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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bletso Said So, guys, this is an episode
Speaker 1: that I think has been a long time coming. Today
Speaker 1: we are joined by my friend Miguel Connor, who I
Speaker 1: personally have been following for around seven or eight years now.
Speaker 1: First heard him on a couple of shows talking about
Speaker 1: gnosticism and I have to say he's probably the best
Speaker 1: one out here doing it. So I'm excited to get
Speaker 1: into this. But before we go too far, I just
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Speaker 1: further ado, Miguel from aon Bite radio podcast, how are
Speaker 1: you doing, my brother.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. Thanks for having you on dude.
Speaker 1: It's an honor, It's an absolute honor. And before we
Speaker 1: go too far, because some times I tend to forget,
Speaker 1: would you mind dropping your channels so that people can
Speaker 1: find you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got a couple of pages. The gnostic one
Speaker 4: is the God Above God dot com and then for
Speaker 4: my main page that leads to different podcasts and my
Speaker 4: Elvis book and other books. It's just migueliconnor dot com.
Speaker 4: So either one of those will lead you to where
Speaker 4: you need to go, including social media and so forth.
Speaker 1: I love that, dude, the fact that you wrote a
Speaker 1: book about Elvis Presley. You know, I was in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: Ohio two years ago for a wedding and we went
Speaker 1: to the Rock and Roll Museum and there's an entire
Speaker 1: room of Elvis. Have you seen it in person?
Speaker 4: No, I haven't had the pleasure.
Speaker 1: You should definitely go because in the Elvis room and
Speaker 1: it's massive too. Right in the Elvis room, there's a
Speaker 1: whole wall of his esoteric and gnostic obsessions and personal
Speaker 1: trink that he had in his possession throughout his life.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: So when I saw that you were releasing your book
Speaker 1: about you know, the occult Elvis information, I was just like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: this is so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been to Graceland and you can find those
Speaker 4: books right there. And Yeah, Elvis himself was a big
Speaker 4: eupology guy. He was ahead of the curve. He had
Speaker 4: sophisticated views in the early sixties, and he experienced three
Speaker 4: extra terrestrial events. If you know, so he was he'd
Speaker 4: be right at home with us, if you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, because that was his thing, understanding the intersection
Speaker 4: of UFO religion, mysticism, ancient astronaut all that stuff. And again,
Speaker 4: he was a very as I said, he's a very
Speaker 4: sophisticated thinker. He speculated without having to, you know, commit
Speaker 4: to a different one. And he thought, you know, the
Speaker 4: little Green men with combustion, and wasn't it it was
Speaker 4: something much more complicated.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, let's peel that back, right, So the God
Speaker 1: above God, let's talk about that.
Speaker 4: That's actually a term that a Orthodox theologian came up with,
Speaker 4: Paul Tillic, and when describing the Gnostics, he was talking
Speaker 4: about how they believed in a god above God. In
Speaker 4: other words, we here on planet Earth have been conditioned
Speaker 4: to worship or think that the supreme Being is this
Speaker 4: Yahweh or Allao or Indra and so forth, the creator God,
Speaker 4: the God that manages our universe. And the Gnostics positive
Speaker 4: know this God was at his best inferior, at his worst,
Speaker 4: he was demonic, and above them was a even higher
Speaker 4: God which was more of the font of con sciousness,
Speaker 4: undivided consciousness, the ground of being, you know, the source
Speaker 4: of everything. And that's sort of the deity that the
Speaker 4: Gnostics were, you might say, trying to reach, trying to
Speaker 4: make contact with and experience.
Speaker 1: Something I'm very fascinated about pertaining to the Gnostics is
Speaker 1: the through line to the mystery traditions of ancient Egypt,
Speaker 1: you know, India, Greece, Persia, all that good stuff. So
Speaker 1: I want to get into some of that today because
Speaker 1: when we last chat, we had a pretty epic conversation
Speaker 1: about that stuff, and I'm just like really seeking to
Speaker 1: sort of expand that connection. So what are you. Let's
Speaker 1: just go from there. I'm curious to know, like, how
Speaker 1: you got into gnosticism, how where you were at before
Speaker 1: in your life, what led you to finding this viewpoint
Speaker 1: and ultimately accepting it.
Speaker 4: It's a good it's a good perfect to start with
Speaker 4: Egypt because indeed, as most scholars now are agreeing, gnosticism
Speaker 4: is an Egyptian religion. It came from it was a
Speaker 4: continuation of the ancient Egyptian mysteries, that shamanism in the
Speaker 4: desert and Upper Egypt and so forth, and it you know, eventually,
Speaker 4: as the theory goes, there were these ancient shamanistic Egyptian mysteries,
Speaker 4: and in the Greco Roman world, you know, new religions
Speaker 4: were being pushed by these other empires, and these priests
Speaker 4: sort of handed it down to Pagans and probably Hellenistic
Speaker 4: Jews and so forth, and they eventually and this evolved
Speaker 4: into what we call classical gnosticism. But it is without
Speaker 4: a doubt an Egyptian really religion, by the rituals, by
Speaker 4: the iconography, by the myths so much. And that's that's
Speaker 4: certainly it's very important to understand because most mainstream people
Speaker 4: and preachers still go, well, it's just a Christian heresies like, no,
Speaker 4: not really, It's it's older. It's a very primordial form
Speaker 4: of shamanism, ecstatic religion that tends to be very intellectual
Speaker 4: speculative because it was informed by Greek thought and so forth.
Speaker 4: So that is that's where we can start with the
Speaker 4: origins of gnosticism.
Speaker 3: And it's for me.
Speaker 4: I mean, like many people, I've always been a seeker,
Speaker 4: you might call I often call myself a spiritual hitchhiker,
Speaker 4: you know, try to look for answers. You know, I've
Speaker 4: I've done everything. I was raised Roman Catholic, but I've
Speaker 4: tried Evangelical Christianity, Atheism, Hinduism, Buddhism, I mean, New Age,
Speaker 4: I've tried it. And when I encounter Gnosticism, probably in
Speaker 4: my mid to late thirties, I found a system that
Speaker 4: worked for me, that helped me understand, you know, the
Speaker 4: bigger questions, where do we come from, what's the source
Speaker 4: of evil, what's the nature of reality?
Speaker 3: And it just worked for me.
Speaker 4: I mean, your mileage may vary in All systems have
Speaker 4: holes in them. There's no perfect logical system. And I
Speaker 4: often think, you know, mysticism isn't supposed to be logical.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be experiential and help you understand and
Speaker 4: grow as a human being and have contact behind the veil.
Speaker 4: And again, gnosticism. It just worked for me, and since
Speaker 4: then I've been studying it and learning it and again
Speaker 4: trying to experience what the Gnostics experienced thousands of years ago.
Speaker 1: It does seem kind of like the ultimate package. The
Speaker 1: more you start to pull it apart, right, I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like in the ancient past, before the Great
Speaker 1: Empire of the Church, you know, I think it was
Speaker 1: a time where people were just exploring these mysteries and
Speaker 1: they were connecting with these other cultures and temples and
Speaker 1: other you know, nations, and they were transmitting their knowledge
Speaker 1: freely with one another. And my hunch tells me that
Speaker 1: gnostissism is so important because historically it was that last
Speaker 1: movement that was happening, including you know, like with Jesus
Speaker 1: being a part of it, learning from these other traditions,
Speaker 1: coming and starting to give this information to the masses
Speaker 1: crowd of five thousand people. The authorities say, uh, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, something's looking not so good here. We got
Speaker 1: to put a stop to this, and the rest is history, right,
Speaker 1: So I feel like gnosticism is that piece of the
Speaker 1: puzzle that shows when the mystery traditions were suppressed underground.
Speaker 4: Oh, no doubt, no doubt, because I mean you have
Speaker 4: the myst I mean you have like two sides, right,
Speaker 4: You've got the cultural religions, the outward religions, you know,
Speaker 4: sacrifice to the gods, learn your ethics, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: Then you have the.
Speaker 4: Religions or the spirituality that satisfies those who want to
Speaker 4: go on an inner quest, those who want to understand
Speaker 4: the nature of reality, travel the different dimensions and so forth.
Speaker 4: And that's you know, answered by the mystery religions, shamanism,
Speaker 4: that group. A Gnosticism is part of that group. But unfortunately,
Speaker 4: if you want to have an organized religion, if you
Speaker 4: want to have a proper culture, you know, where the
Speaker 4: trains run on time, and you go to Mass at
Speaker 4: noon on Sundays and everybody behaves in the family, these
Speaker 4: sort of ancient anarchist chaos religions are can be very dangerous.
Speaker 3: They either need to.
Speaker 4: Be completely taken off the board or kind of put
Speaker 4: a you know, like the Greeks did with the mystery religions. Okay,
Speaker 4: but you're gonna go over here and just stay away
Speaker 4: from the city kind of thing. And that's what gnosticism
Speaker 4: is because there are two streams, right, and one is
Speaker 4: the idea of the ancient Egyptian myth of Atumb, one
Speaker 4: of the oldest myths. You have this chaos serpent that
Speaker 4: comes out of the chaos Atumb and he sort of
Speaker 4: gives birth to these gods who become order. And then
Speaker 4: the gnostic myths that you see them following this pattern.
Speaker 4: They change the names, but it's the same pattern. It's
Speaker 4: consciousness coming alive and asking questions of.
Speaker 3: What it is.
Speaker 4: An undividuated consciousness becomes fragmented in the form of God's humans.
Speaker 3: And creation and all that.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, you have these ancient myths of
Speaker 4: a shira in the Middle East, and these are the
Speaker 4: times of Solomon and so forth, when the Hebrews and
Speaker 4: other people around that area in Egypt were more shamanistic,
Speaker 4: they were more animistic and more magical, but they're dealing
Speaker 4: with these forces of chaos, a shira, not Tmat and
Speaker 4: so forth, because that's part of humanities. You know, there's
Speaker 4: law and chaos, and the chaos the lunar powers, the
Speaker 4: feminine powers, the magical powers which manifest often in serpents.
Speaker 4: The Gnostics, of course, as you've seen, were obsessed with serpent,
Speaker 4: worshiped the serpents everywhere. So you have these two forces
Speaker 4: that come in primordial you know, chaos forces. But they
Speaker 4: get suppressed because again, if you want to have a
Speaker 4: good civilization, you can't have these powers all over the place.
Speaker 4: You know, it'll be, you know, things will be chaos.
Speaker 4: So they get suppressed, they get put underground. And it's
Speaker 4: that Gnostic current that is smuggling these arcane eldridge powers
Speaker 4: of a shira and tiamat and a tool and so forth,
Speaker 4: and keeping these traditions and these spirits and these rituals alive.
Speaker 4: And of course they clothe them in you know, second
Speaker 4: third century as Sophia and the AONs and the Arkans
Speaker 4: and all that. But they keep smuggling it, and you know,
Speaker 4: the great empires are playing waka mole, you know, like, oh, gnosticks,
Speaker 4: crush them here, Oh no, no, crush him here. Throughout
Speaker 4: history with the Cabalists and the Cathars and the Sufis.
Speaker 4: But that is what's happening, and that's what I like
Speaker 4: about gnosticism because Ryan, for us to survive as a species,
Speaker 4: we've had two thousand years. Let's be realistic, we probably
Speaker 4: are at the brink of extinction as humans. I think
Speaker 4: balance needs to come back. We need to bring back
Speaker 4: these powers of chaos, the goddess, the magical, so we
Speaker 4: can balance, because we've gone too left brain as a culture,
Speaker 4: and we are unbalanced. We're disconnected from nature, We're disconnected
Speaker 4: from the denisens of the stars, from the other dimension,
Speaker 4: stuff that was natural thousands of years ago. And for me,
Speaker 4: gnosticism is one of those solutions that could bring this back,
Speaker 4: that gnosis. And I hope I'm not going on rant.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sitting here at my brain is smiling big time.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, what an honor to be able
Speaker 1: to have this conversation on my show, you know, with
Speaker 1: someone who I've been a fan of for many years.
Speaker 1: I don't know why in the world I haven't reached
Speaker 1: out sooner. I just think sometimes you think things are
Speaker 1: out of reach, you know. But and also I want
Speaker 1: to say that I completely agree with everything you said
Speaker 1: about bringing the goddess power back, and I am happy
Speaker 1: to talk about whatever you'd like to talk about, but
Speaker 1: I kind of want to focus more on you and
Speaker 1: your perspective for this part because we may or may
Speaker 1: not have talked about doing a part two on a
Speaker 1: really cool show called aon Byte Radio where I come
Speaker 1: in and you know, talk a little bit about my
Speaker 1: stories and my family's interactions with the goddess. So I
Speaker 1: think that could be a cool follow up. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna not to go too deep into my own stuff today,
Speaker 1: right but I I, okay, let me unpack this. So
Speaker 1: you just expose me to a perspective that is a
Speaker 1: little new to me, and I'm here for it. I
Speaker 1: had no clue that autum was the symbol of the serpent.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, and I think that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: And lately I've been you know, diving more into gnosticism
Speaker 1: and just really excited to pull this apart. But it's huge,
Speaker 1: it's a big body of knowledge to start. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a way of life. Honestly, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: just like oh cool and move on like no. To
Speaker 1: really understand this, it takes time. It takes uh, it
Speaker 1: takes intuition to follow these threads. But something that does
Speaker 1: speak out to me, is this idea of the serpent symbolism.
Speaker 1: So I liked what you said about how in the
Speaker 1: times of ancient Egypt they had the symbols of atumb
Speaker 1: and even in Babylon they had Tiamat. And it's pretty
Speaker 1: evident that serpent symbolism is important.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You have the story of the Garden of Eden. Of
Speaker 1: course they spend that as negative or evil, but as
Speaker 1: you and I know, that's an allegory, right. But then
Speaker 1: they also have the stories of like, for example, Moses
Speaker 1: when he has his brass staff and the serpent goes up.
Speaker 1: We have Kundalini. There's so many things that jump out
Speaker 1: with this serpent symbolism being much more than meets the eye.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious what you would say to people who
Speaker 1: maybe you know, typically Christian or otherwise, who are afraid
Speaker 1: of the symbolism. How would you dispel the fear and
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, help them understand that this is universal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, God, I wouldn't even tell him to dispel the
Speaker 4: fear because different cultures have different reactions to archetypal images.
Speaker 3: My wife is Roman Catholic.
Speaker 4: One time we did ayahuasca nice and there was a
Speaker 4: vision of a serpent. So of course, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh baby, and she's like, you know, and that's fine.
Speaker 4: We both had a lesson to learn because she thinks
Speaker 4: again the serpent of the garden is negative. Obviously, as
Speaker 4: the gnostic said, the serpent in the garden was more
Speaker 4: than likely Jesus or some benign being. And again the
Speaker 4: serpent was there. But again, I don't think it's not
Speaker 4: about good and evil.
Speaker 3: It's just about.
Speaker 4: Again left and left and right, the Taoist symbol of balance.
Speaker 4: As Jung said, we all cast a shadow, the great
Speaker 4: Gnostic Carl Jung, and until we see the dark side
Speaker 4: of our ying and yang, we can't have wholeness, completion.
Speaker 4: We have to integrate our shadow. So these powers are there,
Speaker 4: called them chaos, darkness, and the serpent is part of it.
Speaker 4: And of course, in ancient times, the serpent was considered
Speaker 4: an important part of the culture and the psyche about
Speaker 4: the gods and the human. Serpents are healing creatures, they're
Speaker 4: magical creatures, they're night time creatures, they're lunar creatures. And
Speaker 4: even in ancient Alexandria there was this called the Agatho diamond,
Speaker 4: and everybody would put this serpent, you know, at their
Speaker 4: doorway at the gates, because he was a protector of humanity,
Speaker 4: especially at the night. And the Gnosticks were just going
Speaker 4: gaga over the serpent. Again taking from these ancient shamanistic traditions,
Speaker 4: they had sex like the ophits which is Greek for serpent,
Speaker 4: where the serpent would come out from a basket and
Speaker 4: the priest or priestess would kiss it in the mouth
Speaker 4: and they would do these rituals travel the heavens and
Speaker 4: sometimes their negative serpents, remember apophice An Egyptian lore, is
Speaker 4: a chaos serpent, but he's the part. He's not the
Speaker 4: nurture like a tomb. He's like the I'm going to
Speaker 4: destroy you. I am I'm khali, i am wotan, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm the part of the serpent that really enjoys destruction.
Speaker 4: And these o fights had to travel the astral planes
Speaker 4: and others like the nestines were also talked about a serpent.
Speaker 4: Again that's also Greek or Hebrew for serpents. So you
Speaker 4: see this, you see this imagery and this vibe all
Speaker 4: through many of the Gnostic texts and again talking about completion,
Speaker 4: the oroboris that's very much a hermetic Gnostic text, the
Speaker 4: idea of the serpent going around, which represents the wheel
Speaker 4: of karma of rebirth. And the thing about Gnostics is
Speaker 4: there's the old saying if you get two people in
Speaker 4: the room and they both both, you get two Gnostics
Speaker 4: in a room and they both agree, then one of
Speaker 4: them is in a Gnostic because speculation and disagreeing was
Speaker 4: always part of it, because the Gnostics were never a
Speaker 4: part of one group. It was little sex that would
Speaker 4: attach themselves to different religions and cultures and have their
Speaker 4: own ideas. Some Gnostics thought, oh, the Oroboris is evil
Speaker 4: because like the Buddhas or cousins of the Gnostics, incarnation
Speaker 4: is like eternal damnation. Who wants to go through creation
Speaker 4: having your memory white every lifetime and having to start
Speaker 4: over and until you remember it. So it depended, but
Speaker 4: it's all there.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what your take on this is. But I
Speaker 1: had an interesting sort of meditative experience one time, and
Speaker 1: it may mean nothing. I think sometimes when we get
Speaker 1: into expanded states of consciousness, the information can present itself
Speaker 1: as feelings, images, you know, archetypes, and then we try
Speaker 1: to put it into words and sometimes we fail, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I had this sort of vision flash
Speaker 1: in my mind of the word Osiris, and I'm a
Speaker 1: big I love symbolism of Osiris. I've had multiple dreams
Speaker 1: that he came in and it totally changed my life.
Speaker 1: So when you know, Osiris is a Greek word, but
Speaker 1: it's an Egyptian deity, right, So the Egyptian word is
Speaker 1: oose us. Okay, So I kind of saw this presentation
Speaker 1: of like, there's this, Oh, there's the squiggly s's if
Speaker 1: you look at the word osiris, it looks like just
Speaker 1: a bunch of little squiggly lines, and in some weird
Speaker 1: way beyond our modern understanding, it was like, this is
Speaker 1: like serpentine symbolism from the Greek language. And then the
Speaker 1: words just kept coming through to me, serpent of the sun.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I have no idea what that means,
Speaker 1: but curious what your take is on that.
Speaker 3: Well, I would say, yeah, words will fail us. We
Speaker 3: got to go.
Speaker 4: Even the Gospel of Phillips says you must go through
Speaker 4: the image to enter into the divine realm. That's the
Speaker 4: only way. Words were limited by language were limited by time.
Speaker 4: William Burrows, who himself called himself a gnostick, hugely influenced
Speaker 4: by gnostasis, and he used to say that time and
Speaker 4: language are actually two arcons that were created by the
Speaker 4: powers that be to keep us trapped. They're not good language.
Speaker 4: That's why he used to mess with language so much,
Speaker 4: because that's what's keeping us in these sort of meatsack
Speaker 4: self destructive way. So but yeah, Cyrus obviously represents the
Speaker 4: gra i seem as a great shaman because in shamanistic traditions,
Speaker 4: when you are initiated, you go into the spirit world
Speaker 4: and one of the things that happens is that the
Speaker 4: spirits will tear you apart, they will chop you up
Speaker 4: and then put you back together in a new form,
Speaker 4: and you come back as the shaman of the tribe.
Speaker 4: So Cyrus is this great lesson of the shamanistic way,
Speaker 4: the one who stands in life and death, sun and
Speaker 4: moon and again. I still stress that gnosticism is at
Speaker 4: its core shamanistic. It's easy to understand, but most people
Speaker 4: don't get it because, okay, let me explain. Have you
Speaker 4: ever wondered why gnosticism is called a parasitic religion? It
Speaker 4: appears as Christian gnosticism, pagan Sufism, Kabbalah, cathary it just
Speaker 4: seems to come up right and fundamentalist preachers and you know,
Speaker 4: right wing ideologues like James lindsay, is it's a parasitic
Speaker 4: it's there to corrupt, And I go no, because it's
Speaker 4: what you call a spiritual modality or a metaphysical orientation,
Speaker 4: like shamanism or exorcism. Right, there is no church of
Speaker 4: the shaman, right, it can't exist. There is no Church
Speaker 4: of the exorcism. These spiritual modalities have to exist within
Speaker 4: a culture by definition. That's why you have Siberian shamanism,
Speaker 4: Peruvian Taoish schemen.
Speaker 3: Same with exorcism.
Speaker 4: It has to appear in Catholicism or Japanese or Jewish exorcism. Yes,
Speaker 4: these modalities will have their own mythology, ideals, all that,
Speaker 4: but they have to exist within a culture by definition.
Speaker 4: So when people say it's a false religion, a gnosticism
Speaker 4: or no, because it's not a religion. It's a way
Speaker 4: of thinking of seeing the world and it needs a
Speaker 4: culture around.
Speaker 3: It to make sense. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you would say Sirius is are or Hermes
Speaker 4: as our leader, the Christians would say, well, Jesus is
Speaker 4: and so forth so, and I always say yeah. Gnostisism
Speaker 4: is actually sort of a fusion of exorcism and shamanism
Speaker 4: because it believes in altered states of mind traveling the world.
Speaker 4: It believes that we all have some mind parasite and
Speaker 4: that we're ruled by these evil beings that control the
Speaker 4: universe called the Arkans. We have to exercise them from
Speaker 4: both our body and space. So because we're trapped in fate,
Speaker 4: gnosticism is I call it also shamanism for the individual,
Speaker 4: because it just posits that there's not one shaman for
Speaker 4: the tribe. There can be as many as you want.
Speaker 4: We have power over these spirits and the illusion that
Speaker 4: they've cast within us, and within us we share the
Speaker 4: essence of a tomb or the God above God or
Speaker 4: the One, and our mission is to wake up to
Speaker 4: our reality, to our potential, and to be able to
Speaker 4: travel the Union Verse, end the world and heal everybody
Speaker 4: around us and help them wake up.
Speaker 3: So again, I hope I didn't go too much in
Speaker 3: the tangent.
Speaker 4: But it's always hard people to understand the idea that
Speaker 4: nascism is not a philosophy. It's not a religion. It's again,
Speaker 4: it's a spiritual modality.
Speaker 1: I I I like to think about it, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a religion obviously, but also it keeps popping
Speaker 1: up in the way that it does throughout history because
Speaker 1: it's universal and universal wisdom and truth resonates and it
Speaker 1: it doesn't need a vehicle other than expression, right, like
Speaker 1: it just just to be used. It does. Or let
Speaker 1: me let me rephrase that. It doesn't require belief, it
Speaker 1: doesn't require worship, it doesn't require commitment or oblation like
Speaker 1: you know some of loyalty and things like that, because
Speaker 1: it's just universal truth and it is the human condition
Speaker 1: right that we are born here. We are multidimensional beings.
Speaker 1: There are aspects of ourself that exists in many different dimensions,
Speaker 1: like the molecular dimension, the mental and spiritual dimensions, the physical,
Speaker 1: the chemical We have cells and little bloods and molecules,
Speaker 1: and you know, we exist in so many different dimensions
Speaker 1: at once. And I think that like in the modern
Speaker 1: Christian paradigm, people don't think about the multidimensional nature. They're
Speaker 1: either like you know, alive or dead, heaven or hell.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's more complicated, you know, maybe it
Speaker 1: is like we are these eternal beings coming here over
Speaker 1: and over again in this little trap until we wake
Speaker 1: up to our true multidimensional nature and reclaim that power
Speaker 1: to go where we want to go.
Speaker 4: So it's it, that's it, and it starts. The Gnostics
Speaker 4: would say, it starts with the dictum at the Temple
Speaker 4: of Adelphi. Know thyself thyself. That's what we're here for,
Speaker 4: is to understand who we are, beyond the programming the delusions,
Speaker 4: whether it's archons or society or our own egos. And
Speaker 4: once we know ourselves, we know that we are as
Speaker 4: an A six would say, we're higher than the gods,
Speaker 4: We're higher than the institutions of this world, and we
Speaker 4: are you know, astral beings without who are limitless and potential.
Speaker 4: But it all starts with knowing thyself and that shared
Speaker 4: through it. You have that quote in Buddhism and other religions,
Speaker 4: knowing thyself. And it's not you know, well, I'm a
Speaker 4: Taurus and I like pina coladas and getting caught in
Speaker 4: the rain. No, it's who you are, at your depth,
Speaker 4: at your most essential core, and what your mission is.
Speaker 4: Once you know yourself, Once you know yourself, then you
Speaker 4: will know God, as eling Pagel said, and you will
Speaker 4: know what your destiny is in this world. I always
Speaker 4: like this quote by William T. Vohman in The New
Speaker 4: York Times. He wrote, as a corpus, the Gnostic scriptures
Speaker 4: are nearly incoherent. He's right, like a crowd of SAgs,
Speaker 4: mystics and madmen, all speaking at once, but always they
Speaker 4: call upon us to know ourselves.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: Who we are is the most important question, and that's
Speaker 4: again very shamanistic.
Speaker 1: Interesting, let's talk about that goddess power, right because from
Speaker 1: the where like the position that I'm sitting, it also
Speaker 1: looks like gnosticism. Just give me my take. Here was
Speaker 1: probably the correct version of the history of Jesus. So
Speaker 1: if you have a beating heart and a brain, and
Speaker 1: you have two neurons firing to you know, create thoughts
Speaker 1: in your head, you probably can look at this data
Speaker 1: and realize why the church or the authorities, because at
Speaker 1: the time there was no church, right, why they would
Speaker 1: suppress this movement and wipe it out from history because
Speaker 1: it's too empowering. No, we need you to be victims
Speaker 1: to our structure and pay us, and you're going to
Speaker 1: go to hell unless you you know, say x y
Speaker 1: and z and do x y and z. And also
Speaker 1: if you pay an extra premium this month, we'll start
Speaker 1: taking a little bit off of the time impurgatory for
Speaker 1: your old uncle Morris or whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty obvious why they would suppress this movement.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that goes yeah, or the Church. I mean again,
Speaker 4: look at the Samarian myth. You got Marduk defeating Tiamat
Speaker 4: and Mardick is a lord of civilization. And again for
Speaker 4: civilization to exist, and that's a rule you you have
Speaker 4: to suppress the lunar, the chaos, the magical, the feminine,
Speaker 4: because if you want trains to run on time and
Speaker 4: the crops to grow and all that, it has to
Speaker 4: be solar. Unfortunately, all civilizations depend on slavery and other
Speaker 4: injustice'es warfare, you know, see the imbalance there. And Marduk
Speaker 4: became the symbol the solar power even before Christianity. And
Speaker 4: some have said very well that who the god of
Speaker 4: the Old Testament is is not really Yah, it's Marduk.
Speaker 4: He got exported out of Babylon when the Jews went
Speaker 4: back to Jerusalem and they discovered this sort of solar
Speaker 4: power for their own civilization. So the suppression, as you say,
Speaker 4: that's way before the Catholic Church came around. I mean,
Speaker 4: you see it, just the God is being suppressed, the
Speaker 4: serpents are being suppressed, the magic is being suppressed. I mean,
Speaker 4: the Roman Empire was one of the worst empires when
Speaker 4: it came to magic. They made it illegal or you
Speaker 4: just had to pay a lot of money. They do
Speaker 4: a lot of taxes to do magic. So you see this,
Speaker 4: So that's a question, do you want civilization or do
Speaker 4: you want how it was before, this more holistic, maybe free,
Speaker 4: but sort of dangerous way of life. I'm sure there's
Speaker 4: a solution way through where we can have balance without
Speaker 4: one getting two.
Speaker 3: Out of hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I really do believe that this
Speaker 1: whole movement into the Age of Aquarius that we are
Speaker 1: living to witness firsthand is kind of like a re
Speaker 1: emergence of that Atlantean way that there's going to be.
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe that in this new age that we
Speaker 1: are on the cusp of entering, that there will be
Speaker 1: a movement towards utopian civilization. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: get upset about this. They get twisted up in knots
Speaker 1: because Hollywood movies are so frightening. I really do think technology, AI, robotics,
Speaker 1: things like this have a part to play with this,
Speaker 1: because our technology will get to a level to where
Speaker 1: it can handle a lot of things that we really
Speaker 1: don't need to be wasting our time doing, and we
Speaker 1: can focus on spiritual things, and there's going to be
Speaker 1: this equidistant increase of like technology and esp and spiritual
Speaker 1: heights reached. That's just my belief right when I picture Atlantis,
Speaker 1: that's what I think. Psychic ability is unfolding technology being
Speaker 1: able to do a lot of stuff for us. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so from where I'm sitting, it looks like gnosticism is
Speaker 1: also the through line that connects the goddess to Jesus,
Speaker 1: because if you think about every tradition from the ancient past,
Speaker 1: there's a goddess in some form, whether it's Buddhism or
Speaker 1: not Buddhism, but you know, esoteric Buddhism or Hinduism or
Speaker 1: even Judaism. All these traditions have goddess is like pretty
Speaker 1: much any except for Christianity. So let's talk about goddess power.
Speaker 3: God is power. No, that's for sure. I mean.
Speaker 4: The Gnostics again were smuggling these ancient traditions a shira
Speaker 4: are not. The goddess is from Egypt. Again, this feminine power,
Speaker 4: as you would call it, the anima, the magical, the lunar,
Speaker 4: and they thought it was essential for the survival of
Speaker 4: humanity at least or at least as a vehicle to
Speaker 4: understand the higher worlds, the other dimensions, if you would.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: They were very goddess centric. I mean they of course
Speaker 4: the main one would be Sophia, the fallen goddess or
Speaker 4: mercurial goddess in many of their myths, but they had
Speaker 4: many more. They had barbelow pernicos, and in fact, I
Speaker 4: even go on my show, I think I can name
Speaker 4: you like ten Gnostic sects, including the Mendeeans who are today,
Speaker 4: and they're all founded by women. They all had women
Speaker 4: leaders because the Gnostics felt, in our little groups, it
Speaker 4: really doesn't matter what your gender was, it's were you
Speaker 4: capable of doing the job where you spiritually awake. To
Speaker 4: the Gnostics. Of all these women that were lead and
Speaker 4: community leaders and religious leaders, the main one would be
Speaker 4: Mary Magdalen. They saw her as what does one Jesus
Speaker 4: caller in this Nakamadi Library dialogue of the Savior, the
Speaker 4: woman who knew the all, the woman who understood completely.
Speaker 4: She was the main disciple of Jesus because she knew
Speaker 4: what he was trying to teach, and she saw it.
Speaker 4: She saw the universe, she saw the veil open, and
Speaker 4: she became in the Gnostic sex one of the biggest
Speaker 4: teachers and mystics. She has her own gospel, the Gospel
Speaker 4: of Mary. She appears in many of the Gnostic texts
Speaker 4: as again, what you know, Jesus's right hand woman or
Speaker 4: person who want to call it, and she herself is
Speaker 4: teaching these mysteries, these ancient mysteries to all. In some
Speaker 4: Gnostics texts say, in the myths, you have the higher world,
Speaker 4: you've got Sophia and Logos. You know, Jesus and Logos.
Speaker 4: You've got wisdom and divine reason. That's the balance, that's
Speaker 4: part of the true God's mind, and it emanates and
Speaker 4: materializes down here on earth as Jesus and Mary Magdalene,
Speaker 4: or Osiris and Isis or Simon Magus and Ellen, and
Speaker 4: they're the manifestation of wisdom and divine reason here in
Speaker 4: this world. And that's what they're trying to teach us.
Speaker 4: Because these forces exist within us. We both have divine
Speaker 4: reason and wisdom within us, So the divine feminine is
Speaker 4: extremely important in Gnostic texts throughout history.
Speaker 3: You would say, do.
Speaker 1: You get the sense that this whole goddess like manifestation
Speaker 1: is just one universal thing, and it's all of these
Speaker 1: different people just with their different language and understanding sort
Speaker 1: of ascribing definition to this universal thing.
Speaker 3: That's a good question.
Speaker 4: I always try to say, I don't know if I
Speaker 4: don't want to put gnosticism into perennialism, because I think
Speaker 4: it's a lot more dangerous. I think we are talking
Speaker 4: really primordial ego destruction, self destruction, society destruction forces. Again,
Speaker 4: this is a That's why they keep the shamans on
Speaker 4: the side of the village and the witch because they
Speaker 4: are integral part of a society, because you want those
Speaker 4: lunar powers. But they are very dangerous. They're not to
Speaker 4: keep us civilized, They're not to keep us, They're kind
Speaker 4: of to send us into the edge, you know, the
Speaker 4: edge of chaos, the heads of madness. So I try
Speaker 4: not to put gnosticism there because it has its role.
Speaker 4: But if we're going to be honest, it is very dangerous.
Speaker 1: What specifically, well, I mean.
Speaker 4: You know, all of us in our life, our ego.
Speaker 4: Death is a very painful realization, right. You realize that
Speaker 4: you're a phony, the society is a phony, and go
Speaker 4: deep down and you wonder, well, what's my role? Should
Speaker 4: I even come back? I mean, that's what the mystery
Speaker 4: religions and even the gnostic rituals do and shamanic rituals do.
Speaker 4: You go down into the underworld and you have to
Speaker 4: face these demons or these arkons, or these monsters or
Speaker 4: the dragon in fairy tales, right, and these things will
Speaker 4: like a cyrus. They will tear you apart. They will
Speaker 4: show you your worst fears. They will deconstruct your psyche.
Speaker 4: And it's up to you if you can survive and
Speaker 4: put yourself together as a new being and come out
Speaker 4: and then you get to go out into the heavenry
Speaker 4: realms and then you get to come back to Earth
Speaker 4: as a new being. It's alchemy. You have a new
Speaker 4: substance from all this destruction, the Gretto rubreto, And that
Speaker 4: is dangerous. Some people don't come back, and if you
Speaker 4: come back, you're going to be very different to who
Speaker 4: people thought you were and your society and everything else,
Speaker 4: and you will probably be called a rebel, and guess what,
Speaker 4: You're going to have.
Speaker 3: The same fate as Jesus.
Speaker 4: So it is dangerous, but that's the hero's journey, right,
Speaker 4: You leave, you come back, and you come back with
Speaker 4: useful information for your tribe. But sometimes the tribe just
Speaker 4: wants the status quo, right, they don't want change, and
Speaker 4: you're going to be on a cross or somewhere else.
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying. I mean, these lunar powers
Speaker 4: are dangerous. TMT is dangerous, but it's important for balance,
Speaker 4: that's the key.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think of it like a fire, right, So
Speaker 1: a fire can peel your flesh off and destroy you
Speaker 1: and burn your house down, but it can also do
Speaker 1: so many other amazing things, like you know, energy and
Speaker 1: create you know, warmth and safety and comfort and cook food.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like it's a balance, right, Like
Speaker 1: these forces are universal and they can be used for
Speaker 1: good and they can be used for bad. And I
Speaker 1: think you're right that for the so to speak, uninitiated,
Speaker 1: it is very dangerous to encroach these territories. And I
Speaker 1: think of the symbolism of like you know, the sort
Speaker 1: of excalibur or the hammer of thor like whoever shall
Speaker 1: be worthy may wield this hammer, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of saying what you're saying that, like you you
Speaker 1: got a narrow road to walk, right, Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: The technology part is yeah, brilliantly said, because that was
Speaker 4: one of the obsessions. I mean to me, gnosticism works
Speaker 4: because it just fits this culmination of humanity that we're
Speaker 4: going through, simulation, arcons and extra terrestrials, the quest for
Speaker 4: you know, who am I in my shadow which is
Speaker 4: so popular today, and technology that was something the Gnostics
Speaker 4: were warning about or describing because they certainly quoted the
Speaker 4: Book of Enoch and they talked about the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 4: you know, the story the Watchers come and they provide
Speaker 4: technology to humanity. And this technology is it can make
Speaker 4: us go beyond being humans, but it can also enslave us.
Speaker 4: And of course you've got the great myth of Prometheus,
Speaker 4: another very Nostic tale where just like the Argons, Zeus
Speaker 4: tells Prometheus, I need some slaves, So Zeus Chris, so
Speaker 4: he creates humanity. But then Prometheus feels bad for humanity,
Speaker 4: so he goes and with Athena. That's what people forget.
Speaker 4: You got Prometheus, divine reason, Athena wisdom. They both go
Speaker 4: together to get the fire, they bring it to humans.
Speaker 4: Will humans be burned or use this fire for good reason?
Speaker 4: So you see that in the book of Enoch, you
Speaker 4: see that in the myth of Prometheus. Obviously, what's the Onunaki?
Speaker 4: You have the same story humans created as slaves, but
Speaker 4: it's a is it Ankia I believe, who feel sorry
Speaker 4: and wants to help them out. So this story is
Speaker 4: they're over higher beings giving us this technology and us
Speaker 4: whether we're going to use it right or is it
Speaker 4: going to take us into extinction at the very end.
Speaker 4: And in fact, there was the famous alchemists, those Emos
Speaker 4: of Panopolis, and he was an Austic, one of the
Speaker 4: fathers of alchemy, and he used to say, yeah, these arcons,
Speaker 4: he called them arkons, call them nephelin, whatever you're on.
Speaker 4: Whatever they gave it. They stole the technology from God
Speaker 4: and they brought it down to Earth and they're using
Speaker 4: it to enslave humanity. But he always said, you know,
Speaker 4: they stole it from God. So therefore all technology originally
Speaker 4: went from God. So therefore, if we humans can become
Speaker 4: holy and enlightened and you know, awaken, we can use
Speaker 4: that technology for our own benefit and use it to
Speaker 4: overthrow the arkons.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's what I believe. I do believe that
Speaker 1: because a part of the you know, arkon so to speak.
Speaker 1: And I know that's just a word that was established
Speaker 1: in I guess, you know, the first century or whenever
Speaker 1: narcissism was popping up in a Christian context. I like
Speaker 1: to think of it as just like the matrix. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like this evil control system here, and it says
Speaker 1: every year, it holds its hand out and it says,
Speaker 1: this is what you owe in taxes, you know, and
Speaker 1: you got to pay your mortgage for thirty years. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just goes on and on and on, and I
Speaker 1: don't I spend an hour talking about the poison in
Speaker 1: our foods and in our pesticides, and you know, oh
Speaker 1: you feel a little anxious. Here, take these medications.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just an evil system. This world really is corrupt,
Speaker 1: and I believe that technology, especially in the like the
Speaker 1: AI robotic sense, could eventually This is just me trying
Speaker 1: to imagine a better future because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it is here and it's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: So I'd rather be positive about it than live in
Speaker 1: fear for you know, really no reason. So I just
Speaker 1: am envisioning a future where it's like the Jetson's right.
Speaker 1: You know, what would you like for breakfast this morning,
Speaker 1: mister Miguel? Oh how about you know toasa butter on it?
Speaker 1: Thank you, robot Martha, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: you're out the door. You're gonna go do a podcast
Speaker 1: or whatever, and like these mundane things, eventually we hopefully
Speaker 1: won't have to think about, or worry about, or do anymore.
Speaker 1: That's just my belief that, you know, it can be
Speaker 1: used for good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in the Gnostics would say, don't try
Speaker 4: to criticize the technology. Wake up first. Have you reached
Speaker 4: your potential? Have you reached have you cleaned the technology
Speaker 4: that is your body and your psyche. That's how that's
Speaker 4: the way you win. You go inward and you wake up.
Speaker 4: Everything makes sense when in the Nagamadi Library, the Gnostic
Speaker 4: treasure trove that was discovered in nineteen forty five, Ryan,
Speaker 4: they have a piece of Plato's Republic. What's in Plato's Republic,
Speaker 4: the famous Allegory of the Cave, the first Gnostic story
Speaker 4: in history, know, hundreds of years. And that's why I
Speaker 4: keep saying the Gnostics weren't inventing stuff. They weren't like
Speaker 4: writing fan fiction or anything. They were like, hmm, let's
Speaker 4: look at Plato's Cave. Oh, we are trapped in illusion.
Speaker 4: Oh the Aunaki. We are trapped by the Aunaki. You know,
Speaker 4: Zeus and the Olympians, the Nephelin, all these myths around
Speaker 4: the Middle East and Europe, even in South America and
Speaker 4: North they have these myths of these controlling gods from
Speaker 4: the stars and how we must escape them or at
Speaker 4: least become superior to them. So they were looking at
Speaker 4: all these myths and simply, you know, maybe dialing them
Speaker 4: up to eleven. And that's what they were expressing to
Speaker 4: the world. And I think they're right. I mean, even
Speaker 4: Paul in the New Testament, if you take off your
Speaker 4: Sunday school glasses, you realize Paul is talking gnosticism. That's
Speaker 4: what David Bentley Hart, the great Greek Orthodox theologian, has
Speaker 4: found out because in Paul is talking about what the
Speaker 4: rulers argons in Greek powers and principalities, the god of
Speaker 4: this world, how this is a fallen world, and he
Speaker 4: says the only thing that can help us from the
Speaker 4: yolk of this demiurge is Jesus coming and sort of
Speaker 4: awakening us. So it's all in the stories, these ancient stories,
Speaker 4: and I think it's all part.
Speaker 3: It is true.
Speaker 4: And like you said it, God's suppressed because you don't
Speaker 4: want a religion when you realize that your gods are
Speaker 4: the bad guys and that the universe we have a
Speaker 4: lot of work to do. It's easier to tell your
Speaker 4: flock ah, have faith, everything's gonna be okay. It's not
Speaker 4: so bad. This universe is just wonderful and all that.
Speaker 4: And I think the Gnostics bring a little balance because
Speaker 4: they show, well, yes, there is holiness in this universe,
Speaker 4: but there's also darkness, and most religions don't spend enough
Speaker 4: time with their own darkness or the darkness out there.
Speaker 4: Instead they blame their congregants or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's so. It's so true. Like I remember
Speaker 1: growing up a Pentecostal Holiness Christian and just like every
Speaker 1: night when I would go to sleep, you know, in
Speaker 1: my teenage years, I'd be praying please if I die
Speaker 1: in my sleep tonight, I don't want to go to
Speaker 1: hell tomorrow. Or you know, if anything happens, or riding
Speaker 1: in a car, what if I drive off a cliff,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to hell, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: So you.
Speaker 1: Just just these thoughts, right, like what if I die
Speaker 1: and I'm not prayed up and all that. So I
Speaker 1: think that it's it's a little bit of an existential
Speaker 1: shock for people to find out that it's not that simple,
Speaker 1: but that Heaven and Hell are constant states of being
Speaker 1: eternally and it's right now, and you have to choose
Speaker 1: which one of these frequencies you align to by your choices,
Speaker 1: your good thoughts, your good words, your good deeds, or
Speaker 1: bad thoughts, bad words, bad deeds. And I think like
Speaker 1: every second your your being is constantly being rendered. I mean,
Speaker 1: even cells die, they have mitosis, they split, you know, apoptosis,
Speaker 1: cells die, they eat themselves, they're reborn, they multiply, So
Speaker 1: like at every single present moment, your being is transforming.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of like in the matrix when he
Speaker 1: has the red pill and the blue pill. You know,
Speaker 1: you take the red pill, you wake up, you take
Speaker 1: the blue pill, you go back to sleep. And I
Speaker 1: kind of think that's a deeper metaphor of constantly making
Speaker 1: choices at these karmic pathways of destiny for your being
Speaker 1: to awaken and to unfold, you know, to higher and
Speaker 1: higher levels. So I think that's a bit of a
Speaker 1: shock when people find out, Oh, I'm probably kind of
Speaker 1: in hell now metaphorically speaking, right, So I have to
Speaker 1: kind of like do something about it to wake up.
Speaker 1: I have to like, oh, not just like sniff cocaine
Speaker 1: on a Saturday night and you know, hang out with
Speaker 1: hookers and do all this stuff and then go to
Speaker 1: church Sunday morning, and I'm good for the week because
Speaker 1: I said, you know, praise Jesus. But I have to
Speaker 1: actually be like Christ.
Speaker 4: That's a little hard, yeah, And that's what the Gnostic
Speaker 4: texts say, is that you don't wait for the resurrection
Speaker 4: to be like Jesus. You have to be resurrected when
Speaker 4: you're alive, and you have to become Christ, that light,
Speaker 4: that logos, I mean very specific. It's here and it's now.
Speaker 4: And of course every time that you are reborn or
Speaker 4: you become something new, something has to die. I think
Speaker 4: that's what I was saying. It's dangerous because we don't
Speaker 4: want to let go of our whole selves. We don't
Speaker 4: want to let go of our childhood or childish things.
Speaker 4: We want to hold onto them. But they have to
Speaker 4: die for something new to be reborn. So it's a yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a very hard challenge. It's not easy,
Speaker 4: but it is the way out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh I I wanted to say. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Elvis was also raised as a Pentecostal, and same reasons
Speaker 4: he got into alternative spirituality, occultism, whatever you call because
Speaker 4: he got tired a he was denounced by other Christian
Speaker 4: like you know, Billy Graham and his own pastor when
Speaker 4: he got famous as being in league with Satan. But
Speaker 4: he also already already he was already convinced as a
Speaker 4: teenager that there was incarnation logical. He was obviously had
Speaker 4: his own mystic powers, and he got tired of the
Speaker 4: whole hell fire story. He did not like the way,
Speaker 4: he didn't like the God of fear of the Old Testament,
Speaker 4: so he just said, I'm going to delve into my
Speaker 4: own sort of Christianity, and that's when he started, you know,
Speaker 4: reading Gnostic texts and you know going into theosophy and
Speaker 4: Manly p Hall, you know the mystic Christ literature that
Speaker 4: you find there. So yeah, he had a similar similar
Speaker 4: journey as you did.
Speaker 1: He Yeah, I love Elvis man. My wife was actually
Speaker 1: born in bad Nauheim, Germany, which is where Elvis was
Speaker 1: stationed when he was in the army.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Every year, I think it's like the week after my birthday,
Speaker 1: they have a festival there. So I haven't been to it.
Speaker 1: We never go at that specific time, but there's like
Speaker 1: statues of Elvis all over the town. So he's like
Speaker 1: a superstar in Germany because he lived there for years
Speaker 1: and he met Forrescilla there. So all my German in laws,
Speaker 1: they're just obsessed with Elvis. So I feel a strong
Speaker 1: connection to Elvis because of that. It was really cool
Speaker 1: to see his journey right now. He's into all this
Speaker 1: you know, gnostic and esoteric stuff and Eastern mysticism and
Speaker 1: things like that. But something I'm really fascinated about and
Speaker 1: I and I kind of know very little is a Braxis.
Speaker 4: Mmmm. Yes, and now we're we're still on dangerous ground.
Speaker 4: Well that's the mystery. A Braxis is a very mysterious,
Speaker 4: ancient and very powerful deity entity. And it's there's different
Speaker 4: versions of him. It's hard to put your finger on
Speaker 4: him obviously, for if people are watching it, pull him up.
Speaker 4: You know, he's just this depiction of this humanoid creature
Speaker 4: head of a rooster or a falcon and snake legs
Speaker 4: and holding a shield, and he's usually a whip on
Speaker 4: a chariot. And a Braxis probably again has Egyptian roots,
Speaker 4: because one thing when you see beings with animal heads
Speaker 4: or anything like that, that is one hundred Egyptian characteristic.
Speaker 4: It's what the Egyptians did. We're going to give him
Speaker 4: the head of an animal. And he might be based
Speaker 4: on Typhon, which is based on Set, because Typhon is
Speaker 4: the Greek version of Set, you know, again a god
Speaker 4: of chaos the desert, but also the god of the
Speaker 4: outcast and the immigrant, you know, kind of this, you know,
Speaker 4: James dean god out there in the edges of town.
Speaker 4: And Typhon was also depicted as having snake legs. So
Speaker 4: a Braxis appears mainly in Gnostic gems with again markings and.
Speaker 1: Depictions and coins.
Speaker 4: They had coins, yes, and these are they're very rare,
Speaker 4: very expensive. You can get fake ones on the internet,
Speaker 4: but they either use them to keep them away because
Speaker 4: often the power of the gods is too much and
Speaker 4: you want the gods to just leave you alone, so
Speaker 4: breathing room or there are invocations of a Braxis like
Speaker 4: stopping a pandemic, and you know in Roman times, London
Speaker 4: and so forth, so they use them for magical things.
Speaker 4: As far as depictions, there is a gnostic called Facilities
Speaker 4: in the second century, and he had a system where
Speaker 4: and I'll get this, there weren't like seven dimensions, right,
Speaker 4: there was three hundred and sixty five dimensions that you
Speaker 4: could go up to get to the true God, the
Speaker 4: you know, the one, the undivided consciousness, and at the
Speaker 4: bottom the Yahweh, the Hebrew god ruled this planet. So
Speaker 4: you go think about you know, like a video game.
Speaker 3: You got one.
Speaker 4: Now you got three hundred and sixty bosses, and at
Speaker 4: the top of all the dimensions was a Braxis.
Speaker 3: And he still.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's it's not was he the god
Speaker 4: or was he actually the final boss before you got
Speaker 4: to nothing, to nirvana whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4: So that's one place where you see Abraxas, and then
Speaker 4: some of the Gnostic writing writings depict him as either
Speaker 4: a sort of an arc on part of the cosmic lore.
Speaker 4: They don't agree, but all of that is, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: still pretty mysterious.
Speaker 3: And then of course he appears throughout history.
Speaker 4: In wizard books and grimoires, and probably the most interesting
Speaker 4: one is the knights Templar when the guess who guarded
Speaker 4: their treasure an Abraxis medallion, they would put in a Braxis.
Speaker 4: That it's sort of a giveaway what they were into.
Speaker 4: But we know that one. Historically, all scholars agree the
Speaker 4: Knight's Templar use a Braxis to guard their treasure. And
Speaker 4: he appears again throughout history and different, but he's very mysterious.
Speaker 3: I know Pete.
Speaker 4: I think Pete Carroll always said that for chaos magic
Speaker 4: they chose Baffomet, but they eventually a Braxis was in
Speaker 4: the running to be their god, this sort of mysterious,
Speaker 4: multi dimensional, chaotic sort of being, but they went with Bafomet. So,
Speaker 4: in a nutshell, that's what Abraxas is to Yung Jung. Also,
Speaker 4: Carl Jung wrote a lot about Abraxis in his Black Books,
Speaker 4: and to him he's a negative figure. He was karma,
Speaker 4: he was forced, he's what kept the universe running and together.
Speaker 4: But Jung ultimately saw him as a negative being you
Speaker 4: needed to avoid because he was looking for transcendence. And
Speaker 4: a Braxis stops everything because he runs the entire universe.
Speaker 4: He runs God, he runs Satan, he runs everything, and
Speaker 4: he keeps everything in order, and he is everything at
Speaker 4: the time same time.
Speaker 1: So I'm a little confused. So, and i know you've
Speaker 1: covered all this, but I'm summarizing to understand, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to peel it back a little more clearly. So
Speaker 1: a Braxis was not necessarily believed by the Gnostics to
Speaker 1: be the true God above God, but rather.
Speaker 4: It's Again there's contradictions because remember ran a lot of
Speaker 4: what I'm telling you is what church fathers were writing about.
Speaker 4: We don't have got so wiped out. The church father's
Speaker 4: got to dictate history. So you have one church father saying, well,
Speaker 4: to Bacilities in the Gnostics, he's the God or the
Speaker 4: ultimate God. But then you have another church father saying, no,
Speaker 4: he's the head of the ark On. So he's So
Speaker 4: that's the problem is we don't have the just like
Speaker 4: we don't have the writings of Jesus. We don't have
Speaker 4: a lot of writings of these gnostics or even their texts,
Speaker 4: so and when he appears in the text, it's also
Speaker 4: kind of muddy. And sometimes I wonder it's it's on purpose.
Speaker 4: You don't want writing the name of Raxas is you know,
Speaker 4: you're already asking for these powers to come down, so
Speaker 4: they kind of keep it murky, if you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, kind of like how the
Speaker 1: Hebrews would put GD and they would leave out the vowels.
Speaker 1: They don't They don't want to bind it necessarily to
Speaker 1: paper and write too much about it and transmit too
Speaker 1: much about it. I understand.
Speaker 4: So Raxas was certainly very very powerful, but also somebody
Speaker 4: don't mess with.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, no, I that's that's perfect my understanding of God.
Speaker 1: And I want to get into your understanding too. But
Speaker 1: my understanding of God is like Amunrah, like it is
Speaker 1: everything that is visible and invisible, that we exist within
Speaker 1: the body of God metaphorically speaking, but also that we
Speaker 1: that body even manifests from God in a higher place.
Speaker 1: Like it's just many different layers and dimensions of emanation
Speaker 1: or you know, I like to think about it like
Speaker 1: we exist in the mind of God and we're all
Speaker 1: just little thoughts and we're little fractal representations of the
Speaker 1: It's like one mind, and then that from from that
Speaker 1: one mind, everything else spirals from, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: like there is truly one thing, there is one God.
Speaker 1: But then my understanding is that when God expresses itself
Speaker 1: as a manifest being, it is the Lady, it is
Speaker 1: the Sophia, it is hathor it's the Goddess, and that
Speaker 1: when mortals in this material world need comfort or love
Speaker 1: or reassurance from a higher power, that it appears as
Speaker 1: this loving, nurturing, beautiful woman. You know. It's as Jesus said,
Speaker 1: the I send a comforter after me. Well, I know,
Speaker 1: I said I wouldn't talk too much about the Lady
Speaker 1: in this episode, We're going to save it for a
Speaker 1: on bite. But something she told my father was that
Speaker 1: she was the comforter. She was the Holy Spirit and
Speaker 1: the missing secret part of the Holy Trinity. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of my belief is like you have the Father
Speaker 1: and the Mother, but the Father is invisible and is
Speaker 1: hidden and is not like a personified being, but it
Speaker 1: is the intelligence of everything that has ever existed. But
Speaker 1: then the personified aspect of God is the Mother, the Lady.
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: No, agreed, hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you watch my Halloween special of that movie by
Speaker 4: Darren Aronowsky Mother. That kind of shows the Mother is
Speaker 4: the womb or the platform that keeps these energies going
Speaker 4: and God is just playing around, you know, being a boy.
Speaker 4: But she is the one that really keeps everything in
Speaker 4: harmony and everything that matters. And yeah, the Gnostics, certainly
Speaker 4: and early Christians portrayed the Holy Spirit as feminine. That
Speaker 4: was no secret. They did that because they saw as
Speaker 4: the as the comforter. And also the Gnostics agreed with
Speaker 4: the Jews and or the Hebrews about the Shaquina, the
Speaker 4: lost wisdom of God that we have rejected. But she's
Speaker 4: still going around trying to help us out. I mean,
Speaker 4: the Book of Enoch itself says wisdom came down to
Speaker 4: the world, but men rejected it, so she went back
Speaker 4: to heaven. But she's still waiting. Sophia's still out there,
Speaker 4: this being trying to help us. As as scholars have said,
Speaker 4: as soon as the world fell, or evil came into
Speaker 4: the world, or it became like I said, it emanated
Speaker 4: to the point we forgot who we were and we
Speaker 4: became trapped. Whether it's we forgot or some other being tried,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. It's still the same process. Sophia started
Speaker 4: a rescue operation, which is to bring her children back home.
Speaker 4: And it's a beautiful metaphor that if we are wise,
Speaker 4: we get to go back home. You know, the ancients
Speaker 4: used to talk about wisdom alt Notice you're never going
Speaker 4: to see a politician or a rock star.
Speaker 3: You know, we must be wiser.
Speaker 4: That's by that's that's done on purpose, because you know,
Speaker 4: we know that the way out is to get wisdom back,
Speaker 4: to get her this divine being, and a certain any
Speaker 4: of the Gnostics portray this and so many of their
Speaker 4: their scriptures. And I love the part about the comforting
Speaker 4: because in some of the Gnostic myths it's very much
Speaker 4: like the Hindu myths. You have undivided consciousness. Right in Hinduism,
Speaker 4: you've got Shiva, and at some point undivided unconsciousness goes.
Speaker 3: Who am I?
Speaker 4: As soon as you say who am I? You create
Speaker 4: a division, right, a duality. It's who am I? When
Speaker 4: when that happened, a being came out to sort of
Speaker 4: help this freaked out consciousness, the supreme being. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: portrayed a Gnosticism as a woman bar below or in
Speaker 4: Hinduism as a shakpe of Prakti. And you know, this
Speaker 4: undivided is kind of well, who am I? And she
Speaker 4: helps him, She goes, you are the one? And you go,
Speaker 4: who else?
Speaker 3: Am I? You are pure goodness? Who else?
Speaker 4: And as they're having this conversation, the universe starts to
Speaker 4: flow out, and it flows out until the gods, until
Speaker 4: the material everything that has potential flows out with the
Speaker 4: help of this female power that kind of keeps everything
Speaker 4: together and in a state of harmony and in a
Speaker 4: state of peace. Now, of course, the Gnostics had different variations.
Speaker 4: You know, there was a glitch, things went wrong. Both
Speaker 4: the divine, feminine and masculine forgot. And now we have
Speaker 4: to remember so they had all these things, but this
Speaker 4: force has always been very important, and this goes throughout
Speaker 4: most of the Gnostic scriptures, like the Cathars. The Kathars
Speaker 4: in the land where they lived, they believed there's this
Speaker 4: ancient legend in the Pyrenees about a white lady who
Speaker 4: has been there since before time. Since we're talking very
Speaker 4: old pre Bronze age writings and tools, talking about why
Speaker 4: lady who rules this place, and she got eventually got
Speaker 4: connected to Mary Magdalene and Esclaramonde fois the great Kathar
Speaker 4: High priestess. But this white lady is very important in
Speaker 4: the Kathar myths and later on and of course, as
Speaker 4: we know and your work has shown, this white lady,
Speaker 4: the Sofia Shaquina again names appears from Fatima to Guadalalupe
Speaker 4: to all over the world, and she's just trying to
Speaker 4: get through, trying to make us wise and trying to
Speaker 4: tell us, you know, get your shit together, or you know,
Speaker 4: see what happened, fuck around, find out, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like she comforts us through the awakening process, which,
Speaker 1: as you said, is dangerous. It's scary. But you know
Speaker 1: what else is scary adolescence. You're eleven, twelve, thirteen year
Speaker 1: old boy, and all of a sudden, you know, you
Speaker 1: look to your left and that girl that sat by
Speaker 1: you ever did at that desk, is starting to look
Speaker 1: a little different. You're starting to feel a little different. Oh,
Speaker 1: something's moving inside of me. That I don't understand, you know,
Speaker 1: And everybody goes through this, every every young boy, every
Speaker 1: young girl. We grow up and we go through adolescents
Speaker 1: and it's uncomfortable, it's scary, it's humiliating, it's you know,
Speaker 1: and that's just the natural process of life moving into adulthood, right.
Speaker 1: And then we move into adulthood and we gain wisdom
Speaker 1: through experience, and I think that that is a mirror
Speaker 1: image of like our spiritual journey into adulthood as well,
Speaker 1: and that process is necessary. I'llbe it scary, you know, And.
Speaker 4: I thinkiner he said wisdom is just crystallized pain.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that, but that's true. Yeah, it's trauma
Speaker 1: and suffering. I was having this really profound meditation the
Speaker 1: other night. I don't know if you've felt any sort
Speaker 1: of strange sensations since this three iye Atlas passed through
Speaker 1: or anything, but I've just been feeling like extreme vibrating
Speaker 1: in my third eye and all kinds of weird sensations
Speaker 1: like ringing in my ears and stuff. And the other
Speaker 1: night I sort of just is where is this gonna sound?
Speaker 1: I just kind of popped out of body. And that's
Speaker 1: not new ever since going, you know, and getting involved
Speaker 1: with them in rows two and sort of that happening
Speaker 1: just that one time. It sort of opens a gateway,
Speaker 1: no pun intended, and it can just kind of happen
Speaker 1: more regularly. But anyway, so I did the other night,
Speaker 1: and it was like seeing all these fractals and seeing
Speaker 1: all these like you know, fractal beings and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and this information was coming into me, and something was
Speaker 1: seeing basically that the experience of life is terror and beauty.
Speaker 1: It was conveyed to me that the experience is terror
Speaker 1: and beauty, that it is a balance of both, and
Speaker 1: you must experience both to grow.
Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more.
Speaker 4: That's it light and darkness that I was seeing in
Speaker 4: Yang in the stadium, Fascinante tre mendo, Light and darkness.
Speaker 3: These are things we have to.
Speaker 4: Harmonize, accept and unify within ourselves. We all have a
Speaker 4: shadow and within the cosmos. And that's certainly what the
Speaker 4: Gnostics proposed. I mean, I know, people say, well, the
Speaker 4: Gnostics were world haters and talk to them too much. No,
Speaker 4: but they also discuss a lot of the beauty and
Speaker 4: holiness of the world. But they also don't mince words
Speaker 4: when it comes to the evil and the darkness. How
Speaker 4: these spirits. If there's a rule in the universe, is
Speaker 4: that everything eats everything, and that includes in the spiritual world.
Speaker 4: As Stephen Heller wants, a Gnostic bishop once wisely said,
Speaker 4: the first sound in the universe wasn't ulm, it was munch. Like,
Speaker 4: everything has to eat each other, and these beings have
Speaker 4: to feed, and they will feed as Shamans know this.
Speaker 4: These spiritual beings will feed on our loosh or our
Speaker 4: soul or it's that's the economy of the entire universe.
Speaker 4: And they often, whether it's the gods or a Braxis
Speaker 4: or extra they don't have human morality. They appear to
Speaker 4: us as tricksters because they don't have the same morality
Speaker 4: and they have their own agenda, and we can learn
Speaker 4: to negotiate and find their benefits. But yeah, at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, we have to accept your Like
Speaker 4: you said, the universe is both light and darkness.
Speaker 1: Well, and my understanding of the cosmos just based on
Speaker 1: you know, interaction with beings in the visible spectrum tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of times over a period of almost twenty years. Now,
Speaker 1: is that a cat I hear in the background.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little kitten that wants to be with me.
Speaker 1: But I have I have two that are always trying
Speaker 1: to barge in when I'm recording. But right now, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, there there are negative parasitic entities that
Speaker 1: want to feed on people. That is true. People think
Speaker 1: there's these reptilians and these grays and these draco's, and
Speaker 1: I say, bull crap, that it's more like the spirit view,
Speaker 1: where it's you know, things emanating from other realities dimensions.
Speaker 1: One could say, so there are negative entities from lower
Speaker 1: vibrational planes of existence that attached to your mind and
Speaker 1: want to feast on you, and they want to you know,
Speaker 1: they want to consume your energy, and they want to
Speaker 1: make you go mad and just you know, thrive off
Speaker 1: of your fear. But then there are angelic beings too,
Speaker 1: and they come in and they intervene, and they're near
Speaker 1: to your heart and they help when you call them,
Speaker 1: and they are good, and perhaps they are us many many, many,
Speaker 1: many many stages in the future advanced where we've ascended
Speaker 1: to such a level that we can come back and
Speaker 1: appear as you know, be not afraid, for I'm an
Speaker 1: angel of the Lord. You don't know right. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be what we're becoming through many lifetimes and
Speaker 1: stages of existence. But you know, there is good and
Speaker 1: there is bad, and I think it's important not to
Speaker 1: get lost in a nihilistic view because there are angelic
Speaker 1: forces that help when we call out to them. But
Speaker 1: there are some bad ones too. There are some bad
Speaker 1: beings that possess people and make them go crazy and
Speaker 1: make them kill themselves, or if they have enough room
Speaker 1: to play in their mind and they're really weak and vulnerable,
Speaker 1: to kill other people, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's again another thing I liked about the
Speaker 4: Gnostics is that the idea of mind parasites, they were
Speaker 4: already talking about it two thousand years ago. The concept
Speaker 4: of the counterfeit spirit. You find it in the Pistos
Speaker 4: Sophia Secret Book of John. Of this how the archons
Speaker 4: install this false self within our mind that keeps us
Speaker 4: from doing good. It makes us harm ourselves, it makes
Speaker 4: us worship the wrong gods, It contains all our mistakes
Speaker 4: and sort of just it tracks what we're doing. And yeah,
Speaker 4: it's to the Gnostics that was the most pernicious invention
Speaker 4: of the demiurge, the ruler of this universe, the ignort
Speaker 4: demented ruler of this universe, and I certainly believe in it.
Speaker 3: And now I know.
Speaker 4: There's like schools of thought, like you know, David Ike
Speaker 4: or John lamlash or that they feed off our looge,
Speaker 4: just our negative but in in Gnostic texts, they simply
Speaker 4: feed off of our divinity or divine spark, because that's
Speaker 4: how they sustain the universe very much. You mentioned the matrix.
Speaker 4: Instead of electricity powering the matrix, it's our divine spark
Speaker 4: that powers the matrix. So they'll keep us the feed
Speaker 4: off of us, but they'll keep us through any means possible,
Speaker 4: not just terror or bad decisions, but also the good
Speaker 4: stuff in life, you know, iPhones and sex and alcohol
Speaker 4: and all that. They'll do anything to keep us trapped.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, I think that's that's a lot to consider,
Speaker 1: you know, to think about being trapped in a system
Speaker 1: of control. And I know, like, for for example, Robert Monroe,
Speaker 1: when he started going out of body, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he was into gnosticism or anything like this, and
Speaker 1: I know he was previously not religious whatsoever, at least
Speaker 1: in the fifties when he started going out of body,
Speaker 1: and then boom. He starts going out of body thousands
Speaker 1: of times. And one thing he noticed was there was
Speaker 1: a control system and there were entities that were He
Speaker 1: called it loosh right, that they were feeding on our entities,
Speaker 1: I mean, our energies, emotional states, that it's like gives
Speaker 1: sustenance to them. But also, as you pass into higher
Speaker 1: worlds and progress through dimensions, you'll see that there's this
Speaker 1: light source that's just like flickering, that is emanating all reality.
Speaker 1: That's how he saw it through the filter of his
Speaker 1: understanding and his experience. So I'm thinking, huh, that's kind
Speaker 1: of like gnosticism, right, that there's a source that's emanating
Speaker 1: all these different worlds of existence on the lower level here,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, there's something feeding on us. I
Speaker 1: really just tend to think that it's like this is
Speaker 1: the place where you come to purge your negative karma.
Speaker 1: That it's kind of basically like hell. And you know,
Speaker 1: the myth of Lucifer is us being in some higher
Speaker 1: spiritual form and we got prideful or whatever the reason
Speaker 1: is we fell into materiality and then through the path
Speaker 1: of Christ is the way we ascend back out of
Speaker 1: here to more heavenly realms. So you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: this is hell, but hey, that's really good news because
Speaker 1: it could Yeah, it's the best news you'll probably really
Speaker 1: ever get because it could be worse.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're lower levels of hell. Yeah, And that's what
Speaker 4: the Gnostics. Again, they weren't just pulling stuff out of
Speaker 4: their bots. They if you read Plato's Fado, Socrates says famously,
Speaker 4: the body is the tomb. We might be in hades
Speaker 4: and we don't know it. And many Gnostics or church
Speaker 4: fathers even like Origins that we are at the highest
Speaker 4: plane of hell because there is suffering, there's death, there
Speaker 4: is you know, uh, there's all these there's temporality, there
Speaker 4: is suffering, and we can't allow it. I always like them.
Speaker 4: I always admire the Gnostics in the Buddhists, because they
Speaker 4: really go through the suffering part. They're not gonna let
Speaker 4: it go. They're not gonna say, make the best of it.
Speaker 4: They're like, suffering is bad, temporalities bad, Let's go for
Speaker 4: the infinite. And in their texts it's all their rituals.
Speaker 4: It's always again, you go down into hell and you
Speaker 4: can take it psychologically right, You meet your shadow, your trauma.
Speaker 4: You gotta heal that, confront your fears, and then once
Speaker 4: you overcome the arkans or survive them like Osyrus, like
Speaker 4: the shaman, like Jesus who goes down into hell for
Speaker 4: three days, then you go into the astral worlds. And
Speaker 4: their texts are just replete with going into the star portals.
Speaker 4: We're traveling dimensions. We're going higher and higher and avoiding
Speaker 4: the arkons until again they reach the supreme consciousness, who
Speaker 4: they often call the alien God, but they had many names.
Speaker 4: The one and of course the Neoplatonist wrote about this,
Speaker 4: the hermeticis is again it's this astral shamanistic flight where
Speaker 4: no man has gone beyond, you know, the edge of reality.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Have you had any experience with this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: like any sort of meditative experiences or anything of that nature.
Speaker 4: Small ones meditation, but the big ones have been ayahuasca.
Speaker 3: That's been for me.
Speaker 4: And again everybody's different, I don't you do you and
Speaker 4: your mileage may vary, but ayahuasca's what's helped me, probably
Speaker 4: because I've got so many blockages, so much trauma, But
Speaker 4: ayahuasca really breaks me free, even though it is horrible
Speaker 4: because again, same ritual. Even though you have this, I
Speaker 4: do this with Santo daim Christianistic from the Amazons, you know,
Speaker 4: its own tradition. It's the same ritual. Ryan, Oh I'm
Speaker 4: going down into hell. I'm being torn apart and oh
Speaker 4: but now I am flying across the universe like you
Speaker 4: know John Lennon, and it's the most ecstatic thing in
Speaker 4: the world. But same ritual. But that's when I've had
Speaker 4: my out of body experiences. But it all comes with
Speaker 4: a death. Something kills me after I've faced all my
Speaker 4: fears and trauma and it's like, I mean literally, I've
Speaker 4: had the demons just tear me apart and it's it's horrible.
Speaker 4: It's like it really happened.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you're experiencing that because that's or
Speaker 1: let me just say, because your whole life and your
Speaker 1: mission is so focused on these traditions that revolve around
Speaker 1: initiation and the revelation of mysteries. Because like, for example,
Speaker 1: I've never heard of people saying every time they do
Speaker 1: ayahuasca it's like they're being killed. They descend to.
Speaker 4: Help everything sometimes, Yeah, I'm talking about the most intense
Speaker 4: one thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's a fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I see I thought you were. I thought
Speaker 1: you meant literally every time, because I just wonder.
Speaker 4: If three times of the twenty thirty times.
Speaker 1: I've done, I wonder if that's happening to you because
Speaker 1: you are so focused on myth ritual traditions, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like this spirit is presenting this to your
Speaker 1: consciousness in a digestible way, almost like putting you through
Speaker 1: a ritual initiation, but you know, in the subtle realms,
Speaker 1: in an out of body state with ayahuasca, right, it's
Speaker 1: like a ritual from the spirit world. That's just my take.
Speaker 1: Like this this death and rebirth ceremony that you're having
Speaker 1: to live over and over, that's what they were doing
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, see, no contact with other cultures, same experiences. It's
Speaker 4: it truly is archetypal and universal. Shamans have been doing
Speaker 4: this for tens of thousands of years. Well, the first
Speaker 4: time that had happened to me, I had just started.
Speaker 4: I'd only been learning about the Gnostics for a few months,
Speaker 4: and I'm just you know, doing this music and hi
Speaker 4: on nyahuasca and something. Oh my god, I just left
Speaker 4: my body and I am just going up into the heavens,
Speaker 4: and I had no idea about these rituals. And suddenly
Speaker 4: I see this being converge, this pure darkness like so
Speaker 4: dark avoid and this being set apraxis. I am a
Speaker 4: braxis and I freaked out and I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, this being's going to swallow me. And interesting
Speaker 4: Ryan my aunt who was she was next door from
Speaker 4: the church. She had a broken leg. She woke up
Speaker 4: in the middle of the ritual. She was sleeping and
Speaker 4: she like went on a wheelchair went into the church
Speaker 4: and my uncle, who's the Patriot arc and she screamed
Speaker 4: at my uncle, stop Miguel, he's too far away. And
Speaker 4: my uncle had to come and wake me up, like
Speaker 4: shake me from my ayahuasca vision. Because wow, so there
Speaker 4: was something there. I mean, what alerted my aunt you
Speaker 4: know next door and what was happening? So something weird
Speaker 4: was happening.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've had some out of body meditations, not on any substance,
Speaker 1: just just purely like meditation, right, And I've seen things
Speaker 1: like I saw I saw myself as you know, being
Speaker 1: in this room with these like controls, and it's symbolic, right.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of this is symbolic, but it
Speaker 1: was like a hologram of reality was being expressed infinitely
Speaker 1: and fractally, and there was these enormous beings of light
Speaker 1: kind of interacting with this little control panel, and then
Speaker 1: it was like zoom in, zoom in, zoom in, zoom in. Oh,
Speaker 1: look there's little Ryan. He's on this dimension like way
Speaker 1: down there. And it was basically like endless fractals of
Speaker 1: dimensions just constantly being created, and it was mind blowing,
Speaker 1: you know, and just all kinds of stuff like that,
Speaker 1: like in the out of body states, seeing fractals, seeing
Speaker 1: weird things.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: You know, beings of light just communicating to me. And
Speaker 1: that's not new to me, you know, I've seen that
Speaker 1: many times with my eyes throughout my life. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I tend to think that this is a universal experience
Speaker 1: of humankind. Like the Tibetans were writing about it, obviously,
Speaker 1: the Gnostics were writing about it. Obviously, all the mystery
Speaker 1: traditions around the world, and even in Christianity they write
Speaker 1: about going out of body, like John of pat Most
Speaker 1: when he's writing Revelation that he poof he goes out
Speaker 1: of body and he's in the in the realm of
Speaker 1: heaven and he's given this vision of what is to come.
Speaker 1: Right like this is a natural thing that is a
Speaker 1: part of our multidimensional nature, that we can directly have
Speaker 1: experience of the divine, and that our consciousness can leave
Speaker 1: the body momentarily, and as Rudolph Steiner said, uh perceive
Speaker 1: higher worlds. Right throughout esp we can perceive higher worlds.
Speaker 1: And we know that in ancient times they would do
Speaker 1: these rituals and induced near death states or use certain
Speaker 1: breathing techniques or whatever, use chemicals like ergot root which
Speaker 1: synthesizes LSD. We know that was in the Kaikon potion
Speaker 1: and Greece when they would do the Elysian mysteries. And
Speaker 1: you know, we know there's some evidence of like mushrooms
Speaker 1: being used in certain cultures and things like that. The
Speaker 1: Acacia tree, right, that's important to the Masons, and it's
Speaker 1: supposedly buried with highermabif and the Templars and the Masons
Speaker 1: have this idea of you know, DMT being extracted in
Speaker 1: ancient times for rituals from the acacia tree. So there's
Speaker 1: many ways to skin a cat. But you know, to
Speaker 1: stop rambling for any longer on this my point is
Speaker 1: that this is a universal thing that we've always experienced,
Speaker 1: and it's totally natural, you know, and it's it's complicated.
Speaker 1: It's not just like, oh, I got to go to
Speaker 1: church on Sunday and then sit in this building for
Speaker 1: an hour and that's where I get God inside this box.
Speaker 1: Like no, God is within you all the time, you know.
Speaker 1: And because of this, you're powerful and you can leave
Speaker 1: your body or you could, you could, who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: eventually we can levitate. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm following up the Elvis book with the David
Speaker 4: Bowie book. Somebody who was just like Elvis but more
Speaker 4: overtly into gnosticism and you know, had extraterrestrial experience, was
Speaker 4: a you know, a natural mystic all that. But one
Speaker 4: of the movies I compare his life to. Do you
Speaker 4: ever watch a movie called Pleasantville? I'm no whole film, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's a film. Toby maguire is in it, and it's
Speaker 4: a film about this brother and sister get transported with
Speaker 4: a magical, magical remote control to sort of a fifties
Speaker 4: TV show and everything's black and white, you know, the idyllic,
Speaker 4: you know, leave it to beaver.
Speaker 3: Yeah kind of.
Speaker 4: It's called Pleasantville, and everybody's happy. The husband comes from home,
Speaker 4: the white gives them as Martini kids have short haircuts.
Speaker 4: But this they come from this other dimension and they
Speaker 4: start teaching everybody things like you know, you know, avant
Speaker 4: garde art or kissing people while on dates. And every
Speaker 4: time they do that, color appears in this world, and
Speaker 4: more color, and so other people start doing all these
Speaker 4: strange things again art and sex and trying drugs, and
Speaker 4: suddenly the whole world, this black and white television show
Speaker 4: is getting color. And of course the powers that be
Speaker 4: feel threatened, and they tried, of course kill those who
Speaker 4: are bringing color to Pleasantville.
Speaker 3: Oh God, and the end there's this battle, and uh,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a great, very very.
Speaker 4: Gnostic movie if you ever check it out. But it's
Speaker 4: a it's beautiful about how bringing color to the world.
Speaker 4: As you're talking, that's the whole idea. But something had
Speaker 4: to die and that's the black and white fifties world.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I love that. I need to see like a master
Speaker 1: list of all your Gnostic movie recommendations. Sure, sure, I
Speaker 1: wrote down The Dark City and there.
Speaker 3: Was another one on your obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite movie ever.
Speaker 3: Truman Show is another classic. One thirteenth Floor.
Speaker 1: That was the one thirteenth floor. I wrote that down
Speaker 1: thirteenth Floor in the Dark City because I haven't seen those.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh there's then they have twists within twists within twists here,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Wow movies.
Speaker 4: I'll give you a good Gnostic idea or framework if
Speaker 4: you would, and your listeners too.
Speaker 1: What do you think about like the whole Garden of Eden.
Speaker 1: I know we touched on this a little bit, but
Speaker 1: the idea, I guess you basically said that the serpent
Speaker 1: metaphorically is Jesus, and that would make sense, right, like
Speaker 1: if the Gnostic view is true, and we barely scratch
Speaker 1: the surface on this, which a part of the Gnostic
Speaker 1: view includes the idea that the Old Testament God is
Speaker 1: more like Satan or an evil force that's, you know,
Speaker 1: a control figure. There is this notion that Jesus was
Speaker 1: talking about a completely different God, which I truly believe,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of evidence for this scripturally. I
Speaker 1: think if you really use your intuitive lens, you'll see
Speaker 1: that he'll say things like when he's talking to the
Speaker 1: Sadducees or the Pharisees. He says, you know, your father
Speaker 1: is the father of lies Satan, and he says things like,
Speaker 1: you know, God is light. To worship God, we must
Speaker 1: be God is light, God a spirit to worship God.
Speaker 1: We can only worship in spirit. And he just was
Speaker 1: saying these new things that didn't really jibe with the
Speaker 1: Old Testament tradition, right.
Speaker 3: But it's better than that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Gospel of John was first used by the Gnostics.
Speaker 4: That passage you just said, in the original translations, Jesus goes,
Speaker 4: your father is the father of the devil. In other words,
Speaker 4: he's not saying that the devil is their father, that
Speaker 4: there's a father on top. He's talking about the demiurge.
Speaker 4: So in the original text Jesus is talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: the father the demiurge.
Speaker 1: So that would very much make sense. Though, if we
Speaker 1: have it wrong, and we have it backwards for the
Speaker 1: last two thousand years, and instead of Adam and Eve
Speaker 1: expected to be good little slaves and not question and
Speaker 1: not seek knowledge, but they're just expected to sit there
Speaker 1: like prisoners and not express any free will or curiosity,
Speaker 1: it would make sense that in truth, the serpent probably
Speaker 1: was the good guy.
Speaker 4: He was an awakener and serpents are symbols of wisdom,
Speaker 4: and that's probably what the original story was because as
Speaker 4: most know that Adam and Eve is probably based on
Speaker 4: the Anunaki story, you know, where Anki creates the first humans.
Speaker 4: And in the original story, actually Eve was superior to
Speaker 4: Adam and the Gnostics they kept that Eve is actually
Speaker 4: the awaken Sophia's trying to help Adam. It's not you know,
Speaker 4: the whole rib thing and all that. She is Sophia
Speaker 4: that's also smuggled into the Garden of Eden to help Adam.
Speaker 4: And the story then goes and remember you have the
Speaker 4: story of what yahweh defeating Leviathan and b so again
Speaker 4: you have this story about this serpent that's defeated by
Speaker 4: the solar male left wing powers. But yeah, the Garden
Speaker 4: of Eden, according to the Nonsticks, was not a good place.
Speaker 4: It's an illusion, a prison, and Adam and Eve were
Speaker 4: really the heroes along with the serpent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that does make sense to me. And
Speaker 1: then there was something else I got distracted by the
Speaker 1: Solar thing, something that a very good friend of mine
Speaker 1: in the Templar tradition told me was that anytime that
Speaker 1: you see like a solar symbol in the ancient past
Speaker 1: in regards to a mythological or religious tradition and modern
Speaker 1: times people would think, oh, they worshiped the sun. No
Speaker 1: they didn't, but it was rather a symbol that they
Speaker 1: believed in the esoteric view of God and that the
Speaker 1: true Son is God. But this can only be experience.
Speaker 1: It's not in the physical dimension. But when you cross
Speaker 1: the void, either through death or going out of body
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that you do to leave the body,
Speaker 1: that the true light of God, and it's a white light.
Speaker 1: It exists in another world, right, and that's the sun.
Speaker 1: That it's not this physical orb in the sky that
Speaker 1: people were worshiping, But that is just even a symbolic
Speaker 1: expression of the higher emanation, which as we know, is
Speaker 1: not material. This dense physical world is a lower world
Speaker 1: and the higher we go, you know, the physical fades
Speaker 1: away and it's more spirit, it's more you know, mental,
Speaker 1: psychic whatever. So I find that very interesting.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's a good one.
Speaker 4: The police thing had that old song there must be
Speaker 4: an invisible sun.
Speaker 3: They're probably right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Like they have this notion of the star
Speaker 1: Sirius being a secret sun. That's a Mason thing. I
Speaker 1: think that song by Soundgarden what black Hole Sun so
Speaker 1: and that people speculate that as being a negative thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it to have an opinion
Speaker 1: either way, but it's just I.
Speaker 4: Like, remember, most stars in the solar and then the
Speaker 4: universe are binary stars. In other words, there's always two sons.
Speaker 4: And some have said, well, where's we might have a
Speaker 4: second son, but we can't see it or it's been
Speaker 4: hidden from us, and that's part of why we're so
Speaker 4: in balance, because we don't know you know that there
Speaker 4: are two sons and we need those twin spirits, if
Speaker 4: you would.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, wow, Well I have really enjoyed this. I
Speaker 1: think that I could sit here and just pull you know,
Speaker 1: this thread for hours and hours and hours, and I
Speaker 1: definitely get the sense that we need to do this again.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: So thank you very much for coming on the show
Speaker 1: and you know, giving me some of your time. That's
Speaker 1: very special to me. Please remind the viewers one more
Speaker 1: time where they can find your show.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, it's been a blast, Thank you, thank you
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Speaker 3: I have to do that because.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just going to close out the way that
Speaker 1: we always do, which is saying bye guys, and you
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