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Will Ojinon, Welcome back to the All Sports Discussion ACC podcast.
You're here to review ACC football Week eight, preview Week nine,
look at major college football for the upcoming week for
week nine, and we're we're gonna.
Speaker 3: Have a bull out of fun in the open mic.
Speaker 2: But before we get into this, I have a really
important question for you, Will, did you know that Mike
London was a detective.
Speaker 1: Drake?
Speaker 4: Seriously the Matthew Jeff. It's good to be on with
you guys, and look at forward to this. Looking forward
to catching up with you guys. It's been a while.
Speaker 2: I have to I have to be careful here not
to laugh because I'll start coughing my ass off. All right,
all right, all right, Will tell us anything about yourself
and anything that you want to plug. I did give
you a brief intro here. But you obviously have some
features on this on your site that you're working on.
Speaker 3: You have other.
Speaker 2: People working with you at accnation dot net. You have
perhaps pieces that you're blogging on at the site, you know,
podcast that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: The floor is yours, your friend.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah. So, like I said, me and me
and Jim do the ACC Nation podcast. We actually just
finished recording before coming over here. We had Jeremy Woman
of Cardinals sport Zone on to talk about the big
louisvill win over Miami from Friday nights. So I had
to add a good podcast there. Chat with him and
if anybody knows him, you put a quarter in it
and he will just go for a long time. He's
always a good a good guest. Yeah, so we do.
We podcast once a week, sometimes twice a week. We
have another one schedule for potentially this week started getting
a little basketball preview. Yeah. So I'm as far as me.
I do a lot of you know, I'm actually pretty
probably on TikTok. I do. We have a ACC Nation
TikTok account at ACC Nation Net. I have a personal
one at Will's World MN, just like my Twitter account
where I do non ACC stuff. But uh, yeah, I
have an Instagram account, Will's World of College Sports, which
I also do some college sports stuff on. Yeah, we do,
I I do. I do a lot of content, and
it's it's a passion of mine that I liked. I
like to just watch and talk college sports. So it's
I got a lot to say, and I found and
got my outlets out there.
Speaker 3: To talk about wonderful, wonderful. So let's get right to
this past week.
Speaker 2: Which ACC football team was the most disappointing team in
Week eight? And then give us the converse, who was
the most impressive ACC team in the week.
Speaker 4: Boy, I had two candidates for the disappointing one. I
couldn't decide on on either one, so I'm gonna just
say it's a tie. Why is Boston College getting blown
out by Yukon? That should never happen. I mean there,
they gave up over four hundred yards too. And I
know Jim Moore Junior is a really good coach and all,
but you shouldn't give up four hundred and fifty yards
and get sacked seven times by you against Yukon. That's
the b season now one and six, and after that
start where they obviously they won the first game, had
that really close loss to Michigan State in overtime. That
was a really really good game, and it just it's
just fallen off since the other team, I mean, Florida State,
What the hell has happened to them? Like the Virginia game,
Like did something happened that? Did Virginia expose them? Like,
how do you lose to Stanford Stafford's not an extremely
talented team, and then they lost their starter Rule Branson
early in the game played the freshman Elizer Brown. But
how do you outgain an opponent four forty four to
two ninety three and still lose. This season is spiraling
out of control for Florida State. It's I don't know
where the where the end game is. Obviously, I think
there's a very high change. Mike Norville is not going
to be the head coach of Florida State next season.
It's just a matter of when is it going to happen.
I don't think it. Most likely, maybe it won't happen
until after the season they kind of gently usher them
into another job to kind of start the clock somewhere else,
because I don't think they can afford to buy them out.
When the report that came out from on three that
the buying out the whole staff and whatever would be
like one hundred million dollars unless they're unless some boosters
really really start paying up. Don't don't see it happening.
As far as the most impressive performance of the week,
it's got to be Louisville going into Miami and upsetting
the number number two team in the country. And this
was something I talked about with Jeremy on the podcast.
Just the game plan Louisville had going into that game
was something that certainly was not on tape, coming out
into the wildcat formations, using multiple quarterbacks and the formations
to run the ball, getting one hundred yards out of
Isaac Brown, and having Chris Bell look like one of
the best receivers in the ACC holding Miami to sixty
three yards on the ground, forcing Carson beck in the
four interceptions that should have been five but not for
a bad roughing the passer call. And yeah, I got
to give the Cardinals a lot of credit because I
did not think that was.
Speaker 2: Excellent, well excellent, and can we give an honorable mention here, Will?
I thought it was impressive for Sumu to go in
and I mean, they did a pretty good job against
Clemson on the road, but not only that, that final
drive was just so decisive and so methodical that I'm
kind of floor I was kind of floored by it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely and Clemson's but big bugaboo is they still cannot
run the ball. I mean, I don't think they've had
they've really they've had like they're very high high risk
Kyrie war Like they either get like one yard or
two yards or they'll get twenty. There's no in between,
and it's not sustainable and a lot of their struggles
are are because of this. Also, I felt like it's
kind of funny that the one year DeVos twenty uses
the transfer portal that the team is completely regressive. So
maybe this is his his uh, this is where he
goes back to not using it.
Speaker 3: Oh Man. On that note, Jeff, I'm gonna turn it
over to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got I got one thought on that Miami
Louisville game. Of course, Losville was spectacular, you know, Jeff,
Jeff Brohm just had a great game plan, like you said,
will But if you're Miami and you're coming out of
that game, to me, the concerning part is it's not
that you lost. I mean, I think a lot of
people felt like, you know, Louisville was a team that
was capable of throwing a scare into Miami. You know,
maybe not ultimately pulling off a win, but you know,
probably one of the tougher remaining games that the Canes had.
But if I'm a Canes fan. The thing that worries
me is the play of Carson Beck. Like you said, well,
you know, he could have thrown five interceptions in that game,
and he got so rattled by what Louisville was doing.
You know, it really brings into question, you know, can
they make a playoff run with Carson Beck? I mean
they're so good around him, but you know if if
he if he's up against in Ohio State with that
you know, menacing defense, you know, is he going to
be able to be successful in the in those games?
Or is he is he gon gonna gonna crack like
he did against Louisville And you know, he had some
some pressure moments, I would say against Notre Dame and
you know Chris crystal Ball kind of took the ball
out of his hands and we all wondered, like hey,
late in that game, you know concern crystal Ball went
very conservative. But but does he know something about Carson Beck?
I mean he looked very much like the twenty twenty
four Georgia quarterback where you know, not the twenty three
version that came into that season as a Heisman candidate,
but the last year version where Georgia vans weren't too
sorry to see him go, And to me, that was
one of the most stunning aspects of that game, is
that that Carson Beck. You know, and give Louisville the
credit because they forced it, but he played Miami out
of a win in that game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and some of these games, like the I still
am baffled how Florida State made made that game competitive
the two weeks ago. But that was that was you know,
a lot of Mario being Mario. I don't think that
was necessarily Carson Beck. He he was awesome in that game.
And I still think just talent wise, they're the best
team in the league. But I'm concerned Mario is gonna
coach like he's had two instances this year where his
conservative nature late in the game is almost bit him
in the rear the Notre Dame game in the Florida
State game. What happens if they do that and they
actually lose. If they don't win the ACC, they're in
real danger of missing playoffs again with arguably the most
talented team in the league.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, great, great points there. All right, Will, let's
look ahead to Week nine. What ACC football game are
you looking forward to? The most in the upcoming week.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll be brutally honest. It's not a great
slate of games this week, but I think the best one,
at least the one that's probably the most intriguing to me,
is NC State a pit. I'm kind of curious to
see if State has figured something out coming out of
the buy after just a bad effort against Notre Dame
and they've lost three out of four, three three straight
losses to conference, the FBS fos, you know, getting you know,
losing by twelve, the Duke losing at home to Virginia
Tech at a game they had no business losing, getting
blown out by Notre Dame. Have they figured something out
coming out of the buy? And for pet it's the
emergence of Mason heinchell. I thought the way he showed
a lot of maturity in that Syracuse game because the
Syracuse defense was all up in on his business. They
sacked him seven times, but and he struggled as a result,
But he had a lot of resolve, He made the
plays when he needed to. He was he played did
not play like a freshman in that game given the circumstances.
And it feels like they've struck Gold and I'm very
excited to see this matchup. The second one, I would
say slightly behind that. It's kind of low key interesting
and that's SMU wake Forest. We know SMU is undefeated
in the regular season and the ACC. But Wake Force
is plucky, y'all. Remember they been legit should have beat
Georgia Tech a few weeks ago if they would have
called that offside on Georgia Tech. But this team, like
I think Dickard is doing a great job there in
year one, if they have an outside shot at a bowl,
which I don't think a lot of people realized. You know,
they don't have the talent, especially when they nearly lost
in Week one in the manner they did. But I
think that's a really low key game too. But the
most intriguing one to me is NC State.
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff there. When you're looking at Week nine,
will which ACC team could be on upset alert if
they're looking ahead, uh for a at a game on
their schedule or just sleepwalking on the field.
Speaker 4: H boy, that's a good question. I will I'll be
brutally honest. The way Virginia's offense has been the last
two games is kind of has me concerned a little bit. Obviously,
you know, they kind of pull one out of their
ass against Washington State. Thank you to the fifty plus
thousand attendance who had a big difference in that fourth quarter.
But I'm worried that going into North Carolina. I know
Carolina is not very good, but they almost be cal
I think, and I'm worried the offense sputters again for
a thurstraight game, that Belichick's going to have something for them,
and I'm just something there's just something deep down inside
of me that worries that Carolina is gonna upset Virginia
because because of the who's have been kind of living
dangerously the past couple of games, and at some point
it's going to bite them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, from my perspective, you know,
I don't I think that's an intriguing game. I mean,
I don't see North Carolina pulling that upset to be
per I think you guys will Virginia, you know, are
gonna be able to take care of business. But I
think for sure some of the points that you brought
up that could make that game closer than expected. North
Carolina went on went on the road to Cal. Played
played a very talented quarterback, you know, the young freshman,
you know, Jks, and you know, they held that Cal
team to twenty one points and if not for a
fumble inside the final four minutes, had a chance to
leave California with a lead. That was the first time
this season that I thought North Carolina actually did against
a decent opponent, did some quality things on defense. So
you know that that is one you know to kind
of keep an eye on. Maybe maybe North Carolina is
starting to figure a couple of things out. You know,
we'll see just how far along they they've come. But
I was kind of impressed by what they did at Cal.
And you know, that's a team that you want to
put them down quick as possible because if you leave
them in the game, you know, weird things can happen.
And you already talked about the game. You know that
Stanford Florida State game. Stanford had no business winning that
game Saturday night, but Florida State just slept walk through
that game, and you know, weird things starting started to happen.
Stanford gets confident, they start playing well, and then they
leave that game with a twenty to thirteen. You know,
a twenty to thirteen win that sins Florida State to
zero and four in the conference. And I mean this
is a Stanford team that was without their that lost
or starting quarterback, running back, an offensive lineman, and I
think someone in the secondary. I mean they were depleted.
And uh, that's when you want to go in there
and take care of business early against Yeah, that dangerous
you know, could could be a little bit dangerous North
Carolina team. I think you guys are gonna win. I really,
I'm confident in that. I don't see enough as that happening,
but like you said, in North Carolina might be showing
starting to show a little something here. All right, Matthew,
You've got something to add here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so will I actually think that Virginia may have
forty two points by the end of the first half
against North Carolina because I kind of think North Carolina
is like buying.
Speaker 3: It in right now.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't I don't think. I don't think
they have a prayer on Saturday. I think a lot
of those people in the North Carolina football stadium will
actually be trying to watch basketball on the big screen
TV in the football stadium. There I'm sorry if I
sound sarcastic here, but what I would what I would
ask you will and I'm actually being I'm not I'm
not being facetious here. You know, we're getting later in
the season, the pressure gets on. Georgia Tech is rank
seven in the country. There's seven, and oh, they're playing
really good football, but they're playing Syracuse at home, and
this is a game they should handle. If you're a
top ten team, you should handle that game.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Do we start wondering whether the pressure starts getting to
the Jackets? You know, I mean, I feel like Georgia
Tech should handle Syracuse.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh play really dashed him pretty well this past week.
But you know, is this something that the Jackets fans
need to be concerned about personally?
Speaker 4: No, because I just don't think they have a good
situation at quarterback. I mean, Collins was was mentioned this
game because he threw three picks, and I just it's
it kind of amazes me how different this team has
been since Angeli got hurt. And I did not expect
him to be as good as he was before he
got hurt, either, But yeah, I mean, I just I
just don't trust this team. I don't trust Syracuse the
rest of the season quite frankly, so. No, the only
way they I see Georgia Tech losing this game is
basically the first quarter of the Colorado game is repeated
and in more than one quarter. Otherwise, Yeah, they should
should win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a way in here on this, Matthew Uh.
You know, the Geordia Tech fan of me looks at
it like a lot of the points that you brought
up about the pressure getting to them, I think we
would have seen that this weekend. To be perfectly honest,
I think I think, Dude, was an extremely dangerous game
for Georgia Tech on the road. Georgia Tech was actually
an underdog. Duke came in on a on a roll.
Darian Mensa was playing fantastic. It looked like they'd put
you know, some of the issues we saw against Illinois
behind them. And you know, even even the way that
game started, Duke was out playing Georgia Tech through that
first half and and probably should have left, probably should
have led at some point, you know, ten fourteen to zero,
and and you know they had the punt, the fumble
return for touchdown, and and some of the mistakes that
that Duke made that kind of allowed Georgia Tech to
weather the storm, and then Georgia Tech, you know, took
command in the second half. I don't I don't think,
especially like what Will said with the with the way
that Collins is playing quarterback at Syracuse, I don't. I
don't think they're equipped to knock off Georgia Tech. And
that's where Georgia Tech now has to play like you know,
not only are they going into a you know, they
looked probably at Duke like, hey, this is a major test.
We've got to play well to win.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: Now you're playing Syracuse in a game you're expected.
Speaker 3: Better call them out then, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I look at the Syracuse matchup, you
know very much in the way that like a couple
of weeks ago, when Georgia Tech played Virginia Tech, you know,
a team that you know was capable if you're off
off your game, you know, could have made that game,
uh much closer than than than expected. And Georgia Tech
got up early on Virginia Tech and kept up on
at arms Laith through most of that game. And they're
going to need a similar kind of performance against Syracuse.
You know, they got to go and just take care
of business early. That's one thing Georgia Tech hadn't been
able to do this year is, you know, basically play
a four quarter game. I mean, they played some really
good halves and some really bad halves, but I'm not
sure we've seen him really play for really good quarters
of football. But you know, when I look at Georgia
Tech's schedule, I'm not overlooking Syracuse, but I would probably
I would say i'd say to have it a little
bit lower on the on the list of teams that
that have the most concern. I'm probably looking more on,
you know, on a road game at NC State, you know,
maybe the quarterback if Pitt the way, you know, he
seems to play very well at times, a little inconsistent,
but you know, Pitt's gaining confidence. Those are the couple
of games that probably have me more concerned. But we'll see,
you know, Georgia Tess got to play like that. I
mean we've seen them when they be off off their
game can can have been in some games where they struggle.
You know, Wake Forest was what was an example of that.
They were fortunate to leave Winston Salem with a.
Speaker 3: Win and that well and then if they blow them out.
Speaker 2: There's no reason that Georgia Tech shouldn't be in the
top five and that'll be my open mic rant next
week if they're not.
Speaker 3: So go ahead, Jeff, We're up next.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's step out of the ACC for
a bit here. Which national FBS game are you looking
forward to the most in week nine? And we're wide
open with this question. This can be power for G five.
You can even have an FCS matchup and then give
us the winner of that game.
Speaker 4: As far as FBS, you know, Missouri Vanderbilt is probably
the most important gear or the biggest game of the week.
The fact that Vanderbilt is a top ten team. Now,
I don't think anybody in their right mind would have
predicted at any point during the season. But here they
are six and one, the lone loss to Vanderbilt taking
on Missouri, who's also six and one with their loan
loss event to Alabama. Vanderbils lost to Alabama. But hard
for me to go against the Commodores right now with
the way they're playing. Diego Pavia, I wonder if he's
going to end up in New York City in December,
at least sitting there I don't think he's going to
win the Heisman necessarily, but I think he's a lot
of the reason Vanderbilt is where it is right now.
So yeah, Vanderbilt and host of Missouri and I know
college game, they's going there, and rightly so, because the
Vanderbilt story is a really cool story. We know them
as basically a patsy at the SEC, and the fact
that they're a competitive football team right now, I think
that's awesome too. FB G five game, I actually wanted
to highlight to South Florida and Memphis. The game kind
of got a little bit the luster taken off of
it by Memphis losing to UAB, and that was a
cool story in and of itself. But you're looking for
the G five representative in the playoffs, this game may
go a long way towards deciding it. We know, you
know South Florida six and one in the season, that
lone loss to Miami. They look really they have a
really good good quarterback Byron Brown's who's a really good
dual threat guy. You know Memphis right that both of
these guys honestly are gonna be gonna be candidates for
some head coaching jobs here after the season. So maybe
maybe there should be some fan bases that need to
scout this game because you're, you're, you're one of these
coaches might be coaching your team here in about two months.
Speaker 1: All right, Matthew, you got something to add.
Speaker 2: Here, Dakota Mark or well, it's on ESPN two or
ESPN you. I don't think they've decided yet, but number
one North Dakota State's going to South Dakota State. Number two,
who's winning Hell of the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did not realize it was. It was this weekend. Yeah,
nor North Dakota State once again. Just it was just
kind of like one of those automatic programs, Matthew, or
it just feels like you they lose a coach to
the f to the FBS level, they just next man
up succeeds again. And South Colakota States that way, and
a lot of respects too. I mean, Washington State's coach
came from South Dakota State, if I remember correctly. I
remember he won the national championship a couple of years ago.
So it doesn't surprise me that these two teams are
still really, really, really good this year. But yeah, I'm
gonna take North Dakota State.
Speaker 3: And it's gonna be a hell of a game.
Speaker 2: It's good, it's it's gonna be I honestly think it'll
be the best game at the eight o'clock hour. I mean,
I'm not exaggerating when I say that it's gonna be
too hard nosed teams going at it, and it's just
gonna be it's gonna be ridiculous. It's gonna be absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jeff, Yeah, game that that's gotten my I'm
gonna keep my eye on And I think this is
this is b Why use Georgia Tech at Duke game.
B yu's got to go to Ames and play Iowa State.
They're seven to zero, They've had a bunch of close wins.
They got the young freshman quarterback who's who's played so well.
I think b YU is a very quality team. That's
a good football team. I think they're you know, appropriately,
you know, ranked in the in the top twelve. But
I think their undefeated run is coming to an end.
If it's not gonna happen this week, it's gonna happen
next week at Texas Tech. I just don't think b
YU is explosive enough. You know to to run the
table through the Big twelve. But if they get by
Iowa State, man, I think that would be an extremely
impressive victory for the Cougars. So I've got that. I
got my eye on that game and another one I'm
curious to see. It's Texas A and M at LSU.
You know, after that opening win at Clemson, you know,
everybody was talking about LSU, you know, a national championship team. Well,
you know, we know about Clemson at this point, and
now we're finding out that, you know, Brian Kelly's got
another you know, uber talented team that he's coaching down.
I mean, that just seems to be what he's what
he does. He's he's he's like James Franklin light here,
and I think he's he's starting to approach you know,
possibly the same fate.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: That's a massive game, uh for LSU and Brian Kelly.
I think if they lose Texas A and M, I mean,
they're they're completely eliminated from any playoff consideration. And you know,
LSU is gonna have to think long and hard if
he's the coach, you know, that could bring LSU back
into national prominence. I mean he's always going to be good.
But you saw at Penn State that that wasn't good enough.
Good wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2: You couldn't say that without laugh I heard it in
your voice. Which part you said, whether he's going to
bring it back to National Providence. I heard you chuckle, Jeff,
I heard you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think he will. I don't have
a lot of faith. But if he wants, if he
if he wants a prayer to try to win back
that that fan base. Uh, you better knock off number
three Texas A and M because this was, you know,
with nuss Meyer coming back with a ton of transfers
coming in a really talented defense. I mean, they had
a roster that should have like walked into the playoff
and they're on the on the verge of being eliminated
before the leaves finished changing, which it would is, you know,
may not be as stunning on the level of, you know,
what happened to Clemson and Penn State, but what would
still be one of the more surprising teams to be
eliminated from playoff considered at this point in the season.
All right, Will We're in the last couple segments of
the podcast, and our next segment is you know, just
for you, it's our open mics segment. You know, go
ahead and just you know, speak on any subject you want.
This floor is yours. Uh, you know, no other open
mics for Matthew or I. This this is Will's time
to speak.
Speaker 4: All right. So I think I want to just talk
about my excitement for this ACC basketball season coming up,
where I really think there's a lot of I think
the league as a whole should be a lot better
this year. We know Duke has got the talent. I
really like Louisville this year. I haven't put out my
my predicted standing set. I'll do that all the morning
of the season, but I'm seriously considering having Louisville win
the league this year. I just really like what they
are bringing in Offensively, They're just they can shoot from everywhere.
And I you know, they have Isaac McNeely coming over
from Virginia who is a very sharp shooter, and I
think in a more up and I think he's going
to do great things there. Inc he stayed going out
and getting Will Wade. I think they're going to be
at the top towards the top of the league right now.
He's you know, say what you want about him as
a person, the fact is he even just flat out coach,
and I'm really excited to see what he can do.
And Raleigh, obviously, Virginia's got Ryan Otum. I think he's
going to pay dividends year one, turning over the entire
roster and you know, bringing in a lot of proven
players and actually running an offense that's not going to
lull people to sleep. I mean no disrespect to Tony Bennett,
but I in those last couple of years, it just
it just got hard to watch at times. I'm very
curious to see how Carolina does. I'm not fully convinced that, uh,
they're going to be where a lot of people think.
I just haven't seen enough from Hubert Davis to make
me think that he's a good enough coach for the job.
Uh and you know, quite free worthy. How about these
new other coaches, you know, were Miami has a chance
to improve definitely this year. You know, Florida State as
a new coach, I think I think there it's going
to take Loue Locks a little more time to get
Florida State where they need to be a kind of
a sneaky like Notre Dame this year. So yeah, this
is going to be a real fun year in ACC basketball,
and I'm really excited for the season to begin here
in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: I think Virginia Tech's got Luca Luca and it's team right.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's another thing Matthew and Tech Tech, Like,
I think we talked about it at one point and
I guess said, hey, there's there. I'm pretty certain that
Virginia Tech will not be playing on Tuesday in the
ACC Tournament this year, so I think I think they
have a chance to finish in top half of the
league this year.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty crazy that they have that. There's
a guy that's gonna be I think is going to
be a potential lottery pick and he's playing in Blacksburg,
which I never thought would happen in my honestly, in
my wildest dreams. And he's he can play three different
positions on the court. It's kind of crazy. It's kind
of crazy, and I'm with you, Will. I mean, the
the league is going to be so much better. I
almost think to the point, are we at the point? Well,
let me ask you the follow up here Are we
at the point where a five hundred record within the
conference will get you into the NCU?
Speaker 4: I think, I think so, I think. I mean, obviously
it depends on the wins and losses. Uh, you can't
be like Stanford where you won twenty games but you
had a Q four loss that really screwed everything.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, it's the un and the
you make it. Bring up a good point.
Speaker 2: Of course, we've got the unbalanced league schedules and that
sort of thing, and teams playing other teams and that
sort of thing. I think, if I'm not mistaken, North
Carolina and North Carolina State are only playing each other
once this year?
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Which I think is insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I hate this unbalanced scheduling quite frankly, and but
this is what you get when you have this many
teams in the league.
Speaker 3: Now amen, Amen?
Speaker 2: All right, Well we're at the final segment. Here, We're
at the final segment. Open microphone too, you get another shot?
Speaker 3: Here? Will the floor is here?
Speaker 4: Ooh? Else? Let me think. I mean, I think the
other thing I would like to bring up is just
how up and down this college football season's been. Just
where all these teams that have been in the new
teams that are in the top twenty five of the
eight people that aren't normally there. Indiana number two, I mean,
Georgia Tech number seven, Vanderbilt number ten, Virginia at sixteen,
I mean a South Florida eighteen, and you know we're it.
I think some of this is the effect of the
Transfer Portal in a positive way. You know, you being
able to you know, retain talents and you know, supplement
with you know, pieces from the G five maybe the
FCS level, and you when it all when it all
works out like it has, you know, you you get
a Virginia that's you know, you're undefeated in the league
and one loss, you get Indiana, who you know, they
had added Fernando Mendoza. They they've really loaded up in
the portal in these two years under Kurz Signetti. They're
currently sitting at number two in the country. Vanderbilt they
pulled Diego Pavia out of the portal and he's been
a godsend to that program. Yeah. So I think as
much as I understand the hate the hate of the
portal for people because of the lack of loyalty, at
the same time, you know, it's an opportunity for these
kids to play major college football and get an opportunity
to you know, in a lot of these cases, they
get more of a chance to put on film to go,
you know, to potentially get a spot in the.
Speaker 3: Enough great comments will great comments. I'll just be very quick.
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt's awesome because I think they're the oldest team in
college football.
Speaker 3: This is why they're winning.
Speaker 2: I'm actually being a little facetious about that.
Speaker 3: But they've got a bunch.
Speaker 2: They've got like more graduate students, I think than any
other FBS team in college football, and they have a
whole boltload of juniors and seniors on this team, and
it feels like they've been playing for this moment for
several for several years. And I think having an older
team isn't always a bad isn't always a bad thing
in college in college football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're at that point in the college football season.
You know, we're fans of the SEC or pollen ticking
for eight playoff teams and you know, into the into
the college football playoff. But the fact remains, and you
can't use this argument in both both the wrections. I'm
not going to say the SEC isn't isn't the best
football league in college you know football this year. I
do think it is. I do think it is the
the deepest, and I wouldn't argue argue that I don't
think they have the best teams, maybe not even the
best two teams, which I think right now you have
to say is Ohio State and I'm gonna put Indiana there.
I think they've they've done enough to prove that they
are one of the two best teams in the country.
And I would have put Miami in there prior to
their loss to Louisville. But you can't have the argument
that your depth, the depth of your league is proven,
you know, by having winless conference teams like Mississippi State
who beat Arizona State, and you know, Auburn beating Baylor
and at the same time have an er and four
Florida State team knock off your your league leader, Alabama
by two touchdowns at game one. You can't have both arguments.
And you definitely can't say, well, they're different teams now,
because the only time that mattered is when they played,
and when they played you know a team that's that
went on to be I don't know if I'd say
Florida State is the worst team in the A C
C H, I say, you got to put you know,
Boston College there and probably in see North Carolina. But
there's no one who's gonna put Florida State higher than
sixteenth at this point. You know, they knocked off Alabama.
I know we all were solid, we know what the
final score was. So I mean, any any discussion of
that of the SEC stops right there. When you're trying
to politic more teams in yeah, you can't use the argument.
You know that Ole Miss has that much difference when
Virginia when you're looking at they played the common opponent
they played, they basically had the same game. You know,
they struggled to beat Washington State, came away with a victory.
You know, Virginia also as a heavy favorite, struggled to win,
but you know eventually came away and beat a feisty
Washington State team. And they both have one loss. Now, okay,
all Miss you know did lose to h to Georgia.
But you know, it's just it's just another example of
you know, how we try to evaluate these teams. You
have to look at them individually, and you know, you
can't say, well, so and so beat like seven ranked teams,
because it just doesn't you know, we we know what
we've seen with with the SEC. You beat a ranked team,
you move up ten spots. You lose to one of them,
and you move down two spots. I mean, it's out there.
It's it's out there in front of us. I mean,
they're gonna get four teams in. There's no question about that.
But and and I wouldn't I won't even have a
problem with that. But you can't automatically say that that
the the Big twelve, you know, only necessarily deserves one
at this point, or the ACC only deserves one, or
that uh an SEC team would run through the Big
ten schedule. The evidence is just not there that that
would be the case. You know, you can't say, hey,
you know this team went to Arkansas and wow, great
great struggle win for Texas A and M, when we
know Notre Dame went down there and and annihilated Arkansas.
So but here we are in that time of the season.
You know where the where the fine bombs are going
to argue for for eight or nine, and the coaches
in the SEC are going to argue for expanded, you know,
playoffs to make sure their jobs aren't in trouble and
they don't end up, you know, you know, being the
next James Franklin or Napier or one of half a
dozen coaches that got fired this year. But that that's
my rant. You know, evaluate these teams on wins and losses, record,
common opponents, the whole record, you know, road power for wins, wins,
over power for conferences and and things like that. And
and I don't want to hear a word about like
a hypothetical result. You know, I don't care if if
Alabama played Florida State. Now, I don't care what the
result would be, doesn't matter. We know what happened when
they played, and Alabama got the breaks beat, you know,
the daylights beat out of themselves to a team that's
now zero and four in the ACC. That's the fact.
Speaker 3: Well said.
Speaker 2: Well said, Hey, will I have one more question for you.
How happy were you to see North Dakota play Minnesota
and college hockey last night?
Speaker 4: And man, I wish I wish they would do that.
I hope they would keep doing them more often. I
just it's such a great rivalry. It's such an underappreciated rivalry.
And you know, funny thing, I was talking to somebody
this week about how I missed the old w c
CHA for that reason. Have all these local rivalries of
Minnesota taken to North Dakota and Mankato and Saint Cloud
Deluxe and all these, like all the backstories, all these
you know, local kids who kind of got snubbed by
the big time program in Minnesota going to play for
one of these other schools and just kind of sticking
it to them. I love I love that rivalry.
Speaker 2: It was fun to say, It was fun to see,
and I hope they continue it.
Speaker 3: I'd hope they continue it will.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us on the All
Sports Discussion ACC podcast. We appreciate you spending your Sunday
evening with us and we'd love to have you back, come,
come back on the show sometimes. Thanks so much for
coming on the show.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Guys, have a going