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become in mathing. Some decay sixty step sist.

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Speaker 2: Happen happens us nations.

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Speaker 3: Here's a woman.

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Speaker 4: You let one ant stand up to us, then they

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all might stand up.

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Speaker 5: Those puny little ants outnumber us one hundred to one.

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Speaker 2: And if they ever figure that out, there goes our

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Speaker 3: It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line.

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Speaker 2: That's why we're going back. Does anybody else want to stay?

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Speaker 1: Let's dry.

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Speaker 6: All it's my last chance to bail. It's my last chance. No,

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I put myself on camera now now I have to

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go through with this. That's what I give myself every night,

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give myself the leeway every night. You could still back

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out of this, but the moment you go on camera

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it's over. Then you just have to suffer through it.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Now you guys have to suffer through it too.

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Speaker 6: We're back for the last day in March twenty twenty

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six at seven o'clock on the Schnaz and I am

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your host. My name is Frank. Been doing this for

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a long time and this is your first time watching me.

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Then welcome you have a lot to get caught up on,

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very exciting stuff, very very exciting stuff. I hope everybody's

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feeling gay this evening. As we were saying last night,

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we are going to be reclaiming the word gay. That

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was at Willie's urging that we have to reclaim the

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word and make it mean happy again, joyous and happy.

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Speaker 2: So I hope all is gay anyway.

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Speaker 6: Tonight, Actually, just a couple of minutes, we're going to

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have our friends Timothy Gordon and Jay Dyer with us.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long time.

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Speaker 6: I think actually it might have been last April that

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we had both of them on and you know, we

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talked to them on their own and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I love when we get the boys together for

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Speaker 6: And they've had a couple of big, well watched debates

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with each other over the last year, one at I

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think Tim. I think they might have done one or

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two with Tim Poole, and then another one I think

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with Eliza Shaeffer in Florida sometime last August or September.

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love I love listening to those debates, I really do.

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these kinds of mental exercises. It's you hear history that

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you don't get anymore. And it also has something to

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do with the supernatural, which is really great. We talk

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about eternity and our entry into eternity, punching our ticket

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into eternity. And it'll be nice to talk to them

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both right here in Holy Week, and that'll be happening

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in a couple of minutes. First thing I want to

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say is to all of our friends in Canada. I've

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been watching, just in my peripheral vision here what's going

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on with Alberta. There's an independence movement that's going on

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out there, I guess, much like what we get in

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Texas every ten or twelve years. So Alberta's independence or

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separatism movements. That's what I've been reading, our recurring expression

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of Western alienation. All right, this is all being taken

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from Wikipedia. I wanted to lead with that first, the

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widespread feeling in Alberta and sometimes other Prairie provinces that

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Ottawa doesn't understand or respect their economic interest, especially oil

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gas resource as well. As of right now, on March

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thirty first, we've got a group called the Alberta Prosperity Project.

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Many of you have been emailing me, Frank, We're getting closer.

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Stay Free Alberta as well launched a citizen petition for

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a referendum on a straight up independence, the question do

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you agree that the Province of Alberta should cease to

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be a part of Canada?

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Speaker 2: To become an independent state?

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Speaker 6: They needed one hundred and seventy seven thousand, seven hundred

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and thirty two signatures, that's ten percent of eligible voters

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by May second. As of March thirtieth, organizers claim they've

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hit the threshold and we'll submit for verification by elections

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by the elections. If validated, it could force the question

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onto a provincial referendum ballot, possibly October twenty twenty six.

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Now there's a counter petition, Alberta Forever Canada, with hundreds

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of thousands of signatures opposing the separation. God, they're just

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wet blanket bastards everywhere everywhere. They're all the same retards.

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they carry different flags. Sometimes a lot of them are

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carrying the same flags no matter where they live. But

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that you guys are a little bit of a minority.

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their zoom call, their zoom link is in their Twitter

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DMS opposition to sixty to seventy percent say that they

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would vote to stay. Many definitely stay. So listen, I'm

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Speaker 2: I really am. Like I said, I'm all, I'm I'm

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Speaker 6: Secession movements, even when California was saying I'd like to

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secede in twenty sixteen and all the other times that

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they got their panties up in a bunch out there,

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all the Democrats out there.

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Speaker 2: It's a great that'd be wonderful.

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Speaker 6: That'd be wonderful, not even just from a you know,

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dead weight standpoint, and it actually be the most patriotic

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thing that California could do is to secede.

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Speaker 6: A wonderful precedent that has been re established, that has

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of course been wiped away in the eighteen sixties with

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the million, the million people who lost their lives over

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sea session. What the hell was the American Revolution? So

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so yeah, I don't know. I'm pulling for you guys

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in Alberta, bud who knows other than that. Jd Vance

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warns that UFOs could be demons flying around the Earth.

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Atlas stuff, because we have We'll have Matt from Cultivate

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able to do a lot of fun, fun outside of

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the box stuff. Of course, I think he'll just laugh

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at it, because I know that he doesn't think that

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space is what they say it is either. But either way,

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it'll be nice Wednesday night over here, rabbit Hole Wednesday.

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It's coming back at least for tomorrow night. Vice President

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around the Earth, contending that ancient civilizations believe that they

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had encountered with such vile creatures. I don't think that

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they're aliens. I think they're demons. But that's a long discussion,

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he said. There are other things that are getting around

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of those phases where all the same rules apply as

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picking what kind of movie I'm going to go to

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the theater and watch. If it has bad reviews from

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all the people that I don't like, that, I know

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it's probably worth seeing. The same thing goes for UFO

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over again, it just becomes something that is just so

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Vice President talking about I don't think that they're actually

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me off, okay, because what the hell they actually going

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to tell us again that they were they were the barrier,

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they were the prophylactic to keep us from being exposed

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to the demonic, and that the demonic just likes to you,

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just likes to do these figure eights in the sky.

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Speaker 2: How demonic?

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Speaker 3: That is.

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Speaker 6: Just very scary stuff. Doesn't have to be scary, Frank,

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it just has to be deceptive.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 6: But too many of the people, too many people, and

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too many prominent positions are saying things that used to

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be relegated to just us, you know, our conversations and

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chat rooms and message boards and image boards. So we'll

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talk about that tomorrow. Maybe we'll put some polls up

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in the chat room. We'll take some of your calls,

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and we'll see where the hell you guys are all

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Speaker 2: And there and there's that. Okay, let's see here. What

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Speaker 6: Now, this is the big This is the big thing

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that we have to read about a little bit tonight.

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murky murder trial. This is from RTL today. Twenty two

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people went on trial in France on Monday on charges

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of murder and other serious crimes centered on members of

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a Masonic lodge accused of running hit squads.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: The real question is who who were they taken out?

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Speaker 3: What is this?

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Speaker 2: Is it just really just murder for hire?

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Speaker 6: Milative wing of some kind of a political apparatus, some

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unseen political thing an organization. Are they going out there

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and conducting geopolitical operations on behalf of and of a

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you know, of a fraternal order that has been at

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the center of almost every major conspiracy theory and conspiracy

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confirmed for god knows how many hundreds of years now

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Foreign Legion and two police officers, are retired domestic intelligence officer,

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of the murder of a racing driver since seemed too

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prominent there. What was a racing driver up to that

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he had to get clipped the attempted murders of a

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business coach and trade unionist. They didn't actually do that,

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of a mafia network inside the former Ethanore Masonic lodge

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in Paris suburb of Pouteau I. Hope I said that

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right can't stand France and all their names. Several Freemasons

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from the twenty or so member lad are on the dock.

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have no previous criminal records. The alleged ring leaders are

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Speaker 2: They faced life in jail convicted.

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Speaker 6: The French they don't even I mean even this, you're

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running murder for hire and they don't even have the

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the guillotine, just a tradition you couldn't kick. But now

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they can't even they can't even pull the trigger on

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I have. Twenty twenty, when two members of the military

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of business coach Marie Helene Deny. Under questioning, they said

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Deani on behalf of the French state, on the grounds

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the the assaults and everything else that that's it makes

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there's bigger fish to fry, even for freemasons. Who do

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we have on the line right now? Is it Jay Dyer?

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Speaker 7: Jay?

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Speaker 4: Is that you?

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Speaker 1: It is me?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, see, Jay's on the road right now.

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Speaker 6: He's on a monster tour of podcasts and and he's

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with a few biggies just recently. But tell everybody what

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you what you're up to right now?

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Speaker 5: Man, I appreciate that We've done about seventeen or eighteen

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podcast shows in the past four weeks. We did a

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tim cast double appearance, a debate with Tim We did

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Stephan Mallinu interview, we did Alex Jones, we did Hodge Twins,

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Speaker 3: It's just been a wild, NonStop worl wirlwind.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean it just it's one of these days.

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I got to get both of you guys up into

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the studio over here in Westchester. That would be awesome,

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that really would be and yeah, yeah, we got it.

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Speaker 2: We got it. And Timothy just joined us right now too. Tim.

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Speaker 6: Good to see Frank, It's good to see you guys.

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Jay on the on the line. Hold on, I'll move

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him over here too. Uh well, hey, let's start with

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both of you guys, because on the on the Freemason thing,

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because I want to I want to know where you

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guys come up with this. Jay, you, I mean, you

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guys both really come at this from a a Vatican level.

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Speaker 2: There too.

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Speaker 6: You come at it from geo just basic geopolitical posturing.

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At this point, what do you think about everything we

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know about the the latest of this Freemason story. There

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is botched assaults. They weren't very good at their job,

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but they got a couple of people killed. I guess

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here too, and some of it had to do with

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trying to cleanse France of some massad agents. So, Jay,

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what are your thoughts on this? What have you done

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think this is interesting because it really vindicates the

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assessment that I've had for a good while about what

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freemasonry is and how it functions. Really overlaps with intelligence agencies,

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US the Free Masonic Networks as their spy agency. And

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this here in the case of France with a sort

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of Masonic mafia as they called that, that.

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Speaker 3: Was engaged in espionage, that was engaged.

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Speaker 5: In a form of even a false flag recruitment, and

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that is basically when people are recruited into working for

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what they believe is some intelligence agency, but they're actually

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working on the behalf of somebody else or something else,

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and so it seems like there's a lot of manipulation

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going on. And this Masonic network here had recruited people

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to do dirty work, including assassinations, and it's under the

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guys that they were working for the French intelligence establishment.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing, they actually could happen.

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Speaker 5: So this could have been a clever way for the

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governments to sort of distance themselves from the sort of

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dirty work that goes on. There's a lot of precedents

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for that, and say Operation Gladio, where you were expected

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to join the P two Masonic Lodge to be part

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of the Gladio terror network.

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Speaker 3: So this is very similar to a kind of a

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Gladio style structure operation.

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Speaker 5: But I think that in this case it could go

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either way because they actually did have former so called

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French intelligence operatives involved in this, and they could literally

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have been really working for the state, the French intelligence superstructure,

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or they could have been false flag recruits. Either way,

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it's a fascinating window into really demonstrating and proving what

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I've been saying about masonry for so long.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you guys would both I would have to

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agree that this is you know, these are how these

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fraternal networks as as a structure, as a structural feature

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of intel elgent services actually functions. It's not an aberration.

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This is you would just you would lean into that

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way of thinking that this is not an aberration. These

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are not just people that were figure they can pick

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up some chump change and maybe do some high high

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value contracts.

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Speaker 2: That this is actually a feature, not a not a bug.

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Speaker 3: I would say this is normal procedures.

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Speaker 5: I mean certainly not every American you know, Bible Belt

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Masonic lodge that's just the Blue Lodge, is going to

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be functioning at this high of a capacity. But really

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masonry is like a tiered fraternal structure that only really

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raises people to the higher levels to do these types

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of things when they give the psychological profile that they're

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willing to do these kinds of things. So there's kind

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of like profane you know, granddaddy at the local lodge,

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drinking beer type of masonry, which is I mean, it's

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still you know, a secret society. That's the verse of

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an anti Christian. But I don't think you're going to

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be involved in this kind of stuff unless you're you know,

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sort of raised up into the higher levels and and

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again it's just it's it's very illustrative because even Albert

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Pike says and roles and dogma that the lower levels

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are deceived and their light to about what masonry really is.

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Speaker 3: And this kind of a of a story which is

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not unique. There's many cases.

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Speaker 5: If you go back to the William Morgan incident which

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in America resulted in the Anti Masonic Party, you could

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see that there's a consistent pattern of this kind of stuff,

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with the sonic lodges being used by darker say ten.

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Speaker 3: Things, or even by illuminous Jacobins.

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Speaker 5: In fact, you know why Shout himself said that he

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would utilize the existing Masonic networks for his revolutionary Secret

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Society and also by intelligence operatives as well.

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Speaker 6: Tim anything you want to add to that, because of

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course this is you often hit on Freemasonry from the

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angle that you know, the church's historical prohibition on membership.

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Of course, it pops up anytime we get into whether

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it is published work of fiction, faction, nonfiction. Just how

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they often pop up and still are in the mix

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of so many things on that level from a deep

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church level as well.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Just say you're average listeners plagued by incredulity because it

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is a bit of elite, a conceptual leap when we

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consider that, like, I don't know, the average blue mace

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on Bluemin's sonic dork that people know in their neighborhood

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with a little G on the back of the truck

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doesn't seem capable of fasting for six hours, let alone,

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you know, carrying off hits and stuff. Because they're not

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high level Masons. And I would say you have to

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get over this kind of allergen because secret societies are

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organized in such a fashion to cover up the importance

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and it's really pareto principle. The important stuff is really

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you know, the eighty first and above percentile. So blue

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Masons are people that are kind of basic American fat

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suburbs dorks that drive around with the G on their car.

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Even Actually there's a dude there at Tempole when me

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and Jay were debating, we ended up having a bit

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of a laugh. He thought it could be a Protestant

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guy and a Mason too. I think is called himself

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lore Lodge. This should be gotten over because it's part

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of what's meant to disarm you about the basic structure

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of secret societies were at large. I'd been revisiting Frank

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the P two thing, the entire propaganda doue set of

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claims about the church infiltration into our Holy growing Catholic

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Church in the second half of the twentieth century, particularly

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the claims made by Malachi Martin, but others besides him

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as well. There's there's really a lot of evidence, more

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than I thought a couple of years ago when we

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read his book together in a reading group. There's a

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lot of evidence that, in my view, is mounting that

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P two actually did was able at some points of

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the latter half of the twentieth century to infiltrate the

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Roman Carrea and all but surround the pope with the

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men that had been foretold the century before that the

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Pope would be surrounded by guys who were in the

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P two lodge, the one of the highest lodges in

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all of Europe, the Italian Lodge, who would do expressly

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anti Catholic things in the name of the Roman Carrea.

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So that's actually I want to have you on my

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show with a guest that that we've interviewed before, who's

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going to be pointing out really, really really fresh stuff

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about it, and you know, see from there. But the

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P two always catches my ear because that is not

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your your low level blue Masonic dork stuff. This is

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the high level powerful stuff for where where things actually happen.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, well, well I'm I'm interested in all this,

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it really, I really am. And it's it's it's incredible

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that we're going to see have a three month trial,

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especially with this France situation, is that the trial is

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going to be about three months. I wonder what's going

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to pop up along the way. I know, Jay, you'll

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be you'll be keeping close tabs on it for anything

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that is that is learned by the public and discovery

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or anything like that. And and I want to hear

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more about it, you know, on that as far as

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geopolitical and gladio and and everything else that we deal

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with on a day to day basis. I do want

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to ask something of you guys that that may bring

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you both together on on a on a concept of

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just war. I know that that Jay, there's you guys

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don't have like a form or Orthodox Church doesn't have

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it like a formal just war theory like the Catholic

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Church does.

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Speaker 2: I believe.

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Speaker 6: But I have to imagine that on the moral evaluation

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of war, you guys are probably gonna have a lot

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of a lot in common. What's going on right now

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in Iran is pretty interesting. I can't imagine that both

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either of you are really into it or see the value.

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And I don't know, but Jay, let's start with you.

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How are you really reading what's going on in Iran

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Speaker 5: Well, let me say that, first of all, I think

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that Tim and I would probably be on absolutely the

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same page on most of the stuff, including everything that's

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TIMPs out about masonry and P two and all that

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totally agree.

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Speaker 3: Do have any disagreements there?

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Speaker 5: I think the classical sort of Byzantine state model attitude

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towards warfare, the way that Byzantine emperors engage in warfare,

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the way that Russians ares engaged in the warfare. From

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an orthodox perspective, we would probably have some version of just.

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Speaker 3: War that would be the same.

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Speaker 5: So I don't think we would totally just We would

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have much disagreement on these basic ideas. I think that

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it gets very fuzzy. If you want to try to

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justify preemptive strikes, there'd have to be some very dire

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necessitating causes.

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Speaker 3: For why that would be the case.

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Speaker 5: For example, if you were about to have some sort

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of serious, serious, eminent threat that you knew about, maybe

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that could justify for a preemptive attack or strike. But

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typically speaking, it's not. It's not something that's justified. So

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I don't think that that's really anything to do with

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what's going on in Iran. This is really just the

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Greater Israel project, something that I've been talking about for many,

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many years, maybe even going back fifteen fifteen years a

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decade or so. We've done podcasts about Odd Jannon back

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in nineteen early nineteen eighties, it was the foreign policy

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guy for Ariel Sharon, and this was the idea that

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Israel would be better off if they were to expand

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massively and create what they called a micro state throughout

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the Middle East at that time. So Iran is just

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one of many of these projects that the United States

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has been the bitch of Israel.

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Speaker 3: To engage in for a long time.

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Speaker 5: So you can read the clean Break strategy that Nanyah

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who put out in the nineteen nineties where they really

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talked about this, you know, destabilization in multiple countries. This

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matches up loosely to Wesley Clark's seven nation plan that

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he saw at the Pentagon after nine to eleven. After

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nine to eleven, we've basically been doing the same types

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of middlease of operations that Israel wanted at the behest

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of Israel and the neocons.

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Speaker 3: So that's really what this is.

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Speaker 5: And it's kind of also repeat of the nineteen fifties

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which when they overthrew the Shop, this was the CIA's

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operation Ajax run by Kermil Roosevelt to install assuming they

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throw Mozedic to install the Shaw. That was a failed

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CIA operation because they then had to make a deal

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with the Iotola Kashawnee after him after he failed, and

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then there was a subsequent deals made with the I

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Tolos after that. So what we have is just simply

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regime change at that time being done for UH British

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Speaker 3: And nowadays it's the same type of.

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Speaker 5: Regime change revolution operations for the Great Original Project, because

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we basically do whatever BB says right and BB was

477
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bragging like twenty.

478
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Speaker 3: Eight years ago, well a mitteredo will do whatever we

479
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want them to do. So that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's almost as if we had BB calling in for

481
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a second. That was wonderful.

482
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Speaker 3: I love that you're with me. I'm actually in Israel

483
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:30,480
right now.

484
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:33,359
Speaker 2: It's gonna say, you know, you should call it.

485
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Speaker 6: If you called it, if you call him with with no,

486
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,599
with just audio, more often you do the impressions. I

487
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,000
swear to god, it'd be dead ringers.

488
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,079
Speaker 3: But you know what's a funny. Look up the clip

489
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:43,519
where he says you can find on YouTube.

490
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Speaker 5: Look up Benjamin at Yahoo and nine O two one

491
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O melrose Place, and it's ten twenty years ago. He's

492
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talking to Congress and he's like, if you really want

493
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,400
to change around, beam melrose Place to nine O two

494
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,599
one Oho, and Hollywood will change the culture of lorn.

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Speaker 2: Nine O two one.

496
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Speaker 3: No.

497
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Speaker 5: He actually he's saying that basically Hollywood is soft ower Yeah,

498
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to create cultural revolution.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna find that after we get off the air

500
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later on. No doubt about it, Tim, anything on on

501
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:14,319
just war theory, because obviously I did not think that

502
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any of you, you or Jay were going to say

503
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that there was anything here that would actually be considered

504
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,119
just war. I thought I actually thought it was a

505
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,559
little head scratching when Pope Leo yesterday, I think said

506
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that God doesn't listen to the prayer of those who

507
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wage war. And I'm saying, to myself, what what what

508
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were the Crusades? I mean, I don't, I don't understand.

509
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:39,920
I'm just thinking about that. It's like, thank God for

510
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,920
the Crusades. But so there's there's something that that was

511
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a head scratcher. But at the same time, yeah, no,

512
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I don't. I don't believe that this was I don't

513
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doesn't look.

514
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Speaker 2: Like a just war to me. I'm hoping we can

515
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brack it into what he said, a just war, because

516
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obviously the Old Testament and New Testament is so replete

517
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with holy justified wars that Heaven smiles on. But just

518
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war is if you substitute it for what he was saying,

519
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,799
this is absolutely the standard for what Christians should hope for.

520
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Just wars can be great things, and the war in

521
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Iran so clearly is not. And you know, I've been

522
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:29,599
really happy to reconnect with ed Faser Catholic, one of

523
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,519
the greatest living English language philosophers, stimistic philosophers who has

524
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,359
a popular repute over you know his critiques of the

525
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,839
Trump admint on this. It just is a fail for

526
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,680
just war. Depends on how you parse it. But really

527
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,000
we would say as Thomas that it's got six six prongs,

528
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and the prongs are it's got to be a last resort.

529
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This is a major fail for a last resort.

530
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Speaker 3: Right.

531
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Speaker 2: Second prong is it's got to be a just cause,

532
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major fail because it's the Greater Israel Project. I just

533
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,200
sent you something, Frank, if you wanted to just show

534
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:09,480
the metastasization of the Greater Israel project, I think I

535
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,279
texted it to you on the screen. It's really nice.

536
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It shows year by year just this cancer spreading of

537
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,039
the Greater Israel project does not constitute by a long

538
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shot a just cause out of the medieval tradition of

539
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:27,599
just wars. Third prong, valid authority. A war must arise

540
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out of not just valid authority, but a consistent policy

541
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or principle. Maybe it passes this one prong for what

542
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constitutes to just war. Fourthly, probable success. There's no real

543
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success in the Middle East when we're talking about kicking

544
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:47,519
out the people that have been there for two millennia

545
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and repopulating them. If we're talking about the West Bank

546
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or something like that with foreigners that have mostly Eastern

547
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,119
European DNA. If we check the charts, I would say

548
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,440
one's a fail, two's a fail. Maybe you get valid

549
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,280
authority check on three. Four is a fail for probable success. Proportionality,

550
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:11,599
you know, cutting off the heads of babies. If you're

551
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looking at settlers on the West Bank, they're they're going

552
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,800
around killing Christians and Muslims. No, no proportionality. The force

553
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,760
used here is not at all proportionate. It's never proportionedate

554
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,239
form against force against women or children, and no more

555
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,519
than necessary. Come on, that's a overwhelming failure on the

556
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fifth prong. And the sixth prong is you have to

557
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,079
have some sort of exit strategy. This is a newer

558
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addendum that has been you know that was presumptively tacit

559
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,559
in the Tomistic formulation, but I think it makes sense

560
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,360
to add this idea of exit strategy as well. And

561
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it's got to be fought fairly and quickly as possible.

562
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And if recent American Neo conservative Jewish wars have been

563
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,440
have proven anything over the last forty to sixty years,

564
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,360
it's that we never have an exit strategy into a

565
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,599
military industrial complex guarantees, if anything, that these wars have

566
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staying power long beyond the stated purpose of the war. Well,

567
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I would, I say, I would, I would. I would

568
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,679
defer back to Jay on that one there too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the exit strategy is usually a financial one for

570
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whoever is making the whoever's making off with the you know,

571
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:32,880
the Gladiol loot, and whether we're talking about Vietnam or Afghanistan,

572
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,360
you know, we're talking about pro tracted operations that somebody's

573
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,199
benefiting from. But what the general public is being pitched

574
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,000
on is definitely not you know, bearing fruit. But somebody

575
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,239
is benefiting from that, and it usually is some dark

576
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,599
accounted streams of money and usually the trillions of dollars,

577
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,440
especially when it involves drugs. I noted on all that stuff.

578
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So I have to imagine the way we are on

579
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the same page there. That's I want to move on

580
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to this one new, brave, new world kind of thing.

581
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You guys were talking about women before there too, and

582
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,119
this is something that CIA related. It was not too

583
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,519
long ago where we have it over here. I saw

584
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:22,199
that it was an October twenty twenty one CIA document

585
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and it's been getting around now. I've been saving it

586
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for a couple of weeks so that I had you

587
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guys on women advancing white, racially ethnically motivated violent extremists.

588
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: This was flagged the.

589
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 6: Prioritization of motherhood and homemaking. This was flagged by the CIA,

590
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I think recently. Just as recently in February of twenty

591
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,199
twenty six, John Ratcliffe, who's at the CIA, the director

592
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,719
right now, retracted it as one of I think eighteen

593
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,480
or nineteen intelligence products that were pulled due to bias.

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And inside of this, it's talking about how women who

595
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prioritize motherhood and homemaking as are are showing potential indicators

596
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of racially and ethnically motivated violence extremism. So any kind

597
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,840
of sympathy toward that specifically cited groups who lauded these

598
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,320
are quote here lauded motherhood and homemaking as a woman's

599
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,599
most important responsibility. And you know, obviously you guys can

600
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talk about this as tim you've you've published on the patriarchy. Jay,

601
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you are also very you know, you have a lot

602
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,760
of output on this stuff, broadcasting breakdowns. You were talking

603
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about intelligence and counterculture. You can get into all of that,

604
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,119
but specifically from a Brave New World area Jay, because

605
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:49,760
we read that book together, the family unit itself is

606
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a threat to the state. Motherhood is becomes an obscenity

607
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:56,840
in that world. It's just crazy to see this being

608
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retracted by the CIA, which obviously that can change like

609
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,559
the tides every four years.

610
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: So it's crazy. This is this is just it's there

611
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for anybody to read, and it's real.

612
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

613
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Speaker 5: There was an article written a few years ago in

614
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what's called the American Affairs Journal, and they were talking

615
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about the CIA and its history of ideology amongst kind

616
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of the members and its ethos.

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Speaker 3: It's called its CIA and the.

618
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Speaker 5: New Dialect of Power by River Page, and I recommend

619
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reading that because the art argues that the CIA was

620
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never really a quote right wing institution, even though for

621
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a long time it was popular amongst the left, the

622
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,760
mainline left to characterize that during the Cold War some

623
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,360
sort of like far right fascist institution, and they usually

624
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,800
point to things like, oh, well you have you know

625
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,199
some of these William Casey era templars who are Roman

626
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,519
Catholic trad cats.

627
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Speaker 3: Amongst the CIA, you have William Colby tradcat, and the.

628
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Speaker 5: CIA yeah, but they weren't really expressing the overall ethos

629
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,119
of the CIA because it was always.

630
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Speaker 3: A leftist institution.

631
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 5: In fact, the way that they wanted to fight the

632
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Soviets was not by returning to some paleo conservative ideology.

633
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:12,679
Speaker 3: The fight against the Soviets was waged.

634
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Speaker 5: Through postmodern alliance with the French New Left, which they

635
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,000
brag about. Postmodernism became the ethos of the CIA during

636
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:26,440
the Cold War to fight Soviet cosmism and Soviet objectivism.

637
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So you have to understand that it's not a right

638
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,760
wing versus left wing thing. They were always using liberalism

639
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,440
as the key element to win.

640
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Speaker 3: The quote Cold War. That's why. For example, if you watch.

641
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,639
Speaker 5: Ury Besmanov, who people loved to tout as if he's

642
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,239
some sort of like awesome, you know, Cold warrior figure,

643
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,679
right wing guy, if you watched the full interviews, he

644
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,079
says stuff like we're only going to win the Cold

645
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,039
War when we have gay rights in the Eastern Bloc countries.

646
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Speaker 2: It's like, well, people missed that.

647
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, So that's that's because the CIA is a

648
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,760
sort of postmodern liberal institution and always has been. It

649
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,360
was anti Soviet, it was never anti liberal and that's

650
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,280
the key point that people always misunderstand in terms of

651
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,360
dialectic So no, it's only natural that they would evolve

652
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,599
from that ideology into woke. I mean, woke is the

653
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:26,360
next logical step out of like postmodern ideology, which again

654
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000
I think in my second book, the first chapter deals

655
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:38,280
with the CIA making alliances with dery Dah postmodernists, Jesuit postmodernists, Fuko,

656
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,559
all those guys were literally working with the CIA and

657
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:42,480
the Cold world, and people don't know that.

658
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:44,039
Speaker 3: And you said, well, why would they work with them?

659
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Speaker 5: Because they thought that was a better method of defeating

660
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the Soviet ideology, which is also atheistic. But the Soviet

661
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and the solidness ideology was not. It's not liberal, it's

662
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anti liberal, and byliberal I mean classical liberal ethos and

663
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,199
ideology is a fair, open borders, free markets, all those

664
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,000
ideas that come out as from the libertarian ethos, And

665
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,360
this is why libertarianism, which was supported about the CIA,

666
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:18,039
typically leads to woke ideology. That's why the CIA and

667
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,239
the Libertarian Party today is woke. They're like trans bro

668
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,400
trans all that nonsense. So it's only logical that the

669
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:29,280
CIA and the NSA themselves like I mean they were

670
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,679
putting out trans ads a few years ago, like oh,

671
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,480
we're so awesome because we recruit trands and you know

672
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,119
we we do all the rainbow flag stuff.

673
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Speaker 3: See how woke we are.

674
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Speaker 5: That's the logical result of the American leftist ethos.

675
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Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, And I remember those ads that was incredible,

676
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,599
the CIA ads, and and it was just like every

677
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,599
person there was just talking about how they're they're emotionally

678
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:56,119
crippled in one way or another other.

679
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Speaker 2: This person is going to be behind some guy of auld.

680
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 5: Imagine like like what is the It's so bizarre to

681
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,599
think that like your identity or equating intelligence was like

682
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,519
putting your penis in the poop hoole.

683
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Speaker 3: It's just fucking retarded, dude. I'm so sick with it.

684
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: I know, I know.

685
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 6: It's well, that's why I say, when you can come

686
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,000
down to everything that the act that's put on top

687
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,239
of what is really just a very crude push for

688
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,440
for some I don't know, it's just it's all so crude.

689
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Speaker 5: It's actually the brave New world though, Frank, Like, the

690
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,360
the reason that this is all pushed is because it

691
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:34,719
is what we read in our book club with you

692
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:35,760
bred New World.

693
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,519
Speaker 6: That's that's why Yes, and and Tim your thoughts on

694
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,079
this here too, just from the standpoint of everything you've published.

695
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:50,079
I mean this, this document operation operationalizes the States analytical apparatus.

696
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,760
Uh that that almost like pathologizes the biological family and

697
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,599
in in in many way, I mean that it's obstensibly

698
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,599
about race the document, but the actual surveillance trigger was

699
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,480
domestic role adoption and not ideology.

700
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Speaker 2: It was just something.

701
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Speaker 6: So it wasn't even talking about whether or not this

702
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:21,480
particular woman who is voting for one one way or

703
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,840
another when she goes into the voting booth. It wasn't

704
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,639
even about political ideology. It was more so about how

705
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in line with nature.

706
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Speaker 2: Is she?

707
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Speaker 6: And so you know, it's almost like violent actors. It

708
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:36,599
was really building a profile on a type of woman.

709
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And and yeah, it's it's a building block for some

710
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:44,000
scary Huxley type of stuff here.

711
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: So what do you have to say about that. Interrogate

712
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whether or not it's shame or force that the covert

713
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,840
left uses in the United States, I guess, and reinterrogate

714
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,320
whether it's shame or force that are the primary motivate

715
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,800
used by the left to force women out of the

716
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,039
home and into the workplace.

717
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Speaker 3: There was an.

718
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Speaker 2: Important recorded dialogue between Betty for Dan and Simone de

719
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Beauvoir in I think nineteen seventy five, seventy four or

720
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seventy five, and Simone de Beauvoir was French, obviously and

721
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,320
of the old Guard, heralding the view that look, we're French,

722
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,159
we don't have the exact same We love libertas, but

723
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,079
we don't have the same connection to it as a

724
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:38,320
nineteen seventies American. We advocate for French feminism by force

725
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,159
force women through regulation, actual legislation and threats by the

726
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,079
government to get out of the home and into the workforce.

727
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And Betty for Dan, young Jewish who looked up to

728
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,960
de Beauvoir, said, well, of course, you know that doesn't

729
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work in America. In America in the mid seventies, women

730
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:01,400
are going to have to be shamed to the workforce

731
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:04,239
from the home. And I think most Americans still have

732
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this kind of team America fuck yeah view of us

733
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,599
in world policing, and they have a generally triumphalistic center

734
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,119
right view of us. Even leftists, I think even feminists

735
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,280
would have this and they'd say, yeah, we don't. We

736
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,320
have too much liberty here to go for the simone

737
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,719
de Beauvoir and everything you're saying about. You know that

738
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,599
you produced with the Biden doc proves that it's not

739
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,280
that way, actually left right center in America. You're wrong

740
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:40,760
if you assume that they, you know, the crypto the

741
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,559
shadow left feels above using outright coercion and force to

742
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:50,320
get women out of the workforce, out of the home

743
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and into the workforce. Or the women who are returning

744
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,679
to the home, that they're not above using force to

745
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,280
to keep them in the workforce now that they've they've

746
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,840
left the home for the work force. So I think

747
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,440
it's just it's really important that I said, interrogate it

748
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:11,239
reinterrogate your own assumptions, general listeners as to what you

749
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,599
think the American government will do, what it will stoop

750
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to to keep women in the workforce. They have, like

751
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:22,400
I think Nick Rockefeller said, Jay talks about this frequently

752
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,719
to his buddy. You know, they have two major incentives

753
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,719
for keeping women out of the home and in the workforce.

754
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,159
And it's double the taxation scheme, And of course the

755
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,039
big one is controlling hearts and minds of both women

756
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,280
and the children that'll be forced out of the homes.

757
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,239
As the women are forced of the homes, women or

758
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,559
children have to go to daycare. When women have to

759
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,440
they decide they want to go to work. So I

760
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,960
think it's really important that people realize it's not just

761
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:54,320
shame that American feminism uses the way that a lot

762
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,559
of people have read that dialogue, that the paradigm is

763
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,960
actually both banned. It's Elton suspenders, it's shame plus.

764
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,639
Speaker 6: Fource well you know, and and Jay you can you

765
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,039
can respond to this here too. That's why I still

766
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,480
I don't watch political rallies. I don't watch when people

767
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,960
when one campaign or like I can't tell you the

768
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,480
last time I watched a Trump rally, and all the

769
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:20,519
times that he has been out there campaigning, either for

770
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:26,480
midterm or his own his own presidency, I can't watch that.

771
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,159
I barely watch anything that is very but I do watch.

772
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: I do watch No.

773
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Speaker 6: King's Day, Man on the Street stuff like whenever they

774
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,599
when I've realized that they were out there protesting again

775
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:41,400
over the past week.

776
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:43,679
Speaker 2: I do watch that stuff. Whenever it comes up.

777
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 6: I'll note it and I just it's so it's so

778
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:51,519
revealing you're not going to learn anything from people. But

779
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:55,840
as far as being able to really examine how people

780
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:02,719
an animal reacts after so much inundation from the state,

781
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,000
from whatever the hell they're they're whatever the the baseline

782
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,880
programming they got in school or anything else. It's crazy

783
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,159
to see what how people are functioning just as humans

784
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,559
right now and what they are trying to articulate what

785
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:18,760
they have no choice to articulate, but they are still

786
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,199
running on someone else's programming and you can't reach them

787
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:26,079
like that's that's that's a that's really uh frustrating. So

788
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:27,480
I'm glad that we all have a good sense of

789
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,320
humor because everything we discussed here tonight is really just

790
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,320
the way that it comes to fruition and the way

791
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,039
that it comes to the surface in uh an average

792
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,880
people who are at least you know, they get they're

793
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:41,079
driven out into the streets whenever somebody snaps their fingers.

794
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,800
I mean, you can see the programming is just it's

795
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,800
not that's irreversible stuff. What do you jay real quick

796
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,199
on that before we get to the last topic of.

797
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: The night, wait, sense of humor, I would say the

798
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,599
litmus test is anybody that doesn't crack a smile when

799
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,280
when one of us up here says, put the penis

800
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,320
in the poopol, I don't want to. I just had

801
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,480
h said that shit, and I'm like smiling like a goon.

802
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,639
And if you think that's serious, then I don't want

803
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,719
to hang out with you. Man, I gotta get But I.

804
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: Mean, like, I'm serious. It blows my mind that if

805
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,360
you just stop and think.

806
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,559
Speaker 5: From in and about like identity and imagine making that

807
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:20,599
your identity just just disgusting.

808
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: Like my identity is getting shit on my dick from

809
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,480
some other dude's butthole. That's that's me. That is my identity.

810
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:28,400
How dare you?

811
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: It's just so bizarre and weird and it has to

812
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,079
be demonic, right, And that's essentially why we say that

813
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:36,320
it's an unnatural act.

814
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's just it doesn't.

815
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:44,039
Speaker 5: It's the funny thing about that document is that the

816
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,440
very thing that supposedly the CIA was warning about in

817
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:50,960
the Cold War that would happen if the Soviets and

818
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,559
the Communist took over America is exactly what that new

819
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,639
that CIA document that you're talking about they got retracted.

820
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Speaker 3: It's exactly what that is. And that crazy.

821
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's funny, I heard Jay.

822
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:02,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

823
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:05,639
Speaker 6: Before we get onto this last thing here, I'm going

824
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,800
through a I'm going through what is going to be

825
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,159
at least two years worth of work on my personal

826
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archives that I've had to take off the Internet several

827
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,480
times when the purging around here started getting so bad.

828
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And the one thing that I'm having the really amazing,

829
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,360
uh you know, privilege of doing is revisiting all of

830
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,960
these incredible classic interviews and guest appearance that I was

831
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:36,119
appearances I've I've done with people, and between the Jay

832
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:40,440
Dyer and Timothy Gordon appearances, I mean, I can have

833
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,679
full playlists just dedicated to you guys showing up. It's

834
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,719
just awesome to see these shows throughout the years. And

835
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,960
what the reason why I'm bringing this up right now

836
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:54,760
is because there was a time not too long ago

837
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,119
that Jay was very very reserved with with how he

838
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:01,199
would say certain things or everything. And you still do it,

839
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,440
tiny mustache man, But you know that that's one of

840
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:05,039
my favorites.

841
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, YouTube dude. Normally obviously

842
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,760
we would talk like normal dudes.

843
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 6: No, absolutely, absolutely, But I love I love how it's

844
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,559
almost like right now, it doesn't even matter anymore, kind

845
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:18,920
of letting loose a little bit, you know, Skittles this,

846
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,559
Skittles that. But now we're just going full on ship

847
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:28,920
on dick. But anyway, let's let's just got.

848
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,519
Speaker 3: Disgusting to make some like a vile vice. Is the identity?

849
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,400
Isn't that bizarre?

850
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 5: So it's not your heritage, it's not your tradition, it's

851
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,679
not your family, your your race, your religion.

852
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:42,119
Speaker 3: Your identity is like has to do with feces.

853
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 6: But and this is the reason why I hate it.

854
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:47,840
I hate it so much where we are right now

855
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,280
because you know what I I don't I don't really

856
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,000
obsess over how people, how how people live. I just

857
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,000
want to want to take care of what's in what's

858
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,239
in front of me. But it's it is it is

859
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,639
that thing that is just so debasing to encourage people

860
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,559
to prioritize these things and have to be able to

861
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,639
put it out in front of you whenever you walk

862
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,599
walk into a room, because how else would you be

863
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:16,599
able to differentiate yourself from anybody else?

864
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: You have to be.

865
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:20,599
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying, though, is that it's been engineered

866
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,480
to become an identity. Yeah, and the social engineers have

867
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:27,599
been very perceptive to that, being able to sell advice

868
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,639
as a thing that identifies you, which is just bizarre

869
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:30,880
to me.

870
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 3: But anyway, I didn't mean to derail.

871
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: And do that.

872
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 6: But no, no, no, it's it's it's it's all part

873
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:37,800
of everything else. Here we're talking about subversion of society

874
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,519
and what would happen. Every time I see one of

875
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:46,000
those those pride flags that continue to they continue to

876
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:50,280
become more and more like kaleidoscopes every year, there's new

877
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:55,000
sections and new shapes that are they're becoming so fragmented

878
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:57,800
and crazy. But whenever I see one of those flags

879
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,480
in its latest form, that's all I think about, What

880
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:02,079
is it? What are we really talking about it? What

881
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:05,159
are you really what are you really signaling to the world?

882
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,039
And it's it's sick. It's sick that everybody wants to

883
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,639
stay on the on the top level of that. Anyway,

884
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,440
here's something I want to hear, something that might bring

885
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:14,079
us all together.

886
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:14,599
Speaker 2: Maybe not.

887
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:19,599
Speaker 6: You guys have had some very well viewed debates over

888
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:24,119
the last couple of years debating Catholic Orthodox teachings history,

889
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:28,400
you know, and it's it's wonderful to watch people really

890
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,360
enjoy that. It's we're learning more than we did in school.

891
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,639
But what I haven't heard you guys discuss enough, and

892
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,960
I don't know, maybe I just missed it, was what

893
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:41,199
the bare minimum criteria are that would need to be

894
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,320
agreed upon for there to be some acceptable communion between

895
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,119
the churches again, because I know it isn't all about

896
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:54,599
papal authority. So I have some questions, like, for example,

897
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:57,000
I had a person right into the show about a

898
00:53:57,079 --> 00:53:59,639
month or so ago, said Frank next time Jay and

899
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:05,000
and Tim Iron bring this up. And I think Michael

900
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:09,039
is writing from the standpoint of an orthodox Christian, says

901
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,039
Frank Rome needs to apologize for the Fourth Crusade, which

902
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:17,400
is still recalled vividly by Greeks return relics, which I

903
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,559
want to know specifically what that means, which relics were taken.

904
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,400
And then the pope, of course has the honor of

905
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:27,320
first among equals, but no right to interfere with the

906
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:34,079
traditional privileges of independent patriarchs. And that's what they brought

907
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:35,599
up when I said I wanted to talk to you

908
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:37,480
guys about reconciliation one day.

909
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,199
Speaker 2: So Jay, let's talk.

910
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 6: You start first, tell me first which relics, what is

911
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,000
he talking about with relics, and then go off and

912
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:49,039
just tell us what criteria need to be met in

913
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:53,360
your eyes, and then tim, you go, well, I.

914
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 5: Think that would be more of a minor thing. I

915
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,320
don't think the returning of verse relics is.

916
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: Necessarily It was interesting. It was interesting for me to

917
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,599
just I'm just curious.

918
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,119
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like so, over the years.

919
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 5: In the Middle Ages, when the schism was really solidifying,

920
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:17,320
the Byzantines would tend to draw with the Gould Byzantine lists.

921
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,960
And those lists are not definitive because they're just sort

922
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:25,400
of decentralized and they vary across different jurisdictions and whatnot.

923
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:28,800
But the idea is essentially that there's there are probably

924
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,400
about thirty, loosely speaking, issues that I think the Orthodox

925
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:39,440
Church would see as kind of non negotiables. More recently,

926
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,719
one of the most famous bishops of Greece, Metropolitan Seraphimpireus,

927
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,280
he wrote a letter to Francis when Francis was elected,

928
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,920
and it's more of a short book than it is

929
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,599
a letter, but there's probably about third thirty or so.

930
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 3: I want to say. It's thirty I tweeted this back

931
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,480
at the time. I can go find the old tweet.

932
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:00,960
But I mean it would be several things.

933
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,159
Speaker 5: It would be like even to the point of like,

934
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:09,239
we couldn't really agree that you can forbid infants from

935
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,280
having communion in the Orthodox view, that was something that

936
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,639
was universal east and West before the Carolinian period when

937
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:18,480
it changed. Obviously the big ones would be like the

938
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,599
Filly o'quin, that kind of stuff. We couldn't agree to

939
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:24,599
the definition of lines in Florence. We could certainly agree

940
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:28,320
that there's a through that occurs, which is what you know,

941
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,079
our councils teach at blacker Nae.

942
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: Obviously you mentioned.

943
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 5: Earlier the papacy, but we could definitely agree to first

944
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,679
among equals and so nodality, but we would never agree

945
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,079
to universal premise and jurisdiction. So I think the main

946
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:49,519
issue is also though beyond those kind of theological lists

947
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,599
that could be made, as Rome has also sort of

948
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solidified its positions on a lot of these issues posts posts,

949
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:02,360
you know, second millennium. So if in the second millennium

950
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,920
these all these things that are dogmatized, there's not really

951
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,719
a way to unite the churches without kind of admitting, well,

952
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:14,559
the last thousand years of our dogmas were also incorrect.

953
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,519
So that's a huge sticking point. But beyond all that,

954
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:20,360
I want to stress too that and I think Tim

955
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,119
would agree with this point, even though I'm sure it

956
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,400
would disagree with the previous points. A lot of the

957
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,880
motivations for reunion in the present time are unfortunately not

958
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:33,280
based on true theology or doctrine.

959
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,239
Speaker 3: They're really based on a lot of.

960
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 5: Political factors, liberal kumbaya, let's just all get along to

961
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:43,719
pretend that we all agree factors. I can see that

962
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,320
geopoliticals the CIA in the State Department, actually have a

963
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:53,800
huge role in promoting acumenism, so that's another another issue.

964
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: But I mean, yeah, that's that's all I say for that.

965
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,119
Speaker 6: Okay, that's that's that seems a little bit more, a

966
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,840
little bit more comprehensive than I thought I would. I

967
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,280
have to I have to read these these thirty points,

968
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,480
that's for sure. But Tim, your your thoughts, because I

969
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:11,440
want I want to hear about this.

970
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: Well, when we talk about necessities, there's sort of counterintuitive.

971
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:24,440
There's permissive and there's mandatory necessities that of course the

972
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,159
Roman Catholic Church has been in such a seculum obscureum

973
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:33,719
with the recent popes over the last seventy years, that

974
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,159
things are so loosey goosey. You know, we we have

975
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,719
JP two signing the document, even with the Lutherans, that

976
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,760
it's like it. It sort of dwarfs the differences with

977
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:49,159
Eastern Orthodoxy in comparison, and that's that's not a good thing.

978
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,480
That's something that it's an area where you know, you

979
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,079
aim small and you miss small. I would agree with

980
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,000
Jay that minutia actually matters, and I would agree with

981
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:04,199
with Eastern Orthodo that we should not be diminishing intentionally

982
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:08,559
that which divides us, even though it's compared against the

983
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,559
Protestantism much much, much less capacious. I would say this,

984
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,159
this is one perfect example of what I mean as

985
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:21,280
regards the Phillyoque. A lot of folks don't understand that

986
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,840
after the Union of Florence, in order to keep other

987
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:32,159
congregations or churches that might have followed, you know, the Russians,

988
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:35,599
after the Council of Florence, the Roman Catholic Church was

989
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:40,920
making concessions to Eastern Catholics. Stay Catholic and we will

990
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,400
let you have your liturgy and that's why we have

991
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,400
all of these, you know, twenty one rights in the

992
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,639
Catholic Church, which is ridiculous. We can't have the Tridentine

993
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,000
Latin Mass as normal as the Roman right, but everyone

994
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:57,000
else in the East can have an Eastern Catholic right.

995
00:59:57,079 --> 01:00:00,599
That's sort of a side issue, but they got some

996
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,360
goodies for staying Catholic, so the Eastern Catholic rights uh,

997
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:08,119
technically aren't even required anymore. A lot of people don't

998
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:11,719
know this to recite the phillyoquay when they say the

999
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,159
Creed at Mass, that they can omit the Philly Oquay

1000
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,800
during the Creed. It's it's it's kind of bullshit. But

1001
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,559
you know, the church has been lucy goossy for the

1002
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:25,559
better part of one hundred years now, and this enabled

1003
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,639
these these people to not only keep their liturgy, but

1004
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:34,400
they don't really even have to say what that which

1005
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:37,719
divided them. All they had to do was be for

1006
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,599
the papacy. So it's one of these periods that's a

1007
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:42,760
second and obscure where we have such a such a

1008
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:47,960
it's been called a pornocracy before uh, periods where we

1009
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,960
get bad popes that it almost seems like we're straining

1010
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,199
at NATS to talk about that which divides us, but

1011
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,639
obviously that the papacy. We'd have to agree to terms

1012
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,400
once for all. What what does universal jurisdiction require? Not

1013
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,400
just what does it mean? But what does it require?

1014
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:08,679
Tends to be the more important constitutional term. And you know,

1015
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,559
just look at modeling from what did you guys accept

1016
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:18,519
in terms of what universal primacy of universal jurisdiction required

1017
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,840
in the first millennium? What were you on board for?

1018
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:21,679
Speaker 3: What are you not?

1019
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,719
Speaker 2: This would require a straightening out of Vatican One, which

1020
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,400
is a little bit of a man I'm one of

1021
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,239
the Catholics as a papal minimalist, I'm always saying, it's

1022
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,639
not just Vatican two that needs to be straightened out,

1023
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,000
it's also Vatican One. And it's more understandable the impetus

1024
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,239
for the need for the straightening out of Vatican One

1025
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:42,440
because it was interrupted by the Franco Prussian War, and

1026
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,800
they really only accomplished the first half, which was outlining

1027
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:51,119
adumbrating the sovereign powers of the pontiff his collegial friend

1028
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,320
brother bishops, was what they were going to tend to next.

1029
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,599
That was the other half of the purpose. Of Vatican One,

1030
01:01:56,679 --> 01:02:00,000
and unfortunately the Franco Prussian War broke out, they didn't

1031
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:04,119
even close the Council until right before Vatican two, so

1032
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,719
further best hundred years.

1033
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, So okay, So I guess we're much farther away

1034
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:12,199
than we think, maybe a few life maybe a few

1035
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,039
lifetimes away, because what you're essentially saying, Tim, is that

1036
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,559
the current state of Rome is so messy that we

1037
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:23,679
needed about one hundred and fifty years just to just

1038
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:27,239
just to button up the problems that are that are

1039
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,760
there within just within their their ranks like that.

1040
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,599
Speaker 2: Just yeah, I mean, the Philly Oquay was always I

1041
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:36,519
would say this, this is kind of this is sort

1042
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,519
of light at the end of the tunnel from the

1043
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,559
Catholic point of view, because things have been lenient on

1044
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:46,280
the Philly Oquay, theologically lenient well before Vatican too. And

1045
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,360
it's not just nonsense. They're they're actually stricter on identifying

1046
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,800
what what separates Catholic and Orthodox than we are. Well,

1047
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,199
we we could kind of Philly Oquay the Catholic position

1048
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,679
even before Attican two and things got old hairy, would

1049
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,159
be probably less of a less of a big deal

1050
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,159
from a Catholic perspective than an Orthodox perspective. The papacy

1051
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:16,840
and identifying what's required by the Catholic adambration of the

1052
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:19,679
papacy is really going to be the big one. And

1053
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,960
then we would have to We have attempted to apologize

1054
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:26,360
for the Fourth Crusade. I think John Paul the Second

1055
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:34,400
returned like Chrysostom and Nazi Ensen first Order rout or something. Yeah,

1056
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:38,039
and that was bad. The Fourth Crusade was bad. And

1057
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:41,000
you know, I mean, say what you will about the

1058
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:46,199
jqu I certainly do on Twitter these days, but you know, guys, yeah,

1059
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,239
was getting crazy up in here with regard to even Jerusalem.

1060
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,119
So Fourth Crusade got got wild. And we have tried

1061
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:57,840
to apologize, and some of the relics are are have

1062
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:01,679
been restored from the Fourth Crusade. But I would also

1063
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,840
say the other important one that doesn't get a lot

1064
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,960
of play. I'm curious what Jay would say with this

1065
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,639
is the in terms of the species of the sacrament

1066
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,599
that you know, you know, we would have to have

1067
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,320
some sort of agreement as to levend or on Levened.

1068
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,480
That's probably a bigger deal for Orthodox than even Us.

1069
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 6: But you know, because I wouldn't even know what we're

1070
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,719
talking Orthodox they can come to a Catholic church. They

1071
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,519
can they can receive communion, but we would not be

1072
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,000
able to receive at an Orthodox church.

1073
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:34,719
Speaker 2: Is that right, Jay?

1074
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:38,599
Speaker 3: Correct? Okay?

1075
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,559
Speaker 6: I thought it was something like that. Oh, either way, Jay,

1076
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:44,280
respond to what he said before. I know, I only

1077
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,559
have you to the top of the hour, so I

1078
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:46,599
don't want to keep you too long.

1079
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:53,199
Speaker 3: I mean, I have time. But what exactly what was

1080
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,480
the question? I apologized, No, Tim, what did you bring up?

1081
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: What would you just say? That is something I was saying,

1082
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,760
the Philly Philly oquay. We tend to take a less

1083
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,840
capacious view of the that which divides us on the

1084
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:09,360
on the issue of the phillyoquay, and and that that

1085
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:12,119
one I think could have from a Catholic perspective, could

1086
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:16,000
probably actually be worked out, not just because of the

1087
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:20,480
fruitiness of the recent Seculum obscurum, the Vatican two secular obscirum.

1088
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:25,119
I'm saying, along legitimate Catholic measuring grounds, we could we

1089
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:28,960
could probably work out the Philly oquay from a Catholic perspective.

1090
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,079
I think they would. They would have more sticking points there.

1091
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:34,280
But the papacy things, the big one, and then I

1092
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,199
also just said levend Or on Levin. That's that's that's

1093
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,039
that's what, that's what the real thing I want.

1094
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:42,039
Speaker 3: The eleven those are all one definitely ones that would

1095
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:42,679
make the list.

1096
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 5: Like I said, much Falton Star from the Prayas list,

1097
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:48,119
those are all in there for sure. The only thing

1098
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:50,360
I would say about the Phillioque is, well, the Vatican

1099
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,639
put out their statement on the Philly okay, which was

1100
01:05:54,119 --> 01:05:56,119
I won't say in the nineties. It's just called like

1101
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:58,199
the Vatican Statement on the Phillioquay, and it's like a

1102
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,880
thirty page essay, which you know, so it was important,

1103
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,239
you know, Theological Commission essay that was approved by the

1104
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,280
Pope back of the time. And it does concede quite

1105
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,800
a bit and it recognizes most of the Eastern critiques.

1106
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:19,280
But the problem is that there is one phrase towards

1107
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,280
the end of it where it says the two views

1108
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:26,000
are still intentioned over the issue of the Father as.

1109
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,679
Speaker 3: The soul cause or arkae.

1110
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 5: So it basically admits and still kind of restates what

1111
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,599
I was saying earlier that Lions and Florence have already

1112
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,199
kind of dogmatized in a double eternal Hypostidic procession view.

1113
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,280
And if they had not dogmatized that phrase from Augustina

1114
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,440
on the Trinity, then it might have been easier to

1115
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:49,800
make that work with like the cop of Docean model

1116
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,760
of the Father as the soul arka. But aside from

1117
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,119
the Philly oquay, I think there's are other issues too

1118
01:06:56,199 --> 01:07:01,199
that probably Roman Catholics don't see as an important that

1119
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,519
we would see as important. For example, the notion of

1120
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:08,199
creative grace is something that we could never accept. There's

1121
01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:09,639
other things that we would disagree with too, like to

1122
01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:12,559
be a Tipig vision, so you know, those kinds of

1123
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:16,079
things are things that could just not never be accepted

1124
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:20,079
by an Orthodox person. So the fact that you have

1125
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,480
Uni its allowed to do that, we would actually argue

1126
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,719
that's actually a net negative because if you look at

1127
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,639
the way that the Second and Third Council speak of

1128
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:34,519
the Creed, they speak of it like there's one creed.

1129
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:39,079
And even if you think the and I think Tom

1130
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:40,880
was actually kind of hinting at this, even if you

1131
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:46,320
think that the philioque could be left out, well, if

1132
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,400
it's there, you're supposed to say it, because the Second

1133
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,400
and Third Councils necessitate say there's only one creed, and

1134
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:58,599
after ephesis the Canons say you can't change it. So

1135
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,599
even if the change was in it, then the Unia

1136
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,079
should still say the Philly oquay, because that's that's the

1137
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:08,599
rule of the church, is that there's one creed, so

1138
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:11,239
there shouldn't be too crees in the church. And we

1139
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,039
would argue that that's actually a net negative and shows

1140
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:18,520
that the Orthodox tradition is correct in preserving the original

1141
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,880
wording of the creed. So but aside from that, again,

1142
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:27,119
there's other issues too that I think we wouldn't I mean,

1143
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:29,600
I mean again beyond even like the theological stuff, like

1144
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,479
there's you know, there's issues that are brought up by

1145
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:37,239
betch Balitan Surferm and his letter, like you know, the

1146
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:41,079
geopolitical entainlements of the Vatican. And I'm not saying that, oh, well,

1147
01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:44,239
the Russian patriarch has he has the political entainlements. You know,

1148
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,039
there's a specific idea that you know, the Vatican be

1149
01:08:47,119 --> 01:08:49,199
its own city state, that it can have its own

1150
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,079
you know, Vatican Bank, all that kind of stuff. Like

1151
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:54,359
we would have issues with that stuff too, given the

1152
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:58,680
fact that, for example, the ancient Canons forbid clergy from

1153
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,840
being involved in the civil state. So I'm not saying

1154
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,880
that the real the Orthodox have been completely free from that.

1155
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,640
It's still wrong when the Orthodox do it. If there

1156
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,439
was a Russian bishop in the seventy hundreds that went

1157
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,600
to battle, like, still not right to do that. So

1158
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,880
for us, even though even though they might not seem

1159
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,760
like major issues to Rouman Catholic we would see those

1160
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,840
things that's still problematic because it's a confusing of the

1161
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,560
role of church and state. And as some Orthodox philosophers

1162
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,840
and historians have argued, and again I know somethe's going

1163
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,920
to disagree with this, but I would we theyafinitly make

1164
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,119
the argument that one of the reasons that you get

1165
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:43,640
that the idea of a secular state is because the

1166
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,119
papacy took on a role of the state, which there

1167
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:50,600
should be a Christian state, but it's the church isn't

1168
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:54,239
the state. So when you get the medieval papacy kind

1169
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,760
of taken on a lot of geopolitical power, we would

1170
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,680
argue that that's another very crucial historical iss that even

1171
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,640
though the post Vatican do papacy has kind of eschewed

1172
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,399
the idea both of a Christian state and the temporal

1173
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,039
supremacy of the Roman bishop. We would have to say

1174
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:11,600
that those that also have to be rejected.

1175
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,319
Speaker 2: Okay, oh there's a lot. There's a lot here.

1176
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,079
Speaker 6: I would definitely have to do like a micro topic

1177
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:20,439
or two with you guys down the line, just because

1178
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I learned a lot just from watching you guys not

1179
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:26,800
only publish on your own but also talk to each

1180
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,840
other that because there's there's there's a lot here for

1181
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,479
me too, I mean, just even with just the I

1182
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,760
mean my my personal reversion to going to church. Has

1183
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,720
it happened during Francis, you know, and then after you know,

1184
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,199
so I've almost like when it comes to the papency,

1185
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:49,279
I've also I've almost like I feel like I've I've

1186
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,239
learned to live without them.

1187
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 5: Can I add to Frank that to concede one of

1188
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,600
the points that Tim was making earlier. I mean, you've

1189
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:05,640
had pretty significant history of Greek Orthodox patriarchs and bishops

1190
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,640
also being freemasons. So I don't want to give the

1191
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,399
impression that I'm saying, oh, ha ha ha, you have

1192
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:12,520
all these problems in Rome.

1193
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 3: We don't have that.

1194
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 5: No, I think Bartholomew was as bad as Francis was,

1195
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,359
or any of these people and.

1196
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1197
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 5: I don't know Bartholo Ui is a Mason, but we

1198
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:24,600
do know that if you go back to like one

1199
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:30,079
hundred years the patriarch of Constantinople was an open freemason

1200
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,840
one hundred years ago. So it does the same type

1201
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,720
of subversion exists Orthodox Church theory. I'm just saying that

1202
01:11:37,039 --> 01:11:39,039
we should recognize it and admit that, not trying to

1203
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:40,920
give some false and no.

1204
01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 6: And that's where I get a lot of a lot

1205
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,319
of value out of out of listening to these discussions

1206
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:48,600
and being a part of it. I don't really see

1207
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,359
this as a debate, and I don't see myself as

1208
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:52,920
a moderator. But like for example, for instance, when I

1209
01:11:53,079 --> 01:11:55,439
when I, when I listened about you know, argument is

1210
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,840
about papal authority between the Orthodox and the Catholic Church,

1211
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:01,960
and Tim knows is about me because you know we've

1212
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,000
been friends all throughout the year. That I start getting

1213
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:07,279
closer and closer to the church again and just having

1214
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:09,319
that be a part of my life and giving myself

1215
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:13,199
over to it. You know, that was all during Francis's pontificate,

1216
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,760
and on a personal level, I believed he was a

1217
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:21,000
particularly wicked man, and especially when it comes to politics,

1218
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,880
it doesn't seem like Leo is too much of a

1219
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,840
radical departure from the standard of you know, what kind

1220
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,600
of a political figure are we used to the pope

1221
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,680
being over the course of however, many decades now, so

1222
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,319
I've kind of, like I said, learned to get along

1223
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,439
without the Pope since my reversion. And honestly, it wasn't

1224
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,000
very hard to do. I just go to Mass, you know,

1225
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,840
and I kind of like try to forget about what's

1226
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,800
going on in Rome. So it's almost like the judiciary

1227
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,439
in the United States with me. If the Chief Justice

1228
01:12:54,279 --> 01:12:58,000
stringently upholds the Constitution, then good on them, Good on them.

1229
01:12:58,079 --> 01:13:01,079
But if they don't take a peer purely, if they

1230
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:03,840
take a purely activist position on one thing or another,

1231
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,560
I feel like it's our duty, you know, And it

1232
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,680
rarely is done over here in the United States on

1233
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,600
a civic level, to ignore their opinion and to carry

1234
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,600
on with what you know is right. So I mean

1235
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,520
it just that's just when it comes. I gotta make

1236
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:18,079
a plug here.

1237
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: This is why pap minimalism is not some departure that's

1238
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,319
a novelty in the church from church tradition. Like papal minimalism,

1239
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,000
is the way in the nine hundreds there is something

1240
01:13:31,079 --> 01:13:34,720
called the secondlum obscureum. It was a pornocracy, is what

1241
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:40,600
church historians, well reputed church historians called it, of men

1242
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,760
who are so bad, hopes who are so bad. This

1243
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,640
is before even you know, ten fifty four, that you

1244
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,000
could only say these guys, these are some of the

1245
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:51,359
worst men in the world, doing some of the worst things.

1246
01:13:52,079 --> 01:13:54,840
And it's kind of the norm. I mean, if you

1247
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,880
look at the Avignon papacy or the Great Western Schism

1248
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,359
which followed not Great Schism, but the the Avignon papacy,

1249
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,960
when most of Western Christendom, because it was after ten

1250
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,800
to fifty four, didn't know who was pope, the French

1251
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,439
guy or the Roman guy. And then at some later

1252
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,279
point fifty years later there was a Peasan, So there's

1253
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,079
a peas in contender for pope, a Roman, a Frenchman.

1254
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:21,720
People lived their entire seventy five year lifespan not knowing

1255
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,720
who was really the pope. You know, four hundred years

1256
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,079
before that you had the secular mubscurrum. We've had periods

1257
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:32,479
in the sixteen hundreds with really bad pope secularm obscurum.

1258
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,840
So the pope is a guy that's supposed to roost

1259
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,520
on the doctrines of the church. He is not what

1260
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,279
has been suggested by even so many Catholics, by the

1261
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:47,920
pope splanners out there. And it's really important to Catholic

1262
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:53,199
identity that we set our expectations appropriately for scale slash scope,

1263
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,600
because if you think that the pope has to be

1264
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:58,760
a really holy guy, you know, get with forty eight

1265
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,439
of the first forty nine popes were really holy guys,

1266
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,760
they're saints. Since then, we haven't had many saints. Since then,

1267
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,399
We've had about two hundred and thirty popes and only

1268
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:10,439
about thirty of them have been two hundred and twenty

1269
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,640
popes and only about thirty of them have been saints.

1270
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,039
We've had a lot of really bad and mediocre men

1271
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:17,720
in that time and that's nothing new. So the way

1272
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,279
you returned under Francis, and stats are showing a lot

1273
01:15:21,359 --> 01:15:23,960
of zoomers returned under Francis, a lot of zoomers are

1274
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,520
going Orthodox as well. They're widespread coming to the realization

1275
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:34,760
that Protestantism is just Enlightenment secularism with Jesus so a

1276
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,279
lot of new Catholics and a lot of new Orthodox.

1277
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:41,520
The pope doesn't matter for that. The pope is there

1278
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,760
because we say we do need a visible sign of

1279
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,479
unity on earth. But it's in the office, not the man.

1280
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,039
So what you're describing is not a foible of postmodernity

1281
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,600
or a foible of even the twentieth first century. We've had.

1282
01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:58,800
We've had bad popes all along, after those first forty nine,

1283
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,520
almost all of them but one we're saints. We've had

1284
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,479
a run of mostly mediocre or worse men. So that's

1285
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,840
important I think for Catholics to understand that, Well, it's good.

1286
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 6: We're all we're all flawed, that's the good thing. I'm

1287
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,119
always just wondering about salvation. I just want, I just

1288
01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:19,119
I just want to go and hang out in heaven

1289
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,640
with you guys one day, and everybody in the audience,

1290
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,600
if we can all just just hang out in heaven

1291
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,439
one day, that'll be a good thing. And uh, And

1292
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,279
that's what I'm just trying to get to the bottom

1293
01:16:28,319 --> 01:16:29,840
of here. Hey, would you guys be able to be

1294
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,960
the best man to a friend of yours who doesn't

1295
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:36,680
belong to either your church or uh taking part in

1296
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,439
an interfaith marriage or something like that. Would you would

1297
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,560
you have would you be able to accept that, to

1298
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,960
be to bear witness to that in an official capacity

1299
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,680
or or is there is that a no go?

1300
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 2: Are you all answer versus Jay still there? It's it's

1301
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,560
a weird uh, nothing in the Mids. So if it's

1302
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:02,039
any kind of other Christian deni domination, then the answer

1303
01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:06,520
is no. If it's a straight up court secular wedding, yeah,

1304
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,119
Catholics are even weirdly at that. If it's like, as

1305
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,319
long as you're not on the green, then fine, But

1306
01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:14,600
if you're close to the whole on the green then

1307
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:15,800
then if.

1308
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 6: So, if you're you're just going to a civil union,

1309
01:17:19,079 --> 01:17:21,560
if you're going to to a courthouse, the bear witness that,

1310
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,079
you can do that. But you couldn't show up and

1311
01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:26,960
be a best man to two friends who are Protestants.

1312
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: You could show up to the wedding, Uh, but you

1313
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,119
could be the best man. You couldn't take a role.

1314
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,600
It depends. It depends on whether or not it would

1315
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,720
be it would involve a religious role. But generally speaking,

1316
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,960
think of it like that, nothing in the Mids, Okay,

1317
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,479
and it couldn't You couldn't go to a courthouse. If

1318
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:49,159
it was an apostate who was like or a Catholic

1319
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:52,760
who was duty bound to have a Catholic wedding, then no,

1320
01:17:53,119 --> 01:17:54,800
you couldn't do it. But if it was just your

1321
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:58,000
secular buddy and he's just getting married at the courthouse,

1322
01:17:58,079 --> 01:18:00,119
yeah you could go and celebrate with him, and I

1323
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:04,199
guess try not to be annoying, bit evangelize or whatever. Jay,

1324
01:18:04,279 --> 01:18:06,600
what about you? Is there any is there anything that

1325
01:18:07,239 --> 01:18:08,479
it's a no go for you?

1326
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 3: Well?

1327
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,319
Speaker 5: Probably, like Tim said, you know, there could be some

1328
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,920
situations where one's priest or bishop could give the approval

1329
01:18:19,079 --> 01:18:23,560
to attend at varying levels and capacities. For us, it's

1330
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,600
more so exactly what level of participation would be required

1331
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,640
in the ritual or the act, So I mean standing

1332
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,600
at the altar or something like that of a so

1333
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,680
called altar of a Protestant church, stuff like that. It

1334
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,079
might be there might be an allowance that one spiritual

1335
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:41,399
father or bishop could give for something, But we're still

1336
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:46,199
bound by the ancient canons, particularly like Trello and Quintessex,

1337
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:50,720
that say that you cannot participate in the worship at schismatic,

1338
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:56,600
heretical or Muslim or synagogues. It doesn't mention Muslims yet,

1339
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,840
but you can't. You can't go to synagogues or heretical

1340
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:05,159
sex for worships. So only under certain approved circumstances could

1341
01:19:05,239 --> 01:19:09,720
one participate in some ritual at that capacity.

1342
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 6: Okay, figured Night asked. I thought that was interesting, I

1343
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,159
throw in there. Well, listen, fellas, this has been wonderful

1344
01:19:16,399 --> 01:19:18,560
just to be able to catch up with you guys again.

1345
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,800
I've got we've got some good news, you know, to

1346
01:19:22,319 --> 01:19:24,920
jump into with the with what's going on in France.

1347
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,560
I'm sure that that'll give us some things to talk

1348
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,800
about over the course of the summer. I'm sure, I'm

1349
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,359
sure we'll be able to be uh talk about the

1350
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,960
UFO disclosures coming soon.

1351
01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 3: That sigh.

1352
01:19:36,319 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 5: By the way, I can't believe I found this old tweet.

1353
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,000
I did actually find under I put it underneath your

1354
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:47,720
show here. I did find that list from six years

1355
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:48,840
ago that I put on Twitter.

1356
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:50,319
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now.

1357
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 5: Oh, thirty one thirty one issues that Metropolitans Seraphim A.

1358
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:59,239
Speaker 3: Praus lists. He's just following the sort of the Byzantine

1359
01:19:59,279 --> 01:19:59,960
lips model. There.

1360
01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 6: Okay, perfect, now, okay, So I'm gonna be reading through

1361
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,520
that later on. This will just be another one that's

1362
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,560
at the add to the the archive here.

1363
01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 5: So Jay the actual letter too, it's you're interested, and

1364
01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:16,600
it's funny because he he says quite a bit of

1365
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,920
a sassy stuff to to Francis Seraphim's letter.

1366
01:20:21,039 --> 01:20:23,359
Speaker 2: I see that over here too, all right, so I

1367
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:23,880
like both of it.

1368
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:24,079
Speaker 3: All.

1369
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:27,199
Speaker 2: Is that the Kyle Serafim letter.

1370
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:33,560
Speaker 3: No, it's Metropolitan Seraphim a paras in Greece. He's prominent.

1371
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:39,119
Speaker 5: He's like a prominent traditional Orthodox priest and Greece that like,

1372
01:20:39,239 --> 01:20:41,840
he still does the anathemas and he'll stay, he'll he'll

1373
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,600
stay like you know, in the Anathema service on on

1374
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,359
Sunday of Orthodoxy, trying for Orthodoxy for the high cons

1375
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:54,920
he'll still say like Zionists are uh actually anathema, He'll say,

1376
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,159
Joeah's Witnesses are anathema. So he's kind of known for

1377
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:00,600
like because in other words that like the left.

1378
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 2: Taste this right, Okay, Well, I got a lot of

1379
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:05,800
good stuff to this.

1380
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,279
Speaker 6: This is another good one, guys, And I'd love to

1381
01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:10,279
have you guys back on some time over the course

1382
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:12,960
of the summer perhaps who the hell knows, but Jay,

1383
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:14,880
let everybody know where you're going to be next, because

1384
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,239
your tour is not done yet, right.

1385
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,560
Speaker 5: Uh No, most of the interviews haven't even come out yet,

1386
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,560
only a couple of them have. But I think the

1387
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,720
Jesse Lee Peters someone is going to be really funny.

1388
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,319
We had a pretty humorous debate about the Trinity and

1389
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:36,399
the d D. Christ we had, I think my John

1390
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:37,760
Kurioku interview.

1391
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,319
Speaker 3: He had me on. I think that's going to be

1392
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:40,119
one of the highlights.

1393
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:42,039
Speaker 5: That one came out really well, so it was really

1394
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:45,560
cool to talk to, you know, really prominent former CIA

1395
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,520
operative and also Orthodox by the way. So I think

1396
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,600
those are going to be the hot ones coming out.

1397
01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:54,079
There's a bunch more that still haven't dropped. But I

1398
01:21:54,119 --> 01:21:57,439
will also be on back with Carold Crowder as co

1399
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,680
host and Tim just went on with Gerald recently, but

1400
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:01,960
I don't know what we're talking about. Last time, we

1401
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,840
had a pretty interesting exchange about Christian Zionism. So we

1402
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,760
have that one and then I think everything everything else

1403
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:10,920
will be leaking out slowly.

1404
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:13,039
Speaker 6: I saw that one. I think I saw that one.

1405
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:16,359
I'm looking forward to jesse Lee Peterson. He's a he's

1406
01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:18,920
an og and what else?

1407
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 2: What else there?

1408
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, if there's something I can bring you guys

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01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,680
both on to talk about as a group again one night,

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01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,079
it would be the Trinity. I still have so many

1411
01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:32,640
questions about the Trinity. And and just when I think

1412
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,600
where it's starting to sink in and it all flows

1413
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,640
logically for me, I lose it and I start and

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01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,880
I start, you know, researching again and trying to get

1415
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:42,920
that understanding back.

1416
01:22:43,039 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 2: So for two guys like yourselves who have really.

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01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 6: Have really digested this and and uh and and understand it,

1418
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:55,479
I need you to make that complex math simple for me.

1419
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,399
So it'll uh, that'd be wonderful if we can have

1420
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,800
you guys back just to talk about that in the future.

1421
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 2: Jan and I were having a meal after the second

1422
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,199
debate we did last summer, and we were like, let's

1423
01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:10,159
let's not do anymore of these because that one went

1424
01:23:10,279 --> 01:23:15,399
like five hours on I guess Elijah Shaeffer and so yeah,

1425
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,840
as long as it's as long as we're cool not debating.

1426
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,079
I'm focusing on debating bronze sexuals on Twitter right now,

1427
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:26,520
and I'm gonna be debating shadows Kestenbaum hopefully on peers.

1428
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:29,079
Speaker 3: Man, are you serious? I tried that he would not

1429
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:30,560
debate me, and you got him to debate you.

1430
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,520
Speaker 2: Well, Carrie said, look, I want I want you to

1431
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,520
debate Tim for me. I don't want to do it.

1432
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:37,920
And I was like, who would want to debate a

1433
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,199
girl anyway shadows, even if you're a Jew. But so

1434
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:49,079
so yeah, supposedly it's gonna happen, you know, he debating.

1435
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 3: That.

1436
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 2: I don't know because he says he doesn't want it

1437
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,319
to be theology. I was like, well, because you have

1438
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,039
no because right your temple fellons.

1439
01:23:57,079 --> 01:23:59,119
Speaker 5: That is exactly what he turned out. So we were

1440
01:23:59,159 --> 01:24:03,119
going to debate Chris Zionism and should Christians support you know,

1441
01:24:03,279 --> 01:24:05,279
the Temple and Israel and all this stuff, and he

1442
01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:06,119
said no, So.

1443
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't for for obvious reasons. He doesn't want it

1444
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,479
to be theology. But I just want to be on

1445
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,960
there and talk about well, you know, ask him, ask

1446
01:24:15,079 --> 01:24:17,840
him some basic questions about Judeo Christian because he's a

1447
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,600
big supporter of Judeo Christian should be a thing. And

1448
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,119
uh my brother was even telling me, hey, just ask

1449
01:24:23,239 --> 01:24:26,520
him the basics, man, like well what you know, what

1450
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,920
do you guys believe? About Jesus. That's really what I

1451
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:30,680
would want to ask him, like, why don't you tell us,

1452
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:32,840
why don't you say it instead of hushing it? Is

1453
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,079
it anti semitic? Task? What Jews believe about you?

1454
01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:38,279
Speaker 3: Like, tell me what I mean. Look, let's just be honest.

1455
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,239
Speaker 5: Talmudic Rabbinic Judaism in the second third, fourth century is

1456
01:24:43,319 --> 01:24:48,560
solidified partly in antithesis to the rise of Christianity, right,

1457
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,359
So it's literally defined out of opposing Christianity.

1458
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,199
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, that's all you want. You just want it

1459
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:56,439
from the horse's mouth because they're always saying maybe this

1460
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,359
Yeshu is not the real issue. It's like stop, just stop, dude,

1461
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,479
you know we But anyway, I frank to answer your

1462
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:08,039
question that that's something upcoming for me. Number two, I

1463
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:10,199
would I would come back and do a trinity thing.

1464
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:12,800
If it's like, hey, what is what did the Catholics believe?

1465
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,560
What Orthos believe? That that would be right.

1466
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 6: Also, there's there's differences, there's differences on that on that

1467
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:18,239
respect too.

1468
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: Then yeah, that's that's that what Jay was referring to

1469
01:25:23,039 --> 01:25:25,880
when he was talking about, you know, the Cappadocian view

1470
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,880
of the Trinity versus the Augustinian view of the trinity.

1471
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,600
That's what that's what the Philly okoye really okay really

1472
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,800
is It's not from from the Creed.

1473
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 3: Huge.

1474
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we could solidify those in Layman's England. When

1475
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,119
you're going at like combat like we were doing last summer,

1476
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,560
it's easy to devolve into the technical terms. But if

1477
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,720
we were doing sort of non combat, well here's our view,

1478
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:52,880
we could we could break it down.

1479
01:25:53,039 --> 01:25:57,159
Speaker 6: It's basically it's it's basically just just the concept of

1480
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,720
three in one that that that's just really uh that

1481
01:26:02,199 --> 01:26:03,560
I want to get into a one point.

1482
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 5: I think what Tim's saying, in which I agree, would

1483
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,560
be the best way to approach it is just to

1484
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,399
have like a back and forth where like you know,

1485
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,760
Tim says what his view is for x amount of time,

1486
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,520
five minutes, three minutes, whatever, and then I respond with

1487
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,720
the orthox position that way that we basically we're just

1488
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,239
stating positions. But yeah, we both have kind of wanted

1489
01:26:24,359 --> 01:26:27,239
to move on tossed you know, the same mold sort

1490
01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:29,840
of you know, because I mean, how many times you

1491
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,199
have to have like the papacy debatement had a million times,

1492
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:34,680
And like I told Tim back then like, you know,

1493
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,720
I'm actually enjoying quite a bit debating other topics, right

1494
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,439
because I've been debating theology stuff for twenty years, twenty

1495
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,279
five years, so it's fun to actually get out here

1496
01:26:43,319 --> 01:26:46,920
and like debate briand Shapiro on his like atheism and

1497
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:51,600
relativism and politics and then you know, anyway, now.

1498
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 6: I understand, I understood. I'm not I'm not actually interested

1499
01:26:55,079 --> 01:26:58,439
in hosting debates. I'm I'm actually just I just want

1500
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,720
to go here for I want to ask questions and

1501
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,479
be here for a dialectic because I learned something, you know, So.

1502
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 2: I have to tell you something though I forgot. I

1503
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,560
forgot to text you yesterday, so you might actually have

1504
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,319
to fly out here to South Mississippi for our thing

1505
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:17,000
because I got someone gave me Shia Labuff's number and

1506
01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:20,319
I tried it, and I'm not sure if I was

1507
01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:24,479
getting you, know fully fully lucid responses, but I was

1508
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,239
getting responses from from Shia, and so we might, you know,

1509
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,239
it was it was funny what he was responding with you,

1510
01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:32,000
saying he was going to go on to Francis run.

1511
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:32,840
Are you sure?

1512
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,359
Speaker 6: I'm sure you sure you weren't going to chat GPT

1513
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,079
that was pretending to be Shia Labuff. I'm pretty sure

1514
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:43,239
that's what we We should have all we all. Damn it,

1515
01:27:43,319 --> 01:27:45,159
I should have put that into the notes tonight. We

1516
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:48,319
should have spent a little bit more time actually assessing

1517
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:52,239
and breaking down and really just talking about his character

1518
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,079
arc Right now, I think it's Shilah buff character arcis

1519
01:27:55,119 --> 01:27:57,600
and credit. I know Jay you've been you commented on

1520
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:02,399
that there too. Damn it, I completely forgot until right now. Anyway, Anyway,

1521
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,680
maybe there's gonna be another chance sometime soon, but.

1522
01:28:05,159 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 3: Well we might.

1523
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,520
Speaker 2: You might have the chance to You said you're gonna

1524
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,000
fly down here interview with him, with me at this

1525
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:11,600
desk if I can get him to come out to

1526
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,359
my studio. You know, it's only ninety minutes from where

1527
01:28:14,359 --> 01:28:16,640
he lives. I also know what part of New Orleans

1528
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,439
he hangs out in because I go to New Orleans

1529
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:19,319
very frequently.

1530
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,319
Speaker 5: Why don't you include me in that I'm not far

1531
01:28:21,399 --> 01:28:23,520
from you, Tim, If I promise not to try to

1532
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,960
prop again with the Orthodoxy connect, no.

1533
01:28:28,399 --> 01:28:31,119
Speaker 2: I told you you're always welcome. So yeah, if I

1534
01:28:31,159 --> 01:28:33,640
get Shy out, we can all just hang out show him,

1535
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,680
you know, solidified. If all four of us can hang

1536
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:40,520
out that that'd be nuts. That'd grab Brett Farr.

1537
01:28:40,319 --> 01:28:44,159
Speaker 6: Who's down the street from me. Okay, it'll just be

1538
01:28:44,399 --> 01:28:47,279
a monthly crew. All right, Well listen to this might

1539
01:28:47,359 --> 01:28:49,800
be the start of something really interesting. All the best

1540
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:53,079
of both of you guys. Jasonalysis dot Com, Timothy J.

1541
01:28:53,239 --> 01:28:54,720
Gordon over here will go what's up?

1542
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1543
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 2: On YouTube? Could I ask everyone to give me a

1544
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,640
subscribe on YouTube? I've been having the weird trouble with

1545
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,039
anytime i'll hit I forget what it is, six sixty seven,

1546
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,920
four hundred, it'll drop. So I don't know what's going

1547
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,520
on with it. But I haven't been able to cross

1548
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,079
four hundred. It's odd.

1549
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 3: I know.

1550
01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 2: Ebbs and flows, and it's mostly EBB these days. It's

1551
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,159
so weird. But it's four hundred. It'll go to four

1552
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:20,439
hundred and it'll drop like the next second. So I'm

1553
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,079
just if people would would subscribe to my channel on

1554
01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:26,079
Timothy Gordon, I would really appreciate it. More than ordinary,

1555
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:27,640
I'd really appreciate it.

1556
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,199
Speaker 6: Subscribe, please subscribe to both of our guests here tonight.

1557
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:32,760
They're wonderful fellas. I can't wait to have them back.

1558
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:34,520
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. I'll talk to you soon.

1559
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:36,079
Speaker 3: Thanks a solutly.

1560
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:39,119
Speaker 5: By the way, I'm also I'm at one nine, so

1561
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,199
please help me get to two hundred thousand so we

1562
01:29:41,239 --> 01:29:42,920
can have a two hundred k party. And also as

1563
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,560
the Turk call you with three is out. People want

1564
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,680
to sign copies from my website. Jasonolsos dot Comy.

1565
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 2: There you go, Jasonolysis dot com, Timothyjgordon dot com. Rules

1566
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,920
for retrogrades. Get on out there, everybody, Thank you so much.

1567
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,199
Speaker 6: All right, take care of Jay later. All right, all right,

1568
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:09,359
everybody's on the brink of some great subscription goal. That's awesome. Jay,

1569
01:30:09,359 --> 01:30:11,840
you're gonna be crossing two hundred k. Well, you know,

1570
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,800
I'm only ninety seven thousand behind him. I'm only ninety

1571
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:16,840
seven thousand behind him.

1572
01:30:17,239 --> 01:30:18,159
Speaker 2: And if I can just.

1573
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:24,239
Speaker 6: Catch a wave something a little bit, a little bit

1574
01:30:24,279 --> 01:30:30,560
going on, but it'll happen, you know, it'll happen. I

1575
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,720
got a lot to read now, that's a good thing.

1576
01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:35,359
I have more stuff to do with you, guys. Let's

1577
01:30:36,199 --> 01:30:39,680
we have to talk about Christy Noan, Christy Nome's cross

1578
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:52,199
dressing husband flaunting giant fake tits. Oh my, you can't

1579
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:56,960
tell me she didn't know. I wonder what I wonder.

1580
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,640
It just really makes you wonder. We'll get into that

1581
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,920
in a set. Let me go into the chat and

1582
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:05,600
see what everybody's doing. Okay, here, Jay Britt says, yet

1583
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,640
another superb panel with Jay and Tim. Thanks Frank Star

1584
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,239
Karma sent a super chat. Oh that's by the way,

1585
01:31:11,239 --> 01:31:15,479
everybody that sent super chats tonight. Uh putting in six

1586
01:31:16,359 --> 01:31:20,920
silver quarters, gonna be giving away on Thursday night, my birthday.

1587
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,239
I'm giving you a present on Thursday night. The only

1588
01:31:24,319 --> 01:31:28,319
president I ask is show up, hit subscribe, hit the

1589
01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:32,439
notification bell, and send a super chat. So I'm giving

1590
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,720
you silver I'm also going to give you a CD.

1591
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,319
I'm also going to give you. I'm throwing in Jane

1592
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,239
Barlow's Field Guide because it's springtime now and you got

1593
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,039
have you You must go out there and get your

1594
01:31:44,359 --> 01:31:47,479
your garden in order, all of the medicinal guys, all

1595
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,199
the healing plants you need, and all the ways to

1596
01:31:50,279 --> 01:31:52,800
cultivate them and actually turn them into tinctures and saves

1597
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:57,159
and all that stuff awesome stuff. So that's just that's

1598
01:31:57,199 --> 01:31:59,960
complete right there. You need that for your home library,

1599
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,800
So send a super chat, you'll get in all right,

1600
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:03,680
let's take a call.

1601
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 2: Let's take some calls. Nine one four, two hundred two

1602
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:07,079
sixty nine.

1603
01:32:07,159 --> 01:32:10,319
Speaker 6: I'm leaving the lines open, and we're gonna get uh,

1604
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,239
We're gonna get into these the rest of these comments.

1605
01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:18,600
Let's see ex Irrational says awesome show. There's an amazing

1606
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,439
traditional Catholic Latin mass near me. I've been baptized and

1607
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,720
confirmed when I was younger, and I really want to

1608
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,159
get the wife into it so we can go together

1609
01:32:26,319 --> 01:32:30,600
and get baby JC baptized there. I know I should

1610
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,079
go more, but it's hard. I've never been to a

1611
01:32:34,199 --> 01:32:38,800
Latin Mass in my life. I would love to, Uh,

1612
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:45,199
Lauren says can Jay comment on the KGB in Russian

1613
01:32:45,279 --> 01:32:48,479
Orthodox Church, he said, they have their own issues with Mason's,

1614
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,880
but how about becoming a government arm.

1615
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 2: I did not see that in time, gonna bring it

1616
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,079
up though, he he, I don't know.

1617
01:32:57,399 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 6: Towards the end he did talk about their own pitfalls

1618
01:33:01,039 --> 01:33:06,560
and their own levels of you know, infiltration here, so

1619
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,720
maybe he saw the super chat. Maybe that's why he

1620
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:12,079
said that. Also to keep the playing field level. And yeah,

1621
01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:15,760
I'm not a debate guy. I'm not a debate guy

1622
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,439
I don't like, I consider, especially when they're friends too,

1623
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:25,119
I would be more than happy to bring on two

1624
01:33:25,239 --> 01:33:27,520
people who I don't really have too much a connection

1625
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:34,000
with other than my interest in their involvement or their

1626
01:33:34,119 --> 01:33:38,000
work within one or more categories of research or something,

1627
01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:42,560
and to be able to pit them in a civilized

1628
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,560
way against each other, to see what kind of position

1629
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:50,079
wins out, at least logically for me. So that's that's

1630
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:52,479
the position I always thought I would take whenever we

1631
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:59,680
finally do a flat earth show, because I'd rather have

1632
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:03,279
some he asks some really good questions from I don't

1633
01:34:03,319 --> 01:34:07,920
know a spherical earth standpoint, and see who comes out

1634
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,119
looking like they know what they're talking about.

1635
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 2: Uh eight, you're on the air.

1636
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Speaker 7: Go ahead, Hey, Frank Gary Marcano. I just wanted to say,

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01:34:18,399 --> 01:34:20,840
real quick, I want to hear their opinion next time

1638
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,920
you see those guys on cremation, because it was the

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01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,000
Haresy and Becautholicism until nineteen sixty three and it's still

1640
01:34:28,079 --> 01:34:29,039
been in Orthodoxy.

1641
01:34:30,079 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I was thinking about that when

1642
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:34,800
I was driving around today too, I said, should I

1643
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,600
ask them about cremation, more especially water cremation that we

1644
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,960
were talking about last night, where they're kind of like

1645
01:34:41,079 --> 01:34:42,960
composting people and turning them into.

1646
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 2: Sludge for crops.

1647
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 6: That that is more so with the whole water cremation

1648
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,520
where they kind of dissolve you in a vat of

1649
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:50,640
liquid or something like that.

1650
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 3: Oh.

1651
01:34:51,119 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 7: It interesting because I know one of the men proponents

1652
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,760
these days is the Neptune Society, and you're the ones

1653
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,760
like doing coral reefs and all that.

1654
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 2: You call them a Neptune Society.

1655
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1656
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 6: Neptu Society nationwide cremation provider established in nineteen seventy three,

1657
01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:12,479
specializing in affordable direct cremation and pre planning services. With

1658
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:16,520
over one hundred locations. They offer straightforward, often prepare prepaid

1659
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:23,399
cremation plans to simply simplify the process, including veterans benefits assistance,

1660
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,319
and ocean scattering options.

1661
01:35:27,039 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 7: But yeah, there were no cremations in the Western world

1662
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,479
before like the eighteen seventies, since ancient times.

1663
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 6: Really, Yeah, I've seen some I've seen some reels on

1664
01:35:38,079 --> 01:35:44,199
that priests from certain sects and traditions and all that stuff,

1665
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:48,600
you know, giving their their respective opinions on how on

1666
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:51,600
what that, what that really means.

1667
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,119
Speaker 7: Well, it used to be like for instance, the Roman

1668
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:59,079
Catholic Church dug up it's kind of horrible, but they

1669
01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:03,079
dug up the corpse of John Wycliffe and burned it

1670
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:07,720
as like a posthumous cremation, as like a punishment for

1671
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:08,600
being a heretic.

1672
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,560
Speaker 2: Jeez, jeez, Louise, that's it.

1673
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 7: And the burning, which is of the state kind of

1674
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,359
thing and all that, that's it.

1675
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 6: Just when you think you're getting into heaven, then somebody

1676
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,279
starts burning your body down at Earth.

1677
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 7: I think I think that God can, like you know,

1678
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,680
you could put you back together from dust in the

1679
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,359
corner of the universe. But it's just kind of rejecting.

1680
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,039
It's it's spitting in its face really.

1681
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know. It always leads to those very same comments.

1682
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,960
Thank you for the call, sir, All the same comments.

1683
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 6: What like last night when I was talking about that

1684
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,960
Oklahoma bill that was going to allow for human composting

1685
01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:47,119
over there. Of course that is a red state as

1686
01:36:47,159 --> 01:36:50,199
opposed to like the twelve or thirteen other states that

1687
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:53,840
are already doing the human composting that are all liberal.

1688
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,920
It's all the same thing with people in the chat rooms,

1689
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,119
aside from just being a chats and comments, as I

1690
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:04,439
from being like horrified and morbidly curious about the whole process.

1691
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,920
They also say, well, you know there are no new cemeteries.

1692
01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:12,800
Why are there no new cemeteries? And I looked into

1693
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,520
that thing, and it's not that there are no new cemeteries,

1694
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,720
but you think that there would be a lot more.

1695
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:22,119
Speaker 2: You really do?

1696
01:37:22,399 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 6: You think that there'd be a lot more. And I

1697
01:37:26,039 --> 01:37:30,640
guess the cremation has kind of offset that in a way.

1698
01:37:31,039 --> 01:37:33,239
But most people will think, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,

1699
01:37:34,199 --> 01:37:39,399
that's in the food. We've been eating the bodies ourselves. Man,

1700
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,760
I remember when, was it twenty eighteen or was it

1701
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:43,520
post COVID?

1702
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1703
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:47,399
Speaker 2: There was a rash of.

1704
01:37:50,079 --> 01:37:51,159
Speaker 3: Was it was.

1705
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 6: I know some of it was just parody and trying

1706
01:37:55,039 --> 01:37:57,880
to get people up in arms, like the Cannibal Club

1707
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:00,560
in Los Angeles that was getting a but there was

1708
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:05,399
a lot of restaurants opening up that were cannibal themed.

1709
01:38:08,119 --> 01:38:11,119
It was cannibal themed. But there was this other woman.

1710
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,359
There's somebody in like the Netherlands or something like that

1711
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,760
that said that we should eat Okay, let me see

1712
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:30,239
here what European politician suggests eating human bodies.

1713
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 2: Come on, give it to me.

1714
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,039
Speaker 6: There's no credible evidence that any European politician has suggested

1715
01:38:38,119 --> 01:38:39,159
eating human bodies.

1716
01:38:39,279 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 8: No, there is.

1717
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:47,279
Speaker 6: You just shut your damn mouth, a Swedish scientist comments.

1718
01:38:47,279 --> 01:38:51,600
In twenty nineteen, Magnus Sunderland, a behavioral science as a

1719
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:55,239
professor of Stockholm School of Economics, suggested in a panel

1720
01:38:55,279 --> 01:38:57,800
discussion that eating human flesh from dead bodies might be

1721
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,920
a way to combat climate change if I that societal

1722
01:39:01,039 --> 01:39:04,680
taboos could be overcome. He's an academic, not a politician.

1723
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:09,159
Speaker 2: Oh oh, oh, my bad.

1724
01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 6: A suggestion was part of a controversial and provocative discussion

1725
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:19,720
on future food sustainability. Yeah, we were getting a lot

1726
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:20,520
of shit like that.

1727
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:24,359
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1728
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,560
Speaker 6: News stories like that just tend to cluster around each

1729
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:28,640
around itself.

1730
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 2: Let's see.

1731
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:34,520
Speaker 6: Pink Sale says, I can't believe I wasn't already subscribed

1732
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,239
to Jay and Timothy before tonight. Great guests and great

1733
01:39:37,319 --> 01:39:39,880
show as always. Well hey did you were you the

1734
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:45,159
two hundred thousandth for Jay? AMANDASN says, great guest, great show,

1735
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:48,319
Love you, Amanda, Thank you so much. Over on Rumble,

1736
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:52,279
You've got a nice little, nice little tribe hanging out

1737
01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:56,960
over there and awaken Boomer Grady always on a night

1738
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,840
when nothing's going on on Rumble, I know that the

1739
01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:03,720
is going to be a nice little uh, a nice

1740
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,359
little something from from Awakened Boomer.

1741
01:40:07,359 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 2: Hi, Frank.

1742
01:40:08,079 --> 01:40:11,119
Speaker 6: While there's much I disagree with him about, it's a

1743
01:40:11,159 --> 01:40:14,560
pleasure to listen to Tim and Jay great show. Well

1744
01:40:15,239 --> 01:40:18,640
listen if there are there are certain points during those

1745
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:23,600
conversations that even I'm like, Okay, noted, I'm gonna have

1746
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,720
to go look into that later on, and I should have.

1747
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:29,439
And I always remind myself, you're you know, you gotta

1748
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:33,680
go basic, But sometimes I don't want to go basic.

1749
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,119
I want to I just wanted to jump right into

1750
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:40,840
the uh, the weeds there about reconciliation and if that's

1751
01:40:41,079 --> 01:40:43,479
if that's possible, it doesn't seem like it's possible within

1752
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:44,199
my lifetime.

1753
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:45,680
Speaker 2: But still.

1754
01:40:47,399 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 6: There's that Tommy Jekyl, what's going on there, Tommy Corey

1755
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:57,960
j thank you, uh safety that says I am so joyfully, happily, thrilled,

1756
01:40:58,039 --> 01:41:02,560
beyond gay. Thank you, Paulie Paulie nine three sixty three.

1757
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:04,520
He put in a fleet Wow.

1758
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,119
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Paulie.

1759
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 6: Hey, listen, the more you guys send in the more,

1760
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,439
the better we can operate over here at the show.

1761
01:41:12,079 --> 01:41:17,279
And also the better we could, the better your chances

1762
01:41:17,319 --> 01:41:21,359
for me to picking you as the winner on Thursday

1763
01:41:21,399 --> 01:41:25,439
Night whenever we do our superchat raffles Amber This Cat.

1764
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:27,840
My dream is that one day there'd be so many

1765
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:29,880
super chats coming in that I can't do the raffles

1766
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:35,920
anymore because I can't. I can't actually manage all the names,

1767
01:41:36,399 --> 01:41:38,039
and I have to find some other way, some other

1768
01:41:38,119 --> 01:41:38,680
game to play.

1769
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:42,359
Speaker 2: But that would be a whole new world. Jr. At

1770
01:41:42,399 --> 01:41:47,800
the Lake Amber This Cat, Happy Tuesday, Frank Guy no Jr. Again.

1771
01:41:48,199 --> 01:41:50,399
Speaker 6: Tommy says, are we on pace to hitting the evening

1772
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:54,680
gold pill goal? Maybe that fleet was big? Okay, here

1773
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:58,159
it is. Everybody take a look at this talking about big,

1774
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:04,000
a big fleet. Shocking pictures of Christy Nomes's cross dressing

1775
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:09,760
husband flaunting giant fake breasts revealed, sparking grave security questions.

1776
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,039
There are photos at allegedly show Christy nomes husband Brian,

1777
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:21,840
wearing comically oversized lopsided breasts, complete with fake protruding nipples

1778
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,039
to female members of.

1779
01:42:24,079 --> 01:42:30,039
Speaker 2: An online fetish community. Okay. The Daily Mail obtained hundreds

1780
01:42:30,039 --> 01:42:34,359
of messages purportedly sent between former Secretary of Homeland Security husband.

1781
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 6: Maybe this is why she had to leave. They knew

1782
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,840
that this was coming out. And three women who are

1783
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:46,560
involved in the so called bimbo afication bimbo fication fetish scene.

1784
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:52,000
So that means it's a fetish that you want to

1785
01:42:52,039 --> 01:42:58,720
make yourself look like bimbo, like just crazy, huge fake tits.

1786
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,960
The kinky community involves people injecting their busts with freakily

1787
01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:09,439
large amount of saline in pursuit of Barbie doll like appearances.

1788
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,000
The picture shows South Dakota insurance mogul who has three

1789
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:16,279
children with gnome, clad in pink hot pants and skin

1790
01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:20,520
tight flesh colored crop top stuff with enormous balloons made

1791
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:25,840
to resemble massive cock eyed breasts. There they are, and

1792
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:33,479
he seems very serious, like the seriousness that his face, like,

1793
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:34,039
what do you.

1794
01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 2: Want from me? You got what you wanted? Is this

1795
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:42,159
what you wanted? Come at me, bro, I don't understand

1796
01:43:42,199 --> 01:43:48,319
the come at me bro face. Whoops? What my eyes

1797
01:43:48,319 --> 01:43:48,880
are up here?

1798
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:49,119
Speaker 3: Bro?

1799
01:43:53,399 --> 01:43:56,039
Speaker 2: I don't know. Everything's so messed up.

1800
01:43:56,359 --> 01:43:58,520
Speaker 6: His face is clearly visible in several of the photos,

1801
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:02,119
including one which his expression is so mundane it could

1802
01:44:02,119 --> 01:44:06,640
be from a driver's license photo. Oh I'm not putting

1803
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:11,520
that one on the air. Oh no, he did a

1804
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:16,640
kissy face. He did a kissy face, and another one.

1805
01:44:18,359 --> 01:44:21,520
Damaging information like this can be tantalizing lead for hostile

1806
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,239
intelligence services. This is why they didn't allow homosexuals in

1807
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:26,479
the FBI at a time. Now you can't get in

1808
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:31,439
unless you're gay. They approached the person says, if you

1809
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:33,960
work with us, we won't expose this. If you don't,

1810
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:36,520
we will, we will. That's espionage.

1811
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 2: One on one.

1812
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,159
Speaker 6: Christy Nome was ousted from her role at DHS on

1813
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:43,399
March fifth, after a pair of disastrous congressional hearings, including

1814
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:45,720
fumbling a question about whether she was having an affair

1815
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:46,840
with a merry top aid.

1816
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:49,119
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1817
01:44:49,279 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 6: Well there's no way that she didn't know about this,

1818
01:44:52,039 --> 01:44:59,159
and they're probably into some stuff and that's just that's that.

1819
01:45:01,359 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 2: Anyway.

1820
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

1821
01:45:03,079 --> 01:45:05,560
Speaker 6: You know, here's another funny thing I gotta give to

1822
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:09,199
you guys. I don't know if this is real. I

1823
01:45:09,239 --> 01:45:11,880
don't know if this is real, but the it was

1824
01:45:14,039 --> 01:45:19,239
cash Battel now Cashptel. I told you supposedly an Iranian

1825
01:45:19,399 --> 01:45:22,439
hacker or something like that had gotten some private photos

1826
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:24,880
of Cash Hotel and put it out there, and I

1827
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,920
saw whatever it was tweeted out there. It's just him,

1828
01:45:27,039 --> 01:45:29,600
just I don't know, drinking a beer, smoking a cigar

1829
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,880
or whatever. Now, the thing that is not substantiated at

1830
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:40,640
all is that Cash battel he had an X videos

1831
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:46,800
as a porn site, an X videos account, and I

1832
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,279
don't know, somebody put out a screenshot of the back

1833
01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:52,600
end of an account of on X videos that had

1834
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,119
that was supposedly his, and the screen name was Spider Cash,

1835
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:03,680
Spider Cash, and I guys, listen, there's nothing out there

1836
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:07,000
that I haven't seen anything that substantiated that, And it's like,

1837
01:46:07,079 --> 01:46:10,880
this is real. Maybe it's just nonsense. But if that's real,

1838
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:17,359
that's hilarious. That's hilarious. Because listen, I'm sure you guys,

1839
01:46:18,039 --> 01:46:20,720
some of you guys at least know that you don't

1840
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,840
need to make an account to get onto these sites. Okay,

1841
01:46:25,159 --> 01:46:27,800
don't need to make an account. That is completely optional.

1842
01:46:28,359 --> 01:46:34,359
Anybody who makes an account, they pick a screen name

1843
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:37,399
in everything to act as a porn site. In twenty

1844
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:43,319
twenty six, those are some dedicated coomers, dedicated like they're

1845
01:46:43,399 --> 01:46:50,279
leaving they're leaving comments they are critiquing the music that's

1846
01:46:50,319 --> 01:46:53,279
playing in the room while people are doing the deed, Like,

1847
01:46:53,359 --> 01:46:59,880
why are they playing this? It's distracting me, you know, really, Duran,

1848
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:03,640
Duran like that that would be that would feel so

1849
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:10,239
I can't he'd be like curating playlists and stuff like that.

1850
01:47:11,039 --> 01:47:14,239
If that is really him, Spider Cash.

1851
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

1852
01:47:16,119 --> 01:47:18,279
Speaker 6: Anyway, I don't know if that's true, but I was

1853
01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:21,039
just laughing at the thought of it possibly being true

1854
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,520
because I don't know how. I don't know how you

1855
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:31,279
can do it, but somebody has got. I don't know

1856
01:47:31,359 --> 01:47:34,600
how you can find every comment that Spider Cash is

1857
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:38,000
ever left on that porn site. But I want to

1858
01:47:38,039 --> 01:47:42,239
see all the comments that that is going to be

1859
01:47:42,399 --> 01:47:50,680
Grade A. That's gonna be incredible. That's gonna be incredible.

1860
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 2: Oh man, oh man.

1861
01:47:56,079 --> 01:47:59,159
Speaker 6: But like I said, it's probably who the hell knows, real,

1862
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,039
not real. This is the kind of news we're getting

1863
01:48:02,039 --> 01:48:07,239
these days. All right, let's see, here's another thing for you.

1864
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:12,159
A friend of mine from Australia sent this in. You

1865
01:48:12,199 --> 01:48:14,199
can call in anytime you want. Nine one four two

1866
01:48:14,279 --> 01:48:19,079
hundred two sixty nine. Friend of mine from Australia calls

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wrote in his name is Greg is Frank. I know

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you love the great Australian video about succulent Chinese mule. Well,

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it has been immortalized in the National Film and Sound

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Archives here and Canberra. It is now an iconic Ausie sound.

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Best wishes Greg, and here is the uh, here's the report.

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Hold on, let's see nine.

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Speaker 2: New National Treasures have been formally recognized. Sounds that are

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uniquely Australian.

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Speaker 6: The breakthrough songs, jingles and landmark speeches are now enshrined

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in the National Film and Sound Archive.

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Speaker 2: Importance to cultural zeitgeist.

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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.

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Speaker 4: The iconic arrest of combat Jack Carlson captured by our

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very own Chris Reason. We raced down there and of

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course would witness something that would become a theatrical spectacular

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at the time, something for the agent.

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Speaker 2: What is the charge eating on me?

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Speaker 3: Off? A succulent Chinese me?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: The remixed phrase went viral and it's now part of

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our national archive.

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Speaker 4: The police at the time we're telling us that Jack

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Carlson was on Queensland's most wanted list. Of the coursees

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go on to become one of Australia's most loved shut

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up for your face in nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 6: So you got to say so good good because I

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think he just I think he just died last year, right,

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I think he just died last year, So he deserves this.

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Now here's something else that has to be thrown into

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the mix, Matt ge there's an alien hybrid breeding program

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going on. What's this another Benny Johnson. He's talking to

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Benny Johnson. Everybody talking to Benny Johnson these days. All right, anyway,

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let me see what he says.

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Speaker 8: I think the most important information will be the biologics

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that are not human that have been discovered, and like

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even some of the briefings that aren't classified just need

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to be out in the public. I mean I had

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someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform,

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worked for the United States Army, that was briefing me

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on the locations of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens

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were breeding with humans to create some hybrid race that

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could engage in intergalactic communication.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so here's here's what I would give you guys

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as an assignment. You go in on the internet. That's

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where you live, anyway, go on to the Internet, onto

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Google or anywhere and just start looking for as many

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coast to coast episodes with doctor David Jacobs as possible. Okay,

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he called them hubrids, and those are some really interesting

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episodes from Doctor David with Doctor David, David Jacobs and

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uh and Art Bell talking about human hybridization with aliens

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and all that. I think he also, I think doctor

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Jacobs was also a guy who spoke about missing pregnancies.

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Pregnancies had just disappeared and were, in his mind, harvested.

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So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep this. I'm gonna but

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then I just saw this before we went live today.

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That's March thirty, first, two, four pm. Matt Gates. Can

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we just get some money? Get some money? What do

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I gotta do? What do I gotta do to get

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on the radar?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 6: Just a couple, just couple of those interviews, that would

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be great. I don't care how crazy they sound. That's

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what I want.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it, shall we? Anyway? Let me see what

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else here? Oh, I missed a couple of calls. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't paying attention. I was looking at all this

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over here. Well, that's what we have for tonight. I

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think it was a good one. I think it was

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a very very good one. Great to have friends over

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here hanging out running on empty just says Jesse on

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Fire and said, that's not cash. Jesse on Fire said,

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that's not cash. Okay, Well, good the near you have it,

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because that would be hilarious, that would just not be run.

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I just like, out of everything, out of everything that

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you could have done, then fine, because man, man, and

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if you go out there and you create a an

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actual account for one of those sites, that's a problem.

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That's a real problem. It's a problem even when you

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don't have it. But still, okay, god U, I appreciate you.

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Tomorrow we're going to have Matt from Cultivate Elevate on

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in the first half a whole bunch of kookie stuff,

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rabbit hole stuff. It's gonna be a good night for that.

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And I'm looking forward to having you here on quite frankly,

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and you know what, just for the hell of it,

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we're going to the flip side and who knows what

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we'll do over there, and just for the hell of it,

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remember from now until midnight tonight. I asked Molly if

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she can just bump this up to midday tomorrow because

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I know we have the podcast audiences. This is the

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last couple of hours to get in on the Keto

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Brains raffle. Go out and get yourself a nice bag

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of the Keto Brains neotropic creamer. You're gonna love it

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in the coffee. You're gonna love it in any kind

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of food creations, whatever the hell it is. Leave the

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coffee the hell, however the hell you like it. But

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still we're going to do that raffle from her, that

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six hundred dollars plus raffle on Thursday. So I asked

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her if we can bump this to the maybe halfway

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point tomorrow for our podcast audience out there, which is

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a vast audience. Love you all so much, Thank you

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for everything. Become a sponsor of the show, become a subscriber,

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whatever the hell it is, stick around. Thank you all

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so much, and we will see you tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: I'll kutch you on the flip side. Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: One and all.

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Speaker 6: We are going to the flip side, my friends on

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dropping the link in the chat room right now. Follow

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us over for a couple of more minutes of truly

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uncensored frankly, and I'll be reading the general chat and more.

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Speaker 3: Will you

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Speaker 7: Shut up Elasasassa