Speaker 1: Hi. My name is Tom Welling.
Speaker 2: I played Clark Kent on Smallville and you are listening
Speaker 2: to Always hold on to Smallville.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Always hold on to Smallville. In this podcast,
Speaker 1: we talk about each and every episode of the Young
Speaker 1: Superman Show that we're from two thousand and one to
Speaker 1: twenty eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Sack Moore, and I'm drown by two guests for this
Speaker 1: episode from the Krypton Report. Tyler Patrick, what's up? Tyler?
Speaker 3: Hey, Zach glad to be back. We're in season ten.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it. I was talking with my co host.
Speaker 3: I told him how we were recording and I said, man,
Speaker 3: I recorded with Zach back in season one. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I was like he was just getting started. And I
Speaker 3: found him when we started chatting, and I was like,
Speaker 3: now here, we're like his podcast has blown up and
Speaker 3: it's been awesome, and now we're recording for season ten
Speaker 3: and it's like, wow.
Speaker 1: It is hard to believe. Right, You're not the only
Speaker 1: returning to guests. We have longtime patron in front of
Speaker 1: the show, John Curcio. What's up John?
Speaker 4: Ah, very good and very good, very good. Zach happy
Speaker 4: to be here. I think last time was almost at
Speaker 4: the halfway point. I'm pretty sure, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, though I was very season four. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was. It was forever so literally forever ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been forever. It's perfect, John.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've rewatched that episode since, and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if I will anytime soon. No offense to
Speaker 1: that outisode likewise likewise House Wax. If I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: House of Wax, I'm gonna go watch House of Wax.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, both versions, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: But hey, you said it, Tyler. We're here in season ten,
Speaker 1: all right, second episode, so we had a long way
Speaker 1: to go still, but we're here in the last chapter. So,
Speaker 1: you know, John, let's start with you, man, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on season ten and kind of where it
Speaker 1: falls in the Greater Greater Smallville season ranking and just
Speaker 1: kind of overall vibe of it all, like like, where
Speaker 1: where's your fandom for season ten?
Speaker 4: Interesting enough? I actually did season ten. It's insane. It's
Speaker 4: almost schizophrenic, and that's actually kind of what I like
Speaker 4: about it. I feel as though it's trying to do
Speaker 4: everything when they started announcing all of the guest stars
Speaker 4: and they were all coming back. I mean everybody from
Speaker 4: like you know, Lucy Lane and Sam Lane all the
Speaker 4: way to Lionel Luther. And I'm like, Okay, so this
Speaker 4: is gonna be in Everybody in the Pool type season
Speaker 4: and it's gonna be kind of crazy, and they try
Speaker 4: to fit everything into this some episode, some of the
Speaker 4: weaker ones didn't feel kind of like an old school
Speaker 4: one off Monster the Week type episode. Then there's a
Speaker 4: lot of mythology building episodes, even though we're literally hurtling
Speaker 4: towards the end. And also I know they couldn't get
Speaker 4: Michael Rosenbaum back for the entirety of the season, but
Speaker 4: I do kind of like the mad scientist insanity of
Speaker 4: the Clones, especially because like big, grandiose mad scientist plots
Speaker 4: go back to classic Lex Luthor, like all the way back,
Speaker 4: and so I kind of like when Michael's Lex gets
Speaker 4: to do that. And since he did come back in
Speaker 4: the season finale, the series finale, it kind of felt
Speaker 4: pretty well bookended. I don't know overall, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: I've only rewatched it once. This will be the secondary
Speaker 4: watch so far. I'm still enjoying it. I understand a
Speaker 4: lot of people's issues with it. It's qually not perfect.
Speaker 4: And I know this usually ends up towards the end
Speaker 4: of most people's lists, but I don't know. I kind
Speaker 4: of dig it. I never I didn't get to bent
Speaker 4: out of shape, even for some of their decisions, like
Speaker 4: as you like to say, the John McCain death strip.
Speaker 1: Yes he's coming, he's coming, He's close. I will say
Speaker 1: on the kind of the Mad Scientists clone legs with
Speaker 1: your stuff. I enjoyed that as well as a president
Speaker 1: for it in the comic books, right, And look, the
Speaker 1: creators and writers, they were faced with this impossible task,
Speaker 1: and they did the best they could. They brought back
Speaker 1: previous younger actors who had played Lex and kind of
Speaker 1: played in that story. They're bringing an altered universe Linel
Speaker 1: into this whole thing. Like, they did the best they could.
Speaker 1: And Rose's moom coming back at the end kind of
Speaker 1: made it all okay, right, Like if he hadn't come
Speaker 1: back at the end, we would have been sitting here still, Like,
Speaker 1: can you believe they used the guy that created Cyborg
Speaker 1: as a Lex of the premiere?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: And he was fine, And we talked about it in
Speaker 1: last week's of Was Lazarus. It's like he was fine,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting. Yeah, m McKenzie gray. He went to
Speaker 1: play Jack Seward Man of Steel as well, so he
Speaker 1: kept that schaef head. Look. I guess he liked it.
Speaker 1: But and and again no offense to mackenzicate, right, but
Speaker 1: you see that, and then you kind of imagine, like, man,
Speaker 1: what if Rosebaum was saying those lines in those scenes,
Speaker 1: just what it elevated so much It kind of makes
Speaker 1: you appreciate when Michael brought down so much more too.
Speaker 4: His cadence was so on. His cadence and mannerisms was
Speaker 4: so on point. If you kind of if you kind
Speaker 4: of stop half, if you kind of half pay attention
Speaker 4: when you're doing something else, you almost your mind can
Speaker 4: trickute into thinking that Michael's in the scene. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 4: and throw a big throwback to Gene Hackman in the
Speaker 4: in the premiere where he tells him he has to
Speaker 4: choose between you know, which calamity he stops.
Speaker 1: Even if great speed you can't save the.
Speaker 4: Boss exactly exactly. I love it, And yeah, if Michael
Speaker 4: was doing it, it would have been extra special. But
Speaker 4: you know, as it stands out, it's pretty solid.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Tyler, what about you, man, how do you
Speaker 1: how do you feel about season ten?
Speaker 3: Well, when season ten first aired, a lot of what
Speaker 3: was frustrating because I guess I had more expectations because
Speaker 3: it was the last season they even you know, premiered
Speaker 3: like small the final season be there, you know. And
Speaker 3: over time, I've probably watched this season with my wife
Speaker 3: more than any of them, just because she really likes
Speaker 3: Lois and since in this season it's very just it's
Speaker 3: it's all in Clark and Lois stuff, so she always
Speaker 3: likes to come back and watch this one, and it
Speaker 3: is kind of all over the place. You know, we
Speaker 3: have a lot of characters. There's a few things that
Speaker 3: happen that I think they kind of dropped the ball
Speaker 3: with a little bit with certain characters that kind of
Speaker 3: just don't really get I think a good conclusion. But
Speaker 3: I mean I like it. It's probably the least Smallville
Speaker 3: Smallville season. This fact that there's so many characters in
Speaker 3: this season that are taking place, and you know, there's
Speaker 3: a few things that happen that are just kind of
Speaker 3: like makes you question, like where'd that come from? Like
Speaker 3: certain episodes. You're like, that doesn't quite make sense, but
Speaker 3: you know what made some choices on the villain. I
Speaker 3: like the idea of it. I think it's a great
Speaker 3: way of introducing that character in a way of if
Speaker 3: you had gone on longer to bring that character back,
Speaker 3: don't want to you know, spoil but you know, we
Speaker 3: all know what I'm talking about. Darts with the d
Speaker 3: ends and aside, but I enjoy season ten. I mean
Speaker 3: they really were like, Okay, we're gonna put pretty much
Speaker 3: almost everything into this season, not holding much back. You know,
Speaker 3: characters get introduced, ideas. It's it's very comic Bookie for
Speaker 3: the final season.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, And it really kind of put like you
Speaker 1: know you were talking about too, John, like it brings
Speaker 1: all these characters back and it's like, okay, we got
Speaker 1: to bring everybody back and the celebration of what we
Speaker 1: were and all that sort of thing. And in that way,
Speaker 1: it is very different than season nine. Season nine, it
Speaker 1: was like we didn't tell our own story. And I
Speaker 1: love you as it's one of my favorite seasons.
Speaker 4: Right. It was a tight, very tight season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything was all connected and it was led to
Speaker 1: another and was already thought out and then you get
Speaker 1: some like season ten, it's like, okay, we got it
Speaker 1: into corp. All these pieces that don't really fit together,
Speaker 1: but here they are like and on their own. I'll
Speaker 1: say this, I think some of the the highs are
Speaker 1: higher sometimes in season ten. Yeah, the low's are hustle ower.
Speaker 1: And it's really like back and forth and uve anoun seasonnine,
Speaker 1: which is very consistent, you know. Yeah, all that being said,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. In Shield, we all got a
Speaker 1: boot with our name on.
Speaker 3: People about to die.
Speaker 4: I always think that that's special.
Speaker 2: Won't be able to go on without them.
Speaker 3: The truth thing, it's a person.
Speaker 4: Just find someone else.
Speaker 2: In The.
Speaker 1: Shield is the second episode of Smallville's tenth season and
Speaker 1: aired on October first, twenty ten. Was written by Jordan
Speaker 1: Holly and directed by Glenn Winter. This is Glenn Winter's
Speaker 1: last episode that he directed. Yeah, he was a prolific
Speaker 1: smavel director. He directed twelve episodes and then went on
Speaker 1: to do a lot of stuff with the air overs
Speaker 1: and I'm just in a cinema photographer throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the show. But this is his final episode, So
Speaker 1: I just want to make note of that. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be seeing a lot of those final things as we
Speaker 1: go through the season.
Speaker 4: Here I shout out to Glenn.
Speaker 3: I want to say with Glenn what I find most
Speaker 3: fascinating with Glenn is he's one of the few directors
Speaker 3: that have directed two different versions of Superman. You know,
Speaker 3: he directed both Tom and then he would go on
Speaker 3: to direct Tyler and Supergirl, and I think I think
Speaker 3: he also did Superman and Lewis an episode, so it's
Speaker 3: it's just kind of interesting. I think him off the
Speaker 3: top of my head.
Speaker 1: I feel like Gregory Smith directs every episode.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, I feel like he does a lot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I know he directed Tyler and Supergirl.
Speaker 1: He did know he did the season two two part
Speaker 1: opener for Supergirl and that's the fantastic introduction of that Superman.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's got his wbcw cred.
Speaker 3: And then I think David Nutter is another one off
Speaker 3: the top of my head who was directed as a
Speaker 3: Superboy and then he directed Tom Welling. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know all the directors who did Lois and Clark,
Speaker 3: so there might be another one that sneaks in there, and.
Speaker 1: There's a couple little crossovers there. I don't know. Off
Speaker 1: the top of my head either. But I know there's
Speaker 1: some some crossover tein Littles and Clark and Smavel every now.
Speaker 3: And then, you know, and of course Jene Schwartz.
Speaker 1: General swork, right, I mean, uh, two Supergirls. So but hey,
Speaker 1: here in the last stretch of the show, we're during
Speaker 1: the ratings watch or ask you guys, Hey, what do
Speaker 1: you think the ratings were for this episode on a
Speaker 1: Friday night in twenty ten? To give you a little context,
Speaker 1: the previous week, the season premiere, Lazarth's got two point
Speaker 1: nine eight million viewers. So John, let's start with you.
Speaker 1: What do you think Shield got a week later?
Speaker 4: Two point nine eight? Wow, that's that's pretty solid. What's
Speaker 4: it called? God? Do you imagine any shows would kill
Speaker 4: for that? These days? I would say, probably what date? What?
Speaker 4: What's the date that this premiered? Again?
Speaker 1: October first?
Speaker 4: October first? Okay, that's not helpful. I'm just gonna I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna say that a lot of times. The second episode,
Speaker 4: you know, might dip a little bit because everyone gets
Speaker 4: hot for the premiere. I'm gonna say two point seven.
Speaker 1: All right, what about you, Tyler?
Speaker 3: I was thinking, I'm same logic I'm gonna go two
Speaker 3: five just because he took two seven.
Speaker 4: So prices right.
Speaker 1: Actual rating two point three eight? Closer?
Speaker 4: Who that's true? You workle yet you got it.
Speaker 3: Part of me, part of me thought just two, but
Speaker 3: I was like, ah no, I think it would do
Speaker 3: a little bit better. But you know this is I
Speaker 3: think about the time frame, you know, these latter seasons.
Speaker 3: DVR was a big thing.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 3: And also I'm like, I think about this too when
Speaker 3: it comes to ratings. I had the first show i'd
Speaker 3: ever bought, like digitally iTunes was season eight of Smallville.
Speaker 3: I just pre bought the whole season and that's how
Speaker 3: I watched it because our cable provider kept dropping the CW.
Speaker 3: So I think about stuff like that too at this time,
Speaker 3: Like those things don't factor into ratings, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And they're pushing that CW app too, because I remember
Speaker 3: a couple of episodes in the season ten I ended
Speaker 3: up watching on the app.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah I did too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, my wife and I had moved and we
Speaker 3: I remember we had moved into our first apartment and
Speaker 3: it was actually the Blue Beatle episode. I was sitting
Speaker 3: in our kitchen and uh, because we had just gotten
Speaker 3: married and I was watching on my laptop.
Speaker 1: Sitting in your kitchen, watching exactly American. Oh man, Well,
Speaker 1: this episode starts out with previously on Small Villa. We see,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the events of the finale, some
Speaker 1: of the events of the premiere. Just I stopped a
Speaker 1: little bit of Hawkman, a little bit of his backstory,
Speaker 1: you know, talking to Green Arrow about Chiara and like
Speaker 1: how they were destined to fall in love and watch
Speaker 1: each other die. And then we see a little bit
Speaker 1: of the prisoner exchange between Oliver and Chloe setting up uh, well,
Speaker 1: rick flag and the suicide squad and uh suicide some
Speaker 1: kind of suicide squad. We're going to talk about them,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that kind of puts all the the pieces
Speaker 1: in place. You know, Lewis is in Africa. You know,
Speaker 1: I love that they keep her using this clip of
Speaker 1: Michael McKean. I don't know what the rights are or
Speaker 1: to that I have to pay him, but like he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you say, kid, go to Africa. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's dude. You have Michael McKean for one episode and
Speaker 1: using him on every I mean I would.
Speaker 4: Too, That's how they keep him on the show. They
Speaker 4: just keep showing that clip over and O way, it's
Speaker 4: like Edwood with Bella Lagosi.
Speaker 3: Like it keeps him in your mind, so you feel like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was in there a lot. Like now he's lying
Speaker 3: two episodes two? No, I know I saw him more
Speaker 3: than that.
Speaker 1: You know he listed two episodes and then one episode
Speaker 1: with a voiceover for the.
Speaker 3: Just I just do that number out there because I knew,
Speaker 3: because I could think of two episodes off the top
Speaker 3: of my head.
Speaker 1: That's it. And I mean mary to anetto tool. That's
Speaker 1: like they could have got him back more. But anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: he's a Look, he's an expensive actor.
Speaker 3: There's no budget.
Speaker 1: Season ten. We have four main characters. We'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: We get to the opening credits, but no, we go
Speaker 1: we transition from that what do you say kid Africa?
Speaker 1: Right then we cut to the opening of the episode
Speaker 1: proper and it's it's uh, the Sahara desert and like
Speaker 1: some cgi village off in the tent of tents offt
Speaker 1: in the background ice home. Oh yeah, Lowis gets off
Speaker 1: her bus and and they this is in the opening credits, right,
Speaker 1: the shot of Lois pulling her her scarf off.
Speaker 4: They use that shot a lot. I just that shot
Speaker 4: is just burned into my head. So yeah, they use
Speaker 4: it a lot.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's in like all the DVD promos.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, everything, very very good school shots.
Speaker 4: Shot. Yeah, it's a ethic shot. Erica looks great, when
Speaker 4: does she not?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And to y'all's point about keeping Perry around, She's like,
Speaker 1: Perry this is lately, And I'm like, okay, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: she's quote unquote talking to Perry light on the phone. Guys,
Speaker 1: he's still around. But hey, I didn't remember. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it makes sense now. But thinking back, like she's
Speaker 1: here to investigate the uncovering of the tomb of Isis.
Speaker 1: Can we say that? Am I gonna? I love for
Speaker 1: lying here about my dream job is turning to one
Speaker 1: thousand and one Arabian nightmares, which is that's a good line.
Speaker 4: I thought, Yeah, her puns really work.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're setting up the ice Nicholas here, right.
Speaker 1: Hey whoever said seas intend didn't have a plan?
Speaker 4: Huh exactly?
Speaker 3: They were like, oh, yeah, we got this one because
Speaker 3: she and what's interesting how she references raw, you know,
Speaker 3: the sun god.
Speaker 4: Daniel Jackson Clark.
Speaker 3: Oh, I I love Michael Shanks's Carter Hall. I think
Speaker 3: he's a great Carter Hall. His Hawkman. It's a little
Speaker 3: like I didn't need the voice you tried to do.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: My biggest thing was like you look at Hawkman in
Speaker 3: the comics, like he's this like super muscular, big dude,
Speaker 3: you know, and you look at Michael Shanks You're like,
Speaker 3: all right, You're okay.
Speaker 1: He probably still is the best Hawkman, like live action Hawkman,
Speaker 1: because it's certainly not the one from their over I love.
Speaker 3: I love the one in Black Adam though.
Speaker 1: I do too, but they just as with that movie's
Speaker 1: biggest problem is it's so surface level. There's nothing about
Speaker 1: reincarnation or whatever. Like I had assume Aldre's Hodge. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he'll be my favorite hawk Man. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: he kind of ended up not being fault of his own.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I used to live in my building. Actually, Alvis Hodge,
Speaker 4: he actually used to live in my building. His mail
Speaker 4: still comes here. I'm not going through his mail, his magazines.
Speaker 4: His magazines keep.
Speaker 1: I still go through his mail.
Speaker 4: That's how I know. Yeah, and I completely forgot that
Speaker 4: he played Hawkman for a second.
Speaker 1: I like, he's a great actor. I mean I saw
Speaker 1: him first on Friday Night Lights back in the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was Supernatural season two. Okay, he's
Speaker 3: the one that kills He's the one that kills uh
Speaker 3: Sam Winchester in season two. He's the one that stabs
Speaker 3: him in the back.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you're right. I forgot about it, which.
Speaker 3: Causes Dean to sell his soul and sets up seats.
Speaker 4: The first of ten times. Yeah, yeah, he does that
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 1: I forgot. You know, this episode, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: backdoor pilot for saving Hope, right with the with the
Speaker 1: Erica Durance and Daniel Jackson, who's now now as you
Speaker 1: mentioned a stargate, I forgot that. What's what's his name?
Speaker 1: Michael Shanks, Michaels Shakes. They yeah, because they went on
Speaker 1: after I guess they somebody's they probably they both submitted
Speaker 1: this to the un their demodel somewhere and they're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, those two have chemistry. And there's this
Speaker 1: entire hospital show. The film in Canada for like ran
Speaker 1: for like five seasons, and the two of them were
Speaker 1: the main stars of it.
Speaker 4: So I never even knew this thing existed.
Speaker 1: Always hold on to staving. So we're getting married. I
Speaker 1: got a hustle, baby.
Speaker 6: He didn't invite me the wedding, so presumably you're still
Speaker 6: in love with me, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: Honeymoon doddors Oh we got a week off next month, soul,
Speaker 2: don't distract me.
Speaker 1: This is hard work.
Speaker 2: He was probably an apt starting IVY schools.
Speaker 1: He's a chief of surgery. He's not gonna wait.
Speaker 2: He's been unconscious for thirty seven minutes. Wait a second.
Speaker 4: This is how it happens.
Speaker 2: You leave it all behind, everything, everything you love, everything
Speaker 2: you know, and all you can do is hope.
Speaker 1: We just go await it up. You want me to
Speaker 1: tell you whether I want to resuscitate him if her
Speaker 1: codes again?
Speaker 6: Yes, I can't do that.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 2: You can see me?
Speaker 3: Can you see me? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, wallet, No nothing, guys a John.
Speaker 3: Doe, you died loget everything we could.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: Gray. Do you know what that is?
Speaker 4: A baby's head? I want this freaking thing off now.
Speaker 3: Man, he has PTSD.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about talking to a psychiatrist? Call it
Speaker 1: travel tam, give me the I'm showing.
Speaker 2: No kidd it.
Speaker 6: Charlie is twice the surgeon you will ever be.
Speaker 2: Don't you give up on me.
Speaker 3: I'm still here.
Speaker 1: I totally agree that he is like Carter Hall a plus.
Speaker 1: Like I see this guy coming in because Lewis is
Speaker 1: in there looking around the ten and you see the
Speaker 1: subtle lot of this Indiana Jones looking guy like he's
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man like he he looks so much
Speaker 1: cooler here than he didn't, Absolutely justice Frankly Jones.
Speaker 3: He's in his environment, you know, he's in he's he's
Speaker 3: going back to like his hair. I always thought with Hawkman,
Speaker 3: it would been really cool to get different like when
Speaker 3: you do like flashbacks, you get different actors to play
Speaker 3: Hawkman at different times. But is he supposed to be reincarnation?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that doesn't exactly mean you're going to look the same.
Speaker 3: Right, And that was all was my thought, Like was.
Speaker 1: I never that never occurred to me? But that actually
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like because I thought about that a lot during
Speaker 3: Legends of Tomorrow when they tried to do like the
Speaker 3: Hawks and they told their story in the past, and
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, this actor doesn't really look
Speaker 3: like he'd be an Egyptian.
Speaker 1: Prince to me, Yeah, he really doesn't look like a
Speaker 1: Kufu shout out. Shout out to the guys from always
Speaker 1: on the Arrow. They always have a good laugh and
Speaker 1: they talk about Prince Kufu about looking about as white
Speaker 1: as I am.
Speaker 3: So like, I always just thought, you know, it'd be
Speaker 3: great for like each because they always talk about he
Speaker 3: recognizes her, you know, he doesn't know it's her, Like
Speaker 3: it's about the soul bond, you know. So I was like,
Speaker 3: they always get reading Carnea as different people, like it's
Speaker 3: the soul that comes back. So I just thought it
Speaker 3: would be cool to get different actors to be hawk Man.
Speaker 1: So we get this whole set up here where you know,
Speaker 1: Lois looks at some hieroglyphic of them right of Shiara
Speaker 1: and Carter. What's his uh, what's his name? What's talk man? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But what's what's the what's the Shiara version of his name?
Speaker 4: Oh? I oh?
Speaker 3: Is it like isn't car Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like it's like cartour, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: He and Gwynn.
Speaker 1: I really like how the Justice League animated series. Well,
Speaker 1: I like how that did everything, but I kind of
Speaker 1: really liked how they did the whole hawk Band story
Speaker 1: and they did the Thanagarian thing. With Aliens and like, well,
Speaker 1: here's an Egyptian guy, and like they kind of put
Speaker 1: all that community out there for you. But Carter Halls,
Speaker 1: he's almost looking at this. He's like there were lovers
Speaker 1: and Starcross lovers. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's Carter Hall, and we know who he is. She
Speaker 1: doesn't know who he is. She's never met Carl Hall.
Speaker 1: And you think, oh, what a great reveal. We're gonna
Speaker 1: cut to that. Somebody's safe. No, we keep going, we
Speaker 1: keep going. In the opening credits here, it's interesting, really
Speaker 1: stretched us out right. So, uh, Clark is trying to
Speaker 1: trying to call Chloe as usual because he needs help,
Speaker 1: and uh, some random guy gives him a newspaper and
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, Lowis Lane page three and it's like
Speaker 1: Lois Lane joins Perry White at the It's like, how
Speaker 1: was what kind of weird self promotion is.
Speaker 3: That she's that's in my notes right here. I said,
Speaker 3: what the paper really take up that much space in
Speaker 3: their paper self promoting their reporter getting a promotion?
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially because Lois always seems to be getting into trouble,
Speaker 4: so it's like it seems like she's there's always some
Speaker 4: sort of an issue, and then they're making a big
Speaker 4: deal out of her, you know, getting this big byline
Speaker 4: with Perry White.
Speaker 3: And they still work in the basement, right, Yeah they do,
Speaker 3: because I mean.
Speaker 4: That's the set that they will never Yeah, they could
Speaker 4: have just redressed it. They just I just think because
Speaker 4: they had the steps there, they just decided they're just
Speaker 4: always going to be in the basement.
Speaker 1: They built this set in two thousand and five. Okay,
Speaker 1: So there they are milking and it's a beautiful setutiful,
Speaker 1: but it is like, aren't you guys like this is
Speaker 1: the basement like Interim Coloye's supposed to work at and
Speaker 1: you guys are like real people. But anyway, Clark, you know,
Speaker 1: sits down at his desk and he's like, well, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta go to Africa and get her right.
Speaker 1: So he prints out a take it to Cairo and
Speaker 1: round Tribune movie. Fine, I'll take a screenshot this, look
Speaker 1: at the prices what they were all the years ago
Speaker 1: for airplane and take.
Speaker 3: A ten I thought about that.
Speaker 1: So he's like this is this is like setting up
Speaker 1: like he's gonna go get her right, and then he
Speaker 1: see he gets up and he sees his purse, Alis's sys.
Speaker 1: He's like Lois and then Cat Grant appears and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: everybody Cat Grant with a C not to take the
Speaker 1: confused of that woman on TV from season nine because
Speaker 1: there must be two, because there's two Cat Grants. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they at least addressed it right like we would.
Speaker 1: The whole time would have been like wait a minute,
Speaker 1: just like the Supergirl in season seven. The whole time
Speaker 1: we would have been like wait a minute. But the
Speaker 1: show addresses it. The address it.
Speaker 3: There's two.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. U. Cat Grant carry Lynn Pratt,
Speaker 1: who I have come to know from Jack and Bobby.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone revers that show, but she
Speaker 1: was on that show. I've recently I have been tracking
Speaker 1: it down because it's as unavailable everywhere. But it's really
Speaker 1: cool concept for a show. Go check it out. But anyway,
Speaker 1: she was on that show, and I guess that was
Speaker 1: her claim to fame on the WB before this, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's how she got in the orbit of all
Speaker 1: these castling directors. So she's super annoying she's supposed to be,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't make it better. So John what do
Speaker 1: you think about this character?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in my notes, I forgot she was in this episode.
Speaker 4: So when the camera panda tilted up and she introduces herself,
Speaker 4: all I wrote was katgrant dot dot dot dear God. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 5: Then.
Speaker 4: You know, if a character is supposed to be a
Speaker 4: little grading or annoying, it's okay if they get under
Speaker 4: your skin a few times, but if they're kind of
Speaker 4: grading on you the whole episode, it makes it it
Speaker 4: it takes you out of it a little bit. I
Speaker 4: will say, I definitely prefer the latter half of the
Speaker 4: episode when you see obviously the twist and turn of
Speaker 4: her character. Yes, and in terms of having to okay,
Speaker 4: so the super Girl, I'll give them, I'm gonna give
Speaker 4: them a break on that, you know, because as we've
Speaker 4: as we've you know, said that season five clearly was
Speaker 4: originally meant to be the end. So having her show up,
Speaker 4: you know, they're like, well, we're never going to see Supergirls,
Speaker 4: so you know, bringing her up in the in the
Speaker 4: you know, now the first half of the series wouldn't matter.
Speaker 4: And then of course they got far enough they're like,
Speaker 4: well we'll just bring her into it. But with Kat Grant.
Speaker 4: This was just last season, so you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not like one of those like, oh, you know
Speaker 4: we're wrapping you know, we're wrapping up, we might as
Speaker 4: well or we didn't go. We were gonna go. They
Speaker 4: didn't think we were going to go this long, So
Speaker 4: we're going to have a new one in there. It's
Speaker 4: it's it's a bit on the weird side, but we've
Speaker 4: we've accepted weirder things on this show. But yeah, so
Speaker 4: I definitely prefer her more in the latter half of
Speaker 4: the episode than she does commit. The actress very much
Speaker 4: commits to it, so I and and she has good timing,
Speaker 4: so I'm you know, I don't want to I don't
Speaker 4: want to just bash the actress. It's it's just the writing. Ultimately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she comes on just so strong in this first scenes.
Speaker 1: It takes a while for that for bad first impression
Speaker 1: to wear off, because she does get better over the
Speaker 1: course of the episode and the season.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ooof man, it's it's a rough first impression. What do
Speaker 1: you think of her? Tyler?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, my first question is where does this
Speaker 3: version of cat Grant come from? You know, because I've
Speaker 3: been rereading a lot of the comics and early two thousands.
Speaker 3: This feels very much and I could be wrong a
Speaker 3: version for the show itself of how Cat Grant is,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it was. It was weird because like she said,
Speaker 3: like you pointed out, like that was just last season
Speaker 3: and even even in this episode jumping ahead, like she's
Speaker 3: not really Cat Grant, like she changed her name to
Speaker 3: Cat Grant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was strange. I don't I don't think it's
Speaker 1: ever been the case for the character, but maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, not that I've run into. So it's it's
Speaker 3: it's really weird. And yeah, she is annoying, and I
Speaker 3: feel like it does a little bit tried towards the
Speaker 3: latter half of the season to make you kind of
Speaker 3: like her or not seasoned episode like her when she
Speaker 3: kind of lets her guard down and you see things.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was it was just weird. It's a
Speaker 3: very weird version of this character. I don't need like
Speaker 3: the Lois and Clark cat Grant, you know, Yeah, but
Speaker 3: this Cat Grant feels like they're like, we have to
Speaker 3: do the exact opposite of what we did over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, I'll tell you what. By far, favorite, Cat
Speaker 1: Grant pull us to flock cart.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I totally forgot that. That's I totally forgot
Speaker 4: that she played Cat Grant, huge.
Speaker 1: Part of season one and big reason why season one's
Speaker 1: my favorite season super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. From the few clips I saw of the show,
Speaker 4: she stole what what you know, whatever moments that she
Speaker 4: was in. I didn't. I didn't watch any of season one.
Speaker 4: I pretty much only started watching when John Criers Lex
Speaker 4: Sluthor came on to the show and I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: I guess I'll be watching that I watched.
Speaker 1: I was not watching super only more by that point,
Speaker 1: but I tuned in for every John Carr episode. Absolutely
Speaker 1: I understand. So turns out Cat Grant is also very
Speaker 1: anti vigilante. She pulls out our radio turns on you
Speaker 1: know talk radio Godfreed. Hey, yep, sne slip in Think
Speaker 1: Things Through.
Speaker 3: That was a nice slip. And then she's like, I'll
Speaker 3: give you the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because so Clark's listening to this guy talk all
Speaker 1: this this the you know, just the slander these vigilantes,
Speaker 1: right heroes really and then he like slams his hand
Speaker 1: on the radio turn off. He's like, hr is a
Speaker 1: strict the radio policy at work, Like that's good.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, we've all been around people who like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care what it is, but
Speaker 1: it's something's turned on in a place of business and
Speaker 1: annoys you, and you're like, you all want to do that.
Speaker 1: So we are all Clark at that moment. And uh
Speaker 1: and then she starts talking not only that, so it's
Speaker 1: like this escalation of like she's talking mess about that.
Speaker 1: Then she starts talking mess about Lois Lane. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Clark's like, hey, this desk is not for you, so
Speaker 1: oh yes it is. I'm a new partner. And she
Speaker 1: throws Lois's name tag away. And then in response to this,
Speaker 1: Clark the cookie that he had graciously taken him a
Speaker 1: cat rant, be careful their extra goody had just pain
Speaker 1: in this morning. Uh, he throws that in the trash,
Speaker 1: takes Lois's name tag out. That last shot. That's how
Speaker 1: we go to somebody saying. She's like, I don't think
Speaker 1: you get it. I'm a new partner, And just that
Speaker 1: whole like exasperated expression on Tom Wrlingk's face is really good,
Speaker 1: Like he excels at comedy. Yeah, he excels at being
Speaker 1: a villain. He excels a comedy, and he excels at
Speaker 1: all his interplay with Ericar Durantz. Those when he shines
Speaker 1: on their show, so great little.
Speaker 4: Moment comedic whise he is he definitely uh, he definitely
Speaker 4: excels in looking frustrated, annoyed, or completely taken off guard
Speaker 4: that the surprise. The surprise Tom Welling face could basically
Speaker 4: be a meme of you know too itself.
Speaker 3: Is how I got We all have a personal that
Speaker 3: at work. You just you're like they just keep going
Speaker 3: like they have no filter, like try to get to
Speaker 3: know you and like what you're like or what you
Speaker 3: know upsets you. They're just like, oh, Godfrey's so right,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about all this? And Lois
Speaker 3: Lane did all this and He's like, you just started here,
Speaker 3: like you're already just want to talk trash about people?
Speaker 1: Is he is Jim Hoppard in search of a camera
Speaker 1: in those moments?
Speaker 4: Definite.
Speaker 1: I do I give the show credit for, like, because
Speaker 1: I was talking about he let's bild out the data
Speaker 1: planet staff. We need more than just three people we
Speaker 1: talked to, right, So I give him credit for bringing
Speaker 1: in this character, so I don't be too hard on
Speaker 1: how annoying she is, and she does get better, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoof man, she is tough tills follow when
Speaker 1: she first shows up. We got the opening credits, we
Speaker 1: come back, we see a lot of great scenes from
Speaker 1: from season ten. We do indeed see that Lois in
Speaker 1: the desert shot, and we see a bunch of We
Speaker 1: see Lois and Glasses, we see Clark and glasses so
Speaker 1: much false advertising.
Speaker 4: I love the glasses.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is the first opening credits with
Speaker 1: just the four of Tom America, Justin and uh Cassidy,
Speaker 1: and it's like, wow's four people, right.
Speaker 4: They really spread the names over the over the.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that they put that Alison Mack only an
Speaker 1: episode she was in, but I guess she had that
Speaker 1: shorter contract this season, and because because another other characters,
Speaker 1: like you know, or another actors, like when Erica Drantz
Speaker 1: first started or John Glover, like they had these like
Speaker 1: thirteen episode contracts. That's still like enough, but like if
Speaker 1: Alison Macs she was like what like in five or six,
Speaker 1: five or six episodes, you can't have her in twenty two.
Speaker 4: Every sea, Yeah, because then you have her fans who don't,
Speaker 4: because I mean for us who are in this space
Speaker 4: and we like learned, like I heard from interview, is
Speaker 4: how many episodes John Glover was doing, how many episodes
Speaker 4: Alison Mack was doing. That's for us, for people who
Speaker 4: watch the show and you know, maybe you know and
Speaker 4: maybe you know, like Chloe's character, If they keep coming
Speaker 4: back every week and seeing and Alison Mack in the
Speaker 4: credits and she once again isn't on it for you know,
Speaker 4: and that happens like seventeen times, that's you know, that's
Speaker 4: that's kind of a blow for them. So I definitely
Speaker 4: get why they opted to remove her for the episode
Speaker 4: she's not in.
Speaker 1: Do you wish she would have been in all these though? Like,
Speaker 1: do you wish she would have been in the full
Speaker 1: twenty or not? Just I'm not to the credits, I
Speaker 1: mean just as the character.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I'm glad to take a break from her. Quite frankly,
Speaker 4: I was agreeing with every every single annoying Chloe moment
Speaker 4: that drove you insane for the last for the past
Speaker 4: two seasons. Zach I was on board. I was on
Speaker 4: board every single time she I feel like they kind
Speaker 4: of assassinated her character and then rebuilt the character too
Speaker 4: many times. At this point, they kind of it was
Speaker 4: good to still have her for the history and to
Speaker 4: have both to have at least two cast members that
Speaker 4: made it through the entire series, so just for the
Speaker 4: history of it. It was cool to kind of technically
Speaker 4: have her a part of the main cast, but not really.
Speaker 4: I don't think they really knew what to do with
Speaker 4: her anyway. And then the episode where they bring her
Speaker 4: back this we're not going to.
Speaker 1: Talk No, no, I don't off the look and see
Speaker 1: who was on the schedule for that one. Apologies in advance.
Speaker 1: That's the Matrix episode. That's pretty rough, But Tyler, you
Speaker 1: feel the same anything Chloe's gonna play out by now.
Speaker 3: It is one of those where you get a character
Speaker 3: that people like and then you just keep them around.
Speaker 3: You're trying to find something for them to do, but
Speaker 3: you don't have anything for them because they serve their purpose. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think by pulling her back when she did
Speaker 3: show up, it made us more excited to see the character.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you were.
Speaker 3: Talking about like her and the credits kind of reminds
Speaker 3: me of a back in the day when you'd watch
Speaker 3: Batman sixty six and all of a sudden, you get
Speaker 3: the batgirl. Yeah, and you're like, oh, back's gonna be
Speaker 3: in this episode. It's kind of like that, that's.
Speaker 1: A good that's a good call back, that's good.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I just I feel like it's interesting
Speaker 3: because I think about we're approaching the final season of
Speaker 3: Superman and Lowest and we know they had budget cuts
Speaker 3: and they were they pulled back who are the main
Speaker 3: cast you know of that show, to where like you said,
Speaker 3: on this show you only have four main cast members
Speaker 3: and nowhere else is like guest starring. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 3: a it's a it's a season of guest stars.
Speaker 1: Yeah. More, I mean because you get John Shrier, you
Speaker 1: get John Glover getting into a tool all back from
Speaker 1: multiple episodes, right, So it pays off. But in Chloe's absence,
Speaker 1: Tests is now gonna be Chloe, right, because Oliver's at
Speaker 1: the Watchtower and Test shows up. He's like, hey you
Speaker 1: he gave me a call, and Ili was just like,
Speaker 1: I can't find Chloe's gone. I can't find anywhere. And
Speaker 1: then this is when I think the reverencing back to
Speaker 1: the Legion episode right where he's like Chloe's been totally raced,
Speaker 1: just like there's no there's no evidence of forever. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, is was this them trying to because the
Speaker 1: whole thing with with you know, Chloe was its place
Speaker 1: in the future, right And they have the Legion put
Speaker 1: that line and it's.
Speaker 4: Like, oh wow, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1: Look at them paying attention. But the Legions like we
Speaker 1: have no record of Chloe solve and like what does
Speaker 1: it mean? And like.
Speaker 4: Slay the ultimate tool for the record?
Speaker 3: Yeah, only My favorite line was only Chloe could erase
Speaker 3: Chloe so dramatic.
Speaker 4: If she had sunglasses, he should have taken them off
Speaker 4: as she was was who said that?
Speaker 3: Was that?
Speaker 4: Was that tests? Or is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Should do the day with Caruso. She's the redhead.
Speaker 1: She's got it already, absolutely, But I know that there's
Speaker 1: no digital record of Chloe Slovan anywhere, and I think
Speaker 1: this is I think this is what they were trying
Speaker 1: to tie those loosens together. But anyway, then then we
Speaker 1: it's like she never existed. But then this is them
Speaker 1: kind of positioning test to take over for Chloe, which
Speaker 1: which makes me think they had some inclination about this
Speaker 1: at the end of season nine when they had that
Speaker 1: episod over, there were like bonding together and the which
Speaker 1: they didn't end up bonding as much as I remember
Speaker 1: them doing when I actually episodeless, but there was that like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're more alike than we think, and you'd be the
Speaker 1: perfect person to take over for me because you're just
Speaker 1: as broken as I have kind of thing right, and
Speaker 1: I guess, like I don't know, that kind of does
Speaker 1: work out because Test is now kind of on the
Speaker 1: Good Guys team quote unquote, and we need something for
Speaker 1: her to do other than be like pseudo lex is
Speaker 1: she good as she bad? We're kind of moved past that.
Speaker 1: So she does slide in here very nicely. But then
Speaker 1: Oliver gives her this this this like goodbye letter that
Speaker 1: Chloe wrote Oliver and he thinks Tess wrote it to
Speaker 1: like because she's responsible for Chloe being gone, And you know,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting moment because Test reason it gets pretty emotional, right,
Speaker 1: She's like, Oliver, I didn't write this. Chloe did. And
Speaker 1: it just makes me again, reminds me that, like rewatching
Speaker 1: the show, I'm like, yeah, I'm way more of an
Speaker 1: Oliver Test shipper than an Oliver Chloe Chloe ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. There was something, Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: something more tragic about it when when you have a
Speaker 4: superhero who's a lot i mean left for all intensive purposes.
Speaker 4: Test was brought onto the show to be an antagonist,
Speaker 4: to be a shady antagonist that you can kind of
Speaker 4: use for multiple purposes, whether she was the full on villain,
Speaker 4: whether she was a supporting, you know, anti hero, something
Speaker 4: like that. There's something so interesting when a when a
Speaker 4: heroic character falls for a character like that, because there's
Speaker 4: always this feeling of the hero is attracted to their
Speaker 4: dark side in them, and then you know, then the
Speaker 4: other half is attracted to whatever light that you know
Speaker 4: comes from them. In a sense, you know, they kind
Speaker 4: of make a perfect pairing. But at the same time
Speaker 4: it's also very complex. But with Chloe and Oliver, it
Speaker 4: felt like, well, I mean, we need to give Chloe
Speaker 4: a honky guy because we've been we've been we've been
Speaker 4: keeping her away from from Clark and we've been killing
Speaker 4: her boyfriends, and so let's get the great at the end.
Speaker 1: I have always went that way. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, Chloe did it of a superman, but she
Speaker 1: ended up with basically Batman in this universe. So that's great.
Speaker 1: I'm glad because I just I wanted her to get
Speaker 1: a happy ending. Yeah, I was so sick she going
Speaker 1: to go crazy? Is she gonna die? Right? And then
Speaker 1: I'm watching the show because I was like in love
Speaker 1: with Chloe when I was a teenager watching this show,
Speaker 1: right of course, you know, I wanted her to have
Speaker 1: happy any with any get and then rewatching it. I mean,
Speaker 1: Johnny Mitchell, like, I was getting so frustrated the character.
Speaker 1: So now I'm too, Frankly, I'm like, yeah, let's get
Speaker 1: some let's get some new uh just those guilt ship
Speaker 1: and she to Clark and all this stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm kind of over.
Speaker 4: Somebody out of completely out of line. So many now,
Speaker 4: let's the show is littered with people who are hypocritical.
Speaker 4: Let's be honest. There's a whole lot of why didn't
Speaker 4: you tell me? Why didn't you tell me? Why didn't
Speaker 4: you tell me? Chris crossing from all of them. But
Speaker 4: the tide was she basically like I can't remember what
Speaker 4: episode it was where she blatantly blames everything that happened
Speaker 4: to Jimmy on Clark and I'm just like, I don't
Speaker 4: understand what logic you're standing on here. Like literally every
Speaker 4: time Clark tried to do something, especially sending Davis into
Speaker 4: the phantom zone to avoid, you know, murdering him, and
Speaker 4: she was like, no, we can't do that. They they
Speaker 4: really really pig ponged her character, her motivation, and I
Speaker 4: wonder even, well, we're not going to find out now,
Speaker 4: but I wonder what Alison Mack actually thought about the
Speaker 4: writing for her character during during those during those periods,
Speaker 4: because it definitely.
Speaker 1: I can't wait when she's on Talk Fill and they
Speaker 1: can talk all about it.
Speaker 4: John Absolutely, yeah, yeah, so it should be very interesting
Speaker 4: from behind bars, that should be that would be very interesting.
Speaker 4: But I guess you.
Speaker 3: Brought up Tests writing the letter. You know, Test is
Speaker 3: like the tragic character who never quite gets embraced as
Speaker 3: one of them, Like she's brought in, she's fully accepted,
Speaker 3: and she's one that like in the end, like when
Speaker 3: she dies spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: We don't spoil the series finale on the show, Tiler,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with.
Speaker 3: I've been listening to the show for years. Nobody cares
Speaker 3: or it's like worst Tests or what happened to tests, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like an open thread that just you know, she
Speaker 3: dies protecting them all and there's never anything that's like
Speaker 3: for tests.
Speaker 1: Well that that is super tragic. And that's why I
Speaker 1: think she resonates so much as a character ultimately, because
Speaker 1: she she is never really all these She loves Oliver
Speaker 1: and you know Oliver's moved on from her, and yeah,
Speaker 1: she's kind of got a thing for Clark Luthor, right,
Speaker 1: but he's evil and tries to kill her, and it's
Speaker 1: just like it's rough for her. Right, she loved Lex,
Speaker 1: I think before she knew he.
Speaker 4: Was her brothers. Cassidy's a great actress, and I think
Speaker 4: that's the reason why, like they kept writing interesting stuff
Speaker 4: for her, even if some of it was contradictory, you know,
Speaker 4: making her a looser. My opinion is that I say,
Speaker 4: in every writer's room there's a gigantic whiteboard and there's
Speaker 4: a whole lot of back door, trapdoor yeah things that
Speaker 4: they could use elements to keep characters on the show.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of creepy that they were like, well,
Speaker 4: you know, we're not quite sure if Tess is you know,
Speaker 4: Lex's sister or you know, mess around Buddy just yet.
Speaker 4: So let so we'll play it one way and then
Speaker 4: if the story goes in another direction, we'll just say,
Speaker 4: you know, Lionel select with another person, which, lets be honest,
Speaker 4: that track, Yeah he cleaned up, Yeah, Lionel definitely. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's got more than a few kids out there.
Speaker 1: Definitely. In season eight, Hitch, I loved you. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a that was a loved things definitely. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing, right, Oh, also, all this odd stuff
Speaker 1: in season nine weird, but I kind of liked it,
Speaker 1: like it was really weird.
Speaker 4: That Yeah, that was pretty cool. It was a power thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a sexual power thing between the two of them.
Speaker 4: You know, they both felt strong that neither of them
Speaker 4: felt particularly weak. Each one was a very specific chess
Speaker 4: move every time the two of them did something evil
Speaker 4: or dirty.
Speaker 1: But I think them figuring out finally that oh she's
Speaker 1: Lena Luther, basically Lea Luther. Oh like perfect, because okay,
Speaker 1: secret siblings it's a thing, right, Usually it infuriates me
Speaker 1: when it's like, oh, yeah, this character had this other
Speaker 1: sibling we never heard about for ever. Lean Luther exists
Speaker 1: in the comics, right, So it's not like you just
Speaker 1: made this up one and two. To your point, John
Speaker 1: Lionel got around so he it totally like to me,
Speaker 1: that didn't feel like a ridiculous rick On felt like,
Speaker 1: oh now I finally understand why this care, how she
Speaker 1: fits in everything. I think it actually enhanced the character.
Speaker 3: It also explains why this character we hadn't really heard
Speaker 3: of had a prominent role in Luther Court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you think I recruited?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 1: Treated like my own flesh and blood? Like you know.
Speaker 3: It kind of makes you feel like okay, like okay,
Speaker 3: that makes sense because you know Lionel always kept tabs
Speaker 3: on things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wanted to make sure no one was coming
Speaker 4: Freddie for his money, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like his big son Lucas who giant role.
Speaker 1: Bottle of small history.
Speaker 4: Where the world is Lucas Luce. There, there's your sped
Speaker 4: off that they never did.
Speaker 1: All they had to do was write. I'm sure they
Speaker 1: thought they wrote him off with like a lion somewhere,
Speaker 1: and they just forgot like, no, you never said he died.
Speaker 3: He's just all you had to do is have Lex
Speaker 3: sitting there and someone comes walking in. He's like it's done.
Speaker 3: We put him in the ground and then he closes
Speaker 3: the laptop, like good.
Speaker 1: We spend more time with the clone Julian Luthor.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Vampire Diaries, it's on the network. Just have
Speaker 1: him come over for like a day and just wrap
Speaker 1: that character up if.
Speaker 3: You wanted to. How easy? In season ten, the opening
Speaker 3: is Lucas walking into something and then there's one of
Speaker 3: the Lex clones. They're just like pop and sat down.
Speaker 1: So far past that eight years later, right, But anyway,
Speaker 1: so that sets up kind of we're sirely sending what
Speaker 1: Tessa's role is gonna be this season. H We'll go
Speaker 1: back to Cairo and Lois is looking at the IIS necklace, right,
Speaker 1: She's like, well, I thought those Sex and the City
Speaker 1: girls had got his taste. Was this before or after
Speaker 1: the Sex and the City movie where they go to
Speaker 1: the desert? I don't know.
Speaker 4: After that, right, I'm pretty sure it's after the first
Speaker 4: one came out, when The Dark Knight came out the
Speaker 4: same weekend. That is crilliant, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, the originally
Speaker 4: it was one of the original Barberheimer's kid.
Speaker 1: So Lois refers to Curter Hall here as you some
Speaker 1: kind of Inana Jones. You come to make sure that
Speaker 1: these are authentic artifacts and yeah. So it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough, you can tell. He's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So he texts Clark and he's like, Lois Lane is safe.
Speaker 1: You owe me big time. So I like how, I
Speaker 1: like how this doesn't just happen to be Oh my god,
Speaker 1: look good talking man, Like this is all planned, This
Speaker 1: is all you know, set up this way. And they
Speaker 1: start talking about the sun god raw and then she
Speaker 1: starts talking about what if the guy's seen across from
Speaker 1: you was the sun God raw? So this is her
Speaker 1: like trying to talk about this without talking about it.
Speaker 1: This is a cute scene.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: And then especially when he drops the line, why don't
Speaker 3: you just go ask Clark? Yeah, because he just gets
Speaker 3: tired of her talking like in circles and like trying
Speaker 3: not to stuff. He's like, look, let's just get the
Speaker 3: cat out of the bag. Let's let's get it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll just cut through it. I love it,
Speaker 1: and this character would do that, right. But hey, let's
Speaker 1: not forget that. A tea comes in and brings them
Speaker 1: some tea, I assume, and that's uh, it's uh Barry
Speaker 1: Allen and Iris west S daughter from the Future. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: she is still a terrible actress. She gets better by
Speaker 1: the time she's up in the Flash. I guess she
Speaker 1: took some I mean, look, I'm just being real all
Speaker 1: she's she's not good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love her in the Flash. She had better
Speaker 3: chemistry with Grant Gustin.
Speaker 1: Than everyone great Tyler, everyone had better chemistry than Kenny Scottons.
Speaker 3: I still wish. I still go back and say they
Speaker 3: screwed up and they let Patty leave the series.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had great chemistry. I fell off the show
Speaker 4: at the middle of season four. I just I couldn't anymore.
Speaker 4: It was brilliant, but you know, it's just star Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't even need to get into that. They're writing
Speaker 4: was got awful.
Speaker 1: But they're they're sprinkling in the suicide squad here, So
Speaker 1: we see Plastick here. We don't know you ever gonna
Speaker 1: see her again. We're gonna see her fiery eyes and
Speaker 1: know that I know that that was her. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about it, right, But that's such a I don't like
Speaker 1: the suicide squad in Smallville like I I mean, Aero
Speaker 1: obviously has the best live action suicide squad.
Speaker 4: We got to spend a little more time with them too.
Speaker 1: We do we and there's so much better they are
Speaker 1: the better.
Speaker 3: It's the characters they chose, like Plastic and then parasite,
Speaker 3: like the small vill.
Speaker 1: Like that's the Injustice League, Tyler. Let's not be confused.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: But plastic at all. She's on all the lame teams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the off shoots. Yeah, all the off shoots, the
Speaker 4: off brand versions. We had the suicide squad at home.
Speaker 1: We haven't suicide squad at all. That's that's who these
Speaker 1: guys are. Oh my gosh, at least John McCain destro
Speaker 1: is not leading the suicide squad.
Speaker 3: That is the one that's probably the one casting to
Speaker 3: his whole series. I'm like, what were you thinking, Well, it's.
Speaker 1: Like he has an eyepatch on Bostar Galactica, so I
Speaker 1: guess he can be slaved. At the time, I didn't
Speaker 1: underst I didn't understand how wrong casting that was because
Speaker 1: I didn't really know much about death Stroke or anything
Speaker 1: for the comics.
Speaker 4: And likewise, same thing. Actually, I didn't think much of it.
Speaker 4: It was Michael Hogan is a is a sort of
Speaker 4: an iconic science fiction actor and he was playing this
Speaker 4: you know, you know this antagonist. Yeah, exactly, And so
Speaker 4: I'm like it's a role that he'd play, he could
Speaker 4: do in his sleep. So I didn't think very much
Speaker 4: of it. But yeah, once I started understanding the mythology
Speaker 4: of the character and seeing him on Justice League as well,
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, I think he's someone owed
Speaker 4: him a favor or I don't know someone.
Speaker 1: I mean, all the Canadian actors up there with BSG, like,
Speaker 1: it was all a lot of crossover a lot of
Speaker 1: those actors.
Speaker 3: So it took me a minute to realize that he
Speaker 3: was like death Stroke. Like he said, Slade Wilson, I
Speaker 3: just hadn't put the name with like the character yet.
Speaker 3: And then he yeah, even when he says that, I
Speaker 3: was like, that's kind of funny and.
Speaker 1: The most inous lines to me of this show.
Speaker 3: And then later on I was like it dawned on me,
Speaker 3: like oh my god, that's oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was just like, ah, that's all right, and hey,
Speaker 1: you know what Hawkman talks about dying and who kills
Speaker 1: him John McCain, Dead Strokes. There was no escape from
Speaker 1: that conversation. But uh we uh we cut back to
Speaker 1: Uh Clark and Cat and uh they're going out to
Speaker 1: out to Kat's car and uh, and we see this
Speaker 1: guy with an eyepiece and it's got a bunch of
Speaker 1: stats on it and he's looking at I think it's
Speaker 1: just like a like a Dodge something. I I want
Speaker 1: to say it is. I want to say that, you know,
Speaker 1: my best friend Lance Last from Ice on Air. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure he had the same car. The inside looked
Speaker 1: very different, I would hope, so I think this was
Speaker 1: his car, Lance, let me know. But then what I
Speaker 1: don't Why is dead Shot a cowboy? Right?
Speaker 4: Steep punk cowboy thing? I didn't get. That threw me
Speaker 4: off completely.
Speaker 3: I have that my notes, like when did dead Shot
Speaker 3: become like a cowboy? Like when did we get the
Speaker 3: wild West dead Shot? Like, I don't remember that in
Speaker 3: the comics unless these are from comics I never read
Speaker 3: or new existed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like dead Shot? I mean obviously, again, the best
Speaker 1: one is from Marrow. He had a great story arc there.
Speaker 1: And then you know Will Smith. I love Little Smith.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's fine. We'd be some kind of suicide.
Speaker 4: He's doing his thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did what he was hired to do in
Speaker 1: that triangle bitch.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: So we see this magic bullet, it's the JFK bullet,
Speaker 1: it's the bending bullet. I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's supposed to if if you're if you're
Speaker 4: a Bond fan, when the Scaramanga sends him a bullet
Speaker 4: with the double oh seven etched in it, that was
Speaker 4: That's the first thing I thought of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that has gotta be the inspiration.
Speaker 4: Right, if he was a cooler villain, it would have
Speaker 4: been awesome. They should have made it more like Scarabaga.
Speaker 1: Christopher Lee so wasted though, and then one of the
Speaker 1: worst James Bond movies.
Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, he's the best thing about the movie.
Speaker 4: He's the best thing about most of his films. He is,
Speaker 4: he is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we get that. We we just follow this
Speaker 1: bullet kind of zooming through all this stuff, and he
Speaker 1: goes into the tailpipe of Cat Grant's car and she
Speaker 1: makes them really obnoxious like Grandpa always said, buckle up,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, yeah, and the car
Speaker 1: blows up, like please let her die, and this explodation.
Speaker 4: It's the opening credits a casino. The opening credits a
Speaker 4: casino with the car going up and then the flames everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's true, so it's an epic super save. Right, he
Speaker 1: gets her out of that car, and because it's season ten,
Speaker 1: we gotta like Clark's entire body blocks the car blowing
Speaker 1: up behind them, so we don't really have to see
Speaker 1: a lot. It's very clever blocking, right, Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like her car is upside down on the street
Speaker 1: and and flames. We cut the commercial. We come back
Speaker 1: and Clark is holding, as you said, the this Caravega
Speaker 1: bullet right, it's it's yeah, and it looks like it
Speaker 1: has the letters cat Grant on it, but as we
Speaker 1: find out, it really has the letters Clark Kin on it.
Speaker 3: So my question to you about that is, what's what's
Speaker 3: his whole point? Like, what is he trying to accomplish?
Speaker 1: Well, later on it makes sense because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: clark Kin is bulletproof. How are we going to shoot him?
Speaker 1: I know we'll attack somebody that he's closer. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then that, but but then that doesn't really explain this,
Speaker 1: and it also doesn't explain an All they need to
Speaker 1: do is hit him with and it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: kill him. It just leaves a marker on him. For
Speaker 1: them to track them, right.
Speaker 3: That's all they want is to track him. And then
Speaker 3: we see later on that Hawkman just puts water on
Speaker 3: his face and it does the same thing. So I
Speaker 3: feel like it's so convoluted and drawn out that they're
Speaker 3: just trying to track Clark. Yeah, you know, and they're
Speaker 3: trying to make it a mystery and a twist like Nope,
Speaker 3: they're after Clark, not Cat.
Speaker 4: And I'm starting to think they chose Kat Grant's name
Speaker 4: purely so that they can do the twist of it
Speaker 4: being because of the amount of letters that are sim Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm starting to wonder if that's the whole freaking reason
Speaker 4: they used it. Just goes ah, look at the names.
Speaker 4: They have the same, they have the right letters in it.
Speaker 4: We can missmash it.
Speaker 1: They wrote this whole episode and the song's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: didn't we use her last season? Like all right, we'll
Speaker 1: write a lie in it. Ron Troop doesn't have the
Speaker 1: same letters as a Cat Grant unfortunately, so she's.
Speaker 3: Not really Cat Grant. She's just she stole that name.
Speaker 3: She's really this person that's later on in my notes.
Speaker 1: What's funny is Cat Grant is like I was a
Speaker 1: valuatorian who would want to kill me and Clark' say
Speaker 1: maybe they confused you with somebody else. And it's like,
Speaker 1: remember we just talked about how you're not the woman
Speaker 1: from the TV show. This would have been the time
Speaker 1: to lean into that more. But that's such an afterthought, right,
Speaker 1: But then she starts going off about how Lois Lane's
Speaker 1: and conspiracy theorists and you sound like her and you know,
Speaker 1: always rallying against you know, normal people. He's like normal
Speaker 1: people and like it's like lifestyle choices, like whoa you know,
Speaker 1: so like the other they're trying to get in political
Speaker 1: Yeah right, this is this is them. Okay again, I
Speaker 1: like there's other characters of the Daily Planet, and I
Speaker 1: do look, I do give this. This episode is a
Speaker 1: really messy set up for a plot line for the
Speaker 1: whole season, and it's about like hey, vigilantes and coming
Speaker 1: out of the shadows and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: I like that idea, but like you were talking about, Tyler,
Speaker 1: it's a very convoluted set up and it's all it
Speaker 1: kind of gets lost in this in this half baked mystery,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It is like it's just once you watch the other
Speaker 3: and you go back and you're like, if they're just
Speaker 3: trying to tag them, there is a much easier way.
Speaker 1: M hmm. Well, and well she doesn't make a good
Speaker 1: point because Clark's like, wholla, she used to say these
Speaker 1: things about these people if they can't defend themselves, and
Speaker 1: she's like, well, why don't they just come out and
Speaker 1: speak out for themselves. I was like, well, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: actually good point, and that's I guess that's why Oliver,
Speaker 1: you know, says I am iron Man.
Speaker 4: Later this season, they played the Black Sabbat song afterwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this Believe or Not, y'all, this is post
Speaker 1: iron Man, right, I mean we were small list so
Speaker 1: long we were we were the MCU was ongoing right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it started before that. It started before Sam Raii's
Speaker 4: before Sam Raimi Spider Man, and it ends right after
Speaker 4: the beginning of the MCU. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do love or She's like, well, who would
Speaker 1: want to kill me? And Clark's like, okay, well that
Speaker 1: like half second of like oh my gosh from Tom Well,
Speaker 1: like it's a great, great moment there. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, you can stay at a friend's apartment
Speaker 1: they won't mind. And I was like, what what friends
Speaker 1: apartment is she gonna be in? Like I don't I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think, and I'm like, oh, it's the talent
Speaker 1: because again, we built that set town in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three or whenever we first saw that set. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna use all these sets all we can. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go on a three hour ride to Smallville.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they couldn't just redress some of
Speaker 4: these sets. I just find because it's it's not like
Speaker 4: it's not like the Talent apartment is so rich and
Speaker 4: complex that they can't do anything with it. It's like,
Speaker 4: move some furniture around block, get differently and say that
Speaker 4: this is an apartment in Metropolis. But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's this sort of like they want
Speaker 4: to keep reminding you of Smallville, and it's like, we understand,
Speaker 4: we understand you guys didn't want to change the title.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't have anyway, because I mean, it just wouldn't
Speaker 4: make sense at this point. There's really no need to
Speaker 4: constantly be reminding us of Smallville. Lois already calls him
Speaker 4: that every episode that's about.
Speaker 3: To say you know that the switches that the meaning
Speaker 3: of Smallville goes from the place to meaning him exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like, instead of naming the show Clark Kent, we
Speaker 3: call it Smallville, you know his nicknames. That's the legacy
Speaker 3: that that show takes on because it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's him. And Yeah, to your point, that goes back
Speaker 3: to what I was saying earlier about certain characters even
Speaker 3: even settings that outweigh or outlast what they're needed. And
Speaker 3: we were at a point now where from season eight on,
Speaker 3: like they had to find a way to get back
Speaker 3: to Smallville. And Zach, I know you and I had
Speaker 3: this conversation. You've had it with a lot of people.
Speaker 3: The distance between Atropolis and small vill keeps shrinking and
Speaker 3: shrinking and shrinking, Like it was like a three hour drive,
Speaker 3: you know. Now it's just like a ten to fifteen
Speaker 3: minute commute, maybe thirty maybe thirty. No one will be
Speaker 3: looking for you in Smallville. I just that was a
Speaker 3: funny line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, creating that Like what was that like that
Speaker 4: train or that let that rail from what they're still
Speaker 4: using that right or was that exclusively for season.
Speaker 1: They've they've mentioned with the trade down like they've mentioned that,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that's it.
Speaker 4: All they had to say was that all literally literally
Speaker 4: one episode, you have Lex donating a lot of money
Speaker 4: for a big project that could get you from small
Speaker 4: Villa metropolis in ninety minutes. That at least I'll accept that,
Speaker 4: or an hour, I'll accept that at least. But it's
Speaker 4: just sort of, you know, you just sort of has
Speaker 4: to accept the fact that apparently these people really really
Speaker 4: enjoy a nice long ride to work in the morning.
Speaker 4: You start early, leave at three am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right, but hey, who is that the
Speaker 1: talent apartment? I guess Clark didn't check with anybody before
Speaker 1: sending Kat Grant there. Because Oliver is there just going
Speaker 1: through stuff. He sees this picture of Chloe, the selfie
Speaker 1: of her in like bed. I'm like, when was this
Speaker 1: cake in? Right?
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, like that was a weird self was
Speaker 3: one of those? Maybe maybe she sent him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice for her to leave that there for him, though,
Speaker 1: I thank you.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting she printed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she also leaves this bottle, like this empty bottle.
Speaker 1: What could it be? We'll find out later. But Oliver
Speaker 1: he hears he hears somebody coming in, So he ducks
Speaker 1: out and Cat Grant comes in. She's got the classic
Speaker 1: grocery bag of a you know, a loaf of bread
Speaker 1: and a and a piece of lettuce. Every that's every
Speaker 1: Hollywood grocery bag. Just love that. Look here's the deal,
Speaker 1: Cat Grant. She's kind of annoy right, and she's pretty
Speaker 1: anti you know, quote unquote vigilanti. She even had like
Speaker 1: a newspaper article about like the green arrow was like
Speaker 1: the mean arrow in her old newspaper. That was pretty funny, right,
Speaker 1: So she turns around who she see but the mean
Speaker 1: narrow himself. I'm like, I guess Oliver stashes green arrow
Speaker 1: gear with him when.
Speaker 3: He my My biggest quote was wow, that was a
Speaker 3: fast change. Like he changed faster than like Superman, Like
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, he's he's in full I'm just like,
Speaker 3: you know, the jacket, the shirt, the jeans. Then like
Speaker 3: he hears a sound boom, full green arrow costume.
Speaker 4: Like David Spade and Tommy Boy on the airplane. If
Speaker 4: anyone gets you, anyone gets you that reference. He walks
Speaker 4: into the bathroom wearing one thing, comes out wearing a
Speaker 4: different thing in about two seconds.
Speaker 1: I mean it would have been more since that he
Speaker 1: was just already in the green arrow costume. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess he's Oliver. He has a right to be
Speaker 1: there already. But whatever, but she just she pulls out
Speaker 1: like a pepper spray and a taser and an air horny.
Speaker 1: He just defeats one after the other. That was a
Speaker 1: rather amusing exchange, and he's I'm not doing it for
Speaker 1: the moody. The voice changer's back. I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the voice changer on him, Darler.
Speaker 1: They're really whiting it, hope. Though when restored it was
Speaker 1: like this, I know, I feel like it was a
Speaker 1: little bit like this, and all of his voices like this,
Speaker 1: and it's like, guys, there's there's almost no point in doing.
Speaker 1: And now she has eyewitness testimony that vigilantis have been
Speaker 1: torturing people in the brewery by the docks, and on
Speaker 1: her BlackBerry, he said, shoot that, and he takes a
Speaker 1: BlackBerry and he disappears and does the whole Batman thing.
Speaker 1: So that's what that feels like. But that this is
Speaker 1: a crucial clue actually for Oliver because this is where
Speaker 1: he was. He was the person being tortured down by
Speaker 1: the found by the docks.
Speaker 4: Right, and then in the in the dank warehouse or
Speaker 4: whatever with the chains all over the place.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 3: You know, the other think it's funny when they talk
Speaker 3: about Vigilannes in the shadows, and.
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's their whole point, that's the idea. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just like when we committee.
Speaker 3: Like, why are you wearing a mask? That's the whole point.
Speaker 3: Like so you don't know who I am? Like, have
Speaker 3: we not ever read a book or watched a movie?
Speaker 3: Here a show or something like? Do they not exist
Speaker 3: in this world?
Speaker 1: War Angel? People?
Speaker 3: People know exactly what I say, Warrior Angel, Like, why
Speaker 3: did Warrior Angel hide his identity?
Speaker 4: Yeah? The classic, the classic of secret identity thing has
Speaker 4: definitely been kind of scrubbed away from from superhero media
Speaker 4: for for a bit now, And there was like a
Speaker 4: period of time where you almost got frustrated with it.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh God, why you just tell people? And
Speaker 4: then now we're on the flip side of that, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, now now they're kind of it's like the boys,
Speaker 4: like they're more like in the universe, they're more like
Speaker 4: celebrities as opposed to you know, superheroes who are just
Speaker 4: doing this because it's right.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's you effect, I think, because there's you
Speaker 1: and I'm one of those people. John, I'm like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I please bring back secret identities. There's there's so much
Speaker 1: fun story potential, so much of the whimsy of these
Speaker 1: characters comes. It's built in.
Speaker 4: It's built in conflict. It's right there. Yeah, Like, well, narratively,
Speaker 4: you have a conflict right there you can.
Speaker 1: Use because we can all relate to that. Not that
Speaker 1: like we have these double lives and we're off saving
Speaker 1: the world, right, But it's like because things that I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to protect my secret identity.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: But it's like you have a confide, you have something
Speaker 1: you want to do, something you need to do, and
Speaker 1: you always like I gotta do what I need to
Speaker 1: do and you can't do what you want to do
Speaker 1: and you can, like you know, relate, teaches you like
Speaker 1: responsibility and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Speaking of secret identities, we find out the cat
Speaker 1: Grant it's not her real name.
Speaker 3: Tyler, Nope, Mary Louise.
Speaker 4: Sure, she looks like a Mary Louis. She looks like
Speaker 4: a Mary Louise. I'll buy it.
Speaker 1: I looked that up and I was like, I couldn't
Speaker 1: find any precedent for.
Speaker 3: That, So that's how they work around that. She's Cat
Speaker 3: but she's not Cat.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what she just took that lady's name
Speaker 1: from the TV. I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess if I was being hunted, I would change
Speaker 3: my name to Zach Moore. There you go, There you go,
Speaker 3: talks about Superman. Must be the same guy, not the
Speaker 3: one for the podcast.
Speaker 1: But Clark's down He's down there looking at personal files
Speaker 1: on the Daily Planet and hard copy like not on
Speaker 1: the computer, but I guess it's twenty eleven, so sure whatever.
Speaker 3: That's how he had to get to find out her
Speaker 3: name was changed her digital files.
Speaker 1: But Tess is down there and she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: for to have a lot in common, Like, oh, I
Speaker 1: get it because the secrets and you know, sure, there's
Speaker 1: still this interesting like Clark still doesn't really like and
Speaker 1: trust tests and she keeps wanting him to trust her,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't really blame Clark because she's been
Speaker 1: some shady stuff for a couple of years.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, because every time she every time she helps,
Speaker 4: she'll help with something that's great, and then he'll find
Speaker 4: out two other things about her. Hey, he'll find out
Speaker 4: that in helping him she did something very sinister duplicit is,
Speaker 4: or she'll he'll find out another thing like he was.
Speaker 4: She was helping him, but she left out some information,
Speaker 4: so it was lying by omission. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of trust issues, stretching back to
Speaker 4: his first boyfriend, Lex the So I mean, I get it.
Speaker 4: I mean, Tests is it's the thing is, it's just
Speaker 4: her nature and that's kind of that's her arc this
Speaker 4: season is the part of her that's looser and the
Speaker 4: part of her that wants to be something else. I
Speaker 4: mean that goes back to Lex in the first few seasons.
Speaker 4: But when they did it with with with Tests with Cassidy,
Speaker 4: it it fortunately to me at least, didn't feel like
Speaker 4: they were just treading old ground. I felt like her
Speaker 4: relationship with Clark was very interesting and you understood why
Speaker 4: she for her. I feel like if Clark fully trusted her,
Speaker 4: she'd finally feel as though, maybe not full redemption, but
Speaker 4: she'd actually you know, feel like he's atoning for for
Speaker 4: all of her, for a lot of her evil actions.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, when you become desperate for something, you then
Speaker 4: start doing you know, desperate things. So when she does that,
Speaker 4: then it shows her darker side again. So every time
Speaker 4: she gets a little bit ahead, she gets knocked back
Speaker 4: a few steps.
Speaker 1: But she she's always willing to help Clark to kind
Speaker 1: of proof for you know, Willing needs to be one
Speaker 1: of the good guys right now, right, and that's that's
Speaker 1: what that's what we're going for now. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny Clark, men, She's like, something's going on with
Speaker 1: Cat Like you're speaking suspicious phone calls and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: these suspicious phone calls going to go. They're not like
Speaker 1: her son, for guys, it's just funny that that's the
Speaker 1: first place he goes, right, But he goes in and say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, her car got blown up today and the
Speaker 1: explosion was caused by a bullet launched perfectly in the
Speaker 1: combustion chamber. It's graved. The letters that you can see
Speaker 1: are AAR N T, which could potentially be catrant and
Speaker 1: they could also potentially be Clark can't. But Tess has
Speaker 1: seen this work before and she I loved for her
Speaker 1: old her old Apple computer on her desk like that
Speaker 1: that takes me back when like I like I think
Speaker 1: it was like coffee shops I used to go to
Speaker 1: had those kind of computers to use and like the
Speaker 1: giant white ivacs. Anyway, she pulls up FBI five most
Speaker 1: funted fugitives like this basic Microsoft painto Graphic website. Dead
Speaker 1: Shot pulls them up right, makes sense. The test with
Speaker 1: being the chickmate world, you know, she knows about these
Speaker 1: kinds of thing. Check me. Could never I d him,
Speaker 1: but they just called him dead Shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dead Shot. He's right up there with Bin Laden
Speaker 4: and Hannibal Lecter on the on the top five.
Speaker 1: Shot. So occasionally I'll alter it if I can't really
Speaker 1: hear something, I'll you know, turned on the subtitles of
Speaker 1: rewind and look again. So I did that with this
Speaker 1: episode for a couple of times, and they have to
Speaker 1: be on for this this scene. It says dead Shot
Speaker 1: Southern accent but for dead Shot, which should we laugh?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: This dead Shot he's played by Bradley Striker, and I
Speaker 1: guess him and Justin Harley hit it off because he
Speaker 1: was most recently in an episode of Tracker, so he's
Speaker 1: you guests started in that. He was in an episode
Speaker 1: of Arrow, So he was in an episode.
Speaker 4: Of fringeisode Fringe Classic not appreciated enough.
Speaker 1: Love Fringe It's It's it's half the length of the
Speaker 1: X Files, and even better.
Speaker 4: So because it actually ends, and it actually gives a propert.
Speaker 1: Closer to their arc and payoff for all the I
Speaker 1: highly recommend French, could not recommend enough. But I just
Speaker 1: wanted to call that out. I thought it was interesting
Speaker 1: that he's, you know, he's still hardworking actor day and
Speaker 1: he was on Tracker with Justin Harley recently.
Speaker 3: So throw he was also in Supernatural.
Speaker 1: There you go, Supernatural.
Speaker 4: Everyone was Supernatural exactly. Even I was in Supernatural at
Speaker 4: some point. I mean, every every every everybody's been on
Speaker 4: that show.
Speaker 1: So this establishes the dead shot didn't know that Clark
Speaker 1: Kent was bulletproof. But again, what so why would you
Speaker 1: blow up a car if you're trying to Mark Clark.
Speaker 1: I mean, to your point, Tyler just makes no.
Speaker 3: Sense once you find I mean, we're gonna get a
Speaker 3: line here later. I want to bring this up right
Speaker 3: now about Kat. You know, Adam her son, and they
Speaker 3: had to take her from his dad. Wouldn't have been
Speaker 3: better if just Floyd was Adam's dad or something? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, like he's after her for
Speaker 3: his son, you know.
Speaker 1: That's all. That's the whole thing dead Shot, his backstory
Speaker 1: and his daughter, right yeah, so I mean they can
Speaker 1: a child whoever, right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm just saying like they could have made something
Speaker 3: or like the dad had hired him or something. I
Speaker 3: don't know, because, like I said, once you figure it
Speaker 3: out that it's Clark he's after and he's there to
Speaker 3: marking and we don't really see like he's testing Clark
Speaker 3: or he's trying to like figure out his powers or anything,
Speaker 3: then you're just kind of like the what.
Speaker 2: Was all this?
Speaker 1: Like dead Shot needs to be his own one off episode.
Speaker 1: You call it dead Shot and it's a guy trying
Speaker 1: to get Clark and then eventually makes a krypt Night
Speaker 1: bullet or something like. That's what you do.
Speaker 4: Like he's just running the who's running Checkmate? Or the
Speaker 4: suicide squad? Right now? Who's Rick Flagg answering to do?
Speaker 4: They ever? That's it. It's just he's just he's the top.
Speaker 1: Dog and then.
Speaker 4: In charge, right yeah sure, yeah, but it's it would
Speaker 4: have been interesting as if we found out that, yeah,
Speaker 4: like if we had done if they had done something
Speaker 4: like that, and Flag had you know, had lied and
Speaker 4: manipulated Floyd saying, hey, you know this that and the
Speaker 4: other thing is happening, and you know your kid this that,
Speaker 4: and then just manipulates him into into trying to kill
Speaker 4: Clark or whatever insane thing that they were trying to do.
Speaker 4: Because at least that goes to just how how ruthless
Speaker 4: and unscrupulous Checkmate or suicide squad is that that they
Speaker 4: would use his vulnerabilities against him to make him want
Speaker 4: to have a little bit more of a dog in
Speaker 4: the fight, because he's just kind of like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: a part of the suicide squad, I'm going to do this.
Speaker 4: I'm going to do that. I'm the bad guy. And
Speaker 4: if you gave him, if you know, he gave him
Speaker 4: a little bit more agency, and you actually gave him
Speaker 4: a little bit more stake in it, then his desire
Speaker 4: to kill one or both of them, it makes him
Speaker 4: more of an an intimidating villain. But as it stands,
Speaker 4: he's just a very strangely dressed henchman who's just been
Speaker 4: unleashed to commit this very strange, convoluted.
Speaker 1: HiT's like a bond villain at this point wed.
Speaker 4: He's kind of there. They should have made him more
Speaker 4: more like Francisco Scaramanga, if they made him more like that,
Speaker 4: like you know, like why not, Like he's he's a
Speaker 4: guy of high society and he likes but he also
Speaker 4: likes to, you know, kill people for a living. That
Speaker 4: would be kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: So this eyepiece he has, I want to say, it's
Speaker 1: the same one the guy from Arrow has his big
Speaker 1: red eye. Fies like it might be the same prop
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's just this probably giant steampunk
Speaker 1: looking red eye Fe's is all kind of the same
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know. But after dead Shot loses
Speaker 1: his eye, and that's the other thing. It's like at
Speaker 1: least Arrow had the balls to like actually bake dead
Speaker 1: Shot and one eyed. You know, that was pretty cool, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, ditch Shot has done significantly better on that.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of things are done significantly better
Speaker 4: than that.
Speaker 1: Season Season ten of Smallville has done better in season
Speaker 1: two of Aarro. Let's just's just so much of these characters, right, Dead,
Speaker 1: death Stroke, dead Shot, you know down the list, right,
Speaker 1: But anyway, that establishes the greater plot with dead Shot.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well all you remember about him is
Speaker 1: this goofy cowboy for no reason. That's all you remember.
Speaker 4: They thought they were doing Jonah Hexts and then they
Speaker 4: realized that they were doing dead Shot, but they already
Speaker 4: made the costume.
Speaker 1: Dude, that was totally I could say my notes on
Speaker 1: like Jonah Hex's question mark because you see, like he
Speaker 1: has a scratch on his face, and I was like,
Speaker 1: is this.
Speaker 5: Like it?
Speaker 3: When did Jonah Hext's movie come out before this?
Speaker 1: So maybe something Yeah, maybe the costume, like hey you
Speaker 1: can use this.
Speaker 4: Maybe they were like through the trash, do you want
Speaker 4: to use it?
Speaker 1: Is Jolin's costume?
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: Maybe they were going to do like he was Jonah
Speaker 3: Hexts and they're like, oh, you can't use that character,
Speaker 3: and they had already like started and like, h We're
Speaker 3: just going to change into dead Shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would make even less sense than dead Shot here though,
Speaker 1: Tyler unfortunately, right, Oh.
Speaker 3: I mean it would. It's twenty ten when that movie
Speaker 3: came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the summer before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe they were so inspired, they were so inspired
Speaker 4: by that masterpiece that character. Bring that yeah, bring that energy.
Speaker 1: You know, some some people some people say Supergirl or
Speaker 1: Batman or Robber are the worst comic movies of all time.
Speaker 1: I say, Jonah Hacks.
Speaker 4: I saw that absolutely. You know, Supergirl and Batman Robin
Speaker 4: have a great charm about them. There's a lot of creativity,
Speaker 4: there's truth, you know what I mean. See, you could
Speaker 4: always find something fun, especially if you're inebriated. It's always
Speaker 4: a blast to watch either of those.
Speaker 1: Even Catwoman has that insane basketball scene.
Speaker 4: You know, it's yeah, it's absolutely I think there's one.
Speaker 1: Of Jonah Hacks other than an interesting point that people
Speaker 1: forget Michael Fassman for Yeah, I was just gonna say
Speaker 1: he's in that John Malcovich.
Speaker 4: You know, it's always good to see John.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of French, and so is uh Jeffrey Dean
Speaker 3: Morgan's and I think.
Speaker 1: That's right, he's that corpse he talks to see Olet
Speaker 1: you watching Hex But no, it really is the worst
Speaker 1: chromic movie of all time. So except for the flash,
Speaker 1: am I right? Anyway, let's move on, mcal we come
Speaker 1: back from commercial and of course Kat Grant has a
Speaker 1: I Believe in Unicorns t shirt, which is like, okay,
Speaker 1: we get it now. It is cute that she's wearing
Speaker 1: this bulletproof vest the whole time. I like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that feels like it would be someone who's
Speaker 3: paranoid after being like found out there's a bullet shot
Speaker 3: and you're scared and being attapped by the green arrow.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's kind of the it's sort of a
Speaker 4: perfect it's sort of like a perfect what do you
Speaker 4: call it, microcosm for her character because she's well, like
Speaker 4: pink and bubbly on the outside, but then she has
Speaker 4: this sort of dark secret. So in this case, she
Speaker 4: has her her bubbly outfits, but she's also wearing kevlar
Speaker 4: underneath it. So yeah, that that definitely works. Every time
Speaker 4: they have a bad idea, they've got something that kind
Speaker 4: of works out fine.
Speaker 1: I also am really impressed by I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's Kloe or Lois or who claims as a part
Speaker 1: of any Mormon, really impressed by their knife set because
Speaker 1: when Kat hears the noise at the door, she pulls
Speaker 1: giant knife. It looks nice knife. You know it's Clark
Speaker 1: and he's here, and he's in his red shirt, blue jacket,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you've seen this outfit a while
Speaker 1: when when he stopped wearing the blue shirt red jacket.
Speaker 1: They took out the red shard blue jacket from the
Speaker 1: rotation too. I don't this very well. Maybe the last
Speaker 1: time we see this combination of clothing, we'll have to
Speaker 1: keep an eye for it. I didn't do a counter
Speaker 1: for this, you know, quote unquote bizarro combination.
Speaker 4: I think you do see it again. I think you do.
Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent positive, but I think there's
Speaker 4: at least one more time.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're wrong, we're gonna laugh at you, John.
Speaker 4: That's fine. That's fine. I laugh at myself every day.
Speaker 1: But it is a wise decision too. When he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, when he goes and throws away the blue
Speaker 1: shirt red jacket, it's like it would make sense to
Speaker 1: not wear this as well. So because he's I really
Speaker 1: liked his I really have really like Clark's wardrobe and
Speaker 1: season nine and ten because he's like wearing normal clothes.
Speaker 1: He's not this silly. And yes, I know the irony
Speaker 1: for me saying this because Superman comes from the com books,
Speaker 1: but he's not the silly cartoon character of a person anymore.
Speaker 1: Wearing the same thing every time. It's funny.
Speaker 3: It is funny because we talked about before, like an
Speaker 3: earlier season where like he'd be like a white T
Speaker 3: shirt with a flannel, a flannel, yeah, around jacket. And
Speaker 3: then there was an episode Zach I was on with
Speaker 3: you we talked about he wore a white shirt with
Speaker 3: like a yellow and black flannel. It's the only time
Speaker 3: we've ever seen wearing yellow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looked good on him too. Yeah, like my, my, my,
Speaker 4: My two passions are film and fashion. I love clothes.
Speaker 4: I have way too much. You're one hundred percent corrects.
Speaker 4: Back in the earlier seasons and even just the previous season,
Speaker 4: they were like, let's see Tom Welling in more than
Speaker 4: one outfits. You have this, you know, you have this
Speaker 4: character who has more than just blue and red. You
Speaker 4: could incorporate gold and yellow and all that, and they
Speaker 4: for some reason just decided to turn him into a
Speaker 4: cartoon character and give because I mean, obviously we know
Speaker 4: that in some season seven and eight it was meant
Speaker 4: to be his proto costume. Yeah, but it's not. It
Speaker 4: was a jacket.
Speaker 1: Least I'm gonna put this when I do superheroes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then that's all he wore, and I'm like
Speaker 4: Is he sleeping in that stuff? Does he just does
Speaker 4: he have like Bulky.
Speaker 1: In every premiere It's like he's always in that, always
Speaker 1: in that costume.
Speaker 4: Either of you seen last action here out with Arnold Schwartze,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah? Is this scene where they go into
Speaker 4: his apartment and he opens up the closet door and
Speaker 4: it's just red shirts, just brown leather jackets, jeans and boots.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, is does that? Is that what Clark has?
Speaker 4: Or is he just very fast at washing the only
Speaker 4: set he has over the.
Speaker 1: Kids bought in bulk when they bought their clothes.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, exactly, he bought in bulk. He found
Speaker 3: what worked. Gonna stick with you.
Speaker 1: The thing was like it was it was like he's
Speaker 1: they started that. I think there might have been one
Speaker 1: instance in season one when it was a different jacket,
Speaker 1: but he's like he kind of had a red jacket
Speaker 1: over a blue shirt or something. And then in season
Speaker 1: two they started to stink that in. It was like
Speaker 1: a really important episode. It's like Insurgents Rosetta, right, It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: big time stuff. But then by the time season four
Speaker 1: came along, I think seasons four through seven literally every
Speaker 1: two or three episodes, and that's why I have that
Speaker 1: counter which is ridiculously high. But I decided it's a
Speaker 1: different blue shirt red jacket than the biker jacket we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about at the end of this episode
Speaker 1: because and that's and that's kind of my problem with
Speaker 1: the biker jacket, because it's kind of the same, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of different. But anyway, enough about his clothes,
Speaker 1: although we consider another hour talking about it.
Speaker 4: I could talk about what looks good on Tom Welling
Speaker 4: all day. I wish the costume designers could have had
Speaker 4: that conversation too.
Speaker 1: Oh it's true. It's true. So uh, Clark starts stalking
Speaker 1: to Cat and we get we get the real backstory
Speaker 1: about like, hey, you know, I had a son running
Speaker 1: away from his father. Things went bad, it changed my name,
Speaker 1: and it's like so she becomes like she becomes more
Speaker 1: sympathetic knowing about like she has some real world stuff
Speaker 1: she's dealing with, and she's not just this like you know,
Speaker 1: you know airhead, you know, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Her son is that her his grandparents, which would be
Speaker 3: her parents. And I guess if I was trying to
Speaker 3: find my child, those were one of the first people
Speaker 3: I would track down.
Speaker 4: Mmming to Sarah Khan mother.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, if it was like well,
Speaker 3: if I can't find my wife or my girlfriend or whatever,
Speaker 3: her parents would probably be a good place to go
Speaker 3: to at least find on information about where she might be. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I've always I always joked with my wife
Speaker 3: we ever had to hide our kids or whatever, Like
Speaker 3: I have some trusted friends who live you know, distance,
Speaker 3: like I would put my kids there because.
Speaker 4: If something that situation ever has to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah exactly. But you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like one of those jokes you're
Speaker 3: watching the show and you're kind of talking about, well,
Speaker 3: if I was doing this, I would be like this.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're apocalypse plan.
Speaker 3: So because like, oh, we'll put them with your parents
Speaker 3: or you know, with my brother. Yeah, the first places
Speaker 3: people would think to look.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the thing that KNT Grant's sort of the
Speaker 4: thing that the character suffers from is that she was
Speaker 4: used as a lynchpin in a story with too many
Speaker 4: disparate storylines, and it just doesn't come together. It doesn't
Speaker 4: gel well together. And I guess considering the character is
Speaker 4: as nuts kind of quirky as she is, and how
Speaker 4: kind of insane the plot is. I guess they figured
Speaker 4: all of this is happening in such a breakneck pace
Speaker 4: that they're kind of expecting you not to ask too
Speaker 4: many questions. I mean, that's a lot of episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's them of a lot of episodes though, and it's
Speaker 4: you know, it's what you do when you love a
Speaker 4: show like this.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that that her parents took her
Speaker 1: son to a safe place that her ex does not
Speaker 1: know where.
Speaker 4: That is.
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna make my assumption. Cabin in the woods,
Speaker 1: Cabin in the woods, say there you go, Nothing bad
Speaker 1: ever happens at a cabin in the woods.
Speaker 3: Nope.
Speaker 4: But it's not the inn that they it's not the
Speaker 4: the bed and breakfast that they all went to last season,
Speaker 4: the McDougall in, Yeah, that's where they ended up going.
Speaker 1: I will say this episode has a little bit of
Speaker 1: a theme going on to it about like relationships and stuff,
Speaker 1: because like obviously it's like the Oliver Chloe things going
Speaker 1: on for Oliver, and you know, without Shaira and Carcter Hall,
Speaker 1: we didn't really I keep I can't believe we keep
Speaker 1: I mean, forgetting what Hawkman's name is. I guess it
Speaker 1: early is.
Speaker 3: Cartar, It's Carter, but like it's like yeah, it's like
Speaker 3: it's like how you pronounce it, like trying to break
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is what we get the reason Shaiir
Speaker 1: we know from Justice League the cartoon because I say
Speaker 1: it all the time, but like, there wasn't Jean Jones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, exactly is Jean. And then he's like John.
Speaker 1: Hawkman and hawk Girl. They have their thing going on.
Speaker 1: And then Clark's here talking because cast's talking about relationships.
Speaker 1: Clark's talking about you know, him and Lois and you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, you find someone, it feels right, but then
Speaker 1: it can feel wrong because you're trying to do something
Speaker 1: for other people. I don't know. They're kind of opening
Speaker 1: up to each other now and it's and it's good.
Speaker 1: It's it's a good bonding moment between them.
Speaker 4: I like it. Yeah, they go very big on The
Speaker 4: relationship theme is very heavy in this, which is what
Speaker 4: makes the Suicide Squad stuff feel very It feels like
Speaker 4: it's being almost jammed into this because you're right, just
Speaker 4: about every other set of characters has something to discuss.
Speaker 4: Oliver and Tess are obviously talking about Oliver and Chloe
Speaker 4: and Oliver and Tests themselves already have a connective tissue
Speaker 4: a former relationship. Then you have Clark and Lewis, you
Speaker 4: have Lois and Carter talking about their significant others. And
Speaker 4: then there's of course a lot of like you know,
Speaker 4: wearing a certain face for certain things, lying by omission
Speaker 4: for protection's sake. There's a there's a lot of that
Speaker 4: going through, and it feels a lot more smooth when
Speaker 4: you're not focusing on the suicide squad stuff. I feel
Speaker 4: like they they they kind of just wanted to jam
Speaker 4: these these things together, and that's why it feels a
Speaker 4: little off like this. You know, there's we have all
Speaker 4: these discussions of relationships, and then you have like Rick Flagg,
Speaker 4: you know, Quasi flirting with Oliver in their little torture
Speaker 4: session at the very ends, like something, oh you were
Speaker 4: you were the only one I couldn't break. I'm like okay,
Speaker 4: and there's chains on the floor and all that. I'm
Speaker 4: like this, this this is starting to get a little weird,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: I gotta say it didn't strike with the rewatching this,
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, there was the low list theury
Speaker 1: C H L O. I s where Chloe was gonna
Speaker 1: come Lois Lane right in course of the show, and
Speaker 1: I when the show was on, I was a thousand
Speaker 1: per cent behind that theory. And I still feel like
Speaker 1: the other should have done that or maybe never had
Speaker 1: Chloe on the show at this point, seeing how the
Speaker 1: character ended up, right, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: they just anyway, they didn't know what to do with her.
Speaker 4: Eh.
Speaker 1: But right here, right here, in this very episode and
Speaker 1: this very scene we're talking about, we have Cat Grant
Speaker 1: saying now I have to hide behind the power of
Speaker 1: the pin and a new name, making sure nobody knows
Speaker 1: who's behind the words unprinting. I'm like, there it is there.
Speaker 1: It is in a show where we got Henry James Olsen.
Speaker 4: They can love doing that. Yeah anyway, Yeah, and there,
Speaker 4: I mean there was that theory for a while that
Speaker 4: Lionel was gonna end up being lex.
Speaker 1: Remember he shaved his head.
Speaker 4: His head got shaved. That's it, I Luthor, that's it.
Speaker 1: So you have to do the prosecution rests case closed absolutely,
Speaker 1: But Clark, hey, he he points out the Cat grant, Hey,
Speaker 1: what you're doing is just like what the Vigilanes are doing,
Speaker 1: and that kind of like hits hers like oh wow,
Speaker 1: so you go now, but she is still kind of
Speaker 1: anti Vigilanti the rest of the season, and she is
Speaker 1: I recall.
Speaker 4: So yeah, anyway, I forgot she's in the rest of
Speaker 4: the season. To be honest with you, I haven't. I
Speaker 4: haven't continued to Supergirl yet.
Speaker 1: There's she's in four episodes of season ten.
Speaker 3: Four okay, because I remember there's some point where she
Speaker 3: has a confrontation with Lois.
Speaker 1: I think that's in the Booster Gold episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched that one last year and for some
Speaker 3: of the don't.
Speaker 1: I know she's in it because she's like, wants to
Speaker 1: be in she wants to be Booster Gold and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait a little lane. So but this is
Speaker 1: a good line for her, and I think this is
Speaker 1: a good line for parents everywhere, single moms as well. Right,
Speaker 1: you know, the world but never see me as some
Speaker 1: big hero. But by Sonwell, oh my god, maybe Sunday
Speaker 1: by son Well. I'm like, yeah, it's a good message.
Speaker 1: You know, she's a goofy person, she's she's she can't.
Speaker 1: She's kind of annoyed to people, but she's doing this
Speaker 1: first sun and I really respect that that resonated with me.
Speaker 4: So even the most irritating people have had some good
Speaker 4: qualities exactly.
Speaker 1: So, uh Clark is a text from test and he's
Speaker 1: gonna run off, and uh Cat's like, hey, whe where
Speaker 1: are you going? Car's like, no, stay here, You'll be safe.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: She looks over to the coat rack of the talent
Speaker 1: and she sees this trench coat and this wig. Does
Speaker 1: this count as Lois's costume closet?
Speaker 3: My friends?
Speaker 1: I guess that's the only reason why that's there, right.
Speaker 3: Because Chloy didn't wear it for anything, Like I always
Speaker 3: forget who's in and out of the apartment, you know,
Speaker 3: But Chloe didn't wear it.
Speaker 4: And but that awful black that the awful black wig
Speaker 4: is a I mean, I guess, God that that wig
Speaker 4: looks like that. It looks like Courtney Cox's hair and
Speaker 4: screamed three. So yeah, it was. It's brutal, and it
Speaker 4: looks awful on her too. I mean, yeah, I guess,
Speaker 4: But I don't recall seeing this hair in the past.
Speaker 4: But considering all the all of the disguises, that she's accumulated.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if she decided, what if I
Speaker 4: want to have the worst hair I've ever had? Imaginable.
Speaker 1: I leave it to the guests, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: we're in alignment. We're calling that Lewis's costing closets, so
Speaker 1: so we're like, what is she gonna do with that?
Speaker 1: But we'll find out shortly. Now we cut back to Africa,
Speaker 1: and I like the look. It's two people sitting in
Speaker 1: a tent drinking, but the direction's pretty cool. I got
Speaker 1: a little three sixty camera around him, bring some dynamic
Speaker 1: stuff to Carter and leis here and she's talking about like, hey,
Speaker 1: like what if are you supposed to make his life
Speaker 1: easier or harder? And you know, like and then she
Speaker 1: guesses that like, oh, they sent you here to make
Speaker 1: sure I was safe, huh and uh. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he worries about you. You know, they don't know that
Speaker 1: you know, he has his powers and anyway, it's this
Speaker 1: is a good scene between them, right and then and
Speaker 1: then we slowly get into the Carter's talking about Shira,
Speaker 1: right and he then he he's waxing poetic about how
Speaker 1: like they would find each other and all this sort
Speaker 1: of thing. It's some good romantic stuff. But then we
Speaker 1: we see his point of view and we see Lois
Speaker 1: and this is the only time we see hawk Girl
Speaker 1: on the Smallville, right we see her turn into Shiira,
Speaker 1: and then Carter goes and gives her a kiss. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I've totally kind of
Speaker 1: forgot about this aspect because shame.
Speaker 4: I totally forgot about that too.
Speaker 3: I did it because I hate it.
Speaker 1: I laughed so much. Oh, I hate it too, but
Speaker 1: I laugh so much about how Lois like dates or
Speaker 1: kisses every single Justice League member on this show, and
Speaker 1: I forgot Hawkman is on the list. So yeah, Tyler,
Speaker 1: tell us your feelings about I just.
Speaker 3: I get how he's caught up and he sees Shaira,
Speaker 3: but I just didn't like it, like because I mean,
Speaker 3: we already have to wrestle with Oh, she dated all
Speaker 3: of her, she dated, she tried to date Ac, and
Speaker 3: now Hawkman's making a move on her. I just would
Speaker 3: have preferred if it was more like because what.
Speaker 4: It is like.
Speaker 3: As we find out, he says later in the episode
Speaker 3: that when he has these kind of omens or premonitions.
Speaker 3: It means that his death is coming soon and that
Speaker 3: he'll soon join her in the afterlife. I just would
Speaker 3: have preferred that kind of thing where he sees her
Speaker 3: and there could have been something from the actors who
Speaker 3: played Hot Girl, like motioning her hand or like a smile,
Speaker 3: and that's it, Like he's like he's looking past Lois
Speaker 3: or he's looking and he sees her. I just I
Speaker 3: just really think that the whole kiss thing just kind
Speaker 3: of it almost tainted the scene and tainted what they
Speaker 3: had built up in this camaraderie, because like he really
Speaker 3: was someone that she could lean into to understand what
Speaker 3: she's going through. Yeah, and I feel like it just
Speaker 3: it just kind of undercut a lot of it.
Speaker 1: So well then well then later like feels kind of
Speaker 1: weird because he's like, I trust we're gonna keep last
Speaker 1: night a secret, and I was like, yeah, I'm like
Speaker 1: that sounds.
Speaker 4: Wrong, Like, yeah, I didn't like the dialogue there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was not like going full on the defense of it.
Speaker 4: It was the thing that was able to get me
Speaker 4: kind of through the first part of that was they've
Speaker 4: they've been drinking, you know, the two of them are
Speaker 4: having they're drinking, They're being very vulnerable. They're talking about
Speaker 4: the love of their lives. They're talking about this and that,
Speaker 4: and when you're drunk. The fact that they were able
Speaker 4: to kind of the fact that they will talk about
Speaker 4: that deep stuff and not get you know, and not
Speaker 4: get overly emotional. I get the feeling that it was
Speaker 4: And I'm not really don't want this to sound like
Speaker 4: he was drunk, so it's okay, because you know they were.
Speaker 4: They were both very inebriated. He and he was talking
Speaker 4: on the love of his life, and I think it
Speaker 4: was basically a hallucination. They really don't feel like it
Speaker 4: was him, you know, going after Lois per se because I, yeah,
Speaker 4: it wasn't necessary. I think that they could have done
Speaker 4: something a little maybe even a little funnier, like his
Speaker 4: eyes start to kind of glaze like he's about to
Speaker 4: pass out and he leans for kids, and then she
Speaker 4: just gives him a well right across the face and
Speaker 4: you know it says, wake up something like that instead
Speaker 4: of because I agree like they they kind of had
Speaker 4: her work through too many members of the Justice League,
Speaker 4: and I did, like, I really liked their camaraderie. They
Speaker 4: almost felt like they were gearing up for a buddy
Speaker 4: cop story with having their Marion and Bellock drinking in
Speaker 4: the tent. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: I like the idea that his love for Shaira is
Speaker 3: so strong that no, like, even through drinking and everything,
Speaker 3: he would know that's not her.
Speaker 4: They he would certainly hope, so.
Speaker 3: You know, and like he wouldn't even have the impulse,
Speaker 3: he would just like. I like the idea that he
Speaker 3: sees her and he knows what's coming, and it's kind
Speaker 3: of I would have liked her, honestly. I would have
Speaker 3: liked that he sees Shaira and he kind of like
Speaker 3: some sort of facial expression or something like maybe he
Speaker 3: closes his eyes and kind of shakes in and takes
Speaker 3: a drink, and he doesn't tell Lois that when this happens,
Speaker 3: he knows he's gonna die, so we as the audience
Speaker 3: can interpret it as like some sort of like an
Speaker 3: omen or a calling or something like that's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: because then, of course, you know, later on things do happen.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I just think it could have
Speaker 3: been done better. It's my one knock, like real big knock.
Speaker 4: On the episode they dangle Lois too much as they
Speaker 4: they dangle her too much as like as a prize
Speaker 4: sometimes and it's like everybody and everybody's trying to get
Speaker 4: lowist and all that. It's like, you know, she portrays
Speaker 4: she's desirable all on her own. It's not necessary for
Speaker 4: everyone around for all these characters to remind us that
Speaker 4: she's desirable. You don't need every superhero to try and
Speaker 4: woo her and date her and you know, come on
Speaker 4: to her like that. It's it's not necessary. I think
Speaker 4: it's just one of those things that originally they did
Speaker 4: that so often because you know, they were leaning heavier
Speaker 4: into the CW drama here, it just kind of felt
Speaker 4: like it was just kind of thrown in there for
Speaker 4: the hell of it. It wasn't really necessary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Honestly, my favorite part of the whole scene is
Speaker 1: right before that, because he's telling a super romantic story
Speaker 1: about an evil man killed us both and like lo
Speaker 1: was a vental Savage, was it, Curtis Knox. No, But
Speaker 1: they don't tie the together here in this in this
Speaker 1: year we have not on Earth one sixty seven. But
Speaker 1: he tells a super romantic story about how their their
Speaker 1: love was so strong they found each other through attorney
Speaker 1: and Lows is like, that's a terrible story. That's pretty
Speaker 1: fad that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: And then of course when he kiss her and she's
Speaker 1: like trying to get in the next thing, you'll be
Speaker 1: kissing as.
Speaker 4: My fist, I was like, goodf you was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm glad that they had that in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She walks off and he's like, but, like we all said,
Speaker 1: it's because he's truly seeing his visions his wife. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: but like but it's just the the overall optics and
Speaker 1: vibe of him. But it's like, yeah, we could have
Speaker 1: done Dicky, we could have done without.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have cut it like in post like
Speaker 3: how like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like you could have cut around that, But then you
Speaker 1: had the follow up scene we'll talk about last story now,
Speaker 1: which is awesome. I really don't like.
Speaker 3: I don't like that even more so anyway, it's like sending, hey, hey, buddy,
Speaker 3: you're my best pal. Will you go check on my
Speaker 3: girl for me? Make sure? She said sure, bro, then
Speaker 3: you come back. Yeah, bro, I kissed her, But what.
Speaker 4: How does you know? You're just like, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: the reason why he said he's going to die soon.
Speaker 4: Is if Clark found out, he certainly would.
Speaker 1: So we cut to the Daily Planet and it's, uh,
Speaker 1: Clark are writing because Tess had texted him. He's like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for doing that. Test is like, I don't want
Speaker 1: your things, I want your trust, and he's like, eh,
Speaker 1: like he's still it's I agree with him, like I do.
Speaker 1: Like how she's not just immediately, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: also kind of make sure tragic character they don't like. Look,
Speaker 1: eventually she's at the bachelorette party and they're watching Dancing
Speaker 1: Elvis and they're watching home video. Yeah, hooking up with
Speaker 1: doctor Hamilton, right, talk about there must be two second
Speaker 1: doctor Hamilton. Uh, that's why they called him doctor Emil
Speaker 1: most of the time.
Speaker 4: Doctor. Like he's like, it's like what it's like what
Speaker 4: a kid calls their their pediatrician doctor.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't call them by their last name. They
Speaker 4: called them by their first name.
Speaker 1: So funny. It's yeah, really entitle of them. Conductor.
Speaker 4: We're going to doctor Emil today.
Speaker 1: Tessa, you know, had some lab work done and she
Speaker 1: she turns around her CSI bullet recreation and it expands
Speaker 1: from what we thought was Cat Grant And they pull
Speaker 1: out the bullet and the letters say Clark Kent. The
Speaker 1: target is me yep, so I guess our assass was
Speaker 1: themver after Hello Kitty. That's a pretty funny line because
Speaker 1: Test is picking up those those kinds of dialogue. So,
Speaker 1: but they're trying to figure out, like what's the point
Speaker 1: of this, like if they're so yeah, like yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: but they determine like, okay, well maybe they didn't know
Speaker 1: that you were bulletproof, and now he does what are
Speaker 1: they gonna do? This guy never gives up, that's his
Speaker 1: m O. And so like, well, if they know that
Speaker 1: you're faster than bully, it's the only place to aim
Speaker 1: is that someone he knows you'll save. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: but why did he blow up Cat Grant's car?
Speaker 4: Like there's other people to choose other than her. She's
Speaker 4: not the one. She's not she's not the lynch pin there,
Speaker 4: She's not the one I would be like, now that's
Speaker 4: the one that's really gonna lure him out of the shadows.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, Oas is gone and Chloe's gone, and Lana's gone,
Speaker 1: I mean who else is there? Right? His parents are gone?
Speaker 1: So uh, the new character we just introduced this episode
Speaker 1: is a logical choice. But apparently test lowjacked cat because
Speaker 1: Clark's I gotta get back to small Ville and chuck
Speaker 1: on her and test is like, it's too late. Our
Speaker 1: kitten reporters on the move, and we see this little
Speaker 1: cat grant like name tag moving to the Tropolis bus station,
Speaker 1: not the Smallville bus station, Metropolis bus station. So did
Speaker 1: she how did she get there? Her car got blown up?
Speaker 1: She's in Smallville, which is three hours away, but she's
Speaker 1: in the Metropolis bus station.
Speaker 4: Guys, well it's just outside the city. So was.
Speaker 1: It not night just then? And now it's day?
Speaker 4: When?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was night?
Speaker 1: What day is it? What time is it? Tyler helped me.
Speaker 4: They walked to Metropolis. They they walked in there. You
Speaker 4: go that it only took it. It only took a
Speaker 4: couple of days with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was night when he left her and told
Speaker 3: her to stay and then at the bus stations during
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 1: But then we could have this cool high noon showdown
Speaker 1: with dead shot. Though I let you better as a blonde.
Speaker 3: It would have worked better if they had done it
Speaker 3: like that sunrise type thing, like she's getting on the
Speaker 3: bus at sunrise, you have that sunrise and you have
Speaker 3: the cowboy walking out spurs and all, I.
Speaker 1: Think, what they tried to do here, Tyler. But then
Speaker 1: it just it's so weird that he's this cowboy cosplayer,
Speaker 1: because like it was weird enough and he was on
Speaker 1: his own, but now he just like in a normal environment.
Speaker 1: It's like if you just walk through an airport and
Speaker 1: there's a dude dressed up as a Viking, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? It's so strange.
Speaker 4: The Western motif is ridiculous, especially in like, you know,
Speaker 4: like Tyler said, like if you were to at least
Speaker 4: like kind of film it in a way that sort
Speaker 4: of gives credence to him even dressing up like this
Speaker 4: first place, doing a you know, a high noon or
Speaker 4: something like that, by just playing into it. But they
Speaker 4: don't play into it. It's just this is the guy's
Speaker 4: shtick and he does not care.
Speaker 1: She pleads with him about It's like, hey, I have
Speaker 1: a son. He's two years old. Is that Matt? He'll
Speaker 1: move on three or four years from now. He wanted
Speaker 1: to remember your face. I was like, what do we
Speaker 1: talk of? Dead shot? He's got kids, that's his whole thing,
Speaker 1: and you just.
Speaker 3: Thought, yeah, he should have been like that should have
Speaker 3: been his weak spot, or for you would have said then,
Speaker 3: like it ain't really about you, lady. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it should. It could have given him pause,
Speaker 4: even if that was just a little bit for the character,
Speaker 4: it could have made him stop for a second, and
Speaker 4: for those who know the character, you'd understand why or
Speaker 4: if forbid, they actually did their character work and showed
Speaker 4: that that was one of his motivations. That could have
Speaker 4: been an interesting moment.
Speaker 1: Well, what a weird statement here. He's like, people about
Speaker 1: to die always think that the special loved one won't
Speaker 1: be able to go on without them, but they always do.
Speaker 1: And it's like wow, Like what he's trying to speak
Speaker 1: harsh truth to Cat Grant, Like what do we even
Speaker 1: in a better constructed episode? This is like Lois and
Speaker 1: like Clark and Hurt kind of on the rocks, and
Speaker 1: this kind of helps reinforce their relationship. And right, what
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, but this is this is nothing like
Speaker 1: but but in Cat Grant's like I realized that some
Speaker 1: people are just born dead. I'm like, well, because he's
Speaker 1: dead shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the whole, like the villains doing the whole?
Speaker 4: Do you want to know what the way people are
Speaker 4: before they died? It's so overdone. I think everyone wants
Speaker 4: to do the Heath Ledger joker, you know, do you
Speaker 4: want to know which of them were cowards? You know?
Speaker 4: Like I feel like so many villains love doing the
Speaker 4: do you know why? You know? In their last moments,
Speaker 4: in their last seconds and all that that kind of
Speaker 4: extra stuff. So many so many writers think that they're
Speaker 4: writing something really really sharp for a villain to say
Speaker 4: about people in their last moments, and a lot of
Speaker 4: times it just comes off as, you know, trying to
Speaker 4: write something cool for a bad guy to say, as
Speaker 4: opposed to it actually having any sort of weight or meaning.
Speaker 1: And then his whole plan was to chase her into
Speaker 1: this I don't know alleyway, and then Clark would catch
Speaker 1: up and get hit by Like I just like, it's
Speaker 1: this very elaborate plan, right.
Speaker 3: It feels like two episodes smashed together, Like, yeah, has
Speaker 3: it just been a suicide squad based episode? You would
Speaker 3: have done a lot more character work and a lot
Speaker 3: more to really build this up, you know. I think
Speaker 3: it was cool that he got her where he wanted her.
Speaker 3: That's kind of neat. But then the fact that he
Speaker 3: said Clark's gonna happen to show up to save her
Speaker 3: there when you don't even know if Clark would find
Speaker 3: her in time.
Speaker 1: Well, like how would he know that she was going
Speaker 1: to be this bus station? Anyway, This is like a
Speaker 1: spur of the moment's decision. You know, he's got this
Speaker 1: whole like gun set up. He's he's it's kind of lame,
Speaker 1: se he dead shot. He's like a cell phone to
Speaker 1: like launch a other gun. That's O. Don't Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of lamb, But hey, I really liked Clark super
Speaker 1: speeding up to him and punching him. This is like,
Speaker 1: this is like straight up George Reeves action here when
Speaker 1: the last time he Superman punched normal people like this
Speaker 1: in the face.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker 3: I was like, he punched him. I'm like, that's cool.
Speaker 3: He's gonna pull back and you know, not do anything physical.
Speaker 4: You know, it's usually like holding them up by one
Speaker 4: hand to be threatening or you know, knocking them out
Speaker 4: of the way, and it's like you know, during super
Speaker 4: Speed in a way that they won't be able to
Speaker 4: see him but yeah, seeing seeing Tom just wail on
Speaker 4: somebody's great because he's a big guy. So when you
Speaker 4: see him like really deck somebody across the face, he
Speaker 4: looks like a superhero.
Speaker 1: Well, and I love the shop where he's like running
Speaker 1: and the bullets there. I love whenever Smubble does this
Speaker 1: like faster than the speeding bullet and the technology was
Speaker 1: finally here. Right, So he's running and then he glances
Speaker 1: his shoulder and he sees it full and he reaches
Speaker 1: out in front of it and he catches it, and
Speaker 1: so that's badass. And then yes, he races up the cat,
Speaker 1: puts her on the ground, acting like that, oh she
Speaker 1: got shot, but he, you know, was just there to
Speaker 1: help her, and then puts the bullet on her bulletproof vest.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's great. It was very clever and cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah she's like, oh, I have a saved by my
Speaker 1: bulletproof vest.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like the idea that it was sort of
Speaker 4: like normally on your average show, if somebody gets shot,
Speaker 4: oh no, they're you know, they're dead. Then they get
Speaker 4: up and pull the shirt open and it's the and
Speaker 4: it's Kevlaar underneath. But in this I like how the
Speaker 4: bulletproovest probably was not going to save her, so so
Speaker 4: for her the usual twist ending of I had a
Speaker 4: vest the whole time, you know, that's what saved the day.
Speaker 4: But in actuality, Clark was just smart enough to be like,
Speaker 4: this will be the fastest way for her not to
Speaker 4: think that anything else happened.
Speaker 1: Up save Yeah, for sure. And this is like it's
Speaker 1: a cute scene between the two of them. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that was so brave. And I don't know, like Kat
Speaker 1: Grant traditionally has like a crush on Clark Kin. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they ever really do that that much
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lowis and Clark, she had a crush on everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes she did. Like you know, that's about real
Speaker 3: flesh and blood heroes like you, Clark, and you're my hero.
Speaker 1: And they inspire people to stand out into the light, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean that's another thing. I feel like they definitely
Speaker 4: felt like there's a lot of thematic stuff that they're
Speaker 4: they're they're trying to pack in here, but I think
Speaker 4: it's it's the convoluted storytelling that kind of lets it
Speaker 4: down a bit. But yeah, that's there are themes that
Speaker 4: they're just sort of like at the very end of something,
Speaker 4: they'll be like, well, this is what this was about,
Speaker 4: just to remind you if you weren't, if you weren't
Speaker 4: following along.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like a I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: know about the Godzilla movies.
Speaker 3: Right, but oh have you have you ever heard of
Speaker 3: my son? Oh yeah, the Godzilla Fan got's own Godzilla podcast?
Speaker 1: Oh really sent like so like obviously Godzilla started was
Speaker 1: this metaphor for nuclear energy and war and all the
Speaker 1: sort of thing, and it's a lot of anything. Godzilla
Speaker 1: minus one is really brought that back, and yeah, life
Speaker 1: while Godzilla Fan I've seen all the I think all
Speaker 1: Zilla minus one is the greatest gods of the movie.
Speaker 1: Like legit, I'm one of those people who's like the
Speaker 1: newest thing is the best thing. It really, it's true
Speaker 1: this time. It's true this time. And that's not a
Speaker 1: slight thing of the other ones. I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: this is perfection. My point is that a lot of
Speaker 1: those old movies, like when they is the series went
Speaker 1: along the movie series like they would kind of like
Speaker 1: lose the message, but the end of the end, they'd
Speaker 1: be like a group of people watching this island blow up,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, that just goes to show you that,
Speaker 1: you know, we all must work together to stop a
Speaker 1: nuclear catastrophe in the world today. I'm like, guys, you
Speaker 1: can't just wedge that into the end. And you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: John that that really does feel like what they're doing here,
Speaker 1: because you're talking about the light and the darkness. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's dark side stuff, and that's your whole like plot,
Speaker 1: like you gotta store the light and you just speak
Speaker 1: extinguished and they're trying to I mean, credit to them
Speaker 1: for trying to set it up here, but doesn't fit
Speaker 1: here at all. So this episode is just a big
Speaker 1: missmash of all kinds of stuff to set up this season.
Speaker 1: So it's an unenviable task, you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Exit to do that. The second episode of the second
Speaker 4: episode of any series is rough, especially if you have
Speaker 4: a big season premiere, and especially if it's your final season,
Speaker 4: because I mean, The X Files is something I always
Speaker 4: think of because they would always start their seasons with
Speaker 4: a banger. They would always start their seasons with like
Speaker 4: it's appointment television, you got to see it, And then
Speaker 4: the second episode it was always interesting. It would either
Speaker 4: be something that would blow your mind, it would be
Speaker 4: you know, a one off, it would you know, it'd
Speaker 4: be something really rich and exciting, and then sometimes it
Speaker 4: would fall a little flat and it would deflate it
Speaker 4: a little bit. And so with with Smallville, I feel
Speaker 4: like this was the last season. They wanted to get
Speaker 4: a lot of things up and running, and they and
Speaker 4: this episode almost was like a sacrificial lamb. They're like, well,
Speaker 4: we need to get a lot of things started, so
Speaker 4: we'll just start a lot of them here and then
Speaker 4: we'll iron everything out of the next you know, the
Speaker 4: next half season. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you got to do that. That's just
Speaker 1: the nature of the network TV back in the day, right,
Speaker 1: and had a lot of sacrificeing.
Speaker 4: Episode had a lot of pros and cons.
Speaker 1: I mean people say, like, you know, serialized TV is
Speaker 1: the way to go. I'm like, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: kind of like how everything you know in the old days,
Speaker 1: like there was a beginning, middle, and end to stories.
Speaker 1: You're not watching chapter five of eight and he's like,
Speaker 1: wea go a week till it's a LOWERD really appreciated man.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, I'd rather like appreciate it.
Speaker 1: While I'm watching it, I'm just saying, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the show gets good during the last two episodes. Well,
Speaker 4: I don't watch it.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get through the first season and then you'll
Speaker 3: really love it.
Speaker 4: It's a bit of a lit's some work there.
Speaker 1: But hey. At the end of the scene, after cat
Speaker 1: Grant inspires Clark to make his new costume we'll talk
Speaker 1: about in a second, we pan around the back of
Speaker 1: Clark and we zoom into his shoulder and we do
Speaker 1: the CSI zoom in and we see that his dermal
Speaker 1: structure has been marked by this skull and bones logo,
Speaker 1: which is is that the Suicide Squad logo?
Speaker 4: I was going to ask that I don't recall. I've
Speaker 4: never seen this logo outside of this episode. That's why
Speaker 4: it's confused.
Speaker 1: No, it's like a pirate logo or something. I was
Speaker 1: just like, okay, like Checkmate had a logo, fine, but
Speaker 1: the Suicide Squad, I've never seen him have a logo
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm not that well versed in Suicide Squad
Speaker 3: like old comments or anything like this.
Speaker 4: Like it just so I don't know but yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't think we saw it in either. I don't think
Speaker 4: we saw it in either of the films.
Speaker 1: I can't there was like there was a skull because
Speaker 1: like so it's like that's not like this is a logo,
Speaker 1: like that was just like yeah, suic Squad death right
Speaker 1: there it is.
Speaker 4: But this is branding. Yeah, this is branding.
Speaker 1: This is Brandon as Maclis episode. But this is branding. Yes, there.
Speaker 4: You got one in. I appreciate that you're at least
Speaker 4: able to get one in than.
Speaker 1: I really, I'm really careful about that stuff. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: just the jokes right themselves.
Speaker 4: So you got you gotta laugh, John, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm gonna cry, So I choose to laugh.
Speaker 4: So it's either a comedy or a tragedy, that's right.
Speaker 1: So we get this montage of the Justice leaguers who
Speaker 1: we have in this episode of getting marked by the
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad plastique. We see her fiery eyes give Carter
Speaker 1: Hall some water and that water splashes on his face
Speaker 1: and and he gets marked. I assume Alcaman and all
Speaker 1: those other guys and girls are getting marked off screen
Speaker 1: right now, Black Canary and everybody else. Then we have
Speaker 1: this scene that we kind of referenced earlier Johnny were
Speaker 1: talking about when Rick Flagg gets all kind of weird
Speaker 1: with Oliver. He's like, we had a bond, we had
Speaker 1: something special, Like what is what is this?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: But they have this standoff they basically Rick Flagg. By
Speaker 1: the way, Rick Flagg played by Ted Witsall, who was
Speaker 1: in Power. Yeah, he's and he's in uh, the Suicide
Speaker 1: Squad movie he plays.
Speaker 3: He's in Suicide Squad.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, let me rephrase he's in the first Suicide
Speaker 1: Squade Squad.
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta be careful with those phrases.
Speaker 1: Oh man. He apparently was in an episode of the
Speaker 1: Taken TV show, and I love those Taken movies, but
Speaker 1: I can never watch the show because Liam Neeson is
Speaker 1: the appeal of taking.
Speaker 4: Not exactly, it's the whole reason you watch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't watch it for what, Let's strike those Kurt, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. I want to watch Liam Neeson. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch all his other terrible direct video movies because
Speaker 1: I like him doing things that he should not be doing.
Speaker 1: That's why I like the takena.
Speaker 4: And Brian Mills isn't exactly Jason Bourne or James Bond.
Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't have anything distinctive about it.
Speaker 1: It takes him thirty seven cuts to jump over a fence,
Speaker 1: but he's anyway. Ted Witzhall's Rick Flag here offers all
Speaker 1: over a place on the suicide squad like, hey, we
Speaker 1: can use you, right. He also says everybody thinks they're dead,
Speaker 1: so like Oliver was like, oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: And then he pulls out his crossbow to shoot him,
Speaker 1: and then he gets shot by the bullet that the
Speaker 1: same dead shot bullet that marks him. Like this whole
Speaker 1: thing about the dead shot bullet. Who cares because all
Speaker 1: the other characters are also marking their heroes, So you do.
Speaker 3: Like I said, Carter was water, he literally takes the
Speaker 3: water and he's like sh all slow motion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we see that little skull and crossbones. Now he's
Speaker 1: got Rick Flag in the leg with his little crossbone,
Speaker 1: and then you know, he starts beating him up. Where's
Speaker 1: they say she took a sidin Eyede pill because she
Speaker 1: did a prisoner exchange for you and her and she
Speaker 1: didn't give anybody up and she didn't break and she's
Speaker 1: dead and I'm like, what I'd totally forgotten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely forgot about that too. I just look
Speaker 4: at it as he's he's just lying to get under
Speaker 4: his skin. I mean, I know that they turned low
Speaker 4: Chloe into a superhero him set herself, but I don't
Speaker 4: recall her taking a side eye pill and then finding
Speaker 4: out later on that she's somehow what happened.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't understand, because like because Oliver's like
Speaker 1: he finds this medicine that she took before she took
Speaker 1: the cyanide, because there's excited night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on twenty four. How they how they every time
Speaker 4: they kill off a character like oh, he slowed his
Speaker 4: heart rate down to just the right amount when no
Speaker 4: one knew he was alive. They used that so often
Speaker 4: in action and science fiction.
Speaker 1: I'm just so sick of like they did this with
Speaker 1: Lana and Chloe multiple times, like oh they're dead. Oh
Speaker 1: they fake their death. They're not, They're really dead, they're
Speaker 1: out there. I'm like, I'm kind of this is played out.
Speaker 1: It's played out with both of them, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's another plot. The only the only reason we're doing
Speaker 1: this because Alison Mack was not on every episode. The season,
Speaker 1: we had to write her off somehow, and it just
Speaker 1: feels like, Okay, once we get rid of all this
Speaker 1: business out of the way, we can really get to
Speaker 1: the to the season at hand. But this just feels
Speaker 1: like they got to clean up all this off.
Speaker 4: Just the prisoner transfer was good enough. The prisoner she's
Speaker 4: been black bagged, and she's been put in a car.
Speaker 4: If you put a character in a black bag and
Speaker 4: in a car, you can just they have been written
Speaker 4: off and you'll figure out when you bring them back.
Speaker 4: There's no need for anything else.
Speaker 1: And the suicide squad is using her to be their it,
Speaker 1: their IT person, and then you know that's what she's
Speaker 1: been doing this whole time, to save all of her
Speaker 1: I'm like you, I'm like, fine, don't know this whole
Speaker 1: fake deak stuff. But then at least this dramatics quote
Speaker 1: unquote dramatic scene between Clark and Oliver and the watchtower
Speaker 1: and all the lights are off and there's there's thunder
Speaker 1: outside for some reason to kind of add to the mood.
Speaker 1: And Oliver's mad about everything. He's mad that Clark Letchoy
Speaker 1: run off, and you know, and Clark.
Speaker 4: He's angry at it. He's always angry at Clark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just that this is you know, I thought
Speaker 1: you guys were in a good place. But Oliver's like,
Speaker 1: I found this in her apartment and it's it's anti said,
Speaker 1: and she faked her own death, and uh, okay, sure fine.
Speaker 1: But then Oliver's like, all these people are gone. The
Speaker 1: woman you loved is gone, the woman I love is gone.
Speaker 1: We protect people so we can come home to people
Speaker 1: we love, and they're all gone. And maybe we shouldn't
Speaker 1: have secret identities. And I'm not sure that's the conclusion
Speaker 1: I would have come to from all these events, not
Speaker 1: having secret identities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't seem like maybe more like maybe we
Speaker 3: shouldn't do what we do.
Speaker 4: Like it's a very roundabout way of trying to get
Speaker 4: back to that theme, Like they're really trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: the bullet going through all of those weird things and
Speaker 4: all that. That's the plot of the show. It's desperately
Speaker 4: trying to find its way through everything and kind of
Speaker 4: make its point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And I also I talk about played out Clark and
Speaker 4: Oliver shouting at each other at this point kind of
Speaker 4: already got out as well, Like there's a brief moment.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's in season eight or nine
Speaker 4: where they're on the plane and they have like this
Speaker 4: back and forth that's very funny where Clark talks about
Speaker 4: quote unquote his father and Oliver's like, wait, so which
Speaker 4: father is? This is someone that's like the recording in
Speaker 4: the alien technology in the North Pole, And it's like
Speaker 4: they have such a funny, fun dynamic. It would have
Speaker 4: been nice to have more episodes whether the two of
Speaker 4: them were on the same page and doing the same thing,
Speaker 4: But it's always why didn't you tell me, Oliver? And
Speaker 4: then Oliver's like, well, I can't tell you anything, Clark,
Speaker 4: because this then the you don't have the guts to
Speaker 4: do this, And I'm like, I'm so bored you guys
Speaker 4: keep having this argument.
Speaker 3: Clark's wearing his blue on blue, you know.
Speaker 1: He is, He's I like the blue on blue. I've
Speaker 1: always liked that for him because it's it's not normal
Speaker 1: people that for some reason that looks has such a
Speaker 1: different vibe than blue on red or vice versa. Just
Speaker 1: the blue on blue now red on red would be gaudy.
Speaker 1: I thank god they never did that.
Speaker 4: That's a bit.
Speaker 3: This is empower Rangers, right.
Speaker 1: Exactly right, you know this mood this moody scene ends
Speaker 1: between Clark and Oliver, and then we cut to some
Speaker 1: prison cell somewhere and Break Flag is either infiltrated him
Speaker 1: as a security guard and he's got Plastic with him
Speaker 1: and they let out dead shot and he's like about
Speaker 1: time and Plastic is like, oh, how do I say,
Speaker 1: bite me and cage in or whatever? I don't know
Speaker 1: what she says. Jessica Parker Kennedy clearly had not taken
Speaker 1: that acting class yet that she took before she got
Speaker 1: on The Flash. She's as bad. I just I was
Speaker 1: so shocked. As I've seen her on The Flash years later.
Speaker 1: I remember her being a good actress, but she she was.
Speaker 3: On what was that pirate show, Black Flag, Black Sales,
Speaker 3: Black Sails. Yeah, she was on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know she's she's yeah, she's kind of chewing
Speaker 4: on that dialogue a little too much, because the dialogue
Speaker 4: itself is already corny and campy, and so adding on
Speaker 4: that extra layer of it just becomes way too much.
Speaker 4: And I feel like there was she she was doing
Speaker 4: the whole like I'm going to be the the sassy
Speaker 4: spark plug of the group, and I'm gonna on the
Speaker 4: wise ass and that those are those characters are fun.
Speaker 4: But if they're over if they're overplayed, then it just
Speaker 4: feels like someone trying to puff out their chest and
Speaker 4: look tougher than they actually are. When this character, I
Speaker 4: feel like it's supposed to come off as like you're
Speaker 4: genuinely supposed to believe that, you know, like she's nasty
Speaker 4: and she'll you know, she'll go after her own you know,
Speaker 4: she'll go after her own partners if she had to,
Speaker 4: if she was if she was pissed off. But I
Speaker 4: don't get that vibe from her. She comes off a
Speaker 4: lot more as as playing dress up.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, but hey, once we spring wyatt rp here,
Speaker 1: we can start tracking her cost like she.
Speaker 4: Would even know who wyatt earp is. I'm sorry, girl,
Speaker 4: that age has no idea who the hell wyatt earp is? Please,
Speaker 4: she wasn't she Probably she probably didn't even know who
Speaker 4: Clint Eastwood was at that point, so there were you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. Maybe you're right, Maybe maybe
Speaker 4: she was a Tombstone fan. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: That's a great movie, But they all walk out of
Speaker 1: the prison together, and Rick Flagg has to say, let's
Speaker 1: give these boys a taste of what it's like to
Speaker 1: mess with the suicide Squad. I'm like, mess with the
Speaker 1: suicide Squad. They have done nothing to you. You were
Speaker 1: the one I don't understand, Like, I guess Oliver shot you,
Speaker 1: but I guess that's it's but that's because you kidnapped him,
Speaker 1: Like I don't, like I am convinced by the way,
Speaker 1: and I know he said this last week like the
Speaker 1: end of the most disappointing follow up from Salvation was
Speaker 1: that they're not Kendorian right because clearly, yeah, lying around,
Speaker 1: we're like gonna be parademons, right because it's dark sided.
Speaker 1: And then somebody said, hey, we don't have the budget
Speaker 1: for that, Like, I guess we'll just make them the
Speaker 1: suicide Squad, but make them the lamest version of the
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad ever, And that's what we haven't smaveled. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's rough. I really don't care about
Speaker 1: these characters, and fortunately they're not. They don't play that
Speaker 1: big of a role. But then we wrap up in
Speaker 1: U Africa and uh Lois and Carter are gonna never
Speaker 1: tell Clark about their kissed the night before and just
Speaker 1: the way again, the way they phrased it is kind
Speaker 1: of really weird. But she's like, oh, that book was
Speaker 1: an autobiography, you're immortal and you're a hawkman and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And then he explains how him seeing his
Speaker 1: wife and Lois means he's going to die soon. So that, again,
Speaker 1: that kind of explanation made that kind of thing okay,
Speaker 1: but we all still are on the same page. An
Speaker 1: I won't really you could, didn't need to do that.
Speaker 1: But then we get we get our Meetschee reference. Right,
Speaker 1: call him back to season one the Suberman.
Speaker 4: Behold the Superman Man is something to be overcome?
Speaker 1: Does Chloe say Superman in the series finale?
Speaker 4: Yes, and that was the day the boy became Superman? Right,
Speaker 4: Isn't that that's she's telling her story to baby Oliver.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like that that's the that's the only time
Speaker 3: Superman has really said properly yeahs an finale. Everything else
Speaker 3: is always reference to the quote, which is just translating.
Speaker 4: Because apparently every every one of these kids know who
Speaker 4: needs you is? Kansas is very cultured, I guess so yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So Carter's like, you gotta you're his Shiraloe, she gotta
Speaker 1: go back to Clark. And she says this line out
Speaker 1: of context, my future is here in Africa.
Speaker 4: Until next episode?
Speaker 1: What off they just say my features are in Africa?
Speaker 4: I never but I just don't believe that at all.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that she's found anything there that feels
Speaker 4: like it's her calling. It just feels like she's there
Speaker 4: and this story is happening, and she's probably gonna come
Speaker 4: back soon. So I don't know why they're putting that
Speaker 4: kind of false drama in there that she's never coming back.
Speaker 4: I get the hell out of here.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, also, Chloe's do dead all right or whatever?
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, like this is ther non sustainable things.
Speaker 3: They'd be like if she would have said something like,
Speaker 3: but my future is here in Africa, like you know,
Speaker 3: kind of like a question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not certain.
Speaker 1: That's what's so hilarious about you, Like, my future is
Speaker 1: here in Africa? All right?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: Now are we to think of this conversation? Is why
Speaker 1: she names Clark Superman because we never see that these
Speaker 1: are all the things that we'll get there, y'all. Jeris
Speaker 1: Fonelly like, Oh, these are all kind of milestones I
Speaker 1: thought we were going to see but we never saw.
Speaker 1: And so like this is as close as we get
Speaker 1: to Lois thinking, oh, yeah, he's a Superman.
Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean, it's definitely the evidence is there because
Speaker 3: because the conversation and she knows that he knows about
Speaker 3: Clark's powers and stuff, so Clark is kind of being referenced.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be that she had in her mind,
Speaker 4: like she's waiting for him, and maybe it was just
Speaker 4: something that in her head she was just thinking. Then eventually,
Speaker 4: once he finally you know, came out of the superhero
Speaker 4: closet as it were, then it just sort of dawned
Speaker 4: on her, kind of similar to Margot Kidder, where she's
Speaker 4: just sort of like thinking and then it just kind
Speaker 4: of comes to her. And so it might be something
Speaker 4: that's in the back super mind at that end, what
Speaker 4: a Superman? Now?
Speaker 1: There was one deleted scene in this episode, and I
Speaker 1: believe they might have intercut it with Clark walking out
Speaker 1: of the shadows. Is the Blur or the new the
Speaker 1: New Look Blur. It's Lois in Africa and she's looking
Speaker 1: up flights out of Cairo on her phone, and then
Speaker 1: she she's packing up and she's the Isis necklace gets
Speaker 1: in her stuff somehow that kind of explains why she
Speaker 1: has it. Later, I'm like, oh, okay, good job Carter
Speaker 1: Hall protecting those artifacts.
Speaker 4: But then she kind of like customs, Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: what if they get the hands out and then.
Speaker 1: They're on the Daily Planet private jet.
Speaker 3: No they're not.
Speaker 1: She wrote a cameo for eleven hours allegedly out there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is kind of like I can see
Speaker 1: them intercutting these because it'd be weird to cut from
Speaker 1: like Lois packing up to Clark walking out. Soide, I
Speaker 1: feel like they would intercut these is you know a
Speaker 1: smavel often did a montage at the end, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: because then Lois is like a slow motion like walk
Speaker 1: out of the tent she was in, and that would
Speaker 1: have fit what's going on with Clark here. So there
Speaker 1: you go. Check out that deleted scene on the WHME
Speaker 1: video releases. But we get it here. We get Clark
Speaker 1: slowly walking out of the shadows on the roof of
Speaker 1: the Daily Planet. I guess on all else is up there.
Speaker 1: He feels confident about walking out there in his new
Speaker 1: leather jacket, a very popular look. I see people wear
Speaker 1: the Sick conventions all the time. Tyler, I believe you
Speaker 1: have this leather jack there is you can't see what
Speaker 1: He's just showed his holding of his red leather jacket.
Speaker 1: Let's discuss. I am a huge fan of the black
Speaker 1: look from season nine. I love the trench code. It's
Speaker 1: like a cape. It's an evolution of what he had.
Speaker 1: Tyler also has the action figure. I was like, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna defend this look. I'm sure you are trying to.
Speaker 1: I just felt like this is to me, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a half step back because it's a red jacket
Speaker 1: and a blue shirt to me, and it's very constraining
Speaker 1: because it's his motorcycle jacket. Please you like this jacket.
Speaker 1: Tell us what you like about it.
Speaker 3: What I like about it. It's not perfect, But what
Speaker 3: I like about is they finally put him in a
Speaker 3: costume that's more identified for him, because, like you know,
Speaker 3: one thing is like every Superman has their own symbol,
Speaker 3: and we talked about that before. How they took they
Speaker 3: kind of you know, forced in the Superman Returned stuff,
Speaker 3: and this kind of felt We're like, okay, we're kind
Speaker 3: of giving him his own identity and look, and he's
Speaker 3: always been you know, blue shirt, red jacket, so now
Speaker 3: he's wearing a red jacket with his family symbol, his
Speaker 3: symbol on it. Yes, I like the black look, but
Speaker 3: that was supposed to be like you know, him in
Speaker 3: the dark and cutting his humanity, and he looked candorian.
Speaker 3: I do like it does kind of bug me, Like
Speaker 3: it is he is just wearing this jacket with jeans
Speaker 3: and like biker boots. So it's like kind of a
Speaker 3: mixture of what he wore in season nine and what
Speaker 3: he wears now. And I just I just like it
Speaker 3: because it was finally him and his own kind of
Speaker 3: Superman costume. They could have done it better. It could
Speaker 3: have been a little bit you know, there could have
Speaker 3: been some things with it, could be more color on it,
Speaker 3: because I always hate when people post pictures of like
Speaker 3: Tom Welling and Superman photos. They always like put him
Speaker 3: on a wrong costume or try to make a costume.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you could just put him in this
Speaker 3: in you know, standing the different.
Speaker 1: Superman like I would like of them. I'm like, either
Speaker 1: put him in a put him in the season nine costume,
Speaker 1: put him in this or put him in the last
Speaker 1: shot of the show, but don't, for God's sake, don't
Speaker 1: put him don't use a photo shot from two thousand
Speaker 1: and six of him in the Super Returns costume. That's
Speaker 1: what I see half the time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm just like, just use like a shot
Speaker 3: from like him here, because like it it just for
Speaker 3: me was something because like you look at the costuming
Speaker 3: for all the other characters, they're all like jackets and hoodies,
Speaker 3: and you know that's kind of the motif of everyone
Speaker 3: has like a hood and a jacket. So like, you know,
Speaker 3: this jacket it worked, and I just liked it because
Speaker 3: it was finally him and like something with his family
Speaker 3: crest that's you know, more colorful.
Speaker 1: Did Martha make this you think?
Speaker 3: Or I don't think we ever touch on it, like
Speaker 3: because I know like later in an episode that they're
Speaker 3: trying to put a hood on it and stuff and
Speaker 3: he just like rips it off and stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, because it's like, oh, hey, if I was Clark
Speaker 1: and like, hey, mom, Darrell took that really cool costume
Speaker 1: you made, could you make another one? I'll just wear that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But because Derell's at the Super Returns costume to the Fortress.
Speaker 1: He has to wear this. I will say this shot,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty epic shot. Right. It is him on
Speaker 1: the roof of the Daily Planet, American flag flapping behind him, right,
Speaker 1: very very classic Superman there and truth justice in the
Speaker 1: American way and it kind of looks like a cape
Speaker 1: flapping behind him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great, a great American iconography.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And one way, I feel like this this jacket's like
Speaker 3: too late, you know, like I get that or eight, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because like you know, it's especially him stepping in the light,
Speaker 3: but still like he doesn't really allow anyone to see him.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the disconnect. That's the disconnect, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's like he's wearing this and like you know,
Speaker 3: season eight would have been good where he's doing more
Speaker 3: because it takes place at that It takes because I
Speaker 3: mean the jacket's not used that much in this season.
Speaker 1: No, it really isn't you know what? We keep an eye.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have a counter for that.
Speaker 4: What do you guys think it's the last season? You
Speaker 4: might as well.
Speaker 1: I haven't added a counter for a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What what should I call this by biker jacket or
Speaker 1: what do you guys want? What do you say we're
Speaker 1: going to decide right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, biker jacket sounds flacker jackets. I usually refer to
Speaker 4: those jackets as a moto jacket, and it means that
Speaker 4: it means the same thing.
Speaker 1: Red leather jacket, red leather jackets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the red the super jacket.
Speaker 1: Red red, kind of like red leather jacket. Maybe do
Speaker 1: it red rolls off the tongue more than biker jacket.
Speaker 3: You said he retired his proto costume, and it would
Speaker 3: have been cool to see him wear this more than
Speaker 3: because he was doing stuff and like as the blur
Speaker 3: and stuff. And I think it would have been much
Speaker 3: better because here I feel like, you know, the trench
Speaker 3: coat gave that appearance of the cape and he was
Speaker 3: running around in black, and here it's like he just
Speaker 3: wore he's wearing a jacket with jeans, but still no
Speaker 3: one's seeing him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Still I don't think we see him go burning
Speaker 1: the s everywhere anymore, do we?
Speaker 4: I think that's done with Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just feel I feel like there could have been
Speaker 3: more to this reveal, like why he decides to finally
Speaker 3: because you know, put on his own suit after you
Speaker 3: because it's a nice kind of adjustment if you look
Speaker 3: at what he was wearing last season and what that represented,
Speaker 3: and there had been something like conversation between him and
Speaker 3: Oliver that he wanted to step up and actually have
Speaker 3: a suit kind of you know, because he hadn't worn
Speaker 3: one until season nine. What he created so for this
Speaker 3: to come out and be his big jacket, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I like it because it gave him
Speaker 3: his own Superman identity in a way compared to just
Speaker 3: taking on the Superman returns. Do I wish they would
Speaker 3: have done some things differently, but it is what it
Speaker 3: is now.
Speaker 1: So well, John, what are your thoughts overall on THEO
Speaker 1: on the red leather jacket as we're gonna call it
Speaker 1: now officially?
Speaker 4: I agree that I loved the black costume in season nine.
Speaker 4: It just made sense thematically from what he was going
Speaker 4: through and the fact that you know, he's facing off
Speaker 4: with the Candorians the whole season, possibly you know, and
Speaker 4: possibly you know, joining with them or facing off with
Speaker 4: and the fact that they all kind of are wearing
Speaker 4: black and black jackets, so it feels almost like he's like,
Speaker 4: it really does feel like he's stuck between two worlds
Speaker 4: because he had because he seems almost like he's dressing
Speaker 4: like the Candorians, but he obviously is sort of like
Speaker 4: Earth's protector. So I really like I liked that. I
Speaker 4: think it definitely worked for that season. Him sort of
Speaker 4: being quote unquote killed off at the end of the
Speaker 4: season was a perfect way of phasing out that costume
Speaker 4: because Zod killed that Clark for all intents and purposes
Speaker 4: and getting back to the blue and red. I really
Speaker 4: get the feeling this was like I almost feel like
Speaker 4: this was done by committee, like they were all trying
Speaker 4: to find a way to get him to a red
Speaker 4: and blue costume, to get him out of the shadows again,
Speaker 4: but they weren't quite sure how far they wanted to
Speaker 4: go with it and how much they wanted to pull back.
Speaker 4: I think the jack the jacket itself, I wish it
Speaker 4: was cut differently. I actually wish it was a little
Speaker 4: bit more of like a traditional moto jacket, kind of
Speaker 4: like what Barlon Brando wore and street car named Desire
Speaker 4: or something or not the streetcar the wild Ones. That's
Speaker 4: what I meant. Something I don't know, because at least
Speaker 4: it'll have a little bit more character to it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I mean I mean, the jacket is fine as is,
Speaker 4: but I think just kind of it being just zipped
Speaker 4: up straight and then occasionally hanging open, and it occasionally
Speaker 4: zipped up all the way. It really makes it very casual.
Speaker 1: As I recall, most of the time we see him
Speaker 1: with it, it's it's open, I feel exactly. So you
Speaker 1: can see that blue shirt, yeah, doing superhero stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like even the back of the figure box right here,
Speaker 3: like it's half zipped, so you see the blue.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like this was done by committee, and I
Speaker 4: feel like this was the most comfortable that they were
Speaker 4: able to settle on. Tom was definitely in the room
Speaker 4: figure with them when they were figuring out what he
Speaker 4: was going to wear, and so I just think it's
Speaker 4: one of those cases where they would like push a
Speaker 4: little forward to something a little bit more radical, and
Speaker 4: then we're like, no, no, Like I know, we're in
Speaker 4: the last season, but we need to pull back. We can't,
Speaker 4: you know. So I feel like this was the kind
Speaker 4: ofybrid that we got the you know, he got the
Speaker 4: jeans and the boots like he's still on the farm,
Speaker 4: and the T shirt and red jacket remind us of
Speaker 4: the way he was before the black outfit. Yeah, you know, so,
Speaker 4: like overall, I think it's fine. He doesn't wear it
Speaker 4: very much. He didn't you know, he doesn't wear it
Speaker 4: very much. If he was wearing it every episode, I
Speaker 4: don't know where my opinion would have gone, because I
Speaker 4: you know, I think as it stands, I think it
Speaker 4: works as a it works as a costume. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: that's really Yeah, so it's it doesn't bother me. I'm
Speaker 4: not in love with it, but I don't hate it.
Speaker 4: I just think that it was something that was I
Speaker 4: feel like it was almost like politically created, is the
Speaker 4: best way I can put it, where everyone had kind
Speaker 4: of a stake in what it should look like, and
Speaker 4: this is ultimately the compromise that we got.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna keep track and find out how many
Speaker 1: times Clark wears the red leather jacket. And last thing
Speaker 1: I'll say about the scene, he just kind of drops
Speaker 1: that plane ticket into the street. I mean, I it's
Speaker 1: kind of littering for one also to get her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like we're gonna decoculate the costs on that are
Speaker 1: I'm playing ticket to Africa, not shape for a cover.
Speaker 4: Port making a lot of money as a reporter. Probably
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 3: Think got Oliver Queen is a friend. The private used
Speaker 3: his super brain and memorize's credit card number. He's like,
Speaker 3: Oliver will understand.
Speaker 1: I get the symbolism of him, like dropping that ticket.
Speaker 1: Where's like, I'm gonna let that go the whole all
Speaker 1: these conversations like hey, I respect Lois and she wants
Speaker 1: her space, going to give to her that kind of thing, right,
Speaker 1: and he just lets that ticket float. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't like, I don't know, man like. But this is
Speaker 1: why I think the juxtaposition. I think of them editing
Speaker 1: to get her. That deleted scene of Lois like him
Speaker 1: letting go but her coming home like that that would
Speaker 1: have fit together. Well that's why that's I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was the case, but I assume that might
Speaker 1: have been what they were going for. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just see she drops that ticket. But it's a great
Speaker 1: shot of him. Whenever the season ten sizzle reels, this
Speaker 1: is one of those images they use of him standing
Speaker 1: on the roof of the Daily Planet. I would have
Speaker 1: loved to shot like this in the series finale, if
Speaker 1: him in a Superman costume. But selav.
Speaker 4: What up.
Speaker 6: A very street echanti boy, they said, he wanted.
Speaker 3: Very So what about you matter?
Speaker 4: Supermad?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: And what if my soulmate comes along and I'm too
Speaker 3: blind to see it.
Speaker 2: Just follow your heart and you'll always do the right thing.
Speaker 4: A magic.
Speaker 3: Past my what needs your quirk? What about what we
Speaker 3: need to man need?
Speaker 1: O sandcakes?
Speaker 2: This?
Speaker 4: He said? Who are you?
Speaker 1: Lois? Lois Lie greats?
Speaker 3: Hello, It's just swim.
Speaker 1: And you're more than just a hero.
Speaker 2: They're superhero.
Speaker 6: Give me a nerd with glasses any day of the week.
Speaker 1: Whatsome, Something dark is coming.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be like you have never been tested before.
Speaker 3: I know my destiny.
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Speaker 4: That's great to say it.
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Speaker 1: Shield got a seven point nine out of ten on IMDb,
Speaker 1: and Douglas Trumble from the Superman homepage gave it a
Speaker 1: two point five out of five and just to read
Speaker 1: a little bit of what he said here, because I
Speaker 1: think he sums it up nicely. Let's call it a
Speaker 1: two point five worth watching for the introductions and the
Speaker 1: costume reveal, but nothing you will hate yourself for if
Speaker 1: you miss it. Well, pretty fair summary, I think there, Douglas.
Speaker 1: But I guys on the letter grade scale E to F,
Speaker 1: what would you give Shield John, Let's start with you.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it a solid C. I can't and
Speaker 4: there's not enough to elevate it to a B. But
Speaker 4: I don't think it's offensive enough to drop to a
Speaker 4: D or an F. I think it's quite It's funny.
Speaker 4: Everything feels middle of the ground with this episode, Like
Speaker 4: everything down there, even Douglas literally did a two point
Speaker 4: five out of five. I think it just simply comes
Speaker 4: down to everything, even down to the jacket is they
Speaker 4: kind of had to compromise and make certain creative decisions
Speaker 4: a certain way to get things done in a certain way.
Speaker 4: So they did a lot of a lot of hard groundwork.
Speaker 4: So I feel like with all the work that they
Speaker 4: did in this episode, it will at least help some
Speaker 4: of the story threads that are going to be moving
Speaker 4: forward after this episode. So yeah, I mean I'd give
Speaker 4: it a solid C.
Speaker 3: What about you, Tyler, I'm with him. I'm gonna a
Speaker 3: C plug just because my highlights for this is minus
Speaker 3: the kiss, I love the lowest and Carter stuff. I
Speaker 3: think that should have been a big focus. The jacket
Speaker 3: reveal is cool just because it is, like I said,
Speaker 3: stepping out and trying to do something and with the
Speaker 3: character got a great car safe you know that's in
Speaker 3: the in the bullet catch scene are exciting, but you
Speaker 3: know they're trying to hype it up with the suicide
Speaker 3: Squass didn't really do it for me. We've already talked
Speaker 3: about that. So, like it is just kind of like
Speaker 3: there's a lot in this episode, but nothing's really paying off.
Speaker 3: I think the way they intended, like the cyanide, the
Speaker 3: anti the antidote, the suicide squad character introductions, the tension
Speaker 3: of oh they're being marked, it all just kind of
Speaker 3: feels like it fell kind of flat. And then of
Speaker 3: course you know they're like cat Grint and then you're
Speaker 3: like oh sweet. Then you meet it and you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: what is this? But yeah, see C plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna go C plus as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of feels like, oh, they're that low. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is like I think we're all
Speaker 1: smart guys here, and I don't think that suicide squad
Speaker 1: plot added up at all. And I just think that's
Speaker 1: a major problem. Hey, you know what, I would have
Speaker 1: tagged Oliver when I had it enkidnapped. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: I tacked Oliver throwing that out there. It's just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think we missed anything.
Speaker 3: I just think it's like if if I would pitch
Speaker 3: this to you, like on paper. Like In the next
Speaker 3: episode of Small vill Lois meets Carter Hall, the suicide
Speaker 3: squad introduced Cat Grant comes to the Daily Planet, and
Speaker 3: Clark reveals his new costume that sounds amazing.
Speaker 1: The Wikipedia summary of this episode is A plus. Uh,
Speaker 1: the actual episode is a C plus, but no, John's
Speaker 1: gonna eve to see. Tyler's giving it a C plus
Speaker 1: and I am also giving it a C plus. That
Speaker 1: brings us to the tally board. We have an episode
Speaker 1: title some episode plus one because Clark when he's talking
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna be their shield to whoever close the
Speaker 1: shield act their shield, and it was it's funny because
Speaker 1: in my head I always associated shield with oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the new costume. That's shield on the but it has nothing.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought it was too. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: I thought that was called.
Speaker 1: I would have thought they would have never said shield
Speaker 1: and been like, oh, that's why it's called shield. No,
Speaker 1: they actually say shield. So that brings us to eighty two.
Speaker 1: So far, we have a plus one for Lois's costume
Speaker 1: closet because Kat finds that stuff on the coat rack
Speaker 1: and uses it. That brings us to nineteen. And finally
Speaker 1: we have red leather jacket. Plus one is the debut.
Speaker 1: We talked about it in depth, and we're gonna keep
Speaker 1: track of how often he wears this. We'll see if
Speaker 1: it's even double digit. I'm really curious because I feel
Speaker 1: like he doesn't wear that often in season ten, for
Speaker 1: all his hoopla about his big new costume.
Speaker 4: Because when I think about that, when I think about
Speaker 4: him in that I only think of two scenes. I
Speaker 4: think of him on the roof and I think of
Speaker 4: him during the funeral, like that's it. Those are the
Speaker 4: only times that mentally I could mind you, it's been
Speaker 4: years since I watched this season. It's more than that.
Speaker 3: But and then the one I think of is when
Speaker 3: HiT's him and horor like in the nightclub.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the size nightclub or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then there's the part where I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's the same meths are different, where they're like
Speaker 3: we talked about earlier there but trying to put the
Speaker 3: hood on it, and he's like with Lois and it's
Speaker 3: not working.
Speaker 1: He's a Jonathan's grave with its coming. And then I
Speaker 1: think he wears it in Patriot with ackamand and with
Speaker 1: John McCain death stroke. I know where's it there?
Speaker 3: But what if we just named every what if we
Speaker 3: just named him six of them?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll find out. I look, if the
Speaker 1: over under is ten, I'm taking the under taking the under.
Speaker 1: This will be a fun one. I didn't even this
Speaker 1: is great. We gotta do category.
Speaker 4: I agree with you on that one. I agree with
Speaker 4: you on that one. I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Tyler?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say under?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like I paid attention, like they're
Speaker 3: you know, you always did the Bechtel tests and there
Speaker 3: are no two female characters that actually talk to each other.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's the last. That's the last. Catea go
Speaker 1: here bechel tests fail. I mean the cat grant never
Speaker 1: talks to tests and Lois is an Africo. So but
Speaker 1: Lois will be back and hopefully we'll start passing the
Speaker 1: test again.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was interesting that no two females
Speaker 3: ever talk to each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need more females on the suicide squad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's another female who didn't talk to other females.
Speaker 4: You literally had four female characters on this and this
Speaker 4: episode and none of them spoke to each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a fail.
Speaker 1: But y'all, this conversation has not been a fiel a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Thanks for taking the time to talk
Speaker 1: about Shield with me. John. If people want to find
Speaker 1: you out there on the internet, or if you want
Speaker 1: them to find you.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, if you want to. I don't really
Speaker 4: have anything up right now. I just have my Instagram
Speaker 4: and it's more or less like a fashion blog. So
Speaker 4: if you're into that. It's a gentleman's armor, which is
Speaker 4: taken from Kingsman, and armor is spelled with a you
Speaker 4: because I'm pretentious. That's pretty but that movie pretty much
Speaker 4: had me kick off the fashion blog because I love suiting,
Speaker 4: I love dressing up, and that kind of started. And
Speaker 4: I actually been thinking about doing a starting my own
Speaker 4: podcast about fashion the way it's used in movies and television.
Speaker 4: But we'll see when that happens.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that'd be great. So if you want to
Speaker 1: see a sharp dressed man, look up John on Instagram.
Speaker 4: Always appreciate.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Zach absolutely and Tyler. What about you? How
Speaker 1: are things going with the Krypton Report.
Speaker 3: It's doing good. You can find me anywhere where podcasts
Speaker 3: are and social media find Krypton Report always something to
Speaker 3: talk about. We've had some fun episodes recently, just trying
Speaker 3: to take you know, have some good times.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna do it for this conversation. We'll be
Speaker 1: back next time talking about Supergirl. Guys, can you believe
Speaker 1: there's an episode of the show called Supergirl but there's
Speaker 1: not an episode of the show called Superman? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: believe it.
Speaker 4: I actually for this show, I one hundred percent believe that.
Speaker 4: That's not even kind of checking.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we didn't even mention they talking about bringing
Speaker 1: everybody back right Lork redver care Ow she's back, So
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a must, that was an absolute
Speaker 1: lust and they did it, so kudos to them. How
Speaker 1: they handle that will discuss this season, but exactly until
Speaker 1: next time when we talk about Supergirl. Always hold on
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