Speaker 1: Hey, listen, Dear Podcast, Episode four ninety one. I'm Brandam,
Speaker 1: Here's Ryan and today we're gonna jump on board the
Speaker 1: hip train. Now are about for sure?
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of funny because you started
Speaker 2: doing this.
Speaker 1: I started letting the air out too soon. There are
Speaker 1: no words attached to it, you see. Hey, it's a system.
Speaker 1: It's a system that I have going on. Anyone else
Speaker 1: is a system. Hey, Ryan, We're back for yet another
Speaker 1: whirlwind adventure. How you doing good?
Speaker 2: What is going down?
Speaker 1: The whole bunch is going down. We jumped over our
Speaker 1: pre show. We got big life updates to give, We've
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Speaker 2: this point in the show, we're gonna be talking a
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Speaker 2: really liked and very much hope that this will follow suit.
Speaker 1: It's gonna and we're gonna talk about why that kind
Speaker 1: of makes me a little sad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got it on lockdown everybody, and today we
Speaker 2: are we're talking Final Fantasy.
Speaker 1: We are. Wait one more thing before that. Yeah, Vegas,
Speaker 1: Brando flies in. Might not be at the same time
Speaker 1: as Ryan. I've never done that before. So if you're
Speaker 1: gonna be in Vegas when I get there, I need
Speaker 1: somebody to make sure that I'm not at the airport
Speaker 1: when Ryan gets there, because I want to be not there.
Speaker 1: I want to be at the house or on the
Speaker 1: strip or somewhere else. I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 2: That's not why you want. That's not why you want. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said the right thing.
Speaker 1: Why I don't want to be stuck at the airport.
Speaker 2: No, you want to get to the event center first,
Speaker 2: so you can look for dark misprinted Griffin Canyon.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that anyway. You always stop and mingle
Speaker 1: and then I go and flee.
Speaker 2: Oh there's no mingling at the airport unless it's with
Speaker 2: eighteen dollars beers.
Speaker 1: Will we get there on Thursday? Not even open on Thursday?
Speaker 2: Oh so what you're saying is eighteen dollars beers.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yes, us dollars. That's like sixty seven dollars, can.
Speaker 2: They Yeah, certainly it is.
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I lost my train of thought. I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: You said we're gonna jump the pre show, but you
Speaker 2: and Gary might do a pre show.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, well we're just jumping it this week, but
Speaker 1: we might do Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll leave it up to you. Uncle Brando's managing
Speaker 2: that right now, because I'm I'm actually changing jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That sucks, guy, No, it sucks.
Speaker 2: No, it's the worst. I walked into the damn studio,
Speaker 2: I said, I hate everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what he said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I looked in the fridge and there
Speaker 2: was no frickin beer. Oh yeah, only from bad to worse.
Speaker 1: Only the beer that we're going to be drinking. On
Speaker 1: the stream that we're gonna do in about an hour
Speaker 1: from now real time. You can watch on the Duffer
Speaker 1: and av Media Twitch stream. You can watch it in
Speaker 1: the delay. In celebration of the Final Fantasy Magic the
Speaker 1: Gathering set coming out, me and Gary are gonna play
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy six on the Supernintendo Gary's first time playing it.
Speaker 2: What a what a nerd?
Speaker 1: Very cool. It's one of the best games of all time.
Speaker 1: So if you're interested in that at all, come by
Speaker 1: and check that out.
Speaker 2: Baby, I got this. Who doesn't play Final Fantasy? You
Speaker 2: or who play his Final Fantasy? And Gary? He doesn't?
Speaker 2: He does both and neither. It's a weird spot. Now
Speaker 2: I'm in a weird spot with Final Fantasy. Here's the thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: to me, it kind of feels like Doctor Who in
Speaker 2: that kind of looks like and I'm gonna hear it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna hear it. For me, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna hear it, well for somebody. I think it looks
Speaker 2: the same. My eyeballs, my caveman brain is like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. This just looks the same as all the
Speaker 2: Secret Layer anime weeb stuff that we got. It looks
Speaker 2: the same as the backgrounds of the characters, like behind
Speaker 2: the characters in the art for Final Fantasy that we've
Speaker 2: seen so far. Looks the same as the background in
Speaker 2: Doctor Who. Uh. I don't want to rain on anybody's parade,
Speaker 2: but thus far, I don't feel like this is very
Speaker 2: special and I need you. I need you to convince
Speaker 2: me otherwise.
Speaker 1: Well, look how much money it costs, Ryan. Oh, it
Speaker 1: must be especially special for that kind of dollars, right,
Speaker 1: I had to just I had to just dig that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and man, start at the bottom of the hill.
Speaker 1: I am dig.
Speaker 2: I am so happy that Lord of the Rings came
Speaker 2: out when it did, because can you imagine what the
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings set would have cost for your
Speaker 2: good friend Ryan.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if it.
Speaker 2: Was swapped like like spit swapped with Frick and Final Fantasy,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to think of that. No, because
Speaker 1: I mean, as of this recording, there isn't like a
Speaker 1: one of one millions of dollars card that you could.
Speaker 2: Open in Final Fantas.
Speaker 1: And there might be I could see there being one,
Speaker 1: I really could.
Speaker 2: Of course, there is one.
Speaker 1: The perfect one, of course, would be the the Crystals
Speaker 1: as a in universe version of Jeweled Lotus. But we
Speaker 1: all know that that's not gonna go.
Speaker 2: Oh that would be so awesome. I thought you were
Speaker 2: going to say something about a butt plug. Well, I
Speaker 2: mean I will take crystals though and still put them.
Speaker 1: In butts, yes, but we don't know if that's a
Speaker 1: thing yet. But I mean I don't even think you can. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, the the one of one card like the
Speaker 1: Chase stuff hasn't really been put out there yet as
Speaker 1: of this recording. We're just talking about kind of the
Speaker 1: hype surrounding it, cause it's like the second time we've
Speaker 1: done a Universe is Beyond like giant set.
Speaker 2: Complete set. So tell us about that. Oh you could
Speaker 2: put magic cards up your butt too. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna throw that out there. Yeah, yeah, no King
Speaker 2: shame in the Nation. Okay, So this is full set,
Speaker 2: full blown set. We've got full set to two hundred
Speaker 2: and some cards correct, three through whatever, plus alternate printings,
Speaker 2: plus alternate foil versions, plus showcase plus special editions, plus thing.
Speaker 2: So there's gonna be eight hundred cards in the set.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like there was with the Lord of the
Speaker 2: Ring set.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a fleet of pre cons yeah, four
Speaker 2: of them, four of them. Okay, we're gonna have boosties,
Speaker 2: like we're gonna have whatever the what's the boosters called now, playbooter,
Speaker 2: They're called play boosters.
Speaker 1: I think they're just boosters. At this point. There's only
Speaker 1: one we're gonna have.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be boosters, there's gonna be collectis. There's gonna
Speaker 2: be collect these. Do we know if there's gonna be
Speaker 2: anything else there. There's gonna be secret layers.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's gonna be secret layers that surround it. There's
Speaker 1: a starter deck like to.
Speaker 2: Con the forties or the sixty card ones, and those
Speaker 2: are gonna have probably like Lord of the Rings did,
Speaker 2: unique legendary creatures specific to those sets in regular frame,
Speaker 2: not extended.
Speaker 1: Art, regular frame foil. I believe there's a cloud and
Speaker 1: a Cepharroth. They've been spoiled already.
Speaker 2: I totally know what that's.
Speaker 1: So if those, if those interest you, that's where you're
Speaker 1: gonna find a couple of those guys. I'm sure that
Speaker 1: it's gonna sell very well, just based on the characters.
Speaker 1: There's also another set another uh, Like there's like ff
Speaker 1: are like the regular set and FFC with the Command Matter,
Speaker 1: but there's another one, Final Fantasy Beyond Time, And the
Speaker 1: only place I've seen it is in the upcoming spoilers thing.
Speaker 1: I read a couple of places like here's the spoilers
Speaker 1: and like, here's this other set name that's coming.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what that is oh yplog boosters aftermath? Oh?
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: You know what it might be like? It might be
Speaker 2: like the Lord of the Rings holiday edition that only
Speaker 2: came in Collector Boosties and had the poster arts in it,
Speaker 2: the serialized poster arts in it, And man, that's what
Speaker 2: I'd be getting my hands on and leaving sealed because
Speaker 2: you know how much those booster backs are worth lots
Speaker 2: many excitement.
Speaker 1: Do you think that this one's gonna have the same
Speaker 1: kind of value out of it based on it being
Speaker 1: probably less game changing to use it well now a
Speaker 1: new term. Yeah, and also because it's standard legal because
Speaker 1: they have to print cards in it for standard Like
Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna see like the huge reprint?
Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna see the Orchish Bow Masters
Speaker 1: of the World? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, are we gonna see the one ring ooh, the
Speaker 2: sour on the Dark Lord? Those three cards would have
Speaker 2: ruined standard?
Speaker 1: Yeah, are we gonna see that in Final Fantasy? Do
Speaker 1: you think so far? I don't think we have the
Speaker 1: Commander cards. I think, overall, by and large are very commandery.
Speaker 1: I have to stretch really hard to see the flavor
Speaker 1: of them. Like I had to contort myself in all
Speaker 1: kinds of weird shit. I like stre which you could
Speaker 1: see if you're watching on YouTube, which you should be
Speaker 1: to like get the themes. But I mean maybe they'll
Speaker 1: they'll be better as I get to see you.
Speaker 2: No, you know what, maybe you just don't know anything
Speaker 2: about Final Fantasy.
Speaker 1: That's hypothetically possible. I've never played fourteen.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe this is maybe the Watzia designers only played fourteen,
Speaker 2: and they're making it up. And they're making it up
Speaker 2: for one through thirteen, including ten to one, ten, two, ten, three,
Speaker 2: and then fifteen through twenty six.
Speaker 1: Thirteen, one, two and three.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: All the expansions for eleven.
Speaker 2: What was the other online one?
Speaker 1: Noah, fourteen fifteen is the one in the car.
Speaker 2: He wasn't even he wasn't even born.
Speaker 1: He wasn't eve born in those those games.
Speaker 2: He wasn't even born until freaking twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: We've already seen like uncommons that people want banned because
Speaker 1: they're too good. Gave me a break, right, And we've
Speaker 1: already seen I don't know, we've seen one good reprint
Speaker 1: come out of it. I think so far it was spoiled.
Speaker 1: Just recently, we're gonna see Dark Confident come back into Standard.
Speaker 2: Never heard of her.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Dark Confident in Standard to be cool. I personally really
Speaker 2: like Dark Confident in Commander. I think that you can
Speaker 2: build around it if you care about your life total
Speaker 2: going down.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: I like decks that just don't give a shit. I
Speaker 2: hate life card only card, No life only card.
Speaker 1: Remember that time we were playing over at Big Ben's place,
Speaker 1: playing rev and I had a Confidant and then the
Speaker 1: flying Dark Confident on and then the little offspring of
Speaker 1: the Dark Confidence. Yes, and I flipped cards that were
Speaker 1: like six, five, seven, and I was like fifteen life
Speaker 1: because of myself.
Speaker 2: You did manage to survive a turn at two? Yes,
Speaker 2: that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: It was pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. And how many cards you draw that
Speaker 2: turn four?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Pretty good.
Speaker 1: I didn't win that game, no, I know. I drew
Speaker 1: four out of my own deck and then one deck
Speaker 1: out of each of my opponents. One still didn't save me.
Speaker 2: One deck out of each of your opponents, yeah, on
Speaker 2: deck through the whole deck. So okay, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: like Lord of the Rings. It's gonna have a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of border treatments. Is it gonna be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's an example. Okay, is it gonna be more like
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings and have cards like ORCS bowl
Speaker 2: Masters and Murky b Mirkwood Bats that was gonna recommander yep,
Speaker 2: and the one ring which is pretty it permutated or no,
Speaker 2: it permeated like BA basically every eternal format ever.
Speaker 1: It's in every format unless it's a band. Right.
Speaker 2: Ah, we're gonna say that and pretend we're right around
Speaker 2: the internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody can say it We're wrong in the comments.
Speaker 2: Or is Final Fantasy going to be more like Magic
Speaker 2: Foundations because that's corset designed specifically for standard and a
Speaker 2: great kind of ground level fucking foundation for the standard format.
Speaker 2: Because they're like, this is going to stay around for
Speaker 2: like three years or five years, whatever it is, let's
Speaker 2: design our sets around it. Me thinks closer to foundation,
Speaker 2: But then methinks, how are they going to sell.
Speaker 1: Eighty five dollars booster packs with.
Speaker 2: Eighty five dollars cards that command an eighty five dollars
Speaker 2: in booster pack price tag?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And now are are cards in Lord of the ringsworth
Speaker 2: eighty five dollars that aren't silver showcase foils okay, silver
Speaker 2: screen foils, whatever they're called, like this, the Hildebrant ones
Speaker 2: that aren't one ring and Orchestrawl Masters. Because there's eight
Speaker 2: hundred other cards in the set, it's just those two
Speaker 2: that command like the really really big price tag. The
Speaker 2: showcase scroll foils from the holiday packs. Those ones command
Speaker 2: quite a price tag because those packs are so rare
Speaker 2: and nobody's opening them anymore. Right, Like, I'm sure we're
Speaker 2: going to land somewhere in the middle. I don't think
Speaker 2: because foundations and being in standard kind of keeps it
Speaker 2: in check. I don't think we're going to be as
Speaker 2: close to Lord of the Rings in terms of secondary
Speaker 2: market price as like, it's not going to be pushing
Speaker 2: up on the bottom of Lord of the Rings. It's
Speaker 2: going to be it's gonna be up there. It's going
Speaker 2: to be more expensive than fricking buying.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be more Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: Sealed until it's not anymore because it's a standard set,
Speaker 2: and then it's going to be just like, oh, these
Speaker 2: are some of the best cards in standard maybe instead
Speaker 2: of like oh my god, Orchestra bow Masters in one
Speaker 2: Ring needs to be banned. I don't think we're going
Speaker 2: to see that.
Speaker 1: I don't either, and I'm glad for that. I kind
Speaker 1: of wish that there would be cards like that in
Speaker 1: the set, because this is the one that I want,
Speaker 1: and I want to have really powerful, just screwball stuff
Speaker 1: that blows up the whole magic, the gathering ecosystem come
Speaker 1: out of my set. Yes, like you got it. I
Speaker 1: want to know what that feels like, full jerk off. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I feel like I probably won't.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't, but but I could you could have.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were the type of person that
Speaker 1: would feel.
Speaker 2: Under stick about my butt, rub my wing were two
Speaker 2: one rings real fast like this make a fire?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: I could do that.
Speaker 1: You could do that.
Speaker 2: I have at least two one rings, which is kind
Speaker 2: of an oxymoron that you could punch a hole in
Speaker 2: one with a drill bit and wear it like a
Speaker 2: apron Ah what, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's been at work all day. Ladies and gentlemen, they
Speaker 1: only have one one ring like Garfield and Tended.
Speaker 2: I have nine one rings like Saluron.
Speaker 1: Fucking isn't that the that's the humans though, it's the humans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a human.
Speaker 1: You don't have a human ring, or you go'da be
Speaker 1: a Nazgul and then you'd be worth like twenty five dollars.
Speaker 2: No showcase scroll ones like sixty now, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The regular ones or like twenty five? Are they do not? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nasgools are expensive. Are we getting cards like Nasgul?
Speaker 2: Is there something like that that exists? Because they have
Speaker 2: any number of cards in deck? Cards are always a
Speaker 2: few bucks, right, yeah, even the common ones like Dragon's
Speaker 2: approaches like a dollar or two, and the uncommon ones
Speaker 2: are three or four in some cases. And Nasguls just
Speaker 2: freaking skyrocket pounded the chart to dust. Yeah, they're so expensive.
Speaker 1: They sure are, like oh my good lord.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have I think I have exactly nine of
Speaker 2: those because they're in my collection. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can play Nascuul man, I need nine of them,
Speaker 2: and I have nine of them a collection. I made
Speaker 2: myself a rule that they're not coming out.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, and I have nine of them and
Speaker 1: they're in my talks real deck.
Speaker 2: That's good place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there anything like that in Final Fantasy that you
Speaker 2: expect to see or you think that we ought to see.
Speaker 1: Not that I can think of. I can't think of
Speaker 1: an enemy that like replicates itself that way. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be an enemy or there's some characters that do that
Speaker 1: for sure. Oh right, So I don't think so, I
Speaker 1: really don't think there is unless something post thirteen made
Speaker 1: it happen where they came up with an enemy that'll
Speaker 1: keep like Flans will split and make themselves. But that
Speaker 1: only happened in one game. So I feel like we're
Speaker 1: not going to see Flan or Flawn f l a
Speaker 1: n flon Flan flings pep up to give themselves one
Speaker 1: hit point and then die. Idiots.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pretend like I know what that means. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's idiots. Yeah they suck.
Speaker 1: They're so stupid. So here's the thing that I the
Speaker 1: reason why I wanted to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, hit me up, because you you came up with
Speaker 2: some simple question topic such Now.
Speaker 1: We can't say with a straight face or any legitimacy,
Speaker 1: I would say that the Final Fantasy property is at
Speaker 1: the same level of Lord of the Rings is in
Speaker 1: terms of public consciousness. No, maybe in like the magic
Speaker 1: the gathering kind of community ecosystem. Yes, maybe they're close.
Speaker 1: In real life they are not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, you're probably right, like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, in real life they're not.
Speaker 1: No, Ya.
Speaker 2: Final Fantasy is on a different is. It kind of
Speaker 2: took itself on its own trajectory and they're not the same,
Speaker 2: even though, like Lord of the Rings in Tolkien, is
Speaker 2: is fantasy. It is the fantasy modern fantasy progenitor, and
Speaker 2: it is the non magic people play it.
Speaker 1: It is what it is.
Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, what it is is its own thing,
Speaker 2: and it's getting its own theme park.
Speaker 1: It's so big, like it's the biggest. But in terms
Speaker 1: of our little ecosystem community, do you think that Final
Speaker 1: Fantasy is going to drum up the support and bring
Speaker 1: in the outside people willing to come in in the
Speaker 1: way that Lord of the Rings did.
Speaker 2: Hmmm?
Speaker 1: Because I would say that people who are fans of
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy are going to be more apt to want
Speaker 1: to play a game like this than your average Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings fan who might just like the fantasy
Speaker 1: and the high elfness of the whole thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it might not be prone to games.
Speaker 2: I think this is the first thing. I think. Okay,
Speaker 2: our ticker has the wrong promo code on it. I
Speaker 2: changed it, but it didn't save frick.
Speaker 1: Turn it off? Ah off, there we go.
Speaker 2: There we go. Second thing, CEO Holiday, CCO Holiday. Use
Speaker 2: it get a freaking discount because everything's expensive and life sucks?
Speaker 1: Sure is it? Sure? Does?
Speaker 2: Hmm? I think that? Come on, we had to dead that.
Speaker 1: This is a blue ar cover. This is happy fun time, CCO, baby, continue.
Speaker 2: This is happy fun time. CCO, you bitch. I think
Speaker 2: that if you said to some nerd who plays Final Fantasy,
Speaker 2: sure and hear me out on this. Okay, Hey, you
Speaker 2: like turn based RPG with like anime characters showing boobs? Yeah,
Speaker 2: come play Magic the Gathering. They have a Final Fantasy expansion.
Speaker 1: Do we take turns? Are there girls with boobs?
Speaker 2: I'man yes. And it's the same people who already know
Speaker 2: Final Fantasy. It's not like, go play sports card game.
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm a gamer. I'm gonna play Madden
Speaker 2: and NHL two K twenty four, right, Like the people
Speaker 2: who play Madden and NFL games and NHL games not
Speaker 2: the same kind of gamer as people who play Final Fantasy.
Speaker 2: In most cases, I'm generalizing, it's the Internet. Give me
Speaker 2: a break.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yep.
Speaker 2: Also, there's no such card game like that that is
Speaker 2: of like worth its salt. Yes, So people who who
Speaker 2: play Final Fantasy that want a card game that's turn
Speaker 2: based and fantasy based like Magic is it and final
Speaker 2: based and final bahow.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: Yes, lose the game, lose your.
Speaker 1: Life, I mean lose your play the game, lose your
Speaker 1: life savings. I'm gonna that because yes, because I did
Speaker 1: for another little update, I did source my box. So
Speaker 1: if you are going to be in the house in Vegas,
Speaker 1: we will be opening Final Fantasy collector boosters.
Speaker 2: Did you win the lottery?
Speaker 1: No, I just won't be getting tattooed again for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 2: Because because you had to sell some of your skin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to which part it's hidden. I had
Speaker 1: some despaired worry about it.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried. That isn't the word, but disturbed curious.
Speaker 1: Ah there, I feel like RoboCop, but robo you know
Speaker 1: that's that. Yeah, I was gonna say cock, thank you, Gary.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's gonna be closer to foundation. This
Speaker 2: is a weird episode. It's very good, freaking weird episode.
Speaker 2: Closer to Foundations than Lord of the Rings though it
Speaker 2: will be like Lord of the.
Speaker 1: Rings in what do you think that? Are? We gonna
Speaker 1: go to Vegas? And I realized that the release isn't
Speaker 1: the same like when we went to Edmonton. It was
Speaker 1: like release week or whatever for Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 1: whereas it's gonna have been out for a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks and we get to Vegas.
Speaker 2: Do we have do you do you have the launch
Speaker 2: date for Final Fantasy.
Speaker 1: June seven or thirteen or something.
Speaker 2: Okay, look that up, but yeah, it's the weekend prior
Speaker 2: to going because the convention starts on like the twentieth
Speaker 2: or whatever. Yeah, so it must be the thirteenth.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a week or two before we Yeah, are
Speaker 1: we gonna roll in there and it's gonna sell out
Speaker 1: every vendor.
Speaker 2: And what was it seven minutes?
Speaker 1: Seven or eight minutes or something, because it's would be wild.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna be gone, and then the guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be like showing us out of their trench coat
Speaker 1: like guys at the house. Yeah I got one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna roll up their their freaking sleeve and
Speaker 2: they're gonna have Final Fantasy packs taped to their wrist
Speaker 2: right in cartoons?
Speaker 1: Is that what it's gonna be? Like somebody's gonna come
Speaker 1: in pull like a condom of Collector Boosters out of
Speaker 1: the back of the toilet. Yeah, you know what I mean, like.
Speaker 2: Some guy flipping a coin with a toothpick. I got
Speaker 2: your final fantasy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, is that what it's gonna be?
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, some some showgirls on Las Vegas
Speaker 2: Boulevard do say that I've got your final fantasy. Very specifically,
Speaker 2: they say that, I wonder if they're gonna have booster
Speaker 2: packs instead of pasties.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know which one would they make more
Speaker 1: money having?
Speaker 2: While they would make more money not having the Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy Boosters as pasties because they could sell them.
Speaker 1: Well, then you sell them then, like you buy the
Speaker 1: booster pack and they take the pasty off and you
Speaker 1: see their boom and then they put a new one on.
Speaker 1: I suppose Jesus, why am I the marketing genius in that?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is a weird episode. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 1: To that it's for the people, it's for the niche. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be sold out, I.
Speaker 1: Big prediction is it is it is? Again? Is this
Speaker 1: because way over inflated cost or is it because you
Speaker 1: don't think it's actually gonna be as desired? No, I
Speaker 1: just thought of this just now. In the holiday version
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, you have the poster cards that
Speaker 1: are with lots.
Speaker 2: Of money, Yes, the serialized.
Speaker 1: Ones in Final Fantasy. I'll bet you we're going to
Speaker 1: have the same structure of card, but with uh the
Speaker 1: a Mano Yoshataka artwork on it.
Speaker 2: The very is that the guy that did Liliana.
Speaker 1: That's the three thousand dollars Louiana. Yes, he did all
Speaker 1: the character arts. This is like he is Final Fantasy artwork.
Speaker 1: With Lord of the Rings, you had like that list
Speaker 1: of guys, right, Yeah, the Hilda Brandt brothers are the
Speaker 1: people that they got to do magic cards.
Speaker 2: No, sorry it wasn't. They didn't get them to do
Speaker 2: magic cards, I know that. But they used art that
Speaker 2: was previously Lord of the Rings art.
Speaker 1: And this guy he is Final Fantasy. He is the
Speaker 1: art from the front because he is a very unique
Speaker 1: style and I could see those being pretty chase and like, yes,
Speaker 1: something that would be very very collected.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if this
Speaker 2: and and maybe people who know a little bit more
Speaker 2: about print runs and distribution could let us know in
Speaker 2: the comments this this maybe the original print run of
Speaker 2: Collector Boosters. By the end of the weekend in Vegas
Speaker 2: sells out, and I think it would work something like this. Okay,
Speaker 2: get you get to the convention. Everybody's buying it like
Speaker 2: crazy because it's new, because their local game store is
Speaker 2: already sold out and out of stock on all the
Speaker 2: big websites globally, and everybody's price gouging on YouTube. I
Speaker 2: think that that's what it is. Yeah, sorry eBay and YouTube, yes,
Speaker 2: but eBay okay, so you're probably getting price gouged on eBay.
Speaker 2: You walk into Magic Con Las Vegas, what did you
Speaker 2: what's a box worth a collector box? Four hundred six,
Speaker 2: seven hundred eight okay eight? Okay, price gouge at eight okay.
Speaker 1: And now that might come down or go good, But.
Speaker 2: Price gouge at eight is my example. You walk into
Speaker 2: Magic Con Las Vegas and you pay eight twenty five. Sure, sure,
Speaker 2: and they're selling at eight twenty five because there's serialized
Speaker 2: and collectors and jerk off cards and all the stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay by the end of the day Friday eight fifty, Okay,
Speaker 2: by midday Saturday nine Well, maybe, yeah, maybe I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I want this or that it
Speaker 2: could happen, but this is sort of the price trend
Speaker 2: and the kind of thing that happened with Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings Collectors over the course of the couple months
Speaker 2: that people thought that the one of one ring wasn't found, right,
Speaker 2: it got found in one.
Speaker 1: Day, by the way it was found on the first day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy just didn't know what to do, poor guy.
Speaker 1: Two million was two million US, it was two million
Speaker 1: US Canadian it was a million whatever it was. He
Speaker 1: paid it because the guy who opened it was Canadian
Speaker 1: from Toronto, bought it from from face to face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and post Malone gave him a us D amount equivalent
Speaker 1: to two million Canadian dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I would have taken two million us D.
Speaker 1: That's what I would have did too. And post Malon
Speaker 1: would show uped my house the big check.
Speaker 2: Or a dump truck of money.
Speaker 1: Did I have to like scoop it up? My neighbors
Speaker 1: did see, and then I'll be asking me for stuff
Speaker 1: and I want that.
Speaker 2: I let us know in the comments, what would you
Speaker 2: rather have a discrete? Like, oh, oh, a concrete truck.
Speaker 2: You know how they have the shoot that the concrete
Speaker 2: comes out of. Yeah, but money dollar dollar bills you
Speaker 2: into your front door, into your front door, so your
Speaker 2: neighbors just think like you're getting your basement poored.
Speaker 1: It's a cement mixer, but money's being yes into your house.
Speaker 2: Or do you want a big novelty check?
Speaker 1: Both are good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm asking.
Speaker 1: Remember how much fun we had with Amy's Big Novelty check.
Speaker 2: Verrely, it was the most fun.
Speaker 1: It was a big novelty check. It was also a
Speaker 1: real check.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see the price trend on the collector boosters
Speaker 2: go up until they're maybe sold out or at a
Speaker 2: price where vendors are happy to have them not move,
Speaker 2: which seems like a weird thing to say, but the
Speaker 2: sealed price of a box can help inform what like
Speaker 2: singles are worth right and vice versa. Like it goes
Speaker 2: both ways, and it's I don't think that we'll see
Speaker 2: play boosters sell out. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think we will either. I bet you collector
Speaker 1: boosters are going to be nigh impossible to find, and
Speaker 1: especially until they send out like they have a second
Speaker 1: wave of product, if you're gonna want to get those,
Speaker 1: I really do think of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And well, because it's a standard set too, right,
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm not gonna call it, Oh it's
Speaker 2: print on demand, like I know, because I'm an idiot
Speaker 2: and don't know. But it's a standard set, so I
Speaker 2: don't know they're not gonna sell out.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's gonna be like Lord of the
Speaker 1: Rings had, like the thing where like you can only
Speaker 1: print like this image x times because otherwise you have
Speaker 1: to give us more excitements.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there were so many things I learned from
Speaker 2: vendors and from like retailers, online retailers at various shows,
Speaker 2: and from various employees at certain companies just because we
Speaker 2: talk to people that there was a lot of rules,
Speaker 2: like only digital art instead of like painting on canvas
Speaker 2: style art and being sold on the secondary market like
Speaker 2: magic artists do. Yeah, only so many printings of yes,
Speaker 2: big card or big big X big card or very
Speaker 2: strict print runs on this that or the other thing.
Speaker 1: Do you think we'll see that here? Do you think
Speaker 1: we're gonna run into like we're gonna find out that
Speaker 1: Square Square Innings had all these rules.
Speaker 2: Or square anus. Yeah, yeah, okay, maybe you.
Speaker 1: Think we're gonna bump into a bunch of that stuff
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, sorry, guys, you better have your
Speaker 1: teeth is because we're not allowed to print her anymore.
Speaker 1: Skirts too short? Oh that's all right there. Oh that's
Speaker 1: why I said that. It's on the screen in front
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, I think, and I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago, you had a conspiracy theory,
Speaker 2: sure did. Now I have one, and I just made
Speaker 2: it up. I just made it. I think the ultra
Speaker 2: limited print run, no physical art, only digital, and things
Speaker 2: like limiting the number of big cards that vendors and
Speaker 2: tournament organizers can print. That kind of stuff is a
Speaker 2: pseudo kind of negative area backhanded. There's no literature to
Speaker 2: support this way of WATSI acknowledging the secondary market to
Speaker 2: say we're going to put all these checks in place
Speaker 2: so Middle Earth enterprises maintains their prestige in the fantasy
Speaker 2: genre because they're set on the secondary market is the
Speaker 2: most expensive one. I think Lord of the rings limited
Speaker 2: availability is purposeful, is engineered in a way to make
Speaker 2: it expensive so much so that it is the most
Speaker 2: expensive compared to any other IP that they're ever gonna do. Damn,
Speaker 2: tell me one that's more expensive. Tell me one that
Speaker 2: will ever be more expensive based on what the what
Speaker 2: the actual IP is and also the actual engineered scarcity
Speaker 2: of the product.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, it's a very good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some fricking tinfoil hat stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a nipple on the top of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my favorite kind of tinfoil hat that like nipples.
Speaker 1: I don't know, And there's there's a zero percent chance
Speaker 1: that I think that Square would care about that.
Speaker 2: Square is the maker of.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're the company that owns the Final Fantasy license,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: Can see them just I'm gonna pretend I knew that.
Speaker 1: They just hold their hand out like this and as
Speaker 1: long as you're putting money in it, they'll just have
Speaker 1: their hand out there. That's what that's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay, that's what businesses do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that that would be I don't think that
Speaker 1: they care about the prestige. They just want you to
Speaker 1: give them fucking money.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And here's the thing about the Tolkien estate is
Speaker 2: people are going to do that, Yeah, they and they
Speaker 2: care about it. Yeah, And maybe that makes them snobs.
Speaker 1: I think that there's I don't know them, I never
Speaker 1: met them, I don't know who they are, and quite frankly,
Speaker 1: I don't care who they are. But the fact is
Speaker 1: I could see like a Tolkien descended being, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: this great great grandfather's work is with so many dollars
Speaker 1: to these nerds, and then they cap.
Speaker 2: Well some of their juice, even if it ain't it's
Speaker 2: some executive who they employ to do that.
Speaker 1: And then he's slow. He's swirling the wine for the
Speaker 1: great great grandchild, and he goes, oh, great grandfather of Tolkien,
Speaker 1: this set that the nerds like is worth so many dollars,
Speaker 1: and that makes the guy happy, Whereas the guy at
Speaker 1: squaresoft is like some nameless AI thing like executive AI
Speaker 1: that they've to and it's just a it's just a
Speaker 1: robot handling asking for money, yes, because that's what they
Speaker 1: care about.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And that's not me saying that they're shitty or that
Speaker 1: this set's gonna suck because of it. I'm just saying it.
Speaker 2: Like, listen to us being all negative about stuff. I'm actually,
Speaker 2: I'm actually the I'm excited and happy that Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings happened, and I'm excited and happy that that
Speaker 2: people also get Final Fantasy because I know how big
Speaker 2: of a of a thing that it is.
Speaker 1: It's a huge franchise. It changed like pop culture in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. It has lots of like the
Speaker 1: stories and the characters and lots of the stuff are
Speaker 1: a little bit more mainstream than I think people even believe. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: Is that one of the things you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: I believe?
Speaker 1: So, I mean you don't. It's hard because you have
Speaker 1: no frame of reference for them. Yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's tricky frick because like, you
Speaker 1: don't know why Final Fantasy seven had two theatrical releases,
Speaker 1: a mobile game, five spin offs, and in a three
Speaker 1: part remake. You don't know why that is. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: I don't know why that is, but well I do
Speaker 1: with money. But but like the impact that it had
Speaker 1: on the gaming landscape was huge, Like Final Fantasy seven
Speaker 1: is one of the really really big reasons why PlayStation
Speaker 1: is still winning the console wars.
Speaker 2: Oh shots fired. Let us know in the comments.
Speaker 1: How many years ago is that? Nineteen ninety seven, that's
Speaker 1: almost thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna pretend I knew that.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason. It's a big reason why was
Speaker 1: on the strength of this one game coming out, people
Speaker 1: have touted Final Fantasy six again. Then we're gonna play
Speaker 1: on a Twitch stream with Gary as one of the
Speaker 1: not just like a great work of fiction, not just
Speaker 1: a video game. And it's been how hyped as one
Speaker 1: of the top ten SNS games of all time and
Speaker 1: one of the top ten best video games of all
Speaker 1: time still today. Really like it's a it's a gaming
Speaker 1: badge of honor that when you when you play these
Speaker 1: games sometimes like some of the really specific ones are
Speaker 1: huge deals. It's one of my favorite games ever. I
Speaker 1: played through it. Like people reread Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 1: I play Final Fantasy six.
Speaker 2: Two things. If you love it so much, want.
Speaker 1: You to marry it, I should and they'd be marry
Speaker 1: and rich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be.
Speaker 1: Trade that.
Speaker 2: I've never reread Lord of the Rings really, Nope, olive lying,
Speaker 2: I'm rereading it right, now, Yeah, I know. I read
Speaker 2: it four times last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nerd, I remember watching one of the DVD extras.
Speaker 1: What was it the guy that played Sorrowman or whatever says, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I reread it every year around Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Lord of the Rings is a Christmas story.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, you're such a nerd. Yeah, oh my god? Yeah.
Speaker 2: How often? How often do you play Final Fantasy like
Speaker 2: any of them?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm mid play through a five right now. I
Speaker 1: was playing it this morning.
Speaker 2: Eh and and do you okay, I'm gonna pretend I
Speaker 2: know this, so I'm just gonna get that out.
Speaker 1: Of the way, Okay.
Speaker 2: Do you play them like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen?
Speaker 1: Oh no?
Speaker 2: Or do you just play them and they're a self
Speaker 2: contained thing?
Speaker 1: Each one is its own little self contained world unless
Speaker 1: it's this, like, unless they're like ten to two, well
Speaker 1: thirteen two or whatever, okay, and those ones are typically crap.
Speaker 2: Is it okay? Is it? Is it a self contained
Speaker 2: world though? Or is it like Doctor Who? Or is
Speaker 2: it one world and there's a bunch of shit going
Speaker 2: on like Warhammer forty k Nope?
Speaker 1: Self contained world? Each one They are in no way
Speaker 1: connected except.
Speaker 2: For like Tifa and Cloud don't know each.
Speaker 1: Other, they do because they're they're from the same game. Goddamn,
Speaker 1: they know each other because they're from the same game.
Speaker 2: I totally knew that.
Speaker 1: On the screen, we have Tifa and Celeste. They don't
Speaker 1: know each other.
Speaker 2: H yeah, they probably wouldn't like each other.
Speaker 1: The similarities between games are the little littlemoughles. It's like
Speaker 1: one of them little mascot characters. Okay, a couple of
Speaker 1: recurring enemies, ton berries behemoths.
Speaker 2: Have have we seen any of those recurring enemies yet?
Speaker 1: Cactar Cactar is returning is a recurring enemy, okay, Umber
Speaker 1: Jumbo Kactar. Yeah, that's that's one of them. But they're
Speaker 1: all their own thing. The Choco bowl, which will eventually
Speaker 1: show up the chocobo, is actually the commander set.
Speaker 2: Symbol, the chocabo. It's that dirty. I want to chokeabo.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give myself a chokeable. I'm going to reach
Speaker 2: around and give myself a chokeable, and my wife's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be yeah, yeah, chocobos.
Speaker 2: I want to rusty chocabo. I want to give myself
Speaker 2: the chocobo.
Speaker 1: Diani everybody's getting Final Fantasy themed CEO nicknames in the house.
Speaker 1: I just decided I want to Rusty Trump Choca Bones.
Speaker 2: Yes, we've done it.
Speaker 1: We've done it. So like the worlds are very loosely
Speaker 1: connected only through a couple of characters, and I think
Speaker 1: they just do that for like consistencies steak sake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like the level of technology in the world, how
Speaker 1: the magic in the world works, where the monsters come from,
Speaker 1: everything else is just its own.
Speaker 2: How do they interpret that or transpose that onto magic
Speaker 2: without making all of these let's call them diverse worlds
Speaker 2: not feel like the same game, Like, how do I
Speaker 2: take Final Fantasy five and Final Fantasy eight, let's say, okay,
Speaker 2: and not just make them the same thing. Is that
Speaker 2: going to be a criticism that we see.
Speaker 1: I think it is they.
Speaker 2: Use the same artists for this character and this character,
Speaker 2: and this one's from five and this one's from eight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: is that gonna be a thing.
Speaker 1: We are going to see that? Because ah, the only
Speaker 1: thing that one of the things about Final Fantasy that
Speaker 1: I think is free to admit, and everybody who plays
Speaker 1: it will know this. The iconic vista, the iconic places
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, because it's fifteen disparate worlds.
Speaker 1: Where do you really pull the lands from? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So like the settings are going to be.
Speaker 2: Like the Magic the Gathering Land card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there is no Eisngard forest, There is no
Speaker 1: I can't even think of a Mordor.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, there's some cities. But like somebody who hasn't played six,
Speaker 1: they're gonna open vector and be like, what the hell
Speaker 1: is vector?
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be a city of brass reeskin and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, I can Yeah, they did it.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be there's gonna be one command tower, and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, they did it.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be four command towers I had.
Speaker 2: Oh and they freaking didn't give us fourg Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings, Hey, most expensive universe beyond of all time?
Speaker 2: What kind of cut rate production is that?
Speaker 1: I know? Right, Tolkien States should get on them.
Speaker 2: One hundred dollars one rings. Freaking basics that look like
Speaker 2: maps that don't even join.
Speaker 1: Don't even go together. What a bunch of crap that is?
Speaker 1: That was the biggest miss of all time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that that is gonna be like a big thing
Speaker 1: in Final Fantasy, though, and the characters in a lot
Speaker 1: of cases are so like refined and defined. I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of criticism coming out about
Speaker 1: them because all that's not what that character. Oh man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're not gonna have that conversation because I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be that guy. I'm gonna be happy that
Speaker 1: characters that are some of my favorite things in the
Speaker 1: whole world are on magic cards. I'm gonna be really
Speaker 1: excited about that.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna be those guys, because even though I
Speaker 2: totally knew everything about all the characters that were totally
Speaker 2: coming out, I'm choosing to not be that guy, just
Speaker 2: like Brando see perfect.
Speaker 1: See we got ourselves a good system going on here. Also,
Speaker 1: I was right, rememberhen I told you there was gonna
Speaker 1: be a trained Suplex card. There is a card called
Speaker 1: Suplex and it is Saban from six preparing to supplex
Speaker 1: a train. And I knew it was gonna happen. I
Speaker 1: saw it. I saw it on one of those shall
Speaker 1: we not talk about them sites where people leak them.
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at Final Fantasy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't talk about that. You're gonna ruin somebody's day.
Speaker 2: But that is the thing going to make it so
Speaker 2: we don't get preview cards anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I probably would have given U some shitty.
Speaker 2: No, we never gotten shitty cards. This is a weird episode, but.
Speaker 1: The point we were talking lots of nonsense and talking
Speaker 1: lots of shit. But I think that the set's gonna
Speaker 1: be really, really cool and I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: it the one Again. The only criticism that I have
Speaker 1: and concern that I have for the Magic ecosystem is
Speaker 1: this set so far, as of right now today is
Speaker 1: so goddamned expensive and just like you said, it's going
Speaker 1: to sell out almost.
Speaker 2: Everywhere, at least at some capacity. This is gonna happen
Speaker 2: to a non zero number of times.
Speaker 1: You're gonna walk into a store and I have this, No,
Speaker 1: it's all sold out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and could we get more? Maybe could you go
Speaker 2: to a different vendor at Magic on Las Vegas and
Speaker 2: maybe probably pay more.
Speaker 1: To get it? Sure, but what that sets is a
Speaker 1: bar people are willing to pay this many dollars for Magic.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say specifically, Universe is beyond Magic where
Speaker 1: the next Like I don't know what the next big
Speaker 1: set that's coming up with Marvel. Marvel's the next one.
Speaker 1: You think Final Fantasy's lots of money, you went until
Speaker 1: fucking Marvel starts printing.
Speaker 2: Ship That's why every second sets a final Fantasy set,
Speaker 2: or I mean a universe beyond set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that this is just really ratcheting
Speaker 1: it up. I know that global political climate does impact
Speaker 1: the cost of this one, yeah, especially for us quite
Speaker 1: a bit. But man like, this is a lot, and
Speaker 1: it does set a very i'm gonna say it, I'll say,
Speaker 1: I'll say it, dangerous precedent for all you Marvel fans
Speaker 1: out there that are looking forward to getting your Spider
Speaker 1: Man and your X Men and your what's another Marvel
Speaker 1: spider Man's Hulk, Iron Iron Man's Avengers. There we go, Yes, Thunderbolts,
Speaker 1: the New Avengers. Everybody loves that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like the It's like the Minutemen and
Speaker 2: the Watchman. It's like they fricking ripped off Alan Moore
Speaker 2: or whatever his name is. It's just me, just me,
Speaker 2: just me, the only one.
Speaker 1: That thought of that. Yes, although I do love the Watchman,
Speaker 1: that should be No, that couldn't be a secret war hey,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, could what would Rorshak do, tap, throw pot,
Speaker 1: grease in your opponent's face, you win the game?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What would what would doctor Manhattan do? Snap his
Speaker 2: fingers show you a Wiener would just get exploded? Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Flop Wiener on table, create life on Mars. That would
Speaker 1: be the craziest set.
Speaker 2: Hey, oh my god, yeah there is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See Gary's got the lingo down. He's perfect. It's
Speaker 1: been a weird episode.
Speaker 2: It's a weird episode.
Speaker 1: The point is, I am exceptionally excited to not just
Speaker 1: get these cards and for everybody else to get them,
Speaker 1: to play with them. But I'm looking forward to going
Speaker 1: on the journey with Gary, who's interested in magic and
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy, to see how he reacts to.
Speaker 2: A magic curious? Yes, is he blue Wiener? Curious?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who wouldn't be my did glued on the dark?
Speaker 1: I'd show to everybody. Yeah, couldn't keep it in my pants.
Speaker 1: So now you know that my I don't have a
Speaker 1: PHOSPHORX and penis. And I'm excited to explain all this
Speaker 1: stuff to you because it's very rare that something in
Speaker 1: magic comes along where I know so much more about
Speaker 1: it than Ryan. It makes him look like a goon
Speaker 1: and he's gonna go, Man, I'm so clueless and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I'm justna be sitting here.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, flexing what knowledge.
Speaker 1: I'm such a nerd.
Speaker 2: I do like to goon.
Speaker 1: See I'm gonna throw that off there on the Internet.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited if I had, if I had a criticism.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Hey, I don't know about what all these characters do,
Speaker 2: despite you know, you thinking that I do because I
Speaker 2: told you that, I.
Speaker 1: Right, because you told me, and I have no reason not.
Speaker 2: To believe exactly. That's the Internet. I don't know what
Speaker 2: they do, and it's hard in magic. It's both hard
Speaker 2: and easy in magic to demonstrate, for example, what a
Speaker 2: color does red, haste, passion, fast, what the yeah? Green,
Speaker 2: big dumb, stompy trample step on you win, black, death,
Speaker 2: white soldier, Blue, smarter than you Yeah, yeah, especially blue.
Speaker 2: When you start to combine colors and you start to
Speaker 2: have characters that have complex backstories and emotions, and you
Speaker 2: try to tailor and fit that together with magic, there's
Speaker 2: only so many times where your red blue creature can
Speaker 2: have flying in haste before it's kind of boring or something.
Speaker 1: When you cast an instant resource.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and or at some point it's like this blue
Speaker 2: red flying Haste isn't a two to two for two,
Speaker 2: it's a three to two for two, or a four
Speaker 2: to four for three, or a five to five for four.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's just power creeping. Like the raw stats.
Speaker 1: You just they just take creatures that are already there,
Speaker 1: it's popular, and just make them better and flap slap
Speaker 1: with the final fantasy skin on it. Flap a skin
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do not google that, do not fapyr phosphorescent blueskin.
Speaker 1: It's a weird episode.
Speaker 2: There's only so many times you can do that before
Speaker 2: magic becomes like the same kind of thing, but with
Speaker 2: power creep over and over again. See you gil Now
Speaker 2: when you take a character and it's like, oh, blue
Speaker 2: and red and it's got flying in haste, because of
Speaker 2: course does in this example, let's put one hundred lines
Speaker 2: of text on it to exactly recreate fiddling with dice
Speaker 2: and choosing and flipping coins and giving each other rusty
Speaker 2: trom Joneses and all of these things, because that's the
Speaker 2: flavor of it. That's the flavor. This is exactly what
Speaker 2: it does in the game. I'm sure but it's got
Speaker 2: a hundred words on it, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's like a game of Commander is like listening to
Speaker 2: somebody's dissertation. And it's like, man, when did magic turn
Speaker 2: in into literally sitting there dungeons and dragons and reading
Speaker 2: a novel instead of actually attacking with creatures and casting
Speaker 2: combat tricks. And that's just a game complexity thing. It's
Speaker 2: just a a depth and breadth and let's keep it
Speaker 2: interesting thing. And it is what modern magic is.
Speaker 1: It's gonna get to the point where people are gonna
Speaker 1: start reading their cards and after you sat there, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna stop you. I'm just gonna terminate that thing,
Speaker 1: so you'd have to stop reading it. I just want
Speaker 1: to hear your voice anymore. I'm gonna kill that.
Speaker 2: And you know what it's It's an observation, that's what
Speaker 2: it is. It's not a criticism. It's like saying people
Speaker 2: are busier than they used to be.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: People are just busier because we have a capacity for
Speaker 2: more information at a higher rate. We have cell phones
Speaker 2: now that are calculators in our pocket. We don't need
Speaker 2: to use an abacus or count on our fingers and
Speaker 2: toes I still do. Yeah, while you were born before
Speaker 2: the avocust was invented.
Speaker 1: I helped. I helped. That was a good day. That
Speaker 1: was a good day.
Speaker 2: We have the capacity to be busier and magic is
Speaker 2: the same thing. We have the capacity to look up
Speaker 2: card rulings. We have the capacity to look at dh rec.
Speaker 2: We have content, we have scryfall that just tells us
Speaker 2: the ruling. We have companion app and judge help stuff
Speaker 2: right on our phone so we can manage all of these.
Speaker 2: We've got pre cons that come out of the box
Speaker 2: and fucking rip.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, these ones will do that.
Speaker 2: We've got Oh yeah, they will. We'll talk about that
Speaker 2: on the pre con review. Oh yeah. We have the
Speaker 2: capacity for these to be hyper complex and give us
Speaker 2: kind of the depth and the complexity that Final Fantasy
Speaker 2: is known for.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's like they just lean into it. And I'm
Speaker 2: just observing that, and I hope that it's not like
Speaker 2: like rad Counters from Fuck and rad Counters Powerful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they mill you and they do damage or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they do.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what they do, but I know
Speaker 2: that I like it, and I know that it's good.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what it is, so I'm just
Speaker 2: observing that.
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be a good one, and
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna lean more towards the complexity side
Speaker 1: than actually encompassing the minutia, which I know what complexity
Speaker 1: and minushul usually go together. But I feel like we're
Speaker 1: just gonna get a bunch of complex game pieces that
Speaker 1: maybe don't necessarily represent the characters in the game to
Speaker 1: the level that people are gonna want, but they're still
Speaker 1: gonna be cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that's the balancing act. If you're
Speaker 2: a designer or like a game player, like you want complexity.
Speaker 2: You don't want just a bunch of one ones attacking
Speaker 2: each other for one and blocking, and whoever draws the
Speaker 2: most number of not land cards is the winner.
Speaker 1: Whoever draws the first two to two is the winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want that. Then it's just literally war
Speaker 2: with like bicycle deck cards like spades and clubs and diamonds.
Speaker 2: It's like playing dominoes. As long as you can do math,
Speaker 2: you can maybe win if you draw a bunch of
Speaker 2: good stuff. Right. I want it to be complex, Yes,
Speaker 2: I just don' want to be a dissertation.
Speaker 1: Oh I agree with that. Oh man, I actually went through.
Speaker 1: Here's how big a nerd I am. Because I like
Speaker 1: six so much. I went through in my brain and
Speaker 1: I made a card for each one of the main
Speaker 1: characters in my head. Yeah, all fourteen of them, and
Speaker 1: the two that have come out nowhere close to what
Speaker 1: I would I would have done.
Speaker 2: But you can't remember somebody's name you met yesterday.
Speaker 1: I haven't had the amount of experience with somebody that
Speaker 1: I met yesterday as I have with the characters in
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy six.
Speaker 2: I can't argue with that.
Speaker 1: Which is a great deal.
Speaker 2: That is that is something a nerd would say.
Speaker 1: I've been playing Final Fantasy six longer than our studio
Speaker 1: guest Noah has been alive.
Speaker 2: Wow, why a lot. He's like he's born two years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh six, oh six oh six.
Speaker 2: Your birthday starts with a two.
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Speaker 1: twitching his foot over there. That's all I can see.
Speaker 2: You got to say thank you to the patrons that
Speaker 2: we're going to see in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna start yelling thank you to the patrons
Speaker 1: we're going to see in Vegas. The house is booked,
Speaker 1: My flights are there. Ryan will get one as well.
Speaker 1: We're really looking forward to that. I want to be
Speaker 1: in that Vegas sun so bad, making my feelings hurt.
Speaker 2: I told you the house has a RC race car track.
Speaker 1: Sure did.
Speaker 2: No cars though we can. We can cross that go through.
Speaker 1: That tunnel when we get there. Bring our Sea cards
Speaker 1: if your local, we'll drive them around in the backyard.
Speaker 1: It'll be sick, and we'll talk more about that final
Speaker 1: fantasy magic in general, and all sorts of super fun
Speaker 1: lifestuff on the next exciting episode of Commander Cook Cout
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