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Speaker 8: This ain't my first time at the rodeo. M all right, everyone,
Speaker 8: thanks for being here. I'm so excited for this episode.
Speaker 8: I have one of my best sties in the podcasting world, Drew,
Speaker 8: on tonight, and we are going to cover one of
Speaker 8: our favorite movies, or at least, let me just speak
Speaker 8: for myself, one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 8: But before we get into it, Drew, how are you?
Speaker 9: I am? Good, mate, really good. I'm really happy to
Speaker 9: be on for this film because, like you said, it's
Speaker 9: not just yours. It's one of my favorite films of
Speaker 9: all time as well. It's an epic eighties film, the
Speaker 9: tail endb eighties. But I really can't wait to get
Speaker 9: into this one because after going back and watching it
Speaker 9: with a keen eye this time, I picked up on
Speaker 9: a lot of things that just went straight over my
Speaker 9: head as a kid growing.
Speaker 8: Up watching this, oh for sure, And like I said,
Speaker 8: before we started recording. I hope we didn't find all
Speaker 8: the same stuff. I still hope to blow your mind
Speaker 8: a little bit. Like that's always I have to set
Speaker 8: the bar, like if I don't blow Drew's mind, I've failed.
Speaker 8: So hopefully I found something. But it is the verbs.
Speaker 8: And of course, you know, with Tom Hanks and everything,
Speaker 8: it's one of those conspiracy theories that even people who
Speaker 8: aren't into conspiracy theories are starting to know about. You know,
Speaker 8: it's always Tom Hanks that gets brought up. He's like
Speaker 8: the conspiracy candy at this point.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Tom Hanks has become very much a thorn in
Speaker 9: the side of the Q people. He's this big personality
Speaker 9: that when everyone talks about Hollywood and the city Underbelly,
Speaker 9: Tom Hanks just happens to be the lead head of this.
Speaker 9: It's like he's some kind of a patriarch of the
Speaker 9: of the pedophilex pedophile satanic elite or something. He's just Yeah,
Speaker 9: and it came out nowhere too. America's Dad, as he's
Speaker 9: been known, has somehow become the most nefarious name in Hollywood.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it was also he was also linked to
Speaker 8: all that Isaac Cappy stuff and just all the weirdness,
Speaker 8: you know, and like one of his sons is like
Speaker 8: pretty hot. Actually he's like a buff dude and doesn't
Speaker 8: really look like Tom Hanks at all. And then you
Speaker 8: have his other son, Colin, that has been in a
Speaker 8: lot of movies that looks almost just like him, like
Speaker 8: a twin of him, And you almost wonder, like, are
Speaker 8: they into all this stuff too? I guess they'd have
Speaker 8: to be right, it's like that's their dad. Guilt by association.
Speaker 8: But I mean, I guess it's one of those separating
Speaker 8: the art from the artist or whatever they say. Because
Speaker 8: I still love the movie. I still watch Tom Hanks
Speaker 8: movies all the time. I always talk about The Money Pit.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you like that one, but.
Speaker 9: It's pretty good. The money Pit, Big passed away this
Speaker 9: all these great Hollywood films of Tom Hanks. Like I said,
Speaker 9: when you think of the elites of Hollywood and people
Speaker 9: who were genuinely entertaining in their craft, Tom Hanks is
Speaker 9: rought up there. Oh so for all these conspiracy theories
Speaker 9: to come out and say at bare minim the last
Speaker 9: five to six years, that just blew up the scene
Speaker 9: and conspiracy big time. Because we all grew up on
Speaker 9: Tom Hanks A fantastic.
Speaker 8: ACTA one hundred and I know you have a little
Speaker 8: bit of an article do you want to read for everyone,
Speaker 8: just maybe to get us started, Yeah, sir, little tease test.
Speaker 9: Absolutely So this is an article I came across and
Speaker 9: I'll just bring it up on the screen. It really
Speaker 9: spins the tale of what conspiracy theory is for Normish
Speaker 9: and probably what i'd say is left wing politics in
Speaker 9: America and how it's considered today. Tom Hanks movie that
Speaker 9: explains modern conspiracy theories, The Burbs, continues to be underrated
Speaker 9: by Cracked dot com. A lot of Tom Hanks movies
Speaker 9: help us untangle the complexities of the modern world. Philadelphia
Speaker 9: taught many of us about AIDS discrimination, Apollo thirteen was
Speaker 9: a painstakingly accurate look at the space program, and of
Speaker 9: course Larry Crown was a hard look at well whatever
Speaker 9: it was that happened in the Larry Crown. But we'd
Speaker 9: like to take a minute to talk about Tom hanks
Speaker 9: most sadly underrated projects, the nineteen eighty nine comedy The Burbs,
Speaker 9: directed by Joe Dante. The Suburbs been a subject of
Speaker 9: a lot of political discourse this year. Donald Trump's reelection
Speaker 9: strategy heavily involved stoking racist fears among white suburbanites, and
Speaker 9: earlier this year, the Republican National Convention hosted Mark and
Speaker 9: Patricia McCloskey, the recently indicted gun toting rejects from the
Speaker 9: Freedom fifty five commercial who threatened Black Lives Matter protesters.
Speaker 9: The couple warned viewers that the Democrats were attempting to
Speaker 9: abolish the suburbs, presumably their warning that Joe Biden would
Speaker 9: personally bathe in the blood of each and every peer
Speaker 9: one shopper, shopper that was cut for time.
Speaker 8: What the fuck right?
Speaker 9: This is varied, politicized spin, every single conspiracy theorist as
Speaker 9: a gun toting white American. Of course, the American suburb's
Speaker 9: real story is inherently racist one the state's sponsored housing
Speaker 9: projects purposely segregated communities out of the fears of property
Speaker 9: values of white homes would decline Otherwise, One could argue
Speaker 9: that the urbs exclusion of black characters in the story
Speaker 9: about suburbans and a phobia is a giant oversight, But
Speaker 9: the film also grapples with another theme that are sadly
Speaker 9: relevant today. Ultimately, the movie is about how fear, privilege,
Speaker 9: and isolation are the gears to crank out the conspiracy
Speaker 9: theory sausage alarmingly quickly. Hanks and friends convince themselves that
Speaker 9: their residents foreigners are Satanists and reflect in real life
Speaker 9: Satanic panic of the mid nineteen eighties, the massisteria of
Speaker 9: the Satanists were abusing children throughout the country, sometimes through
Speaker 9: the unholy vessel of the Smurfs. Certainly has echoes in
Speaker 9: today's batshit crazy QAnon conspiracy theory, and it to has
Speaker 9: been spreading in the suburbs. While the verbs ultimately ends
Speaker 9: in the revelation that the mysterious foreign invaders did commit murder,
Speaker 9: the twist almost feels like an aft of thought and
Speaker 9: they could easily exist solely in rais fractured psyche. The
Speaker 9: points that this titular verbs can be conserved as the
Speaker 9: perfect breeding ground for irrational, toxic obsession. And while so
Speaker 9: has gone through like twenty Batman's since nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 9: sadly that hasn't changed. What the app a compolete absolute
Speaker 9: drama of politics that's been thrown into this.
Speaker 8: What do you know when we do episodes like this
Speaker 8: and I have people say like, oh, you're grasping at straws.
Speaker 8: Oh you're splitting hairs, you're doing this, and now that article,
Speaker 8: that article is doing that.
Speaker 9: Okay, exactly, it's the article is.
Speaker 8: Doing that, not us, not the stuff. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: that shit is grasping at straws.
Speaker 9: It took something that was a nineteen eighty nine classic
Speaker 9: comedy and made it purposely political for no reason. If
Speaker 9: anyone's stoking the now and yeah, it's stoked the fire
Speaker 9: division by making it race related, not at all about
Speaker 9: the actual content of the film, but anyway, it just
Speaker 9: hintsept things like Satanism, which are clearly within this film
Speaker 9: by the way, yeah the script, but let's just go
Speaker 9: off that and everyone's a gun toning Trump supporter. Wow,
Speaker 9: I just found that article very interesting in my research.
Speaker 8: Dude, that is fucking wild, Drew. I'm telling you, they
Speaker 8: hit us at every angle with some shit like that.
Speaker 8: Like somebody who wasn't like us, who wasn't into this stuff,
Speaker 8: come across an article like that and they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 8: I never knew that about the Burbs. It's like, what
Speaker 8: the like what That's not what the movie was about
Speaker 8: at all.
Speaker 9: Not at all it's it's one of those like lecturers
Speaker 9: at university which has a whole unit on white oppression
Speaker 9: of minority groups, and they'd use this as a focus
Speaker 9: for their students reading something into it that's not actually.
Speaker 8: There, right right, Okay, Well we're gonna have to school
Speaker 8: people now because we gotta we gotta make it right
Speaker 8: for anybody out there who found that article. We got
Speaker 8: to tell them the truth about the fucking verbs. How
Speaker 8: do you want to get started? You you always do
Speaker 8: like the kind of like the overview and the names
Speaker 8: and stuff. You want to do that first?
Speaker 9: Yeah, let's get in so I've got synopsis there and
Speaker 9: did you know your facts? And then the etymology of
Speaker 9: the names.
Speaker 10: All Tom Hanks wanted was a quiet vacation at home.
Speaker 9: This is what I need, Carol, I need this.
Speaker 10: Welcome to Mayfield Place, a typical street in the burbs
Speaker 10: whine Water where nothing much ever happened. I just tick
Speaker 10: a dump on Rumsfield's lining until the Clopex moved in
Speaker 10: Clopex Clopex clopek. No one goes in, no one comes out.
Speaker 10: Neighbors from how it was a nice place to live,
Speaker 10: he said.
Speaker 11: He thinks the Clopex are evil incarnate.
Speaker 1: Well you're much too smart to fall for that, aren't you, honey?
Speaker 10: But no, Carol, you would't want a visit there.
Speaker 9: Ray, This is Walter.
Speaker 10: The Burbs.
Speaker 12: I'm going over the fence when I'm not coming back
Speaker 12: till I find a dead Bonnie.
Speaker 9: Great.
Speaker 12: Do you wanted to take your family kidnap and tear
Speaker 12: their livers out and make some kind of satanic pante
Speaker 12: We Ron, Walter.
Speaker 13: We got a real problems, Ron.
Speaker 9: I love this street.
Speaker 10: Tom Hanks, I think we are overreacting. No, the Urbs,
Speaker 10: it's one hell of a neighborhood.
Speaker 11: Hey, Hi, I think we should move.
Speaker 9: So. The Urbs is the nineteen eighty nine dark comedy
Speaker 9: thriller written by Dana Olson and directed by Joey Dante
Speaker 9: that tells the tale of a typical American neighborhood.
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Speaker 9: When new neighbors come to leave in the Haus, next
Speaker 9: tool to write Payson, he finds that least people are
Speaker 9: really strange. Nobody's ever seen them. The Haus is a
Speaker 9: real man, and during the night, weird noises keep coming
Speaker 9: from their basement. The only thing they know is their name, Clopex.
Speaker 9: One day, Walter, an old man in the neighborhood, suddenly
Speaker 9: disappears under mysterious circumstances. Ray begins to question the CLOPEXX involvement,
Speaker 9: while his friend and fellow neighbor Art is convinced that
Speaker 9: the new family on the block is part of a
Speaker 9: murderous satanic cult. Straight off the bat, Joe Dante as
Speaker 9: the director.
Speaker 8: Don't even say anything because I got all the shit
Speaker 8: on the drug. You know, that's my thing.
Speaker 9: I just got to just just a little bit Dante
Speaker 9: Dante's Inferno, the literal story about a man who goes
Speaker 9: to hall to save his wife who's committed suicide. I
Speaker 9: just jumped off the bat for me as a historian
Speaker 9: and a literary lover. Sot on the dragon.
Speaker 8: I actually this is an m Nate Charmalan twit in
Speaker 8: our episode because I'm not going to reveal anything about
Speaker 8: the director until we get like halfway through the breakdown
Speaker 8: because there's a specific scene that triggers the conspiracy. So
Speaker 8: I'll get to it like kind of halfway through. But
Speaker 8: let me hear about the names. Give me the name, Okay, I'll.
Speaker 9: Go through the names. Then we'll go through some did
Speaker 9: you know facts? Ray Peterson. Tom Hanks plays our main
Speaker 9: character in Old German tongue. Ray finds fitting roots in Reagan,
Speaker 9: meaning counsel or advice, elevating the bearer to a moral
Speaker 9: learned stature. Peterson, meaning Peter's son, is derived from the
Speaker 9: given name Peter, which is from the Greek Petros, meaning
Speaker 9: rock or stone. So Ray is the bedrock of his
Speaker 9: small community of Mayfield Place. He forms his council with
Speaker 9: fellow neighbors, seeking advice on the new mysterious neighbors and
Speaker 9: what they've been doing within the confines of the dark
Speaker 9: and ominous home. So he's the counselor and the bedrock
Speaker 9: of his community.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Carol, his wife, Carol, just being synonymous with folk songs
Speaker 9: and religious significance, she's almost like his moral grounding. She's
Speaker 9: his voice of reason throughout. Oh you're crazy, you're looking
Speaker 9: too much into this, So she's almost like his balancing scale.
Speaker 9: In this film, bitch was wrong though she was very wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Mark Rumsfeld, who plays the neighbor who's like a grizzled
Speaker 9: Vietnam Veteran Roman Latin name Markos or Martkos has been
Speaker 9: thought to mean god of war and warlock. Rumsfeld is
Speaker 9: Old English, which means wild Garlic. It is believed that
Speaker 9: a strong sense an essence of garlic repels creatures, protecting
Speaker 9: individuals from their harmful intentions. Whiles association with vampires is
Speaker 9: mostly mythical, the symbolism of garlic is a potent guardian
Speaker 9: against darkness still persists. Mark is a grizzled war veteran
Speaker 9: from Vietnam, a man with a keen eye on what
Speaker 9: happens with his street. He forms the physical protect for
Speaker 9: the town, using his military tactical knowledge to keep those
Speaker 9: he cares about safe, repelling those who mean to do
Speaker 9: them harm. He's the physical soldier and the esoteric guardian
Speaker 9: of his street.
Speaker 8: He definitely is that.
Speaker 9: Art Wagner, which is the conspiracy theorist in this film
Speaker 9: who kind of aligns with what our thinking is. It's
Speaker 9: hilarious loved art Art Winegardner Art is a Celtic masculine
Speaker 9: name meaning bear and figuratively means champion, whereas white Gardener
Speaker 9: is a German surname meaning wine. Gardener. Art embodies the
Speaker 9: essence of his namesake the as he wanders in and
Speaker 9: around the town and the street, going through people's houses,
Speaker 9: eating their food, sitting down, lazing about. He also enjoys
Speaker 9: a good drink. In this case it's beer, not wine,
Speaker 9: so he's just the lays of our easy going guy.
Speaker 9: The last one in the small little group is Ricky Butler,
Speaker 9: who's played by oh from Grimlins with his Corey Feldman Corey,
Speaker 9: one of his last films before he dropped off the
Speaker 9: face of the earth. Butler German origins meaning powerful leader
Speaker 9: or brave ruler, and it's a short form of Richard,
Speaker 9: whereas Butler is Old English meaning a bottle bearer. Ricky
Speaker 9: is the leader amongst his group of youthful friends doing
Speaker 9: the typical things of those in his age, hanging around
Speaker 9: partying drinking. He brings the beer, the location and the
Speaker 9: entertainment for his friends group, so you see throughout this
Speaker 9: film he's always got his young group of friends around
Speaker 9: watching what other people are doing and not going out
Speaker 9: and partying like the stereotypical things of the kids at
Speaker 9: that age. Last one doctor Werner Clopek, which is our
Speaker 9: villain for this film. Werner is a name of German origin,
Speaker 9: Werner meaning the defender or the defending warrior. Clopek is
Speaker 9: Polish in origin, a diminutive vermin version sorry of Kloss
Speaker 9: a nickname from Kloss roughly translates to ear or spike
Speaker 9: of cereal, which generally means in Polish tongue, probably for
Speaker 9: someone who's small or lanky. Doctor Werner is a small
Speaker 9: man and fierce defender of his family's ancient Germanic Slavic arts,
Speaker 9: practices and secrets. Whilst he cannot defend his family in
Speaker 9: the sense of martial strength and power, he does so
Speaker 9: through his intellect, charm, and panash. We see this guy
Speaker 9: as a very well educated, very worldly man, very different
Speaker 9: from his brother and his nephew, but he defends them
Speaker 9: in that manner through his intellect.
Speaker 8: And he is small as fun like he looks, Yeah,
Speaker 8: he looks like a fucking madjit or something. But you know,
Speaker 8: I thought that it might be significant because they kept
Speaker 8: bringing it up in the movie, like Klopec, Like what
Speaker 8: is that a Slavic name? Like, they kept bringing it
Speaker 8: up in the movie, so I thought, like it might
Speaker 8: be I don't know, do you think it fits the
Speaker 8: care well or do you think it was just some randomness.
Speaker 9: I think they wanted a Pollock Slavic type of name,
Speaker 9: but it tends to be the more Germanic in their origin.
Speaker 9: In this film, and it kind of comes back to
Speaker 9: one of the key sequences later on I'll get into,
Speaker 9: but it refers to a Zoroastrian god or demon in
Speaker 9: this case.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Drew, why are you going to come in with
Speaker 8: the heat so early on? Geez what let me grab
Speaker 8: my water real quick, Hang on, no problem, Okay, So
Speaker 8: the beginning of the movie, let's just walk ourselves through it. Uh,
Speaker 8: did anything strike you? I'm talking about even the opening
Speaker 8: of the opening of the movie when they're zooming down
Speaker 8: in on the house and like everything after that, did
Speaker 8: anything strike you right off the top?
Speaker 9: Well, straight off the get go. If you're going to
Speaker 9: go down to conspiracy routes, it had and it's the
Speaker 9: producer of the film, the company that helped build it
Speaker 9: and fund it. It goes stretch to the globe earth
Speaker 9: versus flat earth analogy, because we've got the globe. It
Speaker 9: shows the globe that zooms in, It goes specific part
Speaker 9: of America and goes down to a straight level straight away.
Speaker 9: It's setting up the idea or the sigh up that
Speaker 9: the Earth is a globe versus a flat plane. And
Speaker 9: if you're a biblical person, it's a flat plane.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what. That's the first thing that I noticed too, right,
Speaker 8: Like they got the globe model going for us, and
Speaker 8: then it's zooming down in and you know, compared to
Speaker 8: everything else on the street, obviously the Klopex house, everything
Speaker 8: is fucking dead. The grass is dead, the trees are dead.
Speaker 8: The house looks fucking dilapidated. Which doesn't make sense to
Speaker 8: me because if they had just moved in and just
Speaker 8: murdered the Naps, why weren't the Naps keeping up with
Speaker 8: their shit, Like they moved in and literally everything fucking
Speaker 8: died overnight or like what I mean. Obviously it's just
Speaker 8: part of the movie for the theatrical version of it,
Speaker 8: but they had literally freshly murdered the Naps, and fucking
Speaker 8: the whole house looks like it's been vacant for seventy
Speaker 8: two years.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it almost looks as if the land's cursed because
Speaker 9: you've got the immaculate lawns on everyone else's front yards
Speaker 9: and there's literally a delineation of lime grain that suddenly stops.
Speaker 9: There's no overlap of a little bit of grass slowly dying.
Speaker 9: It's just dead in lines, as if almost it's like
Speaker 9: cursed earth. Assaulted earth.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so now we have to take into consideration.
Speaker 8: Just teer me out that it goes beyond just the
Speaker 8: physical aspects of these guys being fucking weird, because if
Speaker 8: you can kill grass overnight and trees, then there's probably
Speaker 8: a spiritual aspect to this, like everything is dead around
Speaker 8: these motherfuckers. And the next scene, like when I put
Speaker 8: in some stuff that I just thought was funny, but
Speaker 8: like the newspaper boy is doing his route or whatever
Speaker 8: and he gets to Tom Hanks his house and he
Speaker 8: splashes the coffee at him, like I don't know, but
Speaker 8: it just gets me every time. It's so funny.
Speaker 9: The hilarious thing I found was the name of the
Speaker 9: straight Mayfield Place because it's a winking a nod to Mayfield,
Speaker 9: which was the town which the Claves lived in, and
Speaker 9: leave it to Beva. Oh so it's trying to type, Yeah,
Speaker 9: it's trying to tie back into that Americana like golden age,
Speaker 9: white pick offence Tom frame.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, And like we kind of get introduced in
Speaker 8: a way to all of the characters in this like
Speaker 8: first five minutes of the movie, because you know, Tom Hanks,
Speaker 8: he splashes his coffee at the newspaper boy, and then
Speaker 8: it kind of goes over to Rumsfield and his wife,
Speaker 8: who is smoking hot. By the way, if we were
Speaker 8: gonna rate like eighties wives, she's right up there. I mean,
Speaker 8: she's classic eighties wife material. Rumsfield's wife is smoking hot.
Speaker 9: And good twenty years younger than him.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. And you know, I think we
Speaker 8: see Walter, you know, his dog takes a shit on
Speaker 8: Rumsfield's lawn. We see Corey Feldman aka Ricky Butler, and uh.
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Speaker 8: I don't think we see art until a little bit later.
Speaker 8: But did anything strike you between like the opening and
Speaker 8: then the kitchen scene. Uh?
Speaker 9: Noria really kicked off in the kitchen, saying that's where
Speaker 9: I stopped.
Speaker 8: To me too, Well, I'll let you go first and
Speaker 8: then I'll tell you what I found in the kitchen.
Speaker 9: So this is the scene where we do get introduced
Speaker 9: into art. Kanna just makes his way over and starts
Speaker 9: eating the food and they're chatting. I noticed a little
Speaker 9: nod to a previous Corey Feldman film. In the background
Speaker 9: there's a box of Grimlin cereal sitting on the shelf.
Speaker 9: I guess I'll go first, go for it, please.
Speaker 8: All right? So first I want to say, though, in
Speaker 8: the kitchen scene at the beginning of the movie, when
Speaker 8: he's walking through the house and he's arguing with Carol
Speaker 8: about whether or not he's gonna go on vacation. There
Speaker 8: is a painting in the background of a little girl
Speaker 8: in a red overall dress with what looks to be
Speaker 8: a bullet hole in the middle of her head, and
Speaker 8: it's like kind of creepy, and I zoomed in on
Speaker 8: it and made it extra big, and it looks like
Speaker 8: there's just a dark circle like right in the middle
Speaker 8: of her forehead. Like She's like, it's like a dead
Speaker 8: girl in the painting, and I look at all the
Speaker 8: background stuff. Right then we get into the other part
Speaker 8: of the kitchen scene and they're they're either eating Grimlin
Speaker 8: cereal or they are it's on the counter. Obviously, the
Speaker 8: Grimlin cereal is out. I me and my sister do
Speaker 8: this with me. By the way, we were both watching it.
Speaker 8: She was born in the eighties. She knows things I
Speaker 8: don't know. I said, is that a real fucking cereal?
Speaker 8: I was like, did bitches be eating Grimlin cereal? She
Speaker 8: was like, oh my, oh god.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And so I watched the commercial for the Grimlin cereal
Speaker 8: and it goes satisfy the demon inside Ah Okay, that's
Speaker 8: what the Grimlin ceial commercial says. And the director of
Speaker 8: The Urbs directed the Grimlins bro like literally, and there
Speaker 8: is a lot of shit in the Grimlins that is
Speaker 8: fucking conspiracy theorists shit like there is. The term Grimlins
Speaker 8: came from the conspiracy Fuck me, it came from the
Speaker 8: conspiracy theorist guy in the Grimlins, because he was like,
Speaker 8: they're all coming to get us. There's Grimlins everywhere. So
Speaker 8: even that word came from like a conspiracy theory. And
Speaker 8: he's also one of the directors of the Twilight Zone movie.
Speaker 8: He directed the Twilight Zone movie alongside of Steven Spielberg.
Speaker 8: And there were two kids in the Twilight Zone movie
Speaker 8: that got their heads completely decapitated and uh in this
Speaker 8: fucking horrible helicopter accident while they were filming. And so
Speaker 8: there's all this weird darkness around this director, and he's
Speaker 8: putting little clues about stuff in the Burbs. If you
Speaker 8: look for it, it's there. He's already referenced the Grimlins there.
Speaker 8: Corey Feldman's wearing a Batman T shirt underneath his other
Speaker 8: T shirt and quite a few scenes. But I mean,
Speaker 8: what do you think about that? I think it's interesting.
Speaker 9: It is.
Speaker 17: I will.
Speaker 9: You mentioned the artwork, right, So I looked at that
Speaker 9: artwork and something. I didn't notice the bullet hole, but
Speaker 9: I noticed the style in which it was painted. It
Speaker 9: looks eerily reminiscent of some Pizzagate guest.
Speaker 8: The paintings, right, the painting eerily similar, very much so.
Speaker 8: And then you get like the the way that they
Speaker 8: set up everything in the background. It has to be
Speaker 8: on purpose because it catches your eye. The Grimlin cereal
Speaker 8: box catches your eye, and the painting in the background
Speaker 8: caught my eye for sure. But anyways, so after this scene, actually,
Speaker 8: and why I know it's got to be on purpose,
Speaker 8: is because Art comes through the backyard and he's got
Speaker 8: a fucking gun and he there's no other figurines in
Speaker 8: the entire backyard, in raised backyard other than what an ow,
Speaker 8: a fucking owl, and he shoots the head of it off.
Speaker 8: So I mean, do you think I'm grasping at straws
Speaker 8: because I think.
Speaker 9: That there's the council of like a council of owls
Speaker 9: or wisdom of owls, and the owl is very reminiscent
Speaker 9: of certain now elates that gather together at a certain
Speaker 9: grove and raise this Moloch. It's almost as if they're
Speaker 9: trying to symbolize the death of one kind of ancient
Speaker 9: deety to ushering another one lighter in the film, mm
Speaker 9: hmmm hmm.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I thought it was interesting. And just
Speaker 8: again in the kitchen scene, they're kind of at the
Speaker 8: table and Art is talking his head off, and in
Speaker 8: the background they're watching a cartoon. Did you catch the
Speaker 8: cartoon in the back?
Speaker 9: Now? I missed it? What was it?
Speaker 8: All right? So again, props to my sister because she
Speaker 8: recognized it. I never would have. She was like, oh,
Speaker 8: I know exactly what that was. They're watching Felix the
Speaker 8: cat step.
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Speaker 8: And my sister actually found the exact episode they were
Speaker 8: watching in the movie, and it's called The Rainbow Parade
Speaker 8: in Technicolor. And if you look at the cover for
Speaker 8: this cartoon, this episode, it's like all Wizard of Ozzie
Speaker 8: and there's like rainbows and just the symbolism is off
Speaker 8: the charts. And they're watching that episode in the background
Speaker 8: of this kitchen scene. But I mean the funny part
Speaker 8: of it. If you're not looking at the background and
Speaker 8: you're looking at the forefront. Art is eating his fucking
Speaker 8: ass off, and Ray looks at him and he's like,
Speaker 8: why didn't you go with your wife to her mother's house?
Speaker 8: And he's like, hey, I'm eating here.
Speaker 9: So why didn't you go with suzetto a mother's house?
Speaker 10: Okay, I'm eating here. Okay.
Speaker 12: Can you imagine me and the two of them alone
Speaker 12: for a week, I'd rather chew broken glass.
Speaker 9: Then he eats.
Speaker 8: He eats a dog food out of the dog food bowl.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's so many iconic moments. There's there's actually
Speaker 8: Aunt Jemimah's syrup on the table, rip Aunt Jemima But like, also.
Speaker 9: Do you guess what he grabs out of the fridge
Speaker 9: as well? Ribs, ribs, and damn pineapple. He pulls a
Speaker 9: pineapple out and pineapple in Hawaiian culture is a symbol
Speaker 9: of hospitality, friendship, and fertility.
Speaker 8: But it also upside down means swingers, so it's a
Speaker 8: sexual reference and.
Speaker 9: It's that's the fertility side of things.
Speaker 8: Right yeah, yeah yeah, But I mean the kitchen scene
Speaker 8: in itself is pure comedy because I mean, if I
Speaker 8: was going to be a character in this movie, I'm
Speaker 8: one art there is no other character I would be.
Speaker 8: I'm actually like that in real life. I can't stop
Speaker 8: eating and I can't stop talking about dumb shit. So
Speaker 8: I'm Art, I think you're I think your RUMs Field
Speaker 8: really unless you I mean, I'm not gonna tell you
Speaker 8: who you identify with, but if I was gonna say who,
Speaker 8: probably probably Rumsfield.
Speaker 9: I probably would be yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 8: Thing.
Speaker 18: Yeah, So why don't we go to next?
Speaker 9: So this is where because prior to this this scene
Speaker 9: sequence where we see Art talking to our main character
Speaker 9: about the neighbors, we've skimmed over a little part at
Speaker 9: the start where our main character played by Tom Hanks,
Speaker 9: he goes out and he's watching the neighbors. There's some
Speaker 9: weird noises coming from the basement. You hear over and
Speaker 9: you see Rumsfeld having a cigarette or a cigar in
Speaker 9: the window, watching over at night. Being he's creepy little
Speaker 9: self as well, and they start to get into the
Speaker 9: minuture of you know, he's got a week off, he's
Speaker 9: on vacation. He doesn't really want to do anything. He
Speaker 9: wants to lays about, drink a few beers, doesn't want
Speaker 9: to go anywhere. But this storyline starts to take over
Speaker 9: his life. He's a bit too invested in the neighbors
Speaker 9: and the issues are surrounding them. And the weird noises
Speaker 9: he hears and sees. And this is where Art really
Speaker 9: tapped into the schizo conspiracy society of things. When he's
Speaker 9: eating his food and he's just blah blah blah, going
Speaker 9: off about all the things that he's noticed about these neighbors.
Speaker 9: He says, one thing, though, I spoke to the real
Speaker 9: estate agent about the Clopex buying the house, and that's
Speaker 9: how he knows the last name. So the only thing
Speaker 9: we know about him the last name Clopex, which is
Speaker 9: interesting later on the film, there was no sale of
Speaker 9: the house. The house wasn't purchased spoilers. So how does
Speaker 9: is Art just talking shit or.
Speaker 8: Or we catch a f.
Speaker 9: We catched a flood, that is, there was a massive
Speaker 9: error in the continuity of the story, or Art's actually
Speaker 9: in on it.
Speaker 8: Maybe I still think I would be Art, though in
Speaker 8: this story it would be like me to be like
Speaker 8: fucking hiding some shit like that too, Like I did
Speaker 8: some fucking digging and shit fucking spying on the neighbors. Well,
Speaker 8: you know, when they're standing outside the garage and he's like,
Speaker 8: oh did I show you these these tools? It? Carol's dead,
Speaker 8: got me and you know, they're talking back and forth
Speaker 8: and he's like, oh, yeah, those are beautiful. What are
Speaker 8: you gonna build something with those?
Speaker 16: So?
Speaker 10: What are you gonna do first? I no, no, hey,
Speaker 10: that show you my new tools. No, were great.
Speaker 9: Carol's father gave.
Speaker 11: Him to me for Christmas.
Speaker 10: Huh Oh, those are beauties.
Speaker 9: You're gonna build something with us?
Speaker 10: I think so.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just so, it's just pure comedy, pure comedy.
Speaker 8: He's like, you want to go stop by the deli
Speaker 8: and get one of those sandwiches. I mean, I just
Speaker 8: love this movie so much. It's near and dear to
Speaker 8: my heart. But there is so much stuff in there,
Speaker 8: and you know, raise a pussy like for the first
Speaker 8: like half of the movie because even when they're standing
Speaker 8: outside at you know, talking back and forth in the garage,
Speaker 8: fucking this is where we see the first low peck
Speaker 8: fucking Hans makes his debut. And I don't know, Drew,
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not a hater against Gingers, obviously for
Speaker 8: apparent reasons, but damn, okay, they couldn't have picked a
Speaker 8: more crip keeper ass looking purple circles under the eye
Speaker 8: of fucking nasty ass Ginger. I mean that dude looked
Speaker 8: like walking hepatitis.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he fell out of the ugly tree and hit
Speaker 9: every branch on the way down.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean obviously some of its makeup,
Speaker 8: but god damn, Hans is fucked up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, this is this is where we see him. They
Speaker 9: notice him because no one's ever seen these people, and
Speaker 9: he's standing out the front and everyone's like once, you
Speaker 9: guys say hello, No, no, you guys say hello. You're
Speaker 9: his neighbor. You're his neighbor too. You're in the same
Speaker 9: could a sec Yeah, but you live right next to him,
Speaker 9: you share a border. And it's like that almost like
Speaker 9: the kid type of a ringing the doorbell. Now you're
Speaker 9: ring the doorbell a parts. And this is when a
Speaker 9: comedy really comes into its own, where we say these characters,
Speaker 9: although they've got this conspiracy going on, they're trying to
Speaker 9: figure it out. It's very reminiscent of almost like a
Speaker 9: pre teen kid's story about them ding dong ditching houses
Speaker 9: and that weird neighbor that's trying to figure out, but
Speaker 9: they've transplant it to an adult thing.
Speaker 8: Mm hmmm, because just in the kitchen something else I
Speaker 8: think I guess I forgot to mention is like arts
Speaker 8: eating ribs and he's talking to raised kid and he
Speaker 8: was like I saw him in the backyard digging and
Speaker 8: like grave. Yeah. So they know nothing about the family
Speaker 8: other than their last name, but now they're grave diggers
Speaker 8: and you know all this stuff and fucking they're daring
Speaker 8: each other to go up to well, you know, he's
Speaker 8: about to go back in the house. You could just say, oh,
Speaker 8: you're gonna miss him, You're gonna miss him, and like
Speaker 8: they're daring each other to go say hello, and he
Speaker 8: goes back. Hans goes back into the house, and they
Speaker 8: pretty much dare each other to knock on the door.
Speaker 8: And this is where some more conspiracy stuff comes in.
Speaker 8: I'll let you go first.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, So this they go, I'll go if you go,
Speaker 9: and they work up the courage. They go up to
Speaker 9: the front door. As they're walking in book goes through
Speaker 9: the decking of the front of the house, lift their
Speaker 9: foot up and as they go to knock on the door,
Speaker 9: it's originally stated as house six six ' nine knock
Speaker 9: on the door, nail falls out and becomes six sixty six.
Speaker 9: Very intentional on the film and to be the Devil's number.
Speaker 9: But the interesting part is when they go to hit
Speaker 9: the doorbell and they push their finger through and the
Speaker 9: bees start coming out from everywhere. Now, this is a
Speaker 9: purely comedy effect that they're getting chased by bees and
Speaker 9: the neighbor has to wet them down with the hose.
Speaker 9: But the bee itself is very symbolic of masonry, the
Speaker 9: form of a hive, mind, the hexagon, the bear, the
Speaker 9: idea that the bee is a sacred symbol and has
Speaker 9: this energetic field around it that can heal and be
Speaker 9: used for certain things. It's built into the fabric of
Speaker 9: freemasonry because it's like the perfect structure in nature and
Speaker 9: bees the capable of building it. So I thought that
Speaker 9: was a bit of a cheeky nod to it. They
Speaker 9: kind of distracted us with the six sixty six, which
Speaker 9: was very intentional, but hit away bees as being the
Speaker 9: real symbol and what's going on there.
Speaker 8: And the door knocker is a little devil with a
Speaker 8: little devil horns.
Speaker 9: It is, and that'll come back to a certain deity
Speaker 9: later on, which I find very interesting that the house
Speaker 9: already had that structures associated with it before they moved in.
Speaker 18: Ah Okay, all right, Yeah, so I think that within
Speaker 18: the five seconds they were standing on the porch, we
Speaker 18: found three things, right, like the six six six obviously,
Speaker 18: but the bees and the knocker to the door with the.
Speaker 8: Little devil head on it. I actually have in my notes.
Speaker 8: They used the color blue a lot in this movie,
Speaker 8: and blue I was kind of looking into it. It's
Speaker 8: supposed to be related to expression and communication within occultism,
Speaker 8: but I kind of saw it as like some times
Speaker 8: they use blue in movies to convey a certain emotion,
Speaker 8: like isolation and shit like that. But I felt like
Speaker 8: they were using it a lot in this movie. And
Speaker 8: it's almost like they're getting into our minds because everything
Speaker 8: you see on screen somehow translates into your mind as
Speaker 8: something else, right, So by bombarding us with imagery and
Speaker 8: certain colors, it does trigger something in the mind. So
Speaker 8: I did notice that a lot of the outfits, a
Speaker 8: lot of the houses, a lot of the just random stuff.
Speaker 8: It was like blue pig.
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Speaker 8: And uh yeah, so I just wanted to mention that,
Speaker 8: And then did you do you catch anything right after that?
Speaker 8: Because I have something in my nose. But it's the
Speaker 8: next scene.
Speaker 9: Well, there was another gaff that occurred in this scene,
Speaker 9: and I thought I was hearing things and had to
Speaker 9: go back deliberately and like, listen to it three times.
Speaker 9: There's someone screaming, help me, help me, at the top
Speaker 9: of their lungs, and I thought, oh, maybe this is
Speaker 9: one of the people in the basement. Turns out depends
Speaker 9: on which edition you got a hold of. There's background
Speaker 9: noise which has been saturated into it because that lot
Speaker 9: which they filmed on was right next to the Jaws ride,
Speaker 9: So people who are on the ride are screaming, help
Speaker 9: help me, Help me. It's a part of the ride.
Speaker 9: And it was put into the original soundtrack of digital
Speaker 9: backing noise, and they're only deleted at post production. But
Speaker 9: there's some versions of this that you can get that
Speaker 9: are old enough. It has the scenes so you.
Speaker 8: Can hear it. Oh my god, Well that goes along
Speaker 8: with the movie. They probably should have amplified the sound
Speaker 8: of it and made it part of the movie, like
Speaker 8: somebody was like screaming in the basement or something.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so there's the sound saturation that was in there
Speaker 9: the house we just spoke about. Beyond that, this is
Speaker 9: where we move into starting to understand and get to
Speaker 9: know the neighbors a little bit more. And this all
Speaker 9: kinds of coalesces are around. Walter disappearing. So the old
Speaker 9: guy at the start with Queen, the cute little black
Speaker 9: toy poodle, he's just up and disappeared. And the only
Speaker 9: reason they know he's disappeared is because Queen is running
Speaker 9: around out in the street by herself. Ironically, Queeny is
Speaker 9: the exact same dog that played Precious in Silence of
Speaker 9: the Lamps.
Speaker 10: This film.
Speaker 15: Oh she's so cuteye it.
Speaker 9: Is right, just got these weird owners. Queenie runs up
Speaker 9: to Queenie runs up to uh to one of Rumsfeld's wife,
Speaker 9: and she looks after him. Mother, there's something that's got
Speaker 9: to be wrong with Walter, because Walters wouldn't let her
Speaker 9: by herself. And they go to check the house out
Speaker 9: to see what's happened to Walter, and it's locked. They
Speaker 9: can't see him there until we see Rumsfeld. He is
Speaker 9: in through the back, you know, very cloak and dagger.
Speaker 9: Special forces goy pulled the glass out and they go
Speaker 9: into the house to check on rumsfeldt to check RUMs
Speaker 9: out to check for Walter, and he walks in. The
Speaker 9: first thing he notices the TV's on, but the chairs
Speaker 9: on the ground looks like there's been a struggle here.
Speaker 8: Sign a struggle A.
Speaker 9: Chair a chair over isn't really a sign of a
Speaker 9: struggle there. And they're just looking around the house. And
Speaker 9: it's quite funny during this whole time, because what we
Speaker 9: end up seeing is that at a certain point in
Speaker 9: this sequence they're looking through at the house and they're
Speaker 9: looking for things, and we've got Art looking for food. Ironically,
Speaker 9: he's like, hey, I found some cookies, and he opens
Speaker 9: the door and smashes and breaks things. When he leaves
Speaker 9: the house, he's got two wristwatches on, so he's pinched
Speaker 9: one of his watches. These starts off going in with
Speaker 9: one watch, leaves of the second one. So there's something
Speaker 9: about this guy WHI bit off, he takes advantage, he
Speaker 9: watches what else he's.
Speaker 8: Doing, literally a fucking kleptomaniac. Maybe I'm not art, Maybe
Speaker 8: I'm not. No I am I am minus the thievery,
Speaker 8: I'm definitely art. But is this before or after Ray
Speaker 8: sneaks out of the house to have a cigar and
Speaker 8: they talk outside. Is that before do they go to
Speaker 8: Walters before or after that? Okay, okay, because what my
Speaker 8: notes pick up on that conversation when he takes the
Speaker 8: dog for a walk and goes over and talk to
Speaker 8: Art and Ricky Butler because Corey Feldman. Ricky Butler brings
Speaker 8: up the movie The Sentinel about a doorway being opened
Speaker 8: up into Hell, and I went and watched the trailer
Speaker 8: for this movie. It's got like Jeff Goldbloom and Christopher
Speaker 8: walking and it actually looks like it would be a
Speaker 8: really classic horror movie. I had never seen it before,
Speaker 8: but it reminded me of the original Exorcist a little bit,
Speaker 8: So it's a real movie. I don't know if you
Speaker 8: had any notes on that part in particular. But Art
Speaker 8: also tells this story about Skip and murdering in his
Speaker 8: old house. Did it not remind you or was it
Speaker 8: not similar kind of to like maybe John Wayne Gacy
Speaker 8: a little bit murdering people in burying him in his basement,
Speaker 8: and he was a big fat.
Speaker 9: Guy in like a little bit, And they kind of
Speaker 9: reference aspects of that that there was a certain time
Speaker 9: in American culture in which people were almost activated to
Speaker 9: be serial killers. And they seem to be like the
Speaker 9: average person. They all seem to have had military experience
Speaker 9: where they'll probably brainwash but they just snap and they
Speaker 9: kill people. And the skip story of this guy that
Speaker 9: would serve Stas at the Sarta Fountain and one night
Speaker 9: he just snapped and kiwity his family put the bodies
Speaker 9: down the cool room, but the pow went out that
Speaker 9: summer and everyone could smell that they composing bodies, very
Speaker 9: reminiscent of us serial killers that just you know, hid
Speaker 9: bodies in their houses.
Speaker 8: Hid bodies in the basement. Yeah, it's crazy. And they
Speaker 8: were like, yeah, I just snapped one day and just
Speaker 8: went back to making it.
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Speaker 8: Cherry phosphates for the whatever you said. But the thing is, though,
Speaker 8: is it reminded me of John Gacy just because of
Speaker 8: the bodies in the basement thing. And then later on
Speaker 8: in the dream sequence, there's an appearance by Skip and
Speaker 8: it's obviously art, but it's like a big fat guy
Speaker 8: who makes fucking ice cream treats for the townsfolk who
Speaker 8: ends up snapping. And they always make serial killers out
Speaker 8: to be like that, but in my opinion, it's it's
Speaker 8: always by design in some form or fashion. Like serial killers.
Speaker 8: Some of them may be, but a lot of them
Speaker 8: don't act out of random acts of violence. It is
Speaker 8: definitely more programmed, in my opinion. But I thought that
Speaker 8: was interesting that they included that as a tidbit in
Speaker 8: this movie.
Speaker 9: And They almost try to saturate it into the public
Speaker 9: psyche because they preface it with every small town's got
Speaker 9: one of these stories, and then he tells me a
Speaker 9: story about skip. It's almost like planting the seed that
Speaker 9: would later become the serial killer phenomenon that we see,
Speaker 9: which mean white housewives who are hooked on these podcasts
Speaker 9: about and every goddamn town seems to have one of
Speaker 9: those stories. Right. My own hometown has one of these
Speaker 9: stories where a guy killed his wife, buried her, and
Speaker 9: then built a shed over the.
Speaker 8: Top shut up the town.
Speaker 9: Someone in my town. So I used to walk past
Speaker 9: this guy's house as a little kid on the way
Speaker 9: to kindergarten, and he killed his wife. No one knew
Speaker 9: what happened to her, buried, he built a concrete slab
Speaker 9: over the top, built a shed on top of it,
Speaker 9: and they didn't find it until I was like twenty five,
Speaker 9: twenty six years old.
Speaker 8: So he did he blab or they just found her body.
Speaker 9: I think they found the body, but he must have
Speaker 9: been talking to someone for them to look had.
Speaker 8: To have been you know what my sister said the
Speaker 8: other day, she's worse than me about watching true crime shows.
Speaker 8: She's got this whole thing worked out where she's gonna
Speaker 8: if it ever needed to happen, she would kill someone
Speaker 8: and bury them up and down, straight up and down,
Speaker 8: and then bury a dog over top of them sideways,
Speaker 8: so that if they ever went.
Speaker 9: Flicking, they find pick out that dog.
Speaker 8: I was like, you know how deep of a hole
Speaker 8: you'd have to take to bury someone standing up and
Speaker 8: then bury a dog on top of them sideways like that.
Speaker 8: She's put a lot of thought into this.
Speaker 9: To south to not be alone with Julia's sister.
Speaker 8: I'm living with her.
Speaker 9: How do you think.
Speaker 8: Did I do the dishes well enough.
Speaker 9: For your sister? I didn't put the towels back on
Speaker 9: the regulation? Can I get you anything?
Speaker 8: But yeah, no, So I thought that was a little
Speaker 8: interesting thing that they tossed into the movie. And do
Speaker 8: you have anything else after that? Because the next note
Speaker 8: I have is something that Ricky Butler was saying about
Speaker 8: the neighborhood to his little girlfriend. That's the next scene
Speaker 8: I have.
Speaker 9: Not signed right, just to finish off when they went
Speaker 9: into Walter's house to check if he was alive, there's
Speaker 9: a photo of Walter and Lucy ll Ball on one
Speaker 9: of the side Cabinets group, which is interesting because Walter
Speaker 9: is played by a man named Gordon, who actually was
Speaker 9: a character on a lot of Lucy's Bowl shows. I
Speaker 9: Love Lucy my favorite husband, and they were on these
Speaker 9: television shows together. Now, this could just be a wink
Speaker 9: and a nod within Hollywood that these people worked together before.
Speaker 9: But Lucille Bolin in herself has a conspiratorial background surrounding.
Speaker 8: Because she does. But you know, Drew, this is why
Speaker 8: I say, and I'm so glad you brought that up,
Speaker 8: because I know I've already said this. But when people
Speaker 8: say that we grasp at straws or we're splitting hairs
Speaker 8: when we do episodes like this, because we're looking at
Speaker 8: the background, we're looking at all these minute details, and
Speaker 8: they think that it's just a coincidence or we're you know,
Speaker 8: trying to make it something that it's not. But putting
Speaker 8: all those little clues in there, that's not an accident.
Speaker 8: Like he, like the director he directed Gremlins, puts the
Speaker 8: gremlin cereal in there. You know, the small little details
Speaker 8: like that are on purpose. And so having that picture
Speaker 8: sitting there, that wasn't an accident. You know, there is
Speaker 8: stuff going on in the back round of these movies.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the average person would say that these are easter
Speaker 9: eggs or little just nuggets put in the artistic flare.
Speaker 9: But I tend to think that there's probably a bit
Speaker 9: more revelation of the method and kind of showing their
Speaker 9: hand without overtly saying it, and doing it through symbolism
Speaker 9: of having things in the background, in the foreground, hidden
Speaker 9: away in dialogue, that type of.
Speaker 8: Thing, and like the imagery, you know, even if it's
Speaker 8: just a flash of a second of seeing something like that,
Speaker 8: you may have not processed it, but it went into
Speaker 8: your mind, you know.
Speaker 15: And so the.
Speaker 8: Next notes that I have is that Corey Feldman is
Speaker 8: saying watching people in his neighborhood is more entertaining than
Speaker 8: going to the movies because it's real. And I was like,
Speaker 8: isn't that the truth? Because reality is always stranger than fiction.
Speaker 8: And the way Corey describes living in that neighborhood, it's
Speaker 8: very stuck in the matrix c kind of vibe because
Speaker 8: everyone has a routine. It's almost like the Truman Show.
Speaker 8: He knows exactly what each of his neighbors does at
Speaker 8: each you know, given time. Oh, he's about to walk
Speaker 8: out of his door and say he's taking the dog
Speaker 8: for a while. Oh, he's doing this, always doing that.
Speaker 8: And it does tend to be like that when you
Speaker 8: live in neighborhoods that are so you get up, you
Speaker 8: nine to five, it, you come home, you watch the
Speaker 8: same show at night, you do your little routine. It's
Speaker 8: very stuck in the matrixy. It's really a study in
Speaker 8: human psychology almost how people get stuck in these matrix neighborhoods.
Speaker 8: It's almost like is anything real? The only thing that
Speaker 8: seems real to me is the Clopex.
Speaker 9: That dialogue that where he says that it's everything here
Speaker 9: is real, it's better than television. It throws away to
Speaker 9: a lawn Later in the film, which I've got to mention.
Speaker 9: Now Tom Hank's a main character. He goes on a
Speaker 9: bit of a rant about how you know the Klopex
Speaker 9: were good people and where you were the monsters all
Speaker 9: arong along where the bear guys, where the evildoers? Well,
Speaker 9: was that just revelation of the method in himself? Considering
Speaker 9: the controversy surrounding Tom Hanks and Podesta emails and Pizza Gates,
Speaker 9: is he just putting it out in the open telling
Speaker 9: people what really is going on allegedly.
Speaker 16: Oh good catch, Like we are the monsters and the
Speaker 16: ones that we make out to be the monsters are not,
Speaker 16: even though they were, but it's like in that context, yeah,
Speaker 16: that's good.
Speaker 8: That was a good catch. Did you have anything before
Speaker 8: Hans drives to the end of the street and beats
Speaker 8: the garbage with a stick.
Speaker 10: I've never seen that.
Speaker 13: I never seen anybody drive their garbage down to the
Speaker 13: street and then bang the hell out of it with
Speaker 13: a stick going I've never seen that.
Speaker 9: I don't I just had the way in which he
Speaker 9: was really going to town on my cottage.
Speaker 5: That's one of.
Speaker 8: My favorite seats is like, who do you know that
Speaker 8: drives their trash down to the end of the street
Speaker 8: and then beats it with a stick?
Speaker 9: Well, this is a funny thing because some driveways in
Speaker 9: Australia can be kilometers long at some point, So my
Speaker 9: wife's family home, where my father still lives, you literally
Speaker 9: have to drive half a kilometer down the road.
Speaker 8: He beat it with his stick, though.
Speaker 9: Sometimes depends on how.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I hope he's not a redhead. Is
Speaker 8: fucking Hans Hans is your father in law?
Speaker 9: Quite, but.
Speaker 8: So I actually have some notes on the next morning,
Speaker 8: after Hans beats the shit out of the garbage with
Speaker 8: the stick. Should I go first or should.
Speaker 9: You please go for it? Let me value it?
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 8: So one of the garbage men has a rainbow badge
Speaker 8: on his coverall okay, and he's talking about metaphysics and
Speaker 8: quote unquote the power of crystals, blah blah blah, literally
Speaker 8: talking about witchcraft and tells the other guy he needs
Speaker 8: to open himself up and talking about the laying on
Speaker 8: of hands and shit, and he's wearing this Democrat pin
Speaker 8: on the other side of his Coverall that, says McCarty.
Speaker 8: And so this dude, I mean, you can break in
Speaker 8: and tell me what you think. But I mean I
Speaker 8: never noticed that until I watched it yesterday about that
Speaker 8: conversation they were having.
Speaker 9: Well, likewise, I knew you'd pick up on the crystals
Speaker 9: and the metaphysical stuff, so I didn't take too many
Speaker 9: nights on it. But I found it really interesting that
Speaker 9: it was the Democrat.
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 9: What's going on with.
Speaker 8: The rainbow badge?
Speaker 9: The inversion of the rainbow? Right, the rainbow and Christian
Speaker 9: theology is God's promised not to flood the world again,
Speaker 9: but for the Ages that means something completely different. And
Speaker 9: he had almost like this weird dialectical conversation with the
Speaker 9: garbage man who is from Grimlins. You know, Dante's just
Speaker 9: re using the same cast, exact same character too.
Speaker 8: He's the conspiracy theorist in the Grimminals, Yeah.
Speaker 9: Right, and he's having this conversation about you, like you said,
Speaker 9: the metaphysicals of the world and how you can lay
Speaker 9: hands on people healing, this new age type of approach.
Speaker 9: And this guy's very much a grounded, solid blue collar
Speaker 9: worker just wants to put the rubbish in the bin.
Speaker 9: And this is where we see our art run over,
Speaker 9: grab the rubbish and start just dumping it on the ground,
Speaker 9: and he starts going through like the legal ease of
Speaker 9: things you have according to the law. You know, people
Speaker 9: have access to garbage. Once it's on the side of
Speaker 9: the road, it's becomes public domain. So they're very much
Speaker 9: focusing on some legal le's that I thought was very strange.
Speaker 9: Can see in the context of the film, and.
Speaker 8: It's almost like, of course, the Democrat guy with the
Speaker 8: rainbow stick around his coveralls is the one that's like
Speaker 8: you can't tell him he can't throw garbage in the
Speaker 8: street and all the and then the person with the
Speaker 8: common sense that's got to pick it all up is like,
Speaker 8: what the fuck are you doing throw garbage in the street.
Speaker 8: It's almost like the juxtaposition of people who are in
Speaker 8: their right mind and people who are not. He's literally
Speaker 8: just got done talking about laying on of hands and
Speaker 8: crystals and metaphysical and you need to change your life
Speaker 8: and talking about witchcraft, and then the other guy's like,
Speaker 8: you're fucking bonkers. And he's also the one that's like,
Speaker 8: why the fuck are you thrown trash in the street,
Speaker 8: Like he's he's the grounded, common sense guy, and the
Speaker 8: other guy's in fucking lala land somewhere, like what does
Speaker 8: that sound like that it's still a problem?
Speaker 9: Well, it sounds like it sounds like a little sayg
Speaker 9: that we're familiar with, do what thous wilt m people
Speaker 9: just doing what they want. And it gets to the
Speaker 9: point where the garbage man's like, can you help this
Speaker 9: guy out, like, you know, stop the guy from putting
Speaker 9: robbish on the ground, And what's he doing? Helps him?
Speaker 8: Yeah, he starts putting more garbage on the ground. That's
Speaker 8: the thing, though, isn't it. It's such a like that
Speaker 8: scene in even in itself is kind of like telling
Speaker 8: of a lot of things.
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Speaker 8: But so I don't know how quickly this next scene happens.
Speaker 8: But my notes go to when they're in the basement
Speaker 8: with the uh Demonology book? Did you have anything before that?
Speaker 9: No, you keep going, okay, so let's.
Speaker 8: Keep the They're in the basement. I actually had this.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you remember or ever heard it,
Speaker 8: but I had this scene as my intro to my showy.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yes, this has always been near and dear to my
Speaker 8: heart because I find it absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 9: Oh, I can't believe you're still bringing that out.
Speaker 10: Dream A plane was going to crash, or it took
Speaker 10: the bus to Las Vegas.
Speaker 12: If I'd have been on the plane it went a crash,
Speaker 12: And it doesn't matter. This was in a dream. This
Speaker 12: was a vision. I'm telling you. These people are Satanists.
Speaker 12: As I sit here, they are Satanists.
Speaker 17: Look.
Speaker 21: Look, the world is all of these kind of things.
Speaker 12: Look at this black masses, mutilations, mutilations, the ink us,
Speaker 12: the suck of us. I'm telling you, Walter was a
Speaker 12: human sacrifice.
Speaker 11: You should have gone to the lake.
Speaker 12: I should listen to your wife who listens to their wife.
Speaker 21: Listen, you gotta listen to me. You know what deal is.
Speaker 21: What we gotta do is we gotta go down to
Speaker 21: the religious supply store. We gotta get ourselves a couple
Speaker 21: of gallons of holy water. My cousin Jerry's a preat
Speaker 21: you can get us a deal. No, no, we gotta
Speaker 21: then we gotta go to the market. We gotta get
Speaker 21: ourselves a couple of those big strings. You know they
Speaker 21: string that garlic, A couple of big strings of garlic.
Speaker 12: We gotta get ourselves some fresh lambs blood, and then
Speaker 12: we gotta ray. Do you want them to take your
Speaker 12: family kidnap and tear their livers out and make some
Speaker 12: kind of satanic pante I'm not going to Hey, you're chanting,
Speaker 12: unconscious chanting. You're chanting.
Speaker 10: I want to kill everyone.
Speaker 6: Satan is good, Satan is our pal.
Speaker 12: Ray, ray, you're chanting. Hey, once they get in here,
Speaker 12: it's over.
Speaker 10: Pal.
Speaker 8: They're reading a book called The Theory and Practice of
Speaker 8: Demonology by Julian Carswell, and I did a lot of
Speaker 8: looking that I didn't ever do before because we're doing
Speaker 8: this episode. But doctor Julian Carswell was a character in
Speaker 8: the British horror film Night of the Demon from nineteen
Speaker 8: fifty seven, which in which an American psychologist travels to
Speaker 8: England to investigate a Satanic cult and it turned out
Speaker 8: that doctor Julian Carswell was the leader of the cult.
Speaker 8: So it's one of those twist m night Shyamalan fucking endings,
Speaker 8: and that this is the book they're reading in you know,
Speaker 8: it's not a real book, but this is where a
Speaker 8: lot of the conspiracy theories come from, because he's down
Speaker 8: there and he's like, they're gonna they're gonna tear your
Speaker 8: livers out and turn him into a Satanic pat and
Speaker 8: all this stuff. And he's like, I'm not going to
Speaker 8: listen to this.
Speaker 9: I'm not going to chance chess.
Speaker 8: You're chanting. Once they get in here, it's all over pale.
Speaker 8: Like That's why I say I'm art, because I have
Speaker 8: a tendency to go to tin with stuff like this,
Speaker 8: and that sounds like me talking to people about stuff
Speaker 8: like that are not really into conspiracies. I'm like, listen,
Speaker 8: they're coming for your kids. They're coming from and they're
Speaker 8: like calm down, calm down, Like fucked, this.
Speaker 9: Is stacking up more and more I think is the sacred,
Speaker 9: like actual practicing occultist, Like he's he's.
Speaker 8: Gotta be because he's so into it.
Speaker 9: He's got the book, he knows all about it. You
Speaker 9: could say, yeah, that's conspiratorial level understanding. He shoots the
Speaker 9: head off an l with which I think was intentional.
Speaker 9: He was also trying to kill a crow or a raven,
Speaker 9: and the crow a raven is symbolic of the eyes
Speaker 9: of odin being able to view and say things. So
Speaker 9: it's almost as if he's trying to take out the
Speaker 9: competing criminal syndicates within the area. Like he sees this
Speaker 9: level of occultism and groups, and he's got his own
Speaker 9: little control on the town.
Speaker 8: That is interesting, And he's got the scoop on all
Speaker 8: the murderers and shit, he's got his wife's out of
Speaker 8: town so he can do whatever he wants. He's at
Speaker 8: home by himself. I mean, it is kind of crazy,
Speaker 8: but yeah, that's one of the best scenes in the
Speaker 8: entire movie in my opinion, because it's so it's just
Speaker 8: pure comedy. And the next bit of notes I have,
Speaker 8: unless you have anything else about that scene, no, that's it.
Speaker 8: So Ray goes upstairs and he's watching TV. He's trying
Speaker 8: to like wind down, and he flips through through three channels,
Speaker 8: specifically three channels all playing horror films, and a couple
Speaker 8: of them you will know what they are right off
Speaker 8: the bat. At least I Died the Exorsus nineteen seventy
Speaker 8: three and The Chainsaw Massacre Part two easily identifiable. But
Speaker 8: the first movie showing the ritual murder of a woman
Speaker 8: behind a bonfire is not as easily recognizable, and it
Speaker 8: actually comes from a horror film called Race with the
Speaker 8: Devil from nineteen seventy five, in which motorists accidentally witness
Speaker 8: a satanic ritual and have to fight for their lives.
Speaker 8: So what do you think about that? And like the
Speaker 8: whole dream sequence, Well.
Speaker 9: It's a bit on the nose that all three of
Speaker 9: those shows are on prime time television at the same
Speaker 9: exact time, right, yeah, that one right after Yeah, It
Speaker 9: leads into the dream sequence of a main character, and
Speaker 9: each of those elements appear and is not mere. So
Speaker 9: we start off with he's going down the stairs and
Speaker 9: the chainsaw comes through the wall. He tries to escape it,
Speaker 9: and he ends up on this barbecue, which is almost
Speaker 9: like the sacrifice scene from the first film, yep, and
Speaker 9: then we get skip the appearance of our serial killer
Speaker 9: and he comes in. Yeah, it's almost foreboding of what's
Speaker 9: going to happen later in the film. In a lot
Speaker 9: of ways that we know that. It gives us a
Speaker 9: real glimpse into the colpex, who they are, and maybe
Speaker 9: the satanic kind of background behind them and their practices
Speaker 9: as a people.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And if you notice, in the dream sequence, everything is blue,
Speaker 8: Like I was saying, very interesting to me, how they
Speaker 8: use colors in certain ways. Everything's blue in the dream sequence,
Speaker 8: and he wakes up to mister Rogers.
Speaker 9: He does. Ironically, he later plays mister Rogers career it's right,
Speaker 9: that's right, a beautiful day in twenty nineteen. He would
Speaker 9: later go to play Red.
Speaker 8: That's interesting. I forgot about that. I forgot about that.
Speaker 8: I mean his pedo ass of course he would volunteer
Speaker 8: to play anything that's connected to having children around.
Speaker 9: But just very ironic, because do you know what Tom
Speaker 9: Hanks was adamant against being in this film. What he
Speaker 9: fought Dante on this every single way he could. He
Speaker 9: did not want to play a father. He didn't want
Speaker 9: to be around kids.
Speaker 8: Why, oh, why uh, but yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 9: Didn't want to be a father, and according to the
Speaker 9: mainstream approaches, he didn't want it to impact his career
Speaker 9: where he was typecast as a father for the rest
Speaker 9: of his life. But he went from big where you're
Speaker 9: surrounded by children, went into the burbs where he didn't
Speaker 9: want to be surrounded by kids. That almost sounds like
Speaker 9: someone who has an addiction. And first off in Big
Speaker 9: was made a year before this. He was surrounded by
Speaker 9: it and had the of something allegedly then moved on.
Speaker 9: He has almost had that like where addicts go. No, no,
Speaker 9: I can go on the straight. Now I just have
Speaker 9: to distance myself from it. I can't be around it.
Speaker 8: Like the odd like the alcoholic that doesn't want to
Speaker 8: take one more drink.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, the day before they're on the biggest bend
Speaker 9: there of the life, and the next day they wake
Speaker 9: up and they start pouring the rest of the alcohol
Speaker 9: down the drain. It's almost like he slipped on a script.
Speaker 8: Wait till I tell my sister, because even while we
Speaker 8: were watching this, she was like, Julie, I don't want
Speaker 8: to believe that he was doing stuff to kids, And
Speaker 8: I said, I know, Sis, but it's this is the
Speaker 8: world we live in. This is the reality. Now I'm
Speaker 8: going to tell her that shit, she's really gonna fucking blow.
Speaker 8: It's gonna blow the tits off her chest. Because I
Speaker 8: did not know that. I did not know that. And
Speaker 8: but he still went on to like do stuff around kids,
Speaker 8: obviously because he just went full on into it because
Speaker 8: he wanted to become Tom Hanks. You know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, and this is this is where we get
Speaker 9: into the really deep sadie side of things. Corey Feldman
Speaker 9: has publicly come outultiple times in interviews saying that there's
Speaker 9: a pedophile problem in Hollywood and both he and Corey
Speaker 9: Haim were victims of the abuse on set by directors
Speaker 9: and prominent actors. He's never come out and publicly named them,
Speaker 9: but it's very, very telling that Corey Feldman would go
Speaker 9: into this one of his last big name films and
Speaker 9: then disappear. It's like this was one of his last films,
Speaker 9: so much so that there's talk between what was going
Speaker 9: on behind the scenes. Carrie Fisher was one of his
Speaker 9: confidants and spoke to this guy every day just to
Speaker 9: keep him on the straight and narrow. To finish the
Speaker 9: film because he was losing his mind. He was about
Speaker 9: to completely lose himself, and she kept him on set.
Speaker 9: So was there something on set around him that was
Speaker 9: a previous abuser? Allegedly that could be true. We don't know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, fuck have you seen him recently, Drew? Yeah,
Speaker 8: he thinks he's like the generic Michael Jackson, and he's
Speaker 8: like the fucking he's like fucking doing all this shit
Speaker 8: like wow and stuff.
Speaker 9: Because he was friends with Michael Jackson. Guess who visited
Speaker 9: the set Michael during the film. Michael Jackson and Bubbles
Speaker 9: the Monkey was often on set on the burbs.
Speaker 8: Yep, really, you got MJ and Tom Hanks.
Speaker 9: All on set? Whoa with Corey Feldman, the guy who
Speaker 9: was supposedly molested by Hollywood of lights.
Speaker 8: Dude, he's come off as rocker. He's like out of
Speaker 8: his fucking medulla. He is totally bonkers, bonkers in his
Speaker 8: little MJ act like nobody's buying it. Corey, you don't
Speaker 8: fucking look like Michael when you do that shit, you
Speaker 8: look like you have fucking Parkinson's. He looks more like
Speaker 8: Michael J. Fox than Michael Jackson.
Speaker 9: Okay, he looks like serious.
Speaker 8: But this is the world we live in and everybody's
Speaker 8: blown smoke up his ass Like good job, Corey, Like
Speaker 8: I get it.
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Speaker 8: He's been through a lot of stuff in his life,
Speaker 8: but it doesn't mean he's he's a great musician or anything.
Speaker 8: I feel sorry for him when I see him, like
Speaker 8: it hurts my heart because he's so screwed up.
Speaker 9: I feel really sorry for the guy because he came
Speaker 9: out roughly the same time as the Me Too movement.
Speaker 9: Everyone believed the victims of Me Too.
Speaker 8: He came out, Drew, Drew, your thing is cut out.
Speaker 8: Your sound is cut out. Yep, it's muted. I can't
Speaker 8: hear yet. Fuck oh back back, go ahead.
Speaker 9: That's right, why we'll do so. The interesting thing is
Speaker 9: that Corey came out during the Me Too movement with
Speaker 9: his allegations. All the attention, all the black went to
Speaker 9: the victims of me too, with prominent businessmen, actors, directors.
Speaker 9: They are all believed. Corey Felman comes out with groundbreaking
Speaker 9: allegations and things that should be investigated, swept under the rug,
Speaker 9: and he started.
Speaker 8: Some of the worst dude, like the stuff about the
Speaker 8: Crisco and all the very very intense abuse. So and
Speaker 8: the poor guy, I'm telling you, it's just it's sad.
Speaker 8: It's sad. But and Corey Ham too. I mean that
Speaker 8: shit is just the worst shit I've ever heard, well,
Speaker 8: not ever heard, but it's it's up there. I mean,
Speaker 8: it's really bad. I just can't when I go back
Speaker 8: and watch these movies.
Speaker 18: Though.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you do this, but almost just
Speaker 8: if I want to watch the movie, I just I
Speaker 8: can't think about it.
Speaker 9: No, you have to like almost put yourself into a
Speaker 9: state of just watching, like a vegetative state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, enjoy, Like.
Speaker 8: Even when I watch the Goonies and stuff. I love
Speaker 8: the Truffle Shuffle. I love all those movies. You know,
Speaker 8: they're just it's just core memories for me growing up
Speaker 8: watching that ship and even the next thing I have
Speaker 8: in my notes is one of the funnier lines after
Speaker 8: the dream sequence that they have Rumsfield and Art come
Speaker 8: over to the house like their.
Speaker 16: Kids, asking can.
Speaker 9: You come out and play?
Speaker 21: Come on, we've got a plan, Come on, we.
Speaker 17: Got sorry boys. My husband's not feeling well. He has
Speaker 17: to stay in his room. Oh come on, please, Carol,
Speaker 17: let him come out.
Speaker 11: Come on.
Speaker 21: He can't come out until he resembles the man that
Speaker 21: I'm married, Carol.
Speaker 17: We don't have that kind of time.
Speaker 21: Please let him come on, come on, I think that
Speaker 21: I have given you my answer.
Speaker 8: And Carol goes, he can't come out until he resembles
Speaker 8: the man I married, and Art goes, Carol, we don't
Speaker 8: have that kind of time.
Speaker 9: He even does the thing where he kicks the ground.
Speaker 9: He's like a friend, yeah, oh, and.
Speaker 8: This is where I don't know if you have anything
Speaker 8: after that, but arn't slips this. I know what you
Speaker 8: did last summer note under the door.
Speaker 9: And yeah he's like yeah, he says. He comes over
Speaker 9: and he tells hims like I slipped a note under
Speaker 9: the door, when in the sequence he actually slipped it
Speaker 9: through the mail slot. Could just be a saying anyway.
Speaker 9: He's out there talking and as they're having this argument
Speaker 9: about like, you know, you're being too conspiratorial. There's nothing
Speaker 9: to it. I just want to relax and have some
Speaker 9: beers on my time off. The dog has a femur,
Speaker 9: a human femur, in his mouth and he's running up
Speaker 9: and they're throwing it. The whole time. They touched like
Speaker 9: three or four times during this sequence, and he goes,
Speaker 9: do you know what this is? It's a bone? Why
Speaker 9: I throws it again. No, this is a fema. Yeah,
Speaker 9: do you know intro to biology? This is a human femur.
Speaker 13: Do you know what this is?
Speaker 11: It's a bond.
Speaker 10: It's a femur bond. A femur just happens to be
Speaker 10: a human thigh bone.
Speaker 11: Right, wait, how do you know that biology?
Speaker 8: One on one?
Speaker 10: I mean, look at the size of this thing.
Speaker 21: I think this came off a chicken or something.
Speaker 10: Where the hell the vins get this?
Speaker 9: He dug it up from underneath the fence and.
Speaker 8: He looks that right, He goes, you think this came
Speaker 8: off a chicken or something.
Speaker 9: You think it came off a chicken. Then then they
Speaker 9: noticed someone's walking around in the backyard of the clopex,
Speaker 9: and we say, the shadowy figure walk past the slats,
Speaker 9: and then the piece of paper gets thrown over, and
Speaker 9: we naturally know that it's the note again, and he goes, oh,
Speaker 9: what is that And he goes, oh, could just be
Speaker 9: a bit of rubbish or saat, maybe it's my note
Speaker 9: And he freaks out and he's cracking it. And this
Speaker 9: is the where the wives really take over. They try
Speaker 9: to be the common sense approach to this, and they
Speaker 9: try to stomp it out. Fucking fucking whole scene. Everything,
Speaker 9: this whole scene foreshadows what's about to happen. So when
Speaker 9: the dog finds the femur, we get the great foreshadowing.
Speaker 9: After they find it, Carol says, before anyone falls off
Speaker 9: a roof or sets themselves on fire, let me put
Speaker 9: an end to this right now. Later on the film,
Speaker 9: Rumsfeld falls off a roof and Ray sets himself on
Speaker 9: fire with the explosion.
Speaker 8: Yep, yep, yep, yep. One hundred, one hundred and so
Speaker 8: my next bit of notes is when they go over
Speaker 8: to the house, I found two things, and one of
Speaker 8: them I found from an article about the movie. Actually,
Speaker 8: it said that filmmakers inserted several visual clues that things
Speaker 8: aren't what they appear, and when they first get to
Speaker 8: the Clopex house there's a sh shatto of a noose
Speaker 8: on the wall. One and then it also said it's
Speaker 8: easy to miss if you're not looking for it, but
Speaker 8: when Reuben walks past the front door, the window frame
Speaker 8: forms a large backlit inverted cross, which of course is
Speaker 8: the anti Christianity symbol in pop culture. So those were
Speaker 8: two things I don't know about. You, Drew, if I
Speaker 8: wouldn't have read that article about it. I fucking I
Speaker 8: don't know if I would have seen that shit in
Speaker 8: the movie.
Speaker 9: But I didn't catch the.
Speaker 8: Other one, the inverted cross.
Speaker 9: Did not catch that one.
Speaker 8: If you go back and watch it, you'll see it
Speaker 8: and it's like, damn, it's like right there. But of
Speaker 8: course everything is right. It's right in plain sight and
Speaker 8: you're just not looking for it. Before they get into
Speaker 8: the house, though, fucking. Another pure comedy moment is when
Speaker 8: Rumsfield steps through the porch and he's like, go there
Speaker 8: goes the goddamn brownies. Brownie's flying everywhere. She picks them up.
Speaker 8: They got fucking leaves and shit on them. Something for
Speaker 8: the old sweet tooth.
Speaker 9: And you see this house inside it hasn't changed since
Speaker 9: it's been built.
Speaker 8: No, it looks like dark shadows, right. It looks like
Speaker 8: Barnabas Colling shit in there.
Speaker 9: Which leads you to think where the original people own
Speaker 9: the house shadier and not of the up and up themselves,
Speaker 9: because nothing has changed in this house. The door knocker,
Speaker 9: a lot of the artwork that we see in the
Speaker 9: houses of the original household, they haven't really changed anything.
Speaker 8: Now this brings up a good point because we know
Speaker 8: later on that they murdered the naps, but when in
Speaker 8: this moment is pure comedy as well, when he goes,
Speaker 8: oh that's a pretty girl.
Speaker 11: Oh, pretty girl, fund yours no game with the frame?
Speaker 11: Game with the frame?
Speaker 8: Yes, because it came with the frame. Is that did
Speaker 8: it really come with the frame? Or is that like
Speaker 8: the naps, like family photos and shit that they just
Speaker 8: never like dig down?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Is it something that they like take as a
Speaker 9: trophy when they've killed people?
Speaker 8: Because the great he said it came with the frame,
Speaker 8: but we don't know that. We don't know that a
Speaker 8: game with the frame that could be like somebody else's
Speaker 8: whole family pictures in there. I mean they murdered the
Speaker 8: naps and just kind of moved in.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Did you notice when the doctor was coming up
Speaker 9: from the basement that his shadow actually defied the laws
Speaker 9: of physics?
Speaker 17: Oh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure, because he's like a midget.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but actually where the light source was coming from,
Speaker 9: it looked as if the shadow was moving out from
Speaker 9: the wall towards the people. Ooh, it's going up the stairs.
Speaker 9: So it's almost like there's be foreshadowing of something coming
Speaker 9: before him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I don't really have a lot else of
Speaker 8: notes from when they're in the house other than than.
Speaker 9: Sardines. Impressed gardine.
Speaker 8: Dude, the sardine sardine.
Speaker 9: M m.
Speaker 7: M m h m hmmm.
Speaker 17: So how are you enjoying Hinckley Hills.
Speaker 10: We just love it.
Speaker 8: He's like eating it with that little tiny pretzel, and
Speaker 8: I just this is why I say like, I can't,
Speaker 8: I can't cancel these movies because I used to laugh
Speaker 8: so hard I fucking needed a bladdersling after watching this
Speaker 8: movie because when he puts that little fucking sardine on
Speaker 8: the pretzel and choose it up, I mean just hilarious, hilarious,
Speaker 8: And the candles on the table.
Speaker 9: Uh, I thought it would be romantic for the ladies.
Speaker 8: Yeah, painting and shit. Yeah, no, it's just there's too much.
Speaker 8: There's too much. It's just so funny. Did you have
Speaker 8: any other notes though from the when they the first.
Speaker 9: Visit, So just on the Rumsfeld playing with the painting.
Speaker 9: It's a painting of like an open surgery, and Rumsfeld's
Speaker 9: trying to figure out which orientation it goes, and Rumsfeld
Speaker 9: keeps putting it from the patient's perspective. So the orientation
Speaker 9: of you of the patient looking up and when the
Speaker 9: doctor comes along lighter to Ray said it, he sets
Speaker 9: it to his perspective of Hay's doing the surgery mm hmm.
Speaker 9: And he makes it that he's been painting down in
Speaker 9: the basement and that's what the red was on his hands.
Speaker 9: It was paint right.
Speaker 8: Right right, yeah. And I paused it on a couple
Speaker 8: of different scenes when he's flipping it because I was like.
Speaker 5: What what it really is it?
Speaker 8: And if you flip it in a certain way you
Speaker 8: can kind of tell like it's an open heart surgery
Speaker 8: or whatever. But I always thought that that part of
Speaker 8: the kitchen Chloe Peck kitchen scene was kind of interesting
Speaker 8: because the doctor guy is such a pompous ass and
Speaker 8: you can tell they're fucking hiding something. He's the only
Speaker 8: one that's openly social and shit, and those are always
Speaker 8: the ones that are the most fucked up, Like the
Speaker 8: other two are visibly fucked up. Hans looks like he
Speaker 8: just came out of a concentration camp, fucking the but
Speaker 8: the doctor guy, he's just so debonair and you know,
Speaker 8: it's like, what are you really up to? Doctor Kloepeck.
Speaker 9: And this is where he gets into the we start
Speaker 9: to have a seeding of doubt that maybe the wife's
Speaker 9: are right all along, there's nothing about these people that
Speaker 9: they're just being conspiratorial. And he talks it's about they've
Speaker 9: had to move multiple times, and you know, because of
Speaker 9: the university, and they've just moved into the town and
Speaker 9: they haven't had a chance to meet with people, blah
Speaker 9: blah blah. The whole time we have our Vietnam vet
Speaker 9: just drilling them through information. Is that a Slavic name? No, verydly, no,
Speaker 9: it's not Slavic. And he's asking all these niggling little
Speaker 9: questions hoping that they'll slip up, and they don't. And
Speaker 9: he gets to the point where he says, well, we're
Speaker 9: going to be out of the house tomorrow. We've got
Speaker 9: to go to the university about possibly moving again. And
Speaker 9: their eyes kind of prick up like awesome, they're going
Speaker 9: to be out of the house. That's our window for opportunity.
Speaker 9: They leave the house and he's then the wives like, see,
Speaker 9: you boys were just going crazy? Is nothing to it, okay?
Speaker 9: And the men go down into like the man cave
Speaker 9: and they're having a beer and he's like, are you
Speaker 9: siding with the girls. Now, how are you beginning to
Speaker 9: chick show us your balls? You have balls or not?
Speaker 9: And Tom Hanks starts to riffle around and he's very
Speaker 9: short shorts. Well, man, we'll just kidding. You don't need
Speaker 9: to show us. He pulls out the two pay of
Speaker 9: the neighbor who's disappeared, the two pay that was originally
Speaker 9: seen in the house. So we now get the idea
Speaker 9: that the Klopex have gone into the house, they've taken
Speaker 9: the two pays. So the men are running with the
Speaker 9: idea that they've killed Walter. They've taken the two pay
Speaker 9: as like a souvenir. And they get to the grand
Speaker 9: plan of they're out tomorrow that at the university all day.
Speaker 9: That's when we're going in that backyard. I'm scaling that fence.
Speaker 8: There's another digging scene too that like kind of adds
Speaker 8: to the like, what the fuck are they digging for?
Speaker 8: It never really says, now the bones in the trunk,
Speaker 8: What the fuck were they digging in.
Speaker 9: The middle of the not during Rhine.
Speaker 8: Star his fuck and yeah, just digging and shit. And
Speaker 8: so they come up with this master plan They're gonna
Speaker 8: break into the house while they're out and fucking Art
Speaker 8: has to cut this electrical line. Oh my god, this
Speaker 8: is why I say I'm Art, because that's some shit
Speaker 8: I would do. Fucking electriccute myself up and down the
Speaker 8: fucking neighborhood. His fucking fingernails are black, the fillings in
Speaker 8: his teeth are boiling lava hot. He goes to like
Speaker 8: get something out of his wallet later, all of his
Speaker 8: freaking credit cards and sh it's just, oh god, it's
Speaker 8: so funny, and like Tom Hanks is totally in because
Speaker 8: like he thinks they killed Walter. So when they break
Speaker 8: in the house, they're down in the basement freaking shoveling
Speaker 8: down to like the sewer lines and shit, and they
Speaker 8: don't find anything. They find nothing in the house.
Speaker 9: This is the using thing about Art again. He likes
Speaker 9: to wear costumes or disguises. He dresses up in golf
Speaker 9: clothes to sell deal. Oh, we're gonna go play some
Speaker 9: golf later. Do you think she bought it? Then in
Speaker 9: this scene he's wearing an electrical company shirt and overalls,
Speaker 9: Like does he actually work for the electrical company or
Speaker 9: is that another disguise this guy has Because he's starting
Speaker 9: to become very suspicious.
Speaker 8: Literally, he's literally like have you ever watched Pineapple Express? Yeah,
Speaker 8: he's like the guy who serves people. He's got all
Speaker 8: these costumes and shit, he's a doctor. But it just
Speaker 8: makes you wonder, like, art, what do you do?
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Speaker 13: What do you do? Art?
Speaker 9: Please doesn't mention it at all in the shop.
Speaker 8: No, he just has costumes on costumes, just hidden in
Speaker 8: his house.
Speaker 9: Sorry, as you said, They test the fence, security alarm
Speaker 9: doesn't go off. They've cut the power, ends up cutting
Speaker 9: the power for the entire street, maybe even half the town.
Speaker 9: They scale the fence and we get these time lapse
Speaker 9: where there's no holes in sudden there's holes all over
Speaker 9: the backyard and Art's being extremely lazy laying in one
Speaker 9: of the holes. He's like, how are you going to
Speaker 9: find anything? Is? I don't know. Maybe you could start
Speaker 9: digging your own hole. He's like, oh, you know, but
Speaker 9: I've done this and I've done that, and I fell
Speaker 9: out of the powerpole, my fingers hurt, blah blah blah.
Speaker 9: Maybe we should check the basement. And this is where
Speaker 9: they go in. And they go down to the basement
Speaker 9: and the furnace is very prominent in this scene. The
Speaker 9: furnace has the exact same symbol of a demonic entity
Speaker 9: on it from the door knocker, from the door knocker,
Speaker 9: the exact same one. So this is already in the house.
Speaker 9: They haven't brought this with them. They did make some
Speaker 9: adjustments to it, as we see with the rigged up
Speaker 9: yacht batteries and the furnace being much higher and higher
Speaker 9: than it should be. But it has the entity's name
Speaker 9: on it. It says on the top of it Ata
Speaker 9: a a r Ata was the god of fire and
Speaker 9: the element itself, son of Ahura master. He's depicted as
Speaker 9: a flame and follows behind Mithtress's chariot into battle. Fire
Speaker 9: was considered the presence of Ata himself in rich rules
Speaker 9: and after the rise of zoo Astrianism, and is present
Speaker 9: in the horror Mazda worship. So this is like an
Speaker 9: ancient Iranian god. Right. Fuck they fied the god of
Speaker 9: firesonification of flame itself. What do we see leap out
Speaker 9: of this furnace? Huge amounts of flame?
Speaker 8: Dude, drew you fucking crushed that. I didn't even worst that.
Speaker 9: The worst part is it says something underneath it in
Speaker 9: a script, and it says something something cometh and it's
Speaker 9: I can't make it, but it's Ata something something cometh.
Speaker 8: Fuck, dude, that is intense. That is intense. And they
Speaker 8: got it on the door knocker too. So it's like
Speaker 8: when you come in the house, you're like.
Speaker 9: What are you like?
Speaker 8: Like, like Corey Feldman said in the Sentinel, like they
Speaker 8: opened up a portal into hell in the guy's apartment
Speaker 8: or whatever. It is the same thing. When you walk
Speaker 8: into the house, you're walking into some type of fucking
Speaker 8: god knows what. But I did not see that on
Speaker 8: the furnace. Great catch, ten out of ten, great catch.
Speaker 9: And this is where we break into. They figure out
Speaker 9: the furnace burns way too hot, and they make the
Speaker 9: connection with you know, furnaces that burn this hot, they
Speaker 9: burn bodies. And he's like, they've burnt the bodies and
Speaker 9: they've buried them somewhere, and they start digging within the
Speaker 9: basement itself. They find that the soil is loose, so
Speaker 9: they start digging. And during this time, we see what's
Speaker 9: happened outside. It's become dark now and the kids are
Speaker 9: out there watching and drinking along, laughing at at our
Speaker 9: Vietnam falling off the roof, and he's going off all
Speaker 9: those great little comedy tropes. The guy's just sitting on
Speaker 9: a roof with a firearm. I don't know if that's
Speaker 9: just an American thing, but a little bit concerned, right.
Speaker 9: It runs, which it never says what he was, It
Speaker 9: never says his rank, but he's wearing a command over ray,
Speaker 9: so you would assume that he's special Forces to some degree.
Speaker 9: And he's like the spotter. He's there with the radiators
Speaker 9: and special lead.
Speaker 8: He does so much stupid ship.
Speaker 9: He just need a special helmet. He's sitting there and
Speaker 9: he's watching. He's the lookout and he communicates to Art
Speaker 9: that you know, watch out there coming. And while this
Speaker 9: is going on, we've still got Tom digging a hole
Speaker 9: in the basement. He's covering the radio with mud. He's
Speaker 9: digging that far and he's like, we've found that, we
Speaker 9: found something. We've hit it. And he goes back in
Speaker 9: and he realized he's hit a gas maine. He's like,
Speaker 9: hit a gas maine. Run just bailing like little kids again, like,
Speaker 9: oh no, we've set the house on fire. Light runs
Speaker 9: out saying there's a gas that's going to explode. And
Speaker 9: as soon as he says that house explodes behind him.
Speaker 8: And we assume he doesn't bothered to check on Raye.
Speaker 9: He was on his way out too. Ray's still within
Speaker 9: the building and the neighbors are there with the police
Speaker 9: now because they've seen that the house is being interrupted.
Speaker 9: They've called the police. Is fire, EMT ambulance. All this
Speaker 9: stuff going on, and we think raised it explosions happen.
Speaker 9: The house has collapsed, is on fire. Then Ray slowly
Speaker 9: walks out. He's staggering along. His clothes are all torn,
Speaker 9: he's burnt. He comes out. The house collapses behind him.
Speaker 9: Just as he walks out. His eye is swollen, one eye.
Speaker 9: He literally has one eye. So he walks out injured, burnt.
Speaker 9: He has the one eye swollen, that one eye symbolism.
Speaker 9: Just after this scene we see the EMT. He's got
Speaker 9: to him. They bandoned him up. They splint his pinky finger.
Speaker 9: They splint it in such a way that when he
Speaker 9: rants later on towards Art that you know where the
Speaker 9: bad guys where, the monsters where the bad people? He's
Speaker 9: pointing aunt him like this, Hello, it is Ryan.
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Speaker 9: He's pointing at him, using the Masonic symbol for the
Speaker 9: horns show Arley telling you he's telling you where the
Speaker 9: bad guys wear them, and he's actually showing it in
Speaker 9: symbolism and the horns. He's doing the horns. He's pointing
Speaker 9: out him like that, you're the monster wear the monsters.
Speaker 8: It's funny you bring that up because in my notes
Speaker 8: I have that Art when they are fighting, he bites
Speaker 8: that finger too, he does, like they make it a
Speaker 8: point to draw your attention to that hand into like
Speaker 8: the broke finger, and like, so, yeah, I mean that
Speaker 8: I didn't even notice that. That's crazy with all the
Speaker 8: other stuff that they've put in the movie, there's no
Speaker 8: way that's that's an accident.
Speaker 9: This this becomes even more interesting. Don't bite the hand
Speaker 9: that feeds you. If is really an esoteric person, He's
Speaker 9: bitten the symbol of the devil's horns. Right. What happens
Speaker 9: to Art's house later on in this sequence, fuck ambulance drive.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, damn, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 3: Fuck.
Speaker 8: I mean, there are some really funny parts of this
Speaker 8: end scene too, because he's like, I've been blown up,
Speaker 8: and you fucking.
Speaker 17: Fretcher, I've been blown up. Take me to the lot,
Speaker 17: not sick, honey. I'll just find out what hospital they're.
Speaker 1: Taking it to and then I'll.
Speaker 9: Follow right along.
Speaker 17: Okay, okay, honey, and.
Speaker 9: You fucking.
Speaker 8: Fretcher fucking throws. Yeah, and this is where we see
Speaker 8: for the first time doctor klopexass is a murdering psychopath.
Speaker 8: And he's got some unidentified green liquid and a syringe
Speaker 8: and he's like, I know you saw my skulls.
Speaker 9: I know you did.
Speaker 8: And he's like trying to get Tom Hanks and fucking
Speaker 8: is like, hello, how does it feel when people are
Speaker 8: trying to forcibly inject you? Doesn't feel nice, does it, asshole?
Speaker 8: He was I love the dialogue on the fucking vaccine.
Speaker 8: Fucking you know what I'm talking about. So it's like, exactly,
Speaker 8: fuck you.
Speaker 9: The dialogue before this is hilarious. He's laying on the beg.
Speaker 9: I'm so sorry, doctor Klopek. When I get out of jail,
Speaker 9: I'm going to help you rebuild your house. I've got
Speaker 9: to set the tools my wife's my wife's father gave
Speaker 9: them to me.
Speaker 13: I love that far.
Speaker 8: It's just pure comedy and so oh god.
Speaker 9: It's funny though that the liquid is grain.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 9: People always associate red with being an evil color. Red's
Speaker 9: really a symbol of passion, anger, ferocity. That type thing
Speaker 9: great is really the symbol of evil. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 9: a green syringe.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 9: Green is associated with lucifer as well, chrisipharius, the glowing substance,
Speaker 9: and this looks quite glowing.
Speaker 8: And that's the thing too, is I mentioned that in
Speaker 8: the John Benet episode because there is so much green
Speaker 8: that surrounds things about that case and John Beney herself.
Speaker 8: So green is actually where people should be looking, not red,
Speaker 8: not even blue, I mean, but green especially is the
Speaker 8: color to look for.
Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, and green is the combination of two primary colors,
Speaker 9: blue and yellow, which in themselves we say blue and
Speaker 9: yellow symbolism. Ever, everyone points out Ukraine, everyone points out
Speaker 9: the blue and yellow symbolism during COVID, But it's a
Speaker 9: combination of the two, which is the green, which ironically,
Speaker 9: in Australia all of our COVID vaccine advertising was on greening.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm talking about. And like I put down
Speaker 8: in my notes about like the forest injection and shit,
Speaker 8: because out of all the ways that you could kill someone,
Speaker 8: he had literally all those bodies burnt up in his
Speaker 8: basement and shit. But while all of a sudden it's
Speaker 8: he changing his mo and now he's injecting people, you know,
Speaker 8: like it just was so interesting, the forced injection thing,
Speaker 8: and Tom Hanks later in life is like trying to
Speaker 8: forcibly inject like, Oh, I'm Tom Hanks and I improved
Speaker 8: this message. Fuck you fucking doctor Clopec you fuck her
Speaker 8: like that. That was so foreshadowing of real life too,
Speaker 8: you know, kind of. And so they get in a
Speaker 8: scuffle whatever. Hans drives through Art's house and you know,
Speaker 8: they roll out of the back of the ambulance. The
Speaker 8: they hit the back of doctor Clopex's car and the
Speaker 8: trunk flies open and all the skulls are in there.
Speaker 8: Do you notice how the black guy at the end
Speaker 8: of the movie pronounces his named doctor Kloppik.
Speaker 9: This is your vehicle, doctor Clappick. He's like, are these
Speaker 9: your skulls, Doctor Kloppic, And He's just like, oh, maybe maybe.
Speaker 8: But before I say anything else, I just have to
Speaker 8: get this one last part out and then I'll let
Speaker 8: you go.
Speaker 9: Ham.
Speaker 8: The funniest part of that whole end scene is when
Speaker 8: Hans comes out of the ambulance.
Speaker 5: Hey, I know you.
Speaker 17: Where are you going? Gotcha?
Speaker 13: Don't you make a move, Sonny.
Speaker 10: I was eighteen months in the bush and I could
Speaker 10: snap your neck in a Heartbeat.
Speaker 8: And fucking Rumsfield is like, hey Pinocchio. Yeah, hilarious and
Speaker 8: also foreshadowing of real life, seeing as how Tom Hanks
Speaker 8: would go on to play Geppetto in Fucking Pinocchio.
Speaker 9: And the whole story is about pedophilia.
Speaker 8: Boom. So we got in just the last scene, we
Speaker 8: got Pinocchio, we got forced injections, We have fucking devil horns,
Speaker 8: Like is there? I probably am even forgetting some shit,
Speaker 8: but like, that's a lot this in the last couple
Speaker 8: of scenes.
Speaker 9: It's a huge amount. It's ridiculous how much you notice
Speaker 9: post watching something as a kid and enjoying it for
Speaker 9: what it was. These things pop out, and like you
Speaker 9: said earlier on in this episode, you have to train
Speaker 9: yourself when watching films now not to look for this stuff.
Speaker 9: But when you really zero Internet, the stuff pops out,
Speaker 9: and it's not reaching, it's not grasping at straws. It's
Speaker 9: very very evident when you see what they're doing, like
Speaker 9: the biting at the hand. What happens when you bite
Speaker 9: the hand that feeds you, you're punished. His house catches
Speaker 9: on fire, the two houses in the street that catch fire.
Speaker 9: The Satanists who are killing people, an arts house, an
Speaker 9: house dabbling in the occult for sure, now that you
Speaker 9: mention it.
Speaker 8: And all like this stuff he knew about. And like,
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure the book they were reading was from Art. Like,
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure that was art.
Speaker 9: It was his book.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So, I mean, did you have any other notes,
Speaker 8: like about the end part or did we pretty much
Speaker 8: crush it? We nailed it.
Speaker 9: I think he nailed it. The only other thing that
Speaker 9: I came across was that Paulie Shaw, a very young
Speaker 9: Pauli Shaw, was considered for the role of Ricky, but
Speaker 9: the director, Joe Dante, was not impressed with his audition.
Speaker 9: More so, it was Pauli Shaw's mother who put the
Speaker 9: kaibosh on it. Pauli Shaw's mother, for people who don't know,
Speaker 9: used to run the comedy store, the stand up Place La.
Speaker 9: She didn't want him getting involved in Hollywood at a
Speaker 9: young age. She wanted him to be older before he
Speaker 9: got into Hollywood. Now, a woman who's in the know
Speaker 9: was stand up comedy in that part of the world.
Speaker 9: Why would you be so protective of your child if
Speaker 9: it was all copasetic and fine, Well, maybe she knew
Speaker 9: what was going on with kids on sets especially wanted
Speaker 9: him to be of age, right right.
Speaker 8: I mean, look, it's like we were seeing earlier with
Speaker 8: Corey fucking not only you don't know what happens on set,
Speaker 8: like obviously Tom Hanks, but Michael Jackson showing up about
Speaker 8: of nowhere, and then you know, it's just do you
Speaker 8: think he's dead by the way, or you think you
Speaker 8: think that's all that's a conspiracy, the.
Speaker 9: Whole Q side of things, where he's been executed via
Speaker 9: a military tribunal.
Speaker 8: That type of jazz who Michael Jackson.
Speaker 9: Or I thought you're talking about Tom Hanks. I think
Speaker 9: Michael Jackson probably is dead.
Speaker 8: You think he is dead, okay?
Speaker 9: And all kind of ties in. There's this whole huge
Speaker 9: Q conspiracy that mj somehow faked his own death and
Speaker 9: he was giving information to the white hats and that's
Speaker 9: how they got Tom Hanks. And Tom Hanks has been
Speaker 9: arrested and executed and someone else is an actor playing him.
Speaker 9: It gets really into the weeds. Even for conspiracy theorists
Speaker 9: like me, it becomes too wild. I think it's probably
Speaker 9: more along the lines of, you know, allegedly a lot
Speaker 9: of this stuff has been going on and there's so
Speaker 9: much power and wealth associated with just the name of
Speaker 9: Tom Hanks that these people can cover this stuff up.
Speaker 8: They get away with it for fucking sure. And the
Speaker 8: thing is I am a conspiracy theorist, of course one percent.
Speaker 8: But sometimes I really do think people just die, like
Speaker 8: you know, a lot of Epstein. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 8: I think that motherfucker is probably still alive. But like
Speaker 8: Michael Jackson some of these other people, it's fifty to
Speaker 8: fifty for some, but I think he probably is dead.
Speaker 8: And I think he probably was touching kids, which is
Speaker 8: another thing that people are like fancign that Corey Feldman
Speaker 8: said that nothing ever happened. Well, McCaulay in fucking whatever
Speaker 8: whoever is seeing that nothing ever happened. There's like a
Speaker 8: gang of other children who are like, yeah, I know,
Speaker 8: fucking shit was happening, including his own sister. LaToya Jackson
Speaker 8: said he was touching kids, So I mean, it's like,
Speaker 8: what would she have to gain from coming out and
Speaker 8: seeing that.
Speaker 9: You know, I think this is the This is the
Speaker 9: danger that you see in these types of conversations with
Speaker 9: the way trauma works. With sexual abuse of children, far
Speaker 9: more often than not, the traumatized end up becoming the
Speaker 9: predators in the future. Yeah, the trauma that they've gone
Speaker 9: and they por portray that type of trauma on other people.
Speaker 9: And you know, if these people have grown up in
Speaker 9: that kind of a system where it's accepted within the
Speaker 9: Hollywood culture that you know, you have to go on
Speaker 9: the casting couch. Regardless of whether you're an eighteen year
Speaker 9: old girl or a twelve year old boy, You're on
Speaker 9: the casting couch with these people, and they don't care.
Speaker 9: You grow up in that system of where you either
Speaker 9: think it's acceptable or you start perpetrating that trauma on
Speaker 9: other PayPal ends. I think that's why you say a
Speaker 9: lot of these people collapse up within themselves, their career
Speaker 9: goes to shoot.
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Speaker 9: Their reality finally dawns on them all. Is a victim,
Speaker 9: always abused. These things have happened to me, and no
Speaker 9: one cares, and we say.
Speaker 8: That I know, it sucks. It sucks, and like I
Speaker 8: for the kids out there that are like coming out
Speaker 8: and saying like this happened to me, and like these
Speaker 8: are the things and for people to just turn a
Speaker 8: blind eye, like imagine if it was your kid. I've
Speaker 8: been covering a lot of this stuff in my new show,
Speaker 8: like for the Cult of conspiracy about like things that
Speaker 8: have happened to kids. Nobody will ever know their name,
Speaker 8: nobody will ever know their story, nobody cares to look
Speaker 8: into this kind of stuff. It's just really sad that
Speaker 8: this is the world we live in.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, when you've got big money and big personalities
Speaker 9: running the show, they are mm hmm, they're gonna cover
Speaker 9: it up, and people talk about it, it just doesn't
Speaker 9: gain the traction. Like the Me Too movement which I
Speaker 9: referred to before, that was allowed to gain traction because
Speaker 9: it was a great distraction from a lot of the
Speaker 9: more nefaries evilshit was going on. People will recognize it's
Speaker 9: downright atrocious and disgusting that men in power will exploit
Speaker 9: that to get sexual favors from women who want to
Speaker 9: progress their careers. That's terrible, don't get me wrong. That's
Speaker 9: far far more evil when children are involved, and that
Speaker 9: just seems to be skimmed over.
Speaker 8: I know, it's just fucking gut wrenching, And it's like
Speaker 8: we were seeing at the very beginning of the episode,
Speaker 8: Tom Hanks America's dad quote unquote, and I mean.
Speaker 17: There are.
Speaker 8: Movies like The Money Pit the Burbs, and I'll always
Speaker 8: have a soft spot for them and watch them, but
Speaker 8: it just I don't know. Even Castaway, I used to
Speaker 8: watch a lot because it's a really good movie.
Speaker 17: And.
Speaker 8: I haven't seen him do a lot recently, if I'm
Speaker 8: just being honest, And I think that's where a lot
Speaker 8: of the conspiracy theories are coming from. AHw, he's dead
Speaker 8: and there's like an actor playing him or whatever. Maybe
Speaker 8: he's just like, you know, when you get to a
Speaker 8: certain point when you're doing all this shit, like it
Speaker 8: catches up to you at some point. Maybe he's like
Speaker 8: worn out. I don't know, like he's just posted up
Speaker 8: somewhere with a fucking bag of a drenochrome dripping into
Speaker 8: his balls. I don't know, like at some point your
Speaker 8: body just gives out from all the evil shit you've
Speaker 8: been doing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you look at the background of Tom Hanks,
Speaker 9: and we're not the first people to go into this,
Speaker 9: but you see the humiliation rituals early on his career,
Speaker 9: where he was forced to dress up as a woman
Speaker 9: on TV and rolls within movies, the whole drag scenes
Speaker 9: that go on early on. It's almost like the initiation
Speaker 9: ritual that they have to do for their careers went
Speaker 9: from that into things like Bachelor PARTI, where's very so
Speaker 9: actualize that type of nature. He then somehow falls into
Speaker 9: the role of Big where he's surrounded by kids and
Speaker 9: he's a personification of a child in a man's body,
Speaker 9: which is very pedophilic. The fact that he sleeps with
Speaker 9: a woman in that film pretty disgusting when you think
Speaker 9: about it now, regardless of him being a grown up man.
Speaker 9: Then goes into this film which is almost like, let's
Speaker 9: cover up the conspiracies. Let's make the white suburban American
Speaker 9: who's starting to notice things look crazy. I think that's
Speaker 9: the real message in this we read I read out
Speaker 9: the article at the start, which is kind of pushing
Speaker 9: that idea again onto the mainstream public. But it's the
Speaker 9: inversion of that. People are noticing things because they're out
Speaker 9: in the open now, yeah, and they don't care what's
Speaker 9: being put out there. If we've got the ability to
Speaker 9: put two and two together, that's the dangerous thing for them.
Speaker 9: So now they're running cover and saying that, you know
Speaker 9: your conspiracy theorists again, it's Trump supporters, it's the maga Republicans.
Speaker 9: They don't know what's really going on. It's all about
Speaker 9: white guilt and blah blah blah. It's really not there's
Speaker 9: things you can generally notice and connect the dots with.
Speaker 8: Well, where would you rank it in Tom Hanks movies?
Speaker 8: Would you rank it as like number one? Number two?
Speaker 8: Like do you have another favorite?
Speaker 9: I would put it as maybe a number two. I
Speaker 9: really enjoyed Big as a kid growing up.
Speaker 8: Maybe we should just refresh the listeners. Let's see Tom
Speaker 8: Hanks movies in case I'm forgetting some biggies. Let's see Splash.
Speaker 8: Did you watch Splash?
Speaker 9: The Mermaid one? But it's not something that I'm deeply
Speaker 9: invested in.
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna go through every single one, but these
Speaker 8: are some of the ones that the listeners might like.
Speaker 8: For me, money Pit and then Uh Turner and hooch
Speaker 8: Uh Sleepless in Seattle. Oh, fuck Forrest Gump. That's gonna
Speaker 8: Oh I definitely am putting that up there, say private
Speaker 8: Ryan Toy story, You've got mail cast away? Oh Drew
Speaker 8: the Green Mile, Fuck about that one too.
Speaker 9: The Man with the One Red Shoe.
Speaker 8: The Man with the one red shoe? Where did you
Speaker 8: get that?
Speaker 9: For? I've never seen nineteen Tom Hanks is the Man
Speaker 9: with one red Shoe nineteen eighty five, Red Shoe Club,
Speaker 9: Red Shoe Club. There we go.
Speaker 8: How about Polar Express, the Da Vinci Code. Uh, let's see.
Speaker 9: He has done a lot. This is the thing. This
Speaker 9: is why he's America's dad, because he's been in these
Speaker 9: not always blockbusters, but they're culturally rich films that people
Speaker 9: will always remember. The Burbs is a great example of it.
Speaker 9: This movie bombed in the box office. It wasn't really that.
Speaker 8: I can't believe that.
Speaker 9: Then it became a cult hit after the fact.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was in Elvis.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he was the manager, wasn't he.
Speaker 8: Oh right, Okay, So it's got obviously it's got like
Speaker 8: Pinocchio and some of his newer stuff, A Beautiful Day
Speaker 8: in the Neighborhood, Greyhound, fucking Cloud Atlas. But the ones
Speaker 8: that I'm going to go with, Uh, I'm gonna rate
Speaker 8: money Pit as my number one, The Urbs as my
Speaker 8: number two. For Scump is my number three. I quote
Speaker 8: it all the time. And I'm gonna go with cast
Speaker 8: Away for my number four. And coming in at number
Speaker 8: five is the Da Vinci Code.
Speaker 9: Yeah, fair, I'd probably go Turner and Hurts number one,
Speaker 9: big as too. The Burbs is number three. I can't
Speaker 9: go past the toy story even though it's just voice acting.
Speaker 8: The first toy story stories coming in number.
Speaker 9: Four for you, yep, and then the grain Mile.
Speaker 8: Green Mile coming in number five.
Speaker 9: That's it.
Speaker 17: That is it.
Speaker 8: That's a good lineup. That's a good lineup. I probably
Speaker 8: should have shared my screen while I was doing that.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, So.
Speaker 8: The Burbs itself one to ten klopex on conspiracy.
Speaker 9: I would probably go maybe an eight on conspiracy. I
Speaker 9: wouldn't go full ten because there just wasn't enough. It
Speaker 9: was spaced out well enough within the film that kept
Speaker 9: you paying attention looking for it. But it wasn't just
Speaker 9: bang bang bang one after the other that were in
Speaker 9: small bite sized chunks at the start, the middle, and
Speaker 9: the end. But on the on their face, they were
Speaker 9: really good enough to dig into the weeds. Yeah, to
Speaker 9: find out that ata like this God of Fire was
Speaker 9: literally the one was that you.
Speaker 8: Blew my mind with that ship. That was a really
Speaker 8: good catch. That was a super good catch. I was
Speaker 8: gonna also, I don't want to have the same answer,
Speaker 8: so I'm gonna go eight point three three chlopex. I
Speaker 8: think it's it's almost right up there with like being
Speaker 8: one of the more obviously conspiratorial movies. But when I
Speaker 8: compared to some of the other episodes we've done that
Speaker 8: were ten out of ten, I would say our coverage
Speaker 8: on the Alien franchise was ten out of ten. I
Speaker 8: think even Dark Shadows might have been a ten out
Speaker 8: of ten for me, just like when you really dig
Speaker 8: into it. But the Urbs, I'm gonna get eight point
Speaker 8: three three on that. Did you watch, by the way,
Speaker 8: since I have you the new alien movie.
Speaker 9: Romulus, Get Romulus, I have yet?
Speaker 8: Okay, do you want to give me like the cliff notes?
Speaker 8: I haven't seen it yet?
Speaker 9: Is it?
Speaker 13: Is it good?
Speaker 9: Is it bad? Is it? It's not really, Scott, It's
Speaker 9: it's the era of alien and Aliens. Though I've gone
Speaker 9: back to the aesthetics look just like it's not the
Speaker 9: Prometheus type of everything's somehow more advanced than what the
Speaker 9: previously was. The technology looks like Alien nineteen seventies storyline.
Speaker 9: It's perfect, though, I'm telling you, fIF actually okay, it
Speaker 9: ties up all the loose ends of Prometheus. The alien
Speaker 9: that we saw ejected out of the spaceship in the
Speaker 9: first Alien film, turns itself into a chrysalis in space
Speaker 9: and whaling you Tiny gets a hold of it. They
Speaker 9: grab it, they take it back to a space station
Speaker 9: called Romulus and Remus, so straight away we've got the
Speaker 9: esoteric stuff. On the rome they start to re engineer
Speaker 9: the Black Goo, the Black Coup, which they call Prometheus five,
Speaker 9: and Prometheus was the fifth film in the Alien franchise,
Speaker 9: so they name the goop. They start genetically engineering face huggers.
Speaker 9: Something goes around on the Space Shuttle, which they don't
Speaker 9: know the space station, which it doesn't really explain until
Speaker 9: a young group of kids who want to get off
Speaker 9: a mining planet want to escape the planet and go
Speaker 9: to a new world, a free zone that's not owned
Speaker 9: by the corporation or the colonies. They go there to
Speaker 9: get some cryer beds because they want to like survive
Speaker 9: the sixty keylong trip. Right, howl ensues lots of aliens
Speaker 9: hybrid creatures.
Speaker 8: If you haven't seen it, so it has nothing to
Speaker 8: do with Covenant, then not a direct time, no, because
Speaker 8: it's not peaking up off of Covenant.
Speaker 9: Not exactly. It takes place in between alien and Aliens,
Speaker 9: but a long time after Covenant. WHOA, So there could
Speaker 9: be a third, another one a third in the Covenant
Speaker 9: Prometheus series that would help tie it all in, but
Speaker 9: it does it in this because they describe Whalen. Bishop
Speaker 9: Whalend went to the planet, found the goo, and they're
Speaker 9: naming it after his Prometheus five expedition.
Speaker 8: WHOA all right, all right, all right, I gotta watch it.
Speaker 8: I gotta watch it. That sounds fucking fucked up the
Speaker 8: face huggers.
Speaker 9: Really by Saga's drones. There's a Harbord crater at the
Speaker 9: very end of it that comes from a pregnant woman
Speaker 9: who's injected with the girl. I don't want to give
Speaker 9: buy spoilers, but it's god damn good. Opacially, it's akin
Speaker 9: to the Originals.
Speaker 8: When I watch it, I will I will have to
Speaker 8: message you and let you know what I think. But
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm excited now because you know, it looked
Speaker 8: kind of gay, like they weren't you know, they weren't
Speaker 8: like picking it up right off a Covenant. It looked
Speaker 8: like some other totally different thing to me. So I
Speaker 8: didn't know if they went in like a gay direction
Speaker 8: with it, or if they were gonna keep it with
Speaker 8: like the cool shit about like what makes alien. So cool.
Speaker 8: You know, so it sounds like they did and now
Speaker 8: I'm excited to watch it. Fucking face huggers.
Speaker 17: But so Drew.
Speaker 8: When we team up and we do breakdowns together, I
Speaker 8: always get so many compliments. Everyone loves the energy you bring,
Speaker 8: the research. Everything is dynamite. Thank you so much for
Speaker 8: joining me for yet another breakdown. And if you could
Speaker 8: those who are hearing you for the first time, let
Speaker 8: them know where they can find more of your work.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Drew, missing from your Missing the Point podcast, am
Speaker 9: I doubles and find in all the usual podcatches also
Speaker 9: co hosts a show called Conspiracy Theater three thousand, in
Speaker 9: which me and the guys Moral Bob and Ryan Dean
Speaker 9: we break down films similar to this. We do watch alungs,
Speaker 9: we do commentaries, we do breakdowns, all that good stuff.
Speaker 9: And thanks again for having me on Julia's I love these,
Speaker 9: always look forward to them. We always pick great movies,
Speaker 9: stuff that we tend to miss on Conspiracy Theater three thousand.
Speaker 9: So you're indulging me with these types of conversations, which
Speaker 9: I really enjoy.
Speaker 8: Oh, I was gonna say me too. I love teaming
Speaker 8: up on these. I think we pick some fun ones
Speaker 8: from our childhood fun ones that people would think about
Speaker 8: Harry and the Andersons. That was a great one, But
Speaker 8: so I'm looking forward. We'll team up on another one.
Speaker 8: It doesn't even have to be a breakdow. We can
Speaker 8: just pick something random maybe, but uh yeah, I hope
Speaker 8: everyone goes and checks out more of your work. Thank
Speaker 8: you again for joining me tonight into all the listeners
Speaker 8: out there. Thank you, and we will catch you on.
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