WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.640 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:06.559 Tonight's story is from a woman named Andrea who's encounters 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:10.080 with something massive have haunted her for decades, from the 4 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:13.119 foggy trails of Salt Fork to the quiet railroad crossings 5 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:16.800 of Amish Country. These moments always came in daylight, and 6 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.320 they always came without warning. And these aren't just campfire stories. 7 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:23.879 These are the first hand accounts of Andrea, an Ohio 8 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:27.760 woman who saw more than most could believe in their lifetime. 9 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:29.879 So stay with us, all right, Big Fort Society. I've 10 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:32.359 got the privilege of talking to Andrea today. Andrew's an 11 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.759 individual I got connected to that is on the show 12 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:38.520 to share a few encounters she's had in the great 13 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:42.359 state of Ohio. So I'm going to go ahead and 14 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:45.520 pass things over to her in a minute. But before 15 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.560 I do, I want to make sure listeners are aware 16 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:50.399 of a new thing I've got. If you go out 17 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.280 of over to Big for Society podcast dot com, you 18 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:56.920 can click on sighting map and you can follow along 19 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:03.439 of different locals that we've talked about in episodes. It's 20 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.959 kind of a cool thing that we're putting into the podcast. 21 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.319 And Andrea, thank you so much for coming onto the show. 22 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:14.680 I'm glad that we could have this conversation. How are 23 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:15.159 you today? 24 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:17.079 Good? Thank you? 25 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:20.680 And you doing great? Doing great? Always a good day 26 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:24.359 when I'm able to talk to people about what they've experienced. 27 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:26.760 So I want to make sure that we, you know, 28 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.879 make the best of our time together today, Andrea, So 29 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.000 feel free to take us back to when this all 30 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:37.359 first started happening to you and we'll we'll be right 31 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:37.920 there with you. 32 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:39.840 Okay. 33 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:43.760 Well, first, I'd like to say that when I was fourteen, 34 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:49.599 a man deemed of my parents' house, and I remember 35 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:53.719 you told us a story. My dad was a photographer, 36 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.680 so I do know a lot of people. But yeah, 37 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:02.359 this guy was talking about starving twenty one in Maslon 38 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:10.319 and he had seen a cigar shaped UFO or craft 39 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:15.120 is what he said, and it was following alongside him, 40 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:21.280 and he said, quote an ape like man was staring 41 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:25.159 back at me. And I didn't think anything of it 42 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:28.400 at the time because I'd never This was back in 43 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.280 the seventies when UFOs were popular. 44 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.400 And I never really thought. 45 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:40.159 About it, and so I just thought that was kind 46 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:41.639 of odd. 47 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:44.400 Was what was the location? On that again, just to 48 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:45.000 make sure. 49 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:45.240 I've got it. 50 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:49.840 Twenty one in Maslin, Ohio. Twenty one goes north and south. 51 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.400 It runs in the seventies seven and goes up to Cleveland, 52 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:55.759 thank you. 53 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:57.800 Uh huh. 54 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:03.400 And so I kind of just liked to have fun 55 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:08.599 that I was going to school and traveling, and I 56 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:11.479 heard about this this thing that was going on in 57 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:17.199 the Senior Center, this bigfoot, this bigfoot talk. I don't know, 58 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:21.240 so I thought, well, I'll just go for points. And 59 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:27.439 this man Mark A Worth was showing a film and 60 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.919 I said, Okay, I'll stay around and see what this 61 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:35.800 is about. And he was in Will's Creek and it's 62 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:40.960 in conshocked and we have the Bigfoot triangle where most 63 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:45.639 of the sighting has happened. And I'm watching this film. 64 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:53.360 It tells the story of going to Willis Creek with 65 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:58.800 a couple other friends and they all kind of go 66 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:03.680 off by themselves. He hears this crunching of the you know, 67 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:08.800 leaves as he's walking, and he gets real scared and 68 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.400 he thinks this is at the time there was a 69 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:18.639 hunter who was killing other hunters, and so he got 70 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.879 scared in the and he had got scared and went 71 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:26.600 down into the skull you sat on this rock, and 72 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:31.439 this was about the time that the video cameras came out, 73 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:36.399 so he kind of took it out, and he was 74 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:40.800 sitting there and he sees the tree swinging back and forth, 75 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:43.959 and he said to himself, you know, there's no wind. 76 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:49.759 So he takes the zoom LUNs and he looks and 77 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:55.639 he sees this ape like an ape like juvenile looking 78 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:59.920 and picking up behind this tree. I couldn't believe it. 79 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.160 So that's how I got hooked on this this bigfoot thing. 80 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:09.639 So I did some you know, research, and and I 81 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:14.720 heard that he had this conference down itself Fork State Park. 82 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.759 So I would go every year and I would either 83 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.959 sleep in my cars, go camping, or go you know, 84 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:26.680 stay in the lodge and and I would always kind 85 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.920 of listen to what other people say and and try 86 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:35.240 try to listen to the stories and and introduce myself. 87 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:39.319 So I hear about this guy named Walker. 88 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:45.920 Who who had a sighting so and then he had 89 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.199 a picture on the internet. So I finally found that 90 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.879 picture and I downloaded it. 91 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:53.800 But I wanted to meet this guy. 92 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:58.160 So one year I was there and I overheard him 93 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:02.240 talking to a couple of girls from Charlotte, Carolina, and 94 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.639 I asked him, I said, will you take us to 95 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:06.600 this place. 96 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:07.560 Where you had this fighting? 97 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:13.839 And so his story was that a couple of guys 98 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:20.680 were doing some fishing on one of the lakes there 99 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.040 and they saw the male and the female on the beach. 100 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:29.279 So they had known it was a shaw this week weekend, 101 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.480 so they came and told Mark youa, what they saw. 102 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:36.040 And Walter, you know, said to his friends, well, why 103 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:42.639 don't we go in the morning and and you know, 104 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:48.360 just just check out this, uh, you know, where they 105 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.480 had seen this male and female. So he said, well, 106 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:53.879 let's go in the morning around Neil five or six. 107 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:57.079 So he gets there and there's nobody there, so he 108 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.800 figured they either didn't show up or they went with 109 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:03.160 that them. So he decides to go anywhere. And he's 110 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.759 walking and he said it was a little foggy and 111 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:11.439 he hears just like talking, but it wasn't like English. 112 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.879 It was just some kind of chattering. And he looks 113 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:17.560 over his shoulder and he goes, hey, guys, wait for me, 114 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.839 and here it was this male and the female and 115 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.439 so he starts running and takes his picture. So I 116 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:28.680 finally found this picture. But I always wanted to meet 117 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.879 this guy, and I finally met him, and I asked 118 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.519 him to take us to this the Shadbush trail, and 119 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:41.240 so it was his family and me and this two 120 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.120 girls and her son daughter. But it all ended up 121 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:48.920 that it was just you know, they had left and 122 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:52.720 it was just me and Walter and these two girls 123 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.839 and the two boys. So we're walking and we get 124 00:07:55.879 --> 00:08:01.000 to this Actually one of the girls whistled and you 125 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:04.639 could hear a whistle on one side and then they 126 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:08.720 would whistle. She would whistle again, and then on the 127 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:12.240 other side you would hear another whistle. But you could 128 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:16.600 never see anything. So this whistling would go back and forth. 129 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.519 So I figured it was the male. I mean, I 130 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.759 figured it was the the mom and the juvenile this 131 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:27.800 plane back and forth, or you know, being Trichters, I guess. 132 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:29.959 So we get to the top of the tail and 133 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:32.919 I said, well, let's go down this sail. And we 134 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.279 get to the bottom of it, and Walter says, well, 135 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.720 the path is not it's kind of it's not safe. 136 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.679 It's overgrown, and we can't get to the beach this way. 137 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.159 So you know, we just kind of sat there and 138 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:51.320 the kids. The little boy says, oh, I see a 139 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:55.799 black arm and uh so, and it's at the top 140 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.879 of this big hill behind a tree. I said, well, 141 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.759 let's go up there and we'll find out what's going on. 142 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.039 So we get up there and there's nothing there that 143 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:08.720 you can't see nothing, but you're overlooking everything. So look 144 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:12.759 at the trees. There's nothing there, and I just got 145 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.200 what the heck is going on here? I said, well, here, 146 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.200 here's some skittles. I'll give you some skittles, and let's 147 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:22.159 get the juvenile some skills. So, you know, it was 148 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.080 kind of a little gifting things. That's what I heard 149 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:27.720 that people do. So I just you know, we walked 150 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.320 down the hill and then I'll go way back. They 151 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:34.360 escorted us out of the forest with the whistling hands. 152 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:38.399 It was mimicking. So then we see these The little 153 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:40.120 boy goes, look, I f on this truck. 154 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:41.720 So it was. 155 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.639 I put a dollar bill down. It was like fifteen 156 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.440 and a half inches. I figured that was a mom 157 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:51.600 and that was only one foot footprint, and then next 158 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.080 to it was a juvenile. And I didn't even bother 159 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:57.279 take a picture of that. He said, it wasn't it 160 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:03.639 wasn't you know enough so you could tell it was 161 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:08.720 the mom and that you now. So so we got 162 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.320 escorted it out and then we went to the family 163 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.639 picnic and that was that. But every year that they went, 164 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:20.440 something weird that always happened. And and one of the 165 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.080 funny things that happened was when I met some guys 166 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.799 and they were in this vand there were there were 167 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:32.000 three of us, and we ended up seeing we were 168 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:37.320 going towards the marina and you know how when you're driving. 169 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:40.720 You can see. 170 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.960 You just look at the lights, you know, in the darker, 171 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.480 and he just placed a fist black in south Forth 172 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.120 State Park. So he goes, oh my gosh, did you 173 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.960 see that? And they go and I didn't want to 174 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.200 sound crazy, so I said, well, what did you see? 175 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:59.320 He said he saw a late go yeah, I did too. 176 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.960 It was like it had crossed in front of us, 177 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:05.679 excuse me, and it was going up the bakment. 178 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.399 So we just caught that, you know, the left leg 179 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:09.720 of it. 180 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:14.559 And I said, so, you know, we stopped the car 181 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.159 and I sing over the rainbow. I heard the tay 182 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.039 you know, like music, so you know, I'm saying, but nothing, yeah, 183 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.960 but nothing ever happened with that. And then we were 184 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:33.399 across the uh what is it the Stonehouse trail in 185 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:38.080 a parking lot, and and these guys were like talking 186 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:42.759 and laughing and and I just kind of, you know, 187 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:47.279 listened to they were just having fun, and all of 188 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:54.919 a sudden, you hear this loud, loud grunt and you know, 189 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.559 what's that, you know, and you know they have tend 190 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:02.559 to brush it off, and then it was another grunt again, 191 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:06.320 and I go. Somebody said, oh, it sounds like a 192 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.120 truck that you know, is changing gears. And I said, well, 193 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.240 I don't think there's any trucks out here, because we're 194 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.799 trying pretty far out, and and so they kind of 195 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.080 brush it off and they go back to laughing and stuff, 196 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.799 and then you hear it again, and I go, you, guys, 197 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.720 this isn't no truck. And I got scared that they 198 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.960 all like scattered and went back into the trucks and 199 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:38.240 left me there alone, and oh whatever, And so I 200 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:42.519 sang over the rainbow and that got real quiet, and 201 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:46.720 we had left and so we did kind of were 202 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:50.480 on the park and just you know, had fun. And 203 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.279 you know, it was kind of strange because we went 204 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:58.360 over by the cave and across the river you could do. 205 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.120 I did, was like a fire, and. 206 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:05.200 There shouldn't be a fire over by the stone house 207 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.159 because this is the museum. I thought that was kind 208 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.200 of odds. A lot of weird things happened over there. 209 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:19.399 And so another story was my mom and my granddaughter. 210 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:27.360 We were driving to mom's country and they were putting 211 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:33.799 in a pipeline at the time, the detours, and we 212 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.840 finally made the Comas Country, but on the way back 213 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:41.240 I got lost. So we came to this railroad track 214 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.679 and I wanted to teach my granddaughter to prolaby about 215 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:52.080 four years old, and my mom had dementia, so I 216 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.320 just said, you know, okay, let's look to the right. 217 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.799 I wanted to teach her very from less and so 218 00:13:57.879 --> 00:13:59.840 I looked to the right and then I said, okay, 219 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:04.600 to the left, and there was a tall, brown, skinny, 220 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:05.879 very skinny. 221 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:07.080 It kind of looked like an. 222 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.159 S an s her and seeing up, it's like, oh 223 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:14.519 my god, you have the beginning. 224 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:16.039 It was brown. 225 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:19.639 It was crossing the railroad track that was headed from 226 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.039 north to south. I didn't say anything d anybody for 227 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.000 the longest time. I ended up filling my granddather later 228 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.519 and she's like, right now, she's seventeen, and so it's 229 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:34.399 been quite a while. And then the third time I 230 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:42.279 saw a friend of mine, I wanted to go on 231 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:45.320 a sixth nineteen big brother's house. He is up Farner 232 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:51.000 and she said, well, do you want to go for 233 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.279 a ride? And I said, okay, you know, no problem. 234 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.440 She wanted to give him her her car and he 235 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:01.720 had to trust. So he took all these different roads 236 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:06.399 to get to his house. And I'm just looking out 237 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:11.600 the window, you know, looking at that sea making and 238 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:14.799 I see a black tall. 239 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:23.879 I'm so sorry. I see a tall, black mascolar and 240 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:29.480 he was going to just to go west. Oh, so sorry. 241 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.600 I couldn't believe that I saw. I didn't tell anybody. 242 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.039 And then years later I said, remember we went to 243 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.320 your brother's thousand She said yeah. I said what roads 244 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.279 did you take? And she goes, well, why why do 245 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.600 you want to know? I said, well, I saw a 246 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:52.799 big butt and she laughed. She goes, they don't exist. Well, 247 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:57.279 so you're calling me a liar, She says, they don't exist. 248 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.840 I go, well, I know what I saw, and then 249 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.600 I just shut up after that, and I never said 250 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:05.000 anything to anybody else. 251 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:11.679 And so everybody thinks I'm crazy. My daughter thinks she is. 252 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.759 What what do you believe in fairies? And nicorner No, 253 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:24.480 and so I kind of just like shut up after that, 254 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:30.639 and I I never said anything to anybody. And and uh, 255 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:35.039 I was just great for a good man. And I 256 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.799 frond a good man. And he we've been married for 257 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:47.159 one year and they sixteenth and he had gotten a 258 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:56.639 job down he got a job up north, and uh, I'm. 259 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.519 Sorry, you're good. 260 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:01.519 Take the time you need. 261 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:03.840 That's my granddaughter. 262 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.960 Anyways, Well he got a job up north and it 263 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:19.079 was I think Clinton, Ohio, and he said he was coming. 264 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:20.119 Oh my goodness. 265 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:35.519 That was a little concerning. I hope that individual is okay. 266 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:43.000 Sounds like her call was disrupted somehow. Let's see if 267 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.599 we can call Andrea back. 268 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:09.119 Hi, dit Angree is your name in the short message 269 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:14.920 in your phone number? I'll call you back bye at 270 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:17.839 the tone. Please record your message. When you finished recording, 271 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.559 you may hang up or press one for more options 272 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.279 to leave a callback number. Press five. 273 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.000 Hey, Andrea, this is Jeremiah from Big five Society. Colin youa. 274 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.200 It sounds like you had some kind of issue and 275 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.079 then your phone either hung up or got disconnected. I 276 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.359 hope everything's okay. Feel free to give me a callback 277 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:45.279 if you are able to, and maybe we can finish 278 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:50.440 our conversation. Thank you. Hi is this Andrea? We are recording? 279 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.880 Okay, I'm so sorry. 280 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:05.279 So so I want to know if you have any 281 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:08.640 you know, assumption or what's the word I'm looking for. 282 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.519 Do you have any idea why some of us see 283 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:16.599 them and some of them don't. And have you seen 284 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:20.440 any patterns with the phone calls that you've been getting 285 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:21.039 from people? 286 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:23.880 Yeah, that's a great question. We can talk about that 287 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:28.160 for a few minutes. So I would say people that 288 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:33.880 are more open to things that are out of the 289 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:39.200 ordinary might be able to see the patterns. There's also 290 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:44.599 people that have sometimes gone through a very traumatic event. 291 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:48.319 Sometimes that will be a pattern that I see. They've 292 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.039 gone through a divorce, or a loved one has passed away, 293 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:55.880 or something really intense has happened to them. Then they'll 294 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:58.240 end up going out into the woods. They'll have a 295 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:01.920 sighting for some reason, there is a connection there. Those 296 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:06.079 are the big patterns that I've seen recently. You were 297 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.440 starting to talk about how your husband had gotten a 298 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:13.599 job up north in Clinton, Ohio, and had some kind 299 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:14.519 of sighting up there. 300 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:21.640 Yes, yes, and it was and I was curious as 301 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.519 to you know, you know, I loved going on Google Earth, 302 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:28.200 and so I kind of found like, you know, the 303 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:33.079 way there, and I drove around and it is, you know, 304 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:38.920 full of forest and farmand and this is a meatpacking 305 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:44.599 like a slaughterhouse, and just down the road, not even 306 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:51.240 like five hundred yards. It was close the Tuscaras River. 307 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:55.440 So I could see that, you know that, you know, 308 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:59.519 hearing that they follow the rivers, I can see that, 309 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.640 know how he would have that sighting. But I kind 310 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:08.160 of wondered why. You know, maybe it was so that, 311 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:13.400 you know, because he doesn't believe either. But I just 312 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:17.000 wondered if maybe he was able to see that for 313 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:20.799 the reason that maybe did say that I'm not creating 314 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:25.400 myself so or to have that experience, you know what 315 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:29.279 I mean, something to share, I don't know, I don't. 316 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:35.119 Know, but and I and I wondered. 317 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:40.839 If people that are very religious maybe perhaps you know, 318 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:44.119 I hear a lot that there's you know, the nephlem 319 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:48.119 and you know, the fallen angels, and you know, then 320 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:50.480 I wondered you know what that guy had said there 321 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:54.720 from another universe, And I never wrote back then because 322 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:56.839 it kind of shadowed my whole thought that I thought 323 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:59.920 we were the apple. God died, but if he created everything, 324 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.359 then hec and surely, you know, I like the stargaze 325 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.359 and I've seen you know UFO. It's like a star 326 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:12.200 and zig zagged and disappeared. My brother saw a UFO. 327 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:16.359 And a lot of. 328 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.519 Spiritual things have happened to me, like every time I 329 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:24.039 lose somebody in the family, they always seem to come back. 330 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:27.960 And you know, I I don't know how to say it. 331 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:35.400 Uh so it sounds like you have other strange things 332 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:40.559 happening besides just having yeah. 333 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:46.319 Bigfoot ufo spiritual. Yeah, I say. 334 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:50.119 I worked in a nursing home, like a late senior 335 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:55.240 care and and people that would die, I would sing 336 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:59.920 this over the rainbow I sang in college, and I 337 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:05.200 would sing to them before they were dying. And this 338 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:08.759 one lady comes down, she's bawling out to the bathroom. 339 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:13.640 She's crying, and I was so embarrassed because I didn't 340 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:16.640 think there was anybody else in there. But that's dying woman. 341 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.839 She goes, Oh, that's my mom's favorite song, and so 342 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:22.319 she goes, don't stop. 343 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:25.680 So I kind of like squeekly, you know, finish the. 344 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:29.799 Song, and you know, I said my goodbyes, and and 345 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:33.000 then like about three days later, you know, when you're 346 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:36.359 sleeping and you're kind of awaken and sleep, I could 347 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:41.000 smell this old lady perfume, and I thought, oh, my goodness, 348 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:43.119 maybe she's coming to say thank you. 349 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:43.359 You know. 350 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.680 So a lot of people who have come, like I 351 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:52.039 would sing to something weird would always happen like after 352 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:55.279 they passed away, like they would come back and you know, 353 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:56.920 i'd smell perfume. 354 00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:59.720 Or one time my phone rang and it. 355 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:02.799 Was like one of those FlipTop homes and it was 356 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.559 like it vibrated and. 357 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:06.920 Said Linda's mom. 358 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.759 And that night she passed away, and I said, oh, 359 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:14.279 this is this is weird. And the strangest thing that 360 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.079 happened to me was when my mom. 361 00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:17.720 Had passed away. 362 00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:23.720 I was at speedway and I was getting drink and 363 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:27.000 it was real messy and I see this young kid 364 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.119 in the twenties and he's clean, and I said. 365 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.519 Do you work here? And he goes no. I go, well, that's. 366 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.359 Really nice of you to clean up passing messy people, 367 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:38.960 and he goes, oh, and then all of a sudden 368 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:42.279 he stopped talking to me. He looked at me and 369 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:44.839 he said, did your mom just pass away? 370 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.720 And I kind of was shocked, you know, and I 371 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:51.119 looked at him. I go yeah. 372 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:57.039 He goes, well, she wasn't ready to go. And I'm 373 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.319 like an awe, Like, how does he know? You know 374 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.920 that has just passed away? So he goes, she wasn't 375 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.359 ready to go. She goes o with the mail and 376 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:09.799 your family that could have done more but didn't. And 377 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.440 then I thought, okay, this is getting really weird because 378 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:16.160 I always thought that, you know, maybe my my brother 379 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:20.839 should have gotten you know, physical therapy or occupational therapy 380 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.720 instead of just putting her on hospice. 381 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.640 And so. 382 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:36.240 Then he said, he goes, your father had the last word, 383 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.480 and I'm going, my dad, jeez, maybe you know he's 384 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:43.200 German and he was always strict, and maybe you know 385 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:47.079 that's why she hasn't come back, and you know, let 386 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:50.640 me know that everything that's okay. So I just you 387 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:53.200 know that just and he goes, well, i'll see you 388 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.160 in eight more days. Well, of course I never saw 389 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.960 him eight days. I never made any you know, I 390 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.519 never thought about it. And then one year we were 391 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.680 doing a book club. One of the churches came to 392 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.359 the apartment and did this book club. I think we 393 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:13.039 were learning about the Book of Revelation and I told 394 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:19.160 them this story and my friend goes, your father in heaven. 395 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:20.200 I go what. 396 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.079 She goes, yeah, your father in heaven has the last word. 397 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:28.279 And I'm going, oh, all along he was talking about 398 00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:28.920 my dad. 399 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:30.839 She goes, no, your father. 400 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:35.000 In heaven and I go, okay, that that makes more sense. 401 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.720