WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:06.280 Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Broadcast. 2 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.720 If you don't make mistakes, you won't learn. 3 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:12.599 With your host Corey Winfield, you know there was a 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:15.000 reason why that didn't work out, and you can look 5 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:17.000 back at it and go, yep, I'm glad that didn't 6 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:18.559 work out how I wanted it, because that would have 7 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:20.760 been horrible. And co host. 8 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:24.800 Tomorrown Winningfield fairly expensive membership to Cold Gym when I 9 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:27.120 was in college, but I use that all the time. 10 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.479 It is August twenty eight, twenty twenty four. My name's 11 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:37.560 Corey Winfield, my. 12 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:38.520 Name's Marty Winfield. 13 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.320 I'm Jesse Smoker, and I'm Corey Smoker. 14 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:46.520 And this is the two to seventeen Recovery podcast, broadcasting 15 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:51.600 live recorded from Jackson, Michigan. And then you might think, well, Corey, 16 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.479 what are you doing in Jackson, Michigan? What's to see 17 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:57.920 there besides the old prison that they only show tours 18 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:02.759 on the weekends. It's Wednesday, Like, what could you be 19 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:07.359 doing in Jackson? Jesse? What is there to do in Jackson? 20 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:08.680 You have family from here. 21 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:13.760 So far I've found there's nothing to do in Jackson. 22 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:16.640 They do, by the way, though, before we get to 23 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.760 your guys's guesses, we saw the nastiest best buye we've 24 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:23.519 ever seen in our lives. Oh my goodness. Like inside 25 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:26.480 not too bad, I mean was the greatest. But man, 26 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:32.640 walking into it, I thought, like, did Walking Dead really happen? Yeah, 27 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:34.879 And we just relate to the show because I mean, 28 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:39.000 there was a popcorn, there was gum, cigarette butts. 29 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:40.079 Oh it's awful. 30 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.640 It's like the driveway of like the parking lot they 31 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.000 were in or whatever you want where people park parking lot. 32 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:47.159 You just park where you want. 33 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.040 Yeah, And I think maybe because there were so many 34 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:50.959 cracks that are like, well if we get those cigarette 35 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.959 butts and gum and popcorn and peanut butter, we can 36 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:57.560 just feel that right in Jackson, Michigan. 37 00:01:57.680 --> 00:01:59.079 Yeah, like a fair just left there. 38 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.480 Yeah. Yeah. The employees would come up to me because 39 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.159 they weren't doing anything. They come up to be like 40 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:05.560 you you'd smell I'm like, well I kind of did. 41 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.719 When I walked in. Is any of this on my shoes? 42 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:10.840 You know? Like I wanted to like say, can you 43 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:12.840 get the man? Can the manager had to walk through 44 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:14.080 the front door too, right, you. 45 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.520 Would I mean yeah, you would you would think so and. 46 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:19.400 It wasn't like all day like they had just opened 47 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.039 like an hour and a half before we got there, 48 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:22.520 So it wasn't like, oh man, that was just all 49 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:23.639 day Saturday traffic. 50 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:25.560 I mean, where's the district manager at though? 51 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:30.560 At least they quit she quit? Must they quit something? 52 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.000 It was bad? I don't know. So we did see that, 53 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:35.879 but you know, it's not really exciting. How to really 54 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:40.039 go see a Rundown prison but only the weekend. So 55 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.520 what did you see? Marty? What did you guys? Do? You? 56 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:43.080 And Corey? 57 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.800 So we came here with a purpose, Okay, So yeah, 58 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.240 so that's that's good. So Corey and I were able 59 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:55.800 to attend a training put on by m daghs and 60 00:02:56.199 --> 00:03:00.400 they invited two kind of keynote speakers I guess if 61 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:02.560 you want to call that, who did some presentation and 62 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:08.240 we did some obviously interactive training with CAA r D, 63 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.919 which is Center for African American Recovery Development. 64 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:13.280 Yeah. 65 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:14.840 So the last two days we were we had the 66 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:18.240 opportunity of being involved in that and it was put 67 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:21.599 on for all the r CEOs to attend in Michigan. 68 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.400 Recovery Community Organizations seventeen Recovery is one of. 69 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:27.840 Them correct, correct, So not only did we have the 70 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.360 opportunity to really like be in the same room with 71 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.800 some of the people that work for other recovery community 72 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.280 organizations in Michigan, which was kind of which was really cool. 73 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:39.759 I really liked that about those. 74 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.000 So we did you do a little bit of networking, 75 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:47.439 but also kind of go over whatever topic and materials 76 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.360 so that they have, you know, that can be presented 77 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.400 to us for us to be better our CEOs, to 78 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.280 be able to implement and in our organization with our staff, 79 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.400 for the people that we serve. 80 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.439 Right, And we went to one last year and our 81 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.520 friend Caitlin from the Community Recovery Alliance did a podcast 82 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.319 with us. It was me, you, justin and her. Yeah, 83 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:12.680 and that was that was fun doing the podcast with her, 84 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:16.000 But yeah, it was it's different. You know, they're built 85 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:21.120 as a retreat, so there's like like a ministry camp. 86 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:23.279 They want you to go sleep you're in. 87 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:28.600 Yeah, so the platform is like it's like band camp 88 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.879 and they literally do a whole band camp there in 89 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:31.639 church camps. 90 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.240 Yeah, that's why I was like, that's why, Yeah, you 91 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:40.079 and Corey can go just sent a different Corey And 92 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:43.480 of course we have Parker too, so you know he's 93 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:45.319 our son. For those of you this is your first 94 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.319 time listening. He starts, he's ower three months old, so 95 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.199 somebody's gonna watch him, you know. So Jesse and I 96 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.040 were like, hey, we'll do this, you know. Just he's 97 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.079 like a lead volunteer for seventeen Recovery and you know, 98 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.560 when I was trying to work out camera stuff which 99 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:04.800 we will know talk about, Jesse was there to help, 100 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.560 you know. So it was really very helpful. But we're 101 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.399 talking about tech camera. What were that noise? Is that that? Ever? 102 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:12.319 The roan in three was making. 103 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:22.639 The The kind of the theme of the discussion was, uh, 104 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:28.920 empowering inclusive leadership for our CEOs, so basically talking about 105 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.680 like racial equity and uh the question of kind of 106 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.000 like who's who's in the room and who's not in 107 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:40.319 the room and how can we what are what are 108 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:45.839 some of the questions being asked ourselves about representing different 109 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.879 races right different you know, being able to be available 110 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:53.319 to serve individuals who you know might feel more comfortable 111 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:58.160 with their own you know, racial person representing them in 112 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.800 the r c O. And what is that like how prepared? 113 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.560 What do we have going on, now, what the wiser 114 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:04.199 why nots? 115 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.079 You know that we don't. 116 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:11.000 Have people in our staff or or coming to receive 117 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:15.920 services walking through our doors, right, so and just having 118 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.480 those kind of like difficult conversations about the y's and 119 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:24.079 why nots, and so it was really it was challenging. 120 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:33.519 It was challenging, just like challenging talking. He's trying so hard. 121 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.360 If I could ask you a question, did they talk about? 122 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:41.079 Because when I was talking with a man named Richard Tate, 123 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.920 Actually I did that podcast on August eighth. I just 124 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.959 published it like last week, but I only put like 125 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:49.399 a half hour up, but we talked for like an hour, 126 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:50.600 and there's some stuff that I'm just like, yeah, I 127 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.600 don't know if people need to hear that. But he 128 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.120 was telling me that out in California there's a new 129 00:06:55.319 --> 00:07:00.160 term like you're not supposed to say Hispanic or Latin. Know, 130 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:02.920 it's like a mix. And I can't remember what he 131 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:04.439 told me it was, but I had never heard of 132 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.439 it before. And I told him the story about my 133 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:14.199 friend Scott, who is Native and he's he told me like, 134 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.519 it's very offensive if you call me Native American, because 135 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.439 I'm Native like our people were never American, like we 136 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:22.439 were here, this is our lane, you know, so it 137 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.480 kind of like, oh, okay, that makes a lot of sense. 138 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:26.000 You know a lot of people think, oh, I'm saying 139 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:29.439 Native American, I'm getting it right, and that it depends 140 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:31.879 on the person too, you know, but just don't assume 141 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:33.680 that people throwing these words around. But he was telling 142 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:39.199 me one for about Latinos, which isn't Latino. I don't 143 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.800 even it was really of an awkward word. But I 144 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.160 don't know if anybody knows it or anything. But did 145 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:46.560 you guys talk about that kind of stuff. 146 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.720 Yeah, actually we talked exactly about that stuff. In fact, 147 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:54.519 one of the individuals, and that was their representing I 148 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:58.000 can't remember where they were from, mentioned the fact that 149 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:02.920 they were they were married to a black individual and 150 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.920 that her father in law so were her husband's dad 151 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.959 did not like to be referred to as African American 152 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:14.920 because he wasn't from Africa. He was from Ireland, right. 153 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:21.720 He happened to be black right as his race. But 154 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:24.920 in my career, I don't even know if I'm saying 155 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.199 this correctly. I apologize I'm not, but race or ethnicity 156 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.199 or what have you? Is he was born in Ireland, right, 157 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.000 and that was his roots, but he is not African. 158 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:40.960 American, gotcha. Yeah, that's interesting. I think Corey's on baby 159 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:44.399 duty now to swap it over to get her to 160 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:46.080 talk about this stuff, or she can talk about it 161 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:49.799 in a minute, I guess. But that was what that 162 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:51.759 was some of the things that just popped in my head. 163 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:53.759 You know, it was like, are we getting that right? 164 00:08:53.759 --> 00:09:00.279 Because they say, and I'm gonna say Latino Hispanic they 165 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.879 a word on the street. Is some of the last 166 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.799 people to reach out for help. You know, you don't 167 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:10.840 see many going to treatment. And is that because they 168 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:13.399 don't feel welcomed, They don't know, they don't trust the system, 169 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.440 They have their own thing going on. You know, Like 170 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.960 there's a huge difference just between the color of someone's 171 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:23.559 skin and how they're raised. You know, my friend Tyrone, 172 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:27.360 he's from Michigan. He grew up in Detroit, raised totally 173 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.879 different than me. Kim, our friend Kim, you know, like 174 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.120 the customs that she has and how she grew up 175 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:35.159 is way different than mine, you know, and it's it 176 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.759 goes deeper than just like oh, different color skin. You know, 177 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:41.879 there are white people from Hartford Michigan. They grew up 178 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.000 different than me. You know, it's where are you from? 179 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.120 And what are the cultures? You know, and stuff like that. 180 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:50.200 Maybe the culture and again this is me just throwing 181 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.600 out hypotheticals here or just questions. I guess what are 182 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.960 the what are they you know? And what's stopping them 183 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.320 from going to treatment? You know? Do they just take 184 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.399 care of it in house? They just I don't know, 185 00:10:02.919 --> 00:10:04.480 you know, And that's that's a huge question. I think 186 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:08.519 a lot of people are going are we not informing 187 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:12.519 them that there's help for them? Sure? Are they afraid 188 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:14.840 that if they went to a treatment center that they 189 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.720 would be misrepresented? And next thing you know, they're off 190 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:21.279 in some other place, you know, they're I don't know's 191 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:27.840 It's just a question that'll never be answered today anyway, Corey, 192 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.039 what was your take on the retreat? 193 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:35.440 Well, going into it, I didn't because this is my 194 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.360 first time as now becoming part of two seventeen and 195 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:47.200 representing the RCO, I didn't know what to expect. So 196 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:52.519 going into it, I felt a little like but when 197 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.720 you know, it was a really nice facility that I 198 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.360 was held at. I think that there could be a 199 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:08.600 little more like togetherness and networking between the trainings. If 200 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:12.320 that's kind of what I seen. But then when the 201 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:18.120 training took place, the two ladies that did that for us, 202 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.600 Nala and doctor I don't know her name, but and 203 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.879 I don't want to butcher it, but they were very 204 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.039 you know, at first, sometimes you go to these trainings 205 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.879 and you think like, oh, great, you're gonna just get 206 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.080 all this information, and you know, sometimes I get sidetracked 207 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:38.799 and I sit there and I'm like, oh, well, now. 208 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:39.320 This is boring. 209 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.960 But they were very good at keeping everyone engaged and 210 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:49.159 giving out some information and then taking feedback. And they 211 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.960 were also they gave some of their personal stories, which was, 212 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.480 you know, really cool because that gets you more connected 213 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:59.720 with them. I feel like and not feel so separated 214 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.080 because like at first, you know, you go into these 215 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.600 things and you think, oh, they're high class, they're a doctor, 216 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.720 they know more. But then you know, at the end 217 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:11.159 of the day when we talked about it, like they 218 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.279 put their pants on the same way we do, and 219 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:19.799 they're just trying to advocate and help us with you know, 220 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.080 learning how to advocate a little better for diversity in 221 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:31.519 the community. And you know, I just from my own situation, 222 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:34.200 like it was just more validating for me, like being 223 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:36.600 more aware of my language when I'm out in public 224 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:41.519 and being even open in my body language, just to 225 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:48.120 be approachable and always just to keep learning how to 226 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.519 reach everybody in the community that we live in. 227 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:56.879 And that's key the community that we live in, because 228 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.879 where I live now is nothing like where I grew up. 229 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.679 There's different cultures there, different people. I don't fit in 230 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:05.480 in Traverse City. I feel like I don't fit in 231 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:08.559 in Traverse City. It's weird. I don't know. I'm not 232 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.159 from there, you know. I go to my hometown, Coloma, 233 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:14.559 I try not to fit in, you know. I'm like, 234 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:16.200 I don't want to feel one of these people. No, 235 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.519 I don't really think that, but I don't know. I've 236 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.399 been gone for so long that I'm like, Okay, well, 237 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.679 I don't really have the same values these as the 238 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.360 people that live there now, you know, and that changes 239 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.440 over time as well. But I think that a lot 240 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:36.039 of people with mistake not understanding someone's culture as racism. 241 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:40.360 I take one of my family members, it'd be like, oh, man, 242 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.320 I was friends with this guy, you know, I've worked 243 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.000 with him, is great, and you know, I like all 244 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.360 colored people. And he says that to me, and I'm. 245 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:53.039 Like, whoa, whoa. 246 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:55.240 Like you say colored people like that? Huh, Yeah, you 247 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:58.440 know he's colored. And I'm like, huh, but this person's 248 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:02.879 also like seventy years old. He's not meaning it in 249 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.759 any offensive way. But that's where he grew up, and 250 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:08.279 that's the time he grew up, you know, Like that's 251 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:12.039 that still sticks with him. Doesn't mean he's a bad person. 252 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:15.600 He might not understand. I don't know, and maybe some 253 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.080 people like to be called that. I don't know. You know, 254 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.720 people that grew up in Detroit probably different than people 255 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.200 that grew up in California. I would bet you money 256 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.360 on that one, actually, So you don't really know the 257 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:30.519 people that were doing the training. They were from California. 258 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.639 But she grew up what did you say, Like, she. 259 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.080 Grew up in New York City, Okay. And then the 260 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.759 other the doctor lady, she grew up in Anne Arbor, 261 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:44.639 and then she moved out to Nevada as well, and 262 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:48.759 that's where she met Nala and they both had actually 263 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:52.240 got sober in Las Vegas. 264 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:54.840 I knew somebody else that did that too. 265 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.600 See, I was opposite of that that's where I went 266 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:03.919 every year to go and drink for seven to ten 267 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:04.559 days straight. 268 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.600 Cool. Another I had a chance to move to Vegas 269 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.080 do a radio show, and I said no because I 270 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:12.799 will do so much cocaine and drinking I'll kill myself. 271 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:14.480 And then I go to Forstmouth, Arkansas, where I almost 272 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:16.720 drink myself to death. So it was in the car, 273 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.840 just got aheaded that I'll set up for me. He's like, well, 274 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:20.840 you want to go down this hard ass road, so 275 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.879 you pick one. Yeah, so I did. The result was 276 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.919 the same. But my friend Robert Pardon, he actually has 277 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:33.039 a podcast called The Recovery Guy, and that's who is 278 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:34.519 from Vegas, and he was like, yeah, if I can 279 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:37.799 get sober in Vegas, that should bring hope to a 280 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:40.720 lot of people, you know, and for those people too, 281 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:42.600 you know, to be there and to share their stories 282 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.639 and you know, talk about diversity and an inclusion you know, 283 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.240 I think is awesome. We need to do more of 284 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:51.759 that at the office. I think if you listen to 285 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.960 the podcast called Lots of Laughs, well I you were 286 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:56.840 part of that one too. 287 00:15:57.519 --> 00:15:58.600 Yeah, shamefulabus. 288 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:04.039 Oh now you're not including me. I feel left out here. 289 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.759 Oh I was right there with you, laughing just as 290 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.840 hard as you and Mitch. So I'm not going to 291 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.240 deny that I did say that we should just pack 292 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:13.360 up the podcast real quick and act like we never 293 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:13.639 did this. 294 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:18.200 M h. But then my aunt wouldn't have laughed, and 295 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:19.720 like everybody like people were like, man, this is the 296 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.320 funniest pocket is heard a long time. It was. 297 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.679 Oh, there was a lot of people that commented and yes, 298 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.759 send out that they got some laughs. So that was 299 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:30.799 you know, if that's it, if that's what helped someone 300 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.240 on Friday to get a good laugh, then I think, 301 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.000 you know it helped us too, like where we were 302 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.159 all at at the end of that week, like we 303 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.480 needed that gut laugh and we got it and then 304 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.480 it was shared with others and so it was a 305 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:44.440 good fun Friday. 306 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:50.080 Yeah, I thought so. And we weren't being racist against 307 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.720 Justin or anything. But I think he was hurt a 308 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.879 little bit by it. But I told him, I was like, look, dude, 309 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:59.000 you are who you are. And the fact that if 310 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:04.039 somebody you made somebody people laugh, you know, like that's 311 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.880 that's pretty cool. He made more people laugh on the 312 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.880 episode than I did, you know, so look at it 313 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:11.279 like that, you know, like people know who you are. 314 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.079 And my aunt loves Justin. He's the he's the her. 315 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:15.839 She's like, that's my favorite character. I'm like, it's not 316 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.519 a character, like that's Justin and it's like he's my 317 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.519 favorite dude, you know. And she she loves him, you know. 318 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.559 And he did sometimes and I don't think understands that, 319 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.799 you know, but it is out of love. And yeah, 320 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:30.599 we have fun sometimes, you know, and it goes back 321 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:34.000 to my old radio days. But nobody likes me, made 322 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.599 fun of in like a negative way, and we were 323 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.400 and the thing I think that hurt the most is 324 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:41.200 he wasn't there to defend himself. So we need to 325 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.640 have lots of last part too, I agree, so we 326 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:47.759 can play out again and he can explain himself. 327 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.039 Yeah, he would enjoy that. 328 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:52.720 I think. I don't think you would. I think he'll 329 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:53.240 turn it down. 330 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:55.359 I did want to kind of go back to something 331 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.240 that he didn't touch on, was like you know, so 332 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:01.359 that was kind of of some things that we worked 333 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:05.359 through the last two days was the inclusion of everybody. 334 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:10.559 So then there was like it was talked about like now, 335 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.599 of course I can't remember the name, but like so 336 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:17.319 one thing that she talked about was like, how you know, 337 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:23.200 we we might say like why not color blind? I 338 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:27.200 see all colors, and so that she was like, okay, 339 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:30.000 But then they turn around and then they make some 340 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:37.319 racial remark or how they might appropriate some people into 341 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:42.880 different class like from behaviors or colors, or sometimes they 342 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.559 assume all black people are from African America. 343 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.319 Okay, Jesse Smoker, how are you doing? 344 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:53.599 I'm doing real good. 345 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:01.480 Wow, honey, is that the continent or is that a country? Yeah? 346 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:05.200 I haven't heard that one before. I don't know anybody 347 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:11.759 from African America. But you know what, I'll if the 348 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.440 two seventeen recovery, I will welcome them the same if 349 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:17.559 they're looking for help. And that's the beauty of being 350 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.519 in recovery, in my opinion. I don't care what color 351 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:22.319 you are, I don't care who you want to love. 352 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:25.920 You walk through them doors and you're you're hurt, and 353 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:27.519 you've got that addiction like I had, and you want 354 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.359 some help. Sit down, Let's let's let's figure some stuff out. 355 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:33.200 Here's what I know, Here's what helped me, Here's what 356 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.000 didn't help me. Here's some numbers. We can call them together. 357 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:38.319 You know, like I can walk you through the steps. 358 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.160 I had to painfully go through this. I had to 359 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.960 get called. I had to call the PHP in Southwest 360 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:47.039 Michigan SWIMBA and get be littled because I asked for 361 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.759 help again and they told me, well, we just helped 362 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.640 you a month ago. What we think we're going to 363 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:54.720 pay for you to go to an inpatient treatment again. 364 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:58.720 It's just looking for some help. Yeah, yeah, so if 365 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:00.960 we send you, there's not gonna help ov. So what 366 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.160 are we supposed to do? And I'm like, never mind, 367 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.519 I'll just sit here and just detox and my bad things. 368 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:09.440 I mean, that's the one thing I like about two 369 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:14.079 on seven recovery. It's the open door policy. Yes, it's 370 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:15.839 hoping come on in. 371 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.000 You can leave when you want to, you know, like 372 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.960 I'm not judging you, like I was there right, It 373 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:22.039 was right there man, And like I said, I did 374 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:23.799 the hard work for you. I had to take all 375 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:27.119 those phone calls. I had to get belittled by the PHP, 376 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.319 which shouldn't And they if you call them on it, 377 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.279 they'll be like, well, our people want to Michigan and 378 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:34.240 they're a therapists. Well they shouldn't they shouldn't even talk 379 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.880 about what college they went to because it doesn't matter. 380 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.160 You can read all the books you want, but until 381 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:42.279 you're in our situation, right, you don't know what it's like. Man, 382 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:44.640 Oh I know what it's No, you don't. You don't. 383 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:46.599 You can't sit there at therapists tell me. And I 384 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:48.559 told the story a million times. He was like, I 385 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.759 relate what you're going through. Oh man, the sense of 386 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:56.440 relief I had. Oh my god, finally I get a therapist. 387 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.240 What's your drug a choice? Oh? I know, don't. I 388 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:00.839 don't have a drop on No, I mean I smokes 389 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:05.000 a weed back in high school. Yeah. You lost me 390 00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:07.440 right there, man, And it just it pissed me off, 391 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:08.240 you know. 392 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:13.720 So Yeah, And that's why I only somebody who has 393 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:20.279 I should say, suffers from addiction and is now sober 394 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:25.680 and is in recovery, can only really reach to other 395 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:30.599 people who may not be there yet because we had 396 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.720 only only we only know what they're going through because 397 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.359 we've been there, hands on. 398 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:42.279 Experience with that. It's not a fun one. No, Like 399 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:44.680 I'd rather went to college. 400 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.759 I didn't grow up wanting to be an alcoholic or 401 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:51.279