Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, everybody?
Speaker 2: Welcome back to an episode of Challenge, the podcast all
about the challenge as always. I'm Brian sitting in his
dark in bedroom he kicked his children out of and
they're not allowed in it no more.
Speaker 3: I'm alone.
Speaker 2: See how long that lasts? Uh? Sitting in the Dallas airport.
Speaker 4: Where I am not allowed.
Speaker 2: Help her go down under is.
Speaker 4: Arlan san Diego.
Speaker 2: And sitting at work, upset that he missed out on
another Mormon orgy over the weekend. Zach, everybody ahead of
a challenge byt dot Comdoe the but you can also
draw the patron. We'll get it to later.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Patty just asked if we're all drinking tonight?
Speaker 3: Two of us are the podcast. I'm drinking a very
heavily spiked hot chocolate tonight, very festive drink.
Speaker 2: Some of us are alcoholics like you.
Speaker 4: To sucks to be you, dude. I mean I had
I had Tim tonight to Yeah. I had two sangrees
in the Minneapolis there for so I felt real toasted
for the flight.
Speaker 6: Open here, need to have all the cool kids are alcoholics.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I had three beers off the weekend.
Speaker 5: It was great, big alcoholic around Tim.
Speaker 2: Don't ever want to drink around Tim.
Speaker 3: Party animal that will be.
Speaker 2: He always gets excited. Who's drinking with me?
Speaker 3: Nobody? One? Yeah, right, like one be ever going for six?
That's how good.
Speaker 4: Tim.
Speaker 5: You might have a problem.
Speaker 3: Uh no, No, I've decided. I've decided I do not
this being a problem with guys. We're in the problem
era of this show where they just have given up, right,
even the producers are given up. They don't give a shit.
They've just titled this one location change era. They don't
even try anymore. The flashback had nothing to do with
the location change, but it did have to do with
DM losing the final or the final elimination right before
the final Sally, this is dual two. I don't know
is this memorable for anybody anybody cares about?
Speaker 4: Honestly, had completely forgotten about that it happened. I don't
I don't remember this happening in the show. But whatever,
I've never.
Speaker 2: Seen that season.
Speaker 3: So oh, it's a great season.
Speaker 7: Actually it was a great season, Hannah.
Speaker 8: Like every season we have someone that gets cut right
before the end. So it's like, this is nothing special
or worth scene.
Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, but we I mean, I thought This episode
wasn't even like the cutting team one before the end episode.
This was just the final elimination. I think people before
the end episode is next to you. It's during the
final there's four people and there's we still have to
lose one.
Speaker 3: This was the same sort of thing. This is the
last elimination before the dual to final.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah it didn't. It didn't have much of a connection.
Usually the flashbacks are a little more connected. It's usually
like you can find a reason that they played that one.
This one just sort of likes they must have just
wanted to put DM in there.
Speaker 4: I think they were trying to equate Kara's game with
DM playing a quote unquote clean game and what and
Car has kind of done that this season.
Speaker 3: So yeah, uh all right, Well anyway, they're back at
the house. Uh, Derek talks about his win and blah
blah blah. Mostly everybody was talking about where they're going
next on this location change. I'm gonna be honest, though,
I don't care. I don't care about the location change.
Does anybody genuinely give a shit about a location change?
Any of the viewers?
Speaker 2: Not? Really?
Speaker 4: I do not. I like the location changes when they
go from somewhere really hot to really cold or really
wet to really dry, when they're just going through Vietnam
to the Philippines, basically the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the scenery is the same. Yeah, you remember
the ones like where they went to the desert, you know,
or where they went to the to the mountain, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when you're just like it's like a hot
jungle to another hot jungle, it's like, Okay, well I
don't give a shit, but Zach, you give a shit.
Speaker 8: I mean, I definitely like it more like you guys
were saying, well, there's a massive like difference between the
two locations, but even without that, I think just you know,
for a while there, it seemed like they would do
it every season. It's kind of just like a landmark
to make it too, kind of like lopyl and survivor
Big Brother, Like I just want to make.
Speaker 7: It to the merge and the jury. It's like, oh,
I want to make it to the location change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you even want to know do you think it's
do you think it's worse to go out first in
the show or sort of last, right before the final.
Speaker 1: Uh right.
Speaker 4: I think it's worse to go out first because at
least right before the final, then you've made all the
money through the entire season.
Speaker 8: Smart I mean comes back because we know that some
people like CT Bananas West, like they get huge, you know,
stipends just to show up, no matter how far they go.
But if you're established and you're getting a big payday,
I think, hey, get there, work for three days, go home,
get your huge paycheck. If you're kind of working your
way up, obviously you want to make it far, build
a name for yourself, get as long as much of
those weekly stipend checks as you can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a they get
paid once, like I don't think for Johnny and CT
and I don't think it's a they just get that
one big giant paycheck. It's they They're weekly stipend is
higher than everybody else's. He's like, if it's anything like
any other reality TV show out there, then the longer
you've been on the show, the higher your check are.
But you don't get a check for that week if
you don't show up in that episode.
Speaker 3: I think that it's a combo. I think that these
people do get an appearance. I think Bananas gets sixty
grand for showing up and then a stipend or whatever,
and so that that does allow guys like West I think,
to take bigger risks. You know, if they get one
hundred grand just for stepping foot in the house, they
give they give a little fewer shifs and they you know,
they they play a little more recklessly, which is good.
I think it's good.
Speaker 4: I would olways rise if they get a like an
appearance feet just in general. But then I still think
it's a They still get paid weekly, so that appearance
fee might be higher, but it may not be worth
not sticking around.
Speaker 5: For the entire season get week checks as well.
Speaker 8: And also someone like at this point, someone like you know,
a ct or Bananas, if they go big the first episode,
go home, they're they're almost certainly gaining a call for
the future seasons where your lesser known.
Speaker 7: Names you go out first. That might be the last
time we ever see you.
Speaker 4: Very true. This was an episode full of also asked
sorry before we move on. David also asked what was
tj On about with the it's a lot less green
than Vietnam. I agree with him. It was not actually
a lot less green. It just happened to be more water.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, real stupid, generally real stupid. Yeah it
worst worst location change in a long time. All Right,
A lot of talk around the house about just all
of this ship that challenges talk about Oh, top five women,
aren't we in great? Top nine overall? Aren't we amazing?
We worked so hard?
Speaker 6: All this blah blah blah stuff.
Speaker 3: But I did appreciate some of the old school cameos
to Rachel's previous wins.
Speaker 6: We talked about the Duel two when already and the.
Speaker 3: Flash for two her Gauntlet win with my girl Sarah,
Sarah Grayson, the good Sarah looking hot as usual, good
little flashbacks to those Gauntlets seasons.
Speaker 6: Care yep, that's my girl, Sarah Grayson is Sarah?
Speaker 4: Like number one is Sarah Grayson number one for you?
Just of all women and the challenge? No? Is that
like the epitome of the hot roll for you? Or
do you have someone a women?
Speaker 3: All women ever? All women ever? My number one is
Zoey Dachanel.
Speaker 4: As I was saying that I was thinking would probably be.
Speaker 3: Up there, Challenge World, Challenge World, Sarah Grayson O yes,
Christina Ricci, Christina, she's in there. She's top five. Probably
who went on a Writer's Top five. Katy Perry's top ten,
and you know she's in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Katy Perry probably the same thing as Zoey Dachel.
Have you ever seen the pictures of the two of them?
And there I think there are two other women, like
there are three or four of them that you put
them all next to each other. They all look exactly same.
Speaker 3: Yep, and so hot. They're also hot. And Zoey Deel
not knowing.
Speaker 2: Them, I feel like, because Zoey Dachel's quirkiness, you would
get tired of real quick.
Speaker 3: But until I got tired, it's super cute, Like for
a minute or two, it's super cute.
Speaker 6: She plays a ukulele.
Speaker 2: It's adorable.
Speaker 6: I mean, all right, so yeah, they go.
Speaker 3: Oh gross, uh all right, so yeah, they're going to
Philipins Swoop. They get on a plane, who cares, uh?
And now they arrive with this villa.
Speaker 6: The villa's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: It's I don't know, it's like, I don't know, this
villa is cooler than.
Speaker 6: The last villa, right or last sure castle they were
in or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is somewhere that I would want
to stay. I didn't want to stay in the castle,
whatever the fore traits, whatever they were in the.
Speaker 3: Four Yeah, and more just talking heads about all the
stupid shit. Bananas is still the only one really talking
about alliances and stuff. Everyone else seems to have moved
on past the alliance talk and they're just talking about like, hey, final.
Speaker 6: Let's go.
Speaker 2: That dude is obsessed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a recurring theme.
Speaker 2: Definitely someone who needs attention. Twenty four seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, three other girls.
Speaker 2: In the house decided to give him attention. He cannot
stop and once more of it.
Speaker 3: Jesus, Yeah, Zach Bananas looks real, petty and weird. This
episode gotta be real, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Telling you that. Yeah, there is the episode that Kara
told him tinker Bell, where if he doesn't get attention,
he dies. Like I legitimately, I have never heard anyone
describe him more perfectly. It is the perfect description of
that man.
Speaker 8: Like at least the first part, because the first time
we really see him speak up here is when Tor like, yeah,
it's great, how this season there was like no big alliance,
just running stuff and she wasn't they you know she
lived long enough. You know that the Batman saying you
either die here or live long as long enough to
become the villain.
Speaker 2: Bring up Batman to reinforce bullshit that Johnny says he did.
Speaker 8: Not realize that she and her friends became the villains.
They were the big alliance, and Johnny called them on
it when they're trying to like, oh no, we were
just all in individual games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely not being a hypocrite this entire episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think generally the thing that bothers everybody about
Bananas is the hypocrisy of it of when it's when
Bananas does it, it's a game move and you shouldn't be offended.
It's just game, it's just money, it's just the game.
And when they do it to him challenges. Yeah, because
you can see this as like them extending the olive
branch of like Bananas were fine, Like we're at the final,
like let's just beach it be cool now, but Bananas
like kick that away.
Speaker 2: Oh he knows in the big old poudy baby mode. Yes,
Like I'm just saying, from seasons from here on, you
can't expect me to be friends. Blah blah, blah, it's
just like a little bitch baby bullshit stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeap, he looked pretty pathetic here in mind.
Speaker 4: I loved that everyone had his fucking number group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone, it's Jordan.
Speaker 4: Had his fucking number.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 4: Having them just go.
Speaker 3: I think Jordan said it the most clearly. What did
he say? Yeah? Uh when he was just like, well,
you can't you can't claim the Banana's angels while also
embracing the Torri and Michelle's side, like you're also picking sides,
Like you can't have it both ways. You both picked
sides and that's how it worked out. So you can't
be mad at one person picking a side when you
also did.
Speaker 4: Yep, anyway, totally agree.
Speaker 7: You can't.
Speaker 8: Can't pick it about you know that there was a
huge group majority of Alliance, and so the outliers had
to be like, hey, we got banned together to fight
this evil conglomerate or else we're just to be picked
off one by one.
Speaker 4: Okay. I call bullshit on this because if if Johnny
had not freaked the fuck out on the shell, then
he could have been part of the Alliance and you
wouldn't be saying any of this. It's because he freaked
out on her, and he lost all of his friends
in that alliance. He lost seven, he lost her, he
lost Toy because he freaked out, and now he's trying
to play the pity party.
Speaker 7: I don't think you freaked out. He just told my shoe,
you know, be careful.
Speaker 3: Zach, Yes, yes we can. I'm gonna I'm gonna cut.
I'm sorry man or is thatch Zachy, I'm just gonna
push forward. I hated this episode, guys. I just really
hated this, especially this part as they're talking around the
table of like, oh, what's your favorite part this season?
And then it showed flashbacks to those parts, including the
scenes from last episode. Do we need a flashback to
last fucking episode of this shit?
Speaker 5: Apparently?
Speaker 3: Now some of some of this we we do need
because this happened six goddamn months ago. So I did
fucking forget that Anissa was on this season and shit
like that. So like, some of these flashbacks were necessary,
but like, come on, we don't need to devote fifteen
minutes of this fucking episode to shit previously in the
same fucking season. I hate this show right now.
Speaker 2: I hate these episodes.
Speaker 4: We go Jacqueline requested it, Uh yeah, and then Zachi
Banana has tried to say that in response to first
saying Johnny Bananas tried to say, you and every woman
wants to Zach, you need to eat your words, and
that's the real bullshit.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 4: Zach exactly just needs to stick out of his mouth.
So that's what he thinks everybody wants to.
Speaker 3: All right, guess we're going past this last dinner unless
you guys have anything else to say about flashbacks to
previously in the season.
Speaker 2: This whole thing was just Johnny being an idiot.
Speaker 4: Look like it was more of him trying to play
the victim card.
Speaker 2: And I've never had people to stalk by my side before.
Speaker 4: I do love. I did really love when Klara in
her confessionals like you have he's been riding on this
stealing the money from Sarah for years type of thing,
like I'm still trying to defend that.
Speaker 5: It just cracked me out.
Speaker 3: All right, well, we're the challenge here. We'll if you
hit the thing.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: Riverside sucks. TJ says, welcome to your last challenge, So confirm, guys,
this is the last one before the final. If anybody
was under any other idea, that's what's going on, if
anybody's forgotten. The targets this week are Kara, Rachel and
Jenny uh tj here as they As he announces the challenge,
he says, all four men are in the final. They've
all made it. This challenge is basically they decide which
a female goes home.
Speaker 2: The last male does get a penalty for.
Speaker 3: The ye for the final. That's right, give them in
a little bit of something to fight for here about you?
Speaker 7: People?
Speaker 8: By I hated this with the men gain a penalty
because just because it seems like unfair that someone from
the men's side would go into to the final of
the penalty but not a woman.
Speaker 3: So so how do you how do you make this fair? What? What?
How do you give the dudes a reason to give
a shit about?
Speaker 4: Did the women not get a penalty? Did the last
place woman nottive penalty? She went straight?
Speaker 8: So Derek will have a penalty in the final, but
no woman will have a penalty in the final.
Speaker 4: Okay, wait, hold on, so back up, did we did
the people who placed last during the season that were
not actually targets, did they still get penalties in the
next episode.
Speaker 3: I missed the I missed the question.
Speaker 9: What so there there were two or three people who
were not targets who placed last on this on an
episode where they ended up having to go into elimination.
Did they get penalties the next episode even though they
also went into elimination?
Speaker 2: No, No, the opposite gender, because it would be the
opposite gender.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The penalties were always to give the gender that
wasn't competing a reason to compete. So this is this
is how they do it. I guess I didn't think
about that, Zach, You're right. It's it's weird to have
one person with a penalty and a fine. I didn't
think about that. But then I guess I don't know
how to incentivize the men to do it, to try.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't even have the men compete. There's no
reason to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're never going to do I guess the
rest of the season. There was a reason. There was
a reason the rest of the season the men had
to because there was the target selection. Yeah, this this
last elimination, maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe they just have
a women's one.
Speaker 2: David brings up, give the winning dude free burger King
for a year. That is something to find for.
Speaker 8: Such a divided house. The men's, you know, uh, desire
to compete is just, hey, if you win, you get
to control which woman goes in to a degree, like
that's what you're fighting for.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I guess the win the winner matters.
Then the loser, I mean, I'm.
Speaker 4: The losers Banana or no, the loser stopped it, but
the loser's Derek, never mind Derek.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think they just should have had no punishment for
the men, just like, hey, try to win, to throw
in the woman you want, that's your incentive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they could have. They could have done it where
once someone wins, then they cut it there for the dudes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then the guys just stopped playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have just been whoever wins, you know,
it's to choose and then just have TJ some bullshit
thing like in order to get to my final you
have to complete this challenge or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, something stupid. Uh well, this challenge is called
Fortress Bricks. Again they've given up. There are no puns
here anymore.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, the name for this one was awful.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Episode two, location change era give me a fucking break.
Speaker 2: MTV.
Speaker 4: Well, in the topic the.
Speaker 5: Wave that PJ announced the name of the of the challenge,
it was Fortress Bricks Like it was like he was
going to say something really big and then died off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real stupid. But it's a basic mini final esque
sort of thing. It's endurance and then it's a puzzle.
So they're carrying bricks. For every two rounds of bricks carrying,
you carry one wooden pole. At the end, when you
have all the poles collected, you can put together this
puzzle and that's basically how this game goes.
Speaker 4: They did like this challenge.
Speaker 3: I did too. I like these mini finals. I mean
this compared to last week with the cars, this was
much more fun to watch, even though it was a
much more simple thing with no explosions. You have to
like see the competitors and they looked miserable and sweating
and shit like that's what I like. I like them
almost crying and fucking Jenny with her asthma attack that
we need this, we need this, we need this ship
on this show. It was great.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Jenny, did anyone else notice that her puzzle
wasn't actually complete?
Speaker 3: I didn't see that.
Speaker 4: So her green pieces, which was the outside two edges
the top green piece, the lines didn't line up perfectly
with the V, and as I was looking at it,
I realized that the one on the bottom didn't perfectly
line up with the lines on the V either, So
they were supposed to be off the sides, and I
don't think that. I think it's one of those things
that TJ blew the horn because he just thought it
was like slightly off kilter and didn't realize that they
were on the opposite sides. So technically, I don't think
Jenny was supposed to win this one.
Speaker 3: You saw that same thing.
Speaker 8: Zachi, Not in the moment, but yes, I've seen people
talk about it after the episode of posting pictures and yeah,
you can definitely see her top one in her bottom
one were switched.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the top one was a lot thinner like
it was a it was a much tighter angle than
the bottom with one which was farther out, and the
top green piece that she had fit that tighter angle.
Speaker 5: My bottom of green piece was the wider angle.
Speaker 8: It's hard to tell with editing, but to me it
seemed like Jenny was far en up ahead even if
they caught it. I think she could have fixed and
stole one, but we'll never know for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I just I saw that I
had to say something.
Speaker 3: Other interesting parts about this that I thought Kyland was
first of the puzzle and almost last to finish it. Hey,
hot take guys, Kylin fucking sucks at puzzles. Why is
nobody saying this? It's clear he's sucked at the last
like three or four. He's not good. Why are we
still saying he's good at puzzles?
Speaker 5: He seems to be good at numbers and not yea,
and I think there.
Speaker 3: I think he definitely seems smart, but again, smart is
not good at puzzles necessarily. He does not seem like
he's good at this thing. He's he's watched the last
several so yes, hot take, he sucks. He sucks at puzzles.
And uh. Torri was another one. What why did what
happened to Tori? She was getting really good at puzzles?
She fucking shipped the bed here hardcore?
Speaker 5: Yea, what happened great at puzzles? She's just been okay
then recently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed like she was just making strides and
improving at them, and she was just on a hot
streak and she was first to the puzzle this time,
and I was just pretty surprised that she couldn't fucking
do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and that public like as Jordan was running
up and said to me, this is not a hard
but it's like a Chicks ofwfuzz and you just have
to match up the lines the lines, like it really
did not seem like a hard puzzle to do. Like
you look at it and you see the lines in
the center, you see the one that has an X
on it, You go, okay, cool, so that must be
the center or at least I'm going to treat it
like the center. And then he just kind of build
off of that, like, okay, does anything fit.
Speaker 5: Off of these lines? Build it on the floor first
and then put.
Speaker 4: It up or I mean it just yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the puzzle is always seem easy when you're watching it.
But yeah, it's again Kyland, who has sold as a
as a puzzle guy. It's like, what the fuck Kyland? Yeah,
you know, Kylin and Tory were the first of their
genders there and they neither of them could do it,
and there's I don't know just kind of weird, sort
of weird, and yeah, even Bananas who Banana sucked this challenge,
but he came in. He didn't lose it.
Speaker 8: At least he got second place. But I will say
this pains me to say. This was the first time
I was watching Bananas do this challenge, running up and down,
and I thought, man, he kind of looks old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he fucking did.
Speaker 7: It made me very sad to.
Speaker 3: See that, which parts specifically just just.
Speaker 8: Like watching the way he's running and just his speed
compared to the other three men, and I'm just like, oh,
like you, I just feel like, you know, ages catching
up to him, and you know, there's these competitors. They're
just younger, stronger, faster than Like, he's not in the prime.
Speaker 7: He used to be.
Speaker 3: Oh, Zach, I'm gonna telling me you said that next
time I run into him in an airport. Wendy's Oh yeah, Carlyn,
there you go, I'll.
Speaker 8: Tell about I mean, it makes me sad, but you know,
like age catches up with all of us, you know, eventually.
Speaker 2: But I imagine that Carlin would see Johnny Bananas and she'd
be like, oh my god, Johnny be like, what up, sister,
and then she would be like, you're a dick, could
you give can you give me CT's phone number? Now
that it's simple, Johnny would be like, oh.
Speaker 6: We gotta talk about CT in theah and the really I.
Speaker 4: Would be the oh my god, I know someone else
who ran into you and Airport Wendy's and he never
stops talking about it.
Speaker 3: I don't mention that often. I don't know what you're
talking about. Did I tell that, sir? I know it's
very rare. Also being proud of proud of Michelle this challenge. Wait, sorry,
was that that said?
Speaker 8: One time, I'm my giant bananas, I got to be
on the banana cam.
Speaker 3: That's right, the.
Speaker 6: For that.
Speaker 2: Dick, yikes.
Speaker 3: Real proud of Michelle this challenge. It's been. I don't
know if I can remember a time where we've seen
Michelle like thrive in a challenge other than the first
one where she mentions but I've forgotten that one was
so long ago. But she struggled this whole time. But
I'll be damned she didn't just keep going and keep
going and keep going until sure enough she passes Tory
at the very end and pulls it out. Michelle comes
in gets the last women's part, and yeah, Tory is
the loser for the women, Derek loser for the men.
The end.
Speaker 8: I I think Michelle, you know what you said, It's
great she pulled out at the end here. I have
a really hard time seeing Michelle get anything besides fourth
place with this finale.
Speaker 3: Sam, Yeah, yeah, but she made it, dude, you know,
like she made it. I think there's something to be
said for that.
Speaker 4: There's something said for it. But the three women that
she is now up against, there, there's no way she's
to get high with full. No way.
Speaker 3: I don't think so either.
Speaker 4: This is the finals are always something like you're running
for an instant period of time.
Speaker 3: I think it's more strength and endurance for her. I
think she could run a lot further. She'd have to
carry those carry the heavy shit. It's the I think
for her it was the strength part.
Speaker 4: Here, Patty brings up, if it's women heavy, Michelle could
do okay there, that is that is true. Michelle said
that she could feed anybody in a swim. If that's true,
then she may have a fighting chance.
Speaker 5: So we'll see.
Speaker 3: All right, So Jenny wins on the women's side, so
she's out of the running. So Torri loses, she's going
straight in and Jordan wins, so he has to choose
who battles her, and the choices are Rachel or Carberya.
So that's kind of where we're at. And with that
we are onto nomination. Don't say my name, bitch.
Speaker 2: I swear to God this god there it goes goddamn one.
Speaker 3: That is, don't say my name. So that's this new
nomination table because they're in the Philippines instead of in
wherever they were before Vietnam, a smaller table. And TJ's
here right. Weird to see TJ at the He has
no place here. What's he doing there? He says, nothing
important or valuable at all, he says. He just says like, Hey,
I'm gonna come back in a minute and I need
your answer now, bye, and then he leaves again.
Speaker 2: Because usually they they tell the answer at the actual elimination. Yeah,
so they're making them do it like as soon as
this nomination ceremonies over.
Speaker 3: And that was that was the whole role TJ played here.
Speaker 2: But that is important. It completely changes how quick Jordan
has to come up with a with who he's throwing in.
Speaker 3: Sure, but they could have done that with a note
or something on the table.
Speaker 2: Whatever, continue whatever.
Speaker 3: Indeed, Uh, all right, more of this this hippie dippy
bullshit stuff for Jordan and Carr, Like we're such great
friends now, isn't that great? We have mended our friendship
on this season? Does anybody care about friendships on this season?
I don't nobody, does Okay.
Speaker 8: Care about the friendship itself? I am interested to see
the next time Cars on the season. Is she part
of the Cool Kids Club now? Or did they just
kind of go back to status quo?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess we're gonna have to see. You think, Cars,
you think Carr is just a temporary member of the
Cool Kids Club?
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 8: I think I think she'll be invited in in the
future seasons. I think it's only I have time before
she says or does something where suddenly we see her
crying alone again, like why does no one like me?
Speaker 3: Yeah? All right, So really they just sort of plead
their case. I don't know nothing. Really, they didn't say
anything that was all that shocking or surprising. But TJ
comes back and just says, all right, who's it going
to be? And it's obviously Kara and Kara immediately says, hey,
we'll teach, We're gonna give you a show, and turns
out no, no, they're not, because this is not a
possible animation that you can give a show like that too.
All right after that, it's just me and you, Zach.
Everybody else ran away.
Speaker 7: They did.
Speaker 8: I will say I want to because it's topped in
my head. And this is from listening to way too
many Bananas podcasts, because Bananas, you know, is a big
supporter of Josh, and he's been saying all season, you know,
Josh plays the exact same game as Jordan, but Josh
gets crabbed for Jordan doesn't. When you think if Josh
was standing there this episode, that they would have been
so cool of him just being like, yah, I'm gonna
take Rachel the end.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: I think that Jordan is much smarter than Josh, and
Jordan's real ability is that he wins when he has
to and plays it cool when he doesn't have to.
And I see what you're saying that he Jordan also
probably over promises, but for the most part he delivers
on them promises. I think I don't think at.
Speaker 4: All Josh over promises because Josh can't win shit. Jordan
promises things, but he doesn't. He doesn't over promise to
a bunch of different people the sounds of things. He
never actually promised anything to Klara, they just became friends.
He did actually promise something to Rachel and so they
Whereas Josh goes around and seems to promise things to
everyone like you're a good player, you're good player, you're
gonna say, I'm gonna promise it to all of you.
But I can't win anything, so I can never back
that from up the top, so I don't. I don't
think that's a fair comparison at all. If Josh could
win anything, then it might be, but just can't win ship.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we saw when he did actually have power a
couple of times this year, and the whole Tory Michello
lines was in a z ear to be like, you
have to do this, you have to do this, this
is your only choice, whereas Jordan WANs and I can't
do whatever you want to and we don't care, like
we're not gonna tye pressure you.
Speaker 2: Those are good points you made, Carlin. I don't know
if they're gonna be recorded, because it's said you're recording
a stop from coming.
Speaker 4: My my you on my phone, and it knocked me
off of my iPad.
Speaker 3: All right, no more, No, we're talking to Carlin.
Speaker 4: I mean it still on my side.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: They want a josh oppression, So Carlic stop taking phoecals
on your iPad.
Speaker 5: I ignored the whole call, but it's still it threw
me over there.
Speaker 6: I'm sorrright.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I don't like to get emotional. I
don't like to get emotional.
Speaker 3: Speaking of emotions, we see bananas, Rachel, and I put
bananas here again? What did I mean to put?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Jenny?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: They're celebrating and putting the mashing their feet together and
ship what is this? What is this?
Speaker 2: They're fucking gross and they're weirdos.
Speaker 3: All right, Carlyn, if you wouldn't share an AirPod pro
with me, would you mash your feet together with.
Speaker 4: Me through the entire delivery and all of this?
Speaker 5: All this was bullshit.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to see any of them, and I'm
so over I'm so.
Speaker 3: More likely to more likely to share it, more likely
to share an air pod or or mashed feet neither.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to do either of those things,
brom sound gross?
Speaker 3: What about you, Wolfie? What about you?
Speaker 2: I'm sharing an air pod before I mash feet cases.
Wolf you don't like feet content? No content does nothing
for me. I've started hating Quentin Tarantino movies because he
puts so much foot fetish bullshit.
Speaker 3: In Yeah it's weird. Want I think Bananas is on
part of that part of that crew, you know.
Speaker 8: I mean, Banana is openly said on his podcast he
is a man that loves feet.
Speaker 3: I wish I was that guy. I wish I was
that guy.
Speaker 8: I would feet, Donnie, especially with Eve and Rachel Jenny.
Speaker 3: Would you do that weird thing that Laurel did with
Bear where they put their toes like intertwined.
Speaker 4: So uncomfortable?
Speaker 5: I would.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't do it, not because I think it's grossest
because it looks like it'd be extremely like uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: You have to have the same sized feet, like almost
exactly the same sized feet, you know, yeah, which maybe
they did.
Speaker 2: I like boobs in a vagina. Why am I such
a weirdo? Nobody is?
Speaker 4: God, don't even think it'd be comfortable if it was
the same size feet. I just I don't feel like
it would be comfortable at all, because at least, like
when you're giving a pedicure, the things that they sticking
between your toes.
Speaker 5: Are foam, so they squish. He gets bush bones like
somebody else's. Yeah no, it was just gross. It was
gross and weird and uncomfortable, and I did not like it.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm moving on.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: Uh another party, guys, I'm sick of these challenges, throwing
parties for each other. Now I'm over this. Now this
used to be nice and now it's I'm fucking over it.
Speaker 2: Some doesn't like supportive people.
Speaker 3: I'm over it. I'm over it. It's too much. It's
a whole episode of.
Speaker 4: Positive It's not something that she gets very often. Like
she doesn't get the like we all really liked you,
we all like the camaraderietected. I don't know, because it
was for her.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it. It was obviously very touching for her.
Speaker 8: I like, I like birthday parties when they get dressed
up and themed outfits and wigs and they're being crazy,
not when they're just like, here's some flowers and food
on your bed and.
Speaker 7: Like, let's just talk.
Speaker 4: It's true. I do prefer the big giant themed parties
and what but I mean, we only have nine people
and half the half.
Speaker 2: The team doesn't, says the guy that has cuddle piles
at fucking more minorities puddle puddles.
Speaker 4: It's such a gross it's such a gross turb.
Speaker 2: Do you do you think correcting me made it sound better?
Speaker 4: Such a gross turb?
Speaker 7: Did I ever tell you guys? Did I ever show
you guys? I have a shirt that says that I
missed my cuddle puddle.
Speaker 2: Oh god, damn it.
Speaker 3: Come on, Carra, she's done.
Speaker 2: It's okay, puppy.
Speaker 3: I was just joking, all right, as an that's an
this party. They are now getting dressed to get to
do this elimination thing. We see the slow motion ship
with them putting on their shirts and stuff kind of
into this. Uh, but they get on a boat. They
get on a fucking boat, and so we're like, what's
going on? It turns out there on the Sinister, which
is a big rusty boat. I don't know, real stupid
TJ calls us the final elimination. It's called tread Water,
which again, stupid name. I guess how this game's played.
Anybody want to guess. Yes, you tread water. That's everybody,
you all got it. You tread water for as long
as you can. And that's how this game is played.
So you take two of the best challenges of all time,
car Maria and Tory, and you put them together and
you make them literally doggy dot, What the fuck are
you guys doing?
Speaker 4: This was so stupid?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: What the fuck are we doing?
Speaker 2: Hold on, I want to push back a little bit. Okay,
do you say this is a good endurance challenge? The
problem is it is boring as this fuck.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that's the challenge is getting real. They need
to understand this is a TV show and we have
to be interested in watching it, and yes, there's nothing
interesting about watching women in dark water tread like what's
what are we doing?
Speaker 6: It was? It was really boring to frustrating.
Speaker 2: If you really wanted to do something, you put up
to uh, two pedestals, you haven't fucking jousted over the
We've seen them.
Speaker 4: We've seen them do episodes where one of the challenges
was slapping each other with dead fish, Like, at least
do that. I mean, do something where it requires a
little bit more athleticism a little bit more, and I
get the endurance part of it, but like, yeah, Tim,
to your point, it's two of the best challenges that
we've got, like two of the best women that we've
seen in a really long time, and they just next
week other like, yeah, this is the.
Speaker 3: Time to prove something, right. There were times this is
had to prove something like the remember that like Naya
versus Car when they like drug on the cables, they
were like digging in sand for hours and shit that
was it. But you could you got close ups of
their faces and they're drenched in sweat and you can
see the holes they're digging, and it was much more
intense than like, oh they're they're fucking floating.
Speaker 4: Still, Yeah, I had multiple this is one. It told
them to tread water, not to float, and when they
both when Tori just like laid on her back and
started floating, I'm like, that's that's not dreading water, that's
just floating. That's that Those are two very different things.
Speaker 5: This would have.
Speaker 4: Gone much faster if they actually had to spread water
the entire time, and the eliminations in the last like
three or four seasons have felt very neutered. Like they
had taken all of the they like head to headship
out of it because I don't know if they're worried
that someone's gonna get hurt or if someone did get
hurt and they they got suit.
Speaker 5: I don't understand what happened, but all of the eliminations
have felt so neutered. Even the head to head ones
felt super newtered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Cholesting chowsting over water. Yeah, it's like the most simplest elimination,
but it would have been so much more interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, and legit, they just need to watch Survivor and
steal all those game ideas because Survivor are like they're
relatively even on Survivor because you get sixty year olds
having to play with twenty five year olds, but they're
like engaging and you never know who's gonna win and
it looks hard and I don't know, they.
Speaker 4: Just like they're relatively even the world to play with
twenty five year olds because are not too even things.
Speaker 6: If you watch the show, you get it.
Speaker 3: If you watch the.
Speaker 4: Show, you understand the competitions.
Speaker 2: They find a way to make the competitions even across
the board. For everybody. And by the way, nobody told
me who wants Survivor. I was watching it literally before
I had to come in here, and they're up to
the point where the jury is getting ready.
Speaker 6: Don't even get there, don't even I have not watched
even this second of it.
Speaker 2: So okay, okay, that shut up.
Speaker 6: That shut up.
Speaker 7: I was so close in the pre shed, but I didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will say to get Survivor, not this season.
Speaker 8: But I actually didn't mind this elimination. And it's for
the reason of Survivor, because if you go back to
the old seasons like one through twenty, the final challenge
was always just here en durance, who can out last
the other standing like on a pole for like ten
hours straight. So when I saw this, I was like, oh,
this was like an og Survivor final challenge.
Speaker 4: I kind of like.
Speaker 7: This, But I do agree with Carl and I didn't
like that they could flow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I someone in the chairm someone in the
chair room said, Jacqueline said, I thought they were going
to tell them that they couldn't float. And I felt
the exact same way. The moment that Tory started floating,
I was like that that's not tru water. Why isn't
anybody calling her on that like that she would be
allowed to do that, Like we're gonna be out of
the entire night if they left them just bloked.
Speaker 3: Yep. But at two hours in they said, no more
using your hands. You gotta put your hands above water.
And I really thought, at this point, this is five
minutes away to be done. I don't think. I didn't
think they'd be able to do that in neither of them,
but they both managed to do that for like fucking
half hour?
Speaker 4: Was it a half an hour?
Speaker 3: Pretty crazy? And then they had to go. I think
it was at two and a half hours it was elbows.
I thought it was, and that was.
Speaker 5: Kind of and then with elbows out of the water,
it was almost like thirty seconds. I didn't realize it
was not much longer.
Speaker 3: I think hand I think they did hands out for
like a half hour, which is super impressive to me,
both of them, and both of them is super impressive.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if those were like improv stages the producers
were like, Okay, we got to do something.
Speaker 6: I think they just got sick of it.
Speaker 2: And then like half an hour later, like all right,
elbows come on.
Speaker 4: Elimination before or like many many years ago, but it
was earlier on and the season was a right For
the final where they made them put their hands out
and then actually need they put their hands up. Within
like three minutes, somebody went under.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems really hard to do that with your
hands up. But the end of the day, Tory, Tory
wins it. Car was struggling pretty much the whole time.
I mean, it seemed like Tory was having an easier
time the whole time, so that the fact that Kara
hung on there for two and a half.
Speaker 6: Hours was really good for Kara. But that's it for
she's done.
Speaker 3: The end.
Speaker 4: Mark was bummed that she she didn't go.
Speaker 2: I was bummed too. She had a good season though,
I was really happy. I feel she had a good,
sort of redemptive season. Joker is not a big fan.
He's been posting anti Car properties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love Car Girl, and I agree with you.
I feel like this season was definitely a bit of
a redemption season. Trum for last season she had with Pauline,
that's just insufferable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, Well that's it for the episode pretty much.
TJ tells them that the final starts the next morning,
and that's it. They're sleeping on the sinister the end.
But we do later see TJ present to Kara and say, hey,
there's this thing called the Karma Vote, and this is
the Kara that I am desperately in love with. As
she's talking to TJ, and she's smiling, and she's like
happy and stuff. When she smiles and her little eyes
turn into like those little upside downs or you know,
like semicircles, it's the best version of KR. And she
was doing that in this little part with the Karma Vote, and.
Speaker 2: And that kind of sums it up. I do like
her voting where she is like, Rachel, I don't know
what kind of sneaky shit you've been doing the season,
but a work girl. She gave her like a five, and.
Speaker 4: I appreciated that.
Speaker 3: Yep, I can't wait to say this Karma Vote plays
in and what the final numbers are I is gonna get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't interesting to hear that she hasn't talked
about Polly the last two and a half months. It
makes me think that the the previous challengers have been
told you are not allowed to contact even if you
were in a relationship with you're not allowed to contact
current challenges because they don't want me to attentionally split it.
Speaker 2: Really yep, Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's it. That's the episode. So what do
you think as we think it's a two episode finale?
Is that what we're what we're putting money on here?
Speaker 2: What was this number of episode? Was this?
Speaker 3: This was seventeen?
Speaker 2: I think it's only got eighteen listed on the.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's at least a reunion. Do you think it's
one episode and then a reunion?
Speaker 4: I feel like it would be two and then one reunion,
one finale. I mean that would put it. So the
next episode is on the eighth, and then next episodes
on the eighth, and All Story starts on the twenty ninth,
So it's either going to be a one episode finale
and two episodes for reunion or two episode finale and
one episode for reunion because we only have three weeks
to do.
Speaker 2: Then they're nineteen episodes.
Speaker 4: So eighth and the fifteen more finale and then twenty
seconds that the reunions, and then twenty ninth would be
and then All.
Speaker 3: Stars starts the twenty nine Jesus starts. Also, here we
go guys, here we go three months.
Speaker 4: There were yes, two episodes. Finale, renpecks about episodes into one.
Speaker 3: Let's see how it goes. That's what I There's not
much to talk about. It's just sort of like, Hey,
they ran and then they did the puzzle and then they
ran some more and then finales are stupid to cover.
Speaker 6: Uh that's the episode.
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Speaker 2: Do we have any interview, so.
Speaker 3: I don't know, No, I don't think.
Speaker 2: So, uh Zach, you got social media bullshit.
Speaker 7: We have a couple things.
Speaker 8: Obviously, a lot of talk about the cast of UH
Alstars five came out this week. My News of Variety
released their list of the thirty most powerful women in
UH Reality television, and both Trichelle and Rachel made the list.
Speaker 7: So congrats to them.
Speaker 4: Rachel Rachel for this season and because she was issues
on Traders and she she want Traders.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Trichelle makes sense, She's been in makes a lot, She's
been in so many reality things. Rachel seems like a
weird one.
Speaker 4: This year, not of all time, but for this year.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And then sometimes fun. I just saw a couple
of minutes ago.
Speaker 8: We were talking earlier about is car go to be
part of the cool Kids group going forward? And uh,
I saw she just posted a photo of her, Devin, Michelle,
and Tori all hanging out. And Michelle's got a challenge
shirt on with therefore pictures together on her shirt.
Speaker 3: So good, good, good for you, kr uh Zach. Do
you have notes on CT's meltdown crisis ongoing?
Speaker 5: I have stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So then they had his whole melt on
a few weeks ago, saying that she was asking the
other men saying wanted to marror whatever love sort of thing. Well,
then it came out that in the last week or so,
it sounds like it came out that she may have
actually been married for the last two years to someone
that she met through only fans. There's also CT yet
again went through and did the post of a bunch
of screenshots of for UH messages and that all said
marriage in it. And yeah, so that's I think that's
the latest. It sounds like they're no longer together. They
both scrubbed each other from each other's instagrams. Tim, do
you have anything else?
Speaker 2: She was married to a professional?
Speaker 4: This wasn't This wasn't the rest was someone after the wrestler,
but prior to CT, just some random dude.
Speaker 2: Well, there's still there's still listed as married, so I
don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kay is saying what I thought. I thought that
she married CT because the marriage license that CT was
posting was between those two that looked like they got
married in October. And I don't know if they still
are married, but it sure seemed like they that they
did and uh, And then he posted a story where
he was ranting and raven for a few minutes, and
he sounded like.
Speaker 4: No, I missed that part where that came out. It
came out that she was married to someone else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they got married in like October
or something like that. Yeah, so weird. Yeah, he's melting down.
Speaker 5: Totals the fantasy League.
Speaker 3: Yes, we'll be so excited.
Speaker 4: I don't really care.
Speaker 6: I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 4: I don't really care about the our league anymore.
Speaker 5: It's just the public one that matters, because our league.
Speaker 4: We all know that.
Speaker 3: Zach you Zach you, Yeah, you destroyed us too, thoroughly, Zach.
Speaker 7: It's just not even though I'm over.
Speaker 4: The Okay, so public league, c t Phone Home is
in first, I'm in second, and I touched Johnny's banana
is in third, but me and third are only five
points apart from each other. And then drum roll, nobody cares.
Who's place is Sweet Tea fifth place?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I just want to saybody, dream
really do come true. If you just set your eyes
to a goal and you stay focused on it, you
can accomplish your dreams. Everybody, use me as use me
as inspiration, and the Fantasy.
Speaker 4: Za and it doesn't matter where Wolfing's going down here somewhere,
we'll VI's the thirty third.
Speaker 3: Well you can come, you can come back.
Speaker 4: We'll be sweet tea. How many you can available?
Speaker 6: I only have four left, so I'm about done.
Speaker 4: I have six left because I only picked two this
last episode, and because I was basically I picked to
this last episode, and I'm gonna pick two the next episode,
and then four for the finale, four for the final episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just I'm just gonna shoot my load next episode.
Give me my whole points. I hope I can. I
hope I stay in fifth points if you pick I
don't think it matters. I think, but what if I
but what if I lose a person?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: What if I only pick two and then the other
two people go home and then I'm out. I don't know, Carlyn,
I'm fifth the way you want to. I'm fucking rocking
this game. I'm fucking rocking this You should.
Speaker 4: You should save it because, like you said previously, the
the first episode of the finale is kind of just knit.
It's just a bunch of them running to places, and yeah,
we're gonna lose two people. But I would I would
hold all the cards into the final episode.
Speaker 2: That's you.
Speaker 4: How many how many picks you used to have available?
Speaker 7: I believe I have two picks left, zachs done.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had six going into this episode, and I
was gonna.
Speaker 7: Do like three and three split them up.
Speaker 8: But then I was like, I'll just go all in
for this week and then I'll hope the last two
I have are the people that win, and I'll just
save it for that.
Speaker 3: Oh you're saving You're saving your two for the finale,
So if they go home next episode, you're you're really
be done either way.
Speaker 4: If he used his picks next episode, then he would
be able to pick anybody for the final. But if
his picks go home next episode, then he won't have
any for the final.
Speaker 3: Right then he then he gets no point, Then he
gets Yeah, he gets no points as opposed to a
small amount of points.
Speaker 7: But I have I have Rachel left. They're not gonna
go home next.
Speaker 4: I would be very very surprising.
Speaker 3: I have a Michelle. So you're saying I should I
should play Michelle because.
Speaker 4: She next episode and save the other three.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 3: Well, let I got I got some time. Let the
sink in. See what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I very purposely picked. So this is this is
why I tried to take it down to three.
Speaker 3: Oh you guys know we can't do that.
Speaker 4: It makes it easier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did the right way. We made the right decision.
I stand by it, to stand by that decision.
Speaker 4: See what it is.
Speaker 3: You were trying to help your You were trying to
help your.
Speaker 4: Trying to help myself and everybody else.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 4: Whatever it happens, I like it.
Speaker 3: That's way. It's more fair. All right, movie wrapper up?
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Speaker 7: Yeah uh.
Speaker 2: For this episode of.
Speaker 4: Challenge has been zacubin zac jumping ahead in the queue.
What the ship and is?
Speaker 2: As uh, Tory said, Oh my god, it's a snake.
Speaker 8: The Schalie at.
Speaker 6: Shalie aunt Charlie Charlie
Speaker 4: M hm.