Speaker 1: Something's going to happen. What's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: I'm the only nose tonight in mate. Uh Thomas is
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck Thomas doing, but uh, Thomas,
Speaker 2: I hope you're having fun wherever, where, wherever and whatever
Speaker 2: you're doing. Buddy. Uh, we have the great lives, We
Speaker 2: have a great nick. You guys are back. We had
Speaker 2: you back on back in the day to talk about
Speaker 2: some fucking smiley face killers. Uh e Liza, I'm so
Speaker 2: happy to have you back on. Uh. We're doing some
Speaker 2: sizzy and ship tonight.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: So I love it, dude. I love all the true
Speaker 2: crime stuff that you guys do. You guys get into
Speaker 2: the like cold stand the conspiracy is also the true
Speaker 2: crime stuff. Uh dude, thank you guys for coming back on.
Speaker 2: You guys want to do some plugs before we get started, Oh, sure,
Speaker 2: there you.
Speaker 3: Can go first.
Speaker 1: All I have to plug is just the Accult Research
Speaker 1: Institute dot org. Check us out. There a lot of
Speaker 1: written cool stuff to read it.
Speaker 4: Heck yeah, uh yeah, I guess the only thing really
Speaker 4: to plug is the occult Rejects. If people haven't heard
Speaker 4: of us yet, we cover a lot of occultism we
Speaker 4: do cover a true crime if occultism proteins to it. Uh,
Speaker 4: some paranormal here and there, but a lot of it
Speaker 4: is occultism or conspiracy with ocultism and magic. The Yeah,
Speaker 4: the o Cult Rejects on bitchhoot Rumble, YouTube and all
Speaker 4: major podcasts. Thank you very much for having us on again.
Speaker 2: Heck yeah, so where do we get started with this?
Speaker 3: This is the and cult.
Speaker 4: Uh, it's just weird. Your guy Ethan Ethan in the
Speaker 4: Go from The Occult Rejects actually twisted me the the
Speaker 4: article when it first came out, and it was more
Speaker 4: of just like what the hell, Like we got like
Speaker 4: trainees vegans that are like killing people and they're into
Speaker 4: like AI in tech, and you're just like, ah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, this might be weird.
Speaker 4: It might be something worth like looking into, or it
Speaker 4: just might like be towing arms with you. At first,
Speaker 4: I was like this might be entertaining to cover and
Speaker 4: just talk about, you know, and me and Lisa started
Speaker 4: looking into it and we're like, it might actually be
Speaker 4: some weird shit here. And it's actually a very deep
Speaker 4: detailed story that's like kind of almost hard to even
Speaker 4: like wrap your mind around. The first time you listen
Speaker 4: to it because you have, like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 4: sure there's reasons for it.
Speaker 3: You have people that are you know, they're they're.
Speaker 4: Changing their sex, they're changing their names, and then it's
Speaker 4: just like it's just like you get all these different
Speaker 4: personalities and names spopping up and then you find out,
Speaker 4: oh wait, that was just someone else that used a.
Speaker 3: Different name when they're you know, different fucking sex.
Speaker 4: Now you know, it's like almost like you're doing this
Speaker 4: to play names and you know, name games, so people
Speaker 4: get confused as well. It's just it's a very weird
Speaker 4: situation and it does tie into some just I think
Speaker 4: weird things will get AI tech, some people that I
Speaker 4: think are kind of well known and might be doing
Speaker 4: weird stuff with it they seem to have been associated with,
Speaker 4: And yeah, I just think it's very weird, and I
Speaker 4: do think there might be a cultism in a sense
Speaker 4: kind of behind it.
Speaker 3: I do think as we get into.
Speaker 4: It, when we start talking about some of the ideas
Speaker 4: that these kids have amongst like the zizzy and cult,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that they were definitely a cultist, but
Speaker 4: I think maybe they were kind of trying to look
Speaker 4: into things or understand things as well that might be
Speaker 4: kind of something that occultist would be into. So not
Speaker 4: saying they were, but maybe someone behind them were pulling
Speaker 4: the strings, that was maybe manipulating them.
Speaker 3: For all, I could have even got them interested in
Speaker 3: some of that stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, I always, always, always behind every cult is
Speaker 2: something to do with the There's a CIA connection, There's
Speaker 2: like a military connection. There always is. I can't think
Speaker 2: of one that I would that I doubt, you know,
Speaker 2: even the Mormons. So it's fascinating stuff, dude. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: these ends, I'll tell you what I know about them
Speaker 2: and then you can correct me. I think that's sometimes
Speaker 2: where we get started.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: So I did a little bit of research on this
Speaker 2: Ziz person. Uh started male, then transition to female. As
Speaker 2: far as I know, grew up in Alaska, is that correct?
Speaker 2: Very isolated, very very highly intelligent, was into like some
Speaker 2: bizarre kind of shit. Was kind of a troublemaker and
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. Like I think I would have liked
Speaker 2: this kid when it was a boy as far as
Speaker 2: like like they got into uh they like broke into
Speaker 2: the mainframe of their school when they were fucking kids,
Speaker 2: and they like gave bonuses to the teachers that they
Speaker 2: liked and took money away from the teachers they didn't like,
Speaker 2: and like fuck with it like they do. They broke
Speaker 2: into the like this is something that I heard, and uh,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of interesting, dude, Like this person was
Speaker 2: extremely intelligent, probably very autistic, had a very hard time
Speaker 2: fitting in with other people. And it's kind of a
Speaker 2: it's kind of a sad thing because autistic people they
Speaker 2: don't really feel they never feel comfortable, like even in
Speaker 2: their own skin. And so I think that's what kind
Speaker 2: of leads, uh, these folks to go tranny because they're
Speaker 2: looking for something to try to make themselves feel good
Speaker 2: about themselves. Yeah, dude, it's rough, dude. And I think
Speaker 2: that a lot of this is actually being done on
Speaker 2: purpose as far as like chemical biological things and things
Speaker 2: that we don't want to discuss on YouTube, ookie polks
Speaker 2: and things like that that caused a lot of this
Speaker 2: damage to people. And I think that's what's causing this
Speaker 2: huge because I look at the trans movement as depopulation.
Speaker 2: It's more depopulation agenda. They like want to get these
Speaker 2: folks to you know, not reproduce, and wanted to whack
Speaker 2: themselve whacked their own willies off, And so I think
Speaker 2: this person was like the ultimate kind of poster boy
Speaker 2: for this depopulation agenda like this, like that's almost what
Speaker 2: the zizzy and stuff is all about. Because then what
Speaker 2: I so this also started out of like the rationalist community. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and a lot of game theory shit and a lot
Speaker 2: of fucking interesting, weird connections with that, and I think
Speaker 2: that's some fucking weird CIA bullshit. Also people that probably
Speaker 2: they're too smart for their own good. I've known a
Speaker 2: lot of these people that like they might be goddamn brilliant, dude,
Speaker 2: but they can't they can't ever do anything with it
Speaker 2: because they're too fucking autistic to ever apply it to anything,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So then they just kind
Speaker 2: of pontificate into like the most asinine, stupid, fucking questions
Speaker 2: that ultimately don't fucking matter.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: This poor retard was kind of oddly compassionate because I
Speaker 2: guess they were like a vegan and they didn't want
Speaker 2: to like hurt animals and different things like that. But
Speaker 2: at the same time.
Speaker 4: To the altruistic, which is really all about you know,
Speaker 4: helping and yeah, doing less wrong and think and all
Speaker 4: that stuff they're involved with.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing that I've always noticed about these people.
Speaker 2: Because they are so autistic and because they think everything
Speaker 2: they're doing is for the greater good, Uh, they will
Speaker 2: at times like make sacrifices because this is for the
Speaker 2: greater good. Like I listen to a little bit. I
Speaker 2: listened to actually a podcast that was describing an incident
Speaker 2: for this Ziz character, and they were like, they needed
Speaker 2: to take a shower because they didn't because they had
Speaker 2: to go to work and they didn't have much time,
Speaker 2: and they didn't want to go to work stinky right,
Speaker 2: because they thought that this would hurt them at their
Speaker 2: job and things like that. But they also there was
Speaker 2: like ants that were in the shower, and they're like,
Speaker 2: if I turn on the shower right now, I'm going
Speaker 2: to fucking kill these ants. And this is like and
Speaker 2: this is evil and this is awful, but this is
Speaker 2: for the greater good. I have to go to work
Speaker 2: right now because I need this money because I'm making
Speaker 2: connections so I can put this money towards the ultimate
Speaker 2: AI that's going to save humanity. So and then she
Speaker 2: like decided because in her mind, these ants have the
Speaker 2: same value as a human life. And she's like, this
Speaker 2: is an isolated incident, this isn't going to cause like,
Speaker 2: so anyway, she murdered the fucking ants and made this
Speaker 2: weird decision. Like they're fucking bizarre and kind of borderline retarded,
Speaker 2: and this intelligence that they have quote unquote uh doesn't
Speaker 2: do them any favors. This is about as far as
Speaker 2: I know about these Zizians that they were rationalists. They
Speaker 2: were obsessed with this upcoming AI that was supposedly going
Speaker 2: to save the world, but also uh, because it was
Speaker 2: going to be a godlike type of thing could also
Speaker 2: be evil and or destroy the fucking humanity. And so
Speaker 2: you had to be on their side. And if you
Speaker 2: weren't actively trying to create this AI, you were against
Speaker 2: this AI. And anyways, they're fucking psychos and for some
Speaker 2: reason they chopped off their widers too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's you got you got. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: nail that, you nailed down to some of the most
Speaker 4: important parts for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's there's a bunch of different people that
Speaker 4: go into we'll go into the murders.
Speaker 3: One thing I do want to add that you were
Speaker 3: kind of like saying this is just my opinion. I'm
Speaker 3: not not going to people.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, I think people that might be kind of
Speaker 4: maybe into that lifestyle, I think they might be looked
Speaker 4: at by others as easy targets to manipulate. I think
Speaker 4: they may see if if Dy've kicking on this idea
Speaker 4: and or willing to this, to do this to their bodies,
Speaker 4: we might you know, have them pretty good by now
Speaker 4: to do what other things we want them to do.
Speaker 4: That that is a thought amongst the amongst that, you know,
Speaker 4: that's the theory of mine. Yeah, I think there was
Speaker 4: something else you said that I was going to add to.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there was definitely murders too as well, and
Speaker 4: we'll get into that. Lisa, was there anything that you
Speaker 4: wanted to get into before, like I guess we kind
Speaker 4: of went into the notes.
Speaker 3: Was anything Nate said that you want to add to.
Speaker 1: Or I think we're going to cover it and as
Speaker 1: we go through to kind of develop the characters and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So yeah, no that I think we're good.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh I.
Speaker 1: Am all right good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, then I'll get into the notes.
Speaker 4: Really, what I'm gonna do is kind of read a
Speaker 4: couple of paragraphs from a news article and then I'll mention,
Speaker 4: like some of the people that are basically like the
Speaker 4: I guess major, major people and the people who have
Speaker 4: been arrested. All right, so Dizzy and cult. Who are
Speaker 4: the Zizzians the cult like group under the FBI investigation?
Speaker 4: And this is from the USA today. The Zizian though
Speaker 4: the arrest of three people in Maryland has helped shed
Speaker 4: new light on a series of connected deaths across the
Speaker 4: country that experts say are tied to a group called
Speaker 4: the Zizians, named after that purported jack leader, Zizzlesoda, who
Speaker 4: is thirty four. The group is connected to at least
Speaker 4: six deaths nationwide, according to police, interviews with people who
Speaker 4: knew group members, and the FBI and court records. Losoda
Speaker 4: was assigned male at birth but uses female pronouns, and
Speaker 4: federal and state court records referred to Losda as a man.
Speaker 4: Experts and people who know them say the group is
Speaker 4: led by Lsoda, who, in online postings discussed the nature
Speaker 4: of consciousness and rational decision making.
Speaker 3: Many of the group members are vegan.
Speaker 4: And either and either have degrees in computer science or
Speaker 4: have studied related fields. Some members of the group are
Speaker 4: transgender or have rejected binary sexuality. The group at one
Speaker 4: time was based in San Francisco area, living in a
Speaker 4: box truck on a landlord's property. Members also appear to
Speaker 4: have lived in North Carolina in Vermont. Citing lesoda's online postings,
Speaker 4: pick Cavage said he said the group has elements of
Speaker 4: a religious cult.
Speaker 3: Now amongst the people charged, we have Michelle.
Speaker 4: Jacko, who is thirty two, who was arrested with a
Speaker 4: handgun alongside Leesota with another man in Marylyn on Monday.
Speaker 4: Zacho faces state charges of trespassing, resisting or interfering with
Speaker 4: an arrest, obstruction in carrying a gun atf agents are
Speaker 4: also pursuing federal charges against Zacho over allegations that she
Speaker 4: lied on purchasing paperwork for several guns bought in two
Speaker 4: thousand and four, in which were later used by two
Speaker 4: other people in Vermont during a double fatal shooting with
Speaker 4: the US Border Patrol agents. Jacko was also a person
Speaker 4: of interest in the Pennsylvania homicides of her parents in
Speaker 4: late twenty twenty two, according to court filings. Then we
Speaker 4: have Daniel Blank twenty six, who faces Maryland charges of trespassing, obstruction,
Speaker 4: and hindering in connection with his Monday arrest. He is
Speaker 4: also a suspect in the death of Jacko's parents, who
Speaker 4: are killed near where he grew up. A Maryland court
Speaker 4: record show blank was reported missing in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: According to Pennsylvania State Police, that is another thing that
Speaker 4: we'll get into with these people. Got a lot of
Speaker 4: them going missing or faking their death. Something up with that,
Speaker 4: So you have to even start a question like, who
Speaker 4: the fuck's who anymore?
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: Losoda faces Maryland charges of trespassing, obstruction, and possession of
Speaker 4: a hanggun in a vehicle. Court records and Vermont also
Speaker 4: have referred to Lesoda as a person of interest in
Speaker 4: the deaths of Jacko's parents. Lsoda may have faked her
Speaker 4: own death in April twenty twenty two, according to an
Speaker 4: obituary in her hometown Alaska newspaper. Theresa young Blood's twenty
Speaker 4: one accused by federal prosecutors of shooting at a US
Speaker 4: Border Patrol agent, David Miland on January twentieth near the
Speaker 4: Canadian border in northern Vermont. Milaan was killed in the exchange,
Speaker 4: as was a German national. Young Blood was traveling with
Speaker 4: Ophelia Buckolt. Federal court filings indicate Jacko bought the guns
Speaker 4: young Blood and Buckolt were carrying.
Speaker 3: Young Blood is in federal custody.
Speaker 4: Max Schneider's twenty two who late last year got a
Speaker 4: marriage license to wed Youngblood in Seattle, Washington, where they
Speaker 4: grew up. Snyder was accused by Solano County, California prosecutors
Speaker 4: of ambushing and fatally stabbing a landlord who in December
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two tried to evict Lsoda and the other
Speaker 4: group members from his Valeo, California property. The landlord shot
Speaker 4: two of the group members, killing one, and an incident
Speaker 4: ruled self defense by prosecutors.
Speaker 1: Head on to you, Lisa, so to kind of we're
Speaker 1: going to kind of expand upon what Nick just covered.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into a little bit of Alsoda
Speaker 1: And so, Yeah, his full name is Jack Amadeus and
Speaker 1: then nicknamed Zizz Lusoda, and he graduated magnacum maloud from
Speaker 1: the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, like you had said, Nate,
Speaker 1: and he did a summer internship with NASA, and Nick
Speaker 1: had found recently that he also did a twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: sency stint as well, so one of the interesting things
Speaker 1: that we found about Ziz was that his dad, named Dan,
Speaker 1: is an AI researcher there at the University of Alaska
Speaker 1: in Fairbanks. And so when we talk about Ziz doing
Speaker 1: an internship with NASA, we also found that he also
Speaker 1: did somewhat of a stint or an internship with Oracle.
Speaker 1: An Oracle comes into mind when you never seen you know,
Speaker 1: these people kind of play into the people that are
Speaker 1: in the current administration, you know, having their moment of
Speaker 1: speech on the pulpit. So, like many young tech entrepreneurs,
Speaker 1: Ziz ended up moving to the Bay Area because they
Speaker 1: wanted to be or, according to him, have proximity to
Speaker 1: the tech industry, which he considered sort of his destiny.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what he wrote in his twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: blog posts. So when we look at the timeline, we're
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and start from when zizzs base,
Speaker 1: he leaves Alaska and then comes to the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: So here's like kind of a look of how it
Speaker 1: all started and then how it culminates up until the
Speaker 1: January twentieth, how I shoot out with the Border Patrol
Speaker 1: in Vermont. And this is more majority of this information
Speaker 1: is coming from interviews or review of police reports, court records,
Speaker 1: and online posting, so that's kind of where most of
Speaker 1: our are I guess information is coming from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting stuff. I do think it's funny. It's almost
Speaker 2: like a bizarro like Maga wet dream as far as
Speaker 2: like it's Traine's there's immigration. It's a border, but it's
Speaker 2: the wrong border, and it's a white immigrant and there's
Speaker 2: a shootout with a border patrol. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: It's like almost the opposite of what they're looking for.
Speaker 2: They wanted some beaner at the border shooting. No fucking
Speaker 2: you know, but it's it is interesting. They are fucking weird, man.
Speaker 2: And I almost wonder if they actually qualify as a
Speaker 2: cult in a weird way, because I think you could
Speaker 2: probably come and go right. I don't think they would
Speaker 2: even care if you left. But all of these people
Speaker 2: are so dedicated to this idea, so they really are
Speaker 2: like really ingrained and very fearful of what they see
Speaker 2: as coming. I guess this this, uh and and I'm
Speaker 2: sure we're going to get into that, but uh, just
Speaker 2: they really believe that the end of whatever world that
Speaker 2: we're living in is imminent and we are going to meet.
Speaker 2: And I don't think they're wrong. I think they might
Speaker 2: be right about that. I don't like their tactics or
Speaker 2: where they're you know, where.
Speaker 1: Nick Nick and I were talking about I think two
Speaker 1: days ago, and we're like, you know, I know these
Speaker 1: people are being labeled as a cult, they're being labeled
Speaker 1: about all this stuff, but how do we know that
Speaker 1: that is actuality? That you know, maybe what they're saying
Speaker 1: is true because if you think about East the way
Speaker 1: all of the morality from it, and you look at
Speaker 1: what they're saying about, like we need to place more
Speaker 1: stringent regulations on AI and what they can decide upon.
Speaker 1: Who's against that really?
Speaker 2: And the only thing that I would say to that
Speaker 2: is because you know, the Lord and Savior aka the
Speaker 2: Antichrist Elon Musk is all about putting regulations on AI
Speaker 2: and things like that. But to me, always, whenever government
Speaker 2: gets involved, they will put on regulations for things like
Speaker 2: AI because they're actually the ones doing the fucking shady
Speaker 2: shit behind the scenes, and they don't want you to
Speaker 2: be able to train the AI that we are going
Speaker 2: to need to necessarily oppose them. And also, whenever government
Speaker 2: gets involved. It never works the way it's supposed to.
Speaker 2: And I'm against more forced redistribution of wealth just for
Speaker 2: them to pretend they're doing something with AI, And yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's weird. Like I believe in
Speaker 2: regulation obviously in very certain sectors and very certain instances,
Speaker 2: and if like, because who the fuck's actually going to
Speaker 2: be like enforcing this or making sure that the companies
Speaker 2: aren't actually making some weird AI, like how do you
Speaker 2: check that? How do you know? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just seems like another money pit that they need
Speaker 2: that they're probably going to use to build Satan or
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck they're doing.
Speaker 3: One thing's almost like yeah, Erry.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry. When they're when they're making the regulations
Speaker 1: and they're claiming it to be democracy, to me, it's
Speaker 1: like democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's
Speaker 1: for dinner.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and all of these psychotic elites, the only
Speaker 2: time they ever agree is on things like this. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: AI is going to be so dangerous because they want
Speaker 2: a fear monger and get us all fucking wild up.
Speaker 2: And honestly, the closest thing I think we're probably going
Speaker 2: to come to. Like alien life is something that is
Speaker 2: brought about through the ether through like uh, these weird
Speaker 2: dimensional portals and things like that. I mean I've thought
Speaker 2: I thought this for years actually that like what is
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence? There are these weird, bizarre things that we're
Speaker 2: tapping into, these intelligences that are like we can communicate
Speaker 2: with these fucking weird things. To me, like an entity
Speaker 2: from another dimension needs a brain in order to like
Speaker 2: a kind of like a computer to come over here
Speaker 2: to possess for just like a small amount of time,
Speaker 2: to like to be here. And if we are going
Speaker 2: to build some super complex, crazy fucking computer, I think
Speaker 2: that probably we could invite something over to kind of
Speaker 2: like inhabit that, and that's going to be like the
Speaker 2: true idea of an AI is actually gonna it's not
Speaker 2: something we created, but it's something that we brought over here.
Speaker 2: Who the fuck knows.
Speaker 4: Kind was like putting that I hate to use the word,
Speaker 4: but they were putting an entity into a computer and bringing.
Speaker 3: It to life.
Speaker 2: Well, we can't talk too bad about them because otherwise
Speaker 2: they're going to come and smite us when when they
Speaker 2: take control.
Speaker 4: Well, one thing I did want to add though, about
Speaker 4: the stuff with the dizzy ands. I don't know how
Speaker 4: truthful this is. This was like stuff that I had read, uh.
Speaker 4: I think it was like in one of the news articles.
Speaker 4: It's something that I had read where they had spoken
Speaker 4: to a supposed friend of these people.
Speaker 3: The weird thing though, with them.
Speaker 4: And the regulations of AI is that they were still
Speaker 4: under like the belief though that if it the answer
Speaker 4: AI gave them sucked for us, but was okay for
Speaker 4: the Earth and the planet.
Speaker 3: That's okay with them as well.
Speaker 4: So even though you want to regulate it, that sounds nice,
Speaker 4: but like you're also okay with it saying well, maybe
Speaker 4: humans need to go so the rest of the world
Speaker 4: can be okay.
Speaker 3: That's pretty fucking crazy too.
Speaker 2: Though where I come from, Dude, I've heard that that
Speaker 2: argument so many times, Like the people that try to
Speaker 2: say that, like humans are the real virus on this planet,
Speaker 2: humans are the ones that are destroying this planet. I
Speaker 2: don't give them if we're not here to enjoy it,
Speaker 2: Like I don't care if this place is going to
Speaker 2: be the most beautiful, amazing place without humans, if we
Speaker 2: just disappeared, if we're not here to enjoy it, if
Speaker 2: we're not here to see it. It doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 2: I'm a straight human supremacist whatever you want to call that,
Speaker 2: Like a specist right here, right now. Uh, human human
Speaker 2: power right here, humans.
Speaker 3: Are the only thing that.
Speaker 2: Is yes, human power, humanity.
Speaker 3: Oh I think I want next to it all.
Speaker 4: Uh. Jacalsoona, who uses feminine pronouns, a computer programmer and
Speaker 4: transgender woman living in San Francisco Bay Area, starts writing
Speaker 4: a blog under the online persona Ziz, with complex and
Speaker 4: sometimes rambling theories about technology, gender identity, and human cognition.
Speaker 4: She gets involved in the rationalist movement, a community that
Speaker 4: seeks to understand human cognition and is concerned with the
Speaker 4: potential dangers of her artificial intelligence. Then she had a
Speaker 4: stint at Google. She took part in an apprenticeship by
Speaker 4: the Machine Intelligence Research Institute mr I. It's very important
Speaker 4: and the Center for Applied Rationality c FAR it's another
Speaker 4: important one, and became part of rationalist movement in Berkeley,
Speaker 4: according to the San Francisco Chronicle, after they arrived in
Speaker 4: the Barrier to work in tech after graduating magna cum
Speaker 4: latte from UA Fairbanks. He would later become a leader
Speaker 4: of the Zizians like I just said, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3: If a machine.
Speaker 4: If nobody knows MRI Machine Intelligence Research Institute, it's another
Speaker 4: one of these kind of like weird things. The Machine
Speaker 4: Intelligence Research Institute, formerly the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
Speaker 4: s i AI, is a nonprofit research institute focused since
Speaker 4: two thousand and five on identifying and managing potential existential
Speaker 4: risks from artificial general intelligence. MRI's work has focused on
Speaker 4: friendly AI approach to system design, on a predicting on
Speaker 4: a predicting the rate of technology development. In two thousand,
Speaker 4: this is another big name, Eliza, if I'm even saying
Speaker 4: Lisa Eli. Yudkowski founded the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
Speaker 4: with funding from Brian and Sabine Atkins, with the purpose
Speaker 4: of accelerating development of artificial intelligence. However, Yukowski began to
Speaker 4: be concerned that AI systems developed in the future could
Speaker 4: become super intelligent impose risks to humanity, and in two
Speaker 4: thousand and five the Institute moved to Silicon Valley and
Speaker 4: began to focus on wayte whit to find and manage
Speaker 4: those risks, which were at time largely ignored by scientists.
Speaker 3: In the field.
Speaker 4: Starting in two thousand and sixty, Institute organized a Singularity
Speaker 4: Summit to discuss the future of AI, including its risks,
Speaker 4: initially in cooperation with These are Interesting Names coming up
Speaker 4: the Stanford University and with funding from Peter Teal. The
Speaker 4: San Francisco Chronicle described the first conference as a Bay
Speaker 4: Area coming out party, just like Peter Teal coming out
Speaker 4: for the technis.
Speaker 2: If you're obsessed with AI, yeah.
Speaker 3: Peter yep, yep, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think, if I remember correctly, I think it's
Speaker 4: MIRI I could be wrong when Lisa could correct me
Speaker 4: if she remembers off hand, I'm kind of jumping the gun.
Speaker 3: I think it's already in the notes.
Speaker 4: But like Peter Teal, Elon Musk and a bunch of
Speaker 4: other people already donate to that police together, so it's
Speaker 4: like you, I think it's that one. So it's like
Speaker 4: you even see them like kind of basically funding the
Speaker 4: same things together.
Speaker 2: And these four dumb zizzy and morons are probably they
Speaker 2: don't realize that they have puppet strings. It might be
Speaker 2: Elon Musk diddling them, you know what I mean, might
Speaker 2: be the one doing all of this stuff. Peter Deel
Speaker 2: and Elon Musk and yeah, dude, it's absolutely wild. I mean,
Speaker 2: because they need uh. This is basically their Antifa. Somebody
Speaker 2: was saying Trantifa. Yeah, made me giggle. Yeah, dude, it's
Speaker 2: it is interesting, dude. These are their crown soldiers, just
Speaker 2: like the KK used to work for the Democrats. I
Speaker 2: think these Zizians work for Elon Musk and they don't
Speaker 2: even know it.
Speaker 3: Now a little bit just about some of the weird
Speaker 3: stuff about the Soda too.
Speaker 4: Lysoda believed that humans have two minds, a left and
Speaker 4: right hemisphere, and each hemisphere can be good or evil,
Speaker 4: according to posts on her blog, Eventually, Losoda came to
Speaker 4: believe that only very few people she among them are
Speaker 4: double good. That means both side is good. This is
Speaker 4: fucking silly. It's like childlike fucking play over here. On
Speaker 4: her blog, Lsoda wrote that each hemisphere can have separate
Speaker 4: values and even genders, and they often desire to kill
Speaker 4: each other. Reaching peace between hemispheres with conflicting interests is
Speaker 4: a tricky process of repeatedly reconstructing frames of game theory
Speaker 4: and decision theory and light of realizations of them having
Speaker 4: been strategically damaged by your headmats.
Speaker 3: That's what she wrote.
Speaker 4: Lesda also describes being targeted by police for her syth
Speaker 4: inspired garb sometimes in parentheses here, sometimes cops harass me
Speaker 4: for wearing my religious attire as a scyth, and Lili
Speaker 4: Soda wrote on her blog, as a sith, I'm religiously
Speaker 4: required to do whatever I want and for now that
Speaker 4: so happens to include wearing black robes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, and that is honestly what we're looking at too,
Speaker 2: the darkness, like with nice nerdy faggots like these people
Speaker 2: are they have too much time on their hands. They're
Speaker 2: obsessed with Harry Potter, They're obsessed with Star Wars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these dorks. This is the problem, is that we have
Speaker 2: white dorks that probably a lot of them are like
Speaker 2: trust fund kids, had too much time, they went to
Speaker 2: like elite schools. They just got bored. Only some of
Speaker 2: them are Jews, and these these are just like it
Speaker 2: does not surprise me, dude.
Speaker 1: You know. And it's it's funny because you know, these
Speaker 1: programs that are set up by some of the big
Speaker 1: thinkers that we consider Elon musk Deal, even the guy
Speaker 1: who invented Skype. They're the ones funding most of these
Speaker 1: think tanks that are I guess forming the rules and
Speaker 1: the actual game theory that will be programmed into AI.
Speaker 1: And Lesota was actually attending one of these, if not
Speaker 1: a couple of them, but see if AR is one
Speaker 1: of them. The Center for Rationality. He was attending it,
Speaker 1: had been attending it for several years, and then he
Speaker 1: proposed the theory that Nick is talking about, like with
Speaker 1: the double hemisphere, the two hemispheres of the brain, and
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they didn't want to accept it. They
Speaker 1: didn't want to I guess take it in, and he,
Speaker 1: I guess became upset and angry about it and ended
Speaker 1: up breaking away from the group itself. But while he
Speaker 1: was there, this was back in twenty eighteen. But while
Speaker 1: he was there there were three other members, Emma Bourhine,
Speaker 1: Gwen Danilson, and Alexander Litham. They also decided to side
Speaker 1: with him and formed a protest in November of twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen and protested in front of the actual organization when
Speaker 1: they were having their meeting or whatever. And they they
Speaker 1: were the reason that they were protesting, or the reason
Speaker 1: they cited that they were protesting, is that they were
Speaker 1: protesting against sexual misconduct within the rationalist orations, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Does that mean that
Speaker 1: you know they were offended because of sexuality? Was their
Speaker 1: actual inappropriate things happening? Who knows? Right, I mean there
Speaker 1: is there is all of that to kind of just
Speaker 1: circulate and chew on.
Speaker 3: It was just real quick.
Speaker 4: I just if you don't, I just do work, because
Speaker 4: I do remember this from other stuff that just recently
Speaker 4: came across according to them, and I think it was
Speaker 4: even like on blogs that the reason that some of
Speaker 4: the reasons that they supposedly had a problem with this
Speaker 4: place too is that they had not hired any transgender
Speaker 4: people and that supposedly there was like a lot of yes,
Speaker 4: you know people talking about them and nobody doing anything
Speaker 4: about it. And I don't know how accurate this is,
Speaker 4: but supposedly there is an accusation of a rape so
Speaker 4: that nothing was done about that nothing was.
Speaker 2: Done about you know this like this weird community of
Speaker 2: like dorks online. They are a bunch of in cells.
Speaker 2: They are a bunch of like they're inflated egos thinking
Speaker 2: that there's smarter than everybody. I heard actually about like
Speaker 2: and I think it was I think it was Zizz
Speaker 2: had this like really uncomfortable, like weird situation with some
Speaker 2: of these rationalists where they it was almost like so
Speaker 2: like she went to like one of these like meetups
Speaker 2: with some of these rationalists and they kind of do
Speaker 2: this weird like breaking they're trying to like break you down,
Speaker 2: where they kind of like you're in a circle and
Speaker 2: they sit there and yell at you and say, you know,
Speaker 2: a very cult like kind of weird behavior. And and
Speaker 2: she was saying that.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, it's interesting real quick is that that's
Speaker 4: very much like Esslon style ship which goes back to Stanford.
Speaker 2: Straight up, straight up. And so like the story I
Speaker 2: heard about was like these guys like kind of getting
Speaker 2: in her face saying some wild shit to her, and
Speaker 2: it was kind of like like borderline like weird bizarre
Speaker 2: sexual shit. And and it actually came back to did
Speaker 2: I write it down? The ret no, the game theory
Speaker 2: stuff where they like said like what if we like
Speaker 2: it was something wild like what if like we tried
Speaker 2: to have sex with you right now, what would you do?
Speaker 2: Or they they asked her some wild shit and she
Speaker 2: was just like I would sock you in the throat
Speaker 2: and rip out your fucking face and your eyeballs because
Speaker 2: you know, like that that game theory stuff is like
Speaker 2: they have this like weird thing that like, uh have
Speaker 2: ultra violence. You know. It's something like if somebody tries
Speaker 2: to attack, you attack with the most force possible in
Speaker 2: that way you will stop other people from ever Like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, it's this weird game theory shit. And and
Speaker 2: I apparently it worked it like made their boners go
Speaker 2: away or something, but like, uh, these guys are these
Speaker 2: people are creeps, dude, Like, uh, exactly what you're saying
Speaker 2: is that I, like I would not be surprised that
Speaker 2: there were some real, uh gross stuff happening in that community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of like when you say game theory,
Speaker 1: some of the game theory theory in itself, if you
Speaker 1: go really heavily into some of the psychology behind it,
Speaker 1: especially when they're looking at social behavior within humans and
Speaker 1: game theory, you start to see that the actual I guess,
Speaker 1: papers that look at some of these social interactions will
Speaker 1: map out that humans will not choose the most logical
Speaker 1: or efficient decision. They will actually go against the actual
Speaker 1: logical decision to make. For instance, like the prison theory
Speaker 1: that we have two people that you could either get
Speaker 1: off early or not get off at all, and they
Speaker 1: will choose to risk it all just to not serve
Speaker 1: time versus just not saying anything both of them and
Speaker 1: potentially get away with six months probation, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. They would rather just risk it all and
Speaker 1: not cooperate. So you're seeing a lot of non cooperation
Speaker 1: within game theory. And so if they want to apply
Speaker 1: game theory into AI, now you're looking at classifying human
Speaker 1: decision as not being rational. So that's to me a
Speaker 1: little a little bit concerning.
Speaker 2: So it may always right, they always get lost in
Speaker 2: the sauce. It starts with like one idea, right, and
Speaker 2: then they get obsessed with it, and then it like yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it always contradicts itself. Like I'm thinking about,
Speaker 2: like why would it even fucking matter if you were
Speaker 2: a vegan or not, because like they're obsessed with having
Speaker 2: the least amount of like like I guess, like damage
Speaker 2: or like suffering possible, right and so and so if
Speaker 2: you believe in that, I could kind of understand why
Speaker 2: you become a vegan, like an ethical vegan. But simultaneously
Speaker 2: they're saying that like the world is going to end
Speaker 2: because this giant, mega crazy monster but maybe also a
Speaker 2: good monster is going to come and save the rest
Speaker 2: of humanity. And so I think the bizarrest thing that
Speaker 2: I and I think that that I had a problem
Speaker 2: with it was they think that, hey, if we earn
Speaker 2: the most amount of money possible and we gain all
Speaker 2: this money, then we can sync this into creating this AI.
Speaker 2: But like we've seen time and time and again that
Speaker 2: like more money doesn't necessarily bring about the best results, correct,
Speaker 2: Like when you just throw money at something at a problem,
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't fix it. Like look at our education,
Speaker 2: look at like look at what look at the American education.
Speaker 2: We put so much money into it and we're like
Speaker 2: in the fifty. Maybe we're in the top fifty in
Speaker 2: the world, like uh, and maybe our seniors will graduate
Speaker 2: with uh. Maybe they can fucking count their fingers and
Speaker 2: maybe their toes if they're lucky. So I don't like,
Speaker 2: to me, there's a hole in that argument. But also
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, wasting time being a vegan when I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know, man, Like, if this really is
Speaker 2: the end of the world and you're doing everything you
Speaker 2: can to bring about the AI, like fuck it, fuck
Speaker 2: a cow who cares like this is way, this is
Speaker 2: more important than that.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, Nan, I think you said
Speaker 1: something perfect at the beginning. Is a majority of these
Speaker 1: philosophies from children that came from a fluent background. And
Speaker 1: so when you look at like when you know, I
Speaker 1: taught in charter schools or whatever, some children aren't. This
Speaker 1: is the meal that they get when they come to school.
Speaker 1: No one's picking being vegan. Then they're starving. They want food.
Speaker 1: And so when you have people and this may not
Speaker 1: be a propular theory to say, but when you're having
Speaker 1: people picking and choosing, you don't know what starvation feels like.
Speaker 1: That's just my.
Speaker 2: Opinion, straight up, straight up. And I'm sure we're going
Speaker 2: to get into this when when we're going through the
Speaker 2: sight that we have coming up. But like I still
Speaker 2: I'm going back to maybe they're right that the entire
Speaker 2: world is and maybe we're at a point now that
Speaker 2: we can't stop right where the Chinese government's doing this,
Speaker 2: the Russians are doing this, America is doing this, this
Speaker 2: company over here is doing this like with nobody's permission,
Speaker 2: and we are like colliding towards bringing about this entity,
Speaker 2: this being, whatever it is, and whoever I guess maybe
Speaker 2: gets in gets him first, is in a place of
Speaker 2: uh and and I hear that right where they talk
Speaker 2: about if we ever uh nick, what's that called the
Speaker 2: like the quantum computers, whoever gets one first, like the
Speaker 2: real quantum computers that can break down mathematically and just
Speaker 2: like teach itself, uh like exponentially, like within an instant,
Speaker 2: it can like a thousand years in five minutes. Right
Speaker 2: that whatever country or whoever is in charge of that
Speaker 2: is going to is going to is going to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Process.
Speaker 2: But I tell you what, dude, if you are going
Speaker 2: to make me a psycho radical trainee retard, I would be.
Speaker 2: You know who I fucking love was Ted Kaczinski. I
Speaker 2: think that he was actually looking at this and realizing
Speaker 2: I think he saw this coming a few decades ago
Speaker 2: and was like, and you know, he was doing it
Speaker 2: the wrong way. He was like killing computer teachers and stuff.
Speaker 2: What the hell are you doing, dude? Kill Peter Teal
Speaker 2: round him in an ocean abyss like going can minecraft.
Speaker 2: I'm not actually advocating killing Peter Teal. I repeat, I
Speaker 2: am not advocating Yeah, anyways, I guess you could call
Speaker 2: me a Kazinski and if you if I was gonna
Speaker 2: be one of these psychos, would be like, can we
Speaker 2: can we put a fucking pin in this? Can we
Speaker 2: can we stop this from happening? But everyone is just like, wait,
Speaker 2: it's too inevitable, It's gonna happen anyways. So instead, let's
Speaker 2: embrace it, let's accelerate it, and let's uh uh dude,
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, this is a weird bullshit.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. No. I mean again, I'm gonna get into
Speaker 1: Lasota and his relationship with the Center of Applied rationally,
Speaker 1: but I will say that sometimes some of these offshoot
Speaker 1: groups they do they do improve the situation PETA. We
Speaker 1: consider them out there, and then you look at the
Speaker 1: animal industry that provides food on tables. When PTA came
Speaker 1: on board, you know, they forced the agricultural industry to
Speaker 1: be better at, or more efficient at, or more I
Speaker 1: guess you know, less cruel to you know, parmental.
Speaker 2: I mean also, like in response to PETE, all they
Speaker 2: did was like create ag gag laws. It made it
Speaker 2: illegal for you to like film and show what was
Speaker 2: actually happening inside of those farms.
Speaker 1: I think I think to not not kind of throw
Speaker 1: the baby out with the bathwater. I think it brings
Speaker 1: into everybody starts paying attention. Whether it's good or bad.
Speaker 1: People start to pay attention. And I think when you
Speaker 1: start paying attention, that's always good because you're paying attention.
Speaker 1: Whether you side one way or another. Just the fact
Speaker 1: that people are paying attention, I think is always good
Speaker 1: because it allows you to not have that, you know,
Speaker 1: las a fair attitude about life. So that's just me.
Speaker 1: But anyway, okay, so let me get into Lesota's relationship
Speaker 1: with the Center of Applied Rationality. So the relationship source, right,
Speaker 1: And so in November of twenty nineteen, they're holding an
Speaker 1: event in Sonoma County, California, and Lesota, he's twenty eight
Speaker 1: at the time, shows up with those three other people
Speaker 1: and they're all wearing robes in Guy Fawke's masks.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So this is the popular dystopian film Verndetta, right, So
Speaker 1: it's kind of, you know, one of those moments. And
Speaker 1: they proceeded to block the entrance to the grounds. What
Speaker 1: was interesting is that the police were called and the
Speaker 1: four were ultimately charged with the felony of criminal conspiracy
Speaker 1: and five misdemeanors, including false imprisonment. But I believe a
Speaker 1: lot of the sources were talking about SWAT team was
Speaker 1: also called out to the area, so I thought that
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. You can just pick up the phone
Speaker 1: and call SWAT. So the criminal case was still playing out,
Speaker 1: and they had had a lawyer, and then I think
Speaker 1: they fired him, and then they rehired a new lawyer
Speaker 1: called Jerry Friedman, and they sought him out because he
Speaker 1: was vegan, and so this Annie, Jerry Friedman, helped them
Speaker 1: file a federal lawsuit against the retreat facility in Sinoma County.
Speaker 1: And then I believe the deputies that also were responsible
Speaker 1: for detaining them, and that they alleged they were falsely
Speaker 1: arrested while protesting, and Lesota alleged that he was strip
Speaker 1: naked while in custody mocked because he was transgender. So
Speaker 1: of course they the when they, I guess testified. The
Speaker 1: deputies had claimed that these people were speaking incoherently and
Speaker 1: they were not being cooperative, and I think several deputies
Speaker 1: had found flyers in the area that suggested to them
Speaker 1: that the four people were protesting AI and C far
Speaker 1: later to be determined that these members were going to
Speaker 1: be what started the Cizian cult, so to speak.
Speaker 4: Yes, if you want to continue on to the next
Speaker 4: one of the next ones, you have a mirror Borhinian
Speaker 4: aka somni Agensia. If I'm saying that correctly against some
Speaker 4: of them, Like there's one Surrey Dow that I think
Speaker 4: they might be questioning. If there's like three or four
Speaker 4: different names.
Speaker 3: For that motherfucker. So.
Speaker 4: Bohanian was born in South Carolina in nineteen ninety one
Speaker 4: and grew up in North Carolina. He was diagnosed with
Speaker 4: Aspergers in his youth and transitioned to female at the
Speaker 4: age of twenty one. Bohanian exhibited brilliant intelligence as a
Speaker 4: child and started computer programming in sixth grade. A person
Speaker 4: close to Emma remembered that as a teenager, Porhinian would
Speaker 4: scour Google's code and identify mistakes, for which the company
Speaker 4: would pay.
Speaker 3: Her for for him.
Speaker 4: Around two thousand and fifth two twenty thirteen, moved to
Speaker 4: the Bay Area to work officially for Google, first as
Speaker 4: an apprentice and then as a programmer, winning awards for
Speaker 4: the work. During this period, Bohanian lived in various places
Speaker 4: around the Bay Area, including Mountain View, Albany and Berkeley.
Speaker 4: Bohanian later became disillusioned with Google, telling the family or
Speaker 4: her family that the company was corrupt. I grew She
Speaker 4: grew concerned about the threat of AI and started spending
Speaker 4: time with the rationalist community in Berkeley, as well as
Speaker 4: people associated with M I r I, an organization to
Speaker 4: which she donated twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: See how did I even forget that?
Speaker 2: I was?
Speaker 4: I was on a show a few days ago and
Speaker 4: someone's telling me that nobody else connected to IMOL right,
Speaker 4: I was, like, I know there was more than one
Speaker 4: person in that shit, and like this person gave twelve
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, Like, yeah, there was more than one of
Speaker 4: these people were connected to that shit. And I do
Speaker 4: think it's very weird that this place is something's up with.
Speaker 2: It, you know, man? These Uh I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: all autistic people are tranees, but almost every tranny is autistic.
Speaker 2: It is it is fucking interesting, and it is almost weird,
Speaker 2: like a weird weaponize autism where I do think that
Speaker 2: these like because you can see how many people are
Speaker 2: now considered themselves transgender and or call themselves, Uh, what
Speaker 2: the hell is it? Neurotypical as a normal person. What
Speaker 2: do they call themselves? I can't remember, but how many
Speaker 2: people are autistic and or ADHD and or aspergers whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call themselves? Neurodivergent that's the word, right,
Speaker 2: That's what they call themselves. And so many of them, dude,
Speaker 2: have Okay, So to me, it just feels like they
Speaker 2: have been a community that has been created and the
Speaker 2: chemicals do it feels planned to me? How many fucking autistic?
Speaker 2: How many autistic?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 2: And they're there, they're they're they're they're little special soldiers
Speaker 2: right there. Who can Who is going to be able
Speaker 2: to create this AI? You need the autistic community? But
Speaker 2: it is funny because it's like it's a double edged
Speaker 2: weapon because who's going to be able to stop them?
Speaker 2: Are the autas? Are the We need the autistic people, dude.
Speaker 2: I love all you autistic people. I love you guys.
Speaker 2: We need you quick whacking off your wienis, go make
Speaker 2: babies with your goofy selves, and we need you guys
Speaker 2: for the fight against uh, the New World Order and Satan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, it would really help to have those brains
Speaker 4: behind this. Actually, you gotta design some weapons to figure
Speaker 4: out how to fucking shut these things off.
Speaker 2: Man all right, says I'm a special soldier. Hell yeah, buddy,
Speaker 2: we need you, buddy.
Speaker 4: Also, also, do want to say again, even with the
Speaker 4: MRI ri I thing where it says that she donated
Speaker 4: twelve thousand dollars, even MRI's website lists Bohanian's contribution alongside
Speaker 4: much larger donations from Peter Teel's Teal Foundation and even
Speaker 4: Sam Bankman Freeze a.
Speaker 3: La Meter research.
Speaker 4: So through the rationalist community, Bohanian met other Zizians, including
Speaker 4: Zizz Danielson and Alex Leatham, but the foursome soon turned
Speaker 4: into the rash turned turned on the rationalist movement movement,
Speaker 4: accusing it of anti trans beliefs. So I meanists, And
Speaker 4: then like even again, I thought this was just something
Speaker 4: that came from his thing. I'm not saying this guy
Speaker 4: is all that great, but and you know, he did
Speaker 4: like a little bit on them, and he did post
Speaker 4: that u Bohanian posted about the importance of killing Nazis
Speaker 4: and argued repeatedly that killing is central to justify and
Speaker 4: vengeance against evil. That that Bohemian worked as a software
Speaker 4: engineer at Google and lived on the ziz Valeo commune
Speaker 4: up until his death, and he grew up in the Hillsbury,
Speaker 4: North Carolina, and this this is, this is this is
Speaker 4: the weird ship that. Again, I don't know what's really
Speaker 4: up with this case. I do think there's something off here,
Speaker 4: and I even do think people might be playing games,
Speaker 4: especially with the the fake debts and all these different names.
Speaker 4: But whenever you find or I feel like whenever you
Speaker 4: find like these true crime cases that don't make any sense,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people with gofundmes, and you start
Speaker 4: noticing a couple of people popping up with these motherfuckers
Speaker 4: as well, and the family itself this is gangs. The
Speaker 4: family itself fundraised twenty thousand dollars on GoFundMe without disclosing
Speaker 4: what he did that caused him to die. The leftists
Speaker 4: have honored Bohemian for being a trans person killed in
Speaker 4: gun violence. But it's just like you're not even explaining that,
Speaker 4: like they were the problem.
Speaker 2: Probably would have got more money because they hate landlords
Speaker 2: and they hate cops, Like he probably would have got
Speaker 2: some more money.
Speaker 4: It's amazing though, It's like I gotta say that, like
Speaker 4: the song was the problem but you know, we need
Speaker 4: some money.
Speaker 3: Feel bad for it. I don't know. It just seems
Speaker 3: like fucking a silly, kind of funny move.
Speaker 4: Gwen Danielson is considered now a former Zizzy and cult member,
Speaker 4: and while it was widely believed that they died by suicide,
Speaker 4: is actually alive and in hiding from other members of
Speaker 4: the group. Gwenn Denison was thought to have died in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, even by a lawyer representing her in
Speaker 4: an active case, but has instead been lying low at
Speaker 4: an undisclosed location. Danielson, who like many Zizians, is transgender
Speaker 4: and legally became a woman in twenty seventeen according to
Speaker 4: court papers, and still feels for her and still fears
Speaker 4: for her life. According to her father, Brett Danielson, she
Speaker 4: checks in regularly and I've heard from her very recently,
Speaker 4: but she's not ready to come out of hiding just yet,
Speaker 4: her father told the Post, and he says, I'm hoping
Speaker 4: that this allows Gwen to come out of hiding, put
Speaker 4: things behind her and move on, he added. Brett said
Speaker 4: his understanding of why the Zizzians mostly happened to be
Speaker 4: transgender or non binary is that as a part of
Speaker 4: their rationalism interests. They believe taking estrogen. Taking estrogen helps
Speaker 4: lead to clearer thinking. Gwen spoke a lot about the
Speaker 4: difference in the.
Speaker 2: Will have never met a real woman before, and that's
Speaker 2: the problem. Rationals not is and logical, but is not.
Speaker 4: Sorry, we'll see that this explains everything from here on out.
Speaker 4: They were fucking shooting up estrogen. That's why they went nuts, all.
Speaker 2: These goof I almost guarantee you all of them were
Speaker 2: virgins except for when they were like sweaty and gross
Speaker 2: and had sex with each other.
Speaker 3: Motherfuck I looked at them. They got stuck with the summer.
Speaker 4: Fucking Jesus, Well, you know what they did. You know,
Speaker 4: this is an interesting is they did get busted with needles.
Speaker 4: So it is even wondering if they were using the
Speaker 4: needles when uh, I think on the property when they uh,
Speaker 4: when they eventually kind of like looked in the container
Speaker 4: that when they lived on the Lens property, I think
Speaker 4: that there was like needles that they might have found
Speaker 4: in a fucking ultrasum machine. And the people questioning if
Speaker 4: the needles were to inject estrogen at the saucer owner
Speaker 4: or anything like that, so that could be you never know. Uh,
Speaker 4: maybe they took too many milileadies of estrogen that week.
Speaker 2: Oh no, And uh, you know they're definitely taking human
Speaker 2: replacement therapy and stuff like that for sure. Uh Dan
Speaker 2: says it's okay because Liza is not human. Is that true, Liza.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But you know, it's interesting
Speaker 1: that they are vegan yet they're using estrogen when estrogen
Speaker 1: itself is a horrible practice with horses.
Speaker 2: So that's true, dude, Honestly, Like, I was a chef
Speaker 2: for years and I took a when I went to
Speaker 2: culinary school, I had to take a food ethics class,
Speaker 2: and I think my study, or like the project that
Speaker 2: I did, was all about how there is no such
Speaker 2: thing as an ethical vegan because I sat there and
Speaker 2: broke down, like all the byproducts, every single thing that
Speaker 2: you use in the pharmaceutical industry makeup it like grocery.
Speaker 2: No matter what the fuck you're doing, you're using the
Speaker 2: animal byproduct and something has to die so for modern convenience.
Speaker 1: Even on if you're growing stuff to vegans, like crop growth,
Speaker 1: you still maybe you don't consider insects or arthropods to
Speaker 1: be alive or something, but you kill an enormous amount
Speaker 1: of animals, more so than you do with the livestock industry.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. I've worked in so many fields.
Speaker 2: I used to work on farms and stuff, and the
Speaker 2: amount of poor fucking animals that die just harvesting things.
Speaker 2: I saw an entire family of deer get completely mangled
Speaker 2: because when they're when the mom deer has given birth
Speaker 2: and she hazz their babies and stuff. They're just sitting
Speaker 2: there in the hay fields and we're sitting there trying
Speaker 2: to harvest hay and then just like just grabbed a
Speaker 2: whole family, the babies, everything, It just mangled them. That's horrific,
Speaker 2: but it's true when the hay baler just win fucking
Speaker 2: nuts on those anyways. Uh, yeah, there's no way to
Speaker 2: be an ethical vegan. There is tons and tons of
Speaker 2: animals that die, especially like in a if you're like
Speaker 2: growing carrots and lettuce and all this stuff. Do you
Speaker 2: know how many fucking rabbits they fucking murder? You mean,
Speaker 2: gophers and rabbits and all these people. Like, there's there's
Speaker 2: no such thing. Dude, you just quit being a homo
Speaker 2: and eat some meat.
Speaker 4: Ken almost, you know, I'm just gonna like that, all right, Now,
Speaker 4: it's funny.
Speaker 3: I was gonna go off with that some meat. Uh
Speaker 3: all right, next uh.
Speaker 2: Dan says, Nate forgot to Skitzo meds today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, buddy, Alexander Letham Open Vallejo documents report that Lethum
Speaker 5: also lived in Valeo property with Lesda and Bohemian.
Speaker 4: It is alleged that it was Alexander who impaled Curtis
Speaker 4: with the samurai sword. Lynn then fired shots to his attackers,
Speaker 4: wounding Letham. Alexander's charged with attempted murder and murder of
Speaker 4: Curtis Lynde and had survived the first attacked and was
Speaker 4: the key witness in the trial against Lethum and Dow.
Speaker 4: According to additional documents court documents, Lethum and Dow are
Speaker 4: also being charged with the murder of their friend Borhemian.
Speaker 4: Trial is set for Letham and Dow April twid in Solano, Colorado,
Speaker 4: Solano County.
Speaker 1: So to get in a little bit about CFAR, I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of important to kind of cover that
Speaker 1: whole thing. So it's a nonprofit organization that operates out
Speaker 1: of Berkeley, California, and hosts workshops based on this whole
Speaker 1: rationality versus cognitive bias. It was founded in twenty twelve
Speaker 1: by four people and the goal was to improve participants
Speaker 1: rationality using a set of techniques that uses math and
Speaker 1: decision theory and then forming the beliefs about the world
Speaker 1: as accurately as possible. And so this decision theory it
Speaker 1: kind of helps mold these workshops and then apparently claims
Speaker 1: to reduce neuroticism and increase perceived efficiency. So part of
Speaker 1: the rationality movement surrounding at Leasers Yukoskis or Yodokovski's I
Speaker 1: mispronounced that horribly website is less wrong is that this
Speaker 1: is where CFA are originated and some of the advisors
Speaker 1: are Paul Slavic and Keith Stanovich and the group, the
Speaker 1: group that comes out of cfaar they go on to
Speaker 1: teach at the Teal Fellowship as well as Facebook. So
Speaker 1: this is a very important think thing for think tank
Speaker 1: for some of the I guess you could call social
Speaker 1: media that influences a lot of people because they are
Speaker 1: you know, have a lot of members looking at their content.
Speaker 1: One of the founders, Anna Slomon, who founded Cfare, she
Speaker 1: had a little bit of to say about Lesoda, and
Speaker 1: she basically said that there are a lot of young
Speaker 1: people who have had lives the great lives, except that
Speaker 1: they bumped into the network surrounding Lysoda and then you know,
Speaker 1: obviously their lives went awry. Le Soda, according to her,
Speaker 1: didn't come off as a threat when the staff first
Speaker 1: met Lysoda in twenty fourteen, but a month like after
Speaker 1: a month long retreat in twenty eighteen, Lasoda began espousing
Speaker 1: her belief systems with an intensity that unnerved the staffers,
Speaker 1: including Solomon, and Solomon stated that it was then there
Speaker 1: that she become viscerally afraid of Lesoda. So she kind
Speaker 1: of put in a direct quote that's kind of been
Speaker 1: I guess circulated among most of the media is that
Speaker 1: she had said, if you're young and naive and someone
Speaker 1: convinces you that you're really two people, one is good
Speaker 1: and one is sinister, and that the world depends on
Speaker 1: you doing good stuff, that's a powerful step for manipulation.
Speaker 1: So it kind of sounds like, you know, that is kind.
Speaker 2: Of Christianity in a nutshell. The spirit is willing, but
Speaker 2: the flesh is weak. Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, So they began organizing these gatherings in Berkeley,
Speaker 1: and so if you in twenty twelve, and if you
Speaker 1: kind of think about most of these organizations or these
Speaker 1: culture these think tanks, this is kind of a breeding
Speaker 1: ground in this area of California, So you know, kind
Speaker 1: of bear all that in the back of the mind.
Speaker 1: So hundreds of people were in attendance, and the founders
Speaker 1: were seeking to build a community of so called rationalists
Speaker 1: and people committed to using mathematical and logical principles to
Speaker 1: improve the world. Again with the math and the logic.
Speaker 1: Solomon said that we saw ais something that we really
Speaker 1: readily felt, that we really readily felt was important, and
Speaker 1: that it needed to be really really right or it
Speaker 1: would be really really bad, Which was interesting because she
Speaker 1: just criticized Lesoda for bad and good. Yet she's kind
Speaker 1: of espousing the same thing. We didn't know at the time,
Speaker 1: but in hindsight, we were creating conditions for a cult.
Speaker 1: So she's now claiming that they potentially were setting up
Speaker 1: this situation or this place of attendance as a breeding ground.
Speaker 1: So they brought together a large group of young people
Speaker 1: who were open to big ideas about saving humanity, but
Speaker 1: some of them were especially vulnerable to someone who might
Speaker 1: try to manipulate them. And you kind of see this
Speaker 1: with some of these kids. You know, they're young, they're
Speaker 1: you know, brought in because they're geniuses, but they really
Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of interaction with the real world.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just be honest. If you're sero at
Speaker 1: a computer all day long, your interpersonal skills are probably
Speaker 1: less than the person that's constantly out socializing with different
Speaker 1: walks of life. So things that I kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to insert in here very quickly is that one of
Speaker 1: the guys that has provided a lot of funding to
Speaker 1: CFAAR is Yan Tallin, and he would select certain students
Speaker 1: from Estonia and he would pay for their way to
Speaker 1: be sent to these workshops at CFAAR on a scholarship.
Speaker 1: And Yan Talent is the founder of Guy. So what's
Speaker 1: interesting about Estonia is that out of sixty four countries,
Speaker 1: Estonian students rank pretty much first out of all of
Speaker 1: Europe and fifth globally. And so Estonia is kind of
Speaker 1: considered like this world class learning system, and they even
Speaker 1: have an additional educational system where they're you know, outpacing
Speaker 1: everyone else. And this is they I think they took
Speaker 1: a poll and these these kids were like fifteen years
Speaker 1: old and out competing all these people.
Speaker 2: And so Janalin remind me of Vulcans. They have no emotions.
Speaker 2: They're fucking weird. I got a couple of Sonian friends
Speaker 2: man well.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because he picks specifically this place and
Speaker 1: then brings him over to CFAR, right, So it's kind
Speaker 1: of and he himself is a Estonian as well, right,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like, you know, helping you know
Speaker 1: each other. But I thought I would mention that. And
Speaker 1: then also how like there's this collective program to where
Speaker 1: they are collecting the DNA of these students of Estonia
Speaker 1: as well, So it's you know, all encompassing. But so
Speaker 1: Yan Talin himself, as you mentioned, he's an Estonian himself,
Speaker 1: and he was the developer of sky Fast Trek, kazah
Speaker 1: MetaMed and Existential Risk, and so he is one of
Speaker 1: the other prominent figures in the field of AI and
Speaker 1: kind of a leader investor, investor in the advocacy of
Speaker 1: AI safety. Now, who else do we have as an
Speaker 1: advocate for AI safety of Elon Musk we have Peter Tiel.
Speaker 1: You're kind of just like, well, this is kind of curious,
Speaker 1: like why were they protesting them? You would think that
Speaker 1: that that's what they want, right, They should be behind
Speaker 1: them because they're advoca for you know, I guess you know,
Speaker 1: the safety and so to speak. But what's interesting is
Speaker 1: that Yon Elon and Peter they're considered Series A investors, right,
Speaker 1: so they are given first DIBs on almost all these
Speaker 1: types of softwares, all these types of AI, and they're
Speaker 1: the ones kind of investing the most money, and so
Speaker 1: you would think that they themselves are going to probably
Speaker 1: have the most influence. And so that's when you have
Speaker 1: deep Mind coming into play. You have all other things
Speaker 1: that I think deep Mind itself is going to be
Speaker 1: the British American AI that's supposed to be you know,
Speaker 1: big for them over there. One of the other things
Speaker 1: is that Yon the Center for Existential Risk and then
Speaker 1: Nick had a guess on what was it two days
Speaker 1: ago or something like that, they were talking about MetaMed
Speaker 1: and that was launched in twenty twelve by Peter Thiel.
Speaker 1: And so MetaMed is kind of like your medical based
Speaker 1: AI were all these algorithms are input it and basically
Speaker 1: going to dictate you know, way forward for patients and clients.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is that talent has an
Speaker 1: extensive relationship with Teal, Like he got to know the
Speaker 1: Teal Fellowship. He got to know all of you know what,
Speaker 1: what the philosophies were, what was going on, and it
Speaker 1: became such I guess a big deal to them that
Speaker 1: this is where the Teal Fellowship got started, and he
Speaker 1: was present during this moment. Another thing is that Teal
Speaker 1: kind of has this whole practice that he will go
Speaker 1: to universities and pick out certain students that are show
Speaker 1: promise and before they graduate, offer them so much money
Speaker 1: to leave and to come go and work for something
Speaker 1: or doing something and give this a lot of money
Speaker 1: to kind of direct them into this path. So I
Speaker 1: thought I mentioned that too.
Speaker 4: One thing I do like find interesting, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: nothing to it actually, but the fact that this guy
Speaker 4: had because uh, I mean, if you understanded how that
Speaker 4: program worked, I mean you have computers like connecting to
Speaker 4: each other and stuff.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 4: Because that was like if you wanted to exchange like
Speaker 4: music and files back and forth. I mean, it was
Speaker 4: like it was like a huge thing to like download
Speaker 4: pirated music. But it's just like you're connecting like.
Speaker 2: That was the LimeWire kid, you're opening up your.
Speaker 3: Computer, yeah if you're yeah, yeah, it's all the same thing.
Speaker 4: But like sometimes I jake with stuff like that, it's
Speaker 4: like you're opening up your computer to allow them to
Speaker 4: come in. In a sense, like I just you don't
Speaker 4: wonder was there any like peeking into people's ship with that,
Speaker 4: if that would have if that would have benefited this
Speaker 4: man where.
Speaker 3: He is now.
Speaker 2: You know, it's fascinating, dude, because the Internet is one
Speaker 2: of these things that was given to us by the military.
Speaker 2: It was completely made behind the military. That's what the
Speaker 2: dcp IP.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was getting made by the the way our
Speaker 3: internet works. Yeah, you're totally right.
Speaker 2: And it's one of these things that like it was
Speaker 2: a nice way of putting ourselves in chains. They kind
Speaker 2: of handed us to handcuffs and they're like, come on, dummy,
Speaker 2: don't you just uh want to look at some porn?
Speaker 2: I bet you do. You wanna want to buy a dildo?
Speaker 2: Send it to your house and I can have it
Speaker 2: to you in a day. Do you want to rain?
Speaker 2: Do you want an American flag dildough with Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: head on it. I can't have it you twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, That's kind of what the
Speaker 2: Internet was. But your deep, this weird desires you wanna
Speaker 2: fucking I'm gonna learn everything I know I can. I
Speaker 2: can learn everything about you by what you look at
Speaker 2: your the algorithms, like it really was a way for
Speaker 2: us to put ourselves in chains and so all of
Speaker 2: these people. I mean, that's really what this is about.
Speaker 2: Is uh, just us, dude, and our information and giving
Speaker 2: all of our uh all of our ship to them.
Speaker 2: We paid them for this. We paid him for the
Speaker 2: pleasure of being in handcuffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, got some shit.
Speaker 2: Uh, Peter Teal loves it, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure back to Lasota real quick, you know.
Speaker 4: August of twenty twenty two, the US Coast Guard responds
Speaker 4: to a report that Lasoda had fallen out of a
Speaker 4: boat in San Francisco Bay. Nobody is found, that an
Speaker 4: obituary is published, so he has a faked death. In
Speaker 4: August of twenty twenty two, Freeman received word that Lsoda
Speaker 4: was presumed dead after falling off of a boat in
Speaker 4: San Francisco Bay. A brief abit bituary was published in
Speaker 4: Lasoda's hometown paper, the Daily News Minor in Fairbanks the
Speaker 4: following month, and it says in parentheses, Jack Sama Dais
Speaker 4: Lesota left our lives but not our hearts. On August
Speaker 4: nineteenth after a boating accident. It read loving adventure, friends
Speaker 4: and family, music, blueberries, bike, computer games, and animals.
Speaker 3: You are missed.
Speaker 4: Lasoda's lawyer emailed the attorneys for the retreat center informing
Speaker 4: them of the death. There were witnesses and a US
Speaker 4: Coast Guard.
Speaker 2: Search accident like Glene Maxwell's dad right, it's a boding.
Speaker 4: Accident, but the Coast Guard did go in search, but
Speaker 4: nobody was found, Freeman Roch wrote in the email, which
Speaker 4: he shared with NBC News. In November twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: Curtis Linn goes to court seeking to evict Lesoda, Bohemian Letham,
Speaker 4: and others who have been living in the vans and
Speaker 4: box trucks on his property in Vallejo, California for non
Speaker 4: payment of rent. On November fifteenth, two days before the
Speaker 4: eviction deadline, Lynd is impaled with a sword and partially
Speaker 4: blinded in an attack during which he shoots and kills
Speaker 4: Boorhanian concluding that Lynn acted in self defense. Officials charged
Speaker 4: Letham and Surrey Dow with murder. Lsoda is not charged
Speaker 4: but the police, but police report having contacted with her
Speaker 4: at the scene.
Speaker 1: I think one of the important things that people gloss
Speaker 1: over is that so Laisoda fakes his death right and
Speaker 1: then somehow he ends up at the scene with these
Speaker 1: other kids that impay o lend. But yet no one
Speaker 1: is arrested. He's not arrested, he's not taken into custody.
Speaker 1: The only thing that happens is that they notify his
Speaker 1: lawyer that, oh, by the way, he made contact with
Speaker 1: the police, and that's it. I thought faking your death
Speaker 1: was a federal crime. I don't know, but it's not.
Speaker 1: And so we'll go on further until you know, it
Speaker 1: just keeps going. So after Lsoda's apparent death, you know,
Speaker 1: the Curtis lind Is stabbed and he was ambushed a
Speaker 1: couple of times. I believe what had happened was that,
Speaker 1: like he they had asked for him to come over
Speaker 1: to check something, you know that I think they wanted
Speaker 1: him to repair something. Mind you, he was about to
Speaker 1: evict them or they were supposed to move out in
Speaker 1: a few days, and so they ask him to come
Speaker 1: check something, and so he bends down and one of
Speaker 1: them hits him over the head in the back and
Speaker 1: he falls down. And then when according to the testimony
Speaker 1: from court records, is that when he opens his eyes,
Speaker 1: the kids basically or like with knives or whatever, and
Speaker 1: one of them impales him while he's down on the ground,
Speaker 1: and so he quickly grabs his gun and shoots Emma
Speaker 1: and kills her, and then the other ones basically had
Speaker 1: you know, I guess, successfully stabbed him. But what's interesting
Speaker 1: is that these three are the ones that are being
Speaker 1: charged federally for protesting, and all of a sudden one dies. Now,
Speaker 1: as Nick goes on into the story, is that you
Speaker 1: see this happening repeatedly, is that these kids are constantly
Speaker 1: faking their death in that in the event they get arrested,
Speaker 1: in the event they get in trouble, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they fake their death. All of a sudden something happens
Speaker 1: and then whoops, that person died. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that they didn't die, but it's just funny that
Speaker 1: eventually some of them who do fake their death end
Speaker 1: up being found later when law enforcement are called to
Speaker 1: another scene or to another incident.
Speaker 2: That's fascinating. I guess it's a lot easier to fake
Speaker 2: your death than I was imagining.
Speaker 1: Uh, you have a lawyer who's saying, yeah, they died.
Speaker 3: You know you heard a type O negative name. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Peter Still he faked his death twice. One time he
Speaker 4: did it just to get out of a contract with
Speaker 4: the record company.
Speaker 2: Good for him.
Speaker 4: It's not that you'd be surprised how easy it could
Speaker 4: be to make people believe you're actually dead, but for
Speaker 4: the public to believe it, nobody questioned it.
Speaker 2: Uh speaking of Tupac and uh probably uh what's his name?
Speaker 2: And Jeffrey eb Seeing he definitely faked y. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of folks. Yeah, Okay, Jackson, I still think
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson's alive.
Speaker 3: So I do think I do a question that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So around this time, so just to kind of you know,
Speaker 1: the listeners to kind of so Lynn stabbed and two
Speaker 1: of the people, two of the four people involved, supposedly
Speaker 1: you're dead. Lysota is still presumed dead, and then now
Speaker 1: Brhenian is presumed you know, dead because she was shot
Speaker 1: or whatever. So now you only have one person left
Speaker 1: that was involved with the protests and this federal lawsuit
Speaker 1: and is now in jail. And this fourth person, the
Speaker 1: one that I guess was not there. They had stopped
Speaker 1: responding to the attorney's emails and then that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they were oh, they committed suicide. And that
Speaker 1: was according to the court documents, this person had committed suicide.
Speaker 1: So two days after Lynde is attacked, one of Lysoda's
Speaker 1: attorneys receives an email from a deputy district attorney from
Speaker 1: Vallejo area, Yeah, saying that they had contacted Lasota and
Speaker 1: that he had made contact with PD and was unseene
Speaker 1: alive and well, but nothing happens to him and he
Speaker 1: was arrested. No big deal. It just like fell through
Speaker 1: the cracks, really, And so when they say, oh, he
Speaker 1: was found in another era, no, he was found here too.
Speaker 1: It just nobody made a big stink about it.
Speaker 4: So go ahead, Oh, thank you. Surrey Dao one of them.
Speaker 4: Like again before I should have added the other names
Speaker 4: that I found recently. But there is like like two
Speaker 4: or three names that it might be associated with this
Speaker 4: one person. Uh details a slim about Surrey daw one
Speaker 4: of the two people charged in connection with the melee
Speaker 4: lyn'z property. Dao was twenty three, was allegedly part of
Speaker 4: the group who attacked Lynn in November of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: resulting in the death of Bohinian. Dao was taken into
Speaker 4: custody and charged with first degree murder. According to courte
Speaker 4: records reviewed by the San Francisco Chronicle, Doo has allegedly
Speaker 4: been in communication with Zizz since being put into custody.
Speaker 4: Ziz reportedly encouraged Dao to escape from jail, Promptingdao to
Speaker 4: attempt to flee from her cell twenty twenty three, Solano
Speaker 4: County court records show that Doo underwent mental health hearings,
Speaker 4: including testimony from doctors. It appears she was transferred to
Speaker 4: a state hospital to await trial. As she no longer
Speaker 4: appears in the Solano County inmate roster, and not much
Speaker 4: really is known about that. December twenty twenty two, Rider
Speaker 4: and Richard Zacho are shot and killed in their home
Speaker 4: in Chester Heights, Pennsylvania. On New Year's Eve. A neighbor's
Speaker 4: doorbell camera captures audio and video over car pulling up
Speaker 4: to their home. A voice shouting mom and another voice exclaiming,
Speaker 4: oh my god, Oh God God. January twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: police question the Zacho's daughter Michelle at her home in Vermont.
Speaker 4: A few weeks later, officers briefly take her into custody
Speaker 4: at a Pennsylvania hotel, but release her without charges. Jotas,
Speaker 4: staying at the same hotel, is arrested in charge with
Speaker 4: obstructing the homicide investigation and disorderly conduct.
Speaker 2: So is there some folks that are on the run
Speaker 2: right now, and or maybe some of these people nothing
Speaker 2: to charge him on.
Speaker 1: Right Gwindan has not been arrested and is in hiding
Speaker 1: according to her dad.
Speaker 2: But the rest of these guys are just kind of
Speaker 2: out and about being weird traning vegans, thinking that Satan's
Speaker 2: coming about, and they're still actively doing this and there's
Speaker 2: nothing to hold them on. Right again, Let's try to
Speaker 2: get one of these freaks on the show. And that's
Speaker 2: all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so Rita and Richard's echo, just to kind
Speaker 1: of expand upon a little bit of what Nick was saying,
Speaker 1: is that so their bodies were found inside their home
Speaker 1: in Chester Heights, Pennsylvania, dead. So we have Rita, she
Speaker 1: had a gunshot wound to the back of the head,
Speaker 1: and then Richard a bullet wounds the right hand and
Speaker 1: another to this right and they were determined to have
Speaker 1: died two days prior, so they died on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1: So the Pennsylvania State Police said that it was believed
Speaker 1: that it was not a random act of violence. And
Speaker 1: ten days after the bodies were discovered, the state troopers
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania showed up at the Candlewooded Streets near the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Airport and they had a warrant to search the
Speaker 1: room and car of Micheale Zenko, which is the daughter.
Speaker 1: They knocked on her hotel room and took her into
Speaker 1: custodies into custody. Sorry troopers were then looking for a
Speaker 1: handgun believed to be involved. According to court testimony. The
Speaker 1: state trooper Matthew Gibson testified in court that as they
Speaker 1: were leading Michelle out of the hotel, she called out
Speaker 1: to the hotel staff front at the front desk to
Speaker 1: tell to say to tell Daniel Blank that she had
Speaker 1: been detained. The troopers knew that Blank before because they
Speaker 1: had previously interviewed him in connection with the double homicide.
Speaker 1: According to the court testimony went to Blank's room, who
Speaker 1: was also staying at the same hotel, and banged on
Speaker 1: the door. Blank answered, but refused to open the door.
Speaker 1: Gibson testified that because this prompted troopers to return to
Speaker 1: their barracks to seek a search warrant for Blank's room.
Speaker 1: When the troopers returned to Blank's hotel room, they with
Speaker 1: the search warrant and no one responded to the order
Speaker 1: to open the door. Forced the door opened to find
Speaker 1: Blank and a second person hiding in the bathroom. It
Speaker 1: was then the troopers arrested Blank and a second person
Speaker 1: who was identified as Lesoda, and according to the transcripts,
Speaker 1: troopers issued commands to Lesoda, but he didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: He had his eyes closed, he would not speak, and
Speaker 1: he was just lain almost unconscious, as if he were
Speaker 1: dead on the ground, legitly like he was acting like
Speaker 1: he was dead on the ground. So Lysoda was ultimately
Speaker 1: charged with obstructing investigations sorely conduct. According to the criminal complaint,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lunk shot also showing that he
Speaker 1: was playing dead.
Speaker 2: And these were these were the folks that attacked that
Speaker 2: old man.
Speaker 1: One. Lysoda was there on site with the old man.
Speaker 1: These others are not these are these are people that
Speaker 1: were part of the cult, but they were not present
Speaker 1: with with Lynn correct Nix.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a small group of folks, right, this
Speaker 2: Zizzy and Death cult.
Speaker 1: Well, you had two kind of satellites. You have one
Speaker 1: in California and then one on the East Coast.
Speaker 4: The reason they were there for Mozelle Zenko is because
Speaker 4: her father and mother are getting killed, and jack Lesoda
Speaker 4: happened to be there as as well as I think
Speaker 4: Daniel Blank.
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff. I know it's hard to keep up with
Speaker 2: all of them, but how many of them are still
Speaker 2: out and about?
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 4: None they're they're arrested, okay, one one.
Speaker 2: And there's probably some poor SAPs right now that are
Speaker 2: whenever these things happen. It's it's interesting how many copycats
Speaker 2: come in their place, And I think that is maybe
Speaker 2: one of the issues with like sharing things like like
Speaker 2: I don't know how much of this was documented or
Speaker 2: if they had things like a uh, what's the word
Speaker 2: that I'm looking for, like a manifesto or something like
Speaker 2: that that young people could sit there and read and
Speaker 2: kind of you know, get manipulated by.
Speaker 3: Well I do wonder if that's what kind of Zizz's
Speaker 3: blog was about. Do it makes sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, she was definitely trying to push like her
Speaker 4: thoughts on like how people should be in the human
Speaker 4: minds and stuff.
Speaker 2: Because no matter what this idea isn't isn't over, I
Speaker 2: kind of under in a weird way. I kind of
Speaker 2: understand where they're coming from. Uh, they are talking about
Speaker 2: something that's very real. Uh, whether it's going to happen
Speaker 2: the way they think it's going to there's another story altogether.
Speaker 2: But Uh, I don't think that we have seen the last.
Speaker 2: Maybe we've seen the last of the Zizians, But I
Speaker 2: think we're going to see some different different folks talking
Speaker 2: about the same thing as we're moving forward. Yes, maybe
Speaker 2: slightly less gay, maybe slightly less vegan, who knows, But.
Speaker 4: Uh that we'll get into, Uh, we'll get into. Michelle
Speaker 4: Zenko Zacho whatever. She was a bio inform informatician bio
Speaker 4: in for me whatever in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: She was a research intern at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: She analyzed blood samples and psychological data to determine how
Speaker 4: predictive m r na's are of neurobehavioral susceptibility and sleep
Speaker 4: deprived individuals on the NASA Human Research Analog environment. So
Speaker 4: to find that interesting that you know another NASA connect
Speaker 4: Also Yeah, Bioinformatics intern and NASA Aims Research Center in
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen developed in troubleshooted bioinformatics pipelines using high throughput
Speaker 4: biological data and analysis tools, processing raw data and normalizing
Speaker 4: associated metadata for the purpose of understanding spaceflight stresses on
Speaker 4: biological systems. They also went to Temple University Cabrini University
Speaker 4: activities in societies they're involved in led Strong, the High
Speaker 4: Impact Network, which is THINK in Fair Trade activities, the
Speaker 4: Honors program through on the Dean's List twenty twelve and
Speaker 4: president and founder of the Cabrini Chapter of the High
Speaker 4: Impact Network Think Again and ran fundraisers for Against Malaria Foundation,
Speaker 4: a member of Lead Strong and Fair Trade Real Quick
Speaker 4: A little bit just about Think Think the High Impact
Speaker 4: Network as the goals of THINK are to want to
Speaker 4: encourage people to think strategically at about the best ways
Speaker 4: to improve the world, and two to help people interested
Speaker 4: in strategic altruism to organize and take effective action. We
Speaker 4: aim to do this primarily through the development and maintenance
Speaker 4: of a network of college student groups. The student groups
Speaker 4: would focus on helping people to make decisions that benefit
Speaker 4: the world the most when choosing a career, choosing how
Speaker 4: to donate, and choosing what to research and so on, and.
Speaker 2: What an effective altruism. I have not heard a single
Speaker 2: good thing that have been and that is ever come
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 4: And one thing I do like when I add again,
Speaker 4: like that is something I have it here on the
Speaker 4: notes just to make sure I mentioned it again. Sam
Speaker 4: Bakmon Freed is the one who was associated with that
Speaker 4: old phrase kind of or starring it back up, bringing
Speaker 4: back to life.
Speaker 2: That was his excuse for like, yeah, I'm ripping you
Speaker 2: guys to often steal it all your money, but I'm
Speaker 2: doing this for the greater goods, so fuck you like it.
Speaker 2: It's basically his entire fucking attitude. Uh yeah, Sam Bakmon
Speaker 2: Freed is a piece of shit, And I haven't maybe
Speaker 2: maybe I'm too dumb to understand affective altruism. Uh, but
Speaker 2: you know what, I have seen a lot of great
Speaker 2: things people want to look up, like micro philanthropy, where
Speaker 2: like there's some folks that do this where they're like, Hey,
Speaker 2: here's a family in Africa and all they need is
Speaker 2: like two hundred dollars in American money. They're going to
Speaker 2: fix their roof and it's going to do this like
Speaker 2: and then you can see it happen in real life.
Speaker 2: They make a video the next day, like they build
Speaker 2: the fucking the dude's roof. Like, micro philanthropy, to me,
Speaker 2: is where it's at. Like whenever I give money away,
Speaker 2: I'm not giving it to the Red Cloth, to the
Speaker 2: Red Cross, those child molesters, I'm not giving it. Am
Speaker 2: I giving it to any in those places? Micro philanthropy
Speaker 2: is where it's at. Dude. Yeah, no, this effective altruism
Speaker 2: is completely crap, dude. And I almost feel bad for
Speaker 2: some of these Zizians, like as you're describing them, like
Speaker 2: thinking that they were going to change the world, thinking
Speaker 2: they were going to do some good and then like
Speaker 2: going to work for Google and realizing, oh wait, Google
Speaker 2: is this like multinational fucking corporation that is actually like
Speaker 2: eating people alive and using people's data to enslave them.
Speaker 2: And they feel guilty about it and they're like, actually
Speaker 2: Google's evil. Uh huh, Google is evil? Like these people
Speaker 2: were so like I think that's why I feel for
Speaker 2: some of these Zizians is because they were true believers,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they really believed what they
Speaker 2: were doing was good. Obviously, were they flowed, were they
Speaker 2: a little special? Were they fucking taken advantage of? And uh,
Speaker 2: you know it's kind of sad, dude, I kind of
Speaker 2: I kind of feel bad for these folks.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I get it definitely being exploded.
Speaker 3: Real quick too.
Speaker 4: I just want to mention, uh, the against Malaria that's
Speaker 4: even like a candidate's in Canada and Germany and party
Speaker 4: a part of GiveWell and the owner is Rob Mather,
Speaker 4: And I mean basically they go and supposedly their their
Speaker 4: partners with the International Red Cross and they go and
Speaker 4: you know, put out in nets to help people not
Speaker 4: get malaria.
Speaker 3: Daniel Arthur Blank, he was another one in here.
Speaker 4: Daniel Blank was born in Berkeley, California and always excelled
Speaker 4: in school, earning straight a's.
Speaker 1: One thing that should also be mentioned is that a
Speaker 1: lot of these people that were attending CFA are and
Speaker 1: then some of the Zizzy and people, they were donating
Speaker 1: a lot of money to this against Malaria almost like
Speaker 1: and they were donating it before this whole Zizien situation happened.
Speaker 1: So you almost wonder if there is somewhere that is
Speaker 1: pushing for these organizations to be donated too. And so,
Speaker 1: like Nick said, if Sam Bagman Freed is you know,
Speaker 1: pushing the malaria thing. And you're getting these tech people
Speaker 1: who are making a whole bunch of money because they're
Speaker 1: in the tech industry, that's where they get their money,
Speaker 1: and they're convincing these students or these these young people
Speaker 1: to donate their money to these organizations. And two of them,
Speaker 1: at least from the Zizzians, were donating money to against malaria.
Speaker 1: So just thought I'd insert.
Speaker 3: That thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: David Blake was born in Berkeley, California, and always excelled
Speaker 4: in school, learning straight a's and praise from his teachers.
Speaker 3: His mother, Naddia.
Speaker 4: Blank, told Open Vallejo he competed on Science Bowl team
Speaker 4: throughout middle and high school and was fluent in three languages.
Speaker 4: She said, Blank, who became a vegan in college, graduated
Speaker 4: a semester early from the University of California, Berkeley with
Speaker 4: a double major in bioengineering and computer science, according to
Speaker 4: a resume posted on his LinkedIn profile, and as an undergraduate,
Speaker 4: he conducted research for two Berkeley professors in an interned
Speaker 4: at Oracle and Daphnel Lambs. Blank's mother said he accepted
Speaker 4: a high paying corporate offer in Oakland following graduation. Daniel
Speaker 4: Blank's parents told Open Vallejo in an interview Monday that
Speaker 4: they believed their son's involvement with the group may be
Speaker 4: a result of brainwashing. He is not a violent person,
Speaker 4: said his father, Alexander Blank. I don't think that Daniel
Speaker 4: actually did anything really wrong, except maybe being with the
Speaker 4: wrong people. Public records show he's never listed Sacramento as
Speaker 4: a home address. Maryland court record show the home address
Speaker 4: he gave authorities after he was taken into cust the
Speaker 4: Sunday is actually a private mailbox station on Rockingham Drive
Speaker 4: in Rancho Cordova. The representative for the firm told that
Speaker 4: the told the Sacramento be on Thursday that Blank had
Speaker 4: rented a virtual mailbox for three months last year, never
Speaker 4: having stepped foot in the business. He did everything online,
Speaker 4: said the representative. Blank had rented the box to have
Speaker 4: mail received at a physical location and sent to him
Speaker 4: electronically and some I can't find exactly how I get
Speaker 4: a little confused. But in Maryland in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: supposedly faked his death, and I think that was just
Speaker 4: by him kind of like just disappearing.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, claimed.
Speaker 3: Go ahead. Sorry.
Speaker 1: So in June of twenty twenty three, Lesoda is released
Speaker 1: from custody after posting for a ten thousand dollars bail.
Speaker 1: He failed to return to court and the judge then
Speaker 1: issued a bench warrant. Friedman said, which was the attorney
Speaker 1: said that he hadn't heard from Leisota since twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two and had no idea where he was. And Friedman
Speaker 1: had said, I represent vegans. We believe in non violence
Speaker 1: kind of in this whole like mantra type deal. Both
Speaker 1: Blanken Zenko had not been charged in connection with the
Speaker 1: double homicide at this point, even though they had been,
Speaker 1: you know, done all that in the situation in the hotel.
Speaker 1: So wanted to kind of get into Felix Ophelia Buckholt.
Speaker 1: So in July of twenty twenty three, Felix Buckholt, to
Speaker 1: kind of give you a little bit of background on
Speaker 1: her refer she begins renting half a duplex in Chapel Hill,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Buckholt, who is now dead. She was the
Speaker 1: one that had the work visa from Germany and went
Speaker 1: on to University of Waterloo. And one of the things
Speaker 1: with University of Waterloo, this university has a high amount
Speaker 1: of students who excel or considered geniuses in computer information
Speaker 1: systems to go to the University of Waterloo, and the
Speaker 1: University of Waterloo is where a large pool of students
Speaker 1: will be pulled from Peter Thiel to basically leave the
Speaker 1: university and go work for somewhere else and they will
Speaker 1: give them large sums of money. And then a lot
Speaker 1: of students from the University of Waterloo are kind of
Speaker 1: known for contributing a lot of I guess technological investments
Speaker 1: in software AI and stuff like that. So it's a
Speaker 1: big deal. University award was a big big university for that.
Speaker 1: Ophelia grew up in Germany where he was in mathematics,
Speaker 1: was kid winning awards and accolades and scholarships both in
Speaker 1: math and computer science at the national level. The university
Speaker 1: media release from twenty nineteen said that Buckholt was a
Speaker 1: member of the school's team that competed at the William
Speaker 1: Lowell Pootnam mathematical competition annual contest for universities in Canada
Speaker 1: and the United States, and it's one it's considered one
Speaker 1: of the most world prestigious math contests. So we have
Speaker 1: this math whiz. They're German. They went to a high
Speaker 1: school in Germany. They win a national mathematical competition, be
Speaker 1: and our champions, and then you go on to win
Speaker 1: more medals internationally. And they attend the high school that's
Speaker 1: considered the most prestigious in the world and wins a
Speaker 1: coding contest coding like computer coding. So Buckholt's LinkedIn entry
Speaker 1: said that he studied pure mathematics, and online records show
Speaker 1: that he was involved in the university's computer science club
Speaker 1: as an executive member, although fellow executive members of the
Speaker 1: club at the time said Buckhold was not well known
Speaker 1: for not well known there, others did know that he
Speaker 1: was there. And so one of the things that sticks
Speaker 1: out of Ophelia Felix is that they earned a scholarship
Speaker 1: for pure mathematics to the University of Waterloo, which I
Speaker 1: believe they say is kind of hard. And the friends
Speaker 1: considered her passionate, a passionate math student and was fun
Speaker 1: and positive and was an active member of the science club,
Speaker 1: the Computer Science Club, Pure Math, and that she was
Speaker 1: considered one of those people that reads math textbooks for fun, right,
Speaker 1: or they do math on chalkboard for fun. So in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen Facebook posts she had donated five thousand to
Speaker 1: the Malaria Foundation. So this is where you know, we
Speaker 1: see that malaria kind of coming in there. And then
Speaker 1: she goes on to graduate in twenty nineteen. So after
Speaker 1: this she interns an elite trading firm, and then after
Speaker 1: that she graduates with honors. And then it's at this
Speaker 1: point when she graduates that she has then transitioned to
Speaker 1: female after college. So something happened after college is she
Speaker 1: then transitions.
Speaker 4: And according to the news outlets, Buckholtz, now deleted LinkedIn
Speaker 4: profile says he in New York office of Tower Research Capital,
Speaker 4: the high frequency trading firm. He joined Tower in October
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty one, following two years at radex Trading.
Speaker 4: His current job at the time of the shooting on
Speaker 4: his profile was a quantitative trader at Tower Research Capital
Speaker 4: in New York City. Calls and emails from national posts
Speaker 4: to Tower asking for information about Buckholt and to confirm
Speaker 4: his position have gone unanswered though, But that's what was
Speaker 4: on there.
Speaker 2: You know. It sounds shitty to say this, but and
Speaker 2: I kind of alluded to this earlier. It's like people
Speaker 2: that have two high IQs that they're just too smart
Speaker 2: for their own good. There are folks that will sit
Speaker 2: there because I have a few friends that are just
Speaker 2: like this, that they will sit there and pontificate on
Speaker 2: certain ideals and different ideas there aren't applicable in this world, uh,
Speaker 2: that aren't realistic in our world that we're in right now.
Speaker 2: At some point, it kind of it kind of takes
Speaker 2: their entire lives, you know. They they sit there and
Speaker 2: they spend time on questions that aren't ever going to
Speaker 2: be answered and couldn't be in the first place, because
Speaker 2: sometimes the questions are like they're not real, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And these people it's kind of it's
Speaker 2: kind of sad, like I'm sure we're uh Ophelia, where
Speaker 2: Felix was a very bright person and if they had
Speaker 2: been seared in the correct, you know direction, they could
Speaker 2: have really helped humanity, and uh, they kind of get
Speaker 2: stuck in this like rationalist circle jerk of like mental
Speaker 2: gymnastics that doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is a classic case of this,
Speaker 1: because you know, she she's at the top of her game,
Speaker 1: you know, in math, in computers. I mean, she's winning
Speaker 1: all these accolades. She goes to university, she's on full ride.
Speaker 1: I mean, now she's working at a New York City firm.
Speaker 1: She's like leveraging mathematical like complex models for investment opportunities.
Speaker 1: She's also making like half a million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: So she's like just at the top of her game.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, like according to her
Speaker 1: roommate says that it just like turns and she's now
Speaker 1: always on the phone. She's always whisking off every other
Speaker 1: weekend on the plane. Nobody knows where she's going, she's
Speaker 1: heard from, or she's not even answering her text from
Speaker 1: her friends anymore. So she had it seemed like she
Speaker 1: had this friend base. But then they also mentioned that
Speaker 1: her house was also prior to all this was a
Speaker 1: place where other I guess gender to female had started
Speaker 1: to I guess congregate, right, and so and then I
Speaker 1: guess you have the you know, kind of breakaway, and
Speaker 1: she is now all into the whole Zizian thing. And
Speaker 1: I believe she was the actual benefactor. I think in
Speaker 1: that if she's making that much money, you know, this
Speaker 1: is where you know, people say, well, how did they move?
Speaker 1: How did they acquire all of this stuff? You know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about coding people. They probably you know, borderline hackers,
Speaker 1: if not full on hackers. But you have Ophelia who's
Speaker 1: making a lot of money. And I mean you don't
Speaker 1: have to wonder where most of the money was coming from.
Speaker 1: It was probably coming from her. She was probably the
Speaker 1: benefactor itself. And you know she would just.
Speaker 2: About a million dollars a year is a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And they said that she wasn't ever living
Speaker 1: outside of her means either, so she had bank like
Speaker 1: she wasn't spending it on really anything until she just
Speaker 1: ends up taking a flight out of New York in
Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty three, and she's ever heard from again.
Speaker 1: She cuts off all contact with her friends and her
Speaker 1: her family.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, this is kind of sounding a lot
Speaker 2: like who's the guy that went and shot the the
Speaker 2: insurance ceo? Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What's also a handsome little homo. What's his name?
Speaker 1: Uh, I can't remember his name.
Speaker 2: But like this sounds like it because his last his
Speaker 2: last like six months to year, like all of his
Speaker 2: friends saying like he just was on the phone all
Speaker 2: the time, just kind of disappeared, wouldn't answer, uh any
Speaker 2: friends or family, just kind of self isolated. Leonardo is
Speaker 2: not Is that what his name is? Luigi Luigi? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it's really sad. Sorry, yeah, man, uh yeah, it's
Speaker 2: honestly really tragic listening, uh listening to this stuff because
Speaker 2: they did have, especially the last one we were just
Speaker 2: talking about. Uh, they were set many they could have
Speaker 2: had the best life ever Ophelia was or Felix. They
Speaker 2: had everything going.
Speaker 4: For you had the world by the balls, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: straight up. You know this is something I'm not saying
Speaker 4: it came from that person, but you know I had
Speaker 4: even wondered too, Like when you're still hearing about like
Speaker 4: it's a bunch of these got a bunch of them
Speaker 4: got out of prison when their ball got dropped out
Speaker 4: to tank grand like even motherfuckers couldn't afford rant.
Speaker 3: How'd you get out?
Speaker 2: That was an interesting thing about side note that I
Speaker 2: had heard about that that they had been living at
Speaker 2: that folks, that that old man's property. What was that
Speaker 2: North Carolina?
Speaker 3: They California?
Speaker 1: Where was that California, California.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, man. Anyways, I've had too much drink.
Speaker 2: So they'd been living on that old man's property, right,
Speaker 2: and that was like during and they had been paying
Speaker 2: them and during the COVID times is when they they
Speaker 2: got the opportunity to quit paying their rent and they
Speaker 2: just wanted to keep going with that. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of what caused that. Uh that kerfufflefle Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good way of putting it.
Speaker 2: It's just a little kerfuffle.
Speaker 4: Uh all right, Uh here we got Teresa Young Blutz.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: May twenty twenty four, Teresa Young Blutz parents re bought
Speaker 4: her missing in Seattle after she sends her mother emails
Speaker 4: saying she has moved in with a friend and changed
Speaker 4: her number.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not pro tranny, but she does look
Speaker 2: cuter as a girl. Maximilian Snyder was not a cute guy.
Speaker 2: She looks cute with the pink air. Actually, here you go,
Speaker 2: did you have max?
Speaker 3: They almost look like they'd be the same person.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah, Teresa Young Blut University off.
Speaker 3: She went to University of Washington.
Speaker 4: She attended the prestigious Lakeside School in North Seattle.
Speaker 2: November, she prescedure schools always lots of money. This is
Speaker 2: this is the connecting factors here. Always top of their class,
Speaker 2: very high intellect. It's almost like a smart dog can
Speaker 2: be trained better than a dumb one.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: They like these, They like these smart little fucking dummies
Speaker 2: from affluent families that they can really manipulate. Yeah, always, always, always.
Speaker 4: In uh November, she applied for a marriage license with
Speaker 4: Maximilian Snyder. Maximilian Snyder, who is facing charging different people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, before even when I joked, had even joked. And
Speaker 3: so they do look like they.
Speaker 2: A million in trance. I was like, man, Max looks
Speaker 2: cute over there on the right. He's like, man, he's
Speaker 2: doing it right.
Speaker 1: So Resa is the ones in the center, the two
Speaker 1: center photographs, the one with a mask and then the
Speaker 1: one down here.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a blow up. I was like, Maximilian be
Speaker 2: looking good. Actually he did the right thing off.
Speaker 1: And I don't, I don't did have they transitioned? Nick?
Speaker 1: Have you read anywhere that they've transitioned.
Speaker 3: I think so, I don't know. Actually I couldn't tell
Speaker 3: you honestly.
Speaker 4: Oh all right, yeah, it's all right, uh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4: And Maximilia Snyder, who is facing charges of fatally stabbing
Speaker 4: a man in northern California.
Speaker 3: Notably, Snyder is also an alumni.
Speaker 4: Of Lakeside School. November twenty twenty four, young Blood Maximilian
Speaker 4: Snyder applied for a marriage license in Washington State. Also
Speaker 4: this month, young Blood begins renting a condo near Buckholtz
Speaker 4: in North Carolina. And again Maximian desided just mentioned a
Speaker 4: little bit about his background. He was an alumni of
Speaker 4: Lakeside School. Snyder went on to study philosophy and computer
Speaker 4: science at the University of Oxford in the UK. According
Speaker 4: to his Lincoln Page, he was in Stanford at twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: and more recently he lived in a condo in Kirkland,
Speaker 4: northeast of Seattle that is owned by his mother. Both
Speaker 4: Youngbud and Buckhole were renting separate units in the same
Speaker 4: Chapel Hill, North Carolina neighborhood. The owner of the properties,
Speaker 4: who requested anonymity due to safety concern noted that Buckholt
Speaker 4: had been renting one unit via Airbnb since July of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, before moving to a second unit later
Speaker 4: that year. Young Holt began renting a Young Blood began
Speaker 4: renting her unit in November twenty twenty four and paid
Speaker 4: nearly ten grand to extend her stay until the end
Speaker 4: of March.
Speaker 1: All right, so young Blood and buckhol they check into
Speaker 1: this hotel in Vermont on January fourteen. So this is
Speaker 1: all culminating to know the Board of Patrol incident, and
Speaker 1: so investigators put the pair under surveillance after a hotel
Speaker 1: worker reports concerns about their old black tactical clothing and
Speaker 1: the gun young Blood was carrying, and I believe that
Speaker 1: she was carrying it on the outside of herself. In Vermont,
Speaker 1: I believe does not have open carry laws. So in
Speaker 1: January twenty twenty five, hotel employee basically calls reports them
Speaker 1: to law enforcement. And this is like the Newport city
Speaker 1: in Swedes. So they so you have Buckholt, who's a
Speaker 1: German national, and thenteris the young Blood. Right, So buckhold
Speaker 1: had been missing for a year. Remember she takes a plane,
Speaker 1: she takes off, cuts off contact. So she's been missing
Speaker 1: for a year and New York friends have basically stopped
Speaker 1: trying to contact her. So in January seventeenth, lind the landlord,
Speaker 1: so going back to California. On January seventeen, Lynn the
Speaker 1: landlord in California is killed. Okay, Snyder is charged with murder,
Speaker 1: and prosecutors allege that he was trying to prevent Linde
Speaker 1: from testifying against them because remember he they had attacked him.
Speaker 1: So Lynn's death occurs three days prior to the war
Speaker 1: patrol shootout. And so then we have January twentieth, US
Speaker 1: Border Patrol officers pull young Blood and Buckholt over on
Speaker 1: the Interstate ninety one in Comentry, Vermont. Agent David Molland
Speaker 1: and Buckholt are killed in a shootout. Young Blood, who
Speaker 1: is wounded, is in charge with the firearms charge. So
Speaker 1: it's not until January twentieth of this year when she's
Speaker 1: when I guess she makes news and that she is
Speaker 1: shot dead in a gun battle with the Border Patrol agents.
Speaker 1: And so what basically they say happened is at the
Speaker 1: age just pulled over Buckle's car and it was like
Speaker 1: doing a routine traffic stop. But then there's other media outlets.
Speaker 1: Nick correct me if I'm wrong. How they say it
Speaker 1: was a routine traffic stock, but then it might have
Speaker 1: been some sort of immigration check of sorts or whatever,
Speaker 1: and that young Butld is in the back and pulls
Speaker 1: a gun and opens fire on these agents. The agent's
Speaker 1: fire back, but Hold pulls out another.
Speaker 2: Pink hair was the one that busted out the gap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they said that, like it was almost like that
Speaker 4: robotic is you know, because we're going back to AI,
Speaker 4: but it was almost like almost like zero fox and
Speaker 4: like knew what's knew what it was doing and like
Speaker 4: just got out.
Speaker 3: And just pulled out inside of blasting.
Speaker 2: Soon some mk ultra mind control. That's what it sounds
Speaker 2: like to me.
Speaker 1: Because if you're thinking about these these kids in there constantly,
Speaker 1: you know, in computers, you don't perceive them as going
Speaker 1: to the shooting range and practicing, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: consider them to be doing that. I wouldn't meet personally.
Speaker 1: But the fact that some of the FBI, after David's
Speaker 1: testimony says, like Nick had said that it was almost
Speaker 1: you know, they knew exactly what they were doing, had
Speaker 1: all kinds of confidence in doing what they were doing.
Speaker 1: So buck hole Teresa on what had been under surveillance
Speaker 1: for several days prior because of how they were dressed.
Speaker 1: To me, why are you dressed like that? Why are
Speaker 1: you putting your gun outs? Are you trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: lure attention? Because I would think the whole premise is
Speaker 1: to get away, to evade detection, right, so you can
Speaker 1: continue doing what you're doing. But for some reason, you
Speaker 1: show up in cosplay this whole thing. Yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Well, that.
Speaker 2: Also goes back to that like game theory right where
Speaker 2: they say, like, hey, if somebody attacks you, you attack
Speaker 2: them back with full force, like ready to fucking smite them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these people have like a victim complex. They're already kind
Speaker 2: of have that kind of that headspace. There's probably like
Speaker 2: a good amount of paranoia that's like feeding this like
Speaker 2: bizarre behavior that they have. They probably think the government
Speaker 2: is gunning for him when they don't even know who
Speaker 2: these fucking freaks are, and so like that definitely aids
Speaker 2: to like, yes, she should have chilled the fuck out
Speaker 2: and not a fucking bull the gun out and shot somebody.
Speaker 2: But they're they've lost it at this point, they're.
Speaker 1: Fucking You bring up a good point it's game theory.
Speaker 1: So are they pretending, are they modeling, are they simulating?
Speaker 1: Are they testing the limits here? Is that what they're doing?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if they shut and killed
Speaker 2: the board patrol agents, so I don't think they did
Speaker 2: anything wrong in Minecraft.
Speaker 1: So the guns that were found on them after shooting
Speaker 1: was purchased by someone purporting to be a resident of Orleans, Vermont,
Speaker 1: from a licensed firearm dealer in Mountainboor, Vermont, last February.
Speaker 1: According to Pennsylvania State Police, the firearm used in the
Speaker 1: Vermont incident was purchased by a person of interests in
Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty two the murders of Richard and
Speaker 1: rita's Anko Inchester Heights, Pennsylvania. So this is probably the
Speaker 1: same same guns that are being used. Both young Blood
Speaker 1: and the gun purchaser had been in regular contact with
Speaker 1: an individual link to Pennsylvania investigation who is also considered
Speaker 1: a person of interest in separate homicide case in California,
Speaker 1: as detailed by US Attorney Michael Treasher in court documents,
Speaker 1: and that person, the prosecution MOMO says, is a person
Speaker 1: of interest in a dual homicide investigation in Delaware County, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: so that person you know, all three different ones has
Speaker 1: their name all over them.
Speaker 4: Buckole flew into the United States and the hours preceding
Speaker 4: that Pennsylvania homicide, both the defendant and the person who
Speaker 4: purchased the firearms in or acquainted with and have been
Speaker 4: in frequent contact with an individual who is detained by
Speaker 4: the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania during that homicide investigation. That individual
Speaker 4: is also a person of interest in a homicide investigation
Speaker 4: of Aalo, California, the prosecutor's memo says. The government motion
Speaker 4: says young Blood had traveled internationally in each of the
Speaker 4: previous three years, although no information on which country or
Speaker 4: country's has provided. The FBI also sees the journal that
Speaker 4: allegedly belonged to young Blood. This is interesting. It contains
Speaker 4: sections written in cipher text, which is encoded messages that
Speaker 4: need an algorithmic key to encode to decode. Some portions
Speaker 4: that agents can read include phrases suggesting that hoollucinogenic drug use,
Speaker 4: prosecutors say, including coming up on acid in parentheses and
Speaker 4: then in parentheses. Not really sure what to spend this
Speaker 4: trip on. This LSD trip seems pretty mellow, and they
Speaker 4: feel kind of high vibration y, maybe more so than
Speaker 4: other LSD trips. So this is stuff that they, you know,
Speaker 4: they could decode. The couple raised alarm when seeing when
Speaker 4: scenes skulking around the small town Vermont, dressed in black
Speaker 4: tactical gear. Young What was also wearing an exposed pistol
Speaker 4: and a holster. According to an FBI criminal complaint, open
Speaker 4: carrier of a firearm is legal in Vermont, but it
Speaker 4: added to a concern in a hotel clerk in Londonville, Vermont,
Speaker 4: the village forty five kilometers south of the shooting. Uh
Speaker 4: police said the couple didn't talk much with officers who
Speaker 4: came to speak to them, and they checked out of
Speaker 4: the hotels soon after their contact with officers. According to
Speaker 4: a criminal complaint by FBI special agent, the pair traveled
Speaker 4: north and instead spent the night. In the next five
Speaker 4: days in Newport, got records revealed that young Blood and
Speaker 4: Buckled had been under surveillance for several days.
Speaker 3: Leading up to the January twentieth shootout.
Speaker 4: They sort Buckle by rolls of ammunition rolls of aluminum
Speaker 4: foil at Walmart and then sit in the couple's car
Speaker 4: wrapping unidentified items and foil sheets. The FBI later found
Speaker 4: foil wrapped cell phones at the scene of the shooting.
Speaker 4: Court documents say the FBI found guns and ammunition, as
Speaker 4: well as an odd assortment of tactical and computing gear,
Speaker 4: with the couple full fests, full face respirators, night vision goggles,
Speaker 4: ballistic helmet, shooting range targets, several computer and electronic electronic devices,
Speaker 4: and a journal. And they know again, like I had
Speaker 4: mentioned today, I had found from like another news link
Speaker 4: that came from somebody else's coverage on this that they
Speaker 4: even said that they did find syringes and an ultrasam machine.
Speaker 3: Uh, Aphelia.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You always do wonder with groups like this. You always
Speaker 2: hear about, like, you know, the amount of ammunition that
Speaker 2: they had and or weapons that they had, and you
Speaker 2: always kind of wonder where the fuck did these freaks
Speaker 2: get this?
Speaker 3: You don't need baby, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Etsy, Uh yeah, Aphilia Ophelia Buckle. While the
Speaker 4: FBI said has work visa was current, earlier reports suggest
Speaker 4: that I had expired in emotion, seeking to have young
Speaker 4: blood detained prior to trial. US attorney Michael Dresher alleged
Speaker 4: that she and Buckle might be linked to other people
Speaker 4: suspected and violent acts. February twenty twenty five, the FBI
Speaker 4: searches the Chapel Hill property where a landlord says young Blood,
Speaker 4: Buckled and Lesda have been living earlier this winter. February sixteenth,
Speaker 4: or twenty twenty five, Lsda, Jacko, and Blank were arrested
Speaker 4: in Frostburg, Marlin on Sunday afternoon. The blogger Jackalosodith of Berkeley, California,
Speaker 4: along with Michelle Zacho of Media Pennsylvania, and Daniel Blank
Speaker 4: of Sacramento, California, face charges including trespassing, obstructing and hindering,
Speaker 4: and possessions a possession of a handgun in a vehicle.
Speaker 4: At the time of their arrest, they were dressed in
Speaker 4: black and two war gun belts holding ammunition. According to police,
Speaker 4: a rifle was found in the back of one truck
Speaker 4: and a handgun on the front floorboard. Zacho, who refused
Speaker 4: to put her hands behind her back, was taken up
Speaker 4: to the ground. She was also carrying a handgun. A
Speaker 4: Maryland court. Maryland court has ordered a blogger known as Ziz,
Speaker 4: who leads as a coult Life group connected to six
Speaker 4: killings to be held without bail. Teresa Youngblood has has
Speaker 4: pleaded not guilty to federal firearm charges, and the Zizz's lawyer,
Speaker 4: Daniel mc garrigle, whoever, declined to comment. Attempts to reach
Speaker 4: lawyers for Zacho and Blank we're not successful. And that
Speaker 4: is really about it.
Speaker 3: That is it.
Speaker 4: There you go, there's like a little map to to
Speaker 4: give you a little bit of the idea of the
Speaker 4: people got killed.
Speaker 2: Jack Milisoda right there.
Speaker 4: Is himself, Boyhanian killed in self defense that he got
Speaker 4: to hear again. Aphelia, it's a shame that of question,
Speaker 4: the one that the cash cow, the one that got killed.
Speaker 2: Interesting, man, where where do you think it comes? Where
Speaker 2: do you think it goes from here? I like to
Speaker 2: think about the overall idea too. I mean, because like
Speaker 2: I said before, like they may have knocked down this,
Speaker 2: but I think we're going to see more, folks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you I was just well, one
Speaker 4: thing that I found interesting with this case, I mean,
Speaker 4: fucking you're just weird connections with like NASA and some
Speaker 4: of the stuff that.
Speaker 3: They were into.
Speaker 4: But uh, the last two years, I mean listen, I'm
Speaker 4: not like it is what it is. There has been
Speaker 4: a lot of people of this identity that I've been
Speaker 4: doing some weird crimes.
Speaker 2: Or s right, dude, Like back in the day, there
Speaker 2: was like a meme where there was a meme where
Speaker 2: they'd be like, uh, hey, there was a mass shooting
Speaker 2: and then there'd be a picture of Betty White and
Speaker 2: you're like, Betty's white, right, that's like the it's like
Speaker 2: the joke because there was always some little, you know,
Speaker 2: in cell, little white kid that was shooting people, doing
Speaker 2: the mass shootings whatever it was. But now it's like
Speaker 2: better Betty's trance Like that is kind of the meme
Speaker 2: at this point where I guess it still is a
Speaker 2: straight white guy. Well I don't know that's straight, but
Speaker 2: it is. It's still a little white kid. Uh that's
Speaker 2: been manipulated. Yeah, there's a lot of well sometimes it's
Speaker 2: ladies too. It's some there's a been a few of those, right.
Speaker 2: They get them on tea and get them all agro
Speaker 2: and then they give them a gun and they go
Speaker 2: kill little Christian kids.
Speaker 4: No, I definitely think we might see more of this stuff.
Speaker 4: My opinion, I you know, not to get due conspiratorial,
Speaker 4: But I do think there might be a possibility with
Speaker 4: just like targeting these individuals and they might actually be
Speaker 4: kind of like being turned into assassins.
Speaker 3: I do wonder about.
Speaker 4: That, especially the people that are especially just like some
Speaker 4: of the places that they go back to and the
Speaker 4: people that are involved with those companies.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 2: A lot of times it feels like these are experiments
Speaker 2: where they're like trying out new shit and they're they
Speaker 2: kind of I mean to me, almost all the serial
Speaker 2: killers too, especially like in the sixties, seventies, eighties, all
Speaker 2: those people there that was an extension of the mk
Speaker 2: Ultra program and kind of screwing with people's heads and
Speaker 2: kind of seeing what would happen, just kind of allowing
Speaker 2: things to happen, and when they would get caught, they
Speaker 2: would like, I mean, that's always for me, is like
Speaker 2: Charles Manson, how many times he was like he was
Speaker 2: on like parole and he'd be like caught with drugs
Speaker 2: and underage girls and they'd be like, oh, you're fine, dude,
Speaker 2: go ahead. It is interesting, dude. Uh. But like the
Speaker 2: overarching like like psyop in all of this is about
Speaker 2: the AI, Like how much of this do you think
Speaker 2: is real. How much credience do you give this?
Speaker 3: That's another thing.
Speaker 1: So you want to take that, Lisa, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: yes to your question. I think that this is somewhat well.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it could be a show trial.
Speaker 1: It could be a show type incident to where all
Speaker 1: of the attention is being directed to or misguided into
Speaker 1: a totally different situation. But when you look at the
Speaker 1: people who are funding these think tanks, and you're looking
Speaker 1: at who basically funded some of these scholarships to these
Speaker 1: major universities, you're looking at people who now have high
Speaker 1: ranking government contracts into law enforcement and predictive programming and
Speaker 1: predictive minority report to where you're looking now at surveillance.
Speaker 1: You're looking at now data collection on DNA and other
Speaker 1: type of medical type of information so to speak. And
Speaker 1: you look at that and you're like, Okay, well, you know,
Speaker 1: how are they going to be in a position to
Speaker 1: make the most informed decision when they own all of
Speaker 1: not they own, but they possess most of the government
Speaker 1: contracts that infiltrate every aspect into our lives as citizens, right,
Speaker 1: And so you look at what they are saying, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not too far from you know, what we're all
Speaker 1: concerned with, the only thing is that they're draped in
Speaker 1: the cloth that we all oppose, right, well, that we
Speaker 1: all oppose, but the veganism or the non binary or
Speaker 1: you know, these kind of verradical beliefs, so that we
Speaker 1: don't adhere to them because on the surface, we're already
Speaker 1: hands away because we don't agree with the exterior part
Speaker 1: of it. But what they are saying, I think we
Speaker 1: all kind of agree on in that AI is going
Speaker 1: to infiltrate every aspect of our life, and that the
Speaker 1: rules and regulations are being made only by a point
Speaker 1: zero one percent of the people and in making these
Speaker 1: algorithms into AI. But that's that's my take.
Speaker 2: Well, I said, I think you may have a fantastic
Speaker 2: point with that, Like we're already going to be, like
Speaker 2: the majority of the people are going to be opposed
Speaker 2: against these people because oh did you hear their vegan
Speaker 2: tranny weirdos and shut a fucking border patrol agent. Uh
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like your boomer magga con
Speaker 2: zionists grandfather is going to be like fucked tose trainings
Speaker 2: without even like addressing the issue or with anything that
Speaker 2: these people are like talking about. But also I mean,
Speaker 2: these people are actually saying like, hey, let's give more
Speaker 2: money to these ais because we're trying to bring about
Speaker 2: the cosmic Christ. Uh So I actually am opposed these trainees,
Speaker 2: but it is interesting and uh I don't I have
Speaker 2: no fucking idea, dude. It's it's kind of bizarre. And
Speaker 2: as far as it goes with uh them actually bringing
Speaker 2: about some sort of entity, I think that like the
Speaker 2: Christian uh metaphysical person myssed it Christian to me, uh
Speaker 2: thinks that it's entirely possible and maybe inevitable. I don't
Speaker 2: know that they are going to try to bring bring
Speaker 2: about some sort of intelligence that we like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Nick, how much how much credence do
Speaker 2: you give to that? Because uh, I know you're not
Speaker 2: a Christian guy. You have your own set of beliefs
Speaker 2: and ideas and things. Uh what do you what do
Speaker 2: you think about these like it disembodied uh spirits, old entities, demons?
Speaker 3: I think you can Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I do think that that there's energetic things that
Speaker 4: I think can affect you. I do think there's also
Speaker 4: maybe being you know, due to things that were even
Speaker 4: given the drugs and stuff like, I do wonder if
Speaker 4: you can even be put into maybe in a better
Speaker 4: state to be open up to things. I do think
Speaker 4: being influenced from some sort of like I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't like using demonic, but maybe a negative frequency or something.
Speaker 4: I do think that's possible. And I do think I
Speaker 4: do think occultism might even be used on these people,
Speaker 4: Oh sure, or.
Speaker 2: Fracturing in the beginning. What are your thoughts on maybe
Speaker 2: occult to scrubs people's ideologies? What are your thoughts that
Speaker 2: are that's manipulating these folks? Well, potentially.
Speaker 4: If I think like an occultist is involved in the
Speaker 4: situation like that, that's probably more of like the MK
Speaker 4: ultra aspect. Like I do think there might be stuff
Speaker 4: going on like that, So I do think you might
Speaker 4: have actually occultist involved in them, because I do think,
Speaker 4: like as weird as it sounds, like, having a magical effect,
Speaker 4: I think is almost kind of like MK culture in
Speaker 4: a sense, like if you fuck with magic. I do think,
Speaker 4: like you see how you could start fucking with people's
Speaker 4: minds if you push them into that experience.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know, I've had some interesting
Speaker 2: folks on the show, and we've had some fun conversations.
Speaker 2: But as far as like just practical magic goes, to me,
Speaker 2: magic is just a form of manipulation, like in a
Speaker 2: weird way, like if I'm a magician, Oh, I guess
Speaker 2: like a magician, or if I'm a pastor of like
Speaker 2: a megachurch and I sit there and I kind of
Speaker 2: manipulate the crowd and start working on their emotions. Even
Speaker 2: if I'm a musician and I'm sitting there and I'm
Speaker 2: playing different like frequency sounds and like like trying to
Speaker 2: evoke emotion, trying to get people to feel a certain way.
Speaker 2: All to me, that is actual magic. That that is
Speaker 2: like the truest form of magic that practically that we
Speaker 2: can see, feel, experience here. And so all of these people,
Speaker 2: like to me, government governmental people controlling the mind, it
Speaker 2: the mk ultra, like that was their way of trying
Speaker 2: to manipulate and distort reality, getting these poor fucking retards
Speaker 2: to think like, hey, maybe it's better not to eat meat. Hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's better for the world if you
Speaker 2: chop off your winger. Like, to me, all of that
Speaker 2: is magic, All of that is magical rituals, All of
Speaker 2: that is getting them to adhere to a new ideology.
Speaker 2: And these people are just playing behind the scenes and
Speaker 2: it's almost chaos magic, just trying to see what will
Speaker 2: stick and what won't and kind of just like kind
Speaker 2: of disrupting the population. I don't know, but do you
Speaker 2: think that there is actual an ease that these people
Speaker 2: are listening to?
Speaker 3: Do you? Like? Uh?
Speaker 2: Like to me, if I'm the most skitzo in my
Speaker 2: fucking in my mind, like I think that our governments
Speaker 2: have been manipulated by these entities that want to be here.
Speaker 2: Like to me, this is the meat and potatoes earth,
Speaker 2: this whatever realm we're in right now, this is like, uh,
Speaker 2: this is where all the fucking steaks are, and they
Speaker 2: want to be here, and maybe they can't exist here
Speaker 2: without like a form that they can take, right, So
Speaker 2: that's like the idea of taking control of I don't know,
Speaker 2: like a computer or something like that that they can
Speaker 2: like stay here. Uh are there? Like, do you truly
Speaker 2: believe in actual entities? Have they been manipulating our entire
Speaker 2: society this whole time? Are they fucking reptilians? Are they
Speaker 2: fucking robots? You know? Like, are the angels demons? Like,
Speaker 2: I'm curious on your thoughts and Eliza as well.
Speaker 3: I do think it is quite possible that maybe.
Speaker 4: Things from other times of places might get stuck into
Speaker 4: human body here. Do you think that's possible? Yeah, and
Speaker 4: it may not be the best for us at times,
Speaker 4: you know, when that happens. You know, I think people
Speaker 4: will take advantage of things that they know, you know,
Speaker 4: especially if you're able to jump like that. I know
Speaker 4: that may sound crazy, but I do think that's quite
Speaker 4: possible that you can like actually choose to leave yourself
Speaker 4: and go into a different body, you.
Speaker 3: Know, possibly at different times, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean there's things in magic where they do talk
Speaker 4: about putting like things into people's bodies after they've soul
Speaker 4: has left. Yeah, so it's like it's a fox, you know,
Speaker 4: they call it a homoculous but that could also be
Speaker 4: considered the brain or you know, if you look at
Speaker 4: different ways it's used. You know, who knows what it's
Speaker 4: being talked about, you know. So I do think that's possible. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, I do think there could be people here
Speaker 4: that are, like I guess, technically possessed in a sense,
Speaker 4: whether they're not not.
Speaker 2: What you think they are, and some might be. I
Speaker 2: still think Hillary Clinton, but.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say sometimes I think Doo thinks they
Speaker 4: might be a few presidents stuff fall into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Lisa, what are your thoughts on any of that?
Speaker 2: Is that all to metaphysical.
Speaker 1: And for you or no, not at all? I I
Speaker 1: one agree with Nick. I think it is all possible,
Speaker 1: and there are lots of instances where people will create
Speaker 1: things in order to embody other things as well. But
Speaker 1: I think also Fox Molder said it best when he
Speaker 1: said the devil is just one man with a plan,
Speaker 1: and real evil exists among men who conspire against the
Speaker 1: rest of the American people for power and money. So
Speaker 1: I think we also have to take that into consideration too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean a lot of socialist retards will say,
Speaker 2: you know, money is the root of all evil, but
Speaker 2: it's pretty explicit. It's the love of money, and so
Speaker 2: it's the obsession with money. Money is not the root
Speaker 2: of all evil. It's greedy cunts. And we know who
Speaker 2: those greedy cunts are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're good, You're funny. This has been a blast, man,
Speaker 4: I mean, believe it or not, there is other stuff
Speaker 4: to go into it. It's just too much I mean
Speaker 4: there's even like other people's names that we've come across
Speaker 4: now they're associated with them that I would like to
Speaker 4: look at, but so much.
Speaker 3: I mean, that believed that took weeks and weeks, so I.
Speaker 2: Believe it didn't know. You guys did a great job.
Speaker 2: That was great man. Yeah, these these folks are I
Speaker 2: still look at them with sympathy. I think these people
Speaker 2: will manipulate it and just kind of it's hard to
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to feel sympathy for people that
Speaker 2: have like acted violently and did some sick shit. But
Speaker 2: like I do, honestly a lot of the trans community,
Speaker 2: Like I like to make a lot of jokes, but
Speaker 2: I actually have I feel for him.
Speaker 4: I do think, yeah, to an extent, and I guess
Speaker 4: I don't want to say all of them, but whatever.
Speaker 4: To an extent, I think a lot of people who
Speaker 4: take on these ideologies are just unfortunately MKT through like
Speaker 4: some tavistac idea. Like if you've gotten to that extent,
Speaker 4: something along with either the food, the TV, or the
Speaker 4: drugs that have been handed to you has somehow gotten
Speaker 4: you to accept that and think that's the atrazine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the things in the water. It's all been
Speaker 2: that's a.
Speaker 4: Self calculated result through a whole bunch of things being
Speaker 4: done to somebody.
Speaker 2: I think, and always, always, always, in my mind, there
Speaker 2: is a level of consent and people have to kind
Speaker 2: of invite the vampire in, but you do kind of
Speaker 2: have to feel sorry for him because they've kind of
Speaker 2: been glammed by that vampire as well.
Speaker 1: But also if we if we are trying, you know,
Speaker 1: we've looked at history and how media manipulates history, where
Speaker 1: media only selectively reports on things, we should also consider
Speaker 1: that here in that media is potentially selecting what to
Speaker 1: report with these groups, So there is also that as well.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and that was like the biggest thing
Speaker 2: with like social media is they actually encourage as much
Speaker 2: as they say they're trying to like blast things out
Speaker 2: in the ether, they really do encourage like echo chambers
Speaker 2: very much. So they kind of want you in your
Speaker 2: own weird little group. And then they kind of they've
Speaker 2: actually admitted to like screwing with little kind of micro
Speaker 2: cosms and little kind of little weird groups of folks.
Speaker 2: Like there's like a group of bill Beg like Ranny Furries, right,
Speaker 2: Like there's like a weird little micro community if these
Speaker 2: little weird these you're the little furries, and the government
Speaker 2: has was caught and admitted to like infiltrating these weird
Speaker 2: little communities, and they wanted to see if they could
Speaker 2: do it, and they did. They like the person that
Speaker 2: started this weird little community, they convinced the rest of
Speaker 2: the community that he was like a Nazi, and they
Speaker 2: did this whole thing. They kind of like they absolutely
Speaker 2: take these little tiny communities and they kind of they
Speaker 2: manipulate them. They see what they could do as far
Speaker 2: as like changing their ideology. They they take these communities
Speaker 2: and they kind of usurp them in a weird way
Speaker 2: and kind of co opt them. I mean, you can
Speaker 2: see it in you can see it in the conspiracy community.
Speaker 2: How many people how many people are grift or weirdos
Speaker 2: that are you know, getting people to do all this
Speaker 2: bizarre shit, Like you can see it left and right,
Speaker 2: like in our own communities right now. Like how who
Speaker 2: attacks conspiracy theorists harder than a conspiracy theorist?
Speaker 4: The only thing worse actually, I think could be like
Speaker 4: I don't know, you may not know this because you're
Speaker 4: probably not into it too much, but like if you're
Speaker 4: into like the YouTube true crime community. Those motherfuckers off
Speaker 4: the hook, they yo, they came over into the conspiracy community,
Speaker 4: they'd be like, oh my god, what the fuck is
Speaker 4: wrong with like they think like I might be mouthy
Speaker 4: on my opinion. These motherfuckers will shit all over anybody.
Speaker 4: They don't give a flying fuck who you are. How
Speaker 4: popular are you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They are crazy. That's like the wild wild West
Speaker 3: YouTube true crime.
Speaker 4: Man, it's a wild wild West out there if you
Speaker 4: follow the motherfuckers that she gets at the taining.
Speaker 3: It gets at.
Speaker 2: Tating all white women, and they are all angry and
Speaker 2: they want and they want you to know it.
Speaker 4: The ones in the chat, for sure, You're totally right.
Speaker 4: It's a bunch of angry Karens totally.
Speaker 2: This has been a lot of fun, guys. Let's do
Speaker 2: some plugs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh yeah, they cult rejects Ville, ball on, Bitch
Speaker 4: Rumble YouTube and all major podcasts.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: What's your website?
Speaker 1: Nick? Okay, call research inste dot org and everything next said,
Speaker 1: thank you, I love it.
Speaker 2: Uh, this is a lot of fun, guys. You guys
Speaker 2: are the best. You guys are always welcome here. We
Speaker 2: always have some fun as we talk, Nick, I think
Speaker 2: you're coming on. We should, we should schedule it. You're
Speaker 2: gonna do some like crazy uh.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're gonna go over with the rituals and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, oh yeah yeah, totally forgot
Speaker 4: about that, totally totally.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's bring about that AI that they're talking about accidentally.
Speaker 2: We're going to open the fuck up. No sex, no homo,
Speaker 2: no Al Crowley.
Speaker 3: But everybody. Yeah yeah, we'll all have our clothes on.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah dude. All right, you guys are great. Thank
Speaker 2: you guys so much. Yes, uh, everybody in the chat,
Speaker 2: we appreciate you, guys. We love you guys. Uh, this
Speaker 2: has been a lot of fun and uh yeah, let's
Speaker 2: let's see it again. Nick, Eliza, you're amazing. You're one
Speaker 2: of my favorites, so you're always welcome back as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, cheers, guys,