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So I thought it would be nice to bring them
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We even have one or two rather unusual shows, including
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another
edition of the KTPF Community Talk Show, Live and uncensored
from Manchester. My name is Suzanne, and over in Essex
we have our regular co host Andy Mercer. Now we're
here keeping the paranormal friendly, so pull up a chair
and relax with us while we bring you through the supernatural,
the paranormal and other stone phenomena. Right, well, let me
tell you what's coming up today. We have Kevin Goodman
talking about the warmingster Ufo mystery. Now apparently when it
happened back in nineteen sixty four, cards stopped, birds were killed,
children terrified, and reports of strange humming, noises, tremors, lights,
crop circles, and UFOs were seen. Co author of two
books on the Warmerster Ufoe mystery, Kevin was a skywatcher
during the heady days of nineteen seventies and continues to
be interested in the UFO phenomena that occurred. So we're
going to find out what did happen in that small
leafy Wiltshire town and Kevin. I must say that Kevin
and his co author Steve Dewey, who's not with us tonight,
are the acknowledged experts in this most unusual case. So
that's what's happening tonight now, Andy, on the subject of
human pendulums.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Oh, believe you have.
Speaker 4: Something to tell us, would you.
Speaker 2: Like absolutely in a few minutes. Yeah, yeah, I can do.
I went to a therapist like a pray conference yesterday,
which is an annual conference organization I'm a member of,
and one of the speakers there he's talking partly about
his own form of therapy that he's come up with
that is a combination of what's called kinesthetic therapy, involving
into like tapping routines, etc. And the science behind it
rather than just sort of being airy. Fray Woolu is
actually a PhD Graduate in physics, so he knows this
stuff scientifically. It features that he's discovered is that depending
on whether you're positively or negatively orientated, or how you
how you're wired in the brain, effectively, you can get
a yes answer to something by thinking the word yes
quite clear in your head. You start to lean forwards,
and if you think the word no, you start to
lean backwards. And it's been a phenomen it's been tested
over and over again. The vast majority of the population
work that way. A few people work the reverse, as
they'll go backwards for yes and forward for no. But
if you then tap on a particular meridian point on
your hand, you reorientate yourself and then you will do
the same thing as everybody else. You're lean forward for
yes and backwards for no. It's a neurologic and neuropsychological phenomena.
It's been investigative and there's lots of science behind it.
But it's something to do with positive and negative thinking.
That you're naturally drawn forward to positivity and away from
anything negative, including negativity like the word no, because it's
a connotation of not nice, you know, negative stuff, whereas
yes it's an affirmative that's happy to do something. You
tend to psychologic we tend to go to war things
that are yes and a waif from things that are no.
So if you're just staying there and people saying yes
and no to you, and you're thinking it is the
same with me, and you want there to be something there,
the chance you can lean forward because you want it
to be there with you, and then you might lean
backwards if you don't want it to be with you.
So it kind of pretty much explains a human pendulum
effect that it is down to what you're thinking rather
than anything else. So that's just what I mentioned that.
Speaker 4: Our guess, Oh, yes, time is sleeting. Let's add him
to the group. Are you ready for this, Sandy? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think Andy's looking forward to this collecting.
Speaker 2: I am interested.
Speaker 4: Yes, Let's see if we can get him on the line. So,
so to speak, are you there, Kevin? Can you come fourth?
Speaker 3: I am fourth.
Speaker 4: Good evening, Kevin, Welcome to the KTPF Community talk show.
And tonight we're going to be talking about all things
you fology. Starting off, really, how long have you been
interested in this subject? Kevin?
Speaker 3: Oh, lord, that is a personal question. Personal, I'd say,
getting onto forty five odd years.
Speaker 4: Really, yes, God, So when it comes to Warminster, first
of all, to start with, where is Warminster?
Speaker 3: Warmister is in the county of Wiltshire, about one hundred
and twenty miles east of London, probably between Bath and Salisbury.
Speaker 4: When we mentioned it last week, people were getting mixed
up with Dad's army. Close close, Okay, So when we
spoke yesterday, I mentioned to you that not a lot
of my listeners have heard of Warminster. Why do you
think that this is and why do you think it's
not so relevant as the Rendalshan Forest incident.
Speaker 3: Warmister was very much a product of its times, really,
in so much that it lasted for getting on towards
fifteen years. And as I briefly explained to you yesterday,
when we were doing a test transmission in nineteen seventy eight,
the South Wales phenomenon started, which was known as the
Welsh Triangle or the dove In enigma. That lasted for
about two years. Then of course, in nineteen eighty Renderlschrom
hit the headlines just again as what we now class
as multimedia has becoming out of its infancy. And I
think that the problem is with Rendelsham now being compared
to Roswell, that you know, there's a lot more interest
in it because supposedly there's a lot more information available, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, And you don't feel there's a lot of information
available about Warminster.
Speaker 3: There was in the sixties and the seventies, there's no
two ways about it. But the problem with the UFO
subjects in this country these days is that you're only
as good as your latest flap or your latest breaking news.
So you know, Warminster was dying out by the end
of the nineteen seventies. Wells came along, took the mantle
up and then of course obviously Rendelsham after that, and
Rendersham has still to this day refused to die.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've noticed that in many ways. So as I say,
it's not your usual story of UFO sightings that happened
in the sixties. So can you tell us how it
all started?
Speaker 3: Well, there is a date which most people use as
the start, which was Christmas Eve in nineteen sixty four.
But research that I've done over the years has proved
that there was other strange phenomenon seen within the locality,
maybe hundreds of years before that.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah. For example, there was a report of two landed
gentlemen seeing strange lightning bolts and balls in the sky
of different color, apparently fighting each other. That was in
the seventeenth century. And then just a few years after
the Wright brothers took their first faltering steps into the
sky at Kitty Hawk, a large illuminated airplane and I
used the word aeroplane in Inverted Commas was seen flying
over the area at speed. Really, so you're talking nineteen
oh nine, nineteen ten, something like that, which again could
tie into the Scandinavian airship scare. But like a lot
of things within the UFO subject, the subject itself is
continually morphing and moving on.
Speaker 4: So how did it all start? There was talk about
where are we that birds were killed? There was cars
that stopped, tremors, lights and crop circles appeared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not all at once. I hastened to add, okay, okay, well,
as I say that it broke in Inverted Commas Christmas
Christmas morning, actually nineteen sixty four when a local housewife,
missus Marjorie By, was on her way to early Mass,
and I believe it was christ Church in Warminster where
she was assailed by sonic sounds, which, according to Arthur
show Wood's report, left her weak, need, numb and scared.
So that was the actual first modern day sort of
manifestation of the thing. And at the same day there
were reports of mysterious explosions and noises seen throughout the locality.
For example, Roger Rump, who was then at the time
Warmings's head postmaster, stated that it was if all five
thousand tiles of his bungalow had been wrenched off the
roof and slammed back into place. Now, the reason why
he knows there was five thousand tiles was he had
just had the roof retiled, right, Okay.
Speaker 4: So that's why he was so exact. Okay. So regarding
the noises, were they similar to the sounds that we've
been hearing in recent years, And if so, do you
think there's a connection.
Speaker 3: I've heard one or two recordings of the noises, now,
I mean, sadly, again, nobody ever seems to have actually
had an audio recording of the noises over in war mister,
because again we are talking something is over fifty years
old now, so you know, even cassette recorders weren't really
around in those days. So you know, somebody who was
looking enough to have a real to real recorder and
a microphone plugged in, switch it on, drag it to
a window, open the window and stick the microphone, then
he might have heard something. Yeah, but the noises that
you allude to, I definitely think there is a similarity
to these noises that have been heard throughout the world
over about the last eighteen months or two years, in
similar in similar respect to what started the warm is
a phenomenon off because they talk.
Speaker 4: About a cracking noise, don't they One witness was talking
about crackling noises.
Speaker 3: Yes, they did. It was like another somebody else actually
reported that it was if a branch or a bough
of a tree had been dragged across the roof, making
this sort of crackling, whistling noise. So, as I say,
you know, there were different types of noise which were
alluded to. For I was getting on for about the
first six months, well into nineteen sixty five, until the
actual visual manifestation started around May June time, right.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now, just out of curiosity, are there any military
units in the area that could be the reason for
the phenomena? Could these sightings be from another planet or
dimension or maybe just some other some of our own
black ops or reversed engineered aliens ships being cited.
Speaker 3: That is a very interesting question. It involves a very
convoluted answer. Okay, and I'll try and break it down
in bits for you. Yes, there is a large military
presence in the area. Warmister in the mid nineteen sixties
was really famous for only three things. The School of Infantry,
which is based just outside the town. It's now known
as the School of Land Warfare. Would you believe Geese
had a banana ripening plant in the town itself, which
is sadly no longer there.
Speaker 4: Now really but not there.
Speaker 3: I thought people were bananas however. And the third thing
was the very very early days of the Long Lead
Safari Park, which again opened about nineteen sixty five nineteen
sixty six. So yes, there definitely was a military presence,
and a lot of people over the years have said, oh, yes,
it's all military technology, it's all Black ops. But bearing
in mind. As I said just a minute ago, this
thing is now over fifty years old. If they were
testing at that time what was cutting edge technology, it
would have been retired years ago, right, Okay.
Speaker 4: So that's the answer to that one.
Speaker 3: There is a sort of further answer which I'll come
on further on obviously, if the questions are going to
go the way of they're going.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I'm not going to dissie on this. Honestly,
I'm following your leads. So if you want to just
take us there, it's not a problem. Like I said,
this is all new to me. This warmingster thing, which
is what they called it, wasn't it a thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was known as the war Mister thing because Warmister
at that time was a very small town. It was
a country town, and a lot of the people there
had very little experience of what we now class as UFO,
so anything that was unknown was referred to as the
thing or the things, So obviously it was a generic
title which the people of the town used this phenomenon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So when it comes to the MRD, what
was their response to this event? Did they ever investigate?
Speaker 3: They did investigate to a degree. For example, going back
to those strange noises. On Christmas morning, some soldiers at
Nook Camp, which is about four or five miles outside
of Warmingster on the western side, going toward Salisbury, they
heard what appeared to be They said, it sounded like
a huge chimney stack being demolished and crashing to the ground.
The guard was alerted, a search was made, nothing was seen,
nothing was out of the ordinary. And yes, I do
believe the military did quietly investigate some of the more
stranger aspects of the warmings the phenomenon over the years,
which does bring me actually jumping ahead right away to
about ten years ago. I was emailed by a woman
who basically said that during the seventies the early seventies,
she and her family were based at Warminster in the
army camp because her father was employed and he often
used to go out on what they referred to as
stag duty. Now stag duty is basically guard duty, and
they would to alleviate the boarder often sky watched themselves,
and they would see things that they could not rationally explain,
And at one time somebody did go to one of
the senior members of the camp and say, look, we've
seen this strange light. It's done this, it's done that,
it's done the other. And even the commander basically said, well,
whatever it is, we don't know what it is because
we had no exercises that night planned whatsoever. So whatever
you saw was strange.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Can I just jump back a bit because
we've got a question here and he's just put it up.
Andy's with us in the on the skype there. It
was wondering what did you mean by the Scandinavian Scandinavian scare?
Can you just tell us a bit about.
Speaker 3: That, the Scandinavian airship scare that was around the time
of the First World War and just at the end
of the First World War. No, sorry, I tell a lie.
It's the Scandinavian It's the Scandinavian rocket ship scare.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: The rocket ship scare was around, as I say that,
the First World War and just after where strange ballistic
strike missiles objects were seen over the Scandinavian peninsula for
a couple of years. And the airship one that I
allude to was actually in the United States way back
in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: Ah, right, I'd heard of that one. I think about
the airship in America. I wasn't sure that you know
that makes sense for enough, just you mentioned it, I
thought perhaps the listeners would have a bit more an
idea what that one was about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do get confused, occasion brain. I blame my
aged brain cells.
Speaker 2: I know that problem.
Speaker 4: Save. Have you got some questions?
Speaker 5: Yeah? The BBC, I understanded a thirty minute documentary called
Pie in the Sky. Oh yeah, have you seen it?
And if you did, did you think it was? Did
you think they were fair?
Speaker 3: I thought they were fair For the nineteen sixties they
were very fair. Admittedly the chief reporter was a little
bit bias, but the whole thing was not treated, shall
we say, with the disrespect that some modern programs probably show,
insomuch that. In nineteen seventy eight, I think it was,
the BBC did a second program, not specifically about Warminster,
and this was called I Think Out of the Unknown
and Arthur Shuttlewood, who I will come to in a
few minutes if somebody reminds me he was actually approached
to appear in this. The BBC spent two nights upon
Cradle Hill, supposedly recording Arthur. By the end of the
second night, Arthur was getting a lot more comfortable with them,
he led his guard down slightly, and sadly they chose
the most outlandic story that Arthur could have told them
to actually broadcast on that program.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, Steve, Yeah, I was going to ask you
a question about Arthur. Actually, he actually wrote three.
Speaker 3: Books in about six sixth thought together was it?
Speaker 5: I know he's he did towards the end of some
rather strange ideas. Apparently I haven't actually read them myself,
so I don't know what they were.
Speaker 3: Right well, as I say, he wrote in total six books,
The Warminster Mystery, which was the breakout book, which was
published by Nevill Spearman. Its actual working title was The
Warminster Sighting, but apparently somebody at Nevill Spearman felt that
the Warminster Mystery had a little bit more punch and pizazz,
so they decided to go with that. I believe that
The Warmiston Mystery was a moderate best seller when it
was first published around nineteen sixty seven. So Shuttlewood then
took the decision to have his second book, Warminster from
Flying Warnings from Flying Friends self published in Warminster. That
was still doing the realms well into the late nineteen
seventies nineteen eighties, Halfen must have had ten thousands of
copies of that printed, but it didn't sell the vast
amounts that he was hoping it did. And then, of course,
the final book of his first trilogy is I do
believe the one that you're alluding to, which is UFO's
Keys to the New Age, where Arthur does start to
have some very I would I'd use the expression cod
scientific theories about UFOs.
Speaker 2: Said, that's what I know the name from. I've been
trying to think, well, I know that that Chap's name from.
It's what you just mentioned. That's the one. Yeah, Yes,
I wonderful to ask a quick question, Kevin, could you
give us just a brief summary about in terms I
know nothing about this, which isn't too far from sure.
I've had a busy week and my chance to too
much reading. But give us like a brief explanation of
what actually happened during that time, what the sort of
things were going to reported? What kind of length of
time are we talking about.
Speaker 3: Well, as I said, we're talking around in total fifteen years.
I was involved towards the end of it because I
was far too young in nineteen sixty five nineteen sixty
to go down to Wiltshire on my own. I was
still in short trousers in those days. It started, as
I say, with about six months of strange, unearthly sounds
being heard, and then around the May June time of
nineteen sixty five the visual manifestation started. I believe the
first sighting was made by a group of council workers
on the town's central car park looking over towards cop Heap,
which is an ancient Iron Age Ford burial mound, and
they saw two red hot pokers in the sky which
burst asunder and then flew off in various directions. By
this time, after Shuttlewood, who was a reporter with the
local newspaper, the War Mister Journal, was a massing a
set of reports that people coming to him with. He
obviously wrote his first book, and then he actually got
his own skywatching group together of three people, himself, Cibil
Champion and an ex RAF bomber pilot by name of
Bob Strong, who was their photographer. They basically recorded and
documented the Warmister phenomenon into the nineteen seven well, yes,
well beyond the nineteen seventies into the nineteen seventies at least,
and then they obviously then more people became involved, people
such as Robert Chapman, who wrote a book called UFOs
over Britain. And I also believe that Timothy Good was
also a member of the sky watching group in Warmister
at one stage.
Speaker 4: Okay, we want some questions in the chat room for you.
I was just reading one there, so I got lost
when I was going to ask you a bit later.
But I'll ask you now because Brendan Moss has also
asked the same question. Have you had any personal experiences
of UFOs? Which is one that I was going to
ask anyway, But do you want to answer that now?
Speaker 3: I will answer that for you now. The answer for
that is yes, And.
Speaker 4: Where have you seen these things?
Speaker 3: You can't say yes, of course I can.
Speaker 2: I've eat it.
Speaker 3: I'll go eat this out, haven't I. Okay, again, I'll
give a bit of my back history before I actually
answer the question in full. I was brought up a
very good Catholic boy. My parents were both about Catholics,
church every Sunday, Catholic junior school, and at about the
age of nine or ten, I began to sort of
question things which a lot of particularly boys in those
days did, because it was the Gemini and Apollo space programs.
And my mother came upstairs one night, I'd already gone
to bed in inverted Commas. She came into my room,
whipped the idy down off me. And I don't think
she's more horrified that I was reading a copy of
every von Danikin's Charits the Gods, or if it wasn't
a copy of Penthouse, are you say, then I have
to be polite. So that's where the interest came from.
And as I say, it was nineteen seventy six by
the time I finally got down to Warminster. I don't
know if either of you were old enough to remember
the summer of nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 2: It was one of a large It was.
Speaker 4: Nice and warm. It was over frying eggs on the pavement.
Speaker 3: It was very warm. It's the only time I have
gone up to Cradle Hill outside of Warminster to stay
up till two o'clock in the morning, and I've only
had to wear a t shirt and a light pair
of trousers. It was that hot. Now. It was July
nineteen seventy six and I first went down and on
the first Saturday night, the first day we got there. Obviously,
expectation was at an absolute premium. So my friend and
I walked up in the company of a young lad
from Warminster to Cradle Hill totally not knowing what we
were going to see, you know, what the area was like,
what we were going to expect to see or anything
like that. And do any of you remember UFO detectors? No,
I don't, Right, quick history lesson here again. It's amazing,
you know, this is now. This at the time was
fantastic technology. I mean it's so now primitive it's almost
like looking at a stone wheel. They were battery powered devices.
Do you know the toys that you can get or
not the toys, but the things you used to have
in science labs where you had a hoop of metal
that you used to run over like a wiggly course. Yes,
and if it made a connection, it beaped.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: Right, that's basically UFO detector. That's the principle. Because the
idea was these detectors. People believe that UFOs were being
or were tapping into the urth's magnetic field and there
was a compass point which was basically between two electrodes.
If the magnetic field variated, the compass needle would move,
would hit one of the electrodes, and the buzzer would sound.
There were two of these items up on the hill
that night, on that very first night. It was a
beautifully warm night. There was hardly any wind. These two
devices were sent away from each other and they were
both sheltered from the wind. One was actually under a
car if I remember correctly, and both went off simultaneously
and we looked up started to scan the skies and
there were two starlight objects transversed in the sky and
moderately fast speed turned through ninety degrees, carried on and
then just winked out. That was my first real warm
inster Ufo on the first night.
Speaker 4: Wow. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Go on and say what's the most recent report that
you're aware of? I mean, are they still regularly happening now?
Speaker 3: No, No, they're not. Sadly, I now live up in
back in my old hometown, my homestockred in the West Midlands,
and we have up here what is known as the
Dudley Doto okay, which is a triangular shaped craft which
flies over the area quite sort of at random and
quite freely. A lot of people do dismiss it as
secret military technology. Now I'm not a conspiracy theorist, by
the way, I am very level headed these days. But
the one thing that I always retort back is people
say to me, oh, it must be secret military technology
from Cosford or from an American air base. Yeah, then
why fly fly over one of the most densely populated
areas the United Kingdom.
Speaker 2: Yes, good points, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay. Tony Martin's in the chat room. He says,
I recall seeing some old news footage with ufologists with
their gizmo tools on a SkyWatch. Were they one of
the first ever UFO groups? And do you know any
of them?
Speaker 3: There are? There are more UFO groups than you can
shake a happule of coins at.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: UFO groups do love their acronyms. One of the earliest
ones was obviously Bufour. There was the British UFO, the
British UFO Society. There was the Flying Source of Society.
There was the EURETHEUS society. You know, there is now
the Birmingham UFO group. You know, it seems that every
major town seems to have their own particular group. I
do try and stay clear as many of these groups
as possible, simply because there is so much politics involved
in this subject these days, I do not want to
get involved.
Speaker 4: No, I can understand that. So how did you actually
get involved in the phenomena?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 4: Obviously you were interested in it, but your involvement in it, now,
how did it all come about?
Speaker 3: Well, my involvement initially started in the early seventies because
there was an imprint in those days called Tandem, and
Tandem Books had the rights to republish all the Neville
Spearman books that had been released in the sixties in
paper in hard back. Tandem would do them in paperback.
So you had people like Brinsley a Poet, Trench, Donald Kehoe,
Arthur Shuttlewood, Brad Steiger. All these people's books were being
published into a mass market, and they were coming out
at about one every two weeks. So you can imagine
when my pocket money went in the early seventies. And
one day I was in the local bookshop and I
saw this book, The Warminster Mystery, and I thought, oh,
here we go, another UF obook. I picked it up
and I looked at the front and the biler was dramatic.
Uf ee witnessed sightings in England. Now, up until then,
I had believed that ninety percent of UFO sightings in
the UFO and was American based. Suddenly here was something
in the UK. And I read that book in one sitting, okay,
And from that day on I said, I'm going down
to that town, which I did do initially, then again
in nineteen seventy six. So my interest carried on probably
well into the nineteen eighties. And then you get a
bit older, you get a bit wiser. Yes, you're getting married, yes, yes,
settled down. And then, without going into too much detail,
my poor late wife finally decided to leave this earthly
coil in two thousand and three, and I thought to myself,
then she had cancer, and I thought to myself, what
the hell am I going to do at night? You know,
I spent the last four years looking after her. Yeah,
And all of a sudden, I've got this void ahead
of me. And unbeknownst to me, Helen, my late wife,
had not thrown out this aged manuscript of my story
that I started way back in the nineteen eighties. And
I found this in the bottom of a packing cratele whatever,
And I remember to this day, sort of sitting down
starting to reading and thinking, my god, I could do
better than that. Now, you know, it's a bit like
reading Janet and John go to the planet Mars. So
I set to work, and again, with the marvels of
the modern age and the Internet, I started to do
more and more research, and I kept coming across this
name by the state, but this name by the name
of Steve Dewey. Now I thought to myself, I know,
do I know this guy because he knows his stuff
about Warminster. And suddenly I had one of those light
bulb moments when I suddenly thought, hang on a minute,
that's the Steve Duwell and I met in nineteen seventy six.
So I got in contact with him, and we obviously
had a number of pleasant chatty email exchanges, and he
said to me, he said, look, he said, tell you what,
I'm actually a technical author by trade. Send me your
book and I'll have a look at it and I'll
see if I can add to it or if I
can improve it. Well, all I say is, that's one
of the best decisions I've ever made in my life.
So much so that Steve took the ball by the
horns he took the manuscript, pulled it up by its socks,
and gave it a damn good thrashing, and the books
suddenly finally saw the light of day, I think in
two thousand and seven.
Speaker 4: Wow, so it was obviously meant to be then.
Speaker 3: Oh, I do believe it was, yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So my next question for you is basically about
the sightings that were seen after that. You've briefly mentioned them.
There was the cigarette shape object and the two hot
pokers that people have seen. So what was that all about.
Speaker 3: Well, again, you're talking something fifty years ago. It was
reported in those days as best it could. The chances
are that I would say ninety five percent of the
people that were around in the sixties are now no
longer WHI us. So we can't actually now go back
and into view unless we've got a Tardis you're asking
about sightings and whatever, I'll tell you another one that
I had, And this one to this day still does
spook me, to be perfectly honest with you. It was
in April of nineteen seventy seven. Another friend and I
were walking down from Cradle Hill Cops towards what we
called the White Gate area, and in front of us
was Battlesbury Hill and over to the right was the
Westfield's golf Club, and we just happened to glance across
towards the golf club and there were these four red
lights coming over the sky equally doesn't space, the part
just pulsing, and by the time we got down to
the white Gate area, they were in a line stationary
above Battlesbury Hill and they just stayed there flashing for
about a minute and then the extreme left hand object
shot off horizontally to the left at speed, performed a
floorless ninety degree turn without stopping, and then shot straight
into the sky. And about thirty seconds a minute later,
the other remaining three objects then just shot straight up
into the sky itself. Now this it was dark, it
was moonless, it was moderately cold, there was no wind,
and we could hear the sound of the trains going
through a Warminster station about a mile away. Now, whatever
these babies were, they were totally silent. They did not
make a sound. Okay, there's a lot of clicking going
on there.
Speaker 4: No sorry, I'm just typing. Go on, So it didn't
make a sound. No, So how did you feel? What
was your feelings towards this that's it.
Speaker 3: We you know, we've we've seen we've seen another jet. Well,
I said, that's my second genuine warmingster, UFO. Wow, So
they tied. They ticked all the boxes. That is the
is the problem. You know, as a seasoned skywatcher, you
do have this mental tick list in your head. Yeah,
once you've ticked all those boxes, there is only one
conclusion left, UFO.
Speaker 2: Andy, Yes, what would you say in your estimation? Is
the origin of these things? Are we talking from other
planets straightforward into dimensional those kind of ideas that are
put forward by obviously different people about what they think.
Now I'm saying to you that I think obviously you
talk about genuine phenomena, but where would you originate it.
Speaker 3: If you'd have asked me that thirty that question thirty
years ago, I would have been a strong advocate of
the extraterrestrial hypothesis. These days, I tend, like I said before,
I sit on the fence because you do have to
be objective. However, on saying that there is a core
number of sightings, and I'm not just talking about warm
Instaum talking throughout the world, there is a core small
percentage of sightings which to this day define any form
of rational explanation, and they are the ones that need
to be investigated.
Speaker 2: Yes, certainly agree there. I'm from a friend of mine's
written a couple of books talking about the Eyea, these
things are their energies if you like, they're living with
us on the Earth together. They're not from outer space.
These UFOs are real phenomenon. They're not sort of nuts
and bolt spacecraft from alien planets. They are actually energies
if you like living creatures themselves.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing exactly, I think you've hit the nail
on the head there to a degree, because, like I say,
you have this mental checklist and at the end you've
got UFO in big capital letters. But the problem is
that for the majority of the population, you say UFO,
UFO equals flying saucer. Flying saucer equals not some bolt spacecraft,
not some bolt spracecraft equals little green or gray men.
And that is the problem again that we have to
get over.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I agree with you're inside that that's kind of
the thrushold I was saying. I think you've heard of
Andrew Collins is a friend of mine who is a
writer the book called light quest. I think it's suggest
have a good read of that on the Tae's chapter
in there it is do you know what I have
to confess, I only read some of it is terrible,
so I make this booka rid all of it. But
I'm trying to get another copy. I had it a
while back, and long story link to somebody in the
Lost Concert with them a bit back. But yes, so
to me, more and more I'm thinking about this is.
While you might say the more wackier explanation because we're
so used to the nuts and bolts space other planet
explanation that the idea of it being something maybe living
with us, it seems more crazy, but I personally think
more and more that this is more likely to be
the case. That we're not talking about the simple alien
spaceships from other planets coming down again meat and introducing themselves.
You're talking about energy presences. If you're like that are
living with us, They're actually part of our reality. Although alternatives, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Now, I mean, you know there are reports now that
some respected scientists are now saying that, yes, the possibility
of other dimensions does exist. You know, a window area
such as Warminster could well be a literally a gateway
to and from dimensions we don't know, absolutely a real possibility.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Steve, I was.
Speaker 5: What you think that? Why do we always think UFO
equal spacecraft?
Speaker 2: That's exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's because it's the way that we've been conditioned over
the years.
Speaker 5: It just seems weird to me that people automatically go
aliens and it could be any bloody thing. Yeah, I mean,
it literally means that we don't know what it is.
But you'll always get a hardcore that will instantly say
it's aliens.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, even as a season skywatcher on New
Year's Eve, New Year's night, you know, I look out
the window before I go to bed. There may be
Chinese lantern's going over, and just for a couple of seconds.
Speaker 4: You think, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: It's a cultural thing. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you think it could happen again, because you know,
I know it was quite a lot of stuff that
happened prior to the Christmas of sixty four with the
renders that happened round about the same time. Could there
be a connection. Could these things happen round about the
same time again?
Speaker 3: I don't know, is the honest answer. To that one.
As I often say, if I had an answer to
a question like that, I wouldn't be driving around in
a battered Ford fiesta. I've been a Rolls Royce, too true.
Just call me Nick Pope.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, So what research are you doing now regarding
with Warminster.
Speaker 3: I'm taking a little bit of a back seat to
a degree these days, because Steve and I have co
authored now two books on Warminster. There is obviously my
own book UFO war Mister Cradle of Contact. We've also done,
shall we say, almost like a ladybird book of Warminster.
It's scored fifty years of a mystery which goes into
the sort of warmister phenomenon over the last fifty years,
and a very sort of snappy, short but hopefully readable style.
I'm still researching it. I'm still interested in it, there's
no two ways about it. Last year I actually organized
with the Warminster fifty years of the Thing event in Warminster,
and this year we're doing another one called and this
is a very clever play on words, I must admit,
I'm quite proud of this Warminster area fifty one.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 3: So you can read into that one what you like.
But I know exactly where I'm going on with that one.
I mean so much so that we're actually widening the
envelope now of speakers. I mean last year, for example,
we had somebody drop out at very short notice. Sadly
one of our attendees was also a speaker, and I
literally on the Friday night rang them out and said,
you know, fancy doing now? Was a spot tomorrow, do
you which they very kindly did a very short notice.
So we're having him back. Matt Lyons, we're having him
back this year. We've got John Hanson who was with
us last year. He's the author, along with Dawn Holloway,
of the Haunted Sky series of books, the show Lovely Bloke.
We've got Maria Weekley who yep, and I think it's
Matt Williams. I think, but that that was only confirmed
the other day. We've definitely got four speakers so far.
We're looking at a fifth at the moment, but I
think after this year we may give it a rest
for a year and then maybe even widen the envelope
even further after that.
Speaker 4: Because I believe you you've been down to John Down's
Weird Weekend in the past.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did, Oh Lord, that's going back a few
years now, must be going back about six six seven
years now? I reckon six years or so?
Speaker 2: Reckon?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well he's still going, isn't he with them? So?
Speaker 3: Oh he's still plugging away, bless him.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Steve.
Speaker 5: The other question, Yeah, is there apart from the shall
we say, plethor of information in your books and that,
is there somewhere anybody can go to find actual document
of the time to read themselves.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's funny you ask that question. It really is.
Oh dear, oh, dear, odear. There there is my own website,
which is a UFO warmingster co dot uk. And on
there you will find scans of books, book covers, journals,
there's a timeline, various clippings and whatever. It's it's incomplete
because we can only work on it when we've got
the time to do it, sadly, but you know, there's
there's enough in there to at least hopefully pique people's
interests and make them think, well, hang on a minute,
they might have been something strange happening down there. After all.
Speaker 5: It's good when people can, especially people of a more
scientific edge. So should we say, can actually see the
original documents.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean there is a museum in Warmingster
called the Dewey Museum no relation and the late Ken Rogers,
who was a UFO buff. He was involved in the
Warman's the phenomenon for quite a while. When he died
he donated all of his books and press clippings to it.
And if you make an appointment, they're normally quite happy
for you to sit at a desk and peruse through
some two or three scrapbooks of a lot of Warmanster
related UFO sightings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because no offense to all the people that have
written books, but they do tend to put their own
edge on it and sometimes embellish slightly.
Speaker 3: They do. And the other problem is as well, is
that I found is that other people then rehash old cases,
other people's cases and put their own spin on them
as well, which makes them seem a little more racy
and pac than they really are.
Speaker 4: How would you like war Minster to be remembered? Would
you like it to be up there with Rendellsham and
everything else.
Speaker 3: I like it to be admittedly, again just a useless
piece of information for you. I don't know if you
remember when the film Independence Day came out, the Warmest
Council were presented by I think it was twentieth century
Fox with a plaque and certificate marking Warminster as the
UFO Capital of Great Britain. Really, I mean, going back
to the fiftieth anniversary last year, I mean I was
we call it the Duck Syndrome. It's all nice and
quiet on the surface, but underneath were paddling like hell.
And it must have been with the event was on
the Saturday, and it must have been on the Friday morning.
When we were driving down. We started getting phone calls this,
that and the other, and I mean because I was driving,
I couldn't take them. And we were setting up on
the Friday afternoon and I got a phone call from
a mobile phone. It was BBC Radio four and they said, oh,
we understand that you're doing an event to mark fifty
years the warm'ster funem and explain the situation. Can you
come into the studio tomorrow morning and do an interview
with us? And I said, well, it's a bit of walkward.
What time? I said, ten to nine? I said, well,
hang on a minute on stage at quarterpass nine. I
can't get to London and back in that speed. But
bless the BBC, they must have thought something of it.
They actually sent out a mobile broadcast van and there
I was in the waitress car park in Warminster at
ten to nine on Saturday morning doing an interview with
I think it was Martha Carney and Dr David Clark
definitely then they were. I got back to the venue
and sort of took the stage and I always remember
saying this. I did basically say to people, look, I'm
very sorry, I am totally warm and stod out. I said,
I have just literally come hotfoot from Patros from doing
an interview with Radio four with my arch adversary, Dr
David Clark. Well, the amount of booze that I got
was quite wonderful, but I did but I did did
around and said, well, don't worry, we've gentlemanly decided to
call it a DRAWD.
Speaker 4: One question I do want to ask you, Kevin, is
how has the concept of UFOs changed over the years.
Speaker 3: Immensely, absolutely immensely. I was at college in the mid
nineteen seventies. If you declared an interest in such a
an arcane subject as UFOs, you were laughed at, told
to go and where the silly hat and sit in
the corner for six months. These days, it's totally different.
If people ask me what my hobbies are, I explain
and I don't get laughed at. If anything, people engage
me in conversation, which is fantastic. And I call this
the post X file syndrome. Oh yes, simply because people
are now more willing to believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think very much. It's to do with
our breaking out of a certain mold of ideas about UFOs.
I think one of the things that we could probably
say we've experienced in time has been the UFOs have
been in a very particular bracket, as we were saying before,
a green men from spaceships that are coming to invade
and take over the world. That's I think with the
reflection of the times the sixties and seventies, with the
Cold War and the threat of sort of nuclear war
and the sort of enemy Soviet Russia, etca. And the
fact that that's kind of changed now think a little bit. Well,
we are open to different interpretations of what these UFOs
might be. So absolutely, one quick like to ask just
your personal opinion. I've asked a few UFO researchers in
the past. What do you think of the ancient aliens
idea that we have been somewhat altered or improved or
enhanced by ancient visitors from millennia ago, thousands and tens
hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm not against it, that's the first thing. And the
other thing I'll say is read the Bible. There's a
lot of stuff in the Bible. I mean, for example,
Jesus died was reborn three days later. Who used to
say he wasn't teleported out of his two We don't. Yeah,
we just don't know. So, No, there is there is
a certain amount of precedence involved in the ancient alien theory.
But as for them tinkering with DNA or US being
seeded here on Earth, I don't think so. I think
we are just basically a random roll of the dice.
And again going back to what I was saying earlier
on about the idea of alternative dimensions, the number of
exo planets that are being discovered almost on a weekly
basis now proves that there is something out there. And
insomuch that with me being a good little Catholic boy,
I'm not a Catholic now, but I occasionally do just
keep my eyes nears open. It's reported that the Vatican
has the second biggest zenobiological research facility outside of NASA. Now,
why is that?
Speaker 2: That's interesting to say the least, certainly.
Speaker 3: And being a good little Catholic boy when I was
at school, I was always taught to believe that man
was God's only creation. And now the Catholic Church have
very quietly done a u turn and said that when
intelligent life is found in the universe, it's all part
of g of God's great plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually cover that as a news item a
while back. There's a fundamental shift. But then, of course,
how many fundamental shifts of the Church had to make
over the last two thousand years in terms of new
discoveries and science and understanding of us not us not
being in the center of the universe. The sun doesn't
go around us, it's the other way around. They had
to accept these changes. But again that's a pretty fundamental one.
And one of the reason why I asked, of course,
is if you started off reading the von Dannagin book,
and he was guessed about some time back, and here
he said something to me that I was quite taken
aback one. I asked him again the same kind of question,
not like to answer the question he came up. Well,
actually I did ask him as a question, what do
you think about aid an abduction? Do you think that's
a reality. Do you think that actually occurs?
Speaker 3: Something occurs? Definitely, there are far too many experiences out
there for it not to happen. And I would say
that with the in the induction cases, I would say
at least eighty percent of those that have been adopted
are keeping quiet about it.
Speaker 2: I could experience, I could actually understand that. I mean,
I've done a lot of research into what's called the
Old Hag syndrome, the sleep press in hypogotic dream and
they can generate that sense of unworldliness and strange visitors
in your bedroom at night. I mean, I'm not seeing
everything say, I'm not saying every single experience can be
explained that way that way, But yes, Van Dannaguan had
said himself he wasn't particularly believer of such a phenomena.
I think his general thinking was those aliens visit us
millennia ago and never come back. But I forget the
name of the chap he spoke to me. It was
someone who's a scientist who'd done a research in this era,
and he was now convinced or certainly willing to accept
the possibility that these kind of vailing visitations and abductions
are still happening, that they are quite genuinely occurring. So
it's one of Christmas. I've now outslided asking anyone to
get the phos who went to talk. You know, do
you think of ancient aliens? Do you think there's abduction?
Just to get a few of what other views are
but yeah, well thank you for answering that anyway.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and again in my defense, I will
say is that with the amount of planets that are
being found, and with the timescale we're looking at, I
think we'd have to be a very arrogant species to
deny the fact that this planet has been visited.
Speaker 2: M I think there is evidence that suggests something that's
occurred at some time and at some level of involvement,
whether it's just visiting and saying hello and going off
again or actually causing changes to the DNA structure section,
and there's a whole vast gamut of scale. There are
possible effect. Just one thing I wanted to quickly mention
as well that was mentioned at this conference I was
at yesterday that kind of ties in what we're talking
about here, and I've just gone completely blank.
Speaker 4: While you're thinking about it. Let me just start on
the subject of abductions. You hear about these abductions obviously
and probing and stuff like that. Do you think that
does actually go on or you know? And secondly, do
you think the government know that we're being visited?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Because the way I look at it, yeah, they can
track a foreign aircraft coming into our airspace at a
drop of a hat and intercept But why can't Why
are they not intercepting or tracking the fact that an
alien spacecraft has come into our airspace?
Speaker 3: Well, now we're almost getting into the black ops scenario. Really,
all the black budgets and the road, very dangerous road.
I mean, you know, there are people that believe that
our space program is really about thirty years a more
advanced than it really is, right simply because that they
there is some kind of ongoing conflict. I I believe
personally that the governments of this world no more than
they're letting on not a great deal, probably but I
think that they know more. Yeah, and you know, you you,
I mean I I follow a number of people on Facebook,
you know, and they're all going disclosure. It's going to
happen this year. And that was last year, disposed, It's
going to happen this year. Edgar Mitchell says that we
are not alone, you know, And Okay edgar Mitchell is
no longer here to defend himself, sadly, but I do
seriously believe that possibly that the governments of the world
no more than they're letting on for the sake of
the public, because they are.
Speaker 4: Trickle feeding this, aren't they When they was opening up
the UFO files and what had happened and you know what,
what alien aircraft had been recorded?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, of course the problem with the the particularly
the British files at Q if you've seen in any of.
Speaker 4: Them, Yeah, there's not much on there.
Speaker 3: Exactly every name, every date, every location is blanked out.
And that is about as much use as chocolate fireguard
to researcher.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's like the files were recently released about
the Jfcare assassination. There were reference documents to the names
of files, but you have no way of access in
the files themselves, or what the content was, any idea
of it other than just the name. It was builder's
been some great release of information and the bugger all there.
There was nothing of any substantial use of value whatsoever.
I just remembered the thing I was going to mention,
which I think you might finction this as well. Kevin
was one of the chaps who was speaking of the commons,
was that yesterday is a PhD graduate in physics. And
at least we remember. A couple of years back there
were were the cern experiments that aud the big ring
that they fired particles to I think it was Venice
and back, and they arrived faster than the speed of light.
They did this.
Speaker 3: Experiment, which is technically impossible. Yep, this is impossible.
Speaker 2: They did the experiment over and over again and it
kept happening. And then they changed the criteria for the
experiment to say that we've made an aer in our
calculations and it was actually a mistake. And he said,
I can promise you absolutely now that was a deliberate
change of the scaling to make it impossible. But it happened.
They cannot explain it. Don't like it because it buggers
up a lot of them relativity theory. But it happened
these things were moving fast on the speed of light.
He said, we don't have a problem with things that
go fast and the speed of light, but they can't
slow down to below the speed of light. Equally, he said,
things below the speed of light can't speed up to beyond.
So it's like an invisible barrier between the two. These
particles clearly showed that barrier does not exist, and that
was a big problem, and it was really fascinating for
to say, say, the guy's not you know, Avery Ferry Sort.
He's got a pH d graduate in physics, so he's
got an idea what we're talking about. And it was
just I thought, thank you. I've been saying that for
ages that when they announced about six months later there
was an error of calculations, so I thought, but you
did the experiment repeatedly, kept getting the same results. Now
you're trying to tell us it was an error calculation
and something doesn't add up to it, and it doesn't.
Speaker 3: They are protecting their int their master's interests. Again, I
am not a great conspiracy theorist by any means, but
you know, who actually does control us? Is it governments
or is it business?
Speaker 2: The right I would go down the conspiracy stuff there
is about finance. You know, a scientist person I spoke
a long term ago, actually said the same thing that
basically science these days is not about experimentation and frontiers,
it's about finding funding. You do things that get funded.
You don't such stuff that's got no money behind it.
You're an interesting in things that will generate funding, and
businesses want things they can turn into cash and have value.
The idea of you know, as fast than the speed
of light travel would be fantastic, but it's so far
away that the fact that you can work, you know,
that's great, but he doesn't give us anything financial use
to it. It's a bit like a conversation we had
a couple of weeks back about the idea of the
gravitational waves. You know, what practical applications do they have? Well,
actually there's a lot, but at the moment it just
seems like random stuff that doesn't really matter to us.
But it should matters, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, you do have a valid point because
and then the other thing you've got to remember is
that what we're doing tonight talking via Skype. Fifteen years ago,
this wouldn't have happened. You know, technology is moving forward,
so you know, God knows what the next fifty years
has got in store for us. I dread to think, well,
as long.
Speaker 2: As someone can make money out of it, the research
will go. Hey, that's the problem. Yeah, that is the
unfortunate thing. I mean, I'm not a great conspiracy theorist.
I'm just in GfK as I said, but I've always
been thinking that governments are short term. It's they don't
really think about the future much of and than what'sing
they get elected in public companies have a lot of
power because it's about generating money. And that's the conspiracy angle.
It's to do with what money can be made from
things rather than real research, etcetera. But you know, I'm
getting my high horse again about this.
Speaker 3: Where does the money then go?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Bank balances that get huge and huge, that's our
meaningaires become billionaires.
Speaker 4: As I say, one question I do want to ask Kevin,
and I want you if you want mine, forgire us
for our ignorance. As I said to you, the Warminster
thing is not something that's been on our radar. To
be honest with you, is there anything that we've missed
tonight that we haven't asked you about?
Speaker 3: Oh, there's plenty really, to be honest with you, you know,
I mean over trying to condense a fifteen year mystery
with the people involved, sightings, everything else into you know,
an hour's program or whatever is really impossible. Yeah, but
you know, you have covered the bare bones, and there
will be people of a certain age, hopefully who are
listening in wherever there may be that may suddenly think, yeah,
hang on a minute, I remember about Warminster, you know.
And that's the interesting thing because one of the things
I've done, which I always intended to do, and which
as I say, I've now done, is that I have
reinstigated what we now call the Anniversary SkyWatch in Warminster,
and it normally takes place over the August Bank Holiday Saturday.
And the first one, I think in two thousand and
seven two thousand and eight, might have had about ten
people there. The following year they were at about forty
or fifty people there, and they were all people that
had come out of the woodwork in that year, and
they were coming up to me and saying thanks for
what you've done. Do you know, I thought I was
the only one that remembered Warminster.
Speaker 4: Wow, brilliant. So you've mentioned your book during the interview
and Cradle of Contact. Can you let people know where
they can get it from?
Speaker 3: They can get it from Amazon. It's a self published book.
John Downes is actually the publisher for the enough at
CFS Publishing. Yeah, but it's available on Amazon, so is it.
Steve and I's first fiction book, the second of which
will hopefully be out in March as well, was the sequel.
So yeah, the problem we found is getting a publishing deal.
It's damn near impossible. And I will tell you why.
A number of years ago, you may remember a book
by Nick Pope called The Uninvited, and then there was
a book by Timothy Good. I think it was Unearthly Disclosure.
They sold shedloads because this was sort of at the
height of the X Files mania. They were paid massive
amounts of money to write a second book, a sequel
of which Nick Pope did opened. I think it was
Open Sky's Closed Mind something like that, and tim Good
obviously started the treadmill going. But those books bombed and
the publishers got their fingers burned. That's why you will
find it very difficult to find a mainstream publisher that
will take the bit Butler horns and say yes, we'll
publish a UFO book.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Interesting. I wondering with the return of X Files Court
of that might make a difference.
Speaker 3: Six episodes, I don't think so personally. If it's to
become an annual thing of six episodes, then possibly yes.
But at the moment I think it's just a flash
in the panther with degree. I mean, I might be wrong,
and I'd love to be wrong, but you just don't know.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, Kevin, I'll be honest with you, this has
been one of the best, maybe the best interview we've
ever had on nephology and Sings, And I'll be honest,
it has been brilliant. There's there was none of the
normal no days where people keep saying they do this
and they do that and never tell you they are.
Speaker 5: That's That's one of Andy's pet peeves. His mission this
year is to find out who they are.
Speaker 4: But but I must admit, you know, with most UFO
A New follow interviews, you get a lot of the
silliness involved. If you can understand what.
Speaker 3: I'm saying I do indeed.
Speaker 4: Know, and this has been a very eye opening, very
interesting interview, and I thank you for taking the time
coming on.
Speaker 3: It's been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, don't be a stranger and have a good
time in whatever you're doing and whatever the endeavors come
your way in the future.
Speaker 3: I will keep you guys posting, have no fear of that.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. I'm going to leave you.
Speaker 2: Just check one thing very quickly. There is the Facebook.
There's a Facebook page on the Warminster UFO. Is that
one that you're involved in?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well there are actually a number. The one
that I'm actually involved in is UFO Warms or war
Mister UFO. There is another one that's Steve Wills. That's his,
but the war Mister UFO one is mine, as is
the war Mister twenty fifteen and soon to be the
Warminster Area fifty one as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, One thing I will ask, if it's possible,
We normally like to have a little bit of a
write up that goes with our interview in our month
monthly magazine that we do monthly or bi monthly magazine.
Would you be interested in giving us an a four
or a couple of a four article editory or something.
Speaker 3: I will indeed just drop me a message on Facebook
to remind me I will do.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Kevin.
Speaker 3: It's been brilliant, it's been fantastic.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, and I hope to speak to
you again soon.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, guys, byee Kevin.
Speaker 4: Well, we hope you have enjoyed the shot tonight as
we have enjoyed your company and look forward to speaking
to you again. That's basically so all it's left to
say is it's good night from me.
Speaker 2: It's good night from her, good night from the night
and out of space.
Speaker 4: So until next time, all it's left to say is
keep the paranormal friendly. Good night, bless guys.
Speaker 2: This is where it's at.
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Speaker 6: Hello, is anybody there