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Speaker 2: Hey, Welcome everybody. This is Matt Connorton Unleashed. This is

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Speaker 3: President and account it for.

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Speaker 2: And joining us for his first time on the show.

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Brandon Lemaye is here. Hi, Brandon Hobby, so welcome, and

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the chat room. But Brandon, so your first time on

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the show. Jenny and I of course have known you

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for for a bit now, at least a couple of years, right,

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especially you know, Jenny of course knows you better than

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I do. But it's been how how long has it been?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it definitely has been, Yeah, because I

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met Jen through my work as an organizer for rights

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and democracy, Okay, yeah, and you know it feels like

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So so Brandon, who are you and what do

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you do? Let's let's uh give the give our our

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listeners and viewers some background on you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So you know, I was born and raised

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here in Manchester, New Hampshire. You know, I am a

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product of the public school system here. I went to

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Plymouth State University, where I studied political science and minored

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in French. And that's about that time that I got

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involved in politics because at the time, this is around

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like twenty ten actually sorry, twenty twelve now at this

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point twenty eleven, and there was a huge effort to

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defund the university system, and I don't know if either

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of you are aware of this, but New Hampshire College

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students graduate with some of the most debt at public

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universities in the country.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that, but it doesn't it doesn't actually

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surprise me either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we are like routinely like forty eight, forty nine,

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fiftieth in terms of like average student debt. And a

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lot of that is because we just don't fund public

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institutions in the state like we do in a lot

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of our surrounding states as well. So, you know, I was,

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I was political before that. I grew up in a

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union household. You know, my first direct action was standing

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at a picket line and when I was four years old,

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and actually Bernie Sanders was huge in helping to end

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that strike at the time. So my dad was part

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of the ib W twenty three twenty. They had a

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bunch of members in named Hampshire Vermont and so like,

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that's what I really learned about the value of leveraging,

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you know, the power that elected officials have. And in

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that case, you know, Bernie Sanders was using his soft

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power as as a senator. Actually I think he's being

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centered at that time, but anyway. But anyway, as as

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a public elected official, you know, Bernie Sanders was able

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to you know, use his leverage because the unions had

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backed Bernie and now it was time for Bernie's to

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back the union, and you know, he was able to

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help put pressure and to have management and sign the

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contract that you know led me and my family to

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have all the things that we need in life. So,

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because then, you know, my own well being was at

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stake here because you know, I was working thirty hours

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still graduated with tens of thousands of dollars in debt,

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invest more in our university systems, not less. So you know,

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it became involved, you know, with the College Democrats at

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the time, I became an organizer. I'm the Manhasion Democratic

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coordinated campaign. And then I would say more recently in

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advocacy groups, and I kind of good that work a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like in my time as an organizer, writes

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in Democracy, I originally had started in housing issues. You know,

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from your neighborhood actually, because there were out of state

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landlords coming in buying up you know, these multi family

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homes from you know these previously, you know, you'd have

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rent out, you know, second third floor. Now they start

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to retire and they want to cash in on their investment.

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by the way, quote unquote, where landlords are undercharging their

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tenants for rent because a mom pod landlord, they usually

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the property taxes, and you know, whatever repairs and stuff

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was obvious to me and some of our leaders that

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like we needed to talk to these tenants to be

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able to talk to each other and to either resist

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these rent hikes a lot of these people. We're also

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facing renovation evictions in the Hampshire. If the landlord wants

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to renovate, they can just say get out in thirty days,

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and there's no legal definition of what our renovation is.

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literally just repainted and that was considered we called a renoviction.

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has really kind of just even charged me even more.

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that time. But also, you know, in my time at

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little bit more into issue areas, particularly working with Gen

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on like healthcare and how terrible this system is. And

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before meeting Gen, I knew that our healthcare system was terrible. Yeah,

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and you know, after knowing Gen, I can specifically articulate

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why in in depth, and so you know, like like

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issues that are really important to me and important to

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the organization I work for. Rights in Democracy is really

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giving access to things that you need to survive, Like

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you can't just get by with less housing to a

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certain extent, right, Like, sure you can downsize your home,

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but once you're a renter, I mean, your choices are

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pretty slim and you're either, you know, faced with either

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paying more money in rent or you go homeless. I

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also got to see the same similarity with healthcare, Like

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you can't go with less health care. You can't, you know,

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go with less blood pressure medication. You can't you know,

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just have a good quality of life. And then you know,

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go so long between like confusions that you might need.

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of working class people. And now particularly kind of talking

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more like today at Rights in Democracy, we put on

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a summer training series. We're gonna be doing the same

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series again this fall, and really the point is is

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that we want to help people to identify the problem,

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to be able to use the same language to identify

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the problem, and then to be able to talk about

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the solutions. One thing that I've kind of noticed in

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this observation, is that it feels like the right wing

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is really good at messaging. I was just listening to

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a podcast about Bill Clinton. It's called the Dolla. I

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absolutely love it, and I forget what the actual thing was,

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but like Bill Clinton said something silly, all right, and

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the next day, like yeah, this is like pre internet here,

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lot on social media. I'll hear it when I go

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to the Borderman and Alderman and I hear public testimony.

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of their leaders says something and they are saying the

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same thing over and over again, now heavily with what

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they're saying. I'm a little jealous of that, of how

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well they stay on message. I think sometimes problem with

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we're involved with this. We have our own unique perspectives.

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to good messaging or using terms that people don't quite understand.

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messaging of like our leaders, our members on point and

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then we are launching conversation pods with people who attend

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the training. So what we want to do in this

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they're trying to have with their family members, with their neighbors,

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with their community members, and kind of like work through,

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how to talk to somebody who might disagree with you politically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and before you do that, I mean just interject,

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one of the things that frustrates me so much as

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a little further and stronger on it. I my personal

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opinion is that Democrats are generally horrendous at messaging, absolutely

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horrendous that, you know.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And and on the shooting their own what's that, they're

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really good at shooting their own. They're really good. Can

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's it's a little choppy say that again, They're

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really good at what.

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Speaker 4: They're really good at shooting their own, especially here in

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New Hampshire. You know, prime example being this is primary seasons,

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people starting to run for different offices, but the party

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is already trying to pick their favorites and tell people

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not to run, which is absolutely wrong. The party back

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the candidate after the primary, but when it comes to

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the primary, they shouldn't be stepping in. They shouldn't be

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telling anybody whether they should run or not. The people

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make that decision when they go in and vote at

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just though I think there's a broader just

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problem with Democrats having so much difficulty communicating. And I

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always like to give this example. You know, on the

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rare occasion that a Democrat comes along who actually doesn't

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know how to communicate, well, they wind up serving two

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terms as president. You know, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, you

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know Democrats who actually understood how to talk to people

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about the issues that matter to them. But I feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also to I was just talking about this

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is that I take Trump as an example. The party

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they saw Bernie was especially in twenty twenty, they saw

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the primary, and you know, here we are today and

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now we have a second Trump term. Obviously Biden won

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that race, but what good did that do to only

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have the white House for four years. So I really

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see that, like the Republican nurture their base, and it

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seems like Democrats fight their base quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that goes to what that goes to the point

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Jenny was making about shooting their own.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now you're right, literally, the Conservatives are better

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at shooting each other.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's uh, obviously obviously obviously, Brandon, because we don't

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want to get canceled. Obviously you're referring to former Vice

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President Dick Cheney, uh shooting his lawyers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And also the two.

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Speaker 3: Guys that was a funny one, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, also conservatives. Also the guy actually, you know what,

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I want to say this. I don't know if you

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also saw, but some guy was arrested for threatening Kelly

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a I our governor here, and I saw the committee

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to elect House Republicans try to claim this guy as

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a leftist. Now, I'm not going to try to claim

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this guy was a conservative. A lot of these people

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are often they have incomprehensible politics.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: But he was also mentioning like how he wanted to like,

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you know, fight the like Jewish controlled FEDS. Doesn't really

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quite sound like a leftist to me. But again, like

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the right is really violent, and I find it really

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hilarious how they try to pinnle a lot of this

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violence on the left, even though most domestic terrorism in

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the past fifty years, like I'm talking, like like for

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every one incident of leftist terrorism in that time, there

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have been three instances of right wing terrorism.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I hear, I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: But I'm going to interject into saying that I would

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like to see us get away from all of that

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because in every instance where a murder has taken place,

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where somebody has done harmed to somebody else, there's something

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wrong with that individual, not right, not left. There's something

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mentally ill wrong with them, or something wrong that enables

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them the ability to take another human life. And that's

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what we should be talking about as a society, not

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the it's a left person, it's a right person. It's

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a grant we all can see there, you know. But

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when you get down to the the the crux of it,

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these people have an illness about them that something about

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them in their brain told them that murdering somebody was okay, right, yeah,

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So for me, so I wish that was more the conversation.

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And hey, guess what, we don't do good in mental

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health care at all. You know, we could talk about that, right,

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It's how many of these people who fell out of

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the system or were missed by the system, who were

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exhibiting signs beforehand, and people missed it, right, just like

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we do when somebody takes their own life. We miss

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those signs as a as a society. But we're in

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this point now. It's really scary because there's so much

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hate and vitrioll out there that it is giving people

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almost a permission to be harmful to one another. Right,

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Speaker 3: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: I also think too that we just have a deeply

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violent culture. So you know, I was making some jokes

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here about like right wing violence here, but I do

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want to state that, like Americans as a whole, left,

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right center whatever, we are a violent bunch. We love violence.

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Our foreign policy is violent, our domestic policy is violent.

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Speaker 3: Violence, our sports are violence.

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Speaker 4: What do we entertain ourselves with violence of a sort?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's a human thing. That's a human thing.

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Speaker 4: But in America we go too far in that. Now

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it seems like, especially in the last decade we have,

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we're etching more and more into the society.

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Speaker 3: We're going backwards.

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Speaker 4: It's okay to be a racist out front now, it's

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okay to be a white supremacist.

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Speaker 3: Now you're defended for being that.

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Speaker 2: I can't I can't recall a point in a moment

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in my lifetime up to now where it's been as

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cool to be openly racist and anti Semitic and and

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all of it and anti immigrant than it is right now.

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you know what I mean, they're they're open about it.

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They're you know, the the the Maga bros. They're they're proud,

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They're loud and proud, and they think it's great. And

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they they they're really uh, they're they're enjoying themselves. They're

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having a good time.

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Speaker 1: They're having fun. They are ye no but no, But seriously, though,

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I I okay. So I'm on TikTok a lot, and

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I really respect us. Name's Jammel Bowie. He's also a

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columnist for The New York Times. Not a great big

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fan of his publication of these days and we're a

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very big fan of him the individual, and he pointed

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out something that has made me think quite a bit

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in one of his tiktoks, which is, we are returning

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to a level of political violence not since seeing, not

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seen since the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies. You know,

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I mean, think about all the leaders that we lost

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in that time. I mean JFK, Martin, Luther King Junior,

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you know, Fred Hampton. You know, like we've had a

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lot of prominent political figures assassinated in that timeframe. And

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you know, in his opinion, yeah, we are regressing back

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to that.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we are too.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, it's a it's a really

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scary time. And you know, violence doesn't it's like it's

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especially like to have violence we're seeing today. It doesn't

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accomplish anything, if anything, Like I mean, it's really sad.

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public figure, especially on the right, you know, is attacked

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or there's an attack that's barted, my first thought is like,

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please don't let this guy be a leftist. Please don't

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let this guy be a leftist, like, because it's only

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going to give the right more justification for reprisals.

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Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter. Though. It doesn't matter, though, Brandon,

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because even no matter what his political no matter what

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the shooters political proclivities may be, the right is going

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to call them a leftist. They'll just lie about it.

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It does, so it doesn't even matter.

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Speaker 3: They'll go back on in time to do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Timothy.

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Speaker 4: McVay, Yeah, what would they say, Oh, Timothy mcveay, Right,

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they'll that all must be must be woke. You know,

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if that's and it's and that that just speaks to

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the degregation of our society the way it used to

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be is Democrats or Republicans. You could give a disagreement

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with something like Reagan would say, I can disagree with you,

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but I can get a but we can work together

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on the things that we do agree on, Like you know,

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maybe eighty percent of the things I agree with you on,

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but twenty percent we don't. Well, eighty percent, I'll work

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with you on that twenty percent. And when I served

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in the House, you know, I could be on opposite

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sides of the PODi having a debate with somebody on

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one thing, and then on the next thing we're on

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the same side, working together. On it, and it feels

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like that doesn't exist anymore. There's no coming together anymore.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: The President of the United States used to say, immediately

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after taking the oath, I am the President for all Americans.

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And now we have a president who says, I am

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the President for Republicans. But the left are demons, and

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the left are bad and evil and dehumanizing.

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Speaker 3: And the country and hate America.

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Speaker 2: That's the part that just makes me the angriest when

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I hear that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's a whole lot of people serving in

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this military that fall on the left side of the

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political spectrum that would be really offended by that, not

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to mention a whole lot of the rest of us.

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You know, I consider myself a patriot. I've always considered

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myself a patriot. I was a proud first responder. One

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of the proudest things I ever got to do was

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so the America can flag onto my jackets. I like

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that is a memory that was etched in me, getting

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to sew the flag on my shoulders, when I got

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my bunker jacket, when I you know, got my gear,

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and to have anybody tell me that I'm not a patriot,

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My grandfather's name is inscribed on harmon wall at Norwich

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University after thirty years in the marine.

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Speaker 3: Screw you.

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Speaker 4: My family knows plenty about this country, and we're very proud,

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and we're very patriotic.

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Speaker 3: And how dare you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's more patriotic than being able to debate with

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one another?

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Speaker 1: Well that's what they claim. But the thing about it

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is they don't really want you know, and I don't

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want to do leg a left right thing here, but

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like I do just have a lot of this on

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my mind right now, considering, you know, the assassination of

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Charlie Kirk, you know, eight days ago. You know, like

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we're seeing like Jimmy Kimmel get you know, indefinitely suspected

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did from you know, his talk show for not even

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making fun of Charlie Kirk. He was making fun of

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trust to Charlie Kirk. You know, I think Stephen Colbert,

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the highest rated uh you know, nighttime show, gets canceled

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for his jokes. Literally, He's literally got canceled for jokes

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about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: And that's what just happened here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and just and maybe I'm spending a

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little too much time on social media here, but like

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I I really like to follow the right quite a bit.

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Like I'm still on Twitter, I'm never calling it X.

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And I've been seeing a lot of like the rhetoric

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that's been that's been kind of coming out here. And

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I mean, these people just went from like you know,

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like six months ago, being like I should have a

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right to say that black people have a lower IQ.

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you're not mourning Charlie Murk, Charlie Kirk sufficiently, you know,

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and like what I want to say, he did not

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deserve to be to be killed. He did not deserved

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to be murdered. But also I got it didn't sit

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right with me how much the media has kind of

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whitewashed what he said, like, oh, he just wanted you know,

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the spirit of debate. It's like, now this guy would just.

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Speaker 4: Spirit of debate is not complaining about Jewish money and things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And like going to campus and talking

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to some like high eighteen year old and then like

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finding like you know, like the dumbest clip and then

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posting that online Like that's not really good faith debate.

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That's not really like listening to each other, like he

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was just trying to get slammed dunks and he had

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a radical agenda that was incredibly hateful. So I think

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sometimes when I point that out, people say, like, what

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you think he deserved to die? And like, but also

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I'm not going to whitewash his legacy either, Like he

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believed really hateful things, right, he.

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Speaker 4: Said that if he saw a black pilot, he'd be

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really worried.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd literally you know, like that's how.

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Speaker 3: We would do. So what would he say?

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Speaker 4: I wonder what his opinion was for a female pilot,

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because we all know that he thinks a woman's place

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is in the home, in giving birth, and it's that

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kind of thinking that puts a lot of women in

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bad places. And I could speak from that personally. Did

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the man deserve to be murdered? No, nobody deserves to

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be murdered. I'm anti death penalty for any you know, period.

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And you know, he had every right to spew whatever

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he wanted to spew and to debate people on that.

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We might I don't necessarily agree with how or what

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he might say, but that doesn't give anybody the right

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to take him away from this.

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Speaker 3: For them, there are two children that.

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Speaker 4: Are going to grow up and they're not even gonna

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have a memory of their father because they're too young

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that they will have no memory of their dad. And

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that's super awful, horrible, And Jimmy Kimmel didn't say anything

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to the contrary of that. He didn't say that murder

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was correct at all. He was Trump was literally asked

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about the guy's murder, and he flipped the conversation to

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his ballroom, like, go watch what Jimmy Kendall actually said

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and what he was playing, and he was picking on Trump.

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Because Trump didn't go, gee, you know, sorry, yes, I'm

477
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,799
very sad. He immediately changed the conversation to check out

478
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all this equipment over here. We're building the ballroom they've

479
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,440
wanted for the last one hundred and fifty years, because

480
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you know, for the last one hundred and fifty years,

481
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,279
the Americans have been complaining about not having a ballroom

482
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,160
in the White House, not about not having chemo for

483
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their children.

484
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Speaker 2: Carolyn Poole put in a comment that's worth reading because

485
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it's on this subject read earlier, that they want Kimmel

486
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to apologize and give a substantial donation to the family

487
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:38,200
and his Foundation. By the way, there is there is something,

488
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,920
there's another element to this whole thing. There's a common

489
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,960
thread between what happened to Colbert and what has happened

490
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,559
to Jimmy Kimmel is that in both instances, there is

491
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a merger that someone wants to get approved. So they

492
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that's why they So that's why Colbert is his contract

493
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,359
does not be He's still on, but his contract is

494
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,200
not being renewed. And that's I think the real reason

495
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,440
they've done this to Jimmy Kimmel. They want to make

496
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,960
sure that that these mergers that are happening behind the

497
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,119
scenes get approved. And that's the real reason they're acquiescing

498
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,559
to Trump is is uh is money folly? Yeah?

499
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Also also full full transparency here. You know, I am

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an anti capitalist, I am a socialist, and I think

501
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,519
that this is a great example about how capital conspires

502
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,039
with bascists. See what is it viacom? And then what

503
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,599
is it? Is it? Uh? What's the name of the

504
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,640
bachel parent company? Was it Byte Dance or something like that? Oh? Uh,

505
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:37,960
sky Dance, sky Dance, yeah, whatever.

506
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,319
Speaker 2: Dance is TikTok yeah, skydance Yeah.

507
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's the thing. The the interest of Viacom

508
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,799
and sky Dance is only to make money and they

509
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:51,200
do not care about you know, like the concept of

510
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,039
free speech. They don't care about democracy. Their only job

511
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,920
is to make money for their shareholders or whoever. And

512
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,640
by the way, this is a problem in healthcare and

513
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,960
housing as well too. There's no regard for human rights.

514
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,559
There's no regard for any of this except for making money.

515
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,680
And you know, I think that this is really like

516
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,440
a canary in the coal mine here. If you've looked

517
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,359
at how like authoritarian governments have risen in any part

518
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,440
of the world. The media, the comedians are usually the

519
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,359
first targets because they are the most visible targets, right

520
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,279
And I think that's exactly what's happening right here, Like

521
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:29,680
we don't have freedom of speech, Like go ahead and

522
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,279
say your true thoughts about who Charlie Kirk was, say

523
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:35,519
your true thoughts about you know, Israel committing a genocide,

524
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:37,839
you know, say your true thoughts.

525
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,559
Speaker 3: You know, people are losing their jobs with Donald Trumps.

526
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 4: They say something negative about Charlie Kirk, they're losing their

527
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,960
jobs if they disagreed with his opinion. And a lot

528
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,440
of these people have said nothing that supports a murder

529
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,319
or what happened to this man, because it's horrible. Yeah,

530
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,680
none of us, and none of these people are saying, oh,

531
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,359
he deserved it, because nobody deserves to have their life

532
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,079
taken from them.

533
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: That's just no.

534
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,799
Speaker 2: I mean, just for the record, I think he was

535
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,079
a bad guy. I think you put a lot of

536
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,599
really toxic things out into the universe in terms of

537
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:16,319
his politics. But that being said, I'm absolutely horrified. But

538
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,119
what happened to this man, my god, And that's I mean,

539
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,480
I mean, it's chilling. I think it's horrible and and

540
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:23,039
I could if it can happen to him, it could

541
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:23,799
happen to any of us.

542
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 4: But going beyond that, though, let's expand this a little bit,

543
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because what's really bothering me is the assault on the

544
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,799
press period. Not just that these guys are getting taken

545
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,680
off the air, but the press in general is being assaulted.

546
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720
People are losing their jobs in that regard. And if

547
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,240
you look at like I was watching a video earlier

548
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,559
from one of the press guys who were in la

549
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:50,680
during with Ice trying to stand up with Ice and

550
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,160
them literally being targeted and shot at with these less

551
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,880
than lethal like the guy had to have emergency surgery.

552
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,400
They had to take this thing out of his leg.

553
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,440
It was really bad. But the press are being assaulted intentionally,

554
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,720
Like they're very obviously press, but they're they're being targeted.

555
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:11,559
And the only reason to target the press is to

556
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,519
silence them so that people don't know what's going on.

557
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,200
Why else do you target the press exactly, and to

558
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,920
control the message. So if we're attacking the press, if

559
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,759
we're attacking people and costing them their jobs, if they

560
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:28,480
say it's something you don't like, we're what free speech?

561
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:33,279
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean well also too. It's kind of

562
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,440
complicated here because in some ways I also do blame

563
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,440
the press for normalizing Trump, especially like what they're doing today.

564
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,400
I just don't think that they have done a good job,

565
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,200
Like they're kind of in this weird middle position where

566
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,240
they don't want to lose their access to Trump and

567
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,519
other Republicans. And by way, this is true of any

568
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:55,920
like this even applies to Democrats to as well, but

569
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,119
I think it's incredibly worse on the on the right here.

570
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:05,119
But like they they normalize Trump, they you know, like

571
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:10,599
ABC again, like they cowed down to Trump, you know,

572
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,680
in this very instance, with Jimmy Kimmel right here. So

573
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
it's like, you know, they're being attacked for you know,

574
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,279
opposing Trump or having one of their employees opposed Trump.

575
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But at the same time, like a lot of media,

576
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,880
like executives and media owners, they are in lockstep. They

577
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240
love Trump, tax cuts, they love a lot, they love

578
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,960
the bill. So it's always kind of this weird balancing act.

579
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,559
But the press always ends up getting burned anyways, Like

580
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,920
anytime you try to appeal to a fascist, you're going

581
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,559
to get burned.

582
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,519
Speaker 2: True, true, Well, loyalty when it comes to Trump only

583
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:45,599
goes one way ultimately.

584
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, well, I mean yeah, exactly.

585
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

586
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Speaker 1: So it's a losing game and I feel like we're

587
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all paying the price for it, you.

588
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Speaker 2: Know, mm hmmmm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I think it should be a little bit more optimistic though.

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00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,519
Speaker 2: So let's kind of circle back to the part about messaging,

591
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:07,279
because you know, we've talked about a lot about again,

592
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:09,880
these are these are examples, right because you mentioned how

593
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,599
the right is so much better at messaging, and and

594
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,799
here here we are we've been talking about. This is

595
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,480
how they control the message. Here's an example. You know,

596
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,680
what's happening right now, so so what what is the solution,

597
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,680
because you started to talk about earlier Brandon solutions as

598
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,319
far as how democrats can get better, because, like I say,

599
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:30,559
by the way, I'll just give you a quick example

600
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of how I feel democrats are horrendous at messaging and

601
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and and maybe maybe you can maybe you have an

602
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,839
idea of how to fix us. This is a rant

603
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,920
I'm sure as Jenny's heard me say this before. During

604
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,000
the Biden administration, when uh, the economy was actually doing

605
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:49,920
extraordinarily well coming out of COVID and except for inflation,

606
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,039
that was like the one major problem that everyone was

607
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,920
complaining about. But we actually we were doing better on

608
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,279
inflation than the entire rest of the industrialized world. Coming

609
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,839
out of inflation. We actually had the lowest inflation of anybody.

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But we had a president who couldn't manage to put

611
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,759
these sentences together to explain to the American people, Yes,

612
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,680
we understand prices are too high, I know, but we're

613
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,039
actually doing better than the rest of the world and

614
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,119
this will get better. To just hang in there, because

615
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,200
the fundamentals of the economy are actually extraordinarily strong, record

616
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,400
low unemployment. You know, all everything else about the economy

617
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,440
is great. We have this one problem, but we'll get

618
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,480
through it. But we are doing better than everyone else

619
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:28,279
we had. We had a you know, at that point,

620
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:32,079
a near octagenarian president who who couldn't I mean we

621
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,599
all saw the debate. I mean Biden could barely you know,

622
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,680
he was not the messenger he was at one time.

623
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,000
And and but unfortunately, because the Democrats are so bad

624
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,720
at messaging, there really wasn't anybody else in the Democratic

625
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,759
Party who could explain what I just did either. So

626
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,039
this is this is an example of where that's That's

627
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,960
an example of where I'm coming from, where something should

628
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,319
be very, very easy and simple to explain. I'm not

629
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,880
an economist, I'm not even good at math, but I

630
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,359
understood and I can and I can explain it, but nobody.

631
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,799
It's like once Democrats get elected, it's like they forget

632
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:09,079
how to explain anything to people. It's really strange. But

633
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,519
but how do we fix that? Well?

634
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: I do want to push back a little bit here

635
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,559
because I don't think actually the economy was that good though,

636
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,519
because I mean, you did explain inflation, but I believe

637
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,759
that like they could have talked about well, they talked

638
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:24,839
a little bit about corporate greed depending on like who

639
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,799
you were listening to. Yeah, but there's this weird balancing

640
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,960
act that Biden had to make was that like, listen,

641
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,799
the economy is really good right now, and don't talk

642
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,559
about inflation at all. Like look at the stock market,

643
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,160
look at you know, like, hey, we have like you know,

644
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:41,160
we're routing jobs. But it's like, you know, are people

645
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,480
going from working in a factory to going to work

646
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,279
out like RB's you know, for like considerably less. So

647
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:49,720
I think also it's really important about messaging is actually

648
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,720
having a good policy, having a good plate of policies.

649
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: Agreed.

650
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: I can't really tell you what, like Harris's plan was

651
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,960
on healthcare. I couldn't really tell you like what like

652
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,680
like she had like a housing plan that was going

653
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,480
to give first time home buyers twenty thousand dollars. But

654
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,400
I'll tell you right now, I make the medium wage

655
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,119
in Manchester. Throwing that twenty thousand dollars help throw in

656
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,760
an extra hundred thousand dollars, I'm still not qualifying for

657
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,880
a mortgage anywhere in the city. The city that I

658
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,800
grew up in, and that was you know, working, It

659
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,239
was a working class town. And it's harder and harder

660
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,559
for folks, and they never really acknowledged, you know, like

661
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,719
the the like they'll play a lip service like, oh,

662
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,039
housing's really expensive. We're gonna you know, get more horrible housing.

663
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,400
How are you gonna do that?

664
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: Right?

665
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm not seeing you know, any prominent

666
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,800
Democrats maybe outside of like like the Bernie Sanders you know,

667
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,639
you know, you know, the Corey Bushes or yeah, yeah,

668
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,880
but you know she did to leave as well, Like

669
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,199
you're not seeing like, hey, we need to invest in

670
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,960
public housing. We need to repeal the Faircloth Amendment, which

671
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,880
prevents us from adding new housing units without destroying existing

672
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,440
housing units. A lot of these solutions are private markettions

673
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,960
that are making developers wealthy, and they're leaving you know,

674
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,840
the poor and working class. Well there's really only the

675
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,480
working class. Uh, you know they're leaving this you know,

676
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,679
basic human need to be unaccessible. So I think like, like,

677
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:17,119
like a really good first point of good messaging is

678
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,679
we actually need something to.

679
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 2: Message, have a policy that you can articulate. Yeah yeah, right.

680
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and here's the thing I'm not I I

681
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,599
have critiques of Bernie Sanders, even though I did just

682
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,199
praise him quite a bit year, but I would say

683
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,000
he was probably one of the best messengers that the

684
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:38,360
party has ever seen, Like you like what he actually supported,

685
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,559
Like what's Bernie gonna do about, you know, skyrocketing health

686
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:45,360
care costs? Oh Medicare for All, Like these are like

687
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:49,000
solid policies that you can go out and communicate to them.

688
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:52,800
So I tend to believe that, you know, our future

689
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,280
presidents should be current aldermen or city councilors or state

690
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,599
senators at this time. So I really think that focusing

691
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:04,920
as local as we can, it's where you have the

692
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,679
most control. I say that, like we need to be

693
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,199
holding our local uh you know, I mean really any

694
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,920
level too, but holding our elected officials accountable, demanding that

695
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,320
they actually have solid policies that we can go out

696
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,760
and communicate. And I think also what's really important as

697
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,039
well too, is like, you know, being present in your community.

698
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,719
You know, I recommend to anybody here, like go to

699
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,199
your like your city hall, go to a Bordemar and

700
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,400
Algrin meeting, go to like, you know, a committee meeting

701
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,079
up at the state House. If you can spend some

702
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:39,440
time and conquered, you really see how like what's going

703
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:43,800
on and communicating you know, whether it's a podcast, whether

704
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,920
you know, it's a coffee hour that you want to

705
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,000
do with some friends where you kind of like discuss everything.

706
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,360
But then also I think it's really good that like

707
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,800
we're that we need to be like recruiting people to

708
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,559
run for these positions, supporting them to get elected, and

709
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,159
then also working with them while they're in powered or

710
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:03,760
you know, the work doesn't stop as soon as the

711
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,519
election's over, that's when the work really just begins. So

712
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,199
I really value you know, getting friends together, getting a

713
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,599
group and trying to make as much change as you can,

714
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,920
even if it's just like a little bit like maybe

715
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,440
it's making you know, the zone and codes in your

716
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,239
city like more lax. Maybe it's you know, advocating for

717
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,159
universal childcare and you know, the state house. But I

718
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:33,559
really think that like the core there is like we

719
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:37,800
need good candidates that actually stand for stuff. And also,

720
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,280
mind you too, I'm not I'm not an elected I'm

721
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,639
not a Democrat anymore. You know, I work for a

722
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,320
non partisan organization, and I think that if you're really

723
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,760
frustrated with the Democratic Party, we really need to be

724
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,239
decentering the Democratic Party. They are not going to save us.

725
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,760
They do not want to listen to us. They do

726
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,880
not want to hear what we have to say. They

727
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,960
want to stick you know, their fingers in their ears

728
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,599
and say like, let's send out like another like fourteen postcards,

729
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,159
you know, two weeks before election. You know, they're not

730
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,480
expanding their base at all, you know, Like I've knocked

731
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,440
a lot of doors for various Democrats in my time,

732
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,559
specifically here in Manchester, and I can tell you I've

733
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,320
noticed that the doors are getting further and further apart.

734
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,519
The party is not adding new people, especially compared to

735
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:28,039
Republicans and independents. It really tells me something that, you know,

736
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:31,280
when a plurality of the people here in Manchester are

737
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,920
choosing to register as independence, it would make me think

738
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,639
if I were a party leader, like why are people opting,

739
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,079
you know, not to associate with my party? Now? Maybe

740
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:43,400
they want to vote both primaries, right, but the mythod

741
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,920
like a true independent is not real. Like most independents

742
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:52,000
vote one way most of the time, right right, There

743
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,159
are like split ticket voters here and there, But people

744
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:57,840
don't want to associate with the brand of the Democratic

745
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,119
Party because what does the Democratic already actually stand for?

746
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,199
So I personally have tried to change the party within.

747
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:08,559
I'm I got really tired of that, so I do

748
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,800
my issue advocacy. I like to say I help any

749
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,800
good person running for office here, if they happen to

750
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,840
be a Democrat, then great. But I really don't think

751
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,480
that the party is going to be the basis of

752
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:25,800
our salvation. It's going to be people that are forming groups,

753
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:29,320
people that are working together, building their own power, and

754
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,360
then having the party come to you, Like we need

755
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,239
to have like a strong group of people here in

756
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,719
New Hampshire that are just advocating for medicare for all.

757
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,400
And these people are willing to knock on doors, They're

758
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,360
willing to make phone calls, they're willing to camp paign

759
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,480
for a candidate if they support this one issue, Like

760
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:49,079
you know, I mentioned Medicare for alls as an example.

761
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,400
I think that's really the only way. Like we can't

762
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:55,519
ask the Democratic Party to, you know, drop their corporate donors,

763
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,239
like they are going to have to realize that they

764
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,280
don't have a big support anymore. But we overhear you

765
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,760
and we will help you. But here are conditions. I

766
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,960
don't really I don't really see any any better way,

767
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,960
if I'm being honest with you.

768
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: But well, you know, for a long time I called

769
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,679
myself an independent because I didn't want to be associated

770
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:19,320
with either party, either of the two major parties, and

771
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,480
I kind of still don't. But then, you know, I

772
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:23,639
sort of gave in, I guess you could say, and said,

773
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:26,480
I'll just start calling myself a Democrat again because I'm

774
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,519
not changing my registrate. You know, I don't bother to

775
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,760
change my registration back and forth. And at this point,

776
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,599
I think there's I mean, unless something drastic changes on

777
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:38,559
the right, I don't think I'll ever vote for another Republican,

778
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,599
you know, I mean, most of my most of my

779
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:43,920
votes over the years have been for Democrats anyway, but

780
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,559
I have voted for independence at certain times, and and

781
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:49,880
I have voted for Republicans a couple of times, usually

782
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:51,880
just if it happened to be in a local election

783
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,239
and there was a Republican on the ballot who I

784
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,159
knew personally and who I felt was someone of integrity.

785
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,440
Even if I didn't necessarily agree with them on everything,

786
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,559
I might I might vote for them, and I will

787
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,119
publicly acknowledge and Jenny knows this about me, I did.

788
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,480
I kind of regret it in hindsight, but I did

789
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:12,800
vote for Kristan Nunu a couple of times. Ideologically the

790
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,360
kind of here, this is how low the bar is for,

791
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,719
you know, the type of Republican I would accept. But

792
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,599
ideologically Kristan Nunu uh, always seemed to me that the

793
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,840
kind of of Republican who does not entirely terrify me,

794
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,000
you know what I mean, like a like a Northeastern

795
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:38,559
moderate Republican who I don't think is totally evil. So yeah,

796
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:40,760
in hindsight, I regret it because as soon as it

797
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,119
became inconvenient to him to continue to oppost Trump, he

798
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,880
just completely gave in and got right back on the

799
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,400
Trump train. So now I regret it because I don't

800
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,480
think he has any character.

801
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: But uh, I don't think. I don't. I don't really

802
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,679
think Snonia stands for really anything other than maybe his

803
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,880
family's legacy, you know, but definitely yeah, like he he's

804
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,679
not you know, he's not like the the Laura Lumer

805
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,079
type of conservative. You know that's saying like florides, turning

806
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:14,079
your kids trends or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

807
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,039
you know, but he's if anything, it's more kind of

808
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,400
like a dangerous like I think it's more dangerous, you know,

809
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:22,400
like he's affable, like the media in New Hampshire loves

810
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,039
to New New Yes, you know, I actually used to

811
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:26,960
be his tracker. I used to used to film him

812
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,039
giving speeches and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

813
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,199
I can tell you every reporter that he bumped into

814
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:38,519
like instant pals with them. You know. He's just yeah, yeah,

815
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,119
and he and he kind of has a tendency to

816
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:43,840
say yes to like the last person that he talked to, yeah,

817
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,480
which is honestly sometimes a huge plus in politics, you know, uh,

818
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,599
you know, just kind of saying oh yeah, oh yeah,

819
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,920
that sounds great to me. You know, like he said,

820
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,719
he said like things about like not wanting to change

821
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,960
the abortion laws in New Hampshire, ends up signing a

822
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,440
bill doing that anyway.

823
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: So you know he and that they buried it inside

824
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,280
the budget.

825
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like and that's I mean,

826
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,159
it's calculated, and I gotta respect.

827
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: That utilized rate by medical instrumentation.

828
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:16,039
Speaker 2: But he could but he so but speaking of that too,

829
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:22,679
so Sanudu also could just blatantly there was Jenny and I, Uh,

830
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,360
this was a number of years ago now, but there

831
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,000
was a podcast that Jenny and I became aware of.

832
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:28,760
I don't remember what show was on, but Sonunu was

833
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,920
on this right wing podcast. And Sanuduo had always portrayed

834
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,039
himself publicly as being as being a pro choice Republican

835
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,880
and it consistently pro choice, and that was something he

836
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,280
was never going to budge on on this podcast. The

837
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,760
podcaster kind of asks him about that, and Sanudu actually said, well,

838
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,599
I don't think there's a I don't think you'll find

839
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:52,199
a more pro life governor in the entire country. I've

840
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,679
I've been consistently pro life.

841
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,079
Speaker 4: Like he just blatantly lies in front of a right

842
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,679
wing reporter and his whole lingo changed.

843
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: I liked that man. I liked that man. I voted

844
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:04,760
for that man.

845
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: But what he signed that budget into law knowing farewell

846
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,920
that there was a mandate in there that would force

847
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,280
rape by medical instrumentation, which when I say that, that

848
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,639
means forcing a transvaginal ultrasound on anyone prior to them

849
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,280
being allowed to have an abortion, regardless of siety of

850
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,639
circumstances of what have you. I was done that. That's

851
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:36,440
just disgusting, beyond disgusting. Yeah, there's no coming back from

852
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,079
signing something like that. You should have said, nope, go

853
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:42,719
fix it, take that out, not going to do this.

854
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,719
And later, but not until after it had been law

855
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:52,840
for a year in this state. And I have no

856
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,719
idea how many women or young girls were put through

857
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,360
something that they should have never been forced to go through.

858
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,760
That there was one should be forced to go through

859
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:07,440
prior to an abortion. It was law for a year.

860
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,679
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was ever enforced him anyway,

861
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:11,519
because I don't know if most people even realize it

862
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:11,840
was there.

863
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: Do you think that the medical community goes against the law,

864
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,440
You're crazy because they lose their licenses to practice if

865
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:21,440
the law says you must do this.

866
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,119
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in a terrible situation.

867
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: No, I know, I'm just I'm just saying I think.

868
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: It happened to one person. That's one person too, I agree,

869
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,599
But nothing like that should ever be in law. That

870
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,320
should never be in law. But of course I'm taking

871
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:45,320
this a little up. But he was supposedly pro choice and.

872
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: Then yeah, and if I'm going to tie this back

873
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,000
in though, this is because like no one's really held

874
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,840
new accountable for anything. The media in New Hampshire absolutely

875
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,199
has not, and part of that has been because local

876
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,599
journalism has been so gutted. A lot of like the

877
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,000
people that I've been and conquered, you know, for decades,

878
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:07,440
have told me like every like you know, major for

879
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,880
New Hampshire publication would have their own state House reporter.

880
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,599
And now when I talk to like reporters from like NHPR,

881
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,800
Union Leader, Conquered Monitor, you're seeing them having to cover

882
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,400
the state House and a bunch of other stuff too,

883
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:26,199
So like there's not really a lot of attention necessarily

884
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,880
paid to what's actually going on. And also to like

885
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,000
these reporters don't want to lose their access to the politicians,

886
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:35,599
holding them accountable is again kind of like a balancing act.

887
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,880
So I really think that's kind of where like citizens

888
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,960
kind of have to fill that void. We shouldn't have

889
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:44,199
to necessarily, But I really think that like we really

890
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,639
should be drawing more attention and talking about the things

891
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,639
that we're seeing a conquered or like our local city

892
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,199
hall or or really.

893
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: Don't suppressed challenges at all, No, not at all, Like

894
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:58,840
you know, a lot if anything they they.

895
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:03,079
Speaker 4: I don't, for lack of a better term, they whitewashed stuff. Okay,

896
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:07,719
when the Nazis were in conquered and they did a

897
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,639
Nazi match salute down the street, WMUR.

898
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: Reported they were walking.

899
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,559
Speaker 4: They walked down the street. They did not walk down

900
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:19,360
the street. We were there, We saw it, We videotaped it.

901
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,679
They were watching and doing the tittle hitler thing. And

902
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:27,360
when they said that, I was so angry by the

903
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,960
way that they said it and made it sound like

904
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,760
to me, it was like they were saying the person

905
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,639
that they assaulted it was their fault, that it was

906
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:39,840
the person's fault they got assaulted by these people just

907
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:41,360
walking down the street.

908
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: I think they refused. They didn't even call them Nazis,

909
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,840
and they they kind of made it sound like they

910
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,360
were just out for a summer stroll and somebody got

911
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,840
in their way or something. NBC News ten in Boston

912
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,480
did a much better job. Yeah, they also saw their

913
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:57,280
report and they did a really good job, and they

914
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,480
called them neo Nazis and they were and and they

915
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,000
they covered exactly what happened. But Channel nine just really

916
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:05,639
was like, like.

917
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 3: Those call themselves Nazis, they're very proud of who they are.

918
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: They carry the Nazi flag, they did the Hail Hitler salute,

919
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,559
they were saying Ale Hitler. They I mean, they're not

920
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,840
quiet about being Nazis. The fact that the media doesn't

921
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,320
have enough courage to call them that is alarming because

922
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,559
that's how the media has gotten.

923
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: Some of the media, Like I said, NBC town out

924
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:27,840
of Boston.

925
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: Maybe, yes, they did do a much better Dan, Yes

926
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:30,840
they did it.

927
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,559
Speaker 1: Funny though that like a Boston a Boston media organization

928
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:42,000
like covers New Hampshire better than New Hampshire media like has. Yeah,

929
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:44,760
it's absolutely wild to me. And I will say, like

930
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,599
they are in Bolden because Trump is in office. Oh yeah,

931
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,440
a lot between twenty sixteen twenty twenties here in Manchester

932
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,119
and you know, the four years that you know that

933
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,360
Biden was president, you know they were they were sad,

934
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,920
they were sad. But as soon as Trump got reelected,

935
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,039
you know, I've seen my friends and I have seen

936
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,400
an increase in Nazi stickers being posted all over Manchester

937
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,960
seeing we're seeing these people that are proud to be marching.

938
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,519
And then we have a.

939
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 4: Business Downstown that was assaulted. There was a bit of

940
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,280
a street that had a swastika painted on their window.

941
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:23,840
And there was also last weekend at the Mosaic, not

942
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:27,760
in the Mosaic or collective itself, but the bathroom just

943
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,639
outside of it, the men's bathroom.

944
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,599
Speaker 3: There was something put there that was racial.

945
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:37,599
Speaker 4: That actually, uh, which is why they're doing a fundraiser

946
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,719
right now for Black Lives Matter because of what was

947
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:40,719
written in that bathroom.

948
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what was said, I just know

949
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:44,960
that it was bad enough.

950
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, As kind of going back to the media, So

951
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,119
what's been really frustrating is a lot of ridiculous stuff

952
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:56,280
gets said, specifically in the inter State House, and w

953
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,119
WR does not cover it. The UNI Leader does not

954
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,800
cover it. And somebody from WMR has told a friend

955
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:08,079
of mine that WMR does not cover anything in the

956
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:11,519
New Hampshire State House unless it gets regional media attention.

957
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,679
They are so afraid to actually call anything out, and

958
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,280
so they're not really doing their due diligence to inform

959
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,320
the citizenry, like wm R if you want to know

960
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,239
what happened during the legislative session, Like they don't cover

961
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,639
anything really, So it's like there's not really a lot

962
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:32,960
of good sources of information and these processes, like you know,

963
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:36,119
the process as genos like passing a bill, you know,

964
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,840
to somebody that doesn't really know the legislative process, it's

965
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,840
really complex. Like you need people that know, you know

966
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,239
something about the process. You need to know, you know

967
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,440
what an executive you know what an executive session is

968
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,679
on a committee. You know, they need to know, like

969
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,199
what does an expedient to legislate actually mean. It's really

970
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,639
difficult for the average person who's busy with a lot

971
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:57,440
of things to be able to kind of discern that.

972
00:50:58,039 --> 00:50:59,719
So again, I think that's kind of where like you know,

973
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,440
like we and I think you're doing this yere at

974
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,840
your show, is you know, showing people like what is

975
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,280
actually going on, to talk about it and to maybe

976
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,480
actually do something about it.

977
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, indeed, Like I always say, you may

978
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,519
not get into politics, but politics gets in there the

979
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:19,880
aspect of your life.

980
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,639
Speaker 3: Everything that you do, breathe, eat, drink, think about has

981
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,840
got some level of government involved in it. So you

982
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,239
should be a little more concerned with what those critters

983
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:31,639
are doing.

984
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't care about politics, your boss, your landlord,

985
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:36,800
and your insurance companies certainly do.

986
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, absolutely, absolutely, Well, we've been on

987
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,760
for almost an hour. Is there a we can start

988
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,400
to wind this down? But I mean, I mean, is

989
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,599
there anything we didn't discuss? I mean we're not on

990
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,519
a you know, on the podcast here, We're not on

991
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:54,639
a particular schedule or anything. So if there's anything we

992
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:56,679
didn't get into that that either of you want to

993
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:57,760
touch on, we certainly can.

994
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of one thing that's been kind of

995
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,239
on my mind, kind of keeping it local here in

996
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:11,800
New Hampshire. So, as a community organizer, I like to

997
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,559
spend a lot of time in the field. I like

998
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,320
to leave the house. I like to go all over

999
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,400
the state talk to as many people as I can.

1000
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,840
And you know, I'm a chatty person. I'm an organizer

1001
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,519
and a leader of ours. At rad invited me out

1002
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,320
to the Antrim Home and Harvest Festival this weekend and

1003
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,360
you know, they had like a bunch of table set

1004
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,760
up on Main Street. I don't know if you've ever

1005
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,400
been to Antrim, it's cute as hell. I love it.

1006
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,079
That's a very cute downtown and so like I was

1007
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:42,840
just like striking up conversations with people and kind of

1008
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,440
asking them them like so like you know, I'm just

1009
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,039
stopping it from Manchester, like what are like the issues

1010
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:50,199
like out here, Like what problems are people facing? And

1011
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,199
virtually everyone I talked to said, like the school funding,

1012
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:57,360
you know, like our school budget is raising our property taxes.

1013
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,679
And when I go all over the state, it's pretty

1014
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,960
much a similar story. Our property taxes are through the

1015
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:06,800
roof here and a lot of this and a lot

1016
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,679
of people don't realize this is like this is tied

1017
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,920
directly because the state is not providing municipalities, you know,

1018
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:18,119
with like adequate education funding. We've slashed the interest in

1019
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:21,159
dividends tax, which I like to call it the millionaire's tax,

1020
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:25,639
and then that burden is following more heavily on the

1021
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,000
working class here in New Hampshire. You know, property taxes

1022
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,480
are really regressive. And actually, my friend John Kuiper did

1023
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,320
really good TikTok about this where he compared a home

1024
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,480
and I want to say it was just not a

1025
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:41,559
Portsmouth that was like one of those surrounding towns. It

1026
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:46,599
was a home that was about six hundred thousand dollars

1027
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,480
out there, and he did the property tax assessment on it,

1028
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,079
and their property taxes for the year. I think we're

1029
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,800
something like, you know, like nine thousand bucks, and then

1030
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,079
he finds a house half the cost and new market

1031
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,440
and which is much more work in class, and did

1032
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:05,480
the property tax calculation, and the tax bill was the same.

1033
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,960
So when we have a system that relies so heavily

1034
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,760
on property taxes, the people that can afford it the

1035
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,280
least end up paying a higher share of what they're

1036
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,760
actually taking in what their homes are worth. And we're

1037
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,880
not really considering, like, how else could we be raising

1038
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,559
revenue in this state. And I think that a lot

1039
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,880
of particularly Democrats, are really afraid to talk about things like,

1040
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,599
you know, like not even just reinstating the millionaire's tax,

1041
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,320
but even upping it. I think that we need some

1042
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,519
sort of progressive income tax in the state to invest

1043
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,320
in things like education so that the students here don't

1044
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,920
graduate with some of the highest amount of debt in

1045
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,000
the country. That we need to be investing in rural hospitals.

1046
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,079
There is a hospital in Franklin that's closing down soon

1047
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,880
and people in the North Country hospital.

1048
00:54:54,679 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't conquered bought that Franklin hospital, the only

1049
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:04,239
one that I know of that's in Franklin, which would

1050
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,039
mean that means all of those patients will either have

1051
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:12,360
to be going to Lakes Region, Dartmouth or Conquered Hospital.

1052
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's that's not cool. That's I.

1053
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: Was just talking to somebody in Gilmington today, one of

1054
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,679
one of our tendees of our training series. You're saying

1055
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,159
that paramedics are actually training on how to give birth

1056
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,800
in a car or an ambulance.

1057
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:32,519
Speaker 2: Wow, we already do that.

1058
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,079
Speaker 3: They already do that. But they already do that.

1059
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: They've had six berths in the ambulance in the past years. Shoot, yeah, because.

1060
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I get what you're saying.

1061
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:46,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's no there's no well New London Hospital

1062
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,519
closed their obstructors a long time ago. Franklin closers. If

1063
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,760
you go here in Manchester CMC closed, there's years ago.

1064
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:55,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1065
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nowhere to have a baby.

1066
00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 4: You can have a baby a Conquered Hospital at Dartmouth,

1067
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,000
I think, Lakes Region and Elliott.

1068
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 3: But that's not a lot used to be every hospital

1069
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,880
delivery not anymore. And that's the thing about there's gonna

1070
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,079
be a lot of stork pins going on.

1071
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 4: But you know that's scary because that's that's a lot

1072
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,360
of risk when you're you know, something goes wrong and

1073
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,280
they bleed out.

1074
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: There's yeah, there's a lot of things that can go wrong.

1075
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,119
Speaker 4: It's better to be in a controlled environment or at

1076
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:29,880
least in a in a in a midwiffery.

1077
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,639
Speaker 3: Situation where you've got.

1078
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's The next thing gonna tell me is the

1079
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:38,679
cops are going to be training to deliver because they

1080
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,400
make it to the scene sometimes first.

1081
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I think that I don't see enough

1082
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,280
of this on the left, I think particularly, you know,

1083
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,920
unfortunately Democrats are the main you know, party of power

1084
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,760
on the left, but I'm not really seeing a lot

1085
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,760
of messaging, particularly from the newancial Democrats about like how like,

1086
00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:00,639
you know, these things are not just costs to a community,

1087
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:03,239
They're an investment in a community. Like why would you

1088
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,519
want to move into a community where if you're going

1089
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,519
to start a family, you know it's going to be

1090
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:09,880
forty five minutes at like the quickest to be able

1091
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,519
to get to a maternity ward. No, that's scary, you know,

1092
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:14,760
you know, like if we're not putting money into these

1093
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,559
basic things, like these are services, they're not supposed to

1094
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:21,119
be making money, Like highways don't make money.

1095
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,599
Speaker 4: It's not just not too The other side of that

1096
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:27,880
coin is when that ambulance is traveling that much farther

1097
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,679
another twenty minutes to get to the next closest hospital,

1098
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,519
that's your crew and your ambulance that's out of town.

1099
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,880
So if you're an andover New Hampshire and used to

1100
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,440
bring your patient to Franklin, now you're bringing your patient

1101
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:46,239
to Conquered, that's a twenty minute additional run there and back.

1102
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:49,960
There's the ambulance is no longer in town, So you're

1103
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:53,639
hoping that the next towns are going to cover your

1104
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,320
town if another call happens, because you can't get a

1105
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,000
quicker turn not turning around quicker. I mean I used

1106
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:03,679
to work there. I used to bring people there, and

1107
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,880
at least in Franklin you could like run back kind of.

1108
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, you can't. There's no note. You can't do that.

1109
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,079
You can't do that from Conquered.

1110
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just want to say, this is not

1111
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,239
an accident like this just didn't. It's not an unfortunate

1112
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,719
series of events that have led us here. It has

1113
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,639
been an intentional disinvestment in public good. In the public good,

1114
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:29,800
whether it's hospitals, whether it's an EMS service, you know again, education,

1115
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:34,000
you know, Like, these are all problems that are fixable,

1116
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,719
but the people in power in our state government right

1117
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,639
now don't want to fix that. They personally don't want

1118
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:41,119
they don't want these things.

1119
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:45,119
Speaker 4: I feel like Americans are just ignorant because if we

1120
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:49,280
were smart, we would want our children to be the

1121
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,519
best doctors, the best paramedics, have the best equipment.

1122
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: You would want the best.

1123
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: So then when your ass is old and it's you

1124
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:59,079
they're picking up, they got the best, and you've got

1125
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:02,239
the best taking care. Instead, we make med school so

1126
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,079
freaking difficult that we don't have enough neurosurgeons. We can't

1127
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,079
have a level trauma one center or a level true

1128
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,039
center even in most places, because we don't have the

1129
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:16,519
providers necessary to provide that care, which often is talking

1130
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,800
about pediatric emergency medicine.

1131
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:22,039
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't have that. You can't get to

1132
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:23,159
that trauma center.

1133
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 4: Right. This is what we're denying ourselves is the very

1134
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,719
best because we're too chinsey to want to invest in it,

1135
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:35,480
and we're gonna nickel and diamond bitch about everything.

1136
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:37,599
Speaker 3: Why should I pay for this? Why should I pay

1137
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,360
for that? Well, so you live longer, so.

1138
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,519
Speaker 4: You live better, right, so you live in a better, cleaner,

1139
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:48,199
happier world. And instead we're going freaking backwards in this country.

1140
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,119
There's more hate, there's more vitual, there's more nastiness. We

1141
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:54,639
don't want to invest in anything where New Hampshire just

1142
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,000
lost funding so students like kiddos who like come out

1143
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:01,199
of foster care and don't have anything can go to

1144
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,280
school that come from low income families can go to

1145
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,320
school that that funding just got pulled by the FEDS

1146
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,480
to thank you Trump. The money that's supposed to be

1147
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,400
going to these rural hospitals we have in the North Country,

1148
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:17,679
we have in limited access areas are going to close

1149
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,880
because that money has now been cut off and people

1150
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,719
think it's only gone, it's not going to affect them,

1151
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:25,000
and by the time it.

1152
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:26,679
Speaker 3: Does, it's going to be too little, too late. Then

1153
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,039
what But we're letting this happen. People are so.

1154
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:33,639
Speaker 4: Angry and pissy and so nasty in their view they

1155
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,639
can't see through their own hate to realizing they're screwing themselves.

1156
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:40,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, No, we're shooting ourselves in the

1157
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,559
foot here. Again. It's because we view these things as

1158
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:46,559
costs we view these things as a waste of tax

1159
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:48,320
payer money, and we're not really viewing them for what

1160
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,079
they are, which is an investment back into us. Like,

1161
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:53,440
you know, I always find a line of like why

1162
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,480
should I pay for the school district? You know, I

1163
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:57,719
don't have any kids in this school, But it's like

1164
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,800
did you go to school at any point in your life?

1165
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,159
Do you want? You know, in you know, a doctor

1166
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:06,199
that knows how to read when you go to the hospital.

1167
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:08,800
But again, I think a lot of this ties back

1168
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,519
into like we are so individualistic as a culture that

1169
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,039
we don't really see a lot of these like these

1170
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:18,880
publicly funded programs as like an investment of themselves. They

1171
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:21,360
view it as like, oh, we're giving money to somebody

1172
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,920
who doesn't deserve it. And you know, I've even seen

1173
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,760
this kind of line of thinking even that, like with

1174
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,000
local democrats here, like they think that these services will

1175
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,840
make us lazy and not want to work anymore, when

1176
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,000
in reality, it's like no one wants to work right

1177
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:35,760
now because you can't afford to live.

1178
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: You can't afford to work, Like I think a lot

1179
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to be able to work one job and afford to live,

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but people are working two in three jobs and they

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still can't afford to live.

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Speaker 3: And the way our society is now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was gonna say, like, I'm a comfortable

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man without any kids right now, and I can't qualify

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for a mortgage anywhere in Manchester.

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Speaker 4: The grocery bill has gone up like fifty bucks in

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the last few months and there's no sign of it

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going down. Like I'm even able to buy some stuff

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off at Amazon because it's cheaper than my local discounted

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grocery store, which is really bizarre.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, everything is. The prices are insane. I can't

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I don't buy. I don't know anybody everybody I.

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Speaker 4: Talked to who's not buying as much meat as they

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used to because they just can't afford it.

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Speaker 3: They're cutting back, they're.

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Speaker 4: Making pastas, they're making more giant meals that will last

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a little bit longer or stretch it a little father,

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Like you know, if you put a chili together, you

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can get away with a little less meat in it

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and more bean to kind of fill it up, and

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you know, ways to cut corners because it's.

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Speaker 2: Just although in fairness, I mean, Trump did warn us

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that this was going to be happening. Remember he said

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that at Christmas time, instead of buying your daughter ten dollars,

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maybe you just buy her one or two dolls and

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that would be good enough.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, could you imagine who like Obama or

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Biden said that, you know, like like like how like

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you know, the entire right wing, like like you know,

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environment there would be like fropping at the mouths.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah if I did any of the things

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that he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like That's one thing that frustrates me is that, like,

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you know, we had hyperinflation one maybe not hyper inflation.

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I don't know what the actual term is here, but

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like because of COVID right, like production was down, man

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demand was still pretty steady, that's conlation. But now we're

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seeing inflation that is completely man made. Like these are tarriffs, yeah,

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one by one tyrant here. I don't know why we

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even allow the president to impose tariffs that's not supposed

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to it's.

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Speaker 4: It's nothing he's doing is supposed to be legal, but

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he's doing it anyway because he knows it's going to

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get tied up in court.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't give two ships about the law.

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Speaker 2: Trump has done so many things by executive order that

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that no one has ever attempted to do by it.

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He just does it. He just does it, and he

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,920
gets away with it. He has a compliant Congress and

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a compliant Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: He's wanting to shut him down, nobody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he really can act as a as a monarch.

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Speaker 4: And when you are acting above the law, as the

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nation's number one law enforcement person in charge of everything,

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who's going to stop you? If Congress isn't willing to

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stand up to you and say no, if lawmakers not

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just lawmakers, but if if law enforcement is willing to

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go along to get along when you I mean, somebody

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posted in the chat room earlier that in Massachusetts they're

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just dangling money over people's heads.

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Speaker 3: Hey you get a twenty five thousand dollars sign on bonus.

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Speaker 2: I'll put that comment back up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're people are people are apparently in American

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are very cheap with their to give up their morals

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or their values. You know, they'll sell their souls for

1246
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a few extra bucks. You know, we we we in

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this country said it's illegal for law enforcement to profile,

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it's illegal for law enforcement to do quotas because we

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saw all the bad things that that happened, innocent people

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being captured to make those numbers. And now here we are,

1251
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law enforcement is allowed and an't even encouraged to profile.

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They're encouraged to grab everybody. How many bodies did you

1253
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:16,599
get today? They want that three thousand body count of day.

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They don't care if you're legally legal or whatever. We

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watched how many American citizens have we seen beaten, being

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told they have no rights, being taken into custody, held

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for hours or even days. And there are American citizens.

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Speaker 3: And this is happening.

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Speaker 1: One thing I think a lot about, you know that meme,

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how like men think about the Roman Empire every day

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or I don't know if you've heard that or not. Well,

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I think about the Roman Republic more so. And one

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thing that's really interesting to me is that even after

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the republic fell and we started to see like you know,

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like like emperors didn't really comm emperors at the time, though,

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but they still kept a lot of the aesthetics of

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a republic. You know, they still had senators, they still

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had you know, like some like you know, like like

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elections to I think they were like the tribunals or whatever.

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I'm I'm a little rusty now on that. But I

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really fear that we are kind of in this state

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right now. I feel like we look like the republic,

1273
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but we have really moved towards autocracy. And I have

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one fear in one hope and then maybe I can

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shut up here. Which is my one fear is that like,

1276
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you know, maybe it's probably gonna be Democrats to take power,

1277
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you know, maybe again soon, and that they're just gonna

1278
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kind of forget that eight years of Trump happened, and

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then they're just going to be so.

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Speaker 3: Well, my hope is that they won't do anything to

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prevent it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we really need, I we we need something

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to save this democracy here, Like we need radical reforms.

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We need to really curb the power of the executive.

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We really need to make sure that like we can't

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have federal agents going like completely masked up, no bad

1287
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showing in, kidnapping people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not having to identify themselves at all, Like that's

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never been It's always law enforcement is supposed to identify themselves.

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That's how you know they're really law enforcement. We've spent

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years and years and years pounding it into women's heads.

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If it doesn't look like it's a cop cock called

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nine one one and don't you know, and to be

1294
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careful and people pretending and now they're just doing it.

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Speaker 2: Well, law enforcement too tends to skew conservative. So for them,

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I mean, this is a great.

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Speaker 3: Some law enforcement. This is great because yeah, they can

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do whatever they want and look at those accountable for

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the abuses that look at.

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Speaker 2: The cops and conquered who let those They let the

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Nazis just get in their trucks and drive off.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, they didn't drive off, No no, no,

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they climbed in the back of a uquaw, sat down

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and drove off. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say that. I'm

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gonna say the quiet pad out loud. If that color

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or the skin have been different, do you think they

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would have allowed them to pile in the back of

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a U haul and drive off, because that's what.

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Speaker 2: Would have been beaten with clubs.

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Speaker 1: Photop enhanceshur state troop or fiz pumping a proud boy

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like they are at the very least sympathetic to their causes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think also too, as we're disinvesting in things

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like education, healthcare, housing, we're seeing an increase in law

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01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:28,880
enforcement at a time when crime is at an historic low.

1316
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It's spiked during COVID, but crimates have returned in the

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general trend that they were going. So like my fear

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is that like as schools are being defunded, you know,

1319
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like we we are adding to police departments, and we

1320
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see this in like the federal level too, like we're

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cutting education funding for more ice agents. We are, you know,

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we're getting more and more money into the into these

1323
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systems and again like ice, like ice agents are making

1324
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more money than teachers.

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Speaker 4: And they're talking about taking special education students out of

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the public class room and putting them into an institution again,

1327
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a special building just for them. I mean, centuries of

1328
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progress is being undone in a matter of months, and

1329
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it's getting and people are stepping back and allowing it

1330
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to happen. And that is just mind boggling to me.

1331
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Like I thought we wanted our kids to be better, right,

1332
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have a better world than us.

1333
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Speaker 1: Well, going back, we need to demand that our leaders

1334
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can express a bold vision of how they're going to

1335
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reverse the damage that has been done. And like we

1336
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can't just keep having and I say we I again,

1337
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I'm not a Democrat anymore, but I acknowledge I'm in

1338
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a reluctant coalition with Democrats right because I am on

1339
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the left here. But like, we can't just be saying like, oh,

1340
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Republicans are so terrible, like we're going to undo what

1341
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Trump did, which is what they do need to do,

1342
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,079
but they also need to start stating, like what do

1343
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:57,319
you actually believe? Like what are your solutions on healthcare?

1344
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1345
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: Like what are what are your solutions?

1346
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 3: Yet all the time in office? Why do you do

1347
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:02,960
something more for it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly. So I think that we need on the

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left really need to hold you know, the candidates that

1350
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we support more accountable. Like we can't just have them,

1351
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you know, voting and then receiving absolutely no feedback, no

1352
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,319
consequences from us. And I think that like, you know,

1353
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we we we should be a little bit rude to

1354
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them in my opinion when when called for Yeah, you know,

1355
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like we can't just let we can't let the Democrats,

1356
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,640
you know, just return to the status quo. I think

1357
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a lot of privilege, more wealthy, more white Democrats just

1358
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,520
kind of wish that we could return to two thousand

1359
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and eight right now. Two thousand and eight wasn't working

1360
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for a lot of Americans, right, you know, like the

1361
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inability of this country to recover from the Great Recession

1362
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is why we have Trump in the first place. And

1363
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you know, like all these things that received bipartisan support,

1364
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like NAFTA, I mean, those gutted industrial jobs and in

1365
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:57,880
those regions, that's where Trump really got his base of

1366
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support right there, because both Democrats and Republicans sold out

1367
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those union workers to ship those jobs to non union

1368
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workers overseas, and Trump all he had to do is

1369
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just occasionally refer to that fact. Now he he hasn't

1370
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done anything really to rectify that at all. He really

1371
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just kind of renamed after I forget what's even called

1372
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,159
at this point. But you know, like I think Americans

1373
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are just like they're they're craving some sort of recognition

1374
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of the harm that's going on. And I think they

1375
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see that in Trump. I believe they saw that in Bernie,

1376
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:32,319
but they're not really seeing that like a whole lot

1377
01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:34,199
of and a whole lot of other places. But do

1378
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I say, like, we do have some good local candidates

1379
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and even some people running for you know, CV one

1380
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that like are talking about that. So like I don't

1381
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want to be all doom in gloom like there there

1382
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:46,239
is hope. But you know, these folks, you know, are

1383
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going to face a lot of opposition from the party itself.

1384
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They have their chosen candidates that they want to win,

1385
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who are.

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Speaker 3: Not really that popular, and that's that's the problem.

1387
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good, you got to get these old people,

1388
01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:03,520
not to be ageists, but no way to avoid it.

1389
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,039
You got to get these old people out of there,

1390
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you know. I mean, you know, like like Chuck Schumer

1391
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and you know, just just people who are who are

1392
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past their uh. I mean, look what they did did

1393
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,760
with Diane Feinstein. I mean, she was she was non compassmentus.

1394
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I mean, she was gone, and they wheeled her in.

1395
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:25,079
It was like weekend at Bernie's, right, They they wheeled

1396
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her into vote. I mean, and it was elder abuse

1397
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:29,880
what they did to her. But I mean, but that's

1398
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so emblematic of the Democratic Party, you know, and uh,

1399
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you know, and Biden not to keep going back to that,

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but another example, there.

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Speaker 4: Needs to be some new blood at the top to

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attract people, and especially here in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: So so I was just talking to a member. I'm

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not gonna I'm not gonna, like you know, out them

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here but you know, they are part of a Democratic

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01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,520
committee here in New Hampshire in like a red rural area,

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,159
and like they were thinking, like how do we get like,

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you know, like younger families involved with the party. And

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01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:06,399
somebody had the idea of like, oh, what if like

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we have somebody like we pay like somebody's daughter granddaughter

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to like watch over some like kids. We'll have like

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a little play area where like we'll be in the

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same room but we'll be having the meeting. And the

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State Party said, legally we cannot provide childcare. Uh, don't

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do it. It's like you want new people to come in.

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You want like if you're talking about younger people. I

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01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,079
know people think of like eighteen and twenty year olds,

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but like think about the people like you.

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Speaker 3: Get people to show up at church. There's a daycare

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at the church. They're just volunteers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's the thing. Add add in like a

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01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:43,800
few like thirty year old couples with kids to a

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Democratic Committee meeting and you will lower the average age. Right,

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You're bringing younger people in. But there seems to be

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like a resistance to change. Kah. I think again, it's

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because a lot of people that have power within the

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,399
Democratic Party, are comfortable like they are wealthier, they are

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,760
more white, and anything that's kind of like a threat

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,760
to that power. I like to joke that progressives actually

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01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:07,640
pose a bigger threat to the power of the Democratic

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01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,920
Party than Republicans do, because if you're party chair of

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01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,520
the hand your Democratic Party and you get absolutely wiped

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01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,960
out by Republicans in the election, well, guess what, You're

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01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,119
still party chair. You still get to put on all

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01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,720
these fundraisers. Now if a progressive challenges you for your

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,279
party seat right there, Oh, you don't have the access

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that you did. Right, So a lot of it is

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it's it's it's self preservation and an inability to change

1439
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:30,760
its obstinates.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, one hundred percent, I agree. I agree, Yeah,

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I agree. Well, I think on that note, we should

1442
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:40,119
we should start to wrap this one up. I think

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01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,199
it's been a really good show, and of course we'll

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we'll do more of these, but anything else.

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01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,079
Speaker 3: Yes, check out the Union Leader tomorrow.

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01:14:51,359 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 4: There will be an op ed by yours truly regarding

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transportation issues.

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01:14:56,279 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, tomorrow and the Manchester Union Leader.

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: Please send me a link once it's hosted.

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01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely very good, very good. And of course Jenny,

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01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,720
you can people can follow all of your everything that

1452
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,119
you're doing at Jen Coffee dot com, g.

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01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 3: E N N C O F f e y dot com.

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 4: Come check it out and see what kind of trouble

1455
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,479
I may or may not be getting into here or

1456
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,119
there or in DC or wherever.

1457
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,279
Speaker 2: And of course people can follow me at my website.

1458
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:30,199
Matt Connorton dot com and Brandon for people who want

1459
01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:31,960
to know, this has been wonderful, thank you for joining us,

1460
01:15:32,279 --> 01:15:34,079
and for people for people who want to know how

1461
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:36,000
to follow you, where to find you, how to keep

1462
01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:39,079
up with everything you're doing, uh, where should they go?

1463
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:41,439
And and any of the organizations that you work with

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01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,279
that you want to mention, or events coming up, or

1465
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:45,199
anything at all that you want to make sure our

1466
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:46,399
listeners and viewers know about.

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,319
Speaker 1: Please Oh yeah, yeah, so you can follow me. I'm

1468
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:53,119
on Blue Sky, I'm currently well, I'm on a permanent

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01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:57,279
Twitter embargo. I am LeMay Brandon, jay As and Juliet

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01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:02,439
at leasy dot social. I am LeMay for tenants on TikTok,

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01:16:03,119 --> 01:16:04,520
I've really posted in a while, but I'm going to

1472
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,640
make a commitment to do that. If you want to

1473
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,680
learn more, about the organization that I work for write

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01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,800
some democracy. It is Radmovement dot org r a D

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:17,439
as in Delta dot org. And I also just want

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,319
to shout out an organization that I sometimes volunteer for,

1477
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,920
which is the Mutual Aid Relief Fund m A r

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01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:27,399
F n H. They are on Instagram, you can find

1479
01:16:27,399 --> 01:16:31,039
them on Facebook as well. They do great work providing

1480
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,680
you know, basic necessities to those who are housing insecure

1481
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,600
or you know, specifically at home with themselves. They put

1482
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,079
on free stores all over the state giving out supplies.

1483
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,600
I'd recommend if you don't know what to do, go

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01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,199
go do some mutual aid help, your help, your fellow

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01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,279
you know, your fellow person in your community.

1486
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, that sounds that sounds fantastic. Well, thank you

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01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,039
Brandon and everyone who joined us on the live stream.

1488
01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:56,840
Thank you, and of course everyone else who gets this

1489
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,800
in the podcast feed. Of course, you can find the

1490
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,960
show on all of your or any of your favorite

1491
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:04,319
podcast feeds of choice, or you can go to Matt

1492
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:06,520
Connerson dot com and find it there as well, or

1493
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,039
on the IPM Nation YouTube channel, et cetera, et cetera.

1494
01:17:09,359 --> 01:17:13,279
So Brandon, thank you, and Jenny, thank you and we'll

1495
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:17,039
talk to y'all a little bit later. Bye everybody, Bye

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01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:23,039
the Commander, don't thee Supreme Leader Magzi coming