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Speaker 1: Judge declines to hand over video evidence of dispute between

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Gilan Maxwell's lawyers and jailer's. This article was authored by

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Adam Klassfeld, and this article was from yesterday, folks. I

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had this one saved in the pile here, and I

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was going to do it yesterday obviously, but with the

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Maxwell case being postponed, obviously that took priority. So today,

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being a relatively slow day, it just happened to work

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out that we had this one sitting right here on

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top of the pile. Less than a week after Gilan

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Maxwell's lawyer claimed her client got a mysterious black eye

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in jail, a federal judge declined to decline to order

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the Metropolitan Detention Center to turn over videos of an

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alleged incident involving attorney client communications to the accused sex

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traffickers defense lawyers. So the judge is not going to

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turn over the tapes to the defense lawyers. Now, I'm

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kind of torn in a situation like that because I'm

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really big on transparency, right and for everybody involved, I

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think that transparency is the proper way to go. And

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if there was some sort of incident, then the court

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definitely has to take a look at the tapes, and

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then if they deem that it's necessary to turn them over,

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then perhaps they should. But I don't know if the

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court is going to bend to those kind of requests

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from defense attorneys, because if they do, they're gonna have

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to do it system wide. And there's no chance that

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an average person like me or you is ordering anybody

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get any tapes inside of a jail. Okay, zero chance

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it's happening. I don't think they understand that while you

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have your basic rights while you're in prison, you are

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now remanded to the custody of the state, and there

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are parameters, and there are rules, and there are guidelines

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and a whole slew of things that I'd want nothing

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to do with. That's for sure that I find to

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be absolutely disturbing and inhumane in most regards. But you

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know what that what happens of that? Because I don't

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want to be in a situation where I end up

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in prison. Well, I stay out of trouble. I don't

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hang out with people like Jeffrey Epstein. Pretty simple, right.

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So Maxwell has made her own bed here. The jail

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conditions are shitty, there's no doubt, and the thought that

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the judge is going to turn over some sorts of

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sort of tapes to her lawyers or anything like that

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is pretty much a pipe dream. And one thing I

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will say about Nathan, Judge Nathan, is she's not treating

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Maxwell any different than anyone else would be treated here.

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She's giving Maxwell, you know, the same parameters to work

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by that these other high profile inmates that have been

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in this facility have been given. And in fact Maxwell

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has given more room, right, more wiggle room, more time

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with her lawyers, more time on the computer, all sorts

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of different things. So Nathan has been more than fair

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to Maxwell and her lawyers, and I think a lot

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of that is to help avoid, obviously some sort of

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bogus appeal moving forward. So Nathan has to make the

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judgment on what is permissible in the case, what's not

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permissible in the case. And so far the l's are

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stacking up for Maxwell. And here's another one for her

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and her big, high profile legal team that wants to

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tell you how smart they are, but guess what a

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lot of bark no bite so far. Maxwell's counsel Bobby

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Sternham claimed her clients guards confiscated her legal papers on

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April twenty fourth. And again, look, I'm not saying that

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Bobby Sternham is guilty of, you know, bringing contraband into

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a jail cell right or to their client. Definitely not

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saying that. As much as I don't think that their

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legal team is doing a great job or is as

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high profile as they'd like to think they are, I

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don't think that they would be, you know, involved in

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any sort of contraband per se. But that said, let's

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not act like it's never happened before. We know that

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lawyers have smuggled shit in to their clients. We know

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that there's lawyers who have smuggled guns in to their clients.

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So you know, look, the courts and the Bureau of

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Prisons they have to be very stringent in these matters.

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And obviously they saw something that they thought was out

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of bounce and they acted, and according to this ruling

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by the judge, they were within their bounds. So once again,

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it looks like Team Maxwell throwing a bunch of doodoo

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at the wall hoping some of it will stick. The

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Court is insured and will continue to ensure that Miss

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Maxwell has the opportunity to meet meaningfully and confidentially with

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her lawyers in light of all relevant circumstances, and consistent

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with the treatment of all other detained inmates in BOP custody.

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US District Judge Alison Nathan wrote, you know, and that's

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that's what it really comes down to. Right to be

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consistent with the treatment of the other prisoners, everybody has

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to be treated the same. There has to be the

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same sort of treatment for Maxwell and everybody else that's

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at the facility. Why our lawyers think that Maxwell should

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get better treatment than anybody else is just beyond me.

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I know that they're paying you know, top dollar for

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you know, the business class, but guess what, you're back

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in coach with the rest of us this time around.

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And that's just the way the cookie crumbles. You know.

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There's no uh Waldorf Astoria in prison. There's no Frederick

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Facai in prison. Oh, you might have a Celli in

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prison who will give you a quick haircut, but it

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certainly isn't gonna be the five hundred and fifty dollars

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shampoo and cut that you're gonna go get down in

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Manhattan that Maxwell is so used to. So, yeah, this

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is the treatment that average people get in prison. This

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is the way prison goes. There's rules and again Maxwell,

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for her to act like she's getting treated worse than

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anybody else is just ludicrous. She's getting treated better. I

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can't drive that point home enough. The isolated incident that

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took place on April twenty fourth, twenty twenty one, and

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the serious allegations leveled by MDC Legal Counsel and Defense

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Council in no way undermine the Court's conclusion that Miss

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Maxwell and her lawyers are fully able to prepare for trial.

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The Court is confident that all parties recognize the importance

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of this going forward and in advance of the upcoming trial.

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So Nathan's basically saying, look, I have all the confidence

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in the world and the Bureau of Prisons, which she's

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not me okay about, Well, we'll just put it like that.

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I don't have any confidence in the Bureau of Prisons

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or the Department of Justice, or the federal justice system

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in general, or these lawyers or the judges. You get

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where I'm going with this, folks, All of these institutions

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that we grew up being gas lit about. Oh the FBI,

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they care about the American people. Oh yeah, okay, sure,

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the CIA is great, They're really good. They're just worried

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about the defense of America and they're just doing their

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job right, just you know, doing whatever they have to do,

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torturing people. And give me a break with the CIA,

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all right, and the rest of the out off the

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bet agencies can go get tossed as well. That said,

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I don't see where Maxwell's lawyers and defense team think

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they're going to have any sort of you know, upper

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hand here or high ground here with this sort of strategy.

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They're being very combative, very very combative, and I think

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it's time ill spent. I think they'd be doing themselves

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much better if they'd worry about the trial that's coming.

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All right, there's no stopping this trial now. She's not

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getting bailed out. Stop with the history onics this is

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not the WWE Okay, you better worry about getting down

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to the brass tacks of it and worrying about your

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client's innocence or guilt, because, let me tell you what,

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this is all fine and well right now, all of

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this nonsense, but the combative nature of Maxwell's legal team,

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and they're continued nonsense is not gonna play out well.

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Maxwell's lawyers threatened the jail with litigation after the alleged incident,

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and asked the judge to order sharing the videos capturing

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it with the defense, again posturing we're gonna sue you. Well,

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we're gonna put this motion into play, that motion into play. Really,

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what it all comes down to, when you rip through

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all of the facade of it and you kick down

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the door, what it really comes down to is obfuscation

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and them trying to make this drag out a little

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bit longer as long as possible. That's what they want. Inevitably,

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that's what they want, and the synic in me says, well,

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her lawyers especially want it because you know the meter

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is running, right, those videotapes must be preserved in light

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of Defense counsels preservation letter, Judge Nathan wrote, So, the

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defense asked for the federal government to preserve those videos

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of the exchange between Maxwell's lawyers and the guards, and

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in consideration of that letter, those videos will be preserved

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by order of Judge Nathan. Now I'm guessing that Judge

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Nathan has seen these videos already. By the way, folks,

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if miss Maxwell or defense counsel are entitled to view

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or receive copies of those materials. As a matter of law,

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they should be provided to the extent defense counsel is

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seeking entitlement to those materials from this court. That application

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is denied. So as a matter of law, if they

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have a standing, a legal standing, to receive those tapes,

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then it's on the table. But as of now, with

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what they've brought to the table, Nathan saying no, you

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have not brought what is necessary for these tapes to

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be release, least over to you. In addition to raising

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attorney client confidentiality concerns, Maxwell's lawyers also have accused of

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the jail of intimidating and harassing their client. Well, if

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anyone would know about intimidation and harassment, according to the survivors,

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it would be Maxwell. So who cares, right? I don't

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buy it, all right? I guess that's really what it

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comes down to. I don't buy it. The federal government

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knows the spotlight is on them, They know that people

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are paying very close attention to what's going on with Maxwell.

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All of these allegations from Maxwell's legal team are just

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a bunch of bs, in my opinion, and meant to

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muddy the waters. Like usual, They're professionals at that. Right,

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these people have you know, slick PR professionals working with them,

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and you know a whole bevy of others, you know,

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crisis professionals, and they're coming up with strategies all day.

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It's like boiler room over there, folks. One of Maxwell's

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recent court filings alleged that she got a black eye

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for unknown reasons and did not report it to the

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guards for fear of retaliation. It just don't make no sense, right,

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She didn't so an unknown black eye, she didn't report

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it to the guards for fear of retaliation. What did

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the invisible man show up, slide on between the bars

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and give her a one to two combination drop a

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three piece on her? I mean, give me a break.

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It's so ludicrous. It's obvious that whatever happened to her

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eye is self inflicted. Fell asleep with some glasses on,

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rubbed her eye so hard. I'm not saying she punched

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herself in the fakes, folks, right, I don't you know,

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I don't know if she did that. But the whole

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premise that the mysterious bruise was caused by something other

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than her own, you know, accidentally causing it I just

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find to be ridiculous. I'm gonna need to see big

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evidence of that, right, So, I don't even know where

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her lawyers are going with this whole, the whole bruise strategy,

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but it's fallen flat. Right. Take a Coca Cola, open it,

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leave it out for two days, and that's how flat

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this strategy has fallen for them. Shortly after her arrest

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in July twenty twenty, Maxwell was placed on suicide watch

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and has been under varying levels of restrictive watch since

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that time. Her lawyers alleged that the Bureau of Prisons

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overcorrected to the lapses that allow Jeffrey Epstein to die

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in their custody in what has been ruled a suicide. Oh,

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I see what you did there, mister Klassfeldt. I appreciate

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that what has been ruled a suicide nothing definitive. We

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don't know, all right, none of us know one way

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or the other. We can have our suspositions, but unfortunately

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we have a shit bag federal government that is not transparent,

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that never wants to be transparent with the people, and

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instead they'd rather leave hanging answers out there for people

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to run with so you want people to run with it.

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People are gonna run with it. But I agree right

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with the way mister, with the way Klassfeld coined it.

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There and what has been ruled a suicide allegedly a suicide,

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basically saying the same exact thing. She's checked at night

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every fifteen minutes with light shining in her eyes so

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that they can check her breathing. Maxwell's attorney Bagdad Bob

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aka David Marcus, told the US Court of Appeals for

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the Second Circuit last month in an appeal of rulings

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denying her bell, the Americans are not in Baghdad, folks,

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Come on, what are you crazy? The Iraqi National Guard,

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the Iraqi Republican go they have met the Americans. They're

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not in Baghdad. Meanwhile, back in reality, there's Americans all

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over Baghdad. They're invading bag Dad. You see it on

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your TV. So that's what Oscar Oscar David Marcus reminds

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me of Bagdad Bob getting up there trying to gaslight people,

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trying to spin doctor things. Buddy, nobody is buying it. Okay,

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they're doing it because Jeffrey Epstein died on their watch

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and again, she's not Jeffrey Epstein. Marcus added later, No,

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she's not Jeffrey Epstein. But according to these survivors and

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according to the federal government, she's a co conspirator, Okay,

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an alleged abuser, in my opinion, a general all around scuzbag.

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So put that in your pipe and smoke at mister Marcus.

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Shortly after those arguments, the Second Circuits three judge panel

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unanimously denied Maxwell's appeal. But they're brief order invited Maxwell

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to take up her complaints to the trial judge, and

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that is the proper course, right The appeals Court wasn't

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hearing that. They were there to hear about the bell

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And now she takes this back to Maxwell, I mean

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back to uh Nathan, and you know, Nathan decides one

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way or the other what's going on here. To the

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extent Maxwell seeks relief specific to her sleeping conditions, such

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requests should be addressed to the district court, the panel wrote,

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And look, I've said earlier, if she's not suicidal, then

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I agree she should be taken off suicide watch. There

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has to be other, you know, levels to this where

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the government can keep her protected from others and herself

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and not have her on suicide watch? Right? Are they

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that incompetent? I mean, I don't put anything past the

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Bureau of Prisons, but I mean, come on. Judge Nathan

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did not comment on Maxwell's allegations regarding her treatment and custody.

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The Court intimates no views as to whether some of

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some other actions or process is appropriate or proper in

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light of either side's allegations. Her ruling states this Court's

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obligation in this case and any other is to ensure

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that the defendant is given the opportunity to meet with

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her lawyers, engage in confidential attorney client communications, and prepare

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for trial. Mindful of that obligation, the Court declines to

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take further action at this time. It continues because, let's

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be real, all of those parameters are being met. Maxwell

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has ample time with their lawyers, ample time to go

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over facts in the case, and all of this other

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stuff is theater. Nathan ordered the government to confer with

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legal counsel for prison officials to make sure Maxwell has

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access to attorney client materials as they should. She should

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be provided every last bit of it. You want it, fine,

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dump it on her, bring in a dump trunk a

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dump truck and dump it right in her cell. In

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any additional If any additional incidents arise, defense counsels shall

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promptly confer with counsel for the government regarding those incidents

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and seek to resolve any such issues swiftly, responsibly, reasonably,

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and amicably. The judge added, if that fails, the parties

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may write to the court jointly indicating their views, identifying

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and justifying any specific application being made. So basically, if

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the two sides can't get along and they can't figure

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it out, then the judge will have to step in

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and decide what's going to happen one way or the

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other about any future issues that might arise the same

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way she did here. Maxwell pleaded not guilty to allegations

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of sex trafficking and conspiring to groom and abuse women

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and girls for Epstein's predation. Is currently slated to stand

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trial on those charges July twelfth, and she will be

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tried separately on allegations that she perjured herself in a

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defamation lawsuit filed by Epstein's survivor, Virginia Roberts. And just

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to add here, like I said, this article was from yesterday,

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and it was before the Maxwell case was postponed, so

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that's why it still states July twelfth here. But the

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ruling is in the article. Obviously, you'll be able to

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click that in the description box and you'll be able

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to check it out for yourself. But folks, come on Maxwell,

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her legal team and all of their attempts to this

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point have been effectively cut off at the legs, and

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soon the time for self aggrandizement, the time for obfuscation,

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the time for kicking the can down the road, Well,

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that time is very shortly going to be at an end.

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If you like to contact me, you can do that

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p U C c I. All of the links that

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The chase