Speaker 1: Nice college slate tomorrow, good stuff on Sunday. We'll hit
all that with our executive here. Just We talked about
food early in that first segment, but this man knows
a thing or two I guess about fine dining too,
Especially it's Allegiant Stadium. The one only John Murray joins
us now, the VP here at the super book as
we go behind the counter with him, or should I
say we go behind the table with John Murray? How
was your Monday night, buddy?
Speaker 2: Not much of a game? Yeah, I mean, what did
you guys think of that game?
Speaker 3: The Raiders looked like high schoolers trying to tackle George Pickens,
but we were luckily enough. I got invited in the Westgate
suite and we had some of our VIP players out there.
Speaker 2: The food and drink made up for the game I
was working. I had a beer, some of our guests
set a few more than a beer, and the food
was amazing.
Speaker 3: The food spread at Allegiant Stadium was just off the charts,
off the charts.
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen the King Crab concession stand? I've
missed it. I've been to Legion for several events, but
I have yet to see the because.
Speaker 1: Because when he was eating didn't come from the concourse
stamp that.
Speaker 2: You get up.
Speaker 3: But when you get up on that level, what you
get is it's it's cool. Because you've got different restaurants
from around the valley. They they showcase their food and
in a lot of cases, the chef himself or herself
will be there standing right there telling you what it is.
Speaker 2: The only, uh, the only.
Speaker 3: Downside of the game, other than the game being awful,
the other downside of the game was I was in
our box and the box to my left, I saw
a couple of Raider greats.
Speaker 2: Go in there. Jay Schrader was.
Speaker 3: In the box to my left, and I was I
was sitting next to our general manager, Cammy Christensen, and I.
Speaker 2: Go, that's Jay Schrader. I know, Jay, that'd be great.
I'll introduce you. And then he skipped over our box.
Your greats didn't come into the Westgate box. Well what
happened there?
Speaker 1: You gotta notified me, buddy. Yeah. I would have lined
it up for it.
Speaker 2: I would have looked cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would NFL quarterble. I hope, I
hope you told Cammy that's you know. Courtesy of the
TC Martin is a good point.
Speaker 3: So I said that we that you know, Jays is
a regular guest on TC Martin, So am I here?
You know I actually did say that, and Marco D'Angelo
and Marco D'Angel, you know, Allegiance Stadium is I will
say this. I grew up going to Redskins games as
a very young kid at RFK Stadium and then of
course at what was then called FedEx Field they called some.
Speaker 2: Other stupid name. Now, going to a game in an
Allegiance Stadium in the suite is not like that. It's
a very different.
Speaker 1: Food is totally different than it's also freezing cold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the bathrooms are filthy.
Speaker 2: Uh. Going at Allegiance Stadium is a very different experience.
Speaker 1: So you talk about the food there, and if you
ever go down to the field level where for the
season ticket holders the vip R, that food is very
good too. I can't didn't we go in there? When
didn't I take you in there? When you went for
the food is it's identical. It's identical. And they'll put
out the spread. I mean you're talking. You know, you're
getting the steaks, you're getting the prime rib. They even
had wag the last time I was down there. So
they they do it well, and so where John was sitting.
Now here's a funny story. So we go up to
the media, right and you know in the media has
their food and don't get me wrong, it's it's okay,
it's not what what that VIP area is or what
John was having. Right. So guy gets in and he's
got this two like here's one or two pizzas from
Pizza Rock, all right, and we had to stop there
on the one fifty level whatever said, and the guy
says uh, And everybody's going, oh boy, that's pretty good.
Smells pretty good. They go, yeah, taking this to Mark
Davis's sweet really, So Mark is bypassing wow, yeah, and
he's living on the pizza.
Speaker 4: He wants to go to Pizza Up is pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have that's a pretty simple guy though. He
likes the steaks and stuff. But you know, it's like
they give you that pizza different.
Speaker 2: The game, Well, what do you you know?
Speaker 3: What do you what do you think exactly about the
Raiders current plan? Because I'm watching the game and I
know Gent he's a good player and Bowers is a
really good player.
Speaker 2: But if you're the Raiders and you've got that roster.
Speaker 3: You can't be using a top ten draft pick on
a tight end and another top ten draft pick.
Speaker 2: On a running back. They've got bigger holes to fill.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: I said this.
Speaker 3: I did a show yesterday with Marco's friend Kelly in Vegas,
and Marco and her are very close, and I just said,
this team needs to get serious, man. They need to
get serious about building a roster the correct way. And
when you have holes all over the field, you don't
use a top ten pick on a running back.
Speaker 1: Hey, we said this over and over that you don't
pick that running back. Especially I agree, coming from Boise State,
come from the mount West. You can't name me the
last high profile you know, Bell cow Near Hall of
Fame running back that came out of the Mountain West.
But at number six, you can't do it when you
need help on the offensive line. Now, the reason why
they probably didn't go to the offensive line because the
top tackle or two was not there. You don't want
to waste it on a center or guard. I get that,
but there are so many things we had talked about
that after the draft, and we're talking about now and
then now you're looking at the pass run ratio of
forty two passes last week to eight. Okay, so that's
an issue. So my opinion of this and is that
you've got so much turnal turnover in this front office
and the coaching staff. Think about it, John five coaches
since they relocated here since twenty twenty three general managers
and two presidents. Not even the Carolina Panthers can match that, okay, nobody.
And Steve Burline was with him because he was broadcasting
the Cowboys game and we were sitting there talking with
some of the Cowboys people and they're trying to say, Okay,
what are we gonna get tonight. They talk to him
after the game and this and that, and they go, hey,
we're all high again. And Berlin goes, consider the source, though,
who you beat tonight before you start getting excited, Because
the Cowboys got the Eagles and the Chiefs on Thanksgiving
and then the Lions and this and that, And I said,
you know, guys, this could be, in my opinion, the
worst roster in all the NFL. I mean, yes, Tennessee's
bad Carolina to a certain degree. I'll take Carolina's quarterback
over the Raiders right now. But I think that there's
such a problem here with the hierarchy. Why you're having
these issues because you have so many gms this and
now you bring in a guy like Pete Carroll and
he clearly deferred last week to Chip Kelly because in
the postgame press conference, Pete Carroll says, I understand the
run pass ratio, and he goes, I was influenced, you know,
you know by what was happening. Wait, wait, he's influenced.
What does that tell you? That's all Chip Kelly, of course, right.
And then now spy techs here. So you got a
spy Tech vision, you got a Peak vision, and you
got a chip vision here. This is the This is
my opinion, what the problem is.
Speaker 2: You got to get everybody on the same page. You
got it.
Speaker 3: And I say this because it was astonishing to see
that crowd and Marco is telling me that the cheapest
price to get in was eleven hundred bucks set upstairs.
And I know it's because of the Cowboys. I get that,
But imagine if the Raiders were good. Imagine if the
Raiders were doing what New England is doing this season,
or what Denver is doing this season. Fill in any
team you want think about how big that would be
for this city, this town. They I really would like
to see the Raiders get serious. And they are an
unseerious organization.
Speaker 4: There's no direction, There's no question about that. And you
compared him to being the worst roster and you said
even worse than Tennessee. Least Tennessee went out and drafted
a quarterback. Yeah, we don't know if it's gonna be
a good draft choice or not, but you least have
some kind of hope for the future. You came in
with the Yeah, you came in with a retread. What
what is your end game? How far did you think
you were gonna go with Geno Smith?
Speaker 2: It just two more years of Geno Smith? Markle Well,
they gave a three year deal.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know they can get out of the deals,
but there's no there's no direction there. Like he said,
they don't know what they're doing. And I just I
consider them a very unseerious organization right now. And I
think it's it's a bummer for the city.
Speaker 1: It's now that they're un serious. They believe that they're
making the right music. I mean, you get a guy
like Pete Carroll and most most teams would killed to
have a Pete Carroll. But again, what's the existing roster
he's taking over? Just terrible. I mean, you just you
said one of the guys, all right. They have two
above average players, Max Crosby on the defensive side of
the ball and Brought Bowers, and that's it. There's no
one else that is even above average, right, I mean
not that I know. That is hence why I say
it is one of the two three worst rosters in
all football. You're not gonna win with that roster.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Carolina's roster is much better than the Raiders.
Speaker 1: There you go, so it is the worst roster Carolina, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: I think Carolina's got a few players out there.
Speaker 4: They never rebounded from the unfortunate incident of having to
let John Gruden go.
Speaker 3: They never rebounded. I would say that they never rebounded
from trading John Gruden in two thousand and one. Okay,
the organization has never been the same since then.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 3: It looked like they were on the right track when
they hired John Gruden.
Speaker 2: And I think Marco is exactly right.
Speaker 3: I actually said that to the people I was sitting
with on Monday night. No doubt they've never recovered from
losing John Gruden no either time exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's look ahead to Sunday's game, a battle of
two and eight teams, Raiders and the Browns. And I
know a person last night that said he couldn't give
away his tickets for this game. You're talking about the
eleven hundred dollars true story. I mean, who really wants
to go to this game unless hey come to the
game enjoying. We've got some TVs that maybe we could
switch the TVs in the suite to eat some of
John Murray shrimp or something like that. That's only reason
you would go to this game on a one oh
five when you got other quality games at one twenty five.
But anyway, with all that being said, Shader Sanders getting
his first professional start, what are you seeing from a
betting perspective? Or are you even seeing action on this game?
Because usually we will say, well if the Panthers are
playing the Browns or in these games like no action whatsoever?
How is this playing out at the window?
Speaker 2: Well, those shrimp are pretty exclusive. We're not gonna give
those away. Yeah, I started that. I would say surprised.
Speaker 3: Me at least Sharp guys betting the Raiders, and we've
seen the Raiders move from three to four. I don't
know if that's because Shador Sanders is starting for Cleveland.
Maybe it is a little bit. I saw a little
bit of him on Sunday. He's doing what a lot
of young quarterbacks do, which is when the first read
is not there, he's ducking his head and it's like,
no way, man, you got to keep looking around. He
just that guy's covered, oh boy, and he just ducks
his head and starts trying to scramble out of there.
Speaker 2: That's not going to work in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And if he does that on Sunday, Raiders might be
three and eight come Monday.
Speaker 1: We're not. From the total perspective, thirty six and a half,
the conventional wisdom says, I mean Cleveland's defense is so
rock solid. I'm just fearful, Like, okay, they're two in eight.
They continue to lose, you know, you know, because defense
is all about passion and fire and emotion, and you know,
at what point do you say, you know, wow, this
this season's over. I start looking at the Bahamas coming
up here in January, you know, I mean, this has
doesn't have thirteen to nine written all over it.
Speaker 3: Though, Well, that's what you saw out of the Raiders
secondary on Monday night, you know, very lack of days
ago efforts to tackle the receivers of Dallas. If that's
what you're gonna get. I mean, it's possible. But one
thing that could one thing that could push.
Speaker 2: A total like this over.
Speaker 3: The total is so low, and you've got a rock
solid Cleveland defense that might be able to force turnovers,
and you've got a quarterback for Cleveland that might be
in the mood to give a few turnovers away and
that could lead to it to some points.
Speaker 1: Margre.
Speaker 4: You know, there's no question about that. And when you
have teams at the end of the season like this
where I look at do end game wagering, because if
you have a team like that and one thing goes bad,
that's when it'll spiral out of control. They could throw
it in in a hurry. But as far as Sanders goes, you,
a quarterback couldn't have looked any worse than he looked
when he came in last week. Yes, but in fairness
to him, he's never been a great prep guy. Okay,
that's been one of the knocks on him. And if
you're not expected to start, how much work you really
think this guy in focus had coming into that game.
It's gonna be a different story this week. This is
his maybe one and only chance to make a mark
in the NFL, to show that he's worth something. He's
gonna get all the first string snaps this week. He's
gonna have a game plan that's devised for him, not
Dylan Gabriel when you came in. I trust the defense
of Cleveland. I don't trust the offense of the Raiders.
We saw what the Raiders weren't able to do against
one of the worst defenses last week, and everybody's making
a big deal. Well, Dallas just got Williams. You know
that instantly improved the defense.
Speaker 1: Just stop.
Speaker 4: Okay, it was the ineptness of the Raiders. Not that
much of an improvement on the Dallas defense. If he
just doesn't make mistakes, I think the defense can carry them.
And I've always been a proponent if I have the
better defense getting points, That's where I'm going to start
my handicap. And that's clearly with Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Okay, no doubt about that, Yeah, no doubt. And Gino
Smith is not exactly lighting the world terable all day.
Speaker 3: But Gino Smith, my fellow mountaineer, pains me to say it,
but he's not playing well.
Speaker 1: Let me pose a question to you guys, and this
kind of translates maybe into the betting as well too,
But how do you feel as we are now eleven
twelve weeks into this season where we're talking every week
about Kansas City and Buffalo and Baltimore could maybe even
miss the playoffs, which I still think is kind of
highly unlikely. But the Chiefs are a five hundred team
right now. Do you prefer to see are these teams
struggle or are you more inclined to like we're either
rooting for the New England's and the Denvers and these
younger quarterbacks of the world, or do you want to
see Patrick Mahomes and josh Allen Lamar Jackson get it
together because you think it's gonna be a better brand
of postseason football, because for the first time in a
long time, we're talking about New England and based you know,
a young quarterback in Drake may Bow Nix and Denver
all Right throwing the Chicago Bears. On the NFC side,
we're seeing teams traditionally at the bottom, and now all
of a sudden they are at the top and they're
in control of their own destinacy, destiny. What do you
prefer to see here?
Speaker 3: I think it's great in the AFC, I think, And
what I like about it is, let's like you mentioned
New England and Denver. Let's say they win their respective divisions,
which it looks like they will. Now Josh Allen and
Patrick Mahomes are gonna have to go on the road,
and it's gonna set up really from the start of
the AFC playoffs great matchups, and I don't know, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's more interesting, okay, And then are.
Speaker 3: They going to be able to fight their way through
those games to get back to where they're facing each other?
I don't know, because I think Buffalo is a lousy
football team. I don't like their coach, Their defense is lousy.
They just have this one guy who happens to be
their quarterback, which is the most important position, and I
think he is the best player in the league and
arrest of the team I think is pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Can he overcome I mean, I hope.
Speaker 3: We'd agree that New England and Denver have significantly better
rosters than Buffalo.
Speaker 2: I think they do.
Speaker 3: Can he overcome that on the road in the playoffs?
I think is a very interesting storyline. Same thing with Mahomes.
Can Mahomes win three road playoff games and get back
to his million Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: I think he could, But Willie, I don't know. I
think it's interesting.
Speaker 4: New England is the story and I think New England is.
Speaker 1: For real.
Speaker 4: People keep waiting for them to make the step back.
Drake May is playing good football and they play sound defense,
and what you know they've done, you know, with you know,
the head coach coming in from Tennessee and getting what
he's done in one year, it's incredible. But I'm gonna
spin in this back a second. And you're saying the
teams that you know, we're accustomed to seeing, and we
talked about it last segment. It's Baltimore, It's Buffalo, It's
Kansas City. Right now, Kansas City and Buffalo, neither one
of them have a road to the playoffs at home.
They've got to go on the road. Baltimore is the
one team of that trio that I'm gonna still beat
this till the finish line. They're gonna win the AFC
North and they're gonna have a home game and then
when they go on the road, they're gonna be the
experienced team playing one of these upstarts Denver or New England,
which if they get healthy and get this fixed in
the last week, what they do. They threw in a
clunker against Cleveland where they looking past Cleveland they should
and that's one of your division rivals. It always plays,
you know, one of the two games tough every year.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with Baltimore, though, I'm gonna say what
John said about Buffalo. I don't I don't think the
Buffalo roster is that as bad as you do. They
still have some talent, like you said, Josh Allen, but
Josh Allen can go south in a heartbeat for a
couple of plays. And we saw and we saw it,
we saw it last night, right and I don't think
I think Baltimore is in that same vein Eve when
you look at that roster, okay, before you could say
Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry and you start there, and
neither one of those guys is at the level that
we want to see. Derek Henry has been non functional
for them for the most part, and Jackson clearly is injured,
and I think this injury is lingering and will continue
to linger if he doesn't, you know, rest anymore. So
I think that Buffalo and Baltimore are all question marks
since Kansas City I think has the best roster and
anything they've added to that roster, and they've had some
unfortunate losses like the game last week where if it
wasn't for Mahomes' interceptions and the penalties, they probably beat
Denver last week. So you know, I still think that
those three teams can be very, very good. And that
narrative about bo Nix and Drake may what are they
gonna do even if they have home field advantage, what
are they going to do against the upper Chelalont opponent,
Because for the most part, like New England, has not
played a real tough schedule. Still, it's a good story.
It's cool, you know. So I don't know. And then
on the flip side over the NFC, you got the Eagles,
and everyone's bad mouth in the Eagles, and I know,
but they continue to win. They win ugly.
Speaker 2: They're a tough watch.
Speaker 1: They're a tough watch, but they're tough defensively, too. Look
what they did Detroit defensively.
Speaker 2: They're more than tough defensively. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know, I was asked this week by Fox
Sports to power rate the teams, and I had Philly.
I had Philly just below the Rams one and two.
You know, I just think they're tough to watch. They
don't really play a brand of football that if you
neutral and you didn't have money on them, that you'd
enjoy watching. But they're they're front four defensively, and their
offensive line. You know, they're the best NFL team in
the trenches without a doubt.
Speaker 4: The Kansas City last year.
Speaker 1: Real quick, where's the money going to the NFL side
for Sunday and Monday.
Speaker 3: We took a little bit of money on Dallas. Dallas
this morning, we're down to three on that game. Monday
night is getting a lot of steam. They laid six
six and a half seven San Francisco at home against Carolina.
Carolina could be in first place on Monday on Tuesday morning.
If the Rams beat the Bucks, which they probably will
according to the point spread, and they spring and upset
they be in Carolina, they would be in first place
in the NFC South Tuesday morning.
Speaker 2: That's kind of shocking.
Speaker 3: I think I'd say those two New Orleans got some
sharp money against Atlanta. That's a dut of a game, right, Yeah,
And Arizona got a little bit of sharp money. They're
home against Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, appreciate the time as all is. John
great stuff, all right, and then John will not be
with us next week because he's going to be, you know,
living the life of luxury this time down in San Diego.
Speaker 3: I'll be at del Mar losing all my money, and
I don't even honestly, it doesn't even bother me, totally
unfazed by the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's just money. It's rather be at del Mar.
Speaker 1: He wants to look, you know, where the surf meets
the turf.
Speaker 2: Baby, of course, I always always want to be there.
Speaker 1: All right, Go get yourself a Tanner's Burger. Tanner's no, no,
it's it's the burger of all burger. Is there del Mar.
Go upstairs, go get it, and you're probably gonna be
a long line. I don't know if you're gonna have
the VIP bougie booths, but have your server. Go get it.
We got a Tanner got a situation at del Mar
you got a situation.
Speaker 2: We're well taken care of by the fine folks.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you probably Okay, I'm just saying's.
Speaker 4: First Mom's first visit.
Speaker 2: Mom's never been there.
Speaker 4: She get her hat. You gotta get her fancy hat.
Speaker 2: Whatever she wants. We'll get her whatever she wants.
Speaker 1: Hey, Mom, bring your wallet.
Speaker 3: After the third race, I might u yeah, true, I
might even have to be hey this time, That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2: See what happens in race.
Speaker 3: Number two there, mam, maybe we'll be able to get
a Tanner's Burger.
Speaker 1: You'll love that Tarnsburger. Appreciate John Murray for joining us,
Have a happy Thanksgiving and enjoy your trip next weekend. Brother.
Thank you guys, John Murray behind the counter with him.
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