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Speaker 2: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering

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what the Greload Show is about if you haven't heard

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previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by

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a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the

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days of the KTPF radio show. They're own radio show

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around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for

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over three hours. I joined them in the last eighteen

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months of the show's run, but eventually the guys felt

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they've just about had enough. It was a monumental effort

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to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It was

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the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.

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So I thought it would be nice to bring them

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back to life and bringing you the interviews that the

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guys conducted over those four years and include some of

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the most interesting people within the world of the paranormal

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and some not so well known but nevertheless still very interesting.

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We even have one or two rather unusual shows, including

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a live salance and other things along those lines. Anyway,

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hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and this is the KTPF

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Speaker 3: Enjoy This program deals with themes of an adult nature

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another

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edition of the KTPF Community Talk Show, Live and uncensored

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from Manchester. My name is Suzanne, and over in Essex

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we have our regular co host Andy Mercer. Now we're

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here keeping the paranormal friendly, so pull up a chair

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and relax with us while we bring you through the supernatural,

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the paranormal and other stone phenomena. Right, well, let me

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tell you what's coming up today. We have Kevin Goodman

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talking about the warmingster Ufo mystery. Now apparently when it

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happened back in nineteen sixty four, cards stopped, birds were killed,

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children terrified, and reports of strange humming, noises, tremors, lights,

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crop circles, and UFOs were seen. Co author of two

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books on the Warmerster Ufoe mystery, Kevin was a skywatcher

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during the heady days of nineteen seventies and continues to

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be interested in the UFO phenomena that occurred. So we're

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going to find out what did happen in that small

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leafy Wiltshire town and Kevin. I must say that Kevin

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and his co author Steve Dewey, who's not with us tonight,

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are the acknowledged experts in this most unusual case. So

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that's what's happening tonight now, Andy, on the subject of

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human pendulums.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, Oh, believe you have.

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Speaker 4: Something to tell us, would you.

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Speaker 2: Like absolutely in a few minutes. Yeah, yeah, I can do.

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I went to a therapist like a pray conference yesterday,

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which is an annual conference organization I'm a member of,

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and one of the speakers there he's talking partly about

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his own form of therapy that he's come up with

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that is a combination of what's called kinesthetic therapy, involving

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into like tapping routines, etc. And the science behind it

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rather than just sort of being airy. Fray Woolu is

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actually a PhD Graduate in physics, so he knows this

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stuff scientifically. It features that he's discovered is that depending

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on whether you're positively or negatively orientated, or how you

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how you're wired in the brain, effectively, you can get

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a yes answer to something by thinking the word yes

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quite clear in your head. You start to lean forwards,

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and if you think the word no, you start to

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lean backwards. And it's been a phenomen it's been tested

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over and over again. The vast majority of the population

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work that way. A few people work the reverse, as

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they'll go backwards for yes and forward for no. But

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if you then tap on a particular meridian point on

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your hand, you reorientate yourself and then you will do

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the same thing as everybody else. You're lean forward for

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yes and backwards for no. It's a neurologic and neuropsychological phenomena.

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It's been investigative and there's lots of science behind it.

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But it's something to do with positive and negative thinking.

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That you're naturally drawn forward to positivity and away from

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anything negative, including negativity like the word no, because it's

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a connotation of not nice, you know, negative stuff, whereas

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yes it's an affirmative that's happy to do something. You

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tend to psychologic we tend to go to war things

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that are yes and a waif from things that are no.

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and no to you, and you're thinking it is the

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same with me, and you want there to be something there,

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the chance you can lean forward because you want it

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to be there with you, and then you might lean

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backwards if you don't want it to be with you.

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effect that it is down to what you're thinking rather

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than anything else. So that's just what I mentioned that.

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Speaker 4: Our guess, Oh, yes, time is sleeting. Let's add him

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to the group. Are you ready for this, Sandy? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think Andy's looking forward to this collecting.

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Speaker 2: I am interested.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Let's see if we can get him on the line. So,

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so to speak, are you there, Kevin? Can you come fourth?

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Speaker 3: I am fourth.

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Speaker 4: Good evening, Kevin, Welcome to the KTPF Community talk show.

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And tonight we're going to be talking about all things

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you fology. Starting off, really, how long have you been

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interested in this subject? Kevin?

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Speaker 3: Oh, lord, that is a personal question. Personal, I'd say,

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getting onto forty five odd years.

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Speaker 4: Really, yes, God, So when it comes to Warminster, first

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of all, to start with, where is Warminster?

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Speaker 3: Warmister is in the county of Wiltshire, about one hundred

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and twenty miles east of London, probably between Bath and Salisbury.

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Speaker 4: When we mentioned it last week, people were getting mixed

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up with Dad's army. Close close, Okay, So when we

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spoke yesterday, I mentioned to you that not a lot

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of my listeners have heard of Warminster. Why do you

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think that this is and why do you think it's

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not so relevant as the Rendalshan Forest incident.

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Speaker 3: Warmister was very much a product of its times, really,

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in so much that it lasted for getting on towards

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fifteen years. And as I briefly explained to you yesterday,

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when we were doing a test transmission in nineteen seventy eight,

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the South Wales phenomenon started, which was known as the

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Welsh Triangle or the dove In enigma. That lasted for

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about two years. Then of course, in nineteen eighty Renderlschrom

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hit the headlines just again as what we now class

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as multimedia has becoming out of its infancy. And I

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think that the problem is with Rendelsham now being compared

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to Roswell, that you know, there's a lot more interest

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in it because supposedly there's a lot more information available, right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And you don't feel there's a lot of information

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available about Warminster.

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Speaker 3: There was in the sixties and the seventies, there's no

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two ways about it. But the problem with the UFO

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subjects in this country these days is that you're only

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as good as your latest flap or your latest breaking news.

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So you know, Warminster was dying out by the end

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of the nineteen seventies. Wells came along, took the mantle

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up and then of course obviously Rendelsham after that, and

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Rendersham has still to this day refused to die.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've noticed that in many ways. So as I say,

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it's not your usual story of UFO sightings that happened

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in the sixties. So can you tell us how it

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all started?

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Speaker 3: Well, there is a date which most people use as

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the start, which was Christmas Eve in nineteen sixty four.

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But research that I've done over the years has proved

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that there was other strange phenomenon seen within the locality,

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maybe hundreds of years before that.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. For example, there was a report of two landed

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gentlemen seeing strange lightning bolts and balls in the sky

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of different color, apparently fighting each other. That was in

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the seventeenth century. And then just a few years after

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the Wright brothers took their first faltering steps into the

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sky at Kitty Hawk, a large illuminated airplane and I

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used the word aeroplane in Inverted Commas was seen flying

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over the area at speed. Really, so you're talking nineteen

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oh nine, nineteen ten, something like that, which again could

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tie into the Scandinavian airship scare. But like a lot

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of things within the UFO subject, the subject itself is

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continually morphing and moving on.

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Speaker 4: So how did it all start? There was talk about

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where are we that birds were killed? There was cars

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that stopped, tremors, lights and crop circles appeared.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not all at once. I hastened to add, okay, okay, well,

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as I say that it broke in Inverted Commas Christmas

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Christmas morning, actually nineteen sixty four when a local housewife,

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missus Marjorie By, was on her way to early Mass,

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and I believe it was christ Church in Warminster where

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she was assailed by sonic sounds, which, according to Arthur

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show Wood's report, left her weak, need, numb and scared.

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So that was the actual first modern day sort of

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manifestation of the thing. And at the same day there

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were reports of mysterious explosions and noises seen throughout the locality.

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For example, Roger Rump, who was then at the time

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Warmings's head postmaster, stated that it was if all five

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thousand tiles of his bungalow had been wrenched off the

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roof and slammed back into place. Now, the reason why

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he knows there was five thousand tiles was he had

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just had the roof retiled, right, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So that's why he was so exact. Okay. So regarding

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the noises, were they similar to the sounds that we've

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been hearing in recent years, And if so, do you

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think there's a connection.

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Speaker 3: I've heard one or two recordings of the noises, now,

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I mean, sadly, again, nobody ever seems to have actually

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had an audio recording of the noises over in war mister,

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old now, so you know, even cassette recorders weren't really

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around in those days. So you know, somebody who was

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looking enough to have a real to real recorder and

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a microphone plugged in, switch it on, drag it to

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a window, open the window and stick the microphone, then

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he might have heard something. Yeah, but the noises that

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you allude to, I definitely think there is a similarity

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to these noises that have been heard throughout the world

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over about the last eighteen months or two years, in

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similar in similar respect to what started the warm is

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a phenomenon off because they talk.

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Speaker 4: About a cracking noise, don't they One witness was talking

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about crackling noises.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they did. It was like another somebody else actually

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reported that it was if a branch or a bough

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of a tree had been dragged across the roof, making

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this sort of crackling, whistling noise. So, as I say,

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you know, there were different types of noise which were

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alluded to. For I was getting on for about the

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first six months, well into nineteen sixty five, until the

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actual visual manifestation started around May June time, right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Now, just out of curiosity, are there any military

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units in the area that could be the reason for

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the phenomena? Could these sightings be from another planet or

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dimension or maybe just some other some of our own

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black ops or reversed engineered aliens ships being cited.

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Speaker 3: That is a very interesting question. It involves a very

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convoluted answer. Okay, and I'll try and break it down

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in bits for you. Yes, there is a large military

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presence in the area. Warmister in the mid nineteen sixties

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was really famous for only three things. The School of Infantry,

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which is based just outside the town. It's now known

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as the School of Land Warfare. Would you believe Geese

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had a banana ripening plant in the town itself, which

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is sadly no longer there.

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Speaker 4: Now really but not there.

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Speaker 3: I thought people were bananas however. And the third thing

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was the very very early days of the Long Lead

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Safari Park, which again opened about nineteen sixty five nineteen

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sixty six. So yes, there definitely was a military presence,

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and a lot of people over the years have said, oh, yes,

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it's all military technology, it's all Black ops. But bearing

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in mind. As I said just a minute ago, this

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thing is now over fifty years old. If they were

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testing at that time what was cutting edge technology, it

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would have been retired years ago, right, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So that's the answer to that one.

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Speaker 3: There is a sort of further answer which I'll come

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on further on obviously, if the questions are going to

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go the way of they're going.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, I'm not going to dissie on this. Honestly,

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I'm following your leads. So if you want to just

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take us there, it's not a problem. Like I said,

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this is all new to me. This warmingster thing, which

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is what they called it, wasn't it a thing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: It was known as the war Mister thing because Warmister

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at that time was a very small town. It was

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a country town, and a lot of the people there

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had very little experience of what we now class as UFO,

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so anything that was unknown was referred to as the

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thing or the things, So obviously it was a generic

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title which the people of the town used this phenomenon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So when it comes to the MRD, what

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was their response to this event? Did they ever investigate?

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Speaker 3: They did investigate to a degree. For example, going back

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to those strange noises. On Christmas morning, some soldiers at

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Nook Camp, which is about four or five miles outside

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of Warmingster on the western side, going toward Salisbury, they

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heard what appeared to be They said, it sounded like

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a huge chimney stack being demolished and crashing to the ground.

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The guard was alerted, a search was made, nothing was seen,

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nothing was out of the ordinary. And yes, I do

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believe the military did quietly investigate some of the more

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stranger aspects of the warmings the phenomenon over the years,

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which does bring me actually jumping ahead right away to

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about ten years ago. I was emailed by a woman

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who basically said that during the seventies the early seventies,

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she and her family were based at Warminster in the

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army camp because her father was employed and he often

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used to go out on what they referred to as

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stag duty. Now stag duty is basically guard duty, and

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they would to alleviate the boarder often sky watched themselves,

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and they would see things that they could not rationally explain,

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the senior members of the camp and say, look, we've

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seen this strange light. It's done this, it's done that,

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it's done the other. And even the commander basically said, well,

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whatever it is, we don't know what it is because

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we had no exercises that night planned whatsoever. So whatever

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you saw was strange.

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Can I just jump back a bit because

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we've got a question here and he's just put it up.

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Andy's with us in the on the skype there. It

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was wondering what did you mean by the Scandinavian Scandinavian scare?

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Can you just tell us a bit about.

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Speaker 3: That, the Scandinavian airship scare that was around the time

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of the First World War and just at the end

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of the First World War. No, sorry, I tell a lie.

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It's the Scandinavian It's the Scandinavian rocket ship scare.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: The rocket ship scare was around, as I say that,

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the First World War and just after where strange ballistic

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strike missiles objects were seen over the Scandinavian peninsula for

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a couple of years. And the airship one that I

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allude to was actually in the United States way back

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in the eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: Ah, right, I'd heard of that one. I think about

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the airship in America. I wasn't sure that you know

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that makes sense for enough, just you mentioned it, I

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thought perhaps the listeners would have a bit more an

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idea what that one was about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do get confused, occasion brain. I blame my

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aged brain cells.

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Speaker 2: I know that problem.

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Speaker 4: Save. Have you got some questions?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? The BBC, I understanded a thirty minute documentary called

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Pie in the Sky. Oh yeah, have you seen it?

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And if you did, did you think it was? Did

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you think they were fair?

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Speaker 3: I thought they were fair For the nineteen sixties they

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were very fair. Admittedly the chief reporter was a little

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bit bias, but the whole thing was not treated, shall

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we say, with the disrespect that some modern programs probably show,

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insomuch that. In nineteen seventy eight, I think it was,

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the BBC did a second program, not specifically about Warminster,

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and this was called I Think Out of the Unknown

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and Arthur Shuttlewood, who I will come to in a

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few minutes if somebody reminds me he was actually approached

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to appear in this. The BBC spent two nights upon

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Cradle Hill, supposedly recording Arthur. By the end of the

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second night, Arthur was getting a lot more comfortable with them,

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he led his guard down slightly, and sadly they chose

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the most outlandic story that Arthur could have told them

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to actually broadcast on that program.

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Speaker 5: Right, Okay, Steve, Yeah, I was going to ask you

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a question about Arthur. Actually, he actually wrote three.

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Speaker 3: Books in about six sixth thought together was it?

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Speaker 5: I know he's he did towards the end of some

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rather strange ideas. Apparently I haven't actually read them myself,

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so I don't know what they were.

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Speaker 3: Right well, as I say, he wrote in total six books,

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The Warminster Mystery, which was the breakout book, which was

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published by Nevill Spearman. Its actual working title was The

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Warminster Sighting, but apparently somebody at Nevill Spearman felt that

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the Warminster Mystery had a little bit more punch and pizazz,

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so they decided to go with that. I believe that

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The Warmiston Mystery was a moderate best seller when it

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was first published around nineteen sixty seven. So Shuttlewood then

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took the decision to have his second book, Warminster from

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Flying Warnings from Flying Friends self published in Warminster. That

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was still doing the realms well into the late nineteen

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seventies nineteen eighties, Halfen must have had ten thousands of

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copies of that printed, but it didn't sell the vast

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amounts that he was hoping it did. And then, of course,

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the final book of his first trilogy is I do

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believe the one that you're alluding to, which is UFO's

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Keys to the New Age, where Arthur does start to

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have some very I would I'd use the expression cod

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scientific theories about UFOs.

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Speaker 2: Said, that's what I know the name from. I've been

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trying to think, well, I know that that Chap's name from.

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It's what you just mentioned. That's the one. Yeah, Yes,

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I wonderful to ask a quick question, Kevin, could you

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give us just a brief summary about in terms I

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know nothing about this, which isn't too far from sure.

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I've had a busy week and my chance to too

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much reading. But give us like a brief explanation of

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what actually happened during that time, what the sort of

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things were going to reported? What kind of length of

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time are we talking about.

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Speaker 3: Well, as I said, we're talking around in total fifteen years.

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I was involved towards the end of it because I

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was far too young in nineteen sixty five nineteen sixty

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to go down to Wiltshire on my own. I was

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still in short trousers in those days. It started, as

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I say, with about six months of strange, unearthly sounds

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being heard, and then around the May June time of

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nineteen sixty five the visual manifestation started. I believe the

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first sighting was made by a group of council workers

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on the town's central car park looking over towards cop Heap,

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which is an ancient Iron Age Ford burial mound, and

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they saw two red hot pokers in the sky which

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burst asunder and then flew off in various directions. By

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this time, after Shuttlewood, who was a reporter with the

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local newspaper, the War Mister Journal, was a massing a

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set of reports that people coming to him with. He

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obviously wrote his first book, and then he actually got

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his own skywatching group together of three people, himself, Cibil

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Champion and an ex RAF bomber pilot by name of

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Bob Strong, who was their photographer. They basically recorded and

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documented the Warmister phenomenon into the nineteen seven well, yes,

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well beyond the nineteen seventies into the nineteen seventies at least,

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and then they obviously then more people became involved, people

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such as Robert Chapman, who wrote a book called UFOs

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over Britain. And I also believe that Timothy Good was

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also a member of the sky watching group in Warmister

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at one stage.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we want some questions in the chat room for you.

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I was just reading one there, so I got lost

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when I was going to ask you a bit later.

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But I'll ask you now because Brendan Moss has also

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asked the same question. Have you had any personal experiences

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of UFOs? Which is one that I was going to

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ask anyway, But do you want to answer that now?

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Speaker 3: I will answer that for you now. The answer for

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that is yes, And.

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Speaker 4: Where have you seen these things?

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Speaker 3: You can't say yes, of course I can.

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Speaker 2: I've eat it.

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Speaker 3: I'll go eat this out, haven't I. Okay, again, I'll

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give a bit of my back history before I actually

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answer the question in full. I was brought up a

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very good Catholic boy. My parents were both about Catholics,

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church every Sunday, Catholic junior school, and at about the

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age of nine or ten, I began to sort of

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question things which a lot of particularly boys in those

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days did, because it was the Gemini and Apollo space programs.

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And my mother came upstairs one night, I'd already gone

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to bed in inverted Commas. She came into my room,

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whipped the idy down off me. And I don't think

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she's more horrified that I was reading a copy of

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every von Danikin's Charits the Gods, or if it wasn't

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a copy of Penthouse, are you say, then I have

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to be polite. So that's where the interest came from.

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And as I say, it was nineteen seventy six by

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the time I finally got down to Warminster. I don't

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know if either of you were old enough to remember

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the summer of nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 2: It was one of a large It was.

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Speaker 4: Nice and warm. It was over frying eggs on the pavement.

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Speaker 3: It was very warm. It's the only time I have

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gone up to Cradle Hill outside of Warminster to stay

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up till two o'clock in the morning, and I've only

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had to wear a t shirt and a light pair

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of trousers. It was that hot. Now. It was July

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nineteen seventy six and I first went down and on

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the first Saturday night, the first day we got there. Obviously,

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expectation was at an absolute premium. So my friend and

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I walked up in the company of a young lad

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from Warminster to Cradle Hill totally not knowing what we

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were going to see, you know, what the area was like,

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what we were going to expect to see or anything

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like that. And do any of you remember UFO detectors? No,

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I don't, Right, quick history lesson here again. It's amazing,

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you know, this is now. This at the time was

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fantastic technology. I mean it's so now primitive it's almost

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like looking at a stone wheel. They were battery powered devices.

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Do you know the toys that you can get or

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not the toys, but the things you used to have

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in science labs where you had a hoop of metal

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that you used to run over like a wiggly course. Yes,

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and if it made a connection, it beaped.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's basically UFO detector. That's the principle. Because the

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idea was these detectors. People believe that UFOs were being

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or were tapping into the urth's magnetic field and there

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was a compass point which was basically between two electrodes.

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If the magnetic field variated, the compass needle would move,

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would hit one of the electrodes, and the buzzer would sound.

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There were two of these items up on the hill

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that night, on that very first night. It was a

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beautifully warm night. There was hardly any wind. These two

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devices were sent away from each other and they were

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both sheltered from the wind. One was actually under a

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car if I remember correctly, and both went off simultaneously

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and we looked up started to scan the skies and

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there were two starlight objects transversed in the sky and

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moderately fast speed turned through ninety degrees, carried on and

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then just winked out. That was my first real warm

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inster Ufo on the first night.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Go on and say what's the most recent report that

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you're aware of? I mean, are they still regularly happening now?

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Speaker 3: No, No, they're not. Sadly, I now live up in

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back in my old hometown, my homestockred in the West Midlands,

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and we have up here what is known as the

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Dudley Doto okay, which is a triangular shaped craft which

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flies over the area quite sort of at random and

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quite freely. A lot of people do dismiss it as

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secret military technology. Now I'm not a conspiracy theorist, by

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the way, I am very level headed these days. But

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the one thing that I always retort back is people

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say to me, oh, it must be secret military technology

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00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,960
from Cosford or from an American air base. Yeah, then

475
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,880
why fly fly over one of the most densely populated

476
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,039
areas the United Kingdom.

477
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,119
Speaker 2: Yes, good points, Yeah.

478
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:48,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay. Tony Martin's in the chat room. He says,

479
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,359
I recall seeing some old news footage with ufologists with

480
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,160
their gizmo tools on a SkyWatch. Were they one of

481
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,240
the first ever UFO groups? And do you know any

482
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:01,480
of them?

483
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,799
Speaker 3: There are? There are more UFO groups than you can

484
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,359
shake a happule of coins at.

485
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: Okay.

486
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: UFO groups do love their acronyms. One of the earliest

487
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,559
ones was obviously Bufour. There was the British UFO, the

488
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,599
British UFO Society. There was the Flying Source of Society.

489
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:23,799
There was the EURETHEUS society. You know, there is now

490
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:28,279
the Birmingham UFO group. You know, it seems that every

491
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,960
major town seems to have their own particular group. I

492
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,839
do try and stay clear as many of these groups

493
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:39,279
as possible, simply because there is so much politics involved

494
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,160
in this subject these days, I do not want to

495
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:42,759
get involved.

496
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: No, I can understand that. So how did you actually

497
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,839
get involved in the phenomena?

498
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,039
Speaker 6: What?

499
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,279
Speaker 4: Obviously you were interested in it, but your involvement in it, now,

500
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,599
how did it all come about?

501
00:29:54,599 --> 00:30:00,599
Speaker 3: Well, my involvement initially started in the early seventies because

502
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,240
there was an imprint in those days called Tandem, and

503
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:08,160
Tandem Books had the rights to republish all the Neville

504
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,039
Spearman books that had been released in the sixties in

505
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:15,160
paper in hard back. Tandem would do them in paperback.

506
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:19,880
So you had people like Brinsley a Poet, Trench, Donald Kehoe,

507
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:28,480
Arthur Shuttlewood, Brad Steiger. All these people's books were being

508
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,799
published into a mass market, and they were coming out

509
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,680
at about one every two weeks. So you can imagine

510
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,160
when my pocket money went in the early seventies. And

511
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:39,640
one day I was in the local bookshop and I

512
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,359
saw this book, The Warminster Mystery, and I thought, oh,

513
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,319
here we go, another UF obook. I picked it up

514
00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:48,240
and I looked at the front and the biler was dramatic.

515
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:51,880
Uf ee witnessed sightings in England. Now, up until then,

516
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,720
I had believed that ninety percent of UFO sightings in

517
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,319
the UFO and was American based. Suddenly here was something

518
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:04,119
in the UK. And I read that book in one sitting, okay,

519
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,880
And from that day on I said, I'm going down

520
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,079
to that town, which I did do initially, then again

521
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:17,519
in nineteen seventy six. So my interest carried on probably

522
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,519
well into the nineteen eighties. And then you get a

523
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:26,559
bit older, you get a bit wiser. Yes, you're getting married, yes, yes,

524
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:31,240
settled down. And then, without going into too much detail,

525
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,480
my poor late wife finally decided to leave this earthly

526
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:39,799
coil in two thousand and three, and I thought to myself,

527
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:45,680
then she had cancer, and I thought to myself, what

528
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,319
the hell am I going to do at night? You know,

529
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,880
I spent the last four years looking after her. Yeah,

530
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,359
And all of a sudden, I've got this void ahead

531
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:59,319
of me. And unbeknownst to me, Helen, my late wife,

532
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:06,759
had not thrown out this aged manuscript of my story

533
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,119
that I started way back in the nineteen eighties. And

534
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,640
I found this in the bottom of a packing cratele whatever,

535
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,880
And I remember to this day, sort of sitting down

536
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,000
starting to reading and thinking, my god, I could do

537
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,839
better than that. Now, you know, it's a bit like

538
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,960
reading Janet and John go to the planet Mars. So

539
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:32,720
I set to work, and again, with the marvels of

540
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:36,279
the modern age and the Internet, I started to do

541
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,519
more and more research, and I kept coming across this

542
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,519
name by the state, but this name by the name

543
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,720
of Steve Dewey. Now I thought to myself, I know,

544
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:48,200
do I know this guy because he knows his stuff

545
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,000
about Warminster. And suddenly I had one of those light

546
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,240
bulb moments when I suddenly thought, hang on a minute,

547
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:57,000
that's the Steve Duwell and I met in nineteen seventy six.

548
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,480
So I got in contact with him, and we obviously

549
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,440
had a number of pleasant chatty email exchanges, and he

550
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,960
said to me, he said, look, he said, tell you what,

551
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:08,400
I'm actually a technical author by trade. Send me your

552
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,359
book and I'll have a look at it and I'll

553
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:11,720
see if I can add to it or if I

554
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,039
can improve it. Well, all I say is, that's one

555
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:17,839
of the best decisions I've ever made in my life.

556
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:21,400
So much so that Steve took the ball by the

557
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,119
horns he took the manuscript, pulled it up by its socks,

558
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,519
and gave it a damn good thrashing, and the books

559
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,319
suddenly finally saw the light of day, I think in

560
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:33,319
two thousand and seven.

561
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: Wow, so it was obviously meant to be then.

562
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: Oh, I do believe it was, yes.

563
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So my next question for you is basically about

564
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,599
the sightings that were seen after that. You've briefly mentioned them.

565
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:57,960
There was the cigarette shape object and the two hot

566
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,799
pokers that people have seen. So what was that all about.

567
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: Well, again, you're talking something fifty years ago. It was

568
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,840
reported in those days as best it could. The chances

569
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,159
are that I would say ninety five percent of the

570
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,000
people that were around in the sixties are now no

571
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,400
longer WHI us. So we can't actually now go back

572
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,360
and into view unless we've got a Tardis you're asking

573
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,719
about sightings and whatever, I'll tell you another one that

574
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,039
I had, And this one to this day still does

575
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,000
spook me, to be perfectly honest with you. It was

576
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,800
in April of nineteen seventy seven. Another friend and I

577
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,360
were walking down from Cradle Hill Cops towards what we

578
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,159
called the White Gate area, and in front of us

579
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,239
was Battlesbury Hill and over to the right was the

580
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,000
Westfield's golf Club, and we just happened to glance across

581
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:51,840
towards the golf club and there were these four red

582
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,920
lights coming over the sky equally doesn't space, the part

583
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:01,519
just pulsing, and by the time we got down to

584
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:04,360
the white Gate area, they were in a line stationary

585
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,800
above Battlesbury Hill and they just stayed there flashing for

586
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,079
about a minute and then the extreme left hand object

587
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,559
shot off horizontally to the left at speed, performed a

588
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:21,320
floorless ninety degree turn without stopping, and then shot straight

589
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,840
into the sky. And about thirty seconds a minute later,

590
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,719
the other remaining three objects then just shot straight up

591
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:34,239
into the sky itself. Now this it was dark, it

592
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,880
was moonless, it was moderately cold, there was no wind,

593
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,079
and we could hear the sound of the trains going

594
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,039
through a Warminster station about a mile away. Now, whatever

595
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,039
these babies were, they were totally silent. They did not

596
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:55,400
make a sound. Okay, there's a lot of clicking going

597
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:55,760
on there.

598
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: No sorry, I'm just typing. Go on, So it didn't

599
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,320
make a sound. No, So how did you feel? What

600
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,400
was your feelings towards this that's it.

601
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: We you know, we've we've seen we've seen another jet. Well,

602
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,679
I said, that's my second genuine warmingster, UFO. Wow, So

603
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,960
they tied. They ticked all the boxes. That is the

604
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:21,440
is the problem. You know, as a seasoned skywatcher, you

605
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:24,000
do have this mental tick list in your head. Yeah,

606
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,719
once you've ticked all those boxes, there is only one

607
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,360
conclusion left, UFO.

608
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:37,639
Speaker 2: Andy, Yes, what would you say in your estimation? Is

609
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,679
the origin of these things? Are we talking from other

610
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,360
planets straightforward into dimensional those kind of ideas that are

611
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,199
put forward by obviously different people about what they think.

612
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,960
Now I'm saying to you that I think obviously you

613
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,840
talk about genuine phenomena, but where would you originate it.

614
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 3: If you'd have asked me that thirty that question thirty

615
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,880
years ago, I would have been a strong advocate of

616
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:07,000
the extraterrestrial hypothesis. These days, I tend, like I said before,

617
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,159
I sit on the fence because you do have to

618
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,280
be objective. However, on saying that there is a core

619
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,760
number of sightings, and I'm not just talking about warm

620
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,599
Instaum talking throughout the world, there is a core small

621
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:25,079
percentage of sightings which to this day define any form

622
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,599
of rational explanation, and they are the ones that need

623
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:30,519
to be investigated.

624
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: Yes, certainly agree there. I'm from a friend of mine's

625
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,159
written a couple of books talking about the Eyea, these

626
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:41,639
things are their energies if you like, they're living with

627
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,280
us on the Earth together. They're not from outer space.

628
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,480
These UFOs are real phenomenon. They're not sort of nuts

629
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,679
and bolt spacecraft from alien planets. They are actually energies

630
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,360
if you like living creatures themselves.

631
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: Well, the thing exactly, I think you've hit the nail

632
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,480
on the head there to a degree, because, like I say,

633
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:03,519
you have this mental checklist and at the end you've

634
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:07,079
got UFO in big capital letters. But the problem is

635
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:11,920
that for the majority of the population, you say UFO,

636
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:17,960
UFO equals flying saucer. Flying saucer equals not some bolt spacecraft,

637
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,320
not some bolt spracecraft equals little green or gray men.

638
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,079
And that is the problem again that we have to

639
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:24,599
get over.

640
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I agree with you're inside that that's kind of

641
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,760
the thrushold I was saying. I think you've heard of

642
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,199
Andrew Collins is a friend of mine who is a

643
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:38,599
writer the book called light quest. I think it's suggest

644
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:40,920
have a good read of that on the Tae's chapter

645
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,880
in there it is do you know what I have

646
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,000
to confess, I only read some of it is terrible,

647
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:49,559
so I make this booka rid all of it. But

648
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,320
I'm trying to get another copy. I had it a

649
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,199
while back, and long story link to somebody in the

650
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:56,519
Lost Concert with them a bit back. But yes, so

651
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,239
to me, more and more I'm thinking about this is.

652
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:04,079
While you might say the more wackier explanation because we're

653
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,519
so used to the nuts and bolts space other planet

654
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,760
explanation that the idea of it being something maybe living

655
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,440
with us, it seems more crazy, but I personally think

656
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,119
more and more that this is more likely to be

657
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,199
the case. That we're not talking about the simple alien

658
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,440
spaceships from other planets coming down again meat and introducing themselves.

659
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,280
You're talking about energy presences. If you're like that are

660
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:30,000
living with us, They're actually part of our reality. Although alternatives, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

661
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:33,559
Speaker 3: Now, I mean, you know there are reports now that

662
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,360
some respected scientists are now saying that, yes, the possibility

663
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,199
of other dimensions does exist. You know, a window area

664
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,800
such as Warminster could well be a literally a gateway

665
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,800
to and from dimensions we don't know, absolutely a real possibility.

666
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, Steve, I was.

667
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 5: What you think that? Why do we always think UFO

668
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:05,039
equal spacecraft?

669
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: That's exactly what we're talking about.

670
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,039
Speaker 3: It's because it's the way that we've been conditioned over

671
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,599
the years.

672
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:16,119
Speaker 5: It just seems weird to me that people automatically go

673
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:22,239
aliens and it could be any bloody thing. Yeah, I mean,

674
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,719
it literally means that we don't know what it is.

675
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,960
But you'll always get a hardcore that will instantly say

676
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,480
it's aliens.

677
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, even as a season skywatcher on New

678
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,880
Year's Eve, New Year's night, you know, I look out

679
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,480
the window before I go to bed. There may be

680
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:45,239
Chinese lantern's going over, and just for a couple of seconds.

681
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: You think, yeah, yeah, definitely.

682
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: It's a cultural thing. Yeah.

683
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,079
Speaker 4: Do you think it could happen again, because you know,

684
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,039
I know it was quite a lot of stuff that

685
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:03,480
happened prior to the Christmas of sixty four with the

686
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:07,280
renders that happened round about the same time. Could there

687
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
be a connection. Could these things happen round about the

688
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,800
same time again?

689
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: I don't know, is the honest answer. To that one.

690
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,159
As I often say, if I had an answer to

691
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,719
a question like that, I wouldn't be driving around in

692
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,639
a battered Ford fiesta. I've been a Rolls Royce, too true.

693
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:25,000
Just call me Nick Pope.

694
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, So what research are you doing now regarding

695
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,519
with Warminster.

696
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: I'm taking a little bit of a back seat to

697
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,199
a degree these days, because Steve and I have co

698
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,639
authored now two books on Warminster. There is obviously my

699
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:51,199
own book UFO war Mister Cradle of Contact. We've also done,

700
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:55,079
shall we say, almost like a ladybird book of Warminster.

701
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:59,159
It's scored fifty years of a mystery which goes into

702
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,000
the sort of warmister phenomenon over the last fifty years,

703
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,000
and a very sort of snappy, short but hopefully readable style.

704
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,760
I'm still researching it. I'm still interested in it, there's

705
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,280
no two ways about it. Last year I actually organized

706
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,239
with the Warminster fifty years of the Thing event in Warminster,

707
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,480
and this year we're doing another one called and this

708
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:26,679
is a very clever play on words, I must admit,

709
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,559
I'm quite proud of this Warminster area fifty one.

710
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 4: Ah.

711
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: So you can read into that one what you like.

712
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,079
But I know exactly where I'm going on with that one.

713
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,599
I mean so much so that we're actually widening the

714
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,760
envelope now of speakers. I mean last year, for example,

715
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,719
we had somebody drop out at very short notice. Sadly

716
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:56,239
one of our attendees was also a speaker, and I

717
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,239
literally on the Friday night rang them out and said,

718
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,239
you know, fancy doing now? Was a spot tomorrow, do

719
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,000
you which they very kindly did a very short notice.

720
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,679
So we're having him back. Matt Lyons, we're having him

721
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,000
back this year. We've got John Hanson who was with

722
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,239
us last year. He's the author, along with Dawn Holloway,

723
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,039
of the Haunted Sky series of books, the show Lovely Bloke.

724
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:28,760
We've got Maria Weekley who yep, and I think it's

725
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,559
Matt Williams. I think, but that that was only confirmed

726
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,480
the other day. We've definitely got four speakers so far.

727
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,440
We're looking at a fifth at the moment, but I

728
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,239
think after this year we may give it a rest

729
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,960
for a year and then maybe even widen the envelope

730
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:45,920
even further after that.

731
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 4: Because I believe you you've been down to John Down's

732
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,119
Weird Weekend in the past.

733
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,039
Speaker 3: Yes, I did, Oh Lord, that's going back a few

734
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:58,360
years now, must be going back about six six seven

735
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,880
years now? I reckon six years or so?

736
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: Reckon?

737
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well he's still going, isn't he with them? So?

738
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: Oh he's still plugging away, bless him.

739
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, Steve.

740
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 5: The other question, Yeah, is there apart from the shall

741
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,760
we say, plethor of information in your books and that,

742
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,800
is there somewhere anybody can go to find actual document

743
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,440
of the time to read themselves.

744
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's funny you ask that question. It really is.

745
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,320
Oh dear, oh, dear, odear. There there is my own website,

746
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:36,960
which is a UFO warmingster co dot uk. And on

747
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:43,119
there you will find scans of books, book covers, journals,

748
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:48,480
there's a timeline, various clippings and whatever. It's it's incomplete

749
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:50,199
because we can only work on it when we've got

750
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,920
the time to do it, sadly, but you know, there's

751
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,960
there's enough in there to at least hopefully pique people's

752
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,880
interests and make them think, well, hang on a minute,

753
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,159
they might have been something strange happening down there. After all.

754
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 5: It's good when people can, especially people of a more

755
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,599
scientific edge. So should we say, can actually see the

756
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:13,559
original documents.

757
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:14,079
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

758
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean there is a museum in Warmingster

759
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:25,679
called the Dewey Museum no relation and the late Ken Rogers,

760
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,119
who was a UFO buff. He was involved in the

761
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,320
Warman's the phenomenon for quite a while. When he died

762
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,519
he donated all of his books and press clippings to it.

763
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,119
And if you make an appointment, they're normally quite happy

764
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,679
for you to sit at a desk and peruse through

765
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,639
some two or three scrapbooks of a lot of Warmanster

766
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,039
related UFO sightings.

767
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, because no offense to all the people that have

768
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:53,199
written books, but they do tend to put their own

769
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,400
edge on it and sometimes embellish slightly.

770
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: They do. And the other problem is as well, is

771
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:06,280
that I found is that other people then rehash old cases,

772
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,000
other people's cases and put their own spin on them

773
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:12,960
as well, which makes them seem a little more racy

774
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:14,400
and pac than they really are.

775
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: How would you like war Minster to be remembered? Would

776
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,519
you like it to be up there with Rendellsham and

777
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:22,280
everything else.

778
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:28,199
Speaker 3: I like it to be admittedly, again just a useless

779
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,960
piece of information for you. I don't know if you

780
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,079
remember when the film Independence Day came out, the Warmest

781
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,639
Council were presented by I think it was twentieth century

782
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:42,599
Fox with a plaque and certificate marking Warminster as the

783
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:48,679
UFO Capital of Great Britain. Really, I mean, going back

784
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:51,239
to the fiftieth anniversary last year, I mean I was

785
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,519
we call it the Duck Syndrome. It's all nice and

786
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,360
quiet on the surface, but underneath were paddling like hell.

787
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,400
And it must have been with the event was on

788
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,719
the Saturday, and it must have been on the Friday morning.

789
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,039
When we were driving down. We started getting phone calls this,

790
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,079
that and the other, and I mean because I was driving,

791
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,880
I couldn't take them. And we were setting up on

792
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,800
the Friday afternoon and I got a phone call from

793
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,679
a mobile phone. It was BBC Radio four and they said, oh,

794
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,239
we understand that you're doing an event to mark fifty

795
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,679
years the warm'ster funem and explain the situation. Can you

796
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,800
come into the studio tomorrow morning and do an interview

797
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,480
with us? And I said, well, it's a bit of walkward.

798
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:34,239
What time? I said, ten to nine? I said, well,

799
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,719
hang on a minute on stage at quarterpass nine. I

800
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,480
can't get to London and back in that speed. But

801
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,400
bless the BBC, they must have thought something of it.

802
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,079
They actually sent out a mobile broadcast van and there

803
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,440
I was in the waitress car park in Warminster at

804
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,920
ten to nine on Saturday morning doing an interview with

805
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,400
I think it was Martha Carney and Dr David Clark

806
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:03,559
definitely then they were. I got back to the venue

807
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,320
and sort of took the stage and I always remember

808
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,400
saying this. I did basically say to people, look, I'm

809
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,199
very sorry, I am totally warm and stod out. I said,

810
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:15,519
I have just literally come hotfoot from Patros from doing

811
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,920
an interview with Radio four with my arch adversary, Dr

812
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,320
David Clark. Well, the amount of booze that I got

813
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,000
was quite wonderful, but I did but I did did

814
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,639
around and said, well, don't worry, we've gentlemanly decided to

815
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:30,000
call it a DRAWD.

816
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,079
Speaker 4: One question I do want to ask you, Kevin, is

817
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,280
how has the concept of UFOs changed over the years.

818
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: Immensely, absolutely immensely. I was at college in the mid

819
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:51,920
nineteen seventies. If you declared an interest in such a

820
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,960
an arcane subject as UFOs, you were laughed at, told

821
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,440
to go and where the silly hat and sit in

822
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,079
the corner for six months. These days, it's totally different.

823
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,000
If people ask me what my hobbies are, I explain

824
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,679
and I don't get laughed at. If anything, people engage

825
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,760
me in conversation, which is fantastic. And I call this

826
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,880
the post X file syndrome. Oh yes, simply because people

827
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,199
are now more willing to believe.

828
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think very much. It's to do with

829
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,360
our breaking out of a certain mold of ideas about UFOs.

830
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,599
I think one of the things that we could probably

831
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:40,159
say we've experienced in time has been the UFOs have

832
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,039
been in a very particular bracket, as we were saying before,

833
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,519
a green men from spaceships that are coming to invade

834
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:48,079
and take over the world. That's I think with the

835
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,000
reflection of the times the sixties and seventies, with the

836
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:54,280
Cold War and the threat of sort of nuclear war

837
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,000
and the sort of enemy Soviet Russia, etca. And the

838
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,840
fact that that's kind of changed now think a little bit. Well,

839
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,159
we are open to different interpretations of what these UFOs

840
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,239
might be. So absolutely, one quick like to ask just

841
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,880
your personal opinion. I've asked a few UFO researchers in

842
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,880
the past. What do you think of the ancient aliens

843
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,639
idea that we have been somewhat altered or improved or

844
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,920
enhanced by ancient visitors from millennia ago, thousands and tens

845
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,320
hundreds of thousands of years ago.

846
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,079
Speaker 3: I'm not against it, that's the first thing. And the

847
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:31,440
other thing I'll say is read the Bible. There's a

848
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,280
lot of stuff in the Bible. I mean, for example,

849
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,760
Jesus died was reborn three days later. Who used to

850
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,400
say he wasn't teleported out of his two We don't. Yeah,

851
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,840
we just don't know. So, No, there is there is

852
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:53,960
a certain amount of precedence involved in the ancient alien theory.

853
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,760
But as for them tinkering with DNA or US being

854
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,920
seeded here on Earth, I don't think so. I think

855
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,840
we are just basically a random roll of the dice.

856
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,440
And again going back to what I was saying earlier

857
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,360
on about the idea of alternative dimensions, the number of

858
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,400
exo planets that are being discovered almost on a weekly

859
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,639
basis now proves that there is something out there. And

860
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,280
insomuch that with me being a good little Catholic boy,

861
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,920
I'm not a Catholic now, but I occasionally do just

862
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:30,320
keep my eyes nears open. It's reported that the Vatican

863
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,760
has the second biggest zenobiological research facility outside of NASA. Now,

864
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,760
why is that?

865
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: That's interesting to say the least, certainly.

866
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 3: And being a good little Catholic boy when I was

867
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,719
at school, I was always taught to believe that man

868
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,719
was God's only creation. And now the Catholic Church have

869
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,599
very quietly done a u turn and said that when

870
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,679
intelligent life is found in the universe, it's all part

871
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,400
of g of God's great plan.

872
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:04,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually cover that as a news item a

873
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:08,079
while back. There's a fundamental shift. But then, of course,

874
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:10,280
how many fundamental shifts of the Church had to make

875
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,199
over the last two thousand years in terms of new

876
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,960
discoveries and science and understanding of us not us not

877
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,039
being in the center of the universe. The sun doesn't

878
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:20,840
go around us, it's the other way around. They had

879
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,199
to accept these changes. But again that's a pretty fundamental one.

880
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,599
And one of the reason why I asked, of course,

881
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:27,760
is if you started off reading the von Dannagin book,

882
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,360
and he was guessed about some time back, and here

883
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,199
he said something to me that I was quite taken

884
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:35,280
aback one. I asked him again the same kind of question,

885
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,199
not like to answer the question he came up. Well,

886
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:39,920
actually I did ask him as a question, what do

887
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,159
you think about aid an abduction? Do you think that's

888
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:44,280
a reality. Do you think that actually occurs?

889
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: Something occurs? Definitely, there are far too many experiences out

890
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:57,679
there for it not to happen. And I would say

891
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,920
that with the in the induction cases, I would say

892
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,280
at least eighty percent of those that have been adopted

893
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,440
are keeping quiet about it.

894
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:08,639
Speaker 2: I could experience, I could actually understand that. I mean,

895
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,679
I've done a lot of research into what's called the

896
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:14,960
Old Hag syndrome, the sleep press in hypogotic dream and

897
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,480
they can generate that sense of unworldliness and strange visitors

898
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,239
in your bedroom at night. I mean, I'm not seeing

899
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:26,360
everything say, I'm not saying every single experience can be

900
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,440
explained that way that way, But yes, Van Dannaguan had

901
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,280
said himself he wasn't particularly believer of such a phenomena.

902
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:37,119
I think his general thinking was those aliens visit us

903
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,760
millennia ago and never come back. But I forget the

904
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,360
name of the chap he spoke to me. It was

905
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,679
someone who's a scientist who'd done a research in this era,

906
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,920
and he was now convinced or certainly willing to accept

907
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,599
the possibility that these kind of vailing visitations and abductions

908
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:55,199
are still happening, that they are quite genuinely occurring. So

909
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,440
it's one of Christmas. I've now outslided asking anyone to

910
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:00,519
get the phos who went to talk. You know, do

911
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,519
you think of ancient aliens? Do you think there's abduction?

912
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,239
Just to get a few of what other views are

913
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,199
but yeah, well thank you for answering that anyway.

914
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and again in my defense, I will

915
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,360
say is that with the amount of planets that are

916
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,760
being found, and with the timescale we're looking at, I

917
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,800
think we'd have to be a very arrogant species to

918
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,960
deny the fact that this planet has been visited.

919
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: M I think there is evidence that suggests something that's

920
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,320
occurred at some time and at some level of involvement,

921
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,119
whether it's just visiting and saying hello and going off

922
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:36,880
again or actually causing changes to the DNA structure section,

923
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,559
and there's a whole vast gamut of scale. There are

924
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,320
possible effect. Just one thing I wanted to quickly mention

925
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,760
as well that was mentioned at this conference I was

926
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,679
at yesterday that kind of ties in what we're talking

927
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,920
about here, and I've just gone completely blank.

928
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,039
Speaker 4: While you're thinking about it. Let me just start on

929
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:05,239
the subject of abductions. You hear about these abductions obviously

930
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,360
and probing and stuff like that. Do you think that

931
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,239
does actually go on or you know? And secondly, do

932
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,599
you think the government know that we're being visited?

933
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:19,079
Speaker 2: Oh?

934
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,079
Speaker 4: Because the way I look at it, yeah, they can

935
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:29,119
track a foreign aircraft coming into our airspace at a

936
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:33,920
drop of a hat and intercept But why can't Why

937
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,119
are they not intercepting or tracking the fact that an

938
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:41,039
alien spacecraft has come into our airspace?

939
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: Well, now we're almost getting into the black ops scenario. Really,

940
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,559
all the black budgets and the road, very dangerous road.

941
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:53,360
I mean, you know, there are people that believe that

942
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,519
our space program is really about thirty years a more

943
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,920
advanced than it really is, right simply because that they

944
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:07,639
there is some kind of ongoing conflict. I I believe

945
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,760
personally that the governments of this world no more than

946
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,519
they're letting on not a great deal, probably but I

947
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,639
think that they know more. Yeah, and you know, you you,

948
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,679
I mean I I follow a number of people on Facebook,

949
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:22,039
you know, and they're all going disclosure. It's going to

950
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,639
happen this year. And that was last year, disposed, It's

951
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:28,239
going to happen this year. Edgar Mitchell says that we

952
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,079
are not alone, you know, And Okay edgar Mitchell is

953
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:35,920
no longer here to defend himself, sadly, but I do

954
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,760
seriously believe that possibly that the governments of the world

955
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,920
no more than they're letting on for the sake of

956
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,199
the public, because they are.

957
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 4: Trickle feeding this, aren't they When they was opening up

958
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,800
the UFO files and what had happened and you know what,

959
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,519
what alien aircraft had been recorded?

960
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, of course the problem with the the particularly

961
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,679
the British files at Q if you've seen in any of.

962
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 4: Them, Yeah, there's not much on there.

963
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,039
Speaker 3: Exactly every name, every date, every location is blanked out.

964
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:09,039
And that is about as much use as chocolate fireguard

965
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:09,679
to researcher.

966
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.

967
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's like the files were recently released about

968
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,880
the Jfcare assassination. There were reference documents to the names

969
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,599
of files, but you have no way of access in

970
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,519
the files themselves, or what the content was, any idea

971
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:24,960
of it other than just the name. It was builder's

972
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,159
been some great release of information and the bugger all there.

973
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,639
There was nothing of any substantial use of value whatsoever.

974
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,199
I just remembered the thing I was going to mention,

975
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:34,800
which I think you might finction this as well. Kevin

976
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,039
was one of the chaps who was speaking of the commons,

977
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,719
was that yesterday is a PhD graduate in physics. And

978
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,400
at least we remember. A couple of years back there

979
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,800
were were the cern experiments that aud the big ring

980
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:50,199
that they fired particles to I think it was Venice

981
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:53,199
and back, and they arrived faster than the speed of light.

982
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:54,679
They did this.

983
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,159
Speaker 3: Experiment, which is technically impossible. Yep, this is impossible.

984
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: They did the experiment over and over again and it

985
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,159
kept happening. And then they changed the criteria for the

986
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:05,920
experiment to say that we've made an aer in our

987
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,599
calculations and it was actually a mistake. And he said,

988
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,360
I can promise you absolutely now that was a deliberate

989
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,960
change of the scaling to make it impossible. But it happened.

990
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:18,599
They cannot explain it. Don't like it because it buggers

991
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:21,599
up a lot of them relativity theory. But it happened

992
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:23,599
these things were moving fast on the speed of light.

993
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:25,400
He said, we don't have a problem with things that

994
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,000
go fast and the speed of light, but they can't

995
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,440
slow down to below the speed of light. Equally, he said,

996
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,639
things below the speed of light can't speed up to beyond.

997
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:33,840
So it's like an invisible barrier between the two. These

998
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,199
particles clearly showed that barrier does not exist, and that

999
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,920
was a big problem, and it was really fascinating for

1000
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,280
to say, say, the guy's not you know, Avery Ferry Sort.

1001
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:43,320
He's got a pH d graduate in physics, so he's

1002
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,719
got an idea what we're talking about. And it was

1003
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,039
just I thought, thank you. I've been saying that for

1004
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:49,639
ages that when they announced about six months later there

1005
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:51,280
was an error of calculations, so I thought, but you

1006
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,400
did the experiment repeatedly, kept getting the same results. Now

1007
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,159
you're trying to tell us it was an error calculation

1008
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:58,559
and something doesn't add up to it, and it doesn't.

1009
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 3: They are protecting their int their master's interests. Again, I

1010
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,760
am not a great conspiracy theorist by any means, but

1011
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,920
you know, who actually does control us? Is it governments

1012
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:12,400
or is it business?

1013
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,119
Speaker 2: The right I would go down the conspiracy stuff there

1014
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:19,960
is about finance. You know, a scientist person I spoke

1015
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,800
a long term ago, actually said the same thing that

1016
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,079
basically science these days is not about experimentation and frontiers,

1017
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:28,639
it's about finding funding. You do things that get funded.

1018
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:30,480
You don't such stuff that's got no money behind it.

1019
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:32,960
You're an interesting in things that will generate funding, and

1020
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,360
businesses want things they can turn into cash and have value.

1021
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,519
The idea of you know, as fast than the speed

1022
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:39,519
of light travel would be fantastic, but it's so far

1023
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,320
away that the fact that you can work, you know,

1024
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,360
that's great, but he doesn't give us anything financial use

1025
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,559
to it. It's a bit like a conversation we had

1026
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,199
a couple of weeks back about the idea of the

1027
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:53,199
gravitational waves. You know, what practical applications do they have? Well,

1028
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:55,119
actually there's a lot, but at the moment it just

1029
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,400
seems like random stuff that doesn't really matter to us.

1030
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,559
But it should matters, you.

1031
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:02,159
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, you do have a valid point because

1032
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:03,559
and then the other thing you've got to remember is

1033
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:07,320
that what we're doing tonight talking via Skype. Fifteen years ago,

1034
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,679
this wouldn't have happened. You know, technology is moving forward,

1035
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:15,840
so you know, God knows what the next fifty years

1036
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,519
has got in store for us. I dread to think, well,

1037
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:18,920
as long.

1038
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: As someone can make money out of it, the research

1039
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,840
will go. Hey, that's the problem. Yeah, that is the

1040
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,199
unfortunate thing. I mean, I'm not a great conspiracy theorist.

1041
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,519
I'm just in GfK as I said, but I've always

1042
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,199
been thinking that governments are short term. It's they don't

1043
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:34,039
really think about the future much of and than what'sing

1044
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:35,800
they get elected in public companies have a lot of

1045
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,119
power because it's about generating money. And that's the conspiracy angle.

1046
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:40,719
It's to do with what money can be made from

1047
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:43,559
things rather than real research, etcetera. But you know, I'm

1048
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:44,800
getting my high horse again about this.

1049
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: Where does the money then go?

1050
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: Exactly? Bank balances that get huge and huge, that's our

1051
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,039
meaningaires become billionaires.

1052
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:57,079
Speaker 4: As I say, one question I do want to ask Kevin,

1053
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,360
and I want you if you want mine, forgire us

1054
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,719
for our ignorance. As I said to you, the Warminster

1055
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,360
thing is not something that's been on our radar. To

1056
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,440
be honest with you, is there anything that we've missed

1057
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,280
tonight that we haven't asked you about?

1058
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 3: Oh, there's plenty really, to be honest with you, you know,

1059
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:23,119
I mean over trying to condense a fifteen year mystery

1060
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:27,840
with the people involved, sightings, everything else into you know,

1061
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,440
an hour's program or whatever is really impossible. Yeah, but

1062
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,039
you know, you have covered the bare bones, and there

1063
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,480
will be people of a certain age, hopefully who are

1064
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:43,039
listening in wherever there may be that may suddenly think, yeah,

1065
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:46,559
hang on a minute, I remember about Warminster, you know.

1066
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,400
And that's the interesting thing because one of the things

1067
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,159
I've done, which I always intended to do, and which

1068
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,559
as I say, I've now done, is that I have

1069
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:59,519
reinstigated what we now call the Anniversary SkyWatch in Warminster,

1070
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:03,360
and it normally takes place over the August Bank Holiday Saturday.

1071
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,599
And the first one, I think in two thousand and

1072
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,000
seven two thousand and eight, might have had about ten

1073
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:13,400
people there. The following year they were at about forty

1074
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,400
or fifty people there, and they were all people that

1075
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,800
had come out of the woodwork in that year, and

1076
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,159
they were coming up to me and saying thanks for

1077
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:22,679
what you've done. Do you know, I thought I was

1078
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:24,800
the only one that remembered Warminster.

1079
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,119
Speaker 4: Wow, brilliant. So you've mentioned your book during the interview

1080
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:34,880
and Cradle of Contact. Can you let people know where

1081
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:35,960
they can get it from?

1082
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,679
Speaker 3: They can get it from Amazon. It's a self published book.

1083
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,960
John Downes is actually the publisher for the enough at

1084
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:49,480
CFS Publishing. Yeah, but it's available on Amazon, so is it.

1085
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:54,239
Steve and I's first fiction book, the second of which

1086
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,280
will hopefully be out in March as well, was the sequel.

1087
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:04,519
So yeah, the problem we found is getting a publishing deal.

1088
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,920
It's damn near impossible. And I will tell you why.

1089
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,480
A number of years ago, you may remember a book

1090
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:16,400
by Nick Pope called The Uninvited, and then there was

1091
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,480
a book by Timothy Good. I think it was Unearthly Disclosure.

1092
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:23,519
They sold shedloads because this was sort of at the

1093
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:27,519
height of the X Files mania. They were paid massive

1094
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:32,039
amounts of money to write a second book, a sequel

1095
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,639
of which Nick Pope did opened. I think it was

1096
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,920
Open Sky's Closed Mind something like that, and tim Good

1097
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,559
obviously started the treadmill going. But those books bombed and

1098
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:46,119
the publishers got their fingers burned. That's why you will

1099
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:49,320
find it very difficult to find a mainstream publisher that

1100
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,199
will take the bit Butler horns and say yes, we'll

1101
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,840
publish a UFO book.

1102
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:54,559
Speaker 5: Right.

1103
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,239
Speaker 2: Interesting. I wondering with the return of X Files Court

1104
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:01,440
of that might make a difference.

1105
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: Six episodes, I don't think so personally. If it's to

1106
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,840
become an annual thing of six episodes, then possibly yes.

1107
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,199
But at the moment I think it's just a flash

1108
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:20,000
in the panther with degree. I mean, I might be wrong,

1109
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,719
and I'd love to be wrong, but you just don't know.

1110
01:04:22,159 --> 01:04:26,039
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, Kevin, I'll be honest with you, this has

1111
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,239
been one of the best, maybe the best interview we've

1112
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:34,000
ever had on nephology and Sings, And I'll be honest,

1113
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,159
it has been brilliant. There's there was none of the

1114
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:43,480
normal no days where people keep saying they do this

1115
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:45,239
and they do that and never tell you they are.

1116
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:51,559
Speaker 5: That's That's one of Andy's pet peeves. His mission this

1117
01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:53,119
year is to find out who they are.

1118
01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:58,639
Speaker 4: But but I must admit, you know, with most UFO

1119
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,119
A New follow interviews, you get a lot of the

1120
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:05,400
silliness involved. If you can understand what.

1121
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm saying I do indeed.

1122
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 4: Know, and this has been a very eye opening, very

1123
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,280
interesting interview, and I thank you for taking the time

1124
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:14,760
coming on.

1125
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:16,639
Speaker 3: It's been an absolute pleasure.

1126
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 4: Okay, well, don't be a stranger and have a good

1127
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,679
time in whatever you're doing and whatever the endeavors come

1128
01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:25,800
your way in the future.

1129
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,599
Speaker 3: I will keep you guys posting, have no fear of that.

1130
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. I'm going to leave you.

1131
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: Just check one thing very quickly. There is the Facebook.

1132
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,039
There's a Facebook page on the Warminster UFO. Is that

1133
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:38,320
one that you're involved in?

1134
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well there are actually a number. The one

1135
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,199
that I'm actually involved in is UFO Warms or war

1136
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:55,519
Mister UFO. There is another one that's Steve Wills. That's his,

1137
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,920
but the war Mister UFO one is mine, as is

1138
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,679
the war Mister twenty fifteen and soon to be the

1139
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:04,800
Warminster Area fifty one as well.

1140
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, One thing I will ask, if it's possible,

1141
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,599
We normally like to have a little bit of a

1142
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:18,920
write up that goes with our interview in our month

1143
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,119
monthly magazine that we do monthly or bi monthly magazine.

1144
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:25,960
Would you be interested in giving us an a four

1145
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:30,760
or a couple of a four article editory or something.

1146
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 3: I will indeed just drop me a message on Facebook

1147
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,719
to remind me I will do.

1148
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,039
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Kevin.

1149
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 3: It's been brilliant, it's been fantastic.

1150
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,039
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, and I hope to speak to

1151
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:40,679
you again soon.

1152
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, guys, byee Kevin.

1153
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 4: Well, we hope you have enjoyed the shot tonight as

1154
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,719
we have enjoyed your company and look forward to speaking

1155
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:53,920
to you again. That's basically so all it's left to

1156
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,440
say is it's good night from me.

1157
01:06:55,679 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: It's good night from her, good night from the night

1158
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:01,199
and out of space.

1159
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 4: So until next time, all it's left to say is

1160
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,360
keep the paranormal friendly. Good night, bless guys.

1161
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,599
Speaker 2: This is where it's at.

1162
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 6: Hellier Harry Price here, good evening. If there's nothing myself

1163
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,039
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1164
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:21,119
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1165
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:25,159
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1166
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:29,000
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1167
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,480
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1168
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,079
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1169
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:38,840
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1170
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 3: Hope you enjoy them as much as we do over here.

1171
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 6: Hello, is anybody there