WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:01.320 It's nice eyes. 2 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:06.759 I'm doing you Boston's news Radio. 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:09.679 The fourth and final hour coming up here on a 4 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.960 Wednesday night in Boston. My name is Dan Ray, and 5 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:15.960 this is WBZ, so let us reset here. Okay. We 6 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:21.160 talked last hour about kind of a pre Halloween conversation 7 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.199 about haunted homes and how they might affect people who 8 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.000 live in haunted houses. And I want to thank my guest, 9 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:32.320 Rachel Person, a realtor up a new report. Her group 10 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.920 is a person in person group dot com and look, 11 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:40.159 they deal with antique houses. I want to switch our 12 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:44.920 focus now to the presidential race that is six days 13 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:51.320 away a week from now next Wednesday. This race may 14 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:56.560 be called maybe not. I want to share with you 15 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:01.280 what my concerns are, and I hope that you will 16 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:07.239 share with me your concerns. I have watched this race 17 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:10.799 develop now, when you think about it, over eight years, 18 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:14.040 going back to when Donald Trump first came down that 19 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.799 escalator at Trump Tower and presented himself as a potential 20 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:25.200 Republican nominee, I had real doubts about his ability to 21 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:31.239 be elected, and certainly after the famous Billy Bush tape 22 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:35.319 in twenty sixteen, I suggested and advocated that he would 23 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:37.799 withdraw from the race. He didn't, and he got elected. 24 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:44.359 Watched him during his presidency. You've heard my comments about him, 25 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.920 which there were many of his policies which I think 26 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.640 were good policies. But he survived himself with the cast 27 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.719 of characters who some were competent, some were not, some 28 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:01.000 were loyal, some were not. In twenty he lost to 29 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:07.680 Joe Biden, and the the vote against Donald Trump was 30 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:10.919 the vote for vote Joe Biden, I think was much 31 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.199 more of a vote against Donald Trump. Now once again 32 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:21.039 it appears he has become the the center of the race. 33 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:29.039 I don't know that any Democrat would not have been 34 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:33.879 able to do pretty well against him. The vice president 35 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:43.719 Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris. Again the pronunciation of the name 36 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.439 even it's people have pronounced it differently, but it's it's 37 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:53.039 Kamala Harris, like comma and then law uh. She she's 38 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.759 on the press precipice of becoming the forty seventh president 39 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:04.319 without having at this point won a nomination. That's it's been. 40 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:08.199 It's been a strange, strange year, and I have a 41 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:12.879 feeling I was hopeful that there would be a decisive 42 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:18.319 victory that either uh, former President Trump or the vice 43 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:22.840 president would have a decisive victory. I don't know. Maybe 44 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:25.719 that's still possible, but I'm not encouraged by it. Having 45 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:29.639 talked the last two nights with Spencer Kimball of Emerson 46 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:37.159 College and Dave Paleologus of Suffolk University, and I was stunned. 47 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:43.039 I was absolutely stunned when I woke up on was 48 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:47.919 it yes Monday morning not yesterday Monday morning to learn 49 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.159 that a comedian who I guess Donald Trump doesn't know, 50 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.439 but who was a part of the presentation at isrally 51 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:01.960 at massive Madison Square Garden just in aged and you know, 52 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:10.039 a real racist, outlandish comment. Now it's like the gang 53 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:15.319 that can't shoots straight. I don't know if there are 54 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:23.399 I think the Vice President today made a very sensible comment. 55 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:28.319 She almost contradicted the president. The President, who last night 56 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:33.800 was engaged in some sort of a roundtable discussion, made 57 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:40.240 a comment in which he Joe Biden upped the ante. 58 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.040 And I want you to hear what Biden said. He 59 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.800 was on a zoom call with Voto Latino dot org, 60 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.240 and somehow the issue came up about this stupid joke 61 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:55.639 that this dumb comedian call told how the Trump campaign 62 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:03.040 would have had such lack of vetting on the people 63 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.560 who they were presenting at Madison Square Garden that he 64 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:07.120 would tell the joke. I think all of you know 65 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:09.920 the joke. I'm not even going to repeat it, but 66 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.199 you know the context of the joke. This was President 67 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:17.560 Biden yesterday compounding the problem. Now, I think he stepped 68 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.839 into it here. Let's just cut one, cut one please 69 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:22.000 do or. 70 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.839 Puerto Rico where I'm in my home state of Delaware, 71 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:28.639 they're good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see 72 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.959 floating down there is his supporters. His his demonizational scene 73 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.879 is unconscionable, and it's on American. 74 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:41.759 So I think he pretty clearly called Trump's supporters. He 75 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:45.560 used the same phrase that the comedian used. Is there 76 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:51.040 nobody out there in the political realm? Now again, I 77 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:54.399 think the Vice president today actually made some comments that 78 00:05:55.439 --> 00:06:02.439 were were helpful. Okay, one of comments what was made 79 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:06.680 last night, so it was made before the President made 80 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:13.079 his comment. But it's just got so personal here. I 81 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:17.279 don't know how this country's ever going to come together. 82 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.720 You go back to Hillary Clinton, where she was made 83 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.879 the famous comment about the deplorables in twenty sixteen, play 84 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.199 cut one beef for me if you were. 85 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:34.399 Dead, you know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could 86 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:37.600 put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the 87 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.959 basket of deplorables. 88 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.120 I mean, that certainly didn't help her campaign. You would 89 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:47.920 think that some of these politicians would learn from this. 90 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:57.040 Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro was on CNN yesterday with Caitlin Collins, 91 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.240 one of their reporter slash anchors, and she kind of 92 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:08.040 put it to Shapiro, and Shapiro, well, he dodged. The 93 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.759 question is as simple as that cut three. 94 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:11.759 Governor. 95 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.600 First off, just what's your response to that comment from 96 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:18.120 from President Biden where it sounds like he's calling Trump 97 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:21.480 supporters their garbage. 98 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:22.600 Yeah. 99 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.920 Look, I had not heard that until now, Caitlin, so 100 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.399 I'm kind of giving you my fresh reaction to it. 101 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:33.160 I would never insult the good people of Pennsylvania or 102 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.600 any Americans, even if they chose to support a candidate 103 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:38.319 that I didn't support. 104 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:45.000 But he didn't answer the question, and Colins didn't follow 105 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:51.959 up with, in my opinion, a strong follow up. This 106 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.399 was her follow up. It's pretty weak stuff. It's cut three. 107 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.079 A did Oh in the White House is trying to 108 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.959 say that what President Biden was saying, they're putting an 109 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.920 apostrophe there in supporter saying it's the singular I guess 110 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:11.360 referring to the comedian that supporters comments. I mean, it's 111 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.480 hard to really look at that when you can listen 112 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:14.360 to it for yourself. 113 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:21.079 Yeah, this is what the President said. So what I 114 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:25.959 am struggling with now, and I'm hoping that some of 115 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:29.120 you might call, and I would invite anyone to call, 116 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:35.000 but I'd love to hear from some new voters. How 117 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:39.639 does this affect you? I don't know how this country 118 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.519 comes back together irrespective of who wins. I was hoping 119 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:49.600 that there would be a decisive victory and that we 120 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:56.399 would be able to work ourselves out of this the standoff. Now, 121 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.399 maybe I'm just being idealistic, but I just want to 122 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:01.279 open it up. I'd love to hear from some people 123 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.360 who could give me a little bit of hope and say, hey, 124 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:08.120 irrespective of who wins, maybe this country needs to be 125 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:11.600 shocked into something. I don't know. I've never seen it 126 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.000 this bad in America, and I've covered and been around 127 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.919 for a while I've covered going back to Jimmy Carter 128 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:24.200 and Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan and Walter Mondale and 129 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.159 George Bush and Mike Decaccas and Bill Clinton and George 130 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.720 Bush and you know, all the different standoffs and the 131 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:38.320 George Bush forty three and President Obama and Trump and Biden, 132 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:44.039 and here we are. I'd like you to put aside 133 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.440 for a moment who you're going to vote for, who 134 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.519 you think is going to win. How does this country recover? 135 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:55.360 How do we, on beginning November sixth, the day after 136 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.919 the election, come to the realization that we have more 137 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:05.279 in common than we have indifference. And I'm hoping that 138 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:08.440 I'll hear from some new callers, and particularly from some 139 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:14.960 young callers. I just feel we have spiraled down, down, down. 140 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.120 And so we have a comedian at a Trump event 141 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:23.480 making a really stupid joke. It wasn't even jokes are 142 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:26.559 supposed to be funny. I don't see where that was funny. 143 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.559 And then President Biden maybe he stumbled into it. It 144 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:32.639 didn't sound to me like he stumbled into it. He 145 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:36.919 basically equated Trump supporters with garbage six one seven, two 146 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.159 four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Uh, 147 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:47.399 I'm I am really concerned at this point as to 148 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:53.360 where we're headed as a country. UH. If if you, 149 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.600 if you would like to try to convince me that 150 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:01.279 I'm wrong and that there's a way, there's a path forward. 151 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.679 I don't see it, but I'd love to hear from you. 152 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:08.240 Six one seven, four ten thirty, triple eight nine two 153 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.679 nine ten thirty and six one seven nine three one 154 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:13.919 ten thirty. Let's try to get positive here for the 155 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.879 last hour, and then we have two more nights coming up. 156 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:21.720 We will on Friday night have a conversation between a conversation, 157 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.720 a discussion, UH on the whole question of psychedelics, which 158 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:28.919 is question four, which I think will be an interesting 159 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:35.639 conversation on Friday night with two folks C. J. Le Conte, 160 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:40.679 who I had on last night UH and doctor Gami, 161 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:46.200 who I spoke with on November not November, October seventeenth. 162 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:48.480 They are on opposite sides of the issue. But tonight, 163 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:51.840 let's talk about where this country's headed. Coming back on 164 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.559 night's side lines of lighting up got one line open 165 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:56.679 at six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty. 166 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:02.200 Let's let's go past these politicians. I think let's go 167 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:07.240 past these politicians and try to try to figure out 168 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.440 where we're going from here, because you know, November sixth, 169 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:13.919 or November seventh, or November eighth is coming and there 170 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.919 will be a president elect. I don't know how we 171 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.960 how we work ourselves out of this situation. Coming back on. 172 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:25.759 Nightside now back to Dan Way live from the Window 173 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:30.000 World to night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 174 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.120 Okay, here we go. Let's let's get it going. Ladies. 175 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:38.759 I want you to participate in this conversation as well. Again, Uh, 176 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:40.679 this is something we all are going to have to 177 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.720 deal with because I don't care which side of the 178 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:47.559 great divide you're on. There are friends and family members 179 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.919 on the other side of the divide. Let's go first, 180 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:53.360 off to my Mike and data. Mike, thank you very 181 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.440 much for calling in your first this hour and Nightside. 182 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.240 Go right ahead. 183 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.399 Hello, Mike, three great, can hear you? 184 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.080 I can hear you. Now, go right ahead. 185 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.200 Okay. I see three great divides and in the country 186 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.440 maybe even maybe even abroad as well. Okay, asigned from 187 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.000 the election, you you have a problem whereby three problems, 188 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.960 liberalism and conservatism will never meet eye to eye. That's 189 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.399 that's the first thing. That's that's well, that's not. 190 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.720 A problem because they're two different philosophies. And we've had 191 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:31.879 conservative presidents in my lifetime and liberal presidents in my lifetime, 192 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.679 and they somehow, uh, you know, the pendulum swings back 193 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:38.919 and forth. That's one of the strengths of a democracy. 194 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:42.120 All right, Well, I see it differently. But the other 195 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.600 two things of this the religious ideologies as well. But 196 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.320 the big big creates a big wedge in the country. 197 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:56.039 And lastly, the conflict between uh, the affluent versus the 198 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.200 versus the non affluent. 199 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:02.720 Okay, so what then, what solution? First of all, I 200 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:06.320 think that those are natural divisions. I think that in 201 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:10.759 any in any democracy, you're going to have some people 202 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:14.600 who are looking for one form of government and other 203 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.399 people looking for another form of government. It's coexisted in 204 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.120 this country. We've had you know, we fought a civil 205 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:26.240 war over issues. We always came together at the time 206 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:29.279 of crisis, World War one, World War two, Great Depression. 207 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:34.840 Ronald Reagan was a great president, a conservative. Bill Clinton 208 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:39.200 was a very successful Democratic president. He was Barack Obama 209 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:42.240 was elected twice. He certainly is different from Reagan. So 210 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.279 you have. I mean, I don't see that as a problem. 211 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:47.679 I see that as an asset. Do you think everybody 212 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:51.480 in America is going to think exactly the same way philosophically. 213 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:57.000 No, I doubt Actually my past Buscatta, I have to 214 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:00.559 let you go, but thank you. 215 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.799 Your cause about the had told him sorry about that, Okay, 216 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:05.120 I'm not sure what point he was making, and he 217 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.360 was He's talked about a great divide religiously. There are 218 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.159 some people in this country who have who fervently believe, 219 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.559 and there are some people in this country who do 220 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:17.679 not believe. That's one of the great things about this country. 221 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.639 Try living in Iran and being a non believer. Try 222 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.720 living in Iran and being gay. Try living in in Iran, 223 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:29.559 uh and and and not support the government publicly. You 224 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:33.120 got problems that the beauty of this country when you 225 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:40.039 talk about UH rich and poor or wealthy and poor. Look, 226 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:47.080 wealthy people UH create companies, create businesses that employ people. 227 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:51.320 We have a society here and and a system of 228 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:55.440 government of capitalism which allows people to through their own 229 00:15:55.480 --> 00:16:00.679 great device devices, devices to to improve their lot. We 230 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:04.480 have examples of people who were born very poor in 231 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:06.519 this country who end up wealthy. We also have an 232 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.240 example of people who who fritter away I could use 233 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:16.080 a different word, fritter away their wealth. Anyway, let's keep rolling. 234 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:19.320 You see what others think. We're gonna go next to 235 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.200 Dave in New Hampshire. Dave, you next to Nice. I 236 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:21.639 go ahead. 237 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:22.879 Okay. 238 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.360 I'm not sure how you vote for this, but historically 239 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.279 Americans have done the best when there's been a president 240 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.720 and a Congress and it's been divided and the government 241 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.639 only grows by about one percent per year. As long 242 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.679 as the economy is relatively on track, we don't get 243 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:43.440 a lot of violence, right, So the Eisenhower years and 244 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:46.039 the Clinton years. 245 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:46.120 That was what was best. 246 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:51.840 But there's no way to vote for that, and presidents 247 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.919 hardly ever seem to push for that. So I think 248 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.440 what each of us can do as individuals it just 249 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:01.200 makes sure we never push for federal spending. That's where 250 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:05.279 these six and seven and four percent per year growth 251 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.200 comes from, is because from people pushing for the federal 252 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:09.519 government to spend more money. 253 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.119 Just stop doing that. 254 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:15.880 Yeah, you know, Dave, I have the advantage of knowing 255 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:21.119 where you're coming from philosophically, So you're a hardcore libertarian, 256 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:25.200 which is fine, okay, but I don't want to get 257 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.559 into the conversation with you at this point about what 258 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:34.680 programs we have to cut in order to, you know, 259 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:40.759 to employ that philosophy. I would dispute with you when 260 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:46.160 you talk about the Eisenhower years. They were wonderful years 261 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:51.519 of peace and harmony. However, during that those years we 262 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.240 had a great civil rights struggle Brown versus Board of Education. 263 00:17:55.519 --> 00:18:00.359 We had segregation in southern states, which federal truth were 264 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:04.039 called in to make sure kids could go to school 265 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:09.200 in Arkansas. Historically, it was a period of time where 266 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:12.400 we were the number one power in the world. After 267 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.920 World War Two. It was a period right where I 268 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.839 think America, the American people took a deep breath. The 269 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:24.359 Clinton years were The great benefit of the Clinton years, 270 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:28.000 in my opinion, was the success of the Reagan administration. 271 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:33.279 The Soviet Union collapsed, we had no other competition around 272 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.519 the world. So yeah, we did have a great years 273 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.799 with Clinton. And as a matter of fact, Clinton was 274 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.119 small enough to work with Gingridge, which I think is 275 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.480 the point you're making. But you've got to go through 276 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:48.079 some tough times to get to better times. My concern 277 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.880 is that we are so divided as a nation that 278 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:55.079 I don't know that whoever gets elected president, whether it's 279 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.680 Vice President Harris or former President Trump, that the majority 280 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:00.480 of people in this country are going to give either 281 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:01.839 one of them a chance to succeed. 282 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.039 We can handle the political division as long as the 283 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:12.240 government doesn't bankrupt us and turn the political crisis into 284 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.240 an economic crisis by spending too much. 285 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:21.559 Well, look, someone will say that we have a spending problem. 286 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:23.960 We do have a spending problem. But how are you 287 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:27.440 going to eliminate the spending? I'm realistically, are you going 288 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.119 to say to people who have earned social security, we're 289 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.839 cutting your social security? Are you going to say to 290 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:36.519 people who who now benefit from I was in line 291 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.480 at a grocery store today and there was a woman 292 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:43.160 in front of me who, you know, looked as if 293 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.839 she was She did look poor, She was well dressed, 294 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.920 and she ran up a bill of about I don't know, 295 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:55.279 fifty dollars in groceries, and she handed a card to 296 00:19:55.440 --> 00:20:00.680 the clerk in line, and the clerk put the card 297 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:02.759 in and her bill was reduced from fifty dollars to 298 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.960 seven dollars. And you know, she had some sort of 299 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.000 government program card which allowed her to get fifty dollars 300 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:13.279 with the groceries for seven dollars. You're going to take 301 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:15.599 those cards away from people at this point. I don't know. 302 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.720 Maybe I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. 303 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.480 But well, the thing I'm speaking in favor of here, 304 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:26.119 although it's not perfect, is it's not cutting the government necessarily. 305 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.480 It's just reducing the rate of growth to one percent 306 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.519 like it was under Eisenhower and Clinton. That's all I'm saying. 307 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:33.279 You maintain social security. 308 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:37.079 If you do that, where do you cut? 309 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:39.240 I'm not saying you have. 310 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:39.880 To cut anything. 311 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.279 If you're you're increasing by a percent a year, that's 312 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.160 not enough. The government's already three times what is it 313 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.000 three times as big as it was under Clinton? Is 314 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:48.960 that's not big enough? 315 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:56.319 Well, I don't know that. We have not gone over 316 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:58.640 the cliff already, is what I'm trying to say. And 317 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.559 I think that if if if you know what our 318 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:05.839 GDP is, and you know what our debt our debt is, 319 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.680 you know we have a federal debt of what thirty 320 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.160 five trillion dollars? Now, how are we going to pay 321 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:11.640 that off? 322 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:16.000 Well, one way to not pay it off is by 323 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:18.400 increasing the government more than one percent a year. 324 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:20.880 Well, yeah, because it's help point, we'll have to do 325 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.759 something very dramatic. But I don't think the average person 326 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:28.480 understands that concept. Our GDP is significantly less than thirty 327 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:32.000 five trillion dollars, and whatever the gd Whenever the debt 328 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:36.119 exceeds the GDP by that percentage, by that amount of money, 329 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.319 we're in we're in trouble financially. But and we can 330 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:43.200 talk about that some night. I'm just trying to figure 331 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:46.160 out how we can get everybody kind of on the 332 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.440 same page and at least say, guess what, I disagree 333 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.240 with half the country, but they're not bad people. There's 334 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:54.799 just too much invective going back and forth. If you 335 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:56.960 can't get rid of the invective, I don't think anyone 336 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.880 can govern it. Maybe that's what I'm saying. Dappreciate your thoughts, 337 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.200 and I appreciate you continue to be a listener and 338 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.319 a contributor to this program, and we will sure be 339 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.519 dealing with a lot of the issues that you've just raised. 340 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:12.799 I'm trying to I'm trying to get to a point 341 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:14.799 where people at least will talk to each other over 342 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:17.559 Thanksgiving dinner. And I'm not sure that's going to happen 343 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:20.559 this year in my opinion. Thank you, Dave. 344 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.200 Nothing to add, Thank you have a great night. 345 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:28.359 Six month, seven thirty. That's the only line that's opening 346 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:29.920 right now. I've got a couple of lines open there 347 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:32.720 and ladies that love to have you contributed this conversation 348 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.400 because I think we're in a bad place, and I 349 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:42.079 think that I think it's only gotten worse in the 350 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.039 you know, with everything that's happened in the last few months. 351 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:47.039 I don't know. I think we're going to have a 352 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.720 close election. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the posters are wrong, 353 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:52.960 but I think it's going to be a close election. 354 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.000 It'll be probably a disputed election, and we might be 355 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:58.640 back to something like twenty twenty again, which will not 356 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:02.440 be a good thing for the country at all. Back 357 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:03.400 on Nightside after this. 358 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:10.319 Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm Boston's News Radio. 359 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.720 Let's get back to the calls we got Sean in Revere. Sean, 360 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:16.799 you're next on Nightside. Welcome, thanks for checking in. 361 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:21.559 I'm gonna tell a little story, but it's gonna come 362 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:24.920 back around if you don't mind. Go right ahead, all right. 363 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:28.839 A few years back, when Trump was in office. I 364 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:35.240 tried running for Congress. I went around tracking and one 365 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:36.640 of the people I started at. 366 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:41.799 Home, do me a favorite, Sean. You're breaking up on me. Dan, 367 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:44.680 take Sewan's call and see if you can get him 368 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:46.759 in a spot where we can hear him because he's 369 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:50.319 breaking up. Well, tell Shawn, I'll come right back to him. 370 00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:53.359 But he needs to get by a window or something 371 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.160 on a cell phone. It's just a bad connection. Let 372 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:58.480 me go to Mark in Cambridge. Mark, you were next 373 00:23:58.480 --> 00:23:59.039 on nicside. 374 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:03.079 Go right ahead, Mark, you know I did. 375 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:05.640 Go right ahead, bark. 376 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:06.519 Yeah. 377 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:09.720 I'm trying to make it short and simple. I think 378 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.079 it was a disrespect. First of all, I'm not trush, 379 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.759 I'm not garbage, and I am a Trump support him, 380 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:20.400 And what Joe Biden said was an insult, disrespect to 381 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:29.880 all of us. And what's his name there, comedian making 382 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:34.519 talking about Puerto Rico being garbage. That was aweso an insult. 383 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:37.880 But he did not represent Donald Trump or the Donald 384 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:38.599 Trump movie. 385 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:42.200 Well, I disagree with you a little bit, to be 386 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:46.880 honest with you on that, Mark in that he was 387 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.200 at a Trump rally at Madison Square Garden and he 388 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:57.039 was an invited speaker. Now, if someone in the audience 389 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:00.279 who had walked in had jumped up and said something 390 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:04.440 really disrespectful or stupid, I could buy that. But this 391 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.319 guy should have been vetted by the Trump campaign and 392 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:09.960 he should have been told, look, you know he apparently 393 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:12.839 this guy has a reputation of being a nasty comic, 394 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:15.440 one of those guys. I guess he was involved in 395 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.880 the in the Tom Brady roast. But when you when 396 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:23.599 you're appearing at at Madison Square Garden as an invited guest, 397 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:27.640 as a you know, a presenter, I think that the 398 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:32.000 Trump team had an absolute obligation to make sure that 399 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:35.519 he he didn't say something that vile and that stupid 400 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:37.799 and that that racist. 401 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:41.920