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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Robert Falco. After completing advanced studies
Speaker 1: in psychology, he worked in the field of mental health
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty six, most recently in private practice. He
Speaker 1: has served as an adjunct professor of psychology at a
Speaker 1: number of universities in college colleges. Since his youth, he
Speaker 1: has pursued interest in the prayer normal, especially at UFOs,
Speaker 1: publishing in the Bulletin of Anomalist Experience, Outer Limits magazine,
Speaker 1: and related journals. He is also a children's book author. Robert, Welcome,
Speaker 1: How are you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Okay, how are you, Chris.
Speaker 1: I'm very good. Thanks for joining us. I've been looking
Speaker 1: forward to having you on. I've read the papers that
Speaker 1: you sent me and very fascinating. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about those. You basically created an outline for an integration
Speaker 1: of quantum physics, karmac theory, scheme of theory and therapy,
Speaker 1: shamanic or etheric realities and the nature of coincidence, and
Speaker 1: another paper about the parallels between recent UFO phenomenon and
Speaker 1: Rudolph Steiner's cosmology. And we're going to talk about those.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be fascinating, But first, this is your
Speaker 1: first time on the show. I'd love to hear more
Speaker 1: about just your background in general and what brought you
Speaker 1: to delve into these topics.
Speaker 2: Well, the UFO phenomena I have been interested in since
Speaker 2: I was quite young. I had an experience of being
Speaker 2: visited by what were later termented beings when I was
Speaker 2: about eight or eight years old, and we can get
Speaker 2: into that perhaps, but it was pretty classic experience of
Speaker 2: apocalyptic visions, ecological disasters, that kind of thing, which I
Speaker 2: had no frame of reference at that point for it.
Speaker 2: That was back in the sixties, so I'm kind of
Speaker 2: dating myself here. But you know, later in reading the
Speaker 2: abduction literature, which fascinated me, I made a clear link.
Speaker 2: It was sort of a classic experience, a manted experience.
Speaker 2: After that, perhaps because of that, I'm not quite sure,
Speaker 2: I became very interested in the paranormal from a young age.
Speaker 2: In terms of UFOs. I actually did an independent study
Speaker 2: in college on that. I had an anthropology professor who
Speaker 2: was willing to sponsor that. That turned into a couple
Speaker 2: of small articles, and I eventually took that work and
Speaker 2: put into an article on the Bulletin of anomaloust Experience
Speaker 2: back in nineteen ninety four. Since then, you know, I've
Speaker 2: been kind of in and out of studying the phenomena.
Speaker 2: Most recently the last ten years or so, I've become
Speaker 2: pretty avid reader of Rudolf Steiner. I had previously studied
Speaker 2: Gurjeff and some other occult traditions, but Steiner was was
Speaker 2: a revelation to me. I really have gotten a lot
Speaker 2: out of reading him, and in the article at a
Speaker 2: Limits magazine, which is August of twenty twenty, it's a
Speaker 2: UK publication, I put together some thoughts and some research
Speaker 2: I had done linking as you mentioned, Steiner's cosmology in UFOs.
Speaker 2: So to some degree, I come from the advantage point
Speaker 2: of an experiencer. I'm most interested in the abduction phenomena.
Speaker 2: I'm not so much interested in nuts and bolts and
Speaker 2: lights in the sky type aspect of UFOs, although I
Speaker 2: think that has its place. So that's that's something I've
Speaker 2: been studying. Reading Hopkins Jacob's Yvonne Smith recently very interested
Speaker 2: in tying it into the star speculations about star children,
Speaker 2: about the evolution of man. I see the UFO phenomena
Speaker 2: as a spiritual phenomena, not so much a technological phenomena
Speaker 2: you know about for souls, almost in a token kind
Speaker 2: of fashion. So that's I tie in Tolkien a little
Speaker 2: bit in the paper as well, so maybe it gives
Speaker 2: you an overview. Yeah, in my practice, I've come across
Speaker 2: a couple of people who have had a number of
Speaker 2: people have had unusual experiences, including some couple of people
Speaker 2: have had UFO abductions, so I have some familiarity with that.
Speaker 2: I've also run into some people who were connected to
Speaker 2: MK Ultra, the CIA mind control studies experiments, so that
Speaker 2: opened up a whole other window into kind of what's
Speaker 2: going on in the world right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And you know, we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: Steiner's work and the connections to ufology today. The more
Speaker 1: I learn and look into it, the more these spiritual
Speaker 1: connections that you mentioned become very apparent. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that you would be able to separate rate the
Speaker 1: two once you, you know, learn and gets to a certain
Speaker 1: level of understanding with this, and even with a paranormal
Speaker 1: phenomenon and the link to consciousness, it's all you know connected,
Speaker 1: and the more I study it and look into it.
Speaker 1: The more parent that is. And you can't once you
Speaker 1: go down there, you can't get out of it, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to keep going down that road.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, I think this is again a lot of
Speaker 2: people have already connected to the UFO phenomena, the abduction phenomena,
Speaker 2: particular with your death experiences out of body experiences. The
Speaker 2: Free Research Institute has done some great studies on that,
Speaker 2: the out of your intull sponsored studies, which they emphasize
Speaker 2: more the positive aspect of the phenomena, which I think
Speaker 2: is every bit is real as the traumatic aspect. But
Speaker 2: Italian with the paranormal and the spiritual is that's the
Speaker 2: root of it. This is a battle I think between
Speaker 2: fundamentally between good and evil, and you know that's that's
Speaker 2: a more complicated question maybe than traditional metaphysics, but I
Speaker 2: think that's kind of where we're at here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's very similar to the conversation I was
Speaker 1: having with my guests last night. When it comes to
Speaker 1: your personal experience with this mantis being. Was this more
Speaker 1: of a I guess a non physical experience. Were you
Speaker 1: taken like during the night in your sleep or how
Speaker 1: did this occur?
Speaker 2: It was both physical and mental. They were beings who
Speaker 2: who were coming into my room, much like in the
Speaker 2: abduction phenomena. I don't recall being abducted per se and
Speaker 2: being taken board a ship or anything like that. Perhaps
Speaker 2: those memories are there. I'm not a fan of hypnosis
Speaker 2: unless you're a really trained hypnotherapist, so I haven't gone
Speaker 2: that route. I did try to explore it with the MDR,
Speaker 2: which is a technique for exploring TRUMP, and came up
Speaker 2: against a bit of a brick wall with a colleague
Speaker 2: of mine and wasn't really able to go any further.
Speaker 2: So there may be elements I don't remember a lot
Speaker 2: of What I do remember consciously are beings coming into
Speaker 2: my room over a period of a number of weeks.
Speaker 2: It wasn't one episode and a download. It's almost it
Speaker 2: was kind of like microfiche, if you're familiar with that.
Speaker 2: I had a vision of this information being inputed very quickly,
Speaker 2: and I remember telling them to slow down. It was
Speaker 2: going too fast, which is something that other abductees or
Speaker 2: experiencers have mentioned. So there was some sort of information
Speaker 2: that was being downloaded. I don't know what that is,
Speaker 2: but I definitely had visions very typical of the manted
Speaker 2: experiences of nuclear war, ecological disaster, things of that nature.
Speaker 2: It was very terrifying. I was very young at that
Speaker 2: age and had really no idea what was going on.
Speaker 2: I had never been someone who was a child who's
Speaker 2: afraid of the dark or anything like that or And
Speaker 2: the interesting thing for me, one of the interesting things
Speaker 2: is I've never really had any further experiences. Other adductees
Speaker 2: and experiencers, as you know, have repeated episodes. That hasn't happened,
Speaker 2: so I'm not I'm not sure why, but that was
Speaker 2: an isolated period of time, but it was more than
Speaker 2: one incident.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. Now, since we started talking about the
Speaker 1: spiritual aspect of this, let's start with your paper about
Speaker 1: Rudolph Steiner and his cosmology. For the audience that may
Speaker 1: not be familiar with his work or who he is,
Speaker 1: could you give just a brief overview of who he
Speaker 1: was and what is the basis of his work and theories.
Speaker 2: Well, he's a pretty complicated character, but to give a
Speaker 2: quick synopsis, he was was born in late nineteenth century
Speaker 2: died in nineteen twenty four. He was the founder of
Speaker 2: the anthro pasophical movement, which grew out of the theosophical movement.
Speaker 2: So he had been a follower of sorts of Leavatski
Speaker 2: and that crew before he split off on his own.
Speaker 2: He was a clairvoyant from a young age. He also
Speaker 2: studied science. He claims to have been in touch with
Speaker 2: Rosa Cruci and a free Masonic masters who guided him
Speaker 2: into developing a scientific approach towards a super sensible So
Speaker 2: he developed his own Anthi pasophical movement, which is connected
Speaker 2: now to the Waldorf Schools, the camp Hill Schools of
Speaker 2: biodynamic gardening, and some other pursuits. Projective geometry is another pursuit,
Speaker 2: some of a different form of physics and geometry. He's
Speaker 2: a polymath. I think he was phenomenally intelligent, but he
Speaker 2: saw his role, his spiritual mission, as primarily trying to
Speaker 2: help mankind see what was going on in the world
Speaker 2: in terms of the move towards materialism technology. He warned
Speaker 2: against that to a great degree. You know, he wasn't
Speaker 2: a lout eyed who wanted to destroy the machines. He
Speaker 2: knew the technological development was inevitable, but he wanted to
Speaker 2: put it in line with human evolution, something that could
Speaker 2: serve man versus taking over. In his cosmology, he talks
Speaker 2: about a number of different beings who he describes as
Speaker 2: beings of hindrance, beings who were assigned a role in
Speaker 2: human evolution, but who decided to overstep their bounds, and
Speaker 2: thus they became the fallen angels of traditional metaphysics. Araman
Speaker 2: a Lucifer are the two primary ones that have influenced
Speaker 2: human history thus far, and arimon is He took the
Speaker 2: term from a Zoastrianism horamasda is it's the good god.
Speaker 2: Araman is the evil god. But he describes him as
Speaker 2: coming from sub nature, as being a ruler of sorts
Speaker 2: in the subatomic realm, and the bringer of technology, artificial intelligence,
Speaker 2: computer intelligence into humanity. Also, he's involved with electlectricity, electronics.
Speaker 2: That's kind of interesting if you see what's going on
Speaker 2: in the world now.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, that's what I was gonna say, if you
Speaker 1: could give us like a synopsis on your paper, because
Speaker 1: it links what's happening now with Steiner's cosmology and these
Speaker 1: aromanic entities.
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, he describes eremon as having followers, so he
Speaker 2: describes them broadly as aramonic beings. Again, he died in
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty four, long before the UFO phenomena became really
Speaker 2: well known, so he didn't break it down into types
Speaker 2: of beings the way you know uphologists try now. But
Speaker 2: Araman was is it basically attempting to create a split
Speaker 2: off eighth sphere, which is in a cult concept, by
Speaker 2: blinding man to his spiritual destiny and his spiritual nature,
Speaker 2: reducing all our thought to materialistic scientific thought of what
Speaker 2: we might call scientism now, and at the same time
Speaker 2: creating a society controlled by technology. Keep in mind Steinder
Speaker 2: died in nineteen twenty four. He was talking about machine
Speaker 2: and human interfaces, you know, back over one hundred years ago.
Speaker 2: He spoke about how if we use technology the right way,
Speaker 2: we can develop machines that are controlled by human consciousness,
Speaker 2: and each of us has our own separate vibration, and
Speaker 2: we can then control them, the machines, and have them
Speaker 2: work for us. He talked about a whole different form
Speaker 2: of science that could develop from that. His fear was that,
Speaker 2: you know, machines would, under his aramonic influence, become the
Speaker 2: controllers of humanity. And he was an early person who
Speaker 2: pointed out the the negative effects of electricity and electronics
Speaker 2: on human health. He considered it to be basically anti life,
Speaker 2: and that's simplifying things to some degree, but that's that's
Speaker 2: sort of the nature of his of his take on Aramon.
Speaker 2: The other aspect of Eremon is that he tries to
Speaker 2: control the political economic spheres. There's a quote in my
Speaker 2: paper of about how Steinder mentioned, if aramonic forces to
Speaker 2: take over, you know, the stock market, financial transactions would
Speaker 2: become very very fast and very done with a lot
Speaker 2: of acumen. And he kind of made fun of the
Speaker 2: stock market back then as being, you know, very very
Speaker 2: slow and very inefficient. He's just a very interesting quote
Speaker 2: coming from the early twentieth century. And now we have
Speaker 2: supercomputers trading trillions of dollars on the stock market. So
Speaker 2: there's the component of electricity, electronics, and the sub atomic
Speaker 2: world which links Tocern, which maybe we can get into,
Speaker 2: but also the control of politics and economics. Ariman is
Speaker 2: interested in control and power. He's interested in controlling human
Speaker 2: beings and again blinding us to our spiritual nature, blocking
Speaker 2: us from the influences of what Steinder called the good
Speaker 2: gods and archangel Michael Christ. In some ways, Steiner has
Speaker 2: a very traditional metaphysics in some ways, he has his
Speaker 2: own take on that and he develops his own metaphysics
Speaker 2: or cosmology, which is part traditional and part occult. So
Speaker 2: I don't know that answers all your question.
Speaker 1: That does, And I want to break down a couple
Speaker 1: of things. The eighth sphere kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: this matrix or simulation theory that you know, we're kind
Speaker 1: of trapped in this prison type planet situation. And then, uh,
Speaker 1: the other part of the paper, it's it's very prophetic
Speaker 1: about what's happening now, especially with the transhumanism movement and
Speaker 1: everything moving towards this kind of like singularity that Curswell
Speaker 1: writes about. And if you combine that with you know,
Speaker 1: the AI and and everyone that wants to move towards
Speaker 1: this transhuman era, you know, wanted to be able to
Speaker 1: open their garage with a button in their hand or
Speaker 1: whatever they think it's gonna be about. Uh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: go a lot further and a lot deeper than that,
Speaker 1: and could go pretty dark pretty quick. Uh, if it
Speaker 1: turns out the way it seems like it's going to
Speaker 1: turn out right now. I mean, so many things that
Speaker 1: have been warned about from gentlemen like these in the
Speaker 1: past are occurring right now, so it's something we definitely
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to.
Speaker 2: I would think, yeah, absolutely. The the transhumanism is is
Speaker 2: obviously an aspect of the the technology run a buck
Speaker 2: that Steiner was concerned about. He was concerned about machine
Speaker 2: human uh hybrids or what we call cyborgs now that
Speaker 2: would be controlled by by Araman aramonic beings. The the
Speaker 2: the Quest for immortality, and the Quest for the Singularity
Speaker 2: fit in very well with you know, Stein's vision of
Speaker 2: what Arma is trying to create. This virtual world or matrix,
Speaker 2: which is you know, the popular term for it because
Speaker 2: of the movies, is exactly what pretty much exactly what
Speaker 2: Steiner was describing. Aramon wanted to create through technology, and
Speaker 2: now we have you know, we have these surveillance systems,
Speaker 2: we have chemtrails. There's a lot of I think good
Speaker 2: research that's been done linking all of those things together
Speaker 2: into the development of a nanotechnology that creates this you know,
Speaker 2: this spider web of singularity or interconnection that's for control,
Speaker 2: is for surveillance as well as there's the genetic hybrid
Speaker 2: element to this, where artificial human beings are created for
Speaker 2: specific purposes, which is, you know, one of the nightmares
Speaker 2: if that technology runs amuck. You know. I connect Steiner
Speaker 2: in that paper also to Laura Burne, who's a contemporary
Speaker 2: Irish mystic and a lot of her if you claims
Speaker 2: to be in touch with archangel Michael and other gods,
Speaker 2: other angels and being given insight into what's going on
Speaker 2: in the world, and her modern writings aligned very much
Speaker 2: with Steiner in terms of her fear of transhumanism, her
Speaker 2: description of beings in the future that are soulless who
Speaker 2: have been created for specific purposes to be soldiers or
Speaker 2: to be workers. That kind of thing, this kind of
Speaker 2: hive mind, this kind of spider like society that Stunder
Speaker 2: described was what he was fearing human evolution could head
Speaker 2: towards if we weren't aware of the aramonic influences and
Speaker 2: trying to stop them. At the same time, I mean,
Speaker 2: he also made it clear that this is a time
Speaker 2: when positive spiritual forces are available to us if we
Speaker 2: seek them, and they will also be trying to reach
Speaker 2: out to us and trans form more consciousness in more
Speaker 2: of an organic way. So I see the positive in
Speaker 2: the negative aspects of the UFO experiencers and the abduction
Speaker 2: phenomena in that light at least, it's one way to
Speaker 2: look at it that you have these beings who steam benign,
Speaker 2: you know, who heal, you know, who develop help experiencers
Speaker 2: develop special abilities, and then you have you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of the trauma that's connected to it, the medical experimentation,
Speaker 2: the you know, the sexual activity in the creation of hybrids.
Speaker 2: So that and it's it's very fascinating because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of ambiguity there in my mind and I think
Speaker 2: other people's minds about you know, what is really going
Speaker 2: on here. Is this to serve mankind to help us
Speaker 2: develop a higher consciousness? Or is this more in line
Speaker 2: with what what Steiner feared would be created through our
Speaker 2: amand and I think both are going on. I do
Speaker 2: think this is kind of a battle between good and evil.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you. I think both is going on.
Speaker 1: And I think that people researchers like yourself and researchers
Speaker 1: that are into nuts and bolts side you know, strictly
Speaker 1: nuts and bolts, uh, And and also researchers who were
Speaker 1: you know, strictly spiritual, are strictly paranormal. Need to compare
Speaker 1: notes and come together more. And I think that we
Speaker 1: could get a lot further, maybe understand it a little
Speaker 1: bit more. But you know, they had those those nuts
Speaker 1: and bolts. Guys. A lot of them are are you know,
Speaker 1: so hardcore with their theories that they just won't even
Speaker 1: touch some of this stuff. And it's, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of disappointing. But I think that we're getting
Speaker 1: there to maybe some of them are taking a little
Speaker 1: bit closer look. I've been encouraged by some researchers lately
Speaker 1: who have actually kind of flipped flipped their mind over
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know. I think that's becoming increasingly clear that there's
Speaker 2: a paranormal aspect of this, both from people who see
Speaker 2: it as a as a positive phenomenon those who see
Speaker 2: it more of an evil phenomena. It's interesting that j.
Speaker 2: Allen Heineck was a reader of Steiner. Jacques Vallet in
Speaker 2: his journals, mentions that he extensively read Steiner, He read
Speaker 2: Seiner's books, annotated them extensively, talked about Steiner quite a bit.
Speaker 2: So Heineck was was very interested in that angle from
Speaker 2: from an early from an early age, he was interested
Speaker 2: in Rosicrucian studies, and so is Jaques Ballet, by the way,
Speaker 2: who did us a favor by writing Passport to Magonia,
Speaker 2: and he was one of the first to really do
Speaker 2: good research on the connection between the paranormal, fairy and
Speaker 2: fairy faith, other dimensions, and UFO phenomena. So I think
Speaker 2: we are we are definitely moving in that direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very encouraging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's room for there's definitely some technology
Speaker 2: going on. Trevor Constable, who's probably the only euphologist who
Speaker 2: really directly linked to Steiner, and also Wilhelm Reich who
Speaker 2: he was a Reichean to the UFO phenomena. It talks
Speaker 2: about how etheric technologies Etheric physics explains some of the
Speaker 2: that's in both aspects of UFOs. The fact that they
Speaker 2: can shut cars down and apparently perhaps cause blackouts doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense in terms of modern contemporary physics because it
Speaker 2: would require such a tremendous energy source that it just
Speaker 2: seems impossible. But if you look at ethere in physics,
Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense. And we're not gonna have time
Speaker 2: to go into detail on that, but you know, I
Speaker 2: recommend reading Trevor constable. He was I think one of
Speaker 2: the first to really link the occult literature to the
Speaker 2: UFO phenomena, particularly Steiner and Wilhelm write.
Speaker 1: Now, before we get too far away from it, you
Speaker 1: mentioned CERN earlier, I want to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the connections that could possibly be going on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's spooky stuff that I've heard about CERN. A lot
Speaker 1: of people have some interesting theories about what could possibly
Speaker 1: be going on whenever Geordy Rose was involved with some
Speaker 1: of the technology there that was interesting, some of the
Speaker 1: ted talks he gave and and things like that. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think is the connection there?
Speaker 2: Well, if we're opening up other dimensions, you know, where
Speaker 2: we're really I think there's possibly two things going on
Speaker 2: that these scientists are very naive to what they're opening
Speaker 2: up the world to, similar to some of the scientists
Speaker 2: who are involved in the atomic atomic bomb. So that's
Speaker 2: a possibility. Or there may be you know, occult elements
Speaker 2: amongst physicists who are involved in this, And there's there's
Speaker 2: been some speculation of occult rituals going on at certain
Speaker 2: other places that are kind of black magic and are
Speaker 2: kind of welcoming in entities from other dimensions, much like
Speaker 2: Crowley and some of the more the left hand o couldness.
Speaker 2: If you look at Jack Parsons, he was Crowleyite and
Speaker 2: he clearly was into black magic. So there's a tradition
Speaker 2: there of some of these scientists being involved with black magic.
Speaker 2: So some of that certainly may be going on. I
Speaker 2: think the danger is what Seinner talked about, is we
Speaker 2: really don't understand electricity, magnetism, quantum world. We think we do,
Speaker 2: but we really don't know what we're playing with. And
Speaker 2: we're not just playing with quantitative figures and mechanistic theories.
Speaker 2: You know, We're allowing spiritual entities, other beings into our
Speaker 2: dimension who may not be benign. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: a Stranger Things kind of thing. I mean, the Stranger
Speaker 2: Things is if you believe in the revelation of the method,
Speaker 2: that there's stuff out there in movies and media that
Speaker 2: are kind of cluing us into what's really going on,
Speaker 2: that that's part of the whole process. Certainly, West World
Speaker 2: Stranger Things are too contemporary sci fi series that really
Speaker 2: clue us into what is happening and what's being planned.
Speaker 2: I think I.
Speaker 1: Agree with you. I think there's that level of predictive programming.
Speaker 1: But I think right now there's even a huge aspect
Speaker 1: of like UFO culture creation going on to where we're
Speaker 1: getting accustomed to the idea that these entities exists and
Speaker 1: you know, oh, nuts and Bolt's UFOs. They may be
Speaker 1: a threat from you know, so the government says in
Speaker 1: the mainstream media. So I don't know, it's very interesting
Speaker 1: what's going on right now with being pushed into the
Speaker 1: public consciousness about UFOs from our mainstream media and government.
Speaker 1: And I find it interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's all being crafted by the CIA
Speaker 2: and intelligence agencies pretty clearly. Yes, Bingo, I'm not. I
Speaker 2: think it'd be pretty naive to think that this is
Speaker 2: they're really revealing anything. I mean, they're revealing nothing that
Speaker 2: wasn't revealed in the late nineteen forties. It's the same scenario,
Speaker 2: we don't know what it is, doesn't seem to be
Speaker 2: a threat.
Speaker 1: To It's like a new kind of lame version of
Speaker 1: Blue Book exactly.
Speaker 2: It's it's nothing new, But they're counting on people having
Speaker 2: a short memory. They're counting on the kind of this
Speaker 2: adolescent enthusiasm that people have, Oh there's aliens out there,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's just a way to pass time
Speaker 2: and move on and pretend they've actually addressed the situation.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's obvious there's that's that's nonsense. I mean
Speaker 2: you just been talk about maybe they're trying to create
Speaker 2: an alien invasion, false scenario of false flat kind of
Speaker 2: thing that could be. They probably have a different couple
Speaker 2: of different options that they're writing to play out. The
Speaker 2: question really becomes, you know, why or the intelligence agencies
Speaker 2: withholding this information? Are they really afraid that we're going
Speaker 2: to fall apart if we know that there are other
Speaker 2: beings involved. I actually think if it was just ets,
Speaker 2: just physical ets, that would be pretty easy for people
Speaker 2: to accept. If it's more of a spiritual phenomenon in
Speaker 2: a battle between good and evil, it kind of makes
Speaker 2: sense that they're not disclosing a lot of this, you know,
Speaker 2: particularly if they're sort of on the wrong side of things. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not an Alizondo and Melan. Melan to me, looks
Speaker 2: like he's a hostage. Honestly, he looks like he's you know,
Speaker 2: he's he's afraid something's going to happen to him if
Speaker 2: he doesn't say the wrong the right thing. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: wrong there. I don't know. Alissando is an intelligence agent, yes,
Speaker 2: so can you really trust what he's saying?
Speaker 1: That's all, you know, he's an intelligence agent.
Speaker 2: And the other option is that there, you know, this
Speaker 2: stuff was compartmentalized, and that's possible. I mean, Dolan talks
Speaker 2: about that. Dolan kind of gives Elisondo a pass to
Speaker 2: some degree and space. Well, maybe this guy just knows
Speaker 2: what he knows and is not trying to fool anyone
Speaker 2: and is not trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Frankly,
Speaker 2: I'm skeptical because of his background, but you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know the man, so I'm not, you know, going
Speaker 2: to necessarily conclude, but right generally speaking, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that generic kind of disclosure was you know, it was nothing,
Speaker 2: it was meaningless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It's going to be interesting what
Speaker 1: comes next out of all this. But before we move
Speaker 1: on to your next paper, I want to touch on
Speaker 1: the possibility you mentioned genetic engineered humans and hybrid humans,
Speaker 1: how it's all connected to this phenomenon and it could
Speaker 1: be a malevolent thing that goes along with this new
Speaker 1: transhuman movement. Do you think that there are already possibly
Speaker 1: these hybrid engineered type of humans that are walking amongst us.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, I mean, and there's a lot of literature
Speaker 2: on that. I just mentioned a couple of in that
Speaker 2: small paper that I wrote. I just mentioned Ingo Swan's
Speaker 2: experience being told by CI agent that a couple of
Speaker 2: telepathic beings he ran into, you know, were dangerous, and
Speaker 2: that they were alien. There's plenty of literature in that.
Speaker 2: So there's some sort of hybrid program going on that's connected,
Speaker 2: I think, to MK ultra and other mind control technologies
Speaker 2: that are that have been developed for decades. So I
Speaker 2: definitely think there's a malevolent aspect to that. It's hard
Speaker 2: for me to understand how it couldn't be interpreted as
Speaker 2: anything but malevolent, considering the torture that's involved in MK
Speaker 2: ultra and related mind control technologies. So I definitely think
Speaker 2: it's happening. Steiner, I didn't mention this in the paper
Speaker 2: because I hadn't read this lecture from nineteen seventeen yet,
Speaker 2: but it's becoming it's getting out there more. And he
Speaker 2: mentions that one possible destiny for mankind is that we
Speaker 2: would have to share this planet with what he called
Speaker 2: ant beings, and they would be spider. They would have
Speaker 2: this incredible intelligence and acumen, and they would create this
Speaker 2: kind of spider spider like Uh, they had the spider
Speaker 2: like intelligence. And he seems to be describing something like
Speaker 2: the singularity of the Internet, but he calls them ant beings,
Speaker 2: so he clearly was foreshadowing the potential for some sort
Speaker 2: of hybridization, some combination of man and some sort of
Speaker 2: alien being, which I don't think is ets. I think
Speaker 2: it's more of an elemental being. He described these beings
Speaker 2: as part plant, part mineral, and part human, and humans
Speaker 2: would be forced to share the planet with them. Now,
Speaker 2: that to me is pretty scary if if that is,
Speaker 2: if that comes it comes to being, And that's clearly
Speaker 2: in line with the Hopkins and Jacob's and the more
Speaker 2: alarmist elements of the abduction from the Abduction literature, right,
Speaker 2: so that seems definitely seems to be out there again.
Speaker 2: Lorna Burne writes a lot about her visions of human
Speaker 2: future where transhumanism is taken over and we have these
Speaker 2: designer people that have been created by a ruler class.
Speaker 2: So perhaps it's some sort of combination of that, but
Speaker 2: I think there's definitely something to that. The interesting question
Speaker 2: there is this seems to be going on for thousands
Speaker 2: of years. Again, this is what Valets and other researches
Speaker 2: have pointed out. If you look at the changeling phenomena,
Speaker 2: the fairy faith, stealing babies and that kind of thing,
Speaker 2: the shamanic traditions and implants are part of the shamanic
Speaker 2: tradition that's been around for thousands of years. So perhaps
Speaker 2: this is a phenomena that's not new. This has been
Speaker 2: a plan that's been developed over thousands of years. If
Speaker 2: we're looking at genetic engineering of some kind then and
Speaker 2: also terrorforming the earth in a way that's conducive to
Speaker 2: these beings living here, that kind of makes sense that
Speaker 2: this is a long term plan. Yeah, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: To you, it does. Yeah. I think that this is
Speaker 1: definitely a spiritual situation that we're in, and we need
Speaker 1: to researchers that aren't looking at it this way and
Speaker 1: aren't looking at it even as a metaphysical type thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's mainly because at this point that evidence
Speaker 1: is mounting so much. It's it's a piling over at
Speaker 1: this point. If you're not really looking into that. It's
Speaker 1: because you're probably afraid to. It's because you might have
Speaker 1: some kind of dogma or you know, just this fear
Speaker 1: of the unknown or paranormal, and I get it, you know,
Speaker 1: I used to be there with it. I used to
Speaker 1: be kind of scared of that side of it. But
Speaker 1: we're not going to get anywhere if we don't look
Speaker 1: into that side. So yeah, that's that's really awesome work
Speaker 1: you've done there. And I want to jump into your
Speaker 1: next paper, which is really cool because it delves into
Speaker 1: so many aspects of you know, the links with quantum
Speaker 1: physics and like karmak theory and all these things that
Speaker 1: you wrote about schema theory, which I want to discuss
Speaker 1: because I'm not really familiar with, but and the connection
Speaker 1: with these etheric entities, and you even write about karma
Speaker 1: and the nature of coincidence. So it's really cool. I'd
Speaker 1: like you to give the audience a synopsis so that
Speaker 1: they can better understand from you what this paper is about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that paper's work is more complicated, I mean getting
Speaker 2: into Steiner His cosmology is complicated enough. But I try
Speaker 2: to integrate in that paper, which is something that's still
Speaker 2: in process, work in progress, some means of understanding the
Speaker 2: nature of human destiny and human evolution, and that took
Speaker 2: me down a couple of different into a couple of
Speaker 2: different areas, And one obviously is Karenbac theory, which is
Speaker 2: part of many traditions, particularly Eastern traditions, the idea of reincarnation,
Speaker 2: the idea that we're we have multiple lives, that we're
Speaker 2: here to learn certain lessons, the one dangerous thing and
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, and the whole Promethean idea of becoming immortal
Speaker 2: is that it would stop karma, it would stop the
Speaker 2: process of evolving. If we're the same person for thousands
Speaker 2: of years, are we truly going to learn anything? Can
Speaker 2: we make up? Can we make amends for perhaps past
Speaker 2: mistakes that we've made. Can we really grow as spiritual beings?
Speaker 2: I think the answer is no. So the essence of
Speaker 2: that paper is trying to get at the nature of
Speaker 2: human evolution, and the next step in that writing and
Speaker 2: that research is to great more of the UFO phenomena,
Speaker 2: the Steiner and the idea that our evolution could be
Speaker 2: stopped and rerouted to a whole different destiny, kind of
Speaker 2: along the lines of the singularity, the aid sphere, the
Speaker 2: occult concept of the AID sphere and so forth. A schema,
Speaker 2: schema theory, and therapy, I guess it is a bit
Speaker 2: more prosaic than other things we're talking about. I mean,
Speaker 2: I am a therapist, so that's primarily what I do.
Speaker 2: And schema therapy gets into repetitive patterns in people's lives
Speaker 2: that play out. They were called life traps, they were
Speaker 2: later called schemas. These are repetitive patterns. For instance, someone
Speaker 2: who was heavily criticized as a child often ends up
Speaker 2: with a boss or in a relationship with someone who's
Speaker 2: heavily critical of them, almost as if we're these things
Speaker 2: are set up for us to learn lessons to stand
Speaker 2: up for ourselves perhaps or if on the other side
Speaker 2: of it, to develop to become kinder beings. I don't
Speaker 2: know of anyone who's linked in psychologies links schema therapy
Speaker 2: with karmac theory, but to me, it's an obvious link.
Speaker 2: If you have these patterns that are powerful in people's lives,
Speaker 2: there's no reason to believe that these patterns started just
Speaker 2: in this life. There's plenty of there's and there's so
Speaker 2: many strange coincidences why people run into each other, White
Speaker 2: people connect that there seems to be to me a
Speaker 2: plan here, perhaps a plan that we sign on from
Speaker 2: sign on for from the other side that helps direct
Speaker 2: our lives to some degree. And that's really what karma
Speaker 2: is about. And schema is sort of a Western psychology
Speaker 2: way I think of tapping into that pattern and understanding it,
Speaker 2: breaking it down into different schemas, and helping people understand
Speaker 2: and challenge these patterns. So there's there's a practical application
Speaker 2: of it, but I think it ties into very much
Speaker 2: to individual human evolution.
Speaker 1: I want to kind of delve off into past lives
Speaker 1: for a minute. Do you believe that, as far as
Speaker 1: past lives go, we are reincarnating to learn certain lessons
Speaker 1: and kind of upgrade ourselves spiritually and consciously, or are
Speaker 1: we choosing to come back or both possibly? What do
Speaker 1: you think about that?
Speaker 2: I think those two were interconnected. I think we come
Speaker 2: back to learn specific lessons, to make amends to certain people,
Speaker 2: to meet certain people, to carry on work that we
Speaker 2: started with certain people or relationships. So yeah, I think
Speaker 2: there's plenty of evidence that we that. And this is
Speaker 2: something that you know, near death experiences have tapped into
Speaker 2: and other phenomena where people seem to have awareness of
Speaker 2: the life review and awareness of making a choice to
Speaker 2: come back or not to come back. Now, I mentioned
Speaker 2: Sharon Rolette's wonderful book Instances, which doesn't get into karma
Speaker 2: at all, which is interesting to me. That's probably the
Speaker 2: only thing she doesn't talk about. But she looks at
Speaker 2: synchronicities and coincidences from all sorts of different angles and
Speaker 2: the idea that there are beings directing us. These aren't
Speaker 2: random coincidences. Things are set up in our lives for
Speaker 2: a purpose so that we can meet certain people, learn
Speaker 2: certain things, experience certain things.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. We had some technical difficulties, but we
Speaker 1: are back. Now we're discussing your second paper that you
Speaker 1: had sent me. And in that paper you write about
Speaker 1: physicist Percy Seymour and the plasma theory or quantum karma possibly.
Speaker 1: Now this is very interesting. Could you tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about Percy seymore in the plasma theory and
Speaker 1: then you know your connections with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Percy seemed more interesting. Physicists from speculated about a
Speaker 2: scientific materialistic explanation for telepathy astrology, and he introduced this
Speaker 2: idea of each of us having our own uh kind
Speaker 2: of a plasma towards information. So he explains a variety
Speaker 2: of phenomena, like the speculations about the ACACHEC records as
Speaker 2: being due to the fact that you know, intelligence, intelligent
Speaker 2: beings are plasmic beings. So we have this this original
Speaker 2: plasmic form, which is pretty intriguing because it, you know,
Speaker 2: helps explain a lot of different things. For instance, twin phenomena, uh,
Speaker 2: the fact that twins often are telepathic or they have
Speaker 2: the weird synchronicities and in their in their life uh
Speaker 2: life histories. He explains as the fact that twins are
Speaker 2: connected through similar plasmic lines, and uh that that that
Speaker 2: results in them being able to share information and having
Speaker 2: a special you know, telepathic connection. Uh. The twin phenomena
Speaker 2: is one of a number of different phenomena. I include
Speaker 2: that in the paper because it's kind of interesting. It
Speaker 2: gives a potentially a physical basis for karma. Now, steam
Speaker 2: Moore doesn't mention karma, but he does mention the cash
Speaker 2: records and cash records are basically a storing of all
Speaker 2: human experience, you know, that forms karma. So it's not
Speaker 2: ruber Shell Drake's theories that I get into about morphic
Speaker 2: fields are are uh fit well together in terms of
Speaker 2: developing a scientific model for how some of these things
Speaker 2: may work. To my mind, at least, that's not the
Speaker 2: most important part of the paper, you know, but it
Speaker 2: provides an interesting basis for karma and these connections between beings.
Speaker 2: He speculates that have two different the two beings that
Speaker 2: have connected to each other if two human beings have
Speaker 2: experienced some things together. It's similar to the spooky phenomena
Speaker 2: that curves in quantum theory, where two particles that interact
Speaker 2: have a memory of that interaction and this is stored
Speaker 2: in a plastic form. So it's a theory that backs
Speaker 2: up the idea of or helps explain synchronicity, coincidences, shared experiences, karma,
Speaker 2: Castrick records things of that.
Speaker 1: Nature and what you mentioned, Rupert Shelter and in morphic fields.
Speaker 1: Also for the audience that may not know, could you
Speaker 1: explain what pysically morphic fields or.
Speaker 2: Well, that's they're pretty complicated phenomena to recommend that you
Speaker 2: reach Sheldrake himself, but he challenges a lot of the
Speaker 2: traditional mechanistic theories of reproduction of how information is transmitted,
Speaker 2: and he speculates that there's a field that contains that
Speaker 2: we can tap into that animal group intelligence taps into
Speaker 2: human beings can tap into that goes beyond biochemical or
Speaker 2: bio mechanical explanations. Suddenly learn how to get over an
Speaker 2: electric fence. When one sheep learned it one part of
Speaker 2: the world, it seems like other sheep and other parts
Speaker 2: of the world learned it. That's just one of many
Speaker 2: phenomena that he's collected that seemed to indicate that there's
Speaker 2: a group intelligence or a group mind that's connected by
Speaker 2: what you call a morphic field. The form of the
Speaker 2: human being cannot be explained and reproduction cannot be explained
Speaker 2: completely through biomechanical means. According to Shell Drake, there has
Speaker 2: to be some sort of template for that Meamorphic fields
Speaker 2: for the more cult minded are kind of similar to
Speaker 2: the etheric fields that are speculated about in theosophy, anthroposophy,
Speaker 2: other culture divisions. There's a lot of similarity there. So
Speaker 2: Italian Shelldrake and Seymour again to because it's interesting, you
Speaker 2: have to tie them in, but also because it provides another,
Speaker 2: you know, scientific explanation for a lot of these phenomena.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the more we delve into this
Speaker 1: understanding of quantum physics, the more mainstream science is going
Speaker 1: to come to an understanding about paranormal and consciousness and
Speaker 1: the links of everything in the nature of reality.
Speaker 2: Basically, absolutely yeah. I mean I think there's plenty of
Speaker 2: people who have who are are more articulate on this
Speaker 2: subject than I can be, like Fred Wolfe and Capra
Speaker 2: and you know a number of other physicists who have
Speaker 2: integrated the theories of the paranormal with quantum theory or
Speaker 2: explain paranormal phenomena so called paranormal phenomena through quantum theory.
Speaker 2: So absolutely yeah, And I think that's that's uh where
Speaker 2: consciousness comes from. I mean, consciousness is primary, the material
Speaker 2: world is secondary. And tying it back into Aramon, I
Speaker 2: mean Araman is a it comes from the quantum realm.
Speaker 2: He's he lives in that dimension, and he's trying to
Speaker 2: kind of blind this to our spiritual nature and reduce everything,
Speaker 2: you know, to to material explanation, to as Steiners has
Speaker 2: kind of mineralized everything, reduce everything to to matter versus
Speaker 2: you know, the spirit.
Speaker 1: Now, I find a very interesting part of your papers
Speaker 1: when you write about the nature of coincidences. People just
Speaker 1: think coincidence has happen, and it goes much deeper than that.
Speaker 1: I'd like to se get your theories and thoughts on
Speaker 1: the nature of coincidences.
Speaker 2: Well, again, I think there's some really articulate writers and spokesmen,
Speaker 2: you know who described that phenomena which was first coined
Speaker 2: by Jung. But I think synchronicities are so called synchronicities
Speaker 2: and coincidences, you know, are point two guiding forces in
Speaker 2: human life human destiny. I think we're meant to meet
Speaker 2: certain people, Certain people are put into our world for
Speaker 2: a specific reason. You know, events coalesce in a statistically
Speaker 2: unlikely way so that we can experience certain things. I mean,
Speaker 2: researchers know this. If you get deeply into a topic,
Speaker 2: books start to appear. People know, send you an email
Speaker 2: about something that you were just thinking about or just
Speaker 2: writing about. It's almost as if conscious this begins to
Speaker 2: shape matter versus matter shaping consciousness. And I think that
Speaker 2: there's plenty of evidence and against Sharon Rollette and her
Speaker 2: book Coincidences gets into a lot of speculation about you know,
Speaker 2: the role of ontology of other beings that are involved
Speaker 2: in this that we have you know, guardian angels, we
Speaker 2: have other beings that guide us. So not only do
Speaker 2: we choose karmically to reincarnate a certain place in time
Speaker 2: with certain people, but certain experiences are set up for
Speaker 2: us that seem random, that seemed to come out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: And I mean there's a vast variety of those kinds
Speaker 2: of things, seemingly random meetings, again, random pieces of information
Speaker 2: that we're given, other coincidences that don't seem to be
Speaker 2: explainable through mechanistic means or through any sort of statistical model.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems that whatever this this force is
Speaker 1: reacts to different types of either positive or negative energy,
Speaker 1: or just things that you're doing in your life that
Speaker 1: you might feel good about or gives you a certain feeling.
Speaker 1: In turn, you know, something great will happen in your
Speaker 1: life later on down the road. These things, you know,
Speaker 1: happen all the time. I think they're linked to our
Speaker 1: energy and the energy that we're putting out there. Would
Speaker 1: you say that's pretty accurate?
Speaker 2: I think so. And again that's or who's interested in
Speaker 2: a certain topic starts to draw certain people information to him,
Speaker 2: and right, I think that happens on an energy level.
Speaker 2: If whatever. I think there's a validity to the idea
Speaker 2: that what we put out in universe is what we
Speaker 2: get back. I don't think it's it's as simplistic, certainly
Speaker 2: not as materialistic as the secret and some of the
Speaker 2: sort of the no. I do think that there's there's
Speaker 2: truth in that. So some of this is some so
Speaker 2: we can initiate with our own consciousness. I think some
Speaker 2: of it is created for us. You know. One thing
Speaker 2: that's talked talked about by debunkers is the idea of
Speaker 2: cognitive bias that we, you know, we ignore certain like
Speaker 2: we we think of a friend and they call, but
Speaker 2: there are many times when we think of a friend
Speaker 2: and they don't call. And what just stands out is,
Speaker 2: you know, the times when they do. And there's some
Speaker 2: truth to that. I think that there are coinstances that
Speaker 2: are not meaningful. But sometimes the volume and the the
Speaker 2: intensity of experiences cannot really be explained by cognitive bias.
Speaker 2: So I introduced the idea of spiritual bias, that there
Speaker 2: are other beings out there again, whether we call them
Speaker 2: guardian forces or forces that help direct us and and
Speaker 2: uh and guide us, that creates situations for us that
Speaker 2: we that they know that will, that will identify with,
Speaker 2: that will interpret in a meaningful way. So I think
Speaker 2: that there's such anity that some of this is directed.
Speaker 2: Perhaps it's directed by our higher selves too. It may
Speaker 2: not be beings external to us. There's a whole idea
Speaker 2: that we have a higher being that can be in
Speaker 2: more places than once, that we have our incarnation here
Speaker 2: is Robert Falco or being as elsewhere, which is an
Speaker 2: interesting concept. So I think that whole field is fascinating.
Speaker 2: I think synchronicity also, things like morphic fields are kind
Speaker 2: of bridge concepts. They help explain phenomena that we really
Speaker 2: don't understand, that are so complicated that the best we
Speaker 2: can do is kind of slap a word on them
Speaker 2: to explain what's going on. But the the algorithm to
Speaker 2: understand these things, I think would be incredible, be complex.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Yes, it it makes perfect sense,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I agree. I think it's something at this
Speaker 1: point pretty beyond our basic understanding. But like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, with this advent of quantum physics and computing,
Speaker 1: we may becoming a little bit closer to understanding some
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Now, for the last few minutes that
Speaker 1: we have I want to talk about what you wrote
Speaker 1: about shamanic or etheric realities. I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: there's this whole other world that exists just beyond the
Speaker 1: spectrum of our vision that these entities may exist in,
Speaker 1: and they may be whole other worlds and communities of
Speaker 1: these entities that kind of exist in these realms. Based
Speaker 1: on you know, what you've learned and what you've studied,
Speaker 1: what do you think is going on with these etheric realities?
Speaker 2: Ok. The Shamana traditions are thousands of you years old,
Speaker 2: and I think that the true Shamans were able to
Speaker 2: map there what I call an exoecology, an external ecology
Speaker 2: of beings, and to understand their agendas, their nature to
Speaker 2: in some ways use them. It's for help and knowledge
Speaker 2: in some ways combat beings that were involved in mischief
Speaker 2: or in disease. So I think humans if have had
Speaker 2: a window into this for a long time, and I
Speaker 2: think that's it's part of the just the complex and
Speaker 2: what I call an exoecology on Earth obviously, which is complex,
Speaker 2: but we interact with many other dimensions. Uh and Ufho
Speaker 2: phenomena is clearly part of that. The Shamanic traditions are
Speaker 2: part of that. A lot of occult traditions, yeah, speak
Speaker 2: of that and and have developed various models to to
Speaker 2: explain it, to describe it. You know, I do think
Speaker 2: that we tap into that. People can tap into that
Speaker 2: through psychedelics, through through d M, t ayahuasca, things of
Speaker 2: that nature. There's definitely a much more complex reality out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, we see what five percent of the electromagnetic spectrum,
Speaker 2: and that's just in our dimension. There are other dimensions
Speaker 2: that that you know, we're were our senses are not
Speaker 2: based on electromagnetics. So yeah, it's it's a vast universe
Speaker 2: out there, and I do think the UFO phenomena is
Speaker 2: a window into that, and we see all these these
Speaker 2: different kinds of beings. Jack Jacques Valet and John Keel,
Speaker 2: who I'm sure you're familiar with, you know, speculated that
Speaker 2: the elemental realm may be involved along with the very,
Speaker 2: the very folk and things of that nature. The elemental
Speaker 2: realm is involved in this phenomena. And again bring it
Speaker 2: back to steiner h some of his descriptions, his description
Speaker 2: of of gnomes, which are higher intelligent, unemotional beings, his
Speaker 2: physical description of them fits what a gray is right.
Speaker 2: It's which is fascinating, and he's he speaks about how
Speaker 2: Araman has allied himself with elemental forces. And and one
Speaker 2: thing I speculate about in the paper is this hierarchy
Speaker 2: of beings that you see in the UFO phenomena. You
Speaker 2: have these director beings, the mantises, the taller grays, the humanoids,
Speaker 2: and you have these robotic like grays typically or the
Speaker 2: smaller beings who seem to be uh uh you know,
Speaker 2: robotic or seemed to be yah of lower intelligence and
Speaker 2: task oriented, right, And that you know that I speculate
Speaker 2: that the this is kind of what Keel was getting into.
Speaker 2: What he was starting to tap into, was uh, the
Speaker 2: nature of elemental beings in this phenomena. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're the only beings, but I think that they're part
Speaker 2: of it. You know. It's kind of like the Orcs
Speaker 2: in Token. It's yeah, you know, if you want to
Speaker 2: draw that analogy.
Speaker 1: Now, a lot of the information that we receive about
Speaker 1: these beings in these realms is basically told to us
Speaker 1: from contact ease and people who have experienced this and
Speaker 1: people who have channeled these entities. As far as channeling goes,
Speaker 1: do you think that there's possibility that, uh, some of
Speaker 1: this information that people have channeled is a deception. It's
Speaker 1: it's something to throw humanity off the wrong track, you know,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think so. I mean between it takes
Speaker 2: a lot of distornment really too to be in the
Speaker 2: parent the study of paranormal and UFOs for a lot
Speaker 2: of different reasons. Part of it is as information that
Speaker 2: comes from human right such h Some of it is
Speaker 2: sort of the noise that's created when any group of
Speaker 2: human beings starts to study a phenomena and they start
Speaker 2: to compete about ideas and the politics that developed there.
Speaker 2: So that that's kind of something you have to weigh through.
Speaker 2: But I do think, more to the point of your question,
Speaker 2: that you have to be very discerning in terms of
Speaker 2: what is channeled. I do think that there are mischievous
Speaker 2: beings or even the level of beings that work through
Speaker 2: mediums who present information that's typically partly truth and partly nonsense.
Speaker 2: I think some of this comes from the subconscious of mediums.
Speaker 2: I'm skeptic, Like I'm skeptical of hypnosis unless it's done
Speaker 2: by a real professional. I'm skeptical of any medium who
Speaker 2: loses consciousness. I think that there are mediums and psychics
Speaker 2: who are genuine and anyone that I know of maintains
Speaker 2: consciousness and any sort of reading or investigation that they're doing.
Speaker 2: Anytime you lose consciousness and your being is pushed aside,
Speaker 2: you don't really know what's coming through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have to definitely agree that you definitely
Speaker 1: have to be careful with some of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot more people who have seemingly become interested
Speaker 1: into this, even celebrities talking to aliens. So it's very
Speaker 1: interesting to see what's going on right now now. To
Speaker 1: close out, do you think that with everything happening with
Speaker 1: the mainstream UFO movement and disclosure and putting this into
Speaker 1: people's psyche, you think the world is ready to find
Speaker 1: out that there's not only life beyond our spectrum of vision,
Speaker 1: but it may not be these little green men coming
Speaker 1: in ten cans to visit us. This is more of
Speaker 1: a spiritual, metaphysical, paranormal thing that we really don't have
Speaker 1: a grasp of yet. Do you think the majority of
Speaker 1: populations ready to hear that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think they need to understand it.
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of people out there
Speaker 2: who do understand, and it's an increasing number of people
Speaker 2: who are moving in the direction of understanding it from
Speaker 2: that perspective, so I think we're probably more ready than
Speaker 2: people realize. I mean, the majority of people belong to
Speaker 2: some sort of organized religion, and in those organized religion
Speaker 2: there's a metaphysics that includes spiritual worlds, that includes muroca,
Speaker 2: that includes all sorts of phenomena that are not materialistic,
Speaker 2: not scientifically explainable, so it may challenge their belief systems,
Speaker 2: but fundamentally, I don't think I think most people would
Speaker 2: be ready. I think it's a scientists who are the
Speaker 2: least ready to really understand this phenomena, not people who
Speaker 2: believe in the spirit world or who believe in the
Speaker 2: metaphysics of any of the major religions you know, particularly
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Buddhism, which is very open. It has
Speaker 2: very open to other dimensions of reality in the spirit
Speaker 2: world and has mapped those worlds for hundreds of years.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would like to see us go in
Speaker 2: that direction. Again. I think that there are more people
Speaker 2: who are open to this phenomenon, to this way of
Speaker 2: viewing these phenomena than ever before, and perhaps more people
Speaker 2: are incarnating, you know, who are have more of an
Speaker 2: inclination to be open minded to these things. It's sort
Speaker 2: of a counterweight to the scientism and materialism and the
Speaker 2: emphasis on technology that you know, Steiner warned about in
Speaker 2: terms of the aramonic deception and the cond the hollowness
Speaker 2: of science. It's lack of willingness or ability to explain
Speaker 2: the big questions, the questions of meeting you, why we're here,
Speaker 2: you know, what is human destiny? So that's perhaps a
Speaker 2: long winded you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's that's perfect. Yeah, well, Robert, thank you. That
Speaker 1: was fascinating. I really want to have you back on
Speaker 1: so we can dig deeper into some of Steiner's cosmology
Speaker 1: when it comes to these entities, these arimonic entities and what,
Speaker 1: you know, what their interest in humanity is and how
Speaker 1: they could be interacting with us today and throughout history.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot we can get into with that.
Speaker 1: So I'd love to have you back on to discuss that.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, Robert, thank you so much for Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be great. Well, thank you again so much for
Speaker 1: coming on. Well, like I said, we'll have you back
Speaker 1: on sometime in the future, and until next time, everyone,
Speaker 1: have an excellent evening and we'll definitely see you again
Speaker 1: next week. Today, I want to welcome back to the
Speaker 1: show Lindsay Sharman. She is host of Rogueway's podcast, author
Speaker 1: of several books, educator, and National Board certified teacher with
Speaker 1: a master's in teaching. She is also a spiritualist and
Speaker 1: experiencer of other realms via astral travel, dream walking, visions,
Speaker 1: and interaction with other dimensional entities. Lindsey, welcome back. How
Speaker 1: you doing.
Speaker 3: Fantastic, Chris. Is awesome to be here with you in
Speaker 3: your exceptional audience.
Speaker 1: Having always awesome to have you here. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be fun as usual. Today we're going to discuss past
Speaker 1: lives and past life trauma. And up until a few
Speaker 1: years ago, I had no idea that our past lives
Speaker 1: could carry so much over and so much information and
Speaker 1: baggage into this incarnation. And apparently it can cause major mental, emotional,
Speaker 1: and even physical manifestations in this life. So there's so
Speaker 1: much to this. There's a lot we could get into
Speaker 1: before we do. For those out there that may not
Speaker 1: be familiar with you, just tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about yourself, your content, and your spiritual work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am Lindsay Sharman. I do the show Rogue Ways.
Speaker 3: I'm a spiritual healer, spiritual teacher. And I came to
Speaker 3: all of this begrudgingly. I would say, I've always been,
Speaker 3: you know, into the spiritual and whatever, but as an
Speaker 3: actual sort of I guess, you know, business or occupation
Speaker 3: that was like very foreign to me, and but here
Speaker 3: I am anyways doing it. And I'm so grateful because
Speaker 3: I get to receive actually so much from doing this,
Speaker 3: and I get to watch people transform their lives and
Speaker 3: that's really great. I also write. I do channeled writings
Speaker 3: through entities I've been interacting with my whole life, which
Speaker 3: I call the spiritual ancestors, or sometimes I refer to
Speaker 3: them as the wogies. And those beings might seem to
Speaker 3: other people as though they're extraterrestrial. They present often as
Speaker 3: you know, lights in the sky and things that people
Speaker 3: would call UFOs.
Speaker 4: So I have that.
Speaker 3: Relationship, and uh what else, that's good enough, I guess
Speaker 3: for now. I do a lot as you do too.
Speaker 3: I know you're you can relate.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I A it's good stuff. That's some of
Speaker 1: you do some amazing work. Before we get too deep
Speaker 1: into this, since you mentioned the wogies, maybe could you
Speaker 1: elaborate a little bit on what you believe these beings
Speaker 1: are because later on I want to circle back to this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so these you know, I started experiencing these these
Speaker 3: lights in the sky, and so I assumed, as I
Speaker 3: think most people would, that this was alien craft and
Speaker 3: you know, UFOs extraterrestrials, and uh, it became obvious to
Speaker 3: me eventually that they were could communicate and that they
Speaker 3: could read my thoughts at they're telepathic whatever and whoever
Speaker 3: and wherever they were from, and so I started trying
Speaker 3: to interact with them on that level. And I don't
Speaker 3: really consider myself psychic psychic, like it's not really clear
Speaker 3: to me you know, what someone's thinking or you know,
Speaker 3: anything like that. But I do consider myself empathic and
Speaker 3: as sort of psychic. I receive images, impressions and ideas,
Speaker 3: and so as I was sort of like sending them,
Speaker 3: you know, questions, I started to get like blinks in response.
Speaker 3: That was the easiest way to receive information because it's visual,
Speaker 3: it's like happening actually right in front of me. But
Speaker 3: years into this process. I then started receiving you know,
Speaker 3: those sorts of impressions and understandings and messages more clearly,
Speaker 3: and really I had always been receiving that, but I think,
Speaker 3: like a lot of us, we pack up a lot
Speaker 3: of sort of like baggage and blockage between ourselves and
Speaker 3: that side of ourselves, our logical self and our sort
Speaker 3: of right brained, maybe intuitive side of ourselves. So as
Speaker 3: this relationship developed, I not only was growing my skills
Speaker 3: and abilities, but I was coming to understand these beings more.
Speaker 3: And to me, they're they're not physical. They we could
Speaker 3: call them. I think interdimensional would be the best, the
Speaker 3: best word for them. They're of consciousness might be another
Speaker 3: good way of understanding it, or spiritual beings some people
Speaker 3: might call them because of all of that. So I
Speaker 3: understand them in all of those ways. And I have
Speaker 3: then also experienced you know, intergalactic journeying with them, which
Speaker 3: I think we've talked about on a previous episode, but
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, these beings are would you consider them separate
Speaker 1: from what you understand is your spiritual ancestors or spirit guides.
Speaker 3: I do call them a spiritual ancestors, and they are
Speaker 3: a spirit guides.
Speaker 2: Okay, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't I think that you could say
Speaker 3: that about like Jesus or archangel Michael as well. Right
Speaker 3: like that could be a guide for somebody, and so
Speaker 3: I see them as both really.
Speaker 2: Right on, right on.
Speaker 1: Now to get into the past lives and past life
Speaker 1: from how did you first become interested in start looking
Speaker 1: into past lives and have realizations about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cool because I did not go looking
Speaker 3: for it. I don't remember if I even believed in
Speaker 3: it or not. I don't think I had like an
Speaker 3: understanding of past lives. I have somewhat of a Christian background,
Speaker 3: really loosely, and so if anything, I probably had the
Speaker 3: idea that we just live once and go to heaven
Speaker 3: or Hell, right, if anything, if I had thought about
Speaker 3: it too deeply, and that didn't really ever seem right
Speaker 3: to me. But I still don't think I had pondered
Speaker 3: past lives. But I had this, you know, And it
Speaker 3: was during a dream. And people understand dreams in various ways.
Speaker 3: And I understand dreaming as just another layer of our consciousness,
Speaker 3: and that all of us go traveling ast really every night,
Speaker 3: and some dreams are sort of more mundane, and some
Speaker 3: are more profound, like actual experiences we're having on a
Speaker 3: spiritual or a different layer of conscious sort of level.
Speaker 3: So this was one of those for me. And I
Speaker 3: always called these sort of my powers because I didn't.
Speaker 3: I just needed a way to differentiate them from like
Speaker 3: the dreams we have where we're just going through what
Speaker 3: happened in the day, or you know, our fears or
Speaker 3: those types of things. So I had this power dream,
Speaker 3: you might want to call it. I had this experience
Speaker 3: and it was really clear, as these dreams often are.
Speaker 3: It's almost lucid in a way. And in this experience,
Speaker 3: I was watching cars go by a random road I
Speaker 3: was just sitting on and all of a sudden, like
Speaker 3: a window of Cpia Tone opened and as the cars
Speaker 3: would drive, they were like modern cars, but as they
Speaker 3: hit the cpatone window, they'd become like horse drawn buggies, right,
Speaker 3: and like just I was like what, And then they'd
Speaker 3: go through the other side and be a modern car again.
Speaker 3: And so I understood this cepiatone window was like another time.
Speaker 3: And then I moved into that cpatone window myself, so
Speaker 3: I understood I was now in another time. And then
Speaker 3: I sort of went into a building and then I
Speaker 3: went into like a body, and I was in this body,
Speaker 3: and I was looking in the mirror, and I understood
Speaker 3: myself as Lindsay, having come to this time and into
Speaker 3: this body. But I also then instantly like sort of
Speaker 3: almost lost that understanding of myself and understood myself as
Speaker 3: this person looking in the mirror, totally different person. This
Speaker 3: is like Western times. I'm, you know, brushing my hair
Speaker 3: or something. My name is like Elizabeth, like I just
Speaker 3: have my whole history is like part of my consciousness,
Speaker 3: and I am this person and someone walks up behind me.
Speaker 3: Some small part of myself almost saw them in my
Speaker 3: current life as Lindsay, as someone who's in my extended family.
Speaker 3: But I instantly then also saw them as my husband
Speaker 3: in that life, and I knew and I was scared
Speaker 3: for some reason. And I understood I was scared because
Speaker 3: I was wondering if my husband had learned about my lover.
Speaker 3: And I don't even think I had actually like engaged
Speaker 3: sexually with this lover yet, but that we were like
Speaker 3: flirting and we were connecting, and maybe I was thinking
Speaker 3: about leaving him. I knew I had cheated on some
Speaker 3: level at least, and I was scared that he had
Speaker 3: found out because he was a very violent man. And
Speaker 3: it turns out as he came up to me, he
Speaker 3: was sort of lovingly caressing my neck and then he
Speaker 3: grabbed a knife and cut it, So yeah, he had
Speaker 3: found out. And then I died, and I died horribly
Speaker 3: and painfully and suddenly, and someone unexpectedly, And it had
Speaker 3: started with this sort of light, loving touch of my neck, right,
Speaker 3: And then I left that realm and that understanding and
Speaker 3: that time, and I came back to this and I
Speaker 3: woke up and I was like, that was a crazy dream.
Speaker 3: That was an insane dream. But I started to wonder,
Speaker 3: like what really was that? Because I was that person
Speaker 3: and I had all the memories and I understood everything
Speaker 3: about this life, and I understood who that person my
Speaker 3: husband was, and all these things that had happened in
Speaker 3: our social you know, all of this stuff, and I
Speaker 3: was like, maybe that was me, Like maybe that was
Speaker 3: a life, and people have talked about past lives and
Speaker 3: maybe we do have past lives, and maybe this is it.
Speaker 3: And then I started thinking more and I started understanding
Speaker 3: I had come into this life with a hatred of
Speaker 3: anyone touching my neck, Like if anyone came near my neck,
Speaker 3: I would like freak out and like throw them away,
Speaker 3: you know, like try to like escape, almost like a
Speaker 3: traumatic response like PTSD.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a trigger.
Speaker 3: I started thinking, like, well, that must be what this
Speaker 3: is from, right, because there was no explanation. I'd never
Speaker 3: been like choked in this life or had any sort
Speaker 3: of neck trauma, as lindsay, but I clearly did as
Speaker 3: Elizabeth in the in the Western Times, right, And it
Speaker 3: even you know, in my conception then, and I still
Speaker 3: have some of this conception now, like even if you
Speaker 3: don't want to think of that as a past life,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe there was some other level of trauma
Speaker 3: or ancestral trauma that kind of was being triggered and
Speaker 3: therefore then able to heal in this experience of myself
Speaker 3: as this other person. I really believe and understand it
Speaker 3: as my past life and that my soul has gone
Speaker 3: through all of these incarnations. But I accept that, you know,
Speaker 3: we have this collective memory, and we have ancestral memory,
Speaker 3: and we have these other sorts of ways that we
Speaker 3: might be able to understand this in a different way
Speaker 3: if we want to.
Speaker 4: And I don't think it.
Speaker 3: Matters too much, right, because in the end, the results
Speaker 3: is the same. And the result for me was that
Speaker 3: in experiencing that again and understanding that this is where
Speaker 3: my own neck issues came from, I was able to
Speaker 3: then release that and heal it. And now people can
Speaker 3: touch my neck like, you know, I don't have that anymore.
Speaker 3: And whatever was stored in the physically, you know, has
Speaker 3: had been released. And I did forgiveness with that person
Speaker 3: and that soul and that life, and with myself in
Speaker 3: that life and with myself in this life, and and
Speaker 3: just sort of allowed all of that to release. And
Speaker 3: I think that's what any trauma requires, is that we
Speaker 3: see it, we understand it, we accept it, and we
Speaker 3: just allow it to be what it is. And that
Speaker 3: understanding and allowance allows it to finally leave us and
Speaker 3: we can become healed and whole. So that was my
Speaker 3: very first experience of a past life memory, and that
Speaker 3: was the healing that it brought me. And it may
Speaker 3: seem sort of simple, and you know, it's just a knack,
Speaker 3: it's not that big of a deal, but there were
Speaker 3: more profound experiences to come and more profound healings to
Speaker 3: come in time.
Speaker 4: That was just sort of my intro.
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Speaker 1: ask if you explored any further your own past life experiences,
Speaker 1: but apparently you did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like everything for me, I didn't go seeking it,
Speaker 3: but it definitely came. And you know, one of the
Speaker 3: that one was pretty dark. And I think I've had
Speaker 3: like eight or nine past lives come back to me
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 4: It just keeps growing.
Speaker 1: And did they always come in dreams?
Speaker 3: No, that one came in a dream, and maybe maybe
Speaker 3: a few others have, but a lot more now have
Speaker 3: come in what you know, sort of like a trance
Speaker 3: or a spiritual state that I go into. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm a shamanic healer and I do a lot of
Speaker 3: spiritual work, and so I spend a lot of time
Speaker 3: in meditation and that sort of space, and a lot
Speaker 3: of times when I'm just doing healing with myself, things like.
Speaker 4: That will sort of come forward.
Speaker 3: And one of the most profound and I think deep
Speaker 3: experiences I've recalled I had was I remember it being
Speaker 3: a person in I'm going to say, like the Middle Ages.
Speaker 3: I'm real bad with time, and I'm really bad also
Speaker 3: with names. And it's so funny because I am in conscious,
Speaker 3: waking life and always have been, and it turns out
Speaker 3: that I'm also bad at those things in the spiritual realm,
Speaker 3: so you know, it doesn't change in that level. But
Speaker 3: you know, if I'm gonna say medieval times, the buildings
Speaker 3: were all stone. I felt like we had like horses
Speaker 3: and armies that had like lances and swords, things that
Speaker 3: I right now would call medieval. So I was in
Speaker 3: this time, and I was a man in this life,
Speaker 3: and I was actually really horrifyingly experiencing this life as
Speaker 3: a torturer. It was like my job to torture people.
Speaker 3: And if I weren't so immersed in being that person,
Speaker 3: I would have fled from that life and that memory instantly.
Speaker 3: If I were more of like lindsay consciousness, I would
Speaker 3: not have even allowed myself to explain that because it's
Speaker 3: so repulsive to me and reprehensible to me. And in
Speaker 3: this current life, as Lindsay, it's one of my main
Speaker 3: like moral questions is like how do people torture each other?
Speaker 3: But like how do you get to this point? Where
Speaker 3: you would ever do that to this most heinous, awful,
Speaker 3: just psychopathic thing, right, Like I just can't even understand it.
Speaker 3: And so if I would have had any of this
Speaker 3: level of consciousness, I would not have been able to
Speaker 3: even experience this life. But because in these memories and
Speaker 3: these recalls, I'm so fully immersed in that life as
Speaker 3: that person identifying as this, I was able to experience
Speaker 3: it and live through it because in that life.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a problem with it. I was like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is my job, this is what I do.
Speaker 3: And not only is it my job what I do,
Speaker 3: I kind of like it and I'm like honored by
Speaker 3: people for it. It's like, you know, not everyone's capable
Speaker 3: of this. So I mean, I was like proud of
Speaker 3: myself and I felt like I was doing this duty
Speaker 3: to my I don't know if it was like a
Speaker 3: king or a you know, duke or I have no idea,
Speaker 3: but whoever the leader of you know, my army or
Speaker 3: my military, my country was in that life, I felt
Speaker 3: really happy for that, like I'm doing this duty and
Speaker 3: we need this in society, and we're purging the filth
Speaker 3: and we're getting information we need and all of this
Speaker 3: I felt like I was leading this noble role, and
Speaker 3: so I experienced all of that, experienced harming people, I
Speaker 3: experienced enjoying it. I experienced, you know, feeling good about it.
Speaker 3: And I also then experienced this really unexpected moment in
Speaker 3: that life where I was torturing someone and for some reason,
Speaker 3: I like made eye contact with them, and I just
Speaker 3: understood like what I was doing to people beyond the
Speaker 3: physical right like on like a soul level. It was
Speaker 3: like a spiritual experience, and it horrified me, and I
Speaker 3: like lost my nerve for this, and I suddenly, have
Speaker 3: you ever seen that?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 3: I think it's a family guy or the guy's in
Speaker 3: prison and he like stabs himself and he's like, oh God,
Speaker 3: is that what I've been doing to people this whole time?
Speaker 4: Like I belong in here. It was kind of like that.
Speaker 3: Moment where I was like, this is what I've been doing.
Speaker 3: This is actually horrible, and something about me understood that
Speaker 3: the harm like went beyond like I said, it was
Speaker 3: like almost spiritual or like the emotional effect of it,
Speaker 3: the mental effect of it, and I just had this
Speaker 3: sort of like come to Jesus moment, and I all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, all of it hit me, like my
Speaker 3: whole life and everything I'd done. And also some part
Speaker 3: of this was the realization that perhaps the purpose for
Speaker 3: which I thought I was doing this wasn't so noble,
Speaker 3: wasn't so pure, My leaders weren't so you know, honest
Speaker 3: or something, the cause wasn't so great after all. There
Speaker 3: was something of that in it too, There was something
Speaker 3: of seeing like the humanity in the person who I
Speaker 3: was hurting. All of it sort of hit at once,
Speaker 3: and I like lost myself and I became very scared
Speaker 3: that I was going to be found out as like
Speaker 3: a traitor right if I didn't keep torturing. But I
Speaker 3: also like did not have the stomach anymore to keep torturing.
Speaker 3: So I just went into this deep depression and rejection
Speaker 3: of myself and I was going to kill myself in
Speaker 3: that life. And it was so weird because at that
Speaker 3: point I sort of left that consciousness of myself as
Speaker 3: that person. I returned to my consciousness as Lindsay, and
Speaker 3: I was there as Lindsay outside of this man who
Speaker 3: I also was in that life, and I, as Lindsay
Speaker 3: was like telling him, like, hey, it's okay, like we
Speaker 3: can actually forgive ourselves, like we can receive forgiveness, we
Speaker 3: can heal this, we can release this, like you don't
Speaker 3: have to kill yourself. And I know it's like overwhelming
Speaker 3: right now, but it's gonna be okay. And I was
Speaker 3: trying so hard to help him see you know that
Speaker 3: actually anything can be forgiven. And that was actually kind
Speaker 3: of hard for me to even do because again, as lindsay,
Speaker 3: I was like, I hate you, which means I hate myself,
Speaker 3: which means like what does this mean?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like it's really really hard. I came back to this
Speaker 3: consciousness and came out of that really deep meditation, and
Speaker 3: I was like crying and upset, and because you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if people can relate unless they've experienced it,
Speaker 3: but when you experience it as yourself, it's like it's
Speaker 3: in you, just like if you did that in this life, right,
Speaker 3: That's how it felt to me. So it was really
Speaker 3: traumatic to even experience. And this has been how most
Speaker 3: if my past life recalls have been really traumatic to
Speaker 3: experience and really negative things that I'm either doing or
Speaker 3: that are being done to me, and that life, I
Speaker 3: think the most out of all of them, was the
Speaker 3: most horrific and traumatizing. So I kind of was, you know,
Speaker 3: re traumatized again. It takes twenty days, I think, to
Speaker 3: really deal with just that this had even happened. And
Speaker 3: then I started asking myself, like, why why did I
Speaker 3: go back to that, and why did I learn all
Speaker 3: this again, and why did I re experience it. It has
Speaker 3: to serve a purpose in this current life, or else
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done it. And I started thinking about
Speaker 3: how my whole life I had had this sort of
Speaker 3: preoccupation with trying to understand like why people torture or
Speaker 3: kill one another in horrible ways and what that really is.
Speaker 3: And there I had experienced it, and I did understand it.
Speaker 3: I understood how you could get to that point where
Speaker 3: you felt like it was right or good. So I
Speaker 3: still didn't understand I still didn't experience like the psychopathy
Speaker 3: of it necessarily, like just doing it for the joe
Speaker 3: of it, but I did understand that doing it for
Speaker 3: what you thought was a cause or a purpose, or
Speaker 3: that it was necessary or that the person deserved it.
Speaker 4: And I really did believe that.
Speaker 3: So I could actually understand that now, which in itself
Speaker 3: is healing in a way because in a way. Now
Speaker 3: I have some level of compassion for people who are
Speaker 3: doing that in this world to other people for similar reasons.
Speaker 3: I can understand how you make the mistakes in your
Speaker 3: mind and your heart to get to that point. I
Speaker 3: still can't relate to doing it, because I'm not in
Speaker 3: that place anymore, but I can understand, having been in
Speaker 3: that place, how you could confuse yourself to that point
Speaker 3: and get to that point. So that's kind of worthwhile
Speaker 3: in itself to understand this, you know, someone else's experience
Speaker 3: that I couldn't previously understand. But another part is I
Speaker 3: remembered and this is hard for people to understand sometimes too,
Speaker 3: but I had never really forgotten, but I had just
Speaker 3: put it out of my mind almost completely, that I
Speaker 3: had been tortured as a small child in this life,
Speaker 3: as lindsay, and uh, this is actually the root of
Speaker 3: my own PTSD uh CPTSD, to be precise. And I
Speaker 3: had sort of, like I said, like not repressed it,
Speaker 3: but just put it out of mine. There was nothing
Speaker 3: more to be done with it that I thought I
Speaker 3: could do with it, and so I put it out
Speaker 3: of mind until I went through my own you know,
Speaker 3: healing of CPTSD and other things.
Speaker 4: It just there, It just stayed there.
Speaker 3: But at this moment I remembered, and then that also
Speaker 3: unleashed all of this healing because I was tortured by
Speaker 3: a dentist, which I have found since many people were
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. I guess dentists are sometimes.
Speaker 1: Right here actually orthodontistically, yes, very much so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, and it's awful because you're a child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I help. I have trouble going to
Speaker 1: the dinnis. I'm terrified, but you know, something that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I didn't know what happened to you, you know,
Speaker 3: and it is I also can't I shouldn't say I
Speaker 3: can't have a really hard time going.
Speaker 4: Really goodness too, like really yeah, because you know.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting too because until I started healing from it,
Speaker 3: I could go to the dentist super easily because I
Speaker 3: had put it out of mind and I was really
Speaker 3: good at dissociating. And then once I started healing all
Speaker 3: of this, I was like, I can't go anymore because
Speaker 3: now it's like back, it's in my consciousness and I
Speaker 3: like I can't deal with it. So it's really really
Speaker 3: hard well, yeah, and you know mine at least and
Speaker 3: probably yours too, Like it was really obvious that he
Speaker 3: enjoyed it, you know, and that he loved that I
Speaker 3: couldn't do anything about it, and he loved prolonging it.
Speaker 3: And it was awful. And you know, my parents and
Speaker 3: maybe yours too, like they didn't believe me because I
Speaker 3: was so young. I just thought I didn't understand.
Speaker 1: And also this was one of my parents kind of friends,
Speaker 1: you know, they they were acquaintances. So yeah, yeah, situation.
Speaker 3: They yeah, they choose their victims very intentionally. They're like,
Speaker 3: here's a young one. And they're also like, yeah, their
Speaker 3: parents are my friends or what. There's a reason mine was.
Speaker 3: My mom this was the only dentist that would let
Speaker 3: her make payments.
Speaker 4: We were very poor.
Speaker 3: And so we had to go to that dentist and
Speaker 3: he knew it. So yeah, So that all came back
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, man, I mean, like I
Speaker 3: also then understand. I'm still in forgiveness of that dentist.
Speaker 3: That's a hard thing to forgive. I have a little
Speaker 3: bit more understanding compassion because of my own life as
Speaker 3: a torture in a totally different way, for different reasons
Speaker 3: but somewhat similar. But I also had this understanding because
Speaker 3: I always ask myself, why why did this happen to me?
Speaker 3: Like I get the logical reasons why, Like we just said,
Speaker 3: I was poor, my mom had to go there all day,
Speaker 3: I was young enough, all those things, but like, why
Speaker 3: as a soul did that happen to me? Why did
Speaker 3: that have to go through that in this life? And
Speaker 3: this helped me understand like, oh, it's literally karma. I
Speaker 3: had been the torturer and now I was the receiver
Speaker 3: of the torture. And it's not like this punishment. It's
Speaker 3: not like this hard and fast rule like you have
Speaker 3: to experience every single thing you did, like in detailer,
Speaker 3: but there is something of it that is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: your soul does want to experience both sides of it actually,
Speaker 3: and we don't think that in the moment. In the moment,
Speaker 3: it's hard to really, I guess, except that your soul
Speaker 3: would even arrange that for yourself, or that it would
Speaker 3: choose to experience such a thing as torture. But for me,
Speaker 3: I started to understand that my soul did actually choose
Speaker 3: that and there was a reason for it, and that
Speaker 3: it comes from something, it was caused by something, and
Speaker 3: in this grand cosmic sort of consciousness, higher level sort
Speaker 3: of way.
Speaker 4: It made sense.
Speaker 3: And in the craziest way, that did help me release
Speaker 3: a lot more of that trauma and really start to
Speaker 3: deal with that more effectively. I can actually go to
Speaker 3: the dentist. Now it's still very hard for me. I
Speaker 3: have to work at it and really get myself through it,
Speaker 3: but I can do it, and it is easier and
Speaker 3: easier as that heel. So there's another really extreme example
Speaker 3: of a past life, you know, directly affecting this life,
Speaker 3: causing experiences in this life, but also the recall of it,
Speaker 3: allowing so much healing to take place.
Speaker 1: Have you ever explored or is it possible do you
Speaker 1: think to understand exactly how many lives we've have experienced?
Speaker 3: You know, there's this there's like which level of perception
Speaker 3: are we are we going to look through? Right because
Speaker 3: at the highest, highest, highest level, let's say, from whatever
Speaker 3: we're going to call source or God, we've experienced every
Speaker 3: single life that exists in all of the multiple universes
Speaker 3: and timelines, and right like we are all of that
Speaker 3: r but as like this, as this life, as like lindsay, like,
Speaker 3: how many lives has this aspect of source this soul experienced.
Speaker 3: There's this conception that you you have one hundred and
Speaker 3: eight lives and you could be anywhere in that timeline
Speaker 3: of lives. None of it's happening linearly though, so on
Speaker 3: another level of conception, we're experiencing all one hundred and
Speaker 3: eight at one time, which is also why we can
Speaker 3: remember them. But you you know, some people might be
Speaker 3: if you were looking at it more linearly on their
Speaker 3: like twelfth life or you know, their five fiftieth life
Speaker 3: or their ninety ninth life, or they're like one hundred
Speaker 3: and six, like you're almost done, right. And I think
Speaker 3: the people who are experiencing in linear consciousness closer to
Speaker 3: that one hundred and eighth level are people who we
Speaker 3: look at and go, oh, that's an old soul, this
Speaker 3: is a why soul, or this is a person who's
Speaker 3: really tapped in or connected or really understands like who
Speaker 3: and what we are. I think that's sort of true.
Speaker 3: And the people who are at the other end, or
Speaker 3: the people were like, oh my god, is that personal
Speaker 3: even conscious? Are they an NPC? Like what's happening over
Speaker 3: here now?
Speaker 1: Is there a specific spiritual teaching that says that there
Speaker 1: is one hundred and eight specific lifetimes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's like a Buddhist Vedic sort of hindus.
Speaker 3: It's over in those sorts of areas that ye specific
Speaker 3: number has come up. Yeah, but it's not like I
Speaker 3: don't know a lot of people who really get to
Speaker 3: like materialists or like, yes, exactly one hundred and eight,
Speaker 3: and you know, I feel like it's much more nebulous
Speaker 3: than this. So again, the way I understand is like,
Speaker 3: right now, I'm Lindsay, and I have this sort of
Speaker 3: string of lives that might be one hundred and eight lives,
Speaker 3: and that specific stream is like representing an aspect of
Speaker 3: the mass consciousness that is creating itself and healing itself
Speaker 3: and discovering every aspect of itself. But it is actually
Speaker 3: still just one strand of this much larger consciousness too, right,
Speaker 3: and we're all of sort of moving that way or
Speaker 3: a part of that as well. Is just again it's
Speaker 3: like which level do we want to look at it
Speaker 3: from and what's actually helpful from which to look.
Speaker 1: At Do you think that we have to experience lifetimes
Speaker 1: as lower life on like animals or insects and we
Speaker 1: have to build ourselves up to humans that.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know if I believe that, but that
Speaker 3: is part of that one hundred and eight okay system
Speaker 3: of why is that? Like you went through mineral and
Speaker 3: amba and insect and yeah, reptile and all of the
Speaker 3: different things, and human is sort of the end result
Speaker 3: of all of that, you know. And I would say,
Speaker 3: at the very least, if that seems to be in
Speaker 3: our genetic code, and so we would have memory of
Speaker 3: it anyway, somewhere, we'd have experience of it somewhere within us.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's hard for me to conceive of that as like
Speaker 3: a lifetime though. It feels more like you would, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, experience part of it, as like maybe
Speaker 3: each one of those is one lifetime, like all the
Speaker 3: mineral consciousness is, like you experiences as one or something.
Speaker 3: It's it's I haven't really looked too deeply into it
Speaker 3: for myself, but that's sort of my feeling about it.
Speaker 1: Now. Going through the experience of reliving a past life
Speaker 1: and experiencing your own death, this is a form of
Speaker 1: energy release to where it will help trigger the healing
Speaker 1: of some of those traumas, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely brings healing of current life traumas, and
Speaker 3: just even the understanding or the information of it can
Speaker 3: do that. And that's why I started my guides and
Speaker 3: allies guided me too offer past life readings and past
Speaker 3: life trauma healing work because I don't necessarily I can't
Speaker 3: necessarily give people that same type of reliving and immersive
Speaker 3: memory that I've had, although anyone's capable of experiencing that,
Speaker 3: I can't like trigger it for someone, but I can
Speaker 3: give them the information and even the information. I see
Speaker 3: people's lives transforming just from receiving that, like you had
Speaker 3: this life and here's how it was for you, and
Speaker 3: here's what happened for you. People receive that and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I mean, this makes more sense now, and I understand
Speaker 3: this aspect about myself. And I've always wondered where that
Speaker 3: came from, and now I know. And that level of
Speaker 3: healing is also really powerful. And so I think whether
Speaker 3: it is triggered for people spontaneously like it has been
Speaker 3: for me, whether you receive that information through like a
Speaker 3: reading like I offer people, or I've received past life
Speaker 3: readings from other people too, that have been really helpful
Speaker 3: for me, and just the understanding, just the information can
Speaker 3: can help you receive that healing or release some things
Speaker 3: that you may have been holding on to, or unleash
Speaker 3: some things that you were maybe repressing about yourself.
Speaker 4: Right, that can.
Speaker 3: Happen too, and all those types of healings can be
Speaker 3: a part of this. I also think for me, at least,
Speaker 3: you know, the spontaneous memories I've had, they've come at
Speaker 3: pretty specific times, and when I look back, I can
Speaker 3: see it's like they came at the moments where I
Speaker 3: was ready to understand them and integrate them and release
Speaker 3: what was ready to be released and do that level
Speaker 3: of healing. So I know some people sometimes are like, well,
Speaker 3: I want to do this and I want to experience this,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't know. I think you should
Speaker 3: just trust your soul as a plan, because it's always
Speaker 3: been really hard for me. It's not like what we
Speaker 3: just talked about. Those two lives were easy to experience
Speaker 3: and then weren't easy to heal. You know, what was
Speaker 3: in this life, as lindsay, as a result of either.
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying you want to avoid it either.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like everything happens for a reason. I
Speaker 3: think people should just trust themselves and trust their soul
Speaker 3: in that. And same with if you're called to do
Speaker 3: like a reading with myself or other past life readers
Speaker 3: or healers, you know, I think you trust that you
Speaker 3: feel called to that for a reason too, and that
Speaker 3: it is time for you to learn something else and
Speaker 3: integrate something else and release something else.
Speaker 1: Have you ever consciously gone in and attempted to extract
Speaker 1: a past life memory for myself?
Speaker 3: Yes, for yourself, No, I haven't. I work with myself
Speaker 3: on a very just open ended way. Like my way
Speaker 3: of working with myself is to go into that state
Speaker 3: of you know, spiritual connection, deep meditation or whatever people
Speaker 3: want to call it, and just say to my guys
Speaker 3: and allies like all right, like what now, what do
Speaker 3: you want to do today? And I do that for
Speaker 3: a really specific reason. It's because the times in my
Speaker 3: life where I've tried to push something or for something,
Speaker 3: it has not been as good, and the times where
Speaker 3: it has just spontaneously sort of happened, it's been profound
Speaker 3: over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: So I have this ultimate level of.
Speaker 3: Trust in my guides and allies and in my own
Speaker 3: soul that you know, what needs to happen will happen,
Speaker 3: and that I don't have to ever push it or
Speaker 3: guide it. It will just occur when I give it
Speaker 3: space and time. And that's actually the way I work
Speaker 3: as well with people. And this is why some people
Speaker 3: will ask me, like, oh, can I come to you
Speaker 3: for medium ship stuff? Can we contact you know, one
Speaker 3: of my past on loved ones or whatnot? And I
Speaker 3: always say maybe, right. I don't know, because I have
Speaker 3: had people who have passed come through tarot readings and
Speaker 3: past life readings and you know, guidance sessions that I
Speaker 3: do with people and different healings, but I don't do
Speaker 3: it on purpose, and that's confusing for some people because
Speaker 3: there's so many people who do, and they're like, I
Speaker 3: am a medium or I am a past life reader,
Speaker 3: I am this and that, and I'm like, i'll do
Speaker 3: this session with you. It'll be this long, and I
Speaker 3: know healing and blessings and stuff will happen, but I
Speaker 3: don't know exactly what it's going to be. And sometimes
Speaker 3: we do see past lives for people, and sometimes we
Speaker 3: see people who have passed on, and sometimes there are
Speaker 3: spiritual guides and allies come through, and sometimes a massive
Speaker 3: blessing will happen, and sometimes a physical healing will happen.
Speaker 3: But the truth is is that I don't know what's
Speaker 3: best for you, but your spiritual guides and allies do,
Speaker 3: and my spiritual guides and allies do, And so if
Speaker 3: we just open that space and go in like exactly,
Speaker 3: the right thing will happen. Which is not to say
Speaker 3: I don't get specific. You know, when I do a
Speaker 3: past life reading, it's a past life reading. We're going
Speaker 3: to see your past life. But what will happen you know,
Speaker 3: because of that or in connection with that, or what
Speaker 3: blessing energy or messages will come through, or whether or
Speaker 3: not a past on love one will come through along
Speaker 3: with that. That's all kind of up to you and
Speaker 3: your soul and your spiritual guides and allies.
Speaker 1: Have you experienced or helped anyone experience a level of
Speaker 1: physical healing from a past life trauma.
Speaker 3: Physical healing form passive trauma. I know that physical healing
Speaker 3: has occurred for people, but I'm trying to remember like
Speaker 3: a specific example that would be good.
Speaker 1: I remember I had a guest talk about that in
Speaker 1: one of they were helping someone that in their past
Speaker 1: life they were I believe shot in the neck or shoulder,
Speaker 1: and in this life they had extreme shoulder pain. And
Speaker 1: when they did the regression and went through the whole
Speaker 1: lifetime and death, they came back and the shoulder pain
Speaker 1: was gone, which is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, it's so interesting because I'm not remembering at the
Speaker 3: moment any specific people I've worked with, which isn't to
Speaker 3: say it didn't happen.
Speaker 4: I just that's how my memory works.
Speaker 3: But I am remembering one of my own another past
Speaker 3: life resulted in a physical healing for me my right shoulder.
Speaker 3: Speaking of shoulders, it's actually like under the shoulder blade,
Speaker 3: so whatever that is right, like in the scapular sort
Speaker 3: of area, like at the towards the spine and doubt anyway,
Speaker 3: I have this really constricting mess of i'll say, like
Speaker 3: fascia muscle and nerve that's just like all compacted or something.
Speaker 3: And I have really severe back injuries and massive surgeries
Speaker 3: and all sorts of stuff. So there's a you know,
Speaker 3: good physical reason in this life. But I'm also like, why,
Speaker 3: right there is it always so tense? It's always so constricted?
Speaker 3: There is nothing specific of any of my injuries that
Speaker 3: would put something right there. Right, I had this another
Speaker 3: past life memory came back, and I was an.
Speaker 4: Awful, horrifyingly awful woman.
Speaker 3: This is like sixties seventies of you know, nineteen sixties,
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies, So this is linearly my last life that
Speaker 3: I had before I came into this existence. Horrifying woman,
Speaker 3: really beautiful, like very very beautiful, and like power hungry.
Speaker 3: But I was a criminal too, and I had this
Speaker 3: man who was like physically smaller than me and not
Speaker 3: as attractive as me, and not as powerful as me,
Speaker 3: and he was like my little slave like peon, like
Speaker 3: I treated him like garbage and he would do whatever
Speaker 3: I wanted because I could make him do whatever I wanted,
Speaker 3: and I loved that. I was such a selfish, horrifying person.
Speaker 3: I'm disgusted by it. So that's who I was. And
Speaker 3: the part of the life that I went into and
Speaker 3: re experienced was again my death, my murder. Actually I
Speaker 3: won't go into too much detail because it was super graphic,
Speaker 3: but he stabbed. He started off by literally stabbing me
Speaker 3: in the back in that exact location. And it's funny
Speaker 3: because that area can be an area where we hold
Speaker 3: pain in regards to to like self loathing and treating
Speaker 3: others with cruelty, So right exactly there, and that's where
Speaker 3: he stabbed me. So it's like energetically it would get
Speaker 3: stuck there more easily, it would more easily manifest in
Speaker 3: the next life because that's like the exact spot to
Speaker 3: hold all those energies. But that wound, too, was such
Speaker 3: a staggering blow to my ego. I didn't even understand
Speaker 3: it for a few minutes of that experience. I was like,
Speaker 3: what's even happening? Because I own him. He would never
Speaker 3: just stab I mean, what's what's stabbing me? And it
Speaker 3: took me a while to realize, like, oh, he's stabbing me,
Speaker 3: you know, and then worst things happened and then I died,
Speaker 3: But you know, I in that life kind of understood like, wow,
Speaker 3: I kind of deserved this. I mean like I just
Speaker 3: treated him like the worst piece of garbage and used
Speaker 3: him in every way possible, never gave him any respect
Speaker 3: or love or anything, and just expected it for years
Speaker 3: and years and years. So I kind of already started
Speaker 3: settling into that before I even fully died in that life,
Speaker 3: and apparently came into this life with that pain, and
Speaker 3: when I started thinking about it, I was like, the
Speaker 3: times it would hurt most were the times where I
Speaker 3: in this life have wanted to become like you know,
Speaker 3: you do what I say and like kind of controlling
Speaker 3: and like egotistical and selfish, and it would like flare
Speaker 3: up in tense and like tighten and.
Speaker 4: Cause all this physical pain for me.
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's so fascinating. So like in
Speaker 3: this life, when I'm nearing the energy that caused that
Speaker 3: in the past life to be done to me, that
Speaker 3: physical wound will like reappear to remind me. Basically, It's
Speaker 3: almost like a gift in a way. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't want to hurt, right, but part of me is like, well,
Speaker 3: thank you for reminding me, Like why I don't want
Speaker 3: to treat people like that ever again?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And this is also like, I mean, this is the
Speaker 3: journey of our soul, like it is gathering information, gathering experience,
Speaker 3: learning what it wants to do and doesn't want to
Speaker 3: do in order to accomplish its goals, and like that's
Speaker 3: why we experience anything we experienced.
Speaker 1: Really, are you ever the understanding that all of our
Speaker 1: lifetimes are in a sense occurring at the same time,
Speaker 1: because time doesn't truly occur linearly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's a beautiful way and reason
Speaker 3: why we can access all of these past lives and
Speaker 3: all of this information is it is really truly happening
Speaker 3: all right now. And you know, that's why it gets
Speaker 3: hard sometimes are we seeing like the future actually or
Speaker 3: the past? Because I've had some past life readings where
Speaker 3: it seems like the life is something you know, like
Speaker 3: Atlantis we might say, right, or like prehistory like distant
Speaker 3: distant civilizations but on Earth. But then I can kind
Speaker 3: of get confused and be like, well, is this the
Speaker 3: far future then? I mean, I don't know, And are
Speaker 3: we kind of just going in this loop? I mean
Speaker 3: we go from Golden Age to Dark Age to Golden
Speaker 3: Age to Dark Age to Golden Age to dark age,
Speaker 3: Like it's not the same every time, but it's very
Speaker 3: similar every time. So there's even some part of me
Speaker 3: that I can get kind of confused about time and
Speaker 3: space and like where are we.
Speaker 4: And when are we?
Speaker 3: And you know, like I said, I'm already not good
Speaker 3: with that stuff in this life. So it can get
Speaker 3: sort of hard the more you have ego death, and
Speaker 3: you know, release of these linear conceptions of time and space,
Speaker 3: it gets even weirder and weirder.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we could experience lifetimes as non
Speaker 1: human entities, such as what we would understand as extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: or interdimensional beings.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had one past life that came back for a guy.
Speaker 3: This was before I was doing past life reading specifically,
Speaker 3: but I was doing a guidance session with him and
Speaker 3: this energy sort of returned and I understood that it
Speaker 3: was him in another incarnation. And I didn't really even
Speaker 3: have a conception of what this being was. I knew
Speaker 3: it was physical. It seemed to me almost like a beast,
Speaker 3: but it looked so weird. I just I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what this is or how to
Speaker 3: describe it, but understand your consciousness in this life, and
Speaker 3: I understand what you're experiencing in that life, and I
Speaker 3: can explain that and I could share that with you,
Speaker 3: and that's the part that needs to come back anyway.
Speaker 3: But it was super weird. The flora and fauna was
Speaker 3: like different, the whole things were different.
Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about what that
Speaker 1: experience was for that person?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was this deep like oneness with life, like
Speaker 3: as emotion, as a movement. The consciousness was so vast,
Speaker 3: But it's so interesting because it's a high level of consciousness.
Speaker 4: But I feel like.
Speaker 3: We would project onto it and judge it as a
Speaker 3: low level of consciousness because it was that I keep thinking,
Speaker 3: like beast like like it was just not It couldn't
Speaker 3: have spoken with words or like written numbers down right,
Speaker 3: It can't build like a tower for you, but it
Speaker 3: like understands everything perfectly. And so there was this powerful magic,
Speaker 3: I want to say, of this being that it just had.
Speaker 3: It could just kind of change things and do things
Speaker 3: and be anything and understand anything, and that was like
Speaker 3: its purpose in its ecosystem. But there was something in
Speaker 3: it too that was therefore, i'll say, like uncontrollable in
Speaker 3: like reactivity. So when other beings might like approach it,
Speaker 3: it would just maybe sometimes like snap them and break
Speaker 3: them apart. So like part of what was coming back
Speaker 3: to this person was this understanding of the ability to
Speaker 3: connect with that vast oneness energy, but also the warning
Speaker 3: to not get like lost in it, because you kind
Speaker 3: of lose what we talk about is like being civilized
Speaker 3: or human. When you go too deep into that, it's
Speaker 3: like a wildness. So it's really really crazy, and for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, that person understood perfectly. They're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I get like in mind, wherever they were at, whatever
Speaker 3: they were doing, whatever they you know, works experiencing and
Speaker 3: healing for themselves.
Speaker 4: It was perfect for them.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because I go into these things sometimes
Speaker 3: and I'm like, am I supposed to like really say
Speaker 3: this to this person right now?
Speaker 4: Because this seems ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Like like what is this thing I'm looking at?
Speaker 4: And like is this even real?
Speaker 3: And you know, but then it comes true in that person,
Speaker 3: Like all the people I work with I'm so grateful
Speaker 3: are are like, oh yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4: It's perfect.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, good because I kind of don't.
Speaker 4: I mean I do, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Now, could you possibly help the audience visualize how you
Speaker 1: assist people with recovering past life memories. Do the memories
Speaker 1: show up in your consciousness? In your mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And so this is what again. My spiritual guides and
Speaker 3: allies kind of forced me into this. They were like,
Speaker 3: you know, you're going to start doing past life tarot
Speaker 3: readings and I was like I don't think that's a
Speaker 3: thing that people do. And I don't think it's a
Speaker 3: thing that people do. I actually think I'm like the
Speaker 3: only person in the world who does pass life tarot readings. Well,
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I don't know how to
Speaker 3: do that. I don't think it's a thing, and they
Speaker 3: just kept like pushing it and pushing it and pushing it,
Speaker 3: and its Finally I was like, ah, God, I've learned
Speaker 3: a long time ago that I just should do what
Speaker 3: I'm told. Everything goes better for everyone that way. And
Speaker 3: so I got some guinea pigs to let me try
Speaker 3: it out on them, and you know, a layout just
Speaker 3: kind of a formed in my mind, and I started
Speaker 3: doing this reading, and I didn't really like trust it
Speaker 3: at first. I was like, I don't understand how a
Speaker 3: tarot card is going to show me someone's past life.
Speaker 3: But I mean I understood since then, and I think
Speaker 3: I understood this before then, truly, but that the card
Speaker 3: is just like an access point. And really, anytime I'm
Speaker 3: doing a reading, a life path reading or an insight
Speaker 3: vignette reading or these past life terra readings that I've
Speaker 3: started been doing for a while now, but the card
Speaker 3: is just an access point for the information to come
Speaker 3: through the card, Like doesn't even really matter. I could
Speaker 3: do the same thing without cards, but the cards are
Speaker 3: very helpful for me.
Speaker 2: Medium.
Speaker 3: So what happens is I flip the first card over
Speaker 3: and I usually sit for it with it for you know,
Speaker 3: a minute, and for whatever reason, that car just allows
Speaker 3: me this portal through and I start seeing this life
Speaker 3: and I start seeing it, I start sensing like when
Speaker 3: or where and what type of person, and you know,
Speaker 3: the sort of background of the person and how they
Speaker 3: looked and how they seem to me, and what their
Speaker 3: goals and what their purposes were and why they were
Speaker 3: the way they were, and all of this information comes through,
Speaker 3: and we actually used three cards to just kind of
Speaker 3: get a full complete picture of that life and what happened,
Speaker 3: specifically what happened that matters for this life currently, because
Speaker 3: not everything we lived through in every life matters right now,
Speaker 3: but some of it does. And that's why it's coming
Speaker 3: up in the reading. And you know, people will ask like,
Speaker 3: why this life, Why does this life come up when
Speaker 3: you did this reading for me? And the answer is
Speaker 3: always like, that's the one that's the most helpful for you,
Speaker 3: right now to receive this information and this impression of
Speaker 3: yourself and that experience of yourself is going to unlock something,
Speaker 3: it's going to unleash something, and it's going to heal something.
Speaker 3: It's going to allow you to understand something that right
Speaker 3: now you needed more than any other life's lesson or karma.
Speaker 3: And so we look into that, we see that, we
Speaker 3: look into some of the challenges that are still going
Speaker 3: on in this current life because of that life, and
Speaker 3: then we look into some of the gifts because we
Speaker 3: also always have good things that came from each of
Speaker 3: those lives too, even when it doesn't always seem like
Speaker 3: that immediately. So we look at some of the gifts
Speaker 3: karmically that have come. We look into the future, like
Speaker 3: what's coming next in this current life because of those
Speaker 3: karma patterns, And usually that's a really good opportunity to
Speaker 3: continue or finish the healing or the lessons from that life,
Speaker 3: so you can kind of close that life and maybe
Speaker 3: move on to the next and then you know, we
Speaker 3: get some final messages. So that is always really healing
Speaker 3: for people, and the reading itself is awesome for any Again,
Speaker 3: like I said, I think people just know when they
Speaker 3: feel called like, oh that sounds really interesting or I
Speaker 3: really want to do that. There's probably a past life
Speaker 3: that's waiting to give you some messages. But I've also
Speaker 3: learned that because of how healing this can be and is,
Speaker 3: that some people want or need like a longer extended
Speaker 3: support through healing the trauma that comes up from this.
Speaker 3: Some of the traumas that come up are so powerful
Speaker 3: in this current life that it's going to take more
Speaker 3: than just a quick interaction with it to really help
Speaker 3: it unfold and release.
Speaker 4: So I also offer a.
Speaker 3: Past life Tarot healing journey in which we intentionally, you know,
Speaker 3: uproot some of this old trauma and do past life
Speaker 3: readings and do guidance sessions and do practices, and it's
Speaker 3: a longer extended support to help people heal. Sometimes we
Speaker 3: get to do multiple lives in that journey, and sometimes
Speaker 3: we just do one because it's big enough to do
Speaker 3: to work on the whole time, you know, and it's
Speaker 3: just different for everyone. That's been really beautiful too. I've
Speaker 3: seen people really transform, you know, career, physical health, mental health,
Speaker 3: emotional health, just in this it's usually about six months time,
Speaker 3: and it's incredible. So all of that came from my
Speaker 3: guides and allies being like, hey, you should do past
Speaker 3: life terror readings.
Speaker 1: That's great. I'd love to get your insights into how
Speaker 1: to effectively make contact with your guides make first contacts.
Speaker 1: I get all the time folks asking me about how
Speaker 1: personally I've made contact with my guides. Initially it was
Speaker 1: through meditation. I oftentimes use plant medicines, and I don't
Speaker 1: ever want to recommend anyone to use any other substances.
Speaker 1: So I'd really love to hear about your experiences with
Speaker 1: how you initially made contact with your guides, and maybe
Speaker 1: any recommendations for folks that are looking to to find
Speaker 1: there guys but have no idea on how to start
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a big question, and for me, I
Speaker 3: really I the more I look back, the more I
Speaker 3: see I like came into this life with like a
Speaker 3: full contact already happening, and it's just been unfolding.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Me accepting that and understanding that is really the main
Speaker 3: blockage to that ever being a part of my life.
Speaker 3: So that's been ongoing all the time. But if you
Speaker 3: want to, like, if anybody out there, what I always
Speaker 3: emphasize is that this is all coming through your heart.
Speaker 3: It's not coming through your mind. It's not coming through logic,
Speaker 3: it's not coming through your thoughts. It's coming through your heart.
Speaker 3: And when you know that and you focus on that,
Speaker 3: that's going to be the fastest track and the safest track.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: There's all these different like things you can do in
Speaker 3: sigils and whatever, blah blah blah. You can do anything
Speaker 3: you feel called to. I would just always focus on
Speaker 3: the love aspect of it, because the universal source is love.
Speaker 4: God is love.
Speaker 3: Whatever you want to call all that. The spirit tual
Speaker 3: ancestors are love. That highest level of consciousness is love,
Speaker 3: and your heart is where you access love, feel love, right,
Speaker 3: transmit love. So all the messages I get, all of
Speaker 3: the impressions, I get, all the images I get, all
Speaker 3: of that is coming through my heart, not through my mind.
Speaker 3: So when I go into a spiritual space, I also
Speaker 3: then do it through love, you know. And so I
Speaker 3: tell people sometimes when they're like I don't know like
Speaker 3: how to get into that vibe or how to raise
Speaker 3: my vibration or how to like get like deeper into that,
Speaker 3: I'm like, just lay down, close your eyes, hold your heart,
Speaker 3: and just go.
Speaker 4: Love love love love love, love, love, love, love.
Speaker 3: Love love, like just sit there and say it and
Speaker 3: feel it right, or maybe you imagine all the things
Speaker 3: that remind you of love, like your dogs and your
Speaker 3: cats and birds and the things that you love in
Speaker 3: life and nature and like all the good stuff babies laughing.
Speaker 3: Like whatever it is that you're calling that forward, you're
Speaker 3: going to start feeling that in your heart. That's going
Speaker 3: to start putting you in that space. But what I also,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of warn people about is that for
Speaker 3: a long time, you know, instead of connecting really clearly
Speaker 3: with your own higher consciousness or your own spiritual guides
Speaker 3: and allies, what you might do instead is like cry
Speaker 3: a lot, because what you actually have to do first
Speaker 3: sometimes is heal. And I always come back to this,
Speaker 3: and you know, I have a lot of students and
Speaker 3: a lot of different classes and healings and readings and
Speaker 3: all these things I do, and I always come back to, like,
Speaker 3: the reason we're healing emotionally, mentally, physically, or any of
Speaker 3: these levels is because that is the spiritual journey we've
Speaker 3: talked about. Right, this shoulder pain I had is physical,
Speaker 3: but what was the root of it? It was spiritual
Speaker 3: it was emotional, it was energetic. So all of this
Speaker 3: healing we're doing is actually clarifying all the levels of
Speaker 3: our body and mind in order to just be what
Speaker 3: we already are, which is this conduit for love, which
Speaker 3: is the source of all things in the universe and
Speaker 3: is the source of all of these messages, visions and more.
Speaker 3: So I would say those those are the best ways
Speaker 3: to sort of start that or get in connection. But
Speaker 3: I also you know, if you do a guidance session
Speaker 3: with me, your guides and allies come through. And so
Speaker 3: if you want to know who some of them are
Speaker 3: and you want to receive messages in that way, that's
Speaker 3: something that I do too. But you know, the other
Speaker 3: last thing I'll add to this is that all of
Speaker 3: us have many, many, many spiritual guides and allies. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people think they have like one
Speaker 3: or something. It's like, now you I'm going to say,
Speaker 3: each of us has tens and tens of spiritual guides
Speaker 3: and allies who are on our side, part of our team,
Speaker 3: helping us out along the way.
Speaker 1: And something else I've encountered since I've made contact with
Speaker 1: my guides and started having my spiritual experiences is the
Speaker 1: negative entities and spiritual attachments that I've had to deal
Speaker 1: with myself. I've recently helped others deal with their own
Speaker 1: spiritual attachments. And this is something that most people will
Speaker 1: probably never realize they have unless they are seeking some
Speaker 1: of these spiritual experiences.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: And I think that's another reason why it's so important
Speaker 3: to be healing at any levels, because those things can
Speaker 3: only access us through our wounds and through our lower
Speaker 3: lower vibrations. You might think of it, right, which is
Speaker 3: where which is our wounds, and is our traumas, and
Speaker 3: is those things? So there's yet another reason to to
Speaker 3: heal everything you can, whenever you can, like to be
Speaker 3: the brightest you can be. Is because those types of
Speaker 3: energies really love to feed off of us, and they
Speaker 3: love to get their little hooks in wherever they can.
Speaker 3: And it's also true that sometimes as you're healing, and
Speaker 3: as you're opening your spiritual channels, and as you're connecting
Speaker 3: more with your guides and allies, that some of these
Speaker 3: things seem to like come out of the woodwork to
Speaker 3: like specifically target and attack you.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And you know the way to understand that is to say, like, well,
Speaker 3: you were a food source for them and their friends
Speaker 3: until you started healing, and they don't like that, and
Speaker 3: they want that brightness you're creating, but they want it
Speaker 3: as food for themselves instead of for you. So they're
Speaker 3: going to try to like maybe pull you back off
Speaker 3: track or get through your defenses. And I think the
Speaker 3: beautiful thing about that is we don't have to fear
Speaker 3: any of it because we know that that isn't love, right,
Speaker 3: and we are love and.
Speaker 4: That's all we on.
Speaker 3: That's another reason to come back to that heart space
Speaker 3: and that energy because they can't get through that.
Speaker 1: I've had experiences getting rid of some of these things
Speaker 1: just by busting out laughing very hard. They like absolutely
Speaker 1: hate higher vibrational energy laughter. Love. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you're just talking about this because I was just
Speaker 3: at Walmart the other day and there was this woman
Speaker 3: who is demonically possessed. And you know, other people would
Speaker 3: understand this as like someone who is really just mentally unwell,
Speaker 3: it's the same difference to me, but I see the
Speaker 3: possession instantly, and they usually see me instantly too, because
Speaker 3: I'm like this blazing beacon of light and they're like, Ooh,
Speaker 3: what's that shiny thing? All right, So we walk by
Speaker 3: this woman's you know, woman form demon energy, and she
Speaker 3: was like standing there right now. We had to like
Speaker 3: squeeze past her to get through, and she just like
Speaker 3: instantly like glond onto me right behind me and was
Speaker 3: like following me. And I don't know what she was
Speaker 3: saying or doing because I don't care anymore because this
Speaker 3: happens to me like all the time.
Speaker 4: It's really I.
Speaker 3: Have so many crazy stories of really mentally on all
Speaker 3: people who demonic energies just come through and like attack.
Speaker 3: In fact, the one not that long ago, literally from
Speaker 3: across the street, it was like, Lindsey, You're gonna die.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, whoa Okay, did you know who this
Speaker 1: person was?
Speaker 2: No? I was.
Speaker 4: I was in where I have never been before. Yeah, wow, No,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: People don't. People don't always believe me. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm targeted. I'm not a targeted individual from the government.
Speaker 3: I'm a targeting suitual from the spiritual realm. But that
Speaker 3: was a really crazy, wild experience. I have a I
Speaker 3: have a video out about it that probably has Asheville
Speaker 3: somewhere in the title of people want to go listen
Speaker 3: to that extended story on Roagueways. But this woman at
Speaker 3: Walmart was just like, you know, she targeted us. She
Speaker 3: like globbed onto the back. I mean, she was like
Speaker 3: trying to I mean, I feel it as her trying
Speaker 3: to get through at the demon, trying to get through
Speaker 3: my spiritual protection. But again, this has happened to me
Speaker 3: so many times that I just have this unbreakable faith.
Speaker 3: I didn't even turn around. I didn't look at her,
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything. I didn't respond or acknowledge her
Speaker 3: even I just held that wall, that spiritual light I
Speaker 3: call it, you know, calling in the golden light, and
Speaker 3: that repelled her, but it also seemed to make her angry.
Speaker 3: The demon angry because it didn't get what it wanted,
Speaker 3: and so I could tell it was going to then
Speaker 3: go like attack other people, Whereas before it had been
Speaker 3: kind of hanging out at the front, like being mindless
Speaker 3: and just being a negative energy around, But now it
Speaker 3: was going to start directing it at people because I
Speaker 3: had like properly deflected it. So then I understood that
Speaker 3: I had to I have to, but I wanted to
Speaker 3: make sure it didn't attack anyone else. So I was
Speaker 3: calling in the golden light to sort of protect anyone
Speaker 3: who it might interact with and just bring in you know,
Speaker 3: the angelic or whatever spiritual guides and allies. And it
Speaker 3: really is just that permission they need, like an invitation.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a public spot in a way, right,
Speaker 3: We're all allowed to be there, but someone has to
Speaker 3: invite them to come do their work there. So it's
Speaker 3: really all I'm doing, and they do the work, not me.
Speaker 3: And so I saw that just kind of come around
Speaker 3: these people she was headed towards, and that like stopped
Speaker 3: her again, and she started screaming because she couldn't get
Speaker 3: through the light wall, and then you know, she's upset,
Speaker 3: and eventually I realized, I just need to put this
Speaker 3: around the whole store. She's just gonna hang out here
Speaker 3: all day, like trying to attack people, And so I
Speaker 3: called and asked if it could be put around the
Speaker 3: whole store. And she started leaving, and she got to
Speaker 3: the front door and there's you know, thirty people she
Speaker 3: could possibly look back at. But she looks back at
Speaker 3: me and it makes eye contact and like or whatever,
Speaker 3: and wanders away. But you know, part of me could
Speaker 3: feel like victimized by that, like.
Speaker 4: Why me, why is this always happening.
Speaker 3: But another part of me is like, I mean, I
Speaker 3: really think that's like why I went to Walmart today
Speaker 3: at this time is because Source and whoever was like, well,
Speaker 3: you can go in and call in the light and
Speaker 3: help everyone get through this demonic encounter. And I want
Speaker 3: everyone to also take from that that I'm not special,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not like I don't have like a
Speaker 3: special level of clearance from angelic energy or something. It's
Speaker 3: like anyone can call on those energies and ask for
Speaker 3: them to come, and they will always come. They never
Speaker 3: don't respond, And sometimes I think some people don't really
Speaker 3: feel that necessarily right away, but it is happening. Sometimes
Speaker 3: there's deeper layers of darkness they have to come through
Speaker 3: to get to you, but they're always there. They're always coming.
Speaker 3: So you know, if you ever find yourself in any
Speaker 3: situation where the darkness seems to be around, you can
Speaker 3: call on the light. And I think one of the
Speaker 3: things too, is people don't believe like they believe they
Speaker 3: have to be like in a relay or of a
Speaker 3: specific belief or call on a specific entity. And I
Speaker 3: don't think you do. I think you just call on whatever. Again,
Speaker 3: what connects to your heart, like what do you love most?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Do you love Jesus? Call on Jesus? Do you love Ganesh?
Speaker 3: Call on Ganesh. Whoever you want, whoever you believe is
Speaker 3: of the light and truly loving, ask them to come
Speaker 3: in or just do what I did, call in the
Speaker 3: light itself.
Speaker 1: Is this something that you also help folks with is
Speaker 1: identifying and ridding spirits attachments?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's one of my favorite things to do, is
Speaker 3: helping people brighten themselves in their space and rid themselves
Speaker 3: of those dark attachments and energies. And you know, it's
Speaker 3: one of my It just tends to be the people
Speaker 3: who I work with. Honestly, It's like I don't even
Speaker 3: necessarily go seeking it or advertising it, but most of
Speaker 3: the people who come to me do have some level
Speaker 3: of that darkness to clear out, and honestly, I think
Speaker 3: most of us do. It's not always as intense as
Speaker 3: what I just described, but you know it's around. So
Speaker 3: I think the more we heal ourselves and the more
Speaker 3: we clear those things, the better off we and everyone
Speaker 3: else around us.
Speaker 1: Is awesome, Lindsay, this was fantastic as usual. If folks
Speaker 1: want to find out more about you get some of
Speaker 1: your services. How can they do so?
Speaker 3: The best way would be to go to rogue ways
Speaker 3: dot org. It's ways as in pathways, not as in
Speaker 3: ocean waves. And rogueways dot org is the place you
Speaker 3: can find the books that I've channeled through the links
Speaker 3: to rogue Ways if you want to listen or watch along,
Speaker 3: and also the services. You can book any of them there.
Speaker 3: I also have classes that I teach that you can
Speaker 3: take that are self paced on your own time, or
Speaker 3: we can always do that one on one.
Speaker 4: I teach people.
Speaker 3: I love to teach people what I do or any
Speaker 3: level of the things we've been talking about, and anyone
Speaker 3: can develop those gifts and themselves too, So that's one
Speaker 3: of the things I do. I do events every solstice
Speaker 3: in Equinox. We just had one yesterday. Actually it was
Speaker 3: one day of brightness and so you can get booked
Speaker 3: for the next one if you want to come to that.
Speaker 3: It's a really powerful uplifting healing. No darkness there, no
Speaker 3: darkness could exist on one day of brightness. And yeah,
Speaker 3: my Past life terror reading is the past life trauma
Speaker 3: healing journey and all of that is all linked to
Speaker 3: from Roaguays dot.
Speaker 1: Org awesome, Lindsey, thank you once again, and we'll definitely
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