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Speaker 3: the Dog Days of Summer, just in case you missed
Speaker 3: it last week, the Dog days of Summer officially are
Speaker 3: from that period of time right around July the third
Speaker 3: to August, the low named in honor of the brightest
Speaker 3: star in the heavens other than the Sun, the star Sirius,
Speaker 3: the Magic of the Dog Star, a star that was
Speaker 3: so important to the ancient Egyptians, not only in the
Speaker 3: alignment of the pyramids, the great engineering marvel that may
Speaker 3: have had some outside help we don't know, but during
Speaker 3: the beginning of their period, the agricultural cycle and the
Speaker 3: planting season, the star Sirius would rise around this particular
Speaker 3: time of year. They called it the helical rising of Sirius.
Speaker 3: In simple terms, it rose before the sun and it
Speaker 3: was a marker. But we know the dog days of
Speaker 3: summer right here in Phoenix. The high temperature today where
Speaker 3: I am broadcasting from one hundred and seventeen degrees fahrenheit. How
Speaker 3: about this with a low to night of ninety seven degrees,
Speaker 3: humidity from eighteen percent, and a due point of fifty
Speaker 3: eight and that is fifty eight degrees muggy. But what
Speaker 3: about your weather? What are the concerns that you may
Speaker 3: have not only about weather, but about the climate. And
Speaker 3: in tonight's adventure we continue with that. One of our
Speaker 3: most popular guests, Tom Harris, executive director of the International
Speaker 3: Climate Science Coalition, and in simple but reform. The International
Speaker 3: Climate Science Coalition is a nonpartisan group of independent scientists, economists,
Speaker 3: and energy and policy experts formed back in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight to promote better understanding of climate science and
Speaker 3: policy worldwide. The ICSSE aims to create an environment in
Speaker 3: which a more rational, open discussion about climate issues emerges,
Speaker 3: thereby moving the debate away from implementation of costly and
Speaker 3: ineffectual climate control measures. The ICSSE encourages assisting vulnerable peoples
Speaker 3: to adapt to climate variability in continuing scientific research into
Speaker 3: the causes and impacts of climate change. Mister Harris lives
Speaker 3: and works in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, where his temperature is
Speaker 3: a balmy sixty five degrees and clear. He has some
Speaker 3: thirty years experience as a mechanical engineer, project manager, science
Speaker 3: and technology communications professional and the technical trainer. He was
Speaker 3: the science and technology advisor to former opposition senior environment
Speaker 3: critic in Canada's Parliament from two thousand and six to
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, and he was the executives vector
Speaker 3: and the executive director excuse me of the National Resources
Speaker 3: Stewardship Project in Canada. And with that, Tom Harris, welcome
Speaker 3: back to our journey and discussing climate and in tonight's
Speaker 3: edition an episode, we'll get into a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: other topics because it'll be open forum later where people
Speaker 3: can ask their questions about many of the subjects that
Speaker 3: we'll bring together, from avigation, from space, et cetera. Welcome
Speaker 3: to the show, Thanks for being up here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's great. One hundred and seventeen today in
Speaker 4: Nevada in Las Vegas. Eh, wow, it's the record.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Phoenix, Oh, in Arizona. Okay, yeah, you can tell I'm Canadian.
Speaker 4: I don't even know it's today, that's okay. But yeah,
Speaker 4: if I look at Arizona, the maximum temperature was one
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty eight one hundred and twenty eight, yeah,
Speaker 4: thirty two years ago in nineteen ninety four. So it's
Speaker 4: nothing happening now. That's unusual. Unfortunately, one seventeen is not
Speaker 4: too abnormal for you.
Speaker 5: Is it.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. And it's really upsetting because not only
Speaker 3: our electric bill is going to be off the charts.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine when you plug in your electric vehicle?
Speaker 3: And who knows, we have one of the largest power
Speaker 3: plants just to the west of US, a Poaloverti nuclear
Speaker 3: power plant, which of course is now pulling in energy
Speaker 3: and transferring it to all other needy individuals and other cities.
Speaker 3: But the whole story we begin with you, Tom, and
Speaker 3: it's so amazing to have you on these subjects because
Speaker 3: there's so much to talk about, and throughout this program
Speaker 3: I want to also mention first I should say, first
Speaker 3: as a host your website ICSC dash Canada dot com,
Speaker 3: because so many times when people call in, we want
Speaker 3: to refer them because of the limited time that we have.
Speaker 3: But you're a writer for so many different periodicals in
Speaker 3: the digital form. Talk about a few of those, because
Speaker 3: I think it's America Outline, which I think is where
Speaker 3: you highlight so many of your articles. Tell people about that,
Speaker 3: And let's dig into some of these climate issues that
Speaker 3: are perplexing to people. And I throw this question out
Speaker 3: to the audience, do you really feel that ism, gentlemen,
Speaker 3: that we've been hoodwinked on so many other things. Naturally,
Speaker 3: many people may just say, well, of course, we want
Speaker 3: to keep it open and fair because maybe there are
Speaker 3: people out there that totally disagree with the content. I
Speaker 3: would imagine wondering why, because you seem to present and
Speaker 3: always do a great job in presenting evidence. Because one
Speaker 3: of the main things I learned from listening to you
Speaker 3: is that we should listen to those that disagree with us.
Speaker 3: Please continue. I think you said something that's worth a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, And that was how I converted from
Speaker 4: climate alarmism to climate realism. I actually listen to a scientist,
Speaker 4: local scientist here in Ottawa who doesn't want me to
Speaker 4: identify them, because of course, it's dangerous for people to
Speaker 4: speak out against the climate scare if you're still in academia,
Speaker 4: and that's why, of course, the main scientists who do
Speaker 4: speak out are people who are retired. You know, americaoutlud
Speaker 4: dot news is where most of my articles are published.
Speaker 4: We also have a radio show there called The Other
Speaker 4: Side of the Story, and in the past couple of
Speaker 4: weeks we've had some young people on. Actually I was
Speaker 4: on vacation in Spain, and so my daughter, who's the
Speaker 4: master's of physics, she's pretty knowledgeable about climate as well.
Speaker 4: She interviewed Lennel Lukin from the Heartland Institute, who's a
Speaker 4: young engineer actually who works for Heartland, and Chris March
Speaker 4: who works for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. He's
Speaker 4: their meteorologist. I think he's only about twenty five. So
Speaker 4: it's very encouraging to see young people actually speaking out
Speaker 4: against the climate scare and in favor of a real
Speaker 4: environmental protection. Both of them spoke actually at Heartland's International
Speaker 4: Climate Change Conference sixteen in Washington back in April. And
Speaker 4: you know, these are really outstanding people. I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: seventy three. I'm not going to be around forever, so
Speaker 4: I love it that these young people are picking up
Speaker 4: the torch.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about something else here. I want people to
Speaker 3: understand that we're being objective here in your opinion, and
Speaker 3: I'm a good listener on this at least I hope so.
Speaker 3: But give us from the climate realism side some of
Speaker 3: the issues that people should be concerned about that you
Speaker 3: agree because you're not denying things. You're talking in the
Speaker 3: terms of realism. So just before we get this interview
Speaker 3: rolling here the engine and the steep climb as we
Speaker 3: go up a hill and then we cascade over to
Speaker 3: the other side, give us some realism of problems that
Speaker 3: really do exist out there. So people don't think in
Speaker 3: your presentation we're going to be biased against anything that
Speaker 3: has to do with the term climate. Please continue on that.
Speaker 3: I think it's only fair to let that out of
Speaker 3: that out of the back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: And you know we're not climate change deniers. If anything,
Speaker 4: I'm a denial denier. I deny that I deny climate change.
Speaker 4: So you know, I mean, if it weren't for if
Speaker 4: it weren't for climate change, i'd be sitting under two
Speaker 4: kilometers of ice because during the last during the last
Speaker 4: glacial period, where I am in Canada and northern United
Speaker 4: States had in this case two kome is of ice
Speaker 4: right above us. So thank goodness, we have climate change.
Speaker 4: And in fact, we're in a very nice period right
Speaker 4: now called an interglacial It only lasts for typically five
Speaker 4: to ten thousand years, and we'll be coming out of
Speaker 4: that and then enter into a ninety thousand year glacial period,
Speaker 4: during which time we won't be able to live in Canada.
Speaker 4: So yeah, climate always changes, and there's no question that
Speaker 4: we have to help prepare for that. And a good
Speaker 4: example is the Super al Nino that they're forecasting is
Speaker 4: now building in the Pacific Ocean. They're saying that they'll
Speaker 4: be Yeah, they're saying that there's going to be record
Speaker 4: breaking global temperatures, marine heat waves, more and more ice melt.
Speaker 4: So the bottom line is that, yeah, climate changes, and
Speaker 4: you have to get ready for it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing is I was just in Europe and
Speaker 4: they only have about twenty percent of homes with air conditioning.
Speaker 4: You know, you have seniors homes, hospitals don't have air conditioning.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. In the United States, it's ninety percent of homes.
Speaker 4: So you have to get ready for climate change, because
Speaker 4: it always will change. At times it will get colder,
Speaker 4: but in the near future it's going to get pretty
Speaker 4: darn hot because of this eel nemil. So we really
Speaker 4: have to adapt to it and then prepare for it.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 3: In Phoenix. Not to be funny, we carry in what
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty percent of that We make sure
Speaker 3: we even carry one on our back, at least we
Speaker 3: wish we could. But again, we choose to live in
Speaker 3: this environment. But let's talk across this foreig and wide
Speaker 3: radio broadcast network here not only the United States, but
Speaker 3: around the nation and the world. It's so interesting and
Speaker 3: some of your articles that you write on it, I'd like
Speaker 3: to highlight a couple that people can go to in
Speaker 3: greater detail, climate and armism and the mental health of
Speaker 3: young people. You write an article here on this particular
Speaker 3: website that we've been talking about here America Loud. This
Speaker 3: comes to you and to the audience back in watch
Speaker 3: July the twenty second, so it's fresh. Give us the synopsis.
Speaker 3: It sounds interesting as to what you dig into here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: Well, they've done various polls, especially in Canada because Canada
Speaker 4: is still rapid up in the climate scare. Happily, the
Speaker 4: United States is backing off of it, which is really
Speaker 4: quite wonderful, and there's some very good developments we can
Speaker 4: talk about later on that. But in Canada they find
Speaker 4: that a very high fraction of young people are depressed
Speaker 4: to the point of clinical problems, where it actually interferes
Speaker 4: with their ability to live life because they're so worried
Speaker 4: about climate change. One of the impacts, of course, is
Speaker 4: that less and less young people are having children themselves.
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons. One of my sisters, for example,
Speaker 4: she told me, until she finally realized there was no
Speaker 4: climate emergency, that she wasn't going to have children because,
Speaker 4: in fact, you know, we had to save the earth
Speaker 4: from climate change, you know. Vogue magazine, and we see
Speaker 4: this across a lot of left wing magazines. Vogue magazine
Speaker 4: said the greatest act of environmental terrorism is having a child.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: So this is really a very serious thing, and in
Speaker 4: a way it's a form of child abuse because they
Speaker 4: come through high school and they only hear one side
Speaker 4: of the story. My daughter, the physics major, she's actually
Speaker 4: thirty three now, but she saw al Gore's film. I
Speaker 4: think she said five times over her high school career,
Speaker 4: you know, so they don't expose it to the other side.
Speaker 4: And one of the main points we made in this
Speaker 4: article that you referenced is that there's plenty of information
Speaker 4: out there. There's one thing called the Climate Change Reconsidered
Speaker 4: Series of reports, and people can check it out at
Speaker 4: climate Change Reconsidered dot org. And they've been putting out
Speaker 4: reports which bring together thousands of references and hundreds of
Speaker 4: scientists from all over the world that show that there
Speaker 4: is no climate emergency. And I have to give real
Speaker 4: credit to the Climate Change Reconsidered Series because as early
Speaker 4: as night as twenty eighteen, which is when one of
Speaker 4: their volumes came out, it was the one on fossil fuels,
Speaker 4: They said that the forecast that was being used to
Speaker 4: scare everybody and to generate all these massive headlines, which
Speaker 4: was a scenario of massive increase in coal use and
Speaker 4: therefore huge temperature rises. It's called RCP eight point five.
Speaker 4: They said, point blank, this is ridiculous. This would require
Speaker 4: more than burning all the fossil fuels on the whole planet.
Speaker 4: You still wouldn't get our You still wouldn't get our
Speaker 4: CP eight point five. So They pointed out as far
Speaker 4: ago as eight years ago that this was nonsense, and finally,
Speaker 4: finally the UN has backed off and said, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a ridiculous forecast because it would require increasing coal use
Speaker 4: by something like five times, and that simply hasn't happened.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've had a massive conversion to natural gas,
Speaker 4: for example. So you know, this is something people have
Speaker 4: got to look up Climate Change Reconsidered dot org and
Speaker 4: what you'll find is that this is what the media
Speaker 4: has been ignoring forever. It's it's just as significant as
Speaker 4: the IPCC. It's put out by the NIPCC, which I
Speaker 4: was laughing. You know, it's not not an IPCC, it's
Speaker 4: the Governmental International Panel on Climate Change. So that's what
Speaker 4: young people should be exposed to. They should be given
Speaker 4: the whole story and then make up their own mind.
Speaker 3: Our Theater of the Mind continues on the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 3: Always great guests, as you tell us my email Dr
Speaker 3: Sky Doctor Sky at WADC Radio dot com, And ladies
Speaker 3: and gentlemen, if you have questions for our special guest,
Speaker 3: who is he? For the two hours of this particular
Speaker 3: as we call it, Tonight's Adventure, Tom Harris the executive
Speaker 3: director of the International Climate Science Coalition. All I ask
Speaker 3: is when you give us a call at one eight
Speaker 3: hundred and eight four eight nine two two two, that
Speaker 3: we at least try to stay on measure for at
Speaker 3: least these particular segments, because we will wander right tom
Speaker 3: into so many other subjects that you have some expertise
Speaker 3: in and we'd like to share with the audience kind
Speaker 3: of an open forum as we move forward. In the
Speaker 3: radio show, Climate Alarmism and the Mental Health of young people,
Speaker 3: you've explained that to us. I think that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Another article just to give us a quick summation, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to read the headline Beyond the Bear, America's
Speaker 3: oil industry and the road ahead, relating that to what
Speaker 3: you talk about. What's the details?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, that's interesting. That was an interview with
Speaker 4: Linnea Lucan, and she was previously a petroleum engineer. I
Speaker 4: guess she still is, well if she's working for Heartland.
Speaker 4: And it turns out the United States, because of fracking,
Speaker 4: they have come across, of course vast quantity of oil
Speaker 4: and natural gas, and the United States now is a
Speaker 4: net exporter of natural gas, or I should say petroleum
Speaker 4: in general, and this is because of fracking. Fracking has
Speaker 4: been a wonderful find. You know, back in Jimmy Carter's
Speaker 4: day when you were importing a lot of oil from
Speaker 4: the Middle East, you know, he put on his sweater
Speaker 4: and he said, we all have to conserve energy. But
Speaker 4: things have massively changed. A lot of people will say, well,
Speaker 4: fracking is dangerous, it's going to destroy the water table.
Speaker 4: You got to realize the water table only goes from
Speaker 4: about surface level, because you know, you have swamps and
Speaker 4: things down only a few hundred feet, whereas they're drilling
Speaker 4: for fracking, you know, a mile down, I mean the
Speaker 4: way down below. And so this is a very safe technology.
Speaker 4: They have minor you know, so small you can't feel
Speaker 4: them at the surface. There's minor tremors of course, because
Speaker 4: they're breaking up the rock to get the oil out
Speaker 4: of it. But yeah, the fracking is a huge boon
Speaker 4: for the United States. The Marcella's shale, for example, in
Speaker 4: the northeastern United States. Yeah, that is that has really
Speaker 4: made the United States, well, we don't really care how
Speaker 4: much oil do we get from Iran?
Speaker 3: Almost for Tom Tom in legacy media though, so if
Speaker 3: you would agree with this statement. I've done the research too,
Speaker 3: but you have much more of a focus like a
Speaker 3: laser on this. Many in the legacy media do blame
Speaker 3: the whole concept of many earthquakes somewhat severe on the
Speaker 3: continuance of fracking. How would you respond, I mean, you
Speaker 3: just gave us the point that it's not really dangerous
Speaker 3: to the environment, and thus what not really setting off
Speaker 3: anything but minor quakes is not an effective correct statement.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. You can measure them with instruments, but
Speaker 4: you can't feel them. They're very, very small, and of
Speaker 4: course they're down a mile deep into the earth. They
Speaker 4: you know, they have to be sensible in where they're
Speaker 4: going to frack. You're not going to frack right on
Speaker 4: a fault line, for example. But generally speaking it is
Speaker 4: extremely safe. You know, they haven't really had any major accidents.
Speaker 4: And of course, you know, the silly thing is you
Speaker 4: look at wind and solar power for example. You know,
Speaker 4: with the big storms that recently hit I believe it
Speaker 4: was California, it destroyed many many acres of wind farms.
Speaker 4: But you just don't have that with fracking. You don't
Speaker 4: have that with petroleum in general. So and you know,
Speaker 4: one of the things I find really incredible. They call
Speaker 4: it green energy. And if you watch Michael Moore's film
Speaker 4: Planet of the Humans, you can see that wind and
Speaker 4: solar power when you actually look at how they're made,
Speaker 4: you know, with the cobalt from the children and the
Speaker 4: congo and all the different minerals and things that are needed,
Speaker 4: and the huge areas that have to be used, you know,
Speaker 4: one hundred times more than a nuclear station, for example.
Speaker 4: You find that wind and solar are the least friendly
Speaker 4: energy sources on the planet. So the green energy label
Speaker 4: is just nineteen eighty four newspeak.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a hell of a controversy over the whole
Speaker 3: windmill thing. I mean, that's for subjects that we could
Speaker 3: go into and spend many hours on. But are you seeing,
Speaker 3: I mean from your research out there, there are lots
Speaker 3: lots of people are just abandoning the wind concept. I mean,
Speaker 3: the ROI from that apparently is not what anybody thought
Speaker 3: correct because if you don't get a steady wind, you
Speaker 3: just put up a lot of expensive stuff and you're
Speaker 3: not getting your ROI. How do you dig into that deeper?
Speaker 3: What's the latest on that?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's interesting a few years ago Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 4: of course, who was a junior, who was a very
Speaker 4: strong climate alarmist. He's not talking about it now, he's
Speaker 4: following Trump's directions, but he said, look, when you build
Speaker 4: a wind farm, you're building natural gas stations because the
Speaker 4: wind only has a capacity factor. It only operates about
Speaker 4: thirty percent of the time, so seventy percent of the
Speaker 4: time the wind's either too weak or it's too strong.
Speaker 4: So I mean it's a fairly narrow window that you
Speaker 4: can operate wind turbines in. So I have something that
Speaker 4: only gives you power thirty percent of the time on average.
Speaker 4: You need to have a reliable backup so you don't
Speaker 4: get away from fossil fuels anyways, because you need something
Speaker 4: that can ramp up and down quickly to compensate for
Speaker 4: the wind change, and that would be natural gas. Now,
Speaker 4: the problem, doctor S guy is that if you run
Speaker 4: a natural gas station at a continuous rate, you get
Speaker 4: high efficiency, low pollution. But that's not how these are
Speaker 4: being run. These have to go up and down and
Speaker 4: up and down, as if you're driving a car down
Speaker 4: the street at two miles an hour, sixty miles an
Speaker 4: hour ten miles an hour, you know you're gonna have
Speaker 4: terrible Yeah, you have terrible gas mileage. So the bottom
Speaker 4: line is you don't get away from fossil fuels, you
Speaker 4: just simply use the plants very inefficiently.
Speaker 3: Well, let's do this. I'm going to be reading this,
Speaker 3: and again, I don't want the audience to think that
Speaker 3: I'm just a genius. That may be purported, but that's
Speaker 3: certainly not the case. The concept of weather and climate.
Speaker 3: Let me just read this, and I want to get
Speaker 3: your definition further. Weather the state of the atmosphere at
Speaker 3: a place in time with regard to heat, drying it, pressure, sunshine,
Speaker 3: wind speed, rain, et cetera. And moving on to climate,
Speaker 3: the average weather in a given area over a longer
Speaker 3: period of time. And let's say in this what I'm
Speaker 3: reading over a period of thirty years, and there's five
Speaker 3: types of climate that people need to know about in
Speaker 3: your of course, extrapolation, tropical, temperate, arid, continental, and polar.
Speaker 3: What would you add to those that from your side
Speaker 3: studying it with the International Climate Science Coalition, Is that
Speaker 3: a fair and accurate reporting of what those are?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually very good, And you know that's why
Speaker 4: a single heat wave or even five years of heat
Speaker 4: waves doesn't prove climate change. You'd have to have that
Speaker 4: over decades because climate, of course, as you say, is
Speaker 4: a thirty year average. And the idea that we can
Speaker 4: control climate, I mean, this is a very far fetched thing.
Speaker 4: There's one case where we can, and that is, of course,
Speaker 4: the urban heat island. When you cut down a forest
Speaker 4: and you build a city, you'd definitely affect climate in
Speaker 4: the local area, and it can change temperature by five
Speaker 4: degrees in comparison with the countryside. Atlanta is a great
Speaker 4: example of that. They can see it from space. But
Speaker 4: you know, climate is driven by many, many factors other
Speaker 4: than humans, and this is why they generally don't interview geologists,
Speaker 4: because geologists can look through the long history of the
Speaker 4: Earth and they can see there were times when CO
Speaker 4: two was not fifty percent higher, you know than today,
Speaker 4: because you know the fifty percent rise since about eighteen
Speaker 4: eighty and people get all excited about that, But there's
Speaker 4: one thousand percent higher CO two levels millions of years
Speaker 4: in the past. And there was one particular instance which
Speaker 4: I always this is what turned me around quite frankly,
Speaker 4: when I when I saw this with the geologist who
Speaker 4: was my original mentor four hundred and forty million years ago,
Speaker 4: there was a period that some believe was the coldest
Speaker 4: in Earth's history, when in fact even the oceans were
Speaker 4: perhaps covered with ice. They call it the ice ball
Speaker 4: earth theory. And at that time when it was very cold,
Speaker 4: CO two was more than a one thousand percent of today,
Speaker 4: it was very high.
Speaker 3: So Geo, I think you're referring right, You're referring to
Speaker 3: the odivation period where again four hundred and forty five
Speaker 3: million years ago, or they say rapid global cooling incredible
Speaker 3: in that period.
Speaker 4: That's right, and that's where we don't see any correlation
Speaker 4: between CO two and temperature over the hundreds of millions
Speaker 4: of year type timeframe, because we can go back about
Speaker 4: a half a billion years by analyzing seashells, you know,
Speaker 4: they grind them up and they look at the ratio
Speaker 4: of oxygen isotopes and they can see what kind of
Speaker 4: temperatures there are, and they have other methods to use
Speaker 4: proxies to measure CO two. The thing is, if you
Speaker 4: look at that half billion year period, you find that
Speaker 4: there's no correlation between CO two and temperature. It just
Speaker 4: simply isn't there. If you look at the last few
Speaker 4: hundred thousand years, you find that, okay, temperature follows sorry,
Speaker 4: CO two follows temperature. So what happens is the earth,
Speaker 4: the earth worms typically because the Sun is more active,
Speaker 4: and then the oceans give off more CO two. So
Speaker 4: centuries later, after the Earth has already warmed, then you
Speaker 4: see a CEO two rise when it comes to the
Speaker 4: last few hundred thousand years. So the whole climate sort
Speaker 4: of mantra that we're being driven to a climate catastrophe
Speaker 4: by CO two, which is the main gas they're concerned about.
Speaker 4: The geologists just laugh, they say, oh, come on, that's ridiculous,
Speaker 4: and that's why they never interview them in the media.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you know it's equally important. I just want
Speaker 3: to remind people seats are still available and what we
Speaker 3: like to call the theater of the mind. We see
Speaker 3: your calls like Tom and Boston, Greg and Michigan and
Speaker 3: for all the others that would like to come into
Speaker 3: this theater of the mind. What do we call it that,
Speaker 3: because obviously you're not looking at a video screen, you're
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Speaker 8: Thank you you and Tom listen. I've always been a
Speaker 8: skiptive of this. I believe it's a money making deal
Speaker 8: for people like Algoa. But what bothers me the most
Speaker 8: doctor s guy, if you could speak about this, I
Speaker 8: understand because of air conditioning. No air conditioning in Europe,
Speaker 8: I mean the lack of tens of thousands of elderly
Speaker 8: elderly citizens in Europe are dying.
Speaker 11: Is that true?
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, but I'm going to go to
Speaker 3: Tom on that because that's his area of expertise. But
Speaker 3: stay with us Tom, let him respond on this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is good.
Speaker 4: And they've gone through various phases where thousands of seniors
Speaker 4: have died because of heat waves. Because of course, what
Speaker 4: happens in France, for example, is that in Paris, the
Speaker 4: young people and middle aged people they go, they leave
Speaker 4: the city it's too hot. So you end up with
Speaker 4: a lot of seniors without their family around to help them.
Speaker 4: And if they're living in non air conditioning environments, then indeed,
Speaker 4: you know it's a very serious risk. In some parts
Speaker 4: of Europe, they don't even have air conditioning in hospitals,
Speaker 4: if you can believe that. Twenty yeah, twenty percent of
Speaker 4: homes in Europe have air conditioning. In fact, it's interesting.
Speaker 4: I got there and I stayed in an Airbnb and
Speaker 4: they didn't have air conditioning, and it was thirty one
Speaker 4: degrees in my bedroom, which, of course we're a Canadian,
Speaker 4: is pretty hot. And yeah, that's right, being jet lagged,
Speaker 4: I guess that's one hundred or something being jet lagged.
Speaker 4: I lay in bed with an ice pack on my
Speaker 4: head until I eventually caught up with my sleep. Then
Speaker 4: I kind of got used to it. But you know,
Speaker 4: it's really a problem. I mean, air conditioning is a
Speaker 4: critical thing, especially in hospitals. And I don't have the
Speaker 4: exact statistics, but if you look at the number of
Speaker 4: people that died over the last few years because of
Speaker 4: heat in the elderly community, you're talking about thousands of people.
Speaker 4: And of course the opposite is true. The opposite is
Speaker 4: true as well. Tom In the United Kingdom, they have
Speaker 4: an axiom they say, or a slogan they say for
Speaker 4: seniors in the winter, it's eat or heat because electricity
Speaker 4: electricity prices have gone through the roof because they're trying
Speaker 4: to stop climate change. So you have Yeah, so you
Speaker 4: have so many thousands of seniors in homes in the
Speaker 4: United Kingdom who are literally either starving themselves are freezing
Speaker 4: to death. So the climate scare has serious consequences. But
Speaker 4: it's not climate, it's the fact that we're not prepared
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 3: From Tom to Tom, we go back to Tom in Boston.
Speaker 3: You have another comment because I hope he answered your question.
Speaker 3: I think it's amazing what we all heard.
Speaker 11: Absolutely ja doctor Shah. Yeah, thank you very much. I
Speaker 11: appreciate I appreciate you very much.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, sir for your kindness, and I hope
Speaker 3: you'll join us again as we continue to talk about
Speaker 3: these experiences and what's the goaltime. I like to say
Speaker 3: this over and over we learn, hopefully something new. And
Speaker 3: I say that with absolute respect to our guests and
Speaker 3: the callers on every particular show that we try to
Speaker 3: push out in this vast audience that's out there from
Speaker 3: talk radio seventy seven WABC. Let's continue with the callers
Speaker 3: Line one. We go to Greg in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 3: You're on with Tom Harris. Good evening to you.
Speaker 5: Are you doing sir doctor Sky, mister Harris, mister positive
Speaker 5: boom shack alackah. I got to ask you when we
Speaker 5: talk about weather. I read philosophical books and they say
Speaker 5: that when a butterfly flaps its wings, how does it
Speaker 5: affect the weather? And it does it do things that
Speaker 5: nuanced that little minutia create an effect that causes weather
Speaker 5: and climate change.
Speaker 3: Interesting?
Speaker 4: Really, yeah, that's an interesting question. I mean, theoretically everything
Speaker 4: affects everything, you know, you go to the microscopic level.
Speaker 4: But you know, one of the things that they're starting
Speaker 4: to conclude is that the Earth's system is not a
Speaker 4: fragile system on the verge of you know, on a
Speaker 4: knife sedge verge about to fall over. Patrick let's see
Speaker 4: Patrick Michaels, who was Cato Institute and also with the
Speaker 4: University of Let's see Virginia. He said that the new
Speaker 4: paradigm is a robust Earth paradigm because if in fact
Speaker 4: small changes to temperature, for example, are big changes to
Speaker 4: CO two was enough to drive the Earth to catastrophe,
Speaker 4: it would have happened many times in the past. So
Speaker 4: very fortunately, most of the feedbacks in nature are negative.
Speaker 4: In other words, you get a certain effect, but then
Speaker 4: nature dampens that effect. Okay, so you don't see an
Speaker 4: acceleration where as you say a butterfly flapping is going
Speaker 4: to eventually change the climate. What you find is that
Speaker 4: nature is very smart. It has a negative feedback which
Speaker 4: dampens things long before you have a runaway. So the
Speaker 4: truth is we've got a robust, a very robust earth,
Speaker 4: and it's a darn good thing because otherwise we would
Speaker 4: have gone to hell in a handbasket when CO two
Speaker 4: was a thousand times one thousand percent of today's level.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a very robust environment for well.
Speaker 3: Greg and Michigan. Here's something interesting I'm wanted to add,
Speaker 3: as Tom explained it in great detail. A friend of
Speaker 3: mine who passed doctor Edgar Mischel of Apollo fourteen. We
Speaker 3: sat together and I didn't realize other than his one
Speaker 3: singular trip to the moon and his moonwalking with our
Speaker 3: first American in space, and he told me something interesting.
Speaker 3: He was part of a group called the Noetic Institute,
Speaker 3: and people should.
Speaker 7: Look this up.
Speaker 12: Ah, he said to me.
Speaker 3: And you probably know this, Tom, but just to hear
Speaker 3: and maybe Greg knows it. What you were saying, Greg
Speaker 3: about the flapping of a butterfly's wings having more causation
Speaker 3: to other things like storms, maybe typhoons, hurricanes. He said
Speaker 3: to me, look up something, Steve. He said to me
Speaker 3: that we've come up with called the quantum hologram. And
Speaker 3: I scratched my head and I said, boy, that's a
Speaker 3: lot of words to you know, to get out what
Speaker 3: is it? And he said that, in simplicity terms, Greg,
Speaker 3: everything in the universe that we have, and particularly here
Speaker 3: in the Earth, every single you know, thing that every
Speaker 3: little thing does, has some sort of like a long
Speaker 3: connected line. So if you could see it, it would
Speaker 3: be it's amazing how everything simply is interconnected. Isn't that amazing? Greg,
Speaker 3: It's amazing stuff.
Speaker 5: Very much. Love you, doctor Sky. Everybody go for your dreams.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I can I add something to that, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting because so often people say, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, the Earth is this lonely little sphere in
Speaker 4: the middle of the vast universe. Well, in fact, the
Speaker 4: universe and the Earth are hugely connected. We're connected to
Speaker 4: the stars in many, many ways. For example, when a
Speaker 4: supernova goes off in a distant part of our galaxy
Speaker 4: and eventually the galactic cosmic rays get to Earth, they
Speaker 4: ionize air molecules to produce clouds, and the clouds cool
Speaker 4: the Earth. So Earth's climate, believe it or not, is
Speaker 4: partly controlled by supernovas hundreds of light years away. So
Speaker 4: we're actually part of a very dynamic and very much
Speaker 4: involved universe. It's very much evolving. And you know, I
Speaker 4: love that little intro you had to this section of
Speaker 4: the program. Yeah, there's a scientist I worked with. He's
Speaker 4: an anthropologist, and he's largely an anthropologist of the future.
Speaker 4: He looks at where is humankind going in space? Okay,
Speaker 4: what impact will I have on our consciousness? What impact
Speaker 4: will it have on the universe? And you know, he's
Speaker 4: also one of these people who say that humankind, our sentience,
Speaker 4: is the way in which the universe comes to know itself,
Speaker 4: because otherwise, if there's no other sentience, although that doesn't
Speaker 4: seem probable, then the universe is just a dead sort
Speaker 4: of existence. But as we move into space, he maintains.
Speaker 4: This is doctor Charles Laughlan, an anthropologist. He's currently living
Speaker 4: in Washington State. He's told me, he says, look, we're
Speaker 4: going to see a massive evolution of consciousness where people
Speaker 4: will change they'll come to respect their environment more because
Speaker 4: of course they'll come to appreciate how special the Earth is.
Speaker 4: And that was one of the main impacts on the
Speaker 4: Apollo astronauts, Edgar Mitchell in particular.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, it's interesting. We have many as we
Speaker 3: or to their rejoiner. We've put together a number of
Speaker 3: these and you'll hear them throughout the various shows that
Speaker 3: we do. The voice is great, but the concept of
Speaker 3: what it's talking about is we're all stardust, and every
Speaker 3: molecule and every atom in our body is simply that,
Speaker 3: as you're explaining so hopefully right, maybe someday we'll learn
Speaker 3: to all get along. Maybe war, Yeah, craziness will be
Speaker 3: something of the past.
Speaker 5: Well, that's right.
Speaker 4: And there's something they call the founder effect. And this
Speaker 4: is so cool. I got to tell you. I know
Speaker 4: it's not climate but it's no go ahead.
Speaker 3: We're going to have an open forum on that. In
Speaker 3: many ways, this is not just yeah into one time.
Speaker 4: Well, the kind of people they choose to go into
Speaker 4: space are people who are very cooperative, they can work
Speaker 4: together well in a group, they're intelligent, they're healthy. This
Speaker 4: is a special group of people. So as they move
Speaker 4: into space. They'll be establishing colonies with the very best
Speaker 4: of humanity. Now, the interesting thing is that when their
Speaker 4: children grow up, they of course will be spacelings. They'll
Speaker 4: be used to living in space, and they'll be the
Speaker 4: ones that expand out further. But there's something interesting in evolution,
Speaker 4: and this is an interesting feature that anthropologists know about.
Speaker 4: It's called punctuated equilibrium. You know, if you keep everybody
Speaker 4: in one mixing pot, you don't see evolution happen very quickly,
Speaker 4: either in consciousness or biological But when you have a
Speaker 4: small group of in this case, very healthy, very cooperative,
Speaker 4: very intelligent people move into a new environment, they change
Speaker 4: quite quickly because they have to learn to adapt to
Speaker 4: the new environment. They learn new characteristics, learn new ways
Speaker 4: of thinking, and then they influence the people, the population
Speaker 4: from which they came. And you see that all through history,
Speaker 4: you know, biological and geological history, you see that this
Speaker 4: punctuated equilibrium has stability. You know, all of the particular
Speaker 4: species stay in a particular ecosystem and they don't evolve
Speaker 4: very quickly. But then some brave ones go off and
Speaker 4: learn new things and evolve quickly to adapt to a
Speaker 4: new environment. Then influenced the whole. So what Lachlin is
Speaker 4: saying is we're going to see a big advancement to
Speaker 4: human consciousness and generating all sorts of things that we
Speaker 4: need today, such as the ability to be cooperative instead
Speaker 4: of fighting each other. We're going to see this accentuated
Speaker 4: and evolution of consciousness as we move into the cosmo.
Speaker 4: So it's much it's much more than spinoffs. I'll tell
Speaker 4: you that.
Speaker 3: Well, Tom, what you said is true and again not
Speaker 3: you know, not kissing up here. But to be reality wise,
Speaker 3: as you talked about before, it's important to listen to
Speaker 3: those that disagree with us and the late, you know,
Speaker 3: the late, the sad you know, death almost a year away,
Speaker 3: a year from now, are saying, time wise, of Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 3: what did he do? He sat and listened to people,
Speaker 3: tried to be you know, open minded and the critical thinking,
Speaker 3: even the worst of the worst. But the point is
Speaker 3: maybe that's a step toward humankind, maybe trying to reach
Speaker 3: some goals that we're talking about here, not only in
Speaker 3: the climate world, but as we explore other civilizations or
Speaker 3: other locations in the solar system. We of course want
Speaker 3: to be optimistic about it tomorrow night as we shift
Speaker 3: ears on the Doctor Sky Experience, we have some other
Speaker 3: interesting guests we're going to talk about in detail. I'll
Speaker 3: leave that to later in the program to tell you
Speaker 3: who it is. We're going to be talking about individuals
Speaker 3: that are in the privatized area of space and the
Speaker 3: building of different rockets, and they are on the right
Speaker 3: path because so many of these young entrepreneurs are doing
Speaker 3: amazing things that NASA couldn't achieve even though they did
Speaker 3: great things. We'll be speaking for two hours with an
Speaker 3: individual who's looking to put space mirrors up above the
Speaker 3: Earth beaming down the sunlight to certain regions on the Earth,
Speaker 3: and of course there's controversy in that too. But stay
Speaker 3: tuned tomorrow night on the Doctor Sky Experience as we
Speaker 3: move upward and outward talking about space, capitalism and the
Speaker 3: privatized side of the discussion. We'll be right back with
Speaker 3: your questions and comments. We see Melvin in Indianapolis, Martin
Speaker 3: and Upstate New York and Robert and Philadelphia and you
Speaker 3: as there's plenty of seats in sun the Theater of
Speaker 3: the Mind one eight hundred eight four eight nine two
Speaker 3: two two. We will be right back.
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Speaker 9: Hi.
Speaker 7: This is Mark Brano, author of The Great Reset, Global Elitia.
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Speaker 3: The fool do not think he is wise, but the
Speaker 3: wise man knows himself to be a fool. That a
Speaker 3: quote from Shakespeare's comedic play As You Like It. For
Speaker 3: many in the entire world to think they have all
Speaker 3: the answers, but they may not. It's also known as
Speaker 3: the Dunning Krueger effect. As we continue at forty eight
Speaker 3: minutes after the hour, Tom Harris joins us for the
Speaker 3: entire show. That is two hours. The executive director the
Speaker 3: International Climate Science Coalation. Thank you and welcome back.
Speaker 13: Tom.
Speaker 3: Let's continue with the callers. Line three. Melvin in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3: You're on the air.
Speaker 13: How are you, Doctor Sky. I want to talk about
Speaker 13: natural solar energy.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 13: When I was in third grade, I learned that the
Speaker 13: sunlight hits the leaf of a tree, and the sunlight
Speaker 13: gives nourishment to the leaf, so the leaf can make
Speaker 13: nourishment for the tree. So the sap that goes up
Speaker 13: and down. The tree is like the blood for the tree,
Speaker 13: and the solar energy that goes to the leaf goes
Speaker 13: into the sap. That energy makes the tree grow. I
Speaker 13: learned that in third grade. Forty years later. You get
Speaker 13: a chainsaw, you chop the tree down, and you make
Speaker 13: a little bonfire in the back of the house and
Speaker 13: you get a stick of some marshmallows and you cook
Speaker 13: some moas with the wood that's spurling. When you stay
Speaker 13: by the fire, you feel the heat of the fire.
Speaker 13: That heat of the fire is solar energy. Tree is
Speaker 13: a battery that stored the energy for forty years. When
Speaker 13: you like the match, you're now releasing the energy that
Speaker 13: was stored for forty years. Well said solar energy.
Speaker 3: Right, It's like a kinetic thing. But Tom, this is
Speaker 3: interesting what Melvin brings up. It's a whole process, and
Speaker 3: this process from solar energy in solar particles light continues.
Speaker 3: Describe that to Melvin, because I think he said it
Speaker 3: better than I could ever say it.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he did, he said it very well. When
Speaker 4: sunlight hits the leaf, it triggers of sensitives, which is
Speaker 4: energy obserption. And it's interesting because what they have are
Speaker 4: green pigments in chloroplasts which catch the light energy and
Speaker 4: it stores it. I mean, you're totally right, and in fact,
Speaker 4: the same things with coal, and you know they're basically
Speaker 4: a battery from millions of years ago when the plants
Speaker 4: were growing that eventually turned into coal. So yeah, we
Speaker 4: actually have solar power when we burn our fireplace.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Melvin, appreciate the excellence. We need more like that,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you. Hope you'll continue to be part
Speaker 3: of our theater of the mine. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Let's continue to go to line number two. We say
Speaker 3: good morning to Martin and upstate New York. You're on
Speaker 3: with Tom Harris. Good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Good morning, doctor Sky. I don't know how you move
Speaker 6: down there over one hundred degrees.
Speaker 3: You say, well, it was one hundred and six when
Speaker 3: we started the show, and that is we're a three
Speaker 3: hour time difference. We're on. I know, to figure this out.
Speaker 3: It's even crazy. Arizona doesn't go on daylight Saving time,
Speaker 3: so we're California time. So it was three hours. We
Speaker 3: were at one hundred and six and I haven't checked
Speaker 3: lately what it is, but you kind of get used
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 6: You don't do that daylight saving time, that's independence. Don't
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 12: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: Well, there's going to be big changes coming. I think
Speaker 3: if the Senate approves the bill that passed the House,
Speaker 3: you're going to hear some amazing things come about that.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are against it because they don't
Speaker 3: want little children out there in the dark and other
Speaker 3: times of the year. But please continue to work early.
Speaker 6: In the morning. I worked early in the morning. I
Speaker 6: like to have a go back to stay in her
Speaker 6: time when I was working outside. And uh. And I
Speaker 6: would rather work in the cold than the than the
Speaker 6: heat of the summer. It's hot enough in New York.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I tell you.
Speaker 3: And tomorrow we're supposed to be at one eighteen. How
Speaker 3: about that, Martin oh Jee.
Speaker 6: Anyway, doctor doctor Harris or Tom Harris. Tom Harris, you
Speaker 6: even to know what you're he seems to know what
Speaker 6: he's talking about. And uh. In my opinion, my personal
Speaker 6: opinion is that man made climate change is sort of
Speaker 6: a gateway lot that the globalists used. If they could
Speaker 6: sell you on man made climate change, they could. If
Speaker 6: you would buy that lie, then you believe in uh.
Speaker 6: Men can be women you could believe in.
Speaker 3: Uh, or the next vaccine, right, the next vaccine that
Speaker 3: you better take, right right, Martin, that would be it.
Speaker 3: The next vaccine that you must take because we know
Speaker 3: better than you. But that's another subject.
Speaker 6: They know better than all of us. Oh yeah, they
Speaker 6: tell us what the like man Dammy in New York,
Speaker 6: in New York City. Thankfully, I don't live in New
Speaker 6: York City. I'm upstate, so but I hear all about him. Uh,
Speaker 6: he knows better than everybody else. It's incredible. I mean,
Speaker 6: I can't believe these people. I can't. You know what,
Speaker 6: when I was in school, there was a there was
Speaker 6: a sort of an artist depiction of the Cretatious period,
Speaker 6: the Jurassic period, with with the with the flora and
Speaker 6: the creatures that exist. So you've got a sense of
Speaker 6: the climate at the time, you know, and you've got
Speaker 6: a sense of climate change Shahn, climate changed over time,
Speaker 6: you know. And I bet you today they don't even
Speaker 6: teach that in school. They just tell you in school.
Speaker 3: Well when you got Martin, no, I hear you loud
Speaker 3: and clear. But why don't we jump in before Tom?
Speaker 3: Want to give Tom a fair chance at you know,
Speaker 3: responding here. But that's why I continue when we talk
Speaker 3: about our American exceptionalism concepts, because you know, I did military,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people did. I did some law enforcement,
Speaker 3: a lot of people did. But here not to be
Speaker 3: on a soapbox. I believe so strongly in the concept
Speaker 3: of truth justice in the American way, even though I
Speaker 3: go into the realms of science. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I say, I'm against anything, and I think Tom would agree.
Speaker 3: You've said it pretty clearly, Martin. Anything that takes away
Speaker 3: freedom and liberties from individuals, I'm one hundred percent against,
Speaker 3: and I would think you would agree. But Tom, let's
Speaker 3: jump into that. I think Martin makes some really good
Speaker 3: points there about what's happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's right when he said it's a gateway drug
Speaker 4: climate change. I mean, obviously we cause a small amount
Speaker 4: of climate change. And you know it's interesting, William Haffer,
Speaker 4: He's put out papers that show that with a doubling
Speaker 4: of CO two, you know, you're not talking about a
Speaker 4: very large temperature change, perhaps a degree over a century.
Speaker 4: But you know, the interesting thing is that the consequences
Speaker 4: of the climate scare are that the government can control
Speaker 4: more and more of society. And one of the best
Speaker 4: examples is fifteen minute cities. You know, in Oxford, England,
Speaker 4: they just went nuts on this fifteen minute city. You
Speaker 4: get a fine if you go from one part of
Speaker 4: the city to another with a car unless you've had
Speaker 4: a certain you know, if you've gone more than your
Speaker 4: share of times. They want to restrict air flights, you know,
Speaker 4: they don't want anybody to fly, of course, except for
Speaker 4: the delegates to go to the massive climate conferences, which
Speaker 4: is a bit ironic.
Speaker 13: But the whole.
Speaker 4: Climate thing is is driving a reduction in our freedom.
Speaker 4: And I'll give you another example. For example, if you
Speaker 4: force and solar power on society, the only way that
Speaker 4: you can make it work is if you have massive
Speaker 4: government subsidy. So what it means is that government becomes
Speaker 4: in charge of your energy infrastructure. You know, if you
Speaker 4: have coal, for example, you don't need any government subsidy.
Speaker 4: It's a solid energy source. We have, you know, hundreds
Speaker 4: of years of coal ahead of us to use if
Speaker 4: we use proper pollution control. It's a very clean source
Speaker 4: as well. We don't need government control of coal. It
Speaker 4: is just a great source. Same thing with oil and
Speaker 4: natural gas and nuclear. It requires a lot more government
Speaker 4: support because the cost is huge, and of course it
Speaker 4: requires decades to build up proper nuclear infrastructure. But yeah,
Speaker 4: you're right. I mean it removes freedom. That's one of
Speaker 4: the main consequences of the climate scare in so many ways.
Speaker 3: Well, Martin, I appreciate you and thanks for being part
Speaker 3: of our show spot on on the subject matters, because
Speaker 3: again I believe deeper than what we're talking about here
Speaker 3: when we talk about science, which is our main topics.
Speaker 3: You know, the sky and they're the wonders of the universe,
Speaker 3: learning something new each week. I hope is that freedom
Speaker 3: and liberty don't take it away from me, and certainly
Speaker 3: not to have the people out there listening have that
Speaker 3: taken away. We could get into other side, you know.
Speaker 3: Tangential is the word conversations, But for now, I just
Speaker 3: want to mention something before we go to the top
Speaker 3: of the hour. If we don't get Robert and Philadelphia,
Speaker 3: Tony in New Jersey, Jim and the Catskills, and Frank
Speaker 3: and the Bronx on obviously during this short first hour,
Speaker 3: if they're kind enough to stay on the line, we'll
Speaker 3: do everything we can to get you on the air.
Speaker 1: So tom.
Speaker 3: One of the major things is this big CO two myth,
Speaker 3: and I think you were alluding to some sort of
Speaker 3: a video and tell us about that, because the lengthy
Speaker 3: part of that, people should watch the video to learn
Speaker 3: the truth over history about how CO two is not
Speaker 3: this toxic gas that's going to wipe out the earth,
Speaker 3: quite the opposite.
Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, exactly. Martin Dirkin who originally wrote he was
Speaker 4: the director of the film The Great Global Warming Swindle.
Speaker 4: I believe it was back in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 4: and boy that gesure raised a lot of hackles, but
Speaker 4: it was a really excellent film. Quite frankly, he's come
Speaker 4: out with this new one on CO two and there's
Speaker 4: on the Gorilla News network when he works with this
Speaker 4: particular group really soon he's an astrophysicist, he works with
Speaker 4: them as well. They've put out a really excellent video
Speaker 4: and people should go to I believe it's called Gorilla News.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly, but the bottom line is this
Speaker 4: video is wonderful and he shows the statistics. He shows
Speaker 4: how you know, the temperature now is actually lower than
Speaker 4: it's been for most of our history, and CO two
Speaker 4: is also lower than it's being for most of our
Speaker 4: history and that the two do not go up and
Speaker 4: down together. And Martin Dirkin shows us extremely.
Speaker 3: Well interesting so much more with Tom Harris, executive director
Speaker 3: of the International Climate Science Coalition Coalition, excuse me talking
Speaker 3: with us, not at us, about so many of the
Speaker 3: things that are happening in the world of climate. He
Speaker 3: talks about climate realism. Just so as we end our
Speaker 3: number one, we want to make sure that we're not
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Speaker 3: Number four. He's been patient. Robert and Philadelphia, Good morning
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 14: How you doing so hy Doctor skuy is always is
Speaker 14: good to talk to you. Loving the show as always,
Speaker 14: and I really appreciate the great guests you get, Like
Speaker 14: mister Harris, I had a couple questions, well, a quick
Speaker 14: question and then a forward looking question. My quick question
Speaker 14: is what are CO two levels now and at what
Speaker 14: level do plants start to die? Number one, because I've
Speaker 14: always thought we needed more COO too myself. But the
Speaker 14: second question is you were mentioning the interglacial period that
Speaker 14: we're in, and I'm wondering if maybe human activity might
Speaker 14: alter a small dynamic or future technology might be employed
Speaker 14: to forestall or mitigate the next ice.
Speaker 4: Aid Wow, yeah, yeah, really good questions.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right now, we're just over four hundred and twenty parts
Speaker 4: per million. That's still a trace gas. That's very, very small.
Speaker 4: But if you get down to as low as one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty, that's when plants start to die. We
Speaker 4: got very close to that during the last glacial period.
Speaker 4: It got down to about one hundred and eighty parts
Speaker 4: per million. So, you know, it's interesting because Patrick Moore,
Speaker 4: who was one of the founders of Greenpeace, he changed sides.
Speaker 4: He's now on our board of directors. Believe it or not.
Speaker 4: But doctor Moore, he has a PhD in ecology. He
Speaker 4: actually shows that CO two levels have been dropping gradually
Speaker 4: over millions of years, and if humans had not come
Speaker 4: along and started to liberate CO two with fossil fuels
Speaker 4: and cement production, he says that we would have seen
Speaker 4: the end of life on Earth because if you follow
Speaker 4: the trajectory down until we started to increase it, it
Speaker 4: was heading to below one hundred and fifty parts per million.
Speaker 4: That wouldn't happen tomorrow, But he says he says we
Speaker 4: saved life on Earth because the natural cycle was bringing
Speaker 4: it down to one hundred and fifty or lower in
Speaker 4: the not too distant future. So yeah, CO two is
Speaker 4: you know, at times in the past it was one
Speaker 4: thousand percent of today's levels, so we're still very low
Speaker 4: in comparison with most of ours history.
Speaker 3: What was your other question, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 12: It was whether or not current human activity might be
Speaker 12: lot for one of the dynamics, or if future human
Speaker 12: technology might be used to first all the interglacial period.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good point. In fact, it's interesting
Speaker 4: that you know various scientists Zella covid s out of England,
Speaker 4: she's originally Russian, and others, let's see, out of the
Speaker 4: Polkovo Observatory, Abducemotov. These people are saying that we're actually
Speaker 4: headed into global cooling because of cycles of the Sun,
Speaker 4: and at around twenty sixty we're going to see a
Speaker 4: cooling era, but because of our CO two emissions causing
Speaker 4: some warming, it probably won't be as severe as it
Speaker 4: was during the seventeen hundreds when we had a solar
Speaker 4: minimum vent as well. But looking even further to the future,
Speaker 4: the speculation is that our CO two emissions may delay
Speaker 4: the onset of the next glacial period. So that's a
Speaker 4: very very that's a very good thing. Trying to stop
Speaker 4: the glacials entirely is going to be maybe impossible, because
Speaker 4: they're driven by something called Melankovitch cycles, which are changes
Speaker 4: in the orbit of the Earth, the tilt of our
Speaker 4: planet's access axis, and of course there's wobble. So what
Speaker 4: you end up with is this hundred thousand year cycle
Speaker 4: that we're currently in between glacial and inner glacial, and
Speaker 4: that's being affected by the orbit of the Earth and
Speaker 4: the way the Earth moves on its axis. So I
Speaker 4: don't think we're anywhere use to being able to affect
Speaker 4: it in the long term.
Speaker 3: And I think Robert, to add to this what Thom
Speaker 3: is saying, look up the terms nutation and procession. These
Speaker 3: are astronomical terms which we don't go into in great
Speaker 3: detail for the lack of time, but they're also indicative
Speaker 3: as you're telling about these, Malanka, it's the cycles all
Speaker 3: things in the heavens, this whole thing of celestial mechanics.
Speaker 3: The Earth's orbit is not the most perfectly circular of
Speaker 3: all the planets Venus as that, but there's many other changes,
Speaker 3: but Robert, more important than what I just said. Thank
Speaker 3: you for being part of our show. You always bring
Speaker 3: something interesting and we're all trying to learn something new.
Speaker 3: So thank you, my friend. I have a good weekend.
Speaker 14: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Let's continue on. We go to line number one. Tony
Speaker 3: and Clifton, New Jersey. She's a regular caller, Tony, Good
Speaker 3: morning to you. How you doing.
Speaker 15: Hi, that's the sky you know when you when you
Speaker 15: gentlemen were talking about global warming. The first thing that
Speaker 15: popped into my mind, and I want your comments on this,
Speaker 15: both you and your guest, is first of all, you know,
Speaker 15: heating was discovered. This is what it says on my
Speaker 15: age on my computer one point nine million years ago
Speaker 15: and forty two thousand years ago, people would do the
Speaker 15: hearts style heating, you know, and they put it in
Speaker 15: a heart. Air conditioning, on the other hand, was discovered
Speaker 15: in nineteen oh two, and then I remember as I
Speaker 15: was growing up well before that. In the twenties and thirties,
Speaker 15: it became more popular for the homes and then by
Speaker 15: the seventies everybody had it. So there must be something
Speaker 15: to why it took so long to get air aditioning.
Speaker 15: If everybody was so hot.
Speaker 3: Well, it's Onny, not to cut you short. We'll talk Phoenix.
Speaker 3: I didn't believe this. I'm a native New Yorker and
Speaker 3: I lived out here for about thirty seven years, and
Speaker 3: I asked people, I said, why did they start stowing
Speaker 3: air conditioners? And the person said, here's what we did.
Speaker 3: And this is now talking about sixty years ago. Maybe
Speaker 3: people didn't have a lot of money. Let's say they
Speaker 3: took wet sheets and towels or big bedspreads, you know,
Speaker 3: they wet them and they hung them over the side
Speaker 3: of their homes, over their patios, and people would sleep
Speaker 3: out there and if any breeze came through with that
Speaker 3: moisture in there, that was there. That was their conditioning.
Speaker 3: But you bring up some good points, tom, Not to
Speaker 3: steal your thunder on this. Tony always brings up some
Speaker 3: good points.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean humanity has lived through hot periods,
Speaker 4: you know, for many times. In fact, the Medieval warm
Speaker 4: period was warmer, the Roman warm period was warmer. You know,
Speaker 4: it's cold that we really have to worry about. If
Speaker 4: you look at history, that's when it was in fact,
Speaker 4: you know, famine and wars and all sorts of things came.
Speaker 4: They actually did a study recently in the UK was
Speaker 4: published in the Lancet, the Medical Journal, and they looked
Speaker 4: at millions of deaths across the world, through many countries,
Speaker 4: many climates, and they found that twenty times more people
Speaker 4: die from the cold than from the heat. So if
Speaker 4: we get a bit of warming, which we probably will
Speaker 4: because CO two is rising and it causes a little
Speaker 4: bit of warming, that's actually a very good thing.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing, also, Tony, is that the warming is
Speaker 4: forecast to happen most in the Arctic at night in
Speaker 4: the winter. So what that means is that instead of
Speaker 4: being a minus eighty, it's going to be minus seventy
Speaker 4: five in the very coldest parts of the earths. And
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a bad thing, quite frankly.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Tony. Thank you always bring up some good points here,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you as being a regular caller to
Speaker 3: the doctor's going to experience. You have a good weekend.
Speaker 3: Let's continue. We're being inundated, and that's a good thing
Speaker 3: in the theater of the mind. Right to Tom. Let's
Speaker 3: continue line number three gymsmen patient and he's in the catskills.
Speaker 12: How are you this morning bag?
Speaker 7: Leaving doctor s Guy and Tom. Two things. One's the
Speaker 7: thought that I've had for a long time. What the
Speaker 7: second one actually concerns me a lot, But anyway, the
Speaker 7: first one is how come they can't have perpetually charging
Speaker 7: electric vehicle with say, alternators on each wheel and a
Speaker 7: solar paddel on the roof that constantly charges the battery.
Speaker 3: Interesting, I never thought of that.
Speaker 4: Wow, well you need an incredibly you need an incredibly
Speaker 4: big solar panel, that's for sure. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4: We bought some solar panels to charge a battery that
Speaker 4: we have. We have one hundred pounds lefium ion battery
Speaker 4: and it's great. It runs your refrigerator for something like
Speaker 4: seven days. But the bottom line is we have to
Speaker 4: have oh gosh, it must be about twenty square feet
Speaker 4: of solar panels to charge it in the course of
Speaker 4: a day. I mean, so if you're trying to run
Speaker 4: a car with solar power, you'd probably have to have
Speaker 4: a solar panel about twenty times bigger than the car.
Speaker 4: So I think it would be pretty cumbersome.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny, Jim, we had a Tesla at one time.
Speaker 3: One of the earlier models. I think it was I
Speaker 3: don't know when S Tesla S or something. And the
Speaker 3: reason we didn't like it the seats in the car,
Speaker 3: not the knock Tesla that at the time, they just
Speaker 3: weren't as comfortable as other seats. But here's the point
Speaker 3: that car. Look how long it took to charge it, right,
Speaker 3: tom Right, It's amazing. I wonder does anybody have any
Speaker 3: information on how quickly you can now charge these evs,
Speaker 3: because again it's not as quick as putting you know,
Speaker 3: liquid fuel gasoline in your car. I wonder any idea
Speaker 3: time have these batteries improved that they're recycled time recharge.
Speaker 4: They've improved a little bit. But you know, one of
Speaker 4: the major problems is it takes so much longer to
Speaker 4: charge an electric vehicle than it does to just fill
Speaker 4: up with gasoline. They're going to actually have big problems
Speaker 4: with respect to the area required for charging stations. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, a car goes in and five minutes later
Speaker 4: they drive out their full tank of gas and they
Speaker 4: continue their trip. If you have to go into a
Speaker 4: place and charge for it, say half an hour to
Speaker 4: an hour, then you're going to need massive areas to cover,
Speaker 4: you know, parts of cities to charge cars. They're just
Speaker 4: gonna be sitting there for a long time. And so
Speaker 4: in fact, we did we did an analysis for Ottawa
Speaker 4: and found that there simply isn't enough space in the
Speaker 4: city to have all these cars sitting there charging because
Speaker 4: it doesn't take five minutes to charge like gasoline. You
Speaker 4: taken a half hour to an hour. So you have
Speaker 4: to have massive, massive parking lots of charging vehicles all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jim and the catskills that follow up from you.
Speaker 3: You've been patient and thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3: Please continue. I guess he's not there. Well, let's continue
Speaker 3: line number five. The callers continue to come into the
Speaker 3: theater of the mind. Frank and the Bronx. You've been patient,
Speaker 3: Good morning, how are you Hey.
Speaker 16: I'm trying, Nay, Paris, I love you, look for yourself.
Speaker 16: Come on, dame cool comments. Okay, you know it's here.
Speaker 16: Uh well, Earth, there's a turn into genius by the
Speaker 16: bye to work or if you don't have a less
Speaker 16: of call. But no always so allo, cause create more
Speaker 16: common block side than common goot side than guess because
Speaker 16: you have to burn coal to create the electricity while
Speaker 16: they say that.
Speaker 3: Well, how practical is the whole thing? You're right, You're right, Frank,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know all these evs. I'm not against evs,
Speaker 3: it's just that I think the problem is the power drain.
Speaker 3: Look at the data centers. Oh god, right, town, don't
Speaker 3: talk about data centers. Right now, there's water revolution of sorts,
Speaker 3: maybe with a capital small are where people are revolting
Speaker 3: in data centers because look what it's doing, not only
Speaker 3: taking up the amount of the grid, and it's also
Speaker 3: putting in the necessity which is so precious. And we're
Speaker 3: talking here in the West. Now, let me not be selfish.
Speaker 3: Water is an important thing to everyone. I guess up
Speaker 3: in Canada you're also concerned about water and if the
Speaker 3: electric rates are so high. And look at the state
Speaker 3: of New Jersey, if I'm correct, on this time before
Speaker 3: the current governor was elected, that whole gubernatorial campaign, so
Speaker 3: many people were just stressed out, and rightfully so, about
Speaker 3: how electric rates raising in New Jersey. But what about
Speaker 3: other states? Right, It's a very interesting subject that we
Speaker 3: were talking about here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. Just on the first part of that.
Speaker 4: You know, the head of Tyota told the Japanese government
Speaker 4: that if they converted more and more to electric vehicles,
Speaker 4: they'd eventually get to the point where they cause blackouts
Speaker 4: across the country. That they simply could they could not convert,
Speaker 4: you know, major part of the automobile industry to electric
Speaker 4: vehicles because they just simply wasn't enough electricity. And this
Speaker 4: is the you know, the head of Tiota, who actually
Speaker 4: have a very strong vested interest of course in being
Speaker 4: able to sell their evs, and they said, look to
Speaker 4: look government, it's it's not possible. You can't convert to
Speaker 4: evs because there's not enough power. You know, you'd have
Speaker 4: to build nuclear stations all over the place to make electricity.
Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate you, Frank, thank you for bringing some
Speaker 3: common sense points here to the audience in the theater
Speaker 3: of the mine the Doctors Guy Experience Line number two.
Speaker 3: George in West Eastern County. Good morning, You're on the
Speaker 3: air with Tom Harris. How are you doing this morning.
Speaker 17: Doctor Sky and mister Harris. This show rocks the house.
Speaker 17: You guys are unbelievable and I just like to not
Speaker 17: really I love this kind of stuff. But the thing is,
Speaker 17: first of all, let me just throw a name out
Speaker 17: that's never mentioned. What about Bruce astronaut Bruce mccanvas the
Speaker 17: second and what he did forty two years ago?
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, we did that little man maneuvering unit. And
Speaker 3: he was the only astronaut at least that I remember
Speaker 3: that actually was away from the shuttle under the power
Speaker 3: of this little robotic chair. I guess if you want
Speaker 3: to call it that, But your spot on there, continue on.
Speaker 3: This is interesting.
Speaker 17: He had a steel set. But anyway, guys, the technology
Speaker 17: we have, we put people on the moon, we all
Speaker 17: our technology is always number one. But I just wonder,
Speaker 17: because when America becomes a third world country, We're not
Speaker 17: going to have this technology. This is going to be
Speaker 17: scrapped to the side. You take a guy like Elon
Speaker 17: muh scared. Everybody loves him in this audience. He voted
Speaker 17: for Trump in twenty four but he voted for Joe
Speaker 17: Biden in twenty twenty. And he also has a big
Speaker 17: auto plant in China. To me, he's like a political
Speaker 17: free agent.
Speaker 9: But they don't realize when when a musk, when not musk,
Speaker 9: but when Omar and courties and all of them and
Speaker 9: to leave become really the most powerful people in the
Speaker 9: country through the Third World were not these programs.
Speaker 17: Are all going to be scrapped, private and public. They're
Speaker 17: going to go after everybody. They and talking about colonized
Speaker 17: and America will be colonized.
Speaker 14: By the Third World.
Speaker 17: If you ain't seen nothing yet, that's.
Speaker 3: Well, you're giving me, you're giving us some information. But
Speaker 3: God help, you're scaring us, because let me tell you,
Speaker 3: it could happen if people don't wake up. But let
Speaker 3: me go over to Tom for a response on that,
Speaker 3: if he wants and wants to respond. But you're right
Speaker 3: on you know, we want to make sure we keep
Speaker 3: American exceptionalism. But then again, your response, if you have one, Tom,
Speaker 3: to what was talked about by George.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. I was watching a Musk interviews just
Speaker 4: a few hours ago, and and he's said, you know,
Speaker 4: he's very much concerned that America is going to change
Speaker 4: when you bring in so many cultures they're antithetical to
Speaker 4: Western civilization. And you know, this has nothing to do
Speaker 4: with our climate topic. But but I think you know
Speaker 4: it's it's a real concern. Are we going to see
Speaker 4: the United States become like Iran? I mean, if you
Speaker 4: bring in more and more people who believe in the
Speaker 4: things that are in or at least the leaders that
Speaker 4: Iran believe in. You change the society. And you know,
Speaker 4: it's interesting because and again this is nothing to do
Speaker 4: with the climate.
Speaker 6: There's a couple of.
Speaker 4: Cities in the United States. I believe it's Dearborn, where
Speaker 4: they now have a majority of Muslims. Of Muslims, that's right,
Speaker 4: And and they're renaming streets after you know, various famous
Speaker 4: Muslim people who in one case, he was actually in
Speaker 4: supportive a mass. And it was interesting because the mayor
Speaker 4: held the community community meeting and a white pastor stood
Speaker 4: up and said, look, I don't want my street it's
Speaker 4: named after this character who supports a mass. And the
Speaker 4: mayor apparently told yeah, And the mayor told him, you know,
Speaker 4: you are now in the minority. You are not welcome
Speaker 4: in this city. I'll have a parade the day you leave.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: The interesting thing and that was reporting is a trite
Speaker 4: free press and all over there.
Speaker 3: This spreads to Canada. Look, we don't want sharia law
Speaker 3: in our town. We've covered this when I did shows
Speaker 3: long long time ago on a thing called a caul
Speaker 3: to rights. I mean, obviously I couldn't be more pro America.
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody else that's pro America. You're my brother
Speaker 3: or sister. But the reality is what was brought about
Speaker 3: by George is that maybe somehow in this country we'll
Speaker 3: realize that this is definitely you take away my freedom
Speaker 3: and my liberty, and these are the two most important things.
Speaker 3: In other words, we're free, at least that's what we think.
Speaker 3: And well, liberty, you know, the freedom to make decisions.
Speaker 3: We don't want any of these large corporations. We don't
Speaker 3: want any of these large you know, massive data surges
Speaker 3: like China has what a credit score, not a credit
Speaker 3: score financially, but a personal you know, come on, enough
Speaker 3: is enough. But my words are not going to do
Speaker 3: much other than people getting together. So George and Westchester,
Speaker 3: you bring up the same theme, which is a positive one.
Speaker 3: But do we want to stay on measure Let's continue
Speaker 3: before the half hour runs out Line four. Anthony and
Speaker 3: Long Island. You've been patient and you're on with Tom Harris.
Speaker 4: Good morning, gentlemen.
Speaker 18: The elephant in the room, respectfully, our aging fleet of
Speaker 18: nuclear reactors were designed so long ago, and it was
Speaker 18: when they were licensed they were to be shut down
Speaker 18: by nineteen ninety six, and the waste stored in the
Speaker 18: Yuka Mountain, well, Yuka Mountain has been being done an
Speaker 18: unsafe repository for this waste, so they no longer have
Speaker 18: or go to place to place it. And all these
Speaker 18: reactors have to upload a third of the fuel rods
Speaker 18: that are in them now to maintain their functionality. So
Speaker 18: thereby they have been storing all this waste in the
Speaker 18: holding pools that are supposed to be for the waste
Speaker 18: that are in the the transfer stage. So we have
Speaker 18: actually incrementally increased the waste. And then the breached reactors
Speaker 18: burn six hundred times hotter than the sun. So what
Speaker 18: effect is that having on the Goldilocks zone of planet Earth?
Speaker 18: Because they knew Oppenheimer, Einstein, they all wrote that this
Speaker 18: is a horrible thing to do to our genome. And
Speaker 18: if for one reactor breaches containment with a meltdown, life
Speaker 18: on Earth is done. And that you're spot on an
Speaker 18: is dumping radioactive water into the ocean as we be.
Speaker 3: Tom your response on this one from Anthony, he's definitely
Speaker 3: on target with this, but at an environmental issue. But
Speaker 3: it's a climate and you know, it's just a safe
Speaker 3: haven thing that he's talking about. What do you say
Speaker 3: about that? I mean, he brings up some very very
Speaker 3: powerful things about nuclear waste. Where does it go? What
Speaker 3: do we do with it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. There was a study called the Seaborne
Speaker 4: Commission study in cana where they were considering putting nuclear
Speaker 4: waste a mile underground in cased in concrete in the
Speaker 4: Canadian shield. Now, this is a huge pluton. It's a
Speaker 4: massive geologic formation that hasn't moved in tens of millions
Speaker 4: of years. Now, the interesting thing is that you take
Speaker 4: a can do which is a Canadian reactor, you take
Speaker 4: their cand reactor bundle, and it's high level waste, and
Speaker 4: certainly it's dangerous, but it's only dangerous for about four
Speaker 4: hundred years. You can hold it in your hands after
Speaker 4: only four hundred years. So when people say, oh, it's
Speaker 4: dangerous for millions of years, they're talking about low level waste,
Speaker 4: which is not particularly dangerous in the first place. So
Speaker 4: what we need is we need to put it into
Speaker 4: very solid, long duration storage, deep deep in the ground. Now,
Speaker 4: the sad thing is you say, well, why aren't we
Speaker 4: doing that already? I mean, we could be taking in
Speaker 4: American that's right, we could take an American nuclear waste
Speaker 4: and put it in the Canadian shield as well. But
Speaker 4: the reason was this. The study said that technically and
Speaker 4: scientifically and from an engineering point of view, this was
Speaker 4: super super safe because you only have to hold it
Speaker 4: for a blink of an eye in comparison with geologic time,
Speaker 4: during which time the shield has been very very stable.
Speaker 4: But they said it wasn't socially or politically safe because
Speaker 4: most people thought that it was dangerous. So it's sad
Speaker 4: that they haven't built it because of this politically correct
Speaker 4: view that somehow it would be dangerous to put waste. Well, hey,
Speaker 4: it's a lot more dangerous to leave it on the surface,
Speaker 4: you know, just like the caller was saying. So we've
Speaker 4: got to go ahead with this deep geologic storage because
Speaker 4: it is very very safe and certainly much safer than
Speaker 4: just leaving it on the surface. The only advantage of
Speaker 4: leaving on the surface is that someday we may be
Speaker 4: able to use it in breeder reactors, because you know,
Speaker 4: there's still lots of energy in that waste that can
Speaker 4: be extracted.
Speaker 3: No, it has to be something where education campaigns are
Speaker 3: very strong for people don't let them think that all
Speaker 3: nuclear is no good. But on the same light, what
Speaker 3: Anthony brought of this table and the theater of the
Speaker 3: mind is very profound because if you'll come out and
Speaker 3: I know where it is everybody seemingly knows in the
Speaker 3: Nevada desert, you know how much get that stuff can
Speaker 3: you pack into the ground because half lives of some
Speaker 3: of this stuff goes way beyond the ages that will live.
Speaker 3: But we have to be concerned about this. Let's not
Speaker 3: pollute the earth in that regard with anything like nuclear waste.
Speaker 3: Very interesting, We're running up at the end of what
Speaker 3: half of our number two already. Isn't that amazing time?
Speaker 3: How time flies and space time continuum. I just want
Speaker 3: to mention again you can get Tom's website by going
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Speaker 3: if I'd given it, just tell us specifically how to
Speaker 3: get to your articles.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sure, Americaoutloud dot news and that is a very exciting website.
Speaker 4: I mean, they have some really exceptional writers. I don't
Speaker 4: know if I'm in that I don't know if I'm
Speaker 4: in that category, but certainly if they go and they
Speaker 4: search authors, they'll see my name there, and you can
Speaker 4: see our radio shows and you can read my articles,
Speaker 4: and you know, the radio shows are great fun because
Speaker 4: we specifically called it the other side of the story,
Speaker 4: because we'd like to take issues and look at it
Speaker 4: from a different point of view.
Speaker 3: And it's good to listen to those, as you say,
Speaker 3: and it's not your you know, trademark quote, it's good
Speaker 3: to listen to people who don't agree with us, because
Speaker 3: how can you have critical thinking and dialogue if you
Speaker 3: do the other thing. We'll be right back here on
Speaker 3: the Doctor's Guy Experience, what we like to call the
Speaker 3: Theater of the Mind. And believe me, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: there's many seats that you still can come into the
Speaker 3: Theater of the Mind. One eight hundred and eight four
Speaker 3: eight nine two two two Carl in New Jersey. If
Speaker 3: you're kind enough to stay with us, we will get
Speaker 3: you back on the air. And Jim, I guess you're
Speaker 3: calling back on the Catskills. Sorry we cut you off,
Speaker 3: and I think you might have heard it. Tom. Maybe
Speaker 3: some solar interference on some of the phone lines snap,
Speaker 3: crackle and pop, but I think that's probably due to
Speaker 3: something out there in the cosmos. We'll be right back
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Speaker 10: Like travels billions of years just so we can watch
Speaker 10: a star say goodbye. But in this darkness, every end
Speaker 10: is just the beginning of something beautiful.
Speaker 3: We're all made at Stardust. Thirty two minutes after the hour,
Speaker 3: we continue with Tom Harris as we move on to
Speaker 3: the conclusion of number two, and we ask you kindly
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Speaker 3: line number whatever it is, and we wann see the
Speaker 3: line number. Let's go to Carl in New Jersey. Carl,
Speaker 3: you're on with Tom Harris. Thanks, good morning, Hello gentlemen.
Speaker 11: Regarding the area of energy sources of energy, what comes
Speaker 11: to mind is the research going on at the Large
Speaker 11: Livermore where they're able to produce more energy out than
Speaker 11: going in infusion process. And also MIT has a group
Speaker 11: working on colfusion. And also cars are being manufactured now
Speaker 11: that are running on hydrogen fuel cells, which means getting
Speaker 11: it for water.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, so that should be addressed in a big
Speaker 11: way and maybe some major fundings should go to some
Speaker 11: of these different sources of energy.
Speaker 16: This is.
Speaker 11: Not burning gasoline, so in that case, there's no problem
Speaker 11: with fossil fuels and things of that nature.
Speaker 3: Carl, I appreciate you. It's not your fault. We're hearing
Speaker 3: a little bit of static and a lot of the
Speaker 3: callers out there, but I think most of us can
Speaker 3: can at least hear the question. You're right, hydrogen is
Speaker 3: something Tom that weren't there a few cars, a couple
Speaker 3: of big manufacturers mainstream, you know, the major car manufacturers.
Speaker 3: Weren't they doing hydrogen cars and somehow it evaporated to
Speaker 3: my right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually it's interesting because when it's around freezing, you know,
Speaker 4: the byproduct of burning hydrogen of course is water, and
Speaker 4: so they found that it was actually slicking the highways
Speaker 4: with ice. So there are issues with hydrogen cars. And
Speaker 4: of course you have to make the hydrogen somehow. Typically,
Speaker 4: you know, they might associate water, they might you know,
Speaker 4: reform methane. That's a typical way of making hydrogen. But
Speaker 4: you know, I wanted to comment on Carl's point about
Speaker 4: the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. I mean, that is one
Speaker 4: of the biggest physics milestones of the century. I mean
Speaker 4: that is so so important, the Lawrence Livermore and National Laboratory.
Speaker 4: They're in the news because it's the first place on
Speaker 4: Earth to achieve what they call scientific fusion ignition. That
Speaker 4: means that they produce more energy form fusion than the
Speaker 4: laser energy delivered to the fuel, right.
Speaker 3: Even though it's a tiny tiny amount, though I understand,
Speaker 3: to let us up the record straight. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: some what it just appeared and then it kind of
Speaker 3: disappeared or is it some scorable thing? Right?
Speaker 4: They only hold it for tiny fractions. I believe it's
Speaker 4: only holding fractions of a second. But but I mean,
Speaker 4: the bottom line is, in December twenty twenty two, I'm
Speaker 4: just reading it from the web here they produced three
Speaker 4: point one four mega dules of fusion energy from two
Speaker 4: point oh five of laser energy delivered to the fuel capsule.
Speaker 4: And that's the first time humanity's ever had a net
Speaker 4: energy gain from control fusion. So, I mean, fusion is
Speaker 4: super worthwhile continuing to work on I mean, if we
Speaker 4: ever have fusion, we will have energy forever. It'll be
Speaker 4: clean energy. You know this, This will be an absolutely
Speaker 4: wonderful thing. This is unfortunate saying is that Princeton, for example,
Speaker 4: puts out a T shirt saying that we're only ten
Speaker 4: years from nuclear you know, nuclear fusion it's controlled to
Speaker 4: actually make electricity. But they put out that same T
Speaker 4: shirt every ten years. So you know, the fellow I
Speaker 4: used to work with a Princeton PhD. Jay Lair, he's
Speaker 4: passed away. Now he thinks that we're still quite a
Speaker 4: long way. I mean, many decades from a time when
Speaker 4: we can have fusion powering actual electricity generation. But wow,
Speaker 4: we better keep working on it and this announcement that
Speaker 4: Carl brought up. Yeah, it is a big, big deal.
Speaker 3: And what if we could go back into the nineteen
Speaker 3: twenties when one of the physicists at the time will
Speaker 3: spare the name right now, who is developing and working
Speaker 3: on the concept, not developing, but working on the concept
Speaker 3: of antimatter. Could you imagine if you had that antimatter
Speaker 3: event where you could utilize the energy. But tell us this,
Speaker 3: it's really too much of an uncontrolled environment explosion. So
Speaker 3: they're saying, if you had a tiny little bit of
Speaker 3: antimatter and it was used incorrectly, it could wipe out
Speaker 3: like a whole city. I mean, it's that much where
Speaker 3: you don't have the controls. It's like your foot. You
Speaker 3: don't have the ability to put the brakes on that one.
Speaker 3: But imagine that though in the universe, is still that
Speaker 3: reality that antimatter is there, but we just have to
Speaker 3: go ahead and figure out how to do fusion first.
Speaker 11: Carl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're still there, Carl, sorry to cut you.
Speaker 3: Do you have a follow up or did you disappear.
Speaker 1: Into the eth Oh no, no, No.
Speaker 11: It just really amazed me to discover that they finally
Speaker 11: achieved the point where they were able to get more
Speaker 11: energy out than input. That's amazzing kind of thing. What
Speaker 11: about the idea of vision being used now in the
Speaker 11: space rockets as a matter of fact, Oh yeah, isn't a.
Speaker 19: Plan that.
Speaker 11: Nuclear vision will be used on board one of the
Speaker 11: rockets going to Mars?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean when John Kennedy announced that
Speaker 4: we were going to land a man on the Moon
Speaker 4: and return and safe to leave through the ears, a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't realize, but the latter part of
Speaker 4: that speech was in fact that we had to develop
Speaker 4: nuclear power for spacecraft for propulsionous. Yeah, that's right, because
Speaker 4: currently it's about seven months to get to Mars with
Speaker 4: chemical rockets because of course most of the time you're
Speaker 4: just coasting, and then you have to you know, stay
Speaker 4: there for a certain period of time. I believe it's
Speaker 4: about five months until the planets are lined up in
Speaker 4: another seven months strip back, and that's a very close planet.
Speaker 4: It's a very close destination, you know, seen from a
Speaker 4: cosmological point of view. So I mean, we have to
Speaker 4: get much much better for pulsion. Nuclear propulsion was the
Speaker 4: original goal, and they're getting back to working on it now,
Speaker 4: so I can see that this will be. And of
Speaker 4: course with nuclear propulsion you can have a gradual but
Speaker 4: continuous thrust over a period of months. It doesn't just
Speaker 4: burn for a few minutes and then coast. So yeah,
Speaker 4: nuclear fusion and fission, you know, both of them are
Speaker 4: are wonderful sources of power, and if we can get
Speaker 4: our spacecraft operating on them, who knows, it may open
Speaker 4: up a large part of the galaxy.
Speaker 3: Carlo, New Jersey, thank you for being part of the show.
Speaker 3: We do appreciate you. Well, go to gym again. I'm
Speaker 3: sorry in the Catskills if you're there, did do we
Speaker 3: get cut off or somehow you got lost?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Go ahead, I got cut off, thank you, doctor Ski.
Speaker 7: Well with the electric cars yet, I realized the solar
Speaker 7: paddle will only be a little bit. But what about
Speaker 7: alternators on each wheel to keep recharging the battery, even
Speaker 7: if not completely, to keep it to a higher state
Speaker 7: of charge if it does need to be recharged.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know much about that, but I do
Speaker 4: know that with some cars you get energy back when
Speaker 4: you're braking. Isn't that right?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 7: I've heard that also, Well, guys.
Speaker 3: Isn't that the concept? No, excuse me. Isn't that the
Speaker 3: concept when we have a hybrid vehicle that as you're
Speaker 3: driving the vehicle, it's what charging the battery. If I'm
Speaker 3: correct in that assessment. Is that right?
Speaker 7: I would think, But you still still have to be recharged.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: But my second one which really concerns me is Elon Musk.
Speaker 7: He knows his personality, how he has aloofness, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean. So he's been diagnosed of have Asperger's
Speaker 7: high on the spectrum he's going to have. He's going
Speaker 7: to have an irrational temper. People that he worked with
Speaker 7: say the same thing, and people with Asperger's lack empathy.
Speaker 7: So that you have the world's richest man racing for
Speaker 7: you know, super intelligence who's creating millions of robots to
Speaker 7: replace human labor. Then there's another factor also, he's very
Speaker 7: close with his mother. And his mother I've read practiced
Speaker 7: version of right that she practiced. She practices a South
Speaker 7: African version of a Luciferian witchcraft, and that also one
Speaker 7: of Elon Musk's former wives, Grimes Gothic singer, she practiced
Speaker 7: Luciferian witchcraft. And Elon Musk was at a galla with
Speaker 7: his mother it was like a Halloween thing. But he
Speaker 7: had a red vest on with like a very elaborate
Speaker 7: picture of a bats and met demon on the front
Speaker 7: and upside down across on the back. That that concerns
Speaker 7: me that.
Speaker 3: Well, it does me too. You're right, I mean, Jim
Speaker 3: who knows. I mean, obviously we read this stuff. I
Speaker 3: don't know him, you don't personally know him, but you're right,
Speaker 3: I mean, when you're in that capacity. I don't know
Speaker 3: how he does all the things he does and stays sane.
Speaker 3: But I guess he's also involved in doing mushrooms and
Speaker 3: I don't know, I've heard ketamine and all these other things.
Speaker 3: But God bless if he's going to build rockets and
Speaker 3: do things in space. I think the overall thing is
Speaker 3: he's moved us right tom on the chessboard. He's moved
Speaker 3: the parts far away from what we would see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he has a goal I think which more
Speaker 4: people in the space program should have. He says he
Speaker 4: wants to preserve the light of consciousness, so the humans
Speaker 4: will become eventually, you know, not immortal and not you know,
Speaker 4: we will still die, but well as a species. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's right. If we expend far enough into space and
Speaker 4: we use proper technology, we could make humanity as a
Speaker 4: whole last a lot longer than if we all stay
Speaker 4: in this little pot. So I mean, I think his
Speaker 4: goal of bringing consciousness to the universe, you know, keeping
Speaker 4: the light of consciousness going by expanding into space. That's
Speaker 4: exactly what Charles Laughlin says, I mean. Charles Wachlin, the anthropologist.
Speaker 4: He says the single most important activity for humankind in
Speaker 4: the twenty first century will be the establishment of permanent,
Speaker 4: self sufficient off world presence. He says, that is that
Speaker 4: is key if we are to have a functioning and
Speaker 4: prosperous world and even survive for that matter.
Speaker 3: Jim and the caatsilas, thanks for calling back, and again
Speaker 3: we're hearing a little bit of solar flare activity. I
Speaker 3: don't know that for sure, but if you're coming through
Speaker 3: the phone line, we have no idea why. But again,
Speaker 3: our helmsman Bill and Ian they're doing a yeoman's job
Speaker 3: of getting nuts thing solved, and we do appreciate their
Speaker 3: help because without them, imagine this what kind of show
Speaker 3: we would have where we couldn't hear what you folks
Speaker 3: have to say. When we come back in just a
Speaker 3: moment for the last break of the two hour show,
Speaker 3: we're going to shift gears a little bit. Tom and
Speaker 3: I have at least decided to talk about some other things.
Speaker 3: The historic Apollo eleven, which of course many people were
Speaker 3: not even born that are listening to this radio station
Speaker 3: now wherever you are, a most amazing achievement. I still
Speaker 3: can't believe, Tom, how people believe that we never went there.
Speaker 3: The simple answer, I'm looking at it at my desk
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's photoshopped. Is the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter,
Speaker 3: which is out here in Arizona, Arizona State. There's an
Speaker 3: office there and they have a little kind of a
Speaker 3: mini control panel there. It's a small little unit in
Speaker 3: a satellite, like the size of maybe a little refrigerator.
Speaker 3: But I'm holding in my hand the imaging of the
Speaker 3: Apollo elevening landing site and the long walk that Neil
Speaker 3: Armstrong took. You can still see the footprints to the
Speaker 3: little West.
Speaker 7: Amazing.
Speaker 3: So you can check that out by going on the
Speaker 3: web go to Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and Tom, you know,
Speaker 3: time and space controls the show and we will be
Speaker 3: right back on the Doctor Sky Experience. As we move
Speaker 3: to the conclusion of our number two, we'll be right back.
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Speaker 9: Hi, this is you.
Speaker 1: Downs You're listening to Doctor Sky on aviation and space
Speaker 1: and life.
Speaker 3: I neither think I know nor think I know it all.
Speaker 3: A quote about humility and truth from the great Socrates
Speaker 3: a long time ago. Forty eight minutes after the hour,
Speaker 3: we continue with Tom Harris, executive director the International Climate
Speaker 3: Science Coalition. Check his website. I see sc Dashcanada dot com.
Speaker 3: I wanted to do a quick review of the Apollo eleven.
Speaker 3: You know where you are? I was thirteen. I think
Speaker 3: I know where I was. I was home. My parents
Speaker 3: had to have permission to stay up late at night
Speaker 3: on the East coast. That was nearly eleven pm. But
Speaker 3: the interesting truth is what an experience, because you know,
Speaker 3: I spent some time with buzz Aldrin and he told
Speaker 3: me a story, and it's actually come to light that
Speaker 3: when they got back into the lunar, you know, the
Speaker 3: module to do the ascent stage, he had backed up
Speaker 3: inadvertently into the breaker panel and broke the little switch
Speaker 3: for the button switch or whatever where you would then
Speaker 3: launch the rocket to get off the surface of the moon.
Speaker 3: So lo and behold, he didn't tell that to Houston,
Speaker 3: and they're ready for the countdown, and what does he do,
Speaker 3: tom He takes out a felt tip pen and shoves
Speaker 3: it in the hole and the rest is history. And
Speaker 3: that pen supposedly was that auction. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's Sothebees. I think it went for over three hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. And when they were coming down the ladder,
Speaker 3: that is Neil Armstrong, he reminded buzz Aldron not to
Speaker 3: close the door on the lunar module it theoretically could
Speaker 3: have locked. Now, those are some amazing stories, but you're
Speaker 3: analysis of that whole experience, it's just amazing. I don't
Speaker 3: see how people even say that we never went there.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, what's yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well had twenty five thousand people. My five thousand
Speaker 4: people worked on the Apollo.
Speaker 13: So are they all lying?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: But I mean I've had dinner with Harrison Schmidt, you know,
Speaker 4: who was the only scientist to walk on the moon
Speaker 4: a PhD in geology on Apollo seventeen. And to think
Speaker 4: that all these guys are lying. No, I just just
Speaker 4: don't buy it. You know, the Apollo moon landing was
Speaker 4: an amazing activity. I mean I was sixteen at the time.
Speaker 4: I collected all the newspapers and I still have them
Speaker 4: from all over the world. Actually, and I met, as
Speaker 4: I say, several of the Apollo astronauts, a very very
Speaker 4: brave people, because you know, they had one rocket to
Speaker 4: get them off the moon. If it didn't work, they
Speaker 4: were stuck, and I don't believe they had any ability
Speaker 4: to get them to actually rescue them.
Speaker 3: Well, President Dixon had a backup speech, and we interviewed
Speaker 3: the gentleman too, not to go through the time tunnel
Speaker 3: here that wrote the plaque, you know here men from
Speaker 3: the Earth came, you know, in peace and landed on
Speaker 3: the Moon. We had that gentleman before he passed a
Speaker 3: speech writer. But Nixonsident Nixon had a backup speech, which
Speaker 3: would be very depressing if indeed that door was locked
Speaker 3: or somehow something happened catastrophically on a great event in time.
Speaker 3: But let's go to the few callers that we have.
Speaker 3: We always want to go to the callers. If you're
Speaker 3: still there, Line number two, Steven New Jersey. Thanks for
Speaker 3: your patience. If you're on there, Good morning to you.
Speaker 3: How you doing Steve and New Jersey? Give it one
Speaker 3: more time?
Speaker 19: Hello, doctor Sky, Hello mister Harris. Can you hear me? Yeah,
Speaker 19: a great, mister Harris. I've had a hypothesis for years.
Speaker 19: I want to run by it right now. I never
Speaker 19: bought into the mid I never bought into the global
Speaker 19: climate change and doctor Scott, I always sort of as
Speaker 19: a way to control us, take away our freedom, all right.
Speaker 19: Having said that, mister mister harrs if I believe if
Speaker 19: we detonated every nuke on the planet, we would destroy
Speaker 19: man and all the structures and the atmosphere on the planet,
Speaker 19: but we wouldn't destroy the Earth. The Earth would still
Speaker 19: continue to exist. The atmosphere would be screwed up for
Speaker 19: a while, but eventually do act of God, which I believe,
Speaker 19: or forces in nature, the atmosphere and the planet would
Speaker 19: return to a normal state. If there'd be life, I
Speaker 19: don't know. But what do you think about my hypothesis?
Speaker 19: What do you think?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean it's not an experiment I.
Speaker 13: Want to see tried.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they're saying that there's some insects that would
Speaker 4: survive cockroaches, for example. So yeah, we'd have a very
Speaker 4: different ecosystem, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: I grew up at a time during the Cuban missile crisis,
Speaker 4: and I remember my dad had between the wall of
Speaker 4: our house in the basement and the oil tank, he
Speaker 4: had a little sort of bomb shelter and he had
Speaker 4: lots of food, startup and everything else. And thank goodness,
Speaker 4: it never actually happened, you know. So we were very
Speaker 4: glad that Kennedy and kruse Chef came to their agreement,
Speaker 4: you know. But I just you know, concerning one thing
Speaker 4: that doctor Sky brought up, and that is the people
Speaker 4: have got to go to the Air and Space Museum
Speaker 4: in Washington because they have the lunar module there and
Speaker 4: they even have the command module of the Apollo eleven,
Speaker 4: the actual spacecraft. They have help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the space shue that's so dirty because all that
Speaker 3: lunar dust is not very compatible unless you use oxyclean
Speaker 3: to clean it.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know it's not the topic that was
Speaker 4: just brought up, but it's something people got to go
Speaker 4: to and it's free. It's free.
Speaker 3: I like that. Well, thank you, ste If you bring
Speaker 3: in some insight as always, and that's why we love
Speaker 3: the callers that come into this what we call in
Speaker 3: the theater of the mind. Almost out of time here,
Speaker 3: but I wanted to bring up something else that you
Speaker 3: talk about all the time about what's really going on
Speaker 3: in the world of climate and you're a climate realist.
Speaker 3: I want to say that again. His website ic Scdeshcanada
Speaker 3: dot com. You can learn so much more America out
Speaker 3: loud the other websites that you were talking about here,
Speaker 3: here's something interesting from the world of astronomy. We'll talk
Speaker 3: about it more tomorrow. Here about this. This is interesting.
Speaker 3: LHS eleven forty B is the first rocky earthlike exoplanet
Speaker 3: discovered to have an atmosphere in a star's habitable zone.
Speaker 3: It's forty eight light years away and features get into
Speaker 3: this helium rich upper atmosph sphere. So it's about seventy
Speaker 3: percent larger than the Earth five point six excuse me
Speaker 3: times heavier, and it circles a very dim red dwarf star.
Speaker 3: So here's what's interesting. Can you imagine if we do
Speaker 3: really confirm this the first time in history humankind that
Speaker 3: we've actually seen something that may have a potentially habitable planet,
Speaker 3: which means there may be water there. Your thoughts, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you were aware of this discovery, but
Speaker 3: it's forty eight light years away, not that we're going
Speaker 3: to get there anytime soon, but it gives hope alive
Speaker 3: to another subject off the topic that we're talking about,
Speaker 3: about the possibility of life existing in the universe with
Speaker 3: the number of stars based on a mathematical equation called
Speaker 3: the Drake equation.
Speaker 4: What say you, Well, I don't know anything about that
Speaker 4: particular discovery, but the water is almost certainly under the
Speaker 4: pack ice on the moon Europa, which is one of
Speaker 4: the moons of Jupiter. In fact, Arthur Clark wrote a
Speaker 4: very good fiction, actually, All the Sea and the Sky
Speaker 4: about about an astronauts that went to Europa and they
Speaker 4: went through the ice into what was in fact an
Speaker 4: under ice ocean, and that's what they speculate is going
Speaker 4: to be found when they actually can get through the ice,
Speaker 4: and you know, if it's actually liquid water, and it's
Speaker 4: very probably is, they say there'll be more water there
Speaker 4: than in the whole of the Earth. So and it's
Speaker 4: kept liquid partly because of the tidal forces from Jupiter.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there may be life who knows in our
Speaker 4: own solar system, and we get to Europa with our
Speaker 4: robots and stuff, we're going to perhaps find it.
Speaker 3: Well, author'sy Clark said it, and I know we don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of time to go through it. He
Speaker 3: did say in the twenty ten sequel. At least it
Speaker 3: came through in the movie. What did they say to them?
Speaker 3: Don't touch Europa? Yes, a sacred a sacred place. But
Speaker 3: you're right. The probe that's headed there is not going
Speaker 3: to land. It's going to actually survey and do some analysis.
Speaker 3: But one day, hopefully we'll find out what lies underneath this,
Speaker 3: because it's improbable in my opinion. You know that with
Speaker 3: all the number of stars out there and some like stars,
Speaker 3: and now this discovery of LHS eleven forty b, this
Speaker 3: could be something really interesting. Can you imagine if you
Speaker 3: just multiply that by so many other stars and systems
Speaker 3: where planetary objects exist, where all star dust. As you're
Speaker 3: hearing in some of those little promotionals by the voice,
Speaker 3: how about that, yes, of whoever's.
Speaker 18: Doing that, you know.
Speaker 6: Arthur C.
Speaker 4: Clark also had a perspective that because you have to
Speaker 4: not just be close enough to extraterrestrial life to detect it,
Speaker 4: you also have to exist at the same time, you know,
Speaker 4: and humanity's only being chromagnon or what about three hundred
Speaker 4: thousand years ago, which is a blink of an eye
Speaker 4: in the history of the universe, So we have to
Speaker 4: overlap with other life forms. They have to exist at
Speaker 4: the same time as us. And so one of the
Speaker 4: conclusions that Arthur Clark came to was a pessimistic conclusion,
Speaker 4: but I think it's probably realistic, he said, among intelligent
Speaker 4: life in the universe, and he felt there would be
Speaker 4: other intelligent life. Probably the most common characteristic is loneliness
Speaker 4: because we may never actually overlap in time with when
Speaker 4: they exist. So I think that it's going to be
Speaker 4: a long time before we ever, if ever discover eccraterrestrial intelligence.
Speaker 4: But yeah, let's keep looking.
Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, and you hear many hosts on this radio
Speaker 3: station talk about it in great, great depth about this
Speaker 3: whole UFO experience and what's happening with the government releasing
Speaker 3: all the data. But yeah, I want to be an optimist.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've studied the subject, I've known so many
Speaker 3: of the abductees from Travis Walton to Betty, the Betty
Speaker 3: and Hill Betty Hill experience. This is the most documented
Speaker 3: UFO case. But still, where's there one bit of credible
Speaker 3: evidence that shows anything to date? I mean, it's like
Speaker 3: we're looking at things by people telling us stories, many
Speaker 3: of them have passed on. But show me one credible
Speaker 3: shred of evidence. Let me see a piece for something,
Speaker 3: let me see some weird hieroglyphics or good hieroglyphics. Let's
Speaker 3: do some analysis, and what about what David Grush is
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, I used to discount, Yeah, I used
Speaker 4: to discount that sort of thing entirely, but I don't anymore.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm starting to see when when we look
Speaker 4: at the videos that have just been released. In just
Speaker 4: a few days ago, there was an amazing series of
Speaker 4: videos that were released showing things that look like spacecraft.
Speaker 4: Quite frankly, I'm now saying that, Okay, I'll listen to
Speaker 4: David Grush and others because I'm not dismissing them. I
Speaker 4: think they who knows, they may be right. I have
Speaker 4: a friend who was a ceases agent, which is like
Speaker 4: your CIA, and he says that there's a lot of
Speaker 4: evidence that we are in fact being visited by extraterrestrials
Speaker 4: right now. And you know, I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily believe it, but I have a lot
Speaker 4: of respect for this guy, so who knows it might
Speaker 4: be true.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Tom Harris. I see Scdshcanada dot com. You're
Speaker 3: always welcome here in the Theater of the mind, and
Speaker 3: by the number of people that call in and take
Speaker 3: a seat, we do appreciate your time. We'll have you
Speaker 3: back and keep us in there in the know here
Speaker 3: about these things about as you talk about, very sincerely
Speaker 3: and straight. Not a climate denier, but a climate realist.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. We'll talk soon. You have
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