1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: This is a studio both and production. 2 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,679 Speaker 2: Okay, So so something that I really want to make 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,480 clear because this has consistently been, in my opinion, a 4 00:00:23,559 --> 00:00:28,440 vast mischaracterization of him. He was not this bad, troubled 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,359 kid like I've noticed there's always been this characterization of him, 6 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:37,600 like he was this like bad, like outcast, like rebel type. 7 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:40,799 But I mean at least from when I knew him, 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,640 because you know, we were only dating for like a 9 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:46,159 few months before he went missing. Like I think we 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:52,039 started dating in like juneish. But when I knew him, 11 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:54,960 he was a really really good kid. Like, yeah, he 12 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:57,439 smoked a lot of weed and he had depression issues, 13 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:02,640 but he was really respectful of alts. He was always 14 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:06,680 talking about how you know, he wanted to get really 15 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:09,719 good grades this year and talking about going to college 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,560 and that was like his big dream for our relationship 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,560 was like us going to the same college together, and 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,040 like he really was looking forward to the future, and 19 00:01:20,079 --> 00:01:24,480 he really was future driven. I think he was really happy, 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:30,000 and I think he was really like looking forward to things, 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,879 and he just he just seemed like really optimistic and 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:38,239 happy and he was really happy with our relationship. And 23 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:41,239 oh another thing too, was he he was working. He 24 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,760 took work seriously. Like he basically just wanted to be 25 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,159 like a good student. He wanted to have a part 26 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:49,000 time job, he was good at he wanted to be 27 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,599 a good boyfriend. And yeah, and I just wanted to 28 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:55,480 clear that up because, like, I know, I know, there's 29 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:58,760 like a narrative that some people stick to that's a 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,719 bit out of date that he was like this bad 31 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:04,000 rebel kit or whatever other than smoking weed. He was 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,159 not like that at all. 33 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: This is true crime bullshit. 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Josh Hallmark, and this is a serialized 35 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:26,840 story of Israel Keys. Over the past few months, we've 36 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:31,560 received a handful of new files, and Mark Julian Oldberry's 37 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:34,639 isn't the only case file we've received that shed new 38 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:39,479 light on a disappearance we've previously covered. In fact, when 39 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,400 we received a supplemental case file on Marble Arbitson's disappearance, 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,159 we were hopeful it might take us on a journey 41 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:51,319 similar to Oldberry, especially because this supplemental file was even 42 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:56,719 more robust than our original foy file from Brattleboro, PD. Instead, 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,520 these new files hit us much differently. Our opinions changed 44 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,199 drastically with each read, there was new evidence, new information, 45 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,039 new leads, even new suspects, and a mountain of things 46 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,280 we got wrong the first time around. For example, the 47 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:20,240 home Marble was living in Mike and Mickey his foster parents. 48 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,840 They weren't a couple. In fact, they were both men. 49 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,919 Mike was officially Marble's foster dad, Mickey his roommate. Both 50 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,639 Mike and Mickey worked for Families First, the organization that 51 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:37,960 paired Marble with his foster families and mentors. The third roommate, 52 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,159 Cory Jackson, was twenty three at the time. He had 53 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:44,560 previously been in the foster care of Mickey, and when 54 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,800 he aged out of the system, became their room mate. 55 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,719 As far as we can tell, Mike and Mickey weren't 56 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:53,000 a couple, Although it is implied that Mickey was gay, 57 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:57,120 we haven't been able to verify that yet. Jordan and 58 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:59,960 I each read the files and then forwarded them to Cat. 59 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,360 She read them, shared her thoughts, and then we called 60 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,360 up the team to discuss the files and share them 61 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,479 with the larger group. The first thing is there are 62 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,839 two other suspects, a pair of brothers, and I ask 63 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,360 Kaz about this because they come up twice in the files, 64 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:23,600 two different people say that they believe that these brothers 65 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,680 killed Marble. Everyone involved in this version of events are 66 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,000 all part of the community that Marble's mother is in, 67 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,040 which it's called the Retreat. But I think it's like 68 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:37,519 a facility that they all either work at, or our 69 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,519 mentors at, or our patients at. 70 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: Are they adults, yes, okay. 71 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: The two brothers I think are young adults at the time, 72 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,360 but they're definitely older than Marble as far as I 73 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:53,439 can tell in the files, there is nothing connecting them 74 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,839 to Marble. They don't seem to know him, they don't 75 00:04:56,879 --> 00:05:01,720 seem to know his mom. They, you know, are very 76 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,279 much on the periphery in the community. In fact, you 77 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:09,040 can look them up now. They no longer speak to 78 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:12,199 each other because one brother slept with the other brother's wife. 79 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,240 Since these brothers have not been convicted or ever named 80 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,199 publicly in regards to Marble's disappearance, we're simply going to 81 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,519 refer to them as the brothers in this episode, and 82 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,279 at first read of the supplemental files, their presence felt 83 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:32,079 significant because there were two different people who were either 84 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,879 told or insinuated to that the brothers murdered Marble in 85 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:42,000 the woods outside of Brattleboro, Vermont. One version is they 86 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,399 confessed to killing Marble. They took him to the woods 87 00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:47,920 and beat him to death and then buried him. The 88 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:53,120 other version is some guys saw them leaving the woods 89 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:58,399 with shovels shortly after Marble disappeared and was under the 90 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:01,160 impression that they killed Marble, and then he told someone, 91 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:06,480 who told someone, and so everything is like funneled through 92 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,319 multiple people. And again, while these guys come up in 93 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,800 two different stories, there's nothing actually linking them to Marble. 94 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:19,240 And I can't tell if they were thoroughly looked into 95 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,800 and that's just redacted from the files, or if just 96 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,360 something came up that the police never thoroughly investigated them, 97 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:29,199 either because they could be alibied or whatever. But why 98 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,319 they weren't investigated is not included in the files as 99 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:33,480 far as I can tell. 100 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 5: What about the motive, Like, what would their motive be? 101 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: No motive is ever declared. I think loosely it's drugs. 102 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,480 And that's the other thing is, like everybody talks about 103 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:46,480 Marble did Marble was a pothead and he would like 104 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:49,439 buy drugs from various people. And then one of his 105 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:53,279 friends makes a comment that the police interpret as Marble 106 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,839 was moving lots of drugs, but I didn't interpret it 107 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:58,639 that way. I think that they are kind of like 108 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,519 looking for things that could have happened to Marble and 109 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,519 maybe exaggerating his use of drugs as a way to 110 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,920 like make sense of his disappearance. So here's the two 111 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,079 stories involving the brothers. One, a woman who was admittedly 112 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,879 a drug addict, told the police that she heard from 113 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:23,600 a friend on parole that he saw the brothers leaving 114 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:26,920 the woods one night following Hurricane Irene, and that they 115 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,959 were carrying shovels and covered in mud. The friend on 116 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,759 parole told this woman that he thought the brothers killed Marble. Two, 117 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:40,199 that same woman said that her ex friend, who was 118 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:43,439 also a drug addict, heard that the brothers confessed to 119 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,600 their mother that they beat Marble to death in the 120 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:49,040 woods one night. The police did end up interviewing that 121 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,519 ex friend, who confirmed that she heard directly from the 122 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,639 brother's mother that they had confessed to killing Marble. Now, 123 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:59,480 as far as we can tell from the files, neither 124 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,000 the brother nor their mother were ever interviewed, which is 125 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,680 not to say that they weren't they could have been 126 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:10,680 redacted from the files, or the police could have investigated 127 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,120 these stories and found that they weren't credible, true, or possible. 128 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,800 But what we do know is that the brothers remain 129 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,920 free today and never come up in the files again. 130 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,680 And there is nothing in the files or online ever 131 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,240 linking the brothers to Marble, his mother, or any of 132 00:08:27,279 --> 00:08:31,360 Marble's friends. There's nothing to account for them even like 133 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,679 being together, let alone a motive for them to kill him. 134 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, why would they just kill him? 135 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 6: It doesn't make any sense. It's weird. And then they 136 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,399 didn't even know his mother, Yeah. 137 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 7: Because I thought you were going to tell us that 138 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:45,120 they knew his mom, and then she had some kind 139 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,240 of debt to them and they decided, you know, something 140 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:48,720 went wrong with that scenario. 141 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: But now, and like, these people from what I can 142 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,879 tell and even some of the stories I've read about 143 00:08:55,879 --> 00:08:59,120 them in the files and elsewhere, like they are not 144 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,639 criminal masters by any sense of the word. 145 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:03,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes sense. 146 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: I never got that from Kai either. 147 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. The Kai thing is interesting because they you know, 148 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,960 he continues to be on their radar, but they have 149 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,240 a not ironclad alibi, but they have a pretty good 150 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,279 alibi for him. 151 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 8: Yeah. 152 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: The files also include more information on Kai Freeman, who 153 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:29,080 you may recall was Marble's girlfriend, Mahala's ex boyfriend. Kai 154 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,039 and Marble had an acquaintanceship, and there was speculation that 155 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,679 perhaps Marble bought weed from Kai. There were lots of 156 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:40,120 rumors that Kai had possibly killed Marble out of jealousy 157 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,799 over his relationship with Mahala. Several years after Marble went missing, 158 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,159 Kai was found guilty of trading weed with miners in 159 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,759 exchange for sex and has been in prison ever since. 160 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:56,240 So the most recent update in the files is twenty 161 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:00,200 twenty two. And I've noticed that since this came o out, 162 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,000 which I think was like closer to Marble's disappearance, they've 163 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,159 continued to look more into Kai Freeman than these brothers. 164 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:12,120 But even the Kai Freeman thing doesn't have a lot 165 00:10:12,159 --> 00:10:16,120 of legs to it. There are two people who heard 166 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,320 from someone that Kai confessed to killing Marble in jail, 167 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:25,799 but I don't there's they don't reinterview Kai, they don't, 168 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:28,240 as far as we can tell, talk to the people 169 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,960 who actually talk to Kai. And I just keep going 170 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,720 back to like, yes, he was like a scumbag who 171 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,480 was trading drugs for sexual favors with miners, and that's 172 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:39,559 a very different thing than murdering someone. 173 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, so. 174 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: And Kai did have a pretty tight and well corroborated alibi. 175 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:51,360 Here he is back in September of twenty eleven, going 176 00:10:51,399 --> 00:10:55,200 over his timeline on Saturday, August twenty seventh, twenty eleven, 177 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:57,480 the day that Marble disappeared. 178 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:01,399 Speaker 5: On Saturday, what'd you do on Saturday? 179 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,519 Speaker 9: I woke up at about eleven, and then I got 180 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,919 ready to go to GCC because it wasn't over the day. 181 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 6: And then I went there and then I came back here. 182 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,279 Speaker 9: Uh called down to the halls because uh Tanya is 183 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:17,919 helping me, uh. 184 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 6: H help me get into it. And then then. 185 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 9: I called her but no one answered, so I like 186 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,000 waited like half an hour. Then I went down there 187 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:32,519 and then they were there and showed her my class 188 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,240 and the papers and stuff, and then we just. 189 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:39,039 Speaker 6: You know, actually like paid for the. 190 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 9: Class, and then uh we were just kind of talking 191 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,399 about that went out there for resting. 192 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 4: What was timing of all laptop? Uh So you got 193 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:49,519 up at eleven? 194 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 10: Okay, So I got up at eleven, got ready, Uh 195 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,960 when saw my mom went over at uh the Pine 196 00:11:57,039 --> 00:12:00,240 Heights over there at like twelve thirty, okay, cause she. 197 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,639 Speaker 4: Comes on at twelve is it? But she starts her shift. 198 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 6: I don't know what all she got there, but I 199 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:09,799 just went in. Sorryful there. 200 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 9: I was going over there, and then then I left 201 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,600 as twelve forty five. And then when I got there, 202 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,080 I'm really sure what time, but it takes like twenty 203 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,799 minutes half an hour to get there, so probably a 204 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:25,799 little after one. 205 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 6: Then I was there, signed in. Talk to the advisor. 206 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,279 Where where is that a little vege on Greenfield Community College? 207 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? Where where is that? That way in Greenfield? 208 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 6: Like right as you get off the exit. 209 00:12:42,919 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 9: You just take a rate and there's just signs that 210 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:46,240 lead you to it, like down the road. 211 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 11: Then you lived just have to sign that go I 212 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,080 mean just that the actually goes down Route two is actually. 213 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: Twenty six twenty six a twenty. 214 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 11: So you get on the round circle and you go 215 00:12:56,919 --> 00:12:58,320 into Greenfield and. 216 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 6: It's yeah, you're you're there or is it your sign? 217 00:13:02,159 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 9: It just says to go right, take a right, you 218 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:06,679 go buy uh DJ's. 219 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 6: Then you just go down the road and there's just 220 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,960 a sign take through. 221 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: It's on the west of the interstate. 222 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 4: That's why I was missing. 223 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:19,519 Speaker 6: Okay, then I was there. After I got done talking 224 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,039 my advisor, I uh, you know, checked out the campus 225 00:13:23,039 --> 00:13:26,360 state that. When I left that, I got. 226 00:13:27,919 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 4: Who you who is your advisor? 227 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:30,159 Speaker 12: Uh? 228 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 6: I just know his name is Randy. 229 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 9: Randy anyway, So then I got back here. 230 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: It was like. 231 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 9: About three sometime like that. Then I called to Paula's 232 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,200 like pretty much since I got here. Wait, a little 233 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,200 bit went down, and it was sometime like around four 234 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,960 o'clock that they were there and I showed up. 235 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,799 Speaker 4: So she w she was she'll be there with uh 236 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:04,720 mister White whatever his first name is. 237 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 6: Uh, it's just hollowing her mom. 238 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,919 Speaker 4: Oh her mom? Okay, you said they That's why I 239 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:10,960 was trying to figure out to do a day. 240 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,519 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, well cause I was going there to see 241 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,600 telling you cause you know, she's still helping me and 242 00:14:14,919 --> 00:14:15,360 built us. 243 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: So she's telling me it was school stuff for me. 244 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,559 Speaker 6: Yeah, cause she's at a college. I don't know she 245 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:22,639 works at a college. 246 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:26,159 Speaker 4: Oh cool, So what do you what are you looking 247 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,039 at a CCV? 248 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:27,919 Speaker 12: Uh? 249 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:28,919 Speaker 6: Computer science? 250 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:29,519 Speaker 2: Oh? 251 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,559 Speaker 4: Okay, my son does that cool? 252 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,759 Speaker 11: So you is that like a three year uh? 253 00:14:40,799 --> 00:14:40,919 Speaker 13: Mare? 254 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: Wana? 255 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 9: You gotta go there for you say, there for two 256 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:47,840 years and then uh, you can transfer your credits to 257 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:51,120 a different college to u get the bachelor's degree. 258 00:14:51,399 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: Oh, so, how long were you at Muhallow's that night? 259 00:14:57,639 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 5: Uh? Is there? 260 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:04,559 Speaker 6: Probably till after Mi name cause we were watching a 261 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:08,559 bunch of shows with her mom. Then she left, uh 262 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:11,120 to go in her study for a little bit. Then 263 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:12,240 you just watched some movies. 264 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, Now we'd heard the. 265 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:20,799 Speaker 11: Marvel was supposed to whole couple with her around four o'clock, 266 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,000 and of course it never showed. 267 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:25,159 Speaker 4: Did she comment on that, because that was about when 268 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,039 you arrived here. 269 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,399 Speaker 6: I never heard anything like that. They never said anything. 270 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,799 Speaker 4: You never said anything at all. 271 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,399 Speaker 6: When I got there, they were just on the computer 272 00:15:34,679 --> 00:15:35,559 and all. 273 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 9: It was just like sitting on my couch and they're 274 00:15:38,879 --> 00:15:43,000 just talking and Gonna just said hey. 275 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 6: And walked in and then they showed them my papers. 276 00:15:49,559 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: So you were at Mahala's. 277 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 7: Mahala never said anything about meaning Marble at four o'clock? 278 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,519 You did she go to Marble's department? Did she leave 279 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:03,240 a you were at the apartment at her house? Did 280 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:04,480 she go up to Marble's apartment? 281 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:09,799 Speaker 11: So you just hung from four to midnight watching shows 282 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,320 and movies and whatnot, first with Tanya and then she 283 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,480 probably goes to bed and you guys wrap it up, 284 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,519 and what'd you do after midnight? 285 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 6: I walked here and then. 286 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 9: I played a computer game with my friends in there, 287 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:25,440 and then he went to bed. 288 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,039 Speaker 6: Like I didn't have to cover after that? 289 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,919 Speaker 11: Did Tanya's I mean, I'm sorry, did Mahalla say anything 290 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:35,879 at all as you left at. 291 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,799 Speaker 4: The end of the evening, like I wonder where Marble 292 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,399 is or No? 293 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 6: That wasn't until the next day when the roommates came 294 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,320 bay that they. 295 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 9: Said that Marvel didn't come home, that she mentioned. 296 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,519 Speaker 6: That he was missing. 297 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: As we discussed in our initial coverage of Marble's disappearance, 298 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,359 season three, episode fourteen, followed the hurricanes, Rattleborough, Pedy went 299 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,880 to great lengths to corroborate Kai's time line and alibi. 300 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:13,079 What we didn't know then was how similar both Mahala 301 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,960 and her mother's versions of the day were, and how 302 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,440 they painted a very clear picture of when exactly Marble 303 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,319 went missing and what Kai was doing at the time. 304 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,839 According to Mahala and her mother, Tanya, Mahala called Marble 305 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,440 at around noon on August twenty seventh, the day he disappeared, 306 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:37,480 and notably, the day Hurricane Irene hit southern Vermont. Mahala 307 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:39,519 said that she was calling Marble to see if he 308 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:42,200 could help them prepare for the hurricane and then spend 309 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,400 the night at their house, but no one answered. She 310 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:49,200 called again about ninety minutes later, some time around one thirty. 311 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,480 This time Marble did answer, and he told Mahala that 312 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:54,960 he'd planned on going to visit their friend sie Jay 313 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:57,640 at college with their other friend John, but at the 314 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,319 last minute, Marble decided not to go. No one knows why, 315 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:05,319 and so he agreed to go to Mahala's house that 316 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,559 afternoon instead. Tanya and Mahala had plans to drive to Keene, 317 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,400 but said that they'd pick Marble up on their way 318 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,359 home sometime between three and four pm. But when they 319 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,880 arrived at Marble's house at three point thirty, his roommate Mickey, 320 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,400 answered the door, and when he went to go get Marble, 321 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:26,599 he found that Marble was gone and had left a note, 322 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,480 time stamped at two twenty. The note said that he 323 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,920 was going to hang out with the Grimlin Hoarde and 324 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,880 would be back in thirty minutes. Here's Mahala describing that 325 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:40,079 day in a twenty twenty one interview with Brattleboro PD. 326 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,839 Speaker 2: At the time, Borders the bookstore was like going out 327 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,440 of business and they were having like all these clearance sales, 328 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:52,359 and I wanted him to come to Borders with us, 329 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,440 but my mom really wanted like some other daughter time. 330 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,279 So we decided to go to Borders and then pick 331 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:04,720 him up at four. And I can't remember the exact 332 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:08,640 time I talked to him on the phone, probably sometime 333 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,960 around Nuonish, I would say, probably anywhere between twelve and two. 334 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,279 But I called him just to tell him not to 335 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:23,599 leave the house because there had been issues where we 336 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,319 would have plans to hang out and he would like 337 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:31,440 end up hanging out with someone else and be kind 338 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,559 of trapped because he didn't have a car. Because just 339 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,200 several things to remember. One, we were like pretty young, 340 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:44,920 you know, we were like high schoolers, so like he, well, 341 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,400 I was fresh out of high school. But so we 342 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,519 didn't have cars because we were like teenagers, and we 343 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:55,799 were very much reliant on rides from like whichever friends 344 00:19:55,839 --> 00:19:59,400 had cars, or from like parents, And so when he 345 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,599 would be a it would be like really hard to 346 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,480 get to him. And this was also before everyone had 347 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:09,960 smartphones too, So I just like called him to be like, 348 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:13,240 please stay put because I didn't want to repeat of 349 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:16,119 the other times where we would have plans and I 350 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,039 will go pick him up and he would just not 351 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,799 be there. And he promised me, he was like, don't worry, 352 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:25,319 I will stay put. I'm not gonna like go off 353 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,759 and hang out with John. They were best friends at 354 00:20:28,759 --> 00:20:32,079 the time, and John was like the main person who 355 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,599 he would end up kind of like unintentionally ditching me 356 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:41,640 for okay, Yeah, And so, uh, when we went to 357 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,400 his house at four, he wasn't there. And at first, 358 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,599 like we thought nothing of it. I was actually just 359 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,400 fucking pissed. I was like, oh my god, he fucking 360 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:55,240 ditched me again. But then you know, as things kind 361 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,839 of progressed, we got more and more worried. Uh, no 362 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,240 one was hearing from him, and you know, with Irene happening, 363 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,960 people were starting to get concerned. I was still not 364 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:14,720 concerned for like a little while after, just because he 365 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,359 he was kind of just a hard person to get 366 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,680 a hold of. If he wasn't in his house, then 367 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,559 you know, obviously a couple of days became like a week, 368 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,759 and by that point it was clear that it was 369 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:28,920 extremely serious. 370 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: Was it was it normal for him to go off 371 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,799 at all like that or was that odd in and 372 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:36,440 of itself? 373 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: Well, that that was the thing, Like it was kind 374 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,640 of normal for him to sort of like you know, 375 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:50,759 like someone would come get him. As for him like 376 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,559 going off on his own, like theoretically if he were 377 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:57,680 to be alone, Like, it's it's not that crazy that 378 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,960 he would like go on a stroll in the wood 379 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:02,480 to like smoke weed or whatever, because he wasn't supposed 380 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:05,039 to like smoke weed in his house because he smoked 381 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:09,960 a lot of weed. But like still though, like even 382 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:13,240 just him like strolling into the woods, I wouldn't think 383 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:15,839 he would get so deep in the woods that like 384 00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:19,200 he would you know, like get himself lost and never 385 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,319 be found again or anything like that. He would just 386 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,039 like I mean, this is purely speculation, but like if 387 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:26,279 he were to go to the woods, it would just 388 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,759 be like a little bit so that he could like 389 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:31,759 smoke weed without his guardian seeing or whatever. 390 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: So there's a lot to unpack here, from Marble bailing 391 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:41,799 on Mahala to hang out with John to the timeline 392 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:45,240 to Marble disappearing into the woods to smoke weed, to 393 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:48,559 the Grimlin Horde in general. But first, let's continue with 394 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:51,720 the timeline. When Mahala and Tanya got to Marbles and 395 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:55,839 he wasn't there, they weren't overly concerned, maybe just a 396 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:01,440 little annoyed, because this was something that Marbled with some regularity. 397 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,680 He'd make plans, get caught up with John and not 398 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:09,640 show up, So when he wasn't there, they just returned home. 399 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,440 Sometime between three thirty and four, which is right around 400 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,319 the same time that Kai says he got to Mahali's house, 401 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,519 and because of interviews with Marble's roommate Cory and with 402 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:23,799 Kai's enrollment counselor at GCC, we know it would have 403 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:26,599 been nearly impossible for Kai to have gotten to Marble's 404 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:30,279 house by two twenty pm. His roommate, Corey confirmed that 405 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,839 he saw Marble leaving between two and two twenty and 406 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,079 that he saw a guy who was about six foot 407 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,440 three and wearing a baseball cap standing in the doorway 408 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,559 as Marble left, and Kai's enrollment counselor confirmed that Kai 409 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,279 arrived at his office sometime after one pm and that 410 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:50,200 it took about twenty minutes to enroll him in classes, 411 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:55,200 and following enrollment, Kai toward the campus, which campus security 412 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,359 guards said could take anywhere from thirty to sixty minutes. 413 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:02,839 From door to door. GCC is a thirty five minute 414 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,279 drive to Marble's house, meaning the very earliest that Kai 415 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:10,440 could have gotten to Marble's house was at two twenty five, 416 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,920 and that doesn't account for the time it would take 417 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,799 for Kai to get to his car, leave the parking lot, 418 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,359 and any traffic he might encounter along the way. All 419 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,519 this is to say it's possible Kai could have been 420 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:28,200 there at two twenty, but highly unlikely and nearly impossible 421 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:35,240 for him to have been there any sooner than two twenty. Additionally, Kai, Mahala, 422 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,200 and Tanya all reported that Kai got to Mahala's house 423 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,960 at some time between three thirty and four pm, which 424 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,240 means if Kai was involved, the most time he would 425 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,480 have to abduct, murder, hide Marble's remains, clean himself up, 426 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,799 then drive to Mahala's house would be one hour and 427 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,200 ten minutes, and Kai's timeline for the remainder of the 428 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:01,240 night is even more airtight. Everyone confirmed that he left 429 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,039 Mahala's at about twelve fifteen, and Kay's friends who lived 430 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:07,799 in the same building as him, confirmed that they played 431 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,759 video games at Kai's apartment from shortly after midnight until 432 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:16,200 the early morning hours. The other things that came up 433 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,000 in that clip from Mahala's twenty twenty one interview are 434 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,799 Marble's propensity to ditch her for their friend John, and 435 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,440 it's worth noting that according to Marble's caretaker Mike, he 436 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,480 had caught Marble and John sexually fooling around not long 437 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:36,400 before Marble disappeared. And while Marble's sexuality doesn't really come 438 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,680 up in the supplemental files as it didn't in the 439 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,480 original files, there is one brief reference to it. Investigators 440 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,440 ask John if Marble had a sexual relationship with his 441 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,200 roommate Mickey, to which John says not to his knowledge. 442 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,599 It's important to note that John has an alibi for 443 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,200 when Marble disappeared, and it's one we're going to get 444 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,440 into in a minute. The other items of note from 445 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,880 that clip are the reference to the Grimlin hoard, Marble 446 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,319 spending time alone in the woods, and the man Corey 447 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,359 saw Marble leaving with, all of which will bring us 448 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,519 to Israel. 449 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 8: Keys I was heard he's left in not saying he's 450 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,720 off to frolic with the Grimlins. 451 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,319 Speaker 3: That's the most the extent of information. 452 00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:24,559 Speaker 14: I was giving. 453 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 5: When did you all know Marvel? Very well? 454 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,599 Speaker 3: I just started hanging out with him this summer. 455 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 8: This is really like my intro to its Marble, and 456 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,680 like I got a lot like the month before I left. 457 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,799 But m hmm, yeah, that's really that's the first. 458 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 3: Time I met Marvel. 459 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,759 Speaker 1: This is CJ. He Mahala and John were Marble's closest 460 00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:48,319 friends during the summer before he disappeared. CJ is whom 461 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,160 Marble was supposed to visit at college the weekend that 462 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:51,920 he went missing. 463 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,559 Speaker 8: How did you meet mar I think I think I 464 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:57,599 was sober Maula's house and he came over and then 465 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,799 we started hanging out from there. 466 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,839 Speaker 5: And what do you guys do when you ung out? 467 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,440 And I don't care if you guys smoke. 468 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 8: Weed and just hung out and it's just we're very 469 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,160 into paranormal stuff. So that's just like that's the fun 470 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,519 thing to do with our group because there's spreadborough or 471 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:11,519 something really exciting, but going. 472 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 3: Off in the woods and like ghost hunts and stuff 473 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,279 like that. Just kids stuff. 474 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 10: Like that. 475 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:17,079 Speaker 5: So when you went off into the woods and you 476 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,319 did like ghost huts, what can you tell. 477 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:19,839 Speaker 4: Me what that was? 478 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 8: Freaking ourselves out over things like, oh, it's a chat 479 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,720 over there, just like stuff like that, like telling ghost stories, 480 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,640 like there's a nerve, a myth of like a cult 481 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,960 in my woods and there's just like this really cool 482 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,160 story around that, and like you just you kind of 483 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,359 make yourself believe it and then it's. 484 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: Really it's cool stuff like that. 485 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 5: But yeah, now, when you guys used to go to 486 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,000 the which word you used to go and do this? 487 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,279 Speaker 3: My woods particularly, just like once or twice we went 488 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,720 out there. We actually went out there the night before 489 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,000 the weekend before I left. 490 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 5: What's your woods? 491 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,559 Speaker 3: It's the woods on my property that kind of leads 492 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,039 up the mountain a little bit. 493 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 5: It's like where's that, what's towards round what's Sportsborough? 494 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 12: Yeah? 495 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,039 Speaker 5: Okay, so whereabouts? What's Sportsborough? 496 00:27:59,160 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 14: Do you know? 497 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,799 Speaker 3: Put I do? It's right up in the entrance to that. 498 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 5: Are you closer to Ver one hundred? 499 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 3: Yeah I'm not. I'm right on rightund okay. 500 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 5: On quote unroad. 501 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 7: We're off very entrance yeah okay, And that's where you 502 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,920 guys used to go up there, and how does he 503 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,839 get up to your place? 504 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 13: Uh? 505 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:17,079 Speaker 4: John drug m. 506 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,799 Speaker 8: We usually like travel as a group, either I'm driving 507 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,319 or John's driving, because we're really the only two with license. 508 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,279 It's usually me, Mahala, John, and Marble. 509 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,079 Speaker 4: Okay. 510 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:28,519 Speaker 3: I like for the month before I left, that was 511 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:28,839 kind of. 512 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:30,519 Speaker 4: Like our group, we're dying out like that. 513 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 7: The three yeah front of the four Yeah yeah alright, 514 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:40,240 And would you go anywhere else and do this cemeteries 515 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,799 like sometimes. 516 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,519 Speaker 8: Like just walk around ceminaries and stuff like that that 517 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,039 just generally goes with like creepy building. We might like 518 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:51,960 look at the windows or something not in the windows, 519 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,000 take pictures and see what we can see. Just stuff 520 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,519 like that. But I think like that the woods is 521 00:28:58,519 --> 00:28:59,880 like the only place we actually like went with. 522 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,359 Speaker 1: The one thing that stood out to me. Again, before 523 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,440 we get into the keys section of all this is 524 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,000 literally all of his close friends. So he had a 525 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,319 bunch of friends, but this summer before he disappeared, he 526 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:17,559 was hanging out with three in particular, Mahaala, that John 527 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:24,400 kid who is gay, uh and this kid c J. 528 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:28,079 And all three of them said, we think he just 529 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,799 went away for too long and is now freaked out 530 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,240 to come back because of the repercussions of being missing. 531 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:37,079 Speaker 6: When did they say that? 532 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: Pardon did they say that early on? Yeah? And one 533 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,240 of them even just like offered that to the police. 534 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,519 He was like, hey, want to know what I think. 535 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,200 And then there were a lot of sightings of him. 536 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,359 Some have been ruled out as that other kid who 537 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,000 looks like Marble. But one thing that came up is 538 00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,359 he had told John, if I ever decided to run 539 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,319 away from my life, I'm going to shave my head 540 00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:04,599 so no one recognizes me. And there are multiple tips 541 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:07,720 of him walking away from Brattleboro on the day he 542 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:09,079 disappeared with a shaved head. 543 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 6: That's weird. 544 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,079 Speaker 2: But then where the hell did he go? 545 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are some options, and that's this is 546 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,119 where we're going to get into the keys section of 547 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,400 the files. In addition to hiking, Marble liked to go 548 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,000 camp in the woods. He was very into paranormal He 549 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:31,440 would hang out in cemeteries. 550 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:39,119 Speaker 7: This is just baffling me, really, Yeah, So, I mean, 551 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:42,079 just you're in my opinion, I feel as though he 552 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,680 went away for a little longer than thought you would. 553 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,559 Speaker 8: And he got back probably late at night and he realized, 554 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,759 oh wow, everyone's freaking out, and so he's just kind 555 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:54,319 of somewhere trying to figure out how he's going to. 556 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: Come back without people being really mad at him, because 557 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,400 that just seems like the person he is. 558 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 7: He hasn't contacted mahala, He hasn't contacted anybody. 559 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 3: I feel like he's just scared. 560 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,799 Speaker 8: I feel like I'm assuming he's still just out there. 561 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,319 Speaker 3: But mm hmm, I feel like he's hiding out with 562 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:13,440 a friend. And I've even heard. 563 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 8: People say they've seen him like with a shaved head. 564 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 13: Yeah. 565 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,839 Speaker 8: We actually went out last night and like just lived 566 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:21,799 around town at night because we heard and you've been 567 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:22,440 seen at night. 568 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 3: So we figured just for the hell of because something 569 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:25,480 to do. 570 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:30,039 Speaker 5: But I just I just need confirmation that he's okay. 571 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,519 Speaker 4: Right, that's. 572 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 5: So just keep that in mind. 573 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,319 Speaker 4: I do. 574 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 5: And if you think he's just out frolicking with the ground. 575 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: Ones, it's just interesting other kid he is. 576 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I know what you know. 577 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,559 Speaker 7: When he left that note, you know, Marvelous joined a 578 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,640 grumbling horne and is off frolcking. 579 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 5: I knew exactly what that meant. You know, I'm with 580 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:54,640 friends smoking weed. 581 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 3: Right exactly. 582 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 4: So I just. 583 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 8: And like we've checked all the places that we think 584 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,119 he might go, because the Mahalla knows a lot of 585 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,599 places and m John knows a lot of places. So 586 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,799 we checked my woods like thinking he might have gone 587 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,599 off there camping, but he wasn't there. 588 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,519 Speaker 4: We checked. 589 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,359 Speaker 5: Readsbrough. 590 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,319 Speaker 3: I think it was yeh because there's a nice counsel 591 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:15,400 out there, but he wasn't there. 592 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,599 Speaker 5: Like I said, alright, did he talk about going out 593 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,359 of town anywhere? 594 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 12: Did he? 595 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:21,319 Speaker 13: Nah? 596 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,599 Speaker 3: No, he's kind of out of the blue thing. 597 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,359 Speaker 5: Okay. 598 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 8: Also another thing is if he had did actually sh 599 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,920 shave his head, that means pretty much he went on 600 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400 like a meltdown cause he is obsessed with his hair. 601 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,359 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, so right, that's what I felt. 602 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,079 Speaker 7: If he shaved his head, it was he was stripping 603 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,960 away his how or shell and getting down to and 604 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,279 he might have had a breakdown him. 605 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:47,599 Speaker 3: And I think Mahalla says that he was really excited 606 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,680 for senior this So he. 607 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 5: Was really excited for senior year. 608 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 7: Sure, so that's definitely weird, but yeah, cause that's what 609 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,599 everybody's been telling us. 610 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 5: He was excited to go back to school this year 611 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,640 for some reason. 612 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, like CJ. Marble's good friend John, also thought Marble 613 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:10,720 most likely went to the woods on the day that 614 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:15,319 he disappeared. But John, who'd known Marble the longest out 615 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,119 of these three friends, had a few other theories on 616 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,240 what might have happened to Marble, several of which were 617 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,400 related to Marble's tough upbringing. 618 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 5: Did you know where Marble might be? 619 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: I can't think of anywhere specific. 620 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 14: When this first started, I used to think he might 621 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,240 have been living with those under the Walmart or the 622 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,720 Connecticut River bridges, And I told you this before. But 623 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:47,319 I thought he might have been. 624 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,119 Speaker 4: In that wooded area by or. 625 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:55,799 Speaker 14: It is the Woods forest, I guess by Sheer Hill Road. 626 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,759 I told you about that when I first talked to you. 627 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,799 Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone has sent any one around there. 628 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 4: I thought he might have been. 629 00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:05,359 Speaker 14: There, And like I said, he might have gone to 630 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,079 pat and they might be harboring. Other than that, I 631 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,199 can't think of anything him doing anything. 632 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,039 Speaker 5: Other than hopping on a train that. 633 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,599 Speaker 3: It was like the last thing. 634 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,519 Speaker 12: I can think of doing. 635 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,599 Speaker 5: Now. Did he have a lot of money. 636 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 14: He made a lot of money, but he'd never had it, 637 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,559 and as far as I know, he didn't No I 638 00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:29,280 don't think he had a bank account, so. 639 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 3: Any money he would have had would have been kept 640 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:32,119 like in. 641 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 14: A box under his bat or something like that. 642 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,159 Speaker 3: All of his money. 643 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 14: He told me that he did spend a lot of 644 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,159 money on red. That's according to him, he spent almost 645 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,800 all of it. And it seemed like he must have 646 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,239 cause he was making he was making or getting a 647 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,360 good twenty five or twenty five plus hours a week. 648 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,280 And if he was making like a good amount of 649 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,480 money for a teenager, do you. 650 00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 3: Know how much money he was making at least been 651 00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,119 him a wage? 652 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 14: So U he's to be sixteen, and I'm pretty sure 653 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,239 it was above in water if he was like eight 654 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,519 fifty possibly nine dollars an hour. 655 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, would he be wanted to run off if he 656 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,559 was in trouble? 657 00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 12: Uh? 658 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 14: A lot of people ask for that, and I think 659 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:27,760 he would, Like I know Marvel pretty well, he's a 660 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,079 pretty independent person. 661 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,079 Speaker 3: He like really into survival. 662 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:38,199 Speaker 14: Stuff, into like working out, wanting to be tough, So 663 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:40,760 I think he would. I think he kind of prepared, 664 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,199 like wanted to be prepared for if. 665 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:43,599 Speaker 8: You had to. 666 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 14: You know, It's like, h I guess when he was 667 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,559 really handy, he was good of he was like really 668 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:51,840 resourceful with the world to be. 669 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:55,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he. 670 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 6: Would if he had to. 671 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: In that clip, John men that Marble might possibly be 672 00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:05,599 with Pat. You may recall that Pat and Sue were 673 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,719 Marble's first foster guardians. They were homesteaders who lived in 674 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,840 the woods outside of Wilmington, Vermont, the same small town 675 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,840 where John lived, about twenty miles west of Brattleborough, and 676 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,599 of all the caretakers that Marble had as a teenager, 677 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,280 Pat and Sue were the ones he was closest to, 678 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,400 and he stayed in close contact with them from the 679 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,840 time that he left their house until the day he disappeared. 680 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,400 By all accounts, Pats included, Marble spent the night prior 681 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,119 to his disappearance at Pat and Sue's house. According to John, 682 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,760 Marble was having some problems in Brattleboro. He didn't like 683 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,239 his caregiver, Mike, and he was recently opening up about 684 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,480 a childhood trauma which was linked to his estranged mother. 685 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:56,159 And his estranged mother had recently returned to Brattleborough, which, 686 00:36:56,159 --> 00:37:00,679 according to both Mahaala and John, was deeply troubling to Marble. 687 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,480 So John thought that perhaps Pat was trying to protect 688 00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:09,119 Marble from both Mike and his mother, but police ruled 689 00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,800 both Pat and Sue out from being involved in Marble's disappearance. 690 00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,840 John and c J both mentioned Marble being in the woods, 691 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,519 and both areas they mentioned have significance in our overall 692 00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:30,920 investigation into Keys and into what we know about Marble. 693 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,559 John mentioned the woods on Shearer Hill Road in Wilmington. 694 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,800 Those woods are near where Marble once lived and a 695 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,599 house that was abandoned at the time of Marble's disappearance, 696 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,840 a house that, according to his friends, Marble liked to 697 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,559 hang out in. Those woods also abut a small isolated cemetery, 698 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,199 a location both Keys and Marble were known to frequent 699 00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:01,920 for two very different reasons. And c J mentioned the 700 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,679 woods behind his house in west Wardsborough. Those woods are 701 00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:09,159 along Root one hundred. In addition to having their own 702 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:14,039 folklore of colts, those woods also contain an old, small 703 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,599 isolated cemetery. Additionally, thereon Root one hundred where two other 704 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,400 men disappeared in the years prior to Marble's disappearance, Donni 705 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,320 Meser and a man named Brian Gomez whose name is 706 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,000 eerily similar to Brian Dosantos Gomez. One of the name 707 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:38,719 is forty five. Root one hundred is also the same 708 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,599 road where the mysterious bag found in the spur Lane 709 00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:46,119 garage was manufactured and sold. But those aren't the only 710 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:50,400 new coincidences between Marble's disappearance and what we know about 711 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,639 Israel Keys, specifically where Keys was spending his time in 712 00:38:55,679 --> 00:39:01,679 the summer of two thousand eleven. The other really interesting 713 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,360 thing is this CJ guy was a year older than Marble, 714 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,519 John and Mahaala and he left to go to college 715 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:11,800 about a week and a half before Marble disappeared. And 716 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,440 guess where he went to college? 717 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 6: Got where? 718 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 15: And then I went and drove drove the car I 719 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,280 had rented to another parking lot was across the street 720 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,000 from the home depot, and then went and got in 721 00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:29,320 their car and drove up north to where the banks were. 722 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,480 Where at the north it's up We're out fifteen there. 723 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,760 I think the Furthest bank that I was looking at 724 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,239 was up in a town called Johnson or Johnsonville or. 725 00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: Something Johnson, Vermont what And that's weird. John was visiting 726 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,079 CJ when Marble disappeared, and Marble was originally going to 727 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:55,519 go with them, And I forget why he didn't, and 728 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:57,960 then john couldn't come back because of the flooding, so 729 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,280 they stayed up there together for a few days. But 730 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,559 it's interesting that, like Marble had plans to go to 731 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,280 Johnson when he disappeared. 732 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:13,559 Speaker 6: Yeah, weird and sorry go Michelle. 733 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,679 Speaker 2: Oh, I was just gonna say the camping thing that 734 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,400 you mentioned reminds me of Mark Oldbury. 735 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, when Marble disappeared, he had plans to go to Johnson, 736 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,320 Vermont to visit his friend at college. The same town 737 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,960 where Keys took the Courier's car to rob a bank 738 00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:36,840 just two months before Marble vanished. The same college where 739 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,400 a girl believes that Keys stalked her for a night. 740 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,280 The same town where a woman believes Keys used Craigslist 741 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,000 to lure her to an abandoned parking lot, which had 742 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,880 me wondering could Marble have changed his mind at the 743 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,039 last minute, But there were so many similarities between Keys's 744 00:40:56,119 --> 00:41:00,840 June twenty eleven and August twenty eleven timelines. Just before 745 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,599 he abducted the Couriers, Keyes visited Heidi in Harlan, Indiana, 746 00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,639 presumably in an attempt to distance himself from one or 747 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,280 possibly two different abductions. Well, according to Heide's good friend 748 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,360 and neighbor, Keyes also visited Heidi in late August of 749 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:24,719 two thousand eleven, and on August twenty eighth, the day 750 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,559 after Marble disappeared, Keyes was seen for the third time 751 00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:31,920 at a soup kitchen in Johnstown, New York, where Kelly 752 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,880 Sue Akronic disappeared from in two thousand eight, which is 753 00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:39,039 just a two and a half hour drive from Brattleboro 754 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,039 and a four hour drive from Johnson. A few days later, 755 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,000 a separate garage at a rural house in Franklin, Vermont, 756 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:51,119 was completely burned down in what would eventually be determined 757 00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:56,719 to be an arson very similar to the arson that 758 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,840 occurred in Alito, Texas. That house is less than an 759 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,840 hour from Johnson and located directly next to a church 760 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:12,800 and a rural cemetery, and as of twenty twenty one, 761 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,599 when the Brattleboro PD pulled out Marble's file for the 762 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:21,320 ten year anniversary, it seemed more than clear they had 763 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:27,440 no suspects. They were no longer asking questions about Kai 764 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,079 or the brothers. They told several people they didn't think 765 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,880 Marble left of his own volition, nor that he harmed himself. 766 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,920 They asked Mahalla, with some level of desperation. Is there 767 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,400 anyone else they should be thinking about? The supplemental files 768 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,719 made it clear the police believed that Marble was abducted, 769 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:57,239 and the police have no primary suspects. The more I 770 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,320 stared at the map of Keyes's known activity, then Amus 771 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,159 forty five kisus potential crimes and Marble's known activity, the 772 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:10,440 harder it became to ignore the many, many coincidences, and 773 00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:14,000 those amongst the three other potential Keys abductions in that 774 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:20,559 area Kelley Sue Akronick, Donny Mesier, and Brian Gomez. And 775 00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:27,000 then there was one more, a woman who disappeared just 776 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:32,199 six weeks after Marble along that same river, the Connecticut River, 777 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:39,039 across the state line two towns over, while Keys was 778 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,280 in fact in the area. 779 00:43:42,280 --> 00:44:03,119 Speaker 12: Who canna follow ou? Why not be the oshan We're 780 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:14,719 on revel be my only be the water were waited? 781 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,159 Speaker 8: Y are my river running? 782 00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 12: Hug round rom. 783 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 13: H follow I follow you, deep see Baby, I follow you, follow, 784 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,880 I follow you, the Romney, I follow you. 785 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,079 Speaker 1: This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Me 786 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,840 Your Host Josh Hallmark, with additional research by Jordan Taylor, 787 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,599 and Shana Wilensky and research assistants by Michelle Tooker. The 788 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:55,159 episode featured SHANEA. Wilensky and Michelle Tooker. 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You're my river, running high roun 807 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:24,599 Deep Bro. 808 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 13: I follow, I follow you, Deep See Baby, I follow you, 809 00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:43,360 I follow, I follow Dark Brown Honey, I follow you. 810 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 12: M a run. 811 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,760 Speaker 5: And the Room. 812 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 3: I followed, I follow Deep Sea Baby. 813 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 13: I follow, I followed, I follow the Room and 814 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 12: I follow