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Speaker 1: Good even, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, my name is Jeff.

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I'm from southwest Virginia, part of a research group and

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the Crypto Investigations of Appalachia. We were based here in

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the Appalachian Mountains, southwest Virginia, a little place Smith County,

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not far away from Mount Rogers, White Tawk, what areas

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like that. We decided to go out and start our

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own research because we were watching a lot of things online.

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People talks about the Appalachian Mountains and how active they were,

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but nothing was ever being reported from down this way.

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And we've had a lot of experiences, a lot of

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stories passed down over the years as long as I

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can remember, and we just thought it would be cool

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to get together or do something and kind of get

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this into the country. Note rise was big, but because

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we have definitely got them down here. I've been actively

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researching for just about three years now. Been interested in

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it since I was a child. I would say I've

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had when I would say two all calling counters, and

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I've had a lot of I don't know what you

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would call them, more interactions, I guess would be The

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thing here is of wake. First, when I was twelve

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years old. I was in a place, so it was

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supposed to be. My dad had warned me about coming

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going up there, and every would tell me why, But

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you know, I was twelve years old. I knew better,

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you know. So I was interested in spring turkey hunting.

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So I went up to this place and found a

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place where the turkeys were at and I was going

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to make me a little homemade turkey ground chopping up

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from ottle dead logs and stuff like that. Natural cuver

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blended it in. I worked on it for I don't know,

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almost two weeks. I would hear things, but back then

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I didn't recognize them as you know, tree breaks and

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tree snaps. And you got to remember back that time

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in southwest Virginia there were there were no bears at all.

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If you wanted to go bear hunting, you had to

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go to North Carolina, Tennessee. There was none around here. Ever,

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there was a lot of deer back then. There was

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no coyotes. There was just mostly a lot of a

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lot of turkey and a lot of rabbits squirrel back

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in so I wouldn't hearing you know, like a bear

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stepping or anything like that. But I never could hear

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anything didn't pay any attention to it. I just you know,

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I just went back. I was almost finished. You know.

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My dad asked me again, you know where you put

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where you at? I told her where it was, you know,

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he said, I told you to stay out there, and

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I said, well, I'm almost done, you know, we go

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back and finish, like okay, you know. So I went

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back up to finish, and all I had with me

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was a little single shot fourteen, and I had an

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act with me. And I remember going up theiring and

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I just had gotten started and there was a laurel

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thicket was over to my left, and it was probably

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I'm going to say one hundred yards away from where

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I was, but it was about fifty yards to the

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trail where I needed to go to get back down.

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I heard something moving in that laurel that was a

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lot louder than what I recognized anything could have possibly

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be making that type of noise. Like I said, this

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is nineteen eighty two, and I was watching these laurels

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just shake at the top, and then all of a sudden,

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here comes this strain sound was like something just barreling through.

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I saw that, and I was like, I don't know

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what this is, but I don't want a part of it.

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So I turned and I haul mail. Well, I've got

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a coast so far up before I can get that

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past the stick to get back down the trail to

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get out. I make it down to the crack bottom,

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I turn and I go back out. And I looked

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down back over my left shoulder, and all I could

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see was a waist come down. It was brownish brown color,

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I had a little bit of gray to it. And

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it was probably about fifty yards behind me at that point.

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And I didn't I didn't see anything from the upper

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upper side. I didn't. I didn't waste any time looking.

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I'm were cocking the hammer on that little freaking shotgun

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I had firing over my head, you know. And I

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remember running all the way back down the road of

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the house. And I didn't go back in the wood

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for a long time after that. Uh, you know, I

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got I told Dad what happened. Of course, it was

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a case of I told you so, you know, he

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told me then you know what it was. You know,

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he said, I told you, He said there was something

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up there, And he said, but I didn't want you

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laughing at me, you know, And he said, that's they've

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been up there since I was a kid. I said,

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stay out of that hall. Now you will understand I

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stayed out of that hall for a long time. I

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met up with the researcher from New Jersey he moved

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down here his thanks John, and got to speaking with him,

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and we got to deciding. You know, he said, we'll

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go out and go on a little research expedition, you know,

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because I'd never been out on one, you know, I

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had no clue what I was looking for. He was

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going to show me what to look for as far

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as tree structures, you know, breaks, the axes, the twists,

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the arches, things like that. So I was all for it.

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So we went across the road from where I had

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my encounter, and this is the first time I've been

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up there in twenty years. And we end up taking

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about a three and a half four hour trip up

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the mountain, which should have only took us about two.

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But we were finding so much stuff that he was

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showing us. We screwed around and got up there too late.

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We got just up to the top and I'm trying

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to show him some landmarks and all of a sudden,

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the wind shifted and both of us got this god

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forsaken future taste in our mouth that I could only

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describe as wet dog meets rotten egg added with ammonia.

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All of this instantly, and I'm I'm gagging. I'm not

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what is what the war's going on? And he's he's

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saying it's in for sing and forcing We're too close,

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We're too close, We're too close. So we finally, you know,

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we start moving away from the from that spot, and

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we had like maybe fifteen minutes a day like left,

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and it was we're going to take us a good

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hour at least to get off that mountain. He asked

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me if I had my pistol with then I said, yeah,

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of course, I get I got my gun. So we

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start out and we go back down the trail, and

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immediately from my left again and Laurels again, here comes

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a train barrel rolling straight towards us. And he's just like,

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oh my god, it's coming. And I can see the

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Laurels just spreading apart, and then about forty yards away

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it stops and he said, that's a bluff, George. He said,

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we got to go about hour walk down. It took

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us about forty five minutes to get down, and we

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were literally followed on both sides of us from that

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point up to we got within I'm going to say,

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one hundred yards of civilization and then it stopped. We've

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been investigating areas around a lot of the state parks

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around our area and finding a lot of activity there,

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and we're usually we find something when we go out,

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whether it be tree structures or we hear something. Their

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last few times we've been out, it's probably been the

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most vocalization that I've ever heard my life. I mean,

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I was starting to think I was doing something wrong

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because I wasn't hearing all this stuff I was watching

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on YouTube, hearing the whoops and the yells and things.

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But it's like this last year, you know, that increased dramatically.

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And I've said to a lot of people, I don't

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know if it's just me, but I've been hunting, been

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out the woods all my life is inspects is shipped

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in the out there in the mountains. There's a different

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energy out there. It's just like in some places time

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in their stand still. You just you walk into the

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into the woods and you just get that sense that

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something's not right. You don't have that fear that you

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don't need to be there. You don't have that fear

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if I need to turn around and leave, but you

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have that question of, like, what's going on. There's not

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a cricket, there's nothing. That's the only other time I've

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ever had that happening is when there's a predator in area,

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and I can usually pick up for some strange reason,

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whenever they're close to me, I get chill bucks. They

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will just give me like an instant little freeze, like

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a stick you into a freezer for ten seconds and

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pull you back out. That's usually kind of how I

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know they're close to me. I have those interactions almost

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every time I go. I don't know why. I'm blessed.

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I've not had any more negative experiences. We've got some

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really good pictures, we both we have a Facebook page

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of Cryptic Investigations of the Wife of Achia as well

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as YouTube channel. I've got a lot of great pictures

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and some good video there of a lot of stuff,

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and be happy to talk to anybody that's interested to

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talk to us about it. If the viewers want to

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go back onto the like I said, the facebook page,

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go back and look in our videos from last year

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twenty twenty five, there's my last one. There'll be a

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three part video in there. In those three parts, we

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went back to a place that used to be an

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area where a horse riding community used to really be

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a lot bigger than than what it is now. They

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would camp in these places and you know, they would

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haul their supplies in on horseback, you know, sort of

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like the mon pa Engels type things. You know. We

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went back to some clearings back for these places used

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to be and someone had recently been in there and

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I had an interaction. They had a rock thrown at him.

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And there's nobody else in there, and the area is

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not exactly easy to It's you can get to it

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on a dirt road, but the dirt road is really

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if you don't have a full wheel drive that sets

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up high off the ground, it's really not easy to

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get to. So we went back down in there last

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year and just to see where this was, because he

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said there's a great big mud hole down there. He

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said we might be able to walk around there and

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maybe get lucky and find some tracks. So we get

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down there and we park, we walk around the mud hole.

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We're not seeing anything, and I'm looking at up at

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this field and he's telling me that these people were

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camping in this lower side and they said about two

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o'clock in the morning, said there's no all I had

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that there was a campfire. He said, it sounded like

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six to eight horses running through the woods from right

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to the left, center right into the left away from them,

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said everybody, and everybody God woke up, you know, like

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what the heck? You know, got it, like, what's going on?

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Then he went back sometime during the day and that's

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when he got the rock throat at him. So we

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went down there and we start easing around the edge

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of this field and I looked up into the edge

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of the woods and I seen the most It was

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the biggest axe I've ever seen in my life. And

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like I said, I've only been at it for three years.

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People going there and see the video might think, well,

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you know, that's a n see stuff like that all

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the time, you know, great you have. But for me,

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you know, for us three years into this, you know,

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this was pretty pretty spectacular. That little area of probably

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was one hundred yards in diameter, and we had axes,

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we had tree twists, we had arches, we had breaks,

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we had symbols on the ground, and it was just

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a further back you went. The worst it got. We

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actually stayed in earth a little bit too long. We

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each got a rock though behind us. So but you know,

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it wouldn't it wasn't close, it wouldn't aimed at us.

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It was about twenty yards behind us, just a big phone.

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I'm like, okay, and I had that sense, you know,

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they're telling me, you know, hey, you've been here too long,

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get out, and you know we ain't had a chance

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to go back because you know, the like I said,

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the Hurricane Helen really done a lot of done a

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lot of damage on our research areas and getting access

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to them. It really cut us out about seventy percent.

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They're just now getting the roads redone the where you

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can get back in our tool and not have to

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have before wheel drive. So hopefully I have to upcoming

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hip surgery. Once I recuperate from that, hopefully I can

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get back out there. And we got we got plenty

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of places to go, and it's activity around here is

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picked up tremendously. I don't know what it is, but

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this little area it has gotten hot. It seems like

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ever since that little meteor shower deal in Ohio, it's

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not just up there, the activities increased. It's been down

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here a lot.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have drawn connections between Sasquatch and UFOs.

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Maybe there's something to it, maybe there's not. But if

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activity has increased since that meteor shower, do you think

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there's some kind of connection between those two things? Or

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are you seeing what you just did because you think

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it's just a coincidence.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I mean, it's like a

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lot of people ask, you know, what do you think

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is asquatch? Is? You know? And for years, you know,

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I would have told you gigantipathetus. I would argue that.

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But as I got older, I had to start asking

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myself a question, sort of like a detective. I said, Okay,

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if something has remained undiscovered rest of all this time,

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with the exception of what say the Patterson film and

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say the Freeman footage. Nobody talks about the Freeman footage.

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I think that's some really good footage too. Say, if

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we don't have those two things right there, we really

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don't have anything else to go on as far as Bigfoot.

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But when you're talking about the UFOs now and everybody's

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saying they could be inter dimensional, I have to ask myself, Okay,

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it could be possible. When I have people telling me

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that I follow the tracks for one hundred yards and

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it stops in the middle of a dirt field and

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just doesn't it just quits, It just stops, I've heard.

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I've had Native American people tell me that they've followed

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tracks over to an edgewood of a cliff. I had

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a forty foot drop and they looked down over it.

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There's nothing near, but the tracks disappeared. So, you know,

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like I said, I would have thought years ago gigant epithecus.

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That to me for something that's been wrote about, and

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Laith Erickson wrote about seeing hardcover giants along the shores

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in his book long before Columbus, Then this is something

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that's been here since before the Native Americans and the

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Native Americans learned from them. It's on cave drawings, it's

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it's written all over the walls. I don't know. I

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think there's a possibility that could be interdimensional. I do

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not believe that they're in an undiscovered primate because I

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just think of it as an undiscovered primate, man could

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have found some way, somehow to trick them. We found

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just about all the other known primates out there. I mean,

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I think they found a new discovered monkey I think

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a couple of years ago, or some type of in

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a monkey famed chimpanzee family here a few years back.

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But for something that big to you're talking to people

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seeing them from seven foot tall, I've heard twelve feet tall.

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They've got to know how to hide. They would either

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have to have been here all along and know how

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to survive without being acted, or they're here part of

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the time and part of the time they're not. That's

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really about the only ways I can look at it.

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I don't have an answer for that. That's why I'm

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out researching. I have no question. I'm not going to

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argue somebody if they say, well, you know, I believe this.

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You know that's fine, you know what, let's talk about it.

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You know, I'm open to it. You know.

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Speaker 2: When you say you don't think they're just an undiscovered

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prime and I agree if you think about all the

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technology we have, if that's what they were, they would

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have slipped up so many times by now that they

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would have easily have been proven to be in existence. Yeah,

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there's got to be something more to them to explain

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how they've always been able to have the upperhend. So

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I agree. I mean, you know, I mean you go

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back and look through history. I mean there's you know,

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they wrote about draw on cave, drawings on the walls.

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I mean, there's passed down some Native Americans grews as

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far as you can remember. And I mean when I

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started to do this research, that's who I reached out to,

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which was as many Native American people as I could.

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And you know, it took a while.

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Speaker 1: It really took a while to get some of these

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people to open up because a lot of us was like,

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you're just some freaking white dude trying to make a buck.

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You know, I ain't got time to fool with you.

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I've talked to one hundred people just like you. It

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took a while, you know, I said, look, I ain't

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got a dollar sign in my brain for this. This

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is about me. This is my curiosity. This is about

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what I want to find out and share with other people,

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even the people who may be on the fence, even

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the people that don't believe in it whatsoever. You know,

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but still respect opinions. But you know, to try to

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broaden everybody.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good approach, it really is. You just

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mentioned the Freeman footage a moment ago. Now that we're

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talking about footage like that, I'd be remiss if I

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didn't bring up this whole recent morass. Is a good

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way to put it about the Patterson Gimlin film where

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supposedly it's been debunked. Again, what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I call nonsense on that. You can practice anything

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long enough. Now, I will say Bob Eronymus does have

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a nice little walk, but there's children actors out there

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every day that do a whole lot more than what

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he does. So him learning how to walk like that

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doesn't really sway me one side or the other. The

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thing that sways me to one side or the other

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is I watched an interview. It's on YouTube somewhere. I

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can't remember it. There's a guy that was working for

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Disney in the early seventies when they made planned out

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of the apes, and somebody asked him if he thought

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that was a suit and he looked and he said, oh,

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that's the suit. He said, Ah, I know how they

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made it. And he said, because I've not got access

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to those materials. And I worked for He worked for

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Universal Studios. I'm sorry, not Disney. He worked for Universal

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Studios in California and the Hall and the makeup design

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artist is where he was. He said, I've never seen

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anything like that. He said, if you go back and

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look at the episode of The six Million Dollar Man,

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when they had Andre the Giant play the Bigfoot, he said,

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that was as good as they could come up with

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for a TV show that was as popular as that.

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He said, you're telling me that there's technology out there

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that looks like that, but they're going to put that

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on TV for the six million aullar Man episode. And

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he said, come on. So I don't know. I don't.

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I don't believe it. I think if the government wants

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to suppress something, then what's the easiest way to do

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it is to get somebody up. Thursday says, I knows

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the whole secret. I know what. I'll let me tell you.

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Or for enough money, I can spend any kind of

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bs you want me to. You know, I don't believe

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it myself. You know, that's just me. I didn't get

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into it because of Patty. I got into it for

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what happened to me, you know, and Patty was just

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another another piece in the pie. It's like the Freeman footage,

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It's like some of the other footage, you know. I

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think there was another I think on the fourth of

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July footage. I suppose to that mother and the young.

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But then I think somebody said they thought that that

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got proved to be a hoax. But I'm not one

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hundred percent sure on that. But you know, so, I

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don't use trail cameras myself, and I research a lot

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of people do. I don't. I think it's useless. I

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don't think that it's going I don't think you want

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to get I don't think anything that lives breathed twenty

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four seven, three sixty five out there in the woods

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that calls the mountains home. I just don't think that

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this redneck can go out there and fool them and

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get a trail camera set up somewhere that they're not

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going to pick up on it. I think they either

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smell it, or they watch us, or they sense it

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somehow or another. I've tried it for years and never

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gotten anything. I've got one picture of the entire and

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every place I've ever put a camera up where I

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thought it would be a great area. I've got one

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picture and it was a deer. I've got one picture

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that was it, nothing else. So I mean, I just

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I don't think that you'll ever get them on camera.

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I mean, I think I think Patty was I think

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Patty was real. That's just my opinion. I think it

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was a strug look. Because the Native Americans have always

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told me that if you say them, see them, they

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meant for you to see them. There was a reason

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you were chosen. Why, they don't know, but they choose

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who they want to see them. I've heard that from

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several different tribes, all told me the same thing, that

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they choose who they want to see them.

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Speaker 2: I believe that. Yeah, it does seem like they always

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have the upper hand, so if you do see one,

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I agree, But I definitely believe that that they do

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want you to see them if that happens now, being

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as advanced as they obviously are, being able to always

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event our cameras and everything like that, that is when

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they don't want to be caught on film. It doesn't

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sound to me like you think there are forest friends

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quote unquote, With that in mind, what do you think

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they are?

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Speaker 1: I think, honestly, this is is my personal opinion. I

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think that Sasquatch or a different type of people other

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than us. Where they come from, I don't know. I

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watched the American Sasquatch David Polaitis, and I thought that

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was probably one of the most well done pieces of

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documentary on Sasquatch I've seen in a long time. And

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he was talking about the DNA that they got, and

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if I'm not mistaken, I think you said that the

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female DNA was traced back to the Middle East about

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fifteen thousand years ago, and the father's genetic DNA markers

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there was no known match in the DNA database anywhere.

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So you also have people like the late Scott Carpenter,

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who was another person that I followed and watched a

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lot of his videos because he was only about three

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hours away from me in location. So I thought, if

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it's happening in his area, chance star's happening in mine.

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Maybe I could watch his stuff and learn some things,

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and I sure did. Scott was a firm believer that

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they are an ophelium or a fallen angel. Could that

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be possible. Absolutely. I mean, like I said, I won't

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say that you're an ape. I'll never say you're an ape.

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I want to stick with my gut and say that

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they're just some type of an undiscovered form of people.

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Speaker 2: If you're open to the idea or the possibility that

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they might be the nephilm. Have you followed or heard

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about the research that Tim Kumbo Baker did kind of

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following those lines with the show far that he would blow.

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Speaker 1: No, I've not gotten into those deals. I've heard of it,

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I've not watched it.

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Speaker 2: I see. Well, the gist of it is he got

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with I guess a couple religious scholars, and he wanted

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to explore the possibility that that's what these guys were

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or are. So to test that theory, he decided to

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acquire what's called a show far. I think it's a

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kudu horn that if you blow it just right, if

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these guys were Nephilum, are nephilum, they'd be compelled to

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come to him. Well, he got the show far. He

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practiced it for I I guess over a year. Practiced

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and practiced until his lips had blisters on them and bled.

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But after a while after some time of practice and

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with this show far, he blew the show far for

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this one religious scholar to see if he had it downright,

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and the scholar said, yes, that's right, that's how it

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would need to be blown to test this theory. So

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now that he knew he was ready to, he headed

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out into the field where he knew some sasquatch, where

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he blew the horn and a group of them came

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to him immediately. And he tested that in multiple different

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places all over I mean in several states. Every time

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he would go out and blow this show far, sasquatch

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would show up. So it got to the point where

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he started to kind of cringe and think, okay, well,

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I need to be careful because it's been said that

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when the end of the world comes, an angel will

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blow a show far and begin the end of the

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world armageddon. Basically, well, he backed out and stopped doing that,

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but other people who had heard about what he had

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been doing, they practiced blowing their show fars, and they

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became proficient doing that, and I guess people to this

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day are still heading out and blowing the show fars,

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which we could make a whole nother show on that

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I don't like the idea of that at all, But yeah,

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I just wasn't sure if you were aware of any

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of that or not.

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Speaker 1: No, I have never heard of that.

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting, but at the same time it kind

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00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,480
of makes the heir and your butt stand up when

476
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,240
you think about what that all means.

477
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean if iron your button don't

478
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,440
stand up, they don't want anything in encrypted community, then

479
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:43,960
something wrong with you anyway.

480
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,119
Speaker 2: Well, i'd say so. Yeah, no doubt when you had

481
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,920
your first encounter in eighty two there, Jeff, you said

482
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200
that you were twelve and you'd gone to that place

483
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,920
that your dad warned you never.

484
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: To go to. Yeah.

485
00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,799
Speaker 2: Were you mad at your dad later on when you

486
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,200
doubt that he actually knew about Sasquatch being there? Were

487
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,799
you mad that he didn't tell you why he didn't

488
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:06,759
want you to go there?

489
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: No, I wasn't mad. I was at that time. You've

490
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,960
got to remember my dad was in the Marine Corps

491
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:18,799
just right out and on, so you know it was

492
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,880
his generation. Was you speak once, you say it once,

493
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,000
that's it, you know, or you learned the hard way,

494
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:34,160
you know, And I didn't think that he thought I'd

495
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,119
laugh at him, and he honestly told me. He said,

496
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,440
I'm I'm afraid, he said, I just might piss out

497
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,960
of me if gueld a laugh at me, you know,

498
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,200
because I know what I've heard, what I've seen, and

499
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,279
I ain't had somebody laugh at me. They don't know

500
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,599
what he was talking about. He said, So I just

501
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,599
left it alone. I said, why, I just told you

502
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,160
just not to go up there. He said, I thought maybe,

503
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,240
you know, later on, when you were older, you know,

504
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,480
you'd be a little bit more open to understanding why,

505
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,240
he said, But at your age, he said, now, I said,

506
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,680
I know if I told you, you wouldn't believe me,

507
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,559
And he said, you just you'd go anyway. He said,

508
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:11,279
So I figured, if he's going to do it, he said,

509
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,200
one would let you find out. And he said you

510
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,160
went apron and he said, you played around and found out.

511
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,359
He said, that's why he said stay out of there.

512
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,319
It's a different area now, John and I got to

513
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:28,920
go back in there and I actually research it, and

514
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,119
it's been probably, i will say, all rightly ten years.

515
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,640
When we got in there to research it, I'd never

516
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,279
been back in their simpent. That was the first time

517
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:44,519
I had been back in there, and I was going

518
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:48,160
off memory and let John taught me into going back

519
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680
in there, because you know, he says, like he said,

520
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,920
if you don't do it, he said, you'll wonder the

521
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,559
rest of your life. What is it? You know? Can

522
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,920
I go back? Was it just a one time thing?

523
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,559
What is it? Go? He said, let's go look, Let's

524
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:05,599
just go take a look. And I was like, okay,

525
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,160
let's go. So we went back and I showed him,

526
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,279
you know where I came off the bank, the little stream.

527
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,680
I ran through the whole nine yards and the whole time,

528
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,920
you know, Harold, the back of my neck is it's

529
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,200
standing straight up. I mean it's pulling at me, just

530
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,559
like you know. I was nervous as a cat. But

531
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:33,200
you know, we got in there and he just looked

532
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,000
at me and he said, this place is looks like

533
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:39,079
it's Jurassic Park compared to what it was around the corner.

534
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,440
And I said, yeah, I said, that's a different thing.

535
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,599
Something else about this place. It's different. It looks like

536
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,880
it's aged and I'm not kidding you, fifty years compared

537
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,720
to what it is around the corner. It's dark. There's

538
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:03,640
no sound ever, no birds, no crickets, no squirrels, you

539
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,440
don't see, no deer, you don't I've never jumped a

540
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,480
deer in there ever, ever jumped deer in there, Never

541
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:14,400
seen a deer. And I've got them all over me

542
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,239
just half mile, not not even it's not even that

543
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,000
far a quarterm off. I got them all over me.

544
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,880
So I know there's deer there, but I've never seen

545
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,920
one up there. So John and I go in there

546
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,599
and we start up this bank. John finds an impression

547
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:40,079
what the track was an impression, and we measured that impression.

548
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:44,840
That was fourteen inches they said, They said, you know,

549
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,880
they said, this is pretty pretty fresh, and I'm like,

550
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,119
I don't like my taple. You know, I don't know

551
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,920
nothing about it. He asked you I find out before

552
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400
this was going to it. I said, yeah, there's there's

553
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,719
a game trail. I said. It runs around in the

554
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,360
middle of this ridge. And I said, up here at

555
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,360
the tapas it was a fallen white o great big tree.

556
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,840
And I said, it's laid right on the edge of

557
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,920
that trail. He's like you, thank you for still there.

558
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,280
And I said, well, ain't nobody come out here and

559
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,559
move that. I guarantee it's still there. You know, you

560
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:16,400
can't get back earth to vehicle to get to it,

561
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,760
and ain't nobody going to cut it up. So we

562
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,960
got back there and I pointed to it, I said, look,

563
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,199
ear the third Well, we followed those impressions all the

564
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,760
way up there, and neither one of us had any track,

565
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,280
any claster or anything like that. And he didn't bring

566
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,280
his camera. I didn't have it. I didn't I didn't

567
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,400
have mine. And it was the only time I've ever

568
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,639
found three tracks. We found fourteen inch track at the top.

569
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,920
We found the eleven inch track that was off to

570
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,880
the side at the top, and then we've seen a

571
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,440
seventeen inch track that joined in with the fourteen inch

572
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:58,880
tracks up at the top. We figured that the smaller

573
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,760
one was the juvenile. We heard something take off running

574
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,519
to our left, just steam rolling through the brush, I thought,

575
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:11,920
because it possibly could have been a bear. But you know,

576
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:16,480
I didn't say nothing, could smell nothing, just heard it. Well,

577
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:18,719
his girlfriend was down at the bottom of the hill

578
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,199
and we come. Well, she thought it was us. She

579
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,239
said she saw two dark figures come out of the

580
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,719
tree line. Well, she went back and set back in

581
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,920
the car because she she knew it was us where

582
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,360
she said. When she shut the door, something hit the

583
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,519
top of the car and she got out. It was

584
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:43,760
a rock laid on top of the car, laid through

585
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,920
the rock from up there and hit her car. We

586
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,599
were fifteen minutes behind him, she thought, said she thought

587
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,440
it was us until she saw saw the two dark

588
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,320
figures just disappear at the bottom of the hill and

589
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,920
we never come down. And then she looked up a

590
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,239
few minutes later and saw west coming. And then she said,

591
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,960
I got paid myself because I just realized I just

592
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,119
saw two sasquatch walk down that ridge and they thow

593
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:09,599
that rock. She still got the rock.

594
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 2: What you just told us about that throwing that rock

595
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,000
and hit on the top of the car she was sitting,

596
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,719
And it made me think of something. Have you noticed

597
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,239
how when most experiencers have an to counter with a

598
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,920
sasquatch where they're throwing rocks and everything. To me, it

599
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,280
seems like they normally make a habit of taking it

600
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,119
easy on vehicles. They don't make a habit out of

601
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,400
throwing rocks and hitting trucks or cars with them. Is

602
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,440
it just me or have you noticed that as well?

603
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,159
Speaker 1: Well? She said that's not the first time they've had

604
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:43,440
a rock with your vehicle, So I don't know if

605
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,480
it was just their energy to you know, if it's

606
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,320
something that was because that's the last, like I told you,

607
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,920
I've had to rock through of the once and that

608
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,719
was the last time that you know, Andy, and I

609
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,840
was out where I told you worried about that three

610
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,719
part video, and that's just because I was in there

611
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,079
too far and I was singing too much that I

612
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:09,559
had never seen before in such a small area, and

613
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,880
it was getting close to dark, and I got I

614
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,400
got a real good picture of something that came out

615
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:22,239
from from in there. I said, I'm a firm believer.

616
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,639
I think there's a portal in there, something to something.

617
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Because we came out after the rock, we went back down.

618
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:33,960
There's a picnic table, an old picnic table still sits

619
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,480
down there. We went down there to it and sat

620
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,360
down and I told him, I said, I ain't getting

621
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,199
in this truck and leaving just yet. I said, I

622
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,559
want to stay here. Said they don't think that we

623
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:48,960
was up to something and just immediately get out of here.

624
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:53,239
The seconding of the rock, I said, I'm not moving.

625
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,159
I said, I'm staying down here for a few minutes.

626
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,679
So we sat down on the end of that at

627
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:02,000
the picnic table. Will Andy was watching up from where

628
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,360
we were at and there was a little clump of

629
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,960
trees up off to our left about I was about

630
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,960
seventy five yards and he said, hey, he said, look

631
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,400
at birth to them, to look a little clump of

632
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,639
trees And I said, okay, I said, what about them?

633
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:18,599
He said that light that was there just a second

634
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,440
that goes down. He said, you can see all the

635
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,280
way through those just a second ago. And I was like, well, yeah,

636
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:26,320
I said, you're right. He said, you can't see nothing

637
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,719
there now, and it wouldn't because we were losing sunlight.

638
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,840
It wouldn't that blow yet. I said, there's something there.

639
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,519
I said, I don't know what. I said, let me

640
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:41,639
see what I get it. I snapped a picture of it.

641
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: That was a good job noticing the blocking of the

642
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,719
forest there, that opening in the forest. Most people wouldn't

643
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,559
have even noticed that.

644
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, I just had to see it. He

645
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,239
just said, all of a sudden, he said, it got

646
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,320
dark right there. And he said, there's no reason for

647
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,119
it to get dark. And he didn't see nothing. Walk

648
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,079
in there because we had a good open it was

649
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,519
open behind it, so we should have been able to

650
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,400
see something if it walked out from the woods to

651
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,599
go in there to we should have been able to

652
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:12,360
see that. And there wasn't nothing there. But there was

653
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,760
something there. I mean, I got a good picture of it.

654
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,119
And we were on the other side of it, and

655
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,599
we uh, he saw a dog man track that they

656
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:26,119
didn't have his camera over there, and it was on

657
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:30,840
the other side of the campground. A lot of this stuff. People,

658
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,280
if I told them where it was and how close

659
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:44,559
it is to people, they would lose their minds. Oh

660
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:48,039
of course they would, Yeah, they would. They would lose

661
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:53,039
their flipping minds. I'm not kidding. I'm talking. This is

662
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:59,360
in campgrounds, this is in state parks. Are infested. I'm

663
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:05,079
just going to tell state parks are infested. There's not

664
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,960
any hunt inside the state parks. There's plenty of game

665
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:11,239
in the state parks because they make sure that they

666
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,519
plan all these pretty fields and they have all this

667
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,719
nice stuff. There's always going to be things like that

668
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,280
reside in the National Forest and the state parks that

669
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,159
you have access to not be able to ever get to.

670
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: Well more, could they want. So it's no wonder that there.

671
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean, why else would you have places in state parks.

672
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:36,480
I didn't know this, but the guy told me that

673
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,679
not if it's true. And now I'm not saying this

674
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,639
is so, I don't want anybody out there jumping on

675
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,480
me saying I'm spreading false information. I'm just telling you

676
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:51,960
what I was told from somebody that supposedly retired from

677
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:58,559
the Great Smoky Mountains National State Park. Down there. They

678
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,599
said that there's places in there that they close at

679
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:08,159
dark and don't go into the daylight for no reason.

680
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: That's scary.

681
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: So they go through there and they make it control toy,

682
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,440
make sure there's no cars in there. They shut the

683
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,519
gate at dark and they don't open it till daylight,

684
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,480
and that's sign everything that's off them. It's not patrol

685
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:28,679
the daylight. Now, whether or not that's true, I don't know,

686
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:33,679
but that's what he said. He said there's places in

687
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,199
this and he said he said the whole Appalachian Mountains

688
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,440
is one huge port, and he said the Smokies is

689
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,519
infestive with all of it. He said he's seen everything

690
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:53,320
down there, from the dog man to skin walkers UFOs.

691
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,480
He said he's seen enough of that down there, and

692
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,800
he said he was done. He said, what I got after?

693
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Where I could retire? He said, I left. He said

694
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,559
I didn't have a hard job. He said, I hated

695
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:10,519
working night shift. He said it's a different he said,

696
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:12,639
it's a different, different part. He said, one of the

697
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:17,559
smokies go dark. He said, it's a different world. He said,

698
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:22,440
we're not meant to be out there at night when

699
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,679
all these things are out there. He said, we're not

700
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,480
supposed to be there. They said, that's why people have

701
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:32,119
negative experiences in tonight. I ain't got the business being there.

702
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,679
You're interrupting your routine, you know, he said. Think of

703
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,480
it like this. You come home and there's more people

704
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:48,280
in your house at one o'clock in the morning. This

705
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,679
is what your reaction you want to be.

706
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 2: That's a good way to sum it up. Think about

707
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,239
all the people who don't even know about cryptids, so

708
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,159
go out there in camp and do all this and

709
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,480
do that, and then they wind up bumping in something

710
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:00,920
like that.

711
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: Yep, I mean you think about this. Think about the

712
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,360
Appleachian Trail. You aren't not allowed to have a firearm

713
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,320
on the apple Aachian Trail.

714
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 2: Legally you're not. No, well I didn't know that.

715
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: Unless they changed that. Well, on the Appalachian Trail itself,

716
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,000
you're not allowed to have a firearm on the Applelache

717
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,239
and Trail, I think because it crosses so many different

718
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:34,280
state boundaries and jurisdictions and all this other stuff. But yeah, no,

719
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,519
you're not supposed to have a fire arm. It's like

720
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:40,519
a federal, federal thing. I'm not going out there. I

721
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,239
just take a chance. They just have to tache take

722
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,039
me Jeff having a gun because bearon mace is only

723
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:47,800
going to do so much.

724
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:55,159
Speaker 2: I have no doubt about that. Out of that, Yeah,

725
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,559
I do understand. How do you you think it is

726
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:03,039
that they can throw rocks with what could almost seem

727
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:07,320
to be supernatural accuracy.

728
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, i've the first time I

729
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,440
heard about the rocks was on that same the same

730
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:21,079
mountain that John and I got escorted off of. Now

731
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,280
I want the volt. This man's name, I'll say that

732
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:35,440
he was a oh my gosh, he worked in the

733
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:43,960
forestry division. I'll say that retired. No reason to lie.

734
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:50,679
Somebody I've named ever since I was a child. They

735
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,400
were up there. He had other interest, what led him

736
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:01,719
up that mountain and something start throwing rocks at him. Now,

737
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,199
this guy is probably one.

738
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: Of the type of people that would try to find

739
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,440
every other solution other than what it could be before

740
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,320
he goes to that subject. But when he told Dad

741
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,760
that something was throwing rocks at him, and he said,

742
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,280
not just wonder too, he said, I was getting rocks thrown,

743
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:34,920
He said, not rolled thrown. He said, there's only he said,

744
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,199
you got to have hands to throw, he said. Before

745
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,159
I was at he said, was in a.

746
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: Campground during the off season, with the gates closed and locked,

747
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,159
and he was the only one there because he was

748
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:56,559
the only one that had to keep that was in there.

749
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,960
He's the only vehicle. There was nobody else on that mountain,

750
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,119
he said. I rode down to the other entries entry

751
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,159
points and up the other entry points to see if

752
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,559
it could possibly been anybody else in there on us.

753
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:13,599
He said, there was nobody there. He says, no, couldn't

754
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,920
have been anybody. He said. They weren't getting close to

755
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,119
hitting me. He said, they were just thrown enough to

756
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:25,119
let me know get out. They said, you got to

757
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,320
have hands to throw. And if they've been living all

758
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,920
this time, undiscovered. You know, they've had to hunt, so

759
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,400
they've had I'm sure they've had to use rocks. That uh,

760
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:42,519
that oak tree I told you about that was up

761
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:47,440
there on that trail. The scary part about that is

762
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,079
is that I told you it's a game trail up there.

763
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,880
That game trail. I can promise you right now, if

764
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,239
I took you up there to it, it would it

765
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,440
would be worn down to the mud, just like it's

766
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:00,400
been since nineteen eighty two when I say it the

767
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,800
first time, and I was that way the last time

768
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,840
I was up there, it was wore down to the mud.

769
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,400
The deer use that trail religiously because it cuts right

770
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,639
through the laurel thickets and you cannot see from uptop

771
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,440
on the mountain. You cannot see down earth to that trail.

772
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:26,760
It's completely hid by the laurels and there's nothing down

773
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,960
there but water, laurels and water, and that's it. Perfect

774
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,360
thicket with a mountain string back there. But you go

775
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,639
right up there before that blowdown is and all you

776
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,440
have to do, something has to do is just set

777
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:49,000
and wait for something to come down that trail and

778
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,039
snatch it right there. And then that's about sixty feet

779
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,800
to the bottom. What if I just grab the deer

780
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,079
and throat it by the neck down to the bottom,

781
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,679
and then went back down, picked it up the shoulders,

782
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:02,280
walked off.

783
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't get any more convenient than that. And I'm sure

784
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,880
it's not lost on you that in a lot of cases,

785
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,039
when you have a game trail like that, a distance

786
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,760
off of that game tril, you'll also have another trill

787
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,239
that sasquatch was sometimes used monitor that game trail. Did

788
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,119
you ever look for a sasquatch trail like that?

789
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,039
Speaker 1: Well, that's where we found those impressions. Was going up

790
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:32,199
to that, going up to that trail, that's where those

791
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,440
that's where they were going to. But they went straight

792
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,039
up through that through the Laurel thicket. And we still

793
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:40,360
can't figure out why in the world it went through

794
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,000
that laurel thicket. I don't because that's where we followed

795
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:44,800
the impressions all the way. We were on our hands

796
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,480
and knees at that point, following those impressions, pulling ourselves

797
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,800
up through there too. But it was that's how steep

798
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,159
it was. It was not you weren't walking up it.

799
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,360
We had to lay down on our bellies, get our

800
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,119
hands knees, and we pulled ourselves up and crawl with

801
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,280
it to literally get up to it. I couldn't get

802
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,639
up at noun. There's no way. That's the way my

803
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,000
hip is. But I mean, like I said, it's straight up.

804
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,559
Speaker 2: Wow, that's some rough country right there.

805
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's They used to have an old meal

806
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,760
back in there years ago. Well I think they made brick,

807
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:16,960
an old brick furns back in there. And this just

808
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,599
a big old hollow back there, and it's just it's surrounded.

809
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:22,639
There's nothing but Laurel. You go back there and you

810
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,000
just you're surrounded by it. It's all around you, everywhere

811
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,920
you look. It's just you're the only open spot that

812
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,880
there is and you're surrounded by Mount Laurel.

813
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: Have be a great place for them to hunt.

814
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you know I heard about him, you know,

815
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,599
my dad told me about him and his mom. You know,

816
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,960
they talked about hearing them said they'd scream on one

817
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:50,960
ridge and then two three seconds later said you'd hear

818
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,719
one scream on this ridge, and ain't you back? He said,

819
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,559
They said they used to hear that all the time

820
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:02,760
whenever he was a kid. He said, he's his grandmother

821
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,440
was a full blood Cherokee. She passed away whenever long

822
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,679
before I was born. I seen pictures of her, and

823
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,559
she looked like she'd probably been a rough woman to

824
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:18,639
run across a little bitty thing. But my dad told

825
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:21,440
me he's because when he told me what it was,

826
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:23,920
when after I told you when I got run out

827
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:25,760
and all that, and he told me it was big.

828
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,199
But I kind of looked at him real funny. I

829
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:29,599
didn't call him a liar, and I kind of looked

830
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,159
at him. I was like what, And he he said,

831
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,159
hang on, before you say another word. He said, he said,

832
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:40,400
go down there and ask mommy what happened to her

833
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:45,000
sister up on that mountain. He said, come back and

834
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,440
let me know what she tells you. I said, okay,

835
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:51,559
So I went down there under my grandmother and I said, hey,

836
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:55,840
I said, what happened to Aunt Grace up here on

837
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,280
the mountain? And she said, oh, you mean she's stepped

838
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,840
up on that big foot And I'm like, well, I

839
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,760
guess that's what he's talking about. I don't know. I said, yeah,

840
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:12,719
I said okay, what, yeah, tell me that and she

841
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,480
said they went up her to pick huckleberries and she

842
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:20,239
said her and her mom and her sisters. She said

843
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,679
they went up there and she said there was a

844
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,840
big old patch of huckleberries up there. She said they

845
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,119
went up first, started picking, and she said mom was

846
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:35,400
on one bush, and Grace was with her, and my

847
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,760
grandmother and her other two sisters was scattered out. You know,

848
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,719
they're all within fifty yards one another. And she said,

849
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,360
all of a sudden, she said she heard Grace scream

850
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,199
and said she heard that her little metal pale hit

851
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,920
the ground, and she said her mommy could come running

852
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,960
over and said, you know what are you screaming about?

853
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,039
And she said, I do. Walked around the corner of

854
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:03,159
this hunkerberry patch and she said, he's a big hurry

855
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:07,599
Harry Mann standing on the other side of the hunkherberry patch.

856
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,960
And she said he's taller than I am. And my

857
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,480
aunt Grace was six foot two, and she said, and

858
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:18,800
she was looking up at it, and she my dad said,

859
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,440
one of my grandmother said that. Mommy looked her straight

860
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,480
in the face and said, it's just that Harry Man

861
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:26,480
of the Mountains. He ain't gonna bother nothing. He's picking

862
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:28,400
berries just like we are. She said, pick you pack

863
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,639
it up. Go back to picking. She said, she turned around,

864
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:33,880
walked off and went back. She said, my grandmother went

865
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,840
back to picking. She said, mommy went back to picking. Well,

866
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,719
she said, Grace no said. She said she left, said

867
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,079
she picked her pail up, left. She said, she made

868
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:44,639
the rest of us day. She said, we stayed right

869
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:48,360
a heart a dark pick. She said, they've been up

870
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,000
here ever since she lived, she's been alive. And she

871
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,960
said they ain't gonna bother you if you don't bother them.

872
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:58,119
She said, she didn't give it. I have no worries

873
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,280
about it being there whatsoever. She said, it is like

874
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,360
you know, straight dog.

875
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,639
Speaker 2: Imagine the stories that she could tell.

876
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, I thought what I'd give, what

877
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:12,920
I'd give just to be able to go back and

878
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,559
talk to her about just about that.

879
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: Well, I'd say, so I can only imagine.

880
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: Because I mean, I couldn't imagine just seeing pictures of

881
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,119
how little she was, because she was a little woman.

882
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,519
But Daddy said she was toughed a tenpenny nail.

883
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: I believe it. I don't doubt that.

884
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,679
Speaker 1: So she didn't have no fair sit. I mean, but

885
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,119
she got to bemb back in those days too. They

886
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,559
walked everywhere. You know, they had you know, there was

887
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:43,400
a lot of these roads were dirt roads cut through

888
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,280
the mountains. I mean, that's what they walked. I mean

889
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,079
these a lot of these people would walk. It's nine

890
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:54,840
miles from where I live to the nearest town. The

891
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,800
people would get they would walk that. If they had

892
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,320
to go to the doctor and the next town can't

893
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,000
find a ride, well they got up. I had to

894
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:08,079
breakfast and start walking. You know, that's what they've done,

895
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:14,159
you know. So, I mean these stories went back here

896
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,239
so far. We heard so many. Andy and I. We

897
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,280
didn't find out until we got linked up together. They

898
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,440
were actually distantly related on my dad's side of the family.

899
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,119
And we come to find out that where I had

900
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:38,000
my encounter and where Andy had his encounter is on

901
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:46,360
the same mountain range. His grandfather told him to stay

902
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,840
off the north side of the mountain at all costs.

903
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,320
I guess where the north side of the mountains. That's

904
00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:00,559
on my side. So we have an area right along

905
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:03,800
and through there. We called it, we called it middle Ground.

906
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,880
We got some really really good pictures, and our people

907
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,800
just have to go back and from the start and

908
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,679
and go back and see all the pictures and stuff.

909
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,480
We've got some really really good pictures. I've got some.

910
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,880
I've got one that M. K. Davis enhanced the photo

911
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,840
for me and I still don't have a clue what

912
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,599
I'm looking at in that picture. And that was the

913
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:38,440
first expedition that Andy and I went on up there

914
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:45,079
to middle Ground, and once again it was it was

915
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,920
a feeling. We got back there. It was two miles.

916
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:53,400
We were two miles deep before we got to you.

917
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,880
And Andy found what you call it Indian market trees.

918
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,800
Have you ever seen it? Though? Go straight up, then

919
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,880
they'll go straight out. Then they turned to go straight

920
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,519
back up again.

921
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

922
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: Andy found one of those and he was kind of

923
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,920
looking around that area down there. Well, I heard something

924
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,760
to my left, really loud. Take a step and break

925
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,760
it and break it. Not a branch, but a limb.

926
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:28,960
This was a pop. And I snapped my head over

927
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:35,519
and I just said, okay, you're over here, and then

928
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:37,280
Andy was hollering. He said, you know what is it?

929
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,760
I said, here's something something right here. I said, I

930
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,639
don't know what. I said, there's something in here, and

931
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:50,320
they said, you know, we had we were short on time.

932
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,079
They had to turn around and leave and I took one.

933
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:59,920
I took a snapshot picture right there, and I said

934
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:05,280
it back to a Native American friend of mine and

935
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,480
I asked her, I said, look at this picture for me.

936
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,760
I said, there's something. There was something there. I said,

937
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,440
why I took this picture? I said, I don't know

938
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,880
what's there. Well, she spotted what she said was a

939
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,360
juvenile fast watch off to the side of a chury.

940
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,280
So she said, that's what I was saying, was what

941
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,920
was over there? And if that was the case, you know,

942
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:39,559
it was thirty yards maybe and there was nothing in

943
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,039
between us, but are an opportunity. I couldn't see it,

944
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,400
but it was our on a picture, but there was

945
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:52,920
something in behind it and the lawyers that I still

946
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,320
don't have a clue what it is. You know, to

947
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,039
post it on some word for somebody to see, I

948
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:02,199
won't care because I posted them already on our page

949
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:04,320
and the YouTube channel, so it's it's already out there.

950
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,519
Speaker 2: So so that you know, if anyone listening that wants

951
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:11,360
to check out these pictures, I'm going to post links

952
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,920
to the Facebook page for the CIA and that'll make

953
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,039
it really easy for you to find. Just go to

954
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:19,800
the description for tonight's show and you can click on

955
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,679
it and it'll take you right to their page.

956
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out. We got so we got started.

957
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:27,960
This will be three years. I think we got started

958
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,599
in it in March. I think it's twenty twenty four.

959
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:34,440
I think so we actually got got lost up, got

960
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,960
started in it. So we're just, you know, a little

961
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,039
of two years into it yet. But enjoy it. I

962
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:47,159
just absolutely enjoy it. It's it's interesting to go out

963
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:51,920
there and look for something that doesn't want to be

964
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,800
found and try to find remnants of where they being

965
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:03,000
and see the different way they bend a tree, and

966
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:08,800
it's just it's crazy. I had a tree twister in

967
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:16,880
a state park that it went over one trail completely.

968
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,880
It was like twelve feet tall and it went from

969
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,880
one trail straight over the other side. It was twisted

970
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:32,000
and shoved in the ground on the other side. That

971
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:34,920
picture is on there. Everybody will look at that and

972
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,760
they look. I said, man, that's the prettiest arch I've

973
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,280
ever seen. Now it's no longer there. It got cut

974
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,800
down as I started finding some really good stuff on

975
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,639
that trail and then all of a sudden, guess what,

976
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:53,480
my trail gets shut down the gates locked. Imagine that

977
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:55,519
if I want to get on it, I have to

978
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:59,320
walk a whole walk further. And then they went in

979
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,800
there and cut down a lot of that stuff and so,

980
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,960
and it was named for trail maintenance. But the funny

981
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,880
thing of it was Victor and I went out there

982
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,519
and walked all the way out that trail. Guess what,

983
01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:14,960
it looked exactly the same as I had every other

984
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,679
time I've been in there, with the exceptions and the

985
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:20,639
stuff that they cut down. I go out there and

986
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:26,039
I automatically they know why I'm there, let's put it

987
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:26,400
that way.

988
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure they do. Sounds like they've been keeping

989
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:30,960
an eye on you.

990
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:35,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, And they know what I'm out

991
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:39,440
there looking for. I told them. And here's the funny thing.

992
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,199
They've been had a festival back there years ago, but

993
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,599
now it's like taboo. Shut up, don't say nothing. Just

994
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:48,400
buy a T shirt. It's got, you know, from the

995
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,400
gift shop. But other than that, the last.

996
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: Questions, funny how that works, isn't it?

997
01:01:53,519 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? And yeah, money rules at all, brother.

998
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say so. If you've had a big foot

999
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,039
sight and would like to be a guest please go

1000
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:05,920
to bigfoote Witness dot com and let me know what's

1001
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,239
about time for us to call him. But before we do,

1002
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,360
for anyone listening who wants to report a sighting we

1003
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,000
have had in the Appalachian Mountains to you there, Jeff

1004
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:15,960
or the c I A what's the best way for

1005
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,679
them to do that?

1006
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:22,079
Speaker 1: Well, you can certainly you can message us on on

1007
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:25,280
our Facebook page. I'll get it. It'll come straight to

1008
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,639
may Or Andy. Uh. Andy's he's got the Uh he

1009
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:32,320
runs the YouTube channel and uh, he's we got it

1010
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,840
on TikTok too. I forgot to and so the TikTok

1011
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,400
up there. He runs those two and I take care

1012
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,920
of the Facebook page. But I have a contact bot

1013
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:45,199
right there. If you was to have something, got a question, anything,

1014
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,639
you know, please reach out. I love to talk to

1015
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,840
anybody about it. I don't pretend to know what all.

1016
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,559
And uh, you know, I'm not going to argue with anybody.

1017
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,760
You know, it's not what I hate that about this

1018
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,639
whole stuff, about this Becker sis. There's so much negativity

1019
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:11,320
between people and researchers, and I don't understand it. I

1020
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,239
do not understand it. I think if if I'm into this.

1021
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:19,440
If we're into this here in Virginia, and you know,

1022
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:20,880
we alder to be able to go link up as

1023
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,679
people in Texas, Arizona, Arkansas, wherever, and it not be

1024
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,000
a freaking pisson contest about whose methods you're right and

1025
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,679
who believes you're right, and who's right and who's wrong

1026
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,880
because they ain't. Nobody got a slab on the special.

1027
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:41,480
Nobody knows nothing. We're all guessing. I don't care if

1028
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,159
it's the people on TV. I'm not going to name

1029
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:48,039
their names. You know everybody knows who they are. But

1030
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:52,559
you can't go out here and tell me that you

1031
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,039
can take a camera crew in the middle of the

1032
01:03:54,119 --> 01:04:00,599
night twenty people. You're gonna find squat. If you got that, hey,

1033
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,360
hook me up. I will walk you all over the

1034
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,719
mountains with whatever film crew you want for as long

1035
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,199
as you want the middle of night. You want to

1036
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:11,440
pay me to do it. We ain't gonna find nothing,

1037
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:12,960
but we'll walk around in the woods and make all

1038
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:16,840
kinds of noise pretend that we do. But you're not

1039
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,280
going to do that. You're not going to get close

1040
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,760
to something like that unless you go walk down in

1041
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,039
the middle of woods in the middle of the night,

1042
01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:25,960
sat down and shut up, then they'll come.

1043
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing all that does make for a good show,

1044
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,519
but pretty darn poor results.

1045
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: It's good for ratings, but that's it. They never have nothing.

1046
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,599
It's because you got twenty people out there instead of four.

1047
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,239
Speaker 2: Oh sure, but yeah, like we talked about, it does

1048
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,679
make for good ratings, but you know that.

1049
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: Is Thank you for bringing me out, Vic, I greatly

1050
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:51,599
appreciate man.

1051
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for coming on. I appreciate your

1052
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,519
time and if I can never help you out in

1053
01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,000
the future, please let me know I'll be there for you.

1054
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:02,320
Thanks again so much for your time, and have a

1055
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:02,840
great night.

1056
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 4: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with

1057
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:17,280
Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would

1058
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,320
like to be a guest on the show, please go

1059
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,239
to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd

1060
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:27,480
love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a

1061
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:34,280
great night.