remember if

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you meet Dan in the streets, give them a hug,

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give them a kiss with tongue if necessary. Just be polite,

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be good, give all you can for this great person

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who makes a shits on a great content.

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Speaker 1: You're making me blush right now, So I just want

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to say thank you. Did you have any thoughts or

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wanted to note anything about how we went about this?

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We prepared our own question for each team, just our

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biggest question that we're sort of ruminating on. Is there

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anything you want to note about your approach?

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Speaker 2: Well, they're overarching really, like you know, they're always going

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to be like nitty gritty questions that fan bases are

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looking at. But I'm going to take the major questions instead.

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Not because it's just the popular question to ask, because

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I think if you start big, we can always dick

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down small instead. I think that's the better.

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Speaker 1: Approach, which a spoil alert. That's kind of how I

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approach this. So you sent me your questions, so I

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decided some of them I had like the same ones,

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and so I was like, well, I'm gonna go a

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little bit more micro where he goes macro, and I

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think that'll provide a nice little balance for us. And

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with that in mind, how do we feel about getting

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started with We didn't note this yet, but it'll be

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in the title. So you should know the Southwest Division

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the Dallas Mavericks mort what is your biggest question? Tell

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the audience.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously we know whether we know the

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answer to this question. From our perspective, it is should

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you keep the number one pick or should you trade it?

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We would like the Dallas Mavericks to keep it, because

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that's the smart play. However, I will concede here that

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the question is valid because you traded away Luka Dantic

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and you said we are in it to win it now,

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like our window is right now. We feel that we

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are a more competitive group now than before when we

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had Luka Doncic first and foremost. That is obviously wrong,

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but that's what they said. And in order for them

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to not lose face, which Dan, you and I know

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how much NBA teams care about not losing face, you

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at least have to have the conversation about would we

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lose faith face if we actually go out there and

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pick a teenager, because that's going to set back our

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timeline and it's going to make us essentially liars for

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the whole reason for why we traded away Luka Dootcic.

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So that's why I'm asking keep the number one pick

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or traded.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's a fair question based off how

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the MAVs have operated. I do believe they'll keep They've

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said the rumors are that they will keep it, and

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I would be shocked if they didn't. I don't even

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know the player that you would move. The pick for

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Giannis is the one that is mentioned, and I just

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even you could tell me it's anyone. Basically, Joanness would

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be he's a top three, top live NBA player. You

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just traded away one of those two. But that's neither

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here nor there. Kyrie's gonna be out until January or whatever.

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So I just feel like making that type of a

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home run swing would be ill conceived. So and look,

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if you believe that flag and the other thing, by

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the way, like Nico Harrison was harping on you know,

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wouldn't it have been hysterical at Jaron Jackson Junior been

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super Max eligible when he got the super Max when

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the MAVs didn't want to give it to Luca. That

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would have just been such a weird juxtaposition. But Nico

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contracts or not wanting to pay certain types of guys.

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Cooper flag on a rookie scale. We fill throughout rookie

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scales when we do best contracts in the league, but

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it has the potential to just be one of the

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two or three best contracts in the league because his

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cost is so repressed relative to the salary cap. I

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would be honestly floored if they looked at moving the pick.

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And to be honest, even more honest, like someone's head

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needs to roll if they trade the pick, they need

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to the Dumonts need to sell the team. Nico Harrison

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needs to, Like I just don't. I don't even know

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that trading for Gianness would be the right decision here.

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I would rather see them be trading Anthony Davis because

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they won the number one pick, which I also don't

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think that they're gonna do right.

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Speaker 2: No, look, you and our agreement. They should do this.

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They should basically say, look, we were starting over. But

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that's the thing. They're not gonna do that. They're gonna

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try to have one foot in each camp. Right, You're

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gonna have a foot in the nineteen year old Cooper

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flank camp and then another foot in the Anthony Davis

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Kyrie Irving camp, and nothing's gonna make sense. So I'm wondering, like,

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this is basically the best excuse for any organization to say, oh,

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we can reset our timeline. I wonder how long it

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will take for this. Let's just be completely honest here

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incompetent franchise to realize when is the time? Wait, like,

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should we do this now?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: You should. You should basically trade Anthony Davis right now.

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It's not gonna happen, But I think it's an interesting subplot,

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and like if they are married to the idea of

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Anthony Davis, because I think, again, there's a pr battle

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to lose here if you're pivoting off Davis and then

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right after having making making a big fuss about oh

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he's better than Luca, he's like the guy who's like

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better to get in here. By the way, side note,

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the real Madrid game the other day. I don't know

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if you saw the picks.

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Speaker 1: Was he with like the Yok brothers or something. I

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don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well it's not but dudes in shape. Dude's big time

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in shape, like proper in shape. That's as a very

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funny subplot to be by the way.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the biggest off season addition for the Lakers

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will be Luka Doncic having visible abs that will be

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called right exactly.

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Speaker 2: So, like I this is just such a weird team,

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like they're they're they like Nico Harrison turned them so weird.

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step here. Can we justify to the fan base to

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trade like Anthony Davis, look the whatever you do, By

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the way, if you're Nico Harrison, the fan base still

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wants you gone. Like that's and that's never gonna turn so.

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But like, I just think it's such a weird position

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they found themselves in.

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Speaker 1: So we're both in agreement that they should keep the pick.

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I actually believe they will do. You believe they will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think cooler heads will prevail.

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Speaker 1: Yes, What I want to know then, can they get

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another primary ball handler? Do they have the assets to

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do so, do they have the gall to do so?

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And can they game it so that whoever they acquire

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can play alongside Kyrie Irving when he comes back? And

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I think, look, I know the Kyrie contract, the player option,

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that might be something people want to dig into and

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Grant and I will get into it when we do

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the MAVs offseason look ahead, but like, he's not going anywhere.

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I don't know what the contract looks like, but he's

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going to be on the Dallas Mavericks next season. So

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I just find that not as intellectually curious as well

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this team needs. I mean, maybe they give a lot,

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like they can plumb the depths of what Cooper Flag

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could do in that role, But if you want to

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be competitive right away while also having Cooper Flag, I

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don't think you want to put that type of responsibility

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on his shoulders alone.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Mark Stein has apparently mentioned, oh, let me see

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if I get this right?

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Speaker 1: Hang on, Oh, I can tell you who we mentioned?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have it here. Drew Holliday, Chris Paul and

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Lonzo ball Alnso is by far the most intriguing option,

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also from a financial perspective because he's only earning like

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ten million I believe it is next season, and he's

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like the big guard. Also defensively orient oriented. He can

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play make you can play him with multiple ballhandlers. The

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thing about him, obviously is the same question that hovers

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around Anthony Davis and even Kyrie Irving to this extent

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now is availability Can he play over the course of

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a full season or is he limited to playing twenty

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five thirty five games at this point, If Lonzo settles

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in for forty one games, like half a season, that's

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a win in my book. So again comes down to

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like what are you what are your expectations? Also financially

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because Drew Holliday is gonna cost a ton on the books.

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He said, like what forty four forty five million per year?

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Speaker 1: He like the defense that he fits their defensive most

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even he could play off Kyrie. And what I'd be

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worried about with Lonzo is that feels like to me

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an accessory move because even if he's healthy, how many

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minutes can he play?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, and that's a legitimate question. What I'm asking

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you is, if you're going after jew Holiday, what's the

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deal like? Because yeah, so I have a deal. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Wrote about one before this report came out. So is

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this based off my speculation? Who's to say?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: Am I mark Stein's insider? I'm not, but maybe I am.

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Who knows? So it would be you would have to

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involve a third team because neither the Mavericks or the

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the Celtics are gonna want to be hard cap or

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take back more money than they send out, and they

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functionally the Celtics cannot do that, right, So Dwight Powell

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that four million dollar player option, you go. He goes

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to the Nets and they get Portland's twenty twenty six

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second round pick. I think the Celtics have that as

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part of the deal. The MAVs send PJ. Washington and

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Daniel Gafford to Boston, and then Drew Holiday goes to Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you bring me the names again, PJ. Washington and who?

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Speaker 1: And you have Gafford to Boston for Drew Holliday and

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both of those guys for anyone wondering they are on

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expiring contracts. And then My thought process there, just really quickly,

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is that doesn't really save Boston a lot of money.

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Washington soaking up the Jason Tatum defensive minutes like just

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positionally makes a lot of sense. But I also think

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you've now broken up Drew Holliday into smaller contracts that

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can then be moved individually for more value and save

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you additional money.

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Speaker 2: That's my It's a lot of size you lose there,

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but like you're getting Cooper Flag in there as well,

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so perhaps it's enough for Dallas. I mean, you have

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Dreck Lively right now.

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Speaker 1: I want to be clear, I don't think PJ. Washington

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is suddenly expendable, but if you have Cooper Flag, Naji Marshall,

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Anthony Davis, Derek Lively, you can probably stand like you

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would be able to survive getting rid of Gafford and PJ. Washington.

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contract is that much underwater, that's where it gets hung up.

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don't move him, and then PJ. Washington's eligible for a

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four year I think it's like an eighty nine million

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dollar extension, which is that's fine money for him, But again,

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you have a d when you have Cooper Flag?

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, I don't hate it. If there was

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a cheaper option out there, I wouldn't hate exploring that.

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But that's not a bad deal for Drew at all.

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Speaker 1: And I don't really have I mean, like, there are

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other names they could try, and I'm trying to think

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of like super cheap, but I don't This isn't something

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they're going to fix by Oh, we got Tias Jones

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at the minimum. I guess Chris Paul would make a

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lot of sense. I don't want to see him playing

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with Kyrie too much, though. Maybe they have the defensive

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infrastructure at this point to cover up for him. But

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Chris Paul would be kind of as a stop gap

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if you're using the mini mL or if he's agreeing

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to come for the minimum. That would certainly like that

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streamlines Cooper Flag's development, allows you to get Anthony Davis

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the ball on the spots that he needs to get them.

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I like that one. Maybe that one feels like the

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one that straddles the best, the most amount of ground

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where it's temporary, but.

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Speaker 2: Its he loves speaking.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, we're gonna get to the spurs. But

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if they have Steph Castle dearon Fox and Dylan Harper

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on their team.

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Speaker 2: Oh we'll get to it. I have its take, I

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have its take.

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Speaker 1: Anything else on the maverage or any names you want,

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Kobe White would be interesting, but he's about to get

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paid and cost a lot in assets and playing him

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and Kyrie you could.

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Speaker 2: I do think he's gonna No, look again, the bulls

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are are stuck here. No I'm not. That wasn't That

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wasn't one of my rands that the bulls are stuck

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is basically what I'm saying. They they know that they

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had to basically let him go into under su Tree

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Agency in twenty twenty six. He's only got one year left.

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They could have cashed in big time at the tradead line.

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I think they cost themselves, like they made the same

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mistake with Caruso and like all they got back from

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Caruso was Josh giddeyon nothing. So like I think teams

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out there are not going to overpay for Kobe White

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because of the contractual situation, because if you trade for

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Kobe White, now you're facing the same issue that Chicago is. Yeah,

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so he's not gonna cost you. It's on.

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Speaker 1: I think that is fair, and I do think it

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will end with them either moving him for dissatisfactory value

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or they end up paying his next deal that does

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not age correct. Well, that would be my official prediction.

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Any other names you'd want to throw off, But I

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think I guess we didn't really answer the question. Do

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you think that they will go out and get, like

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be aggressive enough to get someone who is, oh, it's

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not just oh we got Trey Jones or we got

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Tias Jones, like it's someone who makes more of an

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impact of that. Or do you expect them more to

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just kind of balance their cap sheet out and buy

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time until Kyrie gets back.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely think they're gonna look for a serious ballhank,

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because look, Kyrie is also on the older side as

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an NBA player, and that is a horrific injury. Like

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we don't know whether how he comes back from that

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at that age. Like if a young guy gets an aclsair, okay,

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look that now it shows that at most come back

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and are fine at that age, with a lot of

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mileage on him as well. I just don't think we

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can sit here and assume that he'll be himself. We

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can hope so, but we can't assume. And I don't

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think the Mats are either.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to our next team, which we're gonna

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go alphabetically here. The Houston Rockets maybe the single most

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fascinating team of the offseason, or at least one of

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the five most. I'm gonna steal this. Well, let's go

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with here a quote you took the overarching stuff, which

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is fun to talk about. So what is your question

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for Houston?

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Speaker 2: The big question is is it time to trade for

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a star or should they just run the course as

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they did this season? And the reason I ask it

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is because they had this conversation brewing even last summer

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as well, and I was one of the few people

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who are like, don't don't make a trade right now.

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See what happens with your young team, See if there

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are any developments that actually make you smarter about your

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own players and makes it much more obvious who's like

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in for the long haul and who shouldn't be. I

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think they're smarter. I think they know who they are.

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I think they've identified certain players who are absolute keepers

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or who has the most trade value of depending on

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how you want to look at it. So they are

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at a point now where they have to figure out

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do we try to take like one aggressive step forward

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and trade for a real star, or just do we

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keep this train trucking.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's an enviable position to be in. It's

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not an easy one because I think there's cases to

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be made on both sides. And as someone who's taking

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the ten thousand foot view of it all, I would say,

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I don't want to see them go balls to the

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wall for the wrong player, just any player, right. But

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look at like I keep coming back to this, these

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windows always just shut way sooner than you think, even

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if you don't make the all in. Look at Boston

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like they kind of that was an extended window, and

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they like they reshaped it over time. The Jason Tatum

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injury happens, and now their next two seasons maybe just

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because you don't know what you have to figure out

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what Tatum looks like when he comes back in twenty

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six twenty seven, that could be out the window and

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force a reorientation of their entire roster, so you don't

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just want to sit and bank on you getting to

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the point where we could beat the Thunder in a series.

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We have enough offensive creation, Like that's the thing is

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you look at their offensive numbers. They need shooting someone

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who can kind of run things for them. But the

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issue that I keep coming back to with them, while

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I think that I would be a little bit more

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desperate if I'm in Houston situation, to me, there's nobody

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on the roster that checks the boxes that they need

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and the only one who comes close. And this kind

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of gets into my question, it's Read Shepherd, And can

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you just say, hey, Read Shepherd's gonna play a bunch

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next year if you're not playing this year and good

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to be the exact player that we need. As a

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Reed Shepherd optimist, I don't know that I would even

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say that. So that's what's really tough is that, Okay,

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they have so much at their disposal. There's still so

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much room for these guys to grow. But Rockets fans

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can get in the comments. They could let me know, like,

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who is the player that you think aside from Reed Shepherd,

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who if that's the plan for next season that's really

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I'll support it because I love Reed Shepherd, but like

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that's really risky. Who is the player on this team

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that you think is going to turn into the guy

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that can run a playoff level above average offense, Because

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it's not like Shane Goon has his limitations there. You

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need someone else who works from the outside in. And

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if you still think Jalen Green is going to be

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the answer, I need to know which basketball you're watching

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that I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. And of course aman Thompson still we still

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have the overarching questions about his shooting capabilities. Like he's

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obviously fantastic. I would argue right now, he's probably the

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best player on the team defensively, is super a budding

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super are one of the best slashers in the NBA,

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one of the most ridiculous athletes we've probably seen in years.

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But like, does he have the floor game? That's that's

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what I have.

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Speaker 1: And even if he does, and I know they are

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different players in many different functional ways, but like that's

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kind of like, oh, Yannis, and I don't think you

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even want Yannis to be the guy who's driving your

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half court offense in the playoffs, Like you're okay with it, Like, no,

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that's why they traded for Dame and that we could

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you know, you know, we don't need to relitigate that.

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I was in support of the move when they did it.

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It was obviously risky. But like, even if I'm Thompson

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hits his ninety nine percentile outcome, I don't think that

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includes like someone who's hitting these pull up jumpers and

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hit these three pointers. Like, we just don't see guys

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improve in volume and efficiency by such stark margins when

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when it's such an inherent limitation of their game. That's

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not insult him. Jannis Tetakoupo is one of the five

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most valuable players in the NBA for like the past

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half the past decade, So I would again, I'm not

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whether you think it's Devin Booker. Should they go after

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Kevin Durant? Is there any names that you think fly

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under the radar there?

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Speaker 2: I just stolen stole my name. That was book book

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is the because that's he's the guy with the floor game.

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He's the guy who I think you can ask to

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create a substantial amount of work off the bounds, not

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as not because he's the point guard, but because he's

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a good decision maker, like he can play ping and role,

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he can initiate the offense, and he can also play

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off the ball. He can also be a guy who

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goes out and gets you literally seventy because we've seen

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him before. He's that dude, And that would be the

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fun acquisition for the Rockets. The question of course, there

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being what's the deal? Because if you give up half

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the roster, do you just become the new Sons. You

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don't want to do that, and that's that I think

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is honestly the biggest threat to this whole situation of

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you know, trading for a star. Do you give up

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too much? Do you give up like half the farm?

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And are what and are suddenly left with too few

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players on the roster where it makes sense? That's where

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you go get into like oh did we just did

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we just over course correct? There has to be a

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middle ground in terms of who you're getting.

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Speaker 1: I don't and I don't know if even Booker is

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that option, because I guess you could argue that since

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they own two of the like control some of the

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Suns' own draft, it would maybe be easier to get

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him for less net assets than if you were trading

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for somebody else, but like it also could just call

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you a crap ton, and it's you know, do you

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kind of look at is there a player that straddles

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the middle ground of this is gonna cost us not

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for first round picks or something. And I think that's

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the tricky part of all this is because there's probably

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no like they would be if you could get this

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player for its Oh like no, this wasn't the Donovan

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Mitchell package. This was more like I'm trying to think

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of like which star was just traded for kind of

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a blah return, almost like luk at that's so mean,

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Anthony Davis. But it's also true. But if Trey Young

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would be the middle ground to where he's so ball dominant,

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sure they can insulate him defensively, and no, would he

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be my first choice. No, But if it's oh, Atlanta

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just wants like two firsts or something, then a young player,

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then that's that's a lot more appealing than four first

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round picks and young players for Devin Booker, plus making

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the salaries work.

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Speaker 2: So making the salaries work. I was looking at that

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at this, uh, Dylan Brooks and Jalen Green, that was

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the deal I was thinking of. Unfortunately, it seems as

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though that is not doable because the Suns will take

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on more money.

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Speaker 1: Basically, any trade they make is just gonna rope in

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like a third and fourth team to take on money

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with Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: It has to like there's no other way to go

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about this.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's anything to the effect of what

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if they just brought in a shooter that would crack

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their rotation, their playoff rotation. Do you think that provides

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enough of the outlet to where, hey, we don't need

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to go make the meg where Cam Johnson would be

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a good example here, and then it's Kobe White would

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be Honestly, he might be perfect. You have to you

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now to deal with his next contract at a time

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where okay, is Shane Goon still on the books and

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then Jabari Smith Junior and Tarisan have new deals that

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are coming up. But yeah, he would be and that

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shouldn't cost you nearly as much as a Devin Booker,

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as a Kevin Durant, as a Trey Young, the whole nine.

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Speaker 2: He's obviously not on that level as the players should

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just mention, but he's like closer to it, you know,

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from a financial perspective at least where it makes sense

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to go after him and questions for me, Oh right, sorry, no, no, no, no,

478
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,119
go ahead.

479
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: Because what it leads me to ask, and it's I've

480
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,319
asked this question about the Magic, the Orlando Magic before.

481
00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:49,720
How good does the offense? Does? Does the primary offensive

482
00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:51,759
upgrade need to be to get the rockets to where

483
00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,279
they need to go? And what I know that's a

484
00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:55,640
convoluted way of saying it, but it's could you trade

485
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,640
for Kobe White and then just win the title next year?

486
00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:01,119
Or if you want to enter that inner circle, does

487
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,599
it need to be someone who is actually on that

488
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,240
All Star All NBA level.

489
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: Well, So to answer that question, I need to ask

490
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,599
you a question first, will Jalen Green still be on

491
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,200
the roster? Because and that sounds like a horrible way

492
00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:20,720
to like initiate this conversation, but like, if you have

493
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,200
serious aspirations of winning an NBA championship, one of the

494
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,400
foundational mainstays in all NBA championship winners is that you

495
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,160
have a significant portion of players who are significantly outperforming

496
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,359
their contracts, meaning that their output production whatever you want

497
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,559
to call it, is flat out worth more than what

498
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:46,039
they're being compensated personally. Now, Jalen Green is gonna earn

499
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,279
thirty three point three million dollars next year, then thirty

500
00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:54,960
six million dollars after that. Is there any world wherein

501
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,279
he does not immediately become a net negative in terms

502
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:07,319
of like the production slash compensation ratio. I would make

503
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,759
it a priority if I get Kobe White in there

504
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,079
to find a new home for Jalen.

505
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,599
Speaker 1: I think I might make it a priority in like

506
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,599
any type short of I guess if they go the

507
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,839
Yannis route, you don't need to prioritize that as much.

508
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,839
But I don't think his contract will be so underwater that, oh,

509
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,319
we need first round picks to take it on. But no,

510
00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:30,119
no inserting it into a deal. It's not part I

511
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,799
don't think it's part of the outgoing value to another team, right.

512
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of where I'm at, Because if

513
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,039
you are entering next season with Jalen Green earning thirty

514
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:47,160
three million and you have championship aspirations, financially speaking, you're

515
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:50,440
gonna be in for a hard time that like you're like,

516
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,319
you're gonna put so much pressure on every single rookie

517
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,079
contract left on that roster to like play at a

518
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:04,880
ridiculous level above their compensation model. Same with the Shin Gooon. Honestly, yeah,

519
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,880
that is a good point.

520
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: I want to get to my question, which I think

521
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,680
it bleeds into what we're talking about. Are any of

522
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,079
the younger guys no longer part of the future plans?

523
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:17,519
And I think you mentioned Jalen Green, Yeah, there's I

524
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:20,599
think you know, Jabari Smith Junior and Tari Easton are

525
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:22,720
both extension eligible. And when you look at kind of

526
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:24,400
how the Rockets were playing where we saw we saw

527
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,519
a lot of triple big stuff or quad big depending

528
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,839
on how you feel about like Tari Easton playing. Is

529
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,960
Jabari Smith Junior any less important if you think that

530
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,480
they're going to bring back Steven Adams and run that

531
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:36,119
way or is it just having Aman Thompson there? There's

532
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,839
also how important would Jabari Smith Junior be moving forward anyway?

533
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,240
That's the name that I would circle, along with Cam Whitmore.

534
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,440
Is sort of not that they need to get rid

535
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,720
of these guys, but as you're thinking about their next

536
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:52,039
contracts coming up, are they willing to move them for what?

537
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,480
Like what here's a good example, would you move Jabari

538
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,960
Smith Junior is part of a Kevin Durant deal Kevin

539
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,759
Durant's older, But yeah, Smith Junior feels I think Barrs

540
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:04,799
Smith Junior is really good, I want to make that clear,

541
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:09,200
but he feels somewhat superfluous on this roster. I don't

542
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,519
want to say dispensable because that just has the negative connotation.

543
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:13,960
So like those are kind of the names. And then

544
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,519
also not that they should give up on this guy,

545
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,240
but like, what is the plan with Reed Shepherd? Because

546
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,839
you have immediate aspirations, he doesn't have the runway to

547
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,880
develop like some of these other guys did. And we

548
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,759
know that the Rockets have brought in basically all of

549
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:31,279
their young guys along fairly. Jalen Green's like the lone exception.

550
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:33,519
I feel like he was inserted into the fire right away.

551
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,839
But everyone else, I'm and Thompson, Alphahin, Shangun, Cam Whitmore,

552
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:40,240
maybe Jabar Smith Junior not so much, like a lot

553
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:44,319
of these guys have come along gradually. Can you how

554
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,519
do you integrate Reed Shepherd into a team that might

555
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,480
just be good enough to contend for a title. That's

556
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:49,279
really challenging.

557
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: So you and I differ on our love for Jabari

558
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,400
Smith Junior. I think I'm lower on him than you are,

559
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,480
so I would not have any issues pivoting off of him.

560
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,319
I think, you know, some people are basically saying, oh, well,

561
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,880
he could be a superior version the Laurie market, and

562
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,640
you're Lauri marketing with defense. I just don't think we've

563
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,559
seen the offensive volume to a point where over the

564
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,079
course of three seasons, by the way, in two hundred games,

565
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,920
that's not nothing, to a point where I feel comfortable,

566
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,599
you know, penciling him in as a major offensive contributor, Like,

567
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,880
do I think there's defensive upside? Yes? I do. Do

568
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,319
I think he struggles with other big man stuff. Do

569
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,960
I think his rebounding is meh, absolutely. Do I think

570
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,640
he hits enough threes to be worth the squeeze? Nope?

571
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,440
Not really. Does he hit enough of his two pointers

572
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,359
to be worth it? Nope? Not either. Like, there are

573
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,640
just so many red flags to a point where I'm

574
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,359
just I'm pretty out on him as like a major

575
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,200
component to an offensive structure. So if you include him

576
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,839
in a deal, and if a receiving team looks at

577
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,519
Jabari Smith and go, oh my god, that's a tremendous asset.

578
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,839
Pull that trigger immediately if you're in Houston. That's where

579
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:09,880
I'm at. As for Cam Whitmore, I just want to

580
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,359
get this thing to through because there are teams out there.

581
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,440
There are a lot of teams out there that should

582
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:19,680
be calling the rockets about Cam Widmore. The thing is

583
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,119
they because they can't sit there and say, oh, well,

584
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,160
we love Cam like he's a major piece of what

585
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,359
we're doing. No he's not. He played sixteen damn minutes

586
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,839
this year. No he's not. Like the counter argument is

587
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,599
right there. You didn't even utilize him. He should have

588
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:36,079
played over Jalen Green for extended stretches this year. He

589
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,960
didn't like if there should be twenty teams out there

590
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,559
at least calling the rockets and asking about Kim Widmore.

591
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's super tantalizing. It does feel like I don't

592
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,880
know how dynamic he stands to be. Like the passing

593
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,759
on offense and then that the shot isn't falling, his

594
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,519
value just becomes all over them. I mean, you can

595
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,039
say that about a lot of players, but I don't.

596
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jabebarsmith, you can say that about as well.

597
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, because Jabari Smith Junior brings more defensive value

598
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,960
than cam went Moore.

599
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,599
Speaker 2: That is true. I was talking about the passing, all right.

600
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so by the way, Javari Smith Junior specifically, I

601
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,920
would just like to see him in a better spacing environment,

602
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,160
and I think that we would see him.

603
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,119
Speaker 2: That's fair, I will give you that. It's just I

604
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,559
I just can't ignore two hundred plus games of data

605
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,039
and six and a half thousand minutes. I don't think

606
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:26,359
we're getting there, right.

607
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to be an All Star,

608
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,599
but I would love to see him. Not that I'm

609
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,519
rooting for him to leave, but like if they could

610
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,079
get more shooting or someone that could deliver him the ball,

611
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:37,599
like more like that's just not Fred van Fleet, Jaollen

612
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200
Green Read Shepherd. Maybe not yet. I would just love

613
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,599
to see him in that type of role, whether it's

614
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,519
Houston or elsewhere.

615
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, don't get me wrong. He's gonna he

616
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,799
would be better in a lot of different situations. I'm

617
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,759
not arguing otherwise. I'm just asking what the actual ceiling

618
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:54,279
here is because it's like, okay, so with the caveat

619
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,839
and unless he ends up in Denver next to Jokich,

620
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,559
where he would blossom as hell, because that's just Whatmal.

621
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: Murray, that is Houston interested in him. No, look, he's

622
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:09,960
not a bad fit for this roster.

623
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:13,519
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying Jamal Murray without without joke, we've

624
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:15,400
not we've not really seen it.

625
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: That's we've seen it in different It's not pretty for

626
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,839
the most part, right.

627
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: No, But like I just it's what it boils down to.

628
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:31,599
All of this is identification, Like who do we believe

629
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,200
moving forward is worth more than whatever we're being offered?

630
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:40,279
Right Like, look, every single team right now probably has

631
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:43,279
a standing offer for Aman Thompson and the Rockets are

632
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:46,920
rightfully saying no, thank you. But if that one offer

633
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:50,599
comes in where they estimate his value, oh sorry, the

634
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,599
return to be over his value, Yeah, pull the trigger.

635
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,400
That I think that has to be the approach on

636
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,119
like an individual basis.

637
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: That is that's fair. They need to figure out, like

638
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,640
what does their identity as a team on offense want

639
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,960
to look like? Yeah, And that's that's what's so tough here.

640
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,519
But it's a good position to be in because they

641
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:10,960
have a lot of assets, They have a lot of

642
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,759
intriguing young players, but they're now tasked with kind of

643
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:15,880
the toughest part of this whole progress, which is going

644
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,160
from good to great, and my personal belief. To wrap

645
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,400
this up, I don't think they get there strictly by

646
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,039
banking on internal development. I think this we could debate

647
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:27,680
about the level of the player coming in. I think

648
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,400
Kobe White is good enough to make a difference. As

649
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,359
an example, a fringe like like you could throw Anthony

650
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,279
Simon's on this roster. Maybe you want someone who's a

651
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,480
little bit better of a passer, but that's someone else

652
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,440
that I think comes in and am I picking the

653
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:41,720
rockets to win the title? No, but he gives you

654
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,559
more of an even keel presence than Jalen Green as

655
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:45,119
an example.

656
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: Do you trade Reed Cheer straight up for Kobe White?

657
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: Ooh? I mean, if I'm the Bulls, I'm bouncing on that.

658
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:56,720
I think, knowing that Kobe White's gonna leave, but they're

659
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,880
about to pay Josh Giddy, so Red Shepherd's career probably

660
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,599
gets ruined in Chicago. Unfortunately, Man, I probably can't just

661
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,799
because of the Kobe White contract coming after this. If

662
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,640
it was, if you're talking, could we rewind and would

663
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,599
you trade Read Shepherd straight up at the deadline for

664
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Kobe White, then I think you have to consider it,

665
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,559
But no, I couldn't. I am, But I also would

666
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:18,319
you do it because we know that I'm just higher

667
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:20,799
on Read Shepherd, I think than consensus at this point. Frankly.

668
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you're the Bulls and you're probably

669
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,440
if you're being honest about with yourself about that's Kobe

670
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,880
White situation, Yeah, I'm doing it because also Read Shepherd,

671
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,599
even though he had a horrible rookie season, there is

672
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,680
a level of shot making capability within his game that

673
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:43,200
I think could make him ultimately worth more than Josh

674
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,920
Gitty as well. So like just having a superior option

675
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:49,039
down the line, so the Bulls can see, oh, perhaps

676
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,640
it's time to trade Josh Gitty. That would be smart.

677
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,920
I don't think they're smart, so they're not going to

678
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,279
do it. What I will say as a secondary option

679
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:03,920
for Chicago is assuming, of course, the Rockets just guarantee

680
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,880
Jock Landale's contract just for salary matching purposes, centering a

681
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,079
deal around Cam Whitmore and maybe some additional draft compensation,

682
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,640
so Cam with more, Jock Landale for salary matching purposes

683
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,119
and some type of pick. I'm not sure like how

684
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,480
protected whatever for Kobe White. I wouldn't hate that for

685
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,680
either side either.

686
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:24,599
Speaker 1: No, that's a good one.

687
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

688
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: I think if it's like sort of a middle end

689
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,000
pick one, I would say one of the rocket's own

690
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,720
moving forward, rather than you're not giving a son's pick

691
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,039
in that yet, right, that would be like that. That's

692
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:35,799
a good one. I really like that one. I think

693
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:38,039
that's my favor Kobe White's like that feels like the

694
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:39,880
middle ground because I've been kind of racking my brain

695
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,599
thinking this player is a little pricy, and I wonder

696
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,480
if he's too Fred van Vlidi, when you're looking at

697
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,240
if you want someone to create advantages for others, but

698
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,680
Emmanuel Quickly would be kind of interesting here too.

699
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,799
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with that.

700
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Our next team is the Memphis Grizzlies. More what's your

701
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,279
question for them?

702
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: Is it time to trade John rand the big one?

703
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,200
The big question. We have a lot of data now

704
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,679
on the Jahn Moran Grizzlies. I will see here. Here's

705
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,199
where I'll say it might be a little controversial, hopefully

706
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,960
not too controversial. You know, he's improved. I'm not going

707
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,239
to sit here and argue that John Moran hasn't improved

708
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,280
since he came into the league. Having said that, ever

709
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,960
since he took like was it his third year leap

710
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,599
when he was averaging like twenty seven or something along

711
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,280
those lines, like when he became you know that guy?

712
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:39,800
Since then, has he actually improved significant, significantly in one

713
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,320
single area on the floor to a point where we

714
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,679
can point to that and go, oh, yeah, we can

715
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,920
trust this going forward. I hesitate to say yes or

716
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,079
and if he has, please educate me, because I'm not

717
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:53,559
seeing it.

718
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: That is interesting. I I think it's a fair inquiry

719
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,639
to make. The problem is and why I would say no,

720
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,519
it's not time to trade John Morant. This feels like

721
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,639
it might be then idea of his value. Maybe you

722
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:10,320
could go back to the off point stuff and say

723
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,280
that was the absolute idea, But having just so much

724
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,639
evidence about the limitations of building a half court offense

725
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,639
around him, I don't know how much. Like what is

726
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,679
the because Houston as an example, the team we just

727
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:26,360
talked about, they're not gonna go after him the magic,

728
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,079
They're not gonna they need someone who's a bit more

729
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,079
reliable shooter. So I just what is the market? What

730
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,119
is the team that's giving you a ton of stuff

731
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,559
for John Morant. I mean I kind of thought, like,

732
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,039
would Utah give you like lowry marketing into first and

733
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,159
is that is your team even better after that?

734
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: I like, I, well, I mean just because you actually

735
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,119
get a sense of positional structuring. Utah would argue yes,

736
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,239
because like who's their point guard really, Yonce George.

737
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: It's I think Isaiah Collier is probably the better bet

738
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,079
at this point, not neither bet safe.

739
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not offensively dynamic either.

740
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,559
Speaker 1: Not right no, right now, right now, more outside of

741
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:05,719
the restricted area for sure.

742
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, much of the same with Josh really, I

743
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,840
mean there's not a lot of feel there.

744
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: What was his finishing numbers this year? He's like one

745
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,159
of those classic guys where it's oh, why are why

746
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,599
isn't his shooting percentage at the rim higher? It's just

747
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:25,119
he's always there with reckless of nine three feet All right, good,

748
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,760
that's actually that's not Russell.

749
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,639
Speaker 2: He was seventy one percent last year, but that was

750
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:30,320
only a nine game samble size.

751
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,639
Speaker 1: So like, I think you know what it's because he

752
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,679
attempts it so much. When I'm watching him and he's

753
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,480
always just there, I'm like, oh, why does it feel

754
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,039
like he's missing so many but he gets there? Third

755
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,039
of his shots came that By the way, The other

756
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,119
thing I think you have to concern yourself with is

757
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,320
given the injury history, he is now what six years

758
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,320
deep into his career, he's only twenty five, but his

759
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,920
game is so he's a very high IQ player when

760
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,360
you look at the passing for sure.

761
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the passing absolutely, yeah, But.

762
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,119
Speaker 1: Like his game is prided a lot on his athleticism,

763
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,559
and you kind of have to wonder, Okay, how how

764
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,039
long is this runway with John Moran in his prime

765
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,960
at this level? And that's something both the Grizzlies and

766
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,440
suitors would in theory need to reconcile.

767
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:13,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, So why That's why I ask the

768
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,719
questions because I I understand training him or sorry, not

769
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,400
training him when his value is at the lowest. I

770
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:23,159
buy that argument in its entirety. That said, if you're

771
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:25,800
the Grizzlies, you have to eventually look at this thing

772
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,920
and go like, like, what are we going to do here?

773
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,440
Because if you also want to trade jaw, does that

774
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,400
have a ripple effect? Like do you actually want to

775
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,000
start over? Like you're not going to want to pay

776
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,880
Jared Jackson Junior full max. I assume if you want

777
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,320
to start over again.

778
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: No, I probably not. And it's like, yeah, so are

779
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,559
you looking to get better as part of the job trade.

780
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,440
Is there any pathway where that exists? I mean, if

781
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,760
the Bucks aren't getting their own picks back at when

782
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:59,360
or if you're honest requests out building something around John

783
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,079
Moran for you honest, I don't know if that's what

784
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,280
Memphis needs. But if you just say we're gonna figure

785
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,440
it out when it comes to the all kinds of

786
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,000
floor general Chip, having Jaron Jackson Junior and Yannis on

787
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,440
the same team is insane, that would be And if

788
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,559
you're the Bucks, you could say, all right, we still

789
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:14,960
have Dame. So there's that tricking bartment. But if you're

790
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,119
looking for kind of a tent pole young player to

791
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,000
map out your future, John Morant would be an interesting option.

792
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say Jared Jackson Junior and Yiannis would

793
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:30,920
be fun in the regular season. In the playoffs, no, well,

794
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:33,360
I mean, look, we have to talk about it as well.

795
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,000
I mean, Jaron Jackson Junior in the playoffs historically has

796
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:44,400
been what's the kind word to say, ass But yeah,

797
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,960
but he's been he's been but no, look that that's harsh.

798
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:53,400
He's just he's been disappointing. Okay, Like I was just

799
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,519
trying to crack a joke there. He's been disappointing in

800
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,519
the playoffs and that's been through the four times he's

801
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:02,280
been there. Even when he's hitting shots, then he's not rebounding.

802
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,679
Even when he's rebounding, then he's not hitting shots. It's like,

803
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,880
you can't get the full Jaron Jackson Junior package in

804
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,039
the playoffs for whatever reason apparently, and I think he's

805
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,440
shown that to an extent now where I'm like, no,

806
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,880
his value in my eyes, just that's just me personally,

807
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,400
is significantly below what you know consensus, because I think

808
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,599
if you trade for Jared Jackson Junior, it's with the

809
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,199
mindset of, hey, let's make a playoff run, or let's

810
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,400
or not a playoff title run, let's get deep into

811
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,119
the playoffs. Well, if you go into the playoffs and

812
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,599
you're aiming to make the finals, it probably you probably

813
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,480
need to have guys perform in the postseason, and he

814
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:39,000
does not.

815
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: Which leads me to my question, what happens if Jaron

816
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,639
Jackson Junior doesn't renegotiate an extent. Maybe he does nothing

817
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:49,360
bad and so.

818
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: Nothing bad happens. Even if they pivot off of him,

819
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,920
nothing bad happens.

820
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,559
Speaker 1: Wow, So they probably got it might have been a

821
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,960
blessing in disguise that he didn't make all NBA for

822
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,039
the Grizzlies, which kind of that we view it through

823
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,199
that lens. He would have been eligible for that super

824
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:05,239
max of five years, three hundred and forty five point

825
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,039
three million. They could have. I don't think they would

826
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,039
have given him that, but maybe they would have felt

827
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:11,960
pressure to or maybe even just giving him a thirty

828
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:15,440
percent max. You have to ask yourself, is he worth this?

829
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:18,039
What they can do now is they project to have

830
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:21,000
about seven million in cap space while keeping Santi al Dama.

831
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,000
If you bump up Jaron Jackson. This is how renegotiating

832
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,360
extend works for maybe anyone who's not familiar with it,

833
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,519
and hopefully I'm not too wordy or confusing anyone here.

834
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,599
The Grizzlies have seven million dollars in cap space. They

835
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,360
can give that to Jaron Jackson Junior, bump him up

836
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,519
to about thirty point four million dollars, which would allow

837
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:41,119
them to offer him a four year, one hundred and

838
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,159
ninety point eight million dollar extension from there. So over

839
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:48,119
the next five years, including next season, he's on the

840
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,360
books for forty four point two million on average, rather

841
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,119
than over the next six years had he been super

842
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,480
Max eligible, averaging about sixty one point five million. That's

843
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,000
a huge difference when you're factoring him on the margins

844
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:01,199
keeping this team together.

845
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

846
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,639
Speaker 1: My question though, is what if he says there and

847
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:08,840
says no, I'm not I'm not gonna take the renegotiating extend,

848
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,719
and if I go into free agency, I'm gonna get

849
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,760
get good good.

850
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:16,519
Speaker 2: Good luck, buddy. Look, here's the thing. I he's a

851
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,039
great regular season player. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

852
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,480
see to her and say he's like a bad player whatsoever.

853
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,559
My entire frustration comes down to the fact that he's Look,

854
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:30,360
he's six', eleven he's built, really really, well and he's

855
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,159
one of the most athletic athletic interior players in the.

856
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,719
League and all he can muster is about five boards per.

857
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,159
Game one that is weakest. Shit two he does not

858
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,519
show up for the. Playoffs those are highly concerning elements to.

859
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:45,800
Me but if you're a team that just wants to

860
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,119
get into the. Playoffs he's a major. Get like if

861
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,199
you're a team out, there it's just like you know

862
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,559
in the plane bubble every single, year getting a guy

863
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:58,199
in who just averaged twenty two points in just over

864
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:03,920
twenty nine. Minutes major major elements like to your success

865
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,559
in order to get in because the productivity in the

866
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:10,880
regular season is. Nuts but if you're paying him thirty

867
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,280
thirty five percent of the, cap it's with the assumption

868
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,760
that he's gonna lead you to places in the, playoffs

869
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,199
which he will. Not So i'm just not worried about.

870
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,199
Speaker 1: It that's interesting Because i'd be a little bit if

871
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,320
he turns it down because THE i guess the margin

872
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,360
is not too different is four years and one ninety

873
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,719
versus his max from another team next summer would BE

874
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,800
i think it's four years in about two hundred nineteen,

875
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,920
Million so not actually talking about that big of a.

876
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,840
Difference it could be. Higher if it's The, grizzlies they

877
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,199
have the fifth, year then give eight percent. Raises but

878
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,360
if he says if he says, no when you're The,

879
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,320
grizzlies you're playing this out and saying we'll let it

880
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,480
ride to unrestricted free. Agency you're not looking at oh.

881
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: Oh, No i'm. Trading if he says, No i'm sure.

882
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: You said nothing, Happens, no, no no.

883
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:54,559
Speaker 2: No WHEN i said how nothing, happens WHAT i mean

884
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,840
is there's there are no long term consequences of Trading

885
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,599
Jaron Jackson. Junior if you're The Memphis, squires that's.

886
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,159
Speaker 1: Right is you've had some pretty bold ass takes and

887
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,719
that is spicy that there's just no difference For.

888
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,519
Speaker 2: Memphis, no, no, No, WELL i, mean, look you're obviously because

889
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:10,480
again it's the ripple. Effect we just talked About jaw,

890
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:14,519
Right like you, know if you trade, jaw the overwhelming

891
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,599
assumption Is Jaron Jackson junior is going to be your best.

892
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:20,119
Player that's gonna lead you. Nowhere like he's not your best.

893
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,599
Player if he's the best player on a, team and

894
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:26,760
that's the lens you're looking at him, through you're fucked pretty.

895
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,960
Much and that's that's my. Take that's WHEN i say nothing. Changes,

896
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,840
obviously they're gonna lose more games than the record. Season,

897
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,320
obviously what in terms of like their overall championship equity

898
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,480
is not going to make a damn difference because so,

899
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,760
far what has their championship equity looked?

900
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: Like, okay, Fair so who would you rather here's an interesting,

901
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,920
question then who would you rather have on your? Team,

902
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,960
well let me start. Here so you don't think if

903
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,960
he hits twenty six free, agency you don't think there's

904
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,320
gonna be a max offer waiting for.

905
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: Him, well, No i'm not saying there. ISN'T i think

906
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,920
this shouldn't. Be but like teams are, Crazy LIKE i will,

907
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,559
say there is one team in a specific like specifically

908
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,920
WHERE i would open the door to him being like

909
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,239
the best version of. Himself that's next To luca In Los.

910
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,239
Angeles like if he gets next To, luca just the

911
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,280
sheer amount of shots that he'll be spoon. Fed uh

912
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,280
and and, like, yes that is the one area WHERE

913
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,199
i could see him make that transition from regular season

914
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:28,360
player to playoff. Performer that's that's that would be the.

915
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,280
One outside of, THAT i really struggle to see a

916
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,400
scenario where he lands on a team and, says, oh,

917
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,199
yeah Now i'm something good in the playoffs when it.

918
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,360
Matters so might there be an offer out? There a max? Offer?

919
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,320
Sure BECAUSE nba teams do this stuff all all like

920
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,760
all the. Time DO i think there should be based

921
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,559
on what he's giving you in the playoffs right? Now,

922
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:50,719
NO i don't think there should.

923
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: Be, Wow i'm gonna be watching the renegotiating extension talks

924
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,159
now that it's not because he's not going to sign the.

925
00:44:57,679 --> 00:44:59,559
EXTENSION i, mean if he signs the extension off his current,

926
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:00,639
number that's probably a win for The.

927
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: Grizzlies where, no, sure oh yeah, Yeah, like, okay LOOK

928
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,679
i come off as a Huge Jared jackson junior hater.

929
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,440
Here that's not my. Intent my point is Basically i'm

930
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,039
not interested as AN npa organization and paying. Him you,

931
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,599
KNOW i think the what was the three Hundred oh

932
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,639
he's not eligible for the, supermax but people were, like,

933
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,360
oh let's hope he gets the supermax so he can

934
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,840
sign the, deal like three hundred and forty five MILLION

935
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,639
i think averaged out to what is sixty nine million per,

936
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:32,719
Year and that's ridiculous. Money that is utterly ridiculous money

937
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,000
for a guy who doesn't perform in the. Postseason like

938
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,639
if you can get him for forty per year, straight, yeah,

939
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:42,239
absolutely because look that's worth getting into the, playoffs and

940
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,719
that's that's what he will do for, you he will

941
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,960
get your ass into the. Playoffs if he's like the

942
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,960
secondary churchiary guy on the. Team absolutely he, will or

943
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,360
well he would at least eight that that goal. Significantly so,

944
00:45:56,119 --> 00:46:00,599
Yeah i'm paying him forty million a, year what sixty sixty?

945
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:04,159
Speaker 1: Five he's not a thirty five percent max. Guy i'm.

946
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,079
Curious maybe not To Vic. GRIZZLIES i could see him

947
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,000
being worth thirty percent because this defensive. VALUE i know

948
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:11,599
the rebounding is an, issue but it's kind of.

949
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: Insane, no, yeah for, Sure and again it's it came

950
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,159
off way too harsh on this. ONE i CAN i can.

951
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:22,800
Tell it's JUST I we're constantly talking about championship, windows

952
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,960
Right that has become the big conversation IS nba teams

953
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,960
now have shorter championship, windows shorter competitive. Windows that also

954
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:35,159
means that whenever you have a chance to make a,

955
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,320
run you can better make damn sure that the players

956
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,679
that you are paying the most money to are, major

957
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:47,360
major assets who outperform their actual contractual compensation level in the.

958
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,239
Postseason so, Far Jaron Jackson junior has not done, that

959
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,639
and if you give him a significant, raise you're putting

960
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,039
yourself into possibly a world of.

961
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: Let's move on to our next team in this, division

962
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,159
The New Orleans. Pelicans a little. Confusing what's your? Question?

963
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: More is this the end of the road For Sion, Williamson,

964
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:10,519
like you, know we have to ask the.

965
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:14,639
Speaker 1: Question it's not you want to know why the day

966
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,880
at the at THE nba, lottery you don't send someone

967
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,840
to be your lottery representative and move, him.

968
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,559
Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean you hope. Not i'll be.

969
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:24,519
Speaker 1: Funny.

970
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: Funny could you imagine they won the lottery and Got

971
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:34,239
Gooper flack and then he met were, like, oh hey,

972
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,920
see thanks for Getting that.

973
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,039
Speaker 1: Is kind of weird because you're sending him there in

974
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,639
theory at that point where this could be for them

975
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,000
to win the right to draft your place.

976
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: Replace and they already Have Trey, murphy who was let's be,

977
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,400
real could probably play that role as. Well oh, god

978
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,360
this seems just so. Confusing that's Why I'm i'm asking

979
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,519
the question About zion because like he's obviously the guy

980
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,079
who could fetch you a certain level of, return because

981
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,599
like the contractual, stuff like where whoever team would trade

982
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,760
for him has a lot of control over the. Contract

983
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:15,760
THERE'S mvp upside in attaining. Him so like presumably there

984
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,639
will be value attached to get, Back, like is there

985
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:20,920
a lot of value in trading out ct. McCollum, no

986
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:25,159
is there value in trading Away Deyontay? Murray who's what was?

987
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,599
All was? It the acl or? ACHILLES i don't even?

988
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,519
Remember oh, god so an acl tear earlier in his

989
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,519
career and now the. Achilles that's that's. Rough there's not

990
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,719
gonna be value in moving him right now, Either, like

991
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:43,679
what's what are they doing? Here? Not that's not that's

992
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,639
harsh to put that on at their feet entirely because

993
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,320
injuries are a. THING i just don't know what their

994
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,960
plan of attack. Here is.

995
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: What i'm wondering, though is does it get worse if

996
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,159
he MOVE z eye on right? Now because what's the

997
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:02,760
best offer you could get for? HIM i? Proposed and

998
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,719
this for some, reason it felt if the basis of

999
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,199
this deal Was DeAndre ayton and then two of The

1000
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,719
Milwaukee bucks swaps four and now all of a, sudden,

1001
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,599
now all of a, Sudden New orleans controls four Of

1002
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:19,119
milwaukee's draft. PICKS i THINK i just is that is that?

1003
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,719
Enough is that too? Much if you're The, blazers IT'S

1004
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,559
i Guess my point would, be couldn't Get hazier just

1005
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,800
because look at where they're drafting this year in the.

1006
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,440
Lottery they're coming in at number. Seven, YEAH i don't

1007
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,440
know how you feel about this draft, yet like they're

1008
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,039
probably not gonna find this fortune's turning. Player zion to

1009
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,199
me is still their best chance of doing. That and

1010
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,199
SO i look it AS i by the, WAY i

1011
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,679
think your question is spot, on like it's very, fundamental

1012
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,719
but it's like it has to. Be it's the this

1013
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,320
is an existential crisis essentially that it feels like this

1014
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,239
organization has been caught in for. YEARS i think what you.

1015
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,360
Do my plan would, be we're Keeping. Zion can he

1016
00:49:57,679 --> 00:49:59,960
either one just play so well that, it's, oh it's

1017
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,920
clear that he is our pole star of the, future

1018
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,920
or can he increase his trade value leading into the trade?

1019
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,440
Deadline BECAUSE i don't even, honestly if you went To

1020
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:11,239
portland and offered that As New, ORLEANS i don't know

1021
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,679
if they do, It and that's WHAT i would do.

1022
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:15,840
IT i want to make it clear AND i don't

1023
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,960
think If i'm The, PELICANS i probably don't want to

1024
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,280
take that. Offer but at the same, time it's, like

1025
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,400
what is. OH I, also by the, way number eleven

1026
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:26,280
was also included in. There, okay so was number. Eleven

1027
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,719
those two bucks, Swaps i'm just, like does that materially

1028
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,679
change your? Fortunes Because zion's money is you could talk, about,

1029
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,760
well there's the. Contract one it has outs For New,

1030
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,880
orleans and two, like If zion's Not, zion you're cooked,

1031
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,039
Anyway like to, me the money he's not on a

1032
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,000
max where it's just like breaking your. Organization, No, no

1033
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:49,280
the money he's, on he's on the fun. Max and

1034
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,159
also just if he's not, right it doesn't fucking matter

1035
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,119
what you're you be paying him the. Minimum your team

1036
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:54,639
is still going.

1037
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: Nowhere yep.

1038
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,679
Speaker 1: Yep so that would be my plan of. Attack but

1039
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:04,000
this leads into my. Question if they keep zyon, watch

1040
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:05,639
let's get your. Answer what do you want them to

1041
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:06,880
do or what do you think they will? Do what

1042
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,639
do you think they should? Do when on The zion.

1043
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: Front, NO i would look to trade. Him i'm not

1044
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,760
SAYING i would trade him LIKE i would collect. OFFERS

1045
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,559
i would see what's out. THERE i will not decide

1046
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,199
to just negotiate with one team because that's. Dumb who does?

1047
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,719
THAT i WOULD i would open it up and see

1048
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,480
what's out. There and if one team just made a

1049
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:32,480
big brain fart and was, like, yes we're all, in

1050
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:36,239
we're giving up. Everything i'm taking that thing And i'm

1051
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:36,880
running away with.

1052
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: It what is the? Team, like what is the team

1053
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:41,039
that you look?

1054
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: At and if you never? Know like, sometimes But i'm asking. You, yeah, okay, okay, okay.

1055
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:50,880
Okay now you're gonna laugh again BECAUSE i already brought them.

1056
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,719
Up like call the, Bulls call the.

1057
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: Bulls your solution is just everyone pillage the? Bulls? Right

1058
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:00,360
AM i? Wrong?

1059
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,039
Speaker 2: Though like call, now And i'm not just saying the

1060
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:07,519
bulls as, Well, like just call up the teams that,

1061
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,480
you as an organization consider the weakest, Negotiators like call

1062
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,840
up the teams that you consider. Desperate call up the

1063
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,119
teams that you have identified as being at a crossroads

1064
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,679
where they have no freaking idea what to, do and

1065
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,519
where you might be able to squeeze them for more

1066
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:28,280
than they probably feel comfortable. Doing call those. Up be,

1067
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,400
progressive be, Proactive do something LIKE i don't have any

1068
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,280
problem With sion, returning but given the current construct of the,

1069
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,920
team it doesn't really make a whole lot of. Sense

1070
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,360
Like Trey murphy And Herb, jones great. PLAYERS i love

1071
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,880
both of. Them DO i love them both together Alongside?

1072
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:53,360
Zion probably, Not like things have to change. Dramatically so, like,

1073
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,480
look if we're talking about trade, VALUE i WOULDN'T i

1074
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,239
wouldn't like Trading Trey. Murphy but he's on a contract

1075
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,000
that's very, reasonable assuming he's, healthy you could probably get

1076
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,519
a ton of. That why not try to finagle something

1077
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:09,920
out of?

1078
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: This, MAN i haven't even tried to think OF i

1079
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,039
just assumed he would not be.

1080
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,119
Speaker 2: MOVED i have Not i'm more human with the same.

1081
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,280
Assumption i'm Just i'm just talking out.

1082
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: Loud portland might give up more for him Than zion

1083
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:22,920
at this.

1084
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: Point, Man denny And Trey murphy would be interesting.

1085
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,199
Speaker 1: TOGETHER i, Mean Trey murphy just opening up the floor

1086
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,079
for literally.

1087
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,679
Speaker 2: Everything, yeah it makes so much.

1088
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: Sense would you? Do what? Pick number do they? Have

1089
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,920
so It's Julius randall if he opts In Rob dillingham

1090
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,480
and then number eighteen For zion if they have, Eighteen,

1091
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,119
No i'm number seventeen For. Zion they got that From.

1092
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: Detroit, yeah, yes and That's oh that would hurt BECAUSE

1093
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,599
i love Seeing julius rand actually playing well in the.

1094
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:04,119
POSTSEASON i love how he's actually turned his own narrative.

1095
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:07,559
AROUND i WAS i was harsh for a lot of

1096
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:09,880
years On Julius, raindall AND i don't THINK i was

1097
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,960
wrong in doing, so in being. So, rather Now i'm

1098
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,880
really enjoying to see his resurgence or whatever you want

1099
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,000
to call, it a realization of how to play proper.

1100
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,519
Basketball so to him to get moved back to a

1101
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:28,320
place he's actually been before as, well that's. Rough but

1102
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:33,519
If i'm The wolves AND i get a chance to

1103
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:38,039
Pair Anthony edwards And Sion, williamson even though like there's

1104
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,760
still the injury risk and the availability issue Of, zion

1105
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,239
that upside is just too good to pass.

1106
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,599
Speaker 1: Up that's that's like not a Package New orleans can accept, it,

1107
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:51,440
Right It's dillingham at a first round pick.

1108
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:56,039
Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, NO i mean you're. Right that's why they should.

1109
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:59,519
Explore that's why they they shouldn't just be, Like, okay we're,

1110
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:02,519
Accepting like they should follow up on some of their

1111
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:05,000
offers and, go, yeah you can do, better come, on

1112
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,159
hit us back next week with something, Better, Like, yeah.

1113
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: My question for the, team WHICH i think is gonna

1114
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,679
become at least more relevant for this. Offseason Maybe i'm.

1115
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:15,079
WRONG i would love to See, look there are Teams

1116
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,599
i'd love to See zion In. Detroit you imagine that

1117
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:23,519
him a cad, together. Incredible what do they need the

1118
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:26,800
most if they're planning to keep building Around? Zion AND

1119
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,000
i present this with the caveat that De Jontay murray

1120
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,360
may not play this season or for most of this,

1121
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,079
season but he's still on your.

1122
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: Team, yeah THAT'S i, mean the answer is a floor.

1123
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,199
Leader so that's where it, hurts, right because he's he's

1124
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:45,519
still on the. Books we don't know what kind of

1125
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:49,159
what's the word, Here we don't know what kind of

1126
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:53,039
state he's gonna be when he. RETURNS cj is obviously too.

1127
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:55,280
Old he can play a sort of pseudo point guard

1128
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,519
role for the time, being but that's not good. Enough

1129
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,960
they need a player who can hit reliable outside, shots

1130
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,760
who can be that secondary, guy like you, know they

1131
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,559
need A Tyres. Halbert that's the type of player they.

1132
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:13,199
Need but like he's not super.

1133
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: Charged modern contemporary seven. Ash, yeah that's not a hard, player.

1134
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: No, exactly but those that's the type of player you

1135
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,719
need to pair with such a specific talent As.

1136
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: Scion what ABOUT i, mean his name is gonna come

1137
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,920
up a bunch BECAUSE i think he's really, good and

1138
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,800
also his contract almost necessitating you.

1139
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: Say Reach shepherd, again so help. Me, God, Yeah i'm

1140
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:31,880
a trade For.

1141
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,519
Speaker 1: Rechaper If i'm The, Pelicans i'll give up everything For.

1142
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,320
Reach i'll risk it. ALL i was gonna, say his

1143
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,000
name is gonna come, up all, Right Kobe white for The.

1144
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: Pelicans, Yeah Kobe white should come up a lot this.

1145
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,639
Year he'd make a lot of sense to. It like

1146
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,000
he's still more of a combo in my eyes than he, is.

1147
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:52,119
Speaker 1: Which works long term With dejontay right or.

1148
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:57,199
Speaker 2: No, again depending on How deontay. Returns you, KNOW i don't,

1149
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:57,639
know like.

1150
00:56:57,639 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: WELL i think at that point it's you Have zion

1151
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,039
And kobe to alleviate some of the responsibilities offensively now.

1152
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:06,239
Defensively sure you could have some issues if those three

1153
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,400
are on the court together And dejontaimurray is not the same,

1154
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,760
player but that's why you Have herb And Trey murphy

1155
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,840
And Eves. MECY i think you can also argue THAT

1156
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,320
i like mec but do they need a different type

1157
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,199
of a big man look Alongside. Zion we've talked a

1158
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:20,719
lot about that over the. Years it'd be Something i'd.

1159
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,159
INVESTIGATE i don't view it as go out and Get

1160
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:26,039
Christops porzingis or sign and trade For milestone or an

1161
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:27,199
osried right, now.

1162
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,239
Speaker 2: BUT i, SAID i spent a lot of time saying

1163
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,280
this at the pre draft last, year And i've been

1164
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,239
saying it like throughout the entire. Year Kilil ware was

1165
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,000
the guy they should have targeted aggressively in the draft last,

1166
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,639
year like he was he was drafted. Before the trust

1167
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:48,079
is SHOOTING i trusted more THAN i Trust's, missy.

1168
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: But even you, know so it's, like that's Khalil ware's primary, value, right.

1169
00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: The PRIMARY i, guess, yes primary what he can at

1170
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,079
least stretch the floor at a capability at a level

1171
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,960
WHERE missi is like what years away from doing.

1172
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: If at, all but mess he also plays defense at

1173
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,519
a level that we've yet to see from Kolil.

1174
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:14,719
Speaker 2: Right that very, Fair BUT i would rather go with

1175
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:15,960
the high upside swing.

1176
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:21,079
Speaker 1: There, YEAH i don't. KNOW i wonder what it would

1177
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:22,679
take to get you, know he'd be really interesting on

1178
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:24,800
this team next to sign because we did see him shooting.

1179
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:25,920
Threes Zach.

1180
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: Edie oh, yeah like the big lumbering guy who can

1181
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:34,360
also grab, lobs but who Can, yeah if he upped

1182
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,719
his volume a little, bit your clock to paint a ton.

1183
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,079
Speaker 1: Though, yeah honestly this player is like similar way. Older

1184
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:45,440
he's a free agent And New orleans could access the

1185
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,360
Nontax praimer Brook.

1186
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: Lopez oh, YEAH i knew you were going. There that'd be.

1187
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,119
Fun that's the that's the. Archetype if he only wasn't

1188
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:52,679
two point three million years?

1189
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:56,639
Speaker 1: Old, yeah well even now for what TWO i don't

1190
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:58,320
know what is he might want to be on a better.

1191
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,079
Team he, yeah what type of.

1192
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: Because i'm thinking long. Term i'm thinking long. TERM i

1193
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:05,400
want someone next To sion for not just one, year

1194
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,920
but a couple of years at. Least But jan.

1195
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: Doesn't dook enough. Off in my, HEAD i was, wondering

1196
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:13,440
like The, grizzlies we sty still kind of need Their

1197
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,840
wing of the. Future But Jaalen wells And Zach E

1198
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,079
edie For Herb jones just feels rich Because Herb jones

1199
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,599
doesn't do the thing that they need the. Most so,

1200
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:23,840
Like Herb jones is, excellent but he doesn't do the

1201
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:24,079
thing That.

1202
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: Memphis he's also not that. Available herbs also.

1203
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: Fair the other thing, TOO i would love to see

1204
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,199
them Sign Chris. Bouchet that's someone who could run.

1205
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: Alongside that'd be.

1206
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,239
Speaker 1: Funny, yeah but, yeah long, term the higher, END i

1207
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:40,159
think Me si with the vertical gravity and the stuff

1208
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:41,920
he could. Do, DEFENSIVELY i thought those two played well

1209
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,000
off each other by the way him And Zion mesi

1210
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:45,920
And zion by the end of the. Year But i'm

1211
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,199
with you that they kind of need a floor. General

1212
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:49,960
but IT'S i just don't. Know how do you wait

1213
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,880
investing in one when you know you have Dejante, marie

1214
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,360
you also know that you don't know what he's gonna look.

1215
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,000
Like how's that for some burbiage out? There any other

1216
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:00,800
names that they're out, there any other, thing any other

1217
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,760
things on this?

1218
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: Team, NO I I'm i'm just a little skeptical of

1219
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,840
them as currently constructed and with the assets that they

1220
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,400
have in. Hand I've i'm gonna be interested to see

1221
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,760
what they do this summer because nothing right now screams

1222
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,920
obviousness to. Me and that's off the red.

1223
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: Flag our next team and final team of The Southwest.

1224
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,239
Division you might have heard of. Them they are The

1225
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,960
San Antonio spurs who almost Had Cooper. Flag that was

1226
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:34,360
man watching the. LOTTERY i know where weeks removed from it,

1227
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,199
now BUT i. WAS i was really, like The spurs

1228
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,519
are gonna Get. Flag this is absolutely rooting for.

1229
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:41,679
Speaker 2: IT i was rooting for. It that would have been

1230
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,760
the best thing. EVER i would have loved it because

1231
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:49,119
imagined the. Defense so like, YOU i know, you you're

1232
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:53,119
a sucker for for for defenders and for good overarching.

1233
01:00:53,239 --> 01:01:00,800
Defense just imagine Like Wempy flag and A Tiarn fox

1234
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,639
who now doesn't have to assert all that offensive energy

1235
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:05,719
that he did In, sacramento so you could actually get

1236
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,079
back to some of this like defensively oriented. Game and

1237
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:12,039
Then Stefan Castle, no, yeah well you Know castle throwing

1238
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:18,360
for good. Measure, yeah absolutely defensively with that probably ranked

1239
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,800
number two in the league Behind, okay, see like right

1240
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,000
off the, BAT i. Wouldn't that wouldn't shock.

1241
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,679
Speaker 1: Me so what is your question for The?

1242
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:32,239
Speaker 2: Spurs my question is what's the big? Play? Like what.

1243
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: One for? You?

1244
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,159
Speaker 2: Yeah will they even make? One? Yeah i'm.

1245
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: SKEPTICAL i just don't that would be. SO i know

1246
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:43,159
they traded For Darn, fox but that was this player

1247
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:45,679
only wants to come. Here the cost was reasonable. Enough

1248
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:48,639
they've been the. TEAM i think you were an advocate

1249
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:52,079
of it. Too But grant uh really wants them to

1250
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:54,239
trade For. Yannis he wants them to be The yannest.

1251
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:57,559
Speaker 2: Team i'm, Yeah i'm me. Too and and that is

1252
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:02,719
that is the play That i've outlined several. Times the

1253
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:08,800
thing here Is Dylan harper is really really good and

1254
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,320
he can, shoot which is well, WELL i mean thirty

1255
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,960
three From downtown he was on he was on forty

1256
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,159
plus percent on spot.

1257
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: UPS i believe.

1258
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: Thirty seven thirty. Seven, yeah at least according To Ricky

1259
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,000
o'donnald who was on my, POD i.

1260
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: Would trust him over.

1261
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: ME i would Trust ricky over virtually everyone when it

1262
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,800
comes to draft. Stuff he's got that he's got a

1263
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,639
memory that's. Insane so like the shooting needs. Work But,

1264
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,320
harper to me could, be you, know one of those point,

1265
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,440
guards so you, know the big physical point guards who

1266
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,920
has this how to phrase? This so you know how

1267
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,760
there are guys who aren't necessarily major like physical, athletes

1268
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,559
but they think the game. Out and because they think

1269
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,119
the game, out they tend to reach their potential a

1270
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,239
little bit. More i'm talking About, Luke i'm talking About Paul.

1271
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,719
Pierce i'm talking about those type of. Guys James harden. Too.

1272
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,760
Well harden is, athletic but like he never utilized it

1273
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,360
to the extent he probably. Could like, Thinkers Dylan harper

1274
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,639
is a thinker that to me is enormously attractive right

1275
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:22,000
off the, bat because who is another thinker on that

1276
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:28,280
team who's also coincidentally their franchise. Superstar you want to

1277
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:32,079
add it, exactly that, is you hit it right on the.

1278
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:34,280
Money he should stick. Around by the, way he's really.

1279
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,920
Good you're basically Telling, wemby, look we're going to bring

1280
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,960
you a thinker for you because you and him are

1281
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:45,239
are going to solve issues together on the, fly and

1282
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,400
you're going to be really good at. It like there's

1283
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,719
a part of me that also just want to, say

1284
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,480
you know, what screw, it just stick With Dylan harper

1285
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:56,239
and then let's see what, Happens like let's just build

1286
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,000
a long term. Window but like If jiannis comes, up

1287
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:03,360
that's he's probably like the one guy out there who

1288
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,159
might be pseudo available where you just go screw, it

1289
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:09,800
like let's just let's let's get let's get.

1290
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:16,079
Speaker 1: NUTS i WHAT i just is there Other is there

1291
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,679
another name out? There? Though because when you say what's

1292
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:20,960
the big? Play is? There? Like is there another player

1293
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,800
that then moves the needle because you. Didn't we're not

1294
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,840
asking should you go trade For? Yiannis let's say if

1295
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,280
they opt not For? Giannis is what do you want

1296
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:27,599
to see?

1297
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: Them Is?

1298
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: Yiannis The is that what you? WANT i, mean it's

1299
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,440
ANOTHER i guess a front court, upgrade like Alongside wemby

1300
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:37,360
at this. Point but is there another player that moves you?

1301
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,719
Speaker 2: There there is one guy THAT i wanted on The

1302
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,159
spurs for a, while he's just not. Available That's Kate.

1303
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:48,400
Cunningham that's that's.

1304
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: RIGHT i mean more so like should they should they

1305
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:52,760
be A Kevin durant? Team? Like?

1306
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah AND i get why you're confused because look

1307
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:01,480
this this the spacing element of. It he's such a

1308
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,239
better shootering Than. Giannis it's if you relinquish a ton

1309
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,360
for a guy who's that. Old that's that's. Again i've

1310
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,360
said this a million. Times that's WHAT i keep coming

1311
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,199
back to with The Kevin durant, thing is if you

1312
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,159
relinquish a lot for a guy who's, like for what

1313
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:21,840
two years away from. RETIREMENT i just don't know if

1314
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,039
that's worth the, Squeeze, like, yeah you can get a,

1315
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:26,760
call like you would have to win the, Title like

1316
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,079
you would almost have to guarantee yourself a, Title And

1317
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,199
i'm just not there. WHERE i THINK kd is at

1318
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:35,800
that level where you can pencil him in like he

1319
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,360
could when you got him To Golden state for. Example

1320
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,039
so Like yannis is also probably the oldest player That

1321
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:46,440
i'm honestly interested, in BECAUSE i know timelines are a

1322
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:49,960
little bit overrated now that wind competitive window so, Short

1323
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:54,719
but With wemby, SPECIFICALLY i have to think long. TERM

1324
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,599
i have to is and.

1325
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: What about any of The celtics guys if they became.

1326
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,880
AVAILABLE a reunion With Derek white or Even John.

1327
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 2: Brown brown would be, interesting but he Just i'm worried

1328
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,199
about the, contract And i'm, like he looked he did

1329
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,119
not look great this. Year he really. Didn't Like if

1330
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:15,039
he has a bounce back here and he returns to

1331
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:16,960
like the version he was two years, ago.

1332
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: You definitely want to, see like what his knee is looking,

1333
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,480
like because he was battling through that the entire season

1334
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:22,760
or most of it seems like.

1335
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:28,239
Speaker 2: So based on that right, now NO i mean, AGAIN

1336
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,800
i would need some level of insurances who's.

1337
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: Available THAT'S i was honestly thinking, of like a middle ground.

1338
01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:39,440
Type this doesn't cost you, anything AND i actually think

1339
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,039
that he would make their team a lot more. Dynamic

1340
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:43,519
they're a Good Cam johnson.

1341
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:46,599
Speaker 2: Team m. M, yeah that's a good floor spacing. Element.

1342
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:50,280
ABSOLUTELY i think even even on its, own you also

1343
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,679
have to, wonder, like what is the plan With jeremy

1344
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,719
so hand right? Now BECAUSE i probably would.

1345
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,239
Speaker 1: Stench Eligible jeremy So handy past.

1346
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:02,679
Speaker 2: Right, yeah oh it, did because right, now even THOUGH

1347
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,480
i think So hen projects as the better all around

1348
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:09,519
player moving, Forward Cam johnson just solves such a big

1349
01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:12,280
need that they have right off the, bat where if

1350
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,719
he were to make that, roster like traded onto that,

1351
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,320
ROSTER i could not see her and say That Jeremy

1352
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,679
sohen should be playing over. Him that would be a

1353
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,760
very hard. Sell, so, like, yes they need to bridge

1354
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,679
the gap between talent and, fit and it's always like

1355
01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:30,800
it's tough situation to get. Into before they made it

1356
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,039
this far in the, lottery and before they also traded

1357
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,679
For Darren, FOX i was big on them going after

1358
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,679
guess Who Kobe. White that was one of those guys

1359
01:07:40,679 --> 01:07:43,039
WHO i was looking for not at the carts.

1360
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:48,239
Speaker 1: Anymore what about we just talked about him. Previously if

1361
01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:52,239
he maybe he says no to the Extension Jaron Jackson.

1362
01:07:51,920 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: Junior, Defensively, yeah ridiculous, Upside but, again like These spurs

1363
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,199
have championship aspirations in the near future because of the

1364
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:08,719
presence Of. Wemby DO i trust a guy who's historically

1365
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:13,920
been very poor in the? Playoffs maybe under the right.

1366
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,720
Circumstances are these the right? CIRCUMSTANCES i don't. Know he

1367
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,800
would definitely give them floor spacing as, well which they sorely.

1368
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,720
Need so, Like i'm not saying he doesn't solve two needs,

1369
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,560
honestly but will that carry over into the postseason is

1370
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,159
WHAT i kind of need to know a little.

1371
01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: Bit what If denver's just in the business of cutting

1372
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,640
costs at this, point and so The spurs have Those

1373
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,560
Harrison barnes And Kelden johnson expiring, contracts you could send

1374
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,359
one to The nets or maybe another team as a

1375
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,439
large enough trade, exception and those are players that are.

1376
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,119
Useful do you take a fly because this would cost

1377
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,720
YOU i would think minimal in just terms of assets and.

1378
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,079
Equity would you take a flyer On Michael Porter?

1379
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:54,399
Speaker 2: Junior so skills, WISE i would probably take a flyer on.

1380
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,279
Him here's my bigger. Issue does he fit into that

1381
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,960
locker room from a personality? PERSONSPECTIVE i think a guy

1382
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:03,399
like him.

1383
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: Where political the coach, anymore but he is the, post right.

1384
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 2: You, know the political. Debates look that that might be

1385
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,159
a place WHERE mpj can go to be, Rehabilitated so

1386
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:15,239
that that's a good thing.

1387
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,119
Speaker 1: Rad the scientific.

1388
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: Way. Yeah, right that, SAID I i think he's he's

1389
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,880
got tendencies that would frustrate the everlasting fuck out Of Bick.

1390
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,039
THAT i do. THINK i think because if you notice one,

1391
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:36,000
thing it's that While wempy is an extraordinary, teammate he

1392
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:40,399
also demands a ton out of his. GUYS mpj has

1393
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,840
become a little bit of a poster boy in terms

1394
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,439
of a guy who probably could do more than what

1395
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,399
he does and just doesn't do, it and he's too

1396
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,159
inconsistent and just occasionally just runs around and does. NOTHING

1397
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,600
i think that would be an, issue especially at that price.

1398
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:02,319
POINT i, mean, hell you could PROBABLY i probably Take

1399
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:06,479
Cam johnson OVER mpj in that specific circumstance and fairly.

1400
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,239
Easily so and that's paying like what half the, salary

1401
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:12,720
well not half close to.

1402
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,359
Speaker 1: It it's CALLED i, mean like And Cam johnson's. Declining,

1403
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,840
yeah SO i don't Like Larry marketen for this team

1404
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,199
anymore with his price. POINT i did find him interesting

1405
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:23,359
before him and him And.

1406
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: Vic together would be it would be fun.

1407
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: Madness, yeah what ABOUT i mean you just mentioned should

1408
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,399
this team investigators trade Value Trey murphy In San?

1409
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,359
Speaker 2: Antonio, Yes Trey murphy is a big one WHO i

1410
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:39,640
think could be a major key moving. Forward so he's

1411
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,560
he's sort of in that same salary bracket As Devin,

1412
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,159
missel AND i Think miselle was a little overwhelmed this.

1413
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,199
Year he's he's had better. Season he was not good this,

1414
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:51,920
Year BUT i do think there's a better shooter in

1415
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,760
him than what we. Saw is that better floor? Spacing

1416
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,960
if you actually Retain vassell and you GET i don't

1417
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,840
know who you sent, Out that's that's the big, question,

1418
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,239
Right like it probably has to Be Kilton johnson and,

1419
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:07,560
stuff and then what The.

1420
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: Barnes as, Well, like, yeah it would BE i, mean

1421
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,800
If New orleans is Trading Trey, MURPHY i think that

1422
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,640
they're in the picks and prospects business at that point.

1423
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,039
Speaker 2: Exactly so that's probably a landing spot For jeremy So

1424
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:20,520
hannah as. Well but like, so so let's assume it's

1425
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:27,359
What Jaron, Fox Devin, Vessel Trey, Mury, Yes Trey murphy

1426
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:29,239
at the three or the four THAT i don't even.

1427
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,800
Care and, yeah four maybe because then you Have Julian

1428
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,199
champagne at the three for spacing, purposes that something becomes.

1429
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:38,960
Interesting now you Have wempy And fox with optimized well

1430
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:42,439
maybe not, optimized but really good spacing around, them and

1431
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:44,640
Wemp is himself is a floor.

1432
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: Spacer this Is i'm, Again i'm just throwing. Stuff i'm

1433
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,319
just what's that you made fun of? Me you called

1434
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:52,439
it The fox newsification Of dan it. Was i'm just

1435
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,520
asking questions more the number two pick For Trey murphy

1436
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,399
and the number seven pick who says, no.

1437
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 2: That's a really good.

1438
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: ONE i sent so hand To New orleans as. WELL i,

1439
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,319
mean there'll have to be other money, involved.

1440
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: But so, LOOK i am especially high on On Dylan,

1441
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,439
harper probably more so than. Consensus So i'm inclined to say,

1442
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,399
no BUT i fully concede that's that's and and that's

1443
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,640
a conversation like that is not something you you hang

1444
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,960
up the phone. For that is where you sit down

1445
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,319
and you probably actually take a meeting face to face

1446
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:29,960
and you hash it out and figure out a way

1447
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,399
that makes. Sense that's that's a really good starting.

1448
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: Point any other names that we, should, oh you know

1449
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,159
WHO i would? Love and, again MAYBE i shouldn't put

1450
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:39,720
it past this. FRANCHISE i have no idea what they're,

1451
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,720
doing and we'll eventually talk about. THEM i might even

1452
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,039
like this player's fit more than.

1453
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:50,239
Speaker 2: You're gonna. Say you're gonna, say la Metal, ball aren't? You?

1454
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: NO i like Metal ball, everywhere though we know. THAT

1455
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,439
i was gonna, SAY i might like him better Than Trey.

1456
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,439
Murphy But Trey murphy's got some more that we've seen

1457
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,119
On Ball Juice Kegan, Murray.

1458
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah i've had that thought a. Lot so here's my. Issue.

1459
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:09,159
Keegan as much AS i love the rebounding improvements and

1460
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,880
the defensive, PROVEMENTS i need to see more out of

1461
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,760
Him offensively, speaking he was built to this guy who'd

1462
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,520
come in an average. Twenty i'm not that's an ar portraying,

1463
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,000
number but like be a high volume offensive, score not

1464
01:13:22,119 --> 01:13:24,039
someone who could just, shoot but do more with the

1465
01:13:24,039 --> 01:13:28,079
ball in his. Hands he goes through these major MAJOR

1466
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:31,560
i don't want to say, slums but he goes through

1467
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:37,239
like periods where his confidence just drops and you can

1468
01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:41,359
often tie together just with him not making. Shots that

1469
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,560
to me is a pretty big red. Flag now Where

1470
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,600
i'm worried about that moving, Forward.

1471
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm not as. WORRIED i think that the ecosystem In

1472
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:54,159
sacramento has been one overturn too, often and two was

1473
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:57,119
never conducive to like putting him. In just look at

1474
01:13:57,319 --> 01:13:59,359
how many different ball handlers they brought in and then

1475
01:13:59,359 --> 01:14:03,279
they kind of there's a roster turn there this past.

1476
01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:05,600
Season BUT i think that's, Fair like there's been some

1477
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,680
inconsistency even and he's been asked to, play to be,

1478
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,359
fair a pretty streamlined, role and the fact that you're

1479
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:13,720
coming out of it wondering why isn't he more of

1480
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,439
even a dead eye, shooter or why isn't even more?

1481
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:16,800
CONSISTENT i think that's totally.

1482
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: FAIR i do have a name for, you, Though. Towns

1483
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:27,439
it's not it's someone who is a who's basically breaking,

1484
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,399
out and but he hasn't broken out to an extent

1485
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:41,279
where he's where he's like Untouchable Danny. AFTUA i don't like,

1486
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:44,680
him not not not giving up the second overall pick, Obviously,

1487
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,119
NO i LIKE i.

1488
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: JUST i know he shot the ball well this, year

1489
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,399
and there's a lot OF iq there, Then but like

1490
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,600
you need to Surround vick with more dead eye, shooting

1491
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,359
and that's JUST i Don't that doesn't necessarily bring you

1492
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,560
further away from doing, that BUT i feel it's more

1493
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,760
so you might actually lose floors basing as part of that.

1494
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,760
Trade If Harrison barnes is part of the outgoing, Money

1495
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,079
denny obvious is a better, player better on the. Ball

1496
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:11,439
but if you're gonna Have fox because you're not Trading

1497
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,880
castle or the number two pick in this scenario, either

1498
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:16,800
which might be part of the. Appeal but god, damn

1499
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:19,039
just put some more shooting Around Victor, wenbiyama.

1500
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: PLEASE i hear. THAT i totally. DO i was thinking

1501
01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:25,319
him in the short role with With, wemby like in

1502
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:28,479
the dunker, spot would be Who that'd be.

1503
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,079
Speaker 1: FUN i wouldn't be opposed to, It that's JUST i

1504
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:33,680
don't know If i'm ALLOCATE i don't know how much

1505
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,600
asset allocation for San. Antonio If Daron fox wasn't there,

1506
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,000
ALREADY i might feel, differently or If, steph if one

1507
01:15:40,039 --> 01:15:42,560
of these things didn't, happen that they Had Steph castle

1508
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,720
the number two pick In Daron, fox, which by the,

1509
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,800
way that is my. QUESTION i don't know WHY i

1510
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,399
have it written AS i do on, screen but if

1511
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,800
they keep the number two, pick Can Dylan, Harper Daron,

1512
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,880
fox And Steph castle all co exist in the same.

1513
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,600
Rotation so here's here's the TAKE i.

1514
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 2: HAVE i Think stefan right now is you know he

1515
01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:05,840
we've all talked about him, as oh the point guard

1516
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,520
of the future before they traded For Darn. FOX i

1517
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,239
don't think he's necessarily a point. GUARD i don't think

1518
01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:15,720
he's necessarily a two. GUARD i don't think he's exclusively a.

1519
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,520
WING i think he's one of those very positionless. Players you,

1520
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:24,000
know not gonna Say Jalen, williams Because jalen has a

1521
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:27,720
shooting touch That castle obviously does not. Have but the

1522
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,920
positional fluidity and the ability to also defend up POSITIONS

1523
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,319
i think IS i think those are. Real so like

1524
01:16:36,039 --> 01:16:39,920
if you get a very good shooter in at one

1525
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,880
of the guard, spots for, example and you Have Daren

1526
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,720
fox at the. One could you survive With Stefan castle

1527
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,399
at the three as long as show also make sure

1528
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,720
that the foreman is a floor. Spacer i'm not SAYING

1529
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,279
i love, it BUT i think there's some upside. There

1530
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:01,119
at the very, Least Stefan castle has so much positional

1531
01:17:01,159 --> 01:17:05,119
fluidity that you can sort of like put him into

1532
01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:06,880
the right situations at.

1533
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,359
Speaker 1: WILL i could see him being offensively more of a

1534
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:14,199
Supercharge Bruce brown. Type you can have him sept, screens

1535
01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:16,319
make some plays out of the short role, himself especially

1536
01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:19,680
within that. Ecosystem WHAT i would be worried about is

1537
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,279
that Having, Fox harper And, castle it feels like it

1538
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:26,239
would inhibit any one of, them Including, fox who's more

1539
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:29,199
of an established, player just from hitting their peak or

1540
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:31,159
the best version of themselves in the. Spurs there just

1541
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:35,199
feels like there's too much redundancy in both strengths and.

1542
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:37,079
Weaknesses for that, MATTER.

1543
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,239
Speaker 2: I don't think you're. WRONG i think it's a real.

1544
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,840
Question that's Why i'm like thinking out of the box

1545
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,359
and basically trying to Turn castle, into you, know not

1546
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,840
necessarily a, guard BECAUSE i do think he can play off,

1547
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,720
ball not necessarily as a, spacer but in terms of his,

1548
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,680
cutting the way he just moves around like he doesn't

1549
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,560
stand still all the. TIME i think there's something, there but,

1550
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,000
like you're, right the concerns are. Real like this is

1551
01:18:02,039 --> 01:18:06,199
WHY i didn't like when the initial rumors came out

1552
01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:09,239
About Jaron fox And San. Antonio you know a lot

1553
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:11,079
of people were, like, oh this is a great, fit

1554
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:13,039
like they jumped on the train. IMMEDIATELY i was a

1555
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:17,560
little bit more. Skeptical i'm still not like in fully

1556
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,000
love with the. FIT i think what they got him

1557
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:23,359
for was. Tremendous that was tremendous work from The, Spurs

1558
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,399
But i'm not married to The wempy Darn fox pairing long.

1559
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,960
Term so if suddenly something pops, UP i know that

1560
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,039
would be very hard For, fox who actively wanted to be.

1561
01:18:35,159 --> 01:18:38,520
There but if something came up where they could optimize

1562
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,800
their floor spacing capabilities and streamline that roster a little bit,

1563
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:47,319
more and that would cost Them. Fox i'm not saying, no,

1564
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:51,279
man he forces his.

1565
01:18:51,239 --> 01:18:54,279
Speaker 1: Way To San, antonio then they flip, him that would be, Cool.

1566
01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:56,359
Speaker 2: AND i don't think because it doesn't seem like that's

1567
01:18:56,359 --> 01:18:59,560
an organization that they want to. Be but, LIKE i

1568
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,199
don't think they realized that to win the second frickin'

1569
01:19:02,199 --> 01:19:04,119
pick in the draft. Either so now they're looking at

1570
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:09,680
a situation where, okay things suddenly, Changed like, again to reiterate,

1571
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,039
Myself i'm a Big Dylan harper, guy REALLY i. AM

1572
01:19:13,159 --> 01:19:15,159
i think there's a lot of upside in him And

1573
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:19,800
wemby moving. Forward so If fox becomes a sacrificial lamb,

1574
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,000
there but you also feel in need in moving. HIM

1575
01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:26,199
i don't hate, THAT i, don't but you don't have

1576
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:28,880
to move him. NOW i don't think you're in any.

1577
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,000
Rush you can still have a good season where he

1578
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:34,800
just plays balls out and then maybe you look at

1579
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,840
it at the trade dead line or. Whatever like he's

1580
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,000
an unrestricted free agent in twenty twenty, six so that

1581
01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:44,640
complicates matters. Slightly but, Yeah I'm i'm not married to

1582
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,119
that fit at.

1583
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: All this is at number two pick? Material should they

1584
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,039
be a nas red, team like it's some sort of

1585
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:51,479
sign in. TRADE i don't think he's gonna take the

1586
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:52,880
non tax payer mid? Level is?

1587
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:53,319
Speaker 2: That? Or?

1588
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,279
Speaker 1: Or? No does he not give you enough of The

1589
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,079
he has a real floor, game but does it not

1590
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:01,680
feel like him And wemby are kind of girthy enough

1591
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:02,640
let's say on the front.

1592
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,119
Speaker 2: Line let's just put it that. Way if we're looking

1593
01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:09,039
for a guy who's going to play a lot of

1594
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:12,520
power forward and who needs to shoot the, Ball i'm

1595
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,359
looking At Trey murphy, instead as opposed To.

1596
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: Ospreed, WELL i think the difference there is one Is

1597
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,159
Trey murphy? Available and two how much is it costing

1598
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:21,880
you to get? Him?

1599
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,039
Speaker 2: Right And i'm not in A, okay let me put this.

1600
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:26,399
Away i'm going to rephrase. It i'm not in a

1601
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,760
rush to go find like a four or five. MAN

1602
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:30,880
i am way more in a rush to go find

1603
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:36,279
a legit wing and WHICH i didn't have spacing. Issues

1604
01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:38,720
by the, Way, dan IF i didn't have spacing issues

1605
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,720
as an. Organization right, Now i'm calling Up houston And

1606
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:47,880
i'm saying number two For Amen, thompson what do you

1607
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:49,600
think can we build a package off of?

1608
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: THAT i think they would immediately say.

1609
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,560
Speaker 2: No, Correct and that's why you add the twenty seven

1610
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,920
hawks pick. UNPROTECTED i think they still say, no, probably

1611
01:20:58,399 --> 01:21:00,399
but like at the very least you make that call

1612
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,479
again if if you had spacing around, them that that

1613
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,119
is the number one need with a bullet that is.

1614
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:10,720
Spacing but it shouldn't be for every, cost you know

1615
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,520
WHAT i? Mean like, this this team still needs to

1616
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,399
optimize the talent level to get.

1617
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: In do you think they end up doing something that's

1618
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:24,640
considered Splashy i'm talking not like Nas reed would be,

1619
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,359
interesting but not at that. Level something.

1620
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 2: HIGHER i THINK i think they've already had their. SPLASH

1621
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,199
i Think Jaron fox was their.

1622
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: Splash well you, said, well they make a big. Play

1623
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,640
that was your, Question So i'm, asking.

1624
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah SO i well that's the THING i would.

1625
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,199
Be my question to that is or, Sorry my answer

1626
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:46,159
to that, Is i'm inclined to say no when it

1627
01:21:46,199 --> 01:21:50,399
comes to like a major major, shakeup like if it

1628
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:56,359
comes out That giannis does actively ask, out that changes the. Equation.

1629
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 1: YEP i THINK i would have been more on board

1630
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,760
with the idea, of, oh The spurs will do this

1631
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,239
if we had seen more reps of D, Iron fox

1632
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:11,319
And wenby, together and we just we. Didn't so and

1633
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:13,359
that's just like sort of a big thing looming over

1634
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:15,880
all this is how do you make such a wholesale

1635
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,359
call without having a concrete idea of what's already in?

1636
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:21,800
Place and SO i think that they would IF i.

1637
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,479
Had i'll frame it this, WAY i think they would

1638
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,800
max out at like we traded For Cam, johnson we

1639
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,239
traded For Nasry sign and traded For nasried or something

1640
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,359
that feels like Maybe Trey murphy would be like the

1641
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,840
absolute apex of, well that dude's just gonna fix, it

1642
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,079
like fit. Anywhere it makes so much. Sense but in

1643
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:43,159
terms of like a ton of, consolidation or not even a,

1644
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:45,399
ton but like moving the number two, PICK i guess

1645
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,039
for a player that would cost. You if for a

1646
01:22:48,039 --> 01:22:50,880
player that would cost You Steph castle or the number two,

1647
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,039
PICK i would be pretty shocked if The spurs end

1648
01:22:54,119 --> 01:22:55,039
up doing anything like.

1649
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 2: That SO i do have one for you. Here and

1650
01:23:01,119 --> 01:23:04,800
it was a QUESTION i got probably a month or

1651
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,560
so ago THAT i just completely forgot about AND i

1652
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,640
was reminded of it. Recently he. HASN'T i don't think

1653
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:16,199
he played ever since getting traded TO Uh. Toronto Brandon

1654
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:18,319
ingram didn't play for, him, right no play a game or?

1655
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:21,479
NO i THINK i don't think. So so they're overloaded

1656
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,760
at the wing. Spot this is something we've talked. About

1657
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,720
they Have, brandon they HAVE, rj obviously have The Scottie.

1658
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,359
Barnes now The spurs are in that situation where they

1659
01:23:29,359 --> 01:23:32,239
have too many, guards, right and it feels like there's something,

1660
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:38,119
there a deal centered Around Jaron fox With Brandon ingram and.

1661
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:43,319
Stuff could that do? Something is that interesting for both?

1662
01:23:43,359 --> 01:23:48,079
Parties is there something? THERE i don't, know.

1663
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:52,119
Speaker 1: HONESTLY i Think toronto then Has quickly And fox And.

1664
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:58,640
Barnes that's, interesting but that's a lot OF i, Mean

1665
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,640
barnes and five And. Turn i'd be, more, Honestly i'd

1666
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,479
be more intrigued by that set up In. Toronto if

1667
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,600
you're gonna Play fox And quickly, together that beam a

1668
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,399
caveat THAN i am With Brandon. Ingram there that THAT

1669
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,680
i would. SAY i don't know IF i like that

1670
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:13,520
for The spurs.

1671
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,359
Speaker 2: Though see that's the, thing, right if there's a system

1672
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:22,920
Where Brendon ingram might actually realize or get, taught hey

1673
01:24:23,079 --> 01:24:27,560
place your strength take more, Threes maybe that's the, place

1674
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,960
Right like maybe him coming to a situation where there's

1675
01:24:32,039 --> 01:24:35,359
a very clear cut superstar in place and he's way

1676
01:24:35,359 --> 01:24:39,279
more available than the superstar you played with. Before maybe

1677
01:24:39,319 --> 01:24:42,000
there's a sense Of, okay you know, what if the

1678
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,079
superstar needs me to space the floor for, him, SHIT

1679
01:24:45,159 --> 01:24:45,680
i better do.

1680
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: SO i, mean that's that is a. Thing that's one

1681
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,000
THAT i would need to think about even after it went.

1682
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:55,960
Down i'd probably need to see it to understand it

1683
01:24:56,119 --> 01:24:56,560
or believe.

1684
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 2: It but it's we can't agree that it's a wing

1685
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,359
that would dramatically improve upon their current wing, depth, Right.

1686
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,279
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean their best wing is like do you

1687
01:25:08,279 --> 01:25:10,439
even get Like barnes And johnson are both kind of not.

1688
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,920
Wings champagne is their best, wing Like devin veself is

1689
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,760
a little, small but maybe the answer is just. Him.

1690
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:20,079
Speaker 2: YEAH i Like, champagne THOUGH i know that he was

1691
01:25:20,119 --> 01:25:23,279
a little up and down this, season but like considering

1692
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,000
that he was like an end of the benched. GUY

1693
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:30,640
i also spoke with people within the organization who just

1694
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,960
raves about, him like he's so, good and the THING

1695
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:39,760
i keep hearing is just he doesn't seem to fully

1696
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:44,000
understand how good he, is which is always, interesting like

1697
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:46,600
because if he has that realization at some, point like

1698
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:50,560
he's like a legit six Eight i've Stood i've stood

1699
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,760
next to him a couple of times like this isn't

1700
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,119
you know six eight in size but like six' five,

1701
01:25:57,119 --> 01:26:00,199
from reality and he can play both the two the

1702
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:04,800
three and get that shot off so. Damn quickly like

1703
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,720
if there's another layer to him coming, next year maybe

1704
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,640
some of those wing issues. Sell themselves the other.

1705
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,199
Speaker 1: Player that we didn't really kind of mention in this

1706
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:17,399
sort of if They, Have fox Harper, and castles what

1707
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,680
Like Does devin vessel get lost in the shuffle of.

1708
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,720
All this it's a good problem, to HAVE but i don't,

1709
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,600
love IT and i think you have to try it.

1710
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,640
To SEE like, I said i don't expect them to

1711
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,960
move any of those guys that we, just outlined but

1712
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:34,760
it is a real question because none of those dudes, are, wings.

1713
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 2: Right how much of this whole, Conversation changes by, the

1714
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,399
Way If stefan castle comes back next year and it's

1715
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:44,439
like a four three, Point, shooter like does that? That changes?

1716
01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:48,760
Like everything the ripple Effect Of stefan castle developing into

1717
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,840
a legit three point shooter just basically.

1718
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,319
Speaker 1: Changes, EVERYTHING yeah i mean it'd be pretty close and

1719
01:26:54,319 --> 01:26:55,800
then you're all of, a sudden but then still it's

1720
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,319
Like the harper And the fox of.

1721
01:26:57,359 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 2: It all oh, All right but like then then you're

1722
01:27:00,039 --> 01:27:04,119
getting into like the minor issues because the overarching issue

1723
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:06,720
here is that you kind of stuck with this With the,

1724
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:10,319
castle lineups because he's such a hugere shooter as he is.

1725
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:17,039
Right now if that changes, like that we're looking at,

1726
01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:23,119
a complete completely different like way of analyzing. The scene that's.

1727
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 1: Just doesn't that feel like such a? Big? Leap though

1728
01:27:26,079 --> 01:27:29,840
we ever seen players that we think are really erratic

1729
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,680
or bad shooters just all of a sudden become league

1730
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,680
average or better shooters that one to operate at a

1731
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:39,199
higher volume and two that defensive respect enough to. Cover

1732
01:27:39,279 --> 01:27:41,239
them that would be if it happens in a, sophomore

1733
01:27:41,239 --> 01:27:42,720
season that would be.

1734
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,079
Speaker 2: So wild it's, And look I'm not THAT'S why i

1735
01:27:46,199 --> 01:27:48,760
mentioned it in, that Vein like i'm laughing it OFF

1736
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,880
because i don't. Think so it's just it's it's interesting

1737
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:56,720
to me how basically what we're really talking about without

1738
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,279
really talking, about it the big elephant in the room

1739
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:04,439
is really that the lack of shooting Capability, of castle

1740
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,680
the fact that he's such a. Poor shooter that's where

1741
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,520
the issue. Overarchingly lie like because, you're right catch and

1742
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:19,359
shoot threes this year thirty point three percent is that

1743
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,439
is just not, Great man and like he too was

1744
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,840
like he's he's in that coming into. This year he

1745
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,359
was In That josh giddy camp last year of how

1746
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:34,199
bad of a shooter that's where. We are. That's horrible,

1747
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,279
so yeah expecting him to make a major turnaround, shooting

1748
01:28:37,319 --> 01:28:40,319
wise very. Much optimistic do.

1749
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:42,520
Speaker 1: You have anything else on any of these teams before,

1750
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,600
WE skidadle i.

1751
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 2: DO not i think we went about it pretty thoroughly

1752
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:47,920
to be honest. With you.

1753
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 1: Can you tell our fine listeners subscribers where they can find.

1754
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1755
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1758
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,279
Speaker 1: Plus until next time and, as always en with the

1759
01:29:07,279 --> 01:29:09,560
shout out to the one, the only the real missing

1760
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,640
Pieces of santa Jelis Mister frank blake

1761
01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: H