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<v Speaker 1>Once in a while, life seems to hold a dark

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<v Speaker 1>cloud over us. It could be a streak of bad

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<v Speaker 1>luck or maybe even mental health struggles. Unfortunately, for many

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<v Speaker 1>people before the twenty first century, they were often undiagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>or forced to take extreme measures to try and find

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<v Speaker 1>solutions to these problems. Now, try and imagine putting yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in this situation. It's early nineteen hundreds, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>what you believe is a curse condemning your life and

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<v Speaker 1>the life of your children. How would you protect them

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<v Speaker 1>from this curse? How far would you go to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>their safety and that their life would never be touched

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<v Speaker 1>by this curse? Today's story one woman went through this

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<v Speaker 1>exact dilemma in hopes of protecting her own.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, Aue crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material in more mature audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener, do you ever notice how when I'm doing our intro,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always using hand gestures? Actually, yes, like pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>every time. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if anyone realizes how many gestures actually

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<v Speaker 1>occur behind a microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, actually a lot, well, I mean it helps

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<v Speaker 2>episize sometimes, Yeah, but lots lots of times we're not

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<v Speaker 2>even noticing it of each other. Well, no, Butter, we're

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<v Speaker 2>are we You're more of a hand talker than me.

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<v Speaker 1>You think I'm a hand talker A little I think

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<v Speaker 1>a little hand talker, a little handooker. Wow, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's that's a good thing or what.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm a little hand talker, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I try to annunciate things or really describe something,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm using my hands.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. You get you get that motion going. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you listen closely, you can almost hear, like in

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<v Speaker 1>our voice, that motion as we get our hands. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys could hear it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I could hear. But I was also witnessing it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. That's true. You were You want to know

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<v Speaker 1>else I was witnessing not too long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that awesome?

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<v Speaker 1>People signing up for a Patreon the Oh yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had Bonnie Kega Rice who shout out told

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<v Speaker 1>me how to pronounce their name correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you nailed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so awesome because Kega Rice, she was like

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<v Speaker 1>it's literally just keg of rice, kega rice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good way of describing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so thank you. Bonnie.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably wouldn't pronounce it that way, would you have.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and I'm looking in hindsight. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Yeah, I might have said couga race. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, Okay, but yeah, it's Bonnie Keger, Sophia Troke

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<v Speaker 1>mung Bean, which I don't think that's a real name,

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<v Speaker 1>but if it is, love it. And Paige Mortgridge awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much for signing up on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are getting that exclusive behind the scenes content

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the extra episode.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the month, which we're approaching quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't we.

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<v Speaker 1>We are, so we got to figure that out. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we should be asking our patrons again what they what

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<v Speaker 1>they want to hear?

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<v Speaker 2>It's already February twentieth, That is wild. Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it will be twenty first when you're listening to this.

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<v Speaker 1>And time flies so fucking fast it's stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of time flying fast, we mentioned before a

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<v Speaker 1>new podcast potentially coming out by Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is People are excited about this because we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't mentioned a lot about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't. We're really hoping to have this up and

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<v Speaker 1>running in about two months time. So just so you

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<v Speaker 1>guys know, Jacko might have his own show in about

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<v Speaker 1>two months.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. So look at Jacko just doing this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm pretty sure he's more popular than we are.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he's pretty dope though.

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<v Speaker 2>He Actually he's pretty cool, dude, he is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should figure out his backstory even too. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that'd be cool. Yeah, that would be super

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<v Speaker 1>cool to know. Actually, yeah, maybe we should ask him

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<v Speaker 1>about it, see if he can give us some of

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<v Speaker 1>the deats.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do a Q and a session with him, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>interview him.

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<v Speaker 1>We should Oh wow, that would be fun. Maybe that'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a good Halloween thing or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Yeah, no kidding, Actually, well, you ready for this episode?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready? Your intro is bomb?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, because you kind of you mentioned a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about this case, but then your intro was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh okay, okay, that makes it sound a little different

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<v Speaker 2>than what I had in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because this one's it's almost got two stories to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the curse we spoke of and the life leading

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<v Speaker 1>along said curse and the result and what she does

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<v Speaker 1>because of said curse. Okay, so it's kind of those two.

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<v Speaker 1>And shout out to live over at proud pause for

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<v Speaker 1>recommending this. Who's there are dog groomers? Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was up there the other day and she told me

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<v Speaker 1>about this one, and I was like, that sounds dope,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>They grew maur doggles and the knew a freaking amazing job.

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<v Speaker 1>They do, So let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>You ready, Yeah, I just took a sip of water.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready. Roll.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go stay hydrated. People, Nichole's doing it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure not. I know that. Okay. We started off with

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<v Speaker 1>Leonarda Chinchuli. She was born on April eighteenth, in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four in the small Italian town of Montela Aka.

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<v Speaker 1>It was known as the Kingdom of Italy. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>from the very start there was little in her life

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<v Speaker 1>that was quaint or homie. Leonarda's mother had been born

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<v Speaker 1>into a wealthy family and reportedly she had been sexually

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<v Speaker 1>assaulted and then she had discovered she was pregnant from

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<v Speaker 1>her assailant. Jeez, So to avoid ridicule and ruin. She

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<v Speaker 1>was forced to actually marry her attacker, Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>and she conceived the child with him as their family.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we're starting off on a not very eloquent

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<v Speaker 1>foot here. No, I can't imagine making those sort of shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even think anything like that could ever happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, well, it was mostly an attempt to clear her

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<v Speaker 1>being pregnant at a wedlock sort of thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But even with these attempts to repair her name and status,

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<v Speaker 1>she became out of wed became pregnant out of wedlock anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>in her family cut her off.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So Leonarda's mother went from living in luxury

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<v Speaker 1>there was only one person to blame her new baby

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<v Speaker 1>she had just conceived from her assailant, Leonarda.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that actually shocked me even more. I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>you were going to say the attacker was completely to blame.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she just did not like her child out of spite.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, not that you should treat anyone in negative

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<v Speaker 1>manner just because of these actions of someone else. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a baby. It's an infant, right, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>baby did nothing. But I can understand that skewed perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on this child when it's like your father assaulted.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, I can understand it. But also like, the baby

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<v Speaker 2>had literally nothing exactly do with any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>The baby is the result, but it's not their fault.

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<v Speaker 1>So wow, I get it, but it's not an excuse

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<v Speaker 1>all at the same time. Right, So, anyways, Leonardo's mother

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<v Speaker 1>made sure that Leonarda knew everything that happened and that

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<v Speaker 1>it was all her fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she said it was her fault that they had

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<v Speaker 1>no money to buy food or clothes, and her fault

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<v Speaker 1>they lived in poverty, and Leonarda believed her as she

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<v Speaker 2>Holy, this is really fucked Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, understandably, the two had a very terrible relationship built

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<v Speaker 1>out of spite, and before Leonarda even became an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>she had tried to commit suicide on two separate occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>showing just how deeply her mother's words were cutting her.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, this is just I can't even Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so brutal, this is so brutal and so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a parent's job is to be there for your child,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet you're sitting here saying these things, driving your

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<v Speaker 2>I feel incredibly bad for her, I do I mean

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<v Speaker 2>to be fair? Can we do an episode without being

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<v Speaker 2>too be fair?

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel bad for Leonarda's mother as well because

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<v Speaker 1>of what she went through. So I mean she is

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<v Speaker 1>a victim in these circumstances as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but now she's creating someone else to be a

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<v Speaker 2>victim that is exactly necessarily meaning to be.

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<v Speaker 1>She's perpetuating the cycle. Yes, so I feel bad for

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<v Speaker 1>her as well. However, again it's not an excuse. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>she took everything herm mother said very seriously. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>when Leonarda came home with what she thought would be

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<v Speaker 1>course of Leonardo's life even more dramatically forever. In nineteen seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>Leonarda married a man by the name of Raphael Pensarti.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a local registry office clerk with a steady job.

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<v Speaker 1>She had gone home to tell her mother, being excited

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<v Speaker 1>be happy, especially now that she would be moving in

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<v Speaker 1>with her new husband. There'd be one less mouth to feed.

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<v Speaker 1>She would not be around to bother her mother anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>be the burden. She claimed.

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<v Speaker 2>She was right, I wouldn't be expecting that her mom

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<v Speaker 2>would be happy about this exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't she be? Yeah, but the happiness and excitement,

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, did not come. She was furious. Furious, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we do know all the reason. Okay, Leonarda had

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<v Speaker 1>known at that time, or sorry, had not known at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, But her mother had actually been planning for

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<v Speaker 1>Leonarda to marry someone else, someone much more wealthy, someone

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<v Speaker 1>who could provide for their entire family as a whole.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was not aware of this, I'm assuming correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So when she came home and announced her marriage to Raphael,

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<v Speaker 1>she basically ruined her mother's plans, and her mother took

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<v Speaker 1>this as like a final betrayal.

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<v Speaker 2>Because her mom was basically just trying to get back

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<v Speaker 2>to the lifestyle she had at one point of luxury,

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<v Speaker 2>right pretty much, and this was her.

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<v Speaker 1>Plan exactly, okay, and it just this all went out

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<v Speaker 1>the window now because of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And of course divorce was out of the question,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was little that her mother could do to

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<v Speaker 1>undo Leonardo's marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like, she had come home and basically already said

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, she was married. Oh it's not that she's marrying.

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<v Speaker 1>She came home, was like, Mom, I'm married.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I misheard this. Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the only thing that her mother could do to

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<v Speaker 2>Goodness, she already has been suffering, yeah she was.

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<v Speaker 1>But the only thing she could do to ensure beyond

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<v Speaker 1>in her marriage was curse her. Hmmm yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Then okay, this mom is making me just pissed right now.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not a very good mother.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's all like, fuck you, I hate you,

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<v Speaker 1>You're shitty child. You ruin my life. Also, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you cursed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we excuse me. Like what else could she do?

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<v Speaker 1>Not much? She's pretty much reached that limit, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean today most people would have just brushed

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<v Speaker 1>off the idea of a curse honestly, Oh, especially coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a spiteful and toxic relative just out of literal spite, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But Leonarda had literally spent her entire childhood believing every

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<v Speaker 1>all like, yeah, well you're gonna go and be happy,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what, No, you fucking cursed, Leonarda was like shit,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cursed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and then so then, honestly, for a curse, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like to be successful, the recipient has to believe

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<v Speaker 2>in it and it liked for to that it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen or that it's two. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know anything about like magic or curses

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<v Speaker 1>or wicca or whatever category this falls under the cult stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would assume that's probably gonna help for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, even if say said curse didn't, wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a thing, just her believing that it is placebo effect,

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<v Speaker 2>right exactly? Yeah, I can kind of fuck with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. So definitely. So she did try to move

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<v Speaker 1>her head, trying to build something together with her new husband, Raphael.

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<v Speaker 1>But it didn't take long for her mother's curse to

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<v Speaker 1>actually rear its ugly head. See, Leonarda became pregnant something

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<v Speaker 1>That should have been good news to the happy newlywed couple,

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<v Speaker 1>but Leonarda was uneasy, and she had every right to

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<v Speaker 1>be because, wanting to get ahead of her mother's curse,

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<v Speaker 1>she had actually previously gone to a fortune teller to

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<v Speaker 1>and that fortune teller had given Leonarda some great news.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that Leonarda would marry and would have many children,

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<v Speaker 1>which sounds great, but all of them would die young.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that would make you not even want

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<v Speaker 2>of a kid at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Then agreed, Yeah, Now, I mean contraception in this time

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<v Speaker 1>is not most widely used thing, if at all. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not too sure when it was created. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen hundreds, but still so. After that, though, she

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<v Speaker 1>did also visit someone else. She went to a Romani

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<v Speaker 1>fortune teller and they read palms and they told her,

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<v Speaker 1>after identifying the lines in her hands, I quote in

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<v Speaker 1>your right hand prison and your left a criminal asylum.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she's basically just like doomed here pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Both were very heavy predictions.

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<v Speaker 2>Very shitty predictions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and one of them, specifically targeting are the future

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<v Speaker 1>of her children, hit very hard because I mean she

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, right yeah, later, Yeah, so yeah, she's all like, shit,

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<v Speaker 1>I had these bad predictions, one of them specifically talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the potential health of my child, and I'm now

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here pregnant. Fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to mention this added stress that she's probably carrying

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<v Speaker 2>around with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh exactly right. Yeah, she's got a lot of stress

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<v Speaker 1>on her shoulders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So this whole joy over being pregnant was now turned

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<v Speaker 1>into essentially a sense of dread, and that dread became

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<v Speaker 1>much worse when she lost a baby. Lost the baby,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, And I mean a miscarriage is devastating at best,

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<v Speaker 1>and for Leonarda, I'm sure it hit even harder because this,

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<v Speaker 1>in her mind was proof that her mind There's curse

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<v Speaker 1>was in fact real, and that the fortune teller's prophecy

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<v Speaker 1>was coming true.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So Leonardo drifted for a while, probably suffering from what

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<v Speaker 1>we now would diagnose as depression today. But there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>much understanding of mental health issues or anything like that

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<v Speaker 1>back in the early nineteen twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I still feel like we're trying to understand

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<v Speaker 2>it and then it should be more widely said.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, for sure, one hundred percent. But yeah, she just

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't accepted or understood, she just sank deeper

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<v Speaker 1>and deeper. Oh boy, and then eventually she found herself

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<v Speaker 1>behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>What did she do?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? She was arrested in nineteen twenty one, after Raphael

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<v Speaker 1>had moved them to his hometown of Lauria Potenza. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Leonarda had been found guilty of fraud, though there's no

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<v Speaker 1>real description of her exact crimes to be found regarding

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<v Speaker 1>this fraud, but there was prison sentence occurring here, which

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<v Speaker 1>meant another prediction had come true. So she did get

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<v Speaker 1>out six years later, and with her husband Raphael still

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<v Speaker 1>at her side, they moved to another town, Lacedonia, Avellino.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this was a fresh start for him, a fresh

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<v Speaker 1>start that came with good news when Leonarda became pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>again and managed to deliver a healthy child. Oh yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>though I'm sure she held her breath waiting for the

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<v Speaker 1>curse to kick in at everything, any moment. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it may have looked like things turned around for them,

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<v Speaker 1>but wherever Leonarda went, her mother's curse wasn't far behind.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly can't imagine being fucking cursed, like legitimately. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine just someone cursing you today and then these

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<v Speaker 1>things happening afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that basically it's all just coming to to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, mind you, these these are years later,

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of things, And I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>have the tension spand to remember I've been cursed for

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<v Speaker 1>that fucking long.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I feel like though shit just kept happening though.

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<v Speaker 1>You would remember potentially potentially just blaming this curse constantly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I can't fathom the idea of actually being cursed.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I can kind of fathom the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of being cursed, But I think what is less fathomable

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<v Speaker 2>to me is believing that you've been cursed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, And I do think one thing that really

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<v Speaker 1>pushed Leonarda here to believe that she was in fact

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<v Speaker 1>curse was the whole idea of her children not being healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>because during the course of her marriage she had seventeen pregnancies.

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<v Speaker 1>Three of those ended in miscarriage. Another ten of the

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<v Speaker 1>children died when they were very young, and that left

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<v Speaker 1>Leonarda and Raphael with only four surviving children out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventeen are you serious?

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<v Speaker 1>Dead serious? So I think, Oh, with numbers like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure anyone would believe your fucking curse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no shit, because and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't imagine the weight that would hold in anyone's heart.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like to think that is her fucking mother

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<v Speaker 2>did this to her. Yeah, wow, that is too much

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<v Speaker 2>to take in.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, try and take it in.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that she'd seventeen pregnancies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa, and so sorry four or five.

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<v Speaker 1>Of them four survived four whoa?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>And then to top it all off, in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of going through all that loss and pain, tragedy would strike.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty, she lose her husband when an earthquake

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<v Speaker 1>tore through Lcedonia where they were living and destroyed their

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<v Speaker 1>family's home. Okay, now, to be fair, the entire town

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<v Speaker 1>was actually destroyed, and Raphael knew that he'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>get something dramatic to happen here because he had a

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<v Speaker 1>family to take care of it look after. Right, so

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<v Speaker 1>he did decide to move them to a place called Coreego,

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<v Speaker 1>Reggio Emeli. Yeah, sorry, Coreego was in Reggio Emilia, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was this move would actually finally change their luck,

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<v Speaker 1>things would finally turn around.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, it's amazing that they haven't even given up hope,

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like after that much bad things that

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<v Speaker 2>have happened to them, it would be hard to carry

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<v Speaker 2>on with your day, like having any what's the word

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<v Speaker 2>like hope? Yes, there you go, any hope whatsoever?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. I mean it's a very heavy situation

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<v Speaker 1>that they've gone through for basically the last twenty year

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<v Speaker 1>twenty plus years. Yeah, so you have how many children

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<v Speaker 1>you've lost? You now being behind bars, your home has

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<v Speaker 1>been absolutely destroyed. I think the only thing that they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for at this time is that they have each

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<v Speaker 1>other still, and they do have their four.

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<v Speaker 2>Surviving children, right that they need to protect and love

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<v Speaker 2>and feed exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm sure, which we are even going to

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<v Speaker 1>touch on this here in a bit, Leonardo would protect

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<v Speaker 1>her kids at all costs.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, I mean, she learned from the worst, so

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<v Speaker 2>of course I feel like she'd be a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a better mom than that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how you said learn from the worst. That

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<v Speaker 1>was awesome, do you Yeah, Yeah, that was a good

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<v Speaker 1>way of putting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, her mom's horrid. Yeah, I'm disgusted by her mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fair enough. High five to that bitch because she

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<v Speaker 1>a bitch. There we go. Not a high five to her,

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<v Speaker 1>but high five on us.

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<v Speaker 2>High five for her being a bit, just being a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, high five on us agreeing that we hate her

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<v Speaker 1>because she is a bitch. How's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, there we go.

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<v Speaker 1>I was way too complicated anyway, So they moved and

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<v Speaker 1>things were starting to look up finally. Now, the people

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<v Speaker 1>in Coriego, like many other towns and villages all over Italy,

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<v Speaker 1>all heard about the absolutely terrible earthquake that struck their town.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Raphael and Leonarda showed up with their young

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<v Speaker 1>children in tow, the people were absolutely happy to help

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<v Speaker 1>in any way that they could.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, love that.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually set the family up in a house in town,

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<v Speaker 1>one that even had a storefront, so that Leonarda could

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<v Speaker 1>make and sell some things, you know, and get things

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<v Speaker 1>going again.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and not to mention, while she is working in

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<v Speaker 1>this storefront at home, she's there to look after the

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<v Speaker 1>kids at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a perfect situation. And from there, Raphael was hooked

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<v Speaker 1>up with a new job, and it looked like the

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<v Speaker 1>family would take a step back and breathe again because

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<v Speaker 1>they finally had this break in their life.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Rafael was working as a clerk and Leonarda began

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<v Speaker 1>making and selling soap in their storefront. This all worked

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<v Speaker 1>for them on so many more ways than we could

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<v Speaker 1>ever imagine. Leonardo had now you know, ways of getting

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<v Speaker 1>to know the townspeople, for example, and the townspeople got

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<v Speaker 1>to know the family in return. So it was just

428
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<v Speaker 1>fitting into the community all the things we'd already talked about,

429
00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.799
<v Speaker 1>and it worked out beautifully. So whenever the family went

430
00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:02.680
<v Speaker 1>through another heartbreak or losing another child, the village was

431
00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:05.599
<v Speaker 1>there to support them. They got in, they knew people.

432
00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:08.039
<v Speaker 1>It was a personal level. Now the people knew what

433
00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:11.359
<v Speaker 1>these this family had gone through and they were there

434
00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.640
<v Speaker 1>to support and do whatever they could. And Leonarda wanted

435
00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:18.839
<v Speaker 1>to pay that back, so she began collecting anything and

436
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.799
<v Speaker 1>everything she could. On the occult, she was both trying

437
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:24.480
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to get rid of the curse

438
00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.519
<v Speaker 1>that her mother had bestowed upon her and wanting to

439
00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:29.400
<v Speaker 1>see if there was something that she could do to

440
00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:32.119
<v Speaker 1>help other villagers when they were going through similar things

441
00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:35.000
<v Speaker 1>as well, which is super awesome. She's basically becoming like

442
00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the village witch, which is dope.

443
00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:39.839
<v Speaker 2>So you're like, I love that.

444
00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Fuck yes, who doesn't want to be the village witch.

445
00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm a thirty five year old dude, and I want

446
00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:46.640
<v Speaker 1>to be the village witch. Come on.

447
00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.240
<v Speaker 2>And the sad thing is is you would be so

448
00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>good at.

449
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck yeah, I would.

450
00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, you would be way better than me.

451
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Like, bitch, you got ghosts, Let's give you a potion

452
00:22:57.839 --> 00:22:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and banish these.

453
00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:00.079
<v Speaker 2>He's so passionate about it.

454
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, I love that. Could you imagine that being

455
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:05.440
<v Speaker 1>your job, the village fucking witch?

456
00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

457
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Like, ah, you got a curse here, let's drink sit

458
00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>under this full moon tonight and will howl. You'll be

459
00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>cured by the morning.

460
00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:15.440
<v Speaker 2>You would have fricking t shirts made for yourself to

461
00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.400
<v Speaker 2>wear village Witch. I should make you on.

462
00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:21.640
<v Speaker 1>You'd say village bitch, but the bee would be crossed

463
00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:22.880
<v Speaker 1>out with W over top.

464
00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh that escalated?

465
00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.960
<v Speaker 1>That really did? We digressed? Sorry? With her learning these

466
00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:35.000
<v Speaker 1>new skills, with her becoming the village witch, though it's

467
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.920
<v Speaker 1>not described as her as a village witch. That's just

468
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.400
<v Speaker 1>our own description. By the way, people did start coming

469
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.119
<v Speaker 1>to her for fortunes. Uh they were when they were sick,

470
00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:47.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, they would reach out to her and they

471
00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:51.279
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe if they were cursed too, like Leonardo's reputation

472
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>of her potentially being cursed and.

473
00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.799
<v Speaker 2>What honestly gave them someone to talk to too. Oh

474
00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:00.440
<v Speaker 2>yeah right, like I bet you. Along with her being

475
00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:02.359
<v Speaker 2>like kind of the village witch, she was also kind

476
00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:04.319
<v Speaker 2>of like the village counselor.

477
00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Definitely definitely, And as she was able to counsel and

478
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like actually help people, her reputation grew of being able

479
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:14.599
<v Speaker 1>to have these abilities or special powers of helping people.

480
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:20.119
<v Speaker 1>So she's helping people one way or another, and she

481
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>became quite well respected in coreego. But that didn't mean

482
00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:28.079
<v Speaker 1>that all the experiences she was getting in the occult

483
00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:30.960
<v Speaker 1>was making her feel any more sure of her own

484
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>curse being left behind though, as she was helping other people,

485
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.079
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't changing her situation at all.

486
00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, which is what she ultimately want was after.

487
00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Ultimately, yes, now, Leonarda still hadn't quite worked out worked

488
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>her way sorry out from under this curse, and it

489
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.319
<v Speaker 1>made her even more protective of her current force surviving children.

490
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Her eldest living son's name was Giuseppe. Fucking love that name.

491
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Just want to point that out.

492
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Also, like, how are you doing so well with these

493
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 2>names here?

494
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, well done, I'm just pretending.

495
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well it sounds like you know what the shit

496
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:08.400
<v Speaker 2>you're thank you.

497
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm just just doing my best.

498
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're doing good, thank you well.

499
00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:16.839
<v Speaker 1>She and Giuseppe had a very special relationship. They'd spent

500
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time together. Even as Giuseppe grew older

501
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and became a teenager. One of the first things that

502
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>he'd do when he came back from school would sit

503
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.359
<v Speaker 1>down with his mother in the kitchen. They'd have a

504
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.519
<v Speaker 1>cup of tea and some teacakes.

505
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Together, and my gosh, are you kidding me?

506
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:34.559
<v Speaker 1>This is what happened.

507
00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:35.839
<v Speaker 2>That's fucking beautiful.

508
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love it now. A lot of times, Giuseppe

509
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.759
<v Speaker 1>was described as her favorite child. Oh, I don't know

510
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:44.559
<v Speaker 1>if she like maybe, I don't know if she played

511
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>favorites that way. I just think they just had a

512
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>really strong relationship. Like, I don't think any of her

513
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.319
<v Speaker 1>other kids were quite old enough to sit down and

514
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.039
<v Speaker 1>have tea with their mother and cake and like discuss their.

515
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Day, you know, like a little angel.

516
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I don't think it was necessarily her favorite

517
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>child more or less, she just had a strong particular

518
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:02.680
<v Speaker 1>bond with.

519
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.000
<v Speaker 2>This child and the age that he was exactly.

520
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.799
<v Speaker 1>He was the oldest, right, so we had that ability

521
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>to make that bond so far, and this whole tea

522
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and tea cake thing turned into it to a tradition

523
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and tradition that many of the other villagers actually learned

524
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.759
<v Speaker 1>to know about as well. Sometimes other villagers and some

525
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 1>of the other women would actually come around and have

526
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:28.440
<v Speaker 1>tea and teacake with Leonarda and Giuseppe. Also because Leonarda

527
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>was becoming pretty famous around the town as well because

528
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of her her locally made teacakes which she would sell.

529
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.039
<v Speaker 2>In her To be honest.

530
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that can go several different ways. It could

531
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 1>be like a loaf, could be a biscuit.

532
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, okay, so something that you enjoy with.

533
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Tea, Yeah, could be could be like a cracker biscuit,

534
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 1>could be banana bread sort of thing. I don't fuck it.

535
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>There's a million different options of what it could be.

536
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>She had these teacakes, apparently they were fucking delish, that's all.

537
00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.359
<v Speaker 2>I really know, what well you did your head just

538
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.920
<v Speaker 2>through the roads. You're like they're gonna lash. I did

539
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.799
<v Speaker 2>like the okay sign, like almost like you would like

540
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:09.440
<v Speaker 2>to be enjoying one at this very moment.

541
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Who wouldn't want to be having some fucking tea and

542
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:12.079
<v Speaker 1>tea cakes right now?

543
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I know? Actually yeah, I want?

544
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Can we make tea and teacakes after this?

545
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:17.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to google a teacake recipe?

546
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Do it? So? Anyways, we digress again. Despite the curse, though,

547
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 1>everything seemed to be going well currently, but only a

548
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:31.640
<v Speaker 1>few months before Giuseppe's eighteenth birthday, Leonarda would find herself

549
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Speaker 1>terrified of her ill omens once again. See Giuseppe came

550
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.839
<v Speaker 1>home one evening and instead of doing the usual routine

551
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.599
<v Speaker 1>of tea cakes and tea with his mother, he sat

552
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.839
<v Speaker 1>down and he told her that he'd enrolled in the

553
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Italian Army.

554
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I thought that he was going to be like

555
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>have died already kind of thing or not saying that

556
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 2>you go in the army, you're going to die, But

557
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 2>like he's putting himself in a dangerous situation. That's kind

558
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:57.119
<v Speaker 2>of what made her worried.

559
00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly. She Well, she knew that a this curse

560
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>was going to take her son too if he was

561
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>going to go on the army, that was her perspective, right,

562
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 1>and he was enrolling right at the beginning of World

563
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>War II. Okay, Yeah, so she became basically desperate to

564
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>save him because going off to war at this time

565
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>coming back is not you not really got the odds

566
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>in your favor.

567
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, especially yeah, with this extra curse that is

568
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>over his head.

569
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yeah, So she knew that she needed to save

570
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 1>him somehow, and she only had a few months till

571
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>he was officially old enough to join the army, so

572
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>she was going to try and use her time wisely

573
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>while she had it. She came up with a plan,

574
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 1>and her plan was to give back to the people

575
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>of Coreego, thinking that if she managed to put enough

576
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.559
<v Speaker 1>good energy out there into the world, into her town,

577
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 1>that it would protect her son when he went off

578
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:58.279
<v Speaker 1>to war. And Leonarda knew exactly where to start.

579
00:28:59.400 --> 00:28:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Now.

580
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Remember, the people of Coreaga came to Leonarda for all

581
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>kinds of reasons, right when they were sick. They sometimes

582
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.039
<v Speaker 1>went to her before they even went to the doctor,

583
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 1>for example. They came to her for advice, and they

584
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 1>came to her when they had problems that looked like

585
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>only a little bit of extra magic would be able

586
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to solve. And one day Leonarda had one of those

587
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.799
<v Speaker 1>people sitting in her kitchen. Now, her name was Faustina Setti.

588
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>She was on the lookout for a husband. And by

589
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.279
<v Speaker 1>this time, Fastina was only or was already seventy three

590
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 1>years old. Holy okay, she'd never been married, and she

591
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>was getting on in age, of course, and she wanted

592
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 1>to know what life would be like as a married

593
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 1>individual before she died.

594
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I just say that it's nothing bad that she's looking

595
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>for a husband at that age, But just at that age,

596
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 2>I feel like if I hadn't found anyone and.

597
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Be like you'd turn into the village witch.

598
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I'd just be fine with it, I feel. But to

599
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 2>still be looking at that age, that's impressive.

600
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she she wanted to be married. It was kind

601
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 1>of her lifelong goal to make sure she married before

602
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.079
<v Speaker 1>she died. Okay, so this looked like the perfect situation

603
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>for Leonardo to try and solve. Yeah, you know, maybe

604
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.319
<v Speaker 1>makes a little love potion number nine and bam, she's

605
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:13.160
<v Speaker 1>good to go. You didn't get that, never mind? Never

606
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>mind that was a reference to a song love Potion

607
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:16.039
<v Speaker 1>number nine.

608
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 2>No, I did get that, well, why didn't you? Sorry,

609
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 2>that was hilarious.

610
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Come on now, and that was good.

611
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>That was good. Good job, Thank.

612
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.799
<v Speaker 1>You, thank you, thank you for the pity laugh.

613
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just so enthralled with the story.

614
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, gotcha. Well, anyways, she managed to pull this off,

615
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and she was thinking, pulling this off will put the

616
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.119
<v Speaker 1>best energy out there. Giuseppe should be safe. You know,

617
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 1>good energy would out overdo the bad, good karma sort

618
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 1>of thing, right, Okay.

619
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I was worried that she was going to offer her

620
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 2>son to her. No, okay, that's not what happened.

621
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, fixing this lifelong dream was basically the way

622
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 1>that she would protect him while he's at war. Right,

623
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>So Leonarda agreed, and she had someone another client in

624
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.880
<v Speaker 1>a different village who was around the same age as Fastina,

625
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:05.759
<v Speaker 1>and just so happened to be looking for a wife

626
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.759
<v Speaker 1>as well. So Fastina began writing letters to her new

627
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 1>future husband, and he even wrote some letters back to her.

628
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Little did Fastina know, though, that it was actually Leonarda

629
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 1>who wrote the responding letters.

630
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she was just faking this. That is not good

631
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 2>karma at all. This this person didn't exist then, correct?

632
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:32.559
<v Speaker 1>Correct?

633
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, I can't see how she thinks this is good.

634
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh she knows this isn't good. Let's put it that way.

635
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Things were going exactly as planned for Leonarda. She knew

636
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't good. Let's just say that. All she would

637
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>need now was Fristina to write some postcards explaining to

638
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.759
<v Speaker 1>her friends and family where she was going, and she

639
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 1>would pay Leonarda for her services. Now Fastina took out

640
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>her entire life savings, which was about thirty thousand lire,

641
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 1>which equals out to about three hundred and thirty two

642
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>US dollars today. She headed over to Leonarda's house, paid her,

643
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and there she wrote the postcards and got ready to

644
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>head out for the trip of a lifetime to meet

645
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>her soon to be a husband, or so she thought.

646
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>In celebration before she took off, Leonarda poured them both

647
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.079
<v Speaker 1>a glass of wine to start the trip off on

648
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the right foot. The two of them said cheers. Fustina

649
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.519
<v Speaker 1>took a sip of the wine and dropped to the floor.

650
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck. Well, I got what's going on here?

651
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Keep going well.

652
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Leonarda told everyone that she was looking to do good

653
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>things to help protect her son when he went out

654
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 1>to the war. Yeah, but her actual plans have been

655
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:57.079
<v Speaker 1>completely different. By then, she had learned that the universe

656
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't give, it took, and it was about to take

657
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>her son's life. The only thing Leonarda could do to

658
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>stop that from happening was to give the universe another

659
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.279
<v Speaker 1>life instead of taking her son's. Giuseppes.

660
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, yeah, I was I wasn't gonna go WHOA.

661
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe this. I'm like, lost your flabbergast, I

662
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>literally because I didn't expect this. And now I'm like,

663
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:29.319
<v Speaker 2>fuck do I even say? Because I really liked her?

664
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Now what the fuck is she doing?

665
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 1>See what I said? See what I said? When there's

666
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:34.759
<v Speaker 1>like essentially two stories to.

667
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>This, Yeah, okay, wow.

668
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>So she had clearly obviously spiked the wine, and after

669
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Fustina had fell to the floor and began losing the

670
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>ability to move and most importantly, defend herself, Leonarda took

671
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.039
<v Speaker 1>one of her axes, swung it high in the air

672
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.119
<v Speaker 1>above her head, and struck down towards her on the ground.

673
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, she killed her while she laid on

674
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen floor. That's a pretty brutal way to die too.

675
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And there she laid, lifeless in pools of

676
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>her own blood, and her lifelong goal of being married

677
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.639
<v Speaker 1>now just a thing of the past. Leonarda dragged her

678
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>lifeless body over and stuffed Fustina into a cupboard. She

679
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>then began to clean up the scene and got to

680
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>work again. Once ready, she drained Fustina's body of all

681
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.760
<v Speaker 1>its blood, letting it sit in the kitchen basin and

682
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>slowly coagulate. She then chopped Fustina's body into nine different parts.

683
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.800
<v Speaker 1>She poured kilos of caustic soda that she'd usually used

684
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.039
<v Speaker 1>for making soaps together with the body parts into pots,

685
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 1>and then boiled Fustina away. Leonarda then took the coagulated

686
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>blood that she had in the basin baked it into

687
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 1>the oven until it was dry and brittle, before she

688
00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 1>ground it into flour, which she then used to bake

689
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 1>her teacakes.

690
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Are you shitting me right now?

691
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Nope?

692
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck just happened to this story? I was

693
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>like kind of enjoying this kind of like wondering exactly

694
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 2>where the fuck it was gonna go. And then this

695
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 2>is just like what.

696
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is like fucking missus love it's meat pies

697
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:19.599
<v Speaker 1>and shit.

698
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow.

699
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, in her own words, she said, I mixed it

700
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>with flour, sugar, chocolate, milk, and eggs, as well as

701
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 1>a bit of margarine, needing all the ingredients together. I

702
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.639
<v Speaker 1>made lots of crunchy teacakes and served them to the

703
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 1>ladies who came to visit. Though Giuseppe and I also ate.

704
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Them, she even herself ate that.

705
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 1>She even ate them.

706
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

707
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:57.199
<v Speaker 1>And when she was done with Faustina's body, she took

708
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.639
<v Speaker 1>the remains, the leftovers, if you will, and poured it

709
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>into septic tanks, and no one was the wiser.

710
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow. And here everyone just thinks this lady is off

711
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 2>with her husband, her new husband. Yeah, hm, not wild.

712
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>It is theorized that maybe Leonarda was thinking that by

713
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>serving Giuseppe and herself the cake, she was protecting them

714
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 1>and most importantly him, from the war. Who knows what,

715
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>but her motivations must have seemed a bit shaky, even

716
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 1>to herself, because it didn't take long for Leonarda to

717
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 1>start thinking that she maybe hadn't done enough, and she

718
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 1>couldn't let the opportunity to make sure Giuseppe was safe

719
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 1>slip through her fingers. When another opportunity presented.

720
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Itself, another opportunity to kill I'm assuming here well.

721
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>A woman named Francesca Sovie came to Leonarda, not to

722
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.159
<v Speaker 1>ask for a cure or from a curse, or help

723
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 1>her with a lifelong dream, but for something a little

724
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>more practical. Francesca was looking for a job, and Leonarda

725
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.880
<v Speaker 1>said that she knew of one. The only problem was

726
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a different village, so Francesca would have to

727
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:13.199
<v Speaker 1>leave everything behind if she wanted to take it. The

728
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>job was a good one. Francesca was going to be

729
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 1>a teacher in a girls' school, and she decided to

730
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>go for it. Leonarda convinced Francesca to send postcards to

731
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>her friends and family, explaining that she was moving and

732
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:28.119
<v Speaker 1>that it may take a while for them to be

733
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:33.039
<v Speaker 1>in touch with each other again. After that, Francesca stopped

734
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.800
<v Speaker 1>by Leonarda's house, paid her three thousand liar for all

735
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>of Leonarda's troubles and hard work, and then before she

736
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>set off, Leonarda offered her a celebratory glass of wine. Francesca,

737
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.599
<v Speaker 1>probably with a huge sense of excitement, took the sip

738
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 1>of her wine, and just like before, she hit the ground,

739
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 1>and Leonarda again took one of her axes and killed

740
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 1>the woman lying helplessly in her kitchen floor, before making

741
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 1>flour out of her blood and boiling her body away.

742
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is so bizarre. Yeah, like bizarre. Does her

743
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.039
<v Speaker 2>family realize what the I mean? I assume they don't

744
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>realize what she's up to here.

745
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I'm pretty sure they would have

746
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 1>said something otherwise. So, And there isn't much said about

747
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 1>her family outside of this either, so it's hard to

748
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 1>know for sure now. The second murder, though, kept Leonarda

749
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>happy for a while, but with Giuseppe's birthday creeping closer

750
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:41.559
<v Speaker 1>and closer, she began to grow uneasy again. This time,

751
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>she knew she had to do something special to make

752
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 1>sure her favorite son didn't end up falling victim to

753
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.280
<v Speaker 1>her mother's curse and dying like her other children had

754
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:55.079
<v Speaker 1>in the past. This time, Leonarda struck a little closer

755
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:01.239
<v Speaker 1>to home. Virginia Kachiopo was one of Leonarda's friends. The

756
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>two spent a lot of time together, having tea and

757
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:10.519
<v Speaker 1>eating cakes, but Virginia was a bit restless. She'd once

758
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 1>been an opera singer who'd performed at Lescala in my

759
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Land before she'd moved to Coreego with her husband to

760
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>settle down with a family. But Virginia was now a widow,

761
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and she knew that Leonarda had already helped two other

762
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>village women completely change their lives. So Virginia wanted to

763
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>travel again. She wanted to get away from the small

764
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 1>town village life, and one of her best friends was

765
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>able to get her away out. Leonardo kneu Of, an

766
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 1>organizer who worked putting concerts, in plays and operas together,

767
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and he was looking for a secretary.

768
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Conveniently enough, of course, she knew of this, yes, right.

769
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>The only problem was he lived and worked in Florence,

770
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.880
<v Speaker 1>so if Virginia wanted to take the job, she'd have

771
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.199
<v Speaker 1>to leave everything behind and move there.

772
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay, And I'm all I can think

773
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:10.880
<v Speaker 2>about right now is like, so she it's going to

774
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:13.519
<v Speaker 2>go down again exact probably em A that she's done

775
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>with these other two people, and for Virginia to be

776
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:21.320
<v Speaker 2>so laying on the ground paralyzed. Hm and just like

777
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.199
<v Speaker 2>what is going through her head? Like these other two people,

778
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.599
<v Speaker 2>they did not start a new life like she killed them.

779
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.719
<v Speaker 2>That would be the only Like you just be in

780
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:30.320
<v Speaker 2>shock and.

781
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Like what and this is your friend? Yeah above you.

782
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's brutal.

783
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well we're not quite there yet. But at this

784
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 1>moment in time, Virginia was delighted. She got everything organized

785
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Speaker 1>to move to Florence to start a new job. On

786
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.119
<v Speaker 1>her last night in Coreego, she went to visit her

787
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.039
<v Speaker 1>old friend who set up all this for her, and

788
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the two shared hit bottle of wine together.

789
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.

790
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Virginia toasted Leonarda and took a sip of the glass

791
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 1>of wine, and that was that. Leonarda murdered her good

792
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.079
<v Speaker 1>friend Virginia with an axe before making flour out of

793
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>her blood and boiling her body away like the others.

794
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 1>But while what was left of Virginia's body was on

795
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the stove, Leonarda noticed something special about Virginia's remains. If

796
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.599
<v Speaker 1>we shall and what was this? To quote her, she says,

797
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:34.000
<v Speaker 1>her flesh was fat and white when it melted. I

798
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 1>added a bottle of Colone and after a long time

799
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.719
<v Speaker 1>on the boil, I was able to make some most

800
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:45.119
<v Speaker 1>acceptable creamy soap. I gave bars to neighbors and acquaintances.

801
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.639
<v Speaker 1>The cakes, too, were better. That woman was really sweet.

802
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, that's interesting.

803
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>So she rendered her fat down, made fat or made

804
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 1>soap out of it, and then apparently her tea cakes

805
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>were sweeter than the other, the.

806
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Best of any Yes, I mean, I mean, oh, I

807
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I guess it's slightly a compost, but also

808
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.920
<v Speaker 2>like really weird. This is so brotal.

809
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if i'd say that's.

810
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're going to end up being a

811
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:20.599
<v Speaker 2>what is it a tea cup.

812
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.880
<v Speaker 1>A tea cake, a tea cake, a tea.

813
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Cup, like you'd want your you to be the best

814
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>tea cake. I guess I'm just saying, at least she's

815
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the best tea cake. I guess I don't know that that's.

816
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 1>One hell of a silver lining.

817
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just trying to put a positive spin on there.

818
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.800
<v Speaker 1>At least I made a damn good tea cake, all right.

819
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 1>My soap was creamy too.

820
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's just brutal. These poor people, Yeah, because the

821
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.000
<v Speaker 2>deaths are just horrid. How she's doing it.

822
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 1>And she also of course made sure that Giuseppe used

823
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 1>the soap made out of Virginia's body, of course, and

824
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:58.679
<v Speaker 1>with that she believed that she had officially protected her

825
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 1>son from dying in the war. She's like, okay, this

826
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 1>has to do it.

827
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 2>That's so interesting, okay.

828
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Especially with the soap, you know, probably creating like a

829
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 1>freaking shell or armor on him or something, who knows, right, So.

830
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:17.679
<v Speaker 2>In her brain she has convinced herself that she's done

831
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 2>what she needs to do exactly.

832
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Now. There is another twist in Leonarda's story, another prophecy

833
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:31.800
<v Speaker 1>that was destined to come true. So unlike the other two,

834
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Virginia had family living in Coreego, and they noticed when

835
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>she suddenly disappeared. She had also spoken about the job

836
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Leonarda had found her, while the previous two had actually

837
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>remained silent about what was going on at Leonarda's request.

838
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Even though Virginia was requested to stay silent about it

839
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>until things came into fruition as well, she wasn't quite

840
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.119
<v Speaker 1>as tight lipped. She was a bit more chatty a

841
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit, and when her family realized that she was

842
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.639
<v Speaker 1>actually nowhere to be found, before she was actually even

843
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.119
<v Speaker 1>supposed to take off for this job. They decided to

844
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.159
<v Speaker 1>go to the police and report her missing, who then

845
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>came knocking on Leonarda's door and asked if she knew

846
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.599
<v Speaker 1>where Virginia had gone. Leonarda told them the story about

847
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Virginia moving to Florence, but the police they weren't quite convinced.

848
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.239
<v Speaker 1>By this time as well, there were rumors of an

849
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 1>upsetting smell coming from Leonarda's home. Now, this is kind

850
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 1>of just hearsay sort of stuff, but this is kind

851
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>of something I wanted to throw it here and just

852
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 1>mention now. It was occasionally apparently the smell coming up

853
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 1>through the floors, though no one really seemed to think

854
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 1>much of it, as you know, she was liked in

855
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the community and you had a good reputation. But from

856
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 1>what I can deduce, the smell was coming from what

857
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.840
<v Speaker 1>she was pouring down the train right coming up from

858
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the septic tank or septic field through the floorboards into

859
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.440
<v Speaker 1>her house and potentially surrounding.

860
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Areas, which honestly makes sense.

861
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.239
<v Speaker 1>It does, it really does, because it's not like that

862
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 1>body is getting washed away into the river somewhere.

863
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.039
<v Speaker 2>No, So she's like very very near.

864
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so it does make sense that that occurred.

865
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 1>So now the police, they weren't buying much of her story,

866
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:20.519
<v Speaker 1>and they began poking around the house and Leonarda's other

867
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 1>stories regarding the other women were kind of starting to

868
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>fall apart as well, and it didn't take them long

869
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>to make these connections. Leonardo was found to actually be

870
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>selling articles of clothing and shoes that had belonged to

871
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.679
<v Speaker 1>some of these women. What yeah, And as soon as

872
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that connection was made, she was arrested.

873
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that doesn't seem like the brightest.

874
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it doesn't, but in her like who

875
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>what she was thinking is, who's going to know, like

876
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 1>these shoes belong to the specific women, show herself to

877
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>some other random person. But then when that random person

878
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 1>begins being like, oh yeah those are so and so,

879
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 1>yeah sure, like you know, I.

880
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Feel like it would be that would be that was

881
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:01.519
<v Speaker 2>a mistake.

882
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. So Leonarda was found to be selling these

883
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.719
<v Speaker 1>articles of clothing, she was arrested, and it actually didn't

884
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 1>take long for the police to began thinking outside the

885
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.320
<v Speaker 1>box a little bit. They were thinking that there's no

886
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.159
<v Speaker 1>way she did this alone, and they began to suspect

887
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that her son Giuseppe was also involved. Oh now this

888
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.400
<v Speaker 1>terrified Leonarda, and she didn't want anything to happen to

889
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:36.719
<v Speaker 1>her precious son, her favorite child, and she admitted everything.

890
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Just like that. Eh yep, I mean, okay, not that

891
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>the police intended for that to be. But that is

892
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 2>actually an amazing interrogation method, is it not? Oh yeah,

893
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 2>for sure, I mean that's not what they actually thought

894
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 2>he was involved, like as far as it's.

895
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Hell, they actually thought he could have potentially been involved.

896
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 2>But that is, like, that's a good interrogation method if

897
00:46:57.960 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>if one's ever needed.

898
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, like, oh we believe so and so was

899
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 1>involved in this too. Do you have anything to say

900
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 1>about that? Motherfucker? Oh my god, no, it was just

901
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>me like that.

902
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel like nine out of ten parents would

903
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Speaker 2>probably protect their or probably even higher would protect their

904
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 2>kid and take all the blame, especially if they had

905
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with it. Even if they did, they'd

906
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 2>probably just still take all the blame.

907
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But we police don't want to just get someone

908
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to falsely admit something. They want to figure the shit

909
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>actually happened, though, right touche. They don't want to force

910
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:31.519
<v Speaker 1>someone to just take the blame.

911
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but this were well, this was a good scenario

912
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.119
<v Speaker 2>here got her to blab away.

913
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Definitely, and so she was arrested. Like I already mentioned,

914
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Giseppe got to walk free, and she admitted everything. She

915
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>admitted everything from luring the women in with false pretenses

916
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 1>to spiking their wine to chopping them up with a

917
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>fucking lat using their remains to produce, to procure foods

918
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.599
<v Speaker 1>and soaps and that's sold in their shop and feeds

919
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the community, herself and her son. She admitted it.

920
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.599
<v Speaker 2>All that poor community. After realizing what they were like eating.

921
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine?

922
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:13.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's nasty, I know, And just thinking about it,

923
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, the biggest thing that gets me is

924
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking about baking blood to get like blood chips,

925
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:25.239
<v Speaker 3>and then grinding it down into flour and then using

926
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 3>it to bake.

927
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it's actually amazing that no one well no,

928
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess you're cooking. And I was like, people could

929
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 2>get sick, but you are cooking.

930
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 1>What if she's just like it. What if she's just

931
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.880
<v Speaker 1>like because because it's like all died red or something,

932
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 1>She's like, yeah, it's just red velvet.

933
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:40.559
<v Speaker 2>That's my special red velvet.

934
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, secret ingredients.

935
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 2>There you go. Yeah, and everyone's just like, oh my gosh,

936
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:47.400
<v Speaker 2>it's the best thing I ever tasted.

937
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>No thanks. Regardless of she was clearly tried for these

938
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.840
<v Speaker 1>three murders. She was tried in nineteen forty six, where

939
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 1>she appeared casually and uncaringly in court. She even actually

940
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 1>was reportedly correcting the judge over certain details on how

941
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the crime was committed and played out.

942
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that seems wild. Why what's the point of that.

943
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't really get it.

944
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

945
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that to this point it might be boasting

946
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:19.760
<v Speaker 1>about it and prideful.

947
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes she accomplished.

948
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so her fate was sealed. Leonarda's sentence was sentenced

949
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 1>sorry to thirty years in prison, followed by three years

950
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>in an Assam asylum, which she would die of a

951
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.400
<v Speaker 1>stroke in nineteen seventy while serving what remained of her

952
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 1>sentence in the asylum. So, whether or not the curse

953
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:46.880
<v Speaker 1>was true, all the fortunes told on her came true,

954
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 1>every single fortune, the multiple deaths of her children at

955
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:56.000
<v Speaker 1>young ages, the prison sentence, and even the time in

956
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.280
<v Speaker 1>an asylum.

957
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yes, like that makes it believable.

958
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:04.840
<v Speaker 1>It does. I mean, maybe the curse is true, or

959
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:09.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's coincidence, or maybe maybe the idea of this

960
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 1>curse drove her to the brink of insanity itself and

961
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:15.800
<v Speaker 1>caused her to live that very life that she so

962
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>desperately tried to avoid.

963
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like that's quite a coincidence.

964
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.159
<v Speaker 1>It's especially when you get down to those children.

965
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.840
<v Speaker 2>To that amount of children, you know, I mean, because

966
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them she did end up birthing right.

967
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think it was ten children that she Wow,

968
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>four miscarriages. I know four survived. I can't remember the

969
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.760
<v Speaker 1>exact numbers, but yeah, there was quite a few that

970
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 1>died at young ages.

971
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I just feel like, how could that. I

972
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:48.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like someone couldn't have that bad of luck.

973
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's the right wording.

974
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 1>And placebo effect only goes so far, right, but I

975
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:57.679
<v Speaker 1>think like she had some pretty severe mental things going on,

976
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>even if it was just down to being concerned and

977
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:05.400
<v Speaker 1>stressed over this potential curse. And I mean, I'm no doctor,

978
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm no physician, I'm no practitioner and nothing in the

979
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>medical field, but some stress like that has to take

980
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 1>a toll on a woman's body when she is carrying

981
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>a child.

982
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Stress is evil.

983
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.719
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if stress is akin to potentially

984
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 1>pushing miscarriages, but that very well sounds applicable to me.

985
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:28.320
<v Speaker 1>If she is that concerned over a cur this curse,

986
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe it pushed into her pregnancies.

987
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they say like stress is the new smoking, right,

988
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it can do very bad things to your body.

989
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it can very bad.

990
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 2>It's intense, so I mean, I mean not that this

991
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:43.920
<v Speaker 2>was back in the day, but still it was still

992
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.840
<v Speaker 2>in the same effect today. But yeah, I could cause

993
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:47.840
<v Speaker 2>some serious issues for.

994
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Her hundred percent. So yeah, that's the case. It's a

995
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:52.239
<v Speaker 1>wild one.

996
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that to me, this case doesn't even like is

997
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 2>are you sure this is a true crime? Are you sure?

998
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, it's like two fucking stories.

999
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I know, I actually have a hard time believing that

1000
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.039
<v Speaker 2>this is even legit, that this has legitimately happened.

1001
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.519
<v Speaker 1>It was an interesting one to research, going back and

1002
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 1>actually reading these. I had to double take a lot

1003
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 1>of times, Like rereading these, I mean, okay, wait, what

1004
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the fuck? Because it's it threw me for quite the

1005
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:19.960
<v Speaker 1>curveball quite a few times.

1006
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.440
<v Speaker 2>It seems like this should be a sitcom or something

1007
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:28.239
<v Speaker 2>or sit call something, but not a legit true crime story. Yeah,

1008
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.800
<v Speaker 2>it's one of the most bizarre ones. I would admit.

1009
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if i'd say a sitcom though, because

1010
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.280
<v Speaker 1>sitcoms are generally comedy. That's why it's okay.

1011
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Movie TV series, TV series. There is a drama, a drama.

1012
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there we go.

1013
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, because this was not funny. I'm I'm not

1014
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:46.440
<v Speaker 2>putting light to any of this.

1015
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:49.239
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I know what you mean. I just saying sitcom.

1016
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that quite quite fits.

1017
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I know what you're saying, but just something

1018
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:53.280
<v Speaker 2>made up?

1019
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, Well, do you have anything we got to

1020
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 1>talk about at the end of this? We got to

1021
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 1>wrap anything up. Do we have to point anyone in

1022
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:00.559
<v Speaker 1>any direction?

1023
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

1024
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:01.159
<v Speaker 1>We do.

1025
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:04.159
<v Speaker 2>We do one thing we should If you're listening to

1026
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.880
<v Speaker 2>this is what is Well, we're recording this on the twentieth,

1027
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.719
<v Speaker 2>but tomorrow is the twenty first, when this is released. Yeah,

1028
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.559
<v Speaker 2>check our Instagram, so it might be happening on there.

1029
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Should should uh should check.

1030
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:16.440
<v Speaker 2>It out at some point during that day. I don't

1031
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 2>know what time, but at some point, at.

1032
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Some point just keep an eye open because something happening

1033
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:22.920
<v Speaker 1>over there. I don't know if you understood what I

1034
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 1>just said. Something might be happening over there. Yeah, And

1035
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:28.840
<v Speaker 1>all the links for our social medias are down the

1036
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.159
<v Speaker 1>description of this podcast. You can get website, you can

1037
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.039
<v Speaker 1>get Instagram, Facebook, you can get merch, you name it. YouTube,

1038
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:35.840
<v Speaker 1>it's all down there.

1039
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 2>We got it all.

1040
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Check it out. Also, if you're feeling just that little

1041
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 1>extra generous, you can go ahead and give us a rating.

1042
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Ratings help us a lot. We got a couple recently

1043
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that were really nice and we appreciate reading them. So

1044
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:48.559
<v Speaker 1>thank you to you guys out there who have given

1045
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.360
<v Speaker 1>us those ratings. They mean the world.

1046
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they really do help. It's amazing.

1047
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But if you don't want to do it, that's

1048
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.840
<v Speaker 1>cool too. You're here and we appreciate that just the same.

1049
00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:57.519
<v Speaker 1>So thank you.

1050
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Well done on this. I feel like that'd been such

1051
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.519
<v Speaker 2>an in trusting one to research. It was.

1052
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>It was very interesting, to say the least.

1053
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

1054
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I might be like thinking about curses for

1055
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:13.280
<v Speaker 1>the next few weeks, and I don't know, thinking how

1056
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.440
<v Speaker 1>they apply in my life. Maybe I've been cursed or hole.

1057
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I think I have been cursed with beauty. Oh look

1058
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 1>at this beard. It's magnificent, majestic. This is clearly a curse.

1059
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just like your man bun's about to come in.

1060
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Exactly long story, long story, But I'm growing a man bun.

1061
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<v Speaker 2>Ben is growing a man bun.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why I'm bringing has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with me. I said one day I should grow a

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<v Speaker 1>man bun, and Nicole said, you would never, and here

1065
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.559
<v Speaker 1>we are. So now I'm growing a man bun, specifically

1066
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:44.440
<v Speaker 1>in spite and to prove it wrong that I would.

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<v Speaker 2>But apparently at any point I can tell him to

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00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:47.760
<v Speaker 2>get a haircut and it's gone.

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00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 1>But if she does that.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I lose. I win. This is so absurd. It's

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00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.639
<v Speaker 2>so absurd. This is just married life in the Gibson House.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with a man bun and a cursed beard of

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<v Speaker 1>beauty first of beauty.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you guys will one day be able to see

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00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 2>what Ben looks like with a man bun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we should have maybe put up a pole if

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<v Speaker 1>if it'll actually happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I don't know. It's your hair is getting

1079
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<v Speaker 2>pretty long. We might have to do like progress reports

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00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and ship.

1081
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we might, although I did specify that I'm allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to get a trim to shape it up because I

1083
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 1>got a weird shaped my hair right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I necessarily agreed to that, but yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there we go. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, thanks for staying around, especially if you're here

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<v Speaker 1>right now. We appreciate you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just gonna say, you guys know about Ben's

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<v Speaker 2>man bun.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a true fan, no kidding, All right, Well, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>sticking around, Thanks for listening. We appreciate you all, and

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<v Speaker 1>as of course, until next time, stay wicked

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<v Speaker 3>And