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the show for any time. I'm sure it's not lost

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on you that I don't believe that where wolves exist

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because I haven't bumped into one, and that's something that

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to buy in hook line and sinker with regards to

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their existence, I'd have to actually see one. Now, I've

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always been one to say anything's possible in this crazy world,

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so I'm not going to rule out the possibility that

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they exist. But when it comes to tonight's guest, Phil Cottvall,

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he knows that where wolves exist. That's because unfortunately he

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had an encounter with one when he was eight. But

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we'll get to that later on. First let's bring him

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in here. Phil, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, hi, Vic, thank you for having me on. I

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appreciate that, really the thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for coming on. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Phil.

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Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, the night as Vic said it, so, Phil

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quote out aka Doncman tpe hunting. I'm an experiencer fifty

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nine with a longtime partner to Jack Russell Taviers, who

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are getting on a bit now pretty ordinarly. Really, if

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there's a thing really with my career path, it's been

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really mostly chance rather than design. I've done been a

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plumber to an inventor. I've been as sensitive I would say,

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two things which some would call arcane, some are called paranormal.

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For most of my life that I can remember, I've

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been always very interested because of this. When I was

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a small kid, I used to go to the library

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and always go to the section which was Faseball section,

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which was under fiction mostly, and pick out the books

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on ghosts and look less Monster and look through the

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old black and white photos where you see Lessie's long

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legs sticking up out of the water. So I always

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had an interest in it. I've kept the secrets. Really,

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what's happened to me. The things that have happened to me,

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I've kept secret for a long time. I didn't really

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speak very much about them. No one really would believe me,

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to be honest, Vic, you know, if I spoke about

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them earlier. My mother knew some of it, as you

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know from the stories when I recount them, the accounts

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she was with me on a couple of occasions. My dad, though,

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no way, no way. With my dad, he was very

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he was a mechanic, he was very black and white.

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He wouldn't entertain at all the idea of anything which

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would be not the norm in capsuring, not the normal.

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So I knew better really than to confront Dad with

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any any experiences I had from an early age. You know,

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I would say that really, Yeah, like I said, my

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life thus far really has been half chance of luck, really,

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but the one true reliable path has always been knowing

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that I will attract some would say coincidences. I say

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written law also acutely conscious of the shadow, the peripheral,

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and the monsters are hiding it. So that's pretty much

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me really, Vic.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing to be told about monsters hiding in

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the shadows, but it's totally different to see them hiding

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there in the shadows, which that's you. You've done that

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seems like you are a magnet for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be, and it hasn't been out

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of choice. Has just been something which I seem to

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have attracted for some reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a magnet. Some people just are. It's hard

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to explain why they do draw these things in, but

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that's just how it is. Now. I've had some pretty

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notable things happen to me in my life, But you've

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had profound experience. After a profound experience. With that in mind,

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how do you have any kind of normalcy in your life?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I carry on with my job. I'm in a

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work at the moment, looking forward to retirement, maybe an

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a few years off yet, but looking forward to that.

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How I cope with it is I try and understand it.

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try and meet it head on and understand that which

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which presents itself and has presented itself in the past.

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it for myself in my head. Everybody's different. I'm not

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saying that what I choose to do is the right

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way of doing it, but for me, confronting and trying

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to understand is the right move. It helps me. It

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helps me. That's why I quite actively load on videos,

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I quite actively go on investigations, I go out in

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the woods. Still I go out. I do a lot

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of nighttime investigation daytime as well, because do you know,

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I believe that it's not maybe a case that they

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want to contact with dog Man and other entities. I

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don't think it maybe is a case that they particularly

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want to contact us. Maybe we're narcissistic in our thinking

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that you know, we're something special and that they're they're

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they're confronting us because of that. Maybe what they're actually

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doing is they're appearing to us to change our perception,

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to nudge us in a direction, which some tagged and

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I use that term loosely, but some tagged people, some

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people that are more susceptible, more open to these entities,

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they nudge us in a direction, and it maybe is

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a kind of a way of understanding the language that

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they're trying to use what they want to show us.

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It's all suppositioned, but it's just an idea.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're right years as good as anyone else's and

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considering how you've wrote elbows with these guys as many

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times as you have, I think that puts you a

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tier above most Some eye witnesses cheerish their encounters like

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prized possessions. Do you see your encounters as defining you

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or something you don't place much importance on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the encounters that I've had have all been defining.

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Some have been like the were wolf encounter I had

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when I was young. That was a defining moment. Another

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defining moment in my life was I saw what would

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be tantamount to a demon in the shape. It came

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in the form of a shadow, and I was once again.

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perhaps they've suffered some kind of trauma in their life,

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and it's at that point that these entities will appear

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to that person. For me, just briefly, it was a

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shadow entity. I woke up at night and must have

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been early hours of the morning. I don't actually know

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the time, it must have been early hours, I guess.

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single room in a house, a shared house, and it

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was a townhouse, so it's free stories. It was in

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a place called Chiswick, which is a burb of London,

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just outside of central London, and I was working in

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the area I had I had a horrible breakup with

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a girlfriend, and I was feeling quite depressed. To be honest,

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I was feeling quite depressed. Now I went to sleep.

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I'd work next morning. I called it a school night

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because it was like you know, I did used to

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drink in those days once again pastor with you know,

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for me, it became a bit of an addiction. At

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the time, I wasn't. It wasn't a problem. I still

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went to work, I still functioned, but I relied on it,

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you know. Of an evening when I went home, and

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you know, anyway, I wasn't drinking this one evening and

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I fell asleep. I then woke up, and I'm not

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sure why I woke up, but I woke up that

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something woke me up. And I looked across the room

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with this bed sit. It's all dark except for a

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glow coming in through the window. And I was in

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the top floor. I was at the third floor up

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in this townhouse, so very high, and I heard a

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crash down below, and directly down below where the bedset was.

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heard a crash and I heard people like talking, and

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like almost like an argument going on. I was half asleep.

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I woke up and the room was dark. I didn't

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quite I was very disorientated. I didn't quite know what

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was going on. And it was then I looked across

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towards the window where the stand was coming in from,

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and I saw a swirl, a black swell, and it

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was darker. This black swell was of like a mist,

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like a vortex of black mist, and it formed out

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from a circle of mist into a shape. And this

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shape looked like a figure. It looked like a person,

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but it was different. It was odd, It was strange.

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they were long. Yes it had arms they were long.

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up of triangles. If you can imagine the old depictions

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of pied piper. It looked to have a pied piper's

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pointy hat. It had like a skirt on. But the

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best way do you've ever seen Blackadder? And in the

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Blackadder comedy series. In Edwardian times, the men used to

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wear these real strange kind of furling skirts, you know,

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the men used to it used to be sitting in fashion.

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Thank god that fashion wentever. And so I saw it

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was a too d image because it was a shadow,

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and it went slowly across the wall from the window,

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and my bed was facing the wall, so if you

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like the windows to right hand side, the door coming

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into the bedset was on my left hand side. The

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shadow entity, whatever it was, was moving across the wall

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towards the door from the left, sorry, from the right

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where the window was, to the left where the door was.

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It turned. I could not move vic my arms. It

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felt like someone was holding them down. I could not

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move my arms. I could not move my legs, but

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I was conscious. I was awake now. It then came

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it seemed when it saw me, it seemed to come closer.

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How it seemed to me. It seemed to come closer,

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and it grew owled. It said something in a growy voice.

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I can't make out what it was. I still to

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this day do not understand what it said. And then

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it went back, and it continued on against the wall

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and went out through the bedsit door. Now, I had

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a feeling from this entity when it stopped looked at me,

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and the feeling was something which I never want to

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feel again, I never want to experience again. It was

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worse than any dog man creature I've come seen, or

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come close to, all wear wolf fantasy. Worse. It was

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a feeling of despair, of a blanket of black encapsulating despair, grief, pain.

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was so bad that remember I couldn't move my arms

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or legs. I was so scared. Now, I was twenty

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eight at the time. I was so scared. I weed myself,

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I urinated. I was that scared. Now. The thing that

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got me was sometimes you hope, you hope that it's imagination.

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tricks with you. You hope this. I hoped it was

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this because I could seek some comfort in that knowing that,

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do you know, it seemed real, But actually it wasn't,

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and it was just it was just imagined. In the morning,

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I came to the realization and that it wasn't imagined,

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and there was something in my room and it was evil.

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I woke up and the door was open. My bedset

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door was open. There's only little events, but it's just

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little nuggets of events which proved something to me and

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brought it home in a big way. I always kept

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the bedset door closed and locked. The reason I did

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that is because it's a shared house. As I said,

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it's a very transient thing living in a bedset. People

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come and go all the while. There's so much so

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that with the rooms that people stay in that are

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rented out, very often they have shackles and padlocks on

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the outside of the door because the landlord's every time

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someone does a fly by night and leaves and doesn't

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tell the landlord, or he locks the door up from

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the outside so no one else can get in until

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it's rented out again. Now my only had one other

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person who lived on across the landing from me on

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he had a He had a thing with his girlfriend.

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girlfriend round and I would know when his girlfriend was

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into the habit of having a big row. She would

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then leave. It would be another day or two, and

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then she'd be back again, and the whole cycle would

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start up again, you know. I I looked at my

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beds at door and saw it was open that morning,

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and I went out and I bumped into the girlfriend

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who was on the landing, and she said, oh, I

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love philm She said, how are you. You are right?

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I said, yeah, yeah, I'm good. Yeah. I didn't hear

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you last night, I said, no, I got I came

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over late. I said yeah. She said them you got

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lucky last night. And I was like, excuse me? She said,

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who was that? It was slipping out your doorway and

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going down the stairs. I was like, sorry, I was

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I was alone. You saw somebody, She said, oh yeah,

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what do they look like? Said it was dark film,

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but you could see that they were just they were

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really quick. They just slipped. I saw someone slip out

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for your doorway, come out and go straight downstairs. What

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time is this, she said, It must have been about

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two o'clock in the morning. And you saw that? She said,

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oh yeah, yeah, but why what did you say? To her,

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you must have said something that that kind of annoyed

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and and she left. I said, no, I didn't have

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anyone around. She said really yeah. I said, that's crazy.

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I got ready for work and I went off to work. Now,

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sometimes with night terrors, people often say, you know, you

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were actually asleep. It's a portion of your brain which

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when we sleep, we all move, we dream, and we

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can't help but move for physically move because we're having

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a dream about running, we're having a dream about walking,

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we're having a dream about getting on a plane, We're

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having a dream, whatever it may be. And to stop

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our bodies from playing out that dream, our minds put

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us in a state almost of a physical como, puts

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us in a state where where we're unable to move.

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And people often say, oh, you know that's that, that's

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to blame. Where you're where you're having a night tavern,

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you can't move and you think you're awake, when actually

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you're not. I got ready for work and I went downstairs,

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and as I was passing the shop which was below

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the house where all the bedsits were, I saw that

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they had a broken window, big glass pane window, and

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it was boarded up. I stopped. I saw one of

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the workmen in the board boarding it up and making good.

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There was a glazier, so he was taking measurements to

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put new sheet of glass in. Then the owner of

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the off license it was off license funny, and it

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came out. He said. I said, yeah, I said, what happened?

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He said, oh, you wouldn't put it about. Must have

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been around about quarter to two in the morning. He said.

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These lunatics came like there must have been out of

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their box on a drink or something. He said there

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was half a dozen of them, and he said they

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started messing around and broke my window. He said, I

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wasn't here, but he said that the camera that he

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had at the time picked it up. Now I heard

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the confer I couldn't have been asleep thick because I

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heard that outside before I saw the swirling mass that

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morphed into this entity that I saw in the room.

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The lady next door, the girlfriend, she saw something coming

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out in the bedroom, the bedsit going down the staircase.

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She said it was dark, it was fleeting. She couldn't

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quite make it out. It was dark in the bedroom.

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It was dark in the hallway. The only lights we

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ever had in the Inner Communion where he is were

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these push button ones. A lot of times they didn't work,

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and how they worked was you pushed them in and

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almost like a vacuum. They would take a little while

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to pop out again and like on a timer, and

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then when they popped out, like go out. But the

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one upstairs didn't work very well anyway, But she saw

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something come out of my room that early morning, So

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that that was one one time that really stood out.

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And when you ask, you know it was it a

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defining moment? Yeah, that was, Vic, definitely a defining moment

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in my life.

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Speaker 2: I'd say it must have been Holy cal Phil. Most people,

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they have a hard enough time getting through their lives

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with the normal problems that we all have, but when

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you have experiences like that, that's just too much. It

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really is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really, it stays with you and even now,

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even now, it's it's really scary. It's it was hard

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to talk about for a long long time. No one

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would believe me, Vic, nobody ever believe me, but it

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and it seems so personal, you know, it seemed like

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it was so utterly bad, so utterly wrong, you know,

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I kind of question myself. I mean, if it was

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from me, why would I be having those feelings in me?

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You know? And I don't think I've got those feelings

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to despair and you know that the hate I felt,

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so I think it was definitely something external. But it

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was really difficult to deal with for the longest time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. You know, life prepares you

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to deal with a lot of adversity, but when it

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comes to an experience like that, there's no way to

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prepare for it. Now, having said that, Phil, we're about

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twenty five minutes into this already and we haven't really

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talked about your dog me under werewolf experiences yet, So

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we're going to need to get down to brass tacks.

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But before we do, I do have an important question

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for you, and that is, it'd be so easy to

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think about that experience as being all bad. But on

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the bright side of things, if that was a demon

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that you encountered that night, I'm not glad you encountered it,

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but that right there is proof that demons definitely do exist. Well,

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if demons definitely exist, than angels do as well, Heaven

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does as well. Have you ever thought of that as

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being proof that there is true divinity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't. I funny mentioned that I was brought

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up Christian Church of England and if anything after that moment,

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it brought me closer to God.

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Speaker 2: Vick, Oh good, that's really good. Of course I hate

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the fact you had to experience that, but if the

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net result was it brought you closer to God than

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that is positive in the end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, No, for sure there is. And you

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know that I've often found that with you know, the

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name of Jesus Christ is a powerful, powerful name, and

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a lot of entities out there they just run and

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hide at that name. So a lot of times I

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seek a lot of solace in the scriptures.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's wonderful. I really do. If you've

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had a dog mean encounter that you need help dealing with,

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or if you'd like to be a guest on the show,

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please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report.

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If you've had a big foot sighting, I'll like to

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be a guest on one of my two big foot podcasts,

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please go to my big foot site com. All right, Phil,

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please tell us about your encounters now with Dogman that is,

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and we're wolves please give us every last detail that

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comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, my first were wolf encounter. Now, I was

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brought up knowing that Hammer House of horror films and

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the old black and white films were growing up. You

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see long chainey chained to a chair in a dark

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basement on a night with whispers of clouds threatening to

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reveal the moon in its full glory, and then him changing.

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That was the sort of thing, and I just thought,

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it's a film. It's make belief, you know, it's it's

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just it's a film. It looked really, you know, good,

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well done. And I never dreamed that they actually did exist. Now,

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I was eight years old as around August nineteen seventy four.

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It was school holidays. I can't remember the exact date. Anyway,

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Mum has taking me to see great Auntie Sissy. Great

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Auntie Sissy was my grandma's sister. Now, she had quite

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big house and she was a good cook as well, Vick.

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So I quite enjoyed going to stay with great Auntie

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Sissy because my mother, my mother's cooking was tantamount too,

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were cruelty, you know, she was kind of like, not

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the best cook in the world. My mother bless her, so, yeah,

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Auntie a great answer. She was like great cook. So

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I quite quite enjoyed it. And she had a brilliant

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garden which I'll come to in a minute or two,

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really big and play football and run around in there.

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The garden itself was had islands of rose bushes and

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in the they were quite important to a story really,

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because there was also these iron steaks driven into the

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ground everywhere. And she'd often say, my mum asked Auntie

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Sissy that you should take the steaks up because they're

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quite dangerous. You know. If phil or Philly as Mumba

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to call me, if Philly like kind of fell over,

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he could injure himself on, you know. And I just said,

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I'll stop fussing. Mumba's okay, I won't fall over invariably,

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I used to. Now. Auntie Cissy's house was quite a

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big house, and it was a bit like a museum inside,

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a museum of her life. Really. It was all wood

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paneling on the walls, and it was like lots of

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shadows dancing around on the walls inside because there was

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overgrown plants and trees on the windows, which like when

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they would wave, they would like I always remember the

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shadows dancing around. But yeah, wooden clad walls everywhere. It's

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quite old fashioned place, you know. And it was filled

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with a smell of lavender mixed with slight decay of

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what has been and gone. Do you know, like old books?

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She had many old books and really weird old books.

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At a time. Remember I was eight, I didn't really

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understand a lot of stuff Auntie says he had. But

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she had a lot of kind of I would call

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it junk, but you know, she had treasured possessions and

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really old, kind of odd looking some of the stuff

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she had. Now, she always had a rule with me,

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and she said, you know, Phil, she said, you can

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do as you please. Okay, I'm not your mother. She said,

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if you want to come in, you want to go out,

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you want to plate, that's fine. She said, I'm here

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to make sure that you don't get into trouble. And

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she said I'm here if you need me. I said, oh,

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it's great, okay. I said one rule I will have, though,

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and that is I don't want you playing down the

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bottom of the garden when it starts getting dark. So

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Auntie's sister's garden was a quite a big garden. It

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went down a long way. At the end was a

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gate and fencing, and that there was a boundary beyond that.

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It was a wood, not big wood, a small wood.

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She lived in a place called Ipswich in Suffolk. It's

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right close to christ Church on christ Church Park in Suffolk.

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Our family kind of on my mom's side came from

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that area for generations. My mother was born in christ

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Church in Ipswich, so you know, they knew it. I

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knew it relatively well. Spent a fair bit of time

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there now the end fence looking out onto this woodland.

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I was always intrigued by the gate because I would

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often ask great answers. I say, look, you know, can

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I go through the gate and go into the wood?

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You know beyond to muck around and investigate is like

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a red rag to a ball to a little kids.

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You know, you get bored in the garden after a

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little while and you think, you know, there's only rose bushes,

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islands of rose bushes and little else. I wanted to

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go out into the wood and have a little look around.

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She said, no, no, our gate doesn't get open. I

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was like, why, She said, it just doesn't. Don't question

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me I was like, okay, I won't. I you know

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you wouldn't. She's not a lady who'd mess around with

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a great Auntie Sissy. So I just took it as

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being that. But I would go down towards the gate.

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When I did, I saw the padlock was old, big, rusted,

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hadn't been opened for a long time. I also noticed,

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not on the fences either side there were six foot

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fences in height. Not on the fences, but on the

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gate there were scratch marks, school marks. I put it

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down to perhaps cats. Where we used to live where

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I lived with my mum and dad, that often happened

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with the cats. They had come over and then go

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back over double quick time when they saw the dog

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on the other side. So I was used to seeing

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scratches on the fence. Cats do that. Dad used to

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get angry because he had to recreate defence every now

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and then because of it. But these scratches my Auntie

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Sissy had on her gate was different. They were deeper

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and bigger. I didn't ask Auntie Sissy about them. I

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just accepted them to be scratches on the gate. I didn't.

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It didn't enter my mind. It didn't it wasn't something

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I even contemplated that, you know, what caused them didn't

472
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enter my mind. Just scratches on the gate, that's what

473
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,639
it was. But I remember them now. After the event.

474
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,199
It got late in the evening, I was out playing,

475
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:10,199
still was playing football, and I heard her shout come

476
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,639
from Auntie Sissy. She was standing at the kitchen door.

477
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,960
The kitchen door was more or less directly facing this gate,

478
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,519
but the house was way up the garden. And I

479
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:27,599
turned around and I heard her calling me. And she'd

480
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,400
always call me, not phil, not Philly, Philip. Let's say

481
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,159
like that, Philip, what I told you is getting dark.

482
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,519
And I was like, oh, okay, then here we go.

483
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,360
All right, I'm coming in a hurry up. I told

484
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,960
you it's getting dark. Old stinker will get you, old stinker.

485
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:51,719
I asked her about old. Who's old? Who's old stinker?

486
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: What are you on about?

487
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: Now? She was eccentric. She was you know, the family knew.

488
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,360
Great Auntie says he was out there. My sister would

489
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,760
call like, well, you're not going to mad old Aunty sisses.

490
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,960
Everyone knew she was a bit strange. She lost her

491
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:15,760
husband sometime in the past, but she was still talk

492
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,719
to her husband quite openly as if he was there.

493
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,039
That was noted by a family. I just thought it

494
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,480
was a quirk. I just thought she was just a

495
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,559
bit odd really, but you know, good cook. So that

496
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:37,559
was enough for me and a big garden. So I

497
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,880
went up to the kitchen and I said, oh, sorry, Auntie,

498
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:47,320
it's just it's fine. Go get yourself something tweet. I

499
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,880
forget what she cooked. I think it might have been

500
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,480
a stewardt the time. Go get yourself something to eat,

501
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:56,079
get a bath, you stink, get a bath and gets

502
00:38:56,119 --> 00:39:02,320
up to bed. Can I did that? I was in bed,

503
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:09,880
and she always used to leave the bedroom door open slightly. Now,

504
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,800
Auntie Sitsy never had a radio. She never had a TV.

505
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:24,360
Oh right, even for those days, but she wouldn't have

506
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:30,079
them in the house, so she was in the lounge.

507
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,480
She was old school. If you don't use the light

508
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:35,800
and you're not in so if you're not in the room,

509
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:44,280
turn the light off. She kindly left the hallway light upstairs,

510
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:47,800
so it shined a little bit into the bedroom where

511
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,840
I was. I was in bed. The bedroom was the

512
00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:01,760
back room one level up. It was just a a

513
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,360
floor upstairs floor downstairs. That was at a normal house,

514
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:15,320
and it overlooked the garden. Had nets and curtains. I

515
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,639
remember them being really thick and quite try how there

516
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,559
was like red, big red rose pattern curtains and football creepy.

517
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:26,440
I used to see faces in the curtains when they,

518
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,840
you know, were drawn. I was like, oh, you know,

519
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:35,559
a bit like Paradolia with clouds, you know. But as

520
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:43,719
a kid's imagination, I guess, you know. I kind of

521
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:52,039
fell asleep, but then woke up. I thought of, yeah,

522
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,440
it's going to help be hard getting that sleep. At

523
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,880
the moment I thought it was going to be hard

524
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,199
getting that sleep again, I heard the tapping, and the

525
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,639
tapping was coming from the window. Auntie City was in

526
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,400
the lounge and the kitchen light was off. The kitchen

527
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:10,760
light would shine down the garden. The light lounge light

528
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,679
wouldn't shine on the garden, not fully, not fully. It

529
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,599
was in a different position. I was directly above the

530
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:27,760
kitchen door. I was the directly bedroom was and that

531
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,559
light was off. I heard tapping again, three taps, tap

532
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:35,239
tap tap, and then again I was in bed still

533
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:43,639
tap tap tap. I got up. I didn't shout for

534
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:48,760
Antie Sissy, but silly. I don't know what I'll be

535
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,039
shouting about. First of all, so I got up, had

536
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,079
a look, went over to the window, opened up, the curtains,

537
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,840
couldn't see anything. There was no bird there. It was

538
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,840
about I guess eleven o'clock at night, somewhere around that time.

539
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:11,119
I only know that because I'd had a bath. I

540
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,159
came in and it was about half nine ten o'clock,

541
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,480
just starting to get dark, so it must have been

542
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,760
about an hour later. I reckon it was August. Remember,

543
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,199
so the UK doesn't really start getting dark till about

544
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,239
half ten eleven o'clock when it gets really dark in

545
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:39,599
August time. Opened up, the curtains, couldn't see anything, couldn't

546
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,079
see anything, causing a tapping. Look down the garden, couldn't

547
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:51,639
see anything dark A bit moonlight, but not a lot.

548
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:55,199
It would partially get covered up with clouds and then

549
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:00,559
come out again and you see a bit more. For

550
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:03,920
some reason, I then looked directly down, which meant I

551
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,159
had to sort of beato a little bit to look

552
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:13,920
down directly down. As I did, I saw two orange

553
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:27,639
bright orbs lights they were and I was transfixed. I said, well,

554
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,239
I thought it was Auntie sissy out in the garden

555
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:39,320
doing something, up to something. I looked carefully. My eyes

556
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,360
grew accustomed to the dark, and I saw that they

557
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:49,079
weren't orbs, they were eyes. They were eyes. And then

558
00:43:49,119 --> 00:44:01,320
could make out a mouth, and his mouth was uh long,

559
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,880
it came out a long way. You know what I

560
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,800
mean by that is, I mean it's there was a muzzle.

561
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,840
There was a dog's muzzle. It was a dog's face.

562
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:26,599
It looked like an alsatian. His teeth were white white.

563
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,199
I have dogs, now, I've always had dogs. And my dogs, yeah, okay,

564
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,440
they getting old. But even with normal dogs, teeth they

565
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,760
kind of get a bit, they get plack and a

566
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,679
bit yellow up by the gum. These were brilliant white teeth.

567
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,039
I must have been from the bedroom window of about

568
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:55,280
fifteen foot away from it, looking down. The eyes glowed,

569
00:44:56,039 --> 00:45:05,800
they clothed sort of a yellow amber, a glow, and

570
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:12,199
it was looking directly at me. And I don't know

571
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,119
why I didn't run, but I didn't run. I was transfixed.

572
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:26,280
What got me was it was it was it was

573
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,679
moving its mouth. It was it was almost as if

574
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:33,159
it was saying something big. It's like it was talking.

575
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:39,480
I couldn't hear it through the glass. I only knew

576
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:47,079
that because it was the teeth would disappear and then

577
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,079
come back and disappear and then come back. And I

578
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:57,320
look carefully see that long mouth moving quite wide as well,

579
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,880
and it went right back into its head. The mouth did.

580
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,519
His ears were long, but high up on its head,

581
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,920
just standing there. And I mean it was standing there.

582
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,519
Vic it was on two legs. It's bipedal. This thing

583
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:22,039
was standing on two legs. Now why I said that

584
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:29,400
the the rose bushes in the garden were quite important,

585
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:33,920
It was because it was looking back. The only gauge

586
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:44,280
on size that I had this is looking back, there

587
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:52,079
was large iron steaks put in by those bushes. I

588
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,880
thought it was, you know, kind of so that it

589
00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:01,400
would train them support them, you know, m gardeners do that,

590
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:08,280
you know. But they were high, really high, these things were,

591
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,159
you know, they were they were, they were, they were.

592
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,719
I mean I would hazard a guests. They were around

593
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,159
about five foot high out ground, so they were in

594
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,840
the ground for about a foot and then they were

595
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,639
five or five feet out, which was high to me

596
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:29,760
at eight years old. Now, the only contrast I had

597
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:41,360
looking at this werewolf density is because it was another

598
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:51,960
three foot higher than one of those stakes in the ground, easily, easily,

599
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,079
even though I was looking down, I could see easily

600
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:10,440
it was at least another three foot higher. Then I'll

601
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:16,719
explain why I think it's a wear wolf. And it

602
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:22,320
must have been more than about thirty seconds to a

603
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,000
minute that I was trying to fixed, just standing there

604
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:31,039
looking down at this thing. And then the light in

605
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:36,159
the kitchen went on, and this blade of amber light

606
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:42,920
went down the garden and it fully lit up this creature.

607
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,719
And it was wearing a T shirt, a white T shirt.

608
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,920
It was also wearing jeans. I didn't see the feet,

609
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:01,119
couldn't make the feet out, didn't see them. There was

610
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:06,519
T shirt and jeans. Auntie Cissy came to the door,

611
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:12,719
the kitchen door. She didn't scream. I was expecting her

612
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:17,199
to scream, to cry, screaming to run away. No, she

613
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,519
used the broom and she's a get away whatever I

614
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,679
told you, old stinker, you don't come to the house,

615
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,320
now go.

616
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: Leave.

617
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Now. I heard this through the house. It air comeing

618
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:41,320
through the house. This creature went down onto all fours

619
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:47,000
quadrupedal like it was natural. It was natural to her

620
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:56,840
when it did. It's muscles rippled. Now I know the

621
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:03,119
muscle groups. I could see the biceps, the triceps, the

622
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:11,679
rotorcuff muscles rippled, rippling underneath that stretched T shirt. It

623
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,599
looked dirty, but I don't think it wore. I think

624
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:18,119
what I was seeing was the fur. The fur was

625
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:30,840
like Sonic, the hedgehole goun mental. It was a silvery gray,

626
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:36,039
quite spiky. It had a mane of hair as well

627
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,360
on its neck. I noticed that because it looked almost

628
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,000
like it had a hunch, especially when it went down,

629
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:49,159
and their hair was underneath the T shirt pushing it up.

630
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,239
And that's why I thought it looked dirty the tear,

631
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,199
so I think it was the fur which was making

632
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:59,519
it look a bit patches. But this thing was built

633
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:09,480
and then made a growling. I heard that, and then

634
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:15,280
it went off down the garden. It went like a chat.

635
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,440
I didn't see it hit the fence. I just heard

636
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:24,800
the fence go bang and that and that was it.

637
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:30,119
I didn't see anymore. I asked Great Auntie Sissy. I said,

638
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,880
I went downstairs. She just said get back up. Now.

639
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,280
It was until the morning that I was able to

640
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,679
ask her, and she said, we don't talk about him.

641
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,800
Do we feel I told you about him. We don't

642
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:53,519
talk about him. You don't need to know. And that's

643
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:54,440
what I saw. Vic.

644
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: If that wasn't a superin experience, I don't know what was.

645
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It put a whole different perspective on

646
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:26,960
my life, my schooling, everything I became. I became quite introvert.

647
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:36,280
I I had problems with spelling and reading anyway, which

648
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,639
which kind of kept me separate from other kids. In

649
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:48,599
a way, I was dyslexic, I later found out. But

650
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:58,199
I had trouble. I had trouble mixing, especially with big groups,

651
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,440
and I had trouble in I didn't want to share

652
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,480
anything with my life. I didn't want I didn't want anyone.

653
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:15,960
I didn't want anyone to know what I'd seen. I

654
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:22,239
didn't want to to to to sing. I didn't want

655
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,119
people getting close to me. Fack. And the reason I,

656
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:30,039
looking back, I really think it's because, uh, I I

657
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:33,559
felt different anyway, being dyslexic. I felt different. I felt

658
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:36,960
like I was slower than other kids. I couldn't read

659
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,199
as quick, couldn't write as quickly. I wrote phonetic, I

660
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:47,840
wrote as it sounded, which you know, kind of put

661
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,519
me back. If I was to allow people to get

662
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:57,360
any closer, I know that perhaps I would tell the

663
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,519
truth and I'd say, oh, I've seen a werewolf, and

664
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:07,000
that would be the my my any chances of being

665
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,239
integrated within uh, you know, school, I would just be

666
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,880
ostracized totally, especially the schools I went to. You know,

667
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:22,239
they were quite religious schools. They were the type of

668
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:28,760
schools where in the morning before you can have a

669
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,880
cup of coffee behind the bike, Chad, you you had

670
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,639
your form class where they kind of like, you know,

671
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,400
be a cock vow Davis, whatever name you had, and

672
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,039
then straight into the hall to sing cat Stephens songs,

673
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,960
cross legged and hymns. It was quite religious, you know,

674
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:58,159
quite religious upbringing, and I didn't want any of what

675
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:01,800
I've seen to be shared or to anyone to know,

676
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,320
so I thought it was about to keep it to

677
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,400
myself completely.

678
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:09,119
Speaker 2: You know what's really so tragic about that is the

679
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,519
one thing that would have helped you most, being able

680
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,639
to be open about that experience, you couldn't do for

681
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:17,119
the reasons you just laid out.

682
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:22,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I said, Bick. I couldn't talk to Dad

683
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:29,440
about it, but Dad though, no way, and Mom she

684
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:37,719
Mum was a good mum, but she was if Dad said,

685
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:44,760
you know, he's lying, exaggerating, Mom would believe that.

686
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, their relationships like that. It's just unfortunate

687
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,039
that your parents had a relationship like that because if

688
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,679
your dad was closed off to it, then it sure

689
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,440
would have been nice if your mother would have been

690
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,880
open to talking with you about that. But yeah, that's

691
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,599
just not how it was. Now, I know you've had

692
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,840
at least one more we're wolf encounter besides that first

693
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,159
one when you're eight. What can you tell us about

694
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:10,840
the next one?

695
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had an encounter. There's two. There's three different

696
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:28,719
types of dog men that I know of. Dog men

697
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,960
differ from were wolves. I just want to get that

698
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,519
straight to people, just so that you know, we get

699
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,960
this clarified now. I know I'll probably take a bit

700
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:44,280
of stick for this because everyone's got their own. Nothing

701
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,880
is I can't verify this. I can't verify this. It's

702
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:57,800
just from experience and what I know. But uh, were

703
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:05,840
wolves are They're not indigenous. They're created by magic and

704
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:14,000
spell There's a school of thought that to create where

705
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:18,199
wolf you have to go things through things like a

706
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,880
Judas ritual, which is a very awful type of ritual,

707
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:34,159
very dark, where wolves are bigger than dog men on

708
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:43,079
the whole an alpha where wolf against the alpha dog men,

709
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:49,119
it would dwarf a dog man. They can be up

710
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:58,840
to fifteen foot tall. Where wolves they are huge because

711
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:08,920
they're made of magic and spell they they can be

712
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:20,039
categorized as being shape shifters. Now, I know that there'll

713
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:24,800
be those out there which will be you know really,

714
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:33,280
but there's been lots of instances with with dog man

715
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,960
with wearables. There was there was there was an incident

716
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:45,440
in the u K. And I'll just briefly talk about this.

717
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:50,199
There's a case of Bill Ramsey. Bill Ramsey used to

718
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:52,559
live in a place called self End on Sea in Essex.

719
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,880
In the case of Bill Ramsey is one of the

720
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,360
most fully documented and extreme accounts on record. The first

721
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,239
instance occurred in nineteen fifty two when rams he was

722
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,639
nine years old okay, and he was overcome by an

723
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:13,719
icy cold, a breeze and a foul stench before being

724
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:20,559
filled with an intense rage. He exhibited superhuman strength, uprooting

725
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:24,760
a fence post and gnawing on wya mesh. For years,

726
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,679
he was plagued by nightmares and nineteen eighty three experienced

727
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,320
another episode, growling and attempting to buy a friend in

728
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,480
a car. Later that year, he was admitted to hospital

729
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,360
and chest pains, where he suddenly bit a nurse's arm

730
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:43,119
and went on a rampage, exhibiting a hunched posture, claw

731
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:50,159
like hands, and beared lips. Eighty seven, another violent transformation

732
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,960
occurred at a police station, requiring a dozen officers a

733
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:56,840
dozen officers to hisstrain him. These things go on with

734
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:08,559
this case in particular, it was investigated by Lorraine ed

735
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:11,599
and Lorraine Won came over because at the time they

736
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:15,679
were going to the Infield Poltergeist House, and it was

737
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,320
Lorraine that felt sorry for Bill. Ramsey heard about the

738
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,079
story and went to visit him. After they visited him,

739
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:28,280
it wasn't ed Fort, you know, he's making it up.

740
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,599
It was Lorraine. They said, no, he wasn't. They paid

741
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,679
for him to be if I believe it was right.

742
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,239
They paid for him to be flown over to the

743
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:48,280
States where he underwent a exorcism, and this was in

744
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:53,480
nineteen eighty nine. It was in Connecticut, performed by Bishop

745
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:59,519
Robert McKenna. During the ritual of exoricism, Ramsey reportedly took

746
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:02,840
on a diferent appearance with a contorted face and clawed

747
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:07,760
hands since the exorcism, though no further incidance had ever

748
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:15,800
been recorded. These things are real. These things are part

749
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:25,519
of magic with were wolves. It's I had a a

750
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:31,599
friend of mine that I used to work with, and

751
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,079
he was I used to work on building sites and

752
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,400
I was like doing a lot of plumbing and other

753
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,000
stuff like that in the first fixed work. And he

754
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:49,760
was a telehandler driver. And before he was a telehandler driver,

755
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,159
which is like a big forklift telehandler, you know, it

756
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:55,280
takes big palettes off a truck and do a whole

757
01:01:55,519 --> 01:02:00,280
menagerie of different things on site. Before he were that,

758
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:07,119
he was working in commerce for a banking firm. This

759
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:13,840
is how it affects people. Some experiences. I was working

760
01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:18,320
in a plot which was a house first, fixing all

761
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:24,920
the pipework. Anyway, I was listening to your show Funny enough,

762
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:28,360
I was listening to your podcast in there on the radio,

763
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:36,519
and this guy came in. Let's call him Keith. Anyway,

764
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,719
he came in. He said that you were write a film.

765
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,639
I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, good bit coming up. Hold

766
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:43,599
on a minute, Cay, is what are you listening to

767
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:48,440
have it come off on the man in counsas Radia.

768
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: And is that?

769
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh? Now, he didn't believe in ghosts. He didn't believe

770
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,840
in anything like that. But when he heard about you

771
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:03,079
in the program and what was going on, he said,

772
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,000
I had the experience with that. I was like, really,

773
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:11,840
he said, yeah, he said, he said, when I worked

774
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,920
in commerce. He said, we had some people who flew

775
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:21,000
over and we wanted them to take out a big

776
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:27,760
loan with our particular bank. And we're talking big money now.

777
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:33,639
The people that flew over they had come from. I

778
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,400
wanted to say, it was, if I remember rightly, somewhere

779
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:41,760
in southern America, so it might be in Brazil, run

780
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:53,320
that way, perhaps South America way. Anyway, he said that

781
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,920
they were having lunch and they done the deal. And

782
01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:58,920
it took four days to get this deal done. He said,

783
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,239
four days to finally convince them to take the loan

784
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,920
out with our company, our banking company, which they did.

785
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,039
So they celebrated in the ahead of meal and they

786
01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:12,000
were all laughing. They were chatting, and he said one

787
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:16,360
of his colleagues, it was the guys who were getting

788
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,800
the loan on one side, of the table and his

789
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,199
company on the other side of the table, and he

790
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:25,599
said there was one guy there who was like just off.

791
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,639
He said, you know, if he just felt off, he

792
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:38,679
looked off. He he never spoke in English. He always

793
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:45,000
spoke to one single colleague friend of his in their

794
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:48,599
native language. But he said it wasn't any language that

795
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:54,119
I understood to be. He said, it was just strange.

796
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:59,079
It was an odd kind of almost like Esperanto. That's

797
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,400
way he described it. The guy was quite, you know,

798
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:06,159
clewed up. He was he kind of like new stuff.

799
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,079
He was worth more than his present job. Was put

800
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,199
it that way. But I found out why he's doing

801
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,480
his present job as a a handler a bit later on.

802
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:21,039
But anyway, he said, there was a meal, their drinks,

803
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,840
and then someone cracked a joke and when they did,

804
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,000
this guy, the strange guy, put his head back, and

805
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:33,400
as he did he was laughing. He said, Phil, his

806
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:40,000
whole face changed slightly as he was laughing so hard

807
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:43,320
his face went back, and he said it looked like

808
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:51,719
his mouth was just elongated large. His eyes changed into

809
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:57,800
more catlike looking eyes, you know, the pupils were vertical.

810
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:04,239
And then he looked directly at Keith across the table

811
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,760
saw that Keith was seeing his face change and he

812
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,559
just gave him a look like if you tell anyone

813
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:21,159
that's it. And Keith just he felt sick and had

814
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:23,599
to leave the room. He just he had to leave

815
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:27,519
the room. He felt physically sick. He said that, but

816
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:32,199
that was no human. He said that that chap, that

817
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,639
strange one that never spoke English, that only ever spoke

818
01:06:35,719 --> 01:06:38,639
to one other person in his own party. He said

819
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,960
he was off because he was not human. Film and

820
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:46,559
he said, soon afterwards, I got out the whole arena,

821
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,719
he said, the Upper Echeln arena of all these big

822
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,280
meetings with his big top wigs who've got loads of

823
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,719
tons of money. He said that, he said, got out

824
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,280
of that completely. He said, We're quite happy now, just

825
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:06,599
working on site, knowing what I'm doing, but not mixing

826
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:09,000
with those type of people. He said, they put me

827
01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:13,320
off and that was why he That was his account

828
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,119
he gave me. I found that very strange. I'm not sure.

829
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:20,360
I'm not saying that was a werewolf, not saying that

830
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:26,039
it was. He said to me that it had. I said,

831
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:29,320
what did it look like? He said? He said, do

832
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,639
you know when Michael Jackson changed into that werewolf in

833
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:40,920
that video thriller VIC. He said, when he started changing

834
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,519
into that face, before he became there was a there

835
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:50,360
was an intermediate face that Michael Jackson had and he

836
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,280
said it was that face, you know in his eyes

837
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,760
had like those yellowish cat eyes, and he did have

838
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,119
a muzzle, but his mouth just got bigger. Michael Jackson's

839
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:03,480
mouth has got bigger and it kind of turned into

840
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:08,159
that smile, that weird smile. He said that was the

841
01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:12,760
face just before he turned into that were wolf. That

842
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,960
was the face exactly. When he told me that, I

843
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:21,159
was like, you're kidding. He's like, no, no, no, seriously,

844
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,399
and he was proper nuts and bolts guys. He didn't

845
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:30,880
believe in. He did not. I used to listen to

846
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:33,359
a lot of stuff about a lot of different things.

847
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,439
But there was your podcast that was on at the time,

848
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,000
because we're talking and you were talking about were wolves

849
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:40,720
at the time, actually dog Man and were wolves again,

850
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:42,640
you know, it was someone else, and I was like,

851
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,079
I'm really fraud because of my own experience when I

852
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:48,800
was younger, I was like really, and I told Keith,

853
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,920
I'm listening. I'm listening. But when he came out with

854
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:55,359
this account, I was like, Marly hit me sideways.

855
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,359
Speaker 2: I can understand why it would. Well, even after all

856
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,039
that you've been through, you don't expect to hear about

857
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:05,760
things like that. You really don't. I'm looking at the

858
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,000
clock here, Phil, I see that we are about ten

859
01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:11,600
minutes away from your time where you've got to be

860
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,239
out of here to go do your own show. With

861
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,119
that in mind, we haven't even talked about your dog

862
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:19,840
mean encounters yet. Would you buy a chance be open

863
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,800
for coming back next week to talk about your dog

864
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,840
mean encounters and answer some questions?

865
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love to. Yeah, I've got I've got quite

866
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,920
a few dog man encounters, quite a few of them. Yeah,

867
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,880
I'd love to, and also go for the different types

868
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,760
of dog man that I've come across. That'd be great.

869
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: Big thank you, Oh no, thank you. Well, yeah, I

870
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,520
appreciate your interest in coming back to do that. Of

871
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,600
course I'm looking forward to that, and behind the scenes,

872
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,960
I'll get with you to get that scheduled and everything.

873
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:56,479
But for now, I just want to thank you so

874
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,600
much for coming on here and sharing all these experiences

875
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,039
with us. I really appreciate it.

876
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: Thank you. Vick and I just want to say, Look,

877
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,239
it's a dream come true being on your show after

878
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:13,119
listening to it for so long, and I've got the

879
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,239
greatest admiration for you because you help people. You don't

880
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:25,159
just you give people a platform, and those people's voices,

881
01:10:25,239 --> 01:10:30,439
including myself, wouldn't be heard. There isn't anything really out

882
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:36,199
there which doesn't which you give people a platform without

883
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:41,319
any ridicule. You're very, very kind in a way that

884
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,640
you listen to people. You have the patience. And I

885
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,199
just want to say, after so many years listen to

886
01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:51,000
your show, I just want to say, you know, behalf

887
01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:53,920
of myself. You ever me on the show. Thank you

888
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:56,600
for letting me share what I've shared so far.

889
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh I'm glad to do it, glad to give you

890
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:03,640
a platform to do that. And speaking of a platform, Phil,

891
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,279
before we do get out of here, please tell us

892
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:08,600
about dog Me and TP Hunting and how we can

893
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:09,199
listen to it.

894
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,039
Speaker 1: Oh sure, fake here. I started it a few years

895
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:16,399
ago and it's on YouTube. So if you put in

896
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,560
dog Man TP Hunting, that's TB pub It's a bit

897
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,800
of a strange one. I know there is there is

898
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,039
a reason for it, and I'll explain it next time.

899
01:11:25,079 --> 01:11:30,640
But dog Man TP Hunting on YouTube. I'm also on Facebook.

900
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,279
If you put in Phil last NAMEE Cots for oil

901
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,760
k O t V A L. You can hit me

902
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,319
up on Facebook as well and it'll be you know,

903
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,640
good to catch up with you, talk to you. I

904
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:48,279
am UK based. If there's any UK witnesses or anyone

905
01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:50,079
wants to have a chat or I can help in

906
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:52,560
any way, and please do so. I'm always here.

907
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: Interesting when I tell you, Phil is as easy to

908
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,600
talk with as he seems when you listen to this show.

909
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,600
He's a good me in. You can take that to

910
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,439
the bank. And also that's right. One last important thing

911
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,520
from one understand you've got a low quality guest coming

912
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,199
on your own show on dog Me and Tpee Hunting

913
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:15,119
in the near future. Please expand on that for us.

914
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got quite a few. I've got a guest

915
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,359
on this this evening.

916
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,079
Speaker 2: I was talking about myself. I wouldn't see the low

917
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:31,760
quality guests about real guests. I was talking about.

918
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:38,039
Speaker 1: Myself, of course, Vick red Carpet. No, of course, I

919
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:42,960
am so absolutely so choughed to be saying that Vic

920
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:47,479
Kundiff will be on dog Man TP hunting on our show.

921
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,640
I just can't wait to have him on because you know,

922
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,960
we know about his his guests, his witnesses. But I

923
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,920
really want to talk to Vic about himself, you know,

924
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:05,920
and ask him about how he got into this. You know,

925
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,840
I'd like to just sort of get to.

926
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 2: Know you, Vick.

927
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,119
Speaker 1: I really would. I think there's a lot of people

928
01:13:12,199 --> 01:13:15,159
out there that feel the same. You'd just like to

929
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,239
know about you and your feelings and your opinions on

930
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:23,159
this whole after all these years and I had they changed.

931
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,640
That would be so great to hear.

932
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,399
Speaker 2: Well. I'd love to do that. I'd love to give

933
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:31,079
my opinion on anything. So I'm looking forward to it,

934
01:13:31,239 --> 01:13:33,359
and of course, thanks so much for having me on.

935
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: Oh you're more than welcome. You're more than welcome, and

936
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,760
I just can't wait for it to be brilliant. So

937
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:44,279
that would be hopefully on May the fourth. You'll be

938
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:46,079
recording it, hopefully.

939
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,520
Speaker 2: Paul, there's no hopefully to it. I'll be ready with bells.

940
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:54,399
Speaker 1: I ah, brilliant, excellent. That's great news. And thank you

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so much for this chance. I really do appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Having said that, thanks again so much

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for your time there, Phil have a great night