Speaker 1: Kf I AM sixty. You're listening to Later with Moe
Speaker 1: Kelly on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: It's Later with Moe Kelly on kf I AM six
Speaker 2: forty live everywhere on your iHeart app. I'm Mark Ronner
Speaker 2: in for mo He and Tuala have a couple of
Speaker 2: nights off, and I'll be sitting in same show, same vibe,
Speaker 2: same crew, same chair all although I hope it's Scotch guarded,
Speaker 2: might as well keep it consistent. I'm usually chiming in
Speaker 2: from the safety of the news booth, but I could
Speaker 2: get used to this. I thought for a second I
Speaker 2: was gonna have to run back and forth all night,
Speaker 2: but somebody will be filling in for me. We're gonna
Speaker 2: have fun tonight. It's Friday night, no need to get
Speaker 2: too heavy. We're gonna do name that cult movie classic,
Speaker 2: just like normal. We have a special theme tonight. We've
Speaker 2: got a special surprise guest at eight pm and a
Speaker 2: Runner report after that with a rundown on some stuff
Speaker 2: to watch and plenty of juvenile borderline inappropriate back and
Speaker 2: forth with the crew with me tonight is my pal
Speaker 2: Tiffany Hobbs, who you know from the viral loads, segments
Speaker 2: and from some time in the host chair herself. There's
Speaker 2: no one I'd be happy to have with me tonight,
Speaker 2: especially in case I have a stroke or about of incontinence.
Speaker 2: We got this right, We have this. Thank you for
Speaker 2: being here with me, Tiffany having me. There is no
Speaker 2: one I'd rather be with. I'll tell you this. I'm
Speaker 2: you've probably picked up on this because the clues aren't
Speaker 2: exactly subtle. I'm a fairly guarded person and you just
Speaker 2: charged right through my barriers right when we met. I'm like, no, please,
Speaker 2: do not approach, and you just you announced right away
Speaker 2: when we met. Sorry, I'm a hugger and that was
Speaker 2: kind of it. We can go into detail about my
Speaker 2: PTSD another time, but I'll just say I think you
Speaker 2: should be a therapist.
Speaker 3: I you know, I've heard that before, and if anything,
Speaker 3: I would definitely love to practice on you.
Speaker 4: Mark.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not so sure about that. Maybe we should
Speaker 2: just leave it right there. In the fancy control room,
Speaker 2: we have Foosh working the board. Phosh, we got this tonight.
Speaker 2: We absolutely do. You got my back in case I
Speaker 2: just start crying abruptly decompensating. Absolutely, yeah, okay, and we
Speaker 2: got some stuff for you to play, and I'm relying
Speaker 2: on your supernatural sense of timing. I need you all
Speaker 2: to know that I am not ordering food for everyone tonight.
Speaker 2: Does that change anything for anyone to hear? Are you
Speaker 2: going to be You're gonna be stingy with the rim
Speaker 2: shots now, fosh filling us? Okay, all right, I see
Speaker 2: what we're in for. Filling us in the news booth,
Speaker 2: Andrew Caravella. I hope you know, Andrew, the news anchor
Speaker 2: plays it completely straight and sticks strictly to the news
Speaker 2: like a vulcan for the entire three hours.
Speaker 4: You can do that, right, You're not mo Okay? All right?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 2: Will you have a trainee in there with you tonight
Speaker 2: eventually when their uber arrives.
Speaker 4: Yes, I see.
Speaker 2: I was helping trainer and I noticed a pretty quick
Speaker 2: learning curve and I told her, you're going to have
Speaker 2: my job pretty soon, and I just didn't think it
Speaker 2: was going to be this soon. So nice to be
Speaker 2: expendable story. I'm going to tell you lots of fun
Speaker 2: stuff tonight, including that special guest. But before we get
Speaker 2: to that big thanks to Robin our authority figure of course,
Speaker 2: Chris Little.
Speaker 4: When Robin called me.
Speaker 2: She asked if I'd be interested in hosting some shows,
Speaker 2: and I said, I thought you'd never ask And she said, well,
Speaker 2: why didn't you ask me?
Speaker 4: And what I should have said.
Speaker 2: Was because I was too focused on working hard to
Speaker 2: be the best news anchor I could possibly be for
Speaker 2: you and Chris Little at KFI. What I actually said
Speaker 2: was something like, uh, I don't know, without making things
Speaker 2: too cheesy right off the bat, thanks to Mow and
Speaker 2: to Walla. Really too great and generous friends. Anybody be
Speaker 2: lucky to have, not like your radio Hey, you're great,
Speaker 2: buddy type of friends, but the kind who act like
Speaker 2: friends when they don't have to.
Speaker 4: No, he's watching or listening.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not hearing this, And I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: it to their faces, because that is not our love language.
Speaker 2: Busting on each other is our love language, and that
Speaker 2: has actually showed up in some promos. Fush can you
Speaker 2: play the first one? Whoshi are you alive? Will you
Speaker 2: play the first promo? You've always wanted your face on
Speaker 2: a Wheati's box, haven't you? Nope, because you've made references
Speaker 2: to wanting buildings named after you.
Speaker 4: It's a big difference.
Speaker 2: Wheedye's boxes even a step down from that, Wheaty's boxes
Speaker 2: reserved for athletes.
Speaker 5: Moe Kelly name on the building Reserve for Legends Live
Speaker 5: seven to ten pm on KFI and on demand anytime
Speaker 5: on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: So, of course I enjoy making fun of Moe's ego.
Speaker 2: Anybody who has mentioned, even in passing, wanting a building
Speaker 2: named after them, that's fair game. But that's not all
Speaker 2: there is. Fush, she got one more in there. Let's
Speaker 2: hear that.
Speaker 6: My doctor put them on the scale and I was
Speaker 6: at one ninety one and considered obese.
Speaker 4: You're looking at me, am I obese?
Speaker 7: Not at all, not at all. You look great.
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm one eighty one right now.
Speaker 6: Because I always want to have a reference point as
Speaker 6: to where I was, But I don't obsess. I usually
Speaker 6: weigh myself once a month something like that.
Speaker 3: Not getting on the scale, if you have one, takes
Speaker 3: a lot of discipline.
Speaker 6: Oh it's a lot, because I know it could ruin
Speaker 6: my day. Now, I don't feel so bad about getting
Speaker 6: on the scale last week. Feel a little better about myself.
Speaker 6: I gotta say, I think you're looking a little pear shaped. Oh, boy,
Speaker 6: the FCC is saving you right about it. So that's
Speaker 6: our love language.
Speaker 4: It's what we do.
Speaker 2: It's how men express affection for other men, apart from
Speaker 2: putting our hands on each other's thighs. Also, Mo and
Speaker 2: Tuala a couple of world class fellow nerds, even if
Speaker 2: Tuala doesn't like the original Star Trek, and even if
Speaker 2: Moe is unable to appreciate the beauty and profundity of
Speaker 2: the old David Carrety in Kung Fu series. When you
Speaker 2: love people, you accept their flaws and you mock them
Speaker 2: relentlessly constantly. I say, we're off and running, Tiffany, how
Speaker 2: are you feeling, Mark?
Speaker 7: I love you flaws in Pau.
Speaker 2: Well, don't make me cry. Then my goal is you
Speaker 2: get through the whole three hours without crime. It's Friday night.
Speaker 2: Let's get this party started. Did I do this right?
Speaker 2: Have I?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're even getting the timing all correct. Well, now
Speaker 2: to the KFI Twitter. No, let's tease the next segment first. Sure,
Speaker 2: we're still getting used to this when we come back.
Speaker 2: Have you been groped in the produce department? Anyone can
Speaker 2: give your melons a non consensual squeeze? Well, stay tuned.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
Speaker 5: KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2: On to our next story, has this person grabbed your
Speaker 2: honey ham while shopping at the South in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: location of Ralph's on sell Vermont Avenue. Apparently a woman
Speaker 2: was browsing the spice Atisle Sunday morning on August twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: when a stranger allegedly grabbed and squeezed her buttocks before
Speaker 2: quickly walking away. And I didn't realize that this was
Speaker 2: an issue, but we have some audio from the woman.
Speaker 4: Let's play that please.
Speaker 7: I felt violated.
Speaker 8: I couldn't believe this was happening to me.
Speaker 9: While shopping at Ralph's at twenty six hundred Seals Vermont
Speaker 9: Avenue in Los Angeles, this young woman was rousing the
Speaker 9: spice atile on Sunday morning it when a stranger suddenly
Speaker 9: grabbed and squeezed her buttocks before quickly walking away.
Speaker 7: I was mad. I was very angry. Angry would be
Speaker 7: the word to best describe it.
Speaker 9: She let Ralph's employees know she had been touched inappropriately.
Speaker 9: Security told her the man was still in the store,
Speaker 9: so she waited by the exit to confront him.
Speaker 8: It happened so fast that I just remember just straight
Speaker 8: punching him in the eye.
Speaker 7: He never said a word. He never said a word
Speaker 7: to me.
Speaker 9: The grouper got into a car with another man and
Speaker 9: left before police arrived. Turns out this woman wasn't the
Speaker 9: only victim.
Speaker 8: There was an elderly woman that was crying, saying that
Speaker 8: he had hit her on her chest.
Speaker 9: This is the photograph taken of the man as he
Speaker 9: walked away.
Speaker 8: I am very hopeful that someone idez this victim.
Speaker 7: The jacket he was wearing is very very unique.
Speaker 8: His hairstyle, his glasses.
Speaker 9: She also hopes to encourage women to stand up for themselves.
Speaker 8: To educate women that we don't have to be silent
Speaker 8: when we get sexually assaulted, because it happens far more
Speaker 8: too common than we think, or even far more than
Speaker 8: it gets reported.
Speaker 2: Now, Tiffany, has this ever ever happened to you in
Speaker 2: a grocery store? Because I go late at night, I'm
Speaker 2: a guy, and people stay away from me.
Speaker 4: I think people fear me.
Speaker 3: No, you know, I'm fortunate that this hasn't happened, and
Speaker 3: I can't say that there's any one reason that I'm
Speaker 3: exempt from this having hadn't having happened to me. But
Speaker 3: I do notice that there are people who might linger
Speaker 3: a little too longer, people who might make you uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: But fortunately no one has ever touched me. I've been
Speaker 3: I've had things said to me. I've had verbal assault
Speaker 3: by definition I imagine, or at least been made to feel inappropriate,
Speaker 3: But fortunately no one has touched me. And the really
Speaker 3: tricky thing too about this is the victim here says
Speaker 3: that she hopes that this suspect can be id'd by
Speaker 3: their jacket.
Speaker 7: The picture that was released of the suspect is.
Speaker 3: Just a back or a photo of his back of
Speaker 3: this unique jacket.
Speaker 7: There's no frontal image.
Speaker 3: There's no real specific description of this person. And it's like,
Speaker 3: of all of the time, when we have so many cameras, Mark,
Speaker 3: how can you not get a photo of this guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Grocery stores are like with surveillance. I mean, they
Speaker 2: can catch you if you put a piece a pack
Speaker 2: of gum in your pocket, but they cat catch somebody
Speaker 2: who gropes women. I mean, these are things that most
Speaker 2: men never have to deal with. However, I've had women
Speaker 2: in my life, including my mother, who have had all
Speaker 2: sorts of things like this happened to him. I can
Speaker 2: only imagine the horror of being violated like that period,
Speaker 2: but in a public space particularly, so I would never
Speaker 2: dream of making light of this kind of thing. But
Speaker 2: I'll sell you one thing that it makes me think
Speaker 2: of is that, good Lord, times have changed. Like when
Speaker 2: we were kids watching the Animal House movie and Otters
Speaker 2: walking around in the store and he sees the dean's
Speaker 2: hot wife and he holds up a cucumber and waves
Speaker 2: it suggestively at her. We don't do those things in
Speaker 2: real life, and times better not. Don't wave produce, don't
Speaker 2: wave an egg plant at people.
Speaker 3: Please do not suggest any sort of produce at any woman,
Speaker 3: or any person for that matter.
Speaker 2: But it just seems so extreme to me, to the
Speaker 2: point of being mentally ill, that you would even touch
Speaker 2: a person you don't know in public. And like I said,
Speaker 2: most men have never had to deal with that, or
Speaker 2: if they do, it's just you know, guys elbowing each
Speaker 2: other and stuff. And so women have to run this
Speaker 2: gauntlet of unwanted attention and behavior and violation that we
Speaker 2: just never have to deal with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is at USC. I've been to this
Speaker 3: Ralph's grocery store. It's on Vermont and Adams. It's a
Speaker 3: very densely populated area. Students use this grocery store religiously.
Speaker 7: It is constantly crowded.
Speaker 3: And so to know that this sort of act happened
Speaker 3: during a very likely populated time, More than these two
Speaker 3: people were likely touched or approached. It's just that this
Speaker 3: this woman spoke up about it. So this person hasn't
Speaker 3: been caught. Where else are they in the city? And
Speaker 3: then all, so, why grocery stores? There are so many questions, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there really are.
Speaker 2: The other thing that makes me think of is that
Speaker 2: all sorts of behavior that was programmed into us by
Speaker 2: movies and TV and other entertainment and real life, you
Speaker 2: can go to prison for it. Like the things in
Speaker 2: romantic comedies that you would have seen in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Most of that's stalking. Yeah, Okay, if John Cusack stands
Speaker 2: outside your front door holding up a boom box, you're
Speaker 2: gonna call the cops on him. It's not going to
Speaker 2: melt your heart and make you want.
Speaker 4: To get with him?
Speaker 7: Is it John Cusack of then or John Cusack now?
Speaker 4: Is there that significant difference?
Speaker 7: So there's a huge difference I'm in.
Speaker 2: I'm not prepared to make that choice, but I'll defer
Speaker 2: to you on this. But all sorts of things that
Speaker 2: we would see in these old movies, normal people don't.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 2: You don't go to sleep on someone's front porch because
Speaker 2: you're love sick for them. You check yourself into a facility,
Speaker 2: and you especially don't touch some without consent, somebody that
Speaker 2: you don't know in a grocery store. Now, I've been
Speaker 2: in grocery stores where I thought, Okay, I think I'm
Speaker 2: kind of getting cruised here by a female or a male.
Speaker 2: I have no interest in talking to this person, because
Speaker 2: that's not normal to pick up somebody in the grocery store.
Speaker 10: I'm just you know, you should see how far it goes.
Speaker 10: Andrew Caravella. Ladies and gentlemen, it'd be an interesting experiment.
Speaker 10: Has this happened to you, Andrew? No, I'm not that lucky.
Speaker 4: Hey, God, we've got him here.
Speaker 10: Let me. Most people avoid me in the grocery store
Speaker 10: because I'm the one. Like when people take showers and
Speaker 10: read the ingredients on the back of the shampoo bottle,
Speaker 10: that's me in the grocery store reading it out loud.
Speaker 10: And then talking to myself on Aisle five on what
Speaker 10: I need. I say what's in my mind out loud,
Speaker 10: so people think I have an imaginary friend next to me,
Speaker 10: so they just avoid me.
Speaker 2: That will act as a current Tiffany. On the rare
Speaker 2: occasion that you do get unwanted attention, how.
Speaker 4: Do you deal with it?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 7: You know, I'm polite. I've always been polite.
Speaker 3: I take compliments for what they are, and if something
Speaker 3: is beyond the pale or is obviously making me uncomfortable,
Speaker 3: then I'll say so. And I do it with again
Speaker 3: a directness, but a politeness. It's a teaching moment. I'm
Speaker 3: an educator. Everything is a teaching moment. To my chagrin sometimes,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't let things bother me as much.
Speaker 7: It's just not enough energy for me.
Speaker 4: Do you carry mace?
Speaker 3: I I'm gonna say publicly on the radio. I carry
Speaker 3: a lot of things. So try it if you like,
Speaker 3: to try it, if you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like more and more in the Year
Speaker 2: of our Lord in twenty twenty four, we must be
Speaker 2: prepared for violence in public in a way that we
Speaker 2: weren't before. And I don't know what the reason for that.
Speaker 7: Is, especially at the grocery store.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just tear like people's IDs have been unlocked.
Speaker 2: And so I go to the grocery store after I
Speaker 2: get off here at midnight every night, and it's a
Speaker 2: different Ralphs and it is just a Felliniesque cavilcade of characters.
Speaker 2: And so I think I mentioned to Moe a few
Speaker 2: nights ago. One time there were a couple of hookers
Speaker 2: in front of me, and Moe was trying to ask me, well,
Speaker 2: how did you know they were hookers? Well, short of
Speaker 2: holding a neon sign that said prostitute flashing, it was
Speaker 2: fairly obvious by the way they were addressed and how
Speaker 2: they behaved they were hookers. And they tried to shoplift
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff, and so there was a big
Speaker 2: thing with them.
Speaker 7: How where do you how do you shoplifts as a prostitute?
Speaker 7: You're wearing minimal clothing. I imagine, what are you?
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to know where they put
Speaker 2: the stuff. I just wanted to back away from the
Speaker 2: situation at that point. But you know, also, you know,
Speaker 2: it's right around one o'clock when I'm wrapping up there
Speaker 2: and there are people trying to get in and there's
Speaker 2: a guard at the door, and it turns into them
Speaker 2: taunting each other like they're on either side of a fence.
Speaker 7: Nothing good after midnight but the but.
Speaker 2: I've never been grabbed. Nobody's ever grabbed me in a
Speaker 2: grocery store.
Speaker 7: The night's still young.
Speaker 2: Well, one can hope. And I mean, as you get older,
Speaker 2: you're wondering why isn't anybody grabbing me? But I said
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna make fun of this. When we come back,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get just a hair more serious and heartfelt,
Speaker 2: with a nice letter that we got from a listener
Speaker 2: after Moe and I had an exchange, and that's coming up.
Speaker 5: You're listening too later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
Speaker 5: KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2: Mark Ronner in from MO. I'm usually in the news booth,
Speaker 2: but we swapped chairs. Joined by my pal Tiffany Hobbs tonight.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here, Tiffany. How are we doing so far?
Speaker 2: Are we doing okay?
Speaker 4: So far?
Speaker 3: We are doing really well. I was looking under the table.
Speaker 3: I don't see any leakage.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you. That always a good sign.
Speaker 2: So Mo and I often talk of the out of
Speaker 2: control homeless problem around LA and it wasn't much different
Speaker 2: in Seattle, where I worked before I came here about
Speaker 2: six years ago. And like any matter that has some
Speaker 2: complications and some nuances, it doesn't so much lend itself
Speaker 2: to SoundBite wisdom or easy solutions. We're not going to
Speaker 2: solve homelessness in seven minutes here. But where I always
Speaker 2: come down, and I believe MO as well, is that
Speaker 2: there's more to the issue than I don't want to
Speaker 2: look at them, get them out of here. We keep
Speaker 2: reading figures like sixty percent of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.
Speaker 2: We know losing a job, or having a medical problem,
Speaker 2: or just getting your rent raised can be catastrophic. We
Speaker 2: also read constantly about how many Americans don't have enough
Speaker 2: money on hand to deal with something like a four
Speaker 2: hundred dollars emergency expenditure. This can really sink a person
Speaker 2: in short order. So not only could it be any
Speaker 2: of us who just have a run of bad luck.
Speaker 2: I've had some scrapes. I mean, I've been a freelance
Speaker 2: writer in between full time media jobs, and there are
Speaker 2: times when being a freelancer can slow down to the
Speaker 2: point where it looks an awful lot blake being unemployed.
Speaker 4: But also, I'll.
Speaker 2: Tell you, as a journalist, I'm also hardwired to side
Speaker 2: with the underdog and never ever punch down. Sure, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of addicts and people with mental health health
Speaker 2: issues who are homeless, but that's not even close to
Speaker 2: being the whole problem. So after one of our discussions
Speaker 2: one night a couple weeks ago, I got this email
Speaker 2: from a KFI listener, and I'm going to read it
Speaker 2: to you, not going to read the person's name.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 2: The email says, I'm not sure if this is a
Speaker 2: valid email, but here I try. It's been weeks now
Speaker 2: and I've wanted to reach out and thank both you
Speaker 2: and MO for speaking truth and wisdom on being homeless,
Speaker 2: which is something I've been experiencing. And my main contributing
Speaker 2: factor is that companies in California do not want to
Speaker 2: hire anyone over forty. I'm fifty seven. It's been humiliating
Speaker 2: and devastating living in my vehicle after I used up
Speaker 2: all my savings in retirement just to survive, never really
Speaker 2: realizing or expecting to be so low in this. It
Speaker 2: literally made me cry because hearing you both speaking on
Speaker 2: the matter, you get it and it gives me a voice.
Speaker 2: All it takes is one bad incident, and without an income,
Speaker 2: no one can survive. We are not all mentally ill
Speaker 2: or addicts out here. I am a professional that lost
Speaker 2: my gripping when COVID hit. I want nothing more than
Speaker 2: to work, yet it does not come. I keep the
Speaker 2: faith and trust my heavenly Father that he knows what
Speaker 2: he is doing and his timing is perfect. Some days
Speaker 2: I stumble and lose it because I'm frustrated. Anyway, Thanks
Speaker 2: for reading this, but mostly thank you and Moe for
Speaker 2: speaking common sense into this for people to hear and understand.
Speaker 2: Came across like I finally have a voice. No one
Speaker 2: else get in the funding to help the homeless as
Speaker 2: a clue you and MO do it means more than
Speaker 2: you know what a nice letter. And I'm not going
Speaker 2: to read the person's name because I want to respect
Speaker 2: her privacy unless I get permission to talk more about her.
Speaker 4: And we may next week.
Speaker 2: The upshot of all this to me, though, Tiffany, is
Speaker 2: that when we're talking about homelessness and when we see
Speaker 2: stories about homeless camps getting swept, we've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of that lately, or r vs banned from streets. I
Speaker 2: think we can all afford just show a little kindness
Speaker 2: and some decency and humility as well as some intelligence,
Speaker 2: and not just get them out of my sight, because
Speaker 2: first and foremost, get him out of my sight isn't
Speaker 2: the plan.
Speaker 3: Right, And we were talking off air about this. One
Speaker 3: of the most sobering realizations I believe is that many people,
Speaker 3: especially Angelino's and people in southern California all around the country,
Speaker 3: really are a couple of paychecks, maybe two, maybe three
Speaker 3: away from this sort of abject disaster, from homelessness, from housing, insecurity.
Speaker 3: And when we look at these stories, often there's a disassociation.
Speaker 3: We look at it as them versus us problem, when
Speaker 3: in fact it is right there at the doorstep of
Speaker 3: many of us because of inflation, because of how high
Speaker 3: things are, the cost of living. We live in one
Speaker 3: of the most expensive places in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me think of that old Sam Kinnison
Speaker 2: routine where he first broke on the scene, and it
Speaker 2: was hilarious, but it was also I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: a thing that a real life adult would ever think.
Speaker 2: He's talking about the starving children in Africa and he
Speaker 2: starts screaming, send them luggage, Send them luggage, because why
Speaker 2: don't you go where the food is right? But that's
Speaker 2: kind of gallows humor comedy. In real life, that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: These are people and they have to exist somewhere. Stuff
Speaker 2: we don't like or find inconvenient doesn't just disappear the
Speaker 2: to the cornfield. In that Twilight Zone episode where the
Speaker 2: kid wills people away, I think the episode is called
Speaker 2: It's a Good Life.
Speaker 4: With Bill Moomey.
Speaker 2: You can't just will people away if they're inconvenient, you
Speaker 2: don't like them, you want to you don't want to
Speaker 2: look at them. And I keep on coming across signs
Speaker 2: of how things have changed financially for people, like how
Speaker 2: our parents or grandparents on one income they could buy
Speaker 2: a house, they could take the family on a vacation
Speaker 2: every year, they could send their kids to college. That
Speaker 2: does not exist anymore. That is a fantasy that none
Speaker 2: of us, well most of us don't have access to anymore.
Speaker 4: I mean, do you. I certainly don't.
Speaker 3: Oh got no, Oh got no. And I have more
Speaker 3: than one income, and that's a necessity.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: Radio is great. Radio is a supplement. But I have
Speaker 3: to have more than one income to be able to
Speaker 3: maintain my livelihood. And I'm lucky that I do have that,
Speaker 3: and I'm only supporting myself and it's extremely difficult.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not kidding.
Speaker 2: I mean I've got the lousiest career radar of anybody
Speaker 2: on the planet. I started off in newspapers, which are
Speaker 2: all well known for being lucrative and stable.
Speaker 4: Actually they're going extinct.
Speaker 2: So when I first started at newspapers, they have like
Speaker 2: their own cafeterias, and you could have assistance to do
Speaker 2: things for you.
Speaker 7: And is this madmen?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, but now they're all pamphlets and working
Speaker 2: with skeleton crews. I moved from that into comic books,
Speaker 2: and that's so dire that it doesn't even bear discussing.
Speaker 2: There's only being a professional and making a living in
Speaker 2: comic books as a writer. I think there was one
Speaker 2: stretch of a few months where I was writing two
Speaker 2: separate titles once and I was doing okay, but still
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have taken much from me to be dumpster diving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, I think a misnomer, a common misconception,
Speaker 3: and you touched on this, is that homelessness is due
Speaker 3: to some sort of extreme failure on the person's part.
Speaker 3: Of the individual's part, it doesn't take into account things
Speaker 3: that are out of their control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so radio. I've done most of my life
Speaker 2: off and on, and I started at KFI after I
Speaker 2: wrote Law and Order video games for NBC Universal, and
Speaker 2: abruptly that department was just disappeared. They decided, well, we're
Speaker 2: not going to be in the mobile game business any longer.
Speaker 2: And I did other writing. I wrote more comic books
Speaker 2: and did some more freelance stuff. But all those people,
Speaker 2: I didn't stay in touch with them. I have no
Speaker 2: idea where they all landed. Because it's hard for people
Speaker 2: to get a job normal circumstances. But then when you
Speaker 2: get to be forty and fifty, god forbid sixty, there
Speaker 2: is a lot of agism going on in employment. They
Speaker 2: want people who are young and will go that extra
Speaker 2: mile and essentially do work that they're not paid for.
Speaker 2: So you see this language in the ads, like we're
Speaker 2: looking for a superstar or real go getter, and you
Speaker 2: don't need to have the Enigma machine from World War
Speaker 2: Two to decode what that means, right.
Speaker 3: Right, And this directly correlates to the idea of underperformance
Speaker 3: being a reason for closures, when in fact it is
Speaker 3: in fact that corporate greed. We did have a bit
Speaker 3: of a discussion about this, and I know there are
Speaker 3: quite a few businesses that have been suffering from closures
Speaker 3: because of different reasons. When you really look at the
Speaker 3: origin of it all, it's to pad the top, it's
Speaker 3: to pat the top, and the people at the bottom
Speaker 3: are getting that short end of the stick, and those
Speaker 3: people then could suffer from these sorts of housing insecurities.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, we're not going to solve homelessness
Speaker 2: in one segment on the radio, but I really think
Speaker 2: we could stand to approach it a little bit more kindness, humility,
Speaker 2: you know. There but for the grace of God, I mean,
Speaker 2: we're all a couple steps away from it unless you
Speaker 2: are fortunate. When I hear people talk about homelessness, one
Speaker 2: thing that I almost never hear is the acknowledgment fortune
Speaker 2: plays in people's lives. All right, we're going to break
Speaker 2: it off there when we come back. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk about nudism. So you're not going to want to
Speaker 2: go anywhere.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
Speaker 5: KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2: Well, nudism has been in the news this week, and
Speaker 2: some very serious, fairly serious news to start off with,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to move on to the subject
Speaker 2: in general, because this is a little bit grim. Seventy
Speaker 2: three year old Stephanie and Daniel Menard, aged seventy nine,
Speaker 2: were reported missing Sunday by a friend after their unlocked
Speaker 2: car was discovered near their home in Redlands. A tip
Speaker 2: led investigators to a neighbor of the Minards at a
Speaker 2: nudist resort, and the neighbor was arrested after his home
Speaker 2: was torn down in a swat operation. A little grizzly here,
Speaker 2: so trigger warning. Authority said human remains were found in
Speaker 2: bags in a concrete bunker Friday under the home. This
Speaker 2: is awful, and we're not going to linger on this
Speaker 2: particular case except to note that it's been in the news. Thoughts,
Speaker 2: of course, with the families of these people also in
Speaker 2: the news earlier in the week. Something slightly sillier. I
Speaker 2: guess a guy wandering around naked terrorizing people in neighborhoods.
Speaker 4: I think it was in Englewood.
Speaker 2: I guess I should have looked it up before we
Speaker 2: went on the air, but he was reportedly how do
Speaker 2: I say this, Well, he was masturbating in people's yards,
Speaker 2: and good for him for finding the focus. I don't
Speaker 2: think I could be successful doing that. But apart from
Speaker 2: that fairly offensive. You know you don't want that in
Speaker 2: your yard. So I want to shift from the tragedy
Speaker 2: and I just want to talk about the nudism thing
Speaker 2: in general that we're seeing more of lately, because I
Speaker 2: don't get it, never gotten it, And I'll go you
Speaker 2: one even further. When I hear about like famous people
Speaker 2: who we find out are nudists, it completely changes everything
Speaker 2: I think about them.
Speaker 4: Robert A.
Speaker 2: Heinlein, the sci fi author, was a famous, infamous nudist.
Speaker 4: That's right, the.
Speaker 2: Guy who gave a starship, Troopers and Strangers in a
Speaker 2: Strange Land and well time enough for love, I guess
Speaker 2: lends itself to that. But a nudist. Can you ever
Speaker 2: not think about that? When you hear his name again?
Speaker 3: I think most newdists would fit that profile. I think
Speaker 3: there was such a thing.
Speaker 2: I've got very limited experience with nudism because everything about
Speaker 2: it terrifies and repels me. One summer when I was
Speaker 2: in college, a friend of mine. A friend of mine
Speaker 2: drove an ice cream truck and Spokane, Washington, not a
Speaker 2: place known for beaches, not a place known for people
Speaker 2: who really take great care of themselves. But he would
Speaker 2: come and pick me up this summer when he went
Speaker 2: to the one nude beach by some river in Spokane.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you, the people who want to
Speaker 2: be naked in public are never the people you want
Speaker 2: to see naked in public. They I mean, we're all different.
Speaker 2: None of us is perfect. We don't all have personal
Speaker 2: trainers and that kind of stuff. But in the name
Speaker 2: of God, have some consideration for us. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: got hang ups that maybe a lot of people don't have.
Speaker 2: But these people who came up to the ice cream
Speaker 2: truck to order things, with all their stuff hanging out
Speaker 2: in front of God and everyone, I just didn't grasp it.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand it. I didn't get the satisfaction that
Speaker 2: they felt from it. So some guy who at the time, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, if I was in college, I was want
Speaker 2: maybe twenty twenty one years old, and what seemed ancient
Speaker 2: to me at the time, the guy must have been fifty.
Speaker 2: He looked like a leather handbag. He looked like, first
Speaker 2: of all, if you're going to be a nudist and
Speaker 2: be outside you sunscreen, is that too much to ask?
Speaker 3: I think it's a requirement that you do look like
Speaker 3: a leather handbag.
Speaker 2: So the guy, and I'm not saying this just to
Speaker 2: be crude, the guy comes up and orders a box
Speaker 2: of big sticks because he wants to just walk around
Speaker 2: and distribute them to people at the nude beach.
Speaker 7: Oh there you go, just.
Speaker 4: One of the night.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, fush Andrew. You said you had
Speaker 2: some experience with nude beaches, and I hesitate to ask
Speaker 2: you because I don't know where this is gonna go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 10: I was trying to do a tour of one, but
Speaker 10: I only got to the front gate. They wouldn't let
Speaker 10: me in.
Speaker 2: What did you make of that? Did you take that
Speaker 2: as a personal rejection? Did they scope out the goods
Speaker 2: and then say, sorry, you're not cutting it is.
Speaker 10: The time for the news yet?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, but how did this see?
Speaker 4: Now? Everything I say sounds I feel.
Speaker 3: Like looking from the front gate is problematic in itself.
Speaker 3: You maybe shouldn't have been doing that. That sounds kind
Speaker 3: of like gawking well, let's be clear.
Speaker 2: Was this a velvet rope type of situation where they
Speaker 2: waved somebody in It's like, no, not.
Speaker 10: Oh, I mean it was before drones, you know when
Speaker 10: I did this, So it's not like I could just
Speaker 10: you know, peek over the uh get a peep show,
Speaker 10: you know, over the fence. So I was trying to
Speaker 10: get a tour of the place.
Speaker 4: Why were you trying to do this? I was curious.
Speaker 10: I think everyone's curious about things that are considered taboo.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 10: You were just curious. Well, it's not like there was
Speaker 10: a back door. It was the beach careful. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yes, we were talking about somehow Earlier in the week
Speaker 2: we got on the topic of people having sex in public.
Speaker 2: And once a number of years ago, I was writing
Speaker 2: something science fiction horror story action thing that involved an
Speaker 2: alien virus that was transmitted through people having sex and
Speaker 2: tRNS them into monsters. Now you know too much, But
Speaker 2: I had this idea that I wanted to go to
Speaker 2: the one sex club in Seattle to do research for it.
Speaker 2: But there was no way I was a getting naked,
Speaker 2: No way I was gonna let anybody touch me, and
Speaker 2: I certainly was not going to touch my stuff on
Speaker 2: anybody else's stuff and let them touch me. But I've
Speaker 2: had friends who have done this, and I just cannot
Speaker 2: fathom doing this. Of course, Eu Tiffany have had tons
Speaker 2: of experiences.
Speaker 7: Don't gesture at me. I don't want any part of this.
Speaker 7: I you know, really quick.
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, family was taking a little vacation.
Speaker 3: Stepfather at the times truck drivers. We went to some
Speaker 3: different places in the PNW Pacific Northwest and we happened
Speaker 3: to pawn when I was about four years old, a
Speaker 3: nude beach and people were running foosh, I know, for
Speaker 3: a running from each other. I mean they were running,
Speaker 3: by the way they were jogging.
Speaker 2: If you're naked, really exercise caution while running. You don't
Speaker 2: want to run.
Speaker 3: They were just frolicking. And I was four and I
Speaker 3: saw this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a short list of activities you don't want
Speaker 2: to do naked. In Seattle, there is an annual Solstice Parade,
Speaker 2: and part of the Solstice Parade is nude bikers. And
Speaker 2: let me tell you something, even the best looking people
Speaker 2: on earth don't look great naked.
Speaker 4: When they're hunched over on a bike.
Speaker 3: There's not a great look there's a nude bicycle marathon
Speaker 3: in New Orleans. They do that during the summer, and
Speaker 3: you just think there are conditions that are probably not
Speaker 3: good at all for that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: No, no, and so, and they wear costumes while they're
Speaker 2: doing this, they wear body paint, and it's just it's
Speaker 2: not a position that's flattering to the human body in
Speaker 2: any case. But when you're naked, it's all right out there.
Speaker 2: So all I'm thinking is, well, I think Wonder Woman
Speaker 2: could send to do a few crunches, but I don't want.
Speaker 2: I'm not here to body shame anybody. I'm here to
Speaker 2: body shame everybody because it's disgusting. Now, here's one last question.
Speaker 2: We're coming up to the break here. What's the deal
Speaker 2: with volleyball and nudice? Why is it required that they
Speaker 2: play volleyball?
Speaker 7: Look at the time, Wow, look at the time.
Speaker 4: Push.
Speaker 2: You are a nude volleyball player if I've ever seen one.
Speaker 2: What's the answer to this?
Speaker 10: You know, I don't think I could answer it better
Speaker 10: than and you probably could.
Speaker 4: I'd never done it. I'm too inhibited.
Speaker 2: Even when I was in the best shape of my life,
Speaker 2: there was no way I was going to do anything
Speaker 2: like this. But I'll tell you one thing, And I've
Speaker 2: never talked about this before. So people who know me
Speaker 2: are listening, this is gonna be the first time they're
Speaker 2: hearing it too. When I was a teenager, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how old I was, maybe fourteen ish, I went
Speaker 2: to a science fiction convention in Moscow, Idaho. Young nerd
Speaker 2: Life star trek. You know, take my allowance money and
Speaker 2: buy like a book or an enterprise toy or something
Speaker 2: like that. Well, I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 2: but after hours at these psych fi conventions, it gets
Speaker 2: pretty racy. Lot a lot of hookups, a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of backrubs, a lot of a lot of look.
Speaker 10: At the time, Oh no, no, no, I'm not done yet.
Speaker 10: That's terrifying town.
Speaker 2: So one of these I happened to wander into a
Speaker 2: naked jacuzzi party and you got to strip down. But
Speaker 2: at fourteen, you don't have control over everything. So let's
Speaker 2: just say I found myself having to hop fully into
Speaker 2: the water quite a number of times as a teenager.
Speaker 2: You know how biology works. I should have just left,
Speaker 2: but by the time I knew I had to leave,
Speaker 2: I wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker 7: This is where therapy comes into play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god you're here tonight. Okay, later on in
Speaker 2: the show, coming up an hour two, right after eight o'clock,
Speaker 2: we've got a great surprise special guest. After that we'll
Speaker 2: have the Runner Report, and in the nine o'clock hour,
Speaker 2: we're going to be doing name that cult movie classic,
Speaker 2: just like if Moe were here, but with slightly different
Speaker 2: movies than Moe might have chosen. You're listening to KFI
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