Speaker 1: Company in British insisting the incised a constantly as sad
become in mathing. Some decay sixty step sist.
Speaker 2: Happen happens us nations.
Speaker 3: Here's a woman.
Speaker 4: You let one ant stand up to us, then they
all might stand up.
Speaker 5: Those puny little ants outnumber us one hundred to one.
Speaker 2: And if they ever figure that out, there goes our
way of life.
Speaker 3: It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line.
Speaker 2: That's why we're going back. Does anybody else want to stay?
Speaker 1: Let's dry.
Speaker 6: All it's my last chance to bail. It's my last chance. No,
I put myself on camera now now I have to
go through with this. That's what I give myself every night,
give myself the leeway every night. You could still back
out of this, but the moment you go on camera
it's over. Then you just have to suffer through it.
Speaker 2: That's it. Now you guys have to suffer through it too.
Speaker 6: We're back for the last day in March twenty twenty
six at seven o'clock on the Schnaz and I am
your host. My name is Frank. Been doing this for
a long time and this is your first time watching me.
Then welcome you have a lot to get caught up on,
very exciting stuff, very very exciting stuff. I hope everybody's
feeling gay this evening. As we were saying last night,
we are going to be reclaiming the word gay. That
was at Willie's urging that we have to reclaim the
word and make it mean happy again, joyous and happy.
Speaker 2: So I hope all is gay anyway.
Speaker 6: Tonight, Actually, just a couple of minutes, we're going to
have our friends Timothy Gordon and Jay Dyer with us.
Speaker 2: It's been a long time.
Speaker 6: I think actually it might have been last April that
we had both of them on and you know, we
talked to them on their own and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But I love when we get the boys together for
a night.
Speaker 6: And they've had a couple of big, well watched debates
with each other over the last year, one at I
think Tim. I think they might have done one or
two with Tim Poole, and then another one I think
with Eliza Shaeffer in Florida sometime last August or September.
I don't know what it was, but they've had they've
had a lot of time doing their thing, and I
love I love listening to those debates, I really do.
They do mean a lot of good because it's a
I'm glad that a lot of people are looking for
these kinds of mental exercises. It's you hear history that
you don't get anymore. And it also has something to
do with the supernatural, which is really great. We talk
about eternity and our entry into eternity, punching our ticket
into eternity. And it'll be nice to talk to them
both right here in Holy Week, and that'll be happening
in a couple of minutes. First thing I want to
say is to all of our friends in Canada. I've
been watching, just in my peripheral vision here what's going
on with Alberta. There's an independence movement that's going on
out there, I guess, much like what we get in
Texas every ten or twelve years. So Alberta's independence or
separatism movements. That's what I've been reading, our recurring expression
of Western alienation. All right, this is all being taken
from Wikipedia. I wanted to lead with that first, the
widespread feeling in Alberta and sometimes other Prairie provinces that
Ottawa doesn't understand or respect their economic interest, especially oil
gas resource as well. As of right now, on March
thirty first, we've got a group called the Alberta Prosperity Project.
Many of you have been emailing me, Frank, We're getting closer.
Stay Free Alberta as well launched a citizen petition for
a referendum on a straight up independence, the question do
you agree that the Province of Alberta should cease to
be a part of Canada?
Speaker 2: To become an independent state?
Speaker 6: They needed one hundred and seventy seven thousand, seven hundred
and thirty two signatures, that's ten percent of eligible voters
by May second. As of March thirtieth, organizers claim they've
hit the threshold and we'll submit for verification by elections
by the elections. If validated, it could force the question
onto a provincial referendum ballot, possibly October twenty twenty six.
Now there's a counter petition, Alberta Forever Canada, with hundreds
of thousands of signatures opposing the separation. God, they're just
wet blanket bastards everywhere everywhere. They're all the same retards.
They just have different accents, just different accents, different flavors,
they carry different flags. Sometimes a lot of them are
carrying the same flags no matter where they live. But
but yeah, I'm looking at it. The polls are showing
that you guys are a little bit of a minority.
But listen, loud minorities have done a lot. Hold on, wait,
just have to make sure that everybody knows that their
their zoom call, their zoom link is in their Twitter
DMS opposition to sixty to seventy percent say that they
would vote to stay. Many definitely stay. So listen, I'm
pulling for you guys.
Speaker 2: I really am. Like I said, I'm all, I'm I'm
all for all.
Speaker 6: Secession movements, even when California was saying I'd like to
secede in twenty sixteen and all the other times that
they got their panties up in a bunch out there,
all the Democrats out there.
Speaker 2: It's a great that'd be wonderful.
Speaker 6: That'd be wonderful, not even just from a you know,
dead weight standpoint, and it actually be the most patriotic
thing that California could do is to secede.
Speaker 2: It would be wonderful.
Speaker 6: A wonderful precedent that has been re established, that has
of course been wiped away in the eighteen sixties with
the million, the million people who lost their lives over
here for what is a very basic American principle of
sea session. What the hell was the American Revolution? So
so yeah, I don't know. I'm pulling for you guys
in Alberta, bud who knows other than that. Jd Vance
warns that UFOs could be demons flying around the Earth.
We'll be talking about this as somebody maybe tomorrow we're
gonna be doing a lot of demon stuff, the the
Atlas stuff, because we have We'll have Matt from Cultivate
Elevate coming on in the first half, so we'll be
able to do a lot of fun, fun outside of
the box stuff. Of course, I think he'll just laugh
at it, because I know that he doesn't think that
space is what they say it is either. But either way,
it'll be nice Wednesday night over here, rabbit Hole Wednesday.
It's coming back at least for tomorrow night. Vice President
jd Vance speculated that UFOs could actually be demons flying
around the Earth, contending that ancient civilizations believe that they
had encountered with such vile creatures. I don't think that
they're aliens. I think they're demons. But that's a long discussion,
he said. There are other things that are getting around
right now. And I gotta say again, I'm in one
of those phases where all the same rules apply as
picking what kind of movie I'm going to go to
the theater and watch. If it has bad reviews from
all the people that I don't like, that, I know
it's probably worth seeing. The same thing goes for UFO
or any other kind of disclosures coming from the government.
And when everybody starts using the word demonic over and
over again, it just becomes something that is just so
commonly used now on even a governmental level, where the
Vice President talking about I don't think that they're actually
I think I think it's demonic. I think it's demonic.
It's such a weird catch all. And even that turns
me off, okay, because what the hell they actually going
to tell us again that they were they were the barrier,
they were the prophylactic to keep us from being exposed
to the demonic, and that the demonic just likes to you,
just likes to do these figure eights in the sky.
Speaker 2: How demonic?
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 6: Just very scary stuff. Doesn't have to be scary, Frank,
it just has to be deceptive.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 6: But too many of the people, too many people, and
too many prominent positions are saying things that used to
be relegated to just us, you know, our conversations and
chat rooms and message boards and image boards. So we'll
talk about that tomorrow. Maybe we'll put some polls up
in the chat room. We'll take some of your calls,
and we'll see where the hell you guys are all
at with this stuff.
Speaker 2: And there and there's that. Okay, let's see here. What
else do we have? All right?
Speaker 6: Now, this is the big This is the big thing
that we have to read about a little bit tonight.
French Masonic lodge. French Masonic lodge at the heart of
murky murder trial. This is from RTL today. Twenty two
people went on trial in France on Monday on charges
of murder and other serious crimes centered on members of
a Masonic lodge accused of running hit squads.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: The real question is who who were they taken out?
Who's given them the orders?
Speaker 3: What is this?
Speaker 2: Is it just really just murder for hire?
Speaker 4: Or is this a.
Speaker 6: Milative wing of some kind of a political apparatus, some
unseen political thing an organization. Are they going out there
and conducting geopolitical operations on behalf of and of a
you know, of a fraternal order that has been at
the center of almost every major conspiracy theory and conspiracy
confirmed for god knows how many hundreds of years now
well we know.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 6: Those in the doc include four military personnel from France's
Foreign Legion and two police officers, are retired domestic intelligence officer,
a security guard and two business executives. They are accused
of the murder of a racing driver since seemed too
prominent there. What was a racing driver up to that
he had to get clipped the attempted murders of a
business coach and trade unionist. They didn't actually do that,
They weren't successful. Aggravated assault in criminal conspiracy on behalf
of a mafia network inside the former Ethanore Masonic lodge
in Paris suburb of Pouteau I. Hope I said that
right can't stand France and all their names. Several Freemasons
from the twenty or so member lad are on the dock.
Most of the accused age between thirty and seventy three,
have no previous criminal records. The alleged ring leaders are
Anthorpe Freemasons, Jean Luke Bagore and Frederic Valliot and Daniel
Belou Ballyoulou Balilou Beulu Blue Beaulieu.
Speaker 2: They faced life in jail convicted.
Speaker 6: The French they don't even I mean even this, you're
running murder for hire and they don't even have the
death penalty for that. I know that they got rid of,
you know, the guillotine officially in what the nineteen sixties,
the nineteen seventies, I understand, you finally got rid of
the guillotine, just a tradition you couldn't kick. But now
they can't even they can't even pull the trigger on
getting rid of hitmen. So does Beaulieu's right hand mans
I have. Twenty twenty, when two members of the military
were arrested in Bozi session of weapons near the home
of business coach Marie Helene Deny. Under questioning, they said
that they thought that they had been asked to murder
Deani on behalf of the French state, on the grounds
that she worked for Israeli spy agency massade. The massade
huh all right, well, I mean that in and of
itself is interesting. But the botched, the boxed, you know,
the the assaults and everything else that that's it makes
you wonder to what degree, what level are these people
really operating on and is it is it just for fun?
At this point there too, we understand that there's bigger
there's bigger fish to fry, even for freemasons. Who do
we have on the line right now? Is it Jay Dyer?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, hold on, wait a second, Jay shows up
with the synth Wave?
Speaker 7: Jay?
Speaker 4: Is that you?
Speaker 1: It is me?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, let me uh, I mean when I'm not talking,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: But yeah, see, Jay's on the road right now.
Speaker 6: He's on a monster tour of podcasts and and he's
just he's just getting back to his dwelling at the moment.
So I think we're just gonna have him on with
with audio. But still, it's great to have you on, man. Jay,
You're actually on a, like I said, a pretty big tour.
What kind of show's been hit? I saw you on
with a few biggies just recently. But tell everybody what
you what you're up to right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Man, I appreciate that We've done about seventeen or eighteen
podcast shows in the past four weeks. We did a
tim cast double appearance, a debate with Tim We did
Stephan Mallinu interview, we did Alex Jones, we did Hodge Twins,
we did Jesse Lee Peterson, Jamie Kennedy, Sam Tripoli, John Kuriaku.
Speaker 3: It's just been a wild, NonStop worl wirlwind.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean it just it's one of these days.
I got to get both of you guys up into
the studio over here in Westchester. That would be awesome,
that really would be and yeah, yeah, we got it.
Speaker 2: We got it. And Timothy just joined us right now too. Tim.
How you doing, Yo? What's up guys?
Speaker 6: Good to see Frank, It's good to see you guys.
So I guess I'll have Tim up and we'll have
Jay on the on the line. Hold on, I'll move
him over here too. Uh well, hey, let's start with
both of you guys, because on the on the Freemason thing,
because I want to I want to know where you
guys come up with this. Jay, you, I mean, you
guys both really come at this from a a Vatican level.
Speaker 2: There too.
Speaker 6: You come at it from geo just basic geopolitical posturing.
At this point, what do you think about everything we
know about the the latest of this Freemason story. There
is botched assaults. They weren't very good at their job,
but they got a couple of people killed. I guess
here too, and some of it had to do with
trying to cleanse France of some massad agents. So, Jay,
what are your thoughts on this? What have you done
so far?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think this is interesting because it really vindicates the
assessment that I've had for a good while about what
freemasonry is and how it functions. Really overlaps with intelligence agencies,
It overlaps with the state, you know, the British Empire,
US the Free Masonic Networks as their spy agency. And
I think we have a window into an example of
this here in the case of France with a sort
of Masonic mafia as they called that, that.
Speaker 3: Was engaged in espionage, that was engaged.
Speaker 5: In a form of even a false flag recruitment, and
that is basically when people are recruited into working for
what they believe is some intelligence agency, but they're actually
working on the behalf of somebody else or something else,
and so it seems like there's a lot of manipulation
going on. And this Masonic network here had recruited people
to do dirty work, including assassinations, and it's under the
guys that they were working for the French intelligence establishment.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, they actually could happen.
Speaker 5: So this could have been a clever way for the
governments to sort of distance themselves from the sort of
dirty work that goes on. There's a lot of precedents
for that, and say Operation Gladio, where you were expected
to join the P two Masonic Lodge to be part
of the Gladio terror network.
Speaker 3: So this is very similar to a kind of a
Gladio style structure operation.
Speaker 5: But I think that in this case it could go
either way because they actually did have former so called
French intelligence operatives involved in this, and they could literally
have been really working for the state, the French intelligence superstructure,
or they could have been false flag recruits. Either way,
it's a fascinating window into really demonstrating and proving what
I've been saying about masonry for so long.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you guys would both I would have to
agree that this is you know, these are how these
fraternal networks as as a structure, as a structural feature
of intel elgent services actually functions. It's not an aberration.
This is you would just you would lean into that
way of thinking that this is not an aberration. These
are not just people that were figure they can pick
up some chump change and maybe do some high high
value contracts.
Speaker 2: That this is actually a feature, not a not a bug.
Speaker 3: I would say this is normal procedures.
Speaker 5: I mean certainly not every American you know, Bible Belt
Masonic lodge that's just the Blue Lodge, is going to
be functioning at this high of a capacity. But really
masonry is like a tiered fraternal structure that only really
raises people to the higher levels to do these types
of things when they give the psychological profile that they're
willing to do these kinds of things. So there's kind
of like profane you know, granddaddy at the local lodge,
drinking beer type of masonry, which is I mean, it's
still you know, a secret society. That's the verse of
an anti Christian. But I don't think you're going to
be involved in this kind of stuff unless you're you know,
sort of raised up into the higher levels and and
again it's just it's it's very illustrative because even Albert
Pike says and roles and dogma that the lower levels
are deceived and their light to about what masonry really is.
Speaker 3: And this kind of a of a story which is
not unique. There's many cases.
Speaker 5: If you go back to the William Morgan incident which
in America resulted in the Anti Masonic Party, you could
see that there's a consistent pattern of this kind of stuff,
with the sonic lodges being used by darker say ten.
Speaker 3: Things, or even by illuminous Jacobins.
Speaker 5: In fact, you know why Shout himself said that he
would utilize the existing Masonic networks for his revolutionary Secret
Society and also by intelligence operatives as well.
Speaker 6: Tim anything you want to add to that, because of
course this is you often hit on Freemasonry from the
angle that you know, the church's historical prohibition on membership.
Of course, it pops up anytime we get into whether
it is published work of fiction, faction, nonfiction. Just how
they often pop up and still are in the mix
of so many things on that level from a deep
church level as well.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Just say you're average listeners plagued by incredulity because it
is a bit of elite, a conceptual leap when we
consider that, like, I don't know, the average blue mace
on Bluemin's sonic dork that people know in their neighborhood
with a little G on the back of the truck
doesn't seem capable of fasting for six hours, let alone,
you know, carrying off hits and stuff. Because they're not
high level Masons. And I would say you have to
get over this kind of allergen because secret societies are
organized in such a fashion to cover up the importance
and it's really pareto principle. The important stuff is really
you know, the eighty first and above percentile. So blue
Masons are people that are kind of basic American fat
suburbs dorks that drive around with the G on their car.
Even Actually there's a dude there at Tempole when me
and Jay were debating, we ended up having a bit
of a laugh. He thought it could be a Protestant
guy and a Mason too. I think is called himself
lore Lodge. This should be gotten over because it's part
of what's meant to disarm you about the basic structure
of secret societies were at large. I'd been revisiting Frank
the P two thing, the entire propaganda doue set of
claims about the church infiltration into our Holy growing Catholic
Church in the second half of the twentieth century, particularly
the claims made by Malachi Martin, but others besides him
as well. There's there's really a lot of evidence, more
than I thought a couple of years ago when we
read his book together in a reading group. There's a
lot of evidence that, in my view, is mounting that
P two actually did was able at some points of
the latter half of the twentieth century to infiltrate the
Roman Carrea and all but surround the pope with the
men that had been foretold the century before that the
Pope would be surrounded by guys who were in the
P two lodge, the one of the highest lodges in
all of Europe, the Italian Lodge, who would do expressly
anti Catholic things in the name of the Roman Carrea.
So that's actually I want to have you on my
show with a guest that that we've interviewed before, who's
going to be pointing out really, really really fresh stuff
about it, and you know, see from there. But the
P two always catches my ear because that is not
your your low level blue Masonic dork stuff. This is
the high level powerful stuff for where where things actually happen.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, well, well I'm I'm interested in all this,
it really, I really am. And it's it's it's incredible
that we're going to see have a three month trial,
especially with this France situation, is that the trial is
going to be about three months. I wonder what's going
to pop up along the way. I know, Jay, you'll
be you'll be keeping close tabs on it for anything
that is that is learned by the public and discovery
or anything like that. And and I want to hear
more about it, you know, on that as far as
geopolitical and gladio and and everything else that we deal
with on a day to day basis. I do want
to ask something of you guys that that may bring
you both together on on a on a concept of
just war. I know that that Jay, there's you guys
don't have like a form or Orthodox Church doesn't have
it like a formal just war theory like the Catholic
Church does.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 6: But I have to imagine that on the moral evaluation
of war, you guys are probably gonna have a lot
of a lot in common. What's going on right now
in Iran is pretty interesting. I can't imagine that both
either of you are really into it or see the value.
And I don't know, but Jay, let's start with you.
How are you really reading what's going on in Iran
right now?
Speaker 5: Well, let me say that, first of all, I think
that Tim and I would probably be on absolutely the
same page on most of the stuff, including everything that's
TIMPs out about masonry and P two and all that
totally agree.
Speaker 3: Do have any disagreements there?
Speaker 5: I think the classical sort of Byzantine state model attitude
towards warfare, the way that Byzantine emperors engage in warfare,
the way that Russians ares engaged in the warfare. From
an orthodox perspective, we would probably have some version of just.
Speaker 3: War that would be the same.
Speaker 5: So I don't think we would totally just We would
have much disagreement on these basic ideas. I think that
it gets very fuzzy. If you want to try to
justify preemptive strikes, there'd have to be some very dire
necessitating causes.
Speaker 3: For why that would be the case.
Speaker 5: For example, if you were about to have some sort
of serious, serious, eminent threat that you knew about, maybe
that could justify for a preemptive attack or strike. But
typically speaking, it's not. It's not something that's justified. So
I don't think that that's really anything to do with
what's going on in Iran. This is really just the
Greater Israel project, something that I've been talking about for many,
many years, maybe even going back fifteen fifteen years a
decade or so. We've done podcasts about Odd Jannon back
in nineteen early nineteen eighties, it was the foreign policy
guy for Ariel Sharon, and this was the idea that
Israel would be better off if they were to expand
massively and create what they called a micro state throughout
the Middle East at that time. So Iran is just
one of many of these projects that the United States
has been the bitch of Israel.
Speaker 3: To engage in for a long time.
Speaker 5: So you can read the clean Break strategy that Nanyah
who put out in the nineteen nineties where they really
talked about this, you know, destabilization in multiple countries. This
matches up loosely to Wesley Clark's seven nation plan that
he saw at the Pentagon after nine to eleven. After
nine to eleven, we've basically been doing the same types
of middlease of operations that Israel wanted at the behest
of Israel and the neocons.
Speaker 3: So that's really what this is.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of also repeat of the nineteen fifties
which when they overthrew the Shop, this was the CIA's
operation Ajax run by Kermil Roosevelt to install assuming they
throw Mozedic to install the Shaw. That was a failed
CIA operation because they then had to make a deal
with the Iotola Kashawnee after him after he failed, and
then there was a subsequent deals made with the I
Tolos after that. So what we have is just simply
regime change at that time being done for UH British
Intelligence and the roth Childs and the Angli Ranning to
Oil Company which would become BP.
Speaker 3: And nowadays it's the same type of.
Speaker 5: Regime change revolution operations for the Great Original Project, because
we basically do whatever BB says right and BB was
bragging like twenty.
Speaker 3: Eight years ago, well a mitteredo will do whatever we
want them to do. So that's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's almost as if we had BB calling in for
a second. That was wonderful.
Speaker 3: I love that you're with me. I'm actually in Israel
right now.
Speaker 2: It's gonna say, you know, you should call it.
Speaker 6: If you called it, if you call him with with no,
with just audio, more often you do the impressions. I
swear to god, it'd be dead ringers.
Speaker 3: But you know what's a funny. Look up the clip
where he says you can find on YouTube.
Speaker 5: Look up Benjamin at Yahoo and nine O two one
O melrose Place, and it's ten twenty years ago. He's
talking to Congress and he's like, if you really want
to change around, beam melrose Place to nine O two
one Oho, and Hollywood will change the culture of lorn.
Speaker 2: Nine O two one.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: He actually he's saying that basically Hollywood is soft ower Yeah,
to create cultural revolution.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna find that after we get off the air
later on. No doubt about it, Tim, anything on on
just war theory, because obviously I did not think that
any of you, you or Jay were going to say
that there was anything here that would actually be considered
just war. I thought I actually thought it was a
little head scratching when Pope Leo yesterday, I think said
that God doesn't listen to the prayer of those who
wage war. And I'm saying, to myself, what what what
were the Crusades? I mean, I don't, I don't understand.
I'm just thinking about that. It's like, thank God for
the Crusades. But so there's there's something that that was
a head scratcher. But at the same time, yeah, no,
I don't. I don't believe that this was I don't
doesn't look.
Speaker 2: Like a just war to me. I'm hoping we can
brack it into what he said, a just war, because
obviously the Old Testament and New Testament is so replete
with holy justified wars that Heaven smiles on. But just
war is if you substitute it for what he was saying,
this is absolutely the standard for what Christians should hope for.
Just wars can be great things, and the war in
Iran so clearly is not. And you know, I've been
really happy to reconnect with ed Faser Catholic, one of
the greatest living English language philosophers, stimistic philosophers who has
a popular repute over you know his critiques of the
Trump admint on this. It just is a fail for
just war. Depends on how you parse it. But really
we would say as Thomas that it's got six six prongs,
and the prongs are it's got to be a last resort.
This is a major fail for a last resort.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Second prong is it's got to be a just cause,
major fail because it's the Greater Israel Project. I just
sent you something, Frank, if you wanted to just show
the metastasization of the Greater Israel project, I think I
texted it to you on the screen. It's really nice.
It shows year by year just this cancer spreading of
the Greater Israel project does not constitute by a long
shot a just cause out of the medieval tradition of
just wars. Third prong, valid authority. A war must arise
out of not just valid authority, but a consistent policy
or principle. Maybe it passes this one prong for what
constitutes to just war. Fourthly, probable success. There's no real
success in the Middle East when we're talking about kicking
out the people that have been there for two millennia
and repopulating them. If we're talking about the West Bank
or something like that with foreigners that have mostly Eastern
European DNA. If we check the charts, I would say
one's a fail, two's a fail. Maybe you get valid
authority check on three. Four is a fail for probable success. Proportionality,
you know, cutting off the heads of babies. If you're
looking at settlers on the West Bank, they're they're going
around killing Christians and Muslims. No, no proportionality. The force
used here is not at all proportionate. It's never proportionedate
form against force against women or children, and no more
than necessary. Come on, that's a overwhelming failure on the
fifth prong. And the sixth prong is you have to
have some sort of exit strategy. This is a newer
addendum that has been you know that was presumptively tacit
in the Tomistic formulation, but I think it makes sense
to add this idea of exit strategy as well. And
it's got to be fought fairly and quickly as possible.
And if recent American Neo conservative Jewish wars have been
have proven anything over the last forty to sixty years,
it's that we never have an exit strategy into a
military industrial complex guarantees, if anything, that these wars have
staying power long beyond the stated purpose of the war. Well,
I would, I say, I would, I would. I would
defer back to Jay on that one there too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the exit strategy is usually a financial one for
whoever is making the whoever's making off with the you know,
the Gladiol loot, and whether we're talking about Vietnam or Afghanistan,
you know, we're talking about pro tracted operations that somebody's
benefiting from. But what the general public is being pitched
on is definitely not you know, bearing fruit. But somebody
is benefiting from that, and it usually is some dark
accounted streams of money and usually the trillions of dollars,
especially when it involves drugs. I noted on all that stuff.
So I have to imagine the way we are on
the same page there. That's I want to move on
to this one new, brave, new world kind of thing.
You guys were talking about women before there too, and
this is something that CIA related. It was not too
long ago where we have it over here. I saw
that it was an October twenty twenty one CIA document
and it's been getting around now. I've been saving it
for a couple of weeks so that I had you
guys on women advancing white, racially ethnically motivated violent extremists.
Speaker 2: This was flagged the.
Speaker 6: Prioritization of motherhood and homemaking. This was flagged by the CIA,
I think recently. Just as recently in February of twenty
twenty six, John Ratcliffe, who's at the CIA, the director
right now, retracted it as one of I think eighteen
or nineteen intelligence products that were pulled due to bias.
And inside of this, it's talking about how women who
prioritize motherhood and homemaking as are are showing potential indicators
of racially and ethnically motivated violence extremism. So any kind
of sympathy toward that specifically cited groups who lauded these
are quote here lauded motherhood and homemaking as a woman's
most important responsibility. And you know, obviously you guys can
talk about this as tim you've you've published on the patriarchy. Jay,
you are also very you know, you have a lot
of output on this stuff, broadcasting breakdowns. You were talking
about intelligence and counterculture. You can get into all of that,
but specifically from a Brave New World area Jay, because
we read that book together, the family unit itself is
a threat to the state. Motherhood is becomes an obscenity
in that world. It's just crazy to see this being
retracted by the CIA, which obviously that can change like
the tides every four years.
Speaker 2: So it's crazy. This is this is just it's there
for anybody to read, and it's real.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: There was an article written a few years ago in
what's called the American Affairs Journal, and they were talking
about the CIA and its history of ideology amongst kind
of the members and its ethos.
Speaker 3: It's called its CIA and the.
Speaker 5: New Dialect of Power by River Page, and I recommend
reading that because the art argues that the CIA was
never really a quote right wing institution, even though for
a long time it was popular amongst the left, the
mainline left to characterize that during the Cold War some
sort of like far right fascist institution, and they usually
point to things like, oh, well you have you know
some of these William Casey era templars who are Roman
Catholic trad cats.
Speaker 3: Amongst the CIA, you have William Colby tradcat, and the.
Speaker 5: CIA yeah, but they weren't really expressing the overall ethos
of the CIA because it was always.
Speaker 3: A leftist institution.
Speaker 5: In fact, the way that they wanted to fight the
Soviets was not by returning to some paleo conservative ideology.
Speaker 3: The fight against the Soviets was waged.
Speaker 5: Through postmodern alliance with the French New Left, which they
brag about. Postmodernism became the ethos of the CIA during
the Cold War to fight Soviet cosmism and Soviet objectivism.
So you have to understand that it's not a right
wing versus left wing thing. They were always using liberalism
as the key element to win.
Speaker 3: The quote Cold War. That's why. For example, if you watch.
Speaker 5: Ury Besmanov, who people loved to tout as if he's
some sort of like awesome, you know, Cold warrior figure,
right wing guy, if you watched the full interviews, he
says stuff like we're only going to win the Cold
War when we have gay rights in the Eastern Bloc countries.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, people missed that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, So that's that's because the CIA is a
sort of postmodern liberal institution and always has been. It
was anti Soviet, it was never anti liberal and that's
the key point that people always misunderstand in terms of
dialectic So no, it's only natural that they would evolve
from that ideology into woke. I mean, woke is the
next logical step out of like postmodern ideology, which again
I think in my second book, the first chapter deals
with the CIA making alliances with dery Dah postmodernists, Jesuit postmodernists, Fuko,
all those guys were literally working with the CIA and
the Cold world, and people don't know that.
Speaker 3: And you said, well, why would they work with them?
Speaker 5: Because they thought that was a better method of defeating
the Soviet ideology, which is also atheistic. But the Soviet
and the solidness ideology was not. It's not liberal, it's
anti liberal, and byliberal I mean classical liberal ethos and
ideology is a fair, open borders, free markets, all those
ideas that come out as from the libertarian ethos, And
this is why libertarianism, which was supported about the CIA,
typically leads to woke ideology. That's why the CIA and
the Libertarian Party today is woke. They're like trans bro
trans all that nonsense. So it's only logical that the
CIA and the NSA themselves like I mean they were
putting out trans ads a few years ago, like oh,
we're so awesome because we recruit trands and you know
we we do all the rainbow flag stuff.
Speaker 3: See how woke we are.
Speaker 5: That's the logical result of the American leftist ethos.
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, And I remember those ads that was incredible,
the CIA ads, and and it was just like every
person there was just talking about how they're they're emotionally
crippled in one way or another other.
Speaker 2: This person is going to be behind some guy of auld.
Speaker 5: Imagine like like what is the It's so bizarre to
think that like your identity or equating intelligence was like
putting your penis in the poop hoole.
Speaker 3: It's just fucking retarded, dude. I'm so sick with it.
Speaker 2: I know, I know.
Speaker 6: It's well, that's why I say, when you can come
down to everything that the act that's put on top
of what is really just a very crude push for
for some I don't know, it's just it's all so crude.
Speaker 5: It's actually the brave New world though, Frank, Like, the
the reason that this is all pushed is because it
is what we read in our book club with you
bred New World.
Speaker 6: That's that's why Yes, and and Tim your thoughts on
this here too, just from the standpoint of everything you've published.
I mean this, this document operation operationalizes the States analytical apparatus.
Uh that that almost like pathologizes the biological family and
in in in many way, I mean that it's obstensibly
about race the document, but the actual surveillance trigger was
domestic role adoption and not ideology.
Speaker 2: It was just something.
Speaker 6: So it wasn't even talking about whether or not this
particular woman who is voting for one one way or
another when she goes into the voting booth. It wasn't
even about political ideology. It was more so about how
in line with nature.
Speaker 2: Is she?
Speaker 6: And so you know, it's almost like violent actors. It
was really building a profile on a type of woman.
And and yeah, it's it's a building block for some
scary Huxley type of stuff here.
Speaker 2: So what do you have to say about that. Interrogate
whether or not it's shame or force that the covert
left uses in the United States, I guess, and reinterrogate
whether it's shame or force that are the primary motivate
used by the left to force women out of the
home and into the workplace.
Speaker 3: There was an.
Speaker 2: Important recorded dialogue between Betty for Dan and Simone de
Beauvoir in I think nineteen seventy five, seventy four or
seventy five, and Simone de Beauvoir was French, obviously and
of the old Guard, heralding the view that look, we're French,
we don't have the exact same We love libertas, but
we don't have the same connection to it as a
nineteen seventies American. We advocate for French feminism by force
force women through regulation, actual legislation and threats by the
government to get out of the home and into the workforce.
And Betty for Dan, young Jewish who looked up to
de Beauvoir, said, well, of course, you know that doesn't
work in America. In America in the mid seventies, women
are going to have to be shamed to the workforce
from the home. And I think most Americans still have
this kind of team America fuck yeah view of us
in world policing, and they have a generally triumphalistic center
right view of us. Even leftists, I think even feminists
would have this and they'd say, yeah, we don't. We
have too much liberty here to go for the simone
de Beauvoir and everything you're saying about. You know that
you produced with the Biden doc proves that it's not
that way, actually left right center in America. You're wrong
if you assume that they, you know, the crypto the
shadow left feels above using outright coercion and force to
get women out of the workforce, out of the home
and into the workforce. Or the women who are returning
to the home, that they're not above using force to
to keep them in the workforce now that they've they've
left the home for the work force. So I think
it's just it's really important that I said, interrogate it
reinterrogate your own assumptions, general listeners as to what you
think the American government will do, what it will stoop
to to keep women in the workforce. They have, like
I think Nick Rockefeller said, Jay talks about this frequently
to his buddy. You know, they have two major incentives
for keeping women out of the home and in the workforce.
And it's double the taxation scheme, And of course the
big one is controlling hearts and minds of both women
and the children that'll be forced out of the homes.
As the women are forced of the homes, women or
children have to go to daycare. When women have to
they decide they want to go to work. So I
think it's really important that people realize it's not just
shame that American feminism uses the way that a lot
of people have read that dialogue, that the paradigm is
actually both banned. It's Elton suspenders, it's shame plus.
Speaker 6: Fource well you know, and and Jay you can you
can respond to this here too. That's why I still
I don't watch political rallies. I don't watch when people
when one campaign or like I can't tell you the
last time I watched a Trump rally, and all the
times that he has been out there campaigning, either for
midterm or his own his own presidency, I can't watch that.
I barely watch anything that is very but I do watch.
Speaker 2: I do watch No.
Speaker 6: King's Day, Man on the Street stuff like whenever they
when I've realized that they were out there protesting again
over the past week.
Speaker 2: I do watch that stuff. Whenever it comes up.
Speaker 6: I'll note it and I just it's so it's so
revealing you're not going to learn anything from people. But
as far as being able to really examine how people
an animal reacts after so much inundation from the state,
from whatever the hell they're they're whatever the the baseline
programming they got in school or anything else. It's crazy
to see what how people are functioning just as humans
right now and what they are trying to articulate what
they have no choice to articulate, but they are still
running on someone else's programming and you can't reach them
like that's that's that's a that's really uh frustrating. So
I'm glad that we all have a good sense of
humor because everything we discussed here tonight is really just
the way that it comes to fruition and the way
that it comes to the surface in uh an average
people who are at least you know, they get they're
driven out into the streets whenever somebody snaps their fingers.
I mean, you can see the programming is just it's
not that's irreversible stuff. What do you jay real quick
on that before we get to the last topic of.
Speaker 2: The night, wait, sense of humor, I would say the
litmus test is anybody that doesn't crack a smile when
when one of us up here says, put the penis
in the poopol, I don't want to. I just had
h said that shit, and I'm like smiling like a goon.
And if you think that's serious, then I don't want
to hang out with you. Man, I gotta get But I.
Speaker 3: Mean, like, I'm serious. It blows my mind that if
you just stop and think.
Speaker 5: From in and about like identity and imagine making that
your identity just just disgusting.
Speaker 3: Like my identity is getting shit on my dick from
some other dude's butthole. That's that's me. That is my identity.
How dare you?
Speaker 5: It's just so bizarre and weird and it has to
be demonic, right, And that's essentially why we say that
it's an unnatural act.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's just it doesn't.
Speaker 5: It's the funny thing about that document is that the
very thing that supposedly the CIA was warning about in
the Cold War that would happen if the Soviets and
the Communist took over America is exactly what that new
that CIA document that you're talking about they got retracted.
Speaker 3: It's exactly what that is. And that crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's funny, I heard Jay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Before we get onto this last thing here, I'm going
through a I'm going through what is going to be
at least two years worth of work on my personal
archives that I've had to take off the Internet several
times when the purging around here started getting so bad.
And the one thing that I'm having the really amazing,
uh you know, privilege of doing is revisiting all of
these incredible classic interviews and guest appearance that I was
appearances I've I've done with people, and between the Jay
Dyer and Timothy Gordon appearances, I mean, I can have
full playlists just dedicated to you guys showing up. It's
just awesome to see these shows throughout the years. And
what the reason why I'm bringing this up right now
is because there was a time not too long ago
that Jay was very very reserved with with how he
would say certain things or everything. And you still do it,
tiny mustache man, But you know that that's one of
my favorites.
Speaker 5: But you know what I mean, YouTube dude. Normally obviously
we would talk like normal dudes.
Speaker 6: No, absolutely, absolutely, But I love I love how it's
almost like right now, it doesn't even matter anymore, kind
of letting loose a little bit, you know, Skittles this,
Skittles that. But now we're just going full on ship
on dick. But anyway, let's let's just got.
Speaker 3: Disgusting to make some like a vile vice. Is the identity?
Isn't that bizarre?
Speaker 5: So it's not your heritage, it's not your tradition, it's
not your family, your your race, your religion.
Speaker 3: Your identity is like has to do with feces.
Speaker 6: But and this is the reason why I hate it.
I hate it so much where we are right now
because you know what I I don't I don't really
obsess over how people, how how people live. I just
want to want to take care of what's in what's
in front of me. But it's it is it is
that thing that is just so debasing to encourage people
to prioritize these things and have to be able to
put it out in front of you whenever you walk
walk into a room, because how else would you be
able to differentiate yourself from anybody else?
Speaker 3: You have to be.
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying, though, is that it's been engineered
to become an identity. Yeah, and the social engineers have
been very perceptive to that, being able to sell advice
as a thing that identifies you, which is just bizarre
to me.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I didn't mean to derail.
Speaker 1: And do that.
Speaker 6: But no, no, no, it's it's it's it's all part
of everything else. Here we're talking about subversion of society
and what would happen. Every time I see one of
those those pride flags that continue to they continue to
become more and more like kaleidoscopes every year, there's new
sections and new shapes that are they're becoming so fragmented
and crazy. But whenever I see one of those flags
in its latest form, that's all I think about, What
is it? What are we really talking about it? What
are you really what are you really signaling to the world?
And it's it's sick. It's sick that everybody wants to
stay on the on the top level of that. Anyway,
here's something I want to hear, something that might bring
us all together.
Speaker 2: Maybe not.
Speaker 6: You guys have had some very well viewed debates over
the last couple of years debating Catholic Orthodox teachings history,
you know, and it's it's wonderful to watch people really
enjoy that. It's we're learning more than we did in school.
But what I haven't heard you guys discuss enough, and
I don't know, maybe I just missed it, was what
the bare minimum criteria are that would need to be
agreed upon for there to be some acceptable communion between
the churches again, because I know it isn't all about
papal authority. So I have some questions, like, for example,
I had a person right into the show about a
month or so ago, said Frank next time Jay and
and Tim Iron bring this up. And I think Michael
is writing from the standpoint of an orthodox Christian, says
Frank Rome needs to apologize for the Fourth Crusade, which
is still recalled vividly by Greeks return relics, which I
want to know specifically what that means, which relics were taken.
And then the pope, of course has the honor of
first among equals, but no right to interfere with the
traditional privileges of independent patriarchs. And that's what they brought
up when I said I wanted to talk to you
guys about reconciliation one day.
Speaker 2: So Jay, let's talk.
Speaker 6: You start first, tell me first which relics, what is
he talking about with relics, and then go off and
just tell us what criteria need to be met in
your eyes, and then tim, you go, well, I.
Speaker 5: Think that would be more of a minor thing. I
don't think the returning of verse relics is.
Speaker 2: Necessarily It was interesting. It was interesting for me to
just I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like so, over the years.
Speaker 5: In the Middle Ages, when the schism was really solidifying,
the Byzantines would tend to draw with the Gould Byzantine lists.
And those lists are not definitive because they're just sort
of decentralized and they vary across different jurisdictions and whatnot.
But the idea is essentially that there's there are probably
about thirty, loosely speaking, issues that I think the Orthodox
Church would see as kind of non negotiables. More recently,
one of the most famous bishops of Greece, Metropolitan Seraphimpireus,
he wrote a letter to Francis when Francis was elected,
and it's more of a short book than it is
a letter, but there's probably about third thirty or so.
Speaker 3: I want to say. It's thirty I tweeted this back
at the time. I can go find the old tweet.
But I mean it would be several things.
Speaker 5: It would be like even to the point of like,
we couldn't really agree that you can forbid infants from
having communion in the Orthodox view, that was something that
was universal east and West before the Carolinian period when
it changed. Obviously the big ones would be like the
Filly o'quin, that kind of stuff. We couldn't agree to
the definition of lines in Florence. We could certainly agree
that there's a through that occurs, which is what you know,
our councils teach at blacker Nae.
Speaker 3: Obviously you mentioned.
Speaker 5: Earlier the papacy, but we could definitely agree to first
among equals and so nodality, but we would never agree
to universal premise and jurisdiction. So I think the main
issue is also though beyond those kind of theological lists
that could be made, as Rome has also sort of
solidified its positions on a lot of these issues posts posts,
you know, second millennium. So if in the second millennium
these all these things that are dogmatized, there's not really
a way to unite the churches without kind of admitting, well,
the last thousand years of our dogmas were also incorrect.
So that's a huge sticking point. But beyond all that,
I want to stress too that and I think Tim
would agree with this point, even though I'm sure it
would disagree with the previous points. A lot of the
motivations for reunion in the present time are unfortunately not
based on true theology or doctrine.
Speaker 3: They're really based on a lot of.
Speaker 5: Political factors, liberal kumbaya, let's just all get along to
pretend that we all agree factors. I can see that
geopoliticals the CIA in the State Department, actually have a
huge role in promoting acumenism, so that's another another issue.
Speaker 3: But I mean, yeah, that's that's all I say for that.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's that's that seems a little bit more, a
little bit more comprehensive than I thought I would. I
have to I have to read these these thirty points,
that's for sure. But Tim, your your thoughts, because I
want I want to hear about this.
Speaker 2: Well, when we talk about necessities, there's sort of counterintuitive.
There's permissive and there's mandatory necessities that of course the
Roman Catholic Church has been in such a seculum obscureum
with the recent popes over the last seventy years, that
things are so loosey goosey. You know, we we have
JP two signing the document, even with the Lutherans, that
it's like it. It sort of dwarfs the differences with
Eastern Orthodoxy in comparison, and that's that's not a good thing.
That's something that it's an area where you know, you
aim small and you miss small. I would agree with
Jay that minutia actually matters, and I would agree with
with Eastern Orthodo that we should not be diminishing intentionally
that which divides us, even though it's compared against the
Protestantism much much, much less capacious. I would say this,
this is one perfect example of what I mean as
regards the Phillyoque. A lot of folks don't understand that
after the Union of Florence, in order to keep other
congregations or churches that might have followed, you know, the Russians,
after the Council of Florence, the Roman Catholic Church was
making concessions to Eastern Catholics. Stay Catholic and we will
let you have your liturgy and that's why we have
all of these, you know, twenty one rights in the
Catholic Church, which is ridiculous. We can't have the Tridentine
Latin Mass as normal as the Roman right, but everyone
else in the East can have an Eastern Catholic right.
That's sort of a side issue, but they got some
goodies for staying Catholic, so the Eastern Catholic rights uh,
technically aren't even required anymore. A lot of people don't
know this to recite the phillyoquay when they say the
Creed at Mass, that they can omit the Philly Oquay
during the Creed. It's it's it's kind of bullshit. But
you know, the church has been lucy goossy for the
better part of one hundred years now, and this enabled
these these people to not only keep their liturgy, but
they don't really even have to say what that which
divided them. All they had to do was be for
the papacy. So it's one of these periods that's a
second and obscure where we have such a such a
it's been called a pornocracy before uh, periods where we
get bad popes that it almost seems like we're straining
at NATS to talk about that which divides us, but
obviously that the papacy. We'd have to agree to terms
once for all. What what does universal jurisdiction require? Not
just what does it mean? But what does it require?
Tends to be the more important constitutional term. And you know,
just look at modeling from what did you guys accept
in terms of what universal primacy of universal jurisdiction required
in the first millennium? What were you on board for?
Speaker 3: What are you not?
Speaker 2: This would require a straightening out of Vatican One, which
is a little bit of a man I'm one of
the Catholics as a papal minimalist, I'm always saying, it's
not just Vatican two that needs to be straightened out,
it's also Vatican One. And it's more understandable the impetus
for the need for the straightening out of Vatican One
because it was interrupted by the Franco Prussian War, and
they really only accomplished the first half, which was outlining
adumbrating the sovereign powers of the pontiff his collegial friend
brother bishops, was what they were going to tend to next.
That was the other half of the purpose. Of Vatican One,
and unfortunately the Franco Prussian War broke out, they didn't
even close the Council until right before Vatican two, so
further best hundred years.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So okay, So I guess we're much farther away
than we think, maybe a few life maybe a few
lifetimes away, because what you're essentially saying, Tim, is that
the current state of Rome is so messy that we
needed about one hundred and fifty years just to just
just to button up the problems that are that are
there within just within their their ranks like that.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, I mean, the Philly Oquay was always I
would say this, this is kind of this is sort
of light at the end of the tunnel from the
Catholic point of view, because things have been lenient on
the Philly Oquay, theologically lenient well before Vatican too. And
it's not just nonsense. They're they're actually stricter on identifying
what what separates Catholic and Orthodox than we are. Well,
we we could kind of Philly Oquay the Catholic position
even before Attican two and things got old hairy, would
be probably less of a less of a big deal
from a Catholic perspective than an Orthodox perspective. The papacy
and identifying what's required by the Catholic adambration of the
papacy is really going to be the big one. And
then we would have to We have attempted to apologize
for the Fourth Crusade. I think John Paul the Second
returned like Chrysostom and Nazi Ensen first Order rout or something. Yeah,
and that was bad. The Fourth Crusade was bad. And
you know, I mean, say what you will about the
jqu I certainly do on Twitter these days, but you know, guys, yeah,
was getting crazy up in here with regard to even Jerusalem.
So Fourth Crusade got got wild. And we have tried
to apologize, and some of the relics are are have
been restored from the Fourth Crusade. But I would also
say the other important one that doesn't get a lot
of play. I'm curious what Jay would say with this
is the in terms of the species of the sacrament
that you know, you know, we would have to have
some sort of agreement as to levend or on Levened.
That's probably a bigger deal for Orthodox than even Us.
Speaker 6: But you know, because I wouldn't even know what we're
talking Orthodox they can come to a Catholic church. They
can they can receive communion, but we would not be
able to receive at an Orthodox church.
Speaker 2: Is that right, Jay?
Speaker 3: Correct? Okay?
Speaker 6: I thought it was something like that. Oh, either way, Jay,
respond to what he said before. I know, I only
have you to the top of the hour, so I
don't want to keep you too long.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have time. But what exactly what was
the question? I apologized, No, Tim, what did you bring up?
Speaker 2: What would you just say? That is something I was saying,
the Philly Philly oquay. We tend to take a less
capacious view of the that which divides us on the
on the issue of the phillyoquay, and and that that
one I think could have from a Catholic perspective, could
probably actually be worked out, not just because of the
fruitiness of the recent Seculum obscurum, the Vatican two secular obscirum.
I'm saying, along legitimate Catholic measuring grounds, we could we
could probably work out the Philly oquay from a Catholic perspective.
I think they would. They would have more sticking points there.
But the papacy things, the big one, and then I
also just said levend Or on Levin. That's that's that's
that's what, that's what the real thing I want.
Speaker 3: The eleven those are all one definitely ones that would
make the list.
Speaker 5: Like I said, much Falton Star from the Prayas list,
those are all in there for sure. The only thing
I would say about the Phillioque is, well, the Vatican
put out their statement on the Philly okay, which was
I won't say in the nineties. It's just called like
the Vatican Statement on the Phillioquay, and it's like a
thirty page essay, which you know, so it was important,
you know, Theological Commission essay that was approved by the
Pope back of the time. And it does concede quite
a bit and it recognizes most of the Eastern critiques.
But the problem is that there is one phrase towards
the end of it where it says the two views
are still intentioned over the issue of the Father as.
Speaker 3: The soul cause or arkae.
Speaker 5: So it basically admits and still kind of restates what
I was saying earlier that Lions and Florence have already
kind of dogmatized in a double eternal Hypostidic procession view.
And if they had not dogmatized that phrase from Augustina
on the Trinity, then it might have been easier to
make that work with like the cop of Docean model
of the Father as the soul arka. But aside from
the Philly oquay, I think there's are other issues too
that probably Roman Catholics don't see as an important that
we would see as important. For example, the notion of
creative grace is something that we could never accept. There's
other things that we would disagree with too, like to
be a Tipig vision, so you know, those kinds of
things are things that could just not never be accepted
by an Orthodox person. So the fact that you have
Uni its allowed to do that, we would actually argue
that's actually a net negative because if you look at
the way that the Second and Third Council speak of
the Creed, they speak of it like there's one creed.
And even if you think the and I think Tom
was actually kind of hinting at this, even if you
think that the philioque could be left out, well, if
it's there, you're supposed to say it, because the Second
and Third Councils necessitate say there's only one creed, and
after ephesis the Canons say you can't change it. So
even if the change was in it, then the Unia
should still say the Philly oquay, because that's that's the
rule of the church, is that there's one creed, so
there shouldn't be too crees in the church. And we
would argue that that's actually a net negative and shows
that the Orthodox tradition is correct in preserving the original
wording of the creed. So but aside from that, again,
there's other issues too that I think we wouldn't I mean,
I mean again beyond even like the theological stuff, like
there's you know, there's issues that are brought up by
betch Balitan Surferm and his letter, like you know, the
geopolitical entainlements of the Vatican. And I'm not saying that, oh, well,
the Russian patriarch has he has the political entainlements. You know,
there's a specific idea that you know, the Vatican be
its own city state, that it can have its own
you know, Vatican Bank, all that kind of stuff. Like
we would have issues with that stuff too, given the
fact that, for example, the ancient Canons forbid clergy from
being involved in the civil state. So I'm not saying
that the real the Orthodox have been completely free from that.
It's still wrong when the Orthodox do it. If there
was a Russian bishop in the seventy hundreds that went
to battle, like, still not right to do that. So
for us, even though even though they might not seem
like major issues to Rouman Catholic we would see those
things that's still problematic because it's a confusing of the
role of church and state. And as some Orthodox philosophers
and historians have argued, and again I know somethe's going
to disagree with this, but I would we theyafinitly make
the argument that one of the reasons that you get
that the idea of a secular state is because the
papacy took on a role of the state, which there
should be a Christian state, but it's the church isn't
the state. So when you get the medieval papacy kind
of taken on a lot of geopolitical power, we would
argue that that's another very crucial historical iss that even
though the post Vatican do papacy has kind of eschewed
the idea both of a Christian state and the temporal
supremacy of the Roman bishop. We would have to say
that those that also have to be rejected.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh there's a lot. There's a lot here.
Speaker 6: I would definitely have to do like a micro topic
or two with you guys down the line, just because
I learned a lot just from watching you guys not
only publish on your own but also talk to each
other that because there's there's there's a lot here for
me too, I mean, just even with just the I
mean my my personal reversion to going to church. Has
it happened during Francis, you know, and then after you know,
so I've almost like when it comes to the papency,
I've also I've almost like I feel like I've I've
learned to live without them.
Speaker 5: Can I add to Frank that to concede one of
the points that Tim was making earlier. I mean, you've
had pretty significant history of Greek Orthodox patriarchs and bishops
also being freemasons. So I don't want to give the
impression that I'm saying, oh, ha ha ha, you have
all these problems in Rome.
Speaker 3: We don't have that.
Speaker 5: No, I think Bartholomew was as bad as Francis was,
or any of these people and.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know Bartholo Ui is a Mason, but we
do know that if you go back to like one
hundred years the patriarch of Constantinople was an open freemason
one hundred years ago. So it does the same type
of subversion exists Orthodox Church theory. I'm just saying that
we should recognize it and admit that, not trying to
give some false and no.
Speaker 6: And that's where I get a lot of a lot
of value out of out of listening to these discussions
and being a part of it. I don't really see
this as a debate, and I don't see myself as
a moderator. But like for example, for instance, when I
when I, when I listened about you know, argument is
about papal authority between the Orthodox and the Catholic Church,
and Tim knows is about me because you know we've
been friends all throughout the year. That I start getting
closer and closer to the church again and just having
that be a part of my life and giving myself
over to it. You know, that was all during Francis's pontificate,
and on a personal level, I believed he was a
particularly wicked man, and especially when it comes to politics,
it doesn't seem like Leo is too much of a
radical departure from the standard of you know, what kind
of a political figure are we used to the pope
being over the course of however, many decades now, so
I've kind of, like I said, learned to get along
without the Pope since my reversion. And honestly, it wasn't
very hard to do. I just go to Mass, you know,
and I kind of like try to forget about what's
going on in Rome. So it's almost like the judiciary
in the United States with me. If the Chief Justice
stringently upholds the Constitution, then good on them, Good on them.
But if they don't take a peer purely, if they
take a purely activist position on one thing or another,
I feel like it's our duty, you know, And it
rarely is done over here in the United States on
a civic level, to ignore their opinion and to carry
on with what you know is right. So I mean
it just that's just when it comes. I gotta make
a plug here.
Speaker 2: This is why pap minimalism is not some departure that's
a novelty in the church from church tradition. Like papal minimalism,
is the way in the nine hundreds there is something
called the secondlum obscureum. It was a pornocracy, is what
church historians, well reputed church historians called it, of men
who are so bad, hopes who are so bad. This
is before even you know, ten fifty four, that you
could only say these guys, these are some of the
worst men in the world, doing some of the worst things.
And it's kind of the norm. I mean, if you
look at the Avignon papacy or the Great Western Schism
which followed not Great Schism, but the the Avignon papacy,
when most of Western Christendom, because it was after ten
to fifty four, didn't know who was pope, the French
guy or the Roman guy. And then at some later
point fifty years later there was a Peasan, So there's
a peas in contender for pope, a Roman, a Frenchman.
People lived their entire seventy five year lifespan not knowing
who was really the pope. You know, four hundred years
before that you had the secular mubscurrum. We've had periods
in the sixteen hundreds with really bad pope secularm obscurum.
So the pope is a guy that's supposed to roost
on the doctrines of the church. He is not what
has been suggested by even so many Catholics, by the
pope splanners out there. And it's really important to Catholic
identity that we set our expectations appropriately for scale slash scope,
because if you think that the pope has to be
a really holy guy, you know, get with forty eight
of the first forty nine popes were really holy guys,
they're saints. Since then, we haven't had many saints. Since then,
We've had about two hundred and thirty popes and only
about thirty of them have been two hundred and twenty
popes and only about thirty of them have been saints.
We've had a lot of really bad and mediocre men
in that time and that's nothing new. So the way
you returned under Francis, and stats are showing a lot
of zoomers returned under Francis, a lot of zoomers are
going Orthodox as well. They're widespread coming to the realization
that Protestantism is just Enlightenment secularism with Jesus so a
lot of new Catholics and a lot of new Orthodox.
The pope doesn't matter for that. The pope is there
because we say we do need a visible sign of
unity on earth. But it's in the office, not the man.
So what you're describing is not a foible of postmodernity
or a foible of even the twentieth first century. We've had.
We've had bad popes all along, after those first forty nine,
almost all of them but one we're saints. We've had
a run of mostly mediocre or worse men. So that's
important I think for Catholics to understand that, Well, it's good.
Speaker 6: We're all we're all flawed, that's the good thing. I'm
always just wondering about salvation. I just want, I just
I just want to go and hang out in heaven
with you guys one day, and everybody in the audience,
if we can all just just hang out in heaven
one day, that'll be a good thing. And uh, And
that's what I'm just trying to get to the bottom
of here. Hey, would you guys be able to be
the best man to a friend of yours who doesn't
belong to either your church or uh taking part in
an interfaith marriage or something like that. Would you would
you have would you be able to accept that, to
be to bear witness to that in an official capacity
or or is there is that a no go?
Speaker 2: Are you all answer versus Jay still there? It's it's
a weird uh, nothing in the Mids. So if it's
any kind of other Christian deni domination, then the answer
is no. If it's a straight up court secular wedding, yeah,
Catholics are even weirdly at that. If it's like, as
long as you're not on the green, then fine, But
if you're close to the whole on the green then
then if.
Speaker 6: So, if you're you're just going to a civil union,
if you're going to to a courthouse, the bear witness that,
you can do that. But you couldn't show up and
be a best man to two friends who are Protestants.
Speaker 2: You could show up to the wedding, Uh, but you
could be the best man. You couldn't take a role.
It depends. It depends on whether or not it would
be it would involve a religious role. But generally speaking,
think of it like that, nothing in the Mids, Okay,
and it couldn't You couldn't go to a courthouse. If
it was an apostate who was like or a Catholic
who was duty bound to have a Catholic wedding, then no,
you couldn't do it. But if it was just your
secular buddy and he's just getting married at the courthouse,
yeah you could go and celebrate with him, and I
guess try not to be annoying, bit evangelize or whatever. Jay,
what about you? Is there any is there anything that
it's a no go for you?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: Probably, like Tim said, you know, there could be some
situations where one's priest or bishop could give the approval
to attend at varying levels and capacities. For us, it's
more so exactly what level of participation would be required
in the ritual or the act, So I mean standing
at the altar or something like that of a so
called altar of a Protestant church, stuff like that. It
might be there might be an allowance that one spiritual
father or bishop could give for something, But we're still
bound by the ancient canons, particularly like Trello and Quintessex,
that say that you cannot participate in the worship at schismatic,
heretical or Muslim or synagogues. It doesn't mention Muslims yet,
but you can't. You can't go to synagogues or heretical
sex for worships. So only under certain approved circumstances could
one participate in some ritual at that capacity.
Speaker 6: Okay, figured Night asked. I thought that was interesting, I
throw in there. Well, listen, fellas, this has been wonderful
just to be able to catch up with you guys again.
I've got we've got some good news, you know, to
jump into with the with what's going on in France.
I'm sure that that'll give us some things to talk
about over the course of the summer. I'm sure, I'm
sure we'll be able to be uh talk about the
UFO disclosures coming soon.
Speaker 3: That sigh.
Speaker 5: By the way, I can't believe I found this old tweet.
I did actually find under I put it underneath your
show here. I did find that list from six years
ago that I put on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 5: Oh, thirty one thirty one issues that Metropolitans Seraphim A.
Speaker 3: Praus lists. He's just following the sort of the Byzantine
lips model. There.
Speaker 6: Okay, perfect, now, okay, So I'm gonna be reading through
that later on. This will just be another one that's
at the add to the the archive here.
Speaker 5: So Jay the actual letter too, it's you're interested, and
it's funny because he he says quite a bit of
a sassy stuff to to Francis Seraphim's letter.
Speaker 2: I see that over here too, all right, so I
like both of it.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 2: Is that the Kyle Serafim letter.
Speaker 3: No, it's Metropolitan Seraphim a paras in Greece. He's prominent.
Speaker 5: He's like a prominent traditional Orthodox priest and Greece that like,
he still does the anathemas and he'll stay, he'll he'll
stay like you know, in the Anathema service on on
Sunday of Orthodoxy, trying for Orthodoxy for the high cons
he'll still say like Zionists are uh actually anathema, He'll say,
Joeah's Witnesses are anathema. So he's kind of known for
like because in other words that like the left.
Speaker 2: Taste this right, Okay, Well, I got a lot of
good stuff to this.
Speaker 6: This is another good one, guys, And I'd love to
have you guys back on some time over the course
of the summer perhaps who the hell knows, but Jay,
let everybody know where you're going to be next, because
your tour is not done yet, right.
Speaker 5: Uh No, most of the interviews haven't even come out yet,
only a couple of them have. But I think the
Jesse Lee Peters someone is going to be really funny.
We had a pretty humorous debate about the Trinity and
the d D. Christ we had, I think my John
Kurioku interview.
Speaker 3: He had me on. I think that's going to be
one of the highlights.
Speaker 5: That one came out really well, so it was really
cool to talk to, you know, really prominent former CIA
operative and also Orthodox by the way. So I think
those are going to be the hot ones coming out.
There's a bunch more that still haven't dropped. But I
will also be on back with Carold Crowder as co
host and Tim just went on with Gerald recently, but
I don't know what we're talking about. Last time, we
had a pretty interesting exchange about Christian Zionism. So we
have that one and then I think everything everything else
will be leaking out slowly.
Speaker 6: I saw that one. I think I saw that one.
I'm looking forward to jesse Lee Peterson. He's a he's
an og and what else?
Speaker 2: What else there?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, if there's something I can bring you guys
both on to talk about as a group again one night,
it would be the Trinity. I still have so many
questions about the Trinity. And and just when I think
where it's starting to sink in and it all flows
logically for me, I lose it and I start and
I start, you know, researching again and trying to get
that understanding back.
Speaker 2: So for two guys like yourselves who have really.
Speaker 6: Have really digested this and and uh and and understand it,
I need you to make that complex math simple for me.
So it'll uh, that'd be wonderful if we can have
you guys back just to talk about that in the future.
Speaker 2: Jan and I were having a meal after the second
debate we did last summer, and we were like, let's
let's not do anymore of these because that one went
like five hours on I guess Elijah Shaeffer and so yeah,
as long as it's as long as we're cool not debating.
I'm focusing on debating bronze sexuals on Twitter right now,
and I'm gonna be debating shadows Kestenbaum hopefully on peers.
Speaker 3: Man, are you serious? I tried that he would not
debate me, and you got him to debate you.
Speaker 2: Well, Carrie said, look, I want I want you to
debate Tim for me. I don't want to do it.
And I was like, who would want to debate a
girl anyway shadows, even if you're a Jew. But so
so yeah, supposedly it's gonna happen, you know, he debating.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 2: I don't know because he says he doesn't want it
to be theology. I was like, well, because you have
no because right your temple fellons.
Speaker 5: That is exactly what he turned out. So we were
going to debate Chris Zionism and should Christians support you know,
the Temple and Israel and all this stuff, and he
said no, So.
Speaker 2: He doesn't for for obvious reasons. He doesn't want it
to be theology. But I just want to be on
there and talk about well, you know, ask him, ask
him some basic questions about Judeo Christian because he's a
big supporter of Judeo Christian should be a thing. And
uh my brother was even telling me, hey, just ask
him the basics, man, like well what you know, what
do you guys believe? About Jesus. That's really what I
would want to ask him, like, why don't you tell us,
why don't you say it instead of hushing it? Is
it anti semitic? Task? What Jews believe about you?
Speaker 3: Like, tell me what I mean. Look, let's just be honest.
Speaker 5: Talmudic Rabbinic Judaism in the second third, fourth century is
solidified partly in antithesis to the rise of Christianity, right,
So it's literally defined out of opposing Christianity.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, that's all you want. You just want it
from the horse's mouth because they're always saying maybe this
Yeshu is not the real issue. It's like stop, just stop, dude,
you know we But anyway, I frank to answer your
question that that's something upcoming for me. Number two, I
would I would come back and do a trinity thing.
If it's like, hey, what is what did the Catholics believe?
What Orthos believe? That that would be right.
Speaker 6: Also, there's there's differences, there's differences on that on that
respect too.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, that's that's that what Jay was referring to
when he was talking about, you know, the Cappadocian view
of the Trinity versus the Augustinian view of the trinity.
That's what that's what the Philly okoye really okay really
is It's not from from the Creed.
Speaker 3: Huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we could solidify those in Layman's England. When
you're going at like combat like we were doing last summer,
it's easy to devolve into the technical terms. But if
we were doing sort of non combat, well here's our view,
we could we could break it down.
Speaker 6: It's basically it's it's basically just just the concept of
three in one that that that's just really uh that
I want to get into a one point.
Speaker 5: I think what Tim's saying, in which I agree, would
be the best way to approach it is just to
have like a back and forth where like you know,
Tim says what his view is for x amount of time,
five minutes, three minutes, whatever, and then I respond with
the orthox position that way that we basically we're just
stating positions. But yeah, we both have kind of wanted
to move on tossed you know, the same mold sort
of you know, because I mean, how many times you
have to have like the papacy debatement had a million times,
And like I told Tim back then like, you know,
I'm actually enjoying quite a bit debating other topics, right
because I've been debating theology stuff for twenty years, twenty
five years, so it's fun to actually get out here
and like debate briand Shapiro on his like atheism and
relativism and politics and then you know, anyway, now.
Speaker 6: I understand, I understood. I'm not I'm not actually interested
in hosting debates. I'm I'm actually just I just want
to go here for I want to ask questions and
be here for a dialectic because I learned something, you know, So.
Speaker 2: I have to tell you something though I forgot. I
forgot to text you yesterday, so you might actually have
to fly out here to South Mississippi for our thing
because I got someone gave me Shia Labuff's number and
I tried it, and I'm not sure if I was
getting you, know fully fully lucid responses, but I was
getting responses from from Shia, and so we might, you know,
it was it was funny what he was responding with you,
saying he was going to go on to Francis run.
Are you sure?
Speaker 6: I'm sure you sure you weren't going to chat GPT
that was pretending to be Shia Labuff. I'm pretty sure
that's what we We should have all we all. Damn it,
I should have put that into the notes tonight. We
should have spent a little bit more time actually assessing
and breaking down and really just talking about his character
arc Right now, I think it's Shilah buff character arcis
and credit. I know Jay you've been you commented on
that there too. Damn it, I completely forgot until right now. Anyway, Anyway,
maybe there's gonna be another chance sometime soon, but.
Speaker 3: Well we might.
Speaker 2: You might have the chance to You said you're gonna
fly down here interview with him, with me at this
desk if I can get him to come out to
my studio. You know, it's only ninety minutes from where
he lives. I also know what part of New Orleans
he hangs out in because I go to New Orleans
very frequently.
Speaker 5: Why don't you include me in that I'm not far
from you, Tim, If I promise not to try to
prop again with the Orthodoxy connect, no.
Speaker 2: I told you you're always welcome. So yeah, if I
get Shy out, we can all just hang out show him,
you know, solidified. If all four of us can hang
out that that'd be nuts. That'd grab Brett Farr.
Speaker 6: Who's down the street from me. Okay, it'll just be
a monthly crew. All right, Well listen to this might
be the start of something really interesting. All the best
of both of you guys. Jasonalysis dot Com, Timothy J.
Gordon over here will go what's up?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I know.
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They're wonderful fellas. I can't wait to have them back.
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going on, but it'll happen, you know, it'll happen. I
got a lot to read now, that's a good thing.
I have more stuff to do with you, guys. Let's
we have to talk about Christy Noan, Christy Nome's cross
dressing husband flaunting giant fake tits. Oh my, you can't
tell me she didn't know. I wonder what I wonder.
It just really makes you wonder. We'll get into that
in a set. Let me go into the chat and
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Speaker 2: Let's take some calls. Nine one four, two hundred two
sixty nine.
Speaker 6: I'm leaving the lines open, and we're gonna get uh,
We're gonna get into these the rest of these comments.
Let's see ex Irrational says awesome show. There's an amazing
traditional Catholic Latin mass near me. I've been baptized and
confirmed when I was younger, and I really want to
get the wife into it so we can go together
and get baby JC baptized there. I know I should
go more, but it's hard. I've never been to a
Latin Mass in my life. I would love to, Uh,
Lauren says can Jay comment on the KGB in Russian
Orthodox Church, he said, they have their own issues with Mason's,
but how about becoming a government arm.
Speaker 2: I did not see that in time, gonna bring it
up though, he he, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Towards the end he did talk about their own pitfalls
and their own levels of you know, infiltration here, so
maybe he saw the super chat. Maybe that's why he
said that. Also to keep the playing field level. And yeah,
I'm not a debate guy. I'm not a debate guy
I don't like, I consider, especially when they're friends too,
I would be more than happy to bring on two
people who I don't really have too much a connection
with other than my interest in their involvement or their
work within one or more categories of research or something,
and to be able to pit them in a civilized
way against each other, to see what kind of position
wins out, at least logically for me. So that's that's
the position I always thought I would take whenever we
finally do a flat earth show, because I'd rather have
some he asks some really good questions from I don't
know a spherical earth standpoint, and see who comes out
looking like they know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: Uh eight, you're on the air.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Hey, Frank Gary Marcano. I just wanted to say,
real quick, I want to hear their opinion next time
you see those guys on cremation, because it was the
Haresy and Becautholicism until nineteen sixty three and it's still
been in Orthodoxy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I was thinking about that when
I was driving around today too, I said, should I
ask them about cremation, more especially water cremation that we
were talking about last night, where they're kind of like
composting people and turning them into.
Speaker 2: Sludge for crops.
Speaker 6: That that is more so with the whole water cremation
where they kind of dissolve you in a vat of
liquid or something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 7: It interesting because I know one of the men proponents
these days is the Neptune Society, and you're the ones
like doing coral reefs and all that.
Speaker 2: You call them a Neptune Society.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Neptu Society nationwide cremation provider established in nineteen seventy three,
specializing in affordable direct cremation and pre planning services. With
over one hundred locations. They offer straightforward, often prepare prepaid
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and ocean scattering options.
Speaker 7: But yeah, there were no cremations in the Western world
before like the eighteen seventies, since ancient times.
Speaker 6: Really, Yeah, I've seen some I've seen some reels on
that priests from certain sects and traditions and all that stuff,
you know, giving their their respective opinions on how on
what that, what that really means.
Speaker 7: Well, it used to be like for instance, the Roman
Catholic Church dug up it's kind of horrible, but they
dug up the corpse of John Wycliffe and burned it
as like a posthumous cremation, as like a punishment for
being a heretic.
Speaker 2: Jeez, jeez, Louise, that's it.
Speaker 7: And the burning, which is of the state kind of
thing and all that, that's it.
Speaker 6: Just when you think you're getting into heaven, then somebody
starts burning your body down at Earth.
Speaker 7: I think I think that God can, like you know,
you could put you back together from dust in the
corner of the universe. But it's just kind of rejecting.
It's it's spitting in its face really.
Speaker 2: Well, you know. It always leads to those very same comments.
Thank you for the call, sir, All the same comments.
Speaker 6: What like last night when I was talking about that
Oklahoma bill that was going to allow for human composting
over there. Of course that is a red state as
opposed to like the twelve or thirteen other states that
are already doing the human composting that are all liberal.
It's all the same thing with people in the chat rooms,
aside from just being a chats and comments, as I
from being like horrified and morbidly curious about the whole process.
They also say, well, you know there are no new cemeteries.
Why are there no new cemeteries? And I looked into
that thing, and it's not that there are no new cemeteries,
but you think that there would be a lot more.
Speaker 2: You really do?
Speaker 6: You think that there'd be a lot more. And I
guess the cremation has kind of offset that in a way.
But most people will think, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
that's in the food. We've been eating the bodies ourselves. Man,
I remember when, was it twenty eighteen or was it
post COVID?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There was a rash of.
Speaker 3: Was it was.
Speaker 6: I know some of it was just parody and trying
to get people up in arms, like the Cannibal Club
in Los Angeles that was getting a but there was
a lot of restaurants opening up that were cannibal themed.
It was cannibal themed. But there was this other woman.
There's somebody in like the Netherlands or something like that
that said that we should eat Okay, let me see
here what European politician suggests eating human bodies.
Speaker 2: Come on, give it to me.
Speaker 6: There's no credible evidence that any European politician has suggested
eating human bodies.
Speaker 8: No, there is.
Speaker 6: You just shut your damn mouth, a Swedish scientist comments.
In twenty nineteen, Magnus Sunderland, a behavioral science as a
professor of Stockholm School of Economics, suggested in a panel
discussion that eating human flesh from dead bodies might be
a way to combat climate change if I that societal
taboos could be overcome. He's an academic, not a politician.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, oh, my bad.
Speaker 6: A suggestion was part of a controversial and provocative discussion
on future food sustainability. Yeah, we were getting a lot
of shit like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: News stories like that just tend to cluster around each
around itself.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 6: Pink Sale says, I can't believe I wasn't already subscribed
to Jay and Timothy before tonight. Great guests and great
show as always. Well hey did you were you the
two hundred thousandth for Jay? AMANDASN says, great guest, great show,
Love you, Amanda, Thank you so much. Over on Rumble,
You've got a nice little, nice little tribe hanging out
over there and awaken Boomer Grady always on a night
when nothing's going on on Rumble, I know that the
is going to be a nice little uh, a nice
little something from from Awakened Boomer.
Speaker 2: Hi, Frank.
Speaker 6: While there's much I disagree with him about, it's a
pleasure to listen to Tim and Jay great show. Well
listen if there are there are certain points during those
conversations that even I'm like, Okay, noted, I'm gonna have
to go look into that later on, and I should have.
And I always remind myself, you're you know, you gotta
go basic, But sometimes I don't want to go basic.
I want to I just wanted to jump right into
the uh, the weeds there about reconciliation and if that's
if that's possible, it doesn't seem like it's possible within
my lifetime.
Speaker 2: But still.
Speaker 6: There's that Tommy Jekyl, what's going on there, Tommy Corey
j thank you, uh safety that says I am so joyfully, happily, thrilled,
beyond gay. Thank you, Paulie Paulie nine three sixty three.
He put in a fleet Wow.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Paulie.
Speaker 6: Hey, listen, the more you guys send in the more,
the better we can operate over here at the show.
And also the better we could, the better your chances
for me to picking you as the winner on Thursday
Night whenever we do our superchat raffles Amber This Cat.
My dream is that one day there'd be so many
super chats coming in that I can't do the raffles
anymore because I can't. I can't actually manage all the names,
and I have to find some other way, some other
game to play.
Speaker 2: But that would be a whole new world. Jr. At
the Lake Amber This Cat, Happy Tuesday, Frank Guy no Jr. Again.
Speaker 6: Tommy says, are we on pace to hitting the evening
gold pill goal? Maybe that fleet was big? Okay, here
it is. Everybody take a look at this talking about big,
a big fleet. Shocking pictures of Christy Nomes's cross dressing
husband flaunting giant fake breasts revealed, sparking grave security questions.
There are photos at allegedly show Christy nomes husband Brian,
wearing comically oversized lopsided breasts, complete with fake protruding nipples
to female members of.
Speaker 2: An online fetish community. Okay. The Daily Mail obtained hundreds
of messages purportedly sent between former Secretary of Homeland Security husband.
Speaker 6: Maybe this is why she had to leave. They knew
that this was coming out. And three women who are
involved in the so called bimbo afication bimbo fication fetish scene.
So that means it's a fetish that you want to
make yourself look like bimbo, like just crazy, huge fake tits.
The kinky community involves people injecting their busts with freakily
large amount of saline in pursuit of Barbie doll like appearances.
The picture shows South Dakota insurance mogul who has three
children with gnome, clad in pink hot pants and skin
tight flesh colored crop top stuff with enormous balloons made
to resemble massive cock eyed breasts. There they are, and
he seems very serious, like the seriousness that his face, like,
what do you.
Speaker 2: Want from me? You got what you wanted? Is this
what you wanted? Come at me, bro, I don't understand
the come at me bro face. Whoops? What my eyes
are up here?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Everything's so messed up.
Speaker 6: His face is clearly visible in several of the photos,
including one which his expression is so mundane it could
be from a driver's license photo. Oh I'm not putting
that one on the air. Oh no, he did a
kissy face. He did a kissy face, and another one.
Damaging information like this can be tantalizing lead for hostile
intelligence services. This is why they didn't allow homosexuals in
the FBI at a time. Now you can't get in
unless you're gay. They approached the person says, if you
work with us, we won't expose this. If you don't,
we will, we will. That's espionage.
Speaker 2: One on one.
Speaker 6: Christy Nome was ousted from her role at DHS on
March fifth, after a pair of disastrous congressional hearings, including
fumbling a question about whether she was having an affair
with a merry top aid.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well there's no way that she didn't know about this,
and they're probably into some stuff and that's just that's that.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, here's another funny thing I gotta give to
you guys. I don't know if this is real. I
don't know if this is real, but the it was
cash Battel now Cashptel. I told you supposedly an Iranian
hacker or something like that had gotten some private photos
of Cash Hotel and put it out there, and I
saw whatever it was tweeted out there. It's just him,
just I don't know, drinking a beer, smoking a cigar
or whatever. Now, the thing that is not substantiated at
all is that Cash battel he had an X videos
as a porn site, an X videos account, and I
don't know, somebody put out a screenshot of the back
end of an account of on X videos that had
that was supposedly his, and the screen name was Spider Cash,
Spider Cash, and I guys, listen, there's nothing out there
that I haven't seen anything that substantiated that, And it's like,
this is real. Maybe it's just nonsense. But if that's real,
that's hilarious. That's hilarious. Because listen, I'm sure you guys,
some of you guys at least know that you don't
need to make an account to get onto these sites. Okay,
don't need to make an account. That is completely optional.
Anybody who makes an account, they pick a screen name
in everything to act as a porn site. In twenty
twenty six, those are some dedicated coomers, dedicated like they're
leaving they're leaving comments they are critiquing the music that's
playing in the room while people are doing the deed, Like,
why are they playing this? It's distracting me, you know, really, Duran,
Duran like that that would be that would feel so
I can't he'd be like curating playlists and stuff like that.
If that is really him, Spider Cash.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Anyway, I don't know if that's true, but I was
just laughing at the thought of it possibly being true
because I don't know how. I don't know how you
can do it, but somebody has got. I don't know
how you can find every comment that Spider Cash is
ever left on that porn site. But I want to
see all the comments that that is going to be
Grade A. That's gonna be incredible. That's gonna be incredible.
Speaker 2: Oh man, oh man.
Speaker 6: But like I said, it's probably who the hell knows, real,
not real. This is the kind of news we're getting
these days. All right, let's see, here's another thing for you.
A friend of mine from Australia sent this in. You
can call in anytime you want. Nine one four two
hundred two sixty nine. Friend of mine from Australia calls
wrote in his name is Greg is Frank. I know
you love the great Australian video about succulent Chinese mule. Well,
it has been immortalized in the National Film and Sound
Archives here and Canberra. It is now an iconic Ausie sound.
Best wishes Greg, and here is the uh, here's the report.
Hold on, let's see nine.
Speaker 2: New National Treasures have been formally recognized. Sounds that are
uniquely Australian.
Speaker 6: The breakthrough songs, jingles and landmark speeches are now enshrined
in the National Film and Sound Archive.
Speaker 2: Importance to cultural zeitgeist.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.
Speaker 4: The iconic arrest of combat Jack Carlson captured by our
very own Chris Reason. We raced down there and of
course would witness something that would become a theatrical spectacular
at the time, something for the agent.
Speaker 2: What is the charge eating on me?
Speaker 3: Off? A succulent Chinese me?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: The remixed phrase went viral and it's now part of
our national archive.
Speaker 4: The police at the time we're telling us that Jack
Carlson was on Queensland's most wanted list. Of the coursees
go on to become one of Australia's most loved shut
up for your face in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 6: So you got to say so good good because I
think he just I think he just died last year, right,
I think he just died last year, So he deserves this.
Now here's something else that has to be thrown into
the mix, Matt ge there's an alien hybrid breeding program
going on. What's this another Benny Johnson. He's talking to
Benny Johnson. Everybody talking to Benny Johnson these days. All right, anyway,
let me see what he says.
Speaker 8: I think the most important information will be the biologics
that are not human that have been discovered, and like
even some of the briefings that aren't classified just need
to be out in the public. I mean I had
someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform,
worked for the United States Army, that was briefing me
on the locations of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens
were breeding with humans to create some hybrid race that
could engage in intergalactic communication.
Speaker 6: Okay, so here's here's what I would give you guys
as an assignment. You go in on the internet. That's
where you live, anyway, go on to the Internet, onto
Google or anywhere and just start looking for as many
coast to coast episodes with doctor David Jacobs as possible. Okay,
he called them hubrids, and those are some really interesting
episodes from Doctor David with Doctor David, David Jacobs and
uh and Art Bell talking about human hybridization with aliens
and all that. I think he also, I think doctor
Jacobs was also a guy who spoke about missing pregnancies.
Pregnancies had just disappeared and were, in his mind, harvested.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep this. I'm gonna but
then I just saw this before we went live today.
That's March thirty, first, two, four pm. Matt Gates. Can
we just get some money? Get some money? What do
I gotta do? What do I gotta do to get
on the radar?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 6: Just a couple, just couple of those interviews, that would
be great. I don't care how crazy they sound. That's
what I want.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, shall we? Anyway? Let me see what
else here? Oh, I missed a couple of calls. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I wasn't paying attention. I was looking at all this
over here. Well, that's what we have for tonight. I
think it was a good one. I think it was
a very very good one. Great to have friends over
here hanging out running on empty just says Jesse on
Fire and said, that's not cash. Jesse on Fire said,
that's not cash. Okay, Well, good the near you have it,
because that would be hilarious, that would just not be run.
I just like, out of everything, out of everything that
you could have done, then fine, because man, man, and
if you go out there and you create a an
actual account for one of those sites, that's a problem.
That's a real problem. It's a problem even when you
don't have it. But still, okay, god U, I appreciate you.
Tomorrow we're going to have Matt from Cultivate Elevate on
in the first half a whole bunch of kookie stuff,
rabbit hole stuff. It's gonna be a good night for that.
And I'm looking forward to having you here on quite frankly,
and you know what, just for the hell of it,
we're going to the flip side and who knows what
we'll do over there, and just for the hell of it,
remember from now until midnight tonight. I asked Molly if
she can just bump this up to midday tomorrow because
I know we have the podcast audiences. This is the
last couple of hours to get in on the Keto
Brains raffle. Go out and get yourself a nice bag
of the Keto Brains neotropic creamer. You're gonna love it
in the coffee. You're gonna love it in any kind
of food creations, whatever the hell it is. Leave the
coffee the hell, however the hell you like it. But
still we're going to do that raffle from her, that
six hundred dollars plus raffle on Thursday. So I asked
her if we can bump this to the maybe halfway
point tomorrow for our podcast audience out there, which is
a vast audience. Love you all so much, Thank you
for everything. Become a sponsor of the show, become a subscriber,
whatever the hell it is, stick around. Thank you all
so much, and we will see you tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: I'll kutch you on the flip side. Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: One and all.
Speaker 6: We are going to the flip side, my friends on
dropping the link in the chat room right now. Follow
us over for a couple of more minutes of truly
uncensored frankly, and I'll be reading the general chat and more.
Speaker 3: Will you
Speaker 7: Shut up Elasasassa