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Speaker 3: right justin want to reintroduce yourself to the. World, yes good.
Speaker 3: Afternoon my name Is Justin.
Speaker 5: LEWIS i am An army veteran from the first Combat Aviation,
Speaker 5: Brigade First Infantry division out Of Fort, Riley. Kansas And
Speaker 5: i'm a staff member At Camp hope now for the
Speaker 5: past four. Years AND i Graduated Camp hope In april
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty, one and so this is my graduation
Speaker 5: month and my four years of working At Camp.
Speaker 3: Hope AND i love WHAT i.
Speaker 5: DO i love everything About Camp hope and THE Ptsd
Speaker 5: foundation Of. America i'm From, Houston, texas.
Speaker 3: And congratulations four. Years that's. Awesome Fort, riley that's got
Speaker 3: to be one of the the not top ten places
Speaker 3: anybody wants to, go, Right that's What that's what most
Speaker 3: people told me WHEN i was In. Korea that was
Speaker 3: my first duty station.
Speaker 5: With korea in two thousand and, five two thousand and,
Speaker 5: six AND i had got orders BECAUSE i didn't. DECIDE
Speaker 5: i didn't really move fast enough on DECIDING i want
Speaker 5: to go To Fort benning OR i want to go To.
Speaker 3: Hawaii that's what a lot of people are say In.
Speaker 5: Hawaii, yes twenty FIFTH id was out, there and that's
Speaker 5: what a lot of people like to go out there
Speaker 5: because Of. Hawaii BUT i didn't do that fast, enough
Speaker 5: and THEY i got orders For, Raley, kansas and they
Speaker 5: were telling.
Speaker 3: Me, oh, man but coming from a long were you?
Speaker 5: THERE i was there two thousand and six all the
Speaker 5: way until twenty eleven WHEN i got an honorable discharge
Speaker 5: out of the.
Speaker 3: Army but most of the TIME i was In.
Speaker 5: Iraq though most of the TIME i was we were
Speaker 5: getting ready to deploy or we were deployed WHILE i was.
Speaker 5: There but the TIMES i, wasn't it was it was
Speaker 5: okay because you, know most of my families From, arkansas
Speaker 5: and being from the, CITY i kind of liked to
Speaker 5: get out of the city a lot of, times and just.
Speaker 3: Being out of the, city not a lot of entertainment
Speaker 3: choices around, there not really not, really you, know you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i LIKE, Nascar so we went to we got
Speaker 3: a chance to go to The Kansas Motor, Speedways so
Speaker 3: there you. Go that was very cool to do that
Speaker 3: In Kansas. City you have pretty good. Barbecue, yeah you're
Speaker 3: not too far From, kansas not too. Far, yeah Although
Speaker 3: i'm not sure about their. BARBECUE i guess it.
Speaker 2: Was it was.
Speaker 3: Edible, yeah put enough sauce on, it you can eat. It,
Speaker 3: yes that's. Funny, Yeah i'm glad to have you back
Speaker 3: In houston with the barbecues. Definitely, YEAH i don't have
Speaker 3: to have sauce to eat, it, right you're right about.
Speaker 3: That we also have a veteran that's in our program
Speaker 3: currently At Camp, hope which is our interim residential program
Speaker 3: for veterans dealing with combat related TO. Ptsd want a quick.
Speaker 3: Introduction who you, are where you're.
Speaker 4: From, yeah my Name's Benny saban From, Hayward. Wisconsin it
Speaker 4: was with The United States navy boord the USS Cre
Speaker 4: sarge and also did two years with The Army National
Speaker 4: guard out Of heyward seven twenty Fourth Fordsport.
Speaker 3: Company we've had a few guys that have done multiple.
Speaker 3: Branches it's been in a while so as we've had
Speaker 3: one on the, show so good to get into that
Speaker 3: a little. Bit where are you?
Speaker 2: From Originally, Hayward, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: WISCONSIN i hear a little bit of that. There, yeah
Speaker 3: just a Little.
Speaker 2: Yeah we talked to our nose every now and.
Speaker 3: Then it's the accent, though it. Cancer, yeah it's like la. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah we were talking earlier and getting to know you
Speaker 3: tell me about the different lakes up, there and it
Speaker 3: was a pretty good. Conversation it's too, cold it's too
Speaker 3: hot In. Texas, SEE i will take the heat over the,
Speaker 3: cold and the heat's. Uncomfortable cold hurts the older you. Get,
Speaker 3: yeah you'll figure it out sooner or. Later all, right
Speaker 3: we'll get into a little bit of his story and
Speaker 3: a little more adjustins as we go along the. Way
Speaker 3: this Is road To, hope, right we'll be right.
Speaker 1: Back who drops the crowd and the place so, loud,
Speaker 1: baby it's, like get.
Speaker 3: Out, man and we welcome you back To road To Hope.
Speaker 3: Radio glad to have you. Along god JUSTIN I State's ARMY.
Speaker 3: Vet four years Of Camp. Hope that's, awesome, Man that
Speaker 3: just that makes me, happy just makes me and to
Speaker 3: think of all the change that's transpired in your. Life H,
Speaker 3: yeah it's just it's a reminder it can work if
Speaker 3: you work it just, Sir, YEAH i JUST i worked over.
Speaker 3: Weekend do to you this.
Speaker 5: Weekend it's like everything happened according to How god wants
Speaker 5: it to. Happen AND i think that's the biggest THING
Speaker 5: i had to, understand and coming To Camp hope helped
Speaker 5: me understand.
Speaker 3: That like. ACCEPTANCE i didn't even realize THAT i was
Speaker 3: the way THAT i was UNTIL i got The Camp.
Speaker 3: Hope like talking to counselors about fear and this fear
Speaker 3: based and as you're trying to control. SITUATION i was,
Speaker 3: LIKE i THOUGHT i was far from. That but THEN
Speaker 3: i started.
Speaker 5: Realizing more THAN i need to give up the control
Speaker 5: and trust in The. Lord and in the past four
Speaker 5: years a lot has.
Speaker 3: Happened, yeah very positive changes In justin's. Life it's. Outstanding
Speaker 3: happy for. You we've also got Ben United States navy
Speaker 3: And United States army veteran uh So wisconsin where it's
Speaker 3: way too. Cold we've already established. That did you go
Speaker 3: into The navy right out of high school or was?
Speaker 4: There, yeah we started the process WHILE i was a,
Speaker 4: senior directly after nine to, eleven and then it.
Speaker 3: Was a nine to eleven kind of a motivator for
Speaker 3: that or not really quite a.
Speaker 4: Bit AND i wasn't sure about college at the. Time
Speaker 4: that's the next best bat BEFORE i got in too much.
Speaker 4: Trouble that can, happen you know that age. Happen no clear.
Speaker 4: Direction why did you choose The? Navy, actually my grandfather
Speaker 4: was Uh, navy SO i followed in his. Footsteps, really
Speaker 4: he was In World War? Two, okay do you don't
Speaker 4: know where he? SERVED i DON'T i know he was cook.
Speaker 4: Nice he Was atlantic, side so he's east. Back he
Speaker 4: never had any combat or any submarine problems.
Speaker 2: Or anything like. That that's about ALL i. Know, yeah
Speaker 2: he didn't talk much about.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't none of them ever. Did, yeah it wasn't
Speaker 3: there a, thing all. Right so you served how four?
Speaker 4: Years four Years navy and THEN i got out AND
Speaker 4: i was actually roughly nine months LATER i was recalled
Speaker 4: by The, navy BUT i found out about The Bludha green.
Speaker 4: PROGRAM i didn't want to go back because WHILE i
Speaker 4: was in The, NAVY i was doing a lot of
Speaker 4: search and seizures when we were In columbia and things like,
Speaker 4: that drug, Raides SO i kind of wanted to stay
Speaker 4: in them. Lines BUT i knew IF i went back
Speaker 4: there just bring me back to be an elevator. Electrician
Speaker 4: SO i switched to The, army which is blue to,
Speaker 4: green and they made me a water purification.
Speaker 3: Specialist that sounds. Fun oh, yeah that was.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah so where all were you? Deployed you Mentioned columbia
Speaker 3: during The, Navy.
Speaker 4: SO i was, Golf, Iraq, Maraine, panama did a little
Speaker 4: bit of Around, africa was never in, country and then
Speaker 4: north Of South america in The, atlantic So, Columbia, cuba
Speaker 4: and then we did a lot of search and seizure
Speaker 4: in The gulf Of.
Speaker 3: Mexico up, north doing the same thing in the. Right.
Speaker 4: Uh, no In iraq weate part Of Assault, division so
Speaker 4: we were deploying marines.
Speaker 2: Music?
Speaker 3: Gotcha, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah all, right, Okay and so
Speaker 3: you were out a couple of years before you joined the.
Speaker 4: Army, uh it was roughly roughly nine, MONTHS i can't.
Speaker 4: Exactly and THEN i got the recall. Letter so THEN
Speaker 4: i had another three month process of getting into The
Speaker 4: army and a second boot, camp which is.
Speaker 3: Wonderful you weren't as young the second. Time all. Right
Speaker 3: did you feel the? DIFFERENCE i can. Imagine, YEAH i
Speaker 3: was very.
Speaker 2: Different.
Speaker 3: Uh and where'd you deploy in The?
Speaker 4: ARMY i actually never deployed with. THEM i did help
Speaker 4: with all their workups and things of that nature BECAUSE
Speaker 4: i was only.
Speaker 2: Doing one year. Contracts.
Speaker 4: Gotcha and we were about to, deploy BUT i found
Speaker 4: OUT i was having a little, girl SO i decided
Speaker 4: not to extend my.
Speaker 2: Contract that's WHEN i ended my military. Career got you?
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Speaker 3: Thing it's a lot of fun goes the party goes
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Speaker 3: David malsby, here glad to have you. Along all, Right,
Speaker 3: ben here's the question of the. Day are you ready
Speaker 3: have crawlfish in wisconsinish.
Speaker 4: All lobsters and you all got mug bugs down?
Speaker 2: Here we?
Speaker 3: Do, yeah we eat the claw meat on. Ours, okay all,
Speaker 3: right very? Nice, yes makes. SENSE i like. IT i
Speaker 3: presume you're a. CHEESEHEAD i.
Speaker 2: Am.
Speaker 3: YEAH i was afraid of. THAT i almost didn't ask
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i assumed you were going to say. Yes, well
Speaker 3: we have to limit how many people we allow in
Speaker 3: a Camp hope at any given. Time from the other
Speaker 3: side Of Mason Dixon, lines it's, just you, know we
Speaker 3: gotta limit. That SO i don't know where we're at
Speaker 3: on the ratio right. Now do that barbecue up?
Speaker 2: There not really we.
Speaker 3: Could i'm glad you don't even. Try that's that's the best.
Speaker 4: News we actually we steal it from everyone else and
Speaker 4: make it just a little bit.
Speaker 3: Better by putting cheese on. IT i don't know what's
Speaker 3: what's In wisconsin that makes it. Better i'm not so
Speaker 3: sure about all.
Speaker 2: That probably, not but we like to think so of.
Speaker 3: Course you, yeah stay, Pride it's all. Good uh uh.
Speaker 3: Okay so join The navy four years out roughly nine
Speaker 3: MONTHS ishu into the army three years combat a lot
Speaker 3: of snaps and grab you talk, about and the drug
Speaker 3: stuff and going on. There when did you clearly your camp?
Speaker 3: Hope so you clearly there's SOME ptsd that's going on.
Speaker 3: There so when did you first notice something was not
Speaker 3: what it should?
Speaker 2: Be about three four years AFTER i got, out.
Speaker 3: After you got up that was, yeah.
Speaker 4: YEP i went to THE va AND i got the
Speaker 4: whole meds. Schedule at one point they had gone through
Speaker 4: twenty seven different, ones and THEN i didn't like them no,
Speaker 4: more AND i quit and ended up just kind of
Speaker 4: burying it to the best of my ability with work
Speaker 4: and ANYTHING i could.
Speaker 3: Find what kind of work did you?
Speaker 2: Do landscape?
Speaker 4: Designer, okay, ye my family has a pretty good sized garden.
Speaker 2: Center that's WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Did you'd enjoy the design, part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEP a lot ate up a lot of. TIME
Speaker 2: i can.
Speaker 3: IMAGINE i would think seeing a design come to life
Speaker 3: would have to be really a pretty cool. Experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's from paper to actually be in. There it's
Speaker 4: a lot of.
Speaker 3: Joy, YEAH i can. Imagine so you obviously went home
Speaker 3: after you got out of the. Military, YEP i went
Speaker 3: back to. Hometown, okay so a few years, afterwards when
Speaker 3: you begin to notice something's, up what was the tail
Speaker 3: to signs for you?
Speaker 2: That, UH i have a lot of.
Speaker 4: SECLUSION i did start drinking pretty good at that, time
Speaker 4: AND i went in. CYCLES i might stop AND i come.
Speaker 4: Back i'd have some angry issues here and, there actually
Speaker 4: quite a few, times but and a lot of, anxiety
Speaker 4: a lot of. Depression just then feel LIKE i had
Speaker 4: a real place. ANYMORE i was kind of making things
Speaker 4: up AS i went, along try to fill a hole
Speaker 4: that wasn't.
Speaker 2: There, sure that's way to put.
Speaker 3: It justin he, mentioned you know the twenty seven. Meds
Speaker 3: did when you went to THE, va did they throw
Speaker 3: a bunch of pills at? You or, yep that's the first.
Speaker 3: Thing it's, like you go.
Speaker 5: THERE i was in the OEF oi of, clinic, Right
Speaker 5: they have a lot of veterans come back to that go,
Speaker 5: THROUGH i, know The HOUSTON.
Speaker 3: Va that's how it. Is you go through the OEU
Speaker 3: foi of. Clinic they talked to you and then they recommend,
Speaker 3: it as you know the psych the psycle on the
Speaker 3: sixth floor here In. Houston they recommend different type of.
Speaker 5: Meds AND i would get on the meds for a,
Speaker 5: while and you, said drinking on the meds and you,
Speaker 5: know self medicating at the same time trying to take
Speaker 5: the meds at the VA's offering. You it just gets
Speaker 5: very confusing and very hard to adapt, to like reality
Speaker 5: and what's reality and what they're trying to get me to.
Speaker 5: Do and it wasn't the real HELP i, NEEDED i
Speaker 5: know that. Much and it really didn't. Work it started
Speaker 5: just getting worse and worse BECAUSE i wasn't, stable you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i didn't have a stable, place like you. SAID
Speaker 5: i was still wondering What i'm supposed to do with
Speaker 5: my purpose especially after the. Military you have so much
Speaker 5: of a purpose in the military and then you lose
Speaker 5: all of. That so, definitely i'all can understand where you're coming.
Speaker 3: From saving, yeah and this isn't to put anybody or anything,
Speaker 3: down just want to hear your. Story in addition to the,
Speaker 3: pills did they do anything? ELSE i, MEAN i, know,
Speaker 3: OBVIOUSLY i know not everybody that. Was i'm just listening To.
Speaker 3: DAVID i know you ended up. Homeless SO i just
Speaker 3: did they do anything service, wise anything else of note
Speaker 3: other than here's the, prescriptions, counseling that's. It just talk
Speaker 3: to a, psychiatrist, doctor, psychiatrist and then how often did
Speaker 3: they want you to do?
Speaker 5: That that was just to get the, medication to get the,
Speaker 5: pills just to tell my little bit of my, story
Speaker 5: and he wasn't really, Listening so that was like it
Speaker 5: was just Like i've heard this.
Speaker 3: Before here goes the. Pills was that every three months
Speaker 3: or you don't even. REMEMBER i would.
Speaker 5: TRY i would try to go there as much AS
Speaker 5: i needed, to but it was kind of like shining
Speaker 5: away from going to THE va BECAUSE i wasn't REALLY
Speaker 5: i wasn't really accepting what they were trying to do
Speaker 5: far as just like you, said being the white coat
Speaker 5: like a, doctor, right and it's not somebody that's been
Speaker 5: through it like a.
Speaker 3: Clinicial you, know he's just.
Speaker 5: Trying he's just LIKE i think he was about to retire,
Speaker 5: too so it make it even. Worse he was just,
Speaker 5: like oh, GOD i was just saying.
Speaker 3: Over, THERE i know you're not that like. That you've
Speaker 3: got a lot of energy compared To oh, man you're
Speaker 3: not as old as, him but you're definitely not in the.
Speaker 3: Heart yeah too. Late you got a.
Speaker 5: Young spirit That i'm there with you all all the
Speaker 5: way to to the.
Speaker 3: End and this isn't, again this isn't too it's not
Speaker 3: the VA's. Fault it's one about to. Mention but that's
Speaker 3: kind of the the problem of going at it strictly
Speaker 3: from the clinical, view because you're handing a guy who's
Speaker 3: struggling with his mental. Health here's here's a cocktail of.
Speaker 3: Pills uh, well first of, all can you even trust, him,
Speaker 3: right because they're mentally not. Well but here's a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of pills that all have serious side, effects not
Speaker 3: only mental side, effects but it's gonna affect all your major.
Speaker 3: Organs when you're taking all that kind of. Medication, yeah
Speaker 3: and so just out there on your, own especially once
Speaker 3: you reach the place where you're, homeless and, like, man
Speaker 3: that's just a, toxic toxic. Situation, benny was any different
Speaker 3: for you when they gave you the? Pills did they
Speaker 3: offer any other assistance or.
Speaker 2: No no other.
Speaker 4: Assistance what was different from me Was i'm so far
Speaker 4: north In wisconsin that all of our stuff was done
Speaker 4: through just the video, calls so they could send me
Speaker 4: to any psych. Anywhere at one, POINT i had three
Speaker 4: different at the same, time and they weren't communicating with each, other.
Speaker 2: SO i was getting three doses of Different.
Speaker 3: Now there's a STORY i haven't heard, before Justin i've
Speaker 3: never heard that one a little.
Speaker 4: Different they were tracking. It and WHEN i SAY i
Speaker 4: didn't care about, nothing what's?
Speaker 2: EVERYTHING i. Was was this BEFORE, Covid, yeah long.
Speaker 3: Before so it WASN'T covid.
Speaker 2: Driven, no it's twenty distance.
Speaker 3: Driven which is a part of the problem with THE
Speaker 3: vas also had for a, while you, know and a
Speaker 3: few years ago there was some effort made In congress
Speaker 3: to try to fix it to a, degree AND i
Speaker 3: think it helped a little. Bit but they just have
Speaker 3: a lot further than they need to take. It but
Speaker 3: this whole idea of. Uh for, instance you could live
Speaker 3: in let's Say, Cyprus, texas and if you had an
Speaker 3: eight thirty appointment at THE vau mean you would have
Speaker 3: to if you had a, CAR i, mean you would
Speaker 3: have to leave probably about six thirty to get through
Speaker 3: traffic get to the. Hospital then it's going to take
Speaker 3: you twenty five or thirty minutes to find a place to.
Speaker 3: Park if you're familiar with The BAKER va at, all
Speaker 3: it is notorious for parking. Issues and so the question, was,
Speaker 3: well why are you driving past literally probably fifty to
Speaker 3: seventy pharmacies to go get your prescription filled at THE
Speaker 3: va when you could get it, filled you, know three
Speaker 3: minute walk or a five minute. Drive and that was
Speaker 3: part of the. Problem so they had you on three
Speaker 3: different doctors at the same time and none of them.
Speaker 4: Talking none'm talking to each, other, Right and, yeah they're
Speaker 4: all three of. Them only one of them had me
Speaker 4: on two medications and the other ones had me three to.
Speaker 2: Four SO i was TAKING.
Speaker 4: I, Mean i'd have a full rack with those, weekdays
Speaker 4: AND i was taking the whole rack for the. Day
Speaker 4: WHEN i SAY i didn't care about. ANYTHING i didn't care.
Speaker 3: About, nothing, Right and getting back to the problem THAT
Speaker 3: i just mentioned that they're handing out medication but there's
Speaker 3: no oversight and how could THEY i, mean you're, living you, know.
Speaker 3: Wherever so Again i'm not blaming, Them i'm just saying
Speaker 3: it's a problem that has to be figured out because
Speaker 3: they're they're putting, guys they're teen guys up for, failure
Speaker 3: that's what they're. Doing like.
Speaker 4: It it took me to a point after we finally
Speaker 4: figured out what was going on THAT i had done
Speaker 4: some pretty bad things just because it's like the sense
Speaker 4: of caring about anything other THAN i, mean not even really.
Speaker 2: Myself at the.
Speaker 4: TIME i don't want to feel that way, again SO
Speaker 4: i do EVERYTHING i can to stay away from.
Speaker 3: Medication, yeah, WELL ptsd alone can do, that just shutting
Speaker 3: down the filter in the, brain like there's no right or,
Speaker 3: wrong it's just shut. Down then you throw in the,
Speaker 3: cocktail make some, meds and especially if you're adding alcohol to,
Speaker 3: it like there's a there's a recipe for. Failure all,
Speaker 3: right we're gonna take a quick. Break we'll be right
Speaker 3: back with more Of road To. Hope radio got Justin,
Speaker 3: Benny we'll be right back and we welcome you Back
Speaker 3: road To Hope. Radio all, Right, so, uh basically seven
Speaker 3: is years in the. MILITARY a few years, later four years,
Speaker 3: later you start realizing there's some issues going on and
Speaker 3: go to the, a start the medication, thing get tired of,
Speaker 3: that and just completely go off the, meds, right is that?
Speaker 3: Right all? Right so that was a while. Ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah when did you arrive At Camp?
Speaker 2: Hope uh The december thirtieth this year or, no last?
Speaker 3: Year, YEAH i got that's a lot of time in.
Speaker 4: Between, yeah, YEAH I I i bury everything was as
Speaker 4: much work AS i possibly, could just to have something
Speaker 4: else to worry. About then WHAT i should have been worrying,
Speaker 4: ABOUT i guess is the best WAY i can put.
Speaker 4: That if it had to do with, WORK i could
Speaker 4: go to social, Interactions but if it, DIDN'T i didn't want.
Speaker 2: To have anything to do with. Them.
Speaker 4: Really i'd usually be, camping, hunting and fishing by myself
Speaker 4: IF i. Could but after a WHILE i even lost
Speaker 4: interest in. That.
Speaker 2: Yeah ONCE i started stop doing, THAT i knew there
Speaker 2: was no.
Speaker 3: Problem, yeah that's my. Passion, sure, yeah, Yeah well we
Speaker 3: want you to get it.
Speaker 2: Back, oh, yeah working on.
Speaker 3: It give me a story of an overview of what
Speaker 3: led you, to you, know realizing you needed something Like
Speaker 3: Camp hope where THEY i mean just you needed help
Speaker 3: and how did you hear about? Us just kind of
Speaker 3: walked me through that a little.
Speaker 4: Bit, well it's it's actually so in. BETWEEN i had
Speaker 4: been trying to actually seek help Because i've known there's a,
Speaker 4: problem But i've been denied so many times for different
Speaker 4: reasons and whatnot insurances or not qualifying or not having a.
Speaker 4: DIAGNOSIS i believe it was me and my Girl. Chris
Speaker 4: we started researching in all kinds of places and she
Speaker 4: Found Camp. Hope and there's the first ones to, say.
Speaker 4: Yakamon yeah it was the first time hearing, That SO
Speaker 4: i didn't hesitate AND i was on a planet on
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 3: Here, yeah interesting. Timing just simhear the thirtieth, Like, OKAY
Speaker 3: i got, IT i understand been. Here so you've been
Speaker 3: here four and a half ish. Months how are we.
Speaker 4: Doing i'm doing a lot better THAN i. Was i'm
Speaker 4: starting to design baits. Again in my off time at.
Speaker 4: CAMP i really.
Speaker 2: Want to go. Fishing that's driving me.
Speaker 3: CRAZY i was gonna say that we might be able
Speaker 3: to fix. That we might be able to do something
Speaker 3: about that. One, yeah that's coming up right. Again, HEY
Speaker 3: i don't want to mess up the name of the.
Speaker 5: Event, yeah M i don't Want warriors.
Speaker 3: Weekend, yeah it's just talk about some of, it but
Speaker 3: think about crawfish and then, Yeah warriors weekend is coming, Up,
Speaker 3: Yes wars. Weekend, yeah you able to go down The
Speaker 3: mexico or go For american it's water and go fishing
Speaker 3: off the banks of uh Of. Texas so you're gonna
Speaker 3: you're gonna have a great. Time it's a great. Weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah you make sure that you don't miss that. Bus,
Speaker 3: uh you'll be treated. Cruelty it's, truly it's an amazing.
Speaker 3: Weekend uh they do they just they treat everybody so
Speaker 3: great on. Those so hopefully you get to go fishing
Speaker 3: here real, quick what's changed for? You what's what's the
Speaker 3: different in your?
Speaker 4: Mindset the counselors that can't hope have been absolutely.
Speaker 2: Amazing they no.
Speaker 4: Meds we've just been working through different things and we
Speaker 4: started new saying called cognitive, therapy Which i've never experienced,
Speaker 4: before which has been huge because one of my biggest
Speaker 4: problem with avoidance starting to learn that and get things.
Speaker 4: Out not having an hour twice a week to do
Speaker 4: it is Something i've never had. Before it's helping a
Speaker 4: lot good group of guys THAT i. Have we do
Speaker 4: a lot of warrior groups even within the house ourselves
Speaker 4: plus the warrior groups that.
Speaker 3: That's the peer to peer. Thing, man it, Works it, helps,
Speaker 3: works it works afterwards, too if you just stay in
Speaker 3: contact with the. Guy that's one of the beautiful things
Speaker 3: About Camp hope, is, uh you, know everybody come from
Speaker 3: different places and different, experiences in different, backgrounds but all
Speaker 3: the shared experience of you, know trauma while in the.
Speaker 3: Military so there's that shared experience that draws everybody. Together
Speaker 3: but there's this whole bunch of strangers from all across
Speaker 3: the country at all different age, ages age, ranges, goodness
Speaker 3: but they become friends for life, afterwards AND i love
Speaker 3: seeing that take. PLACE i just think that's one of
Speaker 3: the coolest parts About Camp. Hope this is just you,
Speaker 3: know we talk about side effects for. Pills this is
Speaker 3: a side effect From Camp. Hope you've got a lot
Speaker 3: of brothers out.
Speaker 5: There WHEN i first got The Camp, HOPE i didn't
Speaker 5: realize how like.
Speaker 3: How bad it was for me BECAUSE i.
Speaker 5: WAS i got there and it was they just went
Speaker 5: straight to the warrior group or straight to the. Conflicts
Speaker 5: it was, conflicts AND i you, KNOW i heard everything
Speaker 5: that goes along in, conflicts. Right and then, AFTERWARDS i
Speaker 5: mean they were all coming at each other like this
Speaker 5: and that and just kind of trying to figure things.
Speaker 5: Out and then afterwards it was like giving hugs and
Speaker 5: SAYING i love.
Speaker 3: You AND i hadn't had that in a.
Speaker 5: Long, time to be honest with, you like hugs and
Speaker 5: someone tell me THAT i.
Speaker 3: Love, you and you, know it's like, okay, yeah, right
Speaker 3: where my? At, yes what's going on? Here?
Speaker 2: Yeah it.
Speaker 3: Worked it wore on me real. Quick, yeah you, know
Speaker 3: AND i.
Speaker 5: Still do that to this, day just tell PEOPLE i
Speaker 5: love them AND i care for them and love like
Speaker 5: they say in The, bible, right love is the.
Speaker 3: Key do you remember the first step four that you
Speaker 3: heard of?
Speaker 2: Camp, YEAH i put me in. Tears it was.
Speaker 3: Interesting helps guys realize one that they're not as unique
Speaker 3: as that's all they were, Like i'm the only ones. Ever, yeah,
Speaker 3: no you're not stand in. Line but you, know back
Speaker 3: to the whole cognitive, therapy it's like it's huge it's absolutely,
Speaker 3: huge and, yes it's forcing you to dig down into
Speaker 3: all those corner recesses where we've packed junk away and
Speaker 3: wanted to leave it, there and forced to not only
Speaker 3: bring it out, there but to tell the tell the whole.
Speaker 3: Room but everyone in the room gets.
Speaker 2: It that was a.
Speaker 4: Big thing WHY I i had said avoidance, earlier IS
Speaker 4: i started, avoiding you know WHAT i had going, on
Speaker 4: especially because trying to talk with people back home about
Speaker 4: things THAT i had done or combat That i've, seen
Speaker 4: they just want to grass the. Concept within the first
Speaker 4: week or two of being In Camp, hope it was
Speaker 4: back to having conversations with the same guys as me,
Speaker 4: is and we talk a very different. Lango when it's
Speaker 4: just us. There we have a humor that a lot
Speaker 4: people don't understand and the things that we started laughing
Speaker 4: about immediately WHEN i got in, there it was like
Speaker 4: all right back to normal for a little bit, here
Speaker 4: started figuring things, out and it's working doing what it.
Speaker 3: Said it's going to any trauma related and it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what it. Is but any trauma related, groups the
Speaker 3: humor can get really, dark really really, dark and it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what the trauma. Is it can get really,
Speaker 3: dark really. Fast but, YES i. Understand hey, man happy
Speaker 3: for the progress that you've. Made just keep doing, it
Speaker 3: keep doing the, work keep, learning keep working through the,
Speaker 3: frustration the, doubts the, fears just keep working through. It,
Speaker 3: definitely you got a good guy sitting next to. You
Speaker 3: it's got a. Story. Man if you haven't heard, it
Speaker 3: making tell it to you on the way, back because
Speaker 3: it's proof that stick with. It absolutely life. Changing absolutely
Speaker 3: life changes up to. You what you do with it all. Right, again,
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