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the show for any time. I'm sure it's not lost
on you that I don't believe that where wolves exist
because I haven't bumped into one, and that's something that
to buy in hook line and sinker with regards to
their existence, I'd have to actually see one. Now, I've
always been one to say anything's possible in this crazy world,
so I'm not going to rule out the possibility that
they exist. But when it comes to tonight's guest, Phil Cottvall,
he knows that where wolves exist. That's because unfortunately he
had an encounter with one when he was eight. But
we'll get to that later on. First let's bring him
in here. Phil, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Well, hi, Vic, thank you for having me on. I
appreciate that, really the thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for coming on. We appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: Phil.
Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, the night as Vic said it, so, Phil
quote out aka Doncman tpe hunting. I'm an experiencer fifty
nine with a longtime partner to Jack Russell Taviers, who
are getting on a bit now pretty ordinarly. Really, if
there's a thing really with my career path, it's been
really mostly chance rather than design. I've done been a
plumber to an inventor. I've been as sensitive I would say,
two things which some would call arcane, some are called paranormal.
For most of my life that I can remember, I've
been always very interested because of this. When I was
a small kid, I used to go to the library
and always go to the section which was Faseball section,
which was under fiction mostly, and pick out the books
on ghosts and look less Monster and look through the
old black and white photos where you see Lessie's long
legs sticking up out of the water. So I always
had an interest in it. I've kept the secrets. Really,
what's happened to me. The things that have happened to me,
I've kept secret for a long time. I didn't really
speak very much about them. No one really would believe me,
to be honest, Vic, you know, if I spoke about
them earlier. My mother knew some of it, as you
know from the stories when I recount them, the accounts
she was with me on a couple of occasions. My dad, though,
no way, no way. With my dad, he was very
he was a mechanic, he was very black and white.
He wouldn't entertain at all the idea of anything which
would be not the norm in capsuring, not the normal.
So I knew better really than to confront Dad with
any any experiences I had from an early age. You know,
I would say that really, Yeah, like I said, my
life thus far really has been half chance of luck, really,
but the one true reliable path has always been knowing
that I will attract some would say coincidences. I say
written law also acutely conscious of the shadow, the peripheral,
and the monsters are hiding it. So that's pretty much
me really, Vic.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to be told about monsters hiding in
the shadows, but it's totally different to see them hiding
there in the shadows, which that's you. You've done that
seems like you are a magnet for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be, and it hasn't been out
of choice. Has just been something which I seem to
have attracted for some reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a magnet. Some people just are. It's hard
to explain why they do draw these things in, but
that's just how it is. Now. I've had some pretty
notable things happen to me in my life, But you've
had profound experience. After a profound experience. With that in mind,
how do you have any kind of normalcy in your life?
Speaker 1: Oh, I carry on with my job. I'm in a
work at the moment, looking forward to retirement, maybe an
a few years off yet, but looking forward to that.
How I cope with it is I try and understand it.
I don't shy away from it, if you like. I
try and meet it head on and understand that which
which presents itself and has presented itself in the past.
And I find that is a better way of handling
it for myself in my head. Everybody's different. I'm not
saying that what I choose to do is the right
way of doing it, but for me, confronting and trying
to understand is the right move. It helps me. It
helps me. That's why I quite actively load on videos,
I quite actively go on investigations, I go out in
the woods. Still I go out. I do a lot
of nighttime investigation daytime as well, because do you know,
I believe that it's not maybe a case that they
want to contact with dog Man and other entities. I
don't think it maybe is a case that they particularly
want to contact us. Maybe we're narcissistic in our thinking
that you know, we're something special and that they're they're
they're confronting us because of that. Maybe what they're actually
doing is they're appearing to us to change our perception,
to nudge us in a direction, which some tagged and
I use that term loosely, but some tagged people, some
people that are more susceptible, more open to these entities,
they nudge us in a direction, and it maybe is
a kind of a way of understanding the language that
they're trying to use what they want to show us.
Maybe that's the kind of thing that they're they're they're doing.
It's all suppositioned, but it's just an idea.
Speaker 2: Well, you're right years as good as anyone else's and
considering how you've wrote elbows with these guys as many
times as you have, I think that puts you a
tier above most Some eye witnesses cheerish their encounters like
prized possessions. Do you see your encounters as defining you
or something you don't place much importance on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the encounters that I've had have all been defining.
Some have been like the were wolf encounter I had
when I was young. That was a defining moment. Another
defining moment in my life was I saw what would
be tantamount to a demon in the shape. It came
in the form of a shadow, and I was once again.
This often happens with witnesses where they were a low point,
perhaps they've suffered some kind of trauma in their life,
and it's at that point that these entities will appear
to that person. For me, just briefly, it was a
shadow entity. I woke up at night and must have
been early hours of the morning. I don't actually know
the time, it must have been early hours, I guess.
And I was living in a bedset, which is a
single room in a house, a shared house, and it
was a townhouse, so it's free stories. It was in
a place called Chiswick, which is a burb of London,
just outside of central London, and I was working in
the area I had I had a horrible breakup with
a girlfriend, and I was feeling quite depressed. To be honest,
I was feeling quite depressed. Now I went to sleep.
It was a school night, let's put it that way,
So there was no drinking. Uh, you know, even though
I'd work next morning. I called it a school night
because it was like you know, I did used to
drink in those days once again pastor with you know,
for me, it became a bit of an addiction. At
the time, I wasn't. It wasn't a problem. I still
went to work, I still functioned, but I relied on it,
you know. Of an evening when I went home, and
you know, anyway, I wasn't drinking this one evening and
I fell asleep. I then woke up, and I'm not
sure why I woke up, but I woke up that
something woke me up. And I looked across the room
with this bed sit. It's all dark except for a
glow coming in through the window. And I was in
the top floor. I was at the third floor up
in this townhouse, so very high, and I heard a
crash down below, and directly down below where the bedset was.
The townhouse had a converted shop down below, and I
heard a crash and I heard people like talking, and
like almost like an argument going on. I was half asleep.
I woke up and the room was dark. I didn't
quite I was very disorientated. I didn't quite know what
was going on. And it was then I looked across
towards the window where the stand was coming in from,
and I saw a swirl, a black swell, and it
was darker. This black swell was of like a mist,
like a vortex of black mist, and it formed out
from a circle of mist into a shape. And this
shape looked like a figure. It looked like a person,
but it was different. It was odd, It was strange.
It was no figure I ever recognized. Yes it had legs,
they were long. Yes it had arms they were long.
But every part of this figure was a triangle made
up of triangles. If you can imagine the old depictions
of pied piper. It looked to have a pied piper's
pointy hat. It had like a skirt on. But the
best way do you've ever seen Blackadder? And in the
Blackadder comedy series. In Edwardian times, the men used to
wear these real strange kind of furling skirts, you know,
the men used to it used to be sitting in fashion.
Thank god that fashion wentever. And so I saw it
was a too d image because it was a shadow,
and it went slowly across the wall from the window,
and my bed was facing the wall, so if you
like the windows to right hand side, the door coming
into the bedset was on my left hand side. The
shadow entity, whatever it was, was moving across the wall
towards the door from the left, sorry, from the right
where the window was, to the left where the door was.
It then stopped at the end of my bed, and
I was looking at it. I saw that it saw me.
It turned. I could not move vic my arms. It
felt like someone was holding them down. I could not
move my arms. I could not move my legs, but
I was conscious. I was awake now. It then came
it seemed when it saw me, it seemed to come closer.
How it seemed to me. It seemed to come closer,
and it grew owled. It said something in a growy voice.
I can't make out what it was. I still to
this day do not understand what it said. And then
it went back, and it continued on against the wall
and went out through the bedsit door. Now, I had
a feeling from this entity when it stopped looked at me,
and the feeling was something which I never want to
feel again, I never want to experience again. It was
worse than any dog man creature I've come seen, or
come close to, all wear wolf fantasy. Worse. It was
a feeling of despair, of a blanket of black encapsulating despair, grief, pain.
It was just beyond evil. It was beyond evil. It
was so bad that remember I couldn't move my arms
or legs. I was so scared. Now, I was twenty
eight at the time. I was so scared. I weed myself,
I urinated. I was that scared. Now. The thing that
got me was sometimes you hope, you hope that it's imagination.
You hope that perhaps it's your brain, your mind playing
tricks with you. You hope this. I hoped it was
this because I could seek some comfort in that knowing that,
do you know, it seemed real, But actually it wasn't,
and it was just it was just imagined. In the morning,
I came to the realization and that it wasn't imagined,
and there was something in my room and it was evil.
I woke up and the door was open. My bedset
door was open. There's only little events, but it's just
little nuggets of events which proved something to me and
brought it home in a big way. I always kept
the bedset door closed and locked. The reason I did
that is because it's a shared house. As I said,
it's a very transient thing living in a bedset. People
come and go all the while. There's so much so
that with the rooms that people stay in that are
rented out, very often they have shackles and padlocks on
the outside of the door because the landlord's every time
someone does a fly by night and leaves and doesn't
tell the landlord, or he locks the door up from
the outside so no one else can get in until
it's rented out again. Now my only had one other
person who lived on across the landing from me on
that level, the top level, and he also had a room.
He was quite funny. He was a nice guy, but
he had a He had a thing with his girlfriend.
They kind of like they got on. He love his
girlfriend round and I would know when his girlfriend was
round because they were quite noisy, if you know what
I mean. They were quite noisy, but then they'd get
into the habit of having a big row. She would
then leave. It would be another day or two, and
then she'd be back again, and the whole cycle would
start up again, you know. I I looked at my
beds at door and saw it was open that morning,
and I went out and I bumped into the girlfriend
who was on the landing, and she said, oh, I
love philm She said, how are you. You are right?
I said, yeah, yeah, I'm good. Yeah. I didn't hear
you last night, I said, no, I got I came
over late. I said yeah. She said them you got
lucky last night. And I was like, excuse me? She said,
who was that? It was slipping out your doorway and
going down the stairs. I was like, sorry, I was
I was alone. You saw somebody, She said, oh yeah,
what do they look like? Said it was dark film,
but you could see that they were just they were
really quick. They just slipped. I saw someone slip out
for your doorway, come out and go straight downstairs. What
time is this, she said, It must have been about
two o'clock in the morning. And you saw that? She said,
oh yeah, yeah, but why what did you say? To her,
you must have said something that that kind of annoyed
and and she left. I said, no, I didn't have
anyone around. She said really yeah. I said, that's crazy.
I got ready for work and I went off to work. Now,
sometimes with night terrors, people often say, you know, you
were actually asleep. It's a portion of your brain which
when we sleep, we all move, we dream, and we
can't help but move for physically move because we're having
a dream about running, we're having a dream about walking,
we're having a dream about getting on a plane, We're
having a dream, whatever it may be. And to stop
our bodies from playing out that dream, our minds put
us in a state almost of a physical como, puts
us in a state where where we're unable to move.
And people often say, oh, you know that's that, that's
to blame. Where you're where you're having a night tavern,
you can't move and you think you're awake, when actually
you're not. I got ready for work and I went downstairs,
and as I was passing the shop which was below
the house where all the bedsits were, I saw that
they had a broken window, big glass pane window, and
it was boarded up. I stopped. I saw one of
the workmen in the board boarding it up and making good.
There was a glazier, so he was taking measurements to
put new sheet of glass in. Then the owner of
the off license it was off license funny, and it
came out. He said. I said, yeah, I said, what happened?
He said, oh, you wouldn't put it about. Must have
been around about quarter to two in the morning. He said.
These lunatics came like there must have been out of
their box on a drink or something. He said there
was half a dozen of them, and he said they
started messing around and broke my window. He said, I
wasn't here, but he said that the camera that he
had at the time picked it up. Now I heard
the confer I couldn't have been asleep thick because I
heard that outside before I saw the swirling mass that
morphed into this entity that I saw in the room.
The lady next door, the girlfriend, she saw something coming
out in the bedroom, the bedsit going down the staircase.
She said it was dark, it was fleeting. She couldn't
quite make it out. It was dark in the bedroom.
It was dark in the hallway. The only lights we
ever had in the Inner Communion where he is were
these push button ones. A lot of times they didn't work,
and how they worked was you pushed them in and
almost like a vacuum. They would take a little while
to pop out again and like on a timer, and
then when they popped out, like go out. But the
one upstairs didn't work very well anyway, But she saw
something come out of my room that early morning, So
that that was one one time that really stood out.
And when you ask, you know it was it a
defining moment? Yeah, that was, Vic, definitely a defining moment
in my life.
Speaker 2: I'd say it must have been Holy cal Phil. Most people,
they have a hard enough time getting through their lives
with the normal problems that we all have, but when
you have experiences like that, that's just too much. It
really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really, it stays with you and even now,
even now, it's it's really scary. It's it was hard
to talk about for a long long time. No one
would believe me, Vic, nobody ever believe me, but it
and it seems so personal, you know, it seemed like
it was so utterly bad, so utterly wrong, you know,
I kind of question myself. I mean, if it was
from me, why would I be having those feelings in me?
You know? And I don't think I've got those feelings
to despair and you know that the hate I felt,
so I think it was definitely something external. But it
was really difficult to deal with for the longest time.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. You know, life prepares you
to deal with a lot of adversity, but when it
comes to an experience like that, there's no way to
prepare for it. Now, having said that, Phil, we're about
twenty five minutes into this already and we haven't really
talked about your dog me under werewolf experiences yet, So
we're going to need to get down to brass tacks.
But before we do, I do have an important question
for you, and that is, it'd be so easy to
think about that experience as being all bad. But on
the bright side of things, if that was a demon
that you encountered that night, I'm not glad you encountered it,
but that right there is proof that demons definitely do exist. Well,
if demons definitely exist, than angels do as well, Heaven
does as well. Have you ever thought of that as
being proof that there is true divinity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't. I funny mentioned that I was brought
up Christian Church of England and if anything after that moment,
it brought me closer to God.
Speaker 2: Vick, Oh good, that's really good. Of course I hate
the fact you had to experience that, but if the
net result was it brought you closer to God than
that is positive in the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, No, for sure there is. And you
know that I've often found that with you know, the
name of Jesus Christ is a powerful, powerful name, and
a lot of entities out there they just run and
hide at that name. So a lot of times I
seek a lot of solace in the scriptures.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's wonderful. I really do. If you've
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please tell us about your encounters now with Dogman that is,
and we're wolves please give us every last detail that
comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, my first were wolf encounter. Now, I was
brought up knowing that Hammer House of horror films and
the old black and white films were growing up. You
see long chainey chained to a chair in a dark
basement on a night with whispers of clouds threatening to
reveal the moon in its full glory, and then him changing.
That was the sort of thing, and I just thought,
it's a film. It's make belief, you know, it's it's
just it's a film. It looked really, you know, good,
well done. And I never dreamed that they actually did exist. Now,
I was eight years old as around August nineteen seventy four.
It was school holidays. I can't remember the exact date. Anyway,
Mum has taking me to see great Auntie Sissy. Great
Auntie Sissy was my grandma's sister. Now, she had quite
big house and she was a good cook as well, Vick.
So I quite enjoyed going to stay with great Auntie
Sissy because my mother, my mother's cooking was tantamount too,
were cruelty, you know, she was kind of like, not
the best cook in the world. My mother bless her, so, yeah,
Auntie a great answer. She was like great cook. So
I quite quite enjoyed it. And she had a brilliant
garden which I'll come to in a minute or two,
really big and play football and run around in there.
The garden itself was had islands of rose bushes and
in the they were quite important to a story really,
because there was also these iron steaks driven into the
ground everywhere. And she'd often say, my mum asked Auntie
Sissy that you should take the steaks up because they're
quite dangerous. You know. If phil or Philly as Mumba
to call me, if Philly like kind of fell over,
he could injure himself on, you know. And I just said,
I'll stop fussing. Mumba's okay, I won't fall over invariably,
I used to. Now. Auntie Cissy's house was quite a
big house, and it was a bit like a museum inside,
a museum of her life. Really. It was all wood
paneling on the walls, and it was like lots of
shadows dancing around on the walls inside because there was
overgrown plants and trees on the windows, which like when
they would wave, they would like I always remember the
shadows dancing around. But yeah, wooden clad walls everywhere. It's
quite old fashioned place, you know. And it was filled
with a smell of lavender mixed with slight decay of
what has been and gone. Do you know, like old books?
She had many old books and really weird old books.
At a time. Remember I was eight, I didn't really
understand a lot of stuff Auntie says he had. But
she had a lot of kind of I would call
it junk, but you know, she had treasured possessions and
really old, kind of odd looking some of the stuff
she had. Now, she always had a rule with me,
and she said, you know, Phil, she said, you can
do as you please. Okay, I'm not your mother. She said,
if you want to come in, you want to go out,
you want to plate, that's fine. She said, I'm here
to make sure that you don't get into trouble. And
she said I'm here if you need me. I said, oh,
it's great, okay. I said one rule I will have, though,
and that is I don't want you playing down the
bottom of the garden when it starts getting dark. So
Auntie's sister's garden was a quite a big garden. It
went down a long way. At the end was a
gate and fencing, and that there was a boundary beyond that.
It was a wood, not big wood, a small wood.
She lived in a place called Ipswich in Suffolk. It's
right close to christ Church on christ Church Park in Suffolk.
Our family kind of on my mom's side came from
that area for generations. My mother was born in christ
Church in Ipswich, so you know, they knew it. I
knew it relatively well. Spent a fair bit of time
there now the end fence looking out onto this woodland.
I was always intrigued by the gate because I would
often ask great answers. I say, look, you know, can
I go through the gate and go into the wood?
You know beyond to muck around and investigate is like
a red rag to a ball to a little kids.
You know, you get bored in the garden after a
little while and you think, you know, there's only rose bushes,
islands of rose bushes and little else. I wanted to
go out into the wood and have a little look around.
She said, no, no, our gate doesn't get open. I
was like, why, She said, it just doesn't. Don't question
me I was like, okay, I won't. I you know
you wouldn't. She's not a lady who'd mess around with
a great Auntie Sissy. So I just took it as
being that. But I would go down towards the gate.
When I did, I saw the padlock was old, big, rusted,
hadn't been opened for a long time. I also noticed,
not on the fences either side there were six foot
fences in height. Not on the fences, but on the
gate there were scratch marks, school marks. I put it
down to perhaps cats. Where we used to live where
I lived with my mum and dad, that often happened
with the cats. They had come over and then go
back over double quick time when they saw the dog
on the other side. So I was used to seeing
scratches on the fence. Cats do that. Dad used to
get angry because he had to recreate defence every now
and then because of it. But these scratches my Auntie
Sissy had on her gate was different. They were deeper
and bigger. I didn't ask Auntie Sissy about them. I
just accepted them to be scratches on the gate. I didn't.
It didn't enter my mind. It didn't it wasn't something
I even contemplated that, you know, what caused them didn't
enter my mind. Just scratches on the gate, that's what
it was. But I remember them now. After the event.
It got late in the evening, I was out playing,
still was playing football, and I heard her shout come
from Auntie Sissy. She was standing at the kitchen door.
The kitchen door was more or less directly facing this gate,
but the house was way up the garden. And I
turned around and I heard her calling me. And she'd
always call me, not phil, not Philly, Philip. Let's say
like that, Philip, what I told you is getting dark.
And I was like, oh, okay, then here we go.
All right, I'm coming in a hurry up. I told
you it's getting dark. Old stinker will get you, old stinker.
I asked her about old. Who's old? Who's old stinker?
Speaker 2: What are you on about?
Speaker 1: Now? She was eccentric. She was you know, the family knew.
Great Auntie says he was out there. My sister would
call like, well, you're not going to mad old Aunty sisses.
Everyone knew she was a bit strange. She lost her
husband sometime in the past, but she was still talk
to her husband quite openly as if he was there.
That was noted by a family. I just thought it
was a quirk. I just thought she was just a
bit odd really, but you know, good cook. So that
was enough for me and a big garden. So I
went up to the kitchen and I said, oh, sorry, Auntie,
it's just it's fine. Go get yourself something tweet. I
forget what she cooked. I think it might have been
a stewardt the time. Go get yourself something to eat,
get a bath, you stink, get a bath and gets
up to bed. Can I did that? I was in bed,
and she always used to leave the bedroom door open slightly. Now,
Auntie Sitsy never had a radio. She never had a TV.
Oh right, even for those days, but she wouldn't have
them in the house, so she was in the lounge.
She was old school. If you don't use the light
and you're not in so if you're not in the room,
turn the light off. She kindly left the hallway light upstairs,
so it shined a little bit into the bedroom where
I was. I was in bed. The bedroom was the
back room one level up. It was just a a
floor upstairs floor downstairs. That was at a normal house,
and it overlooked the garden. Had nets and curtains. I
remember them being really thick and quite try how there
was like red, big red rose pattern curtains and football creepy.
I used to see faces in the curtains when they,
you know, were drawn. I was like, oh, you know,
a bit like Paradolia with clouds, you know. But as
a kid's imagination, I guess, you know. I kind of
fell asleep, but then woke up. I thought of, yeah,
it's going to help be hard getting that sleep. At
the moment I thought it was going to be hard
getting that sleep again, I heard the tapping, and the
tapping was coming from the window. Auntie City was in
the lounge and the kitchen light was off. The kitchen
light would shine down the garden. The light lounge light
wouldn't shine on the garden, not fully, not fully. It
was in a different position. I was directly above the
kitchen door. I was the directly bedroom was and that
light was off. I heard tapping again, three taps, tap
tap tap, and then again I was in bed still
tap tap tap. I got up. I didn't shout for
Antie Sissy, but silly. I don't know what I'll be
shouting about. First of all, so I got up, had
a look, went over to the window, opened up, the curtains,
couldn't see anything. There was no bird there. It was
about I guess eleven o'clock at night, somewhere around that time.
I only know that because I'd had a bath. I
came in and it was about half nine ten o'clock,
just starting to get dark, so it must have been
about an hour later. I reckon it was August. Remember,
so the UK doesn't really start getting dark till about
half ten eleven o'clock when it gets really dark in
August time. Opened up, the curtains, couldn't see anything, couldn't
see anything, causing a tapping. Look down the garden, couldn't
see anything dark A bit moonlight, but not a lot.
It would partially get covered up with clouds and then
come out again and you see a bit more. For
some reason, I then looked directly down, which meant I
had to sort of beato a little bit to look
down directly down. As I did, I saw two orange
bright orbs lights they were and I was transfixed. I said, well,
I thought it was Auntie sissy out in the garden
doing something, up to something. I looked carefully. My eyes
grew accustomed to the dark, and I saw that they
weren't orbs, they were eyes. They were eyes. And then
could make out a mouth, and his mouth was uh long,
it came out a long way. You know what I
mean by that is, I mean it's there was a muzzle.
There was a dog's muzzle. It was a dog's face.
It looked like an alsatian. His teeth were white white.
I have dogs, now, I've always had dogs. And my dogs, yeah, okay,
they getting old. But even with normal dogs, teeth they
kind of get a bit, they get plack and a
bit yellow up by the gum. These were brilliant white teeth.
I must have been from the bedroom window of about
fifteen foot away from it, looking down. The eyes glowed,
they clothed sort of a yellow amber, a glow, and
it was looking directly at me. And I don't know
why I didn't run, but I didn't run. I was transfixed.
What got me was it was it was it was
moving its mouth. It was it was almost as if
it was saying something big. It's like it was talking.
I couldn't hear it through the glass. I only knew
that because it was the teeth would disappear and then
come back and disappear and then come back. And I
look carefully see that long mouth moving quite wide as well,
and it went right back into its head. The mouth did.
His ears were long, but high up on its head,
just standing there. And I mean it was standing there.
Vic it was on two legs. It's bipedal. This thing
was standing on two legs. Now why I said that
the the rose bushes in the garden were quite important,
It was because it was looking back. The only gauge
on size that I had this is looking back, there
was large iron steaks put in by those bushes. I
thought it was, you know, kind of so that it
would train them support them, you know, m gardeners do that,
you know. But they were high, really high, these things were,
you know, they were they were, they were, they were.
I mean I would hazard a guests. They were around
about five foot high out ground, so they were in
the ground for about a foot and then they were
five or five feet out, which was high to me
at eight years old. Now, the only contrast I had
looking at this werewolf density is because it was another
three foot higher than one of those stakes in the ground, easily, easily,
even though I was looking down, I could see easily
it was at least another three foot higher. Then I'll
explain why I think it's a wear wolf. And it
must have been more than about thirty seconds to a
minute that I was trying to fixed, just standing there
looking down at this thing. And then the light in
the kitchen went on, and this blade of amber light
went down the garden and it fully lit up this creature.
And it was wearing a T shirt, a white T shirt.
It was also wearing jeans. I didn't see the feet,
couldn't make the feet out, didn't see them. There was
T shirt and jeans. Auntie Cissy came to the door,
the kitchen door. She didn't scream. I was expecting her
to scream, to cry, screaming to run away. No, she
used the broom and she's a get away whatever I
told you, old stinker, you don't come to the house,
now go.
Speaker 2: Leave.
Speaker 1: Now. I heard this through the house. It air comeing
through the house. This creature went down onto all fours
quadrupedal like it was natural. It was natural to her
when it did. It's muscles rippled. Now I know the
muscle groups. I could see the biceps, the triceps, the
rotorcuff muscles rippled, rippling underneath that stretched T shirt. It
looked dirty, but I don't think it wore. I think
what I was seeing was the fur. The fur was
like Sonic, the hedgehole goun mental. It was a silvery gray,
quite spiky. It had a mane of hair as well
on its neck. I noticed that because it looked almost
like it had a hunch, especially when it went down,
and their hair was underneath the T shirt pushing it up.
And that's why I thought it looked dirty the tear,
so I think it was the fur which was making
it look a bit patches. But this thing was built
and then made a growling. I heard that, and then
it went off down the garden. It went like a chat.
I didn't see it hit the fence. I just heard
the fence go bang and that and that was it.
I didn't see anymore. I asked Great Auntie Sissy. I said,
I went downstairs. She just said get back up. Now.
It was until the morning that I was able to
ask her, and she said, we don't talk about him.
Do we feel I told you about him. We don't
talk about him. You don't need to know. And that's
what I saw. Vic.
Speaker 2: If that wasn't a superin experience, I don't know what was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It put a whole different perspective on
my life, my schooling, everything I became. I became quite introvert.
I I had problems with spelling and reading anyway, which
which kind of kept me separate from other kids. In
a way, I was dyslexic, I later found out. But
I had trouble. I had trouble mixing, especially with big groups,
and I had trouble in I didn't want to share
anything with my life. I didn't want I didn't want anyone.
I didn't want anyone to know what I'd seen. I
didn't want to to to to sing. I didn't want
people getting close to me. Fack. And the reason I,
looking back, I really think it's because, uh, I I
felt different anyway, being dyslexic. I felt different. I felt
like I was slower than other kids. I couldn't read
as quick, couldn't write as quickly. I wrote phonetic, I
wrote as it sounded, which you know, kind of put
me back. If I was to allow people to get
any closer, I know that perhaps I would tell the
truth and I'd say, oh, I've seen a werewolf, and
that would be the my my any chances of being
integrated within uh, you know, school, I would just be
ostracized totally, especially the schools I went to. You know,
they were quite religious schools. They were the type of
schools where in the morning before you can have a
cup of coffee behind the bike, Chad, you you had
your form class where they kind of like, you know,
be a cock vow Davis, whatever name you had, and
then straight into the hall to sing cat Stephens songs,
cross legged and hymns. It was quite religious, you know,
quite religious upbringing, and I didn't want any of what
I've seen to be shared or to anyone to know,
so I thought it was about to keep it to
myself completely.
Speaker 2: You know what's really so tragic about that is the
one thing that would have helped you most, being able
to be open about that experience, you couldn't do for
the reasons you just laid out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I said, Bick. I couldn't talk to Dad
about it, but Dad though, no way, and Mom she
Mum was a good mum, but she was if Dad said,
you know, he's lying, exaggerating, Mom would believe that.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, their relationships like that. It's just unfortunate
that your parents had a relationship like that because if
your dad was closed off to it, then it sure
would have been nice if your mother would have been
open to talking with you about that. But yeah, that's
just not how it was. Now, I know you've had
at least one more we're wolf encounter besides that first
one when you're eight. What can you tell us about
the next one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had an encounter. There's two. There's three different
types of dog men that I know of. Dog men
differ from were wolves. I just want to get that
straight to people, just so that you know, we get
this clarified now. I know I'll probably take a bit
of stick for this because everyone's got their own. Nothing
is I can't verify this. I can't verify this. It's
just from experience and what I know. But uh, were
wolves are They're not indigenous. They're created by magic and
spell There's a school of thought that to create where
wolf you have to go things through things like a
Judas ritual, which is a very awful type of ritual,
very dark, where wolves are bigger than dog men on
the whole an alpha where wolf against the alpha dog men,
it would dwarf a dog man. They can be up
to fifteen foot tall. Where wolves they are huge because
they're made of magic and spell they they can be
categorized as being shape shifters. Now, I know that there'll
be those out there which will be you know really,
but there's been lots of instances with with dog man
with wearables. There was there was there was an incident
in the u K. And I'll just briefly talk about this.
There's a case of Bill Ramsey. Bill Ramsey used to
live in a place called self End on Sea in Essex.
In the case of Bill Ramsey is one of the
most fully documented and extreme accounts on record. The first
instance occurred in nineteen fifty two when rams he was
nine years old okay, and he was overcome by an
icy cold, a breeze and a foul stench before being
filled with an intense rage. He exhibited superhuman strength, uprooting
a fence post and gnawing on wya mesh. For years,
he was plagued by nightmares and nineteen eighty three experienced
another episode, growling and attempting to buy a friend in
a car. Later that year, he was admitted to hospital
and chest pains, where he suddenly bit a nurse's arm
and went on a rampage, exhibiting a hunched posture, claw
like hands, and beared lips. Eighty seven, another violent transformation
occurred at a police station, requiring a dozen officers a
dozen officers to hisstrain him. These things go on with
this case in particular, it was investigated by Lorraine ed
and Lorraine Won came over because at the time they
were going to the Infield Poltergeist House, and it was
Lorraine that felt sorry for Bill. Ramsey heard about the
story and went to visit him. After they visited him,
it wasn't ed Fort, you know, he's making it up.
It was Lorraine. They said, no, he wasn't. They paid
for him to be if I believe it was right.
They paid for him to be flown over to the
States where he underwent a exorcism, and this was in
nineteen eighty nine. It was in Connecticut, performed by Bishop
Robert McKenna. During the ritual of exoricism, Ramsey reportedly took
on a diferent appearance with a contorted face and clawed
hands since the exorcism, though no further incidance had ever
been recorded. These things are real. These things are part
of magic with were wolves. It's I had a a
friend of mine that I used to work with, and
he was I used to work on building sites and
I was like doing a lot of plumbing and other
stuff like that in the first fixed work. And he
was a telehandler driver. And before he was a telehandler driver,
which is like a big forklift telehandler, you know, it
takes big palettes off a truck and do a whole
menagerie of different things on site. Before he were that,
he was working in commerce for a banking firm. This
is how it affects people. Some experiences. I was working
in a plot which was a house first, fixing all
the pipework. Anyway, I was listening to your show Funny enough,
I was listening to your podcast in there on the radio,
and this guy came in. Let's call him Keith. Anyway,
he came in. He said that you were write a film.
I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, good bit coming up. Hold
on a minute, Cay, is what are you listening to
have it come off on the man in counsas Radia.
Speaker 2: And is that?
Speaker 1: Oh? Now, he didn't believe in ghosts. He didn't believe
in anything like that. But when he heard about you
in the program and what was going on, he said,
I had the experience with that. I was like, really,
he said, yeah, he said, he said, when I worked
in commerce. He said, we had some people who flew
over and we wanted them to take out a big
loan with our particular bank. And we're talking big money now.
The people that flew over they had come from. I
wanted to say, it was, if I remember rightly, somewhere
in southern America, so it might be in Brazil, run
that way, perhaps South America way. Anyway, he said that
they were having lunch and they done the deal. And
it took four days to get this deal done. He said,
four days to finally convince them to take the loan
out with our company, our banking company, which they did.
So they celebrated in the ahead of meal and they
were all laughing. They were chatting, and he said one
of his colleagues, it was the guys who were getting
the loan on one side, of the table and his
company on the other side of the table, and he
said there was one guy there who was like just off.
He said, you know, if he just felt off, he
looked off. He he never spoke in English. He always
spoke to one single colleague friend of his in their
native language. But he said it wasn't any language that
I understood to be. He said, it was just strange.
It was an odd kind of almost like Esperanto. That's
way he described it. The guy was quite, you know,
clewed up. He was he kind of like new stuff.
He was worth more than his present job. Was put
it that way. But I found out why he's doing
his present job as a a handler a bit later on.
But anyway, he said, there was a meal, their drinks,
and then someone cracked a joke and when they did,
this guy, the strange guy, put his head back, and
as he did he was laughing. He said, Phil, his
whole face changed slightly as he was laughing so hard
his face went back, and he said it looked like
his mouth was just elongated large. His eyes changed into
more catlike looking eyes, you know, the pupils were vertical.
And then he looked directly at Keith across the table
saw that Keith was seeing his face change and he
just gave him a look like if you tell anyone
that's it. And Keith just he felt sick and had
to leave the room. He just he had to leave
the room. He felt physically sick. He said that, but
that was no human. He said that that chap, that
strange one that never spoke English, that only ever spoke
to one other person in his own party. He said
he was off because he was not human. Film and
he said, soon afterwards, I got out the whole arena,
he said, the Upper Echeln arena of all these big
meetings with his big top wigs who've got loads of
tons of money. He said that, he said, got out
of that completely. He said, We're quite happy now, just
working on site, knowing what I'm doing, but not mixing
with those type of people. He said, they put me
off and that was why he That was his account
he gave me. I found that very strange. I'm not sure.
I'm not saying that was a werewolf, not saying that
it was. He said to me that it had. I said,
what did it look like? He said? He said, do
you know when Michael Jackson changed into that werewolf in
that video thriller VIC. He said, when he started changing
into that face, before he became there was a there
was an intermediate face that Michael Jackson had and he
said it was that face, you know in his eyes
had like those yellowish cat eyes, and he did have
a muzzle, but his mouth just got bigger. Michael Jackson's
mouth has got bigger and it kind of turned into
that smile, that weird smile. He said that was the
face just before he turned into that were wolf. That
was the face exactly. When he told me that, I
was like, you're kidding. He's like, no, no, no, seriously,
and he was proper nuts and bolts guys. He didn't
believe in. He did not. I used to listen to
a lot of stuff about a lot of different things.
But there was your podcast that was on at the time,
because we're talking and you were talking about were wolves
at the time, actually dog Man and were wolves again,
you know, it was someone else, and I was like,
I'm really fraud because of my own experience when I
was younger, I was like really, and I told Keith,
I'm listening. I'm listening. But when he came out with
this account, I was like, Marly hit me sideways.
Speaker 2: I can understand why it would. Well, even after all
that you've been through, you don't expect to hear about
things like that. You really don't. I'm looking at the
clock here, Phil, I see that we are about ten
minutes away from your time where you've got to be
out of here to go do your own show. With
that in mind, we haven't even talked about your dog
mean encounters yet. Would you buy a chance be open
for coming back next week to talk about your dog
mean encounters and answer some questions?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love to. Yeah, I've got I've got quite
a few dog man encounters, quite a few of them. Yeah,
I'd love to, and also go for the different types
of dog man that I've come across. That'd be great.
Speaker 2: Big thank you, Oh no, thank you. Well, yeah, I
appreciate your interest in coming back to do that. Of
course I'm looking forward to that, and behind the scenes,
I'll get with you to get that scheduled and everything.
But for now, I just want to thank you so
much for coming on here and sharing all these experiences
with us. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Vick and I just want to say, Look,
it's a dream come true being on your show after
listening to it for so long, and I've got the
greatest admiration for you because you help people. You don't
just you give people a platform, and those people's voices,
including myself, wouldn't be heard. There isn't anything really out
there which doesn't which you give people a platform without
any ridicule. You're very, very kind in a way that
you listen to people. You have the patience. And I
just want to say, after so many years listen to
your show, I just want to say, you know, behalf
of myself. You ever me on the show. Thank you
for letting me share what I've shared so far.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm glad to do it, glad to give you
a platform to do that. And speaking of a platform, Phil,
before we do get out of here, please tell us
about dog Me and TP Hunting and how we can
listen to it.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, fake here. I started it a few years
ago and it's on YouTube. So if you put in
dog Man TP Hunting, that's TB pub It's a bit
of a strange one. I know there is there is
a reason for it, and I'll explain it next time.
But dog Man TP Hunting on YouTube. I'm also on Facebook.
If you put in Phil last NAMEE Cots for oil
k O t V A L. You can hit me
up on Facebook as well and it'll be you know,
good to catch up with you, talk to you. I
am UK based. If there's any UK witnesses or anyone
wants to have a chat or I can help in
any way, and please do so. I'm always here.
Speaker 2: Interesting when I tell you, Phil is as easy to
talk with as he seems when you listen to this show.
He's a good me in. You can take that to
the bank. And also that's right. One last important thing
from one understand you've got a low quality guest coming
on your own show on dog Me and Tpee Hunting
in the near future. Please expand on that for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got quite a few. I've got a guest
on this this evening.
Speaker 2: I was talking about myself. I wouldn't see the low
quality guests about real guests. I was talking about.
Speaker 1: Myself, of course, Vick red Carpet. No, of course, I
am so absolutely so choughed to be saying that Vic
Kundiff will be on dog Man TP hunting on our show.
I just can't wait to have him on because you know,
we know about his his guests, his witnesses. But I
really want to talk to Vic about himself, you know,
and ask him about how he got into this. You know,
I'd like to just sort of get to.
Speaker 2: Know you, Vick.
Speaker 1: I really would. I think there's a lot of people
out there that feel the same. You'd just like to
know about you and your feelings and your opinions on
this whole after all these years and I had they changed.
That would be so great to hear.
Speaker 2: Well. I'd love to do that. I'd love to give
my opinion on anything. So I'm looking forward to it,
and of course, thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 1: Oh you're more than welcome. You're more than welcome, and
I just can't wait for it to be brilliant. So
that would be hopefully on May the fourth. You'll be
recording it, hopefully.
Speaker 2: Paul, there's no hopefully to it. I'll be ready with bells.
Speaker 1: I ah, brilliant, excellent. That's great news. And thank you
so much for this chance. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Having said that, thanks again so much
for your time there, Phil have a great night