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Speaker 1: Hello, my friends. Broadcasting from Studio a at Proven Winners,

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Color Choice Shrubs. It's The Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hirvella, me,

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Rick weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well,

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you know, I think annuals. Flowering annuals to me, aren't

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an investment like a tree. They're more of an opportunity.

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They're an event. Investment is traditionally defined as the commitment

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of resources to achieve later benefits, and the key word

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here is later. See with flowering annuals, we can fill

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gaps in our landscape, have instant impact, season long color.

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Many annuals are edibles. Of course, pollinators love them. It's

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a great way to teach kids, and shopping for them

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is an adventure in spring. Just ask Stacy and her month.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, it's one of my favorite things that I do

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all your life. You know, I think of annuals. It's

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interesting that you bring up the investment thing. I don't

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know exactly how to classify them, but they're akin to

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a party, you know, like going all out with decorations

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and food and yeah, sure, it's kind of like a

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condensed you know, short term payoff, but it's so worth it.

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You have to take advantage of the summer, well you can.

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And yeah, shopping for annuals I think is honestly one

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of the most fun things. It's even more fun if

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you can do it with someone like your mom or

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someone that you really love. But it's just it's a delight.

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I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it too, and I agree an event

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or an opportunity. And then if you think about it,

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you know, it used to be we had Decoration Day,

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and of course Mother's Day. We can thank Anna Jarvis

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and Woodrow Wilson years ago they designated the second Sunday

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in May to be Mother's Day. And then of course

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we had Decoration Day, which became Memorial Day, with which

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became the fourth Monday in the month of May. So

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you take those holidays and you throw into the mix

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that it's the last projected frost date for many people

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in the United States. Throw all those three together and wow,

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it becomes a flower festival.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a very condensed like four week flower festival, but yeah,

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what a great time it is.

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Speaker 1: It is a fantasic killing.

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Speaker 2: Me over here, it's so far away.

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Speaker 1: I go, well, you know, uh, from the perspective of

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the garden center industry. We used to years ago, when

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I first started out in the industry, we would sell

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annuals big time during the month of May and June.

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Now I'm finding it is an April to October thing.

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The party goes on for the entire spring, summer, and

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fall period, and that's what makes annuals so great. All right,

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the envelope please, twenty twenty five National Annual of the

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Year is super Tunia Mini Vista yellow petunia, What cheerful blooms.

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And I have to say they must have consulted with

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Stacy on this one, because Stacy, I know how much

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you love yellow in your landscape.

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Speaker 2: I do love yellow, and I think it is an

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interesting choice for the annual of the year because I

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think very few people when they think of petunias, yellow

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is probably not even remotely part of their mental image,

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part of the conversation. People don't really think of yellow petunias,

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sure at all. But I have actually grown I haven't

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grown this particular one, but I did grow the Supertunia,

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saffron finch petunia and beauty, yeah, just beautiful. And I

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think it's high time that people start thinking of petunia's

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is an opportunity for you. They're not like a Namby

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Pamby yellow, not that there's anything wrong with that. They're

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like a good, bold, beautiful yellow, and I love it

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they are.

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Speaker 1: They are sunshine, And of course I love the mini

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vista syria of supertunias. They bloom their heads off. They

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can handle the heat. Last year I took some many

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vistas that were in hanging baskets. Just overflowing the hanging baskets.

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I popped the hanging baskets off and plunged them into

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the ground. They were fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are one that you can grow in the ground.

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A lot of people get confused sort of about what

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the difference between supertunias and super bells are. One is

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a petunia, one is a Caliber CoA. Superbells is a

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Caliber CoA. But the Caliber Coas they don't recommend putting

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in the ground because they need such good drainage. They

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were made for containers, whereas a supertunias, Yeah, put them

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in the ground, make them into a flower filled ground

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cover and party it up.

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Speaker 1: The wonderful thing about many vista supertunias, or in this case,

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the plant of the year. The flowering annual plant to

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the year is the fact that they're self cleaning, really

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no maintenance.

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Speaker 2: So you don't have to worry.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those things that I think people

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who petunias back in the day are just like, oh,

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I'm not growing petunias. You have to deadhead them. It's smelly,

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it's sticky, it's horrible. I'm never growing petunias again. But

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you know, honestly, and I don't even say that because

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I work here, but proven winners really did change all

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of that with the supertunias. It's a whole new way

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to look at petunias. And if you have been holding

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back from growing petunias for those reasons, you have those

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you know, bad memories, It's high time that you rethink

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it and bring some petunias into your annual plantings.

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Speaker 1: It's flower power Supertunia Mini vista yellow petunias. The Kalladium

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of the Year envelope please heart to heart, Blushing Bride

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and Stacy for kalladiums. I love the fact that many

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koladiums now are both sun and shade. They're not just

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relegated to the shade. In this case, a strap leaf

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kualladium with elongated foliage. That and it's ruffled also, And

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so you see these bright pink leaves edged in a

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bright green border with patches of white. Can handle sun

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or shade, although if you're growing them in the south,

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probably better off in shade. But here in the Midwest

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or north, sun or shade. Just love kalladiums and the

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fact that they're so heat and humidity tolerance.

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Speaker 2: You know, Kaladiums are another great example of a plant

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that has come so far from where it was. Now.

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I know you're going to remember this, but do you

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remember back in the day when you ordered kalladiums, your

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choices were green, white, pink, or red. There was no variety,

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there was no series. You had no idea what you're getting,

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just the color. And now it's just what has happened

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in the kalladium breeding world, between Heart to Heart and

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everything else out there. It's truly extraordinary, and I think

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it just really makes people rethink again this plant. And

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they do take sun, especially if you live in a

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colder climate. But I think especially for gardeners who have

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a lot of shade and want to have fabulous containers,

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this is a choice that should not be overlooked. You

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can stop thinking about, you know, feeling bad that you

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don't get flowers. Just pile on these kalladiums. You'll have

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tons of color, tons of texture. They are absolutely beautiful. Now,

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I unfortunately am having a little pity party over here

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since we're talking about parties, because I have tried to

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grow heart to heart kalladiums and the deer had other intentions.

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So unfortunately these are not very dear resistant. I've never

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had any trouble with them eating petunias. I don't think

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they like that, you know, kind of stickiness either. But yeah,

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I unfortunately is they have actually climbed my front steps

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to get to the kalladiums. So just a little word

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of warning for those of you who also have to

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deal with deer. But if you don't, and you have

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shade and you're looking for something just fabulous and interesting,

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you can't really do much better than hard to heartkalladiums.

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Speaker 1: I agree. Coming up in segment four, we're going to

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talk to Noah dear Ohanian. He is the director of

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product management with Proven Winners. We're going to talk more

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about some of these fabulous varieties that are coming out

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this year. Exciting varieties and of course recipe of the

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year also for flowering annuals. This year it's Ireland, Champagne,

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Toast and Vista View. Now, Stacey, I love the recipe

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Ireland because to me, it looks like the flag of Ireland.

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You've got goldilocks, rocks, bidens, you have super bells, over

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easy Calibrica and then a favorite of many people luscious basket,

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tangiglow a Lantana. Now you put all those together, that

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recipe almost looks like the flag of Irons.

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Speaker 2: And it's a lot of color. Now for our listeners

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who maybe aren't familiar with it, proven winners every year

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puts out creates these different recipes of combinations of annuals. Now,

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for me personally, combining annuals is my favorite thing about

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growing annuals. But there's a lot of people who just

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want that ready made, fool proof opportunity, and for them,

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I think that you know the recipes, whether it's the

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recipes of the Year or just one of the many

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recipes on the website, it just makes a great starting

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point for designing your plants.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these recipes and combinations too, are not a recipe

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or a combination where someone's sitting at their desk thinking, oh,

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this would be cool. No, these are proven, tested and tried,

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and so you know these recipes are going to work

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for you. Now. In addition to the annuals of the year,

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there are many new introductions this year. We're going to

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talk to Noah about it. In segment four. There's a

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totally tempted Kufia, which I'm very excited about. Aero Magica

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purple heliotrope. This one's fantastic because a lot of people

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have heliotrope melt out on them in the heat of summer,

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but this one is a fabulous cultivar, and so I

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recommend that. And then Stacy, I loved Scavola before it

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was popular to love Scavola. And now we have star Diva.

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So as opposed to the hand or fan shaped flowers

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that were used to we now have star shaped flowers.

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So there are so many great new annuals coming down

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the line this year. I can't wait for frost free days.

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Speaker 2: I know me too. More color, a little less white,

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little more color would would not be a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: It's coming, folks. Hang on, we'll get there. Plants on

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Trial is next. Let's see how Stacey ties this all

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together here on the Gardening Simplified Show.

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Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome back

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to the Gardening Simplified Show. We're talking the Annual of

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the Year. We've been through the shrub of the Year,

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we've been through the Perennial of the year, and now

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it is time for the Annual of the Year. And

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like we've said in previous shows, the plants of the

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Year from the Proven Winner's brand are selected by industry experts.

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Were each of the partners that does perennials, shrubs and

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annuals does it in a slightly different way. The way

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that we do it for shrubs is we have some

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of the biggest growers in the US vote on that.

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Because of course, the important thing and what's really great

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about the Plants of the Year is that they're going

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to be easy to find. And you know, there's so

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many proven winners plants out there that a lot of

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times you'll fall in love with something and it can

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be hard to find. And so the great thing about

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the annuals and perennials and shrubs of the year is

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that everybody's on board. They've known about this for a

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couple of years. You're only hearing about it right now,

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but the industry has known about it for a while,

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so the supply is going to be there for you

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to actually use and incorporate in your garden. And it's

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also just I think, a nice guideline for trying new

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things every year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, you know, and probably a little

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easier with as than it is, let's say with perennials

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or shrubs. But that's why we see so many new

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introductions every year.

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Speaker 2: In annuals, right, And that's what we try to do

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is just to get people to focus on one thing

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it's hard for me to focus on one plant every

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week for plants on Trial because we do have so

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many great plants. So that's why I always try to

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tie it to whatever our theme of the episode, is,

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and you know, thinking about this week's as you already said, Rick,

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I love yellow and the garden, and I have found

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that yellow in the garden for me is not necessarily

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something that I personally select. It's just something that has happened.

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not all, but mostly native plants, and a great number

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of North American native flowering perennials and shrubs for that matter,

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you know, sort of a natural selection, I've ended up

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with quite a lot of yellow in my garden.

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Speaker 1: And I think when spring arrives, to celebrate, we should

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do a show where we're both wearing yellow. I'll go

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out and find something yellow when the landscape came all.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's a deal, okay, all right. So, and I

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do have a lot of yellow clothes too, because I

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love I love yellow that much. I'm wearing yellow earings

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right now. You just can't see him under the headphones.

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But the cool thing about yellow in the garden is

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I was thinking about it, is that yellow is truly

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a seasonless color. I think a lot of other colors

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in the garden you know, you think of them as

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just being very associated with a season, like you aren't

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really seeing like a lot of red flowers or red

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stuff outside of summer and fall, and pink is highly

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associated with, you know, summer, and purple is highly associated

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with that sort of at least in my garden, that

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late spring early summer transitional period when you've got your

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neepata and your selvia and all of that stuff flowering.

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you've got your daffodils and you're in your forsythia. Of course,

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you know summer, as we've just been through all sorts

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of stuff. In fall, I mean, of course, so much

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yellow in fall, whether you're talking about a ginko or

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you know what plants can.

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Speaker 1: My favorite yellow ginko.

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Speaker 2: It's a great choice. And then on top of all

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those yellow flowers, there's also tons of yellow foliage.

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Speaker 1: Yes, as a matter of fact, I know where you're

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going with this segment. You're going to talk about spyria, right, Spyria.

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Speaker 2: I am not going to talk about spyria today. We

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do have yellow leaved spyria, but I am talking about

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a plant that people aren't used to seeing with yellow foliage,

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the mystery thickens, and I won't keep you in suspense

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any longer. This week's plant on trial is sky do

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gold blueberry.

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Speaker 1: What a gorgeous plant.

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Speaker 2: It is a very unique plant. So if you live

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in West Michigan, of course, blueberries are no stranger to you.

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You see them all the time. You kind of can't

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not see them if you're driving anywhere around here. But

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the homegrowing blueberries are different. You know, they're smaller, they're

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more garden friendly, They're not like the big, you know,

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six feet tall plants that you'll see out in the

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actual blueberry farms. So skydew gold is a gold leaf

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ornamental blueberry. And through the show you're gonna hear me

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talk about it as an ornamental blueberry, and you might

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be thinking, like, well, what exactly does that mean? Does

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that mean it doesn't have fruit? And the fact is

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it does set fruit, it does flower, and it does

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have fruit, and that fruit is edible. But this is

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a blueberry that was selected specifically for its looks in

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the garden or landscape.

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Speaker 1: And I can see why. When we were in the

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trial garden, Adriana, you and myself, I saw it in

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the distance and Stacy, I was drawn towards it, like

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what is that? Right?

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Speaker 2: And I have had the same experience in our trial

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garden too, where you know, Adrian and I'll be walking

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around going to make videos and something will catch your

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eye and I'll be like, oh my gosh, what is that?

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And we'll go over there, and sure enough it's a sky.

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It's happened to us more than once in different spots

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in the garden because it is just such a showy plant.

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So this is a gold leaf blueberry, and the foliage

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starts out kind of green in the spring, with that

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kind of pinkish red flush that is common for blueberries.

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starts to you know, photosynthesize, it creates these bright golden

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pigments and those are going to stay present on the

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foliage basically from you know, mid to late spring, all

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the way until full when the plant then starts to

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turn red and yellow. And you know, the interesting thing

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to me about this plant, or one of the many things,

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is that it's a very vivid and very eye catching

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gold yellow. But it's not unnatural looking, you know, and

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I think so you know, I think sometimes people want

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a really colorful landscape, and there's a lot of plants

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out there with colors that were maybe not really used

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to seeing in nature where we live or whatever. And

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this has all of that pizazz and eye catching, you know,

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dazzling kind of look, but not in a way that's

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like garish or gaudy, like it's getting all your attention.

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It's really bright, it's very interesting and pretty in the landscape,

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but it doesn't feel out of place, like it doesn't

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feel like you're trying to like scream, it's just like

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you're trying to, you know, give a sassy winking something

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like that. So, like I said, we call it an

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ornamental blueberry because it was selected again for these ornamental characteristics,

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not edible characteristics. And when you're going for a blueberry

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that you want to produce fruit, you're saying, like, hey,

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does this produce earlier late? Are the are the fruits large,

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are they smaller? They juicy? Or are they tasty? You're looking

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for the qualities of edibility. Now, this does produce fruit,

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and the fruits are perfectly delicious, but that was not

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our primary selection criteria. That's what makes it a little

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bit different than other blueberries. But if you already have blueberries,

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you can certainly add this for some pizaz in your

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blueberry planting or in your landscape, and other blueberries will

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pollinate it and you'll get fruit. So it's kind of

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like an added bonus. So for this plant, you should

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really think about the fruit. That is the main reason,

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and you're growing it, but kind of as a little

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added bonus there if you want to have it or

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leave it to the animals or whatever you want to

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do with it, always a benefit.

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Speaker 1: Now do we need lots of sunshine and drainage for

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this like we do with blueberries here in Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So everything that you would normally need for properly

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sighting a blueberry plant is going to be equally true

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for skyd gold. Okay, you're going to want acidic soil.

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I think, do think of blueberries as high maintenance plants.

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but I think, as with everything in the garden, people

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tend to think of things as high maintenance when they

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are not sighted properly and therefore need a lot of

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attention to do what you want them to do. But

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if you plant it in full sun, and this is

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cold tolerant down to usdas on four, heat tolerant through

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USDA Zone eight, so the warmer your climate, the more

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shade it can take. But if you're down there in

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zone four five, definitely gonna want full sun for this

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for the best color, best fall color, and of course

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best flowering and fruiting if you do want some of

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those fruits. Acidic soil, well drained soil, super crucial. Blueberries

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don't really like wet so they can take moist soil,

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but you don't want like the soggy soil that can

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lead to all sorts of issues for them. And the

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great thing, because this is an ornamental blueberry and not

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a production blueberry, you don't have to worry about pruning

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at all, you know, overall, if you're trying to grow

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blueberries for backyard fruit production, you do need to be

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quite careful with the pruning. You need to, you know,

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remove the oldest growth, make sure that it has lots

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of young, healthy growth for the best flowering and fruiting.

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Timing is really crucial. It's a lot to remember. Whereas

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with skydew gold, you don't have to prune it at

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all if you don't want to. In fact, it reaches

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just two to four feet tall and three to four

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feet wide, so it's really the perfect size for home

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landscaping and you won't need to prune it, you know,

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for any reason at all, if you don't want to it.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like the plant for me, no work, easy

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to grow, and giving you a sassy wink.

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Speaker 2: If you do want a sassy wink in your landscape,

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then yes, this would definitely be a good choice. So overall,

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you know, blueberries are not the most deer resisted, they're

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not highest up on the list of plants that deer

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want to eat, but they will eat them, and they

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will particularly eat the young growth in spring, which is

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going to be where all those flowers are. It's going

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to be soft. They tend to eat it in spring

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because of course, you know, they're hungry. They've kind of

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exhausted the food supplies out in natural areas. So if

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you do have deer, I would definitely protect this plant

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with maybe a repellent or some netting, especially for its

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first couple of years, and then you know, you should

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be okay overall, people don't, you know, Like the blueberry

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growers around here, there's plenty of deer and they don't

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usually have to worry about them. So the woodier and

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more mature they get, the less appealing they are too deer.

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for at least the first couple of seasons.

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Speaker 1: I'll bet. On the positive side, the birds love them.

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Speaker 2: The birds absolutely love them. Yeah, and so do pollinators.

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I mean, because there's the blueberry flowers serve all sorts

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of different pollinators, so this is just one of those plants.

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It's a little bit different, kind of like a yellow

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petunia in that regard, and again just a great way

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to bring color like nothing else to your garden and

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that great three season interest. So lots going for it

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if you're interested. Of course, you can see photos of

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it in our YouTube version or on Instagram or on

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our show notes at Gardening Simplified on air dot com.

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You can also find a retailer to look for it

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this season and add it to your garden. We're going

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to take a little break. When we come back, we're

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opening up the garden mail bags, so please stay tuned.

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to the Gardening Simplified Show. We are your headquarters for

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answering garden questions and apparently Sassy winks so I don't

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know where that came from, but it is new to

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the to the Gardening it Simplified canon here. So anyway,

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one of the things that we really love to do

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to help simplify gardening for you is to answer garden questions.

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And like I said before, even though it is kind

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of the off season, you're probably starting to think about

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things that are going wrong. And this week we actually

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have a couple of questions about house plants as well,

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which is also something that we even though it's not

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maybe technically gardening, it's gardening like so you can go

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to Gardening Simplified on air dot com and ask us

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your questions there. But before we get to the questions

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we did, you have a couple comments that I wanted

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to share listener Jackie, since today is the annual of

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the year show, She writes to us, I love all

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capital letters. My super beina. So superbinas are a proven

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winners annual like super Tunia, but they are verbina. Do

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you let do you grow verbina?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yes? And I love it. And I'll tell you

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what the super beinas the fact that they are mildew resistant,

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because that was years ago that was the big problem

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with verbina was mildew. And they're they're vigorous and they're

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mildew reasons.

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Speaker 2: Well, that must be why Jackie loves them. She says,

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I'll always have it in my garden, and all the

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pollinators love it too. They're almost always filled with butterflies

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and the hummingbird moths visit regularly. Hummingbird moths. Who doesn't

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want hummingbird moss in the garden they're the best. So

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she sends some pictures of her super beinas for some

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inspiration in the super line of improved Proven Winners annuals.

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So do you check us out on YouTube or at

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Gardeningsimplified on air dot com to take a look at

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those Stacy.

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Speaker 1: We also got an interesting comment from listener Tom hardiness

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zone is great, but with the environmental changes occurring today,

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I feel a strong need for heat zone information on

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plants as well. I have had too many plants rated

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for my zone failed due to their intolerance to my

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heat conditions. I won't purchase a new plant without heat

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zone information or a recommendation and Stacey. Back in nineteen

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ninety seven, the American Horticultural Society created a heartiness zone

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for heat and as I understand it, a heat day

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is over eighty six degrees fahrenheit or thirty degrees celsius.

468
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So in zone one you would have no heat days.

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In zone twelve could as many as two hundred and

470
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ten or more.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot of hot days. It's a lot

472
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of So the AHS system heat zone system is a

473
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great or I should say was a great system, but

474
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unfortunately they have pulled it from their website, and when

475
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I reached out to them to ask them why, because

476
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we were including AHS heat zone information on all of

477
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our tags and all of our websites and everything like that.

478
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So we're like, hey, we can't really send people to

479
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your website and say here's your AAHS find your AHS

480
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heat zone when there's no map anymore. And they said,

481
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you know, the data that we have was two out

482
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of date. We can't stand behind this system anymore. Because

483
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of course the more you know, everybody was freaking out

484
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a year ago about the USDA Heardiness Zone map and

485
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that being changed based on a better, more accurate data set,

486
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so they didn't have the funding or the data to

487
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continue supporting the heat zone system. And you know what

488
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Tom is saying here, I think is really so crucial

489
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to so many gardeners, whether you live in a hot

490
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climate or you live in a cold climate, because there's

491
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plenty of people who, especially in the center of the country,

492
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live in what would be considered a cold climate but

493
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have extremely hot summers, and you really need a plant

494
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that can tolerate both of those things. So Tom, I

495
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feel your pain, even though I don't live in a

496
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hot climate. I understand how valuable this information is to people,

497
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and I totally understand that the heartiness own system has

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a lot of shortcomings, particularly for people who live in

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hot climates. Unfortunately, at present, there is not really a

500
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better solution. I have a lot of people on our

501
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:39,559
team here at Perfuminter's Color Choice Shrubs looking for opportunities

502
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to fund research or to fund data so that we

503
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can continue to offer this service. So I wanted to

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add this just in case anybody's out there listening to

505
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the show and wants to get in touch. You can

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go to Gardening Simplified on air dot com and let's

507
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see how we can work together to give the hot

508
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climate gardeners a little bit more reliable information to pick

509
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their plants.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fantastic. May As I have soil that was

511
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used in a pot for two years now the plant

512
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,039
has gone. I want to know if I should keep

513
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,319
reducing the soil for new plants. There's a lot of

514
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,799
broken up roots and in parts of the soil the

515
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,880
soil is a light brown color instead of a darker black.

516
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Should I just add organic matter to a mend it?

517
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:25,160
Not sure if the root bits are a problem oh, Stacey,

518
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,839
the old potting soil and sticker shock. When you go

519
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to a garden center and see exactly how expensive potting

520
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,920
soil is and I've got how many pots.

521
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Speaker 2: To fill, I feel you. Yeah, So, as I think

522
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,039
we've talked about on the show, I am a big,

523
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:44,559
big believer in reusing your potting soil a great and

524
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,279
particularly for houseplants, it can be a little bit easier

525
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than if you're dealing with the scale of outdoor containers.

526
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As I've said before, I just use those great big

527
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,400
plastic storage bins that you get at Costco or whatever

528
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with the yellow tops and nice. Those two of those

529
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,559
will still all of my soil that I use in

530
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my containers. I do mix it up with some nice

531
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composts to recharge it and get some organic matter back,

532
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,079
because asme has noted, when that organic matter starts to

533
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,039
go away, it's going to become more of just like

534
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,200
in peat, muss is in organic matter as well, but

535
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a lot of the other like more water attentive, high

536
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,119
nutrition kind of stuff that they put in there, like

537
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,279
leaf mold. There's all sorts of different things depending on

538
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,200
the soil mix that you're buying. Yeah, I would just

539
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,440
mix that in by hand and use it. I don't

540
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worry about roots in my potting mix at all.

541
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Speaker 1: Same here, I mean I pull out some of the

542
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bigger roots from year to year. If we're talking about

543
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outside containers, but leaving some of the roots in. I

544
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view it as organic matter.

545
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Speaker 2: I do too, Okay, all right, And you know a

546
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:47,519
lot of people when I've talked about this at you know,

547
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talks or whatever that I've given in various places, I've

548
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,720
said like, well, don't you worry about disease or anything

549
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:55,039
like that, And the answer to that is no, I

550
00:28:55,079 --> 00:29:00,200
actually don't worry about disease because most root diseases are

551
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:06,160
are actually going to be problematic in wet conditions. If

552
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the soil is well drained and it's not staying super wet,

553
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:11,160
you really don't have very much to worry about.

554
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Speaker 1: Now.

555
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Speaker 2: Of course, if you are an orchid grower or you're

556
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doing something that's like, you know, really high value, that

557
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,480
might be a different story. But I would say for

558
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the average home gardener, you have nothing to be concerned about,

559
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,960
and if you are concerned, you don't get rid of

560
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some of it. But yeah, I definitely believe in keeping

561
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your potting soil, treating it like a resource and an investment,

562
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and getting all the life you can out of it.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do the same in here in Michigan. Of course,

564
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we have an organic matter amendment called dairy dow d ooh,

565
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and I work a little bit of that into the

566
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old soil too, so I don't empty those pots. Stacey,

567
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:52,200
I got a green thumb from pinching pennies.

568
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Speaker 2: I guess, well, Patina on there.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, I'm trying to give you a it's not

570
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a snarky wink. What is it?

571
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:04,039
Speaker 2: A sassy wink?

572
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:06,759
Speaker 1: A sassy wink? There we go. I was thinking snarky wink.

573
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,079
Speaker 2: Okay, there's those two.

574
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Speaker 1: We can add that one too.

575
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for different things.

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Speaker 1: Fey has a question about a popular houseplant. I'd like

577
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to know how to cut a corn plant off, grow

578
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,960
new roots, and replant in fresh soil. It's now hitting

579
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a nine foot ceiling. Yeah, Dressina will do that. They

580
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call them mass canes, if you're keeping score at home

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in the industry. And what they do, Stacey, is they

582
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cut canes into various links and root them in pots,

583
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,359
and these Drosina mass canes will grow from it and

584
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the plant is pretty tough and aggressive and eventually can yeah,

585
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bump the ceiling.

586
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Speaker 2: It can easily get to be nine feet in time

587
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,279
and with good care and if it's happy. So yeah,

588
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,279
just to be clear, she says, corn plants, but we

589
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are not talking about the corn that you eat or

590
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corn syrup. It is actually a dressina, very popular houseplant,

591
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and there are different types of drosina as well. So

592
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usually the one that is considered cornplant has the foliage

593
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growing all up it, but then sometimes as it gets older,

594
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that foliage will drop. So there's a lot of different

595
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,200
forms of dressina that you can get. But for the

596
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:17,240
corn plant, you can easily cut off portions of it

597
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:19,680
and root them. So what you're gonna want to do

598
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,720
is don't pay, don't take too big of a section.

599
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:25,599
If you have too big of a section, that's too

600
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,720
much roots or that's too much foliage for it to

601
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,920
try to grow roots to compensate for. So, you know,

602
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I would say probably, you know, something like maybe eight

603
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,200
to ten inches long or thereabout.

604
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Speaker 1: Talking growth, the green growth, yes.

605
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,119
Speaker 2: Correct, not so not the the bare canes where you

606
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,920
have the green growth. I would say aim for eight

607
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,839
to ten inches A little bit more it is fine,

608
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,519
and then peel off the leaves so that you're exposing

609
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:52,880
a white base. You'll see that as soon as you

610
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,160
start to peel those leaves off. And then if you want,

611
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,039
you can put some rooting hormone on there. You don't

612
00:31:58,079 --> 00:31:59,960
have to, but if you happen to have some laying around,

613
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put some rooting harmone. Put it in a pot with

614
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some nice potting soil that is moist. You might want

615
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400
to put a nice big bag around that to build

616
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,680
up some humidity. Just make sure that the foliage doesn't

617
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touch the bag, and I would say in a good

618
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,559
six to ten weeks that thing is going to have

619
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roots and be on its way to eventually reaching a

620
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nine foot tall plant itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen people take the procedure that you just

622
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,559
outlined and even rooted them in a glass of water.

623
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,279
You don't have to do it that way, but you

624
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,440
could produce roots that way too, And that's the foliage

625
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,799
that's growing, the healthy foliage that's growing in the upper

626
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,240
part of the plant. Now. I have seen people root

627
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,359
the canes also. That's a lot tougher. And you know,

628
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,160
from time to time in the garden center industry, we'd

629
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,920
see some plants shipped in that where the cane was

630
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,799
put into soil and had not rooted yet and it

631
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:59,680
falls out. So the method Stacey's outlining is probably the

632
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:00,880
best way for you to go.

633
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Speaker 2: And if your plant has multiple you know it has

634
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,839
a long area of living, healthy green foliage, you can

635
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,680
do that as many times as you want, so it

636
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,759
isn't just the topmost growth that you need to take.

637
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:13,880
You can you can do multiple as long as it

638
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,039
has some green growth. Because again, as Rick said, they're

639
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:18,599
not woody plants, but when you have that kind of quirkier,

640
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,160
woodier growth, it just doesn't root as easily or as well.

641
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,559
And everywhere that you cut it back to eventually with

642
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,960
TLC will sprout a new corn sprout exactly and start

643
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,079
growing as well. So if you have a nine foot

644
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,200
tall corn plant, fay, you have the potential to have many,

645
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,279
many more.

646
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,519
Speaker 1: If you so choose, share with friends and nap.

647
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Speaker 2: Indeed, we're going to take a little break in when

648
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we come back. We are thrilled to have a guest

649
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room proven winners annuals, So please stay tuned. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show today for branching

656
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,760
news and interview with Noah Dear o'hanian. He is the

657
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,039
director of product management with Proven Winners and I think

658
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:26,159
probably just as excited as we are for planting some

659
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,960
flowering annuals this spring and for spring to arrive. Noah,

660
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,440
thanks for joining us on the Gardening Simplified Show.

661
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,119
Speaker 3: Well, thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.

662
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,039
Speaker 1: Noah, I want to get a comment from you. First

663
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,559
of all, Right, off the top annual of the year,

664
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So the chosen annual is Supertunia Mini Vista Yellow Petunia.

665
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How do you feel about that?

666
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Speaker 3: I'm really excited about that as the annual of the year,

667
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,840
primarily because of the benefit that the customer is going

668
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,119
to receive as a Proven Winner product. You're going to

669
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,679
get that long blooming heat tolerant. But the biggest thing

670
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,639
I think for me is the not having the deadhead,

671
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you know, as a as a customer, having that product

672
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,360
on your bench or even having it into your garden

673
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,840
and being able to see those vibrant flowers all season

674
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,199
long is important. And not having to do as much maintenance,

675
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I think is a big factor.

676
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Speaker 1: Well, I know Stacy's happy she's getting the color yellow

677
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,639
in her landscape this year. She loves yellow.

678
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: I do love yellow, and I was I was saying

679
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,960
in the first segment when we were talking about the

680
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,400
annuals of the year that yellow petunias seem to be

681
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,639
kind of like a new on the scene color for petunias.

682
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely going to be It's going to make

683
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the garden top for sure. I think it's just gonna

684
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,519
I think it's gonna bring out a lot of other

685
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,679
beautiful colors in the garden as a nice compliment.

686
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Speaker 2: And it just seems like for years there was you know, pink,

687
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:54,880
there was white, there was purple, and it didn't really

688
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,079
go into kind of more of the hot color range.

689
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But I know that you guys have been doing a

690
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:03,320
lot withyellow petunias. Is there some sort of color barrier

691
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,000
that's been crossed there something that allows yellow petunias, So.

692
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Speaker 3: Obviously there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes

693
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with proven winners and the genetics. And I think the

694
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:15,079
biggest factor of the yellow is the fact that it

695
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,760
holds that color. A lot of other petunities on the

696
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,920
market that are yellow will dull over time.

697
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Speaker 4: No one wants a sad yellow, So I feel that

698
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,199
it's exciting kalladium of the year, Heart to heart, blushing

699
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,880
bride kalladium You're feeling on kalladiums, Noah.

700
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Speaker 3: I think that they are a great centerpiece for containers.

701
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But I think what's really key, and I think a

702
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:41,320
lot of folks can use, is they also make a

703
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,119
decent houseplant. There are very adaptable as a houseplant. I

704
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,159
think that kind of goes untalked about, but I think

705
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:50,360
it's going to be making a trend here, So something

706
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,119
to keep in mind.

707
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,679
Speaker 2: So if people want to so say they buy heartheart

708
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,239
kalladiums for the outdoors in the in the spring or

709
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,119
summer for you know, outdoor annuals, and they want to

710
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,239
bring them indoors. A lot of people, I think, know

711
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:10,239
that kaladiums are a bulbicorm like growth. So should they

712
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,599
let them go dormant and then replant them or should

713
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,840
they bring them inside and try to continue growing them

714
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,760
as a green plant.

715
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: I think as a hobbyist the fun thing to do

716
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,119
and try to bring it out of the cold before

717
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,960
it went dormant and got it inside ideally to keep

718
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,800
that color going.

719
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,119
Speaker 2: And you know, if they're still doing great around the holidays.

720
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:30,559
I know that Heart to Heart has been doing a

721
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,480
lot of work on kaladiums for Christmas. So if you

722
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,840
can keep it going at least till.

723
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: Then yeah, Christmas kaladiums. I mean, it's definitely it would

724
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,519
work well with the point SETI a market. You know,

725
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,639
bringing that color inside doesn't necessarily have to be a flower,

726
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,119
can be foliage as well.

727
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: Definitely, so many new fantastic annuals coming out this year. Noah,

728
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,920
I'm excited about space Age rex begonias. People love colorful

729
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:03,559
foliage and space Age rexonas Wow. That's quite a plant.

730
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: Oh oh my goodness. Yeah, I'm very excited about this one.

731
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,920
The size of the foliage, the color palette again, even

732
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,800
one that could be brought indoors. It's one of those

733
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,360
really nice large foliage with its purples and some of

734
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,320
the greens. There are three different varieties of the space

735
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,320
Age you have Triton Europa as well as Black Hole,

736
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,039
and they all bring their own individual personality, but all

737
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:30,559
kind of work the same with their vigor and in

738
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:31,639
their folio size.

739
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: What a great plant. I've been talking to Kevin Hurd

740
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,280
with Proven Winners about Aero Magica Purple Heliotrope. He's really

741
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,199
excited about this plant because of the branching, and he says,

742
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,599
as far as the flowers are concerned, they bury their dead,

743
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,159
so it's more of a maintenance free plant. And who

744
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:56,199
doesn't love the fragrance of a heliotrope. I think there's

745
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,840
a lot of people excited about Aero Magica. Noah, Yeah, I.

746
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,159
Speaker 3: Definitely agree with Kevin. I know, we've gone on several

747
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,440
trips together, Kevin and I, and he's mentioned how excited

748
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,159
he is about the heliotropium being one of the newest

749
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,000
additions to the Proven Winner's line, and he does have

750
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,239
an extensive background in genetics, which is really awesome to

751
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,559
travel with him. But I definitely agree with him. The aroma,

752
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,800
the fact that it does bury the dead flowers, that

753
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,480
the huge wings, and you.

754
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,039
Speaker 2: Know, I think heliotrope is one of those plants that

755
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:31,599
a lot of people don't even know because it was

756
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,840
considered such an old fashioned kind of flower, kind of

757
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,360
an out of favor because of the dead heading and

758
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,280
just not great plants overall, and a lot of this

759
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,719
breeding I think brings the potential for this plant to

760
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,880
a whole new audience. And you know, for those of

761
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,760
who were wondering what the magic in the aer magica is,

762
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:54,039
they smell like vanilla. They have this just delightful, beautiful

763
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,079
vanilla smell. And of course, Heliotrope, the plant is itself

764
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:01,159
another name for purple so bowl and vanilla. I mean,

765
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,079
sign me up.

766
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:03,519
Speaker 1: It.

767
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 3: Also, it's interesting you can it grows in the Grande

768
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:13,280
absolutely beautifully containers, window boxes, recipes, monoculture's landscape. I mean,

769
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,239
this plant has it all. So it's a great addition.

770
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about the history and old

771
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:24,280
fashioned plants. For me, Heliotrope, I in the heat of summer,

772
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,559
I smell a fresh baked cherry pie.

773
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:30,159
Speaker 2: I can see that too kind of fragrance.

774
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,199
Speaker 1: Does anybody bake pies and put them on the window

775
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,639
sill in summer anymore? Maybe they do, But that's what.

776
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:41,119
Speaker 3: I too many people floating around exactly exactly.

777
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,159
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I mentioned earlier in the show

778
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:49,360
and Noah that I was a big fan of Scavola

779
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,320
before it became popular, and now as opposed to the

780
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,719
fan shape or hand shaped flowers, you come out with

781
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,199
Star Diva. Wow, what a plan it.

782
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: Yes, so very excited about the start Eva. I am

783
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,280
also a huge Scavla fan. I think the nice thing

784
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,480
for me about Scavola is when you give it to

785
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:17,360
somebody who may must not necessarily be an avid horticulturalist,

786
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,880
they can let it dry down a little bit and

787
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,159
it pops right back the Star Diva. I mean, the

788
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,960
nice thing about it is it just packs a huge

789
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,039
flower punch. It's going to be used separately than the

790
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,800
WorldWind would be used worldwhend you're going to find in

791
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,920
the baskets. The Star Eva is going to kind of

792
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,119
be a standalone maybe in containers. It doesn't pack is

793
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,079
big of a fill as the WorldWind, so it does

794
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,119
have its place in the market. It's nice to have

795
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,599
a complimentary pair to the Whirlwind in its own right,

796
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,039
you know.

797
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: I like when I'm designing my containers, which I pretty

798
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,119
much do on the spot. It's not like I go

799
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,519
to the garden center with a grand plan in mind.

800
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:57,239
It's kind of just grabbing whatever, whatever looks cool. You

801
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,840
know a lot of times I thought, oh, I would

802
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,440
love like the color the form of a scavola, but

803
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,920
I just I don't need a trailer. And it's so

804
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,400
cool when you have, you know, that same kind of

805
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:09,559
look and that same durability and everything, but in a

806
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:11,639
different habit. It's a great way to kind of do

807
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,760
a theme in variation, create some cohesion in the garden

808
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,119
without just being overly unnecessarily repetitive.

809
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,519
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yes, I like how you put that, for sure.

810
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you're thinking about growing scavola in your yard,

811
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,719
if you have a really hot situation or hot sun, boy,

812
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,159
this is the plant for you. It really performs. Okay Kufia,

813
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,119
Am I pronouncing that right? First of all, I think

814
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:37,400
you are.

815
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, see what.

816
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,519
Speaker 1: So it was Stacey who got me really going on vermillionaire.

817
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:48,679
I mean, I've dabbled in it before, but vermillionaire, I

818
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,639
love that plant was gorgeous in my garden this year.

819
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,519
And then you come out with totally tempted kufias, which

820
00:42:56,519 --> 00:43:01,280
are procumbents. So I'm thinking the plant being a procumbents.

821
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,639
It's it's a more of a trailer or it lies,

822
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:10,119
it's shorter. Tell us about these new Kufias that are

823
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:11,199
introduced this year.

824
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: Sure so so some people pronounced it pronounced cufia cfia.

825
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:20,280
I think either way okay correct. But the nice thing

826
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,119
about this is it just kind of expands our list

827
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,559
of heat tolerant annuals. For sure, it's floriferous. You're still

828
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:30,159
going to get your pollinators coming in, which is awesome,

829
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,440
as well as it's just a little bit more of

830
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,360
a refined habit and so you're not going to like

831
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,280
you said, it's it's the pro commings. It's not going

832
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,960
to be that standing tall. It's going to be much

833
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,800
round or more mounded, and in still packs that that

834
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,440
that flower, that flower punch that we love in cufia

835
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:46,000
for sure.

836
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: Now what I did get samples of this last year,

837
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,519
and I grew it. I grew the red one because

838
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:53,559
the only thing I like better than yellow is red,

839
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:59,639
and I absolutely the color was just stunning. Now I

840
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,000
did it did get pollinator so not the hummingbirds, like

841
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:06,199
totally tempted because it doesn't have those cigar shaped flowers

842
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:11,000
that kind of characterize the Vermilionaire type, but just such

843
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,679
a beautiful plant. And the color. It looks great with

844
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,920
the vermilionaire because it still picks up with kind of

845
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,360
that saturation that you see with that like little bit

846
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,639
of purple. But the color on this plant, I've never

847
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,159
grown anything like it. I absolutely adored it.

848
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, for people keeping score at home, we're talking about kufia,

849
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,519
so it's cuph ea and then the totally tempted frosted

850
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:39,599
violets and then richly red. There is also a vivid

851
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,320
violet and a totally tempted water melon wine. I think

852
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,400
these plants are going to be popular.

853
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: Noah, I agree. I agree.

854
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: Now, years ago in the garden center industry, I have

855
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:59,559
memories of selling moss roses, the multi colored moss roses in.

856
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: Trade cell packs, the old cell packs, the.

857
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,519
Speaker 1: Old cell packs, and a lot of people consider them

858
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:09,199
as an old fashion annual. But now we've got tangerine,

859
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:16,960
fusia and mango, the mojave, portia, lacas, these plants especially

860
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,079
for hot sunny areas. Noah, I'm planning on growing some

861
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:22,480
of these in my landscape this.

862
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: Year, oh for sure. And don't just think of it

863
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:29,000
as a landscape plant. The way that they work in hangars.

864
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,000
I think is phenomenal growing for some other growers before

865
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:36,480
venturing into proven winters, A lot of hangars, the eight

866
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,199
inch hangers would be loaded. We have loaded portolaca hangers

867
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,960
and they were just phenomenal, phenomenal and would fly off

868
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,360
the shelf. So don't think of it as just a

869
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,760
landscape plant. It does work well in a as a

870
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,360
mono or a monocombo, two different colors mixed into a

871
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,079
hanging basket.

872
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 2: And you know, it's very forgiving, so especially for people

873
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,679
who want to grow in containers but travel or have

874
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,639
really difficult conditions, it's such a great choice because it

875
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:07,079
can really withstand some short term abuse without really suffering

876
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,400
in the flower color at all.

877
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:14,199
Speaker 3: Agreed. And it's set so many new buds that they're

878
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,639
always ready to emerge. So if you do lose some

879
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,519
flowers water, if you come back from a vacation, like

880
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,440
you said, a few days later, maybe a week later,

881
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,960
you'll have some new flowers emerging.

882
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:29,559
Speaker 1: I love it. Unplugged red salvia and white salvia. Tell

883
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,920
us about this plant. There's there's a great story behind

884
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,960
this plant, and I think this is going to be

885
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:37,400
very popular in garden centers. This year.

886
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,599
Speaker 3: I agree as well. The salvia is a huge staple

887
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:45,000
of our of our new new intros coming out. The flowers,

888
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,719
the different colors that we're offering, larger blossoms, greater flower power,

889
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,599
is just impulse appeal at the retail level. It's just

890
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,199
gonna it's gonna be great for all all sorts of

891
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,519
consumers in the gardens.

892
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: And there's unplugged red and unplugged D white, correct, that

893
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:03,920
is correct.

894
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again it's going to attract the pollinators, the beast,

895
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,880
the butterfly, hummingbird. And but the nice thing is it

896
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:10,920
is deer resistance.

897
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,679
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they didn't I had samples of this last

898
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,559
year as well of unplugged red. They didn't touch it.

899
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:21,599
And this thing, it was a blooming machine, like it

900
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,599
just would not stop. And you know, the the flower clusters,

901
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:29,960
the spikes, they kind of elongate, so the more the

902
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,639
longer you have it, the longer they get. And by

903
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:35,039
the end of the season it just looks like this wild.

904
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,039
It kind of like gets back to that more like

905
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,639
wild salvia. Yeah, and in the best way, you know,

906
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,440
like I love that it kind of gets a little yeah,

907
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:47,079
just a little while, a little rough around the edges.

908
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: I like that nice nice Noah, I of course loved

909
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,360
the supertunias, the performance of supertunias. You have one this year,

910
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,920
Bermuda Beach. This is a a supertunia that I want

911
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,360
to put in a container on my deck and then

912
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,280
pull up my lawn chair with a nice little beverage

913
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,519
and sit by it. What a cool color on that plant.

914
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 3: For sure. What kind of beverage you think you would have?

915
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,199
Speaker 1: Oh, come on over, We'll mix something up really good. Noah. Actually,

916
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,320
to be honest with you, it would be a it

917
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,840
would be a cilantro and cucumber. Martine, I know you were.

918
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,159
Speaker 2: Going to say that.

919
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: So the supertunia Bermuda Beach, it has been within the

920
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,800
proven winner's realm for a little bit. But this is

921
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,880
an improvement. So when we do make improvements or release improvements,

922
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:41,719
they are not big. They're not usually big improvements because

923
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,840
we know it's a tried and true crop that our

924
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,599
customers absolutely adore. What we're trying to do is just

925
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,760
pass on some of the benefits of some maybe newer

926
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,239
things that are coming out. So maybe a little bit

927
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,559
larger of a flower, maybe the color is gonna last

928
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,880
a little bit longer. So as far as Bermuda Beach goes,

929
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,920
it's a medium coral pink flower bloom spring to fall

930
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,079
of no dead heading. We all love not having the

931
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:04,599
dead head flowers. And again it's it's one of those

932
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,119
plants that you could just use window boxes, hanging baster recipes.

933
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,679
You could do whatever you want with this plant. It's indestructible.

934
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,199
It's a great plan and it's a.

935
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Speaker 2: Key element of one of perform Winner's best selling recipes

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is that Bermuda Beach or Bermuda skuys with with this

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and the and the little blue Labelia's in it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, correct, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, always. You see that everywhere. I know when that

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was I know when that first came out of him,

941
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was like oh wow. And you know, here we are

942
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at least ten years later, and I see it everywhere

943
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I go every single season. People love that combination.

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Speaker 1: Noah, before we let you go in, we're talking to

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Noah Dear o'hanian. He is the director of product management

946
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with Proven Winners, And Noah, I want to ask you

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real quickly because when I'm in the garden center, I

948
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see people going crazy over angelonia. Angel face love that

949
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plant and you have some improved varieties this year.

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Speaker 3: That is that is correct. It's gonna be a very

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heat resisting variety. It actually it thrives.

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Speaker 2: In the heat.

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Speaker 3: So think of it as a plant that just thrives

954
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in the heat. So you get into a nice warm area,

955
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it's just going to perform like crazy for you. Just

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make sure you obviously you give it the right amount

957
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,679
of water, but in a nice warm area, and they're

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gonna explode.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. Noah, as director of product management with proven winners,

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You're probably not allowed to have a favorite plant, is

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that correct? Or do you have a favorite?

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Speaker 3: I do have. I was, you know, it's funny, before

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we have done this call, I was wondering if that

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question was going to come up. And I do have

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a fit. I do have a favorite plant. And I

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don't know if it's if it's going to bode well

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with my colleagues, but I think that to double up.

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Pogonia for me is one of my favorite annuals really

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growing it. It is such an easy grow. You can

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pot it and and forget it and it just does

971
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its thing. It's a very easy product. And I just

972
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absolutely adore that plant.

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Speaker 1: I love that and you know, I see a real

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resurgence in begonias too. You know, it's a plant that

975
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can handle some dry shade. People love bogonias, and to

976
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have these varieties of begonias available today certainly is a

977
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kick in the plant, so to speak, when we get

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out there and start planting.

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Speaker 3: Noa, yeah, yeah. Just so everyone knows the rexes are

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a this is called a foreshadow. I want to say

981
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that the rexes are just a nice starting point. There's

982
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so many beautiful bogoonis out there for their foliage. Just

983
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keep an eye out from Proven Winners, and we hope

984
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to bring you some really awesome stuff.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. Noah, thank you so much for joining us on

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the Gardening Simplified Show. A pleasure to talk to you.

987
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Thanks for everything you do for Proven Winners and for

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the general public. Boy, we've got some great plants to

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look forward to this year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you for having me and I love sharing

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all the information.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks well. Gee.

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Speaker 2: I said at the end of segment one that I

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was super excited for Garden Center shopping season. Now I'm

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even more excited and it's still a couple months away,

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so I'm gonna have to figure out something else to

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do with all of that plant energy. I'm ready to

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go put it into seed shopping or something like that.

999
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So thanks so much Shanoah for sharing all of that

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great information about the new PREVUM Winners Annuals for twenty

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twenty five. Thank you, Rick, you, thank you Adriana, and

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thanks so much to all of you for listening, watching,

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and listening to us on podcasts. We really appreciate it

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and hope you have a wonderful week ahead.