Speaker 1: You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers
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Speaker 1: You got the privilege of talking to mister super Dave
Speaker 1: aka Sasquatch. It's the individual that I have been wanting
Speaker 1: to get on the show. As we just were talking about.
Speaker 1: He's on the list, but the list is long and
Speaker 1: he actually reached out as well, so hey worked out
Speaker 1: for the best. So a few things about yourself, super Dave.
Speaker 1: You've been having encounters for over fifty two years now
Speaker 1: and sharing them is part of this next road in
Speaker 1: life that God has you on, which is pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: So welcome to the show, sir. How are you doing today.
Speaker 2: I'm doing well, doing well. I appreciate you having us
Speaker 2: on here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's always always a good day when we were
Speaker 1: able to talk to someone about Bigfoot and how it's
Speaker 1: affected them, and man, I have a feeling we've got
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. So when I have an
Speaker 1: individual on that that has so many years, so many years,
Speaker 1: is there an experience that gave you the name super
Speaker 1: Dave or do we actually need to go further back
Speaker 1: than when you got the name super Dave to get
Speaker 1: the whole story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got named super Dave in high school and
Speaker 2: it was kind of three guys were beating up on
Speaker 2: one and I jumped over this big embankment and so
Speaker 2: there was like, man, you look like Superman. So the
Speaker 2: Super Dave stuff, But that was way after my first encounter.
Speaker 2: You know, my first encounter was in nineteen seventy four thereabouts.
Speaker 2: I believe it was the spring. There's a lot that
Speaker 2: led up to this encounter. You know, of course, you
Speaker 2: didn't have internet back then. With no cell phones, you know,
Speaker 2: it was hard to even take video or even much
Speaker 2: less take a picture. And I grew up in a
Speaker 2: poor family and we lived out on the river and
Speaker 2: here in Arkansas and Saginaw, Arkansas, and where I had
Speaker 2: my first encounter was the Saginaw Eddie Bottoms and I
Speaker 2: used to hunt fish and trap. You know. It wasn't
Speaker 2: real safe for me be in the house sometimes when
Speaker 2: my dad was gone. So I chose to go to
Speaker 2: the woods. And I love the woods. That's the only
Speaker 2: place I feel just you know, I can get out
Speaker 2: and people need to, you know, and they need to
Speaker 2: quiet their minds, especially if they want to hear from
Speaker 2: their God. Just being out of the woods, sitting there
Speaker 2: and listening to the breeze, you know, listening to the birds, chirt,
Speaker 2: the crickets, the frogs, all that kind of stuff. It
Speaker 2: just closed off everything in your world and talk to
Speaker 2: your God. So that started me out on just really
Speaker 2: loving the woods and I hunt fish trap, you know.
Speaker 2: But leading into my encounter was I had this one
Speaker 2: spot down in the Saginaw Eddy Bottoms and you got
Speaker 2: the wash Tall River and you got a lot of
Speaker 2: creeks running in the washing tall river. You got a
Speaker 2: bunch of bious back in there swamped areas? Why not?
Speaker 2: And uh, I always, like I said, I hunt fishing
Speaker 2: trap So that morning when I was getting up, well,
Speaker 2: listen back up just a little bit. I always ran
Speaker 2: a trap line. I had about seven little steel traps,
Speaker 2: and I would sell hides what not. And uh, I
Speaker 2: noticed that my traps were being either disappearing or disappearing,
Speaker 2: or uh they were sprung. They'd have a stick at them.
Speaker 2: So I figured there was somebody down there messing with
Speaker 2: my traps. In the trap bait is where I first
Speaker 2: started picking up. And then my traps are being stung sprung.
Speaker 2: But my grandpa taught me to take catch a bunch
Speaker 2: of fits, take a bunch of uh fish and put
Speaker 2: them in a jar and in a mason jar, and
Speaker 2: then bury them by a foot in the dirt. And
Speaker 2: then when it comes, when it comes, when it comes
Speaker 2: fall time for trapping season, you dug that bade up
Speaker 2: and it would stink to I heavn's I mean it
Speaker 2: was it was make you throw up type stuff. But
Speaker 2: it was real good for fish. And I mean that
Speaker 2: fish is real good for trapping. And so I would
Speaker 2: take my trap bait, and I would take it down there.
Speaker 2: And I didn't either put it in a hollow log,
Speaker 2: because you didn't want to carry this stuff all the time,
Speaker 2: just in case of glass broke. You wanted to transport
Speaker 2: it one time, and one time only until after trap season.
Speaker 2: Then I just pull it up, dump it out, and
Speaker 2: then bring it on back and use the jars next year.
Speaker 2: So I put it up in a you know, a
Speaker 2: fork of a tree under you know, in a hollow
Speaker 2: log underneath you know by uh, covered up with leaves
Speaker 2: by a rock or something. But I noticed that, uh,
Speaker 2: something started getting into my trap bait. Now I didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about tree knocks. I didn't know anything about woops.
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about tree structures. Now I saw
Speaker 2: these things. I heard a bunch of tree knocks down there,
Speaker 2: and saw some structures. Now that I know what I
Speaker 2: know today. And I told my dad, I said, Daddy,
Speaker 2: I said there's something down there and in bottoms. I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, but it's making all kinds
Speaker 2: of rackets and beating on trees and stuff. And he said,
Speaker 2: he said, son, it's a bear. And of course how
Speaker 2: many times we heard that. But in this part of Arkansas.
Speaker 2: Back then, there were no bears down in this area.
Speaker 2: There is now, but this was, you know, the early
Speaker 2: seventies when all this took place. And when I finally
Speaker 2: found some tracks, and I told my dad, hey, you
Speaker 2: need to come down here and see these tracks. This
Speaker 2: is what's making all that racket down there. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm just a little kid, And so finally I talked
Speaker 2: to him into going down there. And when he saw
Speaker 2: the tracks, they were about fourteen inches long because there
Speaker 2: was a lot bigger in my dad's boot because he
Speaker 2: put his boot down there beside it. But the interesting
Speaker 2: you think it only had three toes. And I've heard
Speaker 2: of different people finding three toe tracks, but it had
Speaker 2: three toes, which really knocked us both off. You know,
Speaker 2: what the heck can this be? So my daddy turned
Speaker 2: to me and he says, you know this ain't no where.
Speaker 2: He said, you need to keep out in these woods.
Speaker 2: I said, Dad, is my best squirrel hunting spot. And
Speaker 2: I said my fishing spot's over there as well, so
Speaker 2: I ain't giving up these woods. And he said, well,
Speaker 2: if you come down here in these woods, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tear your butt up. Now, my dad didn't beat us,
Speaker 2: but if we need a butt whooping, well he knew
Speaker 2: to how to distribute that to us. So what I
Speaker 2: had to do was is I would always get up
Speaker 2: with him breakfast time, especially in the summertime. I'd eat
Speaker 2: breakfast with him, and then i'd hit the woods. I'd
Speaker 2: grabbed my little zep Co thirty three and my little
Speaker 2: tackle box, my single shot twenty two. I'd always hit
Speaker 2: the woods and be gone all day. So Daddy had
Speaker 2: to work on Saturday morning. It was squirrel season, spring
Speaker 2: squirrel season. We used to have a spring squirrel season here,
Speaker 2: and I told him, I said, well, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: squirrel hunt. And I didn't tell him where I was going,
Speaker 2: but I toldt him I was going squirrel hunting. So
Speaker 2: when I got ready, I grabbed my Zepco thirty three,
Speaker 2: my tackle box, and my single shot twenty two rifle
Speaker 2: of Marlin or Stevens. It wasn't a very expensive one,
Speaker 2: and then I went. When I was heading out the door,
Speaker 2: I reached over in the there on the stove, and
Speaker 2: there's some biscuits left over from that morning's breakfast, and
Speaker 2: I grabbed some biscuits and then I went out to
Speaker 2: the back room of the house, and that's where we
Speaker 2: kept our freezers. But we killed hogs every year, you know,
Speaker 2: we poured, we went to we went to town about
Speaker 2: once a month, you know, to buy a flyer sugar coffee,
Speaker 2: you know, just the bare necessities because we grew everything
Speaker 2: on this farm. And so there was five gallon buckets
Speaker 2: full of hogs, skins and cracklings. So I stuffed them
Speaker 2: biscuits and my little squirrel best and then I put
Speaker 2: some cracklings off in my pocket and I hit the woods. Well,
Speaker 2: leaving out the house, you have to get down to
Speaker 2: this place. I waited till Daddy left and I I
Speaker 2: had to walk across this big pastor that entered the
Speaker 2: woods where I usually squirrel hunted. And I noticed because
Speaker 2: there was woods to the side of me, but the
Speaker 2: big part was way up in front of me. And
Speaker 2: I was walking across this pastor, pretty close to the woods,
Speaker 2: and I noticed there was nothing happening. Now, usually you
Speaker 2: know it was misty that or not misty. It was
Speaker 2: foggy that morning, but the fog was beginning to you know, epicipate.
Speaker 2: But I noticed an uncomfortable feeling. I guess it is
Speaker 2: about the way I could put it, because the woods
Speaker 2: were all silent. There would be sometimes prior to this
Speaker 2: this morning that you know, everything shut off just like that.
Speaker 2: I mean birds nothing. Of course, I know now when
Speaker 2: that happens there's generally a large predator in the area.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that when I was getting it. Be like, wow,
Speaker 2: what happened? You know? I just going about my way
Speaker 2: once while you could, you could take a woof of uh,
Speaker 2: it smelled like urine and a real musky garbage type smell.
Speaker 2: You'd smell that air and down in there. I told
Speaker 2: my daddy about smell, and he said, no, it's just
Speaker 2: nothing but a bears. Daddy, ain't no bears down there.
Speaker 2: So I had an uneasy feeling that morning in my stomach.
Speaker 2: I couldn't put my finger on it. There was just
Speaker 2: something that wouldn't off. There was something that was off.
Speaker 2: And so I got up to the edge of the
Speaker 2: barb wire fence to get into these woods, and I
Speaker 2: cut off to the right and go down to the
Speaker 2: creek and then go all the way down the creek
Speaker 2: to the bayou where the wash Stow River backed up.
Speaker 2: And I stood there for a minute just kind of
Speaker 2: looking around because it was so quiet you could have
Speaker 2: heard a pin drop, and I mean it was just
Speaker 2: just something was out of place and I couldn't quite
Speaker 2: put my finger on it. So I started slipping of
Speaker 2: the woods, which was real easy because it was kind
Speaker 2: of like there was some good hardwood trees in there
Speaker 2: on the pine needles. You could just slip through the woods,
Speaker 2: you know. So I started easing through the woods. By
Speaker 2: this time, you know, I've got that you know, my
Speaker 2: stomach's kind of, you know, feeling a little bit queasy.
Speaker 2: So I got about halfway down there to where the
Speaker 2: creek was, and so I just kind of backed up
Speaker 2: to a pine tree and just kind of slid down
Speaker 2: and set there for a minute because I wasn't really
Speaker 2: feeling that gray. And I pulled out a biscuit and
Speaker 2: put a bunch of cracklings in there, and I was
Speaker 2: chewing on that biscuit with cracklings and a few hawkskins.
Speaker 2: So I sat there for a little bit. Now by
Speaker 2: this time, I've already got you know, six or eight squirrels.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm almost tagged out when I get to
Speaker 2: this place, and they ain't a squirrel bark, and they
Speaker 2: ain't a crow calling. There's not no blue jays. Of course,
Speaker 2: we used to have a lot of blue jay's back then.
Speaker 2: We don't have any blue jays. You know. There was
Speaker 2: noise in the woods and this was I mean you
Speaker 2: could barely hear the wind blowing. I mean it was
Speaker 2: quiet quiet. So I sat there for a little bit,
Speaker 2: kind of you know, my head's on a swivel by
Speaker 2: this time, because something's not good. And so I made
Speaker 2: my way down to the creek. Now, two weeks before this,
Speaker 2: there was a tornader come down through there and it
Speaker 2: laid over one of my favorite oak trees. I mean,
Speaker 2: this sucker was huge, huge, and it laid it over
Speaker 2: that creek. So my head's on a swivel. I'm not
Speaker 2: feeling that great because something was off. So I went
Speaker 2: on down the creek and I saw that tree had
Speaker 2: blowed over. This was a huge oak tree, and so
Speaker 2: the top of it was on my side, and then
Speaker 2: the rest of the tree was over the creek and
Speaker 2: it was just right there where it drops off into
Speaker 2: the bayou. And that was my place to fish. So
Speaker 2: I got my and my left hand, I got my
Speaker 2: tackle box and my zep Co thirty three and on
Speaker 2: my right hand. I've got my my rifle, my twenty
Speaker 2: two rifle. So I had to go around the top
Speaker 2: of that tree, you know, And so I'm still I'm
Speaker 2: still in stealth mode. I'm stealthing around, you know. I'm
Speaker 2: looking here, and you got to go up over a
Speaker 2: little bankment then the creek drop down there. So when
Speaker 2: I started getting up to that embankment, something caught my
Speaker 2: eye over here, and I'm kind of looking a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, in the tree top. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a squirrel or something. As I'm walking up this hill.
Speaker 2: When I get almost to the top of this hill,
Speaker 2: you know, I went, I just turned and looked straight
Speaker 2: in front of me, and just to the left of
Speaker 2: me is where he was standing. Now, I don't know
Speaker 2: what a big foot is. I don't know what a
Speaker 2: feral human is. I don't know what a hybrid is,
Speaker 2: and these things I've dealt with after this. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm just froze, you know, I'm just I mean, it
Speaker 2: was like it felt like a boat to light and
Speaker 2: it went through my body. Now my mind's telling me
Speaker 2: to scream, I mean telling me to run, screaming at
Speaker 2: me run, and with my free man. They were concreted
Speaker 2: to the ground. I could not move. I was just
Speaker 2: pet petrified. And he's looking at me, and I'm looking
Speaker 2: at him, and he was about as surprised as I was.
Speaker 2: My mouth was open, his mouth was open, and he
Speaker 2: was clicking his teeth, clicking his teeth like that at me.
Speaker 2: And he had one hand, his right hand. He was
Speaker 2: standing about knee deep water and his hand was in
Speaker 2: the water and he was flopping his hand like this
Speaker 2: in the water real fast. It was shooting ripples out.
Speaker 2: I could see that kind of liking my preferle because
Speaker 2: I never lost eye contact with this thing. And he
Speaker 2: reared back and let out the most powerful scream I
Speaker 2: think I've ever heard in my life. Now, I've heard
Speaker 2: decent Rascal scream. I've had a bluff charge me, I've
Speaker 2: had him do everything in the world, but nothing as
Speaker 2: powerful as this one. This one reminded me of an
Speaker 2: old cartoon when something big would be hollering at something
Speaker 2: real little, and their hair be all blowing behind them,
Speaker 2: their skin be moving and stuff. I mean this, when
Speaker 2: he screamed, it literally vibrated everything in my body. I
Speaker 2: mean everything shook, and you could feel I could literally
Speaker 2: feel that screen hitting me, and of course it being
Speaker 2: a twelve year old boy to hit my bladder and
Speaker 2: everything cut loose right there, and we sat there. I
Speaker 2: was just pacified, and we're sitting there, standing each other,
Speaker 2: and it was a very quick encounter, but it seemed
Speaker 2: like it took a man years. And he ended up
Speaker 2: reaching back with his left hand and coming across and
Speaker 2: he caught water like that and threw it up in
Speaker 2: my face. This is how how close to that encounter is.
Speaker 2: And when that water hit my face, it was like
Speaker 2: everything come back into focus because soon as I saw him.
Speaker 2: The best way I could put it is, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, I don't know if you've ever been a
Speaker 2: gun by or combat or anything like that. What happened
Speaker 2: to me was everything went tunnel vision and it was
Speaker 2: kind of like my ears. Everything went quiet in my ears,
Speaker 2: and you know, everything was totally infocused, and my adrenaline
Speaker 2: is just dumping, dumping, dumping, And when he splashed that
Speaker 2: water in my face, that's when I took off running.
Speaker 2: Now evidently I didn't know it, but I dropped my
Speaker 2: tackle box and my fishing pole instead of running, instead
Speaker 2: of walking or running around the top of that tree.
Speaker 2: I ran through it. Now, I had my twenty two
Speaker 2: in my hand all this time, but never realized it
Speaker 2: was even in my hand. I didn't even know I
Speaker 2: dropped my tackle box till I was back home. So
Speaker 2: I split through the woods, plowed through that top of
Speaker 2: that tree. You know. I had scrapes, blood running everywhere,
Speaker 2: running through the briers. When I got to the barb
Speaker 2: bar fence, I just dove through through the middle, you know,
Speaker 2: and I got all scraped up on my back and
Speaker 2: on my chest. I rolled and I hit that pasture
Speaker 2: and I ran as fast as a twelve year old
Speaker 2: kid could run. And when I got to the house,
Speaker 2: I just collapsed. I just rolled boom, knocked the breath
Speaker 2: out of me. And I'm sitting there trying to get air.
Speaker 2: And my grandpa was coming in from the from the barn.
Speaker 2: He had two cans gallon cans, ten cans of milk,
Speaker 2: so he had been out milking the cow. So when
Speaker 2: he come up to me, he said, boy, what's wrong
Speaker 2: with you? What's wrong with you? And he see I
Speaker 2: couldn't catch my breath, so he grabbed my belt in
Speaker 2: the center and pulled me up automatically. Caught my breath
Speaker 2: and I said, there's a monster down in their Grandpa, there's
Speaker 2: a monster in their woods. And he told me, he says,
Speaker 2: he says, I told you, boy, there was a haint
Speaker 2: down there. Now he called it a haint, and uh,
Speaker 2: he said, there's a haint down there. I told you
Speaker 2: that haint was. I told you not to go down there.
Speaker 2: That haint's going to take off a you. We ain't
Speaker 2: never gonna see you again. You going down there again.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I said, there's a monster down there.
Speaker 2: And what I didn't realize is my grandfather had also
Speaker 2: had bigfoot encounters throughout his life. You know, we grew
Speaker 2: up poor. He was in his early twenties, maybe late teens,
Speaker 2: and he been working since he was knee high, you know,
Speaker 2: chopping cotton and all that kind of stuff. And he
Speaker 2: was born in nineteen o two, I believe. And he
Speaker 2: said when he was an Idaho, he was a tree
Speaker 2: topper and he would he was the skinny guy that
Speaker 2: go up and cuts the tops out of these trees.
Speaker 2: This ain't chainsaw, This is crosscut sauce. And sometimes he'd
Speaker 2: have one guy on one side, him on the other
Speaker 2: and they're using this big crosscut saw to cut the
Speaker 2: tops out of the trees. Most dangerous thing and logging
Speaker 2: back then anyways, and he said he could see them
Speaker 2: watching them in the woods because he was way up
Speaker 2: in the air, you know, and these these uh he
Speaker 2: first thought there were bears running around until he got
Speaker 2: a good look. But one day one a person in
Speaker 2: his camp took a pop shot at one. He never
Speaker 2: said if they hit it or not, but that guy
Speaker 2: come back and say, hey, man, you know I saw this.
Speaker 2: This ain't no bear. I don't know what this is,
Speaker 2: you know, giant Harry monster, and and I had to
Speaker 2: shoot at it. So that night in camp, there was
Speaker 2: several of them come into camp that night once once
Speaker 2: everybody was asleep, and they literally tore that camp down.
Speaker 2: And the only only person that got hurt in that
Speaker 2: was the guy that pulled the trigger. Now tell me,
Speaker 2: nobody can't tell me that these things ain't smart at all,
Speaker 2: because I've seen them do some some far out stuff.
Speaker 2: So that was my first encounter. Of course. You know,
Speaker 2: Grandpa told Dad, I got my butt tore up. And
Speaker 2: then I told Daddy my fishing post down there, and
Speaker 2: he's like, well, go get it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: come with me. So Daddy ended up going down there
Speaker 2: and my fishing pole was laying there. The tackle box
Speaker 2: was open, and there was lures kind of scattered around,
Speaker 2: hooks and stuff, and there was some lures even gone,
Speaker 2: so I guess he went through my tackle box just
Speaker 2: kind of looking around and what not. And then you
Speaker 2: could see the tracks. Of course, nobody knew nothing about
Speaker 2: casting back then, and you could see the tracks. Daddy
Speaker 2: saw them fourteen in tracks with them three toes. He said, boy,
Speaker 2: you're in for it. So, I mean that was my
Speaker 2: first encounter and and it kind of just man, it
Speaker 2: really messed me up. I mean that was probably my
Speaker 2: first almost my first taste of PTSD, and it really
Speaker 2: shook me up. And then, uh, that.
Speaker 1: Was if I asked some questions about that encounter, super Dap,
Speaker 1: you bet awesome.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a child of that age going through
Speaker 1: something like that. Uh, it sounds like it's very very
Speaker 1: close to you. Do you have any idea from your
Speaker 1: memory of how tall it was?
Speaker 2: I must say it because it stood a tall. I
Speaker 2: mean it was above me and I was up on
Speaker 2: the bank and then the correct went down. So he
Speaker 2: was kind of above me if we were seeing eye
Speaker 2: to eye. So if I had to guess, he was
Speaker 2: probably eight foot tall, okay, and its teeth look like
Speaker 2: they were like look like horse teeth. It was big
Speaker 2: block either wasn't no canines because he was clacking his
Speaker 2: teeth at me. Kind of looked like he was kind
Speaker 2: of smiling. I don't know if that was a smile
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 1: So man, that that's really interesting. That's come up not
Speaker 1: a lot on the show, but once or twice. And
Speaker 1: I think I've had a discussion with a witness before
Speaker 1: where it makes you wonder because when you so this
Speaker 1: is all like, you know, do we know what it is? No,
Speaker 1: we don't. But if we're dealing with something that has
Speaker 1: a primate background, when you see them smile at you,
Speaker 1: that's not the same thing as when a human smiles,
Speaker 1: that means something way different. It could be a threatening thing,
Speaker 1: I believe, But how how wide across would would you
Speaker 1: say it was.
Speaker 2: This thing? He wasn't big Blockie. Now he was. He
Speaker 2: was fit, He was taught the best way I can
Speaker 2: destrive it. He looked like an NBA player. He still
Speaker 2: had muscle tongue. Now here's the kicker about it. My
Speaker 2: first encounter. I've never seen, well that I can talk
Speaker 2: on record, I've never seen uh one that looked like
Speaker 2: this one. Now, whether he was a sasquatch or a
Speaker 2: faro human, I know he had he had features like ours.
Speaker 2: Now I couldn't I could barely see his eyes because
Speaker 2: his hair was hanging down in his face and all
Speaker 2: his hair looked like he'd been rolling down in the mud,
Speaker 2: had leaves, you know, down down his arms and stuff,
Speaker 2: and then his thighs and whatnot. But he looked like
Speaker 2: an NBA player, So I would have to guess he
Speaker 2: was probably somewhere maybe around seven and a half eight
Speaker 2: foot tall. But he had nose like ours, but it
Speaker 2: was huge, you know. I couldn't see his ears because
Speaker 2: his ears hair was hanging down his ears. He had
Speaker 2: about six inch six inch hair on his arms and
Speaker 2: his legs. It was a little bear right in here
Speaker 2: in the chest area. And he had a beard and
Speaker 2: had a mustache. I wouldn't well get it at all,
Speaker 2: But this thing reminded me more of a feral human
Speaker 2: than or maybe even a hybrid instead of a bigfoot,
Speaker 2: because I've seen some, you know, and I ain't never
Speaker 2: saw a pretty bigfoot, I'm sorry, just never have. But
Speaker 2: I've never seen one that I can talk on record
Speaker 2: like this one. He loves wild, giant, wild man. All
Speaker 2: I saw was a monster.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So it sounds like from what you saw, you're
Speaker 1: definitely saying it seemed to be more male than female,
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Definitely? Yeah, he didn't have a little boobs or nothing
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Sure, when you've used NBA player a few times, and
Speaker 1: would you say, then let's well use more on the
Speaker 1: Larry Bird side or the shack size because there's muscular
Speaker 1: differences between NBA players, you know.
Speaker 2: Right, Definitely, Now he was more on shack size.
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2: He was big, but he was long and like. I
Speaker 2: mean he was real tall, but he was long and like.
Speaker 2: And now he was still big, but he looked more
Speaker 2: like if you say Shaq, it looked more like Shaq. Now,
Speaker 2: the ones I've seen over my lifetime, you know, I've
Speaker 2: seen some big has daddies. I'm talking about some King Koreos,
Speaker 2: but none of them ever looked like this one here. Now,
Speaker 2: I've seen some lanky bigfoots. I've seen some pot bettery bigfoots,
Speaker 2: you know, but that first encounter, I ain never saw
Speaker 2: one after that, like exactly like him, because his nose
Speaker 2: wasn't flat, his face wouldn't protrude or anything like that.
Speaker 2: He was just he looked like he took too much growth.
Speaker 1: Hormone that makes that makes you wonder man, that's wild.
Speaker 1: But then, I mean, you've already said that this really
Speaker 1: affected you. You got really your first taste of PTSD.
Speaker 1: When when witnesses have these encounters, it seems like that
Speaker 1: it will either put them on a road where they
Speaker 1: got to figure out what this is, or they just
Speaker 1: they get away from it and it really affects them
Speaker 1: going into the woods. Did you go down either of
Speaker 1: those trails or was your path a little different after that?
Speaker 2: I kind of went down both trails. Number one, I
Speaker 2: became scared of the dark. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: shared my story, you know, with some of my cousins
Speaker 2: and family members. Of course, I got rid of kuled
Speaker 2: made fun of you know, oh there's a bigfoot guy,
Speaker 2: you know, and it wasn't cool. It wouldn't a compliment
Speaker 2: at all. And sometimes my cousins would be like, hey,
Speaker 2: let's go Dave outside, you know, with my older brother,
Speaker 2: and they chumped me outside in the dark. Man, I
Speaker 2: would peel the paint off the wall to get back.
Speaker 2: So when the sun went down, my but was in
Speaker 2: the house, I wouldn't go back. I used to coon
Speaker 2: hunt by myself, run those river bottoms all by myself.
Speaker 2: Didn't have ner They're none, you know, Me and my
Speaker 2: two dogs, I mean, out all night popping coons out
Speaker 2: of the top of the tree. Never had a problem
Speaker 2: at all. But after that I hung up all that.
Speaker 2: But there was that something in me. Even though that
Speaker 2: was a scary encounter, something in me kind of flipped,
Speaker 2: I guess, and it was like, what is this? You know,
Speaker 2: how do I you know, where do I put this
Speaker 2: thing in? So you know, my little mind's running one
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour. And I scared the dark till
Speaker 2: I was eighteen years old. It got dark unless I
Speaker 2: was out with a bunch of friends playing in the
Speaker 2: front yard. You know, I was in the house. But
Speaker 2: I finally overcome that fear. Don't bother me now I
Speaker 2: can be out there. I've had them all around me
Speaker 2: out in the middle of the art, you know, way
Speaker 2: up those art mountains. Crazy stuff. But but that one
Speaker 2: kind of boogered me up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, was there a thing you did to get
Speaker 1: over your fear of the dark.
Speaker 2: I think it just come with time and more or
Speaker 2: less more understanding of what these things are. Because because
Speaker 2: once that happened, you know, every book I can get
Speaker 2: my hand on, you know, I read about Bigfoot, and
Speaker 2: there wasn't a whole lot of books on Bigfoot, but
Speaker 2: there were some. You know, I'd go to the libraries and
Speaker 2: check out books about Bigfoot, started reading and whatnot, finding
Speaker 2: out what these critters are, and that just kind of
Speaker 2: started to smark in me. And from that encounter, from
Speaker 2: that first encounter, you know, a lot of people say
Speaker 2: that these things mark you. I'm a firm believer in
Speaker 2: that because I I didn't have to go looking for them.
Speaker 2: They were just always there. It didn't matter where I
Speaker 2: moved in the United States. These rascals would show up
Speaker 2: in my life, you know, throughout my life, you know,
Speaker 2: and and there's always been I mean, there was some
Speaker 2: that weren't so pleasant, so to speak, but most of
Speaker 2: them have been. You know, they see you, You see them,
Speaker 2: you know, they know I'm there. I even talk to them,
Speaker 2: you know, call me crazy, but I talked to them.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not crazy.
Speaker 2: Let them know in the woods, because I know they're
Speaker 2: going to be there, especially I would going to a
Speaker 2: hot area. You know, a lot of my research area
Speaker 2: now is in southwest Arkansas, close to Louisiana and Texas,
Speaker 2: and man, there's a whole passle of them down there,
Speaker 2: which is crazy. But I got video for fotage of
Speaker 2: them thermal, lots of thermal and stuff, screams, hollers, all
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff down there that I ain't even released yet.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, so you just kind of answered. So,
Speaker 1: are is this a thing where listeners can like go
Speaker 1: to Do you have some stuff out on like a
Speaker 1: YouTube channel or a Facebook or you're just kind of
Speaker 1: getting there?
Speaker 2: This is Yeah, I'm kind of getting there, you know.
Speaker 2: I was. I was a closet bigfooter for fifty one
Speaker 2: and a half years until a buddy of mine come
Speaker 2: in here and he started way he wouldn't a buddy
Speaker 2: of mine, but he come in and introduced himself, and
Speaker 2: you know, he says, hey, man, everybody, I talk to you.
Speaker 2: He says, come down here and talk to you about bigfoot.
Speaker 2: So he said, tell me a story. So I told
Speaker 2: him the first story and then blowed away, and he's like, man,
Speaker 2: you got to tell people about this. I was like, no,
Speaker 2: not at all, I said, I've kept this stuff to myself.
Speaker 2: I go out and do my little investigations. I do
Speaker 2: my little you know, little this little of that. I've
Speaker 2: seen him all my life, and I keep it to myself.
Speaker 2: I said, I got ridly killed when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and most of my life about talking about this subject.
Speaker 2: So everybody said I was crazy, and if I come
Speaker 2: out and publicly and say that, then people are going
Speaker 2: to know that I'm crazy, and you know. So I
Speaker 2: didn't share. And then he kept coming in and I
Speaker 2: tell him another story, telling another story. Finally he contacted
Speaker 2: Mguil with Sasquatch theory, and so Miguel started talking to
Speaker 2: me about coming on his channel, and I remember the
Speaker 2: first time he called. I was like, nope, I ain't
Speaker 2: telling nobody. I'll tell you some, but I ain't telling nobody.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll talk to you, but not on their
Speaker 2: But they both stayed on me. So finally I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll share a few stories. So I did a phone
Speaker 2: interview with Miguel, and later on I went up there
Speaker 2: to Missouri then had a set down with him face
Speaker 2: to face and did an interview there and told me
Speaker 2: about some of my experiences and whatnot. So that's why
Speaker 2: it got me all into this and going public. Now,
Speaker 2: you know, going public, I've been ridiculed againt. Church don't
Speaker 2: understand anything about this.
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, if there's anyone that should understand it, it's
Speaker 1: the church. And why are Like, dude, you're a religious
Speaker 1: guy too, right, Like, why in the world is the
Speaker 1: church losing the bus? Like missing the bus on this?
Speaker 1: It gets me so riled up, dude, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what the church don't know and don't understand?
Speaker 2: They always Well, it's a datemon. You're out chasing demons. Now,
Speaker 2: you don't lost your ever loving mind you chasing demons?
Speaker 2: You know. I I believe myself these things are flesh
Speaker 2: and blood from what I've seen in all my accounters.
Speaker 2: Flesh and blood is what I mean. There is an
Speaker 2: actual entity, one of these critters looking at me or
Speaker 2: tree peeking, you know, there he is right there. I
Speaker 2: remember one time, probably the funniest thing I ever saw
Speaker 2: was the pop belly Bigfoot. Now, I don't know what
Speaker 2: this thing was thinking, but he had a big, old belly.
Speaker 2: Now he was probably maybe seven, maybe he probably used
Speaker 2: to be taller because he was an older bigfoot. He
Speaker 2: had a lot of gray standing out there about sixty
Speaker 2: yards and this is a daytime sighting, and he's kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, slumped over real hard. You can tell. You
Speaker 2: can tell he was an older, older bigfoot. And he's
Speaker 2: hiding behind a tree. This sucker is huge, but he's
Speaker 2: hiding behind a tree like this, And he was standing
Speaker 2: with that tree right up here, and you could see
Speaker 2: his big belly sticking out on the other side of
Speaker 2: that tree, and you can see his butt cheeks sticking
Speaker 2: out on the other side of that tree. And he
Speaker 2: would look around that tree like that at me, and
Speaker 2: then he would hide his eyes where he couldn't see me,
Speaker 2: and then he would look back behind here like this,
Speaker 2: around that tree, and I'm like, dude, I see you.
Speaker 2: You know, I busched it out laughing. It was just funny.
Speaker 2: It was funny. But that was back before cell phone
Speaker 2: cell phones and video stuff and whatnot. I would have
Speaker 2: loved to got that on a video on that because
Speaker 2: that was probably my most hilarious besides people running. You know,
Speaker 2: that's pretty funny too. You know, everybody want to see
Speaker 2: a big foot until the Bigfoot show was up.
Speaker 1: That's true, that is true.
Speaker 2: They scattered, Oh I want to see a big I
Speaker 2: want to see a big foot. And then when the
Speaker 2: bigfoot shows up, they run like a bunch of ice.
Speaker 1: For sure? For sure. Has there ever been a time, though,
Speaker 1: where you have wanted to skidadle like a bunch of
Speaker 1: mice because it got so intense?
Speaker 2: Or oh yeah, yeah, I know when to back Alburt Woods,
Speaker 2: you know, I know when I've pushed it too far.
Speaker 2: One incident that happened south central Arkansas is Big Eddy
Speaker 2: when I dubbed his name Big Eddie. Now I'm intervening
Speaker 2: with this clan for probably about six years, had a
Speaker 2: gifting spot. I mean it was just it was just
Speaker 2: wild wild. I had them all around me that I
Speaker 2: could see. And that was one night I can get
Speaker 2: into that story a little bit, when I was out
Speaker 2: there fishing. But Big Eddie he never showed none of
Speaker 2: them ever showed aggression. This clan here, and there was
Speaker 2: five of them according to the eye shines. And but
Speaker 2: one day he come, I'm walking through the woods this
Speaker 2: deer season, I'm kind of just slipping through the woods,
Speaker 2: and he busts. I knew they were around, because if
Speaker 2: you've been around these cutters long enough, your body will
Speaker 2: tell you when they're around. I don't know how that works,
Speaker 2: But when one's around, I know it's around.
Speaker 1: Can you explain that.
Speaker 2: Well, It's kind of like sometimes there's an overwhelming feeling
Speaker 2: of dread. Sometimes there's a you know, you're you're like run,
Speaker 2: you know, And usually when that one takes place, I
Speaker 2: start backing out it woods, you know. I know when
Speaker 2: to back out when not to back out. But it's
Speaker 2: like the hair on my arms will stand up, hair
Speaker 2: on the back of my neck will stand up. When
Speaker 2: these critters get around me. I know when one's close.
Speaker 2: And but big Eddie, he's never showed any aggression at all.
Speaker 2: Now that one's probably he's probably pushing eleven foot tall.
Speaker 2: Now I've got a track of his. It's eighteen inches
Speaker 2: wide or eighteen inches long and about nine inches wide.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a real good track because it was in
Speaker 2: a gravel bar. But uh, he come busting out of
Speaker 2: I was in some pretty pretty thick woods down in
Speaker 2: the bottoms, and he come busting out of a clear
Speaker 2: cut that was growed up way over my head. You know,
Speaker 2: it was just grass trees, uh what I call crappy trees,
Speaker 2: ones that don't produce nothing. They're just there. And uh,
Speaker 2: he come busting out of that now he he when
Speaker 2: he busted out, I mean fast. Have you ever seen
Speaker 2: uh any videos where them them gorillas uh bluff bluff
Speaker 2: charged the glass. He looked like that. He was on
Speaker 2: all fours and he was kind of what we call
Speaker 2: here in Arkansas puppy tracking. In other words, Uh, you
Speaker 2: notice puppies when they walk their their were ends out
Speaker 2: to one side or out to the other side. It's
Speaker 2: called puppy tracking. That's what we call it. So he
Speaker 2: was puppy tracking. He was kind of not coming at
Speaker 2: me sideways, but almost sideways at an angle. You know.
Speaker 2: He was at an angle on all fours, and he
Speaker 2: come busting through that brush and was heading straight for me. Now,
Speaker 2: I've got a friend, mister Luxford. I figured I figured
Speaker 2: i'd probably die that day.
Speaker 1: He's a great guy too. If we're talking about the
Speaker 1: same guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, h, I'm sure we're talking about the same guy.
Speaker 2: But I talked to him years ago and I made
Speaker 2: him down to the Bigfoot Conference down in Louisiana, and
Speaker 2: I was like, man, you know, I've had some aggressive ones.
Speaker 2: What do you know, kind of filling him out a
Speaker 2: little bit on his take, and he's like, always stand
Speaker 2: your ground. He says, always stand your ground. And he said,
Speaker 2: if you run, it clicks that predator chase. You know,
Speaker 2: I've got two German shepherds. They love my cat, but
Speaker 2: if my cat takes off running, they run after. So
Speaker 2: all I could hear was mister Lungford in my brain,
Speaker 2: stand your ground, stand your ground, stand your ground. So
Speaker 2: I stealed my ground and just kind of you know
Speaker 2: what kind of you know, how you religious prey, one
Speaker 2: eye closed, one eye peeking, watching him come at me.
Speaker 2: And when he got probably twenty less than twenty yards
Speaker 2: from me, and he come to a screech and halt
Speaker 2: and just took and scuffed the ground. Of course, there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of leaves, dirt, limbs, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and just showered me with this stuff and just sat
Speaker 2: there and looked at me for a little bit and
Speaker 2: he turned and walked away. Now after this happened, I
Speaker 2: mean almost wept my britches. But after this, after this happened.
Speaker 2: I started talking to a few guys that I knew
Speaker 2: that that was in the bigfoot world. I've been following
Speaker 2: for a long time, and I said, this thing ain't
Speaker 2: never showed no aggression to me. Why did he show
Speaker 2: aggression to me? The only thing they could figure and
Speaker 2: it makes sense that there was a new juvenile, that
Speaker 2: there was a possibility I got too close to because
Speaker 2: he's never showed aggression before and never showed aggression afterwards,
Speaker 2: because I had encounters with him afterwards. I had encounters
Speaker 2: up till there was a fifteen foot of water come
Speaker 2: through there, and I haven't seen them back in there since.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they moved on. Of course, I
Speaker 2: hadn't been down there in a year, so yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: a little over a year. But I need to go
Speaker 2: back down there and check it out. But that was
Speaker 2: pretty scary. That made me sin. As I got home,
Speaker 2: I got online because I like building weapons, and I
Speaker 2: put together a four fifty eight so con that I
Speaker 2: wear on my plate carrier now when I go out
Speaker 2: looking for thee because some of them, some of them
Speaker 2: are I mean, you see them most encounters, it's like
Speaker 2: three to five seconds boom, you see them there gone
Speaker 2: just like that, and some encounters alone. But some of
Speaker 2: these things, even me, you know, they tend to be
Speaker 2: a little bit grouchy, either they got up on the
Speaker 2: wrong side of the bed or you know, I've seen
Speaker 2: them just growl and you know, bury their teeth at me.
Speaker 2: When they do that, then it's time to back out.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, whoa baby boy, I'm on back
Speaker 2: out of here. Now this is your house. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go the other way, so I'll just start backing out
Speaker 2: the woods.
Speaker 1: Okay. So would you say, and just to clarify for
Speaker 1: the audience, would you say then that preparation is more
Speaker 1: for your safety, like you're not going out and trying
Speaker 1: to take one out on purpose, or maybe you are.
Speaker 2: It would break my heartshoe one really good.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I would prefer to have these things protected absolutely. The
Speaker 2: government know about these things absolutely absolutely. But you know
Speaker 2: there's things out there called the NDAs, so I'm bound.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, they can be very very aggressive
Speaker 2: at times. And whoever says that these critters have never
Speaker 2: taken a human life, they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: They have a lot of idea what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing that always comes up because people
Speaker 1: would be like, well, we've never heard the stories. Well
Speaker 1: that's because there's no one left to tell the story, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I think is going on. If you're having
Speaker 1: those situations where someone gets taken out like, it's because
Speaker 1: there's no one else there to tell the story after
Speaker 1: they're gone.
Speaker 2: Right, you know. And but look at the advidence, you
Speaker 2: know the four one one politis right, you know, there's
Speaker 2: there's you know, he's got proof, but nobody will listen.
Speaker 2: That's true after that encounter when he bluff charged me
Speaker 2: like that. I've been bluff charged for, but not like this.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't go out unless I go heavy.
Speaker 2: I go with protection. You know. My first defense is
Speaker 2: a big giant can a bear spray that is on
Speaker 2: my hip. But I also carry two pistols. I carry
Speaker 2: my big knife, and I carry a four fifty eight.
Speaker 2: So con with elephant charges in there, you know, I
Speaker 2: would hate shoot one. I would want to shoot one.
Speaker 2: It breaks my heart to do that because that's not
Speaker 2: my mission. My mission is having counters with these things.
Speaker 2: Some of them are pretty cool, you know. Some of
Speaker 2: them are comical, like the fat one had the beer belly.
Speaker 2: That was my beer belly. Sasquatch, you know, are quite hilarious,
Speaker 2: you know, to see juveniles playing in the water. You know,
Speaker 2: they're just like kids playing in the water, splashing each other,
Speaker 2: you know, jumping off trees into the water. They can
Speaker 2: swim real good.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned earlier that you've seen some pretty far
Speaker 1: out things. Can are there any that you can share,
Speaker 1: maybe something you experienced during encounter that just it just
Speaker 1: really threw your mind out there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like I said, there's a lot I can't say,
Speaker 2: but it's you know, seeing the bigfoots and orbs, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, I've seen that multiple times over my life.
Speaker 2: I got videos of orbs all over the place and
Speaker 2: it was we're definitely quiet. I couldn't see the bigfoot.
Speaker 2: I knew he was there, but there was orbs, you know,
Speaker 2: and multiple people had saw that that was with me.
Speaker 2: That was just not probably an hour away from here
Speaker 2: from where I live at in Arkansas. But the the
Speaker 2: most interesting that really rocked my head was that was
Speaker 2: one I was up in the Ozark up in the
Speaker 2: ose Arts and there's another person with me. It's probably
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning. You know, we're out some heavy,
Speaker 2: heavy mountainous woods thick partially thick, and we're going down
Speaker 2: this old logging road and then we hear a tree
Speaker 2: knock bam, and the girl that I was with, was
Speaker 2: that a tree knock. I said, yeah, that's treenck and
Speaker 2: so I said, let's just get still here, let's just watch,
Speaker 2: and we picked him up on thermal. Now, this thing's
Speaker 2: probably right at eighty yards away tree peeking looking around
Speaker 2: the tree. Knew where exactly where we were. So we
Speaker 2: just kind of hunkered down and watched him, and he
Speaker 2: started going from tree to tree, getting closer to us.
Speaker 2: Now we're watching this on thermal. This sucker is lit up,
Speaker 2: and then the woods in front of us. This is
Speaker 2: the reason I prefer a thermal. It's over night vision.
Speaker 2: Night vision. Just you know, if you got brushed in
Speaker 2: front of it, you can't see through it. The thermal,
Speaker 2: you can see right through it. You can see the
Speaker 2: heat signatures. And probably twenty five thirty yards from us
Speaker 2: was the woods got pretty dense heading to this old
Speaker 2: logging road, and he walked right up to the edge
Speaker 2: of the woods. Now this sucker is probably thirty yards
Speaker 2: from us. He kind of stood there for a little
Speaker 2: bit and then he started pushing through the brush. You
Speaker 2: can hear him coming through the brush. I thought he
Speaker 2: was gonna come up and shake our hands. And he
Speaker 2: probably got ten yards, probably twenty yards from us, blazing
Speaker 2: white hot, and just like that, he disappeared. Two thermals
Speaker 2: and he disappeared completely off radar. Now I heard him
Speaker 2: come in there, I didn't hear him leave, but he
Speaker 2: shut down the thermal. I don't know how or you know,
Speaker 2: because we stood there, I mean hunger down there for
Speaker 2: a linked amount of time after he disappeared. Now how
Speaker 2: that happened, you know, that opened my mind to some
Speaker 2: possibilities of maybe going from the dimension dimension I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't see no porto or nothing like to ask,
Speaker 2: I can't say that, but I do know this. That
Speaker 2: thing was there and then he would and I heard
Speaker 2: him walk in, but I didn't hear him walk out,
Speaker 2: but he just flat disappeared. That's probably probably one of
Speaker 2: the top top ones that really, you know, baffled me.
Speaker 2: It threw me off just and here's the deal, just
Speaker 2: when I think I've got these critters it out, they'll
Speaker 2: throw me a curveball like that one. You know, most
Speaker 2: people go out there and they're just looking for big food. Oh,
Speaker 2: mister bigfoot, mister bigfood. You know, beating on trees doing
Speaker 2: some stuff. You know, it's like uh. And I think
Speaker 2: the reason most people don't see them is because they're
Speaker 2: in the trees. The best place to hide is up.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many I've got film of thermal
Speaker 2: of them being up in trees down on my research
Speaker 2: area and a new research area, but of mine's end
Speaker 2: a video and he's like, hey man, there's Bigfoot's down here.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll be there next weekend. Boom. I
Speaker 2: took off out there and stayed out there by myself.
Speaker 2: I got a big ten on top of my truck.
Speaker 2: So I went out there and camped out for three
Speaker 2: or four days. And I catch them in the trees,
Speaker 2: then catch them on the ground. They were up in
Speaker 2: the trees, and I got thermal video of all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, you tell of what it is. Because I
Speaker 2: went down there and took my boat. I got out
Speaker 2: on the water, set up some sound traps and all
Speaker 2: that kind of picture, camera camera traps and stuff. I
Speaker 2: always put camera traps around or now I've got to
Speaker 2: where I put not video around my camp at nine.
Speaker 2: That's infra. Right.
Speaker 1: Did you just have something fly above your head in
Speaker 1: your room?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 1: Okay, No, you don't have like a fan with something
Speaker 1: hanging from it or anything that was weird. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you've been on these podcasts, you know, always happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fascinating. So when I went out to Oregon, that's
Speaker 1: what they told me too. They're like, you're not looking well.
Speaker 1: First they were like, you don't realize how tall eight
Speaker 1: to ten feet tall is. So they showed me on
Speaker 1: a tree and they're like, wow, that's way taller. And
Speaker 1: then they're like, you need to look up in the
Speaker 1: trees because, like you said, they usually are up in
Speaker 1: the trees and no one looks up. Everyone's looking down
Speaker 1: at the ground. So it's it's totally totally true the trees. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: You mentioned something that could make for an interesting conversation
Speaker 1: because I I have I think I might know what
Speaker 1: you're saying. But uh so you mentioned that you're unable
Speaker 1: to share about some things. Are there certain reasons that
Speaker 1: you're unable to share about some things that are related
Speaker 1: to the Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Yes, there is. I'll talk to you about it, okay.
Speaker 1: But well, and I'm not saying to to to like
Speaker 1: throw out the stories that you don't want to share,
Speaker 1: because like I'm not going to push for that. But
Speaker 1: like I've noticed that sometimes with certain witnesses they are
Speaker 1: maybe even told they can't you know, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly. Yeah, that could be a different conversation.
Speaker 2: Uh, some I know something I don't know that or
Speaker 2: how can I put it? Cryptid retrieval specialist and I'll
Speaker 2: leave it rapped here?
Speaker 1: Wow, you know you know that kind of person. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll leave it there. I've had those conversations and they
Speaker 1: cannot get out there. I know exactly what kind of
Speaker 1: stuff you're talking about. Yeah, there's some I.
Speaker 2: Believe the real absolutely. I believe the government knows about them. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, man, I've talked to current government employees
Speaker 1: that are like, maybe we'll talk in twenty years, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, way Trump's going He's going to release everything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I've been reaching out to. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say actual names of government. There's a few
Speaker 1: that could kind of be on our side because they're
Speaker 1: on similar sides and we'll leave it there. And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: can you just like send them a note and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: just throw the bigfoot stuff in there too, man, Like,
Speaker 1: why not? If we're going to do the UFO stuff,
Speaker 1: it's time for the big stuff, so throw it in there.
Speaker 2: Are UFOs real, absolutely on.
Speaker 1: Per That's where we passed that for sure.
Speaker 2: I've had a few UFO encounters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I bet, I mean once you get what
Speaker 1: man I was. I just had my first like weird
Speaker 1: lights in the woods encounter in an area down Tennessee
Speaker 1: afew a month or so ago, and that was the
Speaker 1: first time I ever experienced that but weird stuff. One
Speaker 1: thing I want to talk to you about, though, is
Speaker 1: because I think it's very interesting, is what was the
Speaker 1: first time you had some kind of communication with them?
Speaker 2: Oh boy?
Speaker 1: Or doesn't have to be the first time?
Speaker 2: I mean, I not ever encounter. Is there any communication?
Speaker 2: You know? I always talk to him when I hit
Speaker 2: the woods, you know, especially down in my area where
Speaker 2: Big Eddie was, I let him know I was in
Speaker 2: the woods. And sometimes I'll get it, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of got you know, I better get out of here.
Speaker 2: Do they have infer sound? Yeah, but I call it
Speaker 2: to ghiblis. It sounds like probably the best way I
Speaker 2: can describe it. It sounds like samuraized warriors arguing back
Speaker 2: and forth is what most of them have sound like. Now,
Speaker 2: some of them have not been all at vocal, maybe
Speaker 2: a whoop, you know, tree slap or something like that,
Speaker 2: tree knock, But as far as talking to each other, yeah.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's more like of putting your intention
Speaker 1: out there as you go to a certain area. And
Speaker 1: people would be surprised how many people do that and
Speaker 1: aren't talking about it. And I don't know why they're
Speaker 1: not talking about it.
Speaker 2: This is why these things are so incredible. You know,
Speaker 2: I deer hunt down there because it's on my hunt
Speaker 2: leaes and there's been times that I took a deer
Speaker 2: and it's down in that area where I have all
Speaker 2: my encounters with these rascals, and I'll say, hey, got
Speaker 2: a deer over here. If y'all want me to leave
Speaker 2: behind quarter, just wrap on a tree. And I was
Speaker 2: floored the first time i'd heard that. So on, oh yes, sir,
Speaker 2: And so I cut one of the hind quarters off
Speaker 2: and just left it laying there when I went back
Speaker 2: into my hunt and stand the next morning, because I
Speaker 2: like to get in my hunt and stand about an
Speaker 2: hour before daylight where I can get in there and
Speaker 2: get settled down. You know when that sun starts to
Speaker 2: come up. You know, that's when the animals are usually active.
Speaker 2: And I looked over when when sun come up, and
Speaker 2: I can look over where I carried that deer. Because
Speaker 2: I only killed sixty yards for my stand, you know,
Speaker 2: the guts had been gone through. Not all the guts
Speaker 2: were gone, but the like the heart, the liver, kidneys.
Speaker 2: Because after my hunt was over, I went over and
Speaker 2: looked about lunchtime, I went over and look and see
Speaker 2: what I was missing. But that hind quarter was gone.
Speaker 2: And that's happened on several occasions. Yeah, I got a
Speaker 2: deer down here. You got me to leave you some
Speaker 2: haanng on that tree?
Speaker 1: How quick was the response?
Speaker 2: Sometimes quick? Sometimes not so quick?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes I'll tell them, you know, got a deer down.
Speaker 2: When I'm standing at the deer and I'll start working
Speaker 2: on it, you know, gutting it out and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Then I'll hear a tree bomp. But I tell them
Speaker 2: all I mean, I'm not saying they're my friends. But
Speaker 2: there has been communication back and forth, you know, especially
Speaker 2: and I talked my language. Hey, you want me to
Speaker 2: leave you some of this deer, I will. I'll cut
Speaker 2: you off hindcore. Just bang on a tree and let
Speaker 2: me know, right. And like I said, I was floored
Speaker 2: the first time, and I was like, Okay, as soon
Speaker 2: as I got done gutting it, I just took my knife,
Speaker 2: cut a hind quarter off and left it there. Like
Speaker 2: I said, the next day, when sun come up, I
Speaker 2: could see that hind quarter was gone. But when I
Speaker 2: walked over the heart, liver, kidneys, that stuff was gone, spleen,
Speaker 2: all the organs were gone, but the guts were still there. Wow.
Speaker 2: So can you interact with these things? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, Oh no, no, you definitely can, more than
Speaker 1: people are willing to talk about it, I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had a similar situation out in Oregon last year
Speaker 1: where just being out in the woods. Uh. There we
Speaker 1: were out the group and I was off a little
Speaker 1: bit and it's just like, hey, if you're here, can
Speaker 1: you make noise? And just like half second later it's
Speaker 1: like bam would knock, and then again another would knock,
Speaker 1: and I was like right, I'm going back. And I
Speaker 1: always wondered, you know, if I had kept going in
Speaker 1: the woods, what would have happened. Who knows, But.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of I have a tendency of I'm an
Speaker 2: adrenaline junkie, and I have a tendency of pushing the
Speaker 2: envelope just just far enough, you know. And they'll they
Speaker 2: always let me know when they don't want me around,
Speaker 2: you know, even when I've been with somebody it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, me and a kid from Dallas they want
Speaker 2: We went on the bf R trip and we got
Speaker 2: all the way down on this logging road and me
Speaker 2: and this young kid and were sitting there and I'm thermaling.
Speaker 2: I heard something, so I started thermaling. And he's got
Speaker 2: night vision and he's looking night vision. Then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I was just kind of put my my
Speaker 2: deal down. I knew what there was one there, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't see it yet. And he's got this night
Speaker 2: vision and he turns that night vision up and I
Speaker 2: can see a beam of light coming out that rascal.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, what do you have? And he's like,
Speaker 2: I said, turn that thing thing off. I said, just
Speaker 2: turn it off. I said, you're giving away our position. Here,
Speaker 2: here's my thermal. Look through my thermal. Of course, I'm
Speaker 2: talking real softly to him. It's about two or three
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. I find the best time to
Speaker 2: interact with these things is between two and five thirty
Speaker 2: am is the best time, especially when it's getting hot
Speaker 2: like this. You know they're gonna be they're gonna be
Speaker 2: being down during the day. You know, they always have
Speaker 2: a centurion. There's always a lookout. This thing is a
Speaker 2: real military lie. But they'll bet down and they'll come
Speaker 2: out at night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 1: There is we learned that in Tennessee. For sure. We
Speaker 1: would always walk through center of the camp or side
Speaker 1: of the camp with the most activity, and every time
Speaker 1: we went into that part of the camp, there was
Speaker 1: a single wood knock every time someone would and that
Speaker 1: is the Tennessee cryptic camp out, which is a good
Speaker 1: thing people should look into.
Speaker 2: I find most people that I go with there and
Speaker 2: they're they're they're looking for their band about at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, I'll see you in the morning. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out here pass some funds.
Speaker 1: So someone yourself, you have years and years of experience.
Speaker 1: Let's say you are going to your research area and
Speaker 1: you've provided a little bit of this information already, but
Speaker 1: what are the things that are are you an individual
Speaker 1: where you get to the research area where you have
Speaker 1: interaction and you're you're sitting there and waiting, or what
Speaker 1: are things that you're you're doing once you get to
Speaker 1: that area.
Speaker 2: I just piddle around, you know. I take soundtraps with me. Now.
Speaker 2: I have a vest that I wear sometimes if it's
Speaker 2: a real high risk area, I'll put on my plate
Speaker 2: carrier and my ballistic helmet, pop my four fifty eight
Speaker 2: on my chest. That's just a you know, hostile areas,
Speaker 2: and there are hostile areas, but some I just take
Speaker 2: a small backpack. I put a I have a police
Speaker 2: camera on my chest that is night vision, so I
Speaker 2: put it on my chest and then I put one
Speaker 2: on the back of my backpack because you'd be surprised
Speaker 2: what slips up behind you once you pass through. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that are both infrared. They show about thirty feet in
Speaker 2: front of me and thirty feet behind me. You know,
Speaker 2: I always carry a camera up here, and then I
Speaker 2: put a soundtrap on myself. You know, I load this
Speaker 2: stuff and start this stuff with but you know, right
Speaker 2: as I I mean, as soon as I get out
Speaker 2: of the car, I put this stuff on, especially the
Speaker 2: sound because I don't know how many times I've gotten it.
Speaker 2: You know, drive down there and my pickup, and you know,
Speaker 2: as soon as I get out of the truck, they're whooping,
Speaker 2: you know, or something like that. You hear a tree
Speaker 2: knock and you can't catch it because most people miss it.
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of you know, bigfoot investigators miss it. So
Speaker 2: that's where I always carry a soundtrap. Then I have
Speaker 2: soundtraps I put out in the woods in strategic areas
Speaker 2: and whatnot. But I just get out there and peddle around.
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes I'll just sit down next to the creek,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of talk to myself, sing a little bit.
Speaker 2: I can't hold a tune in the bucket, but I
Speaker 2: find these things particularly they love southern rock music.
Speaker 1: No wow.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll you know, take my bluetooth speakers, set it
Speaker 2: next to me and put on some Southern rock and
Speaker 2: uh that's what they when they revealed their selves, all
Speaker 2: five of them. That's what I was doing down by
Speaker 2: the river. I was fishing that night, and had they sounded.
Speaker 2: They started calling like alice, but you could tell it
Speaker 2: what't no? What? No? Who now? And one was like
Speaker 2: three hundred yards this way. When I first heard it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, now I've got my German shepherd with me.
Speaker 2: I got and I have one now that take with me.
Speaker 2: She passed. She was she was a good squatch dog,
Speaker 2: probably the best squatch dog ever had. Now what she
Speaker 2: would do when they get close. She wouldn't lean. Her
Speaker 2: name was Christian. She would lean up against me, you know,
Speaker 2: because she could send them before I could sense them.
Speaker 2: And of course she'd go on point, you know, she
Speaker 2: would look around radar and she would ping where they
Speaker 2: were at, where they were at, So I would start
Speaker 2: looking in that area, whether it be they or not.
Speaker 2: You know, a thurble at night, you know, use binoculars
Speaker 2: there today, and you know, should put me on point.
Speaker 2: But and then there was another hootout that hollered back here,
Speaker 2: probably one hundred yards, and they went back and forth.
Speaker 2: And then a little bit later there's another hoodout way
Speaker 2: over here, and then there's one over here across on
Speaker 2: my side, way down the river. And then there's one
Speaker 2: over here on the other side of the river, way back,
Speaker 2: well before the night was over. It's probably about three
Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning, you know. I use another
Speaker 2: thing I would advise people use red lights. Don't use
Speaker 2: white lights. I have found in my experience, and I
Speaker 2: used white lights for a long time, but I find
Speaker 2: once you hit them with that, they'll either close their
Speaker 2: eyes or they'll retreat. With a white light, I really
Speaker 2: feel it hurts their eyes. But the red light, I
Speaker 2: never shine any light in their face at all. What
Speaker 2: I do is I scan with my red light. I
Speaker 2: got a red light up here. I can scan with
Speaker 2: my red lights and then when I see eye shine,
Speaker 2: I'll come back over here and set over here for
Speaker 2: just a little bit. And then when I scan, I'm
Speaker 2: more closer to the ground than I am where they're at.
Speaker 2: And I find using that red light, they don't retreat
Speaker 2: near as fast. I mean, I've had one stand there
Speaker 2: and iron we just had a stare off, you know,
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. But that night on
Speaker 2: the river, I had five of them all around me
Speaker 2: because I can see the eye shine because I scanned
Speaker 2: over here. Boom, there's a set of eyes there's a
Speaker 2: set of eyes over here. Now, it wasn't no owls,
Speaker 2: it wasn't no farming or nothing like that. I mean
Speaker 2: their eyes are about that big around you can definitely
Speaker 2: tell squatch, you know. I've got five of them around,
Speaker 2: three on this side of the river and two on
Speaker 2: this side of the river. And one of them boogered
Speaker 2: up my Germany shepherd when he got too close. Now
Speaker 2: I'm setting the the banks are up here, and then
Speaker 2: the river comes down like this, and then it comes
Speaker 2: up there in the day and goes down at night.
Speaker 2: So I'm down there at night. And the one on
Speaker 2: this side that got real close, I could hear him.
Speaker 2: I could hear him, actually hear him walking coming up close.
Speaker 2: And in my first thinking, you know, from training and everything,
Speaker 2: I'm in a ambush spot. This is not good. And
Speaker 2: my dog fired off, I mean hair on from the
Speaker 2: tip of her nose to the timple of her tails.
Speaker 2: Man just shot straight up and I'm like, okay, she's
Speaker 2: laying it real hard into my leg. There's one real
Speaker 2: close and he he he huffed. Have you ever heard
Speaker 2: one huff a bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I'm pretty sure I've got one recorded
Speaker 1: on video, and we didn't see.
Speaker 2: It because that was another form of communication. They yes,
Speaker 2: often it's a huff. What I call a huff's I
Speaker 2: can identify. So he huffed a couple of times, and
Speaker 2: then he grabbed a tree that was probably ten inches
Speaker 2: around and shook that tree like it was nothing, like
Speaker 2: it was just a bush. It was like ned shake
Speaker 2: it a little bit more. Of course, my Germany shepherd's
Speaker 2: about to lose her mind by that time. I got
Speaker 2: her own lace where she can't run off. And there's
Speaker 2: another thing, you know. They would always call my dog
Speaker 2: to the woods. I don't know why, but I would
Speaker 2: have to make her come out and say, now, I
Speaker 2: couldn't hear it vocally, I mean in my ears, I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear it. But she would perk up and
Speaker 2: then she just start heading toward the woods and i'd
Speaker 2: have to pull her back. No, no, no, you don't
Speaker 2: need to be around those guys. I knew what was
Speaker 2: taking place, but they would always call her, and she
Speaker 2: would always I mean, if she'd have want in the woods,
Speaker 2: she'd I don't know if they I don't think they
Speaker 2: would have heard her. But I don't know that for sure,
Speaker 2: you know, I've heard them killing animals before, but you know,
Speaker 2: calves and stuff like that. But yeah, I's spent a
Speaker 2: crazy ride, especially since since I went public, and it
Speaker 2: just like man, it's just like wow. And here's the
Speaker 2: cool thing about it is is, you know, looking at
Speaker 2: this in my faith is God has given me a
Speaker 2: platform to speak to a lot of people who are unchurched,
Speaker 2: have different beliefs than me. But within my talks, I
Speaker 2: always go to my faith and I'm able to plug Jesus.
Speaker 2: I'm able to plug times running out. So God has
Speaker 2: given me an awesome, awesome platform to speak to all
Speaker 2: kinds of people, not only about Bigfoot, but about Jesus,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's what I'm ab to do, tell
Speaker 2: people about Jesus. So if I can mix the two up,
Speaker 2: bring people to Christ or encouraged their faith bless God,
Speaker 2: let's get it.
Speaker 1: Out, that's fantastic. So, and to make that really clear,
Speaker 1: so' and you're not just talking about because some people
Speaker 1: when they hear that on this show, they're probably like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it's because he's talking about like maybe some people using
Speaker 1: the name of Jesus and getting the big Foot out
Speaker 1: of there. But you're saying, even maybe going deeper than
Speaker 1: that and talking, I'm guessing things like the gospel and
Speaker 1: and things like that.
Speaker 2: Usually, when I start a talk in a area that
Speaker 2: I've been invited to to speak, I did this once
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna get back to it. But I pulled
Speaker 2: up four volunteers and settlement chairs. Then I explain, try
Speaker 2: to explain to the people that most bigfoot signings are
Speaker 2: three to five seconds. You know, people always say the
Speaker 2: biggest thing I read, well, you know, all you guys,
Speaker 2: fuzzy pictures, all you gots this, this and this, and
Speaker 2: so I break that down to an encounter to the
Speaker 2: average person, most you know, statistically speaking, is three to
Speaker 2: five minutes. On an encounter. Number one, your mind is
Speaker 2: trying to register and put this thing in to perspective.
Speaker 2: What is this because that should not that. I that
Speaker 2: ain't supposed to be there. You know, I've heard about it,
Speaker 2: but that is not supposed to be there. And then
Speaker 2: I go to him and I'm like, you know this
Speaker 2: person over here, you know she's petrified. You know this
Speaker 2: guy over here on this end, he has tickled to
Speaker 2: death that he's just saw something that he's always heard
Speaker 2: about and talk about the different types of sightings and
Speaker 2: how it affects people. You know, this guy over here's
Speaker 2: gonna be traumatized the rest of his life because of
Speaker 2: this encounter. But yes, this guy's over here is you know,
Speaker 2: singing Hallelujah, and I'll tell him, you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: I don't understand why people can't believe in this because
Speaker 2: it's so simple. You know, take the Bible for instance. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's just take the Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Speaker 2: I thought there was a ringo for a long time,
Speaker 2: but I never could find it maybe at a blographer,
Speaker 2: but I Ethiopian Bible. But but you have four people
Speaker 2: with I witness to Jesus. Three of them spent three
Speaker 2: and a half years with him. The doctor Luke, you know,
Speaker 2: was there also. But you got three detailed accounts with
Speaker 2: three different or four different perspectives of that account. But
Speaker 2: yet we believe those accounts by the history because it's
Speaker 2: written down in book. So we've got the history. Not
Speaker 2: only do we have the history, then we move into
Speaker 2: the the New Testament and we find the things that
Speaker 2: Jesus practiced while he was here on earth. We believe
Speaker 2: all that it takes faith to believe in all that.
Speaker 2: And then you look at the Bigfoot world and we
Speaker 2: have thousands of videos, we have thousands of people all
Speaker 2: over the world talking about this, just like the Gospel,
Speaker 2: and people are having different accounts. It affects them differently.
Speaker 2: You know, this person over here in this chair, they
Speaker 2: saw they ident on the on the shoulders, and this
Speaker 2: one over here they ident on the eyes. You know,
Speaker 2: they homed in on those eyes. They remember those eyes,
Speaker 2: and not so much over here. And then this guy
Speaker 2: over here, you know, he sees the whole thing and
Speaker 2: he's just tickled to death that he hadn't encounter, you know,
Speaker 2: after looking for these suckers all the time. So why
Speaker 2: is it so hard? We can take the Bible, and
Speaker 2: I'm one of those guys as hardcore Bible. I believe
Speaker 2: everything in the Bible is inspired by my mat and
Speaker 2: we take that on faith that this is true. But
Speaker 2: the same in the Bigfoot world. We've got thousands of videos,
Speaker 2: We've got thousands recorded, got thousands of books on it
Speaker 2: of the same cotton picking thing, maybe just different size,
Speaker 2: different colors, and different parts of the world. Why do
Speaker 2: we think that's foolish? When there's history that makes I think.
Speaker 2: The first encounter that happened here in Arkansas was over
Speaker 2: by Memphis, and it was eighteen forty eighteen. The first
Speaker 2: documented sighting of a wild man, that's what they called
Speaker 2: them way back then, was wildman. You know how I mean,
Speaker 2: don't close your mind off to this, because this is
Speaker 2: very very true. Now, I think the bigfoots. You know.
Speaker 2: Of course everybody thinks there's all this. Only the only
Speaker 2: thing I can think is what I have encountered, what
Speaker 2: I've experienced myself. Some are good, some are bad, you know,
Speaker 2: and some are are in between. There's some short or
Speaker 2: some fat. There's some I've never seen, not a real
Speaker 2: ball headed one, you know. I've seen round heads like this.
Speaker 2: I've seen cone heads. I've seen protruded here. I've seen
Speaker 2: them with canines without canines. Now I have found this
Speaker 2: very interesting. The ones that I have experienced that were
Speaker 2: most hostile were the ones with canines. Oh wow, every time,
Speaker 2: which I believe the one with the square teeth. Now,
Speaker 2: this is just my thinking. I could be wrong. If
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, I'm mad enough to apologize that I was wrong.
Speaker 2: But I think that the one with the square teeth
Speaker 2: like the big buck horse teeth. Top ones are more docile,
Speaker 2: and I believe they're more vegetarian with the one in
Speaker 2: canines are more of meat eaters and a little bit
Speaker 2: more hostile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's extremely interesting.
Speaker 2: Which is crazy. All I know is what I've seen
Speaker 2: and heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bigfoot communities is over. The whole subject is
Speaker 1: so interesting because it's like you have a lot of
Speaker 1: inherited information. But then I mean, you have individuals like
Speaker 1: yourself actually getting out there and is there something that
Speaker 1: you have learned from interactions over the years that you
Speaker 1: wish the community knew about Bigfoot that they might not
Speaker 1: necessarily know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough one. Yeah, that was a tough one.
Speaker 2: I've never thought of that. Expect the unexpected, I guess
Speaker 2: would be the first thing. You know, never go in
Speaker 2: the woods on arm. Don't ever going on the expedition.
Speaker 2: And now now I'm not saying every Tom, Dick and
Speaker 2: Harriet should be out there with a gun because some
Speaker 2: people don't know how to. You know, when we go
Speaker 2: on investigations, I carry a long gun in my head
Speaker 2: of security. I have a head of security. He's a
Speaker 2: Marine Corps infantry guy. He knows how to have an
Speaker 2: old weapon. Also, I have a Marine Corps frontline medic
Speaker 2: that's on my team as well, and of course K
Speaker 2: which you've been interacting with talking with. These are my
Speaker 2: four main characters within our expedition, you know. So I
Speaker 2: have a field medic that if anything goes to the rise,
Speaker 2: somebody you know, stumbles, you know, breaks their ankle or
Speaker 2: something springs their ankle or something like that, we have
Speaker 2: medical on staff that can help. In my head of security,
Speaker 2: his head is always the squivel, you know. But our expeditions,
Speaker 2: I prefer people if they know and this is something
Speaker 2: that they have to talk to me personally. I want
Speaker 2: to know if they can handle that weapon. But I
Speaker 2: prefer everybody at least carry a handgun on their side.
Speaker 2: You know, don't shoot unless I tell you to shoot.
Speaker 2: And we've never had while we've been out with people. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, everybody wants see a big foot till the
Speaker 2: bigfoot shows up some people.
Speaker 1: Right and I'm there myself, like I haven't had a
Speaker 1: visual yet, and I don't know how I've responded to either.
Speaker 1: It's like you never know, right.
Speaker 2: Well, just just you know, there's nothing that our God
Speaker 2: can't do my friend, that's true. Next time he's no woods.
Speaker 2: And I do this a lot. I talk to my
Speaker 2: God a lot, and I'll just say, hey, God, I
Speaker 2: like having encounter today. So I'm going down here in
Speaker 2: these woods here, and they't never been down here, or
Speaker 2: I have been down there. I liked having encounter on
Speaker 2: these rascals. You know. I find these rascals are more
Speaker 2: docile than the dog man. The dog man, them things
Speaker 2: are off the chain. But you're talking about make your
Speaker 2: heart beat fast. That's a whole different animal, right there,
Speaker 2: A whole different cookie, but a lot different than the
Speaker 2: bigfoot world. I've only run into to a few to
Speaker 2: a few. Matter of fact, I got one on camera
Speaker 2: looking at me. He's kind of crouched down. He's looking
Speaker 2: at me through a bunch of weeds sticking up and stuff.
Speaker 2: But you can tell you can't see his face per se,
Speaker 2: but you can see the image with the canine ears
Speaker 2: and stuff. Yeah, and that wouldn't know, wouldn't no bear,
Speaker 2: wouldn't no dog, with no coyote. He just sat there
Speaker 2: and growled at me. And that's when I'm backed down
Speaker 2: the wood and I was pound Lord Jesus Now you
Speaker 2: got to keep this risk off of me. Now I'm
Speaker 2: back down the woods real quick.
Speaker 1: That the dog Man's man. That's stuff I try to
Speaker 1: I have no desire to get involved with anything like that,
Speaker 1: And I mean it could happen though if I If
Speaker 1: you go into areas like that, sometimes they just you've
Speaker 1: got big foot in dog Man and they kind of
Speaker 1: are in similar areas. And that's just the thing you
Speaker 1: have to deal with. But so you have an entire team,
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. Is it a thing where you're just
Speaker 1: going out with that team or is there times where
Speaker 1: you're taking people out there in addition to the team
Speaker 1: or both.
Speaker 2: We set up expeditions. We do one in the spring,
Speaker 2: one in the fall, and we're thinking about at a
Speaker 2: third one. I don't know where we're going. Usually we
Speaker 2: go out on New Year's Eve that might end up
Speaker 2: being the third one and stand out in the woods. Now,
Speaker 2: we have a lot of people who contact us that
Speaker 2: want us to come out and investigate their land. Now,
Speaker 2: if we're doing an investigation like that, then it's usually
Speaker 2: me Ka, my head of security and his wife and
Speaker 2: the medic and his wife go out there, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's private investigation. So you know, we don't give
Speaker 2: any locations out or anything. We just go out there
Speaker 2: and see if we can, uh you know, cause a
Speaker 2: response or an encounter. Because the land landowners, like some
Speaker 2: of them, how do I say this, Some of them
Speaker 2: are quite scared and oh yeah, they just want it gone.
Speaker 1: So it's I don't think people so yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: wish I wish listeners understood that too, because or they
Speaker 1: might all understand it. But a lot of stuff where
Speaker 1: I'm talking to people doesn't even make it to the show.
Speaker 1: And it's just me talking to people like I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do on freaked out and they're just
Speaker 1: freaked out of their mind. And that's that's understandable because
Speaker 1: they got someone something beaten on their house. Us are
Speaker 1: trying to get inside, and it's just things can get
Speaker 1: really really scary really quick.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh it can't it can these critters. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've I've been challenged a lot over my life where
Speaker 2: they be man or beast and uh uh and some
Speaker 2: of it is real challenged, but in every every every
Speaker 2: encounter is excitable. You know, some if I get the
Speaker 2: overwhelming fear or dread, you know, I'm very cautious on
Speaker 2: that one too, But like when I was a twelve
Speaker 2: year old kid, you know, I freak plumb out, you
Speaker 2: know with that one. And that's generally what people do
Speaker 2: when they're coming up slapping their house, you know, they
Speaker 2: got chickens, come up missing, goats, you know, cats, dogs,
Speaker 2: you know, come up missing, and then they call us
Speaker 2: out and we'll go out there and take a look around,
Speaker 2: you know, investigate your property, and then we set up
Speaker 2: if we need to go back, you know, after we
Speaker 2: leave the property, if the landowner still has problems, then
Speaker 2: we'll we'll go back out there and help you with
Speaker 2: the problem.
Speaker 1: That's really cool, super David. This has been a fantastic conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, my goodness, I know you are starting to
Speaker 1: come out starting to write a book right now, is
Speaker 1: that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, they get that thing finished. We found
Speaker 2: a publisher, which was they contacted us, so that was cool,
Speaker 2: fair enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll be looking forward to that and let
Speaker 1: us know when that is out. I'm sure you'll reach
Speaker 1: out and then we can get the word out about that.
Speaker 1: But do you mind taking a few minutes. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious, you know, how people could reach
Speaker 1: out to you maybe if they're you know, curious about
Speaker 1: like expeditions, or if they want you to check out
Speaker 1: their property, or just how where they can hear you
Speaker 1: speak any any type of information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course there's always Facebook aka Sasquatch. They can
Speaker 2: get me on on Facebook by either putting an aka
Speaker 2: Sasquatch or super Dave. They'll see my picture YouTube, same
Speaker 2: thing a k just do a search for a Ka
Speaker 2: Sasquatchuh'll take them to our YouTube page. And then we're
Speaker 2: constantly or I'm not k is. She constantly puts out
Speaker 2: videos and puts out on the page and stuff. And
Speaker 2: what people do is they it's like we got a
Speaker 2: Fall one coming up, and I haven't decided yet where
Speaker 2: we're going to, where we're going to have the Fall expedition.
Speaker 2: You know, we've already got people signed up for that. Genterally,
Speaker 2: what they do is they can either read shot on
Speaker 2: one of these pages and DM like Ka has control
Speaker 2: over all these because she answers all the questions and stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm just real, real busy doing other things
Speaker 2: and she's real good at that. So they can send
Speaker 2: their email and we can get them on a mailing list,
Speaker 2: and we don't push, no spam, We don't ask for
Speaker 2: money or anything like that. It just lets them know
Speaker 2: where I'll be speaking, how the book's coming, when the
Speaker 2: next expedition is coming up, you know, whatever I'm doing.
Speaker 2: She puts out there and you can get You can
Speaker 2: find her on k leaves. That's like a g with
Speaker 2: leaves at the end. You can look up her page
Speaker 2: and contact her personally because she handles all that stuff,
Speaker 2: so I'm easy to find.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic and I'm sure h it sounds like maybe
Speaker 1: in the future he might you know, be releasing video.
Speaker 1: Uh maybe maybe not, but that would be a thing
Speaker 1: where you would you would know, make sure you're following
Speaker 1: social media pages, but definitely familing.
Speaker 2: With so especially my YouTube page. I've got I've got
Speaker 2: a live time of stuff that I ain't even got,
Speaker 2: you know, I've got uh what's that camera Portland World camera?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pictures the first instant camera to ever come out.
Speaker 2: You know. Uh, there's just a ton of stuff that
Speaker 2: I haven't put out. Of course, I just come clean
Speaker 2: with it, you know, I just come out of the closet,
Speaker 2: so to speak. You know about my big foot encounters
Speaker 2: and everything. Uh. And that's the hardest part is you know,
Speaker 2: doing the podcast, doing the speaking, going out there and
Speaker 2: doing the boots to the ground. I enjoy all that
Speaker 2: so much, but when you get back, you've got you know,
Speaker 2: usually I set out five soundtraps and I wear one
Speaker 2: on my f you know, I got camera traps set
Speaker 2: out everywhere. I've got audio video and all this stuff
Speaker 2: has to be brought into a file and then you
Speaker 2: have to go through filter all this stuff. It's crazy
Speaker 2: and clip out what you want. It takes hours to
Speaker 2: put that stuff together. That's where I'm finding and the
Speaker 2: hardest part of this stuff is is being able to
Speaker 2: having the time to do all that.
Speaker 1: It really is. You almost need like someone that has
Speaker 1: all your knowledge and can look through all the stuff
Speaker 1: that you because it takes so long to go through audio.
Speaker 1: That gets me too, it's just right.
Speaker 2: But you've got to bring somebody to come along on
Speaker 2: the team that can be like a media specialist to
Speaker 2: put all that stuff together. Yeah, CA's real good about
Speaker 2: putting videos together and stuff. We don't know too much
Speaker 2: about YouTube and whatnot. We've got to figure out how
Speaker 2: to connect them all together. And we post on one
Speaker 2: post on all. I mean, there's a lot of ins
Speaker 2: and outs we still got to figure out, you know,
Speaker 2: but we're new to the game.
Speaker 1: And it's it's a learning it's a learning process for sure.
Speaker 1: But man, super Dave aka Sasquatch, what a fun conversation
Speaker 1: you have been through one side to the other. And
Speaker 1: I'll definitely be falling along to see you know when
Speaker 1: your book comes out and to see where you go next.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for hanging out on the
Speaker 1: show today with me.
Speaker 2: You bet the title of that book would be Sasquatch
Speaker 2: in your Face by the Bigfoot Preacher Awesome aka Sasquatch
Speaker 2: my closest encounter I ever had. Good another one, well,
Speaker 2: cool man, I appreciate you having me on your channel.
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