Speaker 1: Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Broadcast.
Speaker 2: If you don't make mistakes, you won't learn.
Speaker 1: With your host Corey Winfield, you know there was a
Speaker 1: reason why that didn't work out, and you can look
Speaker 1: back at it and go, yep, I'm glad that didn't
Speaker 1: work out how I wanted it, because that would have
Speaker 1: been horrible. And co host.
Speaker 3: Tomorrown Winningfield fairly expensive membership to Cold Gym when I
Speaker 3: was in college, but I use that all the time.
Speaker 1: It is August twenty eight, twenty twenty four. My name's
Speaker 1: Corey Winfield, my.
Speaker 2: Name's Marty Winfield.
Speaker 4: I'm Jesse Smoker, and I'm Corey Smoker.
Speaker 1: And this is the two to seventeen Recovery podcast, broadcasting
Speaker 1: live recorded from Jackson, Michigan. And then you might think, well, Corey,
Speaker 1: what are you doing in Jackson, Michigan? What's to see
Speaker 1: there besides the old prison that they only show tours
Speaker 1: on the weekends. It's Wednesday, Like, what could you be
Speaker 1: doing in Jackson? Jesse? What is there to do in Jackson?
Speaker 1: You have family from here.
Speaker 4: So far I've found there's nothing to do in Jackson.
Speaker 1: They do, by the way, though, before we get to
Speaker 1: your guys's guesses, we saw the nastiest best buye we've
Speaker 1: ever seen in our lives. Oh my goodness. Like inside
Speaker 1: not too bad, I mean was the greatest. But man,
Speaker 1: walking into it, I thought, like, did Walking Dead really happen? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we just relate to the show because I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a popcorn, there was gum, cigarette butts.
Speaker 4: Oh it's awful.
Speaker 1: It's like the driveway of like the parking lot they
Speaker 1: were in or whatever you want where people park parking lot.
Speaker 4: You just park where you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think maybe because there were so many
Speaker 1: cracks that are like, well if we get those cigarette
Speaker 1: butts and gum and popcorn and peanut butter, we can
Speaker 1: just feel that right in Jackson, Michigan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a fair just left there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The employees would come up to me because
Speaker 1: they weren't doing anything. They come up to be like
Speaker 1: you you'd smell I'm like, well I kind of did.
Speaker 1: When I walked in. Is any of this on my shoes?
Speaker 1: You know? Like I wanted to like say, can you
Speaker 1: get the man? Can the manager had to walk through
Speaker 1: the front door too, right, you.
Speaker 4: Would I mean yeah, you would you would think so and.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like all day like they had just opened
Speaker 1: like an hour and a half before we got there,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like, oh man, that was just all
Speaker 1: day Saturday traffic.
Speaker 4: I mean, where's the district manager at though?
Speaker 1: At least they quit she quit? Must they quit something?
Speaker 1: It was bad? I don't know. So we did see that,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's not really exciting. How to really
Speaker 1: go see a Rundown prison but only the weekend. So
Speaker 1: what did you see? Marty? What did you guys? Do? You?
Speaker 1: And Corey?
Speaker 3: So we came here with a purpose, Okay, So yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's that's good. So Corey and I were able
Speaker 3: to attend a training put on by m daghs and
Speaker 3: they invited two kind of keynote speakers I guess if
Speaker 3: you want to call that, who did some presentation and
Speaker 3: we did some obviously interactive training with CAA r D,
Speaker 3: which is Center for African American Recovery Development.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the last two days we were we had the
Speaker 3: opportunity of being involved in that and it was put
Speaker 3: on for all the r CEOs to attend in Michigan.
Speaker 1: Recovery Community Organizations seventeen Recovery is one of.
Speaker 3: Them correct, correct, So not only did we have the
Speaker 3: opportunity to really like be in the same room with
Speaker 3: some of the people that work for other recovery community
Speaker 3: organizations in Michigan, which was kind of which was really cool.
Speaker 2: I really liked that about those.
Speaker 3: So we did you do a little bit of networking,
Speaker 3: but also kind of go over whatever topic and materials
Speaker 3: so that they have, you know, that can be presented
Speaker 3: to us for us to be better our CEOs, to
Speaker 3: be able to implement and in our organization with our staff,
Speaker 3: for the people that we serve.
Speaker 1: Right, And we went to one last year and our
Speaker 1: friend Caitlin from the Community Recovery Alliance did a podcast
Speaker 1: with us. It was me, you, justin and her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was that was fun doing the podcast with her,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was it's different. You know, they're built
Speaker 1: as a retreat, so there's like like a ministry camp.
Speaker 1: They want you to go sleep you're in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the platform is like it's like band camp
Speaker 3: and they literally do a whole band camp there in
Speaker 3: church camps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I was like, that's why, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: and Corey can go just sent a different Corey And
Speaker 1: of course we have Parker too, so you know he's
Speaker 1: our son. For those of you this is your first
Speaker 1: time listening. He starts, he's ower three months old, so
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna watch him, you know. So Jesse and I
Speaker 1: were like, hey, we'll do this, you know. Just he's
Speaker 1: like a lead volunteer for seventeen Recovery and you know,
Speaker 1: when I was trying to work out camera stuff which
Speaker 1: we will know talk about, Jesse was there to help,
Speaker 1: you know. So it was really very helpful. But we're
Speaker 1: talking about tech camera. What were that noise? Is that that? Ever?
Speaker 1: The roan in three was making.
Speaker 3: The The kind of the theme of the discussion was, uh,
Speaker 3: empowering inclusive leadership for our CEOs, so basically talking about
Speaker 3: like racial equity and uh the question of kind of
Speaker 3: like who's who's in the room and who's not in
Speaker 3: the room and how can we what are what are
Speaker 3: some of the questions being asked ourselves about representing different
Speaker 3: races right different you know, being able to be available
Speaker 3: to serve individuals who you know might feel more comfortable
Speaker 3: with their own you know, racial person representing them in
Speaker 3: the r c O. And what is that like how prepared?
Speaker 3: What do we have going on, now, what the wiser
Speaker 3: why nots?
Speaker 2: You know that we don't.
Speaker 3: Have people in our staff or or coming to receive
Speaker 3: services walking through our doors, right, so and just having
Speaker 3: those kind of like difficult conversations about the y's and
Speaker 3: why nots, and so it was really it was challenging.
Speaker 3: It was challenging, just like challenging talking. He's trying so hard.
Speaker 1: If I could ask you a question, did they talk about?
Speaker 1: Because when I was talking with a man named Richard Tate,
Speaker 1: Actually I did that podcast on August eighth. I just
Speaker 1: published it like last week, but I only put like
Speaker 1: a half hour up, but we talked for like an hour,
Speaker 1: and there's some stuff that I'm just like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if people need to hear that. But he
Speaker 1: was telling me that out in California there's a new
Speaker 1: term like you're not supposed to say Hispanic or Latin. Know,
Speaker 1: it's like a mix. And I can't remember what he
Speaker 1: told me it was, but I had never heard of
Speaker 1: it before. And I told him the story about my
Speaker 1: friend Scott, who is Native and he's he told me like,
Speaker 1: it's very offensive if you call me Native American, because
Speaker 1: I'm Native like our people were never American, like we
Speaker 1: were here, this is our lane, you know, so it
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, okay, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people think, oh, I'm saying
Speaker 1: Native American, I'm getting it right, and that it depends
Speaker 1: on the person too, you know, but just don't assume
Speaker 1: that people throwing these words around. But he was telling
Speaker 1: me one for about Latinos, which isn't Latino. I don't
Speaker 1: even it was really of an awkward word. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody knows it or anything. But did
Speaker 1: you guys talk about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually we talked exactly about that stuff. In fact,
Speaker 3: one of the individuals, and that was their representing I
Speaker 3: can't remember where they were from, mentioned the fact that
Speaker 3: they were they were married to a black individual and
Speaker 3: that her father in law so were her husband's dad
Speaker 3: did not like to be referred to as African American
Speaker 3: because he wasn't from Africa. He was from Ireland, right.
Speaker 3: He happened to be black right as his race. But
Speaker 3: in my career, I don't even know if I'm saying
Speaker 3: this correctly. I apologize I'm not, but race or ethnicity
Speaker 3: or what have you? Is he was born in Ireland, right,
Speaker 3: and that was his roots, but he is not African.
Speaker 1: American, gotcha. Yeah, that's interesting. I think Corey's on baby
Speaker 1: duty now to swap it over to get her to
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff, or she can talk about it
Speaker 1: in a minute, I guess. But that was what that
Speaker 1: was some of the things that just popped in my head.
Speaker 1: You know, it was like, are we getting that right?
Speaker 1: Because they say, and I'm gonna say Latino Hispanic they
Speaker 1: a word on the street. Is some of the last
Speaker 1: people to reach out for help. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: see many going to treatment. And is that because they
Speaker 1: don't feel welcomed, They don't know, they don't trust the system,
Speaker 1: They have their own thing going on. You know, Like
Speaker 1: there's a huge difference just between the color of someone's
Speaker 1: skin and how they're raised. You know, my friend Tyrone,
Speaker 1: he's from Michigan. He grew up in Detroit, raised totally
Speaker 1: different than me. Kim, our friend Kim, you know, like
Speaker 1: the customs that she has and how she grew up
Speaker 1: is way different than mine, you know, and it's it
Speaker 1: goes deeper than just like oh, different color skin. You know,
Speaker 1: there are white people from Hartford Michigan. They grew up
Speaker 1: different than me. You know, it's where are you from?
Speaker 1: And what are the cultures? You know, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe the culture and again this is me just throwing
Speaker 1: out hypotheticals here or just questions. I guess what are
Speaker 1: the what are they you know? And what's stopping them
Speaker 1: from going to treatment? You know? Do they just take
Speaker 1: care of it in house? They just I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's a huge question. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going are we not informing
Speaker 1: them that there's help for them? Sure? Are they afraid
Speaker 1: that if they went to a treatment center that they
Speaker 1: would be misrepresented? And next thing you know, they're off
Speaker 1: in some other place, you know, they're I don't know's
Speaker 1: It's just a question that'll never be answered today anyway, Corey,
Speaker 1: what was your take on the retreat?
Speaker 5: Well, going into it, I didn't because this is my
Speaker 5: first time as now becoming part of two seventeen and
Speaker 5: representing the RCO, I didn't know what to expect. So
Speaker 5: going into it, I felt a little like but when
Speaker 5: you know, it was a really nice facility that I
Speaker 5: was held at. I think that there could be a
Speaker 5: little more like togetherness and networking between the trainings. If
Speaker 5: that's kind of what I seen. But then when the
Speaker 5: training took place, the two ladies that did that for us,
Speaker 5: Nala and doctor I don't know her name, but and
Speaker 5: I don't want to butcher it, but they were very
Speaker 5: you know, at first, sometimes you go to these trainings
Speaker 5: and you think like, oh, great, you're gonna just get
Speaker 5: all this information, and you know, sometimes I get sidetracked
Speaker 5: and I sit there and I'm like, oh, well, now.
Speaker 2: This is boring.
Speaker 5: But they were very good at keeping everyone engaged and
Speaker 5: giving out some information and then taking feedback. And they
Speaker 5: were also they gave some of their personal stories, which was,
Speaker 5: you know, really cool because that gets you more connected
Speaker 5: with them. I feel like and not feel so separated
Speaker 5: because like at first, you know, you go into these
Speaker 5: things and you think, oh, they're high class, they're a doctor,
Speaker 5: they know more. But then you know, at the end
Speaker 5: of the day when we talked about it, like they
Speaker 5: put their pants on the same way we do, and
Speaker 5: they're just trying to advocate and help us with you know,
Speaker 5: learning how to advocate a little better for diversity in
Speaker 5: the community. And you know, I just from my own situation,
Speaker 5: like it was just more validating for me, like being
Speaker 5: more aware of my language when I'm out in public
Speaker 5: and being even open in my body language, just to
Speaker 5: be approachable and always just to keep learning how to
Speaker 5: reach everybody in the community that we live in.
Speaker 1: And that's key the community that we live in, because
Speaker 1: where I live now is nothing like where I grew up.
Speaker 1: There's different cultures there, different people. I don't fit in
Speaker 1: in Traverse City. I feel like I don't fit in
Speaker 1: in Traverse City. It's weird. I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: from there, you know. I go to my hometown, Coloma,
Speaker 1: I try not to fit in, you know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel one of these people. No,
Speaker 1: I don't really think that, but I don't know. I've
Speaker 1: been gone for so long that I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I don't really have the same values these as the
Speaker 1: people that live there now, you know, and that changes
Speaker 1: over time as well. But I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of people with mistake not understanding someone's culture as racism.
Speaker 1: I take one of my family members, it'd be like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I was friends with this guy, you know, I've worked
Speaker 1: with him, is great, and you know, I like all
Speaker 1: colored people. And he says that to me, and I'm.
Speaker 6: Like, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: Like you say colored people like that? Huh, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know he's colored. And I'm like, huh, but this person's
Speaker 1: also like seventy years old. He's not meaning it in
Speaker 1: any offensive way. But that's where he grew up, and
Speaker 1: that's the time he grew up, you know, Like that's
Speaker 1: that still sticks with him. Doesn't mean he's a bad person.
Speaker 1: He might not understand. I don't know, and maybe some
Speaker 1: people like to be called that. I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: people that grew up in Detroit probably different than people
Speaker 1: that grew up in California. I would bet you money
Speaker 1: on that one, actually, So you don't really know the
Speaker 1: people that were doing the training. They were from California.
Speaker 1: But she grew up what did you say, Like, she.
Speaker 5: Grew up in New York City, Okay. And then the
Speaker 5: other the doctor lady, she grew up in Anne Arbor,
Speaker 5: and then she moved out to Nevada as well, and
Speaker 5: that's where she met Nala and they both had actually
Speaker 5: got sober in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: I knew somebody else that did that too.
Speaker 5: See, I was opposite of that that's where I went
Speaker 5: every year to go and drink for seven to ten
Speaker 5: days straight.
Speaker 1: Cool. Another I had a chance to move to Vegas
Speaker 1: do a radio show, and I said no because I
Speaker 1: will do so much cocaine and drinking I'll kill myself.
Speaker 1: And then I go to Forstmouth, Arkansas, where I almost
Speaker 1: drink myself to death. So it was in the car,
Speaker 1: just got aheaded that I'll set up for me. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: you want to go down this hard ass road, so
Speaker 1: you pick one. Yeah, so I did. The result was
Speaker 1: the same. But my friend Robert Pardon, he actually has
Speaker 1: a podcast called The Recovery Guy, and that's who is
Speaker 1: from Vegas, and he was like, yeah, if I can
Speaker 1: get sober in Vegas, that should bring hope to a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, and for those people too,
Speaker 1: you know, to be there and to share their stories
Speaker 1: and you know, talk about diversity and an inclusion you know,
Speaker 1: I think is awesome. We need to do more of
Speaker 1: that at the office. I think if you listen to
Speaker 1: the podcast called Lots of Laughs, well I you were
Speaker 1: part of that one too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, shamefulabus.
Speaker 1: Oh now you're not including me. I feel left out here.
Speaker 5: Oh I was right there with you, laughing just as
Speaker 5: hard as you and Mitch. So I'm not going to
Speaker 5: deny that I did say that we should just pack
Speaker 5: up the podcast real quick and act like we never
Speaker 5: did this.
Speaker 1: M h. But then my aunt wouldn't have laughed, and
Speaker 1: like everybody like people were like, man, this is the
Speaker 1: funniest pocket is heard a long time. It was.
Speaker 5: Oh, there was a lot of people that commented and yes,
Speaker 5: send out that they got some laughs. So that was
Speaker 5: you know, if that's it, if that's what helped someone
Speaker 5: on Friday to get a good laugh, then I think,
Speaker 5: you know it helped us too, like where we were
Speaker 5: all at at the end of that week, like we
Speaker 5: needed that gut laugh and we got it and then
Speaker 5: it was shared with others and so it was a
Speaker 5: good fun Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought so. And we weren't being racist against
Speaker 1: Justin or anything. But I think he was hurt a
Speaker 1: little bit by it. But I told him, I was like, look, dude,
Speaker 1: you are who you are. And the fact that if
Speaker 1: somebody you made somebody people laugh, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. He made more people laugh on the
Speaker 1: episode than I did, you know, so look at it
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like people know who you are.
Speaker 1: And my aunt loves Justin. He's the he's the her.
Speaker 1: She's like, that's my favorite character. I'm like, it's not
Speaker 1: a character, like that's Justin and it's like he's my
Speaker 1: favorite dude, you know. And she she loves him, you know.
Speaker 1: And he did sometimes and I don't think understands that,
Speaker 1: you know, but it is out of love. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we have fun sometimes, you know, and it goes back
Speaker 1: to my old radio days. But nobody likes me, made
Speaker 1: fun of in like a negative way, and we were
Speaker 1: and the thing I think that hurt the most is
Speaker 1: he wasn't there to defend himself. So we need to
Speaker 1: have lots of last part too, I agree, so we
Speaker 1: can play out again and he can explain himself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he would enjoy that.
Speaker 1: I think. I don't think you would. I think he'll
Speaker 1: turn it down.
Speaker 5: I did want to kind of go back to something
Speaker 5: that he didn't touch on, was like you know, so
Speaker 5: that was kind of of some things that we worked
Speaker 5: through the last two days was the inclusion of everybody.
Speaker 5: So then there was like it was talked about like now,
Speaker 5: of course I can't remember the name, but like so
Speaker 5: one thing that she talked about was like, how you know,
Speaker 5: we we might say like why not color blind? I
Speaker 5: see all colors, and so that she was like, okay,
Speaker 5: But then they turn around and then they make some
Speaker 5: racial remark or how they might appropriate some people into
Speaker 5: different class like from behaviors or colors, or sometimes they
Speaker 5: assume all black people are from African America.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jesse Smoker, how are you doing?
Speaker 4: I'm doing real good.
Speaker 1: Wow, honey, is that the continent or is that a country? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that one before. I don't know anybody
Speaker 1: from African America. But you know what, I'll if the
Speaker 1: two seventeen recovery, I will welcome them the same if
Speaker 1: they're looking for help. And that's the beauty of being
Speaker 1: in recovery, in my opinion. I don't care what color
Speaker 1: you are, I don't care who you want to love.
Speaker 1: You walk through them doors and you're you're hurt, and
Speaker 1: you've got that addiction like I had, and you want
Speaker 1: some help. Sit down, Let's let's let's figure some stuff out.
Speaker 1: Here's what I know, Here's what helped me, Here's what
Speaker 1: didn't help me. Here's some numbers. We can call them together.
Speaker 1: You know, like I can walk you through the steps.
Speaker 1: I had to painfully go through this. I had to
Speaker 1: get called. I had to call the PHP in Southwest
Speaker 1: Michigan SWIMBA and get be littled because I asked for
Speaker 1: help again and they told me, well, we just helped
Speaker 1: you a month ago. What we think we're going to
Speaker 1: pay for you to go to an inpatient treatment again.
Speaker 1: It's just looking for some help. Yeah, yeah, so if
Speaker 1: we send you, there's not gonna help ov. So what
Speaker 1: are we supposed to do? And I'm like, never mind,
Speaker 1: I'll just sit here and just detox and my bad things.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the one thing I like about two
Speaker 4: on seven recovery. It's the open door policy. Yes, it's
Speaker 4: hoping come on in.
Speaker 1: You can leave when you want to, you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm not judging you, like I was there right, It
Speaker 1: was right there man, And like I said, I did
Speaker 1: the hard work for you. I had to take all
Speaker 1: those phone calls. I had to get belittled by the PHP,
Speaker 1: which shouldn't And they if you call them on it,
Speaker 1: they'll be like, well, our people want to Michigan and
Speaker 1: they're a therapists. Well they shouldn't they shouldn't even talk
Speaker 1: about what college they went to because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You can read all the books you want, but until
Speaker 1: you're in our situation, right, you don't know what it's like. Man,
Speaker 1: Oh I know what it's No, you don't. You don't.
Speaker 1: You can't sit there at therapists tell me. And I
Speaker 1: told the story a million times. He was like, I
Speaker 1: relate what you're going through. Oh man, the sense of
Speaker 1: relief I had. Oh my god, finally I get a therapist.
Speaker 1: What's your drug a choice? Oh? I know, don't. I
Speaker 1: don't have a drop on No, I mean I smokes
Speaker 1: a weed back in high school. Yeah. You lost me
Speaker 1: right there, man, And it just it pissed me off,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: So Yeah, And that's why I only somebody who has
Speaker 4: I should say, suffers from addiction and is now sober
Speaker 4: and is in recovery, can only really reach to other
Speaker 4: people who may not be there yet because we had
Speaker 4: only only we only know what they're going through because
Speaker 4: we've been there, hands on.
Speaker 1: Experience with that. It's not a fun one. No, Like
Speaker 1: I'd rather went to college.
Speaker 4: I didn't grow up wanting to be an alcoholic or
Speaker 4: a drug addict. That wasn't my goal. I think I
Speaker 4: want to be a professional baseball player or something, or
Speaker 4: maybe a firefighter. I don't know, but something not not that.
Speaker 5: But I think that's what's good about all of us
Speaker 5: in recovery and now working in the recovery, is that
Speaker 5: we just we want to meet the people wherever they're at,
Speaker 5: and we just want to give them the hope and
Speaker 5: you know, in the validation like that we've we've been
Speaker 5: there with them, and that we're here to walk the
Speaker 5: path with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're not alone. Like when I first started
Speaker 4: hearing that people thought the way I thought, and they could,
Speaker 4: they could voice that. That's when I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: maybe they maybe these people do know what they're talking about,
Speaker 4: because I've never ever heard anybody else ever talk about it.
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't ever talk about.
Speaker 1: It out loud.
Speaker 4: I thought about it like should I tell somebody this,
Speaker 4: they can lock me up? And then you know, somebody
Speaker 4: in a twelve SEP program started talking the way I
Speaker 4: was thinking. I was like, oh, okay, okay, hell yeah
Speaker 4: I can I'll listen to this. But somebody who hasn't
Speaker 4: been through it, you can't relate. You can't relate to
Speaker 4: any of it. It's just how could you How could
Speaker 4: I relate going to college? Never been to college, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I wouldn't know what to tell you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know books that those cost a lot, and I
Speaker 4: know I gotta be to a lot of classes and
Speaker 4: it's overwhelming. But the experienced part of going to college,
Speaker 4: I couldn't describe that for you.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, they can have sympathy, but they can't empathy.
Speaker 1: They weren't in the hole with us, you know, right.
Speaker 1: I think they can be like, oh, yeah, that must talk. Man.
Speaker 1: That would be horrible to tell your family that now
Speaker 1: you're never going to do it again. And then two
Speaker 1: days later you go out and do the same exact thing,
Speaker 1: and then they look at you with this look like
Speaker 1: like you're a dog they want to kick right out
Speaker 1: of the house, you know. And yeah, it's like the shame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I did it. I cause all
Speaker 1: this my family, And then we don't even think about
Speaker 1: it at the time, the actual shame we're causing our family.
Speaker 1: You know. I didn't know this until maybe I was
Speaker 1: like six months sober, and my mom was like, because
Speaker 1: I was talking about how like I would go to
Speaker 1: the store, and I would see people like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see nobody. Mom was like, how
Speaker 1: do you think? I feel like you were on the radio, dude,
Speaker 1: Like people know who you are and they they know
Speaker 1: also you're not there no more. And what happened, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Corey got a little problem and oh okay.
Speaker 1: So then my mom goes to the store and the
Speaker 1: same thing with my sister, and people like, how's Corey doing?
Speaker 1: You know, and some of them love to rub it
Speaker 1: in because it's just like Josh Hamilton, you know who
Speaker 1: Josh Hamilton is hit all them home runs and run derby.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, that was a that was a I
Speaker 1: was crying. I was like, man, this is such a
Speaker 1: great story, such a would feel good story. And then
Speaker 1: then what happens. He goes out drinking one time, gets
Speaker 1: on a bar, takes a shirt off, and then it's
Speaker 1: boo Josh Hambleton. They love a good story, but they
Speaker 1: love even more to tear it down. Oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And like I told you, was p ship yep, you know.
Speaker 1: So like my mom, I think took some of that too,
Speaker 1: like oh okay, oh Cory stuff. Oh he's out there drinking,
Speaker 1: getting message, Okay, but now I think she just watching
Speaker 1: walks around, like pushing that car, Like, who's neggs? Your
Speaker 1: son need some help over there? Yeah, because you might
Speaker 1: want to call my son because he could maybe help
Speaker 1: your son. But maybe he's busy, right, he's talking at something.
Speaker 1: But I don't know speaking of talking at something, Mitchell O'Brien,
Speaker 1: did you see that performance he did?
Speaker 4: If I wasn't holding the microphone right now.
Speaker 1: I would too, but I did.
Speaker 5: He did a great job too.
Speaker 4: I did text him right after I was done watching it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, you killed it. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 4: what you Why are you talking yourself down? You did
Speaker 4: a phenomenal job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a program called The four on the four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a question, four on the four. I don't watch
Speaker 1: a lot of news The four the four. I was
Speaker 1: on it like four or five years ago or three
Speaker 1: years ago, whatever it was. Yeah, but they did a
Speaker 1: story about the International Overdose Awareness State Ceremony that we're hosting,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, or putting together our friend
Speaker 1: Nancy Diwe and Grizzle and Diane Goodyear. They started it
Speaker 1: three years ago, four years ago something like that. They've
Speaker 1: lost family members, and so they were like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: do this on international over toast awareness state. Let's hold
Speaker 1: the ceremony. And they're like candles, play some music and
Speaker 1: it's it's a moving thing and very powerful, and they
Speaker 1: asked us to do it this year, you know, to
Speaker 1: kind of host it for him. We're like, okay, we
Speaker 1: can do that, you know, but one thing for I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want people think we just scooped in
Speaker 1: and just took it over. Like I'm you know, if
Speaker 1: we go on the news, because she can go on
Speaker 1: the news and talk about I'm like, how about you
Speaker 1: go on the news too, say hey, we asked two
Speaker 1: seventeen Recovery to kind of take this over for us
Speaker 1: because it was kind of overwhelming, and two seventeen Recovery
Speaker 1: puts on good events, so we figure naturally they could
Speaker 1: do it. And so her and Mitch went on there
Speaker 1: and I told Mitch, you know, it's live. It starts
Speaker 1: at four, it's called four at four whatever he said
Speaker 1: it was, and he was supposed to be there at
Speaker 1: three forty five. I told him, like, you might want
Speaker 1: to get there a little earlier because you guys go
Speaker 1: on at four, right, And I'm pretty sure. I told
Speaker 1: him it was live, and and then Marnie she talked
Speaker 1: to him before cause I'm like, hey, make sure Mitch
Speaker 1: knows what to stay because there was a time and
Speaker 1: I don't remember when, and Mitch, if you're listening, please
Speaker 1: remind me where He got up and he said something like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well thanks for coming out. Everybody grabb a free puppy
Speaker 1: on your way out, or it was something. I don't
Speaker 1: know what exactly it was, but I was like, Mitch,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? He was like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I got nervous in my frozen. I just said that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's not even cool. We don't have
Speaker 1: any free puppy. It wasn't free puppies, but it was
Speaker 1: something that he said that was like, I didn't make
Speaker 1: any sense, and I'm like, what the what are you doing? Mitch?
Speaker 1: And that's why you say he got nervous and froze.
Speaker 1: So I was like, Marnie, will you please talk to Mitch,
Speaker 1: you know, and make sure he's kind of not gonna
Speaker 1: freeze and just start talking about puppies that were going away,
Speaker 1: and you did. And when he told them what.
Speaker 2: That, I didn't think it was.
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was live, and so I was
Speaker 3: just and I was like, no, I'm like, don't worry,
Speaker 3: just like ease into it. You're just get stay confident.
Speaker 3: A lot of it was just a pep talk, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But you'll be fine, and you know,
Speaker 3: you know your stuff. Don't try to memorize anything. Just
Speaker 3: go with the flow answer. You know, he'll kind of
Speaker 3: lead the way and prompt you, which he did. You
Speaker 3: know it just but he did a phenomenal job, like
Speaker 3: you said, he did very good, so good.
Speaker 5: And maybe Marnie telling him that it wasn't going to
Speaker 5: be live calmed his nerves down a little bit, right,
Speaker 5: And so when he got there and he did it
Speaker 5: and found out it was live, he just carried on
Speaker 5: with it. He didn't have to remember that he had
Speaker 5: to rec hurse anything or keep that thing memorized. He
Speaker 5: just did what Mitch does.
Speaker 4: He texted me, He's like, I found out two minutes
Speaker 4: before we had to go on live. I don't think
Speaker 4: I breathed for the whole time. I almost passed out. Well,
Speaker 4: you did phenomenal, dudes.
Speaker 1: So you can't see him breathing hard because I think
Speaker 1: that's when he got his breathday.
Speaker 4: It's like just I said, you'd be good to yourself
Speaker 4: because I'm proud of you. And I mean that, I really,
Speaker 4: I really am. He represented two one seven Recovery phenomenal
Speaker 4: and yeah it was a great showing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good job, Mitch. If you haven't seen the video,
Speaker 1: it is on our Facebook so check it out there.
Speaker 1: We'll put it on two seventeen recovery dot com too,
Speaker 1: and probably mitches page. And the week before that, seven
Speaker 1: and four News came to to seventeen recovery and the
Speaker 1: very beautiful and very talented Marnie Winfield was a part
Speaker 1: that how'd that go?
Speaker 2: It was great? It was great.
Speaker 3: I mean, uh it was What was aired was actually
Speaker 3: just a you know, brief clips from a really good
Speaker 3: conversation that we had with him overall, so and I
Speaker 3: think he did a great job, you know, highlighting kind
Speaker 3: of the conversation what it was that we were trying to,
Speaker 3: you know, have everybody know that the event was happening,
Speaker 3: the overdose awareness event was happening on you know, this
Speaker 3: coming Saturday, and what it was all about. And then
Speaker 3: Anne had a really moving part in sharing about you know,
Speaker 3: her loss and what it means to her to have
Speaker 3: this ceremony and events like this to make awareness about
Speaker 3: overdose and this you know, how serious you know this
Speaker 3: this epidemic is, and and bringing awareness to not only
Speaker 3: overdose but also that recovery in general is possible. And
Speaker 3: that's kind of where we came in and how grateful
Speaker 3: she was that we were going to be bringing this
Speaker 3: attention to an event event like this and then also
Speaker 3: just promoting recovery overall. So it was really it was
Speaker 3: good too.
Speaker 1: And of course the International Overdose Awareness State Ceremony is
Speaker 1: in Traverse City, the one that we're putting on six pm,
Speaker 1: f and M. Park And we're going to start out,
Speaker 1: you know, Nancy and and Diane are going to maybe
Speaker 1: say a little something, and then we're going to have
Speaker 1: Josh from Journey Church. He's going to do the opening prayer.
Speaker 1: We're going to have a little bit of music. We're
Speaker 1: going to do a candlelighting ceremony. Paula the Pinskey from
Speaker 1: Addiction Treatment Services, she's the CEO. She's going to do
Speaker 1: a little messages that right, and then Adam Knew Andrew.
Speaker 1: There's a couple more people speaking. I think there's.
Speaker 5: Andrew DeVore, David Cantrell, and myself.
Speaker 1: Jesse Area of that. I was not aware. Bring your launching.
Speaker 4: I am so excited and my video camera.
Speaker 3: Yes, here you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you nervous about this?
Speaker 5: No, I'm not nervous.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna rehearse it at all?
Speaker 5: No, just gonna let it come from the heart. It's
Speaker 5: the best message. I might have Corey Winfield do a
Speaker 5: little uh practicing with me in the office on how
Speaker 5: you deliver a short your story condensed to have that message.
Speaker 1: Surprise Morny. That just fought laughing and he said, Corey Winfield,
Speaker 1: short speech that is not that I mean ramble on forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll show you how to do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're good at showing other people how to
Speaker 5: keep it in five minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you went to a whole two day training on
Speaker 3: how did you gey I.
Speaker 5: Mean recovery story? Is you like five minutes?
Speaker 1: Am I good at it though?
Speaker 5: Teaching others? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Those who can't do teach.
Speaker 2: Do what I do. When I say now, does that do?
Speaker 1: That'll be? That'll be my slogan on run for governor
Speaker 1: and for president. Those who can't do teach I'm gonna
Speaker 1: teach everybody and lancing on to figure it out. That's right,
Speaker 1: common sense party doesn't need to happen. That's for another
Speaker 1: podcast though.
Speaker 5: Well, isn't that why you always say whenever someone should
Speaker 5: have listened to you, we should need to wear the shirt.
Speaker 1: Should have listened to Winfield? Yeah, a lot of people
Speaker 1: be wearing those right now.
Speaker 5: I've only occurred to one.
Speaker 1: Tyrone's got about seven, Justin's got about one hundred, Mitch
Speaker 1: is probably about fifteen.
Speaker 5: Marnie she became a Winfield. So that's off the table, all.
Speaker 1: Right, my mom. Anyway, we can list them all that
Speaker 1: I would take all night. The ceremony though, is going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of fun too, you know. That's
Speaker 1: that's another thing that we bring to the table. And
Speaker 1: minchments and that in his interview is we like to
Speaker 1: bring the fun part of everything too, and things don't
Speaker 1: have to be like what was me? And I think
Speaker 1: you're going to be like a message of hope kind
Speaker 1: of like kind of like what we did with the
Speaker 1: recovery stories of hope, but probably I'm sure it'll be different,
Speaker 1: probably way different, but just to touch those people that
Speaker 1: are out there that might that might be struggling or
Speaker 1: those family members out there, and we're going to announce
Speaker 1: something pretty cool that day too, about a new meeting
Speaker 1: I guess, or a new group or whatever that we're
Speaker 1: going to be doing, Yeah, connecting to the the community
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and we're gonna announce that. I
Speaker 1: believe that night. Is that what we had talked about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good, it's fantastic. You'll probably put two and two together.
Speaker 1: It's going to equal four, but yeah, it'll be it'll
Speaker 1: be good.
Speaker 3: Speaking of solving puzzles, m hm, did you guys talk
Speaker 3: about I stepped away for a second, but did you
Speaker 3: all talk about the escape room?
Speaker 5: No, we haven't yet. We were waiting for you.
Speaker 1: MVP. I would vote for Marnie probably. Corey did really
Speaker 1: solid on that last one. Yeah, the box, I mean
Speaker 1: everybody did you two are the real MVPs. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just kept getting in the way, going let me shoe
Speaker 1: if I can find an arrow on there.
Speaker 5: And I don't know you were counting. You were counting
Speaker 5: the bouquet to fifty.
Speaker 1: In my head you did do that in my head?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it took all four of us I think
Speaker 5: all of us together. I mean, let's talk about that
Speaker 5: photo album.
Speaker 4: Though in the mirror, I think I don't think we
Speaker 4: ever would have figured that out if we didn't get
Speaker 4: help on that, because I could, I couldn't see nothing.
Speaker 3: First off, well we came the only thing that we
Speaker 3: were missing was that very last photo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And once we got the clue, where the
Speaker 5: where to look in that picture?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all you us, right, And I said down too,
Speaker 1: because I thought there was a pizza slice of that. That's
Speaker 1: what I like. I was like, I think it's down.
Speaker 1: But then I think we tried down because there was
Speaker 1: a combination like an eddy hut up and all these
Speaker 1: photos that are like these old timey photos. One was
Speaker 1: like they had like a little arrow on it, and
Speaker 1: some of them like if they were wearing a white shirt,
Speaker 1: they would put like a little white arrow and then
Speaker 1: they'd black shirt. They'd use a pin and draw a
Speaker 1: little air. So she had to look for it and left,
Speaker 1: so it'd be up down, left and you turn the
Speaker 1: picture and up down left right. And I swear that
Speaker 1: last one, I was like down, and it seemed like
Speaker 1: we tried it.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if but don't forget. If we
Speaker 5: did add one extra arrow, then you got to hit
Speaker 5: the top twice and then you got to.
Speaker 2: Start all over.
Speaker 5: So then we have to go to the beginning, and
Speaker 5: then we're like, okay, where's the arrow at in this picture?
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 3: My disclaimer here is that if we would be able
Speaker 3: to have like a scrap piece of paper and pencil
Speaker 3: to like just jot down, it would have been process
Speaker 3: of elimination.
Speaker 2: We would have been fine.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it's it's e S i Q or something,
Speaker 1: Escape the Sky, i Q room dot com and Jackson
Speaker 1: if you want, if you're in Jackson, ever thought, man,
Speaker 1: I want to go to escape about it was all right?
Speaker 3: It was yeah, And our host Winter phenomenal.
Speaker 2: He was adorable.
Speaker 1: He was very good.
Speaker 2: Would you say that anywhere?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we were a little too much for.
Speaker 5: Him in one room though, but he he handled us
Speaker 5: perfectly and he was like probably he couldn't wait to
Speaker 5: lock us in that room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, baby Parker, I mean he was a real m
Speaker 4: VP that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: This afternoon too, he came out showing up big.
Speaker 1: I was singing songs to him. That's probably what Winter
Speaker 1: was like. What is going on, and then like I
Speaker 1: had like a demon like theme to it and we
Speaker 1: had to open this like demon door, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I had like a board on there and like
Speaker 1: devil stuff and that was a little creepy, but it
Speaker 1: was all right, and it was it wasn't one of
Speaker 1: those that you can't solve, you know, like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think everybody wants to win at it, so like to
Speaker 1: go to one, you're like, man, I couldn't even get
Speaker 1: the because the one went to California, Martin and I did, man,
Speaker 1: shit like it was freaking It was a nightmare. Most
Speaker 1: you know, we weren't ever gonna got there.
Speaker 3: It was two of us, and it was like we
Speaker 3: picked the hardest difficulty level, the most difficult level, and there.
Speaker 1: Was we couldn't make it to the Dame place on twenty.
Speaker 3: And there was like twenty thirty puzzles within the You
Speaker 3: didn't ever wear one.
Speaker 5: But see me and Jesse are first one we went to.
Speaker 5: It was like with ten people and that was we
Speaker 5: thought it was just too many people trying to like
Speaker 5: be all over the room. When you know they tell
Speaker 5: you in the beginning, like all these things that you
Speaker 5: got to remember, right and The one thing is is
Speaker 5: like it's one puzzle at a time to get to
Speaker 5: the next one. So then when you have ten people
Speaker 5: in there, it's it's almost too much, right because they're
Speaker 5: trying to be over here and solve this and you
Speaker 5: see all these locks and you think that they should
Speaker 5: go in order.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I found a prop and I said on it.
Speaker 4: I watched every else work, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so we should maybe we should try the Terror
Speaker 3: City one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's definitely if you're looking for like
Speaker 1: team building exercise.
Speaker 4: No, it was good. Yeah, the Trevors City one was
Speaker 4: good though, I mean it made you really think.
Speaker 5: But it's definitely it's all about like like he told us,
Speaker 5: it's about the communication, everyone working together because one person's
Speaker 5: got to look at the pictures while the other person's
Speaker 5: holding the lock, and sometimes we needed two or three
Speaker 5: eyes looking at the picture.
Speaker 1: I just thought of something that I wanted to practice
Speaker 1: inclusion on you too. Sent you just took the training
Speaker 1: to tell me this is acceptable or not. We put
Speaker 1: in the guy's Mitchell justin. They're like buddies. They got
Speaker 1: their own podcast called white Knuckling It. What if we
Speaker 1: sent them in together and they had to work together
Speaker 1: out of that room, and we took the timer and
Speaker 1: we just threw it out the window and say, it's
Speaker 1: going to take as long as it takes. You get
Speaker 1: one clue, are.
Speaker 3: We going to be the ones we to watch them
Speaker 3: like in the cameras and be like.
Speaker 1: We can that's incorrect, and we can request the video
Speaker 1: and then we could like put it as like a
Speaker 1: mini series, because you know it's it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: few hours, so we're gonna least get three four episodes
Speaker 1: out of it. Come back next week to see if
Speaker 1: Justin and Mitchell kill each other or get out of
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's a great idea.
Speaker 1: I think it would include them into.
Speaker 3: I'd love to see how how it would got well,
Speaker 3: not maybe exclusively just them, though maybe.
Speaker 1: We broke him in there too.
Speaker 2: Well, you try to see how we all do.
Speaker 5: I think we should all go as a team in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see how it goes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's yeah, I mean you know, yeah, I'll be
Speaker 6: the I won't be the cameraman. Yeah, us recorded all absolutely,
Speaker 6: let's do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should see if tri City will have us.
Speaker 1: I don't know the name of that place though.
Speaker 5: But then I feel like you're excluding yourself from the
Speaker 5: inclusion of the team building.
Speaker 1: I'm creating opportunity for someone else.
Speaker 2: I don't buy it.
Speaker 5: You're you're the leader of the team.
Speaker 2: We need you.
Speaker 1: By me stepping down, it gives someone else a chance
Speaker 1: to step up to be leader of the team, sacrificing
Speaker 1: to record it all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, at our expense your probably we'll manage.
Speaker 1: We'll manage. I mean. And if somebody wants to come along,
Speaker 1: and maybe you're from Africa America, Africa in America, you're
Speaker 1: more than welcome to as well. MARTI didn't have an
Speaker 1: open door policy.
Speaker 5: I butchered the word and then he just rolled right
Speaker 5: over me, and so then all my words just didn't
Speaker 5: make sense.
Speaker 1: Some people don't want to be referred to as they're
Speaker 1: from African America.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 5: And it was talked about like how that we we
Speaker 5: sometimes assume that all are are African American and they're not.
Speaker 4: But like, see, I got a lot of different feelings
Speaker 4: and all that. Like I think it starts with the government,
Speaker 4: like especially when they make you feel all these things
Speaker 4: out you white, Are you an African American? Are you
Speaker 4: native American.
Speaker 1: Are you're the ones who started?
Speaker 4: Are you Asian?
Speaker 1: Are you this?
Speaker 7: It don't matter me and you can choose not to
Speaker 7: answer those And me and Marny talked in the car
Speaker 7: both days on the way back here to the hotel
Speaker 7: to meet you guys in Little Parker about like that
Speaker 7: this's two day training of what four hours a day
Speaker 7: like could turn.
Speaker 5: Into, I mean, a whole week of breaking.
Speaker 4: It down And but do you think you'd get anywhere though?
Speaker 4: I see, and she had that's my thing.
Speaker 3: She brought this up at the end of today and
Speaker 3: it was basically like she said, these are her words.
Speaker 3: She said, I feel like we're just now getting to
Speaker 3: a point where we're actually having these conversations, Like we're
Speaker 3: getting in a comfortable space with.
Speaker 2: Each other right as a group to be able to.
Speaker 3: Talk about these things and have these hard discussions and
Speaker 3: be able to like get real and have like and
Speaker 3: be open about like this is what's hard for us,
Speaker 3: this is where this is, and what about this? And well,
Speaker 3: what do you think about this? And have you ever
Speaker 3: thought about it this way?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Because you kind of.
Speaker 3: Need to be within a room with the same people
Speaker 3: to kind of get to that point to where like
Speaker 3: we can have those times.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Jesse so though too, it's a
Speaker 1: what we do in recovery. We walk away by, you know,
Speaker 1: like we have that bomb with somebody. But you take me,
Speaker 1: put me in a room with a bunch of rich people,
Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable. And there's not saying all rich people hate
Speaker 1: middle class or poor people, but just saying there's some
Speaker 1: out there that do, and they look down on me,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter if I'm white, Black, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You know, there's different levels of classes, there's different levels
Speaker 1: of culture. I mean, it's a whole different It's just
Speaker 1: a big old thing. And you can't make somebody not
Speaker 1: be racist. You can't make somebody not look down on somebody.
Speaker 5: No, but it's just about and so it was like
Speaker 5: coming back into just the conversations within the r CEOs
Speaker 5: of how how can we as a team handle them
Speaker 5: situations when they are walking into our door, like are
Speaker 5: we you know, because sometimes it might be that a
Speaker 5: different race than who we are, right but come into
Speaker 5: our building and say that we don't have nothing to
Speaker 5: offer them because we're not black or we're not Mexicans.
Speaker 5: So we don't understand their culture. So it was then
Speaker 5: how do we, as our CEO like handle that. Do
Speaker 5: we just let them walk back out the door.
Speaker 1: We can put them in a different direction if they're
Speaker 1: not comfortable. But I mean, I'm saying, like we do
Speaker 1: the best that we can to welcome. Then is as
Speaker 1: somebody in recovery, I don't I don't care where you're from.
Speaker 1: Like we have that bond, and Kim and I have
Speaker 1: talked about it many times. And Kim is from Africa
Speaker 1: American or no, no, Kim is from African America, and
Speaker 1: I gotta get a drop of that. So but Kim
Speaker 1: and I have talked about him many times, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like she agrees with me too, Like we
Speaker 1: have a bond that goes beyond racism, it goes beyond culture.
Speaker 1: I love hearing about Kim and her culture in her
Speaker 1: fish and I give her such a hard time about
Speaker 1: it because fish is gross. But like just like how
Speaker 1: she grew up, where she grew up, how she used
Speaker 1: to clean fish, and so that's interesting to me. I
Speaker 1: never had to do that. I never would want to
Speaker 1: do that, but that's what she did and it was
Speaker 1: fun for her, and you know, like getting to know
Speaker 1: somebody on that level is what I can do. But
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think we're ever turning people away
Speaker 1: as somebody ever came through and been like, oh man,
Speaker 1: you guys don't go mudding. You got nothing to offer me.
Speaker 1: They could because I don't go mudding, you know.
Speaker 5: But but I think it's just also too. It's where
Speaker 5: we're located, is that we are located in such a
Speaker 5: non diverse community, m that we don't see a lot
Speaker 5: of things that sag and all our CEOs are facing
Speaker 5: or flint In is facing. And then it was also
Speaker 5: like empower I mean it was also like empowering, like
Speaker 5: the the leaders of different race and you know, then
Speaker 5: it was how some of them come, like even when
Speaker 5: you go at someone with a different race. There was
Speaker 5: an RCO that had a recovery coach and he wasn't
Speaker 5: doing his job and he wasn't helping the white people,
Speaker 5: and so they had to discuss with him about him
Speaker 5: not doing his job, and he instantly called them racists,
Speaker 5: and so a lot of the conversation was around like
Speaker 5: how do you handle that? Were you treating him equally?
Speaker 5: Were you know? But it was at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, it was about him not doing his job.
Speaker 1: And he should be fired, right.
Speaker 5: And and so then you have they have to know
Speaker 5: that it was just about his job. And now he
Speaker 5: wants to go out and he wants to bad mouth
Speaker 5: him to other people that they hit they're racist. Then
Speaker 5: I know you knew about that, that's right, but they
Speaker 5: were they were asking like, is there something different they
Speaker 5: could have done?
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's dude ring around telling people try
Speaker 1: to say, oh, Corey's been drinking this whole time, the
Speaker 1: whole time he started too. Sentient recovery, and I think.
Speaker 3: A lot of it was just b is about about
Speaker 3: having awareness, right and recognizing like implicit bias, which everybody has,
Speaker 3: you know, no matter what. Yeah, and it was about
Speaker 3: kind of Also, the old school color blind thing is
Speaker 3: ridiculous because if you are culturally competent and culturally aware,
Speaker 3: that means it's celebrating and recognizing that, yeah, people are
Speaker 3: African American people are black, people are indigen and you
Speaker 3: know bipoc people right, people of color, Mexican, Arabic, whatever
Speaker 3: it is, Wraith ethnicity. It's recognizing that and saying, okay,
Speaker 3: that is your culture. That is you know your community,
Speaker 3: that is what you know, and.
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 3: I might not be able to know about I might
Speaker 3: not know about it, but I'm willing to learn about it.
Speaker 3: And I support that, and I recognize it and celebrate it. Right,
Speaker 3: And we're here about substance use disorder, and I can
Speaker 3: speak to that on whatever level that I can from
Speaker 3: myself and my own experience, and I'll meet you where
Speaker 3: you're at and help you best I can with what
Speaker 3: I know about you. And if I don't, I'm willing
Speaker 3: to learn about it or hear about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can't personally. I use Kim as an example.
Speaker 1: We'll go back to her. I think it would be
Speaker 1: the service to her if I just started pretending like
Speaker 1: I knew her culture or pretending like, oh yeah, we're
Speaker 1: going to have fish fry Fridays just for Kim, you know, like, oh.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But I think that'd be awesome if if that's important,
Speaker 3: that's important to her and how she celebrates her culture, practices,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever it is that's important to her, right,
Speaker 3: then then we could be a part of that or
Speaker 3: hold that right, hold that space for her and what's important.
Speaker 1: Right, And I made her a shirt we had a
Speaker 1: playoff the Lions from the playoffs last year and they
Speaker 1: were playing San Francisco. We threw a party at the
Speaker 1: two seventeen Recovery Center and I walked by the meeting
Speaker 1: room wherever I was in, and I hear Kim say, what,
Speaker 1: there's no chicken. I only came for the fried chicken.
Speaker 1: And I immediately made her a shirt with pieces of
Speaker 1: fried chicken on it. And some people could look at
Speaker 1: that and go a cord, that's so racist, But I
Speaker 1: wasn't being a racist. She said it, and it was
Speaker 1: just so comical the way she said it that I
Speaker 1: just instantly made her a shirt. But now she wears
Speaker 1: her shirt around town. People would see that and go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what is that? You know, and she
Speaker 1: lasts and she thinks it's pretty damn funny. And she
Speaker 1: showed it to her brother and her family and they
Speaker 1: thought it was hilarious too, because that's just what she said.
Speaker 1: Now she happens to be black, you know, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with it, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just more of she said that. She could have been like,
Speaker 1: I came for the crackers. Well, well that could be racist,
Speaker 1: I guess, but I came for the cheese. Okay, there
Speaker 1: we go. Came for the cheese, and I would have
Speaker 1: made her sure that that I only came for the cheese.
Speaker 5: But that's just it. And that was another thing we
Speaker 5: talked about is that sometimes in a situation or where
Speaker 5: we're at or we're in public, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: we're being so mindful of what we're gonna say because
Speaker 5: we don't want it to be culturally disrespectful or racist
Speaker 5: and affect anybody. And so it's we talked about that
Speaker 5: and how do we how do we remove that and
Speaker 5: how do you know? So sometimes it's just about the language.
Speaker 5: Like my language has to change a little bit because
Speaker 5: sometimes I let things fly out of my mouth that's
Speaker 5: not appropriate. And so I'm practicing my my language a
Speaker 5: little better. And another thing I wanted to say is
Speaker 5: that we were really encouraged two when we come across
Speaker 5: a diverse culture that we're not used to asking questions
Speaker 5: why right? Or tell me more, tell me more?
Speaker 4: But what does that have to do with recovery?
Speaker 5: Why here it has to do with rec I think
Speaker 5: what they're trying to pull into recovery is that that
Speaker 5: people are feeling some sort of way are feeling separated
Speaker 5: and not feeling included?
Speaker 1: Tell me more.
Speaker 4: It's like for me, it's real simple. I work a
Speaker 4: twelve step program that I'm a part of, and that's what.
Speaker 1: I do that works for me.
Speaker 4: And and part of that program is that we we
Speaker 4: find something that we believe in that's you know, not us.
Speaker 4: So it could be God, it could be the Devil
Speaker 4: if you want it to be, could be a cup,
Speaker 4: it could be it could be all these things. You
Speaker 4: could not believe in anything, you could believe in something whatever.
Speaker 4: But the bottom line is is do you want to
Speaker 4: be a drunk Jehovah's Witness or do you want to
Speaker 4: be a sober Jehovah's Witness? Like, don't care.
Speaker 5: I think it was. I think what it kind of
Speaker 5: circles back around to as being an r CEO, as
Speaker 5: being people who were representing a recovery community. So it's
Speaker 5: just opening our eyes to what is happening around us
Speaker 5: and then having them network areas or finding them materials
Speaker 5: for people that feel diversed or feel like it's only
Speaker 5: one way.
Speaker 4: All I see that is going on in today's world
Speaker 4: of sobriety and meetings is the lack of people not
Speaker 4: delivering the message. They're worried about everything else. Or you
Speaker 4: can't come here because you're part of that organization, you
Speaker 4: can't do this because you go to that meaning downtown,
Speaker 4: or that was discussed too, or you can't do this
Speaker 4: because you know you're employed over here. Dude, I've earned
Speaker 4: my seat. And all I'm saying is it's like Jewish
Speaker 4: Muslim hahmn nah whatever, it don't matter to me.
Speaker 5: So that was talked about, like the unity of the
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 4: Recovery, because all we have to relate to really in life,
Speaker 4: all we have is our addiction. Just because I've been
Speaker 4: sober doesn't mean I'm not an alcoholic. I'm going to
Speaker 4: be an alcoholic till the day I die. I never
Speaker 4: am not going to be an alcoholic. I'm never not
Speaker 4: going to be a drug addict either. So all I'm
Speaker 4: saying is, I don't give a shit if you're purple,
Speaker 4: if you're blue, if you're Chinese, it doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like I need to learn the Chinese
Speaker 4: calendar because I want to feel closer to you. I
Speaker 4: have a way of showing you a better way of living,
Speaker 4: and you can believe in everything, you still want to
Speaker 4: believe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: I think some of what was brought up was like
Speaker 3: that our experiences of what we have been through from
Speaker 3: our past, right, and what let's say, some of the
Speaker 3: barriers that stand in our way are different for different
Speaker 3: people in different cultures. I think is one of the
Speaker 3: points that they were trying to make, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And I think that that can be set
Speaker 3: on all of our levels because there are assumptions too,
Speaker 3: Like Corey and I were talking about.
Speaker 2: Is we could go round and round and round and
Speaker 2: round on some.
Speaker 3: Of this stuff, because like people make assumptions about white
Speaker 3: people all the time and what we have or what
Speaker 3: we don't have in our privileges that are presented to us.
Speaker 3: Some of that is untrue. There are mistruths to that
Speaker 3: all the time, right, Like what's in our invisible knapsack?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: What are some of the things that are automatically assumed,
Speaker 3: Like Corey's white male, So when you go into a
Speaker 3: used parking lot, they automatically show you something that's you know,
Speaker 3: sixty five thousand dollars. It's like, you don't know that
Speaker 3: we had afford sixty five thousand dollars car right right, Like,
Speaker 3: why are we automatically look at that.
Speaker 1: Two of them?
Speaker 3: Why do you say, hey, I only I can afford
Speaker 3: something that's fifteen.
Speaker 1: What do you got one hundred and fifteen?
Speaker 2: That's mine. That's what I'm looking at right now.
Speaker 5: And I think, Jesse, I I see where you're at.
Speaker 5: But we're talking more of a bigger picture of not
Speaker 5: just getting sober, because I think also two and we
Speaker 5: also see it in some like even some meetings, like
Speaker 5: how people feel sometimes they're controlled and if you're not
Speaker 5: in that click, then you're not welcomed, right. So that's
Speaker 5: that's where kind of the conversation was going, is about
Speaker 5: how do we remove that barrier so all are welcomed.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's one for you guys. Then we had at
Speaker 1: one point a meeting at two seventeen Recovery that was
Speaker 1: led by a gay person. He was like, he actually
Speaker 1: wanted to call it the gay meeting, and I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I can see my mom looking on the website seeing
Speaker 1: the gay meeting and she would be like, Corey, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? You making fun of people? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's what he wanted to call it mom, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, may we should call some else. We
Speaker 1: called it something else. Then people that normally came to
Speaker 1: that meeting before was the gay meeting stopped coming because
Speaker 1: they felt like it was only for gay people. And
Speaker 1: so like, here we are trying to include somebody, but
Speaker 1: what now we're doing is excluding people. Now they still
Speaker 1: could come, and I think they were told that some
Speaker 1: of them maybe weren't, and they thought, oh, this, this
Speaker 1: meeting is not for me cause I'm like gay, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. So it's just like you can
Speaker 1: go out of your way to kind of, hey, this meeting,
Speaker 1: and then if we had a fish fry Friday, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be there. Nope, So you're excluding me because aunty
Speaker 1: fish things gross. So it's like you can go out
Speaker 1: of your way to do something because you think you're
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, but actually you're you're kind of
Speaker 1: hurting yourself a little bit by pigeonholing just this one community. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're doing this, we're doing this, we're doing this, we're
Speaker 1: doing this, and so I don't know, but we welcome everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I don't know what it's like to
Speaker 1: be a gay man. I talked to a guy about
Speaker 1: it and he's like, man, it's so hard to find
Speaker 1: love out there. And I'll tell you what, You're not
Speaker 1: going to find it if if you're doing math, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you. I'll tell you that. So we'll start there,
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not going to pretend I know
Speaker 1: what's up on grinder or how to get a man.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1: But I do know the fact that if he's getting
Speaker 1: messed up, he's not going to find love. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can guarantee him, you will find love if you
Speaker 1: stop doing that, right, it's going to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Great, So it's just I think at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, it was just about advocating our CEOs about
Speaker 5: that there is this these barriers up in educating us
Speaker 5: on how to remove them barriers or how to have
Speaker 5: the right language and conversations to get the people to
Speaker 5: the right sources.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you guys had a good time and
Speaker 1: it seems like you guys learned a lot and sure
Speaker 1: it'll help the office out. Yeah, I'll bet all right.
Speaker 1: Well we're gonna wrap it up, Parker, he say he's
Speaker 1: needing to talk to us about something. He's in there screaming,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna wrap it up. But thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: And it was a fun little podcast tonight. We got
Speaker 1: some serious stuff. We got to joke around a little bit,
Speaker 1: got to include some people, to exclude some people who
Speaker 1: all limit the animal. But now thanks for listening, and
Speaker 1: we will talk to you again at the time of
Speaker 1: my choosing.
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, have a good night, have a good one.
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