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on our show before. We've talked about best Friends and

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they are They have a benefit that's coming up. It's

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going to be June twenty first, that's a Saturday evening

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in downtown Los Angeles. And basically what they did they

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talking about the charities called More Than a Cone. And

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of course we talk about the Cone of Shame all

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the time and what they thought would be really cool

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is how can we get this Cone of Shame to

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not be such a shameful piece of equipment if you will,

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or a portion of your pets attire to embarrass them.

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So what they did is they started to call in

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some of the major artists and they identify and invited

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thirty influential artists to sort of reimagine the Cone of

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Shame as an art piece. And these famous artists were

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given a cone or cones with which to use as

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their canvas and they have designed, have painted upon these cones,

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and their works of art are going to be displayed

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at this benefit. It's going to be an art auction.

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They're going to be auctioned off and the launch party

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and it's going to be here in La and it

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should be loads of fun. So if any of you

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are listening here, it is only one o'clock in the afternoon,

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no excuse if you're going to be available June twenty first,

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twenty fourteen. If you like more information, you can contact

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me directly at Dr Jeff Doctor Jeff at Petlife Radio

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dot com. You can also go on to more than

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a Cone dot com at m O R E.

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Speaker 3: T H.

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Speaker 2: A n A c on e all one word more

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than a cone dot com and get some information on

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this great, great charity. I think it's going to be

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just it'll be a lot of fun. So, you know,

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I just had an email from a client of mine

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who happens to be a back east and very nervous

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about a diagnosis instantly. She has two dogs and both

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have a form of cancer, and they're both older dogs,

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and she was a bit nervous about the treatment possibilities,

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the prognosis, et cetera, and was actually thinking of on

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one of them in particular, maybe it's time. She had

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been through a tough cancer treatment with a prior dog

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and thought that maybe at the time, you know, again,

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this is really when you have to evaluate many factors

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when it comes to cancer. And I would like to

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hear from any of you, good, bad, or ugly that

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had an experience, just any experience with cancer and treatment,

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whether it was a good experience a bad experience. Would

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you do it again? What do you know now that

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you wish you had known then, and why don't you.

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Speaker 3: Share it with us?

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Speaker 2: Because I, over the years have gotten a bit on

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the practical side, and I know for a fact, with

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one of my old cats, I probably took it too

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far that I probably should have stopped a little earlier.

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to me after we put the old guy to sleep

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and put him in that final, really nice resting place,

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and he said to me, Dad, we waited too long,

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And boy did that hit me like a brick wall.

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I think that we often hoping, always hopefully optimistic people.

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you go online, you read online. There is nothing that's

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going to replace the experience of treating a pet with

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cancer other than the actual experience. You can't learn it

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from online. You can't learn it from talking to other

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people have done it. You have to do it by yourself,

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having had been through it, and then make a decision.

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But I need to caution that there are many, many

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different types of cancer, and the one that a prior

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pet may have had almost like saying to a person

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who's lived through which are very few, by the way,

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or had a family member that had lost a battle

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to pancreatic cancer, a very very aggressive, hardly any treatment

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possibility cancer, Well, they hear the word cancer again and

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Immediately what comes to their mind is pancreatic. Having lived

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through that experience, they say, oh my god, never again.

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I'm not going to even I wouldn't put anybody through that.

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I wouldn't put my worst enemy through that. Contrast that

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to someone who might have a lymphoma like a Hotskin's lymphoma,

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something that has amazing treatment success or My own daughter

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went through a which called papillary thyroid carcinoma, which is

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a cancer of the thyroid plan and she had it

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when she was very young, twenty five. And again these

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are very curable. Anyone who's been through that might say, oh, no,

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of course you're not. Of course you can treat because

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look how great it is. So understand, First of all,

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the caution comes from not making a decision as to

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what or how we should treat a future case of

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a cancer diagnosis based on only on prior experience, unless

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the new case is exactly the same cancer as the

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original one. And if you had a bad experience, you're

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going to say no way. If you had a good experience,

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you're gonna go, oh no, absolutely, we got to, of

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course give it the shot. And this particular cancer and

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this old dog is what's called the mass cell tumor. Now,

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a couple of things to know about mass cell tumors.

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are basically three grades now.

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Speaker 3: It used to be more complicated.

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Speaker 2: Now they're breaking it down to three a grade one,

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two and three on a grade one and two if

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good margins are achieved. And what that means is when

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the surgery is done to excise the cancer, it is

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critical to get wide margins. They say about you know

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a number two and a half three centimeters and you

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want so you want to get fairly wide margins and

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that includes depth too, so at least an inch if

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you can do more, if the skin will allow it,

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get two inches and get as deep.

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Speaker 2: And traditionally, with a grade of a one or two

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and clean margins, you could cure that cancer.

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Speaker 3: That could be cured.

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Speaker 2: Case in point, my four year old well then four

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year old labrador now thirteen, had a grade two mass sell.

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We got good margins, and need I say more, it's

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been nine years and he is totally cancer free. Now,

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if you do the excellent surgery and you have clean

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margins and it comes back a grade three.

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Speaker 3: Then this is where the staging comes into play.

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Speaker 2: So we might need to stage this cancer, and then

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that means taking some samples of lymph nodes, spleen, liver

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to see if the cancer has already spread to these organs.

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Speaker 3: If not, then there are some options. Number one is

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do nothing and watch.

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Speaker 2: Number two would be to seek the advice of an

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oncologist and possibly go through some kind of treatment, which

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is what I would probably red commend with the grade

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along with the appointment. If the dog was not staged,

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the oncologists will probably advise staging and he or she

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will do that, or he'll send you back to your

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regular veterinarian for staging. But that is a decision you

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want to make with the help of some experts. But

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I would say for the vast majority of the mass

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cells that we have removed, they've been at worse the

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stage two I have had over the years have had.

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Speaker 3: Some stage threes.

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Speaker 2: We did want to play it more aggressively, though we

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had good margins. We certainly opted to stage, and the

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staging was clean, and we treated, we treated for a while,

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and this dog now is again it's been three years

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out and totally cancer free. So just I guess the

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take home lesson here is, I don't want you to

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think that cancer is always a death sentence. There are

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a number of cancers that could be treated, a number

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of cancers that we can be put into remission fairly

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substantially and for quite a while. And then there are

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certain cancers that we know the battle is going to

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be lost, and the question is how much, to what

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extent what do you want to do in the meantime

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to keep the pet comfortable, knowing that it's only going

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to be a temporary comfort and ultimately that tough decision

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will need to be made. So we're going to take

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a quick break. It is that time, boy goes fast

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and stay tuned. We're going to just finish up this

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Speaker 2: Com and welcome back to ask the Best with doctor

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, doctor Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Werber, and we have been talking about a very very

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difficult subject, that of cancer, and the cautions that I'm

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trying to present to you is to every cancer is different.

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There are many many different organs, different cancers, different types

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of cancers. Some of them are very treatable, just as

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with people. Some of them are not very treatable. And

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there's nothing wrong with the right advice, seeking the advice

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of your general practitioner, possibly seeking the advice of an oncologist,

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a veterinary oncologist that is a specialist who deals only

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with animal cancer and helping you make decisions. And sometimes

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I've had clients that are making decisions for what's best

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for their pet, and I've actually.

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Speaker 3: Had clients that were just not emotionally ready to say goodbye.

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Speaker 2: They know they're going to have to, they know it's

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a matter of time, maybe a short time, but they

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want to proceed with treatment because they need time to

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deal with that ultimate goodbye. And that's fine too, as

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long as we keep the pets comfortable. But I don't

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want you to be so fearful of the term cancer

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that you don't get the information that you need, and

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you potentially possibly hasten through a decision that you may

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regret later on. The worst thing in the world is

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to be at that party, be at that gathering, social

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gathering talking about your pets cancer.

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Speaker 3: That you put the pet to sleep.

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Speaker 2: You just were so afraid of the treatment and the

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term chemotherapy or radiation therapy, only to find out that

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this other person right there in the conversation with you

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how to pet with the xact same cancer that's still

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alive because they proceeded with therapy. So it's very important

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to get the facts. Facts differ. It's nothing wrong with

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getting more than one opinion. And I think, as the

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expression goes, knowledge is king. So you need to get

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as much knowledge as you can. Get the information and

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make some of the decisions that are appropriate for what's

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best for you, what's best for your pet, And don't

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listen to other people, especially non veterinarians or non experts,

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because they just may not have all the important facts to.

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Speaker 3: Help guide you.

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Speaker 2: And again I'm the first you know, as I said,

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I've done both. I've had dogs that I've treated and

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have done great. I've had animals that I have treated

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and probably shouldn't have or I treat it too long.

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I didn't look at the clues, and I think all

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of us are going to make that mistake.

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Speaker 3: It's okay to get some information, get second opinions.

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Speaker 2: I am sitting here at my desk here at my

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office in LA and I am looking at these two

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little I don't want to give them away because I

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want to hear some guesses. But they are one of

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the consummate ultimate springtime hazards. And I've already had in

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the last probably week and a half, two weeks, two

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or maybe even three dogs that have presented with this problem.

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And I'm going to give you a second or two

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to think about it. Notorious springtime, very common. I'll wait

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a minute before I'm going to give you your first hint.

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I want you to just write it down and see

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if yes, that's exactly what you were thinking. Here's some hints.

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the presenting complaint is a sore, often a drainage tract

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inside between the toes. If that doesn't give it away,

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you can also see a problem in the ear mouth

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and even under the tail. And for those of you

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that are scratching your head saying I have no clue,

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hoping those of you, more of you at least know

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what we're talking about. We're talking about the foxtail, and

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it is not a fox's tail, it actually is. It

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has the name because if you look at it, it

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kind of has that look it resembles a fox's tail.

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Speaker 3: A foxtail is what we call a plant on. It

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is a.

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a sharp point, and it sort of grows out from

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there into it feathers out. It's a sort of a

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hard and what's interesting. What's unique about the foxtail is

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that there are very small, almost microscopic cillia hairs that

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are pointing the opposite direction of the shape of the

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foxtail itself, which makes for a very interesting problem. The

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more the dog usually it's in dogs usually one of

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the most commonplaces is interdigitally between the toes. The more

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they try to lick and get rid of the foxtail,

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like push it away, it actually goes in farther. And

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I've had dogs that had to drain intract. We go

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in with a device called an alligator foresep. Now, some

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of my alligator forceps are six seven inches long. I

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mean that's quite a ways up. So if you have

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a medium sized dog and you're introducing the alligator foreset

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between the toes, and you follow up that tract, it's

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coming out somewhere near the elbow, just to put into perspective.

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And I've had instances where that little sucker, that little foxtail, okay,

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has migrated up a followed the drain ins tract and

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ended up I would end up finding it literally literally

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the length of my alligator foresteps, I mean six inches

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up the leg, which is amazing to me. There have

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been surgeries done on dogs with neurologic problems, back problems,

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and the surgeon goes in and interestingly can find a

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foxtail embedded within the spinal cord. How's that for a

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little monstrous plant matter that obviously isn't alive. But this

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thing only knows how to do one thing, and and

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that is migrate farther and farther in. They rarely turn

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around and go backwards by themselves back out of the

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hole through which it went in in the first place.

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two out. Actually out of a dog's ear. And it

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was interesting because the owner brought the dog in. The

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dog was shaking its head a lot, scratching at the

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ear and the ear. They took it to a groomer

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for cleaning, and the groomer noticed that the ears were

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pretty dirty. So the groomer went ahead and cleaned the ears.

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dog was continually shaking its head and scratching at the ear,

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and noticed like a discharge, a dark waxy discharge coming

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out of that ear. The other was great, by the way.

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why is this dog had ear problem? The ears were

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cleaned days ago, and now having the problem again. So

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it's a scope that goes down the ear, and the

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back of it, instead of just having a little view

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hole for me to look into, is actually a small

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like a three inch led screen. So as I'm introducing

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the device, the otoscope cone down into the ear, the

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owner is seeing what I'm seeing right by viewing the screen.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So sure enough, as I'm introducing this otoscope cone right

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down into the ear, and we're studying the ear canal,

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and I'm seeing a lot of the debris, and what

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do I suddenly see right back in front of me

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two foxtails, one of which was actually by now embedded in.

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Speaker 3: The ear drum.

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Speaker 2: So we had two foxtails, one locked into the ear

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drum called the timpanum. The other one sitting right next door,

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looks like it was just waiting to go next. And

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that's how foxtails sometimes can lodge into the brain, either

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by being swallowed to the back of the throat or

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by going through the ear. Now, what's so also fascinating

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about these guys is that I once had a dog

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come in who was not eating, no longer eating on

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a hunger strike, opened the mouth and inside the tonsillar crypts,

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that's the crypts where the tonsils are. I saw some foxtails,

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and Neess sized the dog and I went crazy. I'd say,

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in a half hour, must have pulled out forty foxtails

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from this dog's tonsillar cryps. You couldn't imagine a the

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horrendous odor, but be how uncomfortable this poor dog must

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have been having these foxtails invading a very sensitive part

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of the mouth, inside the tonsillar cryps that's where the

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tonsils are, and coming up from anesthesia.

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Speaker 3: This was a new dog.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this dog had to be on pain medication.

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This dog had to be on antibiotics. But this dog

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felt like a million bucks. And I can't imagine what

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the feeling must have been like to have all these foxtails,

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these sharp, little hint pointed plant on digging into this

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very sensitive tissue.

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Speaker 3: That had to be difficult. So anyway, foxtail watch.

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Speaker 2: What I recommend you do is when you have your

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dogs outside hiking, walking, anywhere where there's shrubs, there's brushed areas,

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you want to examine a few parts of the body.

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in between the toes, and then turn the feet upside

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down and look in between all the pads. You'll if

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you find a foxtail, you must remove it. Secondly, lift

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up the tail. Sometimes they like to make their invasion.

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They like to penetrate the tissue. They're a sensitive tissue

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right around the tail. Thirdly, lift up the ears and

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see if you can see any piece of the foxtail

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that is sort of sitting around the opening to the

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vertical canal. If so, of course you need to remove it.

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And lastly check the mouth. You can pull the jowls away,

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check inside. If you see a foxtail there, you'll see

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it and remove it. And just know that wherever you

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see one, the strong likelihood is there that there are

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more than just one. So keep looking, don't stop there,

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see if you can get them all anyway.

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Speaker 3: Cancer foxtails last Thursday. All.

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Speaker 2: We will be here June first, live Sunday morning, nine

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o'clock Pacific time noon Eastern Daylight Savings time here on

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Let's Talk Pets pet Life Radio with Doctor Jeff. Ask

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the Vets with Doctor Jeff, and we will have some

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fun and hopefully by then the offer still stands.

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Speaker 3: Even though I expect to hear from more of you.

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We are going to.

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Speaker 2: Have our products are Calm and pro sens products ready

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or give us a call. Until then, I'm doctor Jeff

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Werber signing off. Ask the Vets with Doctor Jeff.

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