WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.919 All right, let's get a drivetime Wednesday afternoon style, thirteen 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:07.000 minutes past the hour of two o'clock, scorching hot day. 3 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:10.960 It's about ninety six degrees and sunny here in downtown 4 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:12.960 Salt Lake City, Utah. It looks like we have some 5 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:16.640 cooler temperatures coming our way starting on Sunday and then 6 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:17.559 throughout the course. 7 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:18.120 Of next week. 8 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:20.440 As it is every single day. It's good to have 9 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:22.719 you along for the riot. Spence checkets behind the mic. 10 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:26.519 That is Porter Larsen Beyond the Glass today producing the program, 11 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:29.079 booking the show, some good guests on the program today 12 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:31.800 to talk about a bevy of different things. Happy Wednesday 13 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:34.799 to you. You are halfway through that work week. You're 14 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:37.399 one day closer to the weekend. Hopefully you're having a 15 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:39.560 good work week. As we inche closer and closer to 16 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:41.600 game day. It is game week in the world of 17 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.640 college football. Is week zero. It's gone coming up this weekend, 18 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:49.439 and then we are ten days away from Utah football, 19 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.320 ten days away from Utah the Rose Bowl against UCLA, 20 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:56.039 ten days away from Young Bear Bachmeyer taking the field 21 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:59.280 for Brigham Young against Portland State, and the Bronco mennenh 22 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:03.240 Hall era begins in Logan with a matchup against UTAP 23 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:05.920 So all three of our local teams at action in 24 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.200 ten days from right now. Of course, Week zero will 25 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.359 get going with a big tilt in Dublin, Ireland at 26 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.599 ten am on Saturday. It's Iowa State and Kansas State 27 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.359 as well. All be eager to learn a little bit 28 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:20.920 more about a couple of the Big Twelve opponents and 29 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:24.519 foes that Utah and BYU have to deal with. Idaho 30 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.560 State will take on UNLV got little Fresno State, Kansas 31 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:32.000 Actions another Big twelve team playing Stanford and Hawaii Sam Houston, 32 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:36.599 Western Kentucky as well. So Week zero starting on Saturday, 33 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.480 and then Week one we'll begin on Thursday of next week, 34 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:44.400 August the twenty eighth. Boise State is in South Florida. 35 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:47.000 We've got a bunch of good games on that Thursday night. 36 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:50.000 They'll be watching a lot of the opponents that Utah, 37 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:53.719 BYU and Utah State have. We've got Friday action in 38 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.640 college football next week, more Big twelve actions and big 39 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.560 non con Big Twelve games. Georgia Tech, Colorado, Auburn and Baylor. 40 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.599 Auburn will be at mclains Stadium in Waco, and if 41 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:06.680 you're a Big twelve fan, you've got to be cheering 42 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:08.479 for these non con. 43 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:10.000 Games to go the way of the Big Twelve. 44 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.960 We'll do some college football in the show today. The 45 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:18.840 CFP Selection Committee has announced some enhanced metrics but they're 46 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:21.520 going to use to select the teams in advance to 47 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.800 the CFP. There is a December first deadline for the 48 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:27.080 agreement of the new CFP format to be put in 49 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.240 place or else he's just going to kind of remain 50 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:31.199 the same for next year. And I want to get 51 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.560 into the difference between innovation and just change. Brian Rolapp, 52 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.439 Friend of the program. Brian Rolap actually is the new 53 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:40.639 CEO of the PGA Tour, and for the first time 54 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:44.800 he addressed the group of media at East Lake in 55 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:46.439 preparation for the tour championship. 56 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:46.680 Today. 57 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:50.199 They're forming a new committee led by Tiger Woods to 58 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.680 implement innovation and change on the PGA Tour. But college 59 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:59.080 football seems to lack innovation and simply lean into change 60 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:00.000 for the sake of change. 61 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:00.879 So I want to get into that. 62 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.360 On the show today to see if we can understand 63 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:05.680 the landscape of college football a little bit better. RSL 64 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.360 One day closer to the weekend for Reale Salt Lake. 65 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:12.560 They are taking on Minnesota out in Sandy coming up 66 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:16.759 on Saturday. It is a big, big match for the boys. 67 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:19.240 We're here for the lads. Seven thirty First kick on 68 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:23.439 MLS Season Pass on Apple TV. RSL dropping a couple 69 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:26.080 of road matches, some tough calls going against the boys, 70 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:28.520 So we'll get you ready for that match and talk 71 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:32.840 a little Raal saw Lake. The secondary transfer window closes 72 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.039 tomorrow and some rumors that there could be an addition 73 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:40.159 on the way for RSL for the final eight matches 74 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:42.520 of the season, and the final eight matches feature five 75 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:44.960 at home. Probably safe to say they need to win 76 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.759 all five of the matches at home. No ties, no nil, 77 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.319 nil draws, go. 78 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:50.879 Get all three. 79 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:54.680 And the latest that continues to spilling on this beef 80 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:56.919 with the current US men's national team players and kind 81 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:58.919 of some of the X guys that are criticizing them 82 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.879 soft young generation. You gotta deal with it, so we'll 83 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:04.840 get it out on the show lot to do on 84 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:08.719 the program. Inching closer and closer to pro football, Lamar 85 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:13.120 Jackson had to leave Ravens practice today with what looked 86 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.319 like a wrist injury, but the reports are he's okay. 87 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:15.719 There was a. 88 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:20.000 Scuffle down in Tennessee featuring cam Ward Scott. Mitchell joined 89 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:22.480 us yesterday and talked about the complications of this time 90 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.600 of year when you're in camp and all you want 91 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:26.360 to do is hit somebody else. You're sick of hitting, you, 92 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:28.920 your teammates. You just want to get out there and play. 93 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.600 So inching closer and closer to the starter. Pro Football. 94 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.839 Week three of the NFL preseason gets roll, coming up 95 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:39.600 on Thursday, and then Week one a week from next Thursday, 96 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.279 September the fourth with the Cowboys. 97 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.319 Will Mi Caa Parsons be on the roster. 98 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.439 Charlotte Jones is the latest Jones to put her foot 99 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:51.240 in her mouth as she made some comments today about 100 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.240 the landscape of the Dallas Cowboys, the favorite football team 101 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:55.279 of that guy Porta Larson. 102 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.720 All Right, our first guest will be our friend Sammy 103 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:58.600 Morra from You Zone. 104 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.399 We'll do some Utah football camp Kyle, some fall football 105 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:02.920 with Sammy on the show. 106 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:04.240 Matt Brown, what are our favorites? 107 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:06.879 From the College Football newsletter? Extra Points stops by. We'll 108 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.920 do the latest on the CFP format. There's an interesting 109 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.240 dynamic happening throughout the landscape of college athletics as far 110 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.959 as employees for athletic departments that are being squeezed out. 111 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.000 You know, a lot of the athletic directors and higher 112 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:24.360 ranked executives are being paid a lot of money and 113 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.879 the staffers are not, and they're being asked to do 114 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:29.920 more these days, and Matt wrote about that. We're going 115 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:31.240 to get into that with Matt today and we'll do 116 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:32.399 some college football with him. 117 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:33.519 Good friend of the. 118 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:35.959 Program, Tony Park stops five Voice of the Bees. We'll 119 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.480 do a little bit of everything with Tony. We'll do 120 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.279 some college football, some offseason jazz, and we'll get the 121 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.480 latest on the Bees with TP. Then the head coach 122 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.639 over Al saw Lake. Even though he was awarded a 123 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.079 red card yesterday, Porter, I've rescinded that and I've made 124 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.120 it a soft yellow, so I've allowed Pablo to come 125 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:50.800 on the show today. 126 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:55.040 There we go, how are you appealing to the league office? Indeed, indeed, 127 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:55.639 how'd that go? 128 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:57.519 It was a proof. 129 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.560 So even though a red card indicates kicked him off 130 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.399 yesterday and kick him off today soft yellow, We're gonna 131 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:03.800 let him on. 132 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.560 For Pablo. I support it for Pablo. I do support it. 133 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.319 So we're good there old soccer players. No, they don't 134 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.079 get a pass. How's your Wednesday, Val, Wednesday's good. Halfway 135 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.319 through the work week. In ten days, Spencer checkets away 136 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:19.959 from football here in the great state of Utah, which 137 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:22.399 should be a really exciting year, I think in college 138 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:25.560 football in the state of Utah. Bronco Mendenhall, Kyle Whittingham, 139 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:30.240 Klonie Satake, Morgan Scally, who may join the show later 140 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:30.720 this week. 141 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.000 I believe, stop it, don't tease me. We'd never get 142 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.600 Morgan on the show in waiting. 143 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.680 I guess I want to call it right. It gives 144 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.480 a little feel of, of course, when Kyle was like 145 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.360 very much the head next head coach because Urban was 146 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.000 clearly going to either take an NFL job or in 147 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.079 Ohio State Florida USC type gig right, there's a little 148 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:52.480 bit of that feel with him on the way out. 149 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:55.519 Obviously different with Kyle maybe retiring in the next I 150 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:59.399 don't know one to ten years. Who knows with that guy, 151 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.279 But excited for it and yeah, ten days away frum 152 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:03.439 kickoff right. 153 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:04.000 Around the corner. 154 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:06.399 Our first guest today will be Sammy Moro from Mute 155 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:08.680 Zone to give us the latest on the Utah football 156 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.399 situation as far as training camp goes, maybe some positional battles. 157 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:17.000 We did find out yesterday that Isaac Wilson is your 158 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:17.480 QB two. 159 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:19.160 Most of the positional battles seem to. 160 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:21.120 Be relatively settled, but we'll see what Sammy has to 161 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:22.079 say about that today. 162 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:23.480 But before we. 163 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.800 Bring on Sammy on a Wednesday afternoon, courtesy if our 164 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:29.160 good friends, and you're good friends too at Prize Picks, it's. 165 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.680 Time now for your opening tip. 166 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:33.920 Welcome to the Drive with Spence check its on Utah's 167 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.319 number one sports talk now into the studios of ESPN 168 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:40.120 seven hundred to set them on a scene for the show. 169 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:42.439 The opening tip of the Drive is brought to you 170 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:46.560 by Prize Picks. 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Brian Rolapp front of the show. 201 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.919 He joined us a couple of years back. Brian Rolap 202 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.279 is now the CEO of the PGA Tour. Okay, and 203 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.000 it was announced today as Brian Rolapp, who spent twenty 204 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.799 two years as Roger Goodell's right hand man. Brian is 205 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.279 a sharp, good dude. I've known him for a long time. 206 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.000 Great family, really good people. If he wanted to wait 207 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:26.919 it out, he would have been and maybe still will 208 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.679 be the next commissioner of Pro Football. 209 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.000 He would have been the successor to Roger Goodell. 210 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:36.639 All of the NFL revenue streams generated by TV deals. 211 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.480 He is the brain power behind all of those deals. Okay, 212 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:45.919 So the media behemoth it is live TV rights behind 213 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:49.399 pro Football is the brainchild of Brian Rolap, who has 214 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:51.120 now taken over the PGA Tour. 215 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:51.559 Okay. 216 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.039 So listening to Brian today as he addressed the group 217 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:58.200 at Eastlake as the Tour Championship is get getting ready 218 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.279 to get underway. Scottie sh with the shortest odds to 219 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.600 win that tournament since Tiger in two thousand and nine, 220 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:09.279 Brian has decided to implement a new committee led by 221 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:14.440 one Tiger Woods to essentially enact what he's calling quote 222 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.279 significant change to the tour's current model. Okay, and I'm 223 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:19.679 really excited. We're not going to do a ton of 224 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:22.080 golf here. I will land the plane, trust me. We 225 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:25.039 are going to bring this back around. But I'm very 226 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:27.519 We're gonna have Rex Hoguard on the show tomorrow from 227 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:29.600 the Golf Channel, so excited to talk to him about this. 228 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.639 But on I would say five or six different occasions, 229 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.200 Brian used the term innovation, okay, to. 230 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.039 What as far as what they're going to try to 231 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:39.919 do to kind of. 232 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:45.200 Get this this you know, certain dynamic with the PGA Tour, 233 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.799 just kind of bring it back around to take advantage 234 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:51.480 of the popularity of golf right now. Golf has boomed 235 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:53.919 across the world in a way that the sport's never 236 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.480 seen and Brian is a really interesting guy to lead 237 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:02.240 this endeavor during this landscape change interest spike in the game. 238 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.000 So a lot of innovation, a lot of change to 239 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:06.879 the tour, a lot of innovation, a lot of change 240 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:09.320 to media partners to try to make the game more 241 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:11.559 accessible to fans and also try to unite the best 242 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:13.679 players in the world because as we know, Live Golf 243 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.639 still has you know, maybe four of the top seven 244 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.159 or eight players in the world, with John Rahm and 245 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:21.679 Bryce and De'shambeau and you know some of the other 246 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:25.639 players they have Brooks, Kepkin and such. So I'm excited 247 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.639 to see how this plays out with Tiger in charge. 248 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.440 There's some other PGA Tour players are going to be 249 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:35.639 on this committee, Patrick Cantley, Adam Scott, Maverick Maverick McNeely 250 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:38.399 and Keith Mitchell and others. But there's a big difference 251 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.159 because I was thinking about this through the prism of 252 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.360 the audacity of the Big ten to even say out 253 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:48.279 loud that they want a new CFP model that includes 254 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.679 twenty eight football teams, seven auto bids from the Big Ten, 255 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.639 seven auto bids from the SEC, five from the Big twelve, 256 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:59.480 five from the ACC, then a few four some of 257 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.559 the FPS school or excuse me, the non P four schools, 258 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.279 and then a couple of at large bids. The audacity 259 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.639 to even say it out loud, let alone to believe 260 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:11.799 that you think anybody would take you seriously. Like the 261 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:14.960 main issue with college football right now has and it's 262 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:17.320 it's been the main issue for a while. It's the 263 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:19.360 main issue right now, and it will be the main 264 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:23.879 issue until they settle in to a different ecosystem and structure. 265 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:25.679 Overall, there's nobody in charge. 266 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.519 And because there's nobody in charge, the audacity of the 267 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.159 Big Ten to even float this model out there. And now, 268 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:33.320 I will give the SEC a little bit of credit, 269 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.879 you know, they have kind of walked back a little bit, 270 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:40.600 you know, kind of their initial messaging that we're the SEC, 271 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:41.799 so we should get whatever we want. 272 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:43.000 Really, the Big. 273 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:44.960 Ten these days are causing all the problems. You can 274 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.000 make an argument that the Big Ten is the best 275 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:50.039 football conference in America. I don't think it's the deepest, 276 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.600 but maybe at the top it's the best. But the 277 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.039 audacity to even float this thing out there, it is 278 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:58.759 beyond stupid. Because what makes college football great, what has 279 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:02.960 always made college football is the urgency and the prescient 280 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:04.799 nature of every weekend. 281 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:08.279 Every time your team plays, it feels like it's. 282 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.000 Life or death because you suffer a loss in conference 283 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.080 and suddenly everything shifts. You suffer your first loss of 284 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.360 the season when BYU is independent. As soon as they 285 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.159 lost the game. It's like, Okay, Idaho Potato Bowl, Hawaii Bowl. 286 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.399 We know your destination. Now, you just got to go 287 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.480 get six wins, even if some of those wins against 288 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.519 like UMass or like East Carolina or that joke of 289 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.399 a schedule they had for years. But now that you're 290 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:34.360 at a conference, the urgency week to week it feels 291 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:39.240 so immediate and it feels so intense that any endeavor 292 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.039 that you undertake to undermine that dynamic of your sport 293 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.159 will start to drain the interests of it. 294 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:45.559 It will. 295 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.519 Now the problem right now if you're just a college 296 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:53.320 football consumer, is that the powers that be, even though 297 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.240 there's nobody in charge, there certainly are college commissioners, and 298 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:57.639 we know the Big ten of the SEC and the 299 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:00.679 landscape of college football, wield most of the power. They 300 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.039 know that they've got you. They know they got their 301 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:07.200 hooks in you. They know that with the combination of 302 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.120 simply your joy of watching your favorite football team, combined 303 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:15.000 with the new widespread acceptance of putting money on games, 304 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:19.000 that there's almost nothing they can do that will motivate 305 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:19.399 you to. 306 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:20.440 Turn off your television. 307 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.480 And this is a little bit of a spillover effect 308 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.879 of pro football because pro football for years, we've heard 309 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.919 a lot of people say, oh man, this will be 310 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:32.240 the thing that drains interest in the NFL, and you 311 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.799 know what, it's never the thing. It's never the thing 312 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:37.879 that leads to people turning off their televisions or stopping 313 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.799 going to games, whether it's the head injuries, whether it's 314 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.799 the CTE, whether it is you know, players being suspended 315 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:48.879 for gambling on games they play in, the danger of 316 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.000 the sport, the culture of the sport, the wokeness of 317 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:55.600 the sport, whatever it is leaning into this, that or whatever, 318 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:59.679 There's never been anything that has transpired in the history 319 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:03.080 of pro football's evolution that has motivated a large enough 320 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.960 group of people to turn the TV off, that motivates 321 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:07.159 them to change what they're doing. 322 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.120 They can do what they've been doing. 323 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.720 And honestly, screw a few things up here or there, 324 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:14.720 and y'all are still gonna watch. And they know that, 325 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.879 which is why they have the audacity to float out 326 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:22.840 an idea of a twenty eight team expanded CFP. Baylor 327 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:25.600 would have been playing for the national championship last year 328 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.519 if if this thing was real, And every year we 329 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.320 debate like who's the seventh best team in the Big 330 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.799 Ten who deserves to get in after the top six 331 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.600 have been decided. Like it would do away with conference 332 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.960 championship games, It would absolutely kill the prescient, urgent nature 333 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.399 of every single Saturday. And this is the thing that 334 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.279 if they lean into it, I actually believe some of 335 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.120 the interest week to week will will wane. There's a 336 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.879 difference between innovation and change for change's sake, and college 337 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:59.039 football strikes me as throwing a bunch of darts at 338 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:00.679 a dart board and hopes one sticks. 339 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:01.799 And then let's roll with that. 340 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.000 And Brian roll out the commission of the PGA Tour today, 341 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.600 I think gave a bit of a masterclass on leadership 342 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.840 and what it's like to put things in place intentionally, 343 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.679 with an organized approach, in order to capitalize on this 344 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.600 moment that golf has and has had for a few 345 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.600 years now with its popularity. Okay, things are good right 346 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.600 now in golf. Let's not rest on our laurels. Let's evolve, 347 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:26.120 let's innovate, let's improve. 348 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:26.919 Well. 349 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.279 College football, on the other side, has this built in 350 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.080 advantage of so many fans just loving it no matter what, 351 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:35.159 and they don't seem to give a rip about that. 352 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.120 All they want to do is change for change shake, 353 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:38.840 trying to make. 354 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.080 Me cry on the show today with extensive So what 355 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:43.720 do we got here? 356 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:44.320 What's the bump? 357 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:47.360 Little Chappelle roan Pink Pony Club on behalf of the guest. 358 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.039 Wait, is that how you pronounce it? I think so. 359 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:52.360 I thought it was Shapple. I honestly it might be. 360 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:57.159 It might be. You'll have to ask Sammy. I'm not again. Listen, 361 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:02.840 this is pretty new music, like brand new, but like 362 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:05.960 this century, so it's not really down my wheelhouse. 363 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.079 Well, we like to give our guests an opportunity select 364 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:10.240 their walk up song, so we'll bring in Sammy Mora, 365 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.400 our friend from you Zone. All right, Sammy, how do 366 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.079 you pronounce the artist's name? I honestly don't know. It's 367 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.480 Chapel roone, nice porter. 368 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.599 There we go. See. I'm not like that song though. 369 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:21.720 Bro. 370 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:24.279 I'm old enough to be really an older brother. But 371 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:26.000 if we stretch it and get weird, I'm old enough 372 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:26.519 to be your father. 373 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:27.680 Uh yeah, I know. 374 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:32.599 All right, Sammy. How are you happy Wednesday? I'm good, good, 375 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:33.519 Thank you for the time. 376 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.599 So let's start with the announcement that came down yesterday 377 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.480 that Isaac Wilson is officially QB two. He'll be backing 378 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.759 up Devin Dan Pierre, And I suppose Sammy the blessing 379 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.200 in disguise with Cam's son, you know, his inability to 380 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:50.240 stay healthy last year is Utah football as a backup 381 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.880 quarterback with a good amount of Big twelve experience, which 382 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:53.799 of course is a good thing. 383 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.319 What's your reaction to the news. 384 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:59.039 Well, I mean, you have Kyle say that that Isaac 385 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.880 is that backup quarter but then Jason Beck yesterday kind 386 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:05.839 of slightly contradicted him by saying that he sees it 387 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.920 as a two A and a two B versus a 388 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.960 two and a three, so saying and he was talking 389 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.480 about Bird Fickl and specifically, like he said that Bird 390 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:16.720 can get out there and get the job done if 391 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.799 they needed. But you know, it's kind of interesting to 392 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:20.839 hear Kyle say that Isaac is two and then you 393 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:23.279 hear Jason say that it's a two A two B 394 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:26.519 type of situation. But like you said, it, to a 395 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:30.119 certain extent, it's kind of a blessing in disguise, knowing 396 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.440 that Isaac does have all that experience coming into this season, 397 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.359 and I know you know, there's a lot of hesitation 398 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.720 about him and his play and stuff, especially how last 399 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.599 season went down. But the way that I see it is, 400 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:47.039 you know, I think that everybody, everyone in this quarterback room, 401 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:50.240 with the exception of Devin, came into this spring with 402 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:52.599 the clean slate. You know, they were all learning the 403 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:54.960 offense at the same time. It wasn't like someone had 404 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:56.799 been in the program for a little bit longer than 405 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.400 another one, so they had to edge up. But you know, 406 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:02.559 Isaac Bird, we're both on the same page, same playing field, 407 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.680 and you know, they this this battle went on from 408 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:09.079 the start of spring ball until literally Saturday when the 409 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.960 or Friday when the scrimmage ended. You know, like that's 410 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.799 a long time for these two to be going neck 411 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.359 and neck and back and forth. But I think it 412 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:19.200 proves that, you know, Isaac has made the stride that 413 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.440 he needs he needs to do to be more consistent 414 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:24.039 as a quarterback. You know, Kyle said that his in 415 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:26.880 head clock is is going off a lot faster, so 416 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:28.680 he's you can tell that the game is starting to 417 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.680 slow down for him. I think, you know, most people 418 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:34.240 hope that you only see Isaac in garbage time, you know, 419 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:36.519 in a couple of games this year. But I think 420 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.160 having a backup quarterback who has the experience is you know, 421 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.799 it's it's a positive, but you know, this isn't the 422 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:44.680 same offense that he ran last year. Like I always 423 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:46.960 joked that Andy Ludwig's offense, to a certain extent, you 424 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.960 needed like three PhDs, a Masters, and like a bunch 425 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.680 of other degrees to be able to do a checkdown 426 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:55.839 in the in the offense just because of how chaotic 427 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.599 and how the intense it was. And this offense is 428 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.039 a very lug and play user friendly type system from 429 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.920 what we've heard, So you know, it's going to be 430 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.519 interesting to see how Isaac you know, has adapted to it, 431 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:09.640 how he's he's grown in it and stuff like that. 432 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:11.759 But at the end of the day, I think, you know, 433 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.400 it is a it's it's a blessing in disguise. I 434 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.240 hope I know most Utah fans and I I think 435 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.720 everyone maybe include it. Hope that you know, you don't 436 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:23.440 see any of the backups for an extended period of 437 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.759 time this season, but if God forbid something were to happen, 438 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.119 you know it, it gives me at least a little 439 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:31.799 bit of comfort knowing that you know there is some 440 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:32.960 experience behind Devin. 441 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:35.599 Tell me what you've learned about Bird, because to your point, 442 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.079 it is kind of funny to hear Kyle emphatically announce 443 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:40.519 the backup and coach back Beck, wait, hold on a second, 444 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:43.279 and I wonder how much of the messaging is too. 445 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:46.039 It's just such a weird thing now. And obviously the 446 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:48.480 transfer portal is not open, but so many players, if 447 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:51.119 they're not happy with their lot, decide to withdraw and 448 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.480 maybe go elsewhere. I don't know how much of that 449 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:55.839 messaging is to you know, let Bird know, like, no, 450 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.200 we still like you. But in the instance I mean Sammy, 451 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:01.359 As you know, the pastast few years, it hasn't just 452 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:03.640 been QB one, QB two. I mean how we've seen 453 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.160 four and five quarterbacks at times. So if we do 454 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.000 see Bird this year, and we hope that we only 455 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:11.079 see Devin, to your point, what have you learned about him? 456 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:12.640 What kind of quarterback is bird? Ficklin? 457 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:17.640 Well, bird is Beck even said that Bird does things 458 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:20.759 a lot similarly a lot, more like a lot, the 459 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:24.759 same way that Devin does things Bird. So it's like 460 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:26.960 the fun fact that I have about birds. He's a leftist, 461 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:28.400 so you know, they kind of have to, you know, 462 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:30.440 shift a few things here and there because of you know, 463 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:33.319 the left tended quarterback. But other than that, like, he's 464 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:35.119 a he's a big guy. He's up to two hundred 465 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:39.000 pounds now. He's very, very, very mobile. Like that was 466 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.799 one of the things that I think was when I 467 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:43.480 watched his high school tape, you know, late in the cycle, 468 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:46.559 when Utah started pushing really hard for him down the stretch. 469 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:49.960 He's a fast guy, he's very shifty, he's hard to 470 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.119 bring down. And you know, I can see a lot 471 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:57.319 of the same qualities that Devin Dampier has in Bird Ficklin. 472 00:21:57.720 --> 00:21:59.839 I mean, you know, yeah, he's still young and you're 473 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.480 you're gonna have to see how he adapts to, you know, 474 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.599 playing in a live snap and stuff like that. But 475 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:09.559 from just a film standpoint and just watching his high 476 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:11.319 school film and watching the little bit we've got to 477 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.440 watch in the spring, Bird plays very similarly to Devin. 478 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.599 He's very mobile, he he is he's elusive. Like there 479 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.160 were times that like when you go back and watch 480 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.119 high school film and even like, you know, I think 481 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.440 there was a moment during the spring game where it 482 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:27.759 looks like he's dead in the water, like the defense 483 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:29.720 is going to get to him and he is somehow 484 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.160 able to get out of there and turn it into 485 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:37.400 a positive play. I you know, outside wise, I like 486 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.160 where Bird is at. You know, maybe it's for the 487 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.759 best that he sits for a year, gets his feet wet, 488 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:43.759 gets his feet underneath him, and the game starts to 489 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.160 slow down because you know, if Devin has a massive 490 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.079 season this year, you know, Utah could have a wide 491 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.519 open quarterback spot heading into next season, and you know 492 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:54.839 we might have this whole battle all over again between 493 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:58.920 Bird and Isaac, depending on if someone Alexa transfer or not. 494 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.720 But there's a lot If you haven't went and watched 495 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:06.359 birds highlight reel from high school, I encourage everyone too. 496 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:09.039 It is. It is a very fun highlight reel to watch. 497 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:11.880 How is that wide receiver room shaken out? I know 498 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:13.559 I asked you this last week, and I'll ask you 499 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:17.079 this probably up until we actually see see the games 500 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.720 and see what they look like. Coach Witz said they've landed. 501 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:22.000 I think he said seven or eight. And the reason 502 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.559 that number is applicable is that's how many you travel with. 503 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:26.599 And we'll see. 504 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:29.240 I mean when asked about it, Devin has good things 505 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:32.039 to say. The wide receivers were made available last week. 506 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:34.039 They all said things you'd expect them to say in 507 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.319 fall camp. But any thoughts on who wide receiver one is, 508 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.160 wide receiver two is how that room is kind of 509 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:41.279 shaping out as of now. 510 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.680 So I honestly I said this to you last week, 511 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:47.680 but I still think Tobias Merriweather is going to be 512 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:50.039 wide receiver one. I mean, it's kind of hard to 513 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:51.920 say who's going to be where on a depth chart 514 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.640 considering Kyle, So we're not getting depth charts anymore, which 515 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.119 I know, like there's people that are like what we 516 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.960 need them, but I'm like, honestly pert past game one, 517 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:02.839 nothing really ever changed on a Utah depth chart unless 518 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.000 someone had a season ending injury, so you just kind 519 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:07.920 of had to like base it off of what you're seeing, 520 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.160 uh like during war ups and stuff. But I will 521 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.759 say that Tobias I think is is wide receiver one. 522 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.279 We've heard a lot of great things about him coming 523 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.359 out of camp, and you know, he's a big he's 524 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.440 a big guy, big playmaker, and I think that he 525 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:25.079 could be like a very dynamic pass catcher for this 526 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:30.240 Utah offense. I still am very uh bullish on Larry 527 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.480 Simmons at that wide receiver wide receiver two position, just 528 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:36.920 you know, another guy, big guy, he can make a 529 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.759 big downfield plays, a big playmaker, threat guy, very good 530 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:44.119 at making contested catches too, So I'm still high on him. 531 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:46.559 And then but the slot receiver position is one that 532 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:49.279 I over the last few weeks have kind of went 533 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.559 back and forth with. You know, at the beginning of fall, 534 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:54.200 I honestly thought it was going to be it was 535 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:55.759 going to be Ryan Davis, and then I didn't know 536 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:59.279 who was going to be at the two. But now 537 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.359 I honestly if there was a depth chart, which I think, 538 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:05.279 I think that that's I think it would be Ryan 539 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:08.559 Davis or Creed with him or now just you know, 540 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:10.279 we've heard good things about both of them coming out 541 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:13.039 of fault camp. But you know, Creed really really really 542 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:14.920 came on the last few weeks, and I think that 543 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.559 he's firmly worked his way into that rotation and he 544 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.359 might even you know, at some point this season he 545 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:24.960 could possibly overtake RD depending on how his production is 546 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.519 going and stuff like that. But that that that slot 547 00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.640 spot has kind of evolved for me over the last 548 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:31.640 few weeks. 549 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.759 So you sent out a tweet, Sammy, and I followed 550 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:37.920 you last week when you joined the show, and you're 551 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.559 a great follow I'll encourage people to follow Sammy at 552 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.039 s Underscore more two four seven. That got quite a 553 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:46.960 lot of attention, and it was the you were the 554 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.079 first person I saw tweet this. I later listened to 555 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:52.000 the sound as Devin Dampier said that he sometimes has 556 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:54.799 up to eight seconds in the pocket with the Utah 557 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.880 offensive line the big boys blocking up front, and it 558 00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:59.920 got got quite a lot of attention. Looked like some 559 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.440 YU fans decided they wanted to chime in, which I'll 560 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.559 you know, it's always kind of an interesting dynamic that way, but. 561 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.119 Look, it is the positional group. 562 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:12.079 Like ESPN did their top one hundred players in college 563 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:15.440 football today, Spencer is at seven in the entire country 564 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.359 at any position, you know. And I was thinking about 565 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:19.920 this the other day. I was just kind of doing 566 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.920 some prep for the show. We never talk about Michael 567 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.160 Mokafi Si. He has thirty three starts under his belt 568 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:28.640 and all the attentions on like Spencer and Caleb and 569 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:32.319 Jared's a captain. So tell me about your thoughts with 570 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.839 that dynamic and certainly going up against Utah's defense projected 571 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:37.200 to be one of the best in the Big twelve. 572 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.480 Do you really feel like the old line has that 573 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:40.640 type of performance in him? 574 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.799 I honestly do. Like you know, this is like you said, 575 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.079 there's a lot of experience on this line. You know, 576 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.559 Spencer and Caleb are getting most of the of the 577 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.319 preseason praise and stuff, but you got to remember to 578 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:54.960 know what Togi. I Also, he graded out as one 579 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.960 of PFF's top guards last season. Like he is also 580 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:01.480 a high, high level play. So you know, it's not 581 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:03.519 just the tackles that are good at what they do. 582 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.119 Those three interior guys are also really well. And it's 583 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:08.880 it's good that you bring up Moco because you know, 584 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:10.960 people seem to forget People seem to just use that 585 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.440 last season as the reason why, you know, maybe he's 586 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:15.599 not playing the best and stuff, but he got hurt 587 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.759 last season, he didn't play majority, he didn't play majority 588 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:20.960 of the season. So but before that, I mean, I 589 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.759 can think of times his freshman in his sophomore year 590 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.160 where he was making some really big plays that made 591 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:29.440 everyone really excited for his future. And so you know, 592 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.759 those thirty three starts, those are going to be really important. 593 00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.359 And I think, you know, all five of these guys 594 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.960 have played quite a lot of football together, and they 595 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:38.759 know each other, they know how they're going to react, 596 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:40.960 they know what's going on. So I think that that's great. 597 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:44.240 And you know that tweet that we did go out 598 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.200 mute as as soon as I saw that it was 599 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:48.559 making waves, I just I just went onto my notifications, 600 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.599 I just hit mute. But the thing is is like, 601 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.279 I don't know if that eight seconds people are saying 602 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.680 that that's the indicative of the defensive line, I don't 603 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:01.480 think so, because we're also hearing the defensive line is 604 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:03.880 still making a lot of big time plays. You know, 605 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:06.920 those two things can happen and they can coexist in 606 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.160 the same universe without one being negative and one being positive, 607 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.000 you know. And so yes, the offensive line could be 608 00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:16.160 giving Devin to eight seconds, but that's why maybe one play, 609 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:18.519 the next play, the defensive line could get back there 610 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:20.920 in two, you know. So it just kind of depends 611 00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:23.519 on the situation and what's going on. But I don't 612 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.480 think those two things one can exist without the other 613 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.599 one being negative. I think is how I'll put that. 614 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.799 Yeah, well said I wonder. You know, you're in a 615 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.920 generation where it's not your fault. But we raised you 616 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.279 guys with cell phones. They were your babysitters, they were 617 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.440 your friends. You probably had a phone when you were young. 618 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.519 I didn't have my first phone until I was in college, 619 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.519 and so the Internet wasn't a thing when I was 620 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:46.000 in college. 621 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:47.240 So let's be clear about that. 622 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.359 But when it comes to the online dynamic of your job, 623 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.200 is it uncomfortable for you or I mean anyone. 624 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:55.559 In our space. 625 00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:58.640 Amys to develop leathery skin, and I think for some 626 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:00.319 older people it probably takes time. 627 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.680 Because I was not raised with social media like you were. 628 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.359 Is that an uncomfortable part of your job or is 629 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:06.920 it just something that you can kind of roll with 630 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:07.799 because you're used to it. 631 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:10.319 Well, to be fair, like I was one of the 632 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.119 last kids in my school to get a phone. My 633 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:13.799 parents didn't get me a phone until I think I 634 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.759 was in like fifth or sixth grade, and I was, like, 635 00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:18.640 I graduated high school in twenty seventeen. Just to like 636 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.119 put that into perspective, So I was like one of 637 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.400 the last kids in my brain to get a phone. 638 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.799 But you know, like I'm when I first got into this, 639 00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.920 it was hard because you know, the more followers you get, 640 00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.079 the more eyes you get, and the more attention you get, 641 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.400 and it's just it's sometimes it does get to be 642 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:37.240 a lot at times. But you know, I have a 643 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.279 great support system around me that like make sure that 644 00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.000 they're like, Okay, well, you know, maybe let's put the 645 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:43.559 phone down for a little bit and like go watch 646 00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.640 a movie or go outside and hit some golf balls 647 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.400 in the backyard or something. And so I always, you know, 648 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.039 I'm very good. I have my notifications off on Twitter 649 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.119 so I don't get constantly blown up with things. But 650 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.519 you know, it's taken. It takes time to get used to. 651 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.160 But I'm at the point now where you know, it's 652 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:02.920 just it's just kind of like water off a ducks 653 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:03.359 back to a. 654 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.119 Certain extent, good because the Internet is where cowards go 655 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.880 to feel brave, and certain BYU fans are a certain 656 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:10.440 kind of coward and they want to be a certain 657 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.359 kind of brave. So don't let it get you down, Sammy, 658 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.599 You're doing a good job. I've been asking all of 659 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:16.880 my guests the following question. I will ask you this 660 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:21.160 as well. What does success look like against Ucla? I'm 661 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.319 not playing home from the Rose Bowl? What sort of 662 00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:27.759 dynamic result? Obviously a win, but beyond that, what does 663 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.759 success look like for coach Wit and the Utes Week 664 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:31.640 one at the Rose Bowl? 665 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:33.880 Well, I think, yeah, like you said, the win is 666 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.000 probably the best. The is the biggest thing, and I 667 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.279 think you know, getting out on a one and oh 668 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.160 start is going to be massive for this thing. But team, 669 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.960 but I think, you know, offensive success at this point, 670 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:46.440 you know, everyone's going to like UCLA is basing their 671 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:48.640 game plan off of what Beck did at New Mexico 672 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.640 and what Beck possibly did at Syracuse. So right now, 673 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.440 nobody knows what to expect to this Utah offense. So 674 00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:59.279 Utah has the ability to catch UCLA off guard with 675 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.000 his offense and you know, just you know, shock them 676 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.599 and push them back on their heels. This defense is 677 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.000 going to be this defense. They're going to do what 678 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.680 they do. And I think that, you know, the offense, 679 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.279 if the offense can come out and put up good numbers, 680 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.240 I don't want to put a number range on it 681 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.440 so that everyone's like, well, Sammy, you said this many 682 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.519 yardage is going to happen and stuff. But you know, 683 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.240 I think you want to see a good amount, Like 684 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.319 I don't even know what yardage to say on this one, 685 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.400 because you know, it's it's it's about consistency with some 686 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.720 of these guys too. But I think offensive performance needs 687 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.160 to be strong and I think, you know, keeping the 688 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.759 ball for safe, whether it's Devin, whether it's the pass catchers, 689 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.079 whether whether it's the running backs. I think that's what 690 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.599 the big thing is going to be for this game 691 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.559 because you have you don't have the opportunity to you know, 692 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.839 have a massive game and put the nation on watch, 693 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.000 be like, hey, this is what this new offense has 694 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.599 the ability to do. So everyone just like watch out 695 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.680 type of thing. So I think offensive success is going 696 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.640 to be the biggest thing that I probably you know, 697 00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:58.759 look at it from you know, the defense. I don't 698 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:01.559 have concerns about. I just I think more than anything, 699 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:03.599 I think everyone's just ready to see this offense because 700 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:05.920 there's been a lot of talk about it. So I 701 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.319 would just say offensive. 702 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.400 Success, what sort of balance or maybe I'll even say 703 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:12.440 a lack thereof because there is a part of me 704 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.200 that believes this is going to be a very run 705 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.960 heavy attack and I'm only basing that off of the 706 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.519 personnel that we feel, you know, more or less confident in, 707 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.519 and maybe this wide receiver group will blow us all away. 708 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.400 And maybe Devin is better with his arm than he 709 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:27.440 was a year ago in New Mexico. 710 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:27.799 I don't know. 711 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.640 I certainly leave space for the possibilities of things manifesting 712 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:33.400 that I don't know about. I'm no expert at all, 713 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.200 but it does feel like with your line being what 714 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.440 it is in two backs they like a lot and 715 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:41.200 a quarterback that can really run, it feels like we 716 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:42.519 could be in for a little bit of a rush 717 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.160 heavy system, which you know or maybe you know intermediate passes. 718 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.720 But maybe it's more explosive than I'm expecting. But as 719 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.160 far as just generally speaking, the balance between the run 720 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.599 game and the throw game, what are you expecting, Sammy, Well, I. 721 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.119 Think you know this, Like you said this, this offense 722 00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.720 is I think going to be rooted in a run 723 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:04.799 first and a run first mentality. I've said, I think 724 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.279 sometimes I say it's gonna be fifty to fifty. Sometimes 725 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:08.960 I say it's gonna be sixty forty in terms of 726 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.519 run to pass. But I do think you know, Utah's 727 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.480 gonna take their chances. They're gonna you know, Devn's a 728 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.359 good quarterback. Devan knows how to get the get it 729 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.160 done through the air. I think they're gonna they're gonna 730 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:21.200 make them. They're gonna do some damage for the air. 731 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.680 I mean, Daan Pier even this week said that the 732 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:25.759 area that he thinks hees the like that he thinks 733 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:27.680 that is gonna thrive the most is the run game. 734 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.599 He's like, that offensive line is making up these these 735 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.039 massive holes. And if the offense is making these massive 736 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:35.920 holes and leading to these big run plays, you know, 737 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.480 that's just gonna open up the pass game. You know, 738 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:39.920 you got to keep teams honest, you gotta keep these 739 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.680 defenses on their toes. And I think that, you know, 740 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.839 having a quarterback like Devin who can run and who 741 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.440 can throw is going to be a benefit this year. 742 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:49.599 And you know, the pass catchers are gonna be great. 743 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.000 I know, wayshot in Nakari are great in pass pro, 744 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.319 which is another added benefit for this offense. And so 745 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:57.519 you know, at the end of the day, I think 746 00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.160 it's just gonna come down to the pass catchers, because 747 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.640 if the pass catchers are aren't doing what they need 748 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.160 to do, then you're gonna start seeing this offense move 749 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.839 to more of a run primary system with occasional throws. 750 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.079 But you know, Beth said that, you know, they don't 751 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.159 know right now, Like in practice it's one thing, but 752 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:13.800 when the lights are on, it's a different thing. Like 753 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:15.920 he again referenced that in New Mexically a team last 754 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.039 year where he thought it heading into this, like heading 755 00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.119 into the season last year, that he had like six 756 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.480 or seven path catchers that he could rely upon, and 757 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.519 then they all started struggling, and but the running backs 758 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.360 were really thriving, and so they turned into a run 759 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.519 first offense. So it's just gonna evolve. I think that 760 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.840 you know, we're going to see how this offense maybe, 761 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.639 like I honestly, the team we see week one might 762 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.679 not be the same offense we see the last week 763 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.079 of the season. And it's just going to be depend 764 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.679 on who is performing at the high level and who's 765 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.199 earning Beck's trust. 766 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.599 Have you landed on where you think you ta exists 767 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:53.599 in this big twelve ecosystem. I'm telling you every whether 768 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:56.800 it's a podcast or an article or you know, college 769 00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.519 football media members or experts, who I who I trust? 770 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.360 And this isn't just the Big Twelve. And look, I've 771 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.719 always been of the opinion, Sammy, that this is the 772 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.119 sport that is the hardest to predict year in and 773 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.960 year out. And that's before every roster had the changeover 774 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.280 and the turnover it does now during the offseason, I mean, 775 00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.519 every team has at least, you know, thirty forty new players. 776 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.320 Some teams have more. Utah State has eighty. So it 777 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.760 feels wide open. Both the race for the CFP the 778 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.239 race for just college football is elite in in the 779 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.519 Big Twelve. I feel like most people believe Utah is 780 00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:35.239 still a Tier one Big twelve team, including Vegas. But 781 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.599 just generally speaking, where do you think Utah exists in 782 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:38.920 this Big twelve ecosystem? 783 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.360 I honestly like this conference is so hard to read 784 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.760 and predict, like you said, and it's just kind of 785 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.920 it's it's interesting to see. I mean, I've been asked 786 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.880 so many times to do a preseason ranking, and at 787 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.920 this point I just split it up into tiers. I 788 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.400 have contenders, middle of the pack and bottom of the pack. 789 00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.880 Like I can I see Utah being in that contender 790 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.639 top half, top third of the conference. You know, Arizona 791 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:08.079 State's up there, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech. 792 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.079 You know, those are all those teams that I see 793 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:11.639 in the in the in the top half of the 794 00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.960 conference or the top third I should stay actually, and 795 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:20.119 then you know BYU, Cincinnati, Colorado, Kansas TCU in the 796 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:24.480 middle pack, and then the bottom would be you know, Arizona, UCS, Colorado, 797 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.800 West Virginia. I know I probably forgot somebody because they're 798 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.760 sixteen teams, but you know, I think Utah does if 799 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.880 you talk and stay healthy, I very strongly believe that 800 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.760 they can go toe to toe with all with every 801 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.159 team in this conference. You know, you know, you have 802 00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.039 Texas Tech at home, which is an added benefit. You 803 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.360 have Kansas State at home added benefit. You have Arizona 804 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.519 State at home. So that's that's all nice, and that's dandy, 805 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.119 and that's good. You have that home field advantage Baylor 806 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:51.679 on the road, by you on the road. Those are 807 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.360 going to be tough environments to play in. But Utah, 808 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.000 if they stay healthy and do what they need to do, 809 00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:57.679 I really think this team could go toe to toe 810 00:36:57.679 --> 00:36:58.239 with anybody. 811 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:00.440 All Right, before I say you lose, what are you 812 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.239 willing to say about where you believe Utah will be 813 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.639 prior to their trip to Provo. So it's the opener 814 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.559 at U SA LA at the Rose Bowl, it's a 815 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.519 cake walk against cal Poly. At home, it's a road 816 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.639 trip to Laramie against a Wyoming team they should handle. 817 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.199 The home versus Tech Morgantown. 818 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:22.280 West Virginia, then home Arizona State bye week mixed in there. 819 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.960 So after those six games, prior to the trip to Provo, 820 00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:28.360 where do you believe Utah football will be? 821 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.920 Oh? God, that's so, that's that's that's that's hard because 822 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.920 you know, I could see losses to Texas Tech and 823 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.239 Arizona State, but I could also see Utah pulling off 824 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.480 wins against both of them. So you know, I could 825 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.239 see Utah maybe going six and oh, but I could 826 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.679 also see five and one. I think that's that's a 827 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:48.320 safe bet for me. I mean, worst case scenario is 828 00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.400 six and two, I think, or not six and two, 829 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.599 four and two. Don't do math on the air, kids, 830 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.639 but I think that worst case scenario four and two, 831 00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.760 best case scenario six and zero. Realistically, five and one. 832 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:00.840 Probably fair enough. 833 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:02.800 All right, Sammy, where can people go find your work? 834 00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.639 You can find me on Twitter at s Underscore Mora 835 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.599 two four seven and you can come join us over 836 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:10.840 at ut Zone, one of the best communities for Utah 837 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:12.960 fans on the internet. We're running a fifty percent off 838 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:16.079 sale currently for the first year of your subscription. We 839 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:18.239 have a VIP podcast that comes out twice a week. 840 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.800 So yeah, come over and join us at yout zone. 841 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.079 Thank you, Sammy, I have a great weekend. We'll catch 842 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:23.480 up soon. 843 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:25.360 Okay, thankes. 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Matt Brown, who writes the college football newsletter 866 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.960 Extra Points, will join us, and I hope he does. 867 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.880 I have a list of like ten questions if you 868 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:37.199 if you're a fan of the show. 869 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:38.880 First of all, thank you, Hello, how are you? 870 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.679 Second of all, Matt stops by all the time, and 871 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.519 you hear me say this often. It really is one 872 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.559 of the best college football newsletters out there. It has 873 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.440 been a nice north star as we all navigate the 874 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.559 changes to the sports. So we're gonna bring him on 875 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:56.559 in a moment. But apparently his personal assistant answered his 876 00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:57.920 cell phone porter. 877 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:58.719 Is that what's happened? 878 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:04.440 Yeah, assistant or he's what I believe to be like 879 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.159 not a toddler daughter, but not far off. She's very young. 880 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.360 She answered his phone and I could tell it was 881 00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.440 it was young Gal. I said, hey, could you put 882 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.519 your your father on the phone? Could you put Matt on? 883 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.599 And she emphatically told me no and hung up. So 884 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.559 that was a first as a radio producer. We're waiting 885 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.360 on one. Matt Brown. I've seen his Twitter before get 886 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:32.880 hijacked by his daughter, so I'm not totally surprised, but yeah, 887 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:34.559 that's that's the first for me as a producer. 888 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.280 Yeah, Matt has this funny bit on his Twitter page 889 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.119 where occasionally he lets his daughter tweet, and she's talking 890 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.599 about like Peb and Jay's and like Disney movies. 891 00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:44.679 It might that might be going on now, and she 892 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.840 is not taking phone calls apparently, And this. 893 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.639 Only reinforces your belief that all kids suck, right, because 894 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.559 you're not a fan of kids. 895 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.599 I mean, it is the first time ever on this 896 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.559 show that I've had a child, I believe, and he's 897 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.320 she rather is ruining this segment. 898 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.960 So I wonder if Matt would let us interview his. 899 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.360 Daughter, probably for a minute. 900 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.519 We should do a segment where I interview toddlers, where 901 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.920 we just have random six year olds on the show. 902 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.559 I mean pretty much sports radio. 903 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:16.400 They do say. 904 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:18.840 There's this old TV show I think it's called Kids 905 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:19.760 Say the Darnedest Thing. 906 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:21.440 Yes, that was funny. 907 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.440 Like I was with my brother and sister in law 908 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.840 and their family in Carmel and Dian over the weekend. 909 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.360 They have six kids, and they have twins that are 910 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:32.039 three years old, and their little daughter, Helen. I could 911 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.679 just listen to her talk all day like it's nonsensical, 912 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.360 but it's hilarious and they're just so happy. What do 913 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.519 we do to children to knock the happiness out of them? 914 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:40.320 That's what I want to know. 915 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:42.599 You want to do this today? 916 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.639 Well, we got an open segment, So why don't we 917 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.079 just talk Why don't we just talk about how we 918 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:48.320 can solve the go to solve the world's problem, the 919 00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.519 societal condition of children that suddenly removes them of all joy. 920 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.719 And you want to talk about the socioeconomic trends that 921 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.199 cause despair. 922 00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.760 And I'm telling you, I know, I know there's not 923 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.519 a high chance you're ever gonna be a father. 924 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:01.679 I is that fair to say? 925 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.719 I would say it's a lower chance. 926 00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.440 Okay, we'll see. But for parents, out there. 927 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.960 And you know, I am a father, I have one 928 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:13.800 uh and I have one child. You just turned twenty four. 929 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.199 Everyone can relate to the following. There's just something that 930 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:19.960 happens when they hit a certain age where you're like, 931 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.159 what happened to you know, my and my sons are 932 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:24.039 very well adjusted. 933 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.239 You know Connor, he's a good kid. He's a sweet kid. 934 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.519 But something happens where you're like, wait, what happened to 935 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.880 the joy and the wonderer? And you know, yeah, yes, 936 00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.159 Like I can remember when Connor was like six, we 937 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:40.960 went fishing and caught a fish and I'm a catch 938 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.559 and release guy, but I couldn't get the hook out 939 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.400 of his mouth in time and he died. Oh no 940 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:47.719 or she, I don't know, or they them. I'd have 941 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:49.320 the fish's you know, current. 942 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:50.159 Don't have a fish gender. 943 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.119 Yeah, that's true. I need to be better about that. 944 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.639 You're right, So whatever the sex of the fish, whatever, 945 00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:01.840 the fish died. Okay, the fish died, and Connor started crying, 946 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:04.440 and I was like, that is the sweetest thing, and 947 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:05.920 I just want to want it to be like I 948 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.920 hope he holds on to this pure, kind, soft hearted 949 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:11.760 nature his entire life. 950 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:12.960 And something happens in. 951 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.360 Any any parent can can relate where you just one day, 952 00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:17.440 It's like, what what happened? 953 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:19.000 What did I do? Is this my fault? Is it 954 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:19.880 society's fault? 955 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:19.960 Like? 956 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.559 Why aren't you full of wonder and joy? I don't know, man, 957 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.639 I don't know. So yes, we should have a segment 958 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.719 where I just interview toddlers who bring joy and wonder 959 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.400 and awe on the program and Whimsy. 960 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.079 I mean, you know, I'm a big fan of Whimsy. 961 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.360 I don't hate the idea. Get their sports takes. 962 00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.320 Maybe all right, if you are a parent of an 963 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.159 interesting toddler, get ahold of us and we'll have the 964 00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:42.800 toddler on the show. So you tell, do you want 965 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.159 to punt two three point thirty for Matt? 966 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:48.199 Maybe? At this point we're at the mercy of his 967 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.920 personal assistant. I regret to inform you we do have 968 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.360 practice sound from Morgan Scalley from Jason Beck from the 969 00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:59.039 from the Fellas yesterday. But yeah, I think I think 970 00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.760 Matt Brown is TBD. 971 00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.880 Okay, let's do some sound from practice. We played your 972 00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.360 Coach with and Devin Danpier yesterday. So we'll bring you 973 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.079 Morgan Scalley and Jason Beck here, I do want to 974 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.079 tell you about my friends at IFA Country Stores. Like 975 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.119 any good coach, it's time to update the game plan 976 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.159 for a healthy green lawn as the hot weather continues 977 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.719 this month. Make sure you're using I fase Step three 978 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.000 summer lawn food for healthy turf that stays green and 979 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.800 every season. I fhase dep three lawn food. It's the 980 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:30.400 ultimate lawn owner power move at IFA. We'll bring in 981 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.440 Matt Brown as soon as his daughter allows us to. 982 00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.960 We also have Tony Parks and Pablo Masteroni later on. 983 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.199 But if you missed it from yesterday, here's Utah's defensive 984 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:43.039 coordinator Morgan Scaley Morgan, How's how was camp? 985 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:44.679 Solid? 986 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:45.840 Solid camp? 987 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.840 I'm excited to be getting some other jerseys. 988 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.000 Good physical camp. 989 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:56.480 Still working out some kinks with depth positions. 990 00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.079 But very happy with the leadership, Very happy. 991 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:03.079 With the progress guys have made and pretty much pretty 992 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:04.119 much you know where we are right now. 993 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.079 What's that defensive tackle one look. 994 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.519 Like for you right now? 995 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.000 Uh man, We've made a ton of progress. 996 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:15.199 The freshman came in and really have proven that they 997 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.239 can play year and one, So you know, Carson Kfusci 998 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:24.880 and I would say Poopoo, Sprona, you know, Thisten, Sammy 999 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:27.920 and my guess is all in see time at some 1000 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:28.840 point this season. 1001 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.480 But I would say that person Poop, who have kind 1002 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.599 of separated themselves from the pack, from the freshman pack 1003 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.119 after that Leaky and you got Dallas and you've got 1004 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.440 who many sung Jonah. 1005 00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.000 So that's a solid group right now. 1006 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:44.119 Very happy. 1007 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.760 Luthian Ellis has done a heck of a job with 1008 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:47.480 that crew who should be solid. 1009 00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:49.800 How was a few weeks ago that Blake Katt had 1010 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.360 finally separated him sold on the outside cornerspot What have 1011 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.239 you seen from him? You know, from you know the 1012 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.079 time fall started until now that led to that separation. 1013 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.880 I would just say mastery of the scheme in physicality. 1014 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:02.960 You know he's he's got the speed to play corner, 1015 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.480 but to be able to add the physical element, the 1016 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.800 ability of the blitz and and you know leverage the 1017 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.800 football is a big factor in it. So that's another 1018 00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:16.880 position group that you're going to probably see quite a 1019 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.400 bit of rotation there because we feel comfortable with the 1020 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:21.639 progress that's been made there. 1021 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:22.519 Shreef Shaw is. 1022 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.239 A head of a coach, has gotten those guys to 1023 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.880 progress quite a bit. Add to that, you know the 1024 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.320 progress of Jackson, Benny, the ability that Rabbit Evans. 1025 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:31.960 Has to play the nicole. 1026 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.960 We have some versatility in the safety room. So very 1027 00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:37.440 excited about the secondary. 1028 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.679 What have you seen from Levoni Demoni this BLF camp 1029 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:42.679 as he comes back from from his injury. 1030 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.239 He's just trying to get more confident and that Achilles 1031 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.199 just more confident. And we've done a pretty good job 1032 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.840 of kind of limiting the reps. He knows the scheme 1033 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.079 and it's just about getting to the party healthy and 1034 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.320 so the physicality. 1035 00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:57.599 Is never an issue with him. 1036 00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.000 He's not a guy that has to be in there 1037 00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.119 and and learn how to hit. 1038 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:02.039 He knows how to do that. 1039 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:06.000 So but he's feeling much better and he's getting increased reps. 1040 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:07.440 What does his follow up? 1041 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.400 What does his presence mean to the younger guys and 1042 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:10.039 everybody else? 1043 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.320 And never, well, you just you need leadership. 1044 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.679 You need those guys that are compelling, that will meet 1045 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.760 extra with the young guys and be able to teach 1046 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:18.599 and teach in a way that his coaches were sitting 1047 00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:22.119 there saying, yeah, we don't worry about him screwing the 1048 00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:26.880 deal up, teaching something that we're not teaching. So leadership 1049 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.719 you can you can never outperform the leadership that's provided, 1050 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.679 particularly from the players. 1051 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.679 How does how does having Smith and Lander taking some 1052 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:39.039 offensive snaps effect that I'm so mad. 1053 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:40.239 So mad. 1054 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.159 No, it's just like shoony Vaki last year, and deal 1055 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:44.280 with it. 1056 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:45.280 It's it's a good thing. 1057 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:45.639 You know. 1058 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.639 As much as I'll give them prap when i'm you know, 1059 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:50.199 when they're on the offensive side of the ball and 1060 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.679 I'll talk crap to him, I also let him know 1061 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:53.519 how proud eye on them of. 1062 00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:54.519 Him and listen. 1063 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.159 If you can at wherever you can add value, you 1064 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:56.920 can help the team win. 1065 00:47:57.639 --> 00:47:58.360 More power to you. 1066 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:00.920 Its little fit to have in the big green dot 1067 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:02.880 this year or kind of how does that role work 1068 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:03.280 for you guys? 1069 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:03.599 This year? 1070 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:09.000 We'll have multiple green dots And you know, the biggest 1071 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:14.360 thing there is in your substitution packages, just understanding that. 1072 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:16.840 You know you've got to. 1073 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:19.280 Have one your air at all times. So good thing 1074 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.119 is the linebacker position. We have a new depth that 1075 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:22.719 the rotation. 1076 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:24.719 You're always gonna have a guy either they can trust. 1077 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.519 So whether it's Trey, whether. 1078 00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.239 It's Lander, whether it's Levanni, all three of them are great. 1079 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:37.000 Communicators, most improved position group defensive tell w Yeah, you know, 1080 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.280 came into fall camp. That was a big priority getting that, 1081 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.679 you know, the position figured out, and I'm much more confident. 1082 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:46.519 What does the location look like at defense? 1083 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.480 End defense a lot, you know, So all of them 1084 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.119 are getting reps, all of them are playing well. Uh, 1085 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.719 it's it's five guys right now, five guys. 1086 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.280 You're rotating and like I said, it allows us. 1087 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.159 You know, in the past situations, to get a little 1088 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.559 bit creative, but very pleased. 1089 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:05.719 I do nothing. 1090 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.000 You know, I got great position coaches. I'm just saying, 1091 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.119 you guys are awesome. Blue the spouse fantastic with those 1092 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.559 guys and recruited the majority of them. 1093 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:16.559 So I just get to call Bess. 1094 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.400 I can't see the degrees from last season that you 1095 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.760 went into our address going into this season that maybe 1096 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:30.679 you guys adjusted. Fixing bull run, defense, tackling and taking 1097 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:31.360 the football away. 1098 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:33.239 Those are all three that I feel. 1099 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.639 We've done a good job focusing on. 1100 00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.360 And having as a priority. Whether you're practicing. 1101 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:41.719 Every day, We've had live sessions almost every time. 1102 00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.480 We get your full pads and. 1103 00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:47.159 You know, you can't be scared of it's it's it's football. 1104 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.199 And we're a position now. 1105 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.239 We always said we will just keep tackling so we 1106 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:52.880 feel comfortable with. 1107 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.119 The with the group, and we nowhere we feel and 1108 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:59.199 then ply with Sto Johnson add on your defensive side. 1109 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.519 You can play corner, can plain Nicol he can play 1110 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.440 into three and now he's he can play the strong safeties. 1111 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.239 He's much more physical than the box. So versatility would 1112 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:09.760 be the biggest thing to face the table. 1113 00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:15.800 I don't think I would enjoy trying to tackle Landerbarton. No, 1114 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.239 I don't think that would be fun. And he mentioned 1115 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:21.440 he got five carries with the Lions the other day 1116 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.760 during preseason football. I don't think I would enjoy trying 1117 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:24.599 to tackle him either. 1118 00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.840 Yeah, there's there's a way that like linebackers and Siony. 1119 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.079 I know he was a defensive back technically, but kind 1120 00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:33.760 of the way that he played up in the box, 1121 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.480 the way he played in Morgan's defense, that's basically a linebacker. 1122 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:42.199 They bring a certain physicality that you don't want to 1123 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.079 meet in the in between the tackles. 1124 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:48.639 I'm trying to think, Oh, did you see the videos 1125 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:53.639 floating around of this new forty and over tackle Football League? 1126 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:57.000 I don't know specifically, but yes, I just saw these 1127 00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.880 videos this morning. I guess there's a league there for 1128 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:02.039 forty and over gentlemen. 1129 00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:03.440 No, there's plenty of these leagues. 1130 00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:07.480 Oh, this is it's it's a horrible idea. It's a 1131 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.400 great idea. No, it's a horrible idea. 1132 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:10.760 I didn't tell you about the time I played a 1133 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.760 game for the Zion Lions. You did not When was this? 1134 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.599 It was college ish down at Saint George. There's a 1135 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:20.840 little there's a little league. Yeah, but you're a college kid. 1136 00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.159 But the rest of the roster. Let me be clear, 1137 00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:26.440 what it's not college kids? 1138 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.280 The Zion Lions. Yep, was this down south? 1139 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:30.679 It was? 1140 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:31.599 Okay, it was. 1141 00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:34.519 I think that league is still technically going. I'm not 1142 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.840 exactly sure, but yeah, there's there's there's middle aged men 1143 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:43.960 playing I guess what is dubbed semi professional football over 1144 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.840 this great country and paying their way to do it. 1145 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:50.440 I honor and respect the hustle. 1146 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.000 Tom Haberstrow told the story on the show last year 1147 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:58.000 of his friend tearing his meniscus turning around teaching a class. Yeah, 1148 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.920 you're in your forties, you can and you can tear 1149 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.199 an Achilles grocery shopping. 1150 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:04.639 You shouldn't be playing football. Maybe you're training, you're staying 1151 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:08.079 in shape. Maybe that's the reason, Maybe that's the purpose 1152 00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.000 by a per semi semi semi pro football, buy a Peloton, 1153 00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.000 goes ion lions go for a walk. 1154 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.039 What do you remember during your football days having to 1155 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.000 tackle one specific person? 1156 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:23.559 That wasn't very much fun at all? 1157 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:24.159 Uh? 1158 00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:26.440 I mean I never played high level football really, I 1159 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.239 you know, I The only time I was playing any 1160 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:33.960 sort of respectable opponent was on the basketball circuit AAU 1161 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:38.400 or or you know, right post high school football wise, 1162 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.119 it was literally just the farm boys I grew up with. 1163 00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:45.840 Because those some of those guys well, and to be clear, 1164 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.440 some of them did go on and played good football. 1165 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.599 A couple of them, it's no college. One of them 1166 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.960 is the head coach up at the school right now, 1167 00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:58.400 One Levi Thompson. Just freaks of nature that grew up 1168 00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.679 carrying logs and and farming, and that's a different kind 1169 00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:07.039 of strength than just pushing weight around. I saw him, 1170 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.599 like Levi I was talking about, like put kids in 1171 00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:14.960 ambulances because they had never really seen a man like that. 1172 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.280 And he's eighteen seventeen years old. Those are the ones 1173 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.199 that I kind of shine away from. 1174 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.360 The First time you get hit, like properly hit, you 1175 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:25.800 never forget it. No, my last year of football I 1176 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.840 think was my sophomore year in high school and quarterback 1177 00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.800 end around ear hold knocked out. 1178 00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:34.280 I'll never forget it. 1179 00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:35.960 Oh No, that's probably why I stoped playing. I'm like, 1180 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:37.239 I don't need to do this. I'm just gonna play 1181 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:39.719 basketball year round. I'll go shoot hoops. But trying to 1182 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.400 like Lander Barton running at you full speed, that would 1183 00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:43.639 not be a fun person to tackle. 1184 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.519 He and listen. He is a guy that I watched 1185 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:48.960 a little bit in high school. When he was on 1186 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.320 the offensive side. They used him more as a tight end. 1187 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:54.159 He wasn't running the ball much. It was more like 1188 00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.840 I'm almost picturing more of a Caleb Blowner situation. He 1189 00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.360 is that type of athlete. He really can't go up 1190 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.159 and get him. That is what he was doing. 1191 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:02.639 At Brighton. 1192 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:05.320 They were just like, Okay, go stand by the field 1193 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.320 goal post and we're gonna throw it up in the air. 1194 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.119 That's when we use Lander Barton. We'll see I think 1195 00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.159 that's more of what you'll you'll see from him, while 1196 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:19.519 maybe Nate Johnson, Smith Snoden, those guys might be more 1197 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:20.400 out of the backfield. 1198 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.519 We'll see Caleb Ata catch for the Broncos over the weekend, 1199 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.519 one catch for about four yards coming a reed. Jonah 1200 00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:28.239 ellis a lot of uts on the Broncos. Do we 1201 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:29.480 have time to play Jason? 1202 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:30.400 All right? 1203 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:34.360 We will try to run interference through Matt Brown's daughter 1204 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.760 to bring him on after a break. But before we 1205 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:38.559 catch a break, we let you hear from Morgan. Let's 1206 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.159 hear from the offensive coordinator, Jason Beck. Jason, at the 1207 00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:42.880 beginning of False Campus said, you wanted to go with 1208 00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:43.679 your trusted. 1209 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.280 Guys, the guys that are gonna be consistent. How have 1210 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:46.760 you felt like this all camp has. 1211 00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:47.599 Gone for your offense. 1212 00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:52.400 Yeah, that's been what we're looking at every day. You know, 1213 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.239 who's consistently day and day out making those plays. And 1214 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.000 some guys have been emerging that way and doing a 1215 00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.480 nice job. Some guys are close somewhere's trying to keep 1216 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.880 forcing that issue of what we're asking them to do, uh, 1217 00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:05.960 so that we can count them and count on them 1218 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:10.320 in critical situations. So the nice job is, you know, 1219 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:12.599 up front, they're setting the tone every day with that 1220 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.320 consistent work and for everybody else to follow along with that. 1221 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.679 What progress have you seen out of Tobias Mariyweather and 1222 00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:19.400 Murray Simons. 1223 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:21.440 You know, they were so new when they got here, 1224 00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:25.440 it was just getting everything everything going. But they both 1225 00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:31.679 have played and done stuff in the past where they're yeah, 1226 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.960 they're comfortable stepping in and playing, you know, right off 1227 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:35.280 the bat. 1228 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:36.960 So they've done a good job. Just trying to get them. 1229 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:40.239 Up to speed as fast as possible, and yeah, they're 1230 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:41.800 both doing a next job coming along. 1231 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:42.639 And we'll help us this year. 1232 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.840 Well have you seen this tight end room maybe evolved 1233 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:45.599 as fall. 1234 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.119 Campus, Yeah, it's been. It's been one of our more 1235 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:54.960 consistent rooms with that mix of guys showing up every day, 1236 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.199 and that includes like JJ he came in as a 1237 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.159 young kid, and he's done a really nice job as 1238 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:00.679 he's been in. 1239 00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.679 There and improving each week. 1240 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.639 So they've been a strength of the group in terms 1241 00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.840 of their consistency and what they're getting done. 1242 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:13.320 The Obviously the starting five gets the headlines, but what 1243 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.480 sort of progress did you see him in the second 1244 00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:16.840 unit offensive line? 1245 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:20.920 Well, yeah, the starting five, you know, they've done a 1246 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:22.559 nice job and they've kind of been in and out 1247 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.400 a little bit with some different things, or to have given 1248 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.239 other guys opportunities. 1249 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:26.159 To get reps. 1250 00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.639 So right now you feel like we have three guys 1251 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.400 that could come in and play and we won't have 1252 00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:37.880 to drastically change too much. So they've done a nice 1253 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:42.360 job just kind of establishing themselves in what they can do, 1254 00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:44.239 and then we're just looking for another player or to 1255 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.719 continue to make that next jump where we feel the 1256 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:48.039 same way. 1257 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.760 But we gave us an update on the on the 1258 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.360 back of quarterbacks, and you mentioned in that there might 1259 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:56.840 be some place for Bird. Is that is that something 1260 00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:00.159 you anticipate maybe every game we might see him some 1261 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.440 these situations or how often might we see it? 1262 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:11.559 Well, you never know, but if hopefully, you know, hopefully 1263 00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:15.199 we played well and all of that bought if something 1264 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.000 were to happen. Bird has done a nice job. He's 1265 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:22.639 come in here, he's paid plays, and he's done a 1266 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:25.800 nice job. So if we needed to, he could kill 1267 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:27.559 him and help us play. So I kind of look 1268 00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.159 at him at it like we have a two A 1269 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.440 and a two B versus a two and a three. 1270 00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:35.159 So Bird's kind of played himself where he's a two 1271 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.880 B and he could do things at a high level 1272 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.400 wherever we needed to, we can call him to get 1273 00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:41.800 that done. 1274 00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.559 What has given you a confidence about I think allowed 1275 00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:45.440 you to name him with the K. 1276 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:50.000 You know, he's really coming from spring and just took 1277 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.199 a big step forward from where he faused the spring, 1278 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:58.679 and his just the ability to manage every thing because 1279 00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.480 of the experiences come through has just kind of put 1280 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:06.000 him a step ahead for hanging the whole offense and 1281 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.719 being able to do everything we needed to. But at 1282 00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:10.840 the same time, he you know, burned this stuff a 1283 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:11.960 little more like dev. 1284 00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:13.719 Than Isaac does. 1285 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:16.199 So it kind of has that door where a bird 1286 00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:17.360 can step in into some things. 1287 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:19.559 Kevin said yesterday that he's working on, you know, not 1288 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:21.239 taking chances as much this season. 1289 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.519 Have we seen that, you know, the smarter decisions as 1290 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:23.880 fall so. 1291 00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.599 Far he has you know, approoves through a fall. 1292 00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.119 We track everything every day with all that, and he's 1293 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:33.199 done a really nice job with that, and so you know, 1294 00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.199 you just want that to continue forward to the season. 1295 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.599 He just stood at a wide receiver so far? 1296 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:38.280 What's that? 1297 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.320 Who stood a wide receiver so far? 1298 00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:42.960 Yeah, that's a great question. 1299 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:48.480 That's uh, that's where you know, the most consistent is 1300 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:50.639 our d He kind of maybe had a leg up 1301 00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:55.119 coming from New Mexico with being consistent and having chemistry 1302 00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.400 with Death. But then a lot of all the other 1303 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:00.679 guys have just been you know when you guys learning 1304 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:04.920 the bias. You know, Zip's been in that deal, Justin's 1305 00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:06.320 been in there. So a lot of those guys have 1306 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:10.920 just been improving, getting better, and we're just focusing in 1307 00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:11.639 as we're starting to. 1308 00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.559 Set that game plan on what can they do to 1309 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:15.119 help us win. 1310 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:19.239 I'm talked a lot about mending your offense towards the 1311 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.639 strength of your team. You know, four weeks through fall camp, bag, guess, 1312 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:24.800 just what do you feel like your best strengths on 1313 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:25.440 the offense are. 1314 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:28.840 Well, it is, Yeah, I'm mending the offense to Dad 1315 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:31.719 and specifically the kind of each guy. So even in 1316 00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.519 the past game, you know what game guys do putting those. 1317 00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:35.719 Positions to be successful. 1318 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:37.840 But we're looking to be a you know, a real 1319 00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:43.320 efficient offense. We'll lean on the guys up front and 1320 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:45.880 kind of counting them to lead the way, and then 1321 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:50.239 as those skill guys performing games, then we'll see what 1322 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.280 direction that takes. You know, I've been a part of 1323 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.400 this where you think you have a great idea and 1324 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:56.840 you hit week one and then you really find out. 1325 00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:58.039 Where exactly you got do this. 1326 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:05.199 But they playing can we stop with the jugs machine? 1327 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:07.679 I have a feeling there's somebody listening right now based 1328 01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.360 off the text we just received. They can hear the 1329 01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:14.679 messaging I've been Usually I only do it once a 1330 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:17.679 year and hope that my please actually land with somebody 1331 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:19.239 up there that can do something about it. 1332 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.000 Can we just stop with the jugs machine? 1333 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:25.960 In the background while we're interviewing the players and coaches, 1334 01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:29.960 I'm talking to Bill Riley's handlers specifically right now, our guy. 1335 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.159 Can we just please? Can we please stop? That's not 1336 01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:34.159 too much that it is. 1337 01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.039 The one thing I'm thankful for with the countdown, We're 1338 01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.559 now within ten days because starting next Monday, we get 1339 01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.599 Kyle in a press conference room, we get the interview 1340 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:49.960 rooms at campus. Right, I'm with you, But the clockets 1341 01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.039 ticket on the jugs machines they got to go behind 1342 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:53.519 closed doors. 1343 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:53.639 Here. 1344 01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:54.159 In the next couple of. 1345 01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.280 Weeks, I'm gonna start going up there and unplugging them 1346 01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:58.039 before media availability. 1347 01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.480 Yes, maybe that'll maybe that'll do the trick. 1348 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.760 All right, maybe Matt Brown if his daughter allows us 1349 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.000 to join, allows us to talk to him. Coming up 1350 01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.239 on the other side, We've got some other things that 1351 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.159 will bring your way. We do have Tony Parks on 1352 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.440 the show today the Latest with RSL with Pablo Maschuetti. 1353 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.000 But before we catch a break, here's the deal. 1354 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:17.639 All right, we have a new partner on the show 1355 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.079 Game Day Men's Health, and I'm just going to tell 1356 01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:24.760 you my experience with their products and encourage you to 1357 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.159 take advantage of the offer that they're giving you as 1358 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:28.559 a result of you being a listener. 1359 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:30.840 And then being a client. So I am I'm not 1360 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:31.679 bragging you, Okay. 1361 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.559 I've worked very hard to be in the best shape 1362 01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:37.119 quite frankly since I was in college. 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It's a testimonial that I 1425 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:21.360 can actually give to you and tell you that it 1426 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:23.079 works really, really well. 1427 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:24.119 So get a. 1428 01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:27.880 Hold of them at Gamedaymen's Health dot com. It's Gamedaymen'shealth 1429 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:31.639 dot com. They've got a bunch of locations in Utah. Lehigh, 1430 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:33.559 Pleasant Grove, Cottonwin Heights is the one I. 1431 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:35.239 Use, and South Ogden as well. 1432 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:39.039 All Right, Matt Brown's five year old daughter has given 1433 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:42.280 us permission to interview him at four o'clock today, A 1434 01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.599 little uh on the other side of four, So bring 1435 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:48.239 in Matt. Pablo mash Drenni, the head coach of RSL. 1436 01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:51.679 I would imagine he's still a little bit salty as 1437 01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:55.039 a result of some calls that continue to go the wrong. 1438 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:56.119 Way against RSL. 1439 01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:58.519 Will join us in about an hour from right now 1440 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:01.000 get into five o'clock out of the show, but let's 1441 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.079 welcome in a very special guest. You know him as 1442 01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.760 the voice of the Bees and longtime radio personality in 1443 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.159 our market, The Great Tony Parks on a Wednesday TP, 1444 01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:10.920 Happy Wednesday. 1445 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:11.360 Are we doing? 1446 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.159 I'm doing great man. Mike Toddler is never coming on 1447 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:16.800 this show. 1448 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:22.280 I become more and more afraid over time if you 1449 01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:25.239 were to interview with her, you know what she might unveil? 1450 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:26.599 Are the things that she might say. 1451 01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:29.039 So I'm when I heard about this, I thought, you 1452 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:30.639 know what, other and keep my phone close to me 1453 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:32.880 at all times when I'm expected to be on the air, 1454 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:34.800 because I'm not quite sure what would happen. 1455 01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:37.800 I have a feeling, though ton as the young lady 1456 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:41.480 grows and evolves, if she's anything like either her mother 1457 01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:44.480 or her father, she'll be very willing to express anything 1458 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:45.559 that she wants to express. 1459 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:46.400 Is that fair to say? 1460 01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:47.320 Yes? 1461 01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:48.039 It is. 1462 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:52.119 She talks with her hands, she loves pasta, and she's 1463 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:54.960 a fast talker too, very passionate. I don't know where 1464 01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:58.559 she got all this from, but whatever, She's an Italian 1465 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.239 for sure, and she shows that all the time, and 1466 01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:04.599 she's absolutely wonderful and I couldn't be more in love 1467 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.719 with the experience of having her in our life. 1468 01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:08.599 Love it, buddy. 1469 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:12.400 All right, let's start actually with the announcement that was 1470 01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:16.960 made by BYU that young Bear Bachmeyer has won the 1471 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:18.639 starting job as a freshman. 1472 01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:19.760 As a true freshman. 1473 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:23.039 He will be the first true freshman in BYU history 1474 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:25.280 to start an opener, and he will be the seventh 1475 01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:28.239 true freshman to see action under center for Brigham Young. 1476 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:29.519 He was with. 1477 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:33.000 Stanford for springball, didn't land in Provo until late July. 1478 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:37.280 He's been there like four weeks, five weeks. I was 1479 01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:39.480 on TV with our guy to Dave Fox last night 1480 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:42.559 and he asked me what this says about the quarterback room. 1481 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:44.760 I don't think it's an indictment on the room. I 1482 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.199 think it's a commentary on the kid, and it's pretty 1483 01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:50.119 impressive that he was the guy that stepped up and 1484 01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:52.679 won the job. Now, whenever you do anything for the 1485 01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:54.559 first time in life or in sports, there's going to 1486 01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:57.119 be growing pains. And as a result of the quarterback change, 1487 01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:01.039 BYU's Vegas line has dropped, their odds compete in league 1488 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:04.480 play have dropped as well, we know that defensively they're 1489 01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:06.719 going to be stout because they've been since Jay took 1490 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:08.400 over down there. But what do you make of young 1491 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.599 bear Bachmeyer winning the starting job for BYU? 1492 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:12.800 Yeah, I mean the question is always going to be 1493 01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:15.079 who gives you the best chance to win going forward? Now, 1494 01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.639 I think you make the best comment there. You know, 1495 01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:20.440 everyone wants to say, well, this must be an indictment 1496 01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:21.880 on you know, what they really have. 1497 01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:22.599 This must show a. 1498 01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:25.119 Lack of depth or a lack of capability. Well, we 1499 01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:27.760 don't really know until live bullets get flyed. I mean, 1500 01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:31.239 there was a season where Utah was battling back and 1501 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:34.000 forth between you know, did they go with Travis Wilson 1502 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:38.000 or do they go with Kendall Thompson and oh my goodness, 1503 01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:40.880 and each of them brought something, but neither. 1504 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:41.920 Of them was complete right. 1505 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.760 And then there was a season where this guy named 1506 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:49.199 Brett Elliott was a returning starter and was ready to 1507 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:51.800 take over and have a great season for Utah, and 1508 01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:55.440 he was injured and everybody thought the season really might 1509 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:58.039 be headed down, you know, a downward spiral. And then 1510 01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.679 some guy named Alex Smith came in took over and 1511 01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:01.880 they flourished. 1512 01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:03.199 And they would go on to win the conference and 1513 01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:04.079 the rest is history. 1514 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:06.519 So I do understand the true freshman's you need come 1515 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:08.559 because it's the first time he's going to be out there, 1516 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:10.039 he's young, all of that. 1517 01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:11.960 It is not nineteen ninety two anymore. 1518 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.239 We're having a freshman quarterback was just thought of as 1519 01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:18.000 the worst possible situation you could be in. What I 1520 01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:20.199 do know is that when it comes to the way 1521 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:22.439 that program's going to view it, Look, if you're the 1522 01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:24.079 best thing to help us win, you're going to be 1523 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:24.439 out there. 1524 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.359 And if you're not, you're not. So when there's this. 1525 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:30.840 Hey, we need patience and baby steps, and let's remember 1526 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.039 how young he is. Sure, if he's the best thing 1527 01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:37.199 to help you win, then you know what, you're going 1528 01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:38.760 to have him out there, and if he's not, you're not. 1529 01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:41.279 So as long as that ends up being the case, 1530 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:43.239 and it is clear that that is the case, they'll 1531 01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:45.760 continue to have the trust of that locker room. And 1532 01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:49.399 I think Kilani, with his experience, has been tremendous at 1533 01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:53.680 problem solving and making proper adjustments fairly quickly and being 1534 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:56.199 able to turn the page fast and go a different direction. 1535 01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:57.399 If it's not going to work out. 1536 01:08:57.800 --> 01:08:59.600 What I do know is this when the live bullets 1537 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:01.920 get flying, and that's when we discover so much more 1538 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:03.960 about these guys, and we're going to find out that 1539 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:04.880 much more about him. 1540 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:07.720 And I will say that I believe Colonie and a 1541 01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:10.880 Rod have earned the benefit of the doubt. And when 1542 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:14.439 it comes to the quarterback battles that we've like, Zach 1543 01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.560 Wilson didn't automatically have that job. 1544 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:17.279 He won the job. 1545 01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:20.920 Jaren Hall won the job, Jake Rahetzif a year ago 1546 01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:24.199 won the job. Like they're pretty much three for three 1547 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.920 when it comes to picking the right QB, you know, 1548 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:31.079 as it pertains to the quarterback battle they found themselves in. 1549 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:33.119 So it does feel like those guys know what they're doing. 1550 01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:35.159 If I'm a Byu fan, I am putting my faith 1551 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:35.800 in that staff. 1552 01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:38.199 Yeah, I would, because the last time I saw a 1553 01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.880 job given to someone who I thought had massive question 1554 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:43.680 marks as to whether or not he was capable and 1555 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:46.920 kept getting a longer and longer leash was Jake Keaps And. 1556 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:49.039 We all saw how that turned out and it wasn't good. 1557 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:52.079 And then all of a sudden they were facing a 1558 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:54.119 situation where they had to turn away from him before 1559 01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:55.800 they lost the locker room, and they were able to 1560 01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.199 salvage the end of the year. And by the way, 1561 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:01.680 Riley Nelson was going to be a Heisman candidate, but 1562 01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.199 they had to make that quick decision to go. So 1563 01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:06.399 this is one where I definitely put the trust in 1564 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:08.760 that staff. I mean, they have a wealth of experience, 1565 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:12.439 and I think if you look at the historic track 1566 01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:15.800 record of how long it took Kyle Whittingham to eventually 1567 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.399 get exactly what he want established and to have the 1568 01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:20.800 culture of the way he wants and the decision making process, 1569 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:23.199 everything that goes into it, and the trust of. 1570 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:25.479 An entire program and fan base. 1571 01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:26.960 If you look at the way it worked for Kyle, 1572 01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:29.560 it's actually been similar in the timeline I think for 1573 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:33.560 Kilani and now he has really solidified so much of 1574 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:35.319 what he wants and how he wants to do things 1575 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:39.000 never perfect, of course, but I really like the roots 1576 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:41.520 that he's built there, the trust that he's built there, 1577 01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:44.359 and now going forward when it comes to decisions, you know, 1578 01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:48.359 anytime Kyle's been wrong about something, redirects quickly and then 1579 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:50.399 you see them start to. 1580 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:50.840 Move back upward. 1581 01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:53.079 I think it would be the same case here if they, 1582 01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:55.920 let say, missed on Bear as your starting line or 1583 01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:57.000 starting quarterback. 1584 01:10:57.319 --> 01:10:59.680 The other piece of news that was announced yesterday and 1585 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.000 it's it's been kind of interesting. We actually just played 1586 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.119 the sound from Jason Beck, offensive coordinator for the You. 1587 01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.039 So coach Wit comes out and announces that Isaac Wilson 1588 01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:11.920 is QB two, and then Jason is like, well, it's 1589 01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:14.840 more like two A two B. I don't know if 1590 01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:18.439 that messaging is to You've got to be careful in 1591 01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.640 this day and age with these athletes. If you you know, 1592 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:24.880 if if a race is decided and a young man 1593 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.520 is not happy that he's suddenly QB three, maybe he's 1594 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.760 inclined to find somewhere else to play. So maybe that's 1595 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:33.920 making Bird feel better about it. But you know, according 1596 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.159 to coach Wit, and he's dead, coach, we'll go with him. 1597 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:39.600 Isaac Wilson will be the backup to Devin, Danpier and Ton. 1598 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:43.279 I suppose the blessing in disguise a year ago, with 1599 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:46.479 Cameron's inability to stay healthy, is now Utah's backup quarterback 1600 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.680 is one with one year of legitimate Big twelve experience 1601 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:51.760 under his belt. What do you make then announcement that 1602 01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:52.680 Isaac is the backup. 1603 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.359 Well, Isaac being the backup I don't think is a 1604 01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:57.279 bad thing at all. The other part about that, as 1605 01:11:57.279 --> 01:11:59.560 you talk about his experience and all of that, is 1606 01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:01.760 when you go two A two B and people are like, wow, 1607 01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:05.399 that's kind of interesting. I actually think it's important to 1608 01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.319 always keep as many people believing they are one play 1609 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:11.960 away as many as possible, because if you make them believe, well, 1610 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:14.199 you're so far down the depth chart that there's a 1611 01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:18.560 real unlikelihood that this is going to happen, then not 1612 01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:20.640 only could you lose them from the program, you could 1613 01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:23.319 lose them from let's say, just being as engaged as 1614 01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:23.760 they need to. 1615 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.560 Be day to day, having some of the investment that 1616 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:30.359 you need from a guy that is very unlikely to play. 1617 01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:32.640 Clearly, there's a two and a three, there is a 1618 01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:35.640 two and a three two A two B. I would 1619 01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:38.279 I would bet my money that that is unlikely. But 1620 01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:41.960 it's very important that a player believes that understands and 1621 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.920 perceives they are one play away. You need them to 1622 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:46.760 keep competing because the moment that you draw up a 1623 01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:49.920 hierarchy and someone believes they're too far down or someone 1624 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:51.880 believes that the likelihood of getting on the field is 1625 01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:55.239 too little one either you need to be honest with 1626 01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:57.279 them and tell them that, so they leave and you 1627 01:12:57.399 --> 01:12:59.399 don't want them there. I've seen coaches who have to 1628 01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:01.239 do that, and now's not the time for that. By 1629 01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:03.239 the way, you're getting ready for your season. So this 1630 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:05.119 is a this is an off season part that you 1631 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:07.560 would do it that way, but the current situation, no, 1632 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:09.800 you want guys believing, you know what, you are one 1633 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.680 play away and you can contend and compete to win 1634 01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:14.479 the number two spot, and you could still win the 1635 01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:17.760 number one spot. Remember this is these jobs are never 1636 01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:18.840 completely solid. 1637 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:21.880 If you are the better option and you start showing. 1638 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:24.479 Things that help us believe you know what, this is 1639 01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:26.760 actually going to win us games more than that, then 1640 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:28.800 you're going to find yourself on the field and staying 1641 01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:30.920 on the field. And so it goes back to the 1642 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:34.640 the you know, the h Alex Smith calling Kaepernick thing, 1643 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:38.439 which I know is so controversial last decade, but the 1644 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:40.680 point was Kaepernick was one play away, and then when 1645 01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:43.119 Kaepernick got on the field, the forty nine ers had 1646 01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:45.920 to realize, wait, this guy right now gives us the 1647 01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:47.840 best chance to win the Super Bowl. And we are 1648 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.760 appreciative of what Alex has done, and it's not that 1649 01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.199 we're lacking appreciation for that, but this guy can actually 1650 01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:55.520 give us a better chance to do it. They played 1651 01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:58.319 the odds, they were six yards away. So you'll get 1652 01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:00.680 your chance with several reps. And this is going to 1653 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.439 continue to evall because you're dealing with young players and 1654 01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.279 some that are unproven still and some that have shown 1655 01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:08.840 some flashes and still have not been able to show 1656 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:12.159 that dynamic high level consistently. Well, this is your chance 1657 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:14.520 to continue to show us that each and every day. 1658 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:16.520 So two A two B is you. 1659 01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:18.840 Need to keep them hungry to believe each one of 1660 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:20.399 them that they are one play away from. 1661 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:20.920 Being on the field. 1662 01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:23.560 I've been asking all my guests this this week as 1663 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.319 we're ten days away from the first game for Utah. 1664 01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:29.479 They're at the Rose Bowl against UCLA. They're six point 1665 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.520 five point favorite, and I kind of like this opener. 1666 01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:36.159 I actually I like the opener for BYU in a 1667 01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:38.560 different way. I think it's good that Bear will have 1668 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.199 a soft opponent to kind of land. I'm not a 1669 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.319 huge fan of the FBSFCS thing. I think at some 1670 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.800 point it will go away. But with it being the 1671 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:49.239 reality of breaking in a freshman quarterback, you might as 1672 01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:51.760 well do it in provo against Portland State, and I 1673 01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:54.000 like that. We'll see Devin on the road against a 1674 01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:57.319 P four team and one of college football's most historic venues. 1675 01:14:57.800 --> 01:14:58.600 But when they're on. 1676 01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:02.199 The plane flying home from LA after playing UCLA, what 1677 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:03.760 does success look like for you? 1678 01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:07.479 Game one for the Utes, there's. 1679 01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:10.399 A clear indication this offense can work in sync and 1680 01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:14.399 that it can be reliable over four quarters. Like you 1681 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:16.119 can't just come in with a game plan that starts 1682 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:19.439 really well and then you're three and outing your way 1683 01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:22.319 out and hoping your defense can save you and clinging 1684 01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:23.600 to a seventeen to fourteen win. 1685 01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:25.239 Now, I'm not saying you don't turn. 1686 01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:27.119 Down a win, but in order for you to get 1687 01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:29.039 on that plane heading back to Salt Lake and feel like, 1688 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:31.640 you know what, we got something here that can travel 1689 01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:33.439 the rest of the season, I want to see an 1690 01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:36.079 offense that can really work in sync. One thing that 1691 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.960 I really wish for you fans that they could see 1692 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:42.079 with that team is a group of receivers that can 1693 01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:45.439 be very dependable to make high level plays consistently. 1694 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:48.199 To make the tough catch Lakisi at times. 1695 01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:50.199 To be able to just go up and win a 1696 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:53.439 ball more often when a quarterback needs to just kind 1697 01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:55.439 of put it in a spot and depend on his 1698 01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:56.199 guy to go win. 1699 01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:59.279 Utah has not been able to have that consistently. 1700 01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:02.600 They've had ugs here or a player who has a 1701 01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:06.039 particular skill, such as you know, a guy with speed, 1702 01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:07.920 or a guy's got good hands but not a great 1703 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:10.399 route runner. It always feels like they have one, but 1704 01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:12.039 they're always missing the other. And I would love to 1705 01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:13.840 see a core of receivers that they can depend on 1706 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:14.399 more and more. 1707 01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:15.000 Balance. 1708 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:17.960 I don't think is going to necessarily be a must, 1709 01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:20.279 but you have to be able to have a threat 1710 01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:24.079 for these things rather than a defense saying okay, this 1711 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:25.760 is all we have to do, and we can simplify 1712 01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:29.000 our plan once we figure out what their original game 1713 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.199 plan is. I want to see a group that can 1714 01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:34.039 go out and beat people just simply by being better players. 1715 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:37.279 And so last year, like the BAU game, always jumps 1716 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:39.439 out to me because I love that game plan. 1717 01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:40.960 I love the way they executed. 1718 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.520 The physicality was tremendous, and Utah obviously hangs their hat 1719 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:48.600 on that but the second half it was very early. 1720 01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:50.319 You're looking at it going they're not going to score. 1721 01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:52.560 I mean they had field position for days, couldn't move. 1722 01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:56.960 I mean they their defense was given them opportunity after opportunity, 1723 01:16:57.199 --> 01:16:59.600 and they couldn't convert even with a field goal. So 1724 01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:01.920 I don't want to see them backing their way into 1725 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.239 a win and then coming out of it going, well, 1726 01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:05.960 a win's win and one to zero and you never 1727 01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:08.119 turn out a victory and oh they got some things 1728 01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:08.680 to clean up. 1729 01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:09.680 No, no, no, no, no. 1730 01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:11.880 I want to see something that shows me with a 1731 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.479 guy like Devan stepping in winning a job like that 1732 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:18.399 where you fans have been hoping to see a guy 1733 01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:20.800 who can go out and be a dynamic playmaker like 1734 01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:23.439 they had, you know a few years ago when healthy, 1735 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:27.159 and then say, okay, now if you take this away, 1736 01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:29.720 we can be great here. Or if this isn't quite 1737 01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:31.720 running the way we need, we can always go back 1738 01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.880 to this rather than well, if we're not winning first 1739 01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:37.680 down with the run, we're in trouble and trying to 1740 01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:39.560 find a way to you know, kind of like twenty 1741 01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:42.039 fourteen where you're just trying to find a way to 1742 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:44.800 eke out a nineteen sixteen victory. That's just not going 1743 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.800 to give anybody a good feeling going forward about what 1744 01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:50.760 is a very difficult conference to play in that is 1745 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:51.680 so unpredictable. 1746 01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:55.279 You reference the balance and look, man, you've known me 1747 01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:57.560 for a long time. I'm just a natural cynic for 1748 01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.680 whatever reason, and I'm usually more skeptic than I am 1749 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:05.000 accepting just audacious expectations based off of no data or proof. 1750 01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:07.560 So I lean into what I feel like. 1751 01:18:07.640 --> 01:18:07.880 I know. 1752 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.840 I mean, back when like Al Jefferson was here, it's like, oh, 1753 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:12.399 we're going to call it the Wheezy and he's going 1754 01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:14.159 to be twenty and ten, Like, no, well he's not 1755 01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:15.760 very good. If this team is not going to be 1756 01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:19.319 very good, and you know, when it comes to just 1757 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:22.680 Homer Broadcast and Homer Media, I'm not into it. So 1758 01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:26.760 I just don't know enough about the weapons on the 1759 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.520 outside for Utah right now. 1760 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:31.279 I don't know enough about the wide receiver room. 1761 01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:33.399 Even if the Zach Williams kid didn't transfer, I mean, 1762 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:35.840 he didn't have a ton of experience. Here's what we know, 1763 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:38.439 and I'll speak for myself, here's what I feel like. 1764 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:40.520 I know they've got two running backs they like They've 1765 01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:42.239 got a run it, They've got a quarterback that can 1766 01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.279 really rush the football. They've got potentially the best offense 1767 01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:47.079 in line in the country, not just the Big twelve. 1768 01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:50.560 They have a head coach that just abhorrors not taking 1769 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:53.039 care of the football. Part of me feels like this 1770 01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:54.920 is a rush heavy attack and we are going to 1771 01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.439 see a lot of like seventeen fourteen or twenty to 1772 01:18:57.520 --> 01:19:01.479 fourteen hopefully wins for Utah football. Nothing wrong with that, 1773 01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:05.039 but as far as just generally speaking, when it comes 1774 01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:07.640 to the balance between the run game and the throw game, 1775 01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:09.520 how do you think that will look for Utah football 1776 01:19:09.560 --> 01:19:09.880 this year? 1777 01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:12.119 If it's heavy run. 1778 01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:17.359 Because you're incapable of passing, and then you have to 1779 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.720 do it like you did say in twenty fourteen, which 1780 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:21.760 I'm not bashing that twenty fourteen team and that was 1781 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.319 the first one in the Pac twelve area era to 1782 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.319 kind of emerge and start to win at a higher clip. 1783 01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:30.439 You cannot save your way to wealth. 1784 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:33.479 You must be the one that ends up being a 1785 01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:35.680 little more aggressive, or is it the threat to be 1786 01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:39.960 more aggressive? So the twenty fourteen team, it was I 1787 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:43.560 remember coming out of their game against USC thinking you 1788 01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:46.479 can't keep winning like this, Like you just can't keep 1789 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.319 like you can't have a wide receiver drop a backwards 1790 01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:51.199 pass and stare at the football on the ground. 1791 01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:52.760 I think it was Orfe who picked it. 1792 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:54.600 Up and ran it back while nobody eve knew what 1793 01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:57.119 was going on and takes it back for a touchdown. 1794 01:19:57.239 --> 01:19:59.359 Utah I think had one good offensive drive. It just 1795 01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:00.159 happened to be the game. 1796 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.399 Winning drive, and everyone's like, but they're in contention, and 1797 01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:05.640 it's like they can't keep winning like this, Like in 1798 01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:08.119 this league, you're just not going to survive that way. 1799 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:11.479 If you want to talk about a championship aspiration, if 1800 01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:13.720 you want to talk about playoff threat, those. 1801 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:15.239 Kinds of things, you won't get there. 1802 01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:18.880 Then the twenty eighteen team, they lost a couple of 1803 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:22.239 conference games early and when they started playing their best balls, 1804 01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:24.439 they lost one conference game the rest of the way out. 1805 01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:27.920 This is the part I'm getting into. They were not balanced. 1806 01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:31.800 They were like sixty four percent runs something like that. 1807 01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:35.880 The difference was Huntley was now a much bigger threat 1808 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:40.520 to throw effectively. The team showed the capability to throw 1809 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:44.119 at a much more efficient level, and so the defenses. 1810 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:46.840 Even though Utah would say take off with Huntley or 1811 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:47.800 go to their run game. 1812 01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:50.039 Because they knew you could. 1813 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:53.520 It actually helped open up even more run opportunities. So 1814 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:56.279 balance may not need to be there. The balance of 1815 01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:59.159 what is a realistic threat. Those two things must happen, 1816 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:01.840 because if they get to the point that they know 1817 01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:05.479 that you are not dependable enough in the throw game, 1818 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:08.399 that they can absolutely load the box and that if 1819 01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:11.039 they play the odds right, you're just not going to 1820 01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:12.960 be able to put up enough offense, and if they 1821 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:16.239 take care of the ball, they'll eventually prevail. I mean, 1822 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:18.279 you can still find a way to win some games, 1823 01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:20.039 as Kyle has been able to do that with field 1824 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:23.479 position and just playing great defense and making the timely plays. 1825 01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:26.800 But you won't get to the elite levels. You'll just 1826 01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:28.960 have a nice season. You'll have a nice season. 1827 01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:30.920 So when people look back at some of those Novembers 1828 01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:32.880 when they used to say, boy, the uts they just 1829 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:35.159 can't figure it out in November, well that's because they 1830 01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:39.960 kept trying to survive with a situation where they everybody 1831 01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.239 knew that their ability to throw the football was not 1832 01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:45.399 a real threat, or it wasn't a consistent threat. 1833 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:46.560 Just don't get. 1834 01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:49.479 Beat on a massive big play and you're fine because 1835 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.680 eventually the quarterback, as I remember, Wilson at one point 1836 01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:55.399 had a I think an interception every nine attempts through 1837 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.079 pac twelve play in one of those years because they 1838 01:21:58.199 --> 01:21:59.199 knew at. 1839 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:00.800 Some point a big mistake was going to be made, 1840 01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:01.479 and so it. 1841 01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:03.359 Was worth the risk to just not get beat deep, 1842 01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:05.119 keep it in front of you, wait for him to 1843 01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:05.680 make a mistake. 1844 01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:08.039 You can't play it. You can't be great like that. 1845 01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:11.199 So that's what I'm curious about with Utah, even after 1846 01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:14.600 the first game, do teams now have to legitimately respect 1847 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:15.880 your ability to. 1848 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:19.279 Throw the football and hurt you in all different facets 1849 01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:20.000 of the pass game? 1850 01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:22.720 And if they throw for you know, some great number, 1851 01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:25.159 but we're talking screen passes that took off for a 1852 01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:28.159 big gain, or somebody got out of their alignment on 1853 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:30.520 a wheel route, you know, in coverage and it was 1854 01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:32.960 a busted coverage and an easy throw. That's not the 1855 01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:36.079 same thing as Hey, if you don't make sure you 1856 01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:38.760 cover this guy, it sticks over the top every time. 1857 01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:41.279 And if you don't have your eyes in the right place, 1858 01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:43.079 this guy's going to beat you across the field. 1859 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:45.279 Get to the sideline and it's going to be thirty 1860 01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:45.840 five yards. 1861 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:48.079 I want to see if Utah actually has that threat, 1862 01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:50.439 because that, I think is going to tell me a 1863 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:52.239 lot as to whether or not this is going to 1864 01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:55.680 be a season of improvement or a season of being 1865 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:57.439 a true threat to become elite. 1866 01:22:57.880 --> 01:22:59.560 HI to him before I say you lose. Give me 1867 01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:01.760 the latest the Bees. What's going on with our local 1868 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:02.520 baseball team? 1869 01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:05.119 Yeah, man at home here tonight getting ready for the 1870 01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.439 game against the Reno Aces, the Diamondback's affiliate, And then 1871 01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:12.319 after this week we have two weeks left in the 1872 01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:16.119 season in terms of home games, a twelve gamer there 1873 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.880 in September. Take advantage of the great September weather by 1874 01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:19.920 coming out to some games. 1875 01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:21.560 Those nights are going to be beautiful. 1876 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:23.840 So if you haven't joined us, make sure to come 1877 01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:25.720 on out, and if you have joined us, join us 1878 01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:26.640 one last time. 1879 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:28.720 Saturday Night is a big night. 1880 01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:32.159 That's this upcoming Saturday, the twenty third, we have Princess Night, 1881 01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:34.520 so make sure to join us here. Kids get to 1882 01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:36.640 run around the bases after the game, and do not 1883 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:40.640 forget that we'll have the princesses here with a princess theme. 1884 01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:43.760 Dron Show all of that more so great theme night's 1885 01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:46.800 great fun and tickets on Sunday or five bucks getting 1886 01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:47.479 while they last. 1887 01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:48.840 So hope to see you out here. 1888 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:50.720 Good stuff, Tom, Thanks for the time, buddy. You have 1889 01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:51.680 a good week with chat too. 1890 01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:52.760 Appreciate you. 1891 01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:53.199 Thanks man. 1892 01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:55.840 We've got two hours down. We have two hours to go. 1893 01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:58.760 Coming up on the other side, we will interview Matt Brown, 1894 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:01.720 then we'll bring in Pablo. Matt all right, ten days 1895 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:06.520 away from Utah football at the Rose Bowl against UCLA. 1896 01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:10.079 B Yu welcomes in Portland State. Well, Utah, stay, welcomes 1897 01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:13.239 in Utah. It is week zero though, so we have 1898 01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:14.800 college football this weekend. 1899 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:17.239 Our next guest good enough. 1900 01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:20.119 To join us after his personal assistant ran interference earlier, 1901 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:23.479 the great Matt Brown from Extra Points Matt, Happy Wednesday. 1902 01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:24.000 How are we doing? 1903 01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:25.840 Hey, I'm doing great. 1904 01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:30.000 I appreciate nobody taking my eleven year old picking up 1905 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:34.359 the phone and hanging up personally just to glad that 1906 01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:35.800 she didn't accellently get put on the air. 1907 01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:40.279 Well, actually, Matt, in that vein, I told porter I 1908 01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:41.680 was going to ask you if I could interview this 1909 01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:44.119 young lady because at times she does do a little 1910 01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:48.159 Twitter takeover and she seems like a very gregarious, funny 1911 01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:49.479 young lady. 1912 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:50.319 Is that fair to say? 1913 01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:54.520 I would say that she is better at social media 1914 01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:57.000 than I am. I think every single time she ends 1915 01:24:57.079 --> 01:24:59.119 up on my computer when I'm off doing something else, 1916 01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:01.119 people are like, why why are we paying to read 1917 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.000 Matt Let's go, let's go hear the eleven year old 1918 01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:07.439 review of K pop Demon Hunters, and not about who's 1919 01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:09.680 going to join the a Sun next week? Like, sure, 1920 01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:11.359 next time, we'll just get for the fun. 1921 01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:12.119 I'll pay her a buck. 1922 01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:14.079 Love it, Love it well. 1923 01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:15.600 I wanted to have you on for a number of 1924 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:17.840 different reasons, but I saw a tweet of yours that 1925 01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:20.920 caught my attention, got a lot of people's attention that 1926 01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:24.720 I just find to be interesting and not talked about 1927 01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:25.319 a whole lot. 1928 01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:27.720 And look, I say this often. 1929 01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:32.199 You know, I've been in media for about twenty years now, 1930 01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:35.279 but I've spent my entire career in the realm of sports, 1931 01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:39.880 whether it was marketing, pr venue management. And you're really 1932 01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:43.079 sold kind of a bill of goods that oftentimes turns 1933 01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:45.319 out to be completely not the thing you thought it 1934 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:47.039 was going to be. You are asked to work a 1935 01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:49.640 ton of late nights. You're asked to work a ton 1936 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:53.119 of hours, and honestly, if you're lucky enough to work 1937 01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:56.079 your way up to a high position, then. 1938 01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:57.199 You're gonna make a little bit of money. 1939 01:25:57.239 --> 01:25:59.760 But up until then, and most people never make it 1940 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:01.840 that you just don't get paid very well. 1941 01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:04.159 It's not near as glamorous as. 1942 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:06.600 Of what most people believe because we watch the athletes, 1943 01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:09.079 and now college athletes are being paid, Coaches are being 1944 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:12.279 paid millions of dollars, athletic directors are getting rich. But 1945 01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:16.039 what are you hearing about the other people in athletic 1946 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:19.079 departments that are now asked to even carry a heavier 1947 01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:21.439 load without really getting an additional compensation. 1948 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:25.760 There's going to be a bigger story about this next week, 1949 01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:29.680 and I think you're right to draw comparisons to the 1950 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:34.520 media industry, right Like I tell people, I love my job, 1951 01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:37.359 I love running extra points. This isn't the best job 1952 01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:39.880 that I've had so far, and I'm really fortunate that 1953 01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:43.960 I'm I think one of the few media people that 1954 01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:46.159 has a fair amount of autonomy over what I get 1955 01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:47.520 to do every day and makes it. 1956 01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:48.359 Makes a decent living. 1957 01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:52.119 But it's wild to think that I'm probably like the 1958 01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:56.840 top five percent, top ten percent of earners, because the 1959 01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:00.239 comp is so terrible and there's so few jobs left 1960 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:02.800 in this world, even for people who are doing stuff 1961 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:05.760 far more important, I think than what I do. 1962 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:06.680 And this is. 1963 01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:09.800 Very much what I hear a lot from people that 1964 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:13.479 work in college sports, where it was I would say 1965 01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:20.119 bad before COVID, between COVID and House, and now this 1966 01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:24.439 gigantic clawback of research money and federal money at larger 1967 01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:28.319 universities over the last year. It's very rare that I 1968 01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:30.600 talk to anybody that I would describe as a frontline 1969 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:34.600 athletic worker that isn't deeply, deeply burned. 1970 01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:35.319 Out and looking to leave. 1971 01:27:35.439 --> 01:27:37.399 And when I say frontline worker, I'm not talking about 1972 01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:40.359 Kyle Whittingham, although obviously he works a ton of hours. 1973 01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:44.840 I'm talking about the people that actually execute the plans 1974 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:47.760 that coaches and ads put into effects. So these are 1975 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:50.000 not just the comm staffers that you and I talked to. 1976 01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:53.159 These are the athletics trainers. These are the people that 1977 01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:55.279 are trying to sell ticket packages to the Boys and 1978 01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:58.199 Girls Club of Metropolitan Salt Lake City. These are the 1979 01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:01.479 people that are making all the social media and video 1980 01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:04.760 and working on development work and the one hundred and 1981 01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:07.560 fifty plus people in a major athletic department that actually 1982 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:11.399 make everything go. Do these guys get paid like crap? 1983 01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:13.800 And not only do they do, they do they truly 1984 01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:16.279 get paid terribly and kind of you know, run through 1985 01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:16.760 the ringer. 1986 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:18.920 But what I've been hearing more and more. 1987 01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:21.039 Is I'm not expecting to get paid a lot of 1988 01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:23.640 money because I work in sports for a living. I 1989 01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:26.600 do want my boss to be invested in the quality 1990 01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:28.680 of work that I do. I want to feel like 1991 01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:32.239 what I do matters, that there's some kind of connection 1992 01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:36.119 between how well I do my job and success. And 1993 01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:38.319 if you don't feel that once you get to on 1994 01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:40.840 a mid career, a lot of people are going, you 1995 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:42.960 know what, if I'm an athletic trainer, what am I 1996 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:44.840 doing working for the University of Utah When I can 1997 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:48.000 go to some peak private pet clinic, never have to 1998 01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:50.640 work past six o'clock ever again, and make twenty. 1999 01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:51.159 Grand more money. 2000 01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:55.000 There's a real brain drain that I can I can 2001 01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:57.279 see happening not just at the you know you U 2002 01:28:57.279 --> 01:29:00.520 BYU level, but you know, down to the the use 2003 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.359 of the world for the people that are actually making 2004 01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:05.760 stuff happen, and that that is not a. 2005 01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:08.079 Positive thing for the industry, just like it's not for media. 2006 01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:11.319 I mean, I could give you a list of so 2007 01:29:11.439 --> 01:29:15.159 many names of brid eyed, bushytailed young people who would 2008 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:17.760 you know, contact me how can I get in sports? 2009 01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:20.479 And you know, then you provide an avenue and then 2010 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:24.000 suddenly they try it out and they just don't last. 2011 01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:27.640 You know, I do think we romanticize the industry in 2012 01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:30.840 a way that to your point, people that have a 2013 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:34.439 skill set that could be translated into other endeavors to 2014 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:36.960 allow their pocketbooks to a little bit a little bit differently. 2015 01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:39.720 They want to work for Utah football because it's cool, 2016 01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:42.119 they want to work for BYU basketball because it's cool, 2017 01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:45.640 and then ultimately it just it doesn't last when they 2018 01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.159 experience the reality of it. 2019 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:48.239 Now, it's not everybody. 2020 01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.439 There are plenty of people that have careers in the 2021 01:29:50.479 --> 01:29:53.159 space and they're you know, able to kind of find 2022 01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:55.319 their way into a landing spot that allows them to 2023 01:29:55.359 --> 01:29:58.439 make a good living. But what sort of extra added 2024 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:03.319 weight or pressure or workload have you heard that these 2025 01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:06.199 staffers have received as a result of things like nil 2026 01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:08.920 and the new reality of what college athletics looks looks 2027 01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:10.239 like yeah. 2028 01:30:10.279 --> 01:30:13.359 So I think an example that I hear a lot 2029 01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:17.479 from both big and small schools is with trainers. 2030 01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:20.279 Right, in a perfect world, you want. 2031 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:24.600 Some kind of emergency trained medical professional trainer that's at 2032 01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:28.239 every practice and and every game, and you'll have some 2033 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:30.920 of those folks. You'll be in the traveling party for 2034 01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:33.399 every sport as they go across the country. 2035 01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:35.800 Well as you are. And let's let's say you're. 2036 01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:38.520 A basketball coach, right, and you're really mad at your team. 2037 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:40.920 They went out there and they played some late November 2038 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:43.680 game against to the head Cares Division two team and 2039 01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:46.640 there they stuck up the joint. So the coach calls 2040 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:50.159 an emergency practice at eleven o'clock at night. Well, guess 2041 01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:52.760 what that means. The trainer who might have had plans 2042 01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:54.760 has to cancel all those and they have to show 2043 01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:59.600 up too. And you'll follow follow the same structure here 2044 01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:02.159 as as everybody else, but you don't get paid over 2045 01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:06.119 time or any of that. And what is increasingly, I 2046 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:08.920 am told the case outside of the power flour is 2047 01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:11.800 you have trainers who then are responsible for serving so 2048 01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:14.800 many different athletes that they don't feel that they can 2049 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:18.000 provide a high standard of care if they're responsible for 2050 01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.079 four or five different teams. And when you go to 2051 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:22.399 the school and say, hey, we've got to allocate money 2052 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:25.680 to have more trainers, are like, well, that's fine, we 2053 01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:27.439 don't have any money because they got to pay the players, 2054 01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:28.239 or we. 2055 01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:31.239 We have to we spend all this money on new. 2056 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:34.479 Facilities, or the state isn't going to give us any money, 2057 01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:35.960 or the fens aren't going to give us any money. 2058 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:38.359 So this is the place that we decide to cut 2059 01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:42.840 corners until it's too late. It's very rare. 2060 01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:44.199 I think at this point that I can think of 2061 01:31:44.199 --> 01:31:45.680 schools that have hired common staff. 2062 01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:49.319 Most people have laid off or strunk their staffs, while 2063 01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:53.319 also asking them to produce more social media content, to 2064 01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:56.920 produce more videos, to produce more features, to be more visible, 2065 01:31:57.159 --> 01:31:58.520 sometimes even doing sales work. 2066 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:02.880 All of all of this is a lot, and I don't. 2067 01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:05.560 Think it's just about money. I think part of the 2068 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:08.039 trade that people make when they work in college sports 2069 01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:11.319 is I'm going to take less salary in exchange for 2070 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:14.439 really rewarding work that's around athletes. And also, if I'm 2071 01:32:14.479 --> 01:32:17.319 working for a university system, I should get pretty good benefits. 2072 01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:21.880 And I think that kind of trade offs is increasingly 2073 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:22.720 not holding up. 2074 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:25.720 All right, Matt, moving off this one. 2075 01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:29.720 Tell our listeners and me what the Score Act is 2076 01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.359 and why we need to know about it. And as 2077 01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:34.840 it kind of continues to gain some momentum, do you 2078 01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:37.319 think we're getting closer to this actually becoming a reality. 2079 01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:39.760 I think we're getting closer to a passing the House. 2080 01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:45.439 The Score Act is actually a bipartisan bill, although it's 2081 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:51.159 overwhelmingly supported by Congressional House Republicans, to address a lot 2082 01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:54.239 of the stuff that the NCAA has been asking for years. 2083 01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.840 It would give the NCUBA an anti trust exemption to 2084 01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:02.199 be able to enforce an IL regulations, to be enforce 2085 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:04.920 the terms of the House Settlement, and and so they 2086 01:33:04.920 --> 01:33:05.640 won't get sued. 2087 01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:08.479 And it's like it's. 2088 01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:12.119 Are not and shouldn't be designated as employees regardless of 2089 01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:15.840 what happens with Johnson v. V mc double A or 2090 01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:19.399 other future court cases. This is something that's really important. 2091 01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:23.000 It's a powerful conference conference leaders, but also folks in 2092 01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:27.039 Indianapolis at the incident because their concern is without some 2093 01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:32.199 of these anti trust exemptions, the CSC can't actually, you know, 2094 01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:35.199 smack down anybody's nil deal that goes above the cap, 2095 01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:38.840 they won't be able to enforce eligibility rules, and shoot, 2096 01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:41.640 we already had that. We just saw today grant in 2097 01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:44.520 junction first and West Virginia athletes to be able to 2098 01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:50.039 play a lot of athlete rights this and economists and 2099 01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:53.720 many progressors look at this and think this is terrible 2100 01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:56.920 because it's all it does is handle over power right 2101 01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.880 back to the NC double a that the Supreme Court. 2102 01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:03.880 I'm a Strip student, and that lots of athlete rights 2103 01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:06.319 activists have said that they shouldn't have in the first place. 2104 01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:09.600 It would be a step towards kind of consolidating what 2105 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:12.960 the college sports world order looked like about a decade ago. 2106 01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.800 I can tell you guys, it's very likely. 2107 01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:18.399 To pass the US House. It has widespread Republican support. 2108 01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:20.880 There's three Democrats that are co signing it. Probably at 2109 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:23.439 least one more will vote for it. The question is 2110 01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:25.279 what happens in the Senate, because if you want to 2111 01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:27.720 break the filibuster, you need more than fifty one votes. 2112 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:31.000 And the Senate Republicans, last time I talked to some 2113 01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:33.760 staffers there, feel pretty good about getting some Democrat support. 2114 01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:36.039 They don't think they have sixty votes yet, so we'll 2115 01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:36.720 have to see. 2116 01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:40.760 Started the show off today after listening to Brian Rolapp, 2117 01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:43.479 who's the new commissioner, excuse me, the new CEO of 2118 01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:47.000 the PGA Tour. Brian spent twenty two years as Roger 2119 01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:49.600 Goodell's right hand man, friend of the program of actually 2120 01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:51.880 interviewed me a couple of times. He's a really really smart, 2121 01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:57.279 really sharp guy, and he gave a very eloquent, organized 2122 01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:01.640 message about this committee that he's starting with nine people 2123 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:03.960 led by Tiger Tiger Woods is going to be on it, 2124 01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:07.840 and he used the word innovate about six or seven times. 2125 01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:10.399 They want to innovate, they want to improve, they want 2126 01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:14.119 to capitalize on this moment the golf is having that 2127 01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:16.720 it quite frankly has never had. It is so wildly 2128 01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:19.239 popular that you can barely get a tea time, and 2129 01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:22.760 they're like five six hour rounds, so everybody's like ratings 2130 01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:27.560 are up, interest is up, you know. And to juxtapose 2131 01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:30.920 what I perceived to be a very intelligent, organized approach 2132 01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:34.479 from a new CEO of the PGA Tour, I talked 2133 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.520 a lot about the difference between innovation and then change 2134 01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:41.199 for change's sake, and it seems like college athletics, college 2135 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:44.920 football specifically oftentimes just wants to change, just to change. 2136 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:48.119 And the new proposal that was forwarded by the Big 2137 01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:52.439 Ten to expand the CFP to twenty eight to give 2138 01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:56.560 the Big ten seven auto bids, the SEC seven, Big 2139 01:35:56.600 --> 01:35:58.560 twelve would get five, the ACC would get five. Then 2140 01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:02.359 there's some left over number or it strikes me as 2141 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:06.279 so tone deaf because you eliminate conference championship games and 2142 01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:10.720 what you do is almost not entirely, but you really 2143 01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.319 do kill the main thing that I think makes this 2144 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:17.199 sport great, and that is the prescient nature of every weekend, 2145 01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:20.199 the urgent nature of every single conference game. 2146 01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:22.479 Does this thing have any legs at all? 2147 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:25.640 Like, what's your reaction when you saw that this is 2148 01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:28.560 the thing that the Big ten decided to actually leak 2149 01:36:28.600 --> 01:36:29.000 out there? 2150 01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:33.119 When I first heard about this, my first thought is 2151 01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:39.600 always I personally appreciate when schools and conference offices are 2152 01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:43.159 willing to leak stuff to reporters, throw things at the 2153 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:47.399 wall that they know are not completely baked and get 2154 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:49.279 beaten up a little bit, because I actually I think 2155 01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:52.359 that's a way to kind of keep organizations from making 2156 01:36:52.359 --> 01:36:55.439 really bad decisions. And sometimes after an idea kind of 2157 01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:58.560 gets dragged through the national you know, discourse circuit. 2158 01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:00.000 Sometimes it comes out better. 2159 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:02.279 And that was kind of my read on the Big 2160 01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:04.560 Ten's proposal. Like I'll tell you, I talk to people 2161 01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:06.399 that work at the Big Ten, Like Big ten headquarters 2162 01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:09.279 is fifteen minutes from my house. There are people that 2163 01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:11.199 have Big ten email addresses, are like, now, this is. 2164 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:11.920 A stupid idea. 2165 01:37:12.399 --> 01:37:15.680 And what I think this is more about is trying 2166 01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:20.159 to negotiate in public to throw something out so Atlantish 2167 01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:22.640 and like ash Hucks, You're right, twenty six is way 2168 01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:25.119 too many. We should go back to sixteen, right and 2169 01:37:25.439 --> 01:37:28.359 try to you know, shift the terms of the debate 2170 01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:31.039 to go get what they really want, which is automatic 2171 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:35.479 more automatic bids. So a team like in Iowa or 2172 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:39.279 Minnesota or Wisconsin that will probably not make the twolth 2173 01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:42.920 team college football playoff more than once a decade has 2174 01:37:43.399 --> 01:37:45.359 more of a pathway to that world. I think that 2175 01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:49.760 overwhelmingly benefits the Big Ten in the SEC. The plus sucks. 2176 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:52.720 Like I agree with you, I haven't seen. 2177 01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:55.399 Anybody in the here in the Midwest. 2178 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:57.800 In the footprints, you know, really really. 2179 01:37:57.600 --> 01:37:59.720 Cake for this thing. I don't even think the math 2180 01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:03.880 pens out because conference championship games, even as they are, 2181 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:07.199 you know, less important than they were in like nineteen 2182 01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:12.399 ninety four, they're enormously valuable, not just broadcast television inventory, 2183 01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:16.880 but they're really important for conference sponsorships. Like you know this, 2184 01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:19.159 the SEC and the Big Ten make a lot of 2185 01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:23.520 money selling sponsorships at Lucas Oil Stadium and and you 2186 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:25.800 know the Georgia to only all these other places for 2187 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:29.039 these events. So you have to bet that now, you know, 2188 01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:31.439 moving inventory that you control. 2189 01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:33.039 To the college Football Playoff that you don't. 2190 01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:36.359 Control will make you financially whole I for a game, 2191 01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:38.039 first round game that's going to feature you like two 2192 01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:42.119 eight and five teams. I very much struggle to see 2193 01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:43.319 how that works for anybody. 2194 01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:48.720 The Salt Lake Tribune did a really interesting piece this 2195 01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:53.760 week on BYU and their athletic department budget is doubled 2196 01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:58.239 since twenty twenty. According to the Tribune, they interviewed a 2197 01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:02.199 history professor at by You excuse me, he's a leading 2198 01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:04.520 Latter Day Saint expert of Colorado State. His name is 2199 01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:09.119 Matt Harris. The Church Commissioner of Education Clark Gilbert. He's 2200 01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:12.760 a general authority UH sent out you know, this tweet 2201 01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:16.560 about you know, the way that BYU should handle their 2202 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:20.079 nil endeavors and their economic model. Uh, and they they 2203 01:39:20.119 --> 01:39:22.319 went in depth and we've talked about it quite a bit, 2204 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:26.119 and ultimately there's just kind of this, uh, this conversation 2205 01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:28.640 going on about whether or not the modern version of 2206 01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:32.399 Cougar athletics is at odds with what BYU's mission is 2207 01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:36.039 according to their their own mission, their own model, And 2208 01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:38.520 it does appear there are a lot of people who 2209 01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:42.560 work for BYU that aren't necessarily comfortable and you know, 2210 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:46.680 the the friction between academia and athletics at institutions as 2211 01:39:46.680 --> 01:39:48.840 the tales old as time, this is not a new thing, 2212 01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:51.680 but certainly a lot of people, Uh, you know, the 2213 01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:55.000 pay for play is not landing all that well with 2214 01:39:55.079 --> 01:39:57.640 certain people down at BYU. The fans love it, of course, 2215 01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:00.680 because you're getting better talent with the basketball team and 2216 01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:03.800 the football team. It just continues to be the messaging 2217 01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:06.560 of you know, people in the athletic department that doesn't 2218 01:40:06.640 --> 01:40:09.359 land with me because they're they're lying, is what they're doing. 2219 01:40:09.960 --> 01:40:12.920 They have been among the highest bidders to land certain 2220 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:17.119 players that have played that are playing for basketball and football. 2221 01:40:17.199 --> 01:40:20.279 The average Big twelve roster, according to the Tribune, will 2222 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:23.039 be about twelve million dollars this year. BYU's is going 2223 01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:26.239 to cost more than fifteen million. They're paying Kevin Young 2224 01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:29.239 as one of the highest paid basketball coaches in the country. 2225 01:40:29.319 --> 01:40:32.199 Kilani got a new deal Rob Wright three point five 2226 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:36.119 million from Baylor, Richie Saunders seven figures. But there continues 2227 01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:40.159 to be this like clandestine approach to messaging from the 2228 01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:42.640 athletic department that they just do not want to say 2229 01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:45.439 the truth out loud, which is you are among the 2230 01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:48.960 highest bidders in college athletics, which is a benefit to you. 2231 01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:50.239 You are not breaking the rules. 2232 01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:52.319 You should be able to say it out loud as 2233 01:40:52.359 --> 01:40:56.279 opposed to lean into the BYU experience. And that's why 2234 01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:59.079 AJ sat like, you're paying him five million dollars, like 2235 01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:03.000 it's really interesting piece, And I just wonder what your 2236 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:06.520 thoughts are with this dichotomy between one side of what 2237 01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:09.319 appears to be down at BYU with some administrators not 2238 01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:11.920 being comfortable with the way they're going about it. Then 2239 01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:14.279 on the other side in the athletic department, while they're 2240 01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:16.479 clearly writing big checks, they just don't want to say 2241 01:41:16.479 --> 01:41:17.039 that out loud. 2242 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.640 Yeah, I'll answer this question with the caveat that I 2243 01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:22.640 have not had a chance to read this in its entirety, 2244 01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:24.600 Like that's one of the stories that I've had opened 2245 01:41:24.640 --> 01:41:27.560 on a tab for a minute here. Well, what I 2246 01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:29.840 can tell you just from being on this beat here 2247 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:32.600 for a minute is that it's pretty rare to find 2248 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:37.119 an AD or a senior administrator or a president who's 2249 01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:40.439 willing to say on the record, yes, we do pay 2250 01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:43.920 near the top of the market for talent. When I 2251 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:46.560 was at the college football National Championship game and I 2252 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:48.680 was down on the field after Ohio State won, and 2253 01:41:48.720 --> 01:41:52.279 I ran over and I grabbed ros Byorke as the 2254 01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:55.359 confetti is falling down Ohio state'sad and the only thing 2255 01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:58.000 that he wanted to talk about in that moment was, Hey, 2256 01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:00.960 Matt put it in the paper that we didn't have 2257 01:42:01.039 --> 01:42:03.359 the highest payroll for our football team, which which wasn't 2258 01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:07.239 actually true they didn't, but like that was the narrative 2259 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:08.520 that they wanted to spend. 2260 01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:10.880 I feel like the only school that's. 2261 01:42:10.680 --> 01:42:12.520 Been willing to kind of say it with their chest 2262 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.359 this offseason that yes, we are opening up our checkbook 2263 01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:17.800 is Texas Tech, and and A big part of that 2264 01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:20.960 is because the checkbook opening up is not exclusively coming 2265 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:24.079 from the university. It's also it's also coming from some booster. 2266 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:27.600 So I think that there's there's a there's a discomfort 2267 01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:31.000 with with admitting we are paying in the top twenty 2268 01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:33.800 percentile for X, Y and Z. I don't think that's 2269 01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:36.600 unique to b YU. I don't think it's unique to 2270 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:40.640 the LDS church. Like that's that. I think if you 2271 01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:42.399 if we if we called up Scott what we're at 2272 01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:44.680 LSU right now or Brian Kelly, he'd probably tell us 2273 01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:45.680 the same thing, even if. 2274 01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:46.479 It's not true. 2275 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:51.199 I also think, knowing what I know about BAU athletics, 2276 01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:54.479 if there's some some some discomforts with with answering some 2277 01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:56.760 of those questions, like look, you have to you have 2278 01:42:56.840 --> 01:42:58.279 to say what if you're going to say something in. 2279 01:42:58.199 --> 01:43:00.079 The paper, you you have to say what you're. 2280 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:02.199 Bosses want you to say, even if you know in 2281 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:05.520 your heart that that yes, you know our our payrolls 2282 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:07.560 and the X percenter you know for X, Y and Z. 2283 01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:09.439 If you know that, if you say that in the trade, 2284 01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:11.439 if Clark Gilbert's gonna yell at You're not gonna do it. 2285 01:43:11.479 --> 01:43:14.239 I understand that this is legitimately. 2286 01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:18.000 Like I'm not being dismissive or just saying that pejoratively, 2287 01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:20.720 like that's that's the gig, And that's true at state schools, 2288 01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:24.159 and and that's true somewhere else. There's a lot of 2289 01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:27.920 unique tensions in a place like b YU between the 2290 01:43:27.960 --> 01:43:33.399 athletic department, between academia, between central administration, between high level donors. 2291 01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:36.600 And I know that that's that's not unique to just nil. 2292 01:43:37.680 --> 01:43:37.960 I don't. 2293 01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:39.479 I don't think this is a state this is this 2294 01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:41.239 is a this is talking out of school or gonna 2295 01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:43.800 get me in trouble or anything. But the etholic department 2296 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:46.359 at b r U is gonna have often has a 2297 01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:49.560 different view about diversity related issues than everybody else because 2298 01:43:49.560 --> 01:43:52.119 they talked they work with the most diverse pool students 2299 01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:54.920 than anybody in the law school or the business school 2300 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:57.640 or or administration does like it's it's in their interest 2301 01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:01.199 to maybe have a lighter touch or more. 2302 01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:04.399 Inclusive touch for their students. That it might be if 2303 01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:06.159 all you do is teach American heritage. 2304 01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:08.880 That's true for fundraising that that you know that that's 2305 01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:10.680 true for for lots of other departments. 2306 01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:12.239 I don't know how it ends. 2307 01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:12.760 Like. 2308 01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:15.840 What I would say to anybody listening to this trying 2309 01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:20.000 my very best to not be biased, is I don't 2310 01:44:20.039 --> 01:44:22.720 think there's a writer or wrong way to feel about this. 2311 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:26.960 From my reading of the scriptures and my understanding of 2312 01:44:27.079 --> 01:44:31.479 LDS theology, I don't think there is anything that you know, 2313 01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:34.800 runs counter to church teachings in paying a basketball player 2314 01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:38.119 of five million dollars, I understand for cultural reasons or 2315 01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:41.520 other reasons. Why so that would make somebody uncomfortable, And 2316 01:44:41.720 --> 01:44:45.199 I think both of those feelings are valid. I share 2317 01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:47.880 your thought that I wish the people that we. 2318 01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:50.439 Talked to would would just tell us. 2319 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.520 The full truth instead of hiding behind euphanisms. 2320 01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:57.199 But that is I you know, I don't think I 2321 01:44:57.239 --> 01:44:58.479 could throw any any. 2322 01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:02.079 Proverbial rocks, just that provo for that, because I think 2323 01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:06.039 that's a higher education challenge, not just the Utah County challenge. 2324 01:45:06.079 --> 01:45:08.039 For sure, you know, I find interested. 2325 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:10.439 I've got a good friend who's a Notre Dame alum, 2326 01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:14.560 and he's Catholic, obviously Notre Dame Catholic the tie there, 2327 01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:18.640 and we were discussing he's done well and he donates 2328 01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:21.760 heavily to his alma mater, and he loves Notre Dame football, 2329 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:26.880 Notre Dame basketball, and the language he uses isn't unlike 2330 01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:28.920 what I hear from some of my LDS buddies who 2331 01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:31.800 went to BYU. 2332 01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:31.880 Who also you know. 2333 01:45:32.079 --> 01:45:35.199 It's just kind of it almost feels in a way, Matt, 2334 01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:38.000 that some of these religious institutions have this built in 2335 01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:41.880 advantage when it comes to raising money with nil because 2336 01:45:41.880 --> 01:45:44.640 if you are a faithful member of a certain religion 2337 01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:47.159 and you believe that your money will help further the 2338 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:50.039 message of the religion you belong to, if your by 2339 01:45:50.039 --> 01:45:52.079 you were Notre Dame, you can send out the message 2340 01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:55.800 to the masses like, okay, all you faithful believers, our 2341 01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:58.680 football program being good helps the mission of the church, 2342 01:45:58.720 --> 01:46:01.399 so open up your checkbook. Kind of an interesting dynamic 2343 01:46:01.479 --> 01:46:04.199 that some of these faith based institutions do kind of 2344 01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:06.399 have this nil thought raising advantage. 2345 01:46:06.399 --> 01:46:06.560 You know. 2346 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:10.960 Yeah, maybe like that actually I think might be something 2347 01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:15.079 that that's worth investigating or worth turning into an actual story. 2348 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:15.640 You know. 2349 01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:17.680 One of one of the differences I think between b 2350 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:20.399 YU and that kind of approach and maybe other large 2351 01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:26.680 religious institutions in Division one is uh, most Protestant and 2352 01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:28.760 even Catholic institutions are. 2353 01:46:28.640 --> 01:46:30.039 Not missionary focused. 2354 01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:33.720 The these, the these you know, the spreading the message 2355 01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:37.199 of Catholicism through Notre Dame football does not have like 2356 01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:40.439 the same doesn't mean the same thing, I think as 2357 01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:42.479 as as it does in Mormondom. I don't know if 2358 01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:44.920 there's as many people that are like you know, checking 2359 01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:47.560 the annual statu reports about about how many people went 2360 01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:49.359 to Mass or or you know, if they opened up 2361 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:52.039 a new parish somewhere, maybe the same way that that 2362 01:46:52.039 --> 01:46:55.359 that that happens in this market. I think there what 2363 01:46:55.399 --> 01:46:58.760 you're describing is something that could be true for Liberty, 2364 01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:02.560 that it could be true for some other institutions, But 2365 01:47:03.159 --> 01:47:05.119 there's a lot of faith based schools, and like, I 2366 01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:07.840 don't know if that helps Jamie raise money at Grand Canyon, 2367 01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:11.720 I don't. I don't think that that necessarily works for Baylor. 2368 01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:13.880 And I don't know if there's anybody other than outside 2369 01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:17.159 of the immediate Waco area that thinks like Baylor Bears 2370 01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:22.600 football victories is as a positive sign for Baptists to 2371 01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:27.920 slay the godless Episcopalians in the Protestant Wars or something like. 2372 01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:29.880 I don't, I don't I don't think it necessarily works 2373 01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:34.079 that way. I think from an outsider who you know, 2374 01:47:34.119 --> 01:47:37.960 who spent a long time in the LDS world, I 2375 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:40.239 think that that kind of argument would has a little 2376 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.960 bit more emotional heft about trying to give it, about 2377 01:47:44.079 --> 01:47:46.800 the importance of constantly trying to to grow and spread 2378 01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:50.560 this message and to get validation in the national culture. 2379 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:53.439 I don't think that's a thing that like Wake Forest 2380 01:47:53.439 --> 01:47:55.319 fans think about the same way, because they already are 2381 01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:56.079 part of the culture. 2382 01:47:56.319 --> 01:47:59.359 Certainly, yeah, yeah, yeah, And certainly the examples I utilize 2383 01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:02.359 your anecdotal would be interested to hear somebody like you 2384 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:04.399 read somebody like you actually dig into it to see 2385 01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:07.960 if there's anything there. But look, man, good, I guess yeah. 2386 01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:10.359 I'm glad we were able to get past the first 2387 01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:12.520 layer of the brown household to get you on the 2388 01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:13.239 show today. 2389 01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:15.800 Where where can people go get the work? My friend? 2390 01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:19.239 You bet you can find my work my reporting at 2391 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:23.640 extra Points mb dot com. I have some I'm gonna 2392 01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:26.640 break a little bit of news about some some SCS 2393 01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:30.079 conference re alignment tomorrow. I've got I've got some reporting 2394 01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:32.119 that's gonna come out in a couple of days about 2395 01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:35.119 they kind of burn out crisis within within college sports. 2396 01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:38.600 I'm gonna be in the in Raleigh this weekend for. 2397 01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:42.359 The Raleigh Sports Podcast Festival and doing a little reporting 2398 01:48:42.399 --> 01:48:45.079 there and then next week when everyone else is talking 2399 01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:47.000 about the biggest games in college sports, Like I mean, 2400 01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:49.800 I'm excited, I'm going to Texas to go to the 2401 01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:52.119 first ever game at ut RGV. 2402 01:48:53.239 --> 01:48:55.520 We're gonna, We're gonna counter program you have, you have 2403 01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:58.239 State Texas, you know world here. 2404 01:48:58.279 --> 01:49:01.119 I'm excited for some of the places off the beaten path. 2405 01:49:01.159 --> 01:49:03.000 I think extra Points will be going this season. 2406 01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:03.720 Very nice. 2407 01:49:03.720 --> 01:49:05.720 Well, thank you for the time, Save travels and we'll 2408 01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:06.199 chat soon. 2409 01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:07.760 Thanks Matt, Oh, yep, you bet. 2410 01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:11.920 Thanks friend, the great Matt Brown College the college football 2411 01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.760 newsletters called extra Points. 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We 2437 01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:19.319 also have a match this weekend in Sandy, which is 2438 01:50:19.319 --> 01:50:22.199 a big one for the lads. Rsl welcomes in Minnesota 2439 01:50:22.760 --> 01:50:25.239 our next guest, the head coach over Real saw Lake. 2440 01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:28.159 On a Wednesday, Pablo Master Whennie pops Happy Wednesday, Man, 2441 01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:28.640 how are we doing? 2442 01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:31.199 Happy ones? Just spend doing well, buds. 2443 01:50:32.039 --> 01:50:33.920 I hate to start it out this way, but you 2444 01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:36.800 know where I'm going. And I'm certainly no soccer expert, 2445 01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:39.880 but my soccer pee brain says, when a player kicks 2446 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:42.159 a ball and the defender hits that ball with his hand, 2447 01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:46.359 typically that is what is known as a handball. I 2448 01:50:46.359 --> 01:50:48.840 don't know, man, I hate to continue to harp on 2449 01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:52.239 this officiating stuff, but it seems like weekend and week out, 2450 01:50:52.279 --> 01:50:54.720 you guys have to feel a little hard done. 2451 01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:55.279 Is that fair? 2452 01:50:55.479 --> 01:50:58.479 Yep, yeah, I think I think it's absolutely fair. And 2453 01:50:59.239 --> 01:51:01.720 the other way just affects the group. Is this momentum, 2454 01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:05.479 you know, And I think it's like Murphy's law, those 2455 01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:07.640 things that you think might happen end up happening. You know, 2456 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:10.279 two games in a row where we're just on the 2457 01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:13.119 wrong side of some calls. But I really like Porter's point, 2458 01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:14.720 you know. I talked to him before getting on and 2459 01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:17.880 he says, you know, they always say everything always evens 2460 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:20.359 out at the end, and because you guys have taking 2461 01:51:20.399 --> 01:51:23.520 so many bad calls this year, it's going to come 2462 01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:25.840 down to the last games. And making a great run 2463 01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:28.039 to the playoffs. So I really like that positive spin. 2464 01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:31.119 Well, he stole that point from Dunny yesterday. 2465 01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:34.039 Look at you, quarter, at least give Dunny credit if 2466 01:51:34.079 --> 01:51:35.680 you're going to try to brag the Pablo. 2467 01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:38.760 I know Dounny did bring it up. Okay, all right, 2468 01:51:39.159 --> 01:51:42.279 if it does bring true, it's going to swing real fart. 2469 01:51:42.439 --> 01:51:43.800 No, all good, all good. 2470 01:51:44.119 --> 01:51:46.119 Hey, Look, we need to give Porter some love because 2471 01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:48.439 when he makes a good point, it makes him feel 2472 01:51:48.479 --> 01:51:49.920 good to acknowledge it. 2473 01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:51.039 So I'm glad you brought it up. 2474 01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:55.199 Okay, Let's move over to the tackle on a Mecca 2475 01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:58.439 also like in real time, because here's the thing, Like 2476 01:51:58.439 --> 01:51:59.880 a Mecca's a sturdy kid. 2477 01:51:59.680 --> 01:52:01.319 And he doesn't dive. Okay. 2478 01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:02.079 Uh. 2479 01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:04.119 And so when I saw the tackle, I'm like, I 2480 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:05.960 need to see a replay. Then I saw the replay 2481 01:52:06.039 --> 01:52:09.000 like that to me, clearly is reckless and violence. I 2482 01:52:09.079 --> 01:52:11.000 mean that felt like a red card to me. 2483 01:52:11.680 --> 01:52:15.239 Yep, No, and again his arms across his neck chest 2484 01:52:15.319 --> 01:52:17.880 area and he's throwing them down and and again. The 2485 01:52:17.920 --> 01:52:22.600 weird thing is the subjectivity part is you know, we'll 2486 01:52:22.640 --> 01:52:25.279 see all these replays and we're gonna, I think, start 2487 01:52:25.359 --> 01:52:30.239 in the in the referee preseason video of all the 2488 01:52:30.279 --> 01:52:33.239 calls that they do differently, because again we you know, 2489 01:52:33.279 --> 01:52:36.880 we get feedback from the refs every week and kurts 2490 01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:39.840 on the call, and you know, I jumped on last week. 2491 01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:41.800 I didn't jump on this week because again, they're not 2492 01:52:41.800 --> 01:52:43.560 going to change the results. And I think that's the 2493 01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:46.399 biggest thing for me, is like, you know, what what 2494 01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:50.560 areas can we look into in the game state? And 2495 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:52.640 obviously that affects players, you know, when calls don't go 2496 01:52:52.680 --> 01:52:55.159 your way, obviously you get frust your initial reactions frustration, 2497 01:52:55.279 --> 01:52:57.680 it's like we're being cheated here, and then you start 2498 01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:00.000 to lose sight of the game. And so I think 2499 01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:01.880 it's really important for my part, you know, because that 2500 01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:03.840 did look like a red card, and we've been red 2501 01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:05.640 carded for a lot less than that. I mean, Diego 2502 01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:08.720 is red carded the two games before in New York 2503 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:12.239 where the other guy grabbed his put his arms around 2504 01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:15.199 Diego's neck and he still got red carded. So I 2505 01:53:15.239 --> 01:53:18.159 think for us, it's really thinking about the details and 2506 01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:21.000 and and how we can incorporate you know, Ruan Cruz 2507 01:53:21.079 --> 01:53:25.399 and Victor Olatunji and and really make a strong run 2508 01:53:25.439 --> 01:53:27.439 here because we have a great opponent in Minnesota at 2509 01:53:27.479 --> 01:53:30.239 the weekend who's a flying and it just takes one 2510 01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:33.720 moment and like you know, Porter and Donny Bradley pointed, 2511 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:35.359 I think we're going to get a break this weekend, 2512 01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:37.399 and and not a break that's not fair because I 2513 01:53:37.399 --> 01:53:39.920 don't want that either. I just want a well officiated 2514 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:42.479 game and with good momentum. You know, I think we'll 2515 01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:44.239 we'll we'll make a run here to the playoffs. 2516 01:53:44.359 --> 01:53:46.159 I'll ask you one more thing about this and we 2517 01:53:46.199 --> 01:53:48.479 can move on and talk about how the team is 2518 01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:51.680 coming together. But when you do some simple math, because 2519 01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:55.279 here's here's always it's always been my issue with officials 2520 01:53:55.319 --> 01:53:59.319 that I don't think they fully understand what's at stake 2521 01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:01.479 when they bought a call. Because if you miss the 2522 01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:04.439 playoffs and you're a coach, there's an owner that might say, Okay, 2523 01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:07.000 that's not good enough or right. If you're a player 2524 01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:09.399 that doesn't have the opportunity to tallly a goal that 2525 01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:12.520 he deserves, then that looks bad on him and his stats, 2526 01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:14.960 and suddenly you can't like there's a lot at stake 2527 01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:18.399 when calls are made that that directly affect outcomes. It's 2528 01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:20.199 it's one thing to miss a call here or there, 2529 01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:22.680 but when points are taken off the table the way 2530 01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:25.680 they've been with you, maybe six or seven matches, you 2531 01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:28.119 do some simple math, pops and if you get half 2532 01:54:28.119 --> 01:54:30.159 of those calls, you're in the top six or seven, 2533 01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:32.079 you know what I mean. So, so how do you 2534 01:54:32.199 --> 01:54:34.159 how do you reconcile that when you're talking to your 2535 01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:35.520 players about this dynamic? 2536 01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:38.560 Yeah, I think Spence, that's the hardest thing because the 2537 01:54:38.640 --> 01:54:41.319 last thing I want to do is quite to something 2538 01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:43.760 that we have no control over, you know, And so 2539 01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:47.239 I don't think I you know, in this last time, 2540 01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:50.680 I didn't even acknowledge this Charlotte game, you know, because 2541 01:54:50.880 --> 01:54:55.640 it's futile. And the thing is is that mice. I'm left, 2542 01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:59.359 you know, fuming over all these these situations as opposed 2543 01:54:59.359 --> 01:55:02.039 to given my ennery the things that we can control 2544 01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:04.119 and things that we need to look forward on, because 2545 01:55:04.520 --> 01:55:06.520 you know, life happens, you know, it's that's in the 2546 01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:09.399 past and now we have to move forward. And so 2547 01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:11.720 I think, again, I'm always trying to be an example 2548 01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:14.039 of how I want the players to behave and obviously 2549 01:55:14.039 --> 01:55:17.399 after the game, we're frustrated. You know, we end up 2550 01:55:17.439 --> 01:55:20.039 conceding on a on a set piece, something that's that 2551 01:55:20.039 --> 01:55:23.439 that you know we're completely in control of and and 2552 01:55:23.560 --> 01:55:27.840 did that moment fifteen minutes earlier affect us? And so 2553 01:55:27.880 --> 01:55:29.560 the more I bring it up, the more I feel 2554 01:55:29.560 --> 01:55:31.439 it's okay for the players to feel the way they do. 2555 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:33.479 And what I want to do is like, let's get 2556 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:36.279 on with it. It's not fair, but no one cares. 2557 01:55:36.479 --> 01:55:39.840 It's on us to rectify that. So it's really tough. 2558 01:55:39.880 --> 01:55:42.640 It's not easy, especially when it's been so many this year. 2559 01:55:43.560 --> 01:55:45.840 And but but again, I'm going to go back to 2560 01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:48.680 Porter's point. It's going to come back to us in droves. 2561 01:55:49.399 --> 01:55:52.119 He's going to be so insufferable after this interview he's 2562 01:55:52.119 --> 01:55:54.279 doing he's doing a fist pump in the studio. 2563 01:55:54.800 --> 01:55:57.000 Okay, all right, No, I like it. 2564 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:59.199 We can give our guy a little credit here, all right. 2565 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:03.000 You reference Rawan and Victor. We've seen both of them. Now, 2566 01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:06.800 just give us an update on how it's going to 2567 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:09.359 integrate them into the system, and then tell us about 2568 01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:11.680 how training is going. Are they grasping what you're asking 2569 01:56:11.720 --> 01:56:13.640 them to do as we get familiar with these two 2570 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:14.760 new acquisitions. 2571 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:19.000 Yeah, and again I think this is why there's been 2572 01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:23.920 talked about changing the season around, and it's it's it's 2573 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:28.000 so difficult to integate, integrate guys with eight games left, right, 2574 01:56:28.079 --> 01:56:30.399 and there's so many variables in our league. And I 2575 01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:32.239 think I touched on it last week, but as far 2576 01:56:32.279 --> 01:56:34.680 as you know, our tactics are going to be different 2577 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:37.520 than the way either of them played. And then understanding 2578 01:56:37.560 --> 01:56:41.000 how they you know, what their teammates' qualities are, right 2579 01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:45.399 and who you're playing alongside. And but they've today they 2580 01:56:45.399 --> 01:56:47.800 were awesome. Both of them are awesome, and you see 2581 01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:51.800 with every training session that they're getting a really good 2582 01:56:51.880 --> 01:56:54.880 understanding of both the team tactics and more importantly, how 2583 01:56:55.159 --> 01:56:57.119 how they can play off each other. They're both really 2584 01:56:57.159 --> 01:57:01.159 sophisticated thinkers. They you know, I think, but in the game, 2585 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:03.920 both of them had really good chances uh to score 2586 01:57:03.960 --> 01:57:07.119 some goals. And and so that's coming from not knowing 2587 01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:10.159 a whole lot and just playing, you know, from from 2588 01:57:10.159 --> 01:57:11.960 a place of field really because we only had a 2589 01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:13.920 couple of days to prepare to get them both on 2590 01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:16.000 the field. But I think with every training session they 2591 01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:18.960 get sharper and what you're all what I'm also noticing 2592 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:22.119 and training is the level of confidence that the players 2593 01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:24.680 around them have having those two guys on the field, 2594 01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:29.079 and so you know, I think they're they're you know today, uh, 2595 01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:32.319 you know, we had a meeting with Jun Cruz as 2596 01:57:32.319 --> 01:57:34.600 far as the tactics in the pockets that he can 2597 01:57:34.640 --> 01:57:38.199 really hurt teams with. And again, both great students of 2598 01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:43.079 the game, great teammates, wonderful people, and and I think that, uh, 2599 01:57:43.359 --> 01:57:45.239 these guys are going to be flying here soon. And 2600 01:57:45.319 --> 01:57:47.399 so I'm really excited now. That's why I'm really excited 2601 01:57:47.439 --> 01:57:51.720 for the weekend. We're up against a very stingy Minnesota 2602 01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:54.439 defense and if we can get both want and uh 2603 01:57:54.920 --> 01:57:57.920 Victor on the score sheet, will be fined. 2604 01:57:58.520 --> 01:58:00.920 Always has a day to say this. I don't want 2605 01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:04.840 to sound like the ugly American, but I'm always curious about, uh, 2606 01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:08.439 you know, the communication between players who come here and 2607 01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:11.359 the language barriers, and you know, I know you have 2608 01:58:11.399 --> 01:58:13.520 found a way to kind of circumvent some of that stuff. 2609 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:16.720 But how's the English, How's how's the communication with the 2610 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:19.199 two new players communicating with the other guys on the roster. 2611 01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:22.600 That's a great point, you know, It's been really fascinating 2612 01:58:22.640 --> 01:58:26.479 his victors completely fluent in English and he's a big 2613 01:58:26.520 --> 01:58:30.720 time reader, so he's you know, he he loves, He 2614 01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:33.920 easily integrates into the end of the team. And Huon 2615 01:58:34.319 --> 01:58:36.920 as a when we talked him on the zoom, he 2616 01:58:37.039 --> 01:58:40.439 was really hesitant to speak English. But what I've come 2617 01:58:40.479 --> 01:58:43.079 to realize is his understanding of the English is really 2618 01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:45.319 really good and he wants to learn, so he's going 2619 01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:49.239 to start taking classes. But whenever the coaches talked to 2620 01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:52.079 Huan and you know, and he understand obviously speaks and 2621 01:58:52.399 --> 01:58:57.760 understands Portuguese like his first language, but his ability to 2622 01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:01.239 listen to the coaches and to be able to implement 2623 01:59:01.279 --> 01:59:03.760 what we're asking is incredible given the zoom that we 2624 01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:06.520 had where he was really hesitant to speak English. So 2625 01:59:06.960 --> 01:59:11.520 the language piece isn't isn't an issue with either of them. 2626 01:59:12.039 --> 01:59:14.119 But the one thing that real positive and we talk 2627 01:59:14.159 --> 01:59:17.720 about is they understand football and they understand space, and 2628 01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:19.960 so when teammates have the ball, you're always looking at 2629 01:59:20.199 --> 01:59:22.000 angles and options to be able to play off the 2630 01:59:22.039 --> 01:59:23.840 other ones. And they've played off each other really well 2631 01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:25.760 in the last couple of days, so I think we 2632 01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:28.159 won't have any problems with with a language barrier. 2633 01:59:28.399 --> 01:59:33.359 So you're without Diego again this weekend, right, and then 2634 01:59:33.720 --> 01:59:38.079 Gozo as well as let's see, I think it's Willie right, 2635 01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:41.079 we got it, Okay, we got it okay. So without 2636 01:59:41.119 --> 01:59:42.960 those three, what's that attack going to look like? 2637 01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:46.640 Yeah, So we looked at a couple of guys, you know, 2638 01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:49.960 in those positions, Johnny Russell being one of them, Ari 2639 01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:54.039 Fuel being another. And you know, I think it's a 2640 01:59:54.119 --> 01:59:57.239 it's a good opportunity for guys like Goan and Victor 2641 01:59:57.319 --> 01:59:59.560 to go to distance, right, you know, with with a 2642 01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:01.680 few games left, we've got to make sure that we 2643 02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:04.079 give him a long enough run way to be fit 2644 02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:07.800 for these important games. And so, you know, Johnny looked 2645 02:00:07.840 --> 02:00:10.600 really bright today. He's a guy that can make plays. 2646 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:13.319 And I think that's another aspect that we were talking about, 2647 02:00:13.399 --> 02:00:16.039 is within the tactics, you still need to make plays 2648 02:00:16.159 --> 02:00:19.319 in other words, like whether it's the really crisp final 2649 02:00:19.399 --> 02:00:23.399 pass or it's shooting from you know, from an angle 2650 02:00:23.439 --> 02:00:27.279 with a with a cultured technique to hit the back 2651 02:00:27.319 --> 02:00:29.119 of the net. And I think that's that's one of 2652 02:00:29.119 --> 02:00:31.279 the things that Johnny Russell brings with his experience and 2653 02:00:31.319 --> 02:00:34.760 his qualities. So you know, we'll finalize things as we 2654 02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:37.239 move towards the weekend. But those two guys in place 2655 02:00:37.279 --> 02:00:41.640 for Gozo and then obviously Diego has been doing better, 2656 02:00:41.680 --> 02:00:44.199 and I think now that he's got players ahead of him, 2657 02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:48.159 has has really changed the way he's played, you know, 2658 02:00:48.199 --> 02:00:50.279 because oftentimes we're looking at him to always be got 2659 02:00:50.319 --> 02:00:53.199 to score goals this year, and what I've seen with 2660 02:00:53.279 --> 02:00:55.840 the introduction of these two players has been he's got 2661 02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:58.279 a great final pass and and maybe what we were 2662 02:00:58.279 --> 02:01:00.159 missing is just the runners ahead of him to to 2663 02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:02.960 really see Diego's quality. 2664 02:01:03.560 --> 02:01:06.920 So every time I and look, I mostly just watch RSL, 2665 02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:09.880 mostly just watch you. But every time I watch Minnesota 2666 02:01:09.960 --> 02:01:12.000 just seems like a total pain in the ass. 2667 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:15.000 They just seem like such a pain. What is it? 2668 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:15.319 Is it? 2669 02:01:15.359 --> 02:01:17.720 Is it personnel? Is it coaching? Is its schmatics? Like 2670 02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:20.439 why are they so stout defensively? Why are they so hard? 2671 02:01:20.520 --> 02:01:22.720 Let's say they seem like such a tough nut to crack. 2672 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:27.560 Yeah, you know, they're almost contrarian spence in that the 2673 02:01:27.600 --> 02:01:30.600 modern game of football is primarily how are we going 2674 02:01:30.640 --> 02:01:34.239 to attack? They flipped the script and they say, how 2675 02:01:34.279 --> 02:01:37.079 are we going to defend? And so where teams placed 2676 02:01:37.079 --> 02:01:46.359 maybe a seventy thirty emphasis at pieces, right, So it's 2677 02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:49.279 it's the muondane part of the game that they they're 2678 02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:52.399 excellent at. So they're almost comfortable giving you the ball 2679 02:01:54.039 --> 02:01:55.680 and then they'll say, we'll catch you on a counter 2680 02:01:55.720 --> 02:01:58.359 attack or we'll catch you on a long throw in, right, 2681 02:01:58.399 --> 02:02:00.840 So they use these set says. You know, if there's 2682 02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:04.479 a foul in there and they're attacking and their defensive half, 2683 02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:07.239 they will literally move the whole team forward and have 2684 02:02:07.319 --> 02:02:09.640 their goalkeeper punt it and use that as a way 2685 02:02:09.680 --> 02:02:11.920 to keep you pinned in. And so they play for 2686 02:02:11.960 --> 02:02:14.520 a battle of territory. So it's it's kind of an 2687 02:02:14.600 --> 02:02:16.800 old school way of thinking, but they do it to 2688 02:02:16.840 --> 02:02:19.199 the nines. And that's why they make every game so 2689 02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:23.560 difficult for any team because they're they're they're they're they're 2690 02:02:23.600 --> 02:02:26.680 they excel at areas where teams are like, well, that's important, 2691 02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:28.720 but not as important as the way we want to attack. Well, 2692 02:02:28.760 --> 02:02:32.039 long thrownes are important, but you know, defending them, you know, 2693 02:02:32.520 --> 02:02:35.079 is is hit or miss and you're usually playing not 2694 02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:37.720 necessarily for the first phase. But like I said, they 2695 02:02:37.800 --> 02:02:40.359 play for territory, and how can they build two or 2696 02:02:40.399 --> 02:02:43.479 three shots on goal from a long throw in, which 2697 02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:45.960 is not something most teams will even focus on. So 2698 02:02:46.479 --> 02:02:49.439 what they do is they do very well. Obviously, that's 2699 02:02:49.479 --> 02:02:52.199 that's coaching and and it's really buying from the from 2700 02:02:52.199 --> 02:02:54.199 the players, and that's always been my thing. It's it's 2701 02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:56.600 very difficult to have a group of guys that are 2702 02:02:56.640 --> 02:02:59.680 committed to not playing with the ball because in modern 2703 02:02:59.680 --> 02:03:02.560 foot all from the time you're five years old, you're 2704 02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:06.199 doing goal kick builds and you're in the love of 2705 02:03:06.239 --> 02:03:09.680 the game comes with the ball. So they bought into it, 2706 02:03:09.720 --> 02:03:11.479 and I think it's hard to not buy into it 2707 02:03:11.479 --> 02:03:15.079 when you can get results. So areas that we've been 2708 02:03:15.159 --> 02:03:17.399 really you know, working on, but throwing a wrinkle in 2709 02:03:17.439 --> 02:03:19.640 there as to how we can kind of throw, you know, 2710 02:03:20.279 --> 02:03:22.159 throw something at them that looks a little bit different 2711 02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:24.640 than they've seen all year from the way they want 2712 02:03:24.640 --> 02:03:28.199 to attack the game from a set piece perspective, is 2713 02:03:28.319 --> 02:03:30.720 hopefully we ask some questions as to whether or not 2714 02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:32.600 they're going to continue to throw to that many numbers 2715 02:03:32.600 --> 02:03:34.039 forward feels like a. 2716 02:03:33.960 --> 02:03:34.760 Bit of a must win. 2717 02:03:34.880 --> 02:03:37.439 Pobs, you've got eight games left, with five at home. 2718 02:03:37.640 --> 02:03:39.720 Have you done the math as far as where you 2719 02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:41.319 think you need to be to get over the line 2720 02:03:41.359 --> 02:03:43.119 and make the playoffs. 2721 02:03:43.199 --> 02:03:47.199 Yeah, you know, I think, you know, if we take 2722 02:03:47.239 --> 02:03:49.359 care of home and win the five home games, I 2723 02:03:49.399 --> 02:03:51.199 think it puts us in a position to compete for 2724 02:03:51.880 --> 02:03:55.000 the playing game. And then you know, we got to 2725 02:03:55.039 --> 02:03:59.399 squeak one or two one with a draw. So somewhere 2726 02:03:59.439 --> 02:04:02.319 around eighteen points, I think Jesus in a in a 2727 02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:06.199 playoff position, and I think fifteen points sees us buying 2728 02:04:06.279 --> 02:04:09.199 for that playing game. So and you know how I 2729 02:04:09.239 --> 02:04:11.119 think about that, Spence is like the only way to 2730 02:04:11.159 --> 02:04:12.880 get to the future is to go through the present 2731 02:04:13.039 --> 02:04:15.119 and and and so we got to walk the walk 2732 02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:18.279 and and really hit this game head on. So it 2733 02:04:18.359 --> 02:04:21.399 must win. I think it's it's pretty close. It's pretty 2734 02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:24.640 close to must win game that we need. And and uh, 2735 02:04:24.800 --> 02:04:26.840 you know, and I always look at our training sessions 2736 02:04:26.880 --> 02:04:29.399 like what's what's the vibe like? And these guys were 2737 02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:32.239 flying today and committed, and you know, one of the 2738 02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:34.000 things that you know, we have a great leadership group. 2739 02:04:34.039 --> 02:04:35.279 One of the things that you know, we're going to 2740 02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:39.000 throw a tactical a pretty big tactical tweak into the 2741 02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:42.600 into what we're doing this week in lieu of Minnesota, 2742 02:04:43.079 --> 02:04:46.960 and the leadership group said, Coach, like, listen, we believe 2743 02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:49.520 in what we're doing. We're literally one set piece away 2744 02:04:49.520 --> 02:04:53.760 from getting results, one PK not being called from getting results. 2745 02:04:54.119 --> 02:04:57.399 We believe in what we're doing. We've enjoy what we're doing. Well, 2746 02:04:57.600 --> 02:04:59.840 let's let's keep it the same. Let's not let's let's 2747 02:04:59.840 --> 02:05:01.880 just keep focusing on ourselves and let's kill these guys 2748 02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:04.600 this weekend. So when you got a leadership group like that, 2749 02:05:04.600 --> 02:05:06.680 that that's all in and it's reflected in the way 2750 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:09.319 the guys have trained this week. I'm really really optimistic 2751 02:05:09.319 --> 02:05:10.039 about this weekend. 2752 02:05:10.239 --> 02:05:14.520 Transfer window closes tomorrow night. My sources little Bertie, cute 2753 02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:16.279 little Bertie to keep us little Bertie that could ever 2754 02:05:16.359 --> 02:05:21.359 be indicates that we might might might have some news 2755 02:05:21.479 --> 02:05:23.319 dropping over the next twenty four hours. 2756 02:05:23.359 --> 02:05:24.800 Care to elaborate on that at all? 2757 02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:28.840 Yeah, No, I think it's again, I don't know if 2758 02:05:28.840 --> 02:05:31.359 the documents have been signed, and I'm so hesitant to 2759 02:05:31.399 --> 02:05:34.359 say anything before because there's nothing you can't go back 2760 02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:36.039 on that. It's kind of like a referee call, right 2761 02:05:36.039 --> 02:05:40.520 Spence like, yeah, sorry, it's but if it goes threatened 2762 02:05:40.600 --> 02:05:43.439 to be fair, I talked to the the players coach. 2763 02:05:43.479 --> 02:05:47.640 He's a good friend of mine in Cincinnati and and yeah, 2764 02:05:47.680 --> 02:05:50.840 a really good defender with again, I think another part 2765 02:05:50.960 --> 02:05:52.840 to you know, things that we talked about on the 2766 02:05:52.840 --> 02:05:57.439 phone were just an unbelievable human being, a great culture 2767 02:05:57.479 --> 02:06:00.000 guy and a huge leader with a ton of experience. 2768 02:06:00.640 --> 02:06:02.960 And I think if I didn't tell you the position, 2769 02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:05.399 and I said, these are the qualities this player has, 2770 02:06:06.159 --> 02:06:09.880 I think, you know, it's it's so welcome with our 2771 02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:13.319 group again, a young group that's you know, gaining, you know, 2772 02:06:13.800 --> 02:06:17.039 cat a bit of momentum at the turn. These last 2773 02:06:17.079 --> 02:06:19.359 couple of games haven't gone our way for various reasons, 2774 02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:21.920 but now we're we're in the final stretch. And to 2775 02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:26.039 add a player of his magnitude and his experience and 2776 02:06:26.359 --> 02:06:29.560 the way he leads is it's like the stars the 2777 02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:31.079 lining for a great rundown stretch. 2778 02:06:31.279 --> 02:06:34.039 Good stuff. Does he have copious amounts of neck tattoos? 2779 02:06:35.960 --> 02:06:36.159 Yes? 2780 02:06:36.199 --> 02:06:36.560 He does? 2781 02:06:36.640 --> 02:06:39.119 Okay, okay, last thing that I'll set you loose on 2782 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:40.760 this and if you need to go, you can be 2783 02:06:40.880 --> 02:06:43.319 quick on it. But I am genuinely curious. And the 2784 02:06:43.399 --> 02:06:45.279 nice thing is you're a coach, you don't exist in 2785 02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:48.079 the media space, but you are a former member of 2786 02:06:48.119 --> 02:06:50.359 the US men's national team, and there's been this really 2787 02:06:50.399 --> 02:06:53.479 weird back and forth. It was a documentary for Polisic 2788 02:06:54.079 --> 02:06:56.479 where he and I think it was way, if I 2789 02:06:56.479 --> 02:07:00.319 remember correctly, you are really going at like Landing and 2790 02:07:00.399 --> 02:07:03.760 Clint and all, you know, Taylor, Tim Howard or whoever, 2791 02:07:03.880 --> 02:07:06.319 like all of the former US men's national team players 2792 02:07:06.319 --> 02:07:09.119 that are in the media space. Way have called them 2793 02:07:09.199 --> 02:07:13.760 evil polistic said they're just looking for clicks, and it's like, well, 2794 02:07:13.800 --> 02:07:16.680 you're literally talking about this during the documentary you want 2795 02:07:16.720 --> 02:07:19.159 people to watch. I don't know, man, it's part of 2796 02:07:19.199 --> 02:07:20.800 the job when you get into the space with a 2797 02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:22.000 microphone in front of your face. 2798 02:07:22.079 --> 02:07:23.720 I hope you coach forever and you never have to 2799 02:07:23.760 --> 02:07:24.000 do this. 2800 02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:27.439 But as somebody that once upon a time represented our country, 2801 02:07:27.479 --> 02:07:29.279 what do you make of this back and forth between 2802 02:07:29.279 --> 02:07:31.479 the old guard and the players playing now? 2803 02:07:32.319 --> 02:07:35.960 Yeah, yeah, I find it really interesting. And you know, 2804 02:07:36.239 --> 02:07:40.359 I think I think everyone wants the same thing, Spence, 2805 02:07:40.760 --> 02:07:47.039 And one side is coming from having played, and another 2806 02:07:47.079 --> 02:07:50.680 side is coming from playing and and but I think 2807 02:07:50.720 --> 02:07:52.560 at the end of the day, everyone wants the same thing. 2808 02:07:52.600 --> 02:07:55.199 Which is the US team to be successful. And so 2809 02:07:55.520 --> 02:07:58.239 like I can see through all this stuff. I think 2810 02:07:58.239 --> 02:08:01.920 there's points on both sides. You know, I'm definitely not 2811 02:08:01.960 --> 02:08:05.199 taking aside because I've been a player and the previous 2812 02:08:05.199 --> 02:08:08.479 generation was like, you know, they are hard on us, 2813 02:08:08.520 --> 02:08:09.960 But I felt like they were hard on us because 2814 02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:12.319 they represented the country well and they want we wanted 2815 02:08:12.399 --> 02:08:17.199 us to do the same thing. And and so you know, 2816 02:08:17.239 --> 02:08:20.239 and I understand from from you know, Landing and Tim 2817 02:08:20.279 --> 02:08:24.079 Howards is when when the amount of pressure that we 2818 02:08:24.119 --> 02:08:27.279 put on ourselves, irrespective of the pressure that was put 2819 02:08:27.319 --> 02:08:29.760 out by the fans and proofs at the time, it 2820 02:08:30.159 --> 02:08:33.479 was immense and we held ourselves to a level amongst 2821 02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:36.319 ourselves like hey, if it wasn't good enough in training, 2822 02:08:36.359 --> 02:08:38.520 it's like, man, we're playing for something huge here. You know, 2823 02:08:38.720 --> 02:08:40.760 this is a qualifier, this is a World Cup game. 2824 02:08:41.000 --> 02:08:43.079 There's there's no bs here. We've got to bring our 2825 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:47.279 best and it was us kind of managing ourselves. And 2826 02:08:47.600 --> 02:08:50.880 that was a really unique time where we had great 2827 02:08:51.199 --> 02:08:55.239 players that played in Europe mixed with players in MLS, 2828 02:08:55.279 --> 02:08:59.359 but there was this unspoken understanding of what it means 2829 02:08:59.439 --> 02:09:02.760 to represent your country. And so I think there's I'm 2830 02:09:02.800 --> 02:09:05.079 sure there's a lot of stuff that gets lost in 2831 02:09:05.199 --> 02:09:09.520 translation between the camps, but I really believe that both 2832 02:09:09.600 --> 02:09:11.399 camps want the same thing, and that's for the US 2833 02:09:11.439 --> 02:09:13.920 team to have a successful outing in twenty twenty six. 2834 02:09:14.479 --> 02:09:15.760 All Right, Buddy, will you sound good? 2835 02:09:15.800 --> 02:09:17.319 I was wondering if you're going to be grumpy, but 2836 02:09:17.399 --> 02:09:19.800 I'm glad you're sounding good. So I will be there 2837 02:09:19.840 --> 02:09:22.159 this weekend. You are undefeated when I'm in the building, 2838 02:09:22.279 --> 02:09:23.000 so best of luck. 2839 02:09:23.079 --> 02:09:24.239 Let's go get three. Pablo. 2840 02:09:24.239 --> 02:09:26.239 All right, thanks man, appreciate it. Bud. 2841 02:09:26.319 --> 02:09:28.840 All right, Pablo Masceroni, head coach of URSEL. They're back 2842 02:09:28.880 --> 02:09:31.760 at action this weekend against Minnesota in what has to 2843 02:09:31.800 --> 02:09:35.000 be characterized as a must win game seven thirty on 2844 02:09:35.039 --> 02:09:35.680 Apple TV. 2845 02:09:36.520 --> 02:09:38.079 All I wrapping it up, final. 2846 02:09:37.800 --> 02:09:42.720 Segments of the show on this Wednesday afternoon. You're halfway 2847 02:09:42.760 --> 02:09:45.199 through that work week, you are one day closer to 2848 02:09:45.239 --> 02:09:48.720 the weekends. I want to take some time to say 2849 02:09:48.840 --> 02:09:53.159 very special thank you to all of our listeners. We 2850 02:09:53.279 --> 02:09:56.439 received up to date numbers today and we are in 2851 02:09:56.560 --> 02:09:59.000 the best spot that we've been in since we started 2852 02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:02.079 the show. So it's very cool. We just turned six 2853 02:10:02.279 --> 02:10:05.319 last week. It both seems like we just started this 2854 02:10:05.439 --> 02:10:07.920 yesterday and thirty years ago. I don't know what that means. 2855 02:10:07.960 --> 02:10:11.159 Time is a mental construct, but we have a lot 2856 02:10:11.159 --> 02:10:13.800 of new listeners and we've never had the ratings that 2857 02:10:13.840 --> 02:10:16.560 we currently have. Right now, we are stomping our competitor, 2858 02:10:17.319 --> 02:10:20.199 which is always nice, but ultimately that is a testament 2859 02:10:20.319 --> 02:10:20.640 to you. 2860 02:10:20.720 --> 02:10:22.840 So if you listen to us every day. 2861 02:10:23.239 --> 02:10:26.520 Or anytime at all, whether it's on seven hundred AM 2862 02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:29.600 ninety two one FM, our podcast page, you're streaming online, 2863 02:10:30.000 --> 02:10:32.039 a very very sincere. 2864 02:10:31.680 --> 02:10:33.960 Thank you so much. Never take a listener for granted. 2865 02:10:34.039 --> 02:10:35.319 You guys mean everything to us. 2866 02:10:35.359 --> 02:10:37.560 So we got the numbers today and they're really really good, 2867 02:10:37.640 --> 02:10:38.039 So thank. 2868 02:10:38.000 --> 02:10:38.319 You for that. 2869 02:10:39.960 --> 02:10:42.359 Do not get a big head just because Pablo said 2870 02:10:42.359 --> 02:10:45.039 you had a good point about soccer, You're gonna be 2871 02:10:45.039 --> 02:10:48.239 insufferable the rest of the week. Because Pablo complimented the point. 2872 02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:50.720 So take me beyond the scenes when you had them 2873 02:10:50.760 --> 02:10:53.159 on the phone. What was this salient, excellent point that 2874 02:10:53.239 --> 02:10:54.520 you made, just just. 2875 02:10:54.520 --> 02:10:57.399 You know, soccer guy stuff, behind the behind the scenes, 2876 02:10:57.439 --> 02:10:59.119 you know, stuff that if I were to bring it 2877 02:10:59.119 --> 02:11:03.720 on air, it wouldn't it wouldn't really translate to the 2878 02:11:03.720 --> 02:11:06.880 everyday listener when it comes to soccer. I know, it's 2879 02:11:06.920 --> 02:11:09.319 just it's my guy Pablo. We're talking schemes, We're talking, 2880 02:11:10.560 --> 02:11:15.760 you know, timing, roster, substitutions, the whole, the whole. Like 2881 02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:21.079 you know, my guy Kyle Kyle b KB saw him 2882 02:11:21.119 --> 02:11:23.640 playing tenness the other day, you know, a little conversation 2883 02:11:23.720 --> 02:11:26.720 just my you know US men's national team homies. 2884 02:11:27.439 --> 02:11:30.239 I like to call what is your preferred formation in 2885 02:11:30.279 --> 02:11:32.880 the attack? What's your favorite formation to enact when you 2886 02:11:32.960 --> 02:11:34.239 need to attack and score goals? 2887 02:11:34.319 --> 02:11:34.520 Yeah? 2888 02:11:34.520 --> 02:11:38.680 I like I like eleven personnel to eleven? Do you 2889 02:11:38.760 --> 02:11:40.520 like like multiple tight end sets? 2890 02:11:40.640 --> 02:11:41.000 Usually? 2891 02:11:41.039 --> 02:11:46.359 Can you name one soccer formation diamond? Your worst than 2892 02:11:46.399 --> 02:11:50.479 I am the triangle. I'm a fan of a four 2893 02:11:50.560 --> 02:11:53.600 one two one two myself. That is the diamond formation 2894 02:11:53.640 --> 02:11:54.000 in the middle. 2895 02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:56.560 That's what I was going for. I know, it's like 2896 02:11:56.680 --> 02:11:58.640 something like that where you got the one guy that's 2897 02:11:58.640 --> 02:12:01.119 like you're your leave for really right? Right? 2898 02:12:01.399 --> 02:12:02.600 Sure? Sure? 2899 02:12:02.720 --> 02:12:03.399 Yeah? 2900 02:12:03.439 --> 02:12:07.000 Okay, Well, speaking of that, I have just been informed 2901 02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:10.439 that tomorrow at nine am it is supposed to be 2902 02:12:10.560 --> 02:12:14.920 official for the RSL player announcement. They are bringing in 2903 02:12:14.960 --> 02:12:18.479 a really big name. Now, look when I say really 2904 02:12:18.520 --> 02:12:20.560 big name. This is the league that recently we've seen 2905 02:12:21.359 --> 02:12:24.800 my guy Sonny from Tottenham, Tomas Mueller from Germany, and 2906 02:12:24.880 --> 02:12:28.680 obviously Lionel Messi, so it's not on that level, but 2907 02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:31.079 it's a name you'll be familiar with. It's a defender 2908 02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:34.560 who's spent some time overseas. He's played in two World Crops, 2909 02:12:34.560 --> 02:12:37.800 He's been an MLS so all Star, so stay tuned 2910 02:12:37.840 --> 02:12:38.119 for that. 2911 02:12:38.119 --> 02:12:39.560 That should become official tomorrow. 2912 02:12:39.680 --> 02:12:42.920 We are ten days away from game day for the Utes, 2913 02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:45.159 the Cougars and the Aggies, and then we have Week 2914 02:12:45.319 --> 02:12:47.920 zero college football this weekend. You're gonna blink in. The 2915 02:12:48.039 --> 02:12:51.439 NFL will be here week one, September fourth, and then 2916 02:12:51.560 --> 02:12:54.359 we are actually not that far away from training camp 2917 02:12:54.359 --> 02:12:56.600 in Pro basketball too. Now we're not gonna do a 2918 02:12:56.600 --> 02:12:59.119 lot of that as of now, and hopefully the Jazz 2919 02:12:59.159 --> 02:13:01.079 give us something to talk about this year. 2920 02:13:01.159 --> 02:13:02.000 My guess is they will not. 2921 02:13:02.199 --> 02:13:04.520 But we are creeping off on one of the best 2922 02:13:04.520 --> 02:13:06.640 time of years for sure. So we will say good 2923 02:13:06.720 --> 02:13:08.520 night for a Wednesday Porter what comes our way on 2924 02:13:08.640 --> 02:13:10.279 a Thursday edition of the show. 2925 02:13:10.319 --> 02:13:12.319 On a Thursday edition of the show, we'll continue the 2926 02:13:12.359 --> 02:13:16.960 college football conversation with one Kyle Bonegura of ESPN. We'll 2927 02:13:16.960 --> 02:13:22.279 talk some PGA Tour Championship with one Rex Hoggard Mate, 2928 02:13:22.560 --> 02:13:25.159 catch up with our friend Richard Smitty Smith out of 2929 02:13:25.199 --> 02:13:30.439 the US Open, and a little little Bertie, Sweet little 2930 02:13:30.479 --> 02:13:34.880 Bertie tells me we may have a particular RSL maybe 2931 02:13:34.920 --> 02:13:35.960 newcomer on the show tomorrow. 2932 02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:39.199 Okay, So the RSL player announcement will be in the 2933 02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:41.800 morning and we hope the interview said player in the afternoon. 2934 02:13:42.479 --> 02:13:44.800 So that'll be a fun Thursday show and border reference. 2935 02:13:44.800 --> 02:13:47.199 The US Open is going on right now too, so 2936 02:13:47.279 --> 02:13:49.279 a little bit of everything. Join us for a Thursday show. 2937 02:13:49.279 --> 02:13:51.319 We'll say goodnight and special thank you to Sammy Mora, 2938 02:13:51.439 --> 02:13:54.279 Matt Brown, Tony Parks and Pablo Masch joinny for any 2939 02:13:54.279 --> 02:13:57.199 of the sound you missed from the program today. The 2940 02:13:57.239 --> 02:13:59.680 good news is it's up online. You can listen to 2941 02:13:59.680 --> 02:14:01.560 it when you want. You have a few options. Go 2942 02:14:01.600 --> 02:14:05.439 to the website, which is ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. 2943 02:14:05.479 --> 02:14:07.760 Make sure to download our mobile app and take us 2944 02:14:07.800 --> 02:14:10.560 on the go. The ESPN seven hundred app is available 2945 02:14:11.119 --> 02:14:13.960 for free in the App Store in the Google Play Store. Then, finally, 2946 02:14:14.039 --> 02:14:16.800 for what we do in our space, every afternoon for 2947 02:14:16.800 --> 02:14:19.720 four hours. Go over to the podcast page. 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