Speaker 1: Good even, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, my name is Jeff.
I'm from southwest Virginia, part of a research group and
the Crypto Investigations of Appalachia. We were based here in
the Appalachian Mountains, southwest Virginia, a little place Smith County,
not far away from Mount Rogers, White Tawk, what areas
like that. We decided to go out and start our
own research because we were watching a lot of things online.
People talks about the Appalachian Mountains and how active they were,
but nothing was ever being reported from down this way.
And we've had a lot of experiences, a lot of
stories passed down over the years as long as I
can remember, and we just thought it would be cool
to get together or do something and kind of get
this into the country. Note rise was big, but because
we have definitely got them down here. I've been actively
researching for just about three years now. Been interested in
it since I was a child. I would say I've
had when I would say two all calling counters, and
I've had a lot of I don't know what you
would call them, more interactions, I guess would be The
thing here is of wake. First, when I was twelve
years old. I was in a place, so it was
supposed to be. My dad had warned me about coming
going up there, and every would tell me why, But
you know, I was twelve years old. I knew better,
you know. So I was interested in spring turkey hunting.
So I went up to this place and found a
place where the turkeys were at and I was going
to make me a little homemade turkey ground chopping up
from ottle dead logs and stuff like that. Natural cuver
blended it in. I worked on it for I don't know,
almost two weeks. I would hear things, but back then
I didn't recognize them as you know, tree breaks and
tree snaps. And you got to remember back that time
in southwest Virginia there were there were no bears at all.
If you wanted to go bear hunting, you had to
go to North Carolina, Tennessee. There was none around here. Ever,
there was a lot of deer back then. There was
no coyotes. There was just mostly a lot of a
lot of turkey and a lot of rabbits squirrel back
in so I wouldn't hearing you know, like a bear
stepping or anything like that. But I never could hear
anything didn't pay any attention to it. I just you know,
I just went back. I was almost finished. You know.
My dad asked me again, you know where you put
where you at? I told her where it was, you know,
he said, I told you to stay out there, and
I said, well, I'm almost done, you know, we go
back and finish, like okay, you know. So I went
back up to finish, and all I had with me
was a little single shot fourteen, and I had an
act with me. And I remember going up theiring and
I just had gotten started and there was a laurel
thicket was over to my left, and it was probably
I'm going to say one hundred yards away from where
I was, but it was about fifty yards to the
trail where I needed to go to get back down.
I heard something moving in that laurel that was a
lot louder than what I recognized anything could have possibly
be making that type of noise. Like I said, this
is nineteen eighty two, and I was watching these laurels
just shake at the top, and then all of a sudden,
here comes this strain sound was like something just barreling through.
I saw that, and I was like, I don't know
what this is, but I don't want a part of it.
So I turned and I haul mail. Well, I've got
a coast so far up before I can get that
past the stick to get back down the trail to
get out. I make it down to the crack bottom,
I turn and I go back out. And I looked
down back over my left shoulder, and all I could
see was a waist come down. It was brownish brown color,
I had a little bit of gray to it. And
it was probably about fifty yards behind me at that point.
And I didn't I didn't see anything from the upper
upper side. I didn't. I didn't waste any time looking.
I'm were cocking the hammer on that little freaking shotgun
I had firing over my head, you know. And I
remember running all the way back down the road of
the house. And I didn't go back in the wood
for a long time after that. Uh, you know, I
got I told Dad what happened. Of course, it was
a case of I told you so, you know, he
told me then you know what it was. You know,
he said, I told you, He said there was something
up there, And he said, but I didn't want you
laughing at me, you know, And he said, that's they've
been up there since I was a kid. I said,
stay out of that hall. Now you will understand I
stayed out of that hall for a long time. I
met up with the researcher from New Jersey he moved
down here his thanks John, and got to speaking with him,
and we got to deciding. You know, he said, we'll
go out and go on a little research expedition, you know,
because I'd never been out on one, you know, I
had no clue what I was looking for. He was
going to show me what to look for as far
as tree structures, you know, breaks, the axes, the twists,
the arches, things like that. So I was all for it.
So we went across the road from where I had
my encounter, and this is the first time I've been
up there in twenty years. And we end up taking
about a three and a half four hour trip up
the mountain, which should have only took us about two.
But we were finding so much stuff that he was
showing us. We screwed around and got up there too late.
We got just up to the top and I'm trying
to show him some landmarks and all of a sudden,
the wind shifted and both of us got this god
forsaken future taste in our mouth that I could only
describe as wet dog meets rotten egg added with ammonia.
All of this instantly, and I'm I'm gagging. I'm not
what is what the war's going on? And he's he's
saying it's in for sing and forcing We're too close,
We're too close, We're too close. So we finally, you know,
we start moving away from the from that spot, and
we had like maybe fifteen minutes a day like left,
and it was we're going to take us a good
hour at least to get off that mountain. He asked
me if I had my pistol with then I said, yeah,
of course, I get I got my gun. So we
start out and we go back down the trail, and
immediately from my left again and Laurels again, here comes
a train barrel rolling straight towards us. And he's just like,
oh my god, it's coming. And I can see the
Laurels just spreading apart, and then about forty yards away
it stops and he said, that's a bluff, George. He said,
we got to go about hour walk down. It took
us about forty five minutes to get down, and we
were literally followed on both sides of us from that
point up to we got within I'm going to say,
one hundred yards of civilization and then it stopped. We've
been investigating areas around a lot of the state parks
around our area and finding a lot of activity there,
and we're usually we find something when we go out,
whether it be tree structures or we hear something. Their
last few times we've been out, it's probably been the
most vocalization that I've ever heard my life. I mean,
I was starting to think I was doing something wrong
because I wasn't hearing all this stuff I was watching
on YouTube, hearing the whoops and the yells and things.
But it's like this last year, you know, that increased dramatically.
And I've said to a lot of people, I don't
know if it's just me, but I've been hunting, been
out the woods all my life is inspects is shipped
in the out there in the mountains. There's a different
energy out there. It's just like in some places time
in their stand still. You just you walk into the
into the woods and you just get that sense that
something's not right. You don't have that fear that you
don't need to be there. You don't have that fear
if I need to turn around and leave, but you
have that question of, like, what's going on. There's not
a cricket, there's nothing. That's the only other time I've
ever had that happening is when there's a predator in area,
and I can usually pick up for some strange reason,
whenever they're close to me, I get chill bucks. They
will just give me like an instant little freeze, like
a stick you into a freezer for ten seconds and
pull you back out. That's usually kind of how I
know they're close to me. I have those interactions almost
every time I go. I don't know why. I'm blessed.
I've not had any more negative experiences. We've got some
really good pictures, we both we have a Facebook page
of Cryptic Investigations of the Wife of Achia as well
as YouTube channel. I've got a lot of great pictures
and some good video there of a lot of stuff,
and be happy to talk to anybody that's interested to
talk to us about it. If the viewers want to
go back onto the like I said, the facebook page,
go back and look in our videos from last year
twenty twenty five, there's my last one. There'll be a
three part video in there. In those three parts, we
went back to a place that used to be an
area where a horse riding community used to really be
a lot bigger than than what it is now. They
would camp in these places and you know, they would
haul their supplies in on horseback, you know, sort of
like the mon pa Engels type things. You know. We
went back to some clearings back for these places used
to be and someone had recently been in there and
I had an interaction. They had a rock thrown at him.
And there's nobody else in there, and the area is
not exactly easy to It's you can get to it
on a dirt road, but the dirt road is really
if you don't have a full wheel drive that sets
up high off the ground, it's really not easy to
get to. So we went back down in there last
year and just to see where this was, because he
said there's a great big mud hole down there. He
said we might be able to walk around there and
maybe get lucky and find some tracks. So we get
down there and we park, we walk around the mud hole.
We're not seeing anything, and I'm looking at up at
this field and he's telling me that these people were
camping in this lower side and they said about two
o'clock in the morning, said there's no all I had
that there was a campfire. He said, it sounded like
six to eight horses running through the woods from right
to the left, center right into the left away from them,
said everybody, and everybody God woke up, you know, like
what the heck? You know, got it, like, what's going on?
Then he went back sometime during the day and that's
when he got the rock throat at him. So we
went down there and we start easing around the edge
of this field and I looked up into the edge
of the woods and I seen the most It was
the biggest axe I've ever seen in my life. And
like I said, I've only been at it for three years.
People going there and see the video might think, well,
you know, that's a n see stuff like that all
the time, you know, great you have. But for me,
you know, for us three years into this, you know,
this was pretty pretty spectacular. That little area of probably
was one hundred yards in diameter, and we had axes,
we had tree twists, we had arches, we had breaks,
we had symbols on the ground, and it was just
a further back you went. The worst it got. We
actually stayed in earth a little bit too long. We
each got a rock though behind us. So but you know,
it wouldn't it wasn't close, it wouldn't aimed at us.
It was about twenty yards behind us, just a big phone.
I'm like, okay, and I had that sense, you know,
they're telling me, you know, hey, you've been here too long,
get out, and you know we ain't had a chance
to go back because you know, the like I said,
the Hurricane Helen really done a lot of done a
lot of damage on our research areas and getting access
to them. It really cut us out about seventy percent.
They're just now getting the roads redone the where you
can get back in our tool and not have to
have before wheel drive. So hopefully I have to upcoming
hip surgery. Once I recuperate from that, hopefully I can
get back out there. And we got we got plenty
of places to go, and it's activity around here is
picked up tremendously. I don't know what it is, but
this little area it has gotten hot. It seems like
ever since that little meteor shower deal in Ohio, it's
not just up there, the activities increased. It's been down
here a lot.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have drawn connections between Sasquatch and UFOs.
Maybe there's something to it, maybe there's not. But if
activity has increased since that meteor shower, do you think
there's some kind of connection between those two things? Or
are you seeing what you just did because you think
it's just a coincidence.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I mean, it's like a
lot of people ask, you know, what do you think
is asquatch? Is? You know? And for years, you know,
I would have told you gigantipathetus. I would argue that.
But as I got older, I had to start asking
myself a question, sort of like a detective. I said, Okay,
if something has remained undiscovered rest of all this time,
with the exception of what say the Patterson film and
say the Freeman footage. Nobody talks about the Freeman footage.
I think that's some really good footage too. Say, if
we don't have those two things right there, we really
don't have anything else to go on as far as Bigfoot.
But when you're talking about the UFOs now and everybody's
saying they could be inter dimensional, I have to ask myself, Okay,
it could be possible. When I have people telling me
that I follow the tracks for one hundred yards and
it stops in the middle of a dirt field and
just doesn't it just quits, It just stops, I've heard.
I've had Native American people tell me that they've followed
tracks over to an edgewood of a cliff. I had
a forty foot drop and they looked down over it.
There's nothing near, but the tracks disappeared. So, you know,
like I said, I would have thought years ago gigant epithecus.
That to me for something that's been wrote about, and
Laith Erickson wrote about seeing hardcover giants along the shores
in his book long before Columbus, Then this is something
that's been here since before the Native Americans and the
Native Americans learned from them. It's on cave drawings, it's
it's written all over the walls. I don't know. I
think there's a possibility that could be interdimensional. I do
not believe that they're in an undiscovered primate because I
just think of it as an undiscovered primate, man could
have found some way, somehow to trick them. We found
just about all the other known primates out there. I mean,
I think they found a new discovered monkey I think
a couple of years ago, or some type of in
a monkey famed chimpanzee family here a few years back.
But for something that big to you're talking to people
seeing them from seven foot tall, I've heard twelve feet tall.
They've got to know how to hide. They would either
have to have been here all along and know how
to survive without being acted, or they're here part of
the time and part of the time they're not. That's
really about the only ways I can look at it.
I don't have an answer for that. That's why I'm
out researching. I have no question. I'm not going to
argue somebody if they say, well, you know, I believe this.
You know that's fine, you know what, let's talk about it.
You know, I'm open to it. You know.
Speaker 2: When you say you don't think they're just an undiscovered
prime and I agree if you think about all the
technology we have, if that's what they were, they would
have slipped up so many times by now that they
would have easily have been proven to be in existence. Yeah,
there's got to be something more to them to explain
how they've always been able to have the upperhend. So
I agree. I mean, you know, I mean you go
back and look through history. I mean there's you know,
they wrote about draw on cave, drawings on the walls.
I mean, there's passed down some Native Americans grews as
far as you can remember. And I mean when I
started to do this research, that's who I reached out to,
which was as many Native American people as I could.
And you know, it took a while.
Speaker 1: It really took a while to get some of these
people to open up because a lot of us was like,
you're just some freaking white dude trying to make a buck.
You know, I ain't got time to fool with you.
I've talked to one hundred people just like you. It
took a while, you know, I said, look, I ain't
got a dollar sign in my brain for this. This
is about me. This is my curiosity. This is about
what I want to find out and share with other people,
even the people who may be on the fence, even
the people that don't believe in it whatsoever. You know,
but still respect opinions. But you know, to try to
broaden everybody.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good approach, it really is. You just
mentioned the Freeman footage a moment ago. Now that we're
talking about footage like that, I'd be remiss if I
didn't bring up this whole recent morass. Is a good
way to put it about the Patterson Gimlin film where
supposedly it's been debunked. Again, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Well, I call nonsense on that. You can practice anything
long enough. Now, I will say Bob Eronymus does have
a nice little walk, but there's children actors out there
every day that do a whole lot more than what
he does. So him learning how to walk like that
doesn't really sway me one side or the other. The
thing that sways me to one side or the other
is I watched an interview. It's on YouTube somewhere. I
can't remember it. There's a guy that was working for
Disney in the early seventies when they made planned out
of the apes, and somebody asked him if he thought
that was a suit and he looked and he said, oh,
that's the suit. He said, Ah, I know how they
made it. And he said, because I've not got access
to those materials. And I worked for He worked for
Universal Studios. I'm sorry, not Disney. He worked for Universal
Studios in California and the Hall and the makeup design
artist is where he was. He said, I've never seen
anything like that. He said, if you go back and
look at the episode of The six Million Dollar Man,
when they had Andre the Giant play the Bigfoot, he said,
that was as good as they could come up with
for a TV show that was as popular as that.
He said, you're telling me that there's technology out there
that looks like that, but they're going to put that
on TV for the six million aullar Man episode. And
he said, come on. So I don't know. I don't.
I don't believe it. I think if the government wants
to suppress something, then what's the easiest way to do
it is to get somebody up. Thursday says, I knows
the whole secret. I know what. I'll let me tell you.
Or for enough money, I can spend any kind of
bs you want me to. You know, I don't believe
it myself. You know, that's just me. I didn't get
into it because of Patty. I got into it for
what happened to me, you know, and Patty was just
another another piece in the pie. It's like the Freeman footage,
It's like some of the other footage, you know. I
think there was another I think on the fourth of
July footage. I suppose to that mother and the young.
But then I think somebody said they thought that that
got proved to be a hoax. But I'm not one
hundred percent sure on that. But you know, so, I
don't use trail cameras myself, and I research a lot
of people do. I don't. I think it's useless. I
don't think that it's going I don't think you want
to get I don't think anything that lives breathed twenty
four seven, three sixty five out there in the woods
that calls the mountains home. I just don't think that
this redneck can go out there and fool them and
get a trail camera set up somewhere that they're not
going to pick up on it. I think they either
smell it, or they watch us, or they sense it
somehow or another. I've tried it for years and never
gotten anything. I've got one picture of the entire and
every place I've ever put a camera up where I
thought it would be a great area. I've got one
picture and it was a deer. I've got one picture
that was it, nothing else. So I mean, I just
I don't think that you'll ever get them on camera.
I mean, I think I think Patty was I think
Patty was real. That's just my opinion. I think it
was a strug look. Because the Native Americans have always
told me that if you say them, see them, they
meant for you to see them. There was a reason
you were chosen. Why, they don't know, but they choose
who they want to see them. I've heard that from
several different tribes, all told me the same thing, that
they choose who they want to see them.
Speaker 2: I believe that. Yeah, it does seem like they always
have the upper hand, so if you do see one,
I agree, But I definitely believe that that they do
want you to see them if that happens now, being
as advanced as they obviously are, being able to always
event our cameras and everything like that, that is when
they don't want to be caught on film. It doesn't
sound to me like you think there are forest friends
quote unquote, With that in mind, what do you think
they are?
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, this is is my personal opinion. I
think that Sasquatch or a different type of people other
than us. Where they come from, I don't know. I
watched the American Sasquatch David Polaitis, and I thought that
was probably one of the most well done pieces of
documentary on Sasquatch I've seen in a long time. And
he was talking about the DNA that they got, and
if I'm not mistaken, I think you said that the
female DNA was traced back to the Middle East about
fifteen thousand years ago, and the father's genetic DNA markers
there was no known match in the DNA database anywhere.
So you also have people like the late Scott Carpenter,
who was another person that I followed and watched a
lot of his videos because he was only about three
hours away from me in location. So I thought, if
it's happening in his area, chance star's happening in mine.
Maybe I could watch his stuff and learn some things,
and I sure did. Scott was a firm believer that
they are an ophelium or a fallen angel. Could that
be possible. Absolutely. I mean, like I said, I won't
say that you're an ape. I'll never say you're an ape.
I want to stick with my gut and say that
they're just some type of an undiscovered form of people.
Speaker 2: If you're open to the idea or the possibility that
they might be the nephilm. Have you followed or heard
about the research that Tim Kumbo Baker did kind of
following those lines with the show far that he would blow.
Speaker 1: No, I've not gotten into those deals. I've heard of it,
I've not watched it.
Speaker 2: I see. Well, the gist of it is he got
with I guess a couple religious scholars, and he wanted
to explore the possibility that that's what these guys were
or are. So to test that theory, he decided to
acquire what's called a show far. I think it's a
kudu horn that if you blow it just right, if
these guys were Nephilum, are nephilum, they'd be compelled to
come to him. Well, he got the show far. He
practiced it for I I guess over a year. Practiced
and practiced until his lips had blisters on them and bled.
But after a while after some time of practice and
with this show far, he blew the show far for
this one religious scholar to see if he had it downright,
and the scholar said, yes, that's right, that's how it
would need to be blown to test this theory. So
now that he knew he was ready to, he headed
out into the field where he knew some sasquatch, where
he blew the horn and a group of them came
to him immediately. And he tested that in multiple different
places all over I mean in several states. Every time
he would go out and blow this show far, sasquatch
would show up. So it got to the point where
he started to kind of cringe and think, okay, well,
I need to be careful because it's been said that
when the end of the world comes, an angel will
blow a show far and begin the end of the
world armageddon. Basically, well, he backed out and stopped doing that,
but other people who had heard about what he had
been doing, they practiced blowing their show fars, and they
became proficient doing that, and I guess people to this
day are still heading out and blowing the show fars,
which we could make a whole nother show on that
I don't like the idea of that at all, But yeah,
I just wasn't sure if you were aware of any
of that or not.
Speaker 1: No, I have never heard of that.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting, but at the same time it kind
of makes the heir and your butt stand up when
you think about what that all means.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean if iron your button don't
stand up, they don't want anything in encrypted community, then
something wrong with you anyway.
Speaker 2: Well, i'd say so. Yeah, no doubt when you had
your first encounter in eighty two there, Jeff, you said
that you were twelve and you'd gone to that place
that your dad warned you never.
Speaker 1: To go to. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Were you mad at your dad later on when you
doubt that he actually knew about Sasquatch being there? Were
you mad that he didn't tell you why he didn't
want you to go there?
Speaker 1: No, I wasn't mad. I was at that time. You've
got to remember my dad was in the Marine Corps
just right out and on, so you know it was
his generation. Was you speak once, you say it once,
that's it, you know, or you learned the hard way,
you know, And I didn't think that he thought I'd
laugh at him, and he honestly told me. He said,
I'm I'm afraid, he said, I just might piss out
of me if gueld a laugh at me, you know,
because I know what I've heard, what I've seen, and
I ain't had somebody laugh at me. They don't know
what he was talking about. He said, So I just
left it alone. I said, why, I just told you
just not to go up there. He said, I thought maybe,
you know, later on, when you were older, you know,
you'd be a little bit more open to understanding why,
he said, But at your age, he said, now, I said,
I know if I told you, you wouldn't believe me,
And he said, you just you'd go anyway. He said,
So I figured, if he's going to do it, he said,
one would let you find out. And he said you
went apron and he said, you played around and found out.
He said, that's why he said stay out of there.
It's a different area now, John and I got to
go back in there and I actually research it, and
it's been probably, i will say, all rightly ten years.
When we got in there to research it, I'd never
been back in their simpent. That was the first time
I had been back in there, and I was going
off memory and let John taught me into going back
in there, because you know, he says, like he said,
if you don't do it, he said, you'll wonder the
rest of your life. What is it? You know? Can
I go back? Was it just a one time thing?
What is it? Go? He said, let's go look, Let's
just go take a look. And I was like, okay,
let's go. So we went back and I showed him,
you know where I came off the bank, the little stream.
I ran through the whole nine yards and the whole time,
you know, Harold, the back of my neck is it's
standing straight up. I mean it's pulling at me, just
like you know. I was nervous as a cat. But
you know, we got in there and he just looked
at me and he said, this place is looks like
it's Jurassic Park compared to what it was around the corner.
And I said, yeah, I said, that's a different thing.
Something else about this place. It's different. It looks like
it's aged and I'm not kidding you, fifty years compared
to what it is around the corner. It's dark. There's
no sound ever, no birds, no crickets, no squirrels, you
don't see, no deer, you don't I've never jumped a
deer in there ever, ever jumped deer in there, Never
seen a deer. And I've got them all over me
just half mile, not not even it's not even that
far a quarterm off. I got them all over me.
So I know there's deer there, but I've never seen
one up there. So John and I go in there
and we start up this bank. John finds an impression
what the track was an impression, and we measured that impression.
That was fourteen inches they said, They said, you know,
they said, this is pretty pretty fresh, and I'm like,
I don't like my taple. You know, I don't know
nothing about it. He asked you I find out before
this was going to it. I said, yeah, there's there's
a game trail. I said. It runs around in the
middle of this ridge. And I said, up here at
the tapas it was a fallen white o great big tree.
And I said, it's laid right on the edge of
that trail. He's like you, thank you for still there.
And I said, well, ain't nobody come out here and
move that. I guarantee it's still there. You know, you
can't get back earth to vehicle to get to it,
and ain't nobody going to cut it up. So we
got back there and I pointed to it, I said, look,
ear the third Well, we followed those impressions all the
way up there, and neither one of us had any track,
any claster or anything like that. And he didn't bring
his camera. I didn't have it. I didn't I didn't
have mine. And it was the only time I've ever
found three tracks. We found fourteen inch track at the top.
We found the eleven inch track that was off to
the side at the top, and then we've seen a
seventeen inch track that joined in with the fourteen inch
tracks up at the top. We figured that the smaller
one was the juvenile. We heard something take off running
to our left, just steam rolling through the brush, I thought,
because it possibly could have been a bear. But you know,
I didn't say nothing, could smell nothing, just heard it. Well,
his girlfriend was down at the bottom of the hill
and we come. Well, she thought it was us. She
said she saw two dark figures come out of the
tree line. Well, she went back and set back in
the car because she she knew it was us where
she said. When she shut the door, something hit the
top of the car and she got out. It was
a rock laid on top of the car, laid through
the rock from up there and hit her car. We
were fifteen minutes behind him, she thought, said she thought
it was us until she saw saw the two dark
figures just disappear at the bottom of the hill and
we never come down. And then she looked up a
few minutes later and saw west coming. And then she said,
I got paid myself because I just realized I just
saw two sasquatch walk down that ridge and they thow
that rock. She still got the rock.
Speaker 2: What you just told us about that throwing that rock
and hit on the top of the car she was sitting,
And it made me think of something. Have you noticed
how when most experiencers have an to counter with a
sasquatch where they're throwing rocks and everything. To me, it
seems like they normally make a habit of taking it
easy on vehicles. They don't make a habit out of
throwing rocks and hitting trucks or cars with them. Is
it just me or have you noticed that as well?
Speaker 1: Well? She said that's not the first time they've had
a rock with your vehicle, So I don't know if
it was just their energy to you know, if it's
something that was because that's the last, like I told you,
I've had to rock through of the once and that
was the last time that you know, Andy, and I
was out where I told you worried about that three
part video, and that's just because I was in there
too far and I was singing too much that I
had never seen before in such a small area, and
it was getting close to dark, and I got I
got a real good picture of something that came out
from from in there. I said, I'm a firm believer.
I think there's a portal in there, something to something.
Because we came out after the rock, we went back down.
There's a picnic table, an old picnic table still sits
down there. We went down there to it and sat
down and I told him, I said, I ain't getting
in this truck and leaving just yet. I said, I
want to stay here. Said they don't think that we
was up to something and just immediately get out of here.
The seconding of the rock, I said, I'm not moving.
I said, I'm staying down here for a few minutes.
So we sat down on the end of that at
the picnic table. Will Andy was watching up from where
we were at and there was a little clump of
trees up off to our left about I was about
seventy five yards and he said, hey, he said, look
at birth to them, to look a little clump of
trees And I said, okay, I said, what about them?
He said that light that was there just a second
that goes down. He said, you can see all the
way through those just a second ago. And I was like, well, yeah,
I said, you're right. He said, you can't see nothing
there now, and it wouldn't because we were losing sunlight.
It wouldn't that blow yet. I said, there's something there.
I said, I don't know what. I said, let me
see what I get it. I snapped a picture of it.
Speaker 2: That was a good job noticing the blocking of the
forest there, that opening in the forest. Most people wouldn't
have even noticed that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, I just had to see it. He
just said, all of a sudden, he said, it got
dark right there. And he said, there's no reason for
it to get dark. And he didn't see nothing. Walk
in there because we had a good open it was
open behind it, so we should have been able to
see something if it walked out from the woods to
go in there to we should have been able to
see that. And there wasn't nothing there. But there was
something there. I mean, I got a good picture of it.
And we were on the other side of it, and
we uh, he saw a dog man track that they
didn't have his camera over there, and it was on
the other side of the campground. A lot of this stuff. People,
if I told them where it was and how close
it is to people, they would lose their minds. Oh
of course they would, Yeah, they would. They would lose
their flipping minds. I'm not kidding. I'm talking. This is
in campgrounds, this is in state parks. Are infested. I'm
just going to tell state parks are infested. There's not
any hunt inside the state parks. There's plenty of game
in the state parks because they make sure that they
plan all these pretty fields and they have all this
nice stuff. There's always going to be things like that
reside in the National Forest and the state parks that
you have access to not be able to ever get to.
Speaker 2: Well more, could they want. So it's no wonder that there.
Speaker 1: I mean, why else would you have places in state parks.
I didn't know this, but the guy told me that
not if it's true. And now I'm not saying this
is so, I don't want anybody out there jumping on
me saying I'm spreading false information. I'm just telling you
what I was told from somebody that supposedly retired from
the Great Smoky Mountains National State Park. Down there. They
said that there's places in there that they close at
dark and don't go into the daylight for no reason.
Speaker 2: That's scary.
Speaker 1: So they go through there and they make it control toy,
make sure there's no cars in there. They shut the
gate at dark and they don't open it till daylight,
and that's sign everything that's off them. It's not patrol
the daylight. Now, whether or not that's true, I don't know,
but that's what he said. He said there's places in
this and he said he said the whole Appalachian Mountains
is one huge port, and he said the Smokies is
infestive with all of it. He said he's seen everything
down there, from the dog man to skin walkers UFOs.
He said he's seen enough of that down there, and
he said he was done. He said, what I got after?
Where I could retire? He said, I left. He said
I didn't have a hard job. He said, I hated
working night shift. He said it's a different he said,
it's a different, different part. He said, one of the
smokies go dark. He said, it's a different world. He said,
we're not meant to be out there at night when
all these things are out there. He said, we're not
supposed to be there. They said, that's why people have
negative experiences in tonight. I ain't got the business being there.
You're interrupting your routine, you know, he said. Think of
it like this. You come home and there's more people
in your house at one o'clock in the morning. This
is what your reaction you want to be.
Speaker 2: That's a good way to sum it up. Think about
all the people who don't even know about cryptids, so
go out there in camp and do all this and
do that, and then they wind up bumping in something
like that.
Speaker 1: Yep, I mean you think about this. Think about the
Appleachian Trail. You aren't not allowed to have a firearm
on the apple Aachian Trail.
Speaker 2: Legally you're not. No, well I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Unless they changed that. Well, on the Appalachian Trail itself,
you're not allowed to have a firearm on the Applelache
and Trail, I think because it crosses so many different
state boundaries and jurisdictions and all this other stuff. But yeah, no,
you're not supposed to have a fire arm. It's like
a federal, federal thing. I'm not going out there. I
just take a chance. They just have to tache take
me Jeff having a gun because bearon mace is only
going to do so much.
Speaker 2: I have no doubt about that. Out of that, Yeah,
I do understand. How do you you think it is
that they can throw rocks with what could almost seem
to be supernatural accuracy.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, i've the first time I
heard about the rocks was on that same the same
mountain that John and I got escorted off of. Now
I want the volt. This man's name, I'll say that
he was a oh my gosh, he worked in the
forestry division. I'll say that retired. No reason to lie.
Somebody I've named ever since I was a child. They
were up there. He had other interest, what led him
up that mountain and something start throwing rocks at him. Now,
this guy is probably one.
Speaker 3: Of the type of people that would try to find
every other solution other than what it could be before
he goes to that subject. But when he told Dad
that something was throwing rocks at him, and he said,
not just wonder too, he said, I was getting rocks thrown,
He said, not rolled thrown. He said, there's only he said,
you got to have hands to throw, he said. Before
I was at he said, was in a.
Speaker 1: Campground during the off season, with the gates closed and locked,
and he was the only one there because he was
the only one that had to keep that was in there.
He's the only vehicle. There was nobody else on that mountain,
he said. I rode down to the other entries entry
points and up the other entry points to see if
it could possibly been anybody else in there on us.
He said, there was nobody there. He says, no, couldn't
have been anybody. He said. They weren't getting close to
hitting me. He said, they were just thrown enough to
let me know get out. They said, you got to
have hands to throw. And if they've been living all
this time, undiscovered. You know, they've had to hunt, so
they've had I'm sure they've had to use rocks. That uh,
that oak tree I told you about that was up
there on that trail. The scary part about that is
is that I told you it's a game trail up there.
That game trail. I can promise you right now, if
I took you up there to it, it would it
would be worn down to the mud, just like it's
been since nineteen eighty two when I say it the
first time, and I was that way the last time
I was up there, it was wore down to the mud.
The deer use that trail religiously because it cuts right
through the laurel thickets and you cannot see from uptop
on the mountain. You cannot see down earth to that trail.
It's completely hid by the laurels and there's nothing down
there but water, laurels and water, and that's it. Perfect
thicket with a mountain string back there. But you go
right up there before that blowdown is and all you
have to do, something has to do is just set
and wait for something to come down that trail and
snatch it right there. And then that's about sixty feet
to the bottom. What if I just grab the deer
and throat it by the neck down to the bottom,
and then went back down, picked it up the shoulders,
walked off.
Speaker 2: Doesn't get any more convenient than that. And I'm sure
it's not lost on you that in a lot of cases,
when you have a game trail like that, a distance
off of that game tril, you'll also have another trill
that sasquatch was sometimes used monitor that game trail. Did
you ever look for a sasquatch trail like that?
Speaker 1: Well, that's where we found those impressions. Was going up
to that, going up to that trail, that's where those
that's where they were going to. But they went straight
up through that through the Laurel thicket. And we still
can't figure out why in the world it went through
that laurel thicket. I don't because that's where we followed
the impressions all the way. We were on our hands
and knees at that point, following those impressions, pulling ourselves
up through there too. But it was that's how steep
it was. It was not you weren't walking up it.
We had to lay down on our bellies, get our
hands knees, and we pulled ourselves up and crawl with
it to literally get up to it. I couldn't get
up at noun. There's no way. That's the way my
hip is. But I mean, like I said, it's straight up.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's some rough country right there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's They used to have an old meal
back in there years ago. Well I think they made brick,
an old brick furns back in there. And this just
a big old hollow back there, and it's just it's surrounded.
There's nothing but Laurel. You go back there and you
just you're surrounded by it. It's all around you, everywhere
you look. It's just you're the only open spot that
there is and you're surrounded by Mount Laurel.
Speaker 2: Have be a great place for them to hunt.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you know I heard about him, you know,
my dad told me about him and his mom. You know,
they talked about hearing them said they'd scream on one
ridge and then two three seconds later said you'd hear
one scream on this ridge, and ain't you back? He said,
They said they used to hear that all the time
whenever he was a kid. He said, he's his grandmother
was a full blood Cherokee. She passed away whenever long
before I was born. I seen pictures of her, and
she looked like she'd probably been a rough woman to
run across a little bitty thing. But my dad told
me he's because when he told me what it was,
when after I told you when I got run out
and all that, and he told me it was big.
But I kind of looked at him real funny. I
didn't call him a liar, and I kind of looked
at him. I was like what, And he he said,
hang on, before you say another word. He said, he said,
go down there and ask mommy what happened to her
sister up on that mountain. He said, come back and
let me know what she tells you. I said, okay,
So I went down there under my grandmother and I said, hey,
I said, what happened to Aunt Grace up here on
the mountain? And she said, oh, you mean she's stepped
up on that big foot And I'm like, well, I
guess that's what he's talking about. I don't know. I said, yeah,
I said okay, what, yeah, tell me that and she
said they went up her to pick huckleberries and she
said her and her mom and her sisters. She said
they went up there and she said there was a
big old patch of huckleberries up there. She said they
went up first, started picking, and she said mom was
on one bush, and Grace was with her, and my
grandmother and her other two sisters was scattered out. You know,
they're all within fifty yards one another. And she said,
all of a sudden, she said she heard Grace scream
and said she heard that her little metal pale hit
the ground, and she said her mommy could come running
over and said, you know what are you screaming about?
And she said, I do. Walked around the corner of
this hunkerberry patch and she said, he's a big hurry
Harry Mann standing on the other side of the hunkherberry patch.
And she said he's taller than I am. And my
aunt Grace was six foot two, and she said, and
she was looking up at it, and she my dad said,
one of my grandmother said that. Mommy looked her straight
in the face and said, it's just that Harry Man
of the Mountains. He ain't gonna bother nothing. He's picking
berries just like we are. She said, pick you pack
it up. Go back to picking. She said, she turned around,
walked off and went back. She said, my grandmother went
back to picking. She said, mommy went back to picking. Well,
she said, Grace no said. She said she left, said
she picked her pail up, left. She said, she made
the rest of us day. She said, we stayed right
a heart a dark pick. She said, they've been up
here ever since she lived, she's been alive. And she
said they ain't gonna bother you if you don't bother them.
She said, she didn't give it. I have no worries
about it being there whatsoever. She said, it is like
you know, straight dog.
Speaker 2: Imagine the stories that she could tell.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, I thought what I'd give, what
I'd give just to be able to go back and
talk to her about just about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'd say, so I can only imagine.
Speaker 1: Because I mean, I couldn't imagine just seeing pictures of
how little she was, because she was a little woman.
But Daddy said she was toughed a tenpenny nail.
Speaker 2: I believe it. I don't doubt that.
Speaker 1: So she didn't have no fair sit. I mean, but
she got to bemb back in those days too. They
walked everywhere. You know, they had you know, there was
a lot of these roads were dirt roads cut through
the mountains. I mean, that's what they walked. I mean
these a lot of these people would walk. It's nine
miles from where I live to the nearest town. The
people would get they would walk that. If they had
to go to the doctor and the next town can't
find a ride, well they got up. I had to
breakfast and start walking. You know, that's what they've done,
you know. So, I mean these stories went back here
so far. We heard so many. Andy and I. We
didn't find out until we got linked up together. They
were actually distantly related on my dad's side of the family.
And we come to find out that where I had
my encounter and where Andy had his encounter is on
the same mountain range. His grandfather told him to stay
off the north side of the mountain at all costs.
I guess where the north side of the mountains. That's
on my side. So we have an area right along
and through there. We called it, we called it middle Ground.
We got some really really good pictures, and our people
just have to go back and from the start and
and go back and see all the pictures and stuff.
We've got some really really good pictures. I've got some.
I've got one that M. K. Davis enhanced the photo
for me and I still don't have a clue what
I'm looking at in that picture. And that was the
first expedition that Andy and I went on up there
to middle Ground, and once again it was it was
a feeling. We got back there. It was two miles.
We were two miles deep before we got to you.
And Andy found what you call it Indian market trees.
Have you ever seen it? Though? Go straight up, then
they'll go straight out. Then they turned to go straight
back up again.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Andy found one of those and he was kind of
looking around that area down there. Well, I heard something
to my left, really loud. Take a step and break
it and break it. Not a branch, but a limb.
This was a pop. And I snapped my head over
and I just said, okay, you're over here, and then
Andy was hollering. He said, you know what is it?
I said, here's something something right here. I said, I
don't know what. I said, there's something in here, and
they said, you know, we had we were short on time.
They had to turn around and leave and I took one.
I took a snapshot picture right there, and I said
it back to a Native American friend of mine and
I asked her, I said, look at this picture for me.
I said, there's something. There was something there. I said,
why I took this picture? I said, I don't know
what's there. Well, she spotted what she said was a
juvenile fast watch off to the side of a chury.
So she said, that's what I was saying, was what
was over there? And if that was the case, you know,
it was thirty yards maybe and there was nothing in
between us, but are an opportunity. I couldn't see it,
but it was our on a picture, but there was
something in behind it and the lawyers that I still
don't have a clue what it is. You know, to
post it on some word for somebody to see, I
won't care because I posted them already on our page
and the YouTube channel, so it's it's already out there.
Speaker 2: So so that you know, if anyone listening that wants
to check out these pictures, I'm going to post links
to the Facebook page for the CIA and that'll make
it really easy for you to find. Just go to
the description for tonight's show and you can click on
it and it'll take you right to their page.
Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out. We got so we got started.
This will be three years. I think we got started
in it in March. I think it's twenty twenty four.
I think so we actually got got lost up, got
started in it. So we're just, you know, a little
of two years into it yet. But enjoy it. I
just absolutely enjoy it. It's it's interesting to go out
there and look for something that doesn't want to be
found and try to find remnants of where they being
and see the different way they bend a tree, and
it's just it's crazy. I had a tree twister in
a state park that it went over one trail completely.
It was like twelve feet tall and it went from
one trail straight over the other side. It was twisted
and shoved in the ground on the other side. That
picture is on there. Everybody will look at that and
they look. I said, man, that's the prettiest arch I've
ever seen. Now it's no longer there. It got cut
down as I started finding some really good stuff on
that trail and then all of a sudden, guess what,
my trail gets shut down the gates locked. Imagine that
if I want to get on it, I have to
walk a whole walk further. And then they went in
there and cut down a lot of that stuff and so,
and it was named for trail maintenance. But the funny
thing of it was Victor and I went out there
and walked all the way out that trail. Guess what,
it looked exactly the same as I had every other
time I've been in there, with the exceptions and the
stuff that they cut down. I go out there and
I automatically they know why I'm there, let's put it
that way.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure they do. Sounds like they've been keeping
an eye on you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, And they know what I'm out
there looking for. I told them. And here's the funny thing.
They've been had a festival back there years ago, but
now it's like taboo. Shut up, don't say nothing. Just
buy a T shirt. It's got, you know, from the
gift shop. But other than that, the last.
Speaker 2: Questions, funny how that works, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And yeah, money rules at all, brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say so. If you've had a big foot
sight and would like to be a guest please go
to bigfoote Witness dot com and let me know what's
about time for us to call him. But before we do,
for anyone listening who wants to report a sighting we
have had in the Appalachian Mountains to you there, Jeff
or the c I A what's the best way for
them to do that?
Speaker 1: Well, you can certainly you can message us on on
our Facebook page. I'll get it. It'll come straight to
may Or Andy. Uh. Andy's he's got the Uh he
runs the YouTube channel and uh, he's we got it
on TikTok too. I forgot to and so the TikTok
up there. He runs those two and I take care
of the Facebook page. But I have a contact bot
right there. If you was to have something, got a question, anything,
you know, please reach out. I love to talk to
anybody about it. I don't pretend to know what all.
And uh, you know, I'm not going to argue with anybody.
You know, it's not what I hate that about this
whole stuff, about this Becker sis. There's so much negativity
between people and researchers, and I don't understand it. I
do not understand it. I think if if I'm into this.
If we're into this here in Virginia, and you know,
we alder to be able to go link up as
people in Texas, Arizona, Arkansas, wherever, and it not be
a freaking pisson contest about whose methods you're right and
who believes you're right, and who's right and who's wrong
because they ain't. Nobody got a slab on the special.
Nobody knows nothing. We're all guessing. I don't care if
it's the people on TV. I'm not going to name
their names. You know everybody knows who they are. But
you can't go out here and tell me that you
can take a camera crew in the middle of the
night twenty people. You're gonna find squat. If you got that, hey,
hook me up. I will walk you all over the
mountains with whatever film crew you want for as long
as you want the middle of night. You want to
pay me to do it. We ain't gonna find nothing,
but we'll walk around in the woods and make all
kinds of noise pretend that we do. But you're not
going to do that. You're not going to get close
to something like that unless you go walk down in
the middle of woods in the middle of the night,
sat down and shut up, then they'll come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing all that does make for a good show,
but pretty darn poor results.
Speaker 1: It's good for ratings, but that's it. They never have nothing.
It's because you got twenty people out there instead of four.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, but yeah, like we talked about, it does
make for good ratings, but you know that.
Speaker 1: Is Thank you for bringing me out, Vic, I greatly
appreciate man.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for coming on. I appreciate your
time and if I can never help you out in
the future, please let me know I'll be there for you.
Thanks again so much for your time, and have a
great night.
Speaker 4: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
like to be a guest on the show, please go
to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd
love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a
great night.