WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.839 Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:07.599 Tonight, I want to. 3 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:11.880 Welcome to the show. Robert Falco. After completing advanced studies 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:14.800 in psychology, he worked in the field of mental health 5 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:18.839 since nineteen eighty six, most recently in private practice. He 6 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:22.160 has served as an adjunct professor of psychology at a 7 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:26.399 number of universities in college colleges. Since his youth, he 8 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:30.600 has pursued interest in the prayer normal, especially at UFOs, 9 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:35.560 publishing in the Bulletin of Anomalist Experience, Outer Limits magazine, 10 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:40.840 and related journals. He is also a children's book author. Robert, Welcome, 11 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:41.759 How are you doing tonight? 12 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:43.359 Okay, how are you, Chris. 13 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.359 I'm very good. Thanks for joining us. I've been looking 14 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.320 forward to having you on. I've read the papers that 15 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.880 you sent me and very fascinating. We're going to talk 16 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:57.520 about those. You basically created an outline for an integration 17 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:02.119 of quantum physics, karmac theory, scheme of theory and therapy, 18 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:08.079 shamanic or etheric realities and the nature of coincidence, and 19 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:13.000 another paper about the parallels between recent UFO phenomenon and 20 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:17.000 Rudolph Steiner's cosmology. And we're going to talk about those. 21 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.560 This is gonna be fascinating, But first, this is your 22 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.400 first time on the show. I'd love to hear more 23 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.680 about just your background in general and what brought you 24 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:28.599 to delve into these topics. 25 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.879 Well, the UFO phenomena I have been interested in since 26 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:36.319 I was quite young. I had an experience of being 27 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:41.159 visited by what were later termented beings when I was 28 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:47.840 about eight or eight years old, and we can get 29 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:52.400 into that perhaps, but it was pretty classic experience of 30 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.959 apocalyptic visions, ecological disasters, that kind of thing, which I 31 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.359 had no frame of reference at that point for it. 32 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:02.760 That was back in the sixties, so I'm kind of 33 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:06.319 dating myself here. But you know, later in reading the 34 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:11.120 abduction literature, which fascinated me, I made a clear link. 35 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:14.840 It was sort of a classic experience, a manted experience. 36 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.840 After that, perhaps because of that, I'm not quite sure, 37 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.919 I became very interested in the paranormal from a young age. 38 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.800 In terms of UFOs. I actually did an independent study 39 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:29.960 in college on that. I had an anthropology professor who 40 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.120 was willing to sponsor that. That turned into a couple 41 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:38.039 of small articles, and I eventually took that work and 42 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.199 put into an article on the Bulletin of anomaloust Experience 43 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.080 back in nineteen ninety four. Since then, you know, I've 44 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.439 been kind of in and out of studying the phenomena. 45 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.199 Most recently the last ten years or so, I've become 46 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.520 pretty avid reader of Rudolf Steiner. I had previously studied 47 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:01.319 Gurjeff and some other occult traditions, but Steiner was was 48 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:04.599 a revelation to me. I really have gotten a lot 49 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.960 out of reading him, and in the article at a 50 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:12.639 Limits magazine, which is August of twenty twenty, it's a 51 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:17.240 UK publication, I put together some thoughts and some research 52 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:21.439 I had done linking as you mentioned, Steiner's cosmology in UFOs. 53 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:25.319 So to some degree, I come from the advantage point 54 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.319 of an experiencer. I'm most interested in the abduction phenomena. 55 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.439 I'm not so much interested in nuts and bolts and 56 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.439 lights in the sky type aspect of UFOs, although I 57 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:39.000 think that has its place. So that's that's something I've 58 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:44.719 been studying. Reading Hopkins Jacob's Yvonne Smith recently very interested 59 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:50.360 in tying it into the star speculations about star children, 60 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:54.879 about the evolution of man. I see the UFO phenomena 61 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:59.120 as a spiritual phenomena, not so much a technological phenomena 62 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:03.080 you know about for souls, almost in a token kind 63 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.280 of fashion. So that's I tie in Tolkien a little 64 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.199 bit in the paper as well, so maybe it gives 65 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:15.919 you an overview. Yeah, in my practice, I've come across 66 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:18.439 a couple of people who have had a number of 67 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:22.720 people have had unusual experiences, including some couple of people 68 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.839 have had UFO abductions, so I have some familiarity with that. 69 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.240 I've also run into some people who were connected to 70 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:38.759 MK Ultra, the CIA mind control studies experiments, so that 71 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.000 opened up a whole other window into kind of what's 72 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:43.240 going on in the world right now. 73 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.959 Yeah, definitely, And you know, we're going to talk about 74 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.160 Steiner's work and the connections to ufology today. The more 75 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.600 I learn and look into it, the more these spiritual 76 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:58.240 connections that you mentioned become very apparent. And I don't 77 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:00.399 think that you would be able to separate rate the 78 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:04.560 two once you, you know, learn and gets to a certain 79 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:08.399 level of understanding with this, and even with a paranormal 80 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.759 phenomenon and the link to consciousness, it's all you know connected, 81 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.319 and the more I study it and look into it. 82 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.800 The more parent that is. And you can't once you 83 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.199 go down there, you can't get out of it, you know, 84 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:22.920 you got to keep going down that road. 85 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.959 Absolutely. Yeah, I think this is again a lot of 86 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.240 people have already connected to the UFO phenomena, the abduction phenomena, 87 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:35.079 particular with your death experiences out of body experiences. The 88 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.600 Free Research Institute has done some great studies on that, 89 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:47.639 the out of your intull sponsored studies, which they emphasize 90 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.079 more the positive aspect of the phenomena, which I think 91 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:53.959 is every bit is real as the traumatic aspect. But 92 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.120 Italian with the paranormal and the spiritual is that's the 93 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:01.319 root of it. This is a battle I think between 94 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:06.839 fundamentally between good and evil, and you know that's that's 95 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.319 a more complicated question maybe than traditional metaphysics, but I 96 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:11.759 think that's kind of where we're at here. 97 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.920 Yeah, And that's very similar to the conversation I was 98 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:18.000 having with my guests last night. When it comes to 99 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:22.959 your personal experience with this mantis being. Was this more 100 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:28.519 of a I guess a non physical experience. Were you 101 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:31.519 taken like during the night in your sleep or how 102 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:32.240 did this occur? 103 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.120 It was both physical and mental. They were beings who 104 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.879 who were coming into my room, much like in the 105 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.560 abduction phenomena. I don't recall being abducted per se and 106 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.160 being taken board a ship or anything like that. Perhaps 107 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.920 those memories are there. I'm not a fan of hypnosis 108 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:54.560 unless you're a really trained hypnotherapist, so I haven't gone 109 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.240 that route. I did try to explore it with the MDR, 110 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:02.160 which is a technique for exploring TRUMP, and came up 111 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.360 against a bit of a brick wall with a colleague 112 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.079 of mine and wasn't really able to go any further. 113 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.319 So there may be elements I don't remember a lot 114 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:14.839 of What I do remember consciously are beings coming into 115 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:16.480 my room over a period of a number of weeks. 116 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:23.680 It wasn't one episode and a download. It's almost it 117 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.040 was kind of like microfiche, if you're familiar with that. 118 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:32.519 I had a vision of this information being inputed very quickly, 119 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:34.639 and I remember telling them to slow down. It was 120 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:37.959 going too fast, which is something that other abductees or 121 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.000 experiencers have mentioned. So there was some sort of information 122 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.000 that was being downloaded. I don't know what that is, 123 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.000 but I definitely had visions very typical of the manted 124 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:52.600 experiences of nuclear war, ecological disaster, things of that nature. 125 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.560 It was very terrifying. I was very young at that 126 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.920 age and had really no idea what was going on. 127 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:00.600 I had never been someone who was a child who's 128 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:04.279 afraid of the dark or anything like that or And 129 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:06.480 the interesting thing for me, one of the interesting things 130 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:12.800 is I've never really had any further experiences. Other adductees 131 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:18.000 and experiencers, as you know, have repeated episodes. That hasn't happened, 132 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.879 so I'm not I'm not sure why, but that was 133 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:25.680 an isolated period of time, but it was more than 134 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:26.279 one incident. 135 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.839 That's very interesting. Now, since we started talking about the 136 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:36.639 spiritual aspect of this, let's start with your paper about 137 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:41.639 Rudolph Steiner and his cosmology. For the audience that may 138 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:45.240 not be familiar with his work or who he is, 139 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.320 could you give just a brief overview of who he 140 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.919 was and what is the basis of his work and theories. 141 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:57.360 Well, he's a pretty complicated character, but to give a 142 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:01.320 quick synopsis, he was was born in late nineteenth century 143 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.919 died in nineteen twenty four. He was the founder of 144 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.600 the anthro pasophical movement, which grew out of the theosophical movement. 145 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.320 So he had been a follower of sorts of Leavatski 146 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:14.919 and that crew before he split off on his own. 147 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.120 He was a clairvoyant from a young age. He also 148 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.279 studied science. He claims to have been in touch with 149 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:25.960 Rosa Cruci and a free Masonic masters who guided him 150 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:31.320 into developing a scientific approach towards a super sensible So 151 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:38.799 he developed his own Anthi pasophical movement, which is connected 152 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:42.320 now to the Waldorf Schools, the camp Hill Schools of 153 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:50.440 biodynamic gardening, and some other pursuits. Projective geometry is another pursuit, 154 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.120 some of a different form of physics and geometry. He's 155 00:09:55.320 --> 00:10:00.720 a polymath. I think he was phenomenally intelligent, but he 156 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:07.759 saw his role, his spiritual mission, as primarily trying to 157 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:11.000 help mankind see what was going on in the world 158 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:17.759 in terms of the move towards materialism technology. He warned 159 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.879 against that to a great degree. You know, he wasn't 160 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.919 a lout eyed who wanted to destroy the machines. He 161 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.919 knew the technological development was inevitable, but he wanted to 162 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:33.240 put it in line with human evolution, something that could 163 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:39.039 serve man versus taking over. In his cosmology, he talks 164 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:43.360 about a number of different beings who he describes as 165 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:48.320 beings of hindrance, beings who were assigned a role in 166 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.480 human evolution, but who decided to overstep their bounds, and 167 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.679 thus they became the fallen angels of traditional metaphysics. Araman 168 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.360 a Lucifer are the two primary ones that have influenced 169 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:07.759 human history thus far, and arimon is He took the 170 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.480 term from a Zoastrianism horamasda is it's the good god. 171 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.720 Araman is the evil god. But he describes him as 172 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:21.279 coming from sub nature, as being a ruler of sorts 173 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:26.600 in the subatomic realm, and the bringer of technology, artificial intelligence, 174 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:35.559 computer intelligence into humanity. Also, he's involved with electlectricity, electronics. 175 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:37.840 That's kind of interesting if you see what's going on 176 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:38.399 in the world now. 177 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.360 Yes, definitely, that's what I was gonna say, if you 178 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.919 could give us like a synopsis on your paper, because 179 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:50.399 it links what's happening now with Steiner's cosmology and these 180 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:52.519 aromanic entities. 181 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.879 Basically, yeah, he describes eremon as having followers, so he 182 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:00.240 describes them broadly as aramonic beings. Again, he died in 183 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.639 nineteen twenty four, long before the UFO phenomena became really 184 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:06.360 well known, so he didn't break it down into types 185 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:10.440 of beings the way you know uphologists try now. But 186 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:18.200 Araman was is it basically attempting to create a split 187 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:21.919 off eighth sphere, which is in a cult concept, by 188 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:27.360 blinding man to his spiritual destiny and his spiritual nature, 189 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:32.480 reducing all our thought to materialistic scientific thought of what 190 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:35.799 we might call scientism now, and at the same time 191 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:40.559 creating a society controlled by technology. Keep in mind Steinder 192 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:43.480 died in nineteen twenty four. He was talking about machine 193 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:48.440 and human interfaces, you know, back over one hundred years ago. 194 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.039 He spoke about how if we use technology the right way, 195 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.000 we can develop machines that are controlled by human consciousness, 196 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.279 and each of us has our own separate vibration, and 197 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.240 we can then control them, the machines, and have them 198 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:09.279 work for us. He talked about a whole different form 199 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.440 of science that could develop from that. His fear was that, 200 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.679 you know, machines would, under his aramonic influence, become the 201 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:28.200 controllers of humanity. And he was an early person who 202 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:33.440 pointed out the the negative effects of electricity and electronics 203 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:39.039 on human health. He considered it to be basically anti life, 204 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.000 and that's simplifying things to some degree, but that's that's 205 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.919 sort of the nature of his of his take on Aramon. 206 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.600 The other aspect of Eremon is that he tries to 207 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:55.000 control the political economic spheres. There's a quote in my 208 00:13:55.039 --> 00:14:01.879 paper of about how Steinder mentioned, if aramonic forces to 209 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:06.399 take over, you know, the stock market, financial transactions would 210 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:12.080 become very very fast and very done with a lot 211 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.279 of acumen. And he kind of made fun of the 212 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.080 stock market back then as being, you know, very very 213 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.440 slow and very inefficient. He's just a very interesting quote 214 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.360 coming from the early twentieth century. And now we have 215 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:27.759 supercomputers trading trillions of dollars on the stock market. So 216 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:31.240 there's the component of electricity, electronics, and the sub atomic 217 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:37.120 world which links Tocern, which maybe we can get into, 218 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:42.759 but also the control of politics and economics. Ariman is 219 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:48.559 interested in control and power. He's interested in controlling human 220 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:53.960 beings and again blinding us to our spiritual nature, blocking 221 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.000 us from the influences of what Steinder called the good 222 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:02.360 gods and archangel Michael Christ. In some ways, Steiner has 223 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.879 a very traditional metaphysics in some ways, he has his 224 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.480 own take on that and he develops his own metaphysics 225 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:16.039 or cosmology, which is part traditional and part occult. So 226 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:17.759 I don't know that answers all your question. 227 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:20.320 That does, And I want to break down a couple 228 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.039 of things. The eighth sphere kind of reminds me of 229 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.960 this matrix or simulation theory that you know, we're kind 230 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:35.279 of trapped in this prison type planet situation. And then, uh, 231 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:40.519 the other part of the paper, it's it's very prophetic 232 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:45.840 about what's happening now, especially with the transhumanism movement and 233 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:50.759 everything moving towards this kind of like singularity that Curswell 234 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.600 writes about. And if you combine that with you know, 235 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:57.879 the AI and and everyone that wants to move towards 236 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.879 this transhuman era, you know, wanted to be able to 237 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.200 open their garage with a button in their hand or 238 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.759 whatever they think it's gonna be about. Uh, it's gonna 239 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.279 go a lot further and a lot deeper than that, 240 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.960 and could go pretty dark pretty quick. Uh, if it 241 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.840 turns out the way it seems like it's going to 242 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.600 turn out right now. I mean, so many things that 243 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.879 have been warned about from gentlemen like these in the 244 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:25.799 past are occurring right now, so it's something we definitely 245 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:26.840 have to pay attention to. 246 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:33.720 I would think, yeah, absolutely. The the transhumanism is is 247 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.360 obviously an aspect of the the technology run a buck 248 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.960 that Steiner was concerned about. He was concerned about machine 249 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:46.799 human uh hybrids or what we call cyborgs now that 250 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:54.840 would be controlled by by Araman aramonic beings. The the 251 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:58.159 the Quest for immortality, and the Quest for the Singularity 252 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:00.960 fit in very well with you know, Stein's vision of 253 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.680 what Arma is trying to create. This virtual world or matrix, 254 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:07.119 which is you know, the popular term for it because 255 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.720 of the movies, is exactly what pretty much exactly what 256 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.319 Steiner was describing. Aramon wanted to create through technology, and 257 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:17.599 now we have you know, we have these surveillance systems, 258 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:22.599 we have chemtrails. There's a lot of I think good 259 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:25.960 research that's been done linking all of those things together 260 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:31.240 into the development of a nanotechnology that creates this you know, 261 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:36.880 this spider web of singularity or interconnection that's for control, 262 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.799 is for surveillance as well as there's the genetic hybrid 263 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:45.279 element to this, where artificial human beings are created for 264 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:49.079 specific purposes, which is, you know, one of the nightmares 265 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:53.599 if that technology runs amuck. You know. I connect Steiner 266 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:56.960 in that paper also to Laura Burne, who's a contemporary 267 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.319 Irish mystic and a lot of her if you claims 268 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.039 to be in touch with archangel Michael and other gods, 269 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:08.039 other angels and being given insight into what's going on 270 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.279 in the world, and her modern writings aligned very much 271 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.200 with Steiner in terms of her fear of transhumanism, her 272 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.519 description of beings in the future that are soulless who 273 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:23.079 have been created for specific purposes to be soldiers or 274 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.559 to be workers. That kind of thing, this kind of 275 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:31.519 hive mind, this kind of spider like society that Stunder 276 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:34.599 described was what he was fearing human evolution could head 277 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:39.240 towards if we weren't aware of the aramonic influences and 278 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:43.559 trying to stop them. At the same time, I mean, 279 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:47.640 he also made it clear that this is a time 280 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:53.599 when positive spiritual forces are available to us if we 281 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:58.680 seek them, and they will also be trying to reach 282 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.160 out to us and trans form more consciousness in more 283 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:06.160 of an organic way. So I see the positive in 284 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.160 the negative aspects of the UFO experiencers and the abduction 285 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.359 phenomena in that light at least, it's one way to 286 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.480 look at it that you have these beings who steam benign, 287 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:21.279 you know, who heal, you know, who develop help experiencers 288 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:24.839 develop special abilities, and then you have you know, a 289 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:28.240 lot of the trauma that's connected to it, the medical experimentation, 290 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:36.279 the you know, the sexual activity in the creation of hybrids. 291 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:39.839 So that and it's it's very fascinating because there's a 292 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.200 lot of ambiguity there in my mind and I think 293 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.920 other people's minds about you know, what is really going 294 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.920 on here. Is this to serve mankind to help us 295 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.200 develop a higher consciousness? Or is this more in line 296 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.480 with what what Steiner feared would be created through our 297 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:57.720 amand and I think both are going on. I do 298 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.319 think this is kind of a battle between good and evil. 299 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:02.960 Yes, I agree with you. I think both is going on. 300 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:08.880 And I think that people researchers like yourself and researchers 301 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.480 that are into nuts and bolts side you know, strictly 302 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.119 nuts and bolts, uh, And and also researchers who were 303 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:19.839 you know, strictly spiritual, are strictly paranormal. Need to compare 304 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.559 notes and come together more. And I think that we 305 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.400 could get a lot further, maybe understand it a little 306 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.839 bit more. But you know, they had those those nuts 307 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.759 and bolts. Guys. A lot of them are are you know, 308 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.319 so hardcore with their theories that they just won't even 309 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.640 touch some of this stuff. And it's, you know, it's 310 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:42.720 it's kind of disappointing. But I think that we're getting 311 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:45.119 there to maybe some of them are taking a little 312 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.960 bit closer look. I've been encouraged by some researchers lately 313 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.960 who have actually kind of flipped flipped their mind over 314 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:53.480 a little bit. 315 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.680 You know. I think that's becoming increasingly clear that there's 316 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:00.960 a paranormal aspect of this, both from people who see 317 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:03.519 it as a as a positive phenomenon those who see 318 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.200 it more of an evil phenomena. It's interesting that j. 319 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:09.519 Allen Heineck was a reader of Steiner. Jacques Vallet in 320 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:15.279 his journals, mentions that he extensively read Steiner, He read 321 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:21.960 Seiner's books, annotated them extensively, talked about Steiner quite a bit. 322 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:26.319 So Heineck was was very interested in that angle from 323 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.359 from an early from an early age, he was interested 324 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.480 in Rosicrucian studies, and so is Jaques Ballet, by the way, 325 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.599 who did us a favor by writing Passport to Magonia, 326 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:39.160 and he was one of the first to really do 327 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:42.119 good research on the connection between the paranormal, fairy and 328 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.960 fairy faith, other dimensions, and UFO phenomena. So I think 329 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.480 we are we are definitely moving in that direction. 330 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:50.759 Yeah, it's very encouraging. 331 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:54.920 Yeah, I think there's room for there's definitely some technology 332 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:59.319 going on. Trevor Constable, who's probably the only euphologist who 333 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:02.680 really directly linked to Steiner, and also Wilhelm Reich who 334 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.920 he was a Reichean to the UFO phenomena. It talks 335 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:10.000 about how etheric technologies Etheric physics explains some of the 336 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:17.160 that's in both aspects of UFOs. The fact that they 337 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:22.400 can shut cars down and apparently perhaps cause blackouts doesn't 338 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:27.519 make sense in terms of modern contemporary physics because it 339 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:31.359 would require such a tremendous energy source that it just 340 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.839 seems impossible. But if you look at ethere in physics, 341 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.079 it makes perfect sense. And we're not gonna have time 342 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:39.079 to go into detail on that, but you know, I 343 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.200 recommend reading Trevor constable. He was I think one of 344 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:49.079 the first to really link the occult literature to the 345 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.920 UFO phenomena, particularly Steiner and Wilhelm write. 346 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:54.920 Now, before we get too far away from it, you 347 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.279 mentioned CERN earlier, I want to talk a little bit 348 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:02.000 about the connections that could possibly be going on there. Yeah, 349 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.319 there's spooky stuff that I've heard about CERN. A lot 350 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:08.799 of people have some interesting theories about what could possibly 351 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:12.240 be going on whenever Geordy Rose was involved with some 352 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:15.519 of the technology there that was interesting, some of the 353 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:20.799 ted talks he gave and and things like that. So, yeah, 354 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:22.880 what do you think is the connection there? 355 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.960 Well, if we're opening up other dimensions, you know, where 356 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:31.839 we're really I think there's possibly two things going on 357 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:35.319 that these scientists are very naive to what they're opening 358 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:39.680 up the world to, similar to some of the scientists 359 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:45.519 who are involved in the atomic atomic bomb. So that's 360 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:49.400 a possibility. Or there may be you know, occult elements 361 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.279 amongst physicists who are involved in this, And there's there's 362 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.880 been some speculation of occult rituals going on at certain 363 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:01.960 other places that are kind of black magic and are 364 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:06.119 kind of welcoming in entities from other dimensions, much like 365 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.279 Crowley and some of the more the left hand o couldness. 366 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:12.240 If you look at Jack Parsons, he was Crowleyite and 367 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:15.240 he clearly was into black magic. So there's a tradition 368 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:19.279 there of some of these scientists being involved with black magic. 369 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:22.799 So some of that certainly may be going on. I 370 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:25.880 think the danger is what Seinner talked about, is we 371 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:31.440 really don't understand electricity, magnetism, quantum world. We think we do, 372 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.759 but we really don't know what we're playing with. And 373 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:42.000 we're not just playing with quantitative figures and mechanistic theories. 374 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:47.279 You know, We're allowing spiritual entities, other beings into our 375 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.400 dimension who may not be benign. It's kind of like 376 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:53.640 a Stranger Things kind of thing. I mean, the Stranger 377 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.119 Things is if you believe in the revelation of the method, 378 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.400 that there's stuff out there in movies and media that 379 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:02.920 are kind of cluing us into what's really going on, 380 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.279 that that's part of the whole process. Certainly, West World 381 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:13.559 Stranger Things are too contemporary sci fi series that really 382 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:17.000 clue us into what is happening and what's being planned. 383 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.200 I think I. 384 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.599 Agree with you. I think there's that level of predictive programming. 385 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.759 But I think right now there's even a huge aspect 386 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:29.880 of like UFO culture creation going on to where we're 387 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.839 getting accustomed to the idea that these entities exists and 388 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.440 you know, oh, nuts and Bolt's UFOs. They may be 389 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.279 a threat from you know, so the government says in 390 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:44.440 the mainstream media. So I don't know, it's very interesting 391 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.759 what's going on right now with being pushed into the 392 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:53.319 public consciousness about UFOs from our mainstream media and government. 393 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:54.519 And I find it interesting. 394 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.960 Yeah, I think that's all being crafted by the CIA 395 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:03.440 and intelligence agencies pretty clearly. Yes, Bingo, I'm not. I 396 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.160 think it'd be pretty naive to think that this is 397 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.880 they're really revealing anything. I mean, they're revealing nothing that 398 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:13.480 wasn't revealed in the late nineteen forties. It's the same scenario, 399 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:15.720 we don't know what it is, doesn't seem to be 400 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:16.200 a threat. 401 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.079 To It's like a new kind of lame version of 402 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:19.960 Blue Book exactly. 403 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.599 It's it's nothing new, But they're counting on people having 404 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.079 a short memory. They're counting on the kind of this 405 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:28.400 adolescent enthusiasm that people have, Oh there's aliens out there, 406 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.000 and you know, it's just a way to pass time 407 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.400 and move on and pretend they've actually addressed the situation. 408 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:43.599 I mean, it's obvious there's that's that's nonsense. I mean 409 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.559 you just been talk about maybe they're trying to create 410 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:50.640 an alien invasion, false scenario of false flat kind of 411 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:53.839 thing that could be. They probably have a different couple 412 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:57.559 of different options that they're writing to play out. The 413 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.440 question really becomes, you know, why or the intelligence agencies 414 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.839 withholding this information? Are they really afraid that we're going 415 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:05.359 to fall apart if we know that there are other 416 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:09.119 beings involved. I actually think if it was just ets, 417 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:11.400 just physical ets, that would be pretty easy for people 418 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.279 to accept. If it's more of a spiritual phenomenon in 419 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:17.640 a battle between good and evil, it kind of makes 420 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.640 sense that they're not disclosing a lot of this, you know, 421 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:24.799 particularly if they're sort of on the wrong side of things. So, yeah, 422 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:31.160 I'm not an Alizondo and Melan. Melan to me, looks 423 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.720 like he's a hostage. Honestly, he looks like he's you know, 424 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:36.480 he's he's afraid something's going to happen to him if 425 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.599 he doesn't say the wrong the right thing. Maybe I'm 426 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:44.519 wrong there. I don't know. Alissando is an intelligence agent, yes, 427 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:46.480 so can you really trust what he's saying? 428 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.839 That's all, you know, he's an intelligence agent. 429 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.720 And the other option is that there, you know, this 430 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.160 stuff was compartmentalized, and that's possible. I mean, Dolan talks 431 00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.680 about that. Dolan kind of gives Elisondo a pass to 432 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.480 some degree and space. Well, maybe this guy just knows 433 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.640 what he knows and is not trying to fool anyone 434 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.640 and is not trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Frankly, 435 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.759 I'm skeptical because of his background, but you know, I 436 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:14.519 don't know the man, so I'm not, you know, going 437 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:19.799 to necessarily conclude, but right generally speaking, yeah, I mean 438 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.880 that generic kind of disclosure was you know, it was nothing, 439 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:24.880 it was meaningless. 440 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.839 Yeah, yeah, it was. It's going to be interesting what 441 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.839 comes next out of all this. But before we move 442 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.119 on to your next paper, I want to touch on 443 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:38.160 the possibility you mentioned genetic engineered humans and hybrid humans, 444 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:42.400 how it's all connected to this phenomenon and it could 445 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:46.400 be a malevolent thing that goes along with this new 446 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.440 transhuman movement. Do you think that there are already possibly 447 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.880 these hybrid engineered type of humans that are walking amongst us. 448 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.240 Oh, absolutely, I mean, and there's a lot of literature 449 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.559 on that. I just mentioned a couple of in that 450 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:05.599 small paper that I wrote. I just mentioned Ingo Swan's 451 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.759 experience being told by CI agent that a couple of 452 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.960 telepathic beings he ran into, you know, were dangerous, and 453 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.920 that they were alien. There's plenty of literature in that. 454 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:19.720 So there's some sort of hybrid program going on that's connected, 455 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.119 I think, to MK ultra and other mind control technologies 456 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:26.599 that are that have been developed for decades. So I 457 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.200 definitely think there's a malevolent aspect to that. It's hard 458 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.400 for me to understand how it couldn't be interpreted as 459 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:36.359 anything but malevolent, considering the torture that's involved in MK 460 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:41.480 ultra and related mind control technologies. So I definitely think 461 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:46.160 it's happening. Steiner, I didn't mention this in the paper 462 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.839 because I hadn't read this lecture from nineteen seventeen yet, 463 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:54.400 but it's becoming it's getting out there more. And he 464 00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:59.039 mentions that one possible destiny for mankind is that we 465 00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:00.880 would have to share this planet with what he called 466 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.839 ant beings, and they would be spider. They would have 467 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.599 this incredible intelligence and acumen, and they would create this 468 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.720 kind of spider spider like Uh, they had the spider 469 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.799 like intelligence. And he seems to be describing something like 470 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:20.480 the singularity of the Internet, but he calls them ant beings, 471 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:27.160 so he clearly was foreshadowing the potential for some sort 472 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.279 of hybridization, some combination of man and some sort of 473 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.759 alien being, which I don't think is ets. I think 474 00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:39.160 it's more of an elemental being. He described these beings 475 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.720 as part plant, part mineral, and part human, and humans 476 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.480 would be forced to share the planet with them. Now, 477 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.559 that to me is pretty scary if if that is, 478 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.359 if that comes it comes to being, And that's clearly 479 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.839 in line with the Hopkins and Jacob's and the more 480 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:07.160 alarmist elements of the abduction from the Abduction literature, right, 481 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:09.799 so that seems definitely seems to be out there again. 482 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:16.400 Lorna Burne writes a lot about her visions of human 483 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.039 future where transhumanism is taken over and we have these 484 00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:24.680 designer people that have been created by a ruler class. 485 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.039 So perhaps it's some sort of combination of that, but 486 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:34.400 I think there's definitely something to that. The interesting question 487 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.319 there is this seems to be going on for thousands 488 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.400 of years. Again, this is what Valets and other researches 489 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.160 have pointed out. If you look at the changeling phenomena, 490 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.559 the fairy faith, stealing babies and that kind of thing, 491 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:50.319 the shamanic traditions and implants are part of the shamanic 492 00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:53.559 tradition that's been around for thousands of years. So perhaps 493 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.799 this is a phenomena that's not new. This has been 494 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.400 a plan that's been developed over thousands of years. If 495 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.359 we're looking at genetic engineering of some kind then and 496 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.160 also terrorforming the earth in a way that's conducive to 497 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.039 these beings living here, that kind of makes sense that 498 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.680 this is a long term plan. Yeah, if that makes sense. 499 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:20.079 To you, it does. Yeah. I think that this is 500 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:25.680 definitely a spiritual situation that we're in, and we need 501 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.240 to researchers that aren't looking at it this way and 502 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.160 aren't looking at it even as a metaphysical type thing. 503 00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.720 I think it's mainly because at this point that evidence 504 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.839 is mounting so much. It's it's a piling over at 505 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.119 this point. If you're not really looking into that. It's 506 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.559 because you're probably afraid to. It's because you might have 507 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.359 some kind of dogma or you know, just this fear 508 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.960 of the unknown or paranormal, and I get it, you know, 509 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.680 I used to be there with it. I used to 510 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.880 be kind of scared of that side of it. But 511 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.680 we're not going to get anywhere if we don't look 512 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.839 into that side. So yeah, that's that's really awesome work 513 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.960 you've done there. And I want to jump into your 514 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.000 next paper, which is really cool because it delves into 515 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.880 so many aspects of you know, the links with quantum 516 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.039 physics and like karmak theory and all these things that 517 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.799 you wrote about schema theory, which I want to discuss 518 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.000 because I'm not really familiar with, but and the connection 519 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:25.519 with these etheric entities, and you even write about karma 520 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.799 and the nature of coincidence. So it's really cool. I'd 521 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:34.079 like you to give the audience a synopsis so that 522 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.559 they can better understand from you what this paper is about. 523 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.079 Yeah, that paper's work is more complicated, I mean getting 524 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.759 into Steiner His cosmology is complicated enough. But I try 525 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.119 to integrate in that paper, which is something that's still 526 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:56.799 in process, work in progress, some means of understanding the 527 00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:02.440 nature of human destiny and human evolution, and that took 528 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.480 me down a couple of different into a couple of 529 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:12.320 different areas, And one obviously is Karenbac theory, which is 530 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:16.320 part of many traditions, particularly Eastern traditions, the idea of reincarnation, 531 00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:21.679 the idea that we're we have multiple lives, that we're 532 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:26.599 here to learn certain lessons, the one dangerous thing and 533 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.079 artificial intelligence, and the whole Promethean idea of becoming immortal 534 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.440 is that it would stop karma, it would stop the 535 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.000 process of evolving. If we're the same person for thousands 536 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.000 of years, are we truly going to learn anything? Can 537 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.320 we make up? Can we make amends for perhaps past 538 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.280 mistakes that we've made. Can we really grow as spiritual beings? 539 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.719 I think the answer is no. So the essence of 540 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.360 that paper is trying to get at the nature of 541 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.800 human evolution, and the next step in that writing and 542 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.559 that research is to great more of the UFO phenomena, 543 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.639 the Steiner and the idea that our evolution could be 544 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.159 stopped and rerouted to a whole different destiny, kind of 545 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.199 along the lines of the singularity, the aid sphere, the 546 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:21.480 occult concept of the AID sphere and so forth. A schema, 547 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.559 schema theory, and therapy, I guess it is a bit 548 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:27.760 more prosaic than other things we're talking about. I mean, 549 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.519 I am a therapist, so that's primarily what I do. 550 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:35.360 And schema therapy gets into repetitive patterns in people's lives 551 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.920 that play out. They were called life traps, they were 552 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:44.000 later called schemas. These are repetitive patterns. For instance, someone 553 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.719 who was heavily criticized as a child often ends up 554 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.920 with a boss or in a relationship with someone who's 555 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:55.960 heavily critical of them, almost as if we're these things 556 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.559 are set up for us to learn lessons to stand 557 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.239 up for ourselves perhaps or if on the other side 558 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:06.800 of it, to develop to become kinder beings. I don't 559 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:10.280 know of anyone who's linked in psychologies links schema therapy 560 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.000 with karmac theory, but to me, it's an obvious link. 561 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.039 If you have these patterns that are powerful in people's lives, 562 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.360 there's no reason to believe that these patterns started just 563 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.639 in this life. There's plenty of there's and there's so 564 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:31.079 many strange coincidences why people run into each other, White 565 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:33.639 people connect that there seems to be to me a 566 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:37.719 plan here, perhaps a plan that we sign on from 567 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.880 sign on for from the other side that helps direct 568 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.760 our lives to some degree. And that's really what karma 569 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.360 is about. And schema is sort of a Western psychology 570 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.639 way I think of tapping into that pattern and understanding it, 571 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.960 breaking it down into different schemas, and helping people understand 572 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.360 and challenge these patterns. So there's there's a practical application 573 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.480 of it, but I think it ties into very much 574 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.519 to individual human evolution. 575 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.440 I want to kind of delve off into past lives 576 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.960 for a minute. Do you believe that, as far as 577 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:24.239 past lives go, we are reincarnating to learn certain lessons 578 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:30.559 and kind of upgrade ourselves spiritually and consciously, or are 579 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.280 we choosing to come back or both possibly? What do 580 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:35.079 you think about that? 581 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.440 I think those two were interconnected. I think we come 582 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.480 back to learn specific lessons, to make amends to certain people, 583 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:47.760 to meet certain people, to carry on work that we 584 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:54.280 started with certain people or relationships. So yeah, I think 585 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.960 there's plenty of evidence that we that. And this is 586 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.400 something that you know, near death experiences have tapped into 587 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:06.079 and other phenomena where people seem to have awareness of 588 00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.119 the life review and awareness of making a choice to 589 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:11.719 come back or not to come back. Now, I mentioned 590 00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:17.480 Sharon Rolette's wonderful book Instances, which doesn't get into karma 591 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.679 at all, which is interesting to me. That's probably the 592 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.000 only thing she doesn't talk about. But she looks at 593 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.840 synchronicities and coincidences from all sorts of different angles and 594 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.400 the idea that there are beings directing us. These aren't 595 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.519 random coincidences. Things are set up in our lives for 596 00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:35.760 a purpose so that we can meet certain people, learn 597 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.519 certain things, experience certain things. 598 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.280 Sorry about that. We had some technical difficulties, but we 599 00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:46.039 are back. Now we're discussing your second paper that you 600 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:49.119 had sent me. And in that paper you write about 601 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:56.960 physicist Percy Seymour and the plasma theory or quantum karma possibly. 602 00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.599 Now this is very interesting. Could you tell us a 603 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.400 little bit about Percy seymore in the plasma theory and 604 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.639 then you know your connections with this. 605 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:16.199 Yeah, Percy seemed more interesting. Physicists from speculated about a 606 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:23.280 scientific materialistic explanation for telepathy astrology, and he introduced this 607 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.480 idea of each of us having our own uh kind 608 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:38.880 of a plasma towards information. So he explains a variety 609 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:44.159 of phenomena, like the speculations about the ACACHEC records as 610 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:49.440 being due to the fact that you know, intelligence, intelligent 611 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.000 beings are plasmic beings. So we have this this original 612 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:58.000 plasmic form, which is pretty intriguing because it, you know, 613 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.719 helps explain a lot of different things. For instance, twin phenomena, uh, 614 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.679 the fact that twins often are telepathic or they have 615 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.159 the weird synchronicities and in their in their life uh 616 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.719 life histories. He explains as the fact that twins are 617 00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:22.599 connected through similar plasmic lines, and uh that that that 618 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:26.800 results in them being able to share information and having 619 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:30.119 a special you know, telepathic connection. Uh. The twin phenomena 620 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.679 is one of a number of different phenomena. I include 621 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:34.559 that in the paper because it's kind of interesting. It 622 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:43.719 gives a potentially a physical basis for karma. Now, steam 623 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.079 Moore doesn't mention karma, but he does mention the cash 624 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:49.159 records and cash records are basically a storing of all 625 00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.280 human experience, you know, that forms karma. So it's not 626 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:55.440 ruber Shell Drake's theories that I get into about morphic 627 00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.679 fields are are uh fit well together in terms of 628 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.440 developing a scientific model for how some of these things 629 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.960 may work. To my mind, at least, that's not the 630 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:10.960 most important part of the paper, you know, but it 631 00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:16.440 provides an interesting basis for karma and these connections between beings. 632 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.280 He speculates that have two different the two beings that 633 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.039 have connected to each other if two human beings have 634 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.440 experienced some things together. It's similar to the spooky phenomena 635 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.039 that curves in quantum theory, where two particles that interact 636 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.840 have a memory of that interaction and this is stored 637 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:40.480 in a plastic form. So it's a theory that backs 638 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:48.679 up the idea of or helps explain synchronicity, coincidences, shared experiences, karma, 639 00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:49.880 Castrick records things of that. 640 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:54.960 Nature and what you mentioned, Rupert Shelter and in morphic fields. 641 00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.679 Also for the audience that may not know, could you 642 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.320 explain what pysically morphic fields or. 643 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.480 Well, that's they're pretty complicated phenomena to recommend that you 644 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:11.199 reach Sheldrake himself, but he challenges a lot of the 645 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:15.639 traditional mechanistic theories of reproduction of how information is transmitted, 646 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:23.360 and he speculates that there's a field that contains that 647 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:26.679 we can tap into that animal group intelligence taps into 648 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:31.760 human beings can tap into that goes beyond biochemical or 649 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.079 bio mechanical explanations. Suddenly learn how to get over an 650 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.920 electric fence. When one sheep learned it one part of 651 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.639 the world, it seems like other sheep and other parts 652 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:44.519 of the world learned it. That's just one of many 653 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.079 phenomena that he's collected that seemed to indicate that there's 654 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.440 a group intelligence or a group mind that's connected by 655 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:56.239 what you call a morphic field. The form of the 656 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:59.639 human being cannot be explained and reproduction cannot be explained 657 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.760 completely through biomechanical means. According to Shell Drake, there has 658 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.239 to be some sort of template for that Meamorphic fields 659 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:07.960 for the more cult minded are kind of similar to 660 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:14.480 the etheric fields that are speculated about in theosophy, anthroposophy, 661 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:20.280 other culture divisions. There's a lot of similarity there. So 662 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.559 Italian Shelldrake and Seymour again to because it's interesting, you 663 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.559 have to tie them in, but also because it provides another, 664 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.320 you know, scientific explanation for a lot of these phenomena. 665 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.599 Do you think that the more we delve into this 666 00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:39.840 understanding of quantum physics, the more mainstream science is going 667 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:44.239 to come to an understanding about paranormal and consciousness and 668 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.239 the links of everything in the nature of reality. 669 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:51.079 Basically, absolutely yeah. I mean I think there's plenty of 670 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.039 people who have who are are more articulate on this 671 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.920 subject than I can be, like Fred Wolfe and Capra 672 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.719 and you know a number of other physicists who have 673 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:05.599 integrated the theories of the paranormal with quantum theory or 674 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.599 explain paranormal phenomena so called paranormal phenomena through quantum theory. 675 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:16.119 So absolutely yeah, And I think that's that's uh where 676 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.760 consciousness comes from. I mean, consciousness is primary, the material 677 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:23.920 world is secondary. And tying it back into Aramon, I 678 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.360 mean Araman is a it comes from the quantum realm. 679 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.320 He's he lives in that dimension, and he's trying to 680 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.800 kind of blind this to our spiritual nature and reduce everything, 681 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:41.239 you know, to to material explanation, to as Steiners has 682 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:45.719 kind of mineralized everything, reduce everything to to matter versus 683 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:47.000 you know, the spirit. 684 00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.280 Now, I find a very interesting part of your papers 685 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:56.320 when you write about the nature of coincidences. People just 686 00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.480 think coincidence has happen, and it goes much deeper than that. 687 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.360 I'd like to se get your theories and thoughts on 688 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:04.920 the nature of coincidences. 689 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.880 Well, again, I think there's some really articulate writers and spokesmen, 690 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.440 you know who described that phenomena which was first coined 691 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:19.360 by Jung. But I think synchronicities are so called synchronicities 692 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:27.079 and coincidences, you know, are point two guiding forces in 693 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.840 human life human destiny. I think we're meant to meet 694 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:35.000 certain people, Certain people are put into our world for 695 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:44.800 a specific reason. You know, events coalesce in a statistically 696 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:48.960 unlikely way so that we can experience certain things. I mean, 697 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.360 researchers know this. If you get deeply into a topic, 698 00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.880 books start to appear. People know, send you an email 699 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.679 about something that you were just thinking about or just 700 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.840 writing about. It's almost as if conscious this begins to 701 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.800 shape matter versus matter shaping consciousness. And I think that 702 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:08.119 there's plenty of evidence and against Sharon Rollette and her 703 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.719 book Coincidences gets into a lot of speculation about you know, 704 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.559 the role of ontology of other beings that are involved 705 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.880 in this that we have you know, guardian angels, we 706 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:23.039 have other beings that guide us. So not only do 707 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:26.679 we choose karmically to reincarnate a certain place in time 708 00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.480 with certain people, but certain experiences are set up for 709 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.639 us that seem random, that seemed to come out of nowhere. 710 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.480 And I mean there's a vast variety of those kinds 711 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.400 of things, seemingly random meetings, again, random pieces of information 712 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:46.199 that we're given, other coincidences that don't seem to be 713 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:52.559 explainable through mechanistic means or through any sort of statistical model. 714 00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:57.599 Yeah, and it seems that whatever this this force is 715 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.559 reacts to different types of either positive or negative energy, 716 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.039 or just things that you're doing in your life that 717 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.960 you might feel good about or gives you a certain feeling. 718 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:14.159 In turn, you know, something great will happen in your 719 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.559 life later on down the road. These things, you know, 720 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.840 happen all the time. I think they're linked to our 721 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.440 energy and the energy that we're putting out there. Would 722 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:24.559 you say that's pretty accurate? 723 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:30.039 I think so. And again that's or who's interested in 724 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:35.119 a certain topic starts to draw certain people information to him, 725 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.840 and right, I think that happens on an energy level. 726 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.000 If whatever. I think there's a validity to the idea 727 00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:42.559 that what we put out in universe is what we 728 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:46.760 get back. I don't think it's it's as simplistic, certainly 729 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.199 not as materialistic as the secret and some of the 730 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:56.679 sort of the no. I do think that there's there's 731 00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:00.159 truth in that. So some of this is some so 732 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.760 we can initiate with our own consciousness. I think some 733 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.679 of it is created for us. You know. One thing 734 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:12.440 that's talked talked about by debunkers is the idea of 735 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:17.800 cognitive bias that we, you know, we ignore certain like 736 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.199 we we think of a friend and they call, but 737 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.239 there are many times when we think of a friend 738 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.679 and they don't call. And what just stands out is, 739 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.840 you know, the times when they do. And there's some 740 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.800 truth to that. I think that there are coinstances that 741 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:36.840 are not meaningful. But sometimes the volume and the the 742 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.559 intensity of experiences cannot really be explained by cognitive bias. 743 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:44.239 So I introduced the idea of spiritual bias, that there 744 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:48.159 are other beings out there again, whether we call them 745 00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:52.599 guardian forces or forces that help direct us and and 746 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.280 uh and guide us, that creates situations for us that 747 00:48:56.360 --> 00:49:00.960 we that they know that will, that will identify with, 748 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:05.920 that will interpret in a meaningful way. So I think 749 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:12.760 that there's such anity that some of this is directed. 750 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.679 Perhaps it's directed by our higher selves too. It may 751 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.440 not be beings external to us. There's a whole idea 752 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:23.280 that we have a higher being that can be in 753 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:26.599 more places than once, that we have our incarnation here 754 00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:32.599 is Robert Falco or being as elsewhere, which is an 755 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.840 interesting concept. So I think that whole field is fascinating. 756 00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.880 I think synchronicity also, things like morphic fields are kind 757 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.760 of bridge concepts. They help explain phenomena that we really 758 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.800 don't understand, that are so complicated that the best we 759 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.480 can do is kind of slap a word on them 760 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:56.199 to explain what's going on. But the the algorithm to 761 00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.639 understand these things, I think would be incredible, be complex. 762 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.960 If that makes sense, Yes, it it makes perfect sense, 763 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.320 And yeah, I agree. I think it's something at this 764 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:11.800 point pretty beyond our basic understanding. But like you said, 765 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.559 you know, with this advent of quantum physics and computing, 766 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.679 we may becoming a little bit closer to understanding some 767 00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.679 of this stuff. Now, for the last few minutes that 768 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.519 we have I want to talk about what you wrote 769 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:28.400 about shamanic or etheric realities. I mean, I know that 770 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.480 there's this whole other world that exists just beyond the 771 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:37.079 spectrum of our vision that these entities may exist in, 772 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.760 and they may be whole other worlds and communities of 773 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:48.360 these entities that kind of exist in these realms. Based 774 00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.239 on you know, what you've learned and what you've studied, 775 00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:55.800 what do you think is going on with these etheric realities? 776 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.480 Ok. The Shamana traditions are thousands of you years old, 777 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.159 and I think that the true Shamans were able to 778 00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:08.679 map there what I call an exoecology, an external ecology 779 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:12.599 of beings, and to understand their agendas, their nature to 780 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.400 in some ways use them. It's for help and knowledge 781 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:24.280 in some ways combat beings that were involved in mischief 782 00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:29.400 or in disease. So I think humans if have had 783 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:31.599 a window into this for a long time, and I 784 00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:37.400 think that's it's part of the just the complex and 785 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:41.079 what I call an exoecology on Earth obviously, which is complex, 786 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:44.239 but we interact with many other dimensions. Uh and Ufho 787 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.840 phenomena is clearly part of that. The Shamanic traditions are 788 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:54.360 part of that. A lot of occult traditions, yeah, speak 789 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:59.119 of that and and have developed various models to to 790 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:03.079 explain it, to describe it. You know, I do think 791 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:05.679 that we tap into that. People can tap into that 792 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:10.280 through psychedelics, through through d M, t ayahuasca, things of 793 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.880 that nature. There's definitely a much more complex reality out there. 794 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.760 I mean, we see what five percent of the electromagnetic spectrum, 795 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.760 and that's just in our dimension. There are other dimensions 796 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:24.400 that that you know, we're were our senses are not 797 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:28.800 based on electromagnetics. So yeah, it's it's a vast universe 798 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.360 out there, and I do think the UFO phenomena is 799 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.000 a window into that, and we see all these these 800 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:41.239 different kinds of beings. Jack Jacques Valet and John Keel, 801 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:43.719 who I'm sure you're familiar with, you know, speculated that 802 00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.840 the elemental realm may be involved along with the very, 803 00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:50.079 the very folk and things of that nature. The elemental 804 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:54.199 realm is involved in this phenomena. And again bring it 805 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.239 back to steiner h some of his descriptions, his description 806 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:03.079 of of gnomes, which are higher intelligent, unemotional beings, his 807 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:06.559 physical description of them fits what a gray is right. 808 00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:12.159 It's which is fascinating, and he's he speaks about how 809 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:18.880 Araman has allied himself with elemental forces. And and one 810 00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:21.280 thing I speculate about in the paper is this hierarchy 811 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.519 of beings that you see in the UFO phenomena. You 812 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:27.880 have these director beings, the mantises, the taller grays, the humanoids, 813 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:32.079 and you have these robotic like grays typically or the 814 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.360 smaller beings who seem to be uh uh you know, 815 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:40.519 robotic or seemed to be yah of lower intelligence and 816 00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:46.239 task oriented, right, And that you know that I speculate 817 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.000 that the this is kind of what Keel was getting into. 818 00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.360 What he was starting to tap into, was uh, the 819 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.199 nature of elemental beings in this phenomena. I don't think 820 00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:58.679 they're the only beings, but I think that they're part 821 00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:00.880 of it. You know. It's kind of like the Orcs 822 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.559 in Token. It's yeah, you know, if you want to 823 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:05.400 draw that analogy. 824 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.719 Now, a lot of the information that we receive about 825 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:15.239 these beings in these realms is basically told to us 826 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:21.679 from contact ease and people who have experienced this and 827 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:27.960 people who have channeled these entities. As far as channeling goes, 828 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.679 do you think that there's possibility that, uh, some of 829 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.599 this information that people have channeled is a deception. It's 830 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:39.920 it's something to throw humanity off the wrong track, you know, 831 00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:41.920 go ahead, Yeah. 832 00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:46.480 I think I think so. I mean between it takes 833 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.239 a lot of distornment really too to be in the 834 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.960 parent the study of paranormal and UFOs for a lot 835 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.159 of different reasons. Part of it is as information that 836 00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.559 comes from human right such h Some of it is 837 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.800 sort of the noise that's created when any group of 838 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:05.679 human beings starts to study a phenomena and they start 839 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:11.360 to compete about ideas and the politics that developed there. 840 00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.000 So that that's kind of something you have to weigh through. 841 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:18.199 But I do think, more to the point of your question, 842 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.880 that you have to be very discerning in terms of 843 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:27.960 what is channeled. I do think that there are mischievous 844 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.360 beings or even the level of beings that work through 845 00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:39.719 mediums who present information that's typically partly truth and partly nonsense. 846 00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:43.840 I think some of this comes from the subconscious of mediums. 847 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:46.960 I'm skeptic, Like I'm skeptical of hypnosis unless it's done 848 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.480 by a real professional. I'm skeptical of any medium who 849 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.119 loses consciousness. I think that there are mediums and psychics 850 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:57.159 who are genuine and anyone that I know of maintains 851 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:01.440 consciousness and any sort of reading or investigation that they're doing. 852 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:06.199 Anytime you lose consciousness and your being is pushed aside, 853 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.239 you don't really know what's coming through. 854 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.360 Yeah, I would have to definitely agree that you definitely 855 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.920 have to be careful with some of this stuff. And 856 00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:21.480 there's a lot more people who have seemingly become interested 857 00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:25.920 into this, even celebrities talking to aliens. So it's very 858 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:30.199 interesting to see what's going on right now now. To 859 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.079 close out, do you think that with everything happening with 860 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:37.480 the mainstream UFO movement and disclosure and putting this into 861 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.960 people's psyche, you think the world is ready to find 862 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:46.840 out that there's not only life beyond our spectrum of vision, 863 00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:50.199 but it may not be these little green men coming 864 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.760 in ten cans to visit us. This is more of 865 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.719 a spiritual, metaphysical, paranormal thing that we really don't have 866 00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:59.760 a grasp of yet. Do you think the majority of 867 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.199 populations ready to hear that. 868 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:09.880 I don't know, but I think they need to understand it. 869 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:11.880 I think that there's a lot of people out there 870 00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.280 who do understand, and it's an increasing number of people 871 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:19.239 who are moving in the direction of understanding it from 872 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.199 that perspective, so I think we're probably more ready than 873 00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:26.719 people realize. I mean, the majority of people belong to 874 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:30.079 some sort of organized religion, and in those organized religion 875 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:35.480 there's a metaphysics that includes spiritual worlds, that includes muroca, 876 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:39.519 that includes all sorts of phenomena that are not materialistic, 877 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:45.280 not scientifically explainable, so it may challenge their belief systems, 878 00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:48.800 but fundamentally, I don't think I think most people would 879 00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:53.079 be ready. I think it's a scientists who are the 880 00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:56.599 least ready to really understand this phenomena, not people who 881 00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:59.360 believe in the spirit world or who believe in the 882 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.800 metaphysics of any of the major religions you know, particularly 883 00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:08.400 in my opinion, Buddhism, which is very open. It has 884 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.519 very open to other dimensions of reality in the spirit 885 00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:15.519 world and has mapped those worlds for hundreds of years. 886 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:22.480 So yeah, I would like to see us go in 887 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.719 that direction. Again. I think that there are more people 888 00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.079 who are open to this phenomenon, to this way of 889 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:32.760 viewing these phenomena than ever before, and perhaps more people 890 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.800 are incarnating, you know, who are have more of an 891 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.719 inclination to be open minded to these things. It's sort 892 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:43.880 of a counterweight to the scientism and materialism and the 893 00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:47.960 emphasis on technology that you know, Steiner warned about in 894 00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:53.000 terms of the aramonic deception and the cond the hollowness 895 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:58.599 of science. It's lack of willingness or ability to explain 896 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.360 the big questions, the questions of meeting you, why we're here, 897 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:07.320 you know, what is human destiny? So that's perhaps a 898 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:08.719 long winded you. 899 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:13.119 Know, that's that's perfect. Yeah, well, Robert, thank you. That 900 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.920 was fascinating. I really want to have you back on 901 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:20.480 so we can dig deeper into some of Steiner's cosmology 902 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:25.000 when it comes to these entities, these arimonic entities and what, 903 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.400 you know, what their interest in humanity is and how 904 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.760 they could be interacting with us today and throughout history. 905 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:33.559 And there's a lot we can get into with that. 906 00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:35.480 So I'd love to have you back on to discuss that. 907 00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:36.400 Sure. 908 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.519 Awesome, Well, Robert, thank you so much for Yeah, that 909 00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:42.920 would be great. Well, thank you again so much for 910 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.400 coming on. Well, like I said, we'll have you back 911 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:49.400 on sometime in the future, and until next time, everyone, 912 00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.400 have an excellent evening and we'll definitely see you again 913 00:59:52.480 --> 01:00:01.000 next week. Today, I want to welcome back to the 914 01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:06.079 show Lindsay Sharman. She is host of Rogueway's podcast, author 915 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:11.280 of several books, educator, and National Board certified teacher with 916 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:15.360 a master's in teaching. She is also a spiritualist and 917 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:20.880 experiencer of other realms via astral travel, dream walking, visions, 918 01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:26.400 and interaction with other dimensional entities. Lindsey, welcome back. How 919 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:27.159 you doing. 920 01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.360 Fantastic, Chris. Is awesome to be here with you in 921 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.320 your exceptional audience. 922 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:36.199 Having always awesome to have you here. This is gonna 923 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.440 be fun as usual. Today we're going to discuss past 924 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:42.960 lives and past life trauma. And up until a few 925 01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.599 years ago, I had no idea that our past lives 926 01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:50.000 could carry so much over and so much information and 927 01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:56.639 baggage into this incarnation. And apparently it can cause major mental, emotional, 928 01:00:56.719 --> 01:01:01.440 and even physical manifestations in this life. So there's so 929 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:03.880 much to this. There's a lot we could get into 930 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:07.079 before we do. For those out there that may not 931 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.880 be familiar with you, just tell us a little bit 932 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:12.920 about yourself, your content, and your spiritual work. 933 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.800 Yeah, I am Lindsay Sharman. I do the show Rogue Ways. 934 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.000 I'm a spiritual healer, spiritual teacher. And I came to 935 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:24.280 all of this begrudgingly. I would say, I've always been, 936 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.079 you know, into the spiritual and whatever, but as an 937 01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.039 actual sort of I guess, you know, business or occupation 938 01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:33.400 that was like very foreign to me, and but here 939 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:35.920 I am anyways doing it. And I'm so grateful because 940 01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.159 I get to receive actually so much from doing this, 941 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:41.039 and I get to watch people transform their lives and 942 01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:44.679 that's really great. I also write. I do channeled writings 943 01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.599 through entities I've been interacting with my whole life, which 944 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.199 I call the spiritual ancestors, or sometimes I refer to 945 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:56.199 them as the wogies. And those beings might seem to 946 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:59.800 other people as though they're extraterrestrial. They present often as 947 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:02.360 you know, lights in the sky and things that people 948 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:03.320 would call UFOs. 949 01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:04.280 So I have that. 950 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:09.360 Relationship, and uh what else, that's good enough, I guess 951 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.400 for now. I do a lot as you do too. 952 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:13.400 I know you're you can relate. 953 01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.360 Oh yeah, I A it's good stuff. That's some of 954 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:18.880 you do some amazing work. Before we get too deep 955 01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:23.360 into this, since you mentioned the wogies, maybe could you 956 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.360 elaborate a little bit on what you believe these beings 957 01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.400 are because later on I want to circle back to this. 958 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:36.159 Yeah, so these you know, I started experiencing these these 959 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.079 lights in the sky, and so I assumed, as I 960 01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:41.000 think most people would, that this was alien craft and 961 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:45.639 you know, UFOs extraterrestrials, and uh, it became obvious to 962 01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:48.719 me eventually that they were could communicate and that they 963 01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:51.800 could read my thoughts at they're telepathic whatever and whoever 964 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.840 and wherever they were from, and so I started trying 965 01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:57.159 to interact with them on that level. And I don't 966 01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:00.400 really consider myself psychic psychic, like it's not really clear 967 01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:03.039 to me you know, what someone's thinking or you know, 968 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:06.159 anything like that. But I do consider myself empathic and 969 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:10.320 as sort of psychic. I receive images, impressions and ideas, 970 01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:13.719 and so as I was sort of like sending them, 971 01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:17.599 you know, questions, I started to get like blinks in response. 972 01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:20.599 That was the easiest way to receive information because it's visual, 973 01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.519 it's like happening actually right in front of me. But 974 01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:26.920 years into this process. I then started receiving you know, 975 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:31.280 those sorts of impressions and understandings and messages more clearly, 976 01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:34.199 and really I had always been receiving that, but I think, 977 01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:36.760 like a lot of us, we pack up a lot 978 01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:39.760 of sort of like baggage and blockage between ourselves and 979 01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:42.599 that side of ourselves, our logical self and our sort 980 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:46.239 of right brained, maybe intuitive side of ourselves. So as 981 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.639 this relationship developed, I not only was growing my skills 982 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:53.280 and abilities, but I was coming to understand these beings more. 983 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:57.920 And to me, they're they're not physical. They we could 984 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:00.679 call them. I think interdimensional would be the best, the 985 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.199 best word for them. They're of consciousness might be another 986 01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.760 good way of understanding it, or spiritual beings some people 987 01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.119 might call them because of all of that. So I 988 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.719 understand them in all of those ways. And I have 989 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:20.039 then also experienced you know, intergalactic journeying with them, which 990 01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:22.119 I think we've talked about on a previous episode, but 991 01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:22.519 I'm not sure. 992 01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:27.760 Yeah, yeah, these beings are would you consider them separate 993 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:32.719 from what you understand is your spiritual ancestors or spirit guides. 994 01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:37.559 I do call them a spiritual ancestors, and they are 995 01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:38.519 a spirit guides. 996 01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:39.000 Okay, so. 997 01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:44.119 Yeah, but I don't I think that you could say 998 01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.880 that about like Jesus or archangel Michael as well. Right 999 01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:51.199 like that could be a guide for somebody, and so 1000 01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:53.280 I see them as both really. 1001 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:54.960 Right on, right on. 1002 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.679 Now to get into the past lives and past life 1003 01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:04.239 from how did you first become interested in start looking 1004 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:07.119 into past lives and have realizations about that? 1005 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.000 Yeah, it's really cool because I did not go looking 1006 01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:14.960 for it. I don't remember if I even believed in 1007 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.000 it or not. I don't think I had like an 1008 01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:20.880 understanding of past lives. I have somewhat of a Christian background, 1009 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:24.480 really loosely, and so if anything, I probably had the 1010 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.760 idea that we just live once and go to heaven 1011 01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:30.280 or Hell, right, if anything, if I had thought about 1012 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.760 it too deeply, and that didn't really ever seem right 1013 01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.039 to me. But I still don't think I had pondered 1014 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.679 past lives. But I had this, you know, And it 1015 01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:40.800 was during a dream. And people understand dreams in various ways. 1016 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.199 And I understand dreaming as just another layer of our consciousness, 1017 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:46.920 and that all of us go traveling ast really every night, 1018 01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:49.840 and some dreams are sort of more mundane, and some 1019 01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.880 are more profound, like actual experiences we're having on a 1020 01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:55.880 spiritual or a different layer of conscious sort of level. 1021 01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:58.519 So this was one of those for me. And I 1022 01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:01.079 always called these sort of my powers because I didn't. 1023 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.239 I just needed a way to differentiate them from like 1024 01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:05.400 the dreams we have where we're just going through what 1025 01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:08.000 happened in the day, or you know, our fears or 1026 01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:11.280 those types of things. So I had this power dream, 1027 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:13.400 you might want to call it. I had this experience 1028 01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:16.440 and it was really clear, as these dreams often are. 1029 01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:21.800 It's almost lucid in a way. And in this experience, 1030 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.480 I was watching cars go by a random road I 1031 01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:27.559 was just sitting on and all of a sudden, like 1032 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:33.920 a window of Cpia Tone opened and as the cars 1033 01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.840 would drive, they were like modern cars, but as they 1034 01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:41.400 hit the cpatone window, they'd become like horse drawn buggies, right, 1035 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:43.280 and like just I was like what, And then they'd 1036 01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:45.920 go through the other side and be a modern car again. 1037 01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:49.039 And so I understood this cepiatone window was like another time. 1038 01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.760 And then I moved into that cpatone window myself, so 1039 01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:55.719 I understood I was now in another time. And then 1040 01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:57.519 I sort of went into a building and then I 1041 01:06:57.559 --> 01:06:59.599 went into like a body, and I was in this body, 1042 01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:01.559 and I was looking in the mirror, and I understood 1043 01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:05.079 myself as Lindsay, having come to this time and into 1044 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:08.320 this body. But I also then instantly like sort of 1045 01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:12.360 almost lost that understanding of myself and understood myself as 1046 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.440 this person looking in the mirror, totally different person. This 1047 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.440 is like Western times. I'm, you know, brushing my hair 1048 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:22.480 or something. My name is like Elizabeth, like I just 1049 01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:26.519 have my whole history is like part of my consciousness, 1050 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:29.320 and I am this person and someone walks up behind me. 1051 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.239 Some small part of myself almost saw them in my 1052 01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:37.519 current life as Lindsay, as someone who's in my extended family. 1053 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:41.360 But I instantly then also saw them as my husband 1054 01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:44.119 in that life, and I knew and I was scared 1055 01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:46.920 for some reason. And I understood I was scared because 1056 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:51.639 I was wondering if my husband had learned about my lover. 1057 01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:54.440 And I don't even think I had actually like engaged 1058 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:56.639 sexually with this lover yet, but that we were like 1059 01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:59.159 flirting and we were connecting, and maybe I was thinking 1060 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.719 about leaving him. I knew I had cheated on some 1061 01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:04.239 level at least, and I was scared that he had 1062 01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:07.519 found out because he was a very violent man. And 1063 01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:10.400 it turns out as he came up to me, he 1064 01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:14.119 was sort of lovingly caressing my neck and then he 1065 01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:16.079 grabbed a knife and cut it, So yeah, he had 1066 01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:19.159 found out. And then I died, and I died horribly 1067 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.720 and painfully and suddenly, and someone unexpectedly, And it had 1068 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:27.279 started with this sort of light, loving touch of my neck, right, 1069 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:31.279 And then I left that realm and that understanding and 1070 01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:33.119 that time, and I came back to this and I 1071 01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.680 woke up and I was like, that was a crazy dream. 1072 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:39.039 That was an insane dream. But I started to wonder, 1073 01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:41.960 like what really was that? Because I was that person 1074 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.560 and I had all the memories and I understood everything 1075 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:46.720 about this life, and I understood who that person my 1076 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:48.760 husband was, and all these things that had happened in 1077 01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:53.119 our social you know, all of this stuff, and I 1078 01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:55.600 was like, maybe that was me, Like maybe that was 1079 01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:57.439 a life, and people have talked about past lives and 1080 01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.239 maybe we do have past lives, and maybe this is it. 1081 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:02.600 And then I started thinking more and I started understanding 1082 01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:06.079 I had come into this life with a hatred of 1083 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:09.039 anyone touching my neck, Like if anyone came near my neck, 1084 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:11.560 I would like freak out and like throw them away, 1085 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.439 you know, like try to like escape, almost like a 1086 01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.680 traumatic response like PTSD. 1087 01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:19.000 Yeah, like a trigger. 1088 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:22.000 I started thinking, like, well, that must be what this 1089 01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:24.199 is from, right, because there was no explanation. I'd never 1090 01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.039 been like choked in this life or had any sort 1091 01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:30.039 of neck trauma, as lindsay, but I clearly did as 1092 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:34.279 Elizabeth in the in the Western Times, right, And it 1093 01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:37.119 even you know, in my conception then, and I still 1094 01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:39.039 have some of this conception now, like even if you 1095 01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:41.439 don't want to think of that as a past life, 1096 01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:43.880 you know, maybe there was some other level of trauma 1097 01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:47.319 or ancestral trauma that kind of was being triggered and 1098 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:52.119 therefore then able to heal in this experience of myself 1099 01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:55.880 as this other person. I really believe and understand it 1100 01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:57.840 as my past life and that my soul has gone 1101 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.520 through all of these incarnations. But I accept that, you know, 1102 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.359 we have this collective memory, and we have ancestral memory, 1103 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:05.399 and we have these other sorts of ways that we 1104 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:08.000 might be able to understand this in a different way 1105 01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:08.680 if we want to. 1106 01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:09.720 And I don't think it. 1107 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:13.760 Matters too much, right, because in the end, the results 1108 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.920 is the same. And the result for me was that 1109 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.399 in experiencing that again and understanding that this is where 1110 01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:23.720 my own neck issues came from, I was able to 1111 01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:27.760 then release that and heal it. And now people can 1112 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:31.079 touch my neck like, you know, I don't have that anymore. 1113 01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:34.479 And whatever was stored in the physically, you know, has 1114 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:37.720 had been released. And I did forgiveness with that person 1115 01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.239 and that soul and that life, and with myself in 1116 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.560 that life and with myself in this life, and and 1117 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:45.479 just sort of allowed all of that to release. And 1118 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:48.279 I think that's what any trauma requires, is that we 1119 01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:50.960 see it, we understand it, we accept it, and we 1120 01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:53.520 just allow it to be what it is. And that 1121 01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:57.439 understanding and allowance allows it to finally leave us and 1122 01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:00.439 we can become healed and whole. 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I was just gonna 1153 01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:50.520 ask if you explored any further your own past life experiences, 1154 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:52.000 but apparently you did. 1155 01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:57.399 Yeah, Well, like everything for me, I didn't go seeking it, 1156 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.960 but it definitely came. And you know, one of the 1157 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:05.199 that one was pretty dark. And I think I've had 1158 01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:07.399 like eight or nine past lives come back to me 1159 01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:08.000 at this point. 1160 01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:09.239 It just keeps growing. 1161 01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.640 And did they always come in dreams? 1162 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:16.199 No, that one came in a dream, and maybe maybe 1163 01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:18.439 a few others have, but a lot more now have 1164 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:22.399 come in what you know, sort of like a trance 1165 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:24.319 or a spiritual state that I go into. You know, 1166 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:26.159 I'm a shamanic healer and I do a lot of 1167 01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.079 spiritual work, and so I spend a lot of time 1168 01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:32.439 in meditation and that sort of space, and a lot 1169 01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.960 of times when I'm just doing healing with myself, things like. 1170 01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:37.279 That will sort of come forward. 1171 01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:41.239 And one of the most profound and I think deep 1172 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.439 experiences I've recalled I had was I remember it being 1173 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:48.920 a person in I'm going to say, like the Middle Ages. 1174 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:54.279 I'm real bad with time, and I'm really bad also 1175 01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:57.720 with names. And it's so funny because I am in conscious, 1176 01:13:57.720 --> 01:13:59.840 waking life and always have been, and it turns out 1177 01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:02.119 that I'm also bad at those things in the spiritual realm, 1178 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:05.960 so you know, it doesn't change in that level. But 1179 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:08.119 you know, if I'm gonna say medieval times, the buildings 1180 01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.680 were all stone. I felt like we had like horses 1181 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.640 and armies that had like lances and swords, things that 1182 01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.279 I right now would call medieval. So I was in 1183 01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:19.079 this time, and I was a man in this life, 1184 01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:24.760 and I was actually really horrifyingly experiencing this life as 1185 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:29.039 a torturer. It was like my job to torture people. 1186 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:34.640 And if I weren't so immersed in being that person, 1187 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:37.800 I would have fled from that life and that memory instantly. 1188 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:42.039 If I were more of like lindsay consciousness, I would 1189 01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:44.239 not have even allowed myself to explain that because it's 1190 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:47.960 so repulsive to me and reprehensible to me. And in 1191 01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:51.560 this current life, as Lindsay, it's one of my main 1192 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:55.479 like moral questions is like how do people torture each other? 1193 01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:58.439 But like how do you get to this point? Where 1194 01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:02.359 you would ever do that to this most heinous, awful, 1195 01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:07.239 just psychopathic thing, right, Like I just can't even understand it. 1196 01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:09.520 And so if I would have had any of this 1197 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:11.399 level of consciousness, I would not have been able to 1198 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:15.079 even experience this life. But because in these memories and 1199 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.880 these recalls, I'm so fully immersed in that life as 1200 01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:23.560 that person identifying as this, I was able to experience 1201 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.359 it and live through it because in that life. 1202 01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:27.600 I didn't have a problem with it. I was like, Yeah, 1203 01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:29.439 this is my job, this is what I do. 1204 01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:31.319 And not only is it my job what I do, 1205 01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:34.239 I kind of like it and I'm like honored by 1206 01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:37.159 people for it. It's like, you know, not everyone's capable 1207 01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:39.760 of this. So I mean, I was like proud of 1208 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:42.800 myself and I felt like I was doing this duty 1209 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:44.800 to my I don't know if it was like a 1210 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.640 king or a you know, duke or I have no idea, 1211 01:15:47.720 --> 01:15:50.199 but whoever the leader of you know, my army or 1212 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:53.920 my military, my country was in that life, I felt 1213 01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:57.159 really happy for that, like I'm doing this duty and 1214 01:15:57.199 --> 01:16:00.640 we need this in society, and we're purging the filth 1215 01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:03.920 and we're getting information we need and all of this 1216 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:05.880 I felt like I was leading this noble role, and 1217 01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:09.119 so I experienced all of that, experienced harming people, I 1218 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:12.600 experienced enjoying it. I experienced, you know, feeling good about it. 1219 01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:16.840 And I also then experienced this really unexpected moment in 1220 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.760 that life where I was torturing someone and for some reason, 1221 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:22.279 I like made eye contact with them, and I just 1222 01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:28.039 understood like what I was doing to people beyond the 1223 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:30.680 physical right like on like a soul level. It was 1224 01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:34.920 like a spiritual experience, and it horrified me, and I 1225 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:37.920 like lost my nerve for this, and I suddenly, have 1226 01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:38.640 you ever seen that? 1227 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:38.840 Is? 1228 01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:40.560 I think it's a family guy or the guy's in 1229 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.079 prison and he like stabs himself and he's like, oh God, 1230 01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:45.319 is that what I've been doing to people this whole time? 1231 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.760 Like I belong in here. It was kind of like that. 1232 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.520 Moment where I was like, this is what I've been doing. 1233 01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:55.000 This is actually horrible, and something about me understood that 1234 01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:57.359 the harm like went beyond like I said, it was 1235 01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.960 like almost spiritual or like the emotional effect of it, 1236 01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:02.680 the mental effect of it, and I just had this 1237 01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:05.640 sort of like come to Jesus moment, and I all 1238 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:07.680 of a sudden, all of it hit me, like my 1239 01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:11.239 whole life and everything I'd done. And also some part 1240 01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:14.199 of this was the realization that perhaps the purpose for 1241 01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:16.520 which I thought I was doing this wasn't so noble, 1242 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:20.720 wasn't so pure, My leaders weren't so you know, honest 1243 01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:23.800 or something, the cause wasn't so great after all. There 1244 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:26.000 was something of that in it too, There was something 1245 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:28.560 of seeing like the humanity in the person who I 1246 01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:30.960 was hurting. All of it sort of hit at once, 1247 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.880 and I like lost myself and I became very scared 1248 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:36.800 that I was going to be found out as like 1249 01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:40.319 a traitor right if I didn't keep torturing. But I 1250 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:43.000 also like did not have the stomach anymore to keep torturing. 1251 01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:47.199 So I just went into this deep depression and rejection 1252 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:49.840 of myself and I was going to kill myself in 1253 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:52.760 that life. And it was so weird because at that 1254 01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:55.680 point I sort of left that consciousness of myself as 1255 01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:59.239 that person. I returned to my consciousness as Lindsay, and 1256 01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:03.600 I was there as Lindsay outside of this man who 1257 01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:06.279 I also was in that life, and I, as Lindsay 1258 01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:08.880 was like telling him, like, hey, it's okay, like we 1259 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:12.800 can actually forgive ourselves, like we can receive forgiveness, we 1260 01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:14.880 can heal this, we can release this, like you don't 1261 01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:17.520 have to kill yourself. And I know it's like overwhelming 1262 01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:20.319 right now, but it's gonna be okay. And I was 1263 01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:22.880 trying so hard to help him see you know that 1264 01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.399 actually anything can be forgiven. And that was actually kind 1265 01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:28.720 of hard for me to even do because again, as lindsay, 1266 01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:31.880 I was like, I hate you, which means I hate myself, 1267 01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:33.680 which means like what does this mean? 1268 01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:33.920 Right? 1269 01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:37.279 Like it's really really hard. I came back to this 1270 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.680 consciousness and came out of that really deep meditation, and 1271 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:44.960 I was like crying and upset, and because you know, 1272 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:47.600 I don't know if people can relate unless they've experienced it, 1273 01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:50.600 but when you experience it as yourself, it's like it's 1274 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:53.640 in you, just like if you did that in this life, right, 1275 01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:56.399 That's how it felt to me. So it was really 1276 01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.840 traumatic to even experience. And this has been how most 1277 01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.800 if my past life recalls have been really traumatic to 1278 01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:06.680 experience and really negative things that I'm either doing or 1279 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:09.720 that are being done to me, and that life, I 1280 01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.520 think the most out of all of them, was the 1281 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:16.520 most horrific and traumatizing. So I kind of was, you know, 1282 01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:19.359 re traumatized again. It takes twenty days, I think, to 1283 01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:23.960 really deal with just that this had even happened. And 1284 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.000 then I started asking myself, like, why why did I 1285 01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:29.760 go back to that, and why did I learn all 1286 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:32.000 this again, and why did I re experience it. It has 1287 01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:34.319 to serve a purpose in this current life, or else 1288 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:37.279 I wouldn't have done it. And I started thinking about 1289 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:38.960 how my whole life I had had this sort of 1290 01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:44.560 preoccupation with trying to understand like why people torture or 1291 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:47.800 kill one another in horrible ways and what that really is. 1292 01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:50.399 And there I had experienced it, and I did understand it. 1293 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:52.439 I understood how you could get to that point where 1294 01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:54.319 you felt like it was right or good. So I 1295 01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:57.039 still didn't understand I still didn't experience like the psychopathy 1296 01:19:57.079 --> 01:19:59.960 of it necessarily, like just doing it for the joe 1297 01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.239 of it, but I did understand that doing it for 1298 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:03.960 what you thought was a cause or a purpose, or 1299 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:06.359 that it was necessary or that the person deserved it. 1300 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:07.920 And I really did believe that. 1301 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:11.319 So I could actually understand that now, which in itself 1302 01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:14.039 is healing in a way because in a way. Now 1303 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:17.079 I have some level of compassion for people who are 1304 01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:20.640 doing that in this world to other people for similar reasons. 1305 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:23.399 I can understand how you make the mistakes in your 1306 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:25.960 mind and your heart to get to that point. I 1307 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:28.159 still can't relate to doing it, because I'm not in 1308 01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:31.239 that place anymore, but I can understand, having been in 1309 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.680 that place, how you could confuse yourself to that point 1310 01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:39.560 and get to that point. So that's kind of worthwhile 1311 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:42.920 in itself to understand this, you know, someone else's experience 1312 01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.319 that I couldn't previously understand. But another part is I 1313 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:49.760 remembered and this is hard for people to understand sometimes too, 1314 01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:52.039 but I had never really forgotten, but I had just 1315 01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:55.439 put it out of my mind almost completely, that I 1316 01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:58.560 had been tortured as a small child in this life, 1317 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:02.760 as lindsay, and uh, this is actually the root of 1318 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:09.079 my own PTSD uh CPTSD, to be precise. And I 1319 01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:11.399 had sort of, like I said, like not repressed it, 1320 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:14.119 but just put it out of mine. There was nothing 1321 01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:15.920 more to be done with it that I thought I 1322 01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:17.479 could do with it, and so I put it out 1323 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:19.640 of mind until I went through my own you know, 1324 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:21.720 healing of CPTSD and other things. 1325 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:23.760 It just there, It just stayed there. 1326 01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:28.119 But at this moment I remembered, and then that also 1327 01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:31.079 unleashed all of this healing because I was tortured by 1328 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.520 a dentist, which I have found since many people were 1329 01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:40.239 I don't know what that is. I guess dentists are sometimes. 1330 01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:43.159 Right here actually orthodontistically, yes, very much so. 1331 01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:47.479 Yeah, God, and it's awful because you're a child. 1332 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:49.960 Yeah, that's why I help. I have trouble going to 1333 01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:53.720 the dinnis. I'm terrified, but you know, something that happened. 1334 01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:57.520 Yeah, wow, I didn't know what happened to you, you know, 1335 01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:00.159 and it is I also can't I shouldn't say I 1336 01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:01.840 can't have a really hard time going. 1337 01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:05.880 Really goodness too, like really yeah, because you know. 1338 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.760 And it's interesting too because until I started healing from it, 1339 01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:10.720 I could go to the dentist super easily because I 1340 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:12.800 had put it out of mind and I was really 1341 01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:15.720 good at dissociating. And then once I started healing all 1342 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:17.359 of this, I was like, I can't go anymore because 1343 01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:19.720 now it's like back, it's in my consciousness and I 1344 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:22.720 like I can't deal with it. So it's really really 1345 01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:26.159 hard well, yeah, and you know mine at least and 1346 01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:28.439 probably yours too, Like it was really obvious that he 1347 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:31.760 enjoyed it, you know, and that he loved that I 1348 01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:34.880 couldn't do anything about it, and he loved prolonging it. 1349 01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:37.680 And it was awful. And you know, my parents and 1350 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:40.560 maybe yours too, like they didn't believe me because I 1351 01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:42.800 was so young. I just thought I didn't understand. 1352 01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:46.119 And also this was one of my parents kind of friends, 1353 01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:51.079 you know, they they were acquaintances. So yeah, yeah, situation. 1354 01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:56.399 They yeah, they choose their victims very intentionally. They're like, 1355 01:22:56.439 --> 01:22:58.920 here's a young one. And they're also like, yeah, their 1356 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.199 parents are my friends or what. There's a reason mine was. 1357 01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:03.199 My mom this was the only dentist that would let 1358 01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:04.000 her make payments. 1359 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:05.680 We were very poor. 1360 01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:07.720 And so we had to go to that dentist and 1361 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:12.520 he knew it. So yeah, So that all came back 1362 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.600 and I was like, well, man, I mean, like I 1363 01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:19.760 also then understand. I'm still in forgiveness of that dentist. 1364 01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:22.760 That's a hard thing to forgive. I have a little 1365 01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:25.800 bit more understanding compassion because of my own life as 1366 01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:28.000 a torture in a totally different way, for different reasons 1367 01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:31.439 but somewhat similar. But I also had this understanding because 1368 01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:34.600 I always ask myself, why why did this happen to me? 1369 01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:38.079 Like I get the logical reasons why, Like we just said, 1370 01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:39.880 I was poor, my mom had to go there all day, 1371 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.119 I was young enough, all those things, but like, why 1372 01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:44.479 as a soul did that happen to me? Why did 1373 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.960 that have to go through that in this life? And 1374 01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:50.279 this helped me understand like, oh, it's literally karma. I 1375 01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:53.640 had been the torturer and now I was the receiver 1376 01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.960 of the torture. And it's not like this punishment. It's 1377 01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.840 not like this hard and fast rule like you have 1378 01:23:59.880 --> 01:24:02.920 to experience every single thing you did, like in detailer, 1379 01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:05.760 but there is something of it that is like, yeah, 1380 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:08.239 your soul does want to experience both sides of it actually, 1381 01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.760 and we don't think that in the moment. In the moment, 1382 01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:15.439 it's hard to really, I guess, except that your soul 1383 01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:17.920 would even arrange that for yourself, or that it would 1384 01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:21.199 choose to experience such a thing as torture. But for me, 1385 01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:24.439 I started to understand that my soul did actually choose 1386 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:27.880 that and there was a reason for it, and that 1387 01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:30.479 it comes from something, it was caused by something, and 1388 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:34.560 in this grand cosmic sort of consciousness, higher level sort 1389 01:24:34.600 --> 01:24:35.039 of way. 1390 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:35.760 It made sense. 1391 01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:39.800 And in the craziest way, that did help me release 1392 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:42.800 a lot more of that trauma and really start to 1393 01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:46.239 deal with that more effectively. I can actually go to 1394 01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:48.479 the dentist. Now it's still very hard for me. I 1395 01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:50.960 have to work at it and really get myself through it, 1396 01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:53.800 but I can do it, and it is easier and 1397 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:58.640 easier as that heel. So there's another really extreme example 1398 01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:02.159 of a past life, you know, directly affecting this life, 1399 01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:07.399 causing experiences in this life, but also the recall of it, 1400 01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:09.680 allowing so much healing to take place. 1401 01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:13.000 Have you ever explored or is it possible do you 1402 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:18.720 think to understand exactly how many lives we've have experienced? 1403 01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:24.239 You know, there's this there's like which level of perception 1404 01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:25.920 are we are we going to look through? Right because 1405 01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:28.920 at the highest, highest, highest level, let's say, from whatever 1406 01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:32.039 we're going to call source or God, we've experienced every 1407 01:25:32.039 --> 01:25:35.000 single life that exists in all of the multiple universes 1408 01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:37.199 and timelines, and right like we are all of that 1409 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:42.239 r but as like this, as this life, as like lindsay, like, 1410 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:47.720 how many lives has this aspect of source this soul experienced. 1411 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:52.199 There's this conception that you you have one hundred and 1412 01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:56.720 eight lives and you could be anywhere in that timeline 1413 01:25:56.760 --> 01:26:00.640 of lives. None of it's happening linearly though, so on 1414 01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:03.199 another level of conception, we're experiencing all one hundred and 1415 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:05.920 eight at one time, which is also why we can 1416 01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:09.920 remember them. But you you know, some people might be 1417 01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:12.800 if you were looking at it more linearly on their 1418 01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:17.520 like twelfth life or you know, their five fiftieth life 1419 01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:19.680 or their ninety ninth life, or they're like one hundred 1420 01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:23.119 and six, like you're almost done, right. And I think 1421 01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:27.119 the people who are experiencing in linear consciousness closer to 1422 01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:29.640 that one hundred and eighth level are people who we 1423 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:31.720 look at and go, oh, that's an old soul, this 1424 01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:33.760 is a why soul, or this is a person who's 1425 01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.840 really tapped in or connected or really understands like who 1426 01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:39.239 and what we are. I think that's sort of true. 1427 01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:40.600 And the people who are at the other end, or 1428 01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:42.159 the people were like, oh my god, is that personal 1429 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:44.760 even conscious? Are they an NPC? Like what's happening over 1430 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:45.319 here now? 1431 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.079 Is there a specific spiritual teaching that says that there 1432 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:52.199 is one hundred and eight specific lifetimes? 1433 01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:56.720 Yeah, it's a it's like a Buddhist Vedic sort of hindus. 1434 01:26:56.880 --> 01:26:59.640 It's over in those sorts of areas that ye specific 1435 01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:03.520 number has come up. Yeah, but it's not like I 1436 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:07.800 don't know a lot of people who really get to 1437 01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.640 like materialists or like, yes, exactly one hundred and eight, 1438 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:15.600 and you know, I feel like it's much more nebulous 1439 01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:18.079 than this. So again, the way I understand is like, 1440 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:20.079 right now, I'm Lindsay, and I have this sort of 1441 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:22.840 string of lives that might be one hundred and eight lives, 1442 01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:28.079 and that specific stream is like representing an aspect of 1443 01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:32.720 the mass consciousness that is creating itself and healing itself 1444 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.920 and discovering every aspect of itself. But it is actually 1445 01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:42.000 still just one strand of this much larger consciousness too, right, 1446 01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:45.399 and we're all of sort of moving that way or 1447 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.359 a part of that as well. Is just again it's 1448 01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:49.920 like which level do we want to look at it 1449 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:53.800 from and what's actually helpful from which to look. 1450 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:58.199 At Do you think that we have to experience lifetimes 1451 01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:02.760 as lower life on like animals or insects and we 1452 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:06.000 have to build ourselves up to humans that. 1453 01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:08.520 Oh, I don't know if I believe that, but that 1454 01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:12.159 is part of that one hundred and eight okay system 1455 01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:14.960 of why is that? Like you went through mineral and 1456 01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:18.600 amba and insect and yeah, reptile and all of the 1457 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:21.439 different things, and human is sort of the end result 1458 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:25.560 of all of that, you know. And I would say, 1459 01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:27.840 at the very least, if that seems to be in 1460 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:30.840 our genetic code, and so we would have memory of 1461 01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.880 it anyway, somewhere, we'd have experience of it somewhere within us. 1462 01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:36.479 I don't know. 1463 01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:38.039 It's hard for me to conceive of that as like 1464 01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.720 a lifetime though. It feels more like you would, like, 1465 01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:44.319 I don't know, experience part of it, as like maybe 1466 01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:47.239 each one of those is one lifetime, like all the 1467 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:51.560 mineral consciousness is, like you experiences as one or something. 1468 01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:54.520 It's it's I haven't really looked too deeply into it 1469 01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:57.600 for myself, but that's sort of my feeling about it. 1470 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:04.479 Now. Going through the experience of reliving a past life 1471 01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:10.920 and experiencing your own death, this is a form of 1472 01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:16.640 energy release to where it will help trigger the healing 1473 01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:18.399 of some of those traumas, right. 1474 01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:23.640 Yeah, it definitely brings healing of current life traumas, and 1475 01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:28.399 just even the understanding or the information of it can 1476 01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:31.720 do that. And that's why I started my guides and 1477 01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:36.000 allies guided me too offer past life readings and past 1478 01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:40.880 life trauma healing work because I don't necessarily I can't 1479 01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:43.880 necessarily give people that same type of reliving and immersive 1480 01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:47.159 memory that I've had, although anyone's capable of experiencing that, 1481 01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:49.960 I can't like trigger it for someone, but I can 1482 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:53.319 give them the information and even the information. I see 1483 01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:56.359 people's lives transforming just from receiving that, like you had 1484 01:29:56.359 --> 01:29:58.039 this life and here's how it was for you, and 1485 01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:01.279 here's what happened for you. People receive that and they're like, oh, 1486 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:03.880 I mean, this makes more sense now, and I understand 1487 01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:06.479 this aspect about myself. And I've always wondered where that 1488 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:09.560 came from, and now I know. And that level of 1489 01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:13.359 healing is also really powerful. And so I think whether 1490 01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:16.239 it is triggered for people spontaneously like it has been 1491 01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:19.239 for me, whether you receive that information through like a 1492 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:22.640 reading like I offer people, or I've received past life 1493 01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:25.119 readings from other people too, that have been really helpful 1494 01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:28.119 for me, and just the understanding, just the information can 1495 01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:31.520 can help you receive that healing or release some things 1496 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.840 that you may have been holding on to, or unleash 1497 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:37.279 some things that you were maybe repressing about yourself. 1498 01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:38.760 Right, that can. 1499 01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:41.720 Happen too, and all those types of healings can be 1500 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:45.359 a part of this. I also think for me, at least, 1501 01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:48.239 you know, the spontaneous memories I've had, they've come at 1502 01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:51.439 pretty specific times, and when I look back, I can 1503 01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:53.399 see it's like they came at the moments where I 1504 01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:57.399 was ready to understand them and integrate them and release 1505 01:30:57.439 --> 01:30:59.399 what was ready to be released and do that level 1506 01:30:59.439 --> 01:31:02.399 of healing. So I know some people sometimes are like, well, 1507 01:31:02.439 --> 01:31:04.720 I want to do this and I want to experience this, 1508 01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:07.319 and I'm like, I don't know. I think you should 1509 01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:10.720 just trust your soul as a plan, because it's always 1510 01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:12.960 been really hard for me. It's not like what we 1511 01:31:13.079 --> 01:31:15.840 just talked about. Those two lives were easy to experience 1512 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:18.600 and then weren't easy to heal. You know, what was 1513 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:22.159 in this life, as lindsay, as a result of either. 1514 01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:24.720 So I'm not saying you want to avoid it either. 1515 01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:26.840 I'm just saying like everything happens for a reason. I 1516 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:30.319 think people should just trust themselves and trust their soul 1517 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:32.880 in that. And same with if you're called to do 1518 01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:36.119 like a reading with myself or other past life readers 1519 01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:39.439 or healers, you know, I think you trust that you 1520 01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:41.319 feel called to that for a reason too, and that 1521 01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:43.720 it is time for you to learn something else and 1522 01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:45.720 integrate something else and release something else. 1523 01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:53.039 Have you ever consciously gone in and attempted to extract 1524 01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:56.840 a past life memory for myself? 1525 01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:01.600 Yes, for yourself, No, I haven't. I work with myself 1526 01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:05.960 on a very just open ended way. Like my way 1527 01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:08.199 of working with myself is to go into that state 1528 01:32:08.279 --> 01:32:11.520 of you know, spiritual connection, deep meditation or whatever people 1529 01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:13.680 want to call it, and just say to my guys 1530 01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:16.640 and allies like all right, like what now, what do 1531 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:19.159 you want to do today? And I do that for 1532 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:22.319 a really specific reason. It's because the times in my 1533 01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:25.119 life where I've tried to push something or for something, 1534 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:27.600 it has not been as good, and the times where 1535 01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:30.880 it has just spontaneously sort of happened, it's been profound 1536 01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:32.199 over and over and over again. 1537 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:34.159 So I have this ultimate level of. 1538 01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:36.359 Trust in my guides and allies and in my own 1539 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:39.119 soul that you know, what needs to happen will happen, 1540 01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:41.640 and that I don't have to ever push it or 1541 01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:43.640 guide it. It will just occur when I give it 1542 01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:47.640 space and time. And that's actually the way I work 1543 01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:49.960 as well with people. And this is why some people 1544 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:51.680 will ask me, like, oh, can I come to you 1545 01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:54.359 for medium ship stuff? Can we contact you know, one 1546 01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:57.680 of my past on loved ones or whatnot? And I 1547 01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:01.159 always say maybe, right. I don't know, because I have 1548 01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:05.199 had people who have passed come through tarot readings and 1549 01:33:05.239 --> 01:33:08.600 past life readings and you know, guidance sessions that I 1550 01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:11.640 do with people and different healings, but I don't do 1551 01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:14.840 it on purpose, and that's confusing for some people because 1552 01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:16.680 there's so many people who do, and they're like, I 1553 01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:18.680 am a medium or I am a past life reader, 1554 01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:22.000 I am this and that, and I'm like, i'll do 1555 01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:24.520 this session with you. It'll be this long, and I 1556 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:27.760 know healing and blessings and stuff will happen, but I 1557 01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:29.880 don't know exactly what it's going to be. And sometimes 1558 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.720 we do see past lives for people, and sometimes we 1559 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:35.239 see people who have passed on, and sometimes there are 1560 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:38.039 spiritual guides and allies come through, and sometimes a massive 1561 01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:40.680 blessing will happen, and sometimes a physical healing will happen. 1562 01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:43.279 But the truth is is that I don't know what's 1563 01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:45.880 best for you, but your spiritual guides and allies do, 1564 01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:48.039 and my spiritual guides and allies do, And so if 1565 01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:50.880 we just open that space and go in like exactly, 1566 01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:53.880 the right thing will happen. Which is not to say 1567 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:55.880 I don't get specific. You know, when I do a 1568 01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:58.000 past life reading, it's a past life reading. We're going 1569 01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:00.840 to see your past life. But what will happen you know, 1570 01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:03.199 because of that or in connection with that, or what 1571 01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:05.760 blessing energy or messages will come through, or whether or 1572 01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:07.680 not a past on love one will come through along 1573 01:34:07.720 --> 01:34:10.720 with that. That's all kind of up to you and 1574 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:12.720 your soul and your spiritual guides and allies. 1575 01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:18.920 Have you experienced or helped anyone experience a level of 1576 01:34:19.359 --> 01:34:26.520 physical healing from a past life trauma. 1577 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:28.920 Physical healing form passive trauma. I know that physical healing 1578 01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:30.880 has occurred for people, but I'm trying to remember like 1579 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:33.720 a specific example that would be good. 1580 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:36.439 I remember I had a guest talk about that in 1581 01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:40.640 one of they were helping someone that in their past 1582 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:43.960 life they were I believe shot in the neck or shoulder, 1583 01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:47.319 and in this life they had extreme shoulder pain. And 1584 01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:50.760 when they did the regression and went through the whole 1585 01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:54.439 lifetime and death, they came back and the shoulder pain 1586 01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:55.920 was gone, which is pretty incredible. 1587 01:34:56.399 --> 01:34:57.039 Yeah. 1588 01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:59.399 Well, it's so interesting because I'm not remembering at the 1589 01:34:59.399 --> 01:35:02.840 moment any specific people I've worked with, which isn't to 1590 01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:03.720 say it didn't happen. 1591 01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:05.479 I just that's how my memory works. 1592 01:35:05.560 --> 01:35:08.800 But I am remembering one of my own another past 1593 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:12.720 life resulted in a physical healing for me my right shoulder. 1594 01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:16.239 Speaking of shoulders, it's actually like under the shoulder blade, 1595 01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:18.439 so whatever that is right, like in the scapular sort 1596 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:21.680 of area, like at the towards the spine and doubt anyway, 1597 01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:26.560 I have this really constricting mess of i'll say, like 1598 01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:30.359 fascia muscle and nerve that's just like all compacted or something. 1599 01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:34.119 And I have really severe back injuries and massive surgeries 1600 01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:35.760 and all sorts of stuff. So there's a you know, 1601 01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:38.600 good physical reason in this life. But I'm also like, why, 1602 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:41.399 right there is it always so tense? It's always so constricted? 1603 01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:43.520 There is nothing specific of any of my injuries that 1604 01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:47.079 would put something right there. Right, I had this another 1605 01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:50.800 past life memory came back, and I was an. 1606 01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:53.119 Awful, horrifyingly awful woman. 1607 01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:56.479 This is like sixties seventies of you know, nineteen sixties, 1608 01:35:56.520 --> 01:36:00.399 nineteen seventies, So this is linearly my last life that 1609 01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:05.600 I had before I came into this existence. Horrifying woman, 1610 01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:09.680 really beautiful, like very very beautiful, and like power hungry. 1611 01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:14.439 But I was a criminal too, and I had this 1612 01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:17.479 man who was like physically smaller than me and not 1613 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:20.000 as attractive as me, and not as powerful as me, 1614 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:23.600 and he was like my little slave like peon, like 1615 01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:26.680 I treated him like garbage and he would do whatever 1616 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:29.159 I wanted because I could make him do whatever I wanted, 1617 01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:33.600 and I loved that. I was such a selfish, horrifying person. 1618 01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:36.920 I'm disgusted by it. So that's who I was. And 1619 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.039 the part of the life that I went into and 1620 01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:44.680 re experienced was again my death, my murder. Actually I 1621 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:46.760 won't go into too much detail because it was super graphic, 1622 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:50.720 but he stabbed. He started off by literally stabbing me 1623 01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:53.920 in the back in that exact location. And it's funny 1624 01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:58.760 because that area can be an area where we hold 1625 01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:02.640 pain in regards to to like self loathing and treating 1626 01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:07.439 others with cruelty, So right exactly there, and that's where 1627 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:10.640 he stabbed me. So it's like energetically it would get 1628 01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:13.720 stuck there more easily, it would more easily manifest in 1629 01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.720 the next life because that's like the exact spot to 1630 01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:19.439 hold all those energies. But that wound, too, was such 1631 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:23.239 a staggering blow to my ego. I didn't even understand 1632 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:26.199 it for a few minutes of that experience. I was like, 1633 01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:30.640 what's even happening? Because I own him. He would never 1634 01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:33.760 just stab I mean, what's what's stabbing me? And it 1635 01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:36.119 took me a while to realize, like, oh, he's stabbing me, 1636 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:39.880 you know, and then worst things happened and then I died, 1637 01:37:40.039 --> 01:37:46.800 But you know, I in that life kind of understood like, wow, 1638 01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:49.239 I kind of deserved this. I mean like I just 1639 01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:52.199 treated him like the worst piece of garbage and used 1640 01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:55.000 him in every way possible, never gave him any respect 1641 01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:59.199 or love or anything, and just expected it for years 1642 01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:02.159 and years and years. So I kind of already started 1643 01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:04.920 settling into that before I even fully died in that life, 1644 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:07.720 and apparently came into this life with that pain, and 1645 01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:09.319 when I started thinking about it, I was like, the 1646 01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:11.239 times it would hurt most were the times where I 1647 01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:14.399 in this life have wanted to become like you know, 1648 01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:17.039 you do what I say and like kind of controlling 1649 01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:20.119 and like egotistical and selfish, and it would like flare 1650 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:22.039 up in tense and like tighten and. 1651 01:38:22.199 --> 01:38:23.800 Cause all this physical pain for me. 1652 01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:27.199 And I was like, that's so fascinating. So like in 1653 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:30.760 this life, when I'm nearing the energy that caused that 1654 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:33.479 in the past life to be done to me, that 1655 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:37.319 physical wound will like reappear to remind me. Basically, It's 1656 01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:38.920 almost like a gift in a way. I mean, I 1657 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:41.960 don't want to hurt, right, but part of me is like, well, 1658 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:44.399 thank you for reminding me, Like why I don't want 1659 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:46.079 to treat people like that ever again? 1660 01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:46.640 Right? 1661 01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:48.920 And this is also like, I mean, this is the 1662 01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:52.720 journey of our soul, like it is gathering information, gathering experience, 1663 01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:54.720 learning what it wants to do and doesn't want to 1664 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:58.000 do in order to accomplish its goals, and like that's 1665 01:38:58.039 --> 01:38:59.760 why we experience anything we experienced. 1666 01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:03.680 Really, are you ever the understanding that all of our 1667 01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:07.479 lifetimes are in a sense occurring at the same time, 1668 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:10.880 because time doesn't truly occur linearly. 1669 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:16.039 Yeah, And I think that's a beautiful way and reason 1670 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:18.319 why we can access all of these past lives and 1671 01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:20.760 all of this information is it is really truly happening 1672 01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:23.359 all right now. And you know, that's why it gets 1673 01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:26.920 hard sometimes are we seeing like the future actually or 1674 01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:30.159 the past? Because I've had some past life readings where 1675 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:33.720 it seems like the life is something you know, like 1676 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:38.119 Atlantis we might say, right, or like prehistory like distant 1677 01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:41.039 distant civilizations but on Earth. But then I can kind 1678 01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:42.880 of get confused and be like, well, is this the 1679 01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:46.680 far future then? I mean, I don't know, And are 1680 01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:48.840 we kind of just going in this loop? I mean 1681 01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:51.159 we go from Golden Age to Dark Age to Golden 1682 01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:53.520 Age to Dark Age to Golden Age to dark age, 1683 01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:56.520 Like it's not the same every time, but it's very 1684 01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:59.399 similar every time. So there's even some part of me 1685 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:02.199 that I can get kind of confused about time and 1686 01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:03.720 space and like where are we. 1687 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:04.520 And when are we? 1688 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:07.960 And you know, like I said, I'm already not good 1689 01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:10.600 with that stuff in this life. So it can get 1690 01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:13.600 sort of hard the more you have ego death, and 1691 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:17.760 you know, release of these linear conceptions of time and space, 1692 01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:19.439 it gets even weirder and weirder. 1693 01:40:20.079 --> 01:40:23.920 Do you think that we could experience lifetimes as non 1694 01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:27.840 human entities, such as what we would understand as extraterrestrial 1695 01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:29.239 or interdimensional beings. 1696 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:30.920 Yeah. 1697 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:33.840 I had one past life that came back for a guy. 1698 01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:36.359 This was before I was doing past life reading specifically, 1699 01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:39.520 but I was doing a guidance session with him and 1700 01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:42.399 this energy sort of returned and I understood that it 1701 01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:46.479 was him in another incarnation. And I didn't really even 1702 01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:49.520 have a conception of what this being was. I knew 1703 01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:52.479 it was physical. It seemed to me almost like a beast, 1704 01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:56.199 but it looked so weird. I just I was like, 1705 01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:58.600 I don't know exactly what this is or how to 1706 01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:01.880 describe it, but understand your consciousness in this life, and 1707 01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:04.119 I understand what you're experiencing in that life, and I 1708 01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:06.520 can explain that and I could share that with you, 1709 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:08.640 and that's the part that needs to come back anyway. 1710 01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:12.319 But it was super weird. The flora and fauna was 1711 01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:15.399 like different, the whole things were different. 1712 01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:17.880 Could you tell us a little bit about what that 1713 01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:20.399 experience was for that person? 1714 01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:28.079 Yeah, it was this deep like oneness with life, like 1715 01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:32.439 as emotion, as a movement. The consciousness was so vast, 1716 01:41:32.479 --> 01:41:35.560 But it's so interesting because it's a high level of consciousness. 1717 01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:36.359 But I feel like. 1718 01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:38.399 We would project onto it and judge it as a 1719 01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:42.279 low level of consciousness because it was that I keep thinking, 1720 01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:45.000 like beast like like it was just not It couldn't 1721 01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:47.520 have spoken with words or like written numbers down right, 1722 01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:50.680 It can't build like a tower for you, but it 1723 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:57.079 like understands everything perfectly. And so there was this powerful magic, 1724 01:41:57.159 --> 01:41:59.920 I want to say, of this being that it just had. 1725 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:02.800 It could just kind of change things and do things 1726 01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:06.600 and be anything and understand anything, and that was like 1727 01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:11.479 its purpose in its ecosystem. But there was something in 1728 01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:17.880 it too that was therefore, i'll say, like uncontrollable in 1729 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:22.600 like reactivity. So when other beings might like approach it, 1730 01:42:22.600 --> 01:42:25.600 it would just maybe sometimes like snap them and break 1731 01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:28.359 them apart. So like part of what was coming back 1732 01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:32.399 to this person was this understanding of the ability to 1733 01:42:32.479 --> 01:42:36.800 connect with that vast oneness energy, but also the warning 1734 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:39.960 to not get like lost in it, because you kind 1735 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.600 of lose what we talk about is like being civilized 1736 01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:46.640 or human. When you go too deep into that, it's 1737 01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:51.600 like a wildness. So it's really really crazy, and for 1738 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.640 whatever reason, that person understood perfectly. They're like, oh my god, 1739 01:42:54.640 --> 01:42:57.479 I get like in mind, wherever they were at, whatever 1740 01:42:57.520 --> 01:43:00.600 they were doing, whatever they you know, works experiencing and 1741 01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:01.600 healing for themselves. 1742 01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:03.039 It was perfect for them. 1743 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:06.039 And it's funny because I go into these things sometimes 1744 01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:07.920 and I'm like, am I supposed to like really say 1745 01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:08.960 this to this person right now? 1746 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:10.800 Because this seems ridiculous. 1747 01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:13.119 Like like what is this thing I'm looking at? 1748 01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:14.479 And like is this even real? 1749 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:17.399 And you know, but then it comes true in that person, 1750 01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:20.399 Like all the people I work with I'm so grateful 1751 01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:22.680 are are like, oh yeah, I get it. 1752 01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:23.319 It's perfect. 1753 01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:25.520 I'm like, well, good because I kind of don't. 1754 01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:26.920 I mean I do, but I don't. 1755 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:32.640 Now, could you possibly help the audience visualize how you 1756 01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:39.159 assist people with recovering past life memories. Do the memories 1757 01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:42.399 show up in your consciousness? In your mind? 1758 01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:44.520 Yeah? 1759 01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:47.319 And so this is what again. My spiritual guides and 1760 01:43:47.399 --> 01:43:50.119 allies kind of forced me into this. They were like, 1761 01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:53.039 you know, you're going to start doing past life tarot 1762 01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:54.920 readings and I was like I don't think that's a 1763 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:57.920 thing that people do. And I don't think it's a 1764 01:43:57.960 --> 01:43:59.720 thing that people do. I actually think I'm like the 1765 01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:02.920 only person in the world who does pass life tarot readings. Well, 1766 01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:04.359 I was like, you know, I don't know how to 1767 01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:06.319 do that. I don't think it's a thing, and they 1768 01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:08.720 just kept like pushing it and pushing it and pushing it, 1769 01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:10.680 and its Finally I was like, ah, God, I've learned 1770 01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:12.840 a long time ago that I just should do what 1771 01:44:12.920 --> 01:44:15.399 I'm told. Everything goes better for everyone that way. And 1772 01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:18.920 so I got some guinea pigs to let me try 1773 01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.840 it out on them, and you know, a layout just 1774 01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:24.720 kind of a formed in my mind, and I started 1775 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:29.199 doing this reading, and I didn't really like trust it 1776 01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:30.760 at first. I was like, I don't understand how a 1777 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.359 tarot card is going to show me someone's past life. 1778 01:44:33.399 --> 01:44:35.760 But I mean I understood since then, and I think 1779 01:44:35.800 --> 01:44:40.680 I understood this before then, truly, but that the card 1780 01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:43.319 is just like an access point. And really, anytime I'm 1781 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:46.039 doing a reading, a life path reading or an insight 1782 01:44:46.159 --> 01:44:48.840 vignette reading or these past life terra readings that I've 1783 01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:51.840 started been doing for a while now, but the card 1784 01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:53.880 is just an access point for the information to come 1785 01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:56.199 through the card, Like doesn't even really matter. I could 1786 01:44:56.199 --> 01:44:58.439 do the same thing without cards, but the cards are 1787 01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:00.279 very helpful for me. 1788 01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:00.760 Medium. 1789 01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:04.760 So what happens is I flip the first card over 1790 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:07.399 and I usually sit for it with it for you know, 1791 01:45:07.439 --> 01:45:12.359 a minute, and for whatever reason, that car just allows 1792 01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:14.960 me this portal through and I start seeing this life 1793 01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:18.239 and I start seeing it, I start sensing like when 1794 01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:21.399 or where and what type of person, and you know, 1795 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:24.119 the sort of background of the person and how they 1796 01:45:24.159 --> 01:45:26.439 looked and how they seem to me, and what their 1797 01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:29.279 goals and what their purposes were and why they were 1798 01:45:29.279 --> 01:45:32.439 the way they were, and all of this information comes through, 1799 01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:34.840 and we actually used three cards to just kind of 1800 01:45:34.840 --> 01:45:38.920 get a full complete picture of that life and what happened, 1801 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:43.560 specifically what happened that matters for this life currently, because 1802 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:47.600 not everything we lived through in every life matters right now, 1803 01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:49.840 but some of it does. And that's why it's coming 1804 01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:52.560 up in the reading. And you know, people will ask like, 1805 01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:55.199 why this life, Why does this life come up when 1806 01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:57.520 you did this reading for me? And the answer is 1807 01:45:57.520 --> 01:46:00.039 always like, that's the one that's the most helpful for you, 1808 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:03.399 right now to receive this information and this impression of 1809 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:07.159 yourself and that experience of yourself is going to unlock something, 1810 01:46:07.239 --> 01:46:09.560 it's going to unleash something, and it's going to heal something. 1811 01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:11.800 It's going to allow you to understand something that right 1812 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:15.680 now you needed more than any other life's lesson or karma. 1813 01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:18.319 And so we look into that, we see that, we 1814 01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:20.840 look into some of the challenges that are still going 1815 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:23.239 on in this current life because of that life, and 1816 01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:24.960 then we look into some of the gifts because we 1817 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:27.199 also always have good things that came from each of 1818 01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:30.159 those lives too, even when it doesn't always seem like 1819 01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:32.399 that immediately. So we look at some of the gifts 1820 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:35.560 karmically that have come. We look into the future, like 1821 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:38.560 what's coming next in this current life because of those 1822 01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:42.920 karma patterns, And usually that's a really good opportunity to 1823 01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:46.600 continue or finish the healing or the lessons from that life, 1824 01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:49.479 so you can kind of close that life and maybe 1825 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:52.279 move on to the next and then you know, we 1826 01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:56.560 get some final messages. So that is always really healing 1827 01:46:56.600 --> 01:47:00.760 for people, and the reading itself is awesome for any Again, 1828 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:02.640 like I said, I think people just know when they 1829 01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:04.960 feel called like, oh that sounds really interesting or I 1830 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:07.000 really want to do that. There's probably a past life 1831 01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:10.479 that's waiting to give you some messages. But I've also 1832 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:14.399 learned that because of how healing this can be and is, 1833 01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:18.960 that some people want or need like a longer extended 1834 01:47:19.119 --> 01:47:21.960 support through healing the trauma that comes up from this. 1835 01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:26.079 Some of the traumas that come up are so powerful 1836 01:47:26.119 --> 01:47:28.399 in this current life that it's going to take more 1837 01:47:28.439 --> 01:47:31.399 than just a quick interaction with it to really help 1838 01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:32.600 it unfold and release. 1839 01:47:32.720 --> 01:47:34.439 So I also offer a. 1840 01:47:34.159 --> 01:47:39.520 Past life Tarot healing journey in which we intentionally, you know, 1841 01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:42.960 uproot some of this old trauma and do past life 1842 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:46.479 readings and do guidance sessions and do practices, and it's 1843 01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:50.800 a longer extended support to help people heal. Sometimes we 1844 01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:54.279 get to do multiple lives in that journey, and sometimes 1845 01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:56.640 we just do one because it's big enough to do 1846 01:47:56.800 --> 01:47:58.359 to work on the whole time, you know, and it's 1847 01:47:58.399 --> 01:48:02.319 just different for everyone. That's been really beautiful too. I've 1848 01:48:02.319 --> 01:48:07.079 seen people really transform, you know, career, physical health, mental health, 1849 01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:11.199 emotional health, just in this it's usually about six months time, 1850 01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:14.479 and it's incredible. So all of that came from my 1851 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:17.239 guides and allies being like, hey, you should do past 1852 01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:18.239 life terror readings. 1853 01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:24.000 That's great. I'd love to get your insights into how 1854 01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:30.199 to effectively make contact with your guides make first contacts. 1855 01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:34.760 I get all the time folks asking me about how 1856 01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:38.880 personally I've made contact with my guides. Initially it was 1857 01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:43.359 through meditation. I oftentimes use plant medicines, and I don't 1858 01:48:43.439 --> 01:48:46.760 ever want to recommend anyone to use any other substances. 1859 01:48:47.119 --> 01:48:50.520 So I'd really love to hear about your experiences with 1860 01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:55.039 how you initially made contact with your guides, and maybe 1861 01:48:55.079 --> 01:49:00.560 any recommendations for folks that are looking to to find 1862 01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:03.319 there guys but have no idea on how to start 1863 01:49:03.359 --> 01:49:03.600 with that. 1864 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:08.359 Yeah, it's such a big question, and for me, I 1865 01:49:08.439 --> 01:49:10.439 really I the more I look back, the more I 1866 01:49:10.439 --> 01:49:12.439 see I like came into this life with like a 1867 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:16.199 full contact already happening, and it's just been unfolding. 1868 01:49:16.600 --> 01:49:16.800 You know. 1869 01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:20.840 Me accepting that and understanding that is really the main 1870 01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:23.359 blockage to that ever being a part of my life. 1871 01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:26.159 So that's been ongoing all the time. But if you 1872 01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:29.119 want to, like, if anybody out there, what I always 1873 01:49:29.239 --> 01:49:32.319 emphasize is that this is all coming through your heart. 1874 01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:35.880 It's not coming through your mind. It's not coming through logic, 1875 01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:38.840 it's not coming through your thoughts. It's coming through your heart. 1876 01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:41.319 And when you know that and you focus on that, 1877 01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:44.760 that's going to be the fastest track and the safest track. 1878 01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:45.359 You know. 1879 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:48.039 There's all these different like things you can do in 1880 01:49:48.079 --> 01:49:50.800 sigils and whatever, blah blah blah. You can do anything 1881 01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:53.720 you feel called to. I would just always focus on 1882 01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:57.319 the love aspect of it, because the universal source is love. 1883 01:49:57.640 --> 01:49:58.319 God is love. 1884 01:49:58.359 --> 01:50:00.279 Whatever you want to call all that. The spirit tual 1885 01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:03.720 ancestors are love. That highest level of consciousness is love, 1886 01:50:03.920 --> 01:50:06.920 and your heart is where you access love, feel love, right, 1887 01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:09.960 transmit love. So all the messages I get, all of 1888 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:12.640 the impressions, I get, all the images I get, all 1889 01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:16.119 of that is coming through my heart, not through my mind. 1890 01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:19.600 So when I go into a spiritual space, I also 1891 01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:23.239 then do it through love, you know. And so I 1892 01:50:23.279 --> 01:50:25.479 tell people sometimes when they're like I don't know like 1893 01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:27.319 how to get into that vibe or how to raise 1894 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:29.800 my vibration or how to like get like deeper into that, 1895 01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:32.800 I'm like, just lay down, close your eyes, hold your heart, 1896 01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:33.600 and just go. 1897 01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:35.680 Love love love love love, love, love, love, love. 1898 01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:37.840 Love love, like just sit there and say it and 1899 01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:40.800 feel it right, or maybe you imagine all the things 1900 01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:43.359 that remind you of love, like your dogs and your 1901 01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:45.680 cats and birds and the things that you love in 1902 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:49.119 life and nature and like all the good stuff babies laughing. 1903 01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:51.680 Like whatever it is that you're calling that forward, you're 1904 01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:54.439 going to start feeling that in your heart. That's going 1905 01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:57.319 to start putting you in that space. But what I also, 1906 01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:00.680 you know, kind of warn people about is that for 1907 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:05.199 a long time, you know, instead of connecting really clearly 1908 01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:08.560 with your own higher consciousness or your own spiritual guides 1909 01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:11.159 and allies, what you might do instead is like cry 1910 01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:14.720 a lot, because what you actually have to do first 1911 01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:18.359 sometimes is heal. And I always come back to this, 1912 01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:20.199 and you know, I have a lot of students and 1913 01:51:20.239 --> 01:51:23.000 a lot of different classes and healings and readings and 1914 01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:25.199 all these things I do, and I always come back to, like, 1915 01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:29.520 the reason we're healing emotionally, mentally, physically, or any of 1916 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:33.039 these levels is because that is the spiritual journey we've 1917 01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:35.680 talked about. Right, this shoulder pain I had is physical, 1918 01:51:35.720 --> 01:51:37.880 but what was the root of it? It was spiritual 1919 01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:41.039 it was emotional, it was energetic. So all of this 1920 01:51:41.159 --> 01:51:44.319 healing we're doing is actually clarifying all the levels of 1921 01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:46.760 our body and mind in order to just be what 1922 01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:50.199 we already are, which is this conduit for love, which 1923 01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:52.800 is the source of all things in the universe and 1924 01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:55.520 is the source of all of these messages, visions and more. 1925 01:51:55.840 --> 01:51:57.920 So I would say those those are the best ways 1926 01:51:57.960 --> 01:52:01.760 to sort of start that or get in connection. But 1927 01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:04.199 I also you know, if you do a guidance session 1928 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:06.479 with me, your guides and allies come through. And so 1929 01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:08.439 if you want to know who some of them are 1930 01:52:08.479 --> 01:52:11.279 and you want to receive messages in that way, that's 1931 01:52:11.279 --> 01:52:14.920 something that I do too. But you know, the other 1932 01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:17.079 last thing I'll add to this is that all of 1933 01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:21.520 us have many, many, many spiritual guides and allies. I 1934 01:52:21.560 --> 01:52:23.479 think a lot of people think they have like one 1935 01:52:24.039 --> 01:52:26.520 or something. It's like, now you I'm going to say, 1936 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:29.840 each of us has tens and tens of spiritual guides 1937 01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:33.079 and allies who are on our side, part of our team, 1938 01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:34.399 helping us out along the way. 1939 01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:39.680 And something else I've encountered since I've made contact with 1940 01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:44.119 my guides and started having my spiritual experiences is the 1941 01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:49.239 negative entities and spiritual attachments that I've had to deal 1942 01:52:49.279 --> 01:52:53.800 with myself. I've recently helped others deal with their own 1943 01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:59.319 spiritual attachments. And this is something that most people will 1944 01:52:59.600 --> 01:53:04.560 probably never realize they have unless they are seeking some 1945 01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:06.439 of these spiritual experiences. 1946 01:53:06.520 --> 01:53:09.439 Right, yeah, I do. 1947 01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:12.000 And I think that's another reason why it's so important 1948 01:53:12.039 --> 01:53:14.840 to be healing at any levels, because those things can 1949 01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:18.039 only access us through our wounds and through our lower 1950 01:53:18.439 --> 01:53:20.720 lower vibrations. You might think of it, right, which is 1951 01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:23.520 where which is our wounds, and is our traumas, and 1952 01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:27.000 is those things? So there's yet another reason to to 1953 01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:30.560 heal everything you can, whenever you can, like to be 1954 01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:33.560 the brightest you can be. Is because those types of 1955 01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:37.079 energies really love to feed off of us, and they 1956 01:53:37.159 --> 01:53:39.560 love to get their little hooks in wherever they can. 1957 01:53:39.640 --> 01:53:42.640 And it's also true that sometimes as you're healing, and 1958 01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:45.039 as you're opening your spiritual channels, and as you're connecting 1959 01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:46.680 more with your guides and allies, that some of these 1960 01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:48.880 things seem to like come out of the woodwork to 1961 01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:51.439 like specifically target and attack you. 1962 01:53:52.079 --> 01:53:52.199 Uh. 1963 01:53:52.439 --> 01:53:55.359 And you know the way to understand that is to say, like, well, 1964 01:53:55.399 --> 01:53:57.920 you were a food source for them and their friends 1965 01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:01.159 until you started healing, and they don't like that, and 1966 01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:03.720 they want that brightness you're creating, but they want it 1967 01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:06.760 as food for themselves instead of for you. So they're 1968 01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:08.840 going to try to like maybe pull you back off 1969 01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:12.439 track or get through your defenses. And I think the 1970 01:54:12.479 --> 01:54:14.359 beautiful thing about that is we don't have to fear 1971 01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:18.439 any of it because we know that that isn't love, right, 1972 01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:19.760 and we are love and. 1973 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:20.239 That's all we on. 1974 01:54:20.319 --> 01:54:22.439 That's another reason to come back to that heart space 1975 01:54:22.479 --> 01:54:25.560 and that energy because they can't get through that. 1976 01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:28.399 I've had experiences getting rid of some of these things 1977 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:32.840 just by busting out laughing very hard. They like absolutely 1978 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:36.640 hate higher vibrational energy laughter. Love. Yeah. 1979 01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:38.760 Well, you're just talking about this because I was just 1980 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.800 at Walmart the other day and there was this woman 1981 01:54:41.840 --> 01:54:44.840 who is demonically possessed. And you know, other people would 1982 01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:48.399 understand this as like someone who is really just mentally unwell, 1983 01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:52.000 it's the same difference to me, but I see the 1984 01:54:52.079 --> 01:54:56.239 possession instantly, and they usually see me instantly too, because 1985 01:54:56.279 --> 01:54:58.680 I'm like this blazing beacon of light and they're like, Ooh, 1986 01:54:58.720 --> 01:55:02.720 what's that shiny thing? All right, So we walk by 1987 01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:07.960 this woman's you know, woman form demon energy, and she 1988 01:55:08.119 --> 01:55:09.760 was like standing there right now. We had to like 1989 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:12.680 squeeze past her to get through, and she just like 1990 01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:15.479 instantly like glond onto me right behind me and was 1991 01:55:15.479 --> 01:55:17.159 like following me. And I don't know what she was 1992 01:55:17.159 --> 01:55:19.000 saying or doing because I don't care anymore because this 1993 01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:20.439 happens to me like all the time. 1994 01:55:22.039 --> 01:55:22.960 It's really I. 1995 01:55:22.880 --> 01:55:26.000 Have so many crazy stories of really mentally on all 1996 01:55:26.079 --> 01:55:30.039 people who demonic energies just come through and like attack. 1997 01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:32.600 In fact, the one not that long ago, literally from 1998 01:55:32.640 --> 01:55:35.520 across the street, it was like, Lindsey, You're gonna die. 1999 01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:39.520 I'm like, dude, whoa Okay, did you know who this 2000 01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:40.159 person was? 2001 01:55:41.399 --> 01:55:42.239 No? I was. 2002 01:55:42.319 --> 01:55:47.159 I was in where I have never been before. Yeah, wow, No, 2003 01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:47.479 I know. 2004 01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:49.800 People don't. People don't always believe me. I'm like, no, 2005 01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:52.880 I'm targeted. I'm not a targeted individual from the government. 2006 01:55:52.880 --> 01:55:56.880 I'm a targeting suitual from the spiritual realm. But that 2007 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:59.479 was a really crazy, wild experience. I have a I 2008 01:55:59.479 --> 01:56:03.239 have a video out about it that probably has Asheville 2009 01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:05.039 somewhere in the title of people want to go listen 2010 01:56:05.079 --> 01:56:09.319 to that extended story on Roagueways. But this woman at 2011 01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:12.239 Walmart was just like, you know, she targeted us. She 2012 01:56:12.359 --> 01:56:14.359 like globbed onto the back. I mean, she was like 2013 01:56:14.439 --> 01:56:17.279 trying to I mean, I feel it as her trying 2014 01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:19.119 to get through at the demon, trying to get through 2015 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:22.920 my spiritual protection. But again, this has happened to me 2016 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:26.159 so many times that I just have this unbreakable faith. 2017 01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:28.199 I didn't even turn around. I didn't look at her, 2018 01:56:28.239 --> 01:56:30.439 I didn't do anything. I didn't respond or acknowledge her 2019 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:34.520 even I just held that wall, that spiritual light I 2020 01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:36.680 call it, you know, calling in the golden light, and 2021 01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:41.159 that repelled her, but it also seemed to make her angry. 2022 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:43.600 The demon angry because it didn't get what it wanted, 2023 01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:45.199 and so I could tell it was going to then 2024 01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:48.520 go like attack other people, Whereas before it had been 2025 01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:51.239 kind of hanging out at the front, like being mindless 2026 01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:53.800 and just being a negative energy around, But now it 2027 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:55.880 was going to start directing it at people because I 2028 01:56:55.920 --> 01:56:59.720 had like properly deflected it. So then I understood that 2029 01:56:59.720 --> 01:57:02.640 I had to I have to, but I wanted to 2030 01:57:02.640 --> 01:57:06.800 make sure it didn't attack anyone else. So I was 2031 01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:09.399 calling in the golden light to sort of protect anyone 2032 01:57:09.439 --> 01:57:12.079 who it might interact with and just bring in you know, 2033 01:57:12.079 --> 01:57:15.359 the angelic or whatever spiritual guides and allies. And it 2034 01:57:15.439 --> 01:57:18.720 really is just that permission they need, like an invitation. 2035 01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:21.079 I mean, this is a public spot in a way, right, 2036 01:57:21.119 --> 01:57:22.920 We're all allowed to be there, but someone has to 2037 01:57:22.960 --> 01:57:25.960 invite them to come do their work there. So it's 2038 01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:28.760 really all I'm doing, and they do the work, not me. 2039 01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:31.439 And so I saw that just kind of come around 2040 01:57:31.520 --> 01:57:33.880 these people she was headed towards, and that like stopped 2041 01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:36.159 her again, and she started screaming because she couldn't get 2042 01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:39.039 through the light wall, and then you know, she's upset, 2043 01:57:39.119 --> 01:57:41.800 and eventually I realized, I just need to put this 2044 01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:43.760 around the whole store. She's just gonna hang out here 2045 01:57:43.800 --> 01:57:46.520 all day, like trying to attack people, And so I 2046 01:57:46.640 --> 01:57:48.399 called and asked if it could be put around the 2047 01:57:48.439 --> 01:57:51.479 whole store. And she started leaving, and she got to 2048 01:57:51.520 --> 01:57:54.039 the front door and there's you know, thirty people she 2049 01:57:54.079 --> 01:57:56.720 could possibly look back at. But she looks back at 2050 01:57:56.760 --> 01:58:00.680 me and it makes eye contact and like or whatever, 2051 01:58:00.720 --> 01:58:04.920 and wanders away. But you know, part of me could 2052 01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:06.760 feel like victimized by that, like. 2053 01:58:06.680 --> 01:58:08.520 Why me, why is this always happening. 2054 01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:10.039 But another part of me is like, I mean, I 2055 01:58:10.079 --> 01:58:12.479 really think that's like why I went to Walmart today 2056 01:58:12.560 --> 01:58:15.680 at this time is because Source and whoever was like, well, 2057 01:58:15.720 --> 01:58:17.239 you can go in and call in the light and 2058 01:58:17.279 --> 01:58:22.600 help everyone get through this demonic encounter. And I want 2059 01:58:22.640 --> 01:58:25.000 everyone to also take from that that I'm not special, 2060 01:58:25.199 --> 01:58:27.079 you know, I'm not like I don't have like a 2061 01:58:27.079 --> 01:58:30.880 special level of clearance from angelic energy or something. It's 2062 01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:33.479 like anyone can call on those energies and ask for 2063 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:35.640 them to come, and they will always come. They never 2064 01:58:35.760 --> 01:58:39.880 don't respond, And sometimes I think some people don't really 2065 01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:43.720 feel that necessarily right away, but it is happening. Sometimes 2066 01:58:43.760 --> 01:58:46.000 there's deeper layers of darkness they have to come through 2067 01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:48.720 to get to you, but they're always there. They're always coming. 2068 01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:51.760 So you know, if you ever find yourself in any 2069 01:58:51.800 --> 01:58:54.520 situation where the darkness seems to be around, you can 2070 01:58:54.520 --> 01:58:56.399 call on the light. And I think one of the 2071 01:58:56.399 --> 01:58:58.760 things too, is people don't believe like they believe they 2072 01:58:58.760 --> 01:59:01.000 have to be like in a relay or of a 2073 01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:04.920 specific belief or call on a specific entity. And I 2074 01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:07.800 don't think you do. I think you just call on whatever. Again, 2075 01:59:08.039 --> 01:59:10.640 what connects to your heart, like what do you love most? 2076 01:59:11.119 --> 01:59:11.279 Right? 2077 01:59:11.319 --> 01:59:13.640 Do you love Jesus? Call on Jesus? Do you love Ganesh? 2078 01:59:13.720 --> 01:59:17.279 Call on Ganesh. Whoever you want, whoever you believe is 2079 01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:20.439 of the light and truly loving, ask them to come 2080 01:59:20.479 --> 01:59:22.199 in or just do what I did, call in the 2081 01:59:22.279 --> 01:59:23.199 light itself. 2082 01:59:24.159 --> 01:59:27.239 Is this something that you also help folks with is 2083 01:59:27.600 --> 01:59:29.920 identifying and ridding spirits attachments? 2084 01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:33.119 Yes, that's one of my favorite things to do, is 2085 01:59:33.159 --> 01:59:37.000 helping people brighten themselves in their space and rid themselves 2086 01:59:37.039 --> 01:59:41.199 of those dark attachments and energies. And you know, it's 2087 01:59:41.239 --> 01:59:43.439 one of my It just tends to be the people 2088 01:59:43.439 --> 01:59:45.319 who I work with. Honestly, It's like I don't even 2089 01:59:45.359 --> 01:59:48.079 necessarily go seeking it or advertising it, but most of 2090 01:59:48.079 --> 01:59:50.520 the people who come to me do have some level 2091 01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:53.199 of that darkness to clear out, and honestly, I think 2092 01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:55.399 most of us do. It's not always as intense as 2093 01:59:55.439 --> 01:59:59.479 what I just described, but you know it's around. So 2094 02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:02.640 I think the more we heal ourselves and the more 2095 02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:05.039 we clear those things, the better off we and everyone 2096 02:00:05.079 --> 02:00:05.880 else around us. 2097 02:00:05.960 --> 02:00:11.199 Is awesome, Lindsay, this was fantastic as usual. If folks 2098 02:00:11.239 --> 02:00:14.680 want to find out more about you get some of 2099 02:00:14.720 --> 02:00:17.159 your services. How can they do so? 2100 02:00:18.720 --> 02:00:20.960 The best way would be to go to rogue ways 2101 02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:24.119 dot org. It's ways as in pathways, not as in 2102 02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:27.800 ocean waves. And rogueways dot org is the place you 2103 02:00:27.800 --> 02:00:29.960 can find the books that I've channeled through the links 2104 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:32.199 to rogue Ways if you want to listen or watch along, 2105 02:00:32.640 --> 02:00:35.640 and also the services. You can book any of them there. 2106 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:37.720 I also have classes that I teach that you can 2107 02:00:37.760 --> 02:00:40.760 take that are self paced on your own time, or 2108 02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:42.239 we can always do that one on one. 2109 02:00:42.319 --> 02:00:43.159 I teach people. 2110 02:00:43.199 --> 02:00:45.760 I love to teach people what I do or any 2111 02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:48.279 level of the things we've been talking about, and anyone 2112 02:00:48.279 --> 02:00:51.319 can develop those gifts and themselves too, So that's one 2113 02:00:51.359 --> 02:00:53.960 of the things I do. I do events every solstice 2114 02:00:53.960 --> 02:00:56.319 in Equinox. We just had one yesterday. Actually it was 2115 02:00:56.640 --> 02:00:59.560 one day of brightness and so you can get booked 2116 02:00:59.600 --> 02:01:01.439 for the next one if you want to come to that. 2117 02:01:01.479 --> 02:01:05.159 It's a really powerful uplifting healing. 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