Speaker 1: It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on
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Speaker 2: One hour down, two more to go. Here on a
Speaker 2: Wednesday afternoon. Happy hump day, ladies and gentlemen. I'm feeling
Speaker 2: good now. We got some good energy, but I'm running
Speaker 2: on very little sleep. And I don't say that to complain.
Speaker 2: I'm just, you know, I feel like I'm sharing what
Speaker 2: a lot of you are probably feeling today. If you're
Speaker 2: a Louisville fan, you probably stayed up later than you
Speaker 2: typically do. I don't know, maybe you stay up all night.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but if I tried to go to
Speaker 2: bed as soon as the game ended, it would.
Speaker 3: Have been very, very, very difficult to do, because it's.
Speaker 4: Very hard to wind down right after a Yeah.
Speaker 2: It look Louisville played at nine o'clock game against SMU
Speaker 2: last month and they won by a billion. It seemed
Speaker 2: like and I still had a tough time, But that
Speaker 2: was a little b different because you were your energy
Speaker 2: level was high because not of stress and anxiety, but
Speaker 2: like you were feeling, you know, euphoria. Maybe that's not
Speaker 2: the right word to use, but I mean to see Lowell.
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of feel like that SMU game
Speaker 2: because the records that were broken, just because they were
Speaker 2: so good in that game, and SMU was believed to
Speaker 2: be and still is one of the better teams in
Speaker 2: the ACC. Like that was kind of the moment where
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I know this team's playing in a
Speaker 2: bad ACC this year, but man, like they look good
Speaker 2: right now and you're still on. It's like whenever I
Speaker 2: do a show at night, which I don't do them anymore,
Speaker 2: but when I would do a show for Postgame and
Speaker 2: it would be late into the evening, like the same thing,
Speaker 2: like not because I mean, I'm like when you're all
Speaker 2: when I'm on here for three hours, I'm not. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not on cocaine, but you know, you gotta be on.
Speaker 2: You gotta be energized, and that usually makes it tough
Speaker 2: to just, you know, all of a sudden, walk upstairs
Speaker 2: from me doing the show in the basement and go
Speaker 2: to bed. So last night I was up late and
Speaker 2: I ended up walking into my son's room and I
Speaker 2: got him a PS four and he's excited. But I
Speaker 2: didn't know. You I've been out of the gaming world
Speaker 2: and never was really into it. But I used to
Speaker 2: have to go buy games at you know, game Stop
Speaker 2: or Walmart. They still do video games, right, I feel
Speaker 2: like that's where it does. I feel like it's where
Speaker 2: a bottle my video games. But now you don't buy
Speaker 2: him anymore.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, it is game Stop. There's still a thing. Right.
Speaker 2: I don't know asking the wrong guy, but I didn't
Speaker 2: realize that you download games and then you install them
Speaker 2: and they're like eight gigabytes. So by the time he
Speaker 2: went to bed, he still couldn't play his PlayStation because
Speaker 2: we had to wait for NBA two K twenty five
Speaker 2: to get to get downloaded and installed. But I went
Speaker 2: in his room to turn his light off because he
Speaker 2: was in bed with his mom, and I realized it
Speaker 2: was done.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I don't know, I don't give
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Test this south Sea how it works, because I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, he's never played before, at least not on
Speaker 2: a PlayStation.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll have to figure out how to show him
Speaker 3: how to play.
Speaker 2: And sure enough I remembered how to play, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 2: let me let me just give it this a shot.
Speaker 2: Let me fire up a game, grab the stick. Yes,
Speaker 2: I played a game and then I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: that was fun. And I was working the stick. So
Speaker 2: I was the I was the Oklahoma City Thunder. We
Speaker 2: were talking about him yesterday, right yeah. And I played
Speaker 2: the Mavericks and I won, and I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what, let me switch it up and be a
Speaker 2: different team.
Speaker 3: I was my Pacers.
Speaker 2: And then I got to halftime of that game, I
Speaker 2: was I was cooking and I realized what am I doing?
Speaker 3: Like I kind of got lost.
Speaker 2: In the moment there where I played video games for
Speaker 2: about an hour and a half and I realized one
Speaker 2: now I'm even more like I mean, I was into
Speaker 2: it so very little sleep. But I didn't have somebody
Speaker 2: that reached out on the text line that said they're
Speaker 2: forty three years old and the only video game they
Speaker 2: played when they were young was was Nintendo. Like you
Speaker 2: know Mario, which that's a game, right, Like that's Mario
Speaker 2: of course. Yeah, but like before Mario Kart, like because
Speaker 2: I missed I missed the original Nintendo, like sure, the
Speaker 2: first like the systems that were around whenever I was
Speaker 2: a kid, where kids my you know, kids my age,
Speaker 2: were getting systems. We were past Nintendo. It was Super
Speaker 2: Nintendo and Sega Genesis. Right, my first ever system was
Speaker 2: a Sega Genesis. But anyways, this person on the text
Speaker 2: line said that they they never played games other than
Speaker 2: the original Nintendo when they were young, and now they
Speaker 2: play like Call of Duty every night with their friends
Speaker 2: and they love it. So hey, I guess you can
Speaker 2: pick up the habit or hobby I should say, of
Speaker 2: gaming when you get older.
Speaker 3: But I got no time for that I have.
Speaker 2: I mean it is fun though, like it was kind
Speaker 2: of like an escape and I was kind of getting
Speaker 2: into it. So anyways, as much as my energy has
Speaker 2: been dragging today because of running on little sleep, imagine
Speaker 2: what my energy levels would be like if I never
Speaker 2: went and saw my friends over at the Little of
Speaker 2: Men's Clinic. Because one of the things that one of
Speaker 2: the many side effects you can have if your testosterone
Speaker 2: levels are not where they need to be for someone
Speaker 2: your age is low energy wanting to just call it
Speaker 2: a day and go to bed after dinner at seven o'clock.
Speaker 2: That drive home from work when you realize.
Speaker 3: Man, why am I so tired?
Speaker 2: Or maybe you know you're just noticing that without really
Speaker 2: any change to what you're eating or your exercise, you're
Speaker 2: starting to look like you're putting on some weight. Maybe
Speaker 2: you hit the scale and it's not showing there. But man,
Speaker 2: you got some flab. The movies are appearing, the man boobs,
Speaker 2: folks like it happens. I'm telling you, if you're somebody
Speaker 2: that's noticing what I just laid out, and I know
Speaker 2: there's many of you out there, it's probably low testosterone
Speaker 2: because your muscle's going away because you don't have the
Speaker 2: right testosterone levels, it's turning into flab.
Speaker 3: And there's all kinds of other factors as well. So
Speaker 3: I felt like a real.
Speaker 2: Dummy because I had these exact things were happening with
Speaker 2: me for really a couple of years, maybe longer, and
Speaker 2: I just assumed this is what happens when you get old.
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm older, I'm not twenty one anymore, but I'm also
Speaker 2: not an old man. So finally I thought, you know what,
Speaker 2: maybe I will take them up on their offer. Right
Speaker 2: because Little Men's Clinic, they want you to come and
Speaker 2: see them and just hear your story, Hear what you're
Speaker 2: going through, hear what you think potentially they could help
Speaker 2: you with.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I did talk to doctor Wood.
Speaker 2: He explained to me that when it comes to low testosterone,
Speaker 2: it's not because you're you know, I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: a natural thing. Most men lose percentages of percentages of
Speaker 2: their testosterone when they get into their thirties. And you
Speaker 2: can go to the doctor and have them do blood work,
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and your physician they're not
Speaker 2: going to see anything on the report that says you're
Speaker 2: in danger because your testosterone levels are at a certain spot.
Speaker 3: However, you are supposed to have your.
Speaker 2: Levels at a certain range depending upon your age, and
Speaker 2: that's where they checked me. And I remember my conversation
Speaker 2: with doctor Wood. You know, he looked at me and
Speaker 2: I kind of described sort of my situation, and he
Speaker 2: acted as if it might be somewhat of a surprise
Speaker 2: for my levels to be really low. But he said,
Speaker 2: even if they're not, we can still figure out something
Speaker 2: to maybe get you to get you squared away. But
Speaker 2: with my lifestyle and I guess my age, my health,
Speaker 2: he thought, maybe, just maybe my levels wouldn't be that low.
Speaker 2: And sure enough he was wrong, because my levels were
Speaker 2: in the range of somebody that was old enough to
Speaker 2: not only be my father, maybe be my grandfather, and
Speaker 2: that wasn't something you want to hear. But it also
Speaker 2: gave me sort of an explanation as to why I
Speaker 2: was really putting in work in the gym, relocating weight
Speaker 2: and running and not eating like a slob as much.
Speaker 2: But I just wasn't getting results, and it was because
Speaker 2: my testosterin levels were not where they needed to be.
Speaker 2: So sure enough, I've now been on testosterone treatment for
Speaker 2: over a year now and it has changed my life.
Speaker 2: And I don't say that as an exaggeration, it's the truth.
Speaker 2: So they've helped me. Let him help you.
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Speaker 2: line coming up here shortly, and we do have tickets
Speaker 2: to go see Brett Michaels. What a random giveaway. But
Speaker 2: if you listen to the beginning at the end of
Speaker 2: the first hour, I'm a I'm a I wouldn't I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be. I'm not gonna lie even say like I'm
Speaker 2: a big Brett Michael's guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know a.
Speaker 2: Whole lot about him, but I did have that experience
Speaker 2: at the country music festival we had here years ago,
Speaker 2: Hometown Rising, and I thought he seemed like a really
Speaker 2: weird artist act to have on this music festival because
Speaker 2: he's not a country artist. But I now know why
Speaker 2: they brought him, because he brought the energy. He was
Speaker 2: covering kid rock, he was covering some of course, some
Speaker 2: of Poison songs. He covered, Uh, he did some sweet
Speaker 2: ome Alabama.
Speaker 3: He was into it.
Speaker 2: He's a performer, And I do I do appreciate the
Speaker 2: two people in the text line that texted in and
Speaker 2: said that they also remember like being One person said,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, I saw Brett Michaels.
Speaker 3: He was great.
Speaker 2: One person kind of wrote and said the same thing
Speaker 2: I did, which is they remember thinking.
Speaker 3: This guy's kind of awesome.
Speaker 2: And you didn't go to Hometown Rising with Blake Shelton
Speaker 2: and Miranda Lambert and whoever else the big names were
Speaker 2: at the time. Brian, Yeah, Luke Bryan, That's who it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, you didn't go because Brett Michaels was there,
Speaker 2: but you remembered he was there because he put on
Speaker 2: a show. So he's coming to French Lick on March first,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna give away a pair of tickets after
Speaker 2: we take our first break here in the four o'clock hour.
Speaker 2: But back to the Louisville game last night again, just
Speaker 2: to kind of summarize my my takeaway. There were some
Speaker 2: things that were concerning, and really we saw this team
Speaker 2: in a way we haven't seen them ever, and that's
Speaker 2: not ideal, but it happens. I'm hopeful that two things
Speaker 2: were the biggest factor in last night, one being that
Speaker 2: you just have nights like that, and I think getting
Speaker 2: up getting off to an eleven and zh start also
Speaker 2: kind of made it even weird once there was a
Speaker 2: run put on. Like I think the mental component is
Speaker 2: always way more of a factor in sports than people realize.
Speaker 2: But I think when you're up eleven to nothing and
Speaker 2: then you.
Speaker 3: End up getting a little bit of a run put
Speaker 3: on you.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't really that they just made a couple
Speaker 2: of threes, and in fact, I think it was eight
Speaker 2: to eight to maybe sixteen or eight to eighteen at
Speaker 2: one of the first one of the one of the
Speaker 2: first time outs, not the first one, but maybe the
Speaker 2: second one. And it was the former Charlestown player that
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey coached. What's the young man's name, because he
Speaker 2: ended up having a phenomenal game. I know he got
Speaker 2: to catch up with Pat Kelsey afterwards. Yeah, Ben Burnham,
Speaker 2: he get thirteen points. He made three threes and hit
Speaker 2: two at the beginning, get eight of his thirteen at
Speaker 2: the very beginning of the game. He scored the first
Speaker 2: eight points for his team. But that happened, meaning they
Speaker 2: responded after being down eleven. Nothing Virginia Tech did. And
Speaker 2: then I think Louisville to kind of, you know, punch
Speaker 2: back if you will. They tried to put on their
Speaker 2: own little run, but they didn't do it the way
Speaker 2: they typically do it right. They didn't do it with
Speaker 2: locking down and getting stops, making opponents pay for every
Speaker 2: little mistake. They did it by I think pressing like
Speaker 2: they tried to just you know, they took some bad shots,
Speaker 2: made some bad decisions, and I chalked that up to
Speaker 2: them just being you know, winded and instead of you know,
Speaker 2: they they probably felt Again, it's not like they were
Speaker 2: out there thinking they could play a B minus type
Speaker 2: game and still win, because I think these guys do
Speaker 2: respect the opponent.
Speaker 3: I think they know they can give you by anybody.
Speaker 2: I think if they didn't know that, they certainly are
Speaker 2: gonna know now after last night. But I just think,
Speaker 2: you know, they they probably felt like, all right, they'll
Speaker 2: punch back and then we'll we'll hammer them and bury them.
Speaker 2: Then maybe they make a little bit of a run
Speaker 2: to think that they have some hope in the second
Speaker 2: half and then we'll come back with another haymaker and
Speaker 2: we'll end this thing and get out of here. And
Speaker 2: they're justified in thinking that they would be able to
Speaker 2: do that because that's what they've done all year in
Speaker 2: those exact same situations. And again they they maybe they
Speaker 2: were filmed themselves after getting off to an eleven and
Speaker 2: zero star because they look phenomenal to start the game.
Speaker 2: But I think they just tried to do that, but
Speaker 2: they went about it differently because they were fatigued. So
Speaker 2: I think, again, I'm hopeful that last night, which again
Speaker 2: was still a win, and it was still a good
Speaker 2: opportunity for you to get some experience in late I mean,
Speaker 2: the last time Louisville was in a situation like that
Speaker 2: was win. I mean even the Georgia Tech game was different.
Speaker 2: I mean that was a difference. I mean they lost also,
Speaker 2: but you were I mean it was neck and neck
Speaker 2: towards the very end of the game, and then you
Speaker 2: were able to give yourself a little bit of a
Speaker 2: cushion with a couple of Terrence Edwards threes, the big
Speaker 2: James Scott bucket late and then you kind of just
Speaker 2: had to hold on, get some stops defensively and you know,
Speaker 2: not screw up. And you did that and Virginia Tech
Speaker 2: screwed up and we thanked them for that.
Speaker 3: So again it was still a win.
Speaker 2: I think there's some value in being in that situation
Speaker 2: and kind of seeing what you're made of. And look,
Speaker 2: it's you know, even if they would have lost, they
Speaker 2: would have been able to learn and they but but
Speaker 2: they won, and we're able to avoid a real resume
Speaker 2: issue type loss, and yet they can still say that
Speaker 2: they you know, they still were able to learn from it.
Speaker 2: At least the should learn from it. So they've had
Speaker 2: a bug. I don't know what it is, if it's
Speaker 2: flu or whatever it is. But when I hear about
Speaker 2: players and even Pat Kelsey needed to take an IV
Speaker 2: last week because of practice, because of the illnesses, the
Speaker 2: illness that they have going around, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: that tells you that that they're they're going through it.
Speaker 2: And I think when you watch them play, you can
Speaker 2: tell like they've been fighting this illness. It's probably not
Speaker 2: hit everybody at the same time, but it's probably lingered.
Speaker 2: And hopefully they get they get well, get rested, get hydrated,
Speaker 2: and and and can be healthy once they get once
Speaker 2: they get to you know, games where you play a
Speaker 2: team other than Virginia Tech, with that kind of performance,
Speaker 2: it'll it'll it'll cost you. I mean, heck, it'll it'll
Speaker 2: end your season if it if it's in the tournament.
Speaker 3: We know that.
Speaker 2: And I was reminded last night Javon Hadley, he did
Speaker 2: an interview after the game, and I mean, these guys,
Speaker 2: they have excuses. They have a whole year they've been
Speaker 2: shorthanded with injuries, and yet they don't they don't accept
Speaker 2: any excuse, they don't feel sorry for themselves. They never
Speaker 2: play victim because because Hadley, I mean, somebody brought up
Speaker 2: the illness to him and he just before they could
Speaker 2: finish the question or finish their statement, like, no, that's
Speaker 2: not it.
Speaker 3: We got to be ready, we got to be better.
Speaker 2: And that gives me assurance that these guys will learn
Speaker 2: from what happened last night. But again, the one thing
Speaker 2: that is in the back of my mind that I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get rid of or at least trying not
Speaker 2: to dwell on it. There's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2: Only time will tell if it really is is a thing.
Speaker 2: But Virginia Tech, they had you on the ropes and
Speaker 2: they probably should have won. We're honest, and anybody you play,
Speaker 2: and I mean anybody you play in the tournament is
Speaker 2: going to be a lot better than them. So that's
Speaker 2: just something that that's that's not really like an opinion.
Speaker 2: That's not me trying to, you know, warn you that
Speaker 2: we should just prepare for an early exit in the tournament.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm stating something that is at least
Speaker 2: something I'm I'm keeping in mind throughout here. All right,
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Speaker 2: I can see myself like in the beer line. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: at the concert, and this the beginning of that song
Speaker 2: that you just played.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some unskinny pop.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking like, oh, man, hope this line moves quick
Speaker 2: because I got to get back.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I need that beer.
Speaker 3: But man, my song's on here.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: I kind of wish I lived in that era. Oh dude,
Speaker 2: I mean, what was this mid eighties? Yeah, had to
Speaker 2: be well maybe not, maybe it actually early eighties.
Speaker 4: I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking ninety maybe nineties.
Speaker 4: This song was probably.
Speaker 3: The song come out what's the name? What's the title
Speaker 3: of this song?
Speaker 4: Unskinny Bob.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm thinking just because I feel like it
Speaker 2: was long before my time. But maybe I'm wrong. This
Speaker 2: song came out in nineteen ninety so.
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, this is kind of like one of their
Speaker 4: later things.
Speaker 2: I was alive, but I was two, and man, he
Speaker 2: looks different now than he did back in nineteen eighties,
Speaker 2: but he's still rocking. So we just gave away a
Speaker 2: couple of tickets to go see Brett Michaels, who's going
Speaker 2: to be at French Lick.
Speaker 3: And congratulations to Jerry.
Speaker 2: I thought it was our regular caller Jerry, because you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of Jerry's, but it was
Speaker 2: a different Jerry who got in and won the tickets.
Speaker 2: So congratulations to you, Jerry. And we love giving away
Speaker 2: free stuff here on the show, and anytime they have
Speaker 2: something available, we will give it out.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Kentucky in Action tonight taking on Oklahoma, and they got
Speaker 2: some promising news.
Speaker 3: I guess it's good news.
Speaker 2: But both Lamont Butler and Jackson Robinson in the injury
Speaker 2: report last night. I guess that gets submitted to the SEC.
Speaker 2: From the programs, they were listed as probable, which is
Speaker 2: really encouraging. I don't know if that means they're gonna play.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I've been a little checked out today.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if there's been a. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if there's been like an update or a confirmation as
Speaker 2: far as if they're going to play or not. I
Speaker 2: probably should, you know, should look at that. But just
Speaker 2: knowing that these guys have been moved to probable has
Speaker 2: to make Kentucky fans feel better about not only you know,
Speaker 2: tonight if they play, but just moving forward because the
Speaker 2: in and out and healthy then I'm sorry, unhealthy, can't play,
Speaker 2: then cleared to go, then re injuring it and not
Speaker 2: knowing did you really have a bigger Are you more
Speaker 2: injured now than you were before? Like you know, we
Speaker 2: actually had a caller last week call in and ask
Speaker 2: about sort of just the vagueness that you get from
Speaker 2: coaches about injuries, and I think it's it's it's both things. One,
Speaker 2: they really aren't doctors, but also they're they're going to
Speaker 2: keep it as close to the best as they can.
Speaker 2: So currently Oklahoma two and a half point dogs tonight
Speaker 2: at home. And Oklahoma's a weird team, a really weird
Speaker 2: team because you know, I watched him play when they
Speaker 2: beat Louisville, and I watched him play. I mean they
Speaker 2: won by the way they won the Battle of Atlantis.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's easy to forget now because you know,
Speaker 2: that was a long time ago and they really have
Speaker 2: had a rough stretch since they left the Bahamas with
Speaker 2: that championship. But they've got a freshman who's really, really,
Speaker 2: really special. He was special against Louisville, and he's one
Speaker 2: of those guys that you know, it's not easy to
Speaker 2: find these kind of guys, but he is somebody that
Speaker 2: was a known freshman like he was. He was a
Speaker 2: four star recruit, so it wasn't like he's somebody that
Speaker 2: you never heard of, but nobody thought he was going
Speaker 2: to be this good, and he's been. You know, he's
Speaker 2: been sensational for him. His name is last name's Fears.
Speaker 2: Why can't I think of his first name, Jeremiah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Fears. I mean, as a freshman, he's a six
Speaker 2: to four guard. By the way, he's averaging sixteen points,
Speaker 2: four rebounds, four assists, and in their most recent game,
Speaker 2: he had twenty seven points, ten assists, five rebounds, and
Speaker 2: they won.
Speaker 3: They needed to win.
Speaker 2: They got to win against Mississippi State, which I believe
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I feel like every team in
Speaker 2: the SEC outside of like two is either in the
Speaker 2: tournament or on the bubble. They're currently four and ten
Speaker 2: seventeen and ten overall, so I have a hard time
Speaker 2: thinking that they're in the tournament race. But I could
Speaker 2: be wrong. I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: So other than.
Speaker 2: Fears, they're a little light. They've got Kobe Elvis, who
Speaker 2: is a transfer from Dayton. Actually was a former teammate
Speaker 2: of Kobe Brea when they were at Dayton together. But
Speaker 2: he's averaging about eight points three rebounds. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's rare for a team to be led so much
Speaker 2: by a.
Speaker 3: True freshman, but that's that's that's where we are.
Speaker 2: And usually if you've got a team that's just you know,
Speaker 2: so dependent upon one guy that's a freshman, we're talking about,
Speaker 2: you know, a Cooper flag or something like that. And uh,
Speaker 2: Fears is probably gonna be I mean, I think he's
Speaker 2: an NBA guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna be a lottery pick.
Speaker 2: And honestly, if you if you don't know where you're
Speaker 2: gonna go in the draft, maybe you feel like you
Speaker 2: could be anywhere between, like pick twenty or late second round.
Speaker 3: You should stay in college.
Speaker 2: Because you can make a lot of money and it
Speaker 2: could be guaranteed you don't have to worry about risking
Speaker 2: your draft status. There's always a risk that maybe you
Speaker 2: fall off and don't get a chance to go pro.
Speaker 2: But you also could go pro and not get drafted.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a real possibility too. So, uh,
Speaker 2: he's he's a really really good player. And I don't
Speaker 2: I believe their coach Porter Moser is a good coach,
Speaker 2: Like I think he I think he you know, I
Speaker 2: watched his teams execute, like I think he's he's he
Speaker 2: knows ball, if you know what I mean. But he's
Speaker 2: kind of a tough guy to figure out because he Oklahoma. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like he's gotten off to a very
Speaker 2: good start there. I say that, And maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Maybe they had a run that I don't remember. But
Speaker 2: Porter Moser's been there for this is I believe his
Speaker 2: This is his fourth year and he went nineteen and
Speaker 2: sixteen in his first year, fifteen and seventeen in his
Speaker 2: second season, and then twenty and twelve last year, and
Speaker 2: they did not make the tournament and then this year.
Speaker 3: They looked like they were about to break through again.
Speaker 2: He had wins to start the season against Arizona, Louisville,
Speaker 2: before you knew Louisville was actually going to be a
Speaker 2: good win for him. They beat Michigan on a neutral court,
Speaker 2: and then they got to SEC play and life got hard.
Speaker 2: Life got really hard for him. That's why they are
Speaker 2: sitting with a four and ten record and not looking
Speaker 2: like a tournament team. And what also makes Porter Moser
Speaker 2: tough to figure out is that at Loyola, like he
Speaker 2: broke through and went to a final four, and you
Speaker 2: know that's impressive. I mean, he did well then, but
Speaker 2: he also got off to like a really tough start
Speaker 2: and before he got the job.
Speaker 3: That's what's wild.
Speaker 2: He got the job at Loyola in twenty twelve, and
Speaker 2: prior to that, I mean, he had a losing record
Speaker 2: overall in two stints at Arkansas Little Rock in Illinois State.
Speaker 3: Like, that's the caliber that he was.
Speaker 2: He gets to Loyola and there he's seven and twenty
Speaker 2: three in his first year, fifteen and sixteen in his
Speaker 2: second year, ten and twenty two in his third year.
Speaker 2: And then of course in twenty fifteen they weren't gonna
Speaker 2: make the tournament. They somehow won their league. Wasn't it
Speaker 2: fifteen the year they went to Yeah, they made it
Speaker 2: all the way to the Uh actually no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty fifteen. They were I guess an NT team
Speaker 2: or maybe like a CBI team, but it was uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Look this guy, he broke through.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I was thinking that that Loyola Chicago's
Speaker 2: Final four was like more recent than it was.
Speaker 3: It was a long time ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Porter Moser because his name acts came up
Speaker 2: because he got off to and he still is in
Speaker 2: a tough.
Speaker 3: Spot at Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: When Louis's job was open, his name would come up,
Speaker 2: and I hadn't really know, Like, I feel like those guys,
Speaker 2: if it was ever gonna work out and they were
Speaker 2: gonna be guys that could really consistently be towards the
Speaker 2: top tier of college basketball, like it would like, for example,
Speaker 2: Mit cronan. Mccrone's a fine coach, but I feel like
Speaker 2: mc cronin was gonna break through and be like, you
Speaker 2: can do a lot worse than mc cronan, but if
Speaker 2: you want a guy that is going to like consistently
Speaker 2: like for example, young and hungry guys that maybe haven't
Speaker 2: coached as long but are really on a good path,
Speaker 2: like a Pat Kelsey, like a Mark Pope, like a
Speaker 2: Natoates when he was a buffalo, like a Ben McCollum
Speaker 2: who was at Southwest Missouri State. Now he's gonna do
Speaker 2: one year at Drake and probably get a way better job.
Speaker 2: Like that's a better higher to make than a guy
Speaker 2: who's done it for twenty plus years, and you could
Speaker 2: do a lot worse.
Speaker 3: But man, like what's your ceiling?
Speaker 2: So yeah, Loyola before he made a final four, he
Speaker 2: never made the tournament there. In fact, this is wild
Speaker 2: porter Moser's first ever NCAA tournament appearance was when he
Speaker 2: went to the final four, followed up the next season
Speaker 2: Nit next season, no tournament, But he wouldn't have made
Speaker 2: the tournament because they were twenty one and eleven in
Speaker 2: the Missouri Valley. And then in twenty twenty one, another
Speaker 2: great season, they end up upsetting Illinois in the second
Speaker 2: round and make the Sweet sixteen. He parlays that into
Speaker 2: the Oklahoma job. So here he is at Oklahoma four
Speaker 2: years in, he has a thirty four percent winning percentage
Speaker 2: in the SEC in the Big twelve combined, and is
Speaker 2: not going to make the tournament and like probably will
Speaker 2: get fired and what will this tell you? And he guesses, No, guesses,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. And I wasn't talking to Austin Happy.
Speaker 2: I was just I'm just throwing it out there because
Speaker 2: my year's per This happens all the time, and I
Speaker 2: hope it stops happening because it's just it's.
Speaker 3: Proved and to be a foolish thing. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: dudes who.
Speaker 2: Make a fluky tournament run doesn't mean they're bad coaches,
Speaker 2: but like that shouldn't be the reason you hire somebody.
Speaker 2: Porter Moser from two thousand to twenty and twenty one,
Speaker 2: that is twenty years. Yeah, two thousand and twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one was.
Speaker 3: His first year as head coach.
Speaker 2: Not only did he never make the tournament other than twice,
Speaker 2: he had losing records in the vast majority of the
Speaker 2: seasons he coached. But he made the tournament twice in
Speaker 2: twenty years, and he won some games, and credit to him,
Speaker 2: Like that's something that does matter.
Speaker 3: It has value.
Speaker 2: But if in twenty years you get two appearances in
Speaker 2: the Big Dance and you win two games once and
Speaker 2: then you have the miraculous run that nobody even knows
Speaker 2: you did it because it went all to Sister Jeans.
Speaker 2: She got all the credit for it. I mean, like
Speaker 2: that can't be why Oklahoma hires.
Speaker 3: Him, Like Frank was his name? No, no, Frank stan Heath.
Speaker 2: Stan Heath, to me is the best example ever of
Speaker 2: a guy that might not have ever really been a
Speaker 2: good coach. In fact, he proved throughout a long career
Speaker 2: he was not a very good coach, but he got
Speaker 2: a ticket to the dance, and he kept his dance
Speaker 2: and shoes on long enough to manipulate the college basketball
Speaker 2: industry to where he created generational maybe not generational wealth,
Speaker 2: but he made life changing money. Let me give you
Speaker 2: stan Heath's resume here. He's the best example. He had
Speaker 2: one season at Kent State, went thirty and six and
Speaker 2: made the Elite Eight. That's a hell of a star.
Speaker 3: But it's one season. What's that happened? After? What happens?
Speaker 2: After one season with stan Heath at Kent State? He
Speaker 2: gets the Arkansas job. He's there for five seasons, never
Speaker 2: wins a tournament game, only makes the tournament one to
Speaker 2: lose in the round of sixty four, thirty eight percent
Speaker 2: win percentage in SEC play. But you know what he
Speaker 2: had won Elite eight run to go get five years
Speaker 2: of an SEC salary, probably quadrupled, maybe even more than
Speaker 2: that his salary at Kent State at Arkansas, all off
Speaker 2: of one tournament run and in five years again he
Speaker 2: was a loser. So doesn't work out at Arkansas. And
Speaker 2: there was nothing at Arkansas that made him an attractive
Speaker 2: higher elsewhere. But you know what, man, he's got an
Speaker 2: lead eight on that resume and he did it at
Speaker 2: Kent State. So South Florida, the Bulls, they pick up
Speaker 2: the phone, Big East at the time they hire Frank,
Speaker 2: I keep saying, Frank stan Heath. I think I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of what was this guy who used to coach Missouri
Speaker 2: in Arkansas or maybe Missouri Frank Heith, Frank, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of. Sorry, but stan Heath. He gets a
Speaker 2: job in South Florida in two thousand and seven. He's
Speaker 2: there for eight years, wins twenty nine percent of his
Speaker 2: games in the Big East, ninety seven and one point
Speaker 2: thirty overall at South Florida, makes the tournament one time,
Speaker 2: did win a game, but it was a playing game,
Speaker 2: so they fire him. And then in two thousand and
Speaker 2: twenty one he gets another job. Somehow, this guy who
Speaker 2: only has. I mean again, it'd be one thing if
Speaker 2: like he's young and he's up and coming and man,
Speaker 2: he's really got a good this guy's about to break through. No,
Speaker 2: this guy has coached for I mean, this guy got
Speaker 2: five years and eight years at two different schools and.
Speaker 3: Told you who he was as a coach. A loser.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's a loser as a person, but
Speaker 2: quite literally, he's a loser as a coach in Eastern Michigan. Like,
Speaker 2: I know, they're the MAC, but they hired him and
Speaker 2: he's now there in his fourth year. And you know
Speaker 2: what his record is there, forty four and seventy five.
Speaker 2: He's won thirty seven percent of his games at Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 2: And there was no reason to hire him, none but
Speaker 2: Eastern Michigan.
Speaker 3: You know what they probably did.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, there's nobody else on this list
Speaker 2: of candidates that applied that's been to the Elite eight.
Speaker 2: This guy has parlayed one season at Kent State that
Speaker 2: resulted in a phenomenal run to the Elite Eight. But
Speaker 2: that was now twenty four years ago, and ever since
Speaker 2: then he has shown you he is not a good
Speaker 2: basketball coach. But he's maintained a job making a lot
Speaker 2: of money. He was making millions at Arkansas, made at
Speaker 2: least a million at South Florida, not making a million,
Speaker 2: I would imagine at Eastern Michigan. But he's still getting
Speaker 2: probably a big time salary. This guy will coach over
Speaker 2: five hundred games and have won forty four percent of them,
Speaker 2: and yet he's still getting a pay check. You know
Speaker 2: what that is. That's that's the NCAA tournament. It makes
Speaker 2: us really really stupid, and I wouldn't have it any
Speaker 2: other way.
Speaker 3: It's unique.
Speaker 2: No other sport. I mean, every sport it's about what
Speaker 2: you do when it matters. But man, the Big Dance,
Speaker 2: it's just a different level of like it's all for
Speaker 2: nothing if you don't capitalize in the tournament, and like
Speaker 2: if you really give it some deep thought, like you'll realize, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got upset, but man, we know we had a
Speaker 2: good team. But like you can't really you don't. You
Speaker 2: don't have the ability to celebrate it as much. Like
Speaker 2: you can win your division in the NFL and fall
Speaker 2: short in the tournament or in the in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and you still can claim, like we want our division
Speaker 2: if you win your conference, and you know, winning a
Speaker 2: big winning a winning a Big East or a SEC
Speaker 2: this year, it means you know, the Big East. I
Speaker 2: guess what I meant back in the day, like Big
Speaker 2: East back in the day, or the ACC even whenever
Speaker 2: it used to be good, because it did used to
Speaker 2: be good by the way.
Speaker 3: That had a real value.
Speaker 2: But if you end up winning those leagues when they're good,
Speaker 2: you know what that means, You get a really good seed.
Speaker 2: And if you somehow have a really good seed like
Speaker 2: Kentucky who had a phenomenal season when they lost to
Speaker 2: Saint Peter's not as good but still a really good
Speaker 2: season last year when they lost to Oakland, like you
Speaker 2: just it feels weird saying you had a good year
Speaker 2: when you actually did until the end. So again, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have it any other way. But when it comes
Speaker 2: to like you know, those who make big important decisions
Speaker 2: as far as hiring coaches, handing the keys to your
Speaker 2: program to these guys, you got to realize one or
Speaker 2: maybe even two tournament runs, if they're the outlier, you
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't hire that guy. So Porter Moser will probably
Speaker 2: get be by Kentucky tonight, probably get fired at the
Speaker 2: end of the season and he'll still have a Final four,
Speaker 2: which again I'm not saying that doesn't matter, like it
Speaker 2: doesn't count, but that can't be in a twenty year
Speaker 2: run as a coach. You can't have one season where
Speaker 2: you did something special and that get you a way
Speaker 2: better job than the one you have where you'd been
Speaker 2: there for a long time and in way more seasons.
Speaker 3: Were you bad than you were actually good.
Speaker 2: I didn't even intend on putting my man Stan Heath
Speaker 2: and a body bag this segment, but we kind of
Speaker 2: just ended up there. It's kind of naturally happened. I mean,
Speaker 2: toe tag, body bag. Sorry stan Heath, but credit to
Speaker 2: you if you fleeced the game. Good stuff, right, stick
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Speaker 2: All right, So, the leaders from the Southeastern Conference and
Speaker 2: the Big Ten are meeting this week in I think
Speaker 2: New Orleans and they're discussing the issues they have with
Speaker 2: the college football playoff format and what.
Speaker 3: They're going to propose.
Speaker 2: I don't think is I don't think is wrong, Like
Speaker 2: I know, these two conferences have all the power, they
Speaker 2: really flex their muscles, and it seems as if they're
Speaker 2: going to get favoritism and and.
Speaker 3: Somewhat if it's true.
Speaker 2: But what I get annoyed by is the just the
Speaker 2: noise about it, Like it really does prove out more
Speaker 2: often than not that these two leagues are the best
Speaker 2: leagues in the country and it's not close, but just
Speaker 2: the narrative about there, you know, there being a billion
Speaker 2: miles between them and everybody else. That is the case
Speaker 2: when it comes to money. That's the truth. But the
Speaker 2: SEC this year really did not deliver. I mean, they
Speaker 2: they were and they didn't really learn from it. They're
Speaker 2: still arrogant and they're always going to be. And it's
Speaker 2: bill is and will always be. I believe the best
Speaker 2: league in the SEC in college football, just because top
Speaker 2: to bottom, it just is. But you know, to claim
Speaker 2: that you are on a different planet and you're basically
Speaker 2: the NFL light or the NFL you know, minor league,
Speaker 2: I mean that that's just that's hard to say whenever
Speaker 2: you don't really have like the dominance to back that up,
Speaker 2: and they didn't have that this year.
Speaker 3: So anyways, these two leagues will.
Speaker 2: Probably continue to flex their muscles, and I really don't
Speaker 2: have any issue with it. But what they what they're
Speaker 2: fighting for now I think is the right thing for
Speaker 2: the committee to do. Now, will they do it, I
Speaker 2: don't know, But what they want is to alter the
Speaker 2: seeding to align, you know, directly with the rankings that
Speaker 2: the Committee gives us, right, eliminating the current rule that
Speaker 2: gives first round byes to the top seeds to the
Speaker 2: highest rank conference champions. We got a real drunk top
Speaker 2: four seed this year because of the way it played out.
Speaker 2: I mean, one of them was Arizona State and who
Speaker 2: was the other? Was it Boise Did Boise host Penn
Speaker 2: State and get killed? I think that's what happened, right,
Speaker 2: They didn't because it posts them. They didn't because it
Speaker 2: sounds like, I mean, I swear to you, it sounds
Speaker 2: like there's no way the top four seeds ended up
Speaker 2: being those two teams.
Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like it was.
Speaker 4: Didn't they go to Penn stare or was at that
Speaker 4: point they were playing at like.
Speaker 2: The Penn State opened this opened their game against SMU
Speaker 2: and one Yes, yes, so yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Boise State was three and Arizona State was four, So
Speaker 2: I mean, again, it sounds crazy, but they did because
Speaker 2: we all knew that it was just by proxy, like
Speaker 2: those weren't that those two teams were not on the
Speaker 2: top four, but they but there were slotted spots in
Speaker 2: the top four for conference champions. So the SEC and
Speaker 2: the Big Ten are fighting to get that changed, and
Speaker 2: they're hoping that, you know, to sell that the best
Speaker 2: teams should be seeded they're regardless of conference afiliation, because
Speaker 2: I mean, it's true winning the Big Twelve like Arizona
Speaker 2: State did, and by the way, they played phenomenal in
Speaker 2: the playoff, like shout out to them, they got a
Speaker 2: bright future. I think we killed Kenny Kenny Dillingham, But
Speaker 2: I mean they probably weren't deserving of that top seed.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they are based on how the
Speaker 2: format is, but I don't think the format.
Speaker 3: Should be that way.
Speaker 2: So the issue could be for this to change, it's
Speaker 2: going to require unanimous approval from all ten football you know,
Speaker 2: from all FBS conferences and Notre Dame because of the
Speaker 2: current contract for the ESPN, SO commissioners from the Big Twelve,
Speaker 2: the ACC and several group of five conferences have been
Speaker 2: reluctant about making this change because they cite that, you know,
Speaker 2: it's concerns over losing the financial benefits that are associated
Speaker 2: with those first round buys, which look, everybody's going to
Speaker 2: be watching every penny to get spent now because of
Speaker 2: the money that's going to be spent here moving forward,
Speaker 2: to share revenue with the athletes, which we'll get to
Speaker 2: bat any other in the five o'clock hour because Georgia
Speaker 2: has announced how they're going to share their revenue, which
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of a surprise there as
Speaker 2: far as how.
Speaker 3: It's being split up.
Speaker 2: But anyways, even if you you know understand the argument
Speaker 2: made if it's about money, I wouldn't budge, I mean
Speaker 2: in any way, but especially now what they're being like. Look,
Speaker 2: the schools who are gonna be who like Boise and
Speaker 2: Arizona State getting the financial bump from being in those
Speaker 2: top four seeds, they need it way more than anybody
Speaker 2: from the SEC or the Big ten. Those schools are
Speaker 2: swimming in money. The other schools are probably gonna be okay,
Speaker 2: but they don't have the bank roll that the Big
Speaker 2: ten and the SEC have, so you know they're gonna
Speaker 2: they're gonna fight to keep it the way it is,
Speaker 2: So the Big ten in the SEC they need unanimous
Speaker 2: and they're probably not gonna get it. So this could
Speaker 2: be where they just decide, Okay, are they gonna take
Speaker 2: their ball and leave and just say, Okay, we don't
Speaker 2: need you, We'll do our own thing. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know how they could, because there's a contract with
Speaker 2: ESPN that includes you know, everybody. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: think they would do that, but you know, they're gonna
Speaker 2: try to get their way, and I don't see it happening.
Speaker 2: So Big Ten Commissioner Brett yor Mark he has emphasized
Speaker 2: the importance of retaining the financial benefit that comes with
Speaker 2: those buys. So therefore he's you know, claiming, oh, we're
Speaker 2: going to we want to keep it this way because
Speaker 2: we the financial component here is a real reward that
Speaker 2: we think, you know, we deserve and clearly we need.
Speaker 2: Jim Phillips of the ACC he's made a point that
Speaker 2: the current system is comparable to other professional playoff formats
Speaker 2: that reward conference or divisional champions And to be honest,
Speaker 2: Jim Phillips, I mean about time he sacked up and
Speaker 2: had a spine and fought back a little bit instead
Speaker 2: of being an empty suit. But he actually makes a
Speaker 2: really good point in every other I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily think it's great, but we've known, like in the NFL,
Speaker 2: how often do you know that a team, because of
Speaker 2: their division is going to be in a better situation
Speaker 2: in the playoffs than a team that you know is
Speaker 2: better than them.
Speaker 3: That's just how it is in sports. So that's actually
Speaker 3: a legitimate point. So we'll see. They're gonna meet. I
Speaker 3: think I think they're gonna meet.
Speaker 2: I think they're meeting currently in New Orleans, and then
Speaker 2: I think there's another meeting set later, maybe in Dallas
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: So we'll see.
Speaker 2: But given the legitimate pushback that's already there from the
Speaker 2: Big twelve, the ACC and uh even the even the
Speaker 2: you know, the G five teams, right like Boise State,
Speaker 2: like they got a big payday for being a top
Speaker 2: four seed, And if the Big ten and the SEC
Speaker 2: are gonna like talk again, think about it, like maybe
Speaker 2: this is really just the arrogance of the SEC and
Speaker 2: the Big Ten on full display. Everybody agreed to this
Speaker 2: years ago, and these schools need it, they benefit from it,
Speaker 2: and like the bullies are gonna try to convince them
Speaker 2: to like go to their go their way, Like why
Speaker 2: would they?
Speaker 3: Why would they?
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