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Speaker 1: Well well off of a weekend that has seen Mikayla

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Mayer become a women's world champion again. In fact, it

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has seeing three different women's world title fights in three

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different locations that we're going to recap. Xander Zias, Bruce

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Shueshue Carrington also victorious. We're going to recap all of

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You get all the intel. Hello Dan Rayfiel. And you

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know I was spending my Sunday afternoon out in the

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blistering heat and humidity of Tampa Bay. Now it ended

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up being profitable, the Bucks end up getting a win.

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I'm in a good mood. I think I literally lost

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about four pounds of water weight and I didn't play

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in the game, so it has been a bit of

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an afternoon. But you know what I'm posting, I'm here.

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I'm gonna tee them up for you and let me

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let you knock them out of the park. How are

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things as we come off of the weekend here with

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a lot of women's world title fights to recap and

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I'm looking forward to this conversation with Frank Warren? How

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Speaker 2: Close out the regular season.

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I am dehydrated, i am delirious. I'm seeing images of

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All right, buffet of women's world title fights, why don't

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we go chronological deal chronological Friday Night ESPN top rank

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in New York. Michayla Mayer does win by decision majority

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decision over Sandy Ryan. She captures the WBO welterweight women's title.

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It was a very competitive fight, as we thought it

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would be. We talked about this thing getting saucy in

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advance over the whole thing about did Sandy Ryan snatch

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away MICHAELA. Mayer's trainer, etc. And then it got even saucier.

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Before the fight, we had some interesting drama. Although I

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have a thought or two on this, but I want

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you to take it away with the drama and then

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the actual fight. Give me some inside and analysis, please.

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Speaker 2: Well, the drama that you're alluding to is what I

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think is. It's a totally unfortunate and ridiculous situation that

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that Sandy Ryan, as she's leaving her hotel to go

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to the arena for the fight, was accosted by an

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unknown assailant in a hoodie on the sidewalk apparently, who

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threw an open can of red paint at her and

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covered her in paint, hit her in the stomach. As

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she explained, it could have been much worse. Okay, she

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got covered with paint. That sucks, and you know, in

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the end, there was no damage done in terms of

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injuries like that, so that's good. But the fact that

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she would have to deal with that, you know, was

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very unfortunate, and she blamed mikaelam Mayer's team. I'm not

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saying that Mikhaela Mayer was involved. She says she wasn't,

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and I believe her, But I don't know if I

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believe that nobody that was affiliated with her or that

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was one of her supporters was not involved, because it

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seemed like too big of a quinnan's that you would

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just randomly be throwing red paint at a young woman

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leaving a hotel room kind of out of nowhere like

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that and then get away card, run away.

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so many different conspiratorial of this. The conspiratorial of that

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is that the conspiracy theorist in me that is sitting

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back going this is like right out of Vince McMahon's handbook. WWE,

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how do we spice this thing up? We have an

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artificial controversy of somebody coming and throwing paint supposedly on

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on Sandy Ryan here from Mikayla Mayor's team, so more

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people will be interested. I just really perked up. The

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Internet perked up. Is it just me being crotchety and

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conspiratorial to think at a first blush reaction that this

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may have been contrived by both sides. Just what do

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can get to get off my lawn and yell at

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a cloud, no problem with the best of them. But

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I don't believe that because they didn't even nobody knew

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about this until the broadcast is already underway. You know what,

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the team, or you knew it from when it happened.

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were already involved in the main car, so there was

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not going to be any benefit of extra ticket sales

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or extra eyeballs or anything like that. So I don't

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I don't believe that this is as conspiracy. You wouldn't

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do that. I mean, you know, the ww is great

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at what they do and uh, and it's been around

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for decades. But in the end, boxing is still real

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and I don't buy that this was a conspiracy whatsoever.

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This was somebody loose cannon, if you will, on the

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mchalem Mayor team in my opinion, or maybe it was

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maybe it was flu key, but somebody threw paint at

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Sandy Ryan. And obviously, whether it was done by somebody

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involved with the event or it was just trickly a

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coincidence and an unfortunate situation, is certainly and clearly unnerved

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Sandy Ryan. You could tell when she was being interviewed

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by Mark Kriegle in her dressing room when she got

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to the arena. In the end, let's not make this out.

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Nobody like to put a gun on her. No one

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tried to stab her. I try to pack her. You know,

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in the end, it was paint. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: A weird crazy thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know if somebody build on her team were

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saying you shouldn't fight, and you know, I respect Sandy

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Ryan is like, no, fuck that. I came a long

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way to New York City to defend my title and

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get paid, and I got an arena full of people

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there ready to watch me defend my title. So you know,

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I definitely respect her for that, and I respect what

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about the incident. She's like, look, wait, I had nothing

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to do with it, and I'm sorry that it happened. Uh,

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you know, I wouldn't want that to happen, and you know,

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she said the right things, and then they went there

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and in the end, I fought a hell of a fight.

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I mean, it'll it'll be, certainly, at least in terms

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of women's fights, one of the fights, you know, I don't.

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the end of the year. But we're getting near the

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end of the year. We still have Serrano and Taylor

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to come in November. But I feel like the fight

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we saw on Friday night between Mayor and Sandy Ryan

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is going to be, at the very worst a leading contender,

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if not the hourright winner of the women's fight of

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the year. And that's really the main thing we're here

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to talk about, is they put on a hell of

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a show. You said it was close. It was Mikhaila.

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Mayor in my opinion, rightfully won the fight very closely,

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ninety five ninety five on one card, which was reasonable.

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about the range of acceptable scores. A score of ninety

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five ninety five is perfectly legit. A score of ninety

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six to ninety four in favor of either of the

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women would be okay with me. As a turnout that

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one judge had it ninety seven to ninety three in

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favor of Mayor. And even though I don't agree with that,

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there were so many close rounds that it's hard to

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really have a real big conniption about that. Because here's

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the thing. Take a look at the official sport cards.

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They were all over the place for the three judges,

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even though they came out with scores that were sort

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of in the similar area. There was a couple of

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clearly dominating rounds for one or the other, but a

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lot of the rounds, you know, a wow, this is

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a close round. Did you like Sandy Ryan who landed

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maybe a bigger punch, or Michaela maybe you know, put

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it on her a little bit more in that particular round.

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Copy box wise, they actually landed I think the overall total,

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Mikaela landed one more punch in the whole fight. But

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again that's not to say who did what in each round,

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it's just that's the overall totality of the ten rounds.

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I thought Mikaela got off to a tremendous start, That's

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why I had her winning. Because I had her winning

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like four of the first five rounds. I thought she

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out boxed Sandy Ryan beautifully. Her jab was in her face,

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she was pushing her back, and even Michael who was

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not known as this big heavy puncher at one point.

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I want to say it was maybe the second round

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she landed her right hand that almost took Sandy Ryan's

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head off and then knocked her back big time. She

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was really taking a tour. But Sandy Ryan as tough

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as heck, and she came back very strong, and she

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did a hell of a job in the part of

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the five two. Maybe not as busy with her punches,

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but certainly when she landed, you know, Mikhaela felt them.

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But Michaela. She has been in some rough fights with

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bomb Gardner, with Sandy, She's been in the fight with

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Mamya behind a douche that was a tremendous fight when

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she unified FLEs. So she's been She's taken some good

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shots from these these women, and she's shown a great chin.

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To the best of my recollection, Michala Mayer has never

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been on the deck in her twenty two fights as

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a professional and you know, this was a big win

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for I mean, got to remember she was in the

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UK for her last fight that was in January and

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she lost a similarly very close, action packed split decision

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against Natasha Jonas. That'll be another fight that will be

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in the list of women's Fight of the Year candidates.

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And they tried to make a rematch and when it

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didn't happen, it didn't come through. They got Ryan to

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come here to fight the fight, and this time she

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got a little bit of benefit of dow in the

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majority of the decision. You know, that's what happens is

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a close fight. I'd love to see them do a rematch.

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I doubt it will be next, but I think that'll

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be there for these these two women in the future

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at some point when when it's a big fight is necessary,

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they'll definitely be an appetite from the public. I believe

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for this match rematch that happened in great fight.

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Speaker 1: As you detailed, Mikaela Mayer is never in a boring fight.

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She's she's usually in action fights. She scored a lot

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with the lead right hand, and I believe she won

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the fight in the tenth round. I think it could

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have gone either way, and I thought she won the

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tenth round to help her get the victory. All right,

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So that was the main event. As we mentioned, Xander

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Zias and Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington were on this undercard. Zius

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won easily, Carrington had some problems. All right, what are

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on those two fighters and their wins.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get to Zias first, first and foremost. I

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thought that was probably about the best that Xandersias has

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looked as a professional, you know, And I'm not really

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taking strong account until like getting a first roun knockout

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in your pro debut, I mean, since he's been stepped

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that was maybe not a top contend or anything like that,

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but you know, bonafide, legit professional who's been in the

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ring with good, good opponents and this and that Damian Sosa,

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you know, has been in the ring with the good opponent,

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has never been stopped before. But Xander, it just doesn't

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have or doesn't show me anyway, for the most part,

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punching power in his weight class. I mean, he's he's

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got some knockouts, but he never even came close to

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hurting Sosa in my opinion. But that said, I'm not

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knocking the performance. It was a dazzling performance. It was entertaining.

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He just did what he wanted. He out boxed me,

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out punched him. He was slicker, he was faster, his

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defense was on point. He just was, you know, beating

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into the punch the entire fight. And that was a

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very very mature performance from Xander's eyes, coming on the

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heels of his very lopsided, near shutout win on two

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score cards anyway against the former world title the Patrick

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he saw what you saw against Damian Sosa on Friday,

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where he just you know, completely dominated, you know, an

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opponent that I think even the top rank people I

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figured figured he would give some competition even if he

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wasn't going to win. He didn't really give him competition.

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So it seems to me, and we'll see what top

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rank does when they match his next fight. Xander's ayas

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is at this point he's ready to take a little

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bit more of a step up against not just retreads

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and journeymen, but you know, find yourself a decent guy

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in the one fifty four way class that actually might

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have a chance that's not on eighty twenty kind of

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fight and match him up. Now, we talked about in

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the preview and and everything about the prospect of the

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very strong likelihood that at some point next year we're

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going to see Xander's eyes taken on Vito Milnikki. He

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was also on this card. He won his fight on

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the undercart that was on part of the ESPN plus

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preliminary preliminary fights. He got a majority decision, and maybe

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you know, it was a weird scoring like that was

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a fucked up judging situation. He had one judge had

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it a shutout, one judge had it eight rounds to

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two for Veto, and then a third judge because there's

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always one, had it five rounds to five. But Vito

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was the clear winner of the fight. Not a particularly

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good fight, but nonetheless, they did what they're supposed to do.

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They both won their fights. They both did so in

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opinion emphatically, and I think before, not before not too long,

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you'll see top rank make a match between Vito and Xander.

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I can't tell you it's the next fight, but I

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feel like it's coming. Uh, definitely in twenty twenty five.

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But for Xander's point of view, very strong performance and

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uh just don't see the power right now. In terms

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of Bruce Shushu Carington, that was the other fight that

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was the opener of the main card. Look, Top Rank

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and ESPN have been laying it on as thick as

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like you know, a prostitute putting on eyeliner on a

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Friday night. Okay, in the hype that they've been given

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Bruce Shushue Carrington. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: That's an image. That's an image on a Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: They have been laying the hype is so ridiculous for

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what they've been given Carrington. And I say that, by

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the way, TJ. I'm not in any way, shape or

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form anti Bruce Carrington. I think he's a tremendous prospect.

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I enjoy his fights, I enjoy his personality. He's a

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really good prospect. But there's a difference from being a

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prospect to being a guy that the announcers and the

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company rave as say he's ready for a title shot.

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They put him in the same conversation as someday being

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an opponent for Noya in a way, when in a

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way was in New York in June at the Boxing

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Writer's Dinner to collect his Fighter of the Year award.

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He went to the top ranked show the night before

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or then Africant it was the night before the night

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after whatever, but he went to their card on another night.

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I guess it was in June when Bruce Carrington also

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fought on that card, and they showed them like bowing

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at each other and like trying to link them together.

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And I'm laughing about this because, again all due respect

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to mister Shoeshoe, this guy is a very good prospect.

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He's now thirteen and zero. He has fought exactly nobody

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of any real consequence, and they can say what they want,

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but just because you keep saying it over and over

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and over doesn't make it true. He's bought nothing but

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junk up until this fight against Sagawa, who was a

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journeyman type opponent but toughest nuts. I told you this

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in the preview. I said it on our on our

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betting show that sagawas couldn't give this man trouble. If

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Bruce Carrington is not ready and that is exactly what happened.

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This was a very close fight. One Jo chatted a draw.

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I could absolutely see that being a draw. Maybe jushou

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eked it out barely because he closed better. Cigaua for

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whatever reason, just didn't fight the last basically round and

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a half or so.

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Speaker 1: And literally didn't round like he had a sense of

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urgency at all.

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Speaker 2: I agree, he didn't fight at all. I mean, and

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I don't understand that. You you you're near the road guy,

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it's not your promotion, you know, you really need to

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close the show now. Segau was coming off a very

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very big win for him, a tremendous upset against Reuben Via,

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the featherweight contender who fought for a world title with

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being Jose had been a Jose had beaten A Louis

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Alberta Lopez in a non title fight. I mean, real

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solid victory. Is his reward, you know, if that's a reward,

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was to fight this fight against the prospect, and he

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acquitted himself extremely well. And Carrington is lucky as anything

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to get out of the dodge with a majority of

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decision victory because let me tell you, that fight easily

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could have gone the other direction. I thought Carrington looked flat.

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I didn't think he looked dynamic. His punch pout put

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was way down. Uh you know, listen, maybe he was

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got an injury that we didn't know about. Maybe he

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was ill that we didn't know about, and all that

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and that happens. But uh, you know, the hype that

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he has been getting was never commensurate with where he

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was in terms of his ability. Now that said, this victory,

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as as questionable as it may be, I believe will

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help him get better. And to his credit, in his

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post fight interview, he gave props to the guy with

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that he's going to make me better that you know,

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he's tough guy. You know, I'm gonna go back and

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learn from this. I mean he's saying all the right things.

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He's a very by the way, all the all the

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things I'm saying again, I'll reiterate, I am not anti Carrington.

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I think he's a tremendous cross and I enjoy him

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very much and I wish he does become a top

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fighter because he can never have enough. You know, he's

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a great talker. He's a great talker, great personality can

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draw fans in New York. I mean, you need that

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type of guy. You know, it's not the same.

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Speaker 1: But he has still the skill level and the victories

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don't match the hype, is what you're saying. And I'm

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with you one that he had problems the other night.

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So I thought, especially early on in the fight, he

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looked confused. I thought Tim Bradley was pointing out, hey,

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Sagawa is coming aggressive at him, and Sagawa's got a

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good plan and using movement, and it's like Carrington couldn't

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figure that out. So you're exactly right that we need

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to see more. We need to see more against bet.

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Speaker 2: I don't want it before we go. I don't want

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to hear about a title fight. I don't want to

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hear of it in a way. Uh but but but

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just let's continue the learning curve. I mean, I think

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one of the reasons that they've kind of gone on

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the fast track is because as a featherweight at age

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twenty seven, you know, you're really not you know, you're

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you're a little older. Frankly, from the personality perspective and

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the fact that he's a New Yorker, an African American

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New Yorker, quick hands, flashy kind of style, you know,

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look he you know, I'm gonna date myself with it.

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But he's reminiscent, not necessarily because of the punching power

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or the or or other attributes of his game, but

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just from the marketability and the and the way he

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talks and everything he does remind me he is reminiscent.

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And it's the same way class as a young Kevin Kelly,

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you know, the Flushing Flash from New York, who you know,

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used to use to fight a ton of fights in

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that same uh Madison Square Gardens theater back in the

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in the nineties and was obviously became a featherweight champion.

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It was one of the best featherweights of his time

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and fought everybody, had some classic fights. Uh listen, they

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gotta just slow the hype train a little bit. Uh,

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be a little more uh uh you know, walk softer

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and then carry the big stick when you actually should

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be carrying the big stick right now down. We shouldn't

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be turning this one up to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Put it like right and and by the way, laying

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it on thick is me with the syrup on the pancakes,

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or like here're the good. When the Polynesian saw us

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at Chick fil A on the nuggets, either one on

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the nugs. But yeah, qu shu win a little more

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from him, by the way, speaking a little more, a

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little more to go, and then you're gonna hear from

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Frank Warren of Queensberry pro.

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Speaker 2: I got it. I gotta mention one of the fights

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in the undercard though, yep, as I said in the preview,

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my one of my favorite top rank prospects who opened

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the show the first fight of the stream. Uh and

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I believe after what he's been doing in his recent fights,

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he's gonna move up to the cart and get a

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little more attention, get a little more love that he

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deserves from top rank instead of some of these other

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guys that are massively over in my opinion, and that

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is Rohan Polanco, the Dominican Olympian, scored another sensational performance,

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another knockout victory against Marcelena Lopez, a veteran who, by

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the way, Marcelena Lopez in over forty fights going into

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this fight, granted a little bit older, had never been

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stopped in five loss and four previous losses, had never

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been knocked down in a career spanning more than forty fights.

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Where he's fought plenty of top notch guys and Rowan

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Planco dropped him four times and stopped and making made

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him take a knee on three of those occasions, and

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then stopped him in around number six. He's a tremendous prospect.

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To keep an eye on Rohan Polanco and top rank.

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Do the right thing and give him a little hype

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and a little love, more so than some of these

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other guys that you overrate.

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Speaker 1: Now we're quoting Spike Lee movies. Do the right thing,

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all right. Also on Friday night, Alicia Baumgardner retained her

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undisputed women's junior lightweight title, and then on Saturday, in

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a bit of an upset, but you and I both

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called this, Terry Harper captured the WBO lightweight Women's world

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title in the Matchroom Design main event in Sheffield, England.

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I what about these? I have to confess to you.

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With all else that was going on, I was not

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really much involved in either one of these. Certainly in

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the UK they cared more about the Terry Harper win

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and the card. So give me some insight on both

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of these real quick.

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Speaker 2: So I watched the Bomb Garner fight. It was on

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what's called Brinks TV. I watched it on Triller Plus.

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I mean, I guess they made that their stream available

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to other platforms. One thing that really irritated me is

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that they kept saying on this card and it was

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the history of the first ever all women's boxing card,

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blah blah blah, not true, bald faced lie. Truth does

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matter still in my opinion, facts still matter. It's not

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even the second all women's card. There's been several of

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them over the years. That being said, this was the

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main event was on a purs fit even though that

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was her last fight Alicia on her a Matchroom boxing contract,

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and it was a good match up on paper. I mean,

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you know, we can just you know, we don't have

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to lindiigate once again all the reasons why Bombgarner had

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not fought for the past fourteen months because of her

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drug test failures. But nonetheless she did defend the titles

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in her return. This was in Atlanta, Georgia, or the

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outskirts of Atlanta, I guess. And what Marietta, Georgia. They

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were saying. It was that kind of soundstage too. They

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had like a VIP only it wasn't like they didn't

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go seller.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, and by the way, let me

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interject too, that we talked going into the weekend that

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Hurricane Helene had roared up the Gulf of Mexico had

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caused wind and rain damage here. That same hurricane came

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ashore Friday and flew up through Georgia and right through

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Atlanta with heavy wind and rain and flash flooding in

473
00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:45,240
the area as they were holding. You know, it moved

474
00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:46,880
through in the afternoon in the evening as they were

475
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,519
about to hold this card in Atlanta.

476
00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:50,279
Speaker 2: For all the card went through, it didn't really seem

477
00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,240
to impact the show, so, you know, whatever it was

478
00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:54,680
in the end though, Look, Pursua was a good opponent.

479
00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:57,519
She was the mandatory in the WBC. That's why it

480
00:21:57,519 --> 00:21:58,799
had gone to a purse. But because it was a

481
00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:02,680
mandatory and there wasn't a lot to look at in

482
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,960
the fight, I mean, it was just sort of it

483
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,400
gotten off to a little bit of a slow start.

484
00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:09,599
There was one knockdown that Bombgarner was credited for because

485
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,000
she made it wasn't like she was hurt or like,

486
00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:14,559
you know, all the way down, but because the way

487
00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:16,680
the punch landed, that Pursue I guess was ruled that

488
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,839
she had touched her one glove through the canvas, and

489
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,960
so Lawrence Cole, who was the referee, appropriately gave her

490
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,720
a count. But other than that, really nothing had much

491
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,799
had gone on. And then in the fourth round there

492
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,839
was a headbutt that opened a cutover Delphine Pursuon's eye,

493
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,720
and there was a lot of conversation. To me, honestly,

494
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,400
it didn't really and I'm not a doctor, but I've

495
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,799
seen certainly a million headbutts and a lot of cuts

496
00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:40,240
in my day of color and boxing. Didn't really seem

497
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:42,519
that bad. The blood wasn't getting into her eye. It

498
00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,200
was in a spot where at the very least it

499
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,440
was gonna drip it was going to be down the side,

500
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,640
not right into her eye. So it wasn't really seeming.

501
00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,119
I think it wasn't impacting her vision. But in any event,

502
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,079
they decided that the fight should be called off, and

503
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,720
because the fight had not gone four complete rounds, it

504
00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:59,279
was just shy of finishing round four. Therefore it was

505
00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:02,799
really no con So she retains the title, and you know,

506
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,519
just sort of a disappointment, but she's back in action,

507
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,200
you know, Neither I don't know if there will be

508
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,880
a rematch. I'm not sure what the WBC will do

509
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,559
because it was a mandatory fight. We'll have to wait

510
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:12,319
and see on that. As I mentioned, it was the

511
00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:14,599
final fight of her match from boxing contract. I had

512
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,039
the occasion to speak with her manager, Keith Connelly on Sunday,

513
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,640
who said, yes, it is the last fight of her contract,

514
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,599
but you know, in the next couple of weeks, he

515
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,960
said he plans to sit down with Eddie Hearn to

516
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,079
discuss the future deal. He says, We're not going to

517
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,359
go and talk to anybody until we sit down and

518
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,240
talk with Eddie, just to see what their thoughts are about,

519
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,400
you know, doing a new contract. But look, at the

520
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,359
end of the day, whatever you think about her drug situation,

521
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,400
Bomb Garner is still the undisputed champion in her weight class.

522
00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:42,880
She only has the one loss in her career way

523
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,119
back in the day, a fight that she avenged. And

524
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,160
we'll see, because there's gonna be some other fights out there.

525
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,720
I'm sure that she'll be willing to move up and

526
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,640
wait for the right fight. There could be a rematch

527
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,240
down the road with say McCallum Mayer for example. Data

528
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,319
an interesting fight back back in the day she had.

529
00:23:57,599 --> 00:23:59,079
She has a win over Terry Harper, who will talk

530
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,920
about in a minute, So there's definitely some opposition out

531
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,279
there for Licia to go up against whatever her promotional

532
00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:07,880
scenario was. And then you mentioned about the Terry Harper

533
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,279
fight that was the main event on the match from

534
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:12,759
cart that took place in Sheffield, England. She beat Rihan

535
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:15,440
and Dixon who was ten andz going in with one knockout,

536
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,519
but had never fought anybody. She kind of got gifted

537
00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:19,920
a a vacant title in a win against just a

538
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,359
regular kind of opponent, and look, Terry Harper is vastly

539
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,160
more experienced, had fought way better opponents. And despite the

540
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,200
fact that she had suffered a loss to Sandy Ryan

541
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,839
in her previous fight by a knockout back in March

542
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,440
of this year, and then before that she had gotten

543
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,319
to a draw with Cecilia Brecust those were fights that

544
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,599
were in weight classes where she was way over where

545
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,559
she should have probably been fighting. She had been a

546
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,559
champ at one hundred and thirty and thirty five, and

547
00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:45,519
then she had fought at one forty seven, and she

548
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:49,440
also fought bretcost Technically was a junior midleweight title fight.

549
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,680
She's back at that light and she quitted herself well.

550
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,200
Even though she lost those fights. Now she's back at

551
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:58,440
lightweight where she really belongs. And she even admitted like

552
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,880
she felt much faster without the extra weight and everything.

553
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:03,799
And it showed because she was able to really take

554
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,720
it to Rihann and Dixon, who you know, fought hard,

555
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,319
but there were some competitive rounds in the fight, but

556
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,799
in the end it was clearly Terry Harper that was

557
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,720
the obvious winner of the fight. Scorecards officially were ninety six,

558
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,720
ninety four, ninety seven, ninety three twice. The ninety seven

559
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:20,039
ninety three seemed like the right call in my mind,

560
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,759
and you know, pretty good fight and in the end,

561
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,279
Terry Harper, you know, she she gets a little bit

562
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,400
of a vindication from her previous two losses in the

563
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,599
heavier weight. She wins another world title. She's now a

564
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,400
three time world titlelder because she's won the titles now

565
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,640
twice at the lightweight division and also down in the

566
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,000
junior lightweight division. Look, she's she's a hard working fighter.

567
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:40,720
She usually makes a pretty good fight and we'll see,

568
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:42,759
as I said, that's that's a good weight class. There's

569
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,519
a lot of a lot of good women in and around,

570
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,640
and you know, we've talked about the women. They can

571
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,759
move up, they move down, so it shouldn't be any

572
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:52,960
real issue in terms of having the ability to find

573
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,039
a quality opponent to take on in the future.

574
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:57,599
Speaker 1: Good stuff on all of that, and by the way,

575
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,240
we should make mentioned we don't get them all right,

576
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,000
but you and I both unbeaten on the bet Us

577
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,000
Boxing show. You went five and oh, I went six

578
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:06,480
and oh. Now some of these, I mean, we knew

579
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,720
the over was going to be in play for these fights,

580
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,279
especially the women's world title fights. But still we'll take it.

581
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,480
We'll take it. They count as wins, they count as w's,

582
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,319
they count as wins.

583
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's been a time where we've picked an

584
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,240
over where we thought was easy money and we lost.

585
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: So of course, of course, all right, one primary news item,

586
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,799
then we get to Frank Warren. Oh oh, and it's

587
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:31,799
a very interesting one. On Friday, as Devin Haney filed

588
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,759
a lawsuit in New York Eastern District Court against Ryan

589
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:41,880
Garcia and Golden Boy Promotions over money and over Garcia's

590
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,680
positive drug test, and he also sued the strength coach.

591
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,039
Correct here too, he sued everybody but Santa Claus in

592
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:54,200
this lawsuit. All right, you've done some digging and looked

593
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,200
into the lawsuit. I guess the first plus question to

594
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,960
you is, can you recall, because you're a great historical reference,

595
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:04,960
the last time a fighter lost a fight, which Hany

596
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,799
did and then it's ruled a no contest like this

597
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,960
after the fact, and now we got lawsuit over peds.

598
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,000
I certainly don't have the depth of knowledge you do,

599
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,480
but I can't recall something like that in recent history,

600
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,400
at least anyway, where it's a lawsuit after the fact

601
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,880
over a ped violation and he's suing everybody. What about it?

602
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,279
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I'm not saying there's never been one

603
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:31,279
that's happened, but in the inventory of my immediate memory,

604
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,400
I do not recall a lawsuit being filed under that circumstance.

605
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,759
I mean, I've read the lawsuit. It's like sixteen pages,

606
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,119
actually shorter, because one page is the end, you know,

607
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,119
just the names and the docket stuff, and then the

608
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,640
bottom is just signatures whatever. And basically what the upshot

609
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,640
is is he's suing him for battery based on the

610
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,440
fact that he didn't consent to having Ryan Garcia on

611
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,559
peds and therefore, you know, by punching him under the

612
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,640
you know, having the peds in a system that was

613
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,799
amount into into the legal opinion as battery. And we'll

614
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,720
see it's an interesting legal uh theory, I suppose. I mean,

615
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,440
I'm not a lawyer, but I've not really ever kind

616
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,680
of really heard that. You know. Ryan Garcia, as he

617
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:14,680
is one to do, had to make a comment about

618
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,519
it on his h on his Instagram where he said, quote,

619
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:20,119
I'm being sued for doing my job end quote, you know,

620
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:23,440
and the the snarky onaned me we we uh. I

621
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,640
I resisted the urge to respond say, well, last I checked,

622
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,920
your job is not to ingest ostering. But that's a

623
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,039
different story. Uh so he's So that's that's the the

624
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,920
upshot of that. In terms of the the the strength trainer,

625
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,680
there's a very well known, popular, UH friendly strength coach

626
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,279
who works with all kinds of athletes, lots of boxers,

627
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,039
lots of celebrities named David Scooter Honig from Long Island,

628
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,279
and in the lawsuit he is accused of having given

629
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,559
uh uh Ryan Garcia the Austrian UH now he was

630
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:58,720
not working with Ryan Garcia on a regular basis, but

631
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,440
when Ryan Garcia was having so many struggles to make

632
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,279
the weight and then obviously well he claimed later that

633
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:07,039
he missed it on purpose. But and I heard this

634
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:08,680
way back. This is not from the lawsuit, but I

635
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,119
knew this at the time, in real time, as this

636
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,279
was occurring when they were going forward to get ready

637
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:16,880
for the weigh in. That when he had disappeared in

638
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,000
New York and no one really knew where Ryan Garcie was,

639
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,519
and you know, his teams, you know, found he was

640
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,799
drinking and running around with a girl and this, and

641
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:28,319
that they had called on Scooter to basically come and

642
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,880
help Ryan drop the last few pounds. And so the

643
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,039
accusation is that supposedly he gave him whatever he gave him.

644
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:37,920
Now that I mean, look, you never know what the

645
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,720
real deal is. But in my knowledge of Scooter Honik,

646
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,839
that's not his style at law.

647
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: So this is one point where I love to interject,

648
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,559
and you love this when we go back and forth,

649
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,319
because my mother wanted me to be a lawyer. I

650
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,319
keep telling you this. I love legal dramas, and I

651
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:51,640
love looking into legal cases and whatever. And one thing

652
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,960
you hear all the time, my friend, is there is

653
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,200
a difference between what you know or what you think

654
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,279
you know, and what can you action prove when it

655
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,599
comes time to prove it. You know this, So I Key,

656
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,319
I listen to you, and I keep thinking about, how

657
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:11,519
are you going to prove even if you think you

658
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,759
know that that's where it came from, how are you

659
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,559
going to prove that this guy gave him the stuff

660
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,759
as opposed to maybe he took it on his own.

661
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Maybe the person that threw the red paint on Sandy

662
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:28,240
Ryan gave it to Ryan Garcia, maybe vendor. How do

663
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:31,319
you how do you prove who gave it to him?

664
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,960
Unless you've got some kind of video evidence, unless you've

665
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,200
got an admission on the record, anybody like like, let

666
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,480
me give you an example, if Ryan Garcia, who's been

667
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,039
popping off about everything, were to have given an interview

668
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:46,599
that said, well, I just took the drugs that my

669
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:51,119
strength coach gave me. Okay, Bamo, Now that's interesting of

670
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,319
of Okay, now he is outing the strength coach. But

671
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,480
I don't remember that happening. I don't remember Garcia saying.

672
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: That, somber, How you proved that go ahead. This is

673
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,559
also a case, not a criminal case, so the burden

674
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,319
of proof is less in a criminal in a civil

675
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,480
case than a case. But Steve, I don't know, I

676
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,720
mean who that knows. But they also so that's that's

677
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,799
a small part of the case. In the paperwork. They

678
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,559
also sue Golden Boy because when this was the Golden

679
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:19,079
Boy part is over the money. When Ryan Garcia was

680
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,880
suspended by the New York State Athletic Commission, part of

681
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,680
the the order that he signed off on and his

682
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,079
lawyer signed off on, where that he had to return

683
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,720
the purse for the fight, which was well over you know,

684
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:33,720
the guaranteed person, not whatever there would be on the

685
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,119
on the pay per view or anything like that, but

686
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,799
it was way over a million dollars. And so the

687
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,920
Haini camp asserts that and they go through and there's

688
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,279
actually exhibits in the in the in the lawsuit where

689
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:47,759
Devin Haney the deal that they made. This is also

690
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:49,519
interesting because it pulls back the colonel. But on the

691
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,000
business side of things, when it got down to the

692
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:54,599
nitty gritty, the split of the money on the event

693
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:59,319
was what Ryan Garcia already called Devin Haney was entitled

694
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,839
the forty seven percent of the gross profit or of

695
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,000
the net profits of the event. So it was you know,

696
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:07,680
you know, it's a little less than fifty to fifty.

697
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,799
But obviously Ryan, you know, even though he wasn't the

698
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:11,880
champion going into the fight, Ryan was, I think everybody

699
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,400
would agree, was the bigger star, the bigger name, the

700
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,759
one that was driving the promotion. More so, Hainey took

701
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,319
a little bit less than fifty to fifty. So the

702
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,799
point is they assert that if you had to get

703
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,920
back over a million dollars from Ryan Garcia, we are

704
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,440
entitled out to forty seven percent of that money. And

705
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,279
Goldenway is not paid that and so that's part of

706
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:34,319
the lossuit. Also so interesting where we'll go who that knows.

707
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:37,279
But they did sue him, they did sue Golden Boy,

708
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:38,839
and they did sue the strength coach. And it just

709
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,400
was filed on Friday, And it's not going to be

710
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,640
something that plays out in a few days, a few weeks,

711
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,359
you know how these things go. That takes time to

712
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,720
wind through the legal system. They'll be discovery, they'll be

713
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,079
possibly depositions and all that. Maybe they'll settle, Maybe we'll

714
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,920
go to a court, we'll see. I kind of find

715
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,400
it hard to see this is actually going to go

716
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,039
to an actual like right trial.

717
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: But this is about trying to get the money from

718
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,279
Golden Boy primarily, I would think. But this doesn't move

719
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,960
quickly through a court system, through a federal you know,

720
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,559
civil court system in New York. It's not gonna happen

721
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:09,240
next week.

722
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: I have read in my day, uh, tons and tons

723
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,480
of litigation, tons of lawsuits in the boxing space, whether

724
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:23,720
it's about you know, sanctioned bodies or or lawsuits because

725
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:25,920
of promotional stuff. Usually they're center around money and this

726
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680
and that. This lawsuit in particular, as I read it,

727
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,440
I found it to be shockingly light on details compared

728
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,519
to other lawsuits I have read. Understood usually when you

729
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,599
read a lawsuit, obviously the lawsuits are written from the

730
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,359
perspective of the of the person that is suing the other party,

731
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,519
and so it's laid on, you know, like everything they do,

732
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:45,440
they walk on water and everything the other side does.

733
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,000
They're evil and cart it, uh and they try to

734
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:50,680
make it out like that and they pile on their

735
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,440
their views of everything. This one really wasn't like that.

736
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,720
It was like they made the accusations, and they obviously

737
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,720
had the specifics in terms of what the splits were

738
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,279
on the UH, on the on the money of the event,

739
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,519
but I didn't feel like I was reading some massive

740
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,359
indictment on the other side. Yes, Ryan Garcia used the

741
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,000
drugs and that's been you know, showing he signed the

742
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,079
situation to say I would take the suspension. He basically

743
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,840
admitted it. So that was surprising. We'll see how it

744
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,519
plays out.

745
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: All right, So we covered that thoroughly with the Hainey situation.

746
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,840
What say that we move on to a fascinating conversation

747
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,320
that you had. This is good, This is good, Yes,

748
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,800
that you had this weekend with Frank Warren, who heads

749
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,280
up Queensberry Promotions and has been one of the more

750
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,719
prominent UH fight promoters in the world, specifically in the

751
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,119
UK for decades. Now you're gonna hear about Daniel Duboise

752
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,360
win from Frank's perspective over Anthony Joshua. What does it mean?

753
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: Uh?

754
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,199
Speaker 1: What about the Fury rematch with Usik and how does

755
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:54,000
that play into dubois future hams of Schiraz is his fighter.

756
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,440
We got a nick Ball fight coming up. You're gonna

757
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,559
hear about so let me just say to the audience,

758
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,639
this is a bit long compared to a lot of

759
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:03,320
the interviews we have, but it is well worth it.

760
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,000
Well worth it. Listen in to Big Dan and Frank

761
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,880
Warren and we'll wrap with some nostalgia on the back

762
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,519
side of this.

763
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: Right now. Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome to

764
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,559
our podcast for the very first time, but a man

765
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,320
I've known for I don't know, Frank, about twenty five

766
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,719
years or so. It is the Hall of Fame promoter

767
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,719
Frank Warren from Queensberry Promotions. Frank, we got a lot

768
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,519
to talk about after all the events you've been involved

769
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,480
with recently, a lot of stuff coming up, So thank

770
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,800
you very much for doing this with me today. I

771
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,360
appreciate it.

772
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: I'll tell us some pleasure. Ben.

773
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into it, Frank. I mean we're about

774
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,840
a little bit, a little bit less than a week removed.

775
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,880
By the time people hear this, it'll be about a

776
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,360
week removed from that massive event that you were involved

777
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,000
with co promoting in Wembley Stadium where your man Daniel

778
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:51,000
dewascort a spectacular victory, massive knockout against Anthony Joshua to

779
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:55,159
retain the IBF heavyweight title. Just a terrific fight alb

780
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,800
yet one sided. And so I think the question a

781
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,639
lot of boxing fans have Frank is after that kind

782
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,320
of victory, what is next for Daniel Dubois.

783
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: Well, he actually, excuse me, Dan went on he went

784
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,119
on holiday today and.

785
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: We're going to sit down when he comes back and.

786
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,199
Speaker 3: Look at the options. But obviously the big fights taking

787
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,920
place on the.

788
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 4: Twenty first of December in Read part of.

789
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:26,039
Speaker 3: The Red Seen Read season, which is the rematch between

790
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,639
Busik and Tyson. So we got an eye on that,

791
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,880
and there's been a lot of We've had quite a

792
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,079
few approaches from aj Seen asking about rematch, which you know,

793
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,079
I wouldn't have a problem with that because I think

794
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,320
I think Dan Dan will deal with the rematch the

795
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,159
same way as the last fight. And we also look after.

796
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:49,159
Speaker 4: Quite a few other.

797
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: Good heiryweys, like saying Parker, So there's some good fights

798
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,280
there to be made against some good heavyweights.

799
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: So, as a person like yourself that's been involved with

800
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,480
the biggest events for decades, which do you think from

801
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:05,519
a financial point of view, from a fan interest point

802
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,760
of view, which is the biggest one in your mind?

803
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:14,039
Speaker 3: I think the biggest one would be would be the

804
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:18,320
winner of the fight in December for obvious reasons. I

805
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,159
think you know that the four belts would be on

806
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,960
the line, and it would be and it would be

807
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,639
an interesting scenario because you know, if it's Tyson that

808
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:31,920
it put me in a pretty awkward position because both

809
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,679
the guys and I'm quite close to them. But if

810
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,000
this is a business at the end of the guys,

811
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,719
if if you have to, if they went in that direction,

812
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,280
then it's something we'd do because we've done it in

813
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,280
the past with guys that we you know, two guys

814
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,760
that we are we have we know we work with

815
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,079
the other. I believe Tyson will win the fight, but

816
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,760
if it were to be sick, what a great rematch

817
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,960
that would be between him and Daniel because it was

818
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:02,320
quite controversial last time round, and certainly from my perspective,

819
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,280
and I've got my views on whether it was a

820
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,440
low blow or not, I think it was a legisimate punch.

821
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,199
But anyway, he's grown up a lot since then. I mean,

822
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:13,599
he's probably when you look at Daniel, he's had four

823
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:17,360
fights in twelve months, which was against Lusik, who was

824
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,239
the undefeated heavyweight four belt champion at the time.

825
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:27,639
Speaker 2: Three free belt, but still still a type evyweight honestly.

826
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, who was undefeated and he went in there

827
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,920
as an underdog. He then thought Babe Miller who came back,

828
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,320
who was undefeated, who was a top ten ranked fighter.

829
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,320
He then fought Hergovich for the interim title, who was

830
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,679
also undefeated, and againly when he's an underdog in that

831
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,079
fight and done a job on her. Addition, obviously with

832
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:55,440
aj two time world champion, Olympic gold medalist, I can't

833
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,559
think of many heavyweights at this stage of the stage

834
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:03,039
of a career. He's at a full literally first full

835
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:07,159
four times in the year against such good quality fincs well.

836
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,039
Speaker 2: I also, Frank, think about it like this. When he

837
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:12,760
fought Usik, he got the opportunity he he you know,

838
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,400
and you and I certainly had a public disagreement about

839
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,800
our thoughts on that, and I'm glad we can put

840
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,840
that aside. But he didn't win the fight, and it

841
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,159
was kind of a low point for him, and then

842
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,599
for him to bounce back from that in the manner

843
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,480
in which he did, and to dust himself off and

844
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,920
not just win the fights like you mentioned against Jeral Miller,

845
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,159
and then in the fight after that against Philip Perkovic,

846
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,599
and then obviously Joshua. To me anyway, as an observer

847
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,280
of boxing for you know, decades, myself here covering it,

848
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,480
writing about it, et cetera, like to see a guy

849
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:43,760
go from being basically on the scrap heap to a

850
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,000
lot of people to winning very impressively and then again

851
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,199
against Joshua, What does that tell you about like his mentality,

852
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,840
that he could kind of recover from what had to

853
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,119
be a very difficult time after the USIK loss.

854
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 3: Well, he had, I mean a lot of people, let's say,

855
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,519
people said that basically, you know, you didn't have heart,

856
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,159
and some people even said that, you know, said things

857
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,639
like Twitter. I never agreed with that at all, and

858
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,000
I felt that, you know, since the Music fight done

859
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,599
him a favor in many ways, you know, because he

860
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,159
had to he grew up after that fight. I said

861
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,840
to him, Look, you knew you had the power to

862
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,840
hit to hurt him, and you allowed your frustration with

863
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,960
a referee to get into your mind.

864
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 4: And that's not what it's about.

865
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,199
Speaker 3: You know, you have to be your own referee. You've

866
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,440
got You're very capable we got a very good job.

867
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:41,320
You're very fast on your feet, and you've got and

868
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,679
you're very powerful punch with both hands and that. And

869
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,880
we sat and talked about it, and he watched the

870
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,159
fight back. I know, we watched it back a few times.

871
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,000
And I think that's been the making of him. I

872
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:55,119
think he's at the grittiest teeth. I think he's matured

873
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:58,920
mentally because he's he's quite you know, he's a very

874
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,559
introverted guy. I mean, even after this fight, the last fight,

875
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:04,559
he didn't want to do the press come for he

876
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:07,400
sauldn't want to go home, and that's I mean, that's serious.

877
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,440
He just wanted the guy. He doesn't like, you know,

878
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:14,400
the publicity side of the sport. He has no time for.

879
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,400
It's once you get him there, you know, you're talk

880
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,159
and so forth. But getting him there is hard work.

881
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:24,159
And you know, as I say it, mentally, he's really

882
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:27,920
he's really really has matured. And physically he's got stronger,

883
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,639
and he's i mean he's only twenty seven a couple

884
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:30,719
of weeks ago.

885
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 4: And that's quite younger, you know for a heavyweight.

886
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,519
Speaker 3: And and you know, I just feel he can go

887
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:39,599
from strength to shrimp now. I mean, this is exciting

888
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,159
times for him and for the heavyweight division, because one

889
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:45,320
thing's for sure, whether you like him or you don't,

890
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,360
you've never seen him in a boring.

891
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,519
Speaker 2: Fight, That's true enough. And as you mentioned, at age

892
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:53,199
twenty seven, he's basically the youngest of the top contenders

893
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:56,039
and champions there in the sport, in the division right now.

894
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,079
And you know, look Tyson Fury and Joshua and who

895
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,400
was sick. I mean, they're also outstanding fighters, but they're

896
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,400
not getting any younger. I mean, Danigill maybe around for

897
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,079
a number of years once those guys, you know, exit

898
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:09,480
the stage. But you know, one thing I gotta say,

899
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:11,480
as I respect a lot, is that when he lost

900
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:14,320
the fight the way he did against against Joe Joyce

901
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,159
a few years ago, and then the way he lost

902
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,760
against Usik, Frank Warren never waivered. You stuck by him.

903
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,280
You always, at least publicly spoke very highly of him,

904
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,719
and you know, never seemed to back away from keeping him,

905
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,280
you know, in the spotlight and putting him back in

906
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,320
fights and building him back up. What was it that

907
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,360
you saw about him? Where in my experience anyway, after

908
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,480
the second loss to Usik, the way that that happened.

909
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:38,719
A lot of promoters might have, like, you know, distanced

910
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,920
themselves to some degree or not made him a priority.

911
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:45,280
But that's not what you did, because I'll.

912
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: Genuinely believe them that. You know, sometimes it takes, but

913
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,159
you can be mature physically and not mature, you know,

914
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:56,559
mentally fight wise. And I just felt that I just

915
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:58,679
thought he was there. I think he'll I'll think he'llowed

916
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,440
be allowed. In the fight with Usik, he allowed the

917
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,440
referee to get to him. I thought the referee was

918
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,440
very fussy. He kept stopping, stopping the fight, you know,

919
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,199
at the low blow stuff. I mean, even when USI

920
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,639
wanted to continue, he said, no, no, take more time

921
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,840
and went nonsense. And it was nearly it was nearly

922
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,679
four minutes. And there was a couple other moments in

923
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,239
the fight which I weren't happy with, and the referee

924
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,440
didn't give the correct instructions at the beginning. But look

925
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:26,360
that that that that happens in boxing. We've all been there,

926
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,960
We've seen things like that over the years.

927
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: But you could have if you're a fighter, you've got to.

928
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:33,159
Speaker 3: Have a mindset that you know you're in the other

929
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,360
guy's backyard. I know the fight was in Poland, but

930
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,760
the majority of the I think it's forty seven thousand crowd,

931
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,679
you know, probably ninety percent of them were Ukrainians. So

932
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,360
you're in the other guy's backyard. And if you want

933
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,880
the title, you've got to go and get it. You've

934
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,679
got to go and fight for it and rip it

935
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,920
off of him. And he just he just allowed allowed

936
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,719
the referee, the fussiness at times of the referee allowed

937
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,039
that to get to him. And that's not acceptable and

938
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:01,960
it's not good enough. And as a say, you know,

939
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,000
when he looked back at the fight, I know he

940
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,360
thought himself and we had the discussion about this, is

941
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,719
that you know, I should have won this. I felt

942
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,599
I had the power to do it. I could hurt him.

943
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,840
I gave him up until the Tyson unification fight. He

944
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,599
gave Usik. He's toughest fight, no doubt about that. He

945
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:21,480
did to him what nobody else has.

946
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: Done, which would really hurt the man.

947
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: And no, Sick's a great fighter, by the way, but

948
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:29,920
it's it was the making of him.

949
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,679
Speaker 4: And you know, for me, it's not the end of

950
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:32,280
the world where.

951
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:34,119
Speaker 3: Fight gets beat and it's how you get beaten. The

952
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:36,360
more importantly how you deal with it and come back.

953
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,639
Speaker 2: So when you made the fight with Joshua, I know

954
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,800
you were a supportive of Daniel. You thought he had

955
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,400
a great chance to win, that he would win, he

956
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,000
had the power to do. Maybe what he did. We've

957
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,679
seen Anthony Joshua had been stopped before when he had

958
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:53,199
to fight with in Deuries. But Frank, let's be honest here,

959
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,519
I don't think anybody, even if you were a Daniel

960
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,360
Dubois supporter, thought that he was going to go in

961
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,599
the ring and get ten and then knocking out clean

962
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,480
with one shot. Like nobody thought it would be that easy.

963
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:07,079
You couldn't have thought it was going to be like that.

964
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,559
Speaker 3: Now I felt, I genuinely felt, and I said before

965
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,800
the fight, same as I said before the Hergovic fight,

966
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,519
I know he's got the power to if he catches you,

967
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,199
you're in trouble. He's a good finisher. But I felt

968
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,400
for the Joshua. Certainly, with a Joshua fight, it was

969
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:25,400
it was going to be who ever went on the

970
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,199
back foot was going to struggle because they're both offensive fighters.

971
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,480
And for for Daniel, he's got superb jab and what

972
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,920
it was lacking certainly in Hurgovich for that fight was

973
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,559
a lot of her head move If you look in

974
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,119
that fight, he was free jab and he.

975
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:42,199
Speaker 4: Was moving his head like little shimmy, so you know.

976
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: He was just rolling working his way in. But the

977
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,239
first meaningful jab that he hit AJ with his head

978
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,920
snapped back. Yeah, you're that was that was for me,

979
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,079
was the meaning most meaningful moment in the fight, because

980
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:58,239
once he did that, he was I knew that AJ

981
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,000
would go on his back foot. And after that, as

982
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,599
you say, I mean, he managed to put him down

983
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,119
on the floor and that was a ten eight round

984
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,239
and same in the net round. But then if you

985
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,280
look at a penultimate round a J. Hitt were a

986
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,239
really good up upper cut. He caught him with a

987
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,039
good uppercut and he creckly see from come through that,

988
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,400
and then the fifth round he's corner. They used the words,

989
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,039
they said, you know they're going to come out down,

990
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,880
roll the dice, basically go for it, and that that

991
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,079
that for me, was his downfall.

992
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:31,159
Speaker 2: That was a bad mistake, well, I think for.

993
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: Them at that stage. So you know, if you look

994
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,480
at the scoring of the rounds, what was he must

995
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:37,599
have been about five rounds behind but.

996
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: I know he had lost. He had had three ten

997
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:43,320
eight rounds against him in a ten nine round where

998
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:45,079
you know, even though he did't get dropped, he still

999
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,199
lost round. So the wires way ahead.

1000
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so seven seven rounds up. But the thing and

1001
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,159
that means that at that stage that AJ's got to

1002
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,760
stop him to win. But what when he did that?

1003
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,119
And again I said it before the fight, it's going

1004
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:06,239
to be about it's about the counter punch when they

1005
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,719
when he lets his right hand go, he leaves himself

1006
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,639
very vulnerable. A J. He leaves hisself vulnerable. The chin's out.

1007
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,960
And then and he counted and caught him after a

1008
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,000
J caught him with a tremendous shot by the week

1009
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,360
and and you know, for me again it was not

1010
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,760
just about who's biggest puncher, who's got the best chin,

1011
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:24,960
And Daniel's got a good chin.

1012
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,079
Speaker 4: I mean there's one a chin, one a chim.

1013
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: Problem with the fight with Joe Joyce, I mean he

1014
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,159
had four fractures of his of the orbital bone.

1015
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a guy. I may have given him

1016
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,559
a lot of grief after the USIG fight, but I

1017
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,000
was like, you know, anybody given Daniel Dubois grief for

1018
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,880
what happened in the Joys fight. Doesn't understand how hard

1019
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,440
that injury is. That's a legit injury.

1020
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a life and you know it's a

1021
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:54,239
career ending injury because he's he's he's retina was was

1022
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,079
was coming away, as the doctor said it was. You know,

1023
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:02,719
if it had gone, I mean longer would detached completely.

1024
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 4: And and you know, and as I say in and.

1025
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: Again in the other fight, I mean, he got caught

1026
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,559
with jab in that fight, and it was just like,

1027
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,480
you know, it's a peculiar. It's a very peculiar situation.

1028
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:16,119
It's not like he's taken you know what what I

1029
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:17,559
was saying boxing, you know.

1030
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 4: A belting or anything.

1031
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,679
Speaker 3: He's not had a good he's not been hurt badly

1032
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,159
in any fight. And he has got a good chin.

1033
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,280
I mean, she must have caught him with a good

1034
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:28,960
I would say, good fifteen jab for fifteen right hands

1035
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,239
in the first couple of rounds, which is which I

1036
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,519
didn't like by the way they absorbed them. And he

1037
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,519
gritted his safe and come through. So you know, he's

1038
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,079
grown up now and uh, and he's on a high

1039
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,320
and he's got and he's got a lot of confidence,

1040
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,519
and he don't brow his confidences.

1041
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: He looked that way, and I don't make a lot

1042
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,360
of the body language when a guy's coming into the ring,

1043
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,400
but it was very noticeable watching the broadcast did he

1044
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,920
didn't look like he had a care in the world

1045
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,800
coming to the ring, Like no nerves, just cool and poised,

1046
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,440
like he's just going out for a nice launch, win

1047
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,159
his pals or something like that. And then you know,

1048
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,639
in that kind of atmosphere ninety something that ninety eight

1049
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,119
thousand people you know, hit the home stadium, you know,

1050
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,360
mostly Anthony Joshua fans, although I'm sure because he's also British,

1051
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,559
there was definitely were You're right, so can you just

1052
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:18,679
speak to like the atmosphere of that night and how

1053
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:19,800
he handled that spotlight.

1054
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: We again, when we made the fight, the fight was

1055
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,360
made that the winner of Ergovich and Daniel would would

1056
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,519
fight Joshua and just's the attraction. He's the more well

1057
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,400
known fighter out of them all, and it was just

1058
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,639
in the part of the deal was and I wanted

1059
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:38,320
the fight, so I believe he'd beat both of them.

1060
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:41,239
It was that the winner would have sort of the

1061
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,320
winner of that fight would ring Walk would be first,

1062
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,440
even though he know it's for the interest. It then

1063
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,280
became for the interim title, and then it was upgraded

1064
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,480
after usik vacation titled to a four I vs. So

1065
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,920
he walks in as the world champion second. But he

1066
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:01,760
was focused, you know, he was on it, as you

1067
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,320
quite rightly say. And the crowd, the majority of the crowd,

1068
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,679
I would say probably you know, ninety percent of the

1069
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,679
crowd were behind a j because let's get it right

1070
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,400
for the Brits. He was a gold Medacry, Olympics, two

1071
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,199
time world champions.

1072
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 2: He's a superstar. That's the bottom moment.

1073
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's not.

1074
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,599
Speaker 3: He's not just a boxing a champion. He's a sports

1075
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:23,239
star over it. You know, he's crossed over to the

1076
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,599
general public. And but I said they'll cheer him going in,

1077
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,519
but I promise you to cheer cheer Daniel going out

1078
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,159
because I know the performance he are put in and

1079
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:35,920
that's exactly what happened with him.

1080
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,639
Speaker 2: If you do a rematch, is they're going to be

1081
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,800
Dubir Joshua and Jubai walk second.

1082
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 3: This time he's the champion, He's he's the boss. Now,

1083
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:44,320
don't worry.

1084
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 4: I mean I've got to say, if he was, you know, if.

1085
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: He was to fight the winner of Tyson and Alexandra,

1086
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,920
of them, obviously they're they've got the three.

1087
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: One of the round the three belt.

1088
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: You know, that is what it is, and that's the

1089
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,320
courtesy of it all. But look, at the end of day,

1090
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,519
it was about having getting your getting the fight, getting

1091
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:07,599
that opportunity and showing what he was all about and

1092
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,119
him demonstrating as I say that, you know, he deserved

1093
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,159
to be there, and he's certainly done it in Stahle.

1094
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,320
He done it in better stolen authority with that was

1095
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:15,719
for sure.

1096
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: Well, the one thing I counted about Frank is when

1097
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:20,599
he beat Josh of the way he did. He beat

1098
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:23,840
him way easier and way more decisively, frankly than Alexander

1099
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,880
Russik did in two fights.

1100
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,679
Speaker 3: Without a doubt, I mean, without a doubt, he absolutely

1101
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,000
done a job on him. I mean he destroyed him.

1102
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,599
He absolutely destroyed him. There was you know that was

1103
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,079
he just you know, as I say, he showed these

1104
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,960
boxing how good he is in boxing. And what impressed

1105
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,599
me in that fight was the head movement, because that

1106
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,679
was lacking in the Hergovic fight.

1107
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,639
Speaker 2: Well, you've mentioned a few times about the upcoming fight

1108
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,800
December twenty first that you know, you're obviously heavily involved

1109
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,400
with that will take place in read the rematch between

1110
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,639
Alexander Russik and Tyson Fury for the belts that Usak

1111
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,239
has And I'm curious if you could just just give

1112
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,440
me your take on I know, you know, I saw

1113
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:05,719
Tyson was at the fight between Joshua and Dubi. Anything

1114
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,960
that that that's interesting or notable about his preparation for

1115
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,159
this fight as he goes in to a rematch coming

1116
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:12,920
off of what was the first defeat of his career.

1117
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,039
Speaker 3: Well, he'd be going to camp next month ocs Tiber,

1118
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,800
which she's probably a bit about the second week of October.

1119
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,519
He's he's in a very good frame of mind, good condition.

1120
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,159
And I think this the fight between Musik and Tyson's

1121
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:35,760
who what who did it take the most out of

1122
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,800
because it was quite a grueling fight for both of them.

1123
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,199
I mean I went to the break dressing room arf

1124
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,719
was to contract congratulate Usik, and I'll tell you what

1125
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:48,679
you know, you knew he knew and I certainly knew

1126
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:52,039
looking and he'd been in a fight and certainly with Tyson.

1127
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,800
You see that ninth round, I mean, it was quite

1128
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,920
a devastating ninth round, but he manages to keep himself

1129
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,960
up with it. Probably would the help of his heart

1130
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,199
on the ropes that he did do and came through

1131
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,679
and came through a very tough time to win. He

1132
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,079
certainly won the last round, but.

1133
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,079
Speaker 4: It was a fight of two halves.

1134
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,199
Speaker 3: And for coming away from that fight and having spoken

1135
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,599
with him, it's how he.

1136
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 4: How can I put it? You know, if he can.

1137
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,679
Speaker 3: Do which I believe he can do what he did

1138
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,679
in the first half of the fight, because going into

1139
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,679
that it was the eighth round, it was Jake frown.

1140
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,000
Going into the eighth round. Seventh round, Tyson caught him

1141
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,000
with a really good upper cut and his legs went.

1142
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:39,519
I mean, and everybody around me all said the same thing.

1143
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:41,760
Is stopped him in the next round. But he came

1144
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,760
out was sick, and I mean, he came out like

1145
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:48,400
a great hand coming out of traps, and he caught him.

1146
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,920
He caught Tyson with a shot on it. It's like

1147
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,440
on the tip of his nose. And for some reason

1148
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,719
Tyson lost all his composure of everything. And if you

1149
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,000
watch the fight back, he keeps touching his nose and

1150
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,280
the top of his head. And he told me afterwards

1151
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,239
when we talked about he said, for some reason he

1152
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,960
had he caught me.

1153
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:07,559
Speaker 4: It was like a shot that hit.

1154
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 3: Him on the nose. He said that the pain was

1155
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:12,119
very strange, that it shot up into his into his

1156
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,920
forehead and that and it just didn't look comfortable. And

1157
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,239
then obviously had that terrible round in the ninth round

1158
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,440
and managed to get through it. So it's a fight

1159
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,480
at two hours at the end of the day.

1160
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,519
Speaker 4: And as I say, for me, I feel Tyson as

1161
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:26,320
the I mean.

1162
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: They're both both got great boxing brains, they go both

1163
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,639
got massive hearts, as can Tyson do what? Can Tyson

1164
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,559
do what he did in the early part of the

1165
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:40,159
final fight and sustain that? And I believe he can

1166
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:41,400
do it, and I do think.

1167
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: He'll be well. I know a lot of people are

1168
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,760
very much looking forward to the rematch given how outstanding

1169
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,360
the first fight was, and I wonder, I mean, we've

1170
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,719
seen the types of shows that that you and the

1171
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,239
Saudi's and the Turkey al Chic and everybody involved in

1172
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,239
these big events have put on these these wildly deep,

1173
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,639
excellent undercards. Nothing specific that is there other and they've said

1174
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:03,880
that the junior middleweight s Boachup will be on this undercard.

1175
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,639
But I gotta figure if you're doing another big heavyweight

1176
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,280
championship fight, knowing all the heavyweights you rattled off earlier,

1177
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:11,639
there's got to be some other heavyweight actions going to

1178
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:14,119
be on this card, whether it's Zang or you know,

1179
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,960
Joseph Parker in a fighter or whoever. Can you shed

1180
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,679
any light on what we may see on this undercard.

1181
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:20,840
I know a lot of people are instead of one

1182
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,199
of their maybe fights will be on that show, particularly

1183
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:24,679
if they're heavyweight fights involved.

1184
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 3: There's gonna be heavy there be heavyweight fights, and there'll

1185
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,960
be another Red Season early in the new year as well.

1186
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:35,639
So that we've been working on those cards, there's still

1187
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:40,320
some things to be done. And you know, sat down

1188
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,639
with with with ag And and he's actually he left

1189
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,360
he left the UK last night. We've had had some

1190
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,119
quite serious meetings and good meetings regarding the fights that

1191
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:57,719
we're putting together. So you're going to see all the

1192
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:04,079
heavyweights and yet you know you've got a cab be out,

1193
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,639
You've got Babe Miller or be back in action, I mean,

1194
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,440
all of them. You know, all these guys are going

1195
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,360
to be fighting in various fights, so six sights in

1196
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,280
times once and once we're in a position that can

1197
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,119
be announced, I think everybody's going to be over the

1198
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:18,480
moon with it.

1199
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:20,519
Speaker 2: So you're talking about this would be either for either

1200
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:22,519
for December twenty first or for their first card in

1201
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:25,119
the next year. You know early well, there'd be.

1202
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: Be spread across the two dates. There'll be a big,

1203
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,039
fabulous undercard for the twenty first, and there'd be a

1204
00:56:33,039 --> 00:56:35,880
great undercard for the show earlier in the new year.

1205
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:39,159
And they will be there will be quite always, I

1206
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:39,800
mean on these.

1207
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: Shows have been quality all the way from Yeah, for sure.

1208
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: And Eddie and I would probably do another another Queensburry

1209
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,360
b Matroom show.

1210
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:51,559
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because that was

1211
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,440
the next topic I wanted to ask you. With Daniel

1212
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,480
dubir H not only defeating Joshua but really knocking him out,

1213
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:01,840
basically called you just can't lose. Your guys can't lose

1214
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,679
against the Mattrium guys. I mean, I don't know the

1215
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,320
exact number, but you won all five of the fights

1216
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,199
in the five v five You won the fight between

1217
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,480
you know, your side won the fight between Josh Wind.

1218
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,280
I'm sure there's some other fights. I'm not thinking about.

1219
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,559
How how many fights in a row has Queensberry fighters

1220
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,880
defeated Mattrium fighters and you know the number off the

1221
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,519
top of your head.

1222
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: Well, we've gone fairly well. I mean Nick Bull, Nick

1223
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:28,360
Ca Catchy beat.

1224
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: Cardina, that's true. I forgot about that one.

1225
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:36,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Nick Bull came through. We've done and Ca

1226
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,280
Catchy one again against Josh Warrenton on the last show,

1227
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,760
so we you know, we've done. Okay, we've got We've

1228
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,920
got a couple of good fights coming up on their

1229
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,800
show on October and twelve. Got the first women's title

1230
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,280
fights ever take place in the in the Kingdom, so

1231
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,760
that's going to be interesting. It's quite historic as well

1232
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,400
as far as women's pops is concerned. And it's one

1233
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,000
of the basically Raven Chapman against the guy that the

1234
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:06,039
Australian girls. So that's actually a good fight, yes kind of.

1235
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:08,719
That's actually a very very good fight. So there's some

1236
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,719
good fights there and it's been you know, I would

1237
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,320
say it's been We're delighted with the results, but they

1238
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,880
have been meaningful fights, all of them. They've been really

1239
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,239
good quality fights and it's been a bit of an

1240
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:23,599
eye opener to be honest, working with working with Matra

1241
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,480
and Eddie, because you know, we're all working hard to

1242
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:27,599
make this thing a success.

1243
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: But you gotta love kicking his asny fights, don't you.

1244
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,840
I mean, you know you you're your compender. You guys

1245
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,960
are better than business as well as your guys in

1246
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:34,239
the ring.

1247
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,039
Speaker 3: Well, I always want my guys to win. And you know,

1248
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:39,960
they'll say when we made the fight B five, it

1249
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,840
wasn't about you know, their five against the five. It

1250
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,199
was about when we picked the wakes, picking a guy

1251
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,639
for each of the wakes to win the fights, and

1252
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:51,639
we were I was asked before the fight had what

1253
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:53,639
was our best chance of winning? And I said at

1254
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:56,679
the time, I think all my guys can win each

1255
00:58:56,679 --> 00:58:58,920
of their fights. We've we've picked a team to win

1256
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,800
each fight. And you know, Hans of Sharans Schirez, who's

1257
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,480
come through a good game, won a game on Saturday.

1258
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,760
I mean, he's he's becoming becoming.

1259
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:12,039
Speaker 2: Quite at him. Definitely, he's going to ask you about

1260
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:16,360
him before I get the Saraso. Frank, you gotta love

1261
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,239
kind of maybe I don't know, maybe occasionally rub it

1262
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:20,960
into Eddi a little bit because he talks so much shit,

1263
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,400
let's be honest, much more ship than you talked about that.

1264
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 4: Well, we have a bit of fun.

1265
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,679
Speaker 3: We have a bit of fun between us, and it's

1266
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,360
got yeah, it's it's it's big. It's been good and he's,

1267
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:33,840
you know, to be honest, he's he's he's he's been quite.

1268
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,880
He's taking it well. And look, it's I just like

1269
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,079
what's going on in boxing atment. It's taken a long

1270
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:45,079
time for something like this to happen, and it's it's

1271
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:48,559
just great for everybody involved. Of course, we're all professionals

1272
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,800
and we're in it to make money, but you know,

1273
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,480
we actually do it. Do love the sport like yourself

1274
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:58,159
as well, and and more importantly, the fighters are earning

1275
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,039
tremendous pursy from this risk and he's revitalized the sport

1276
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,960
in a big, big, big way, certainly in the UK.

1277
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,320
And I hope that show they did that in the

1278
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,280
Red season show they did in in la That was

1279
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:13,800
that was.

1280
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: A that was a really good cut. I was at

1281
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,719
that card and that was great. I loved that. I mean, listen,

1282
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,159
it's one thing from to do the big events in

1283
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,719
Saudi Arabia, and I get that, but it would be

1284
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,920
wonderful if they can. You know, they'll do their fair

1285
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,159
share of shows there, but if they can at least

1286
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:29,199
do some regular shows here in America, do some regular

1287
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,000
shows in the UK, that would be I think even better.

1288
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:34,119
You think they'll come back to America, come back to

1289
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:34,519
the UK.

1290
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they've had a great response to it,

1291
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:40,280
and I'm sure down the road that that happened. At

1292
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,559
the moment that you know, up until the end of

1293
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,519
Read Season, it's going to be all about read for

1294
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,760
obvious reasons, because that's that's that's how this all came about.

1295
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:54,639
I mean Read Season. The Read Seasons is a multicultural event.

1296
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,920
Is from it's much just about boxing. It's about all

1297
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,400
different sports. I mean they have tennis to that's on.

1298
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:07,280
They have equestrians riding UFC, various vario saball soccer and

1299
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:12,639
and also music, dance, poetry from not just from Western Europe,

1300
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,079
the west of the Western world, also from the Far

1301
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,400
East to the Middle East. It's a multi cultural event

1302
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:20,840
and it's the good thing about it is His excellency

1303
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,440
is a complete boxing junkie, a boxing nut, and he's

1304
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,239
made this a major part of the season. So you know,

1305
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,159
it's been fabulous. So the next runner show we'll be

1306
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:36,440
in Readonema. We'll see what happens after that, you know,

1307
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:40,559
and they want to move forward in dose shows around

1308
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,280
the rest of the world. But it's it's just been.

1309
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,760
It's been phenomenal. It's been a phenomenal situation, and it's

1310
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,960
been quite an eye open and as I say, everybody, everybody,

1311
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,760
but everybody's been working together on this and that's that's

1312
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:54,920
refreshing to see.

1313
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Hamsu Sharaza. You mentioned,

1314
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,400
I mean, he looked absolutely phenomenal. He blew away Tyler

1315
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,599
Denny to win the European title only two rounds to

1316
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:05,719
get rid of him. That was on the undercard of

1317
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,880
Daniel Dubois against Anthony Joshua. Before that, you mentioned the

1318
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,599
five v five. He had a very very impressive eleventh

1319
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:16,960
round knockout against Austin M. L Williams in a fight

1320
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,559
where I think a lot of people weren't really sure,

1321
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:19,880
you know, because that was sort of like an even

1322
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,679
fight on paper. It seemed to me he gets to win.

1323
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,039
And now you know, he seems to be like near

1324
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:29,079
the top of a middleweight division that you know, understandably

1325
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:30,840
at this moment in time is you know, it's not

1326
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,800
making anybody remember the days of Marvin Hagler even Bernard Hopkins.

1327
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,480
But he seems like a guy that can go an

1328
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,239
off the long way. Where do you see him going

1329
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:40,000
in his next you know, a couple of fights as

1330
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,760
it on toy potential world championship opportunity. You got a

1331
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,760
unified champion in Jannebec who's got a defense coming up.

1332
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,519
You got Carlos A. Damas who's with PBC. You got

1333
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:52,719
Arizoni Laar who just recently defended his title. What do

1334
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,480
you think for Hamsa down the road in the next

1335
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:55,199
fight or two.

1336
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: I think's next plot will be for wild Tossle.

1337
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 4: Look, he's a young man and that fight.

1338
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: That fight against Samo was quite interesting your clips a

1339
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,000
couple of times in that fight he dealt with it

1340
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,000
well and came back and did what he had to do.

1341
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,760
But he's an extremely, extremely good fighter, and he's not

1342
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,239
he didn't come into the boxing with a massive amateur

1343
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,039
pedivere as such that he's done it. He's done it

1344
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:21,800
the hard way. You know, we had every faith in

1345
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,360
him and kind of guided him through to where he's

1346
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,920
at and there and he's he's obviously done the business

1347
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,800
in the ring, but I generally feel that he'll be

1348
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,360
I think he'll be around for a long time and

1349
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:34,760
it get better and better.

1350
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:35,599
Speaker 1: He is.

1351
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: He does remind me of Tommy. I know we're speaking

1352
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,159
of Tommy os who one of our certainly one of

1353
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:43,679
my heroes in boxing. But he's got that sort of

1354
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,159
look of him that rangy long.

1355
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:48,079
Speaker 4: No, he's very loose.

1356
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: Lind got a long jab and quite tall and for

1357
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,840
a big you know, for one of those sort of

1358
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,519
mostly tall guys, they they sort of keep it long

1359
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,599
for him. When he gets inside, it gets real app

1360
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:04,480
So Tommy used to do it, and it's you know,

1361
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:08,400
he's an exciting flights. He'll be in the exciting flights

1362
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,679
and I'm hoping to say bloody end of the year,

1363
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:12,840
he'll be fighting one of these girls guys for the

1364
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:13,480
world title.

1365
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,719
Speaker 2: So you mentioned you brought him along from the beginning.

1366
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,000
Another guy that you've had I think his entire career.

1367
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:20,199
I'm not mistaking his nick Ball, who you mentioned earlier,

1368
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:23,760
is now got the WBA featherweight title. I want to

1369
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,079
ask you a little bit about him because he has

1370
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:27,519
a fight coming up against the veteran Ronnie Rios, who's

1371
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,400
challenged for world titles in the past. Always given a

1372
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,920
good effort when he's been in the ring, even if

1373
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,440
he hasn't won the fight. He fights November the fifth

1374
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,079
in that fight against Ronnie Rios, and just tell me

1375
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:40,119
your thoughts. I know, you know you thought that he

1376
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:42,000
he got the draw against ray Vargas. You thought he

1377
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:43,320
won the fight. A lot of people thought he won

1378
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,159
the fight. He looked absolutely tremendous in an excellent fight

1379
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,039
when he took the title off of ray Ford in

1380
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,440
June in one of the five on five wins. What's

1381
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:53,199
what's the ceiling for Nick Ball? Because to me, he's

1382
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:54,679
one of the most exciting fighters in boxing.

1383
01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,159
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with it. I mean he's just like

1384
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:02,679
a dynamo. I mean everything is all action.

1385
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 4: You know, you think he.

1386
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,639
Speaker 3: Was Mexican rather than British the way he fights. He

1387
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,199
just walks forward, he's just lets his shots go. He's exciting.

1388
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,800
He's hurtful, but he's but he's also a good box

1389
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,639
and he's quite hard to hit. He's quite. He's not

1390
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:20,320
a very tall, not very tall fighter, but he you know,

1391
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,599
he's got very good defense. And I thought, I mean

1392
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,679
that that first title fight that he had against Vargas,

1393
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,400
I thought he won that and I thought as a

1394
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,119
bad decision certain from one of the judges score him

1395
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:35,000
as atrocious and the and obviously he won the next one.

1396
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,360
He should really be the two times to to a

1397
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,880
belt or two time world champion. I feel, you know,

1398
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:46,599
he's got the homecoming fight and neverpol tickets have gone

1399
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,280
extremely well. That's going to be a good night on

1400
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,480
the fifth, that's next Saturday, the fight takes place.

1401
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:54,719
Speaker 4: He's fight and that's going to have been.

1402
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 3: Very, very exciting. It's gonna be a great night. We've

1403
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,760
got some really good young fighters from that area and

1404
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,960
all west of in the UK up in Liverpool and

1405
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,199
Andrew Kanes on there, a young Cuban on there, and

1406
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,320
it's going to be a fabulous fabb this night. We've got,

1407
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:11,760
I mean, we're blessed with talent. We made a big

1408
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,599
decision as regarding what we've been doing in the last

1409
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,239
sort of six years, and that was, you know, to

1410
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,719
focus on British talent. That we've done that and we've

1411
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,480
done it in Stalin, and I think we've got probably

1412
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:28,280
the best group of young fighters now, certainly in Europe,

1413
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:33,440
maybe in America as the amount of them, and we

1414
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,000
will be promoting shows America next year. We're coming to

1415
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:37,280
the States to do some shows.

1416
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,599
Speaker 2: Well, I'm only disappointed unless you tell me otherwise. I

1417
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:42,199
don't think that that fight between Nick Ball and Ronny

1418
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:45,039
Rios is on any American outlet unless you tell me otherwise.

1419
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,239
Speaker 3: I'll have to check that without guys. I mean, I

1420
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,119
hope he is, or someone's going to be in trouble.

1421
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,239
Speaker 2: Well, if you need anybody's number, a top rank to

1422
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,159
get it on ESPN Plus, let me know. But you

1423
01:06:57,199 --> 01:06:58,960
mentioned about the American talent this. I want to wrap

1424
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:00,719
up with this because I think this is very interesting.

1425
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,920
You mentioned about your talent base. You have obviously a

1426
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:07,280
vast amount of quality in your stable of fighters from

1427
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:10,880
Europe and the UK, but recently you started to kind

1428
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,679
of quietly, if it seems to me, signing some non Brits,

1429
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,000
including a couple of Americans. You've never really been a

1430
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:19,480
guy to sign Americans. You signed the one hundred and

1431
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,000
forty pound unbeaten contender Brandon Lee, who's I think right

1432
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,800
on the verge of fighting for a world title. You

1433
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,239
signed the excellent amateur who's only I think had one

1434
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:28,679
fight when you signed in now he's two to ozer.

1435
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,119
You signed the super middleweight Nathan Lugo, and then recently

1436
01:07:32,119 --> 01:07:34,760
you signed again not an American, but the Ukrainian heavyweight

1437
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,119
who's now based out I guess in the United States,

1438
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:42,440
six foot four, two hundred and fifty pounds, Vladislav Sirenko,

1439
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,800
who's twenty one to oh with eighteen knockouts. I'm wondering

1440
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,840
from your perspective, I mean, since most of the shows

1441
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,400
you do are UK based, even with the fights you're

1442
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,440
doing with the folks in read, what was the sort

1443
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,280
of the reason to go and pursue non Brits, non Europeans,

1444
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,440
bringing you the American fighters to your stable.

1445
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: Well, our son, George is the city's the CEO of

1446
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,960
the business, and you know the viewer is we've done.

1447
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,800
We've done what we've done in the UK and we're

1448
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,639
no have an extend America. You know, I came out

1449
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:15,039
to I've done quite a few shows in America years

1450
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:18,239
ago when we when we did with Jay Lark in

1451
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:22,119
the late Jay Lark did the show, the show Box series.

1452
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:27,840
We've worked with certainly with we've show Time, you know,

1453
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,399
very close to all that, a lot of British fighters

1454
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,520
and in fact, I remember Barrera. We've you know, we

1455
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,640
signed Antonio Barrera, he won the world titles. We've done

1456
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,720
Johnny Johnny Tapia. We did a show back up and

1457
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:45,960
down in Texas with him. So we've you know, we've

1458
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,520
we look revisit and all that now.

1459
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,039
Speaker 2: So that's that's like twenty that's like twenty twenty five

1460
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:50,960
years ago. It's been a while.

1461
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 3: As the point, yeah, absolutely, as you know, because we

1462
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,159
we we we we you know, we've we've changed the

1463
01:08:58,159 --> 01:08:59,319
direction we was going in.

1464
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,119
Speaker 4: But that's what we're doing there.

1465
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:03,319
Speaker 3: So we signed these guys and these guys will be

1466
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,520
on Queens reshows in the US.

1467
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,399
Speaker 2: Do you have an idea of when you'll do your

1468
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,680
first American show and that's sort of where you'll do it.

1469
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 3: I'm not sure yet, but it'll probably be in the spring.

1470
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: I'll look forward to that. I mean, I've I've followed

1471
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,359
Brandon Lee pretty much since he turned pro and uh,

1472
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,479
you know I was there. You know, Nathan had his

1473
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,359
h his second fight, you know, you were there also

1474
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:26,880
the fight that he had on the Santa Monic up

1475
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,279
here a few nights before the Terence Crawford Madromov card

1476
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,319
that was the read season card in Los Angeles. He

1477
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:34,359
looked good in that fight. So I'm looking forward to seeing.

1478
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,439
H what you're gonna do with these guys? Is the

1479
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,640
plan now to maybe sign a few more Americans if

1480
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,520
it's guys that you think have the talent.

1481
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean we don't want to overload it.

1482
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:46,520
So if we want to, you know, what we want

1483
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:46,920
to do is.

1484
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 4: Be able to know if we sign them and make

1485
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:49,239
sure that we.

1486
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:52,039
Speaker 3: Can service the contracts and give them the right files.

1487
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:55,039
I bet it's not that once of quantity. It's about

1488
01:09:55,119 --> 01:09:57,800
quality and that's that's where we're at. And you know,

1489
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,119
and I also want to do with some of that

1490
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:02,640
SARTs bring over there. Let the American sim you know,

1491
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:08,000
we've got fans other some France has manages fighters. He's

1492
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:14,279
got Moses A. Tuma, who's an unbelievable teenage heavyweight project.

1493
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,079
Yeah yeah, I mean this kid is unbelievable. I mean

1494
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:22,840
he's very exciting. And then we've you know, he's got

1495
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,680
he's got quite a few other fighters. Sat Young SAMs

1496
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,760
is a good fighter. So we've got quite you know,

1497
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,960
we've got quite a good group of fighters that I

1498
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:32,880
feel that we can bring out there. They're excited. I'd

1499
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,119
like to see Nick Bull make his debut there as well.

1500
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,119
You know, He's They're guys that I know that you know,

1501
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,479
boxing fans will take to because they're exciting.

1502
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 2: I'd have to think of if you're going to do

1503
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,000
shows in America, you're going to need some kind of

1504
01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:46,479
outlet in terms of for a broadcast in America. I mean,

1505
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,000
I know you've done shows in conjunction with Top Rank.

1506
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:52,199
They've put some of your events, even if they weren't involved,

1507
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:56,640
to work with you to bring the fight into ESPN Plus.

1508
01:10:57,399 --> 01:10:59,560
Are you is there some kind of broadcast deal brewing

1509
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:03,199
for Queensbarry's shows in America or to have a deal

1510
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,720
where we know we can see your shows regularly in

1511
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,720
the United States.

1512
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, we're talking a moment for a couple of outlets,

1513
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:13,359
and I think I hope by the end of the

1514
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,159
year would be in a physician to announce who it's

1515
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,039
going to be with and then we can go from now.

1516
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 2: Well look forward to it and don't worry. You can

1517
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,079
always you always call me and drop the news. Frank,

1518
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:24,199
we will do it.

1519
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:26,239
Speaker 3: But we'll definitely be doing it, Dan, I mean that

1520
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:27,720
that is going to happen.

1521
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 2: There you go. I look forward to that. Frank has

1522
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,399
been very informative interview, very covered a lot of topics.

1523
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,399
I appreciate your time very much. Thank you so much,

1524
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,319
and good luck with what's coming up in your big

1525
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:41,479
shows with Nick Ball coming up next week with obviously

1526
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,520
what's going to go down in Rea December twenty first,

1527
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,119
thank you very much for your time.

1528
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it and look forward to seeing

1529
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,319
you in the spring. It's not before.

1530
01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 1: Excellent get there with mister Frank Warren and gave us

1531
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,479
a lot, including the intriguing stuff about trying to do

1532
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,760
events here in the United States of course, the partnership

1533
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,760
with top Rank and with Bob Aram, etc. And Tyson

1534
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,319
Fury fought here Before my final wrap up thoughts on

1535
01:12:10,399 --> 01:12:11,560
having talked to Frank Warren.

1536
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 2: Listen, it was interesting to hear his perspective on Dania

1537
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,960
Dubois in that entire event and his future in the

1538
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,239
fact of that he basically was the one guy that

1539
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:22,439
never gave up on him after taking the loss to Joyce,

1540
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:26,239
and the loss too was a very rough loss that

1541
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:28,279
he had taken. Besides that, when he got knocked up

1542
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:31,119
by Alexander Russik and all the controversy around that, He's

1543
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:33,279
not really so much in a partnership with Top Rank.

1544
01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:37,680
They do co promote Tyson Fury together. But the interesting

1545
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,920
thing is they're planning to come and doing events in America,

1546
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,960
not necessarily with Top Ranks. He's gonna do their They're

1547
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,319
gonna do events on their own. They don't have a

1548
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,680
broadcaster specifically in America. I think that's part of it.

1549
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,520
You heard me ask him a little bit about that.

1550
01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:49,840
But what I found from the American point of view

1551
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:54,279
is Frank is now signing American fighters, including Brandon Lee

1552
01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:57,279
for example. He also is starting to sign some non

1553
01:12:57,319 --> 01:12:59,640
Brits that are not Americans. He signed like, you know,

1554
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:03,199
big time European heavyweight and all that. So they're making

1555
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:05,800
moves beyond just their their typical bread and butter, which

1556
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,159
is so I was in the UK. Obviously, they're heavily

1557
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,520
involved with Read Season. Frank is the main promoter for

1558
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,199
all of the read Season cards, and so you know

1559
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:16,800
he is a force to be reckoned with right now

1560
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,680
when the sport of boxing. He has been for decades,

1561
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,920
as you know, and now it's even more so because

1562
01:13:22,079 --> 01:13:25,039
especially in the heavyweight division, because they promote a lot

1563
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:26,600
of guys in the heavyweight division, not just Daniel de

1564
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,880
wob but they're the promoter for Joyce and for Zilly Zang,

1565
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,039
and they are heavily involved with Joseph Parker and I mean,

1566
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:36,840
you name it, they got a lot of guys. I'd

1567
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,720
actually have to give Frank a little bit of props

1568
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,640
because I gave him every opportunity, every possibility to just

1569
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,039
rip on Eddie Hearn for the way that his Queensberry

1570
01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:46,680
fighters have just pummeled the Matchrom fighters in these the

1571
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,800
head fights, especially in the five line five, and you

1572
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,720
know he kind of resisted that. So props to him

1573
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:51,800
for taking the high road.

1574
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,199
Speaker 1: Love all that again, an excellent job, and we appreciate

1575
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:58,880
the Queensburry folks making him available and making that happen,

1576
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,479
making the magic here on pod two pieces.

1577
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:03,239
Speaker 2: Of this time, we just say this, that was Rafael

1578
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:04,680
fucking badgerom.

1579
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:07,239
Speaker 1: But they also found him for you and we made

1580
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:09,439
it happen. We made it happen for you peeps. So

1581
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,119
once again Radius in Reviews if you enjoy hearing this

1582
01:14:12,199 --> 01:14:15,840
kind of stuff and the quality of the conversations and

1583
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:20,199
the entertainment, et cetera. Nostalgia time. As we released this

1584
01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:23,600
pod September twenty ninth, two thousand and one, twenty three

1585
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:28,119
years ago on Sunday, as we released this into Monday,

1586
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:31,840
but Sunday is the twenty third anniversary of Bernard Hopkins

1587
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:36,439
beating Felix Trinidad by a knockout to win or to

1588
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,159
become the undisputed middleweight champion. Madison Square Garden the site,

1589
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:43,920
and obviously, if you know anything about September in two

1590
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,439
thousand and one and New York, this is just a

1591
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,159
couple of weeks after the horror of nine to eleven

1592
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,439
and the terrorist attacks and the deaths in the World

1593
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,960
Trade Center in New York City. You were there, and

1594
01:14:57,079 --> 01:15:00,000
you have on this rundown one of the most memory

1595
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:02,600
nights of your career to be there for all of

1596
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,720
those reasons that I just laid out. Tell me more.

1597
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: I mean, there have been so many big fights I

1598
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,760
have covered, and this would have probably been a memorable

1599
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,960
fight even had nine to eleven not occurred, obviously, But

1600
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,720
when you take all of that that had been going

1601
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,439
on in a couple of weeks prior to this fight,

1602
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,600
and then all the drama of Hopkins leaving New York

1603
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,760
to go home to Philadelphia, but Trinidad and Don King

1604
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,560
staying in New York and you know, going to visit

1605
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,840
the first responders to sort of help, you know, perk

1606
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,000
them up a little bit, and being around all that,

1607
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,279
you know, terrible tragedy, and then the fight getting rescheduled.

1608
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:36,960
You know, remember you got to remember, nobody knew when

1609
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,720
this fight was going to actually be rescheduled. The fight

1610
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,600
was scheduled to take place on September fifteenth. My credential

1611
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,119
that I still have still says no September fifteenth. They

1612
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:50,000
didn't change the credentials. The poster still says September fifteenth.

1613
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,800
The program still says September fifteenth. I think the tickets

1614
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,800
were changed, at least some of them anyway. But the

1615
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,159
point is it was almost like you're stuck in time.

1616
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,119
You know, supposed to be on that date. As a

1617
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:03,399
matter of fact, I was supposed to travel to New

1618
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,960
York for this fight on September twelfth. Obviously, I didn't

1619
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,119
go because if I was postponed, we were you know,

1620
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,359
I was working at USA Today at the time, and

1621
01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:13,760
you know I had written stories about you know, this

1622
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,840
was the biggest boxing event that was happening that was

1623
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,479
postponed as where so you know, all sports basically in

1624
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,880
the entire country were shut down, and you just didn't

1625
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,960
know when it was gonna when it was gonna be rescheduled.

1626
01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:26,960
And listen, the memories I have of this are not

1627
01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:28,760
just about to fight and go into the arena. It

1628
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,439
was just things like going to New York when it

1629
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,920
was rescheduled to cover the fight. And when I traveled

1630
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,439
to New York City for events, I take the Amtrak.

1631
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,840
I take the train from Washington, DC to New York City,

1632
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:42,199
and we get off the train in New York City.

1633
01:16:42,199 --> 01:16:45,119
You're in Penn Station, which is right underneath Madison Square Garden.

1634
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:48,239
Typically the official fight hotel is one of those handful

1635
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,680
of hotels that's right there when you walk out of

1636
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,359
Penn Station. And so my memory and I will have

1637
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,479
it in blate. It just entrenched my memory from now

1638
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,000
until the day I die. Number one, you could still

1639
01:17:01,079 --> 01:17:03,640
smell the burning. I mean, you know, we're at We're

1640
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,079
at seventh Avenue, uh, you know, thirty first, thirty second

1641
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:09,920
street whatever where Penn Station is. You know, the World

1642
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,720
Trade Center site is obviously many many blocks down further downtown,

1643
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:18,760
but you know, you could just smell it in the air.

1644
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,680
I can't even explain it, but you knew.

1645
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,399
Speaker 1: And and a half weeks later, yes.

1646
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so now you walk into the Penn Station

1647
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:29,520
where I'd been a million times, which is filled with

1648
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,760
you know, uh, fast food joints and little shops and

1649
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,800
and this and that and and and but on the

1650
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,399
walls as you walk out to go to the escalator,

1651
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,800
to go up to the to the to the tree level,

1652
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:46,199
and again I'll never forget this, every single wall is

1653
01:17:46,279 --> 01:17:49,520
covered with the like eight and a half by eleven

1654
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,399
sheets of paper of people posting about their missing loved

1655
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,960
one who obviously had been killed in the World Trade Center,

1656
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,560
but there was like three thousand people that died there.

1657
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:05,079
And so the wall is covered with these leaflets for

1658
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:06,640
as long as the eye could see. And even on

1659
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,920
the streets and the you know, the telephone boosts which

1660
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:11,880
still existed back then, and this and that. You just

1661
01:18:12,119 --> 01:18:14,039
they were everywhere. And so I'd say I can never

1662
01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:17,000
shake that memory of all those signs of people looking

1663
01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:20,600
for you know, their their husband, their brother, their sister,

1664
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,479
their friend, whatever. And then when the fight came about.

1665
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,560
Remember it was the first sporting event to take place

1666
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,359
and I don't know if it was in the whole country,

1667
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:30,000
but certainly in New York City of any kind of

1668
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:36,239
consequence since since the nine to eleven had occurred, and

1669
01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:39,600
nobody knew how to react. Big crowd. Everybody's pumped up

1670
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,079
for this fight. This was the culmination of the four

1671
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:44,920
person middleway championship series that was meant to crown the

1672
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,079
undisputed title that Don King and HBO and the Garden

1673
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:51,319
put together. The backtrack, you had had Felix Trinidad, Bernard Hopkins,

1674
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:53,319
Keith Holmes, and William Joppy were all in there. You

1675
01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:56,640
had Hopkins, Jopping, Holmes who had the three major middleweight belts.

1676
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,920
Trinidad was the one hundred and fifty four pound unified

1677
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,880
champ who was coming up in weight and this tournament

1678
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,920
was really a vehicle for Felix Trinidad's star power. He

1679
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:07,640
was the linchpin of this entire thing. They were talking

1680
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,479
about how He's gonna win this undisputed ten and then

1681
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,000
move up to light heavyweight and challenge Roy Jones. Remember

1682
01:19:12,039 --> 01:19:16,199
that now. Bernard Hopkins and Keith Holmes opened the tournament

1683
01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:19,239
in April of two thousand and Bernard Hopkins wins a

1684
01:19:19,279 --> 01:19:22,439
lopsided decision at the Madison Square Guard Theater to unify

1685
01:19:23,079 --> 01:19:26,319
the WBC and the IBF titles. And then a few

1686
01:19:26,319 --> 01:19:29,600
weeks later, Felix Trinidad, in the extraordinarily memorable night in

1687
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,760
the main arena of Madison Square Garden laid a fucking

1688
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,800
beat down and knocked out William Joppy to become a

1689
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,960
champion in the middleway division to win the WBA title.

1690
01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:39,600
And now the final set for September between Felix Trinidad

1691
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,479
and Bernard Hopkins. This is a huge suck, is a

1692
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:46,920
big big deal, a major, major, major situation. And then

1693
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,039
it got postponed as I said, And now the fight's happening,

1694
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:52,079
and Felix Trinad, you know, I know that in the end,

1695
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:55,000
Bernard Hopkins, you know, put him away. But Philix Trnad

1696
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:57,239
was the big time favorite in this fight. And even

1697
01:19:57,279 --> 01:19:59,359
though Bernard Hopkins would go on to score other upsets

1698
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:01,319
in his career, he had never done it yet, and

1699
01:20:01,359 --> 01:20:03,479
this was the first one where he goes in everything,

1700
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,960
so you know, Philix Trean's gonna knock him out. Uh

1701
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,720
And and Bernard Hopkins laid an absolute beating on him

1702
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,399
and knocked him on the twelfth round. But to get

1703
01:20:11,399 --> 01:20:12,840
back to what I was saying about the atmosphere of

1704
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,159
the crowd, I mean, it was a big Querto Rican crowd,

1705
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:18,720
largely uh Phelix Trinidad's fans. But like I said, nobody

1706
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,399
knew how to act. Everyone was happy to be back

1707
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:22,600
in a fight, but there was so much sadness that

1708
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,319
in just engulf of the arena, Like I still get

1709
01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:26,279
emotional when I think about it. When they played the

1710
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:30,399
national anthem, the whole place was like in tears. I

1711
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:33,640
mean we all cried. That was he just couldn't help it.

1712
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,680
And then Trinidad comes into wearing the comes in wearing

1713
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,399
the fire hat or rather I think it was the

1714
01:20:40,399 --> 01:20:45,399
was it the I can't remember it was the hat. Yeah,

1715
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,399
he wore the hat, I mean, and and it was just, uh,

1716
01:20:49,399 --> 01:20:52,399
just a remarkable night, I mean, under under very unfortunate

1717
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,680
and sad circumstances, but it stands out because of that.

1718
01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:58,079
Like I always kind of when people say, like, what's

1719
01:20:58,119 --> 01:21:01,560
the the biggest fire, the best atmosphere that you've been to.

1720
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,920
I always take that fight and I put it to

1721
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,239
the side in terms of the atmosphere, because while it

1722
01:21:06,359 --> 01:21:09,960
wasn't a great atmosphere from the standpoint of electricity, you know,

1723
01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:13,439
like Joppy versus Trinidad or other like Wembley when I

1724
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,880
was there for Clitchko and Anthony Joshua, or you know,

1725
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,199
some of the mega fights in Vegas with Oscar Pacy

1726
01:21:19,319 --> 01:21:22,680
er Floy things like that. The atmosphere of this was

1727
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:28,279
just different, but absolutely unforgettable, as tension filled, as emotional

1728
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,039
as anything, and not having anything to do with the fight.

1729
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:33,399
It was about what is occurring, you know in New

1730
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,239
York City, you know, a few blocks away where they're still,

1731
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,319
you know, trying to put out the fires of the

1732
01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:41,479
smoldering World Trade Center and digging for bodies, you know,

1733
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,520
several blocks away. So and then Bernard Hawkins turns in

1734
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:51,000
an absolutely extraordinary performance and you know, I don't care.

1735
01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:52,760
It could be twenty three years later, it could be

1736
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:56,279
fifty three years later. I will never forget being there

1737
01:21:56,359 --> 01:22:00,520
and the emotions and the victory and the loss and

1738
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,720
just I can't even explain it.

1739
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 1: I can tell, and you did a great job of

1740
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,439
conveying all of that. And this makes me now want

1741
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,399
to go YouTube that one up, as we like to say,

1742
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,479
Hopkins and Trinidad, just to watch those anthems. I must

1743
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:14,399
say it played out.

1744
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,399
Speaker 2: Bernard Hopkins, the way he performed that night. You know,

1745
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:21,079
if you don't think this man is one of the

1746
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:24,119
all time greats, watch that fight. For him to perform

1747
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:28,039
like that in that situation against that opponent. He you know,

1748
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,520
Bernard Hopkins is an absolute stone cold legend period because

1749
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,800
of that and many other fights, but that one. You know,

1750
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,520
He's had a lot of big wins. He had a

1751
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,119
lot of big wins in his career, no doubt about it.

1752
01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:40,680
But that is the defining victory of his career.

1753
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:45,520
Speaker 1: Love it all right, So let's move forward, what six

1754
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,359
more years to two thousand and seven. In the same day,

1755
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,640
September the twenty ninth, which, as we released the podcast,

1756
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:55,439
is now seventeen years ago. On Sunday Night, Kelly Pavlik,

1757
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,520
speaking of middleweight's Kelly Pavlick, scores a dramatic seventh round

1758
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:04,319
ko Jermaine Taylor and wins the lineal and unified middleweight titles.

1759
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,880
This was in Atlantic City and you were right there

1760
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,840
for that one. Six years later, moving forward from the

1761
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,880
Hopkins win, what do you remember about that night in

1762
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,279
Atlantic City in that fight.

1763
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 2: Well, remember the reason why Bernard Hopkins, or rather the

1764
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,079
reason that Jermaine Taylor was the champion going into that

1765
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:22,600
fight was because he had, you know, five years or

1766
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,119
whatever after Bernard had defeated Trinidad to become on disputed

1767
01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:29,079
at middleweight. He's the one who dethroned Bernard Hopkins. In fact,

1768
01:23:29,119 --> 01:23:32,159
he beat him twice in post decisions in two thousand

1769
01:23:32,199 --> 01:23:35,479
and five to become the champion. And then later he's

1770
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,560
facing Kelly Pavlick, who became his mandatory in the WBC

1771
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,119
by winning in that really outstanding, super exciting, all out

1772
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:45,399
slugfest against Edison Miranda on the undercart of one of

1773
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:49,079
Jermaine Taylor's defenses against Corey Spinks in Memphis, Tennessee, which

1774
01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:51,800
I also was present at, and that set up this major,

1775
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,640
major Atlantic City fight that was live on HBO. If

1776
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,960
this fight was today, guarantee you'd be on pay per view.

1777
01:23:57,159 --> 01:23:59,199
We'd probably be looking at an eighty dollars pay per

1778
01:23:59,239 --> 01:24:02,560
view fight. Nonetheless, they put this fight at the Boardwalk Hall,

1779
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,960
and I remember actually thinking about this ahead of time

1780
01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:07,199
when I knew that Steve Smoger, the late great referee,

1781
01:24:07,239 --> 01:24:08,640
was going to be the the ref for the fight.

1782
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,439
You know, back in those days, it was sort of

1783
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,520
like a joke, half serious, half joking. But if Smoger

1784
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,359
was refing the main event, you knew you're probably gonna

1785
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:17,800
have a good fight, because is the way he refereed fights.

1786
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,279
If the two guys were there to fight, you know,

1787
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,760
he wasn't going to get himself to involve. And that's

1788
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,840
exactly what turned out. But I want to set this

1789
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,800
up a little bit, so Jermaine had a big fan

1790
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,199
base from Little Rock, Arkansas, but Kelly Pavlck's people from Youngstown, Ohio.

1791
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,439
They came out and represented big time. And one thing

1792
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,560
I remember, extremely vivid he was. On the morning of

1793
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,880
the fight, I had like breakfast and coffee like I

1794
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,239
don't know it was. I guess it was a Starbucks

1795
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:42,439
or like a coffee shop on the boardwalk and I

1796
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,680
was with Todd the Buff from Top Rank and Larry

1797
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,760
Merchant from HBO. We walked into the Starbucks, and we

1798
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,960
were like the only people in the entire place that

1799
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,800
were not wearing the Ohio state red colors on our

1800
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,840
shirts and pants and hats and sweatshirts and this and that.

1801
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,680
I mean, it was a massive influx of people that

1802
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,520
had made the trip from Ohio and from Youngstown who

1803
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,319
were obviously all huge Ohio State fans. So everywhere you

1804
01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:07,920
looked on the boardwalk that weekend was all about the

1805
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,359
Ohio state colors. So it was a huge expectations for

1806
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,880
Kelly Pavlick going into that fight. It turned out to

1807
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,159
be a classic fight, a tremendous battle, if I'm not mistaken.

1808
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,520
The Ring magazine picked it as the fight of the

1809
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,079
Year that year. I didn't necessarily agree with that, but

1810
01:25:22,119 --> 01:25:24,479
the point was, yeah they did. They did. I think

1811
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:25,800
they did pick it as the fight of the year.

1812
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,960
But it was a worthy fight. I mean, Pavlick was

1813
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,520
in massive trouble in the second round. Jermaine Taylor knocked

1814
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,720
him down. He got up, smoger let the fight go.

1815
01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:38,560
He came storming back, and he finally put Jermaine Taylor

1816
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,880
away with a massive flurry of punches and just left

1817
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,600
him like a heap but nothing in the corner, and

1818
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,840
you know Smoger emphatically waving off the fight in the

1819
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,600
seventh round. The place went absolutely fucking crazy. If you

1820
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,680
go and watch the video, and I've done this today.

1821
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,479
You never see Al Hayman ringside for any fights anymore,

1822
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,199
but back he was ringside for this fight. And the

1823
01:25:59,319 --> 01:26:01,880
look on his face when his guy Jermaine Taylor got

1824
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,720
knocked out by Bob Arams guy Kelly Pavrick, you know,

1825
01:26:05,279 --> 01:26:09,399
is kind of told the story. But hugely exciting, tremendous fight.

1826
01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:11,399
And remember these were two young guys. These were guys

1827
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:13,800
were undefeated. You know, You're like, these guys can be

1828
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:15,960
around for a long time, dominating this division. You thought,

1829
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,439
maybe we'll see a classic rivally they did fight a

1830
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,560
rematch that was not even close to living up to

1831
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,399
the bill of the of the first fight. It was

1832
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,319
over the weight, which was part of the contract that

1833
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,079
Jermaine had in terms of his ability to get a rematch.

1834
01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:28,520
I think he was still kind of struggling to make

1835
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,800
the weight at that point. So the second fight, you know,

1836
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:33,960
is not really as memorable in any way, shape or

1837
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,840
for him. But the first fight, spectacular fight, just as

1838
01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:39,920
as good as against and you really thought, you know what,

1839
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,840
maybe Pablic's going to be around for a long time.

1840
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:43,880
You know, he made a couple of defenses, then he

1841
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,760
ended up losing a non title fight to Hopkins and

1842
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,800
he kind of petered out. He got knocked out or

1843
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,880
not locked out, but he got cut up and lost

1844
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,159
a decision and the title to Sergio Martinez not that

1845
01:26:52,279 --> 01:26:56,680
much longer after this, and Jermaine, you know, he he

1846
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,039
had his own issues. He went into the Superman to

1847
01:26:59,079 --> 01:27:02,439
the Superman Away tournament, showed that his chin was very,

1848
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,159
very terrible, and you know, after getting knocked out by

1849
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:07,000
Kelly in the first fight, he went to distance with

1850
01:27:07,079 --> 01:27:09,520
him in the second fight. He then beat Jeff Lacy,

1851
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,600
but then came the rough times, brutal knockout to Carl Frost,

1852
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,520
brutal knockout to Abraham, and he was never the same.

1853
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,520
So point is, at the moment that this fight happened

1854
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,600
between Pablik and Taylor for the big middleweight prize, you're like,

1855
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,000
these guys are gonna be at the top of the

1856
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,239
heat for a long time, and that was a memorable fight,

1857
01:27:25,239 --> 01:27:27,520
but it was such a short lived time for those

1858
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,479
two guys. After this fight, but the memory of that

1859
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,600
first fight, spectacular fight, spectacular weekend, and just an all

1860
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,800
time kind of memorable performance.

1861
01:27:38,079 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: Love the nostalgia and you were right there for both.

1862
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:43,880
And I hope I think people do they appreciate this

1863
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,119
and love this because you can relate on these anniversaries

1864
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:49,560
of what was it like to be there? What do

1865
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,199
you remember? Great stuff? All right, busy show.

1866
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Speaker 2: I gotta just I'm gonna say one more thing, by

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the way, Yeah, I think this is the right fight.

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It might have been a different fight, but my memory

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serves coming back to from from the boardwalk hall. You

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walk out, you leave the arena, you're on the boardwalk,

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and you walk you know what would be the equivalent

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of maybe two blocks or whatever, and you're at your hotel.

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The two hotels had sponsored all those fights were Caesars

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and and Balley's. They were very close to each other,

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right next attached to each other, actually, So I remember

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being in the casino, having gotten back to the hotel,

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going up towards to go to my room, and kind

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of trailing behind us was Public and his team. And

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when they walked into the casino, like everybody stopped and

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people just started to applaud him and his trainer Jack Low,

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and people started a chanting the Champus here the Champus.

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I mean, it was really a memorable kind of experience

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that you see in those moments after one of these

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huge wins of look.

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Speaker 1: At you with bonus nostalgia on top of the nostalgia

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that's very similar to your greetings when you show up

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in the Atlantic City casinos. Exactly stand up and clap

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that back when there was.

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Speaker 2: Big fights in Atlantic Seat all the time. There hasn't

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been a big fight in Atlantic City in ages. They

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still have some fights there, but I haven't been there

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for what I would consider a really big fight. You

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got to go back to probably Bernard Hopkins's fight against

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Sergey Kovlev, which is a number of years ago. I've

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been there for other fights since, but nothing at the

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top level.

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Speaker 1: Outstanding stuff, my friend. Great get there with Frank Warren

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and we conclude the month of September with this here

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pod and get ready for a new month, a month

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of October, and press on. Listen, everybody, have a great week, Dan,

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have a great week. Great stuff here as always, Thank you,

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We'll talk to you soon. On the preview pod.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good to me.

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