Speaker 1: It's night's time with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm telling easy Bond video.
Speaker 3: But we've talked a lot about politics for the last
Speaker 3: few nights. We may get back to politics later on,
Speaker 3: but tomorrow is Halloween, and of course with Halloween we
Speaker 3: talk about some interesting spooky issues and some phenomenon and
Speaker 3: I'm delighted to welcome to the program Rachel Person. She
Speaker 3: is a realtor who deals often with antique homes, and
Speaker 3: the question of what has happened in a home that's
Speaker 3: been around a long time sometimes has an influence on
Speaker 3: whether or not that home becomes more or less saleable.
Speaker 3: By that, I mean that there are some homes where
Speaker 3: if there's some legend of it being haunted, or if
Speaker 3: indeed there has been some horrific event in the past
Speaker 3: and people find out about it, Uh, it can make
Speaker 3: that home less marketable. Rachel, I'm trying to explain it
Speaker 3: as best I can. I just want to set it
Speaker 3: up that way. Tell us about your real estate experience,
Speaker 3: as I understand that you deal a lot with older homes,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure that is part of the function of
Speaker 3: that is where you actually conduct your business. You are
Speaker 3: a realtor based in Newburyport, but you also sell homes
Speaker 3: in Massachusetts and also in New Hampshire. Tell us a
Speaker 3: little bit about who you who you who you deal with,
Speaker 3: Who are the who are the folks that you're out
Speaker 3: that that are looking for homes from through your office.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. So my mother, Yeah,
Speaker 4: my mother and I are a mother daughter team. And
Speaker 4: as you said, we're located in newberry Port. And my
Speaker 4: mom has been in real estate for I don't know,
Speaker 4: over thirty years, and her niche has always been historic properties.
Speaker 4: I grew up in historic or antique properties with my
Speaker 4: parents redoing many of them over the years, and she
Speaker 4: kind of just found her way into that niche. And
Speaker 4: then when I joined her about oh it's a little
Speaker 4: over four years ago, so I'm going into my fifth
Speaker 4: year here, I kind of fell into that as well.
Speaker 4: We often sell historic luxury properties because I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: Newburyport has a pretty dense concentration of historic and or
Speaker 4: antique properties. We did sell the John Noy's House that
Speaker 4: was built in sixteen forty six.
Speaker 1: I think that's the oldest one we sold so far.
Speaker 4: First period house yet. We sold one just this September
Speaker 4: in Newburyport that was built in sixteen eighty. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's something that it's you know, it's just another day
Speaker 4: at the office. I'm so used to it. But I
Speaker 4: love them. I love the history behind them.
Speaker 3: Now there are homes that have stories associated with them, Okay,
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you believe in haunted homes
Speaker 3: or not. Yeah, I'm just curious in your experience. And
Speaker 3: we're going to get into the legalities that realtors what
Speaker 3: they have to and do not have to, you know,
Speaker 3: tell people about, But what is your experience? Are there
Speaker 3: homes that that when you get them, you know that
Speaker 3: there's a sort of a legend or a history that
Speaker 3: that might make that home a home that some people
Speaker 3: would would not be anxious to buy.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean so many of the houses that we sell,
Speaker 4: like you know, if someone was to ask us to
Speaker 4: someone died in the house, it's like, yeah, sure they
Speaker 4: probably did. It was built in seventeen fifty. So, but
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of like historically significant homes, we
Speaker 4: don't see them that often. Obviously, the James Noys Houses
Speaker 4: was is historically significant because he was involved in Salem
Speaker 4: witch trials and was a first settler in Newbury, So
Speaker 4: you know that's that's significant. But not any houses around
Speaker 4: here that I can think of off the top of
Speaker 4: my head that are known to be haunted. Now, have
Speaker 4: I lived in the house I considers to maybe be haunted, Yes,
Speaker 4: my parents experience. Yeah yeah, yeah, No, not real estate.
Speaker 4: It's just my own own in my own personal life
Speaker 4: because I've lived in so many old houses and just
Speaker 4: weird stuff happens. Weird, weird stuff happens that you can't explain.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're talking there about what I think some
Speaker 3: would describe as the paranormal correct, Yes, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: So yeah, so let's first of all deal with the
Speaker 3: question of what wheeltors are obligated to disclose and what
Speaker 3: they're not obligated to disclose. And I know that there
Speaker 3: are some rules that you have to comply by, comply with,
Speaker 3: so give us, give us the overview there of what
Speaker 3: you are obligated to tell and what you are not
Speaker 3: obligated to tell. Sure.
Speaker 4: So, I'm licensed in both Massachusetts and Newmpshire, as you mentioned,
Speaker 4: and they have vastly different rules about these things. Massachusetts
Speaker 4: is what's called a buyer beware state, so it is
Speaker 4: up to the buyer to ask the pertinent questions. The
Speaker 4: only thing that I have to disclose or my sellar
Speaker 4: needs to disclose is the presence of lead paint or
Speaker 4: if the house is built prior to nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 4: If you know you have to sell out a lead
Speaker 4: paint disclosure, You have to talk about whether or not
Speaker 4: there is a septic system on the property, and you
Speaker 4: have to get a title five done, and then you're
Speaker 4: not allowed to lie if asked the direct question. So
Speaker 4: if someone says to you sterial defect about something, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, but let's assume let's focus on the haunt.
Speaker 3: Let's assume someone says to you, gee, this is an
Speaker 3: old house. I love it for a lot of reasons,
Speaker 3: but I sometimes get creeped out. Is there any suggestion
Speaker 3: or do you have any knowledge that this house is haunted?
Speaker 3: You're telling I think you told me earlier that in
Speaker 3: that your your obligation might differ from state to state. Now,
Speaker 3: you're licensed in two states, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: Explained to us, Yeah, so in New Hampshire you do
Speaker 4: have to disclose if there has been quote unquote paranormal activity.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to finition of that is specifically
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts, Apparently it's that some kind of psychological effect
Speaker 4: has happened to whoever was living there. They had some
Speaker 4: kind of psychological impact. I don't know if that's the
Speaker 4: same in Hampshire, but it's apparently it's if the seller
Speaker 4: tells you, yes, we've seen para normal activity, you do
Speaker 4: have to disclose that to a buyer and hanswer. In Massachusetts,
Speaker 4: it's not even that's not even in my purview. I
Speaker 4: don't answer that question, you know, if someone died. On
Speaker 4: the other hand, if someone asked me if someone died there,
Speaker 4: then I and I do know for a fact I
Speaker 4: need to answer that question. But a buyer has to
Speaker 4: ask me specifically.
Speaker 3: Okay, so does if the buyer says to you, gee,
Speaker 3: I think that I read that someone might have been
Speaker 3: killed here. Does the difference between someone dying of natural
Speaker 3: causes and someone dying Yeah, in a difference at a circumstances?
Speaker 3: Does that change the question?
Speaker 4: In Massachusetts it doesn't. It's still if it's a either
Speaker 4: a haunted property, a death or a stigmatized property, which
Speaker 4: means a significant event occurred there that could possibly devalue
Speaker 4: the property. You don't have to disclose any of that.
Speaker 4: It's up to the buyer to do the buyer's own
Speaker 4: due diligence. Now, in the state of New Hampshire, on
Speaker 4: the other hand, if there was a potentially like a
Speaker 4: murder or something that made the news that everyone's.
Speaker 2: Aware of.
Speaker 4: That and then stay an out of sea fire came like, wow,
Speaker 4: this is a beautiful farmhouse. Little do they know there
Speaker 4: was you know, like a triple homicide there or something,
Speaker 4: then you would need to disclose that. But in the
Speaker 4: state of Massachusetts you.
Speaker 3: Do not need to, Okay, So it differs from state
Speaker 3: to state, and there's an affirmative obligation, more of an
Speaker 3: affirmative obligation on you in New Hampshire than in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: In your experiences are real to how long often do
Speaker 3: either or one of these questions you actually arise? Not often?
Speaker 4: I assume right, no, not often, And I think that
Speaker 4: most people who because there's the people that buy old
Speaker 4: houses love old houses. You know, if you like newer
Speaker 4: construction properties, they're not going to go and buy a
Speaker 4: house from eighteen twenty five. It's just not something you're
Speaker 4: going to want to do. So in order to buy
Speaker 4: an older house. You're going to have to love older houses.
Speaker 4: And a lot of the people that go to buy
Speaker 4: these properties they know what they're getting Excuse me, they
Speaker 4: know what they're getting into. Haven't had buyers ask me
Speaker 4: as a buyer's agent before, like do you think anyone
Speaker 4: died here?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, every once in a while, but it was never
Speaker 4: really like a serious question.
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Okay, Well, my guest is Rachael Person. Tomorrow's Halloween,
Speaker 3: and we thought it might be an interesting idea to
Speaker 3: talk about haunted homes or haunted houses, So if you
Speaker 3: would like to join the conversation, if you've had an
Speaker 3: experience with a haunted house. I had a friend of
Speaker 3: mine who I mentioned, I think last night on the show,
Speaker 3: who was convinced that the house that he grew up
Speaker 3: in he saw a paranormal set of circumstances are he
Speaker 3: thought a human like figure who disappeared? Which could you
Speaker 3: could you know? I think you know spook someone out?
Speaker 3: Feel free to call six one seven two thirty six
Speaker 3: one seven, nine, three, ten thirty. Have you ever lived
Speaker 3: in a home where you had been told hey, you
Speaker 3: may you may not be alone here, your family may
Speaker 3: not be alone here. Love to compare some notes here
Speaker 3: with Rachel Person on night Side. This is just kind
Speaker 3: of lightening up a little bit. We've had a lot
Speaker 3: of serious conversations this week, and we'll get back to
Speaker 3: some politics in the in the final hour tonight, but
Speaker 3: I'd like to just lighten it up a little bit.
Speaker 3: If you've ever looked at a home and was told, hey,
Speaker 3: here's something really bad happened, feel free to join the
Speaker 3: conversation as well. We'll be back with Rachel Person some
Speaker 3: phone calls, I hope right after this.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 2: night Side Studios on WBZ the News Radio.
Speaker 3: My guess is Rachel Person. She's a realtor based in Newburyport,
Speaker 3: but sells homes and in both Northern Massachusetts, I assume
Speaker 3: pretty much anywhere in Massachusetts and also New Hampshire. Licensed
Speaker 3: in both states. Standards are a little bit different sounds
Speaker 3: to me, Like in New Hampshire they acknowledge that, yeah,
Speaker 3: there can be paranormal activity in a home, and if
Speaker 3: you are asked about that again, the burden is upon
Speaker 3: the buyer to ask you the question. As I understand that,
Speaker 3: is that correct.
Speaker 4: Rachel, Yeah, with almost everything when you buy a home
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts, not just paranormal activity like anything, it's the
Speaker 4: buyer's obligation or the buyer's agents to do their due diligence,
Speaker 4: whether that be to check with city Hall to make
Speaker 4: sure that there's no open permits and that the permits
Speaker 4: have been closed to you know, if there's an easement,
Speaker 4: or to review the documents. It's all on you as
Speaker 4: the buyer and your buyer's agent. So it's important that
Speaker 4: you have someone that knows what they're doing because if
Speaker 4: you don't review those things and you miss something, then
Speaker 4: you're kind of up up a stream with down a paddle,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yep, No, I totally get what you mean. But it's
Speaker 3: interesting because obviously there's a lot of information that will
Speaker 3: be kept at somewhere in the official files, you know,
Speaker 3: of something dealing with real estate transactions, obviously, registry of deeds,
Speaker 3: et cetera. But the real question that I think people
Speaker 3: might be interested and again, is this quote unquote paranormal
Speaker 3: activity and there's no there's there's no play. You're never
Speaker 3: going to find at a registry of deeds. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: there was peril normal activity in this home back in
Speaker 3: the nineteen forties. So those of you who have ever
Speaker 3: dealt with that, feel free to give us a call.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, let us go north of the border
Speaker 3: to Daryl in New Brunswick up in Canada and find
Speaker 3: out what he would like to contribute to the conversation. Daryl,
Speaker 3: welcome to nights.
Speaker 1: I go right ahead, hey man, and welcome hello to
Speaker 1: your guests.
Speaker 3: I forgot her name, Rachel, Rachel Chel.
Speaker 1: Hello. I actually have an old house, an old brick house,
Speaker 1: basement six foot boulder foundation, two ten foot floors, old brick.
Speaker 1: He was built in eighteen eighty nine and then a
Speaker 1: third floor. I was told at one time this property
Speaker 1: was used as a church and a hospital, and that
Speaker 1: there could be certain burials in the basement.
Speaker 4: Oh boy, and so.
Speaker 1: It's again. All you do is it's all rumors, and
Speaker 1: if need be, I can get it checked out with
Speaker 1: the one of those ground penetrating things right.
Speaker 3: Ironically, you know, I let me ask you this, when
Speaker 3: you bought this this property, Daryl, we were you appraised
Speaker 3: of this? Were you told that or have you learned
Speaker 3: about it subsequently?
Speaker 1: I really didn't care. The price was so good, but
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine. So you bought the you bought the house,
Speaker 3: and so now what you're trying to figure out is
Speaker 3: how can you find out which of these rumors are
Speaker 3: true in which are not true? Correct?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Correct your own question that that you're not going to
Speaker 3: dig up your basement. I don't think I would, hope not.
Speaker 1: Its floor a dirt floor.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if you Okay, I don't know
Speaker 3: how if you want if you think that they're they
Speaker 3: were the remains of individuals buried there, are you looking
Speaker 3: at something you want to know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is a question. Would you actually have
Speaker 1: to pass this on to information?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: But we were going with the haunted aspect as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Darrel, let me try. Let me first of
Speaker 3: all say this, Rachel is not licensed as a realtor
Speaker 3: in New Brunswick, Canada. Knowing Canada as I know it,
Speaker 3: I suspect that deal laws are probably a little more
Speaker 3: stringent than ours. But that's just a guess.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not looking I'm not looking to sell though.
Speaker 1: It's just a question if you would have to let
Speaker 1: people know if you knew.
Speaker 3: I don't know that Rachel can answer that question. Canada.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're talking in your area, I guess.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So if there were potential human remains on
Speaker 4: the property, that's a great question. I don't don't know
Speaker 4: the answer to that, because you know, I mean, under
Speaker 4: what I know about the laws, I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: think so. But it could be considered some kind of
Speaker 4: environmental issue. That's a that's an issue.
Speaker 5: If that came up.
Speaker 4: My first call would be to a real estate attorney
Speaker 4: to ask them, because I've never had that question.
Speaker 3: They as before, well, again, if it was in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: And you would say no, probably yeah, well no, if you.
Speaker 3: Knew there were human remains buried under a dirt cellar floor.
Speaker 3: It seems to me that if someone asked you, had
Speaker 3: anyone died in this property?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to tell.
Speaker 3: Them that the circumstances that the death would be. I
Speaker 3: think every one of these situations there would be a
Speaker 3: little different, is what I'm trying to get at. And
Speaker 3: I would suspect that if you went to you must
Speaker 3: have in Canada. I assume some uh, some real estate
Speaker 3: lawyers or registries of deeds where you could go and
Speaker 3: just inquire about that.
Speaker 1: True, Yeah, true, I'm just going to talk to the
Speaker 1: local people I know in the RCMP, and then they
Speaker 1: can do a GP ground pending greater right.
Speaker 3: Again, depending upon how long someone had been buried and
Speaker 3: what condition they were buried in, it's conceivable that if
Speaker 3: they were buried there two hundred years ago, everything you know,
Speaker 3: you know, could could have turned to dust Thereyl. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know enough about the r MCP
Speaker 3: radar capacities, but yeah, that's that's a place that you
Speaker 3: should start. Absolutely. Well.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not calling about the advice party. We're talking
Speaker 1: about Halloween and the haunted part. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 1: was just calling in to help up.
Speaker 3: Well, thank thank you very much. I appreciate it's interesting.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Did you know when you bought you when you you
Speaker 3: told me that you didn't care when you bought the house. Uh,
Speaker 3: and you subsequently learned that there might be bodies buried
Speaker 3: and you have a dirt base.
Speaker 1: Well, no, we're talking about possible being a hospital at
Speaker 1: one time, possibly people that were still born.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, okay, yeah, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, and wait,
Speaker 3: thanks after I bought it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I only paid twenty thousand dollars for the house,
Speaker 1: so it's pretty much.
Speaker 3: You still would you still would have bought it? Okay,
Speaker 3: Thanks Dale, appreciate the call, interesting questions as always, Thank
Speaker 3: you very much, Darryl. We got to take a quick break. Rachel.
Speaker 3: You stay right there. We got Julie in Arlington, Mike
Speaker 3: and Rossendale, John and Quincy. If you'd like to join
Speaker 3: and ask a question or if you've had an experience
Speaker 3: with either a real estate transaction or a haunted house
Speaker 3: six one seven, two thirty six one seven, nine three
Speaker 3: one ten thirty back after this.
Speaker 2: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3: My guest is Rachel Person. She's a real realtor. What's
Speaker 3: the difference between a realtor and a real estate agent?
Speaker 4: Rachel being a member of the National Association of Realtors,
Speaker 4: and we have a specific code ethics that we have
Speaker 4: to follow.
Speaker 3: Gotcha. Okay? I know that's kind of knew the answer
Speaker 3: to that question, but I wanted to emphasize your status.
Speaker 3: And we're talking about haunted home. So let's keep rolling
Speaker 3: here and see what people have to contribute to the conversation.
Speaker 3: We're going to go next to Julie and Arlington. Julie,
Speaker 3: welcome to night side. You're on with Rachel Person. Go
Speaker 3: right ahead, Julie.
Speaker 5: Hi, Dan, nice talking with you. It's been a.
Speaker 1: While, Yes it has, Julie.
Speaker 3: Where have you hi?
Speaker 5: Rachel? Hello? I have two really fascinating stories on this topic.
Speaker 5: One was in the state of Massachusetts and one is
Speaker 5: outside of the state of mass The one outside of
Speaker 5: the state of mass I have a friend who is
Speaker 5: so sensitive to the paranormal that if she travels in
Speaker 5: Europe or anywhere, she cannot stay in one of these
Speaker 5: older castles. She can't sleep all night. She's just one
Speaker 5: of these magnets where anything floating around is going to
Speaker 5: come to her keep her up all night. It's it's
Speaker 5: it's fascinating because I never feel anything right, so I
Speaker 5: would never understand it. But she's legit anyhow.
Speaker 3: She do you, Julie, do you think she's more sensitive
Speaker 3: to it or do you think she is just I
Speaker 3: don't know. I hate to use the phrase of faking it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, not faking it. If anything, she might be
Speaker 5: vulnerable to it, and so she's more easily.
Speaker 6: Entered.
Speaker 5: You know again, this is will sounds so sci fi. Anyhow,
Speaker 5: she bought a condo in a downtown area of an
Speaker 5: upscale urban area, and I visited her and I slept
Speaker 5: in her front room on the couch, and she was
Speaker 5: in her bedroom and I had no problems. And she
Speaker 5: confided to me that she says, I have difficulty sleeping
Speaker 5: in that bedroom and I never felt the thing. So
Speaker 5: she meets up with the previous owner, who happened to
Speaker 5: be a Catholic priest at a benefit, and she said, father,
Speaker 5: you know such and such happened and I feel this,
Speaker 5: and I said, and she said, his eyes opened with terror,
Speaker 5: and he says, God be with you, know, God be
Speaker 5: with you, my child, and he walked away. So and
Speaker 5: he's lived in this something's up. And so then she
Speaker 5: tells me she says she felt like this angry young
Speaker 5: African American man jump on her in the middle of
Speaker 5: the night and she's like, get off of me, and
Speaker 5: he was angry. So she reaches out to the neighbor
Speaker 5: across the hall and she says, with someone murdered here
Speaker 5: or someone who killed her, I feel this angry. And
Speaker 5: they said, oh, we didn't want to tell you, but yes,
Speaker 5: there was a murder here and it was this young
Speaker 5: African American. So she's so frightened.
Speaker 3: At this point, she a young African American, was the victim.
Speaker 5: The victim, right, and so so she sells the home
Speaker 5: and she she happened to be driving down the alley
Speaker 5: one hot summer night and the people that bought it
Speaker 5: were sleeping out on their deck.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was because it was or.
Speaker 5: Because they couldn't sleep in the bedroom. So so that
Speaker 5: was just one really interest.
Speaker 3: So she's convinced that the person who had been killed
Speaker 3: it was it sounds it was this a house or
Speaker 3: a condo.
Speaker 5: It was a condo murder instance in that bedroom.
Speaker 3: In that and and that the spirit of the victim,
Speaker 3: the young African American male, yes, was there and somehow.
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know the story. As soon as she
Speaker 5: heard you know, yes there actually was a murder, but
Speaker 5: we didn't want to tell you that, you know, because
Speaker 5: you're the new Nate residence.
Speaker 3: What did she did she sell the house? Did she say?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: The priest before her didn't Anita did she? So so
Speaker 5: that was that, and I don't know what.
Speaker 3: The laws were there. This was not in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: No, that was not in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 5: So then my second story is in my building, I
Speaker 5: lived in the back bay and an old brownstone one
Speaker 5: hundred plus years old, and I lived on an upper floor.
Speaker 5: And I had a very good friend that lived in
Speaker 5: the in the lowest level floor. And she was gorgeous,
Speaker 5: gorgeous girl, very athletic, beautiful girl. And she said when
Speaker 5: she moved in, she said she had one of those
Speaker 5: floor to ceiling mirrors, and she had it in a
Speaker 5: closet and she says, you know, she says, I thought
Speaker 5: I saw a flash go by, you know, like just
Speaker 5: a flash, and she thought, oh, she blew it off.
Speaker 5: And then she looks in this closet and all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, this mirror steamed up. There's no steam, there's
Speaker 5: no nothing going on. So she's so tough and so confident.
Speaker 5: She stuck out her hand and said, well, spirit, it
Speaker 5: looks like we're going to be neighbors. And I hope
Speaker 5: we get along just fine living together. And she was
Speaker 5: never affected by it. So fast forward several years later,
Speaker 5: a good friend of mine moves in there and she
Speaker 5: starts telling me that she feels off, like something's wrong,
Speaker 5: something's wrong. She was getting really unwell and she didn't
Speaker 5: know why. She couldn't pinpoint it and you know some
Speaker 5: of my background with my travels to China and meeting
Speaker 5: a grandmaster of Chigong, and at the time I was
Speaker 5: working with him, and he happened to be there and
Speaker 5: he said, have her come up and I'll scan her
Speaker 5: and see what I see. And he's scanning her, and
Speaker 5: I'll never forget this because he was not a man
Speaker 5: who was easily frightened. He's scanning her body from head
Speaker 5: to toe with his hands, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: he just froze and his eyes were like saucers. He
Speaker 5: looked frightened. And he says he and he starts holding
Speaker 5: and his hands starts shaking, and he says, open up
Speaker 5: your front door, you know, of my condo. So I
Speaker 5: opened up my front door. He says, now go downstairs
Speaker 5: and open up the front door. And he went down
Speaker 5: the steps of stairs and I opened up the front door,
Speaker 5: and he walked down the street and expelled that spirit.
Speaker 5: And he said, your friend knows you big time. I've
Speaker 5: only done that once before in my life and exorcism.
Speaker 5: So you know, if I didn't see these things with
Speaker 5: my own eyes, I would never believe it.
Speaker 1: And she was fine ever since.
Speaker 5: So those are my two stories, Rachel, I think.
Speaker 3: Those those stories are worth the price of admission. Those
Speaker 3: are those stories?
Speaker 5: Sure, so those are right stories. So shake hands.
Speaker 3: I happened to know this fall. She's a very intelligent woman,
Speaker 3: and she's not somebody who is naive in any way,
Speaker 3: shape or form. But if she would tell those stories
Speaker 3: in that way, believe me, they are they are what
Speaker 3: she witnessed. Trust me on that.
Speaker 5: Halloween's story anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so well, thank you, Dian.
Speaker 5: Nice talking with you and good.
Speaker 3: To talk with you. Julie.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, bye bye.
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, okay, yeah, this that I think there's
Speaker 3: stuff out there. Okay, you know I'm I'm not a skeptic.
Speaker 3: I'm not a cynic. I can't prove it, but I
Speaker 3: certainly when you hear stories like that, you think to yourself,
Speaker 3: there's more than than maybe what we know. Let's go
Speaker 3: to John and Quincy. See what John has to say. Hey, John,
Speaker 3: walking with Rachel. Person who's a real to hear in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: Welcome, Thanks, always a pleasure to Dean. I hope to well.
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Speaker 3: But I'm hopeless. I'm hopeless.
Speaker 1: You're a hell of a hockey player, not a bad
Speaker 1: baseball player. Speaking of which, the eighties are of four
Speaker 1: or five nothing. I'm was hoping they wouldn't so they'd
Speaker 1: be playing on All Saints Dale Soulsday Friday. But there's
Speaker 1: still we'll.
Speaker 3: See about that. I'm really not worried about that, because
Speaker 3: that's kind of my competition today. John, what's your question
Speaker 3: or comment or story for the recial.
Speaker 1: Person houses go? You can do like research and all
Speaker 1: that other stuff. He is, but like the gentlemen said,
Speaker 1: they were bodies, very possibly still borns. But it's in
Speaker 1: Canada he's talking about. Was he talking about New Brunswick
Speaker 1: and Nova Schools?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's up in New Brunswick, So I don't know
Speaker 3: what the rules of the road up are in New Hampshire,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure that the same technical capabilities that we
Speaker 3: have here my fourth Canada is not a third world country.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, oh thank god, and he can hand bend
Speaker 1: it and I'll be more than happy to ship the
Speaker 1: people up in terminally. But that being said, he paid
Speaker 1: twenty grand. If I can look exchange rate on Canadian American,
Speaker 1: will he take twenty grand back Canadian. But I believe
Speaker 1: in that stuff too, like they have those turn chairs.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a skeptical psychic, but you see these
Speaker 1: shows on the History Channel and the guys got like
Speaker 1: night visions and they see these ghosts and so forth
Speaker 1: and so on, So who knows, there could be something there.
Speaker 1: But when he said people being buried, my first thought was,
Speaker 1: remember when the Titanic sank and a lot of those
Speaker 1: people ended up up there and that's why we get
Speaker 1: the Christmas tree from Nova Scotia and stuff.
Speaker 3: But well, that was the Christmas tree from Nova Scotia.
Speaker 3: I think they had they had some sort of disaster
Speaker 3: up in Halifax, and I think we sent some aid
Speaker 3: up and that's that's their way of faking us every year.
Speaker 3: Would you let me ask you this, John, if if
Speaker 3: you found a house that you liked and you lost
Speaker 3: the realtor, is this house you know, haunted or or
Speaker 3: has anything bad happened here? And Rachel's the realtor Rachel
Speaker 3: in Massachusetts. The rules of the road. If he said
Speaker 3: is the house haunted whether you know or not? As
Speaker 3: a real to we don't almost recognize that as reality.
Speaker 3: So you're not obligating to answer that. But if he
Speaker 3: said to you, has there been a death to this
Speaker 3: house and you knew, let us say that they have
Speaker 3: been a murder five years ago or ten years ago,
Speaker 3: you would be obligated, as I understand that on the
Speaker 3: Lower Massachusetts to disclose right right, Well, you're.
Speaker 1: An attorney and she's a real estate agent. I can
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Like somebody told me, you'd appreciate this Daniel
Speaker 1: lawyer as well. And she said, if the pots thinks, you,
Speaker 1: don't stir it. But on the other side of the corner,
Speaker 1: guy that grew up with my dad, they both World
Speaker 1: War two guys. One guy went to the bus and police.
Speaker 1: My father went to the bus and fight it turned
Speaker 1: down the troopers. Thank god, he's good. They're in a
Speaker 1: hot mess. But that being said, he said, you never
Speaker 1: voluntary information, and no, But what's.
Speaker 3: The ploy of making John?
Speaker 1: My point is you're always better off being buying a
Speaker 1: bad house and a great neighbor good than a good
Speaker 1: house and a bad you know what I'm saying the
Speaker 1: opposite side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. But the point I think you
Speaker 3: missed the point of what I was trying to make.
Speaker 3: The point I'm trying to make not only to you
Speaker 3: but to the audience, is that if if you were
Speaker 3: buying this house from Rachel in Massachusetts and you missed her,
Speaker 3: was there has this house and she knew about it?
Speaker 3: Has a murder occurred in this house and she knew
Speaker 3: about it? She would be obligated to tell you.
Speaker 4: Correct, Rachel, I'm not necessary. I don't know if I
Speaker 4: have to disclose that it was a murderer, I have
Speaker 4: to disclose that someone died in the home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so, but let's assume that whatever. So, John,
Speaker 3: my question to you, John, John, as there as the
Speaker 3: buyer here and you liked the house, would that dissuade
Speaker 3: you from buying the house?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Here's my sore. Sorry, So when you when you
Speaker 1: do get a purchase and sale agreement in today's market,
Speaker 1: you know ninety some of the people are pre approved.
Speaker 1: There is a certain laws in Massachusetts, Canada. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure you know you know you have you can we
Speaker 1: send that No.
Speaker 3: We would you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, do me a favorite John, just would be I would.
Speaker 1: Buy I would buy it because I would, so.
Speaker 3: You would not be you would not be be scared
Speaker 3: off from purchasing the only.
Speaker 1: Way I would back out of it. The only way
Speaker 1: I would back out of it is like maybe years later,
Speaker 1: like you find this out, like it could have been
Speaker 1: a hospital, still bonds of this and that, but like
Speaker 1: do they have a full basement there or is it
Speaker 1: like a call space or what's the deal? Is it
Speaker 1: a foundation?
Speaker 3: I don't know about the house in New Brunswick. You're
Speaker 3: going back to the house in New Friendswick. I have
Speaker 3: simply described it as a drift floor. And he's not
Speaker 3: on the line with us. My my interest is hearing
Speaker 3: you say that, yeah, you would buy the house if
Speaker 3: you like the house. Rachel, from your experience as a realtor, Uh,
Speaker 3: have people asked you this question before and you had
Speaker 3: to answer the question?
Speaker 4: I personally haven't, But I asked my mom and she
Speaker 4: said that she has had asked people asked before, and
Speaker 4: she said, well, you know, it's in the state sale
Speaker 4: and the father did die here of natural causes, and
Speaker 4: the son did also die here of natural causes. And
Speaker 4: the buyer said, thank you very much, we're all set
Speaker 4: and turned around and walked away.
Speaker 3: So you're saying that John would be the exception of
Speaker 3: the most of the people. Yeah, I don't know. Interesting,
Speaker 3: it's most people are never going to first of all,
Speaker 3: asked the question, most houses do not have any sort
Speaker 3: of a violent death occur? Obviously in older houses, as
Speaker 3: Rachel has said, now the chances, the probability are in
Speaker 3: a house that's a couple of hundred years old that
Speaker 3: back in the in the old days, people weren't rushed
Speaker 3: to the hospital. They died in their bed, right.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why they called it the powa like a
Speaker 1: funeral pollow, because they have to wake in the in
Speaker 1: the living room.
Speaker 3: I learned something there. Okay, now I had not been y.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they put people in the living room to see
Speaker 4: if they woke up. And oftentimes if you go into
Speaker 4: older houses, you'll see that there's like an indent in
Speaker 4: the staircase that a lot of people now they'll put
Speaker 4: like vases or whatever. And that's called a coffin corner.
Speaker 4: So that when they would go upstairs to the second
Speaker 4: floor to go retrieve a body, to say, you get
Speaker 4: a coffin down the stairs.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's interesting when you use the word coffin corner.
Speaker 3: In football, when a kicker is able to put the ball,
Speaker 3: a puncher is able to put the ball out like
Speaker 3: inside the five yard line. The announcers used to refer
Speaker 3: to it as the coffin corner. We're learning a lot here,
Speaker 3: Hey John, I hate to do this to your buddy,
Speaker 3: but we're run out of town. Great call, Thank you,
Speaker 3: tell you this.
Speaker 1: I'll have you. I'll have you hit in a wedge
Speaker 1: within five feet of that coffin corner and you won't
Speaker 1: have to worry about second a putt because you will
Speaker 1: and you owe me a bit, all.
Speaker 3: Right, John, I'll take that up on it, Thanks man,
Speaker 3: doctor John, Thank you. Uh, we've got to take a
Speaker 3: little break. I got worn and fall River calling up
Speaker 3: and we'll be back on night side. I could probably
Speaker 3: fit another call or too in if you want to
Speaker 3: be a vent some six months, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 3: ten thirty six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
Speaker 3: My guess, Rachel person, we're talking about again. This is
Speaker 3: Halloween Eve, the night before Halloween, and we're talking about
Speaker 3: haunted homes. And if you were to buy a home
Speaker 3: or be interested in a home that you liked, and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you found out that someone had
Speaker 3: died unexpectedly, there with that dissuade you from following through
Speaker 3: uh on the on the purchase, I think where you
Speaker 3: can see we have different reactions from different people. Will
Speaker 3: be right back on Nightside.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: Back to the phones, we go for Rachel Person, realtor
Speaker 3: from Newburyport who was licensed to sell homes, particularly antique homes,
Speaker 3: and uh, well that's part of her specialty here in
Speaker 3: Massachusetts and New Hampshire. War and next on Nightside, go
Speaker 3: on hits her.
Speaker 6: Hey Rachel, Hey, Dan, Hey, We're gonna like this story.
Speaker 6: I I grew up in Marlborough, in Marlboro, mass in
Speaker 6: a mansion that was haunted.
Speaker 1: The house was.
Speaker 6: Built in eighteen ninety six, all right, It had a
Speaker 6: made quarters and it had all the actually had a
Speaker 6: belts in it too, all right. And my father got
Speaker 6: the got the mansion and two and a half aches
Speaker 6: of land back in nineteen seventy five for eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Wow. How many square feet in the mansion did?
Speaker 6: I can't venture? I guess I counted the rooms in it.
Speaker 6: It was like twenty six rooms.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But anyways, but the story goes, you know, is like
Speaker 6: the people that lived before us, before we moved in,
Speaker 6: there were a group of devil worshipers. So every door,
Speaker 6: every door led to the outside had an upside down
Speaker 6: red cross over it. And yeah, we've had freaky things
Speaker 6: happen in it, like we had we have like back
Speaker 6: stairways to the third floor where you would literally hear
Speaker 6: someone going up and down the stairs and chuck the
Speaker 6: stairs and no one would be on there.
Speaker 3: Did this freak you out as a kid before?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: God, yeah, oh yeah, it freaked us out as a kid.
Speaker 6: You know, we actually would have bats in the house.
Speaker 6: You know, we would get a bat lying in a
Speaker 6: in the second floor hallway and you know, going back
Speaker 6: and forth and all stuff like that. And you know,
Speaker 6: one day, my sister was having her friends over for
Speaker 6: us over and three point thirty in the morning, we
Speaker 6: hear a horrible scream from come down, come from the downstairs,
Speaker 6: and one of the bats is on her girlfriend's heads.
Speaker 3: I can understand why you would hear us.
Speaker 6: Of course, that course to the sibling. I'm laughing, right,
Speaker 6: I'm laughing, And you know, and you know her, her
Speaker 6: sister's friend never came back over the house.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand that. I I yeah, yeah, but how
Speaker 3: long did you live there? When did you leave there?
Speaker 3: I mean how?
Speaker 6: Oh god, well we had the like I lived there
Speaker 6: through my my teenage years and yeah we I probably
Speaker 6: lived in there for like fifteen years.
Speaker 3: And you sleep well at night, Warren? Did you sleep
Speaker 3: well at night?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't.
Speaker 6: No, you would have there would be cold spots, there
Speaker 6: would be yeah, stuff like that, and there would be
Speaker 6: this and that, and you'd wait, you know, you.
Speaker 3: Know, did your dad ever explain to let me ask
Speaker 3: you why did your dad buy? I mean, it sounds
Speaker 3: like it was a good investment, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it would yeah, it would sound like great,
Speaker 6: great investment, great piece of land. Just that it's always
Speaker 6: on the dead end street.
Speaker 3: Don't say dead end street here that that would scare
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 6: No, no, but we were on the dead end street
Speaker 6: where the last house we were actually the last house.
Speaker 1: On the bus.
Speaker 3: Do you have a lot of friends come over, Warren?
Speaker 5: And no?
Speaker 6: Actually no, Actually, you know if you were playing in
Speaker 6: our yard, yeah, all the new neighborhood kIPS came over
Speaker 6: and we would play We would actually play baseball in
Speaker 6: the in the backyard, you know, we would actually, Warren.
Speaker 3: We're flat out of time. But thank you, thank you
Speaker 3: for that story.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, I hope I'm glad that you enjoyed.
Speaker 3: It, so we sure did. Thanks War, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3: All right to the calls in the line. Unfortunately we've
Speaker 3: run out of time, Rachel. If folks are looking to
Speaker 3: purchase an empty comb threw you up in northern Massachusetts,
Speaker 3: New Hampshire, how can they get in touch with you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, well they If you have TikTok, you can
Speaker 4: follow me on TikTok at tol person Real Tour, and
Speaker 4: you can also go to our website. It's my mother
Speaker 4: and I. It's person and person g r P dot com.
Speaker 1: That wonderful all.
Speaker 3: One word person in person, one word g r u
Speaker 3: P group the word group dot com. Okay, great, Rachel,
Speaker 3: thank you very much. You're a good sport and I
Speaker 3: learned a lot. Thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 4: Happy Halloween, Yes, happy Halloween to you.
Speaker 3: I don't know how well I'll sleep tonight. Thanks very much, Rachel.
Speaker 3: All Right, we get back. I'm going to go back
Speaker 3: to politics and open up the phone lines on the
Speaker 3: latest UH allegations back and forth between the Trump campaign,
Speaker 3: the Harris campaign, and now it involves former president by
Speaker 3: not former president but current President Biden, and allegations of
Speaker 3: the phrase garbage. I think I think we've hit a
Speaker 3: low point American politics. Be back on Nightside right after
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