Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist
Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittles, senior Elections correspondent at The Federalist,
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guest today is US Senator Ron Johnson, Republican, representing the
great and electorally powerful state of Wisconsin. Thank you, sir
for being here and joining us on this edition of
the Federalist Radio Hour.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: We've got much to talk about. You've been extremely busy.
I can know, and I can speak for that having
covered you in Wisconsin since your election first in twenty ten.
You're in the middle of your third term and there
is no rest for the weary, is there not?
Speaker 2: Really not? When our country is in the amount of
peril it is in. We need everybody that has their
eyes open, that understand what the radical left is doing
in this country to engage in the fight. And it
is a fight. It's a fight for our survivals in nation.
Speaker 1: Indeed, I wanted to talk to you and we'll delve
into Wisconsin's significant role in the twenty twenty four election,
just as it played a significant role in twenty twenty
in twenty sixteen as a swing statement. Before we do that,
I wanted to get the latest information. You have been,
along with many colleagues, but you in particular, have been
investigating the assassination attempt former President Donald Trump, the GOP's
presidential candidate, in the incident, of course, occurring in Butler, Pennsylvania,
July thirteenth. First and foremost, are you as I don't
know exactly what the word is. It's not disappointed, because
we know motives and means here. But are you as
Are you surprised as I am that the accomplice media
in this country has so memory hold this horrifying incident
that occurred before our very eyes, right before the Republican
National Convention.
Speaker 2: Well, it's shocking, but it's not surprising at all, just
like it's not surprising that they put her on a pedestal,
proclaimed to're really the second Coming and will do everything
they can do make sure that President Trump's defeated has correct.
I mean it doesn't surprising the slightest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean it is interesting though, to note,
I know that you are talking to constituents all the time.
What are they telling you about where things stand in
America post assassination attempt?
Speaker 2: Well, as I've said repeatedly, if you were to design
investigation that was specifically wanted to create suspicion and drive
conspiracy theories, you'd go about it exactly the way the FBI,
Secret Service, Department Justice are going about this, almost completely opaque.
The only time they provide any information is when there's
a ramping up of public pressure. Yeah. I think our
congressional investigation will end up being an investigation of the investigation.
It was my staff. Again, what's unusual of my staff
is I'm the ranking member on the permanent subcoming investigation.
This should be the premier investigatory body, the Senate. But
you can tell the Senus not particularly serious about investigations.
I have five staff members. That's the budget they give me.
I've got five staff members, but their experience so Almost
immediately after the assassination attempt on July thirteenth, my investigators
started contacting the local law enforcement, and I would say
to this day, what we know about what happened in
January thirteenth is or July thirteenth is coming primarily from
local law enforcement videos, audios, ewins, accounts from rally goers,
not from the FEDS. So I mean that's why we
have those very early conversations, and I issued my preliminary findings.
I think within a week where we laid out an
initial timeline, we continue to update that. That's, by the way,
that's the way you do investigations. You do a timeline
and you keep filling in the blanks. You can be
looking for information, and you know that as investative reporting.
I mean, it's unbelievably revealing. So anyway, so we provide
that timeline, we continue to update it for the public
and really trying to solicit more information. So if somebody
knows something and they looking at my timeline, oh they're
missing this piece, they can call into our office. So
that's how we're going about doing this. But I mean,
the FEDS aren't really providing us anything. FBI is interviewed
over one thousand individuals in a hearing a couple of
weeks after the assassination attempt. I asked Deputy Director of
the FBI Abate, Now, we want your the transcriptions of
those interviews, you know, the three oh two's, And he
said he's going to check on it and get them
to us soon. But we have not got one three
oh two yet. We've not got one of their transcriptions.
We've been able to interview less than twelve people, and
of course Acting Director Roe said that those interviews will
start within days, that weeks a little bit more than
a week. But it's not exactly like we're getting just
a flood of people to interview. Plus they're they're withholding
documents when when they give us documents, for example, is
pertaining to a particular person we're interviewing, but we'll get
him sometimes just minutes before the interview and with heavy reactions,
so you can't make an effective use of the documentation.
So this is exactly, by the way, this isn't my
spurs rodeo with the FEDS on this. Sure, this is
exactly how they fin cooperation. They spoon feed you just
enough to keep the subpoenas at Bay out. Again, if
I were chairman, I'd be issuance penis. But Democrats generally
are not real fond of investigating government and so you know,
Gary Peters and Ruchard Blumenfeld, they're not issurance penis there Again,
we have been in session. We'll be back in next week.
I hope to have a meeting and put more pressure
on the process because the American people have right to
know these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they most certainly do. And I guess from what
you have found out as you continue to fill in
the timeline and fact you just updated that most recently
within the last few days. But as you hear more
and more from these US Secret Service officials, the acting
director of course, the folks and the FBI who are
supposed to be engaged and involved in a real investigation
into finding out what happened, we know that this was
an abject failure of mission. That we don't need an
investigation to find out that we need to know why,
how this all happened. Are you are you feeling more
and more that these government officials, these Biden administration officials
are lying to you, then it's.
Speaker 2: Not giving us the information. So finally, what six or
seven weeks after the fassination attempt, they put five individuals
I administrative leave. What exactly does that mean? Yeah, i've
been for still getting paid. I mean, are they still
in the opposite We really don't know. We don't know
exactly which ones or what the reason a rationale were. Again,
the people they are offering us for interviews, I mean,
I can't say we're finding that they're lying to it,
so they just don't have much information. Again, from from
my standpoint, the number one person I wanted to interview
was the sniper who took out crooks, because again there
were there were conspiracies floating around that the sniper had
friction and sites for a minute or two and asked
for permission to take them out and permission was denied.
Now the City Services com completely denied that. I think
other people that we have talked to that does not
sound plausible. But I'd like to I'd like to talk
to the sniper. You know, again, our timeline generally timelines
are in days, right, I mean this timeline is in
minutes and then in two seconds around the shooting, and
I mean the snipers had a lot of time to
be looking at the AGR building and try and find
some of these sites, and we know from the video
from the individual who got shot twice. I mean, talk
about you know, coincidence. This guy's shooting a video, then
he gets shot twice. But his is a really interesting
video because three minutes before the first shots were fired
at six oh eight, we see crooks running across the
top of that building, kind of step going up and
down in the right right hand part of the screen,
so you can see it from the ground. I mean,
if you're a sniper team, you've got a picture of
crooks sent to you. I think I think twenty six
minutes before the actual shooting. You know, we have confirmed
that the Secret Service lead sniper knew about that and
the individual suspicious individuals around the AGI building. I mean,
you would think you just have your sights on the
AGI building. And again we were not talking to sniper.
Speaker 1: I'm not the only person asking this question. And that's
what you talked about at the out set of our
conversation that if you wanted to create a storm of
conspiracy theories, you couldn't ask for a better way to
do that than the failure of the Secret Service in
federal agencies involved to provide the public with the information
that it truly needs. So here's the question. As you
go about investigating this, do you have any concerns that
this wasn't just a twenty one year old twenty however,
a twenty two year old kid who wanted to for
whatever reason shoot the former president of the United States
killed the former president of the United States. You believe
this is an inside job.
Speaker 2: Well, again, a rank amateur probably you know, a kid
if you were to take him to that stage and said, okay,
now you're in charge security. Yeah, we want to make
sure that nobody could shoot the president this vantage point
where what we have covered, you know what would we
secure and a kid would make sure that the AGI
roof was secured, right, so you have that. I mean
it again. So the failure was so it was such
a spectacular failure that you kind of scratch your head
and go, how could that possibly happen? Here? We are,
what seven or eight weeks past the assassination attempt, and
we still knew who called the shots. We have been
able to talk to the people who made decisions on
the perimeter and security. You know, we don't have an
answer for why the CE Service did in'tuw up to
the nine o'clock security briefing. We just you know, why
did you turn down the local radios that were offered
to you. Why did you release the body for cremation
before you made public the autopsy and tox College reports?
What is behind the encrypted accounts of crooks in different
foreign countries? Now I have read that they're pretty standard encryption.
They're able to break into that. Okay, why aren't you
showing us what that is? You know what is interesting that? Again,
this it's shocking, but it doesn't surprise me because I've
been slow locked, slow walked, and stonewall stonewalled by federal
agency and every investigation I've ever undertaken. But it's such
a stark contrast with local officials. And again this just
ties in the larger theme of the genius of our
founding fathers. Local government close to the government, where it's
more accountable, more efficient, more effective local law enforcement. When
there's a tragedy under their jurisdiction, they hold daily press briefings,
if not multiple briefings a day. Right, they keep the
public up to speed, even though they realize some of
the information may be inaccurate, it may change. They have
enough confidence in the public that they're telling them what
they know, what they believe is true, and they'll update
it regularly. What happens to the federal government, it just
goes into a black hole, never to be revealed again.
I mean that's certainly what we saw with the warrant
commissioned and the JFKI investigation. How many decades later, Yeah,
and we still don't know, although enough is coming to light,
deathbed confessions, that kind of stuff that it sure sounds
like there's a lot of, you know, complicit activity on
the part of the CIA.
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Speaker 1: I guess that's the question. You're talking about the Kennedy assassination.
You're talking about an event that happened more than sixty
years ago. We don't have all of the information in that,
and the definitive look is not the Warren Commission report.
I think with a vast majority of Americans agree with that,
even if they believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
There's some magic bullet or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: This is as you mentioned, this is less than than
two months from the assassination attempt of a former president
who is running to be president again. You get the
sense that this thing, when we really truly have answers
about it, there will be people involved in this situation
long dead before anything close to a definitive response comes out.
And you get that feeling, in particular the way that
these federal agencies at the center of this thing have
been dragging their feet. Are you concerned that we certainly
won't have a sense of where things are by a
election day, but it will be much longer than that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're not going to be revealing things for
the election day. I would be shocked if so all
of a sudden they open up. But you know, this
is an ongoing problem with powerful federal government. Federal government.
Let's face a Department of Justice, it's the law, the FBI,
they are the law, and they hold themselves above the law.
As a result, and unfortunately, Congress has allowed its oversight
an investory capabilities to completely atrophy. You know, we have
a sergeant in arms. We could go arrest people who
are in contempt, but we don't do that. We throw
it over the Justice Department. And let's face it up,
you're investing in a Democrat administration with a Democrat attorney general.
Nothing ever happens to it. Now when the tides are
turned and Congress investing in a Republican with the Democrat
attorney general, well then you have Steve Bannon and Peter
Navarro put in jail.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. Yeah, which is troubling and it's what you
and I can talk about for hours that not every
one of our listeners would certainly know about. But you've
seen this movie play out in Wisconsin before disparate treatment, unconstitutional,
perfect storm of wrongs and what was called the John
Doe investigation led by election regulator bureaucrats and Democrat district
attorneys in the state's largest counties going after then Governor
Scott Walker and anybody remotely allied with him, you know.
And it's something that your colleague in Congress, a member
of your Republican Congressional delegation in Wisconsin, told me in
twenty seventeen, just as Trump was taking office. What happened
in Wisconsin would be writ large nationally. And we have
seen the weaponization of the Department of Justice now under
the Biden Harris administration. You've been dealing with that since
before Joe Biden claimed victory in the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2: I was literally a target of the FBI's disinformation campaign,
their pre sabotage of the Hunter Biden laptop. The FBI
took possession then in December twenty nineteen, Senator Grassley and
I were investigating Hunter Biden. We didn't know about the
laptop laptop at the time, but all during twenty twenty,
we were being accused by our Democrat ranking members and
as a result, members of the media, of being of soliciting,
dissemining Russian disinformation, of being a tool of Vladimir Putin. Now,
nothing further, nothing could be further from the truth. Our
report is completely stilld the test of time. It's almost
undercent based on interviews with US persons. A federal government
documents that type of thing. But in August twenty twenty,
again this is after months of being accused of being
a tool of rush, of soliciting Russian disinformation, spreading it around,
I get an unsolicited briefing, so separately so did Senator
Grassley from the FBI, saying that I was a target
of Russian disinformation. I'm literally just rolling my eyes in this,
in this briefing, and I'm going, okay, do you like
have information? I mean, is there do you have some
intelligence on this? And then you know the kind of
you know, there's like six people out there briefing me
and they have nothing, you know, And I said, okay,
now I'm p O and okay, I said, I want
to know who directed this briefing, who told you to
brief me? And they kind of look at each other
like a bunch of stooges inner agency process. Okay, you
know there are people in the seas who in the
eight sies. Man, this has been four years now, four
years later, I've written Center grass and I've written multiple
letters to read and the Attorney General. You know who
directed this briefing? We still don't know. I've asked Director
Ate in open hearings who direct that briefing. The most
we gotten is it appears to be somebody in the
Office of the Director of National Intelligence. It wasn't John Radcliffe.
He was the Director of National TALIS at this time.
But somebody in the deep stand underneath there direct this briefing.
But you know, I know who briefed me. You know
they're members of the FBI. We know the names, but
who directed briefing we still don't know. Now these are
this is a briefing given unsolicited to US senders. At
the time. SENA. Grassley was chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
I was Chairman of Homes Security Governmental Affairs, So two
sitting US centers, chairman of committees, and they won't tell
us who directed an unsolicited briefing. There was total bs
which by the way, I knew was a sent up.
And later I think May of twenty twenty one, they
leaked the fact that I've been ordered I've been briefed
about being a Russian Russian target. So I mean, it's
just the most absurd thing and.
Speaker 1: To the fifty two deep state experts, the intelligence officials
right telling the world that not to believe this Hunter
Biden laptop story that was just coming out from the
New York Post weeks before the elections, Russian disinformation.
Speaker 2: That was, by the way, that was the final sabotage.
So they started to pre sabotage that when they left
mckayaac's repair shop there and the FBI agent says, you know,
it's this a paraphrase, it's our experiences. People don't talk
about these things, don't get in trouble, but don't get hurt.
So that began it. So twenty twenty, they're warning us,
trying to you know, really impede our investigation. By the way,
it worked to a certain extent because the day after
we issued our report at the end of September of
twenty twenty, before the election, the next day mckaisac contacted
our office. He finally felt safe enough to offer that
laptop somebody else. So again, you know, the FBI is
warned to him. Worked until we saw two US senators
write a report on the Biden family corruption, so he
felt safe enough so he contacted us. Now again, pretty
suspicious story, right, I mean, it certainly could have been
rushing disinformation. So we didn't just take possession of the laptop.
We do our due diligence. So who do we contact.
We contented the FBI, and they gave us to run
around for about two or three weeks. Literally is all
the guy in trial, Oh he's on vacation or whatever,
lame excuse to the point rooms Isaac got impatient and
then turned it over to Rugi Giuliani's attorney, who then
made a public through washing or through the New York Post.
So that's now you know the rest of the story
about that. But again the pre sabotaged by the FBI,
anticipating that that computer just might surface. It worked. We
didn't take possession of it, we didn't revealed as a
US Senate product that got leaked, which then, of course,
when the New York Post wrote about it, the intelli
He's kicked into overdrive, directed by the Hillary Clinton campaign,
Anthony Blinkeln talking to Mike Morrell and others and the
Deep sixth about that they engineered that letter, which was
I think, to this day in US history, is the
greatest piece of election interference in US history. I don't
think anything could even come close to an act in
the election to the great greater extent in.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, mind blowing what occurred. But let me ask
you this. Of course, we're talking with US Senator Ron Johnson,
senior Senator the state of Wisconsin, and a senator who
has spent a lot of his time in office looking
into allegations and actual, indeed acts of corruption within government.
And that's I guess I'm curious about that election interference
that we just talked about in twenty twenty to what
we're seeing here in twenty twenty four. Do you believe
that that is why the Democrats, the DNC, the Marxist
leftists in this country are doing everything they can to
control power, not simply because they want to keep to
set the leftist agenda in this country. They indeed want
to do that, but they have a hell of a
lot to lose if the Republicans retake the Senate, still
control the House and have Donald Trump in the executive mansion.
Speaker 2: That's probably part of their equation, But the main driving
force of Democrats, of leftists, of radical leftists is the
acquisition of power, and lord acting had it right. Power
corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely, So I know we should
be surprised at the grotesque level of corruption that we
start to uncover. And Matt, we are just scratching the
surface on this. I mean, I mean, we're just scratching
the surface. I mean when you don't know the federal
government involvement in the jfk assassination, when you really don't
know what happened with Nixon, I mean, the more you
read about that, I mean, that might have been, that
might have been the second coup. You know, the first
cup is you take out Kennedy, the second coup you
take out Nixon, then you take out Trump. To what
extent is the federal government has been involved in these things,
We'll probably never know because there's a reason you called
the deep state. It's very deep, it's very pervasive. But no,
I mean Democrats, they just want to acquire power. Net
That's what people have to have their eyes open to is,
first of all, how grossly ineffective and inefficient and really
destructive the federal government is. Quit looking at the federal
government to solve your problems, Quit outsourcing problems, solving the
federal governments completely incapable solving problems. It makes or exacerbates
more problems than ever solved. The vision of our founding
Fithers was sovereign states, where most of the authority resided
in the state, most of the power resided the people,
but the federal government was going to do just very few,
very limited things. You know, national defense obviously is curing
our board. You're saying that the rules of the world
rode for interstate commerce or commerce those types of things. Okay,
the founders had to be spinning in their graves based
on how this value evolved and how grotesquely large and
powerful and controlling the federal government has become. And as
a result, the politicians who control those levers of power
within the federal government, these are the power brokers.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing remains absolutely true on that front is
that elections have consequences. We've seen those consequences across this
country over the last three and a half plus years.
We have seen them on so many different fronts. Negative consequences,
the negative impacts that every American consumer, every middle income
earner in this country, the suffering from higher prices from
what you buy at the grocery store to what you
put in your car at the gas pumps. We have
seen a border that isn't a border anymore. We have
seen national security risks at our front door and around
the world, within our strongest and dearest allies, trying to
fight off terrorists that will eventually may indeed probably already
here because of the open border policies of Joe Biden,
and the borders are You wrote an interesting piece for
the Federalists. It appears you can find it at the
Federalist dot com. The headline is Democrat controlled states refuse
to clean voter rolls and fix election problems. And you
note why that is. You note what's at stake because
of that coming up as we begin very shortly, the
push of absentee ballots out there. You know, we talk
about election day being, you know, a couple of months away,
election season is already here.
Speaker 2: Well, it is so galling to listen to the legacy
corporate media. I refuse call it the mainstream media unless
I slip up, because there's nothing mainstreaming bout of there.
The radical leftists, right, but they have so poisoned the
well by carrying Democrats water. In terms of there's no
election fraud, there were no irregularities, there were you know,
there were all kinds of irregularities in the twenty twenty
election in Wisconsin. I tick them off, you know, the
balloting in the park, the carrying of APPSTE ballots, what
happened to nursing homes. I mean the fact that Zuckerbucks
took over the green Bay system. The electionn clerks just
resigned out out of frustration or fear, fear whatever. And
so you have you know, Zuckerbuck Crony's hacks pretty well
run the green Bay election. Gee, what could go wrong there? Right?
All right? So then fast forward, you have the Biden
administration executive order asking all the agencies to register voters. Gee,
that will happen on a non partisan basis. Right, Eventually
they're just flooding into Washington, in Waukeshaw County to sign
up more Republicans. Right. And then then you the kude
gra here is you open up the border, you allow
millions of people to flood in. Very grateful for the
to the individual who opened up the floodgate. Right. Uh.
And then you do everything possible to relax any control
over the voting process, mail in balloting as APSTE ballots,
don't don't worry about dating them, don't don't worry about
providing proof of citizenship that you actually are a US
centsen give them driver's licenses. But this is what Tim
Walls in Minnesota did allow. We're going to get a
driver's license and then to register voting. All you need
is to driver's license and a utility bill. They've now
you can register for vote now, and you know they
whether they even ask them whether they're US citizens. Okay.
So one of the things I wrote about is states
that have been trying to keep on top of this.
For example, Virginia I think has purged three hundred and
three individuals off their registration goals roles that were illegal immigrants.
I think they caught them through the Department of Motor
Vehicle Division. Right, So when you're signing for a driver's license,
I guess you have to clear the citizenship and there's
a state on the ball checking those things, and they
Ohio bounced I can't remember the exact number. Four hundred
some even Boston, Massachusetts, seventy people requested to get taken
off the registration voter registration role. There were illegal immigrants,
and you kind of why would they do that? Well,
if they illegally sign up to vote that could impact
their immigration benefits apparently, So again, how do these people
even get on the voter registration role? And then you
go to Wisconsin. We've got seven a half million people
on our voter registration role. Our population what five million people?
Six you know, we're approaching six million people, three and
a half million elgible voters. Yeah, but we've got seventy
and a half million people on our voter registers and
they refuse to clean it up.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a lawsuit in your state as well,
the Federalists reported on and it notes it's real concern
is I think a concern that we see in other
swing states as well, that the Wisconsin's Election Commission and
the Department of Transportation are being accused of failing to
verify the citizenship of registered voters, leading to potentially thousands
of registrants unlawfully included on the Badger State's voter roles.
That's one of myriad election integrity concerns weaknesses, to put
it delicately, in the Badger State, which will play a
pivotal role in the two thousand twenty four presidential election.
But there's a Supreme Court led by a bought and
paid for liberal majority that has instituted or reinstituted absentee
ballot drop boxes. How concerned are you that we are
going to see whether the accomplice media wants to recognize
it or not a repeat of Wisconsin and all of
the voter integrity irregularities and problems we saw there in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Well, again, my main concern is registering people illegally and
people that are voting that shouldn't be voting. Because it's
really once that bounce in the box, it's pretty hard
to control that. So you've got to control it upfront.
That's my primary concern.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: We did get more than five thousand poll workers. These
people are training paid. We also have probably most shifts
of pole observers filled to a service worked in twenty
twenty two. I had a close election. Milwaukee had all
their votes in encountered by eleven o'clock at night. I
mean that's because we had eyes in the process. They
didn't leave it open till four o'clock in the morning,
just looking for twenty six thousand votes. So that helps
to a certain extent, But you have to get control
over the registation process, which is why the left is
so resistant to cleaning up voter registration and having controls
over the process. You know, I have to see bows.
I mean, you have to do you have to compare signatures.
It's really important to have poll workers both sides agreeing that, yeah,
that's the Vale signature. If you're not doing that, that
represents a real vulnerability in terms of electric integrity. So
there are so many different ways you can gain the system.
I'm not saying it's all that easy to do in
a massive scale, but what I can say is I
think the Democrats are absolutely dedicated to utilizing any technique
they can possibly think of to cheat. I mean, isn't
it obviously mean they oppose the Save Act, which again
is are illegal to vote as an illegal immigrant. Well,
let's just make sure new registrations people have proved that
their citizenship, and the Democrats are absolutely opposed to that.
I think they'd be willing to shut down the government
if the House attached to the Save Act to the cr.
Speaker 1: Well you note that in your column and the Federalist
and I think it's an interesting point that Joe Biden,
the President of the United States, who now is getting
tough on the border. Right has said repeatedly that he
would veto the Save Act. He would veto a measure
passed by the House of Representatives. It's obviously going nowhere
in the Democrat controlled Senate, but he would veto a
measure that requires proof of citizenship to vote. You know,
the vast majority of Americans want that in election integrity.
The polls reflect that, But he's willing to do that.
Why do you think they are so hell bent on
stopping illegal immigrants and foreign nationals from voting in the
US elections, Because.
Speaker 2: That's why they open up the border, kind of defeat
the risk they took in terms of terrorism and crime
and all that kind of stuff. And their goal was
this get these people in here, very appreciative of Democrats
for letting in this country, and then vote for them
long term, solidify their power, turn America into a one
party nation. That's the goal.
Speaker 1: Final question for you have been very generous at the time.
I certainly appreciate it. That's not like there is ever
a dull day in the swamp and the fight against
the swamp. But you have long ever since I've known you,
and I've known you for a long time. You have
been a guy that says, show me the evidence, show
me the documents. I want to see it. You're an
information guy. You are a charts and grafts guy. We
know that about you. You like looking. You love looking
at the numbers and seeing where the trend lines are.
Did you ever think in your wildest imagination that your
fascination with numbers, the importance that you place on data,
would potentially save a president's life. I bring all of
this up in context for our listeners who do not
know the day July thirteenth in Butler, Pennsylvania, when former
President Donald Trump turned his head a bit to look
at some information about Biden's border mess. That information was
supplied by you, Senator Johnson and your office.
Speaker 2: Yeah. God works some mysterious ways. I remember moments have
to the assassination attempt. We saw some photos. I think
my comms director said, your chart's up there on the screen.
You know, at the moment of this was before Prompt
credited the chart with literally saving his life because he
looked at it again turned just had they've done you
know the analysis of that, and that's what saved his life.
But the backstory on that is that that's the chart
I've been developing as Chairman Homland Security dates back to
probably twenty twelve twenty thirteen with the doc of memorandum
and explosion of uncompanied children. Yeah, that really was the
thing that sparked all of this illegal flow as President
Obama's unlawful Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals memorandum. But you know,
so I've been it's been varied, but I've been basically
updating that chart. Used it. You know, different different committees
have used my chart. Okay, so just share serendipity. I
flew up to the Green Bay rally right after Easter
in the spring of twenty twenty three. I know it's
spring twenty twenty four this year with President Trump, I
had a bunch of things I wanted to show him.
That was one of them. He liked the chart, had
me email it on the plane to his comms people.
They took it, took off my logo, put a couple
of red arrows, and they're kind of reading some titles.
But you know, it's basically the same chart he used
that day, and he's been using it ever since. So
that's kind of the backstory there. But again, it's it is.
I mean, yeah, that's pretty weird to so you know, internally,
I say, not only my charts of informative, but they're
life saving.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they are never mock. Never mock a politician
with charts, never mock data wonk again because they can
definitely save a life.
Speaker 2: We've seen it.
Speaker 1: And you know, in all seriousness, you said that the
Lord works in mysterious ways. Indeed, we all know that
in our lives. But you know, just to think about
how those events came to pass, and I could feel
that as part of this just glowing sense of that idea,
the idea of providence. At the Republican National Committee in
Milwaukee in July, you felt it. I know everybody I
talked to felt it. There was a sense of providence
guiding this thing. So ultimately, do you feel like that
is in work in this election?
Speaker 2: Well, our nation has been so blessed. I mean there
is I mean in the span of human history, I
mean brutality, the lack of freedom to have for a
few hundred years, the shining city on a hill, the
what America represents, it's rare, it's precious. You know. Unfortunately,
we don't teach history. So I don't think enough Americans
truly appreciate how unbelievably lucky we are in the Spanish
human history to have what we have. But again, we're
all beings. You see affluence, so you just always want more.
You take things for granted. But we can't take this
for granted. I mean, Venezuelan's voted themselves into poverty only
to a couple of decades, we're right now going down
a very dangerous path. So again, you know, this nation
has been immeasurably blessed by God, by our creator. I
hope he's looking down and I hope he. I hope
he blesses us again. We simply can't continue down this
road to destruction that the radical left has put us on.
So that's all of the reasons, Matt I've proposed for
the Republican Conference in the Senate. We need a mission statement.
What are we for? What are we willing to fight for?
So I post relatively simple one to fight and defeat
the ideology and policies of the radical left are destroying
this country. Quite honestly, I'd like to have something a
little more uplifting, but at this point in time, that's
got to be our mission. The radical left is destroying
this country. They have gained control overall institutions. They need
to be fought and defeated, and then we can look
forward to again rebuilding this country, really, really in the
image of our finding fathers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, and I hope fought, defeated and repudiated at
the polls this November time will tell. Thanks to my
guest today, US Senator Ron Johnson, Wisconsin's Senior Center. You've been,
Senior Senator, excuse me, you've been listening to another edition
of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittles, senior correspondent
at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then,
stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the friend
Speaker 2: Earn the face the reason