WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:01:27.280 Oh well, thats are. 2 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.560 Hell and welcome to the show. This is the Cult 3 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:53.520 of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan Jacob. Jacob. I 4 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:56.359 don't know how our good cult members around the world 5 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:58.000 are going to feel about this topic, And to be 6 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.719 completely honest, I don't know how I'm going to feel 7 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:02.799 about this topic. But let's get into it. What are 8 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:03.679 we talking about today? 9 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:06.599 All right? Right off the top before I say the 10 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:09.000 title of this episode, although everybody listening to it has 11 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:13.400 seen the title obviously, so just everybody's clear here. I 12 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.840 didn't get into this with this intention at all. Okay, 13 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:19.680 I'm gonna paint you a scene here. My kids are 14 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.040 off of school right now today and tomorrow for fall break, 15 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:25.439 and as a matter of fact, speaking a fall break. 16 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.920 Me and my son for opening weekend, right first weekend 17 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.280 of October, we went out there for a squirrel hunt. 18 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.359 We went to the old game reserve that I used 19 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.359 to hunt on as a kid, that my dad brought 20 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:37.760 me to. I was able to bring my son to 21 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:41.159 super proud Papa moment. Here's the deal. I forgot how 22 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:44.840 bad the fucking mosquitoes were in that particular neck of 23 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:48.200 the woods. Dude, I shit, you not I was thinking 24 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:50.640 about vlogging it. I was going to take a video 25 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:52.719 of all the whole experience to wake up, the drive, 26 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.519 the hunt, all the things, and I was gonna make 27 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:56.439 a YouTube videos out of that and put it on 28 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.519 the cage tonight. Right, because I haven't done anything on 29 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.599 that in a couple of weeks. Is I'm compiling a 30 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:06.120 video to explain why that is. But it's it's crazy 31 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.080 that I've had this many curve balls hit me right 32 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:09.840 as I opened it up. That's the year hinder there. 33 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.520 Jacob's not used to being a full time podcaster yet, 34 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.599 so his life he's you know, it's it's fun trying 35 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.080 to stack the legos and figure out how the castle 36 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.240 is going to look. But you know, sometimes it can 37 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:26.319 be right right, I've been in this kind of mode 38 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:30.319 for actually, I've been full full time podcasting for a 39 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:31.960 year as of this month now. 40 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:35.159 Yeah, I started October last year the rat Race a 41 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.240 year before me, which was excellent. 42 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:39.840 So it takes a little bit of time. And even 43 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:41.479 back then, we weren't doing five a week. 44 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.919 No, yeah, no, we weren't full time in it really 45 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.080 until now. But that's also because we couldn't because of 46 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.680 my work schedule and you know all of that. But anyway, 47 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.639 long story short, we didn't kill anything at the old 48 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.479 Woods that I used to hunt him. But we went 49 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.199 with my brother the next morning. My boys shot two squirrels. 50 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:03.919 Oh fucking got him. He nailed it. Uh, he outshot me. 51 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:05.919 Actually I only got one that day. He got too, 52 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:07.639 and I was like, he's like, yeah, I got more. 53 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.639 I'm like, yo, I want you to flex on me 54 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:15.479 on this type of shit. You have no idea like, Yo, brag, 55 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:20.120 brag your fucking ass off kid. Yes, Yo, super proud 56 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:21.719 Papa moment house. 57 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:22.680 How was that squirrel? 58 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:25.840 Well, I was saying, bro, we cooked it down into 59 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.319 a squirrel stew that night. As a matter of fact, 60 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:32.280 my boy was able to kill, clean and cook. He 61 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:34.039 cooked this. My brother showed them how to do it. 62 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:35.639 Don't get me wrong. My brother's a way better cook 63 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.520 than I am. That's just a fact. And they cooked 64 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.520 down this squirrel and sausage stew. Boy, that was a 65 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.840 jam up meal. I mean you you, I can't. You 66 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:50.000 cannot buy the look on that child's face. You cannot 67 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:54.000 replicate that. You can't recreate that. That was pure and 68 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:57.639 that was proper. That is wholesome, that is in keeping 69 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:02.080 with the old ways, like as eat down, historical, as 70 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.319 as manly as you want to go, whatever direction you 71 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:08.960 want to go. That moment, bro, I wouldn't trade that 72 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:10.280 moment for the fucking world. 73 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:14.159 Oh dude, eating the meat that you killed, that's like 74 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.360 as close to nature as you can get. 75 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.959 And it was delicious at that, Like it was really good. 76 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.199 How did you feel? Was that his first time killing something? 77 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:23.120 Yeah? 78 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:25.240 How did he feel whenever he actually killed it? Like 79 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:27.120 was he sad or was he stoked about it? 80 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.000 I mean he was about, like me neutral as far 81 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:31.959 as like the ending of a life. It's an animal, 82 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.079 like fuck it, you know, But as far as that goes, 83 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:36.959 like it was he felt good. It wasn't like he 84 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.360 was like super proud and like blood hungry by any means. 85 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.040 Like you know, he's definitely not a psycho. But he 86 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.519 also wasn't like sad at the animal's death, because I've 87 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.800 talked to him from a very early age that when 88 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.360 we harvest an animal, we are not just killing it 89 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:53.319 for the sake of killing it, like you see all 90 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.439 these tweety birds in the trees. We're just out here 91 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.839 to kill shit that that's that's wrong, that's incorrect. That 92 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:01.959 is disrespectful to nature. We live on this planet, you 93 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.920 know what I'm saying. It's bad form, so absolutely, and 94 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.160 I have always taught from day one that that is 95 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.560 not how we operate. If we kill it, we're eating it, 96 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:12.120 like we don't kill it unless it is for that purpose, 97 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:14.439 unless like a snake danger, these types of you know 98 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.160 what I'm saying. But so when he did this, he 99 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:20.759 knew full well, like, Yo, we're eating this like this 100 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:22.839 is dinner tonight, like it's a whole thing. And he 101 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:24.600 knew that if he only killed one, Yo, we're building 102 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.360 a fucking campfire and you're roasting on a stick, like 103 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:29.480 even if we can't make a whole stew out of it, 104 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:31.560 like you are absolutely eating this. And that was like 105 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.600 the whole point. It was great, absolutely great. 106 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:39.759 That is awesome, dude. I look forward to times like that. 107 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:42.879 My son's only two, he's just a little babe. But hopefully, 108 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.240 you know, you know, whenever you know, five, six, seven, 109 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.360 eight years down the line, whatever, whenever he's old enough, dude, 110 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.439 I look forward to that. I'm actually envious of that, 111 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:53.040 that you got to have a moment like that, my 112 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:55.399 son's just a little too small for all that shit 113 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:55.839 right now. 114 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:58.480 But well it sounds all eleven, you know what I'm saying. 115 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:00.439 I waited a good bit to bring him for a 116 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.240 couple of reasons. One the maturity aspect being able to 117 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:05.839 be quiet in the woods like and especially for an 118 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:08.720 ady d boy like I get it, that's difficult, you 119 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:09.759 know what I mean. So you have to wait for 120 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.560 them to be like mature enough, be able to hold 121 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.959 the weapon and fire it correctly. And you don't want 122 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.040 to give them a little, a little you know, give 123 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:19.040 you want to give them a proper gun. So it's 124 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.079 doesn't order of precedence to it. And honestly, I've waited 125 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:24.720 this long because I've been working so much that I've 126 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:27.759 never had the time or the place to bring him. 127 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:29.199 For years, I've been wanting to do this. 128 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:30.959 I mean, you can take a squirrel out with a 129 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:32.040 BB gun though, right. 130 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.639 Yeah, for sure, for sure, Like I mean we did 131 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:36.480 that in the woods behind my house of pellet guns 132 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.720 for forever. But it's it's not the same. It's just 133 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:41.480 it's not the same, you know. And plus he does 134 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:45.759 competition shooting for four h like real shit, So we're 135 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.519 going to be doing it. Yeah, we're gonna do it. 136 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:50.000 We're gonna do it. So I went and got him 137 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.120 a little twenty gauge, a youth model pump action twenty gauge. 138 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:55.959 It's a whole fucking thing. He could not stop racking it. 139 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.839 When we got home with it. I'm like, I get it, 140 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.079 I get it. It was unloaded. It's unloaded, everybody. I'm 141 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.199 also a shooting safety coach for It's like, trust me, 142 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:06.519 all weapons safety rules are being followed at all times. 143 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:10.079 But anyway, yeah, great weekend. But anyway, anyway, all of 144 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:13.800 that leading too today, I got all three of my babies. 145 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.560 We're chilling out the house, me working from home now 146 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.480 and they're off of school, free day of just dad time. Right, 147 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.839 So as I'm cleaning and I'm doing things, we got 148 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.879 onto Disney and they were curious about the movie Atlantis, 149 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:29.439 and they saw one. 150 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.040 Of the best Disney movies of all time. 151 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.759 You'll know what that's a true statement. That is, you 152 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:37.839 look at the writing, you look at the art, you 153 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.360 look at the plotline, you look at the double crossing. 154 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.519 Like Disney was really doing some amazing work at one 155 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:46.560 point and the NINETI killed all of it. 156 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:49.959 Yeah, the nineties was a different era, bro, because I 157 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:51.839 think that came out in probably ninety four, ninety five 158 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:53.000 something like that, right. 159 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.439 I want to say it was early two thousands. Really, 160 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.600 why do I feel like that? No, maybe ninety nine. 161 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.360 I don't know. I'm honestly not one hundred percent. Yeare 162 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:06.199 but any of the way. So we're watching the movie. 163 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.079 Jane third, two thousand and one. How about that? 164 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.360 Two thousand and one? Okay, damn? So all right, my 165 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.800 kids are asking me about Atlantis being real is because 166 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.160 they know that I do history and like that's the 167 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.879 thing that I'm a geek about. So they're asking me 168 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:23.079 what kind of reality is there behind Atlantis? And I'm like, well, 169 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:28.000 there are some, but not a lot can be verified 170 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:31.639 because of these things and these things and whatever. But 171 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.960 that kind of got me thinking because recently I heard 172 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:38.879 something about Atlantis and these arians and all of these things, 173 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:41.919 and you know what, as I was trying to explain 174 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:45.919 these things to them, I accidentally stumbled upon one article 175 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:49.960 that led to another article that led to a lot 176 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.559 more things, And I gotta say it led me to 177 00:08:54.639 --> 00:09:01.240 really question, is the theory of Atlantis racist? Like inherently 178 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:02.320 from its inception. 179 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.080 I just I don't know how that even connects to 180 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:07.320 being a racist thing. 181 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:11.279 I gotta I'm gonna break it down for you here today, sir, 182 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:16.480 because I'm not gonna lie the original intent. I never 183 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:21.360 have actually looked at Plato's words about Atlantis. I've read excerpts, 184 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:23.000 you know what I mean, from the Internet, from an 185 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:27.679 article or something. The entire book is a thirty four 186 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:32.360 minute audio book. They have multiple YouTube videos of people 187 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:35.879 reading it verbatim, and it's the same thing about much 188 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:37.240 that's ever been said about it. 189 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.000 About Plato's version of it. 190 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.720 Yeah, So, like with that being said, it led me 191 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.000 down a wild rabbit hole. And all right, so I 192 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.600 did a little light digging and I found this name 193 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:58.440 constantly popping up, a former US congressman named Ignacious Loyola Donnelly, Jonathan, 194 00:09:58.440 --> 00:09:59.960 have you ever heard of Ignacious down. 195 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:02.720 I want to say that I have. 196 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:07.120 Actually you probably have, because there's been a number of 197 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.559 people that have referenced him, right, Graham Hancock, Billy Carson, 198 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.639 Ancient Aliens, pretty much anything that the History Channel or 199 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:20.080 Discovery has put out all referenced this dude and his work. 200 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:23.600 This dude is seen as quote unquote the father of 201 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:28.279 modern Atlantean hunting. That's his basically his moniker. 202 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.320 Okay, so, and and he got the information from Plato. 203 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:33.159 How does that work? 204 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:36.200 Well, we're going to talk about that, sir, We are 205 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.080 going to talk about it. But it's like, so, who 206 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:41.080 is this dude? Who is this ignacious dude? Also his 207 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:46.600 name is Ignacious Loyola, Donnelly, Saint Ignacius of Loyola is 208 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.120 the dude that I'm always referencing with the three chords 209 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:50.240 all strom at the same time to me in the 210 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.919 Holy Trnity, his father left the Catholic Church. He named 211 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:59.960 his son Ignacious Loyola Donnelly. That it's wild. It's funny. Uh, 212 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.559 it's funny. We're gonna talk about it. Okay. So who 213 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:05.919 is this dude and what is his background? And how 214 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:08.519 did a dude in the late eighteen hundreds come by 215 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.120 all of this information? And why do the Nazis use 216 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.600 him as a source, and why do the Nwebian Nation 217 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.879 of Mores also agree with the things he says? So 218 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.000 it is it's spiraled, Jonathan and fucking spiral. We got 219 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.360 supremacists on either side of the argument. Both referencing this 220 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:30.159 dude as like a knowwher of things. So like, where 221 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:31.679 are we going here? You know what I mean? 222 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.240 Well, here's my thing. I think that there are a 223 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:41.720 lot of spiritually historic people who try and document certain things, 224 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:47.039 certain stories about Atlantis, maybe certain characters that are within Atlantis. 225 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:51.080 And you'll see that within people who act like they're 226 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.000 a little bit more spiritual than everybody else, and they 227 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.000 always have more facts on Atlantis than anybody's ever written down. 228 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:02.039 It's one of those things to where, uh, what are they called, 229 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:06.039 like the fake spiritual people? We talked about them before, right, 230 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:09.759 Charlatan's Charlatans. Yes, I think that you'll have like a 231 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:13.000 lot of Charlatans bringing up things like Atlantis, not saying 232 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.559 that Atlantis existed or it doesn't or it didn't. I 233 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.320 don't know. I mean as I just looked it up, 234 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:23.320 and the accepted if Atlantis really did exist, the accepted 235 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:27.440 time when it did existed or did exist was ninety 236 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.840 four hundred BC. So you're talking about literally like eleven 237 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.240 thousand fucking years ago, you know what I mean? 238 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:36.200 More than yes, all of that's gonna be brought up 239 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.000 for sure. The source of that, I found said maybe 240 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:42.279 ninety six hundred, but like somewhere in inside of ten 241 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.039 thousand BC, Like, so, who's. 242 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.120 Gonna fact check these people? You know what I'm saying? Like, 243 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.799 that's why it's easy to start just saying shit. 244 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.039 Like jumping the gun. You are chumping like, way to 245 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.200 the end, dude, But hold on, hold on, We're gonna 246 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.600 get there, I promise. So all that being said, Atlantis 247 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.159 has been something that has been talked for a very, 248 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.799 very long time. So when the zude Ignacious Donnelley wrote 249 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.919 this book, okay talking about Atlantis and all of these things, 250 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:13.440 this is kind of why it went the direction that 251 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:15.440 it did. But that's not the only book that he wrote. 252 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:17.679 We're going to talk about it. Here's a video real 253 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:20.519 quick to kind of talk about Ignacious. This is a 254 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.679 Hunte films. If you'll want to check them out on YouTube. 255 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:25.720 I'll give him a shout out. I disagree with a 256 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:29.799 lot of his political and socioeconomic viewpoints, but I also 257 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.960 find that his historical content is pretty relevant and pretty 258 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.320 spot on, So especially when it comes to this guy, 259 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.200 let's hear what he says about ignacious. 260 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:43.919 Donnelly on December twentieth, eighteen, sixty eight, Ignacious Donnelly wrote 261 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:45.120 in his diary that. 262 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:47.600 I'm not one of those who believes the politics is 263 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.360 a mere base struggle for place and plunder, or the 264 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:53.679 profoundest rascality and deepest purse. Always when it is so 265 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.399 to have lived as to make someone better for your having. 266 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:59.639 Lived, pretty incredible, right, That's the sort of private sincerity 267 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:00.919 can only dream of having. 268 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:01.639 A politician. 269 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:04.000 Donallly wrote that near the end of his three term 270 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:06.679 tenure in the US House of Representatives, and he was 271 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:07.960 nothing if not sincere. 272 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:08.600 But what a. 273 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:13.039 Politics have to do with Atlantis? Well, everything, it turns out. 274 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.120 Donnelly was born in Philadelphia in eighteen thirty one to 275 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.960 an Irish immigrant family. His father had abandoned Catholicism, so 276 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.759 Ignatius was educated in a public school. When he was 277 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.039 a teenager, he wrote poetry prolifically and kept a notebook 278 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.120 by his bed to jot down ideas that came to 279 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.759 him in his dreams. Donelly's youth was a bad time 280 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.159 to be Irish in America, especially in big cities of 281 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:36.799 the East. He faced discrimination from his nativist to Anglo neighbors, 282 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:40.039 many of whom clung to the anti immigrant, anti Catholic 283 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:44.120 sentiments of the Whig Party, so as Donnelly gravitated toward politics, 284 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.519 he found natural allies in the Democrats. 285 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.000 He entered public life on July. 286 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.639 Fourth, eighteen fifty five, when he gave a speech to 287 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:55.720 the Democratic Party County Assembly in Philadelphia. He blasted the 288 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.519 Whigs and the hard line know nothings and argued that 289 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:02.879 immigrants would revitalize America. The speech was a huge success. 290 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:06.080 The young man soon gained the attention of John C. Breckinridge, 291 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.840 a prominent Southern Democrat and future Vice President of the 292 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:13.720 United States. The two men briefly corresponded, and Donnelly was starstruck. 293 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:17.399 He was all set to be a rising star in 294 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.679 the Democratic Party, but, in an indication of both Donnelly's 295 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:25.039 erratic personality and the seismic political shifts of pre war America, 296 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.519 two years later, young Ignatius would be. 297 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:30.879 A die in the wool Republican. 298 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:33.159 In the meantime, though, he would get married and, like 299 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.559 many ambitious nineteenth century Americans, moved to the frontier. Donnelly 300 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:39.759 ended up on Sioux Land in Minnesota and the one 301 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.279 horse town of Nininger City. He engaged in Land speculation 302 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:45.799 for a few years until he was ruined by the 303 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:47.559 financial collapse of the Panic. 304 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:48.320 Of eighteen fifty seven. 305 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.559 Donnelly had helped build this agrarian community up from almost nothing, 306 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:56.840 but this sudden and unfortunate economic downturn forced most of 307 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.000 his clients in Nininger to pull up stakes and limp 308 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:00.639 back east. 309 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:02.799 The whole experience was incredibly disheartening. 310 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.399 Not only had attempted to create on the plains of 311 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:10.320 Minnesota the ideal Western society where farmers and small businessmen 312 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:13.840 could become prosperous simply because of the fruit of their labors, 313 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.600 unconstrained by meddlesome Eastern capital. He came to believe that 314 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:20.879 free labor was the key to creating the egalitarian utopia 315 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.240 that was promised by the Founders, and that revelation drove 316 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:27.720 him into the welcoming arms of the abolitionist movement. In 317 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:31.120 eighteen fifty nine, Donnelly wrote, laboring men of the old world, 318 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.159 you are, many of you, at the foot of the 319 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.320 latter which all mankind are compelled to climb. 320 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.919 You are clambering the wrongs which the overthrow of the 321 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:40.960 old world's aristocratic notions has left open to you which 322 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.399 party will help you up, That which stands committed to 323 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.039 the South at slavery, that which would produce and has 324 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:49.480 reduced labor to the degradation of bondage, which presents it 325 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:53.360 no destiny but shame and humidiation. Or that party which, 326 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:55.840 with no dark record in the past, with no principle, 327 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.519 but those which the Declaration of Independence as set forth 328 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:02.559 with equality, liberty, humanity for all men, strives by doing 329 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.720 the anaultable justice to the black to advance the dignity 330 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:07.799 and pro both the welfare of the white race. 331 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.160 That year, Donnelly ran for the lieutenant governorship of Minnesota 332 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:15.839 alongside Alexander Ramsay, who had been the territorial governor before statehood. 333 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.799 Buoyed by anti slavery sentiment, the pair won in a landslide, 334 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.839 presiding over the state Senate. Donnelly quickly gained a reputation 335 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.559 as a fiery orator and a passionate advocate for the 336 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.119 rights of the common man. He advocated for financial assistance 337 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:31.160 for the farmers who were affected by the Panic of 338 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:34.400 fifty seven, and during the presidential election of eighteen sixty 339 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:38.359 he tirelessly campaigned for Abraham Lincoln Donnelly was quickly making 340 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.079 his mark, to the point where Ramsey started seeing his 341 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.920 second in command as a potential rival for the governorship. 342 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.400 So in eighteen sixty two, he encouraged Donnelly to run 343 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.200 for Congress, and to run as a Republican in the 344 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.440 North during the Civil War, basically meant to a running unopposed. 345 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.119 That same year, Minnesota was racked by violence during the 346 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.359 Dakota War, a vicious conflict between white settlers and the 347 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:04.480 Sioux Nation. Companied troops out on campaign during that conflict. However, 348 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:08.319 the fact that he never saw any actual combat was 349 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:12.079 quietly left out of his official dispatches. Nonetheless, it increased 350 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:16.079 his popularity immensely among his constituents. The election one, Donnelly 351 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:18.000 moved to Washington to represent his state. 352 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:19.519 Throughout most of his. 353 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.640 Tenure in Congress, he staunchly backed the party line. During 354 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.920 the war, he supported Lincoln's every decision. With Lincoln dead 355 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:30.440 and the rebellion crushed, he gravitated toward the radical Republican 356 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:34.400 position of a harsh, punitive reconstruction. He also supported unconditional 357 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.640 civil rights for blacks and was instrumental in creating the 358 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.640 Freedman's Bureau, which assisted and protected newly freed slaves in 359 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:43.759 the post war South. But as the years went by, 360 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.640 Donnelly became increasingly disillusioned with his Republican colleagues. His time 361 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:50.880 in the halls of federal power had only increased his 362 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.759 anti elitist sentiments. At a time when the Party of 363 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:57.640 Lincoln was climbing into bed with big business. Donnelly's break 364 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.000 from the party raised the ire of another Western Republican, 365 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.240 a lie Whu Washburn of Illinois, who accused the famously 366 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:07.319 anti capitalist Donnelly of taking a cash bribe from a 367 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.640 major railroad company, which was a total lie. The bribe 368 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.799 wasn't cash, it was company stock. Ignacious vowed revenge and 369 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:18.119 took to the floor of the sacred Chamber of the 370 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.720 US House of Representatives to spew an hour long profanity 371 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.960 laced rant against Washburn, which ended like this. 372 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:28.599 If there be one character which, while blanched and spotted 373 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.599 all over, yet raves and rants and black arts like 374 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:32.519 a prostitute. 375 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:33.200 If there be. 376 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.319 One bold, bad, empty bellowing demagogue, it is the gentleman 377 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:38.480 from Illinois. 378 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:40.880 The speech backfired spectacularly. 379 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.119 Donnelly's signature invective had served him well when he had 380 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:48.720 directed it at Confederates and Democrats. Turning his vitriol on 381 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:51.799 his own allies only served to alienate them, and the 382 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.559 party didn't bother nominating him for reelection that year, so 383 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:59.079 he ran as an independent instead and split the Republican 384 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.839 vote between himself and the party's candidate, so a Democrat 385 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.160 wiped the floor with them both. Donnelly would never again 386 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:09.720 hold federal office. Though the Republican Party was done with Donnelly, 387 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:13.119 Donnelly was not done with the Republican Party. Throughout the 388 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:16.359 eighteen seventies, he tried again and again to regain political 389 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:19.920 power in Minnesota, this time running on an explicitly populist 390 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:21.119 independent platform. 391 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:22.720 He enjoyed local. 392 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.319 Popularity in his home of Dakota County and could always 393 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.720 count on the support of the hearts gravel rural farmers 394 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:31.000 in the southern part of the state, but it wasn't enough. 395 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:35.680 Donnelly's particular vision of America was an agrarian utopia defined 396 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:39.799 by small, insular communities with individual liberty cherished above all. 397 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.559 The trouble was this vision was hopelessly out of date. 398 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:48.599 Jackson and Jefferson were in the rearview, mirror their relevance 399 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.880 and receiving fast. The future of populism would be Eugene 400 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.759 Debs and Huey Long, And though Donnelly shared some ideological 401 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:01.039 ground with both of those politicians, never really had much 402 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.319 concrete policy to back his rhetoric up. Donnelly was naive, 403 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:09.599 pure and simple. The twentieth century would be urban and global, 404 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:11.559 an age of steel and concrete. 405 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:13.279 It was inevitable. 406 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:15.640 I think that Donallly came to realize this, at least 407 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:19.119 on some level, after a particularly stinging political. 408 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:20.000 Defeat in eighteen seventy eight. 409 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:24.119 I think he knew that his utopia would never come about. 410 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.440 I think he knew his dream was dead, and in 411 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:32.720 his mind the only alternative was apocalypse. America had ceased 412 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:37.000 to wear its prosperity with moderation, and now it would 413 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:40.480 pay the price. In eighteen ninety one, a biographer described 414 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:44.480 this period in Donnelly's life with suitably dystopian prose. 415 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:46.759 He'd been driven out of public life by the corrupt 416 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:50.000 power of money. His crops had been devoured by corporations 417 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.240 and grasshoppers. He was covered with debts to the islands. 418 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:56.279 Instead of taking to drink to drown his sorrows or 419 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:58.559 going out and hang himself some men would have done 420 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:02.000 under similar circumstances. He retired to the shades of Ninneker, 421 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:04.799 and there in the midst of the arctic cold and 422 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:07.960 deep snows of a very severe winter, with the sheriff 423 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.079 for the constable banging every day or two at the 424 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:13.000 door to serve a summons or an execution, he sat 425 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:16.079 quietly down to recreate the history of man before the deluge. 426 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:18.440 He wrote Atlantis. 427 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:21.640 Okay, real quick, we only have a two more minutes 428 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:23.400 left to go on this because his life's about to 429 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:27.400 kind of wrap up. But as of right now, do 430 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.000 we have a decent idea of who Ignatious Donnelly was? 431 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:31.640 Yeah, kind of a shithead. 432 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:37.240 Well, he was a politician who was very passionate about 433 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.400 what he believed in, right, and for a while there 434 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:41.440 he was seen as a great dude and people loved 435 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.559 him in DC. Eventually the money got to him and 436 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.480 his attitude and his demeanor kind of turned his contemporaries 437 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:53.599 against him. Okay, and so he kind of lost his 438 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.920 own job and then fell destitute, so to speak. Every 439 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.720 day there's another cop or a debt or deck collector 440 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.839 looking for him for some reason or to collect something. 441 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:09.680 So in that moment he sat down and wrote about atlantis. Okay, 442 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:13.160 this is he wanted to recreate the world before the 443 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:17.119 Great Flood, and this was this was his whole, his 444 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.319 whole situation and why he did this. And again, this 445 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:24.079 man is seen by many as the father of modern 446 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.400 Atlantis hunting because of this work. 447 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:30.519 So when allegedly did the Great Flood happen? I mean, 448 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:32.160 I know it was like a long ass time ago, 449 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:36.400 but is there a speculation about when exactly that happened? 450 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:39.680 There is speculation, but I couldn't. I couldn't find it 451 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.160 off top. You could search it. I one hundred percent. 452 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:46.359 I know somebody's got some. But then it's like which flood, right, 453 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:48.519 because then they say, like which ice age and all 454 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:52.319 of these things. I believe the Great Flood was. It 455 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.279 could have been hundreds of thousands of years ages for 456 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:56.720 all I know. And people say the Earth's only ten 457 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:58.200 thousand years old. I don't know. 458 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:02.079 This guy named Bishop Usher, he computed that the Earth 459 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:05.119 had been created in four thousand and four BC and 460 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.680 that the flood occurred in twenty three point fifty BC. 461 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:12.559 Well that's empirically wrong, and we're gonna talk. 462 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:17.440 About why, right right. So yeah, there's a bunch of 463 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:21.240 different narratives, Like so nobody really has it narrowed down 464 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:22.680 as far as what I'm finding here. 465 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.240 Nobody knows when, but everybody can guarantee that it happened, 466 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.880 and there's way too much evidence for that. But anyway, anyway, Okay, 467 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.640 so long story short, you're boy ignacious, he's he's feeling down, 468 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.039 and he decides to write down what was the world 469 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.000 before the flood, what was the utopia that he was 470 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.880 longing for, and all of these things. Let's go. 471 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:50.000 The Antidiluvian World was a gigantic hit, a nationwide bestseller, 472 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:54.920 and Donelly's theories took America by storm. In eighteen eighty two. 473 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.480 Atlantis was even the theme of Mardi Grass down here 474 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.279 in New Orleans, so Donallly wrote more books. There was 475 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.440 the sequel Ragnarok, which argued that Atlantean civilization had been 476 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:05.480 destroyed by an immense comet twelve. 477 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:06.039 Thousand years ago. 478 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.759 There was the Great Cryptogram, one thousand page screen which 479 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:12.400 set about to prove that Sir Francis Bacon was the 480 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:14.240 real author of the plays of Shakespeare. 481 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:17.599 And then yep, that all came from this guy too. 482 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.640 A series of novels, all of which had some pretty 483 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.359 heavy handed populist themes. Caesar's Column is a science fiction 484 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:28.000 story set in the far future of nineteen eighty eight. 485 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:33.000 It's about a working class overthrow of a brutal capitalist oligarchy. 486 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:37.400 It's probably Donnelly's best known work besides Atlantis, and he 487 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.119 predicted it would be the Uncle Tom's Cabin of the 488 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:44.640 Populist Revolution, but the revolution never came. And then there's 489 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.720 Doctor Huguet, which, oh boy, that's a piece of work. 490 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:50.799 It's basically racist freaky Friday. 491 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:54.400 So the plot is a rich white Southerner switches bodies 492 00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:55.680 with a poor black Southerner. 493 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.240 So the message is good. 494 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:00.640 The message is, oh, well, you know, why can't we 495 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:04.279 all just get along? But of course, being written in 496 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:11.200 the eighteen nineties, it's horrifically tasteless might be the most 497 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.640 generous way to describe it now. Starting in eighteen ninety two, 498 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.319 the populist movement started gaining some serious steam in the 499 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:20.160 United States for the first time, and Donnelly jumped at 500 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.079 the chance to be a part of it. He campaigned 501 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.559 for the populist presidential candidate that year, James Weaver. Weaver 502 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:28.480 did well shockingly well for a third party candidate, snagging 503 00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:33.160 four Western states, but unsurprisingly did not take the White House. 504 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:36.319 Soon after, Donnelly's wife of thirty years passed away, and 505 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.440 he found comfort in the arms was twenty one year 506 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:39.240 old secretary. 507 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.039 As as you would do that, Okay. 508 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.839 In nineteen hundred, the populists ran him on the vice 509 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:50.319 presidential ticket. That July fourth, he gave a speech in 510 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:55.160 Iowa to commemorate Independence Day. He was bumbling and slurring 511 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.880 his words. He couldn't string sentences together or finish thoughts. 512 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.519 The audience barely hear, much less understanding. Six months later 513 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:05.079 he was dead. 514 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:09.119 Okay, So, as far as our guy goes here, he 515 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.440 wrote down this book. Okay, this is this book that 516 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:18.400 pretty much has spawned into everything that has become what 517 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:23.680 we now think of the pop cultural references of Atlantis. Okay, 518 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.000 we're not talking about Plato or any of that at 519 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.319 this time. We're talking about the modern adaptation of pretty 520 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.799 much anything that you could think of about Atlantis having 521 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:36.720 these rings or the way it would look. This guy 522 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:40.240 pretty much wrote in a book, and yes, where it 523 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:41.240 comes from from. 524 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:46.799 Uh, I actually didn't know that. So how is it 525 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.759 Lantis racist as a result of this? Is it because 526 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.400 of this guy? Well, because you can, I don't know 527 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.160 if you can. I don't know if you can say 528 00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.480 that Atlantis would be fully racist if it was by 529 00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.720 this guy, because it was mentioned way before this guy. 530 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.720 Right, Well, yes, yes, but for some reason, this guy 531 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.400 is the source that everybody goes to. This is the 532 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.839 guy who's called the father of modern Atlantean hunters and 533 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:12.440 all of that. 534 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.720 There are like other people that also talk about it too, 535 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.920 Like even within the Secret Teachings for All Ages by 536 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:21.440 Manley P. Hall, he mentions Atlantis in there. There's like 537 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.119 a whole chapter on Atlantis. Now, that was a book 538 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.680 that was written in what like the sixties or seventies 539 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:27.880 or something like that, so a. 540 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.319 Little after days that by like eighty years right, right, 541 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:33.279 So that's why you have to go look at the 542 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.599 oldest sources, because the nineteen sixty that whole Manley P. 543 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:39.400 Hall thing, there is a the nw Avian nation of 544 00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:44.279 Mores also wrote their literature about the you know, thirty 545 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.000 three trillion years ago on the moon and all these things. 546 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:49.799 In the sixties they wrote that. So it's like, and 547 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.119 then you look at where they're all getting their shit from. 548 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.119 Was all derived from HP. Lovecraft, and it's a whole thing. 549 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.960 It's a whole thing. But this book itself written in 550 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.599 the eighteen eighties. Like, dude, no one was talking about 551 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:06.720 Atlantis in the eighteen hundreds, I mean, but apparently there were, Jonathan, 552 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:10.039 because he You're right, he was not the first person 553 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:11.880 to bring it up, and as a matter of fact, 554 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.440 he wasn't even the first person of that millennia to 555 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:19.000 do so. So let's go ahead and talk about our boy, Charles. 556 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:20.839 It's Tim Brescier de Borborg. 557 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:21.559 It'sien. 558 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.400 I butchered that that pronunciation. 559 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.799 Charles Etienne Brasseur de Borgborg. 560 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.599 So your boy right here. Uh, let's go ahead and 561 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:34.160 read a little bit about him. Let's also keep in 562 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.079 mind he is a Catholic priest. 563 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:42.160 Charles Etienne Brasseur de Borborg. He was born eighteen fourteen 564 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.039 died eighteen seventy four. He was a noted French writer, 565 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:50.279 an eth no grapher, a historian, archaeologist, and a Catholic priest. 566 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.720 I love how they saved that one for last. He 567 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.920 became a specialist in Mesoamerican studies, traveling extensively in the region. 568 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:01.000 His writings, publications, and recovery of historical doc coumens contributed 569 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.519 much to knowledge of the region's languages, writing, history, and culture, 570 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.920 particularly those of the Maya and Aztec civilizations. However, his 571 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:12.559 speculations concerning relationships between the ancient Maya and the lost 572 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:18.640 continent of Atlantis inspired Ignatius Donnelly and encouraged the pseudoscience 573 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:20.680 of Mayanism. 574 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.640 Okay, So let's dig into this a little bit, right. 575 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.920 So Ignacius was going off of what this dude said, 576 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.759 but he was making reference that the Maya and the 577 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:34.200 Aztecs were, as a matter of fact, the Atlanteans, if 578 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:38.200 you will, Okay. And he traveled extensively to Central America, 579 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.920 and he even decoded language. Let's read here travels and expeditions. 580 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.799 From eighteen forty eight to eighteen sixty three, he traveled 581 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.920 extensively as a missionary in many parts of Mexico and 582 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.319 Central America. During these journeys, he gave great attention to 583 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.880 meso American antiquities and became well versed in the then 584 00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.839 current theories and knowledge about the history of the region 585 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.000 and the pre Columbian civilizations whose sites and monuments remained 586 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.119 yet were little understood. Using information he had collected during 587 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.599 his time spent traveling there, as well as that compiled 588 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.440 by other scholars at the time, he published during eighteen 589 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:16.240 fifty seven eighteen fifty nine A History of the Aztec Civilization, 590 00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.720 containing what was then known or speculated from about the 591 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.799 speculated about the former kingdom, which had been conquered some 592 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.000 three hundred years previously by the Spanish conquistadors in alliance 593 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.920 with local enemies of the Aztecs. He also conducted research 594 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:38.119 into the local languages and their trans transliteration into the 595 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.759 Latin alphabet. Between eighteen sixty one and eighteen sixty four, 596 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.359 he edited and published a collection of documents in the 597 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.480 indigenous languages. In sixty four, he was an archaeologist of 598 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.720 the French military expedition in Mexico, and his resulting works 599 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.200 called Monuments. 600 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.920 Ah it looks it, will say that all of his 601 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.799 works are in French. It looks like English translations. 602 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.359 Right, I mean, if I'm going to try and translate, 603 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:09.039 it looks like ancient Monuments of Mexico. Yes, sounds about right. 604 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.799 Was published by the French government in eighteen sixty six. 605 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.240 Okay, so this guy wasn't just about reading some old 606 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.640 scrolls he found, No, dude, he made numerous expeditions to 607 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.039 the sites. He was looking at the stone etchings themselves. 608 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:29.640 He is how we even learned how to decipher the language. Okay. Now, granted, 609 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.960 it's not like he found a Rosetta stone. And later 610 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.480 we found more evidence to say that not everything that 611 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.319 he wrote down was one hundred percent correctly translated, but 612 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.839 he got damn close with like little to no information 613 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.680 just on his own, which is pretty fucking incredible, right. 614 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.480 Oh yeah, it's pretty cool feat to go out and 615 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.759 be that guy that discovers a lot of this stuff. 616 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.000 Oh dude. In the eighteen hundreds, this is pre to 617 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.000 during the American Civil War, homeboy was looking at iron temples. 618 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:02.720 That's fucking sick. 619 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.359 That's pre car in pre plane. 620 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.279 Yeah, dude, he was taking boat rides to and from 621 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:14.759 numerous times from France to Central America to do these expeditions. 622 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.160 Like Homie wasn't just talking about it, he was walking, 623 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:17.720 you know what I. 624 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:21.400 Mean big time. So the speculations concerning Atlantis, you want 625 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:21.759 to read that. 626 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.920 One absolutely Brassuur, is. 627 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.000 That how the French would say it? Possibly maybe we 628 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.720 we you should say. Anyway, he began he began to 629 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:39.240 write about Atlantis, and his publication called U grimer de 630 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.240 la longe Kish. 631 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.519 Long Story, Short Grammar and Language of that area of 632 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:46.480 eighteen sixty two. 633 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.400 Anyway, he wrote this thing in eighteen sixty two, in 634 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.920 which he expressed his belief that the lost land described 635 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:57.119 by Plato. Plato had existed with an advanced degree of 636 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.960 civilization before the beginning of civilizations in Europe and Asia. 637 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.880 He suggested that the origins of European and Persian words 638 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:09.639 could be traced to indigenous languages of the Americas, and 639 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:12.559 that the ancient cultures of the New and Old worlds 640 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.760 had been in constant communication with one another. In eighteen 641 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.679 sixty six, in that book The Ancient Monuments of Mexico. 642 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:26.119 It was published with a text by Brassour accompanied by 643 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:32.719 lavish illustrations by Jean Frederic Waldeck. Although Waldeck's depiction of 644 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:35.440 the ruins at Pallan k. 645 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.920 Palin K, Yeah, I think so were. 646 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.039 Based on firsthand knowledge, his artistic reconstructions and embellishments implied 647 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.639 a close relationship between Maya art and architecture and that 648 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:52.519 of classical antiquity in Greece and Rome. This was subsequently 649 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.159 demonstrated to be spurious, but not before Waldeck's art work 650 00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:00.079 had inspired speculations that about contact between new and and 651 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.039 Old World civilizations, specifically via the Lost Continent of Atlantis. 652 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:09.079 These speculations were reinforced by Brasaur by his own references 653 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.159 to Plato's descriptions of the culture and society of Atlantis, 654 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:16.239 which Brassor believed was continued by ancient Maya civilization in 655 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:17.039 his book. 656 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:19.559 Four Letters of Mexico. 657 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:24.920 There We Go. In this publication, Brossor made extensive parallels 658 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:28.719 between Maya and Egyptian pantheons and cosmologies, implying that they 659 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.679 all had a common source on the Lost Continent of Atlantis. 660 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.039 He developed these ideas further in his publication Something Something, 661 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.440 which represents a History of Atlantis, based on his interpretation 662 00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:47.320 of Maya myths. His writings inspired Augustus le Plongion and 663 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:52.760 also Ignacious Donnelly, whose book Atlantis the Anteduluvian World contains 664 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.360 numerous references to Bressor's scholarship. However, an academic wrote in 665 00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.000 eighteen seventy five that not a single contemporary scil accepted 666 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:06.440 Brossaur's theories about Atlantis. The combination of Brossur's interest in 667 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.400 spiritualism and these speculations about relations between the ancient Maya 668 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.920 and Atlantis provided the basis for Mayanism. 669 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.920 Now keep in mind, homeboy went on expeditions to it, right, 670 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.679 And like I said this, he was a Catholic priest 671 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.199 and he was going over here and he was finding 672 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:30.559 these things. I thought that was fascinating. So here's another 673 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:35.239 little article that I read. This one is from Qcurtis 674 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.000 dot com Quintus Curtius dot com. I'm sure that means 675 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.159 something great. It says fortress of the mind. But this 676 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.679 I found to be another good look at where he 677 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.280 came from and why he was interested in these things. 678 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.280 And it's not like he was out there trying to 679 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.400 prove anything superior about the white race. As a matter 680 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.400 of fact, he was saying that Native Americans and Mesoamericans 681 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.199 were the closest to Atlanta Tea in blood, culture and language. 682 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.840 So if anything, he was saying that they were of 683 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:08.880 a higher rung than the white man. But what would 684 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.599 be his basis for this right, let's read. 685 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.039 This looks like a lot of words that I'm going 686 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:15.599 to Butcher, I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm just 687 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:18.719 laying that out right out front. But I'll try my best. 688 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.159 We had previously discussed the career and work of Frey 689 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:28.760 Bernardino di Sahagun Argun. Another major pioneer in the study 690 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.559 of early Mexican antiquities was the intense French abbey Charles 691 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.440 etn Brassor de Borborg. Holy shit, what a name he 692 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:41.840 remains in He remains another name nearly lost to history. 693 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.159 But a good case can be made that without his 694 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.320 work we would know far less than we do about 695 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.320 the culture of old Mexico and Guatemala. Like his role 696 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:57.400 model and idol Chempaalion the anyway, his guy. His imagination 697 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.519 was fired at an early age by stories of foreign travel, 698 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.519 exotic languages, and decaying civilizations. Growing up near Dunkirk, France, 699 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.480 he soon found it too confining for his personality or tastes. 700 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:12.480 He would later say that he chose to study Mesoamerica 701 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.320 after reading an article in the Journal des Savants on 702 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.840 Palanque culture of Mexico. For a boy without family connections. 703 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.320 The only realistic way to travel and live abroad was 704 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.320 to join the Catholic clergy, which he did in eighteen 705 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.159 forty four. Soon he was off to Quebec, but the 706 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.519 brutal winners there quickly cooled his passion for the New World. 707 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.559 He preferred to be in Mexico. Who wouldn't hurt? Right, 708 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:43.320 Who fucking wouldn't, dude, And by eighteen forty seven he's 709 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.760 got he got his wish, serving in the French litigation 710 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.480 in Mexico and later as an ordinary priest in two 711 00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:49.920 small towns in Guatemala. 712 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.719 I mean, look at this stonework, dude. 713 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.159 It's pretty badass, dude. 714 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.039 And if you are just listening and you would like 715 00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.480 to see because I have a good number of visual 716 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:01.800 aids and references on this one, if you would like 717 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.880 to see them, Jonathan, tell them where they can go, 718 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:05.719 because I know they're tired of these commercials. 719 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.239 They can go to Patreon dot com slash cultive Conspiracy 720 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.360 podcast or rockfan dot com slash cultive conspiracy. 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We get it, okay, And 752 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:40.920 as I've said before, like yo, I don't have some 753 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.079 sort of premium account. When I listen to music on 754 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.400 Spotify or whatever, I got to click through the commercials too. 755 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.320 I get it. I get it. It sucks. But this 756 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.679 is how we do. This is how this works. Come 757 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.639 check us out on Patreon. It is the best way 758 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.159 to support us. It is the easiest and most direct 759 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.559 way to message us, at least me anyway, which I'm 760 00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.119 up to date on so ha. And also really, really 761 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.119 and truly look what else you got going on Tuesday 762 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:05.440 night at nine o'clock Central. 763 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.519 There's a reason why we do it Tuesday nights because 764 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.360 that ain't shit going on on Tuesday. 765 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:14.159 Nights except for that cult member family gathering dude, And 766 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.519 it's growing. We love it. Everybody gets their two cents 767 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:20.880 thrown in, everybody talks a little shit. We have a blast, 768 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.480 we really do, and Honestly, this is how we want 769 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.280 to be able to reach out and let our listeners, 770 00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.400 our cult members, whatever you want to call it. We 771 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.559 know y'all are family. Okay, we want y'all's voices to 772 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:33.559 be heard too, So come on that life. You can 773 00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.159 unmute yourself. You have a random theory you heard about 774 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:37.639 and you want to kind of shoot the shit about 775 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.679 for a minute with us, with the other cult members. 776 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.639 Come on with it, bro, let's go. 777 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:46.039 Yeah, you have the absolute chance to be that man 778 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:47.800 in the chair. So if you want to be the 779 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:51.920 man in the chair like ned to Spider Man, I mean, 780 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.039 you want to go all the way in, we're all 781 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.039 kind of ned to the Spider Man. That is the 782 00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:01.039 conspiracy web of everything. So see how I did that, 783 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:05.760 the conspiracy web Spider Man. It's beautiful how it just flows. 784 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.039 But anyway, yeah, it's a great way to be able 785 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:09.639 to support the show, and we appreciate all of you 786 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.559 that already have so anyway, so let's get back over 787 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.440 to this article you want me to start with. Even yeah, 788 00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:20.159 even with little money, he was able to indulge his 789 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:24.880 intellectual passions. He chanced upon a keish is it keish 790 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:28.559 i don't know looks like Keish anyway, He chanced upon 791 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.519 a Keish Spanish dictionary during one of his travels, and 792 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.840 in the library of the College of San Gregorio in Mexico, 793 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:39.519 he was able to locate a previously lost Najutul manuscript, 794 00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:48.000 which is now known as the Chima La pulp Baha. 795 00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.599 Chimal Pulpoca Codex. 796 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.199 There you go. By this time he was fluent in 797 00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.880 the Mayan language and was able to translate the Mayan 798 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.440 sacred scriptures into French. He was also later He would 799 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.119 also later discover another precious manuscript known as the Memorial 800 00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.960 de Solola, a lost work written in the fuck me 801 00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:16.239 these words cacchiquel cacchicol language by Francisco Hernandez Arana Jajila 802 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.159 in fifteen seventy one. And these were all significant discoveries, 803 00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.840 any of which might have earned him lasting fame in 804 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.760 the annals of Mexican antiquities, but Brassour would press on. 805 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.400 One of his most impressive feats was to finance personally 806 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:33.840 an actual performance of an old Mayan stage play when 807 00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:36.679 he heard that the Mayans of the town of Rabinal 808 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.519 Rabbinol had still preserved the knowledge of how to stage 809 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.000 one of their traditional dramas. He found a way to 810 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.280 finance the construction of the original costumes and set designs, 811 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.559 and he then had the natives perform the drama. He 812 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.880 would later say, after mass, the natives built a stage 813 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.679 under the arches of the churchyard, which very soon was 814 00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:58.760 filled with quite a multitude. A chair was prepared for 815 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.000 me on the platform to watch the performance. 816 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.480 He was French. That would have been like f zims 817 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.679 Zanita's bitestisi and uches as a chit hut. I'm just 818 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:10.679 saying I thought about that as you were saying, like, yeah, 819 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:12.840 that was a good British I was like, oh wait, yeah, 820 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:14.679 our boy Baubois is fucking French. 821 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.760 Yeah, I mean it's hard. I can't do a French 822 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:19.159 get it. 823 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:22.480 My French accent is shit. Yeah. 824 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.320 I'm not actually from Louisiana. I just lived there for 825 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:26.000 a long time. 826 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.840 So yeah, kajun French is not French. That's more like French. 827 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:30.519 You know what I'm saying. 828 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:36.199 It's that lady, some French Fries. Yeah, but with but 829 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.320 without doubt. His greatest discovery was to unearth in eighteen 830 00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:42.960 sixty two one of the lost keys of Mexican ethno 831 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:48.599 ethnography Frey Diego DeLanda's monumental. 832 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.480 Big Word Big Words meaning it's a huge work of 833 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.519 art about the Yucatan Peninsula. 834 00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.599 Relation de las Cosas de Yucatan his wellgo. This work, 835 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.199 a fascinating collection of first hand observations in researches by 836 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.920 one of the more controversial figures of early New Spain. 837 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:12.199 Was only an abridge version of the original, but there 838 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.159 was still enough to make the discovery a revolutionary advance 839 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:18.719 in the study of Mayan hieroglyphs. Very little was known 840 00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:20.760 about the Mayan glyphs at the time. In the book 841 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.599 at least gave basic information about the Mayan calendar, holidays, religion, 842 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.639 and other cultural matters. It was not a Rosetta stone, 843 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:29.880 but it was at least a place from which work 844 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:30.639 could begin. 845 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.559 So, I mean, legit, your boy was on it. 846 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.320 I mean he wasn't full of shit. He was absolutely 847 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:39.920 like a you know, a fucking discoverer of shit. 848 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.880 Absolutely, and all right, we only got like three on progress. 849 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.039 Now I'll explained not all of his claims are correct, 850 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:46.760 but we'll get there. 851 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.840 Like any great pioneer moving through lands where none have 852 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.440 trod before, he made a fair share of errors, letting 853 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.440 his imagination get the better of him. The credulous Abby 854 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.840 de Borg di Borborg connections between the Mayans and ancient 855 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.360 Egyptians where none existed. But these flights of fancy were 856 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.440 forgivable mistakes, and a man passionately devoted to his subject, 857 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.199 he would redeem himself. In eighteen sixty six, however, when 858 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.280 he discovered a precious Mayan codex now known as the 859 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:20.559 Troano Codex while on a visit to Madrid. He had 860 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.800 heard about a Mesoamerican artifact that had been purchased by 861 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:29.840 a professor named Juan de trou E or Tolano, these 862 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.159 people with long names. Examining it, he realized that at 863 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:38.239 once that it was almost unique. Only three Mayan codises 864 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:43.239 have survived. But Debrassor was not able to read the codex. 865 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:47.360 He entirely mistook its contents, seeing it seeing in it 866 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:51.599 gods and a record of natural phenomena that were not there. 867 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.559 But here at least is an appreciation for the culture 868 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.079 and a willingness to begin the laborious task of unlocking 869 00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:04.320 its secrets. R's record is, on balance, entirely positive. He 870 00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.280 devoted his life to the interests that were that was 871 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:11.159 passionately devoted to, or that he was passionately devoted to 872 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.320 and never lost sight of what he believed his life's 873 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:18.119 his life's purpose was. He was willing to endure poverty, hardship, 874 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.320 and ridicule to bring an entirely unknown pass to light. 875 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.599 If he occasionally stumbled over his own excitement, we must 876 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:29.280 smile favorably and see these sins as the forgivable consequences 877 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.599 of isolation and the lack of predecessors in this field. 878 00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.920 His work would stand as a signpost pointing the way 879 00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:39.800 for the generations of linguists and ethnographers that would come 880 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:45.920 after him. Sometimes imagination and imagination, enthusiasm, and a daring 881 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:48.119 count for a great deal in scholarship. 882 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.800 Absolutely agree. Now, I'm gonna be completely honest with you, dude. 883 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.199 I believe personally that our boy Charles, your boy Chuck, 884 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.639 should be actually named in history as the father of 885 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:08.679 modern Atlantean hunting. And by modern I mean like of 886 00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:13.440 our common era modern quote unquote, because according to the sources, 887 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.960 Atlantis was nine thousand actually accounting for the two ad 888 00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.679 here over ten thousand years ago. So as far as 889 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.679 that goes, this guy, as far as our modern era 890 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.199 is concerned, should actually be the father of it. Not 891 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.400 to mention he was a priest, so they did in 892 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.639 fact call him father. But that's neither here nor there. Well, 893 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:35.480 and I. 894 00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.079 Will say this too, as far as Atlantis goes, I 895 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:40.199 understand there's a lot of speculation, there's a lot of 896 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.719 stories that are connected with it. But dude, I mean, 897 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.480 we did an episode on the Reshot structure or rich 898 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.679 Ad or Reshot or whatever that's out in Africa, and 899 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.400 it is exactly the way that played to described it. 900 00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.000 So that leads you to wonder, It's like, if that 901 00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.559 actually is Atlantis, how did he? First of all, how 902 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.239 did he have knowledge of something that looks exactly like that? 903 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.440 I mean, I guess the dead clock is right twice 904 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:08.639 a day, but eventually like that's that's like slim to 905 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.760 none chances at describing something that nobody's ever seen before, 906 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.880 at least nobody I mean from North America. 907 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:18.440 You mean, oh, novo hold Charles wasn't describing the rings 908 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:22.159 like that. He found these ancient Mayan temples and Aztec temples, 909 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.079 He saw the pyramids, he was able to read the hieroglyphs. 910 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.199 He saw the Egyptians are using hieroglyphs. These people use hieroglyphs, 911 00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.079 are both doing pyramids, they both do sacrifices. So he 912 00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:36.639 found in his own way connections to Egypt to Mesoamerica. Therefore, 913 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:41.079 he determined that Atlantis was either connection or at least 914 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.840 a spawned point that both of those cultures derived from. 915 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.519 And I mean he was the first of our modern 916 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.719 era to boast that claim. You see what I'm saying. 917 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.880 Let me ask you, dude. So people's all throughout human 918 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.920 history there's been so much documentation of sacrifice. Right now, 919 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.320 I think about this all the time, like the idea 920 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.679 of sacrifice, Like how exactly does that work? You know 921 00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.880 what I'm saying, Like, I get it. You kill somebody, 922 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:07.639 you say that it's a fir a sacrifice for God, 923 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.880 But how does it actually work? Like in the metaphysical realm? 924 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.360 You know, scientifically, I know, and maybe it's not a 925 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:14.519 scientific thing, but like. 926 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:16.639 That's the thing you're put in science where it doesn't 927 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:17.599 go br right. 928 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.679 But at the same time, like it must have worked 929 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.119 or else why would people carry on the tradition of 930 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:25.360 doing it? Not that you know sacrifice is a tradition, 931 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:27.880 but people have carried it on through their traditions. 932 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:32.320 You know, I believe that if you knock on the door, 933 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:36.920 so to speak, something is trying to answer. I've said 934 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.440 that before. It seem like a Wuiji board, like obviously 935 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:41.679 they work, otherwise people wouldn't still play with them. And 936 00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:44.400 it's like, well, as far as that goes on the 937 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.559 side of good and evil, one side is clamoring to 938 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:49.440 get to you and the other side is waiting for 939 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:52.199 you to approach them. So it makes sense to me 940 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.360 whenever you would do a thing, an incantation, a spell, 941 00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.599 a sacrifice, a ritual, and something in the physical world 942 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:01.440 happens for you, that makes sense to me. 943 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:04.880 It's just weird to think about, you know what I'm saying, 944 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:09.719 Like how no, I know, No, I'm not saying that 945 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.480 it doesn't work, Like yeah, I mean, I dude, I 946 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.639 play with my tarot cards every day. I know that 947 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:18.039 there's something extra going on. But like, you know, it's 948 00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:20.719 just weird to think sacrifice, like who who would have 949 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.039 ever put two and two together that you killed this 950 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:24.840 man and all of a sudden you got these riches. 951 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.079 You know what I'm saying, like the first ever sacrifice 952 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.119 that they finally were like, oh shit, this is some magic. 953 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.519 You know what I'm saying, Well. 954 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.280 It depends on your source. Some people say that these 955 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:36.840 people figured it out because they were just that attuned 956 00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.679 to the land and somehow they discovered that you sacrifice 957 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.440 something's life and you get something in response to it. 958 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:44.719 There are some that say that they were being taught 959 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.039 this from the other side, right, and that's where a 960 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.679 lot of this comes from, this ancient information, this this 961 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.039 lost knowledge of how did they know this? And that 962 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.360 there are so many people that say that that came 963 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:58.679 from Atlantis. Essentially it was Atlantis is from the gods 964 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.920 that came down and it was this and it just 965 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:03.119 hold on, you know what I mean, Like, let's look 966 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.800 at the actual historical precedence to what Atlantis was supposed 967 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.840 to be. So as I'm saying this now, like I said, Charles, 968 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:13.159 your boy was a stud as far as this was concerned. Again, 969 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.599 he didn't rant and rave about Atlantis his entire career. 970 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.800 He was interested in Mesoamerica. However, he was the first 971 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.639 of this generational you know what I'm saying, of these 972 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.280 last two thousand years, at least to say that there 973 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.000 was a connection or at least mention Atlantis in an 974 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.880 actual accepted study. You see what I'm saying. 975 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.840 Yeah, and he was no like genius. I mean they 976 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.000 said that his imagination was kind of getting in the 977 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.199 way there, which I mean, to be honest, dude, if 978 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.559 you're out here discovering what could be like, you need 979 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.199 an imagination for that. You know what I'm saying. I mean, 980 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:47.199 what's gonna drive you to keep on searching. 981 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:51.079 Keep in mind, he's also the first person ever to 982 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.320 claim that a polar shift is what happened to wipe 983 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.719 them out. And yes, a polar shift, meaning on a 984 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.679 round globe model. Again, you can agree I disagree with that, 985 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.719 but at least your boy Charles thought it was around 986 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:06.079 in the eighteen hundreds. So people saying the certain books 987 00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.480 from the eighteen hundreds don't say that it's emphatically wrong. 988 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.719 You can go further back and make that claim that's possible. Well, 989 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.079 I'm eye eighteen hundreds. 990 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.599 I mean, technically a polar shift would still work on 991 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:20.360 a flat earth. It's just that there's only one pole, 992 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:21.480 being the north. 993 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:24.599 So then how would it shift from being north to north? 994 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.239 I mean, no, I'm not saying that they're gonna swap 995 00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.400 but a pole, Dude, the pole is constantly the pole 996 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:32.760 is constantly moving anyway. 997 00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:36.719 Yeah, No, it's it's kind of we weebling and wobbling 998 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:38.199 a little bit. There's a little bit of a polar 999 00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:41.119 ship like an axis shift there. But he's talking about 1000 00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.000 like we got hit by a comet and it actually 1001 00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:45.000 they shifted the poles. 1002 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.440 Oh so the south pole became the North pole. 1003 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.280 Well maybe maybe it was a quarter turn, and our 1004 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:53.320 earth is spinning in a direction that it wasn't always 1005 00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.719 supposed to. Like there's who knows, who knows. My point 1006 00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.400 is he is the first person to make a claim 1007 00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.679 that that type of situation happened, and he on a 1008 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:05.440 round earth model. He's also the one that claimed that 1009 00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.440 that that's the thing that took out Atlantis, along with 1010 00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.119 the lost continent of Mew, which maybe you've heard of, 1011 00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:17.280 were separated and sank from continental shifting. Again, plate tectonics 1012 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:20.639 were understood from a broad spectrum in the eighteen hundreds. 1013 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:25.079 But he thought that Native Americans had the closest connection 1014 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.880 to Atlantis in blood, language and culture. But again, there 1015 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:32.280 are certain things that he got wrong. Okay, he referenced 1016 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:34.800 that the quote unquote white gods that came from the 1017 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.760 sea that Cortes's men wrote about, and all of that, 1018 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:41.760 he saw some sort of evidence to back that claim. 1019 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:46.119 Even though that very very recently, like within the last 1020 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:50.079 couple of years, that whole story has been proven completely false. 1021 00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.760 Nowhere in any of their literature do they have a 1022 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:58.079 story of two gods with white skin coming in from 1023 00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.239 the sea that they should shower them with give and 1024 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.599 all these lavish goods. And that's the treatment that Cortez 1025 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:06.599 and his men received that has been proven completely incorrect. 1026 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:08.719 Are we talking I think Cortetes and his men were 1027 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:10.519 shot at when they first arrived. 1028 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:12.039 Are we talking arians here? 1029 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.119 We're going there, Okay, we're going there. 1030 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:18.760 So, because this is supposedly the story around why Hitler 1031 00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.519 came up with the idea of the white master race. 1032 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.519 We got a little bit of ways to go before 1033 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.639 we get to the Nazis. But as of now, we're 1034 00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.159 talking about boy Charles in the eighteen hundreds, right, and 1035 00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.800 he is not he was not a racist. I can 1036 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:35.320 find no evidence to show that any of his thoughts, 1037 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.880 as far as Atlantis is concerned, took away from the 1038 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.239 culture of the Mayans. If anything, he was saying that 1039 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:44.559 the Mayans had to be the ones that built all 1040 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.199 this shit. But he also said that that meant that 1041 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.920 they had to have come from Atlantean descent. So there's 1042 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.920 a thing to say that maybe that means they were 1043 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.159 incapable on their own without Atlantean descent. Meanwhile, he was saying, 1044 00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:00.039 these dudes clearly did this, so that one's kind of 1045 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.039 a weird wash as far as that's concerned. But your 1046 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.400 boy Charles was not trying to rant and rave about 1047 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.599 the superiority of the white race, that is for sure. 1048 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.320 So what we're saying is here is that the idea 1049 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:12.639 of Atlantis may and I know I'm not coming to 1050 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:16.320 a conclusion yet, but the idea would be that it eventually, 1051 00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.840 the story of Atlantis eventually evolved to turn into a 1052 00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:20.519 racist thing. 1053 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.519 We're gonna get there. We're gonna get there, brother, don't 1054 00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:26.960 you worry. The Aryan race gets brought up, and that's 1055 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.400 not the Aryan race that you're thinking of with the 1056 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:36.239 skinheads and the Nazis the true Aryan race Aliens that no, No, 1057 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.119 the the race of human beings that lived in Europe 1058 00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:41.960 at one point in time. 1059 00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:46.559 Oh, there there is allegedly an alien Aryan race where 1060 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.760 this is the whole story of Hitler and they came 1061 00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:51.400 from the North and all this shit. 1062 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.159 Yeah, so that's gonna come up later, But it's the 1063 00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:57.800 alien connection to the Aryans is not here. I'm gonna 1064 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.599 say that as well. At this. For most of this 1065 00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:03.840 people thought that Atlantis was like a lost continent of 1066 00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:08.159 Mew that when the plate tectonic shift happened and Pangaea 1067 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:12.360 became the continents, Mew was somewhere between Europe and North 1068 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:16.480 America and fell into Marianna's trench. Okay, So it's not 1069 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:19.440 like these people were thinking of this as another portal, 1070 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.480 another dimension. Space Creatures like your boy Charles didn't think 1071 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.760 that Atlantis was flying saucer people by any stretch of 1072 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.199 the imagination. He thought it was a lost civilization of 1073 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:31.960 humans that lived on Earth. 1074 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.679 Well, to be fair, he wouldn't have ever came to 1075 00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.960 that conclusion anyway, because there was flying nothing back in 1076 00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:41.320 the eighteen hundreds exactly exactly. 1077 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:43.400 So it's not like he saw UFO side and that 1078 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.960 led him to believe dot dot dot nothing of the sort. 1079 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:48.719 He was on the ground looking at the hieroglyphs and 1080 00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:52.480 trying to decipher them, and again he made some fallacies, 1081 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.800 He did some things incorrect. Keep in mind, he was 1082 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.679 going off of literally nothing to work off of, and 1083 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:02.360 now through more modern archaeology and more studies and more 1084 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:05.719 ancient things that have been found and work through, we 1085 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.480 know that he actually got a lot of it right, 1086 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:16.400 like an insane amount of his interpretations and translations were correct. 1087 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.239 There were a few fallacies that were in the mix, 1088 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.000 but again some of those we were taught in school. 1089 00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.079 If you watch the movie Road to El Dorado, the 1090 00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.239 whole white gods on the boat thing gets brought up 1091 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:31.119 again that has only recently been found to be incorrect. 1092 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:33.199 So I mean, it's not like we can really blame 1093 00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:34.920 him for what he was finding. 1094 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:37.320 Well yeah, I mean he was dude. He was riding 1095 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.760 fucking horseback in the eighteen hundreds and hot as balls Mexico. 1096 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:43.800 To come up with anything is pretty incredible. 1097 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.119 And can you keep in mind, now mid eighteen hundreds, 1098 00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:49.840 slavery was still happening, the Civil War was about to 1099 00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:51.599 be fought. Well, actually probably was being fault when he 1100 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:54.440 was on these expeditions. But beside the point for a 1101 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:59.559 Catholic priest to say that the Natives had a higher 1102 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.320 rung of blood than the white man. Did. You gotta 1103 00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:06.000 understand that was not a hot take. That was that 1104 00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.119 was not something that people wanted to hear about at 1105 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:09.960 that time. But that was his true belief that the 1106 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.119 Miyans and the Aztecs and the Native Americans all had 1107 00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:18.559 it Atlantean blood and culture and language and history. So 1108 00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.599 it's pretty fascinating. He was very countercultural. But you know, 1109 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.039 as we were talking about him, another name got mentioned earlier, 1110 00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:31.119 and he also was a believer in Atlantis before Donnelly, 1111 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.280 you've mentioned him a minute ago. August Les Plegion. Okay, 1112 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:36.880 I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen again at 1113 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.760 this time, and we're gonna learn about our boy, Augustus 1114 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.599 la Pregeon Laplanngeon plunge your. 1115 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.360 Boy, Augustus Augustus le Plngon. 1116 00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:46.960 Okay. 1117 00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.199 Anyway, he was around from eighteen twenty five to nineteen 1118 00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.480 oh eight, so a little bit well, damn, he lived 1119 00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:53.400 a pretty long life. 1120 00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:54.480 Yeah. 1121 00:59:54.559 --> 01:00:00.159 He was a British American anti antiquarian and photographer who 1122 01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:03.480 studied the pre Columbian ruins of America, particularly those of 1123 01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:07.400 the Maya civilization of the northern Ukatampa Peninsula. While his 1124 01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:12.039 writings contained many notions that there were not well received. 1125 01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:17.280 They were not well received Wikipedia dude, spell check your shit, dude, 1126 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:22.280 anyway that they were not well received by his contemporaries 1127 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:26.840 and were later disproven. Laplungian left a lasting legacy in 1128 01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.000 his photographs documenting the ancient ruins. He was one of 1129 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.920 the earliest proponents of Mayanism. 1130 01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:35.920 Okay, which I mean that's dope, don't get me wrong. 1131 01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.639 Him and his wife were photographers and they traveled to 1132 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.760 these sites to take pictures of everything. But it wasn't 1133 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:44.800 just because they were like out with their camera. They 1134 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:48.519 were taking like actual documentation, right, So, like you remember 1135 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:50.639 that picture and this wasn't them, but like to give 1136 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.559 you an idea, do you remember that famous picture of 1137 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:56.519 King Tut's tomb with the seal and the ropes and 1138 01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:58.559 the clay like it was unopened and they took that 1139 01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.880 picture like it was before the team went in. Yeah, 1140 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:05.079 that's the type of photography that this guy and his 1141 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.199 wife did. So they traveled all over the world to 1142 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.280 these dig sites, to these historical archaeological things, and like 1143 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:12.760 they were documenting this. You see what I'm saying. 1144 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:13.519 It was a photographer. 1145 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:16.239 Yeah. Absolutely, Let's go ahead into the theories. 1146 01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:20.719 By the eighteen eighties, while most mayanists accepted that the 1147 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:25.920 Mayan civilization postdated ancient Egypt, Laplungen stood by his theories. 1148 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:28.639 He cited his years of field work and studies of 1149 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:34.199 archival sources and challenged those he considered armchair archaeologists to 1150 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:38.559 debate the issues. However, as evidence mounted against cultural diffusion, 1151 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:42.400 Laplungeon became marginalized and his theories fell further outside the 1152 01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:47.719 growing mainstream of Maya archaeology. Laplungian insisted that the symbols 1153 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:51.639 of freemasonry could be traced to the ancient Maya and 1154 01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:55.480 that the ancient knowledge had come to ancient Egypt from 1155 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.320 the ancient Maya by way of Atlantis. He and Alice 1156 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:03.639 is at his wife. Yeah, He and Alice constructed an 1157 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:08.440 imaginative quote unquote history, with the Maya sites in Yucatan 1158 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.920 being the cradle of civilization, with civilization then traveling east, 1159 01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:17.719 first to Atlantis and later to ancient Egypt. The Laplungians 1160 01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.239 named kings and queens of these dynasties and said that 1161 01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:25.360 various artworks were portraits of such ancient royalty, such as 1162 01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:30.559 the famous Chok Mule, which the couple excavated at chichen Itza. 1163 01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.639 The Laplungeons reconstructed a detailed but fanciful story of Queen 1164 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:42.360 MoU and Prince co Co, in which Prince Co's death 1165 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.559 resulted in the erection of monuments in his honor. 1166 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:51.880 Okay, okay, So let's go to later career and legacy 1167 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:53.840 real quick. But you see that they brought up hyprid 1168 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:57.719 diffusion as well before Donnelly. Okay, So technically speaking, the 1169 01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:00.480 first person that I think was talking about hyprid diffusion 1170 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.519 should be the one who say to the father of 1171 01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:06.320 modern Atlantean hunting. Again, I believe it's your boy father, Charles. 1172 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:10.519 But anyway, later career and legacy of your boy Laplung Young. 1173 01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.000 What does what does hyperdiffusion mean? 1174 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:17.039 Basically saying that the culture goes and it travels like 1175 01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.159 from a cradle of civilization point same way, the Phoenician 1176 01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:23.000 language made its way around the Mediterranean, and everybody took 1177 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:24.760 it and adapted it to their own way, but it 1178 01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:28.920 all came from a route. That theory was first introduced 1179 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:32.039 by your boy father Charles as far as the Atlantean 1180 01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:35.320 Egyptian hieroglyph thing, whatsoever gotcha. 1181 01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:40.400 While most of Laplungen's contemporaries dismissed his theories, individuals such 1182 01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:47.760 as Ignacious Loyola Loyola Donnelly, and Helena Blovotsky drew upon 1183 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:51.440 Laplungen's research for their own theories. Augustus spent the remainder 1184 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.440 of his life in Brooklyn, New York, writing about the 1185 01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:57.239 connections between Maya and Egypt and defending himself against detractors. 1186 01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:01.440 Augustus Laplungen died in brook When nineteen oh eight, at 1187 01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.639 the age of eighty three. Alice followed in nineteen ten, 1188 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:09.719 at the age of fifty nine. Damn, so he was 1189 01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:10.639 a little bit older. 1190 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:13.320 In her a lot a little bit jeeu. 1191 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.280 Like thirty fucking years. A collection of the works of 1192 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:21.000 the Laplungins currently resides at the Getty Research Institute in 1193 01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:24.760 la The archive contains original records covering their travels from 1194 01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:29.039 the eighteen sixties through the nineteen hundreds, including diaries, unpublished 1195 01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:34.559 scholarly manuscripts and notes and correspondence, and extensive photographic documentation 1196 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:41.119 of ancient archeture architecture and sculpture, city views, and ethnographic studies. 1197 01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:44.639 Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. There was one more thing 1198 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.400 I wanted to bring up, because he was a member 1199 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:52.920 of a certain group, a certain society, the American Antiquarian Society. 1200 01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.000 God wish you could find it. Basically, it's an entire 1201 01:04:56.039 --> 01:05:01.320 group of academics who, while they may be in the 1202 01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:04.920 realm of pseudoscience, they are the ones who questioned it, 1203 01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:07.159 and they've been around for a long time. It's seen 1204 01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:11.639 as a who's who of the intellectual world, and it 1205 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.199 dated back to then. He as a photographer, was welcomed 1206 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:19.039 into that society. But because his views and his connections 1207 01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:22.400 to Egypt and ancient Mayan lands was what he was 1208 01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:25.199 willing to die on that hill of pretty much nobody 1209 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:28.960 would talk shit to his face. But the day he died, 1210 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:31.679 I think, actually the same day is when the first 1211 01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:35.239 articles basically saying that he was a crackpot like started rolling. 1212 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:37.280 And it actually was really bad. The body wasn't even 1213 01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.280 fucking cold when they were like ready to start shitting 1214 01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:41.599 all over this dude. He It was unjustly done in 1215 01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:45.000 my opinion. But anyway, this other article about him on 1216 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.639 Encyclopedia dot com, and it does a little bit better 1217 01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:51.119 explanation about the criticisms and all the things about it. 1218 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:59.159 Okay so. Amateur archaeologist and photographer Augustus le Plunging and 1219 01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:02.239 his wife Alice spent close to twelve years investigating Yucatan 1220 01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:08.639 sites such as Chichenitza and UKs Mal i guess Uxml, 1221 01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:12.079 Arriving in eighteen seventy three. They lived continuously at Yukatan 1222 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.559 until eighteen eighty five, recording monuments and searching for cultural 1223 01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:19.440 connections between the Maya and ancient Egypt. Although Laplungin invited 1224 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:22.880 criticism with his monogenetic theories of the Maya as the 1225 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:26.119 cradle of civilization, he was a pioneer in the systematic 1226 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:31.000 photographic documentation. More than five hundred photographs provide information about 1227 01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:35.000 the appearance of structures and objects subsequently damaged, move or destroyed. 1228 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:39.239 Taking hundreds of three dimensional photographs, he documented entire structures, 1229 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.559 such as the Governor's palace at UKs Mal. He also 1230 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:48.800 photographed miscellaneous sculptures, including a rare in situ photograph of 1231 01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:55.360 a phallix sculpture from the Nunnery Quadrangle. I'm always like 1232 01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.239 surprised that I can say words that I'm reading for 1233 01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.000 the very first time. Quadrang Yeah the fuck. 1234 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:05.920 That was also a phallic symbol at a nunnery. That's interesting, 1235 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:06.599 But all right. 1236 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:08.800 They had to give him something to fantasize about. They 1237 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:10.239 couldn't get the real thing, you know what I mean. 1238 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.039 I guess they needed a real cracks of quaddle, if 1239 01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:13.199 you know. 1240 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.559 At Chichanitza, he excavated and made cross section drawings of 1241 01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:22.159 the platform of Venus and excavated a chalk mole figure 1242 01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:26.320 from the platform of the Eagles and Jaguars. Although Laplungen's 1243 01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:32.000 theories were deemed outlandish by contemporaries Alfred Maudsley and Tobert 1244 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:36.000 Mahler and were nearly forgotten as a result, his methodical 1245 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:40.239 approach and dedication to understanding Maya culture provides scholars with 1246 01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:45.039 valuable visual and contextual information. His work also provides insight 1247 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:48.360 into the nineteenth century fascination with Mayan culture. 1248 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.559 So, like I said, this dude wasn't a big Atlantis guy, 1249 01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.000 but he did in fact believe that the continent of 1250 01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:00.400 Mew and Atlantis were the same place. And it's not 1251 01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:03.599 like there's you know, documented on document of things that 1252 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:07.519 he said. But he is another source that did go 1253 01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:11.519 down in history as talking about Atlantis prior to Ignacius 1254 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.719 Donnelly in the eighteen fifties, even though Ignatius Donnelly is 1255 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.840 the one that everyone references and is the father of 1256 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.479 it all. So just gonna make that little disclaimer. 1257 01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:25.920 Well, and also, like sources back then now they said, 1258 01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:29.439 what was the the one book that they referenced about 1259 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.680 the Cabin in the Woods or whatever? The fuck? Yeah, 1260 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:35.119 that that basically kind of took the nation by storm, 1261 01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:38.079 and the whole idea was that everybody would revolt over 1262 01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:40.640 the story of Atlantis. So maybe it was trying to 1263 01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:45.600 promote like some kind of reality in which things would 1264 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.720 change because the people would see what's possible as a 1265 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:51.960 result of like if Atlantis actually existed. And so this 1266 01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:54.039 guy may have been just trying to write on the codetails. 1267 01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:56.840 You got to think about it, like these people, you know, 1268 01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.399 at least I don't know about now, but like back 1269 01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.560 in the day, do most of the people were not 1270 01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:04.079 being very well funded, you know what I'm saying, Like 1271 01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:06.640 a lot of this research, if you didn't find something 1272 01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.479 like you're not making any money, you know, and so 1273 01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.680 maybe along the ways you you bring about stories of oh, 1274 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:14.600 you know what this is, this place's old at shit, 1275 01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:17.840 and if Atlantis existed, it would have existed right here 1276 01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:21.239 because Atlanta's oldest shit, This place's oldest shit, These people 1277 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:23.319 are old at shit, and maybe they just all connect 1278 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.239 and so that could have been the idea behind the 1279 01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:29.319 imagination of Atlantis being in the Mayan culture and stuff 1280 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:32.399 like that. See, I have never really looked into connecting 1281 01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:35.880 the Mayan culture and Aztec culture with Atlantis before, but 1282 01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:37.880 this is my first time hearing about it. 1283 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:41.319 In connection, dude, Graham Carlson and a lot of people 1284 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:44.399 make these connections pretty much. You've seen the thing what 1285 01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:45.319 I said. 1286 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.239 Graham Carlson, you got Randall Carlson and grand Hamcock. 1287 01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.119 Too bad, bad, bad, my bad. That was that was 1288 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:51.720 a funny slip of the tongue. But that was all. 1289 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:58.439 That was pretty good. But there's tons, tons of content creators, 1290 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:02.399 ourselves included, who have talked about how there's connections between 1291 01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:05.800 these lands that have pyramids, how there's certain connections with 1292 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:08.920 the gods that they worshiped, certain features, certain traits, all 1293 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.000 these things. And I mean, that's what we do we 1294 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.840 question these narratives. We are not experts in any of 1295 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:16.640 these fields, but like we bring the information to the people. 1296 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:20.600 That's what we do, right, So that's what led me 1297 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:24.159 down this crazy rabbit hole. So I gotta say, I'm 1298 01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:27.600 trying to figure out when it became racist. Right, Keep 1299 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.800 in mind, everybody that we've mentioned thus far, we got 1300 01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:34.319 Plato and anybody of the Hellenistic references, which anybody from 1301 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.279 Rome that was mentioning anything about Atlantis was referencing Plato 1302 01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:41.640 or Hellenistic reference. Okay, so it kind of goes quiet 1303 01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:43.640 for a while. The Middle Ages, we don't really hear 1304 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:46.119 a lot about Atlantis if it's mentioned at all. Again, 1305 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:50.680 it's referencing someone else's work about a work about the 1306 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:53.239 Hellenistic period. So it's like, either way you slice it 1307 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.039 all goes back to all roads lead to Rome, all 1308 01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:58.640 roads lead to Plato as far as Atlantis is concerned. 1309 01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:02.560 Until these two dudes in the eighteen and nineteen hundreds. Now, 1310 01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:05.960 neither of those dudes were racists. Well, I mean, no 1311 01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:08.520 more or less racist than your average person in the 1312 01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.159 day and age. I mean, I don't know, I'm I'm 1313 01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:13.760 sure they used the N word to refer to certain 1314 01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.319 groups of people, like I don't think you know what 1315 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:16.720 I mean. 1316 01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:19.640 Well, traveling a lot, you probably don't have slaves. 1317 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:23.840 I this was after slavery had been abolished. No, So 1318 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.039 I'm just saying, I don't believe that either of the 1319 01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:28.880 two gentlemen that we have been talking about this far 1320 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:33.119 up until ignacious Donnelly, they weren't racist, dude. They were 1321 01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:39.239 the first to talk about hyperdiffusion. But how did Atlantis 1322 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:43.479 become such a big dog whistle for the racism? When 1323 01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:46.239 did this happen? Bro? And I mean, as I'm learning 1324 01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:50.000 about Ignatius Donnelly. Okay, so he was a politician and 1325 01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:54.680 he uh kind of fell into depression and wrote a book. 1326 01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:59.359 So what when did this become a racist thing? So 1327 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:01.880 I decided to do a little looking into the book 1328 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:05.239 real quick, right, And because like, how is the same 1329 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:08.520 book referenced by the Aryan white supremacist group and the 1330 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:12.600 Nueviian nation of Mores. That makes no fucking sense to me. 1331 01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:16.159 But then as I say that both groups also reference 1332 01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:19.680 other texts that are similar, they both reference the Bible 1333 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:21.920 in other ways. You see what I'm saying. So it's like, Okay, 1334 01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:24.239 I guess when it's done a certain way, people can 1335 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:27.159 read that to take it what it means. But I'm 1336 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:31.520 gonna be honest, when you look at the book itself, 1337 01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:35.439 it's racist as fuck. Like, it's not even a little 1338 01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:38.960 bit of a joke here, Your boy ignacious had some 1339 01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:41.199 things to say about some things, So you know what, 1340 01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:43.640 I'm gonna go ahead and play this little vigia right here. 1341 01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:47.000 Well, And to be honest, like, just because certain people 1342 01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:51.159 associate themselves with something doesn't necessarily mean inherently that that 1343 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.560 subject is then a racist thing, because there are plenty 1344 01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:59.199 of people who are, Like, just to take a today's example, like, 1345 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.720 just because there may be and there probably is, racists 1346 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:05.399 that are fans of the Pittsburgh Steelers does not inherently 1347 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:07.439 make the Pittsburgh Steelers a racist organization. 1348 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:12.479 No, no, no no. But when certain individuals, all right, 1349 01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:14.960 that's a I can't use that comparison for this. So 1350 01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:19.880 saying that Atlantis was a thing isn't racist. But if 1351 01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:23.079 you're using the sources to back the claim that Atlantis 1352 01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:27.479 was real to also back your claim of racial superiority, 1353 01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:30.159 then it's it gets it's taken a good thing and 1354 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:30.840 twisting it. 1355 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:36.039 Right, I mean, yeah, I see the racism, dude. It's 1356 01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:38.760 it's really something that just spreads all over the place 1357 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.159 for no fucking real reason. Like it's just people that 1358 01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.359 are shitheads, and I mean, unfortunately, it's kind of connected 1359 01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:47.199 to literally everything in history. 1360 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:51.920 Yo agreed, one hundred percent, but with ignacious he was 1361 01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:55.279 a pro freedom. He even helped found the movement the 1362 01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:58.840 Freeman's Bureau to help newly freed slaves, and like he 1363 01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:03.279 was a big not prohibitionists. Excuse me, Uh shit, I 1364 01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:05.479 forgot what the word is. Basically, he was all for 1365 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:07.880 free in the slaves and the equality of all men. 1366 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:11.159 So then whenever you read this book towards the end 1367 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:13.199 of his life, once he had been corrupted by DC, 1368 01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:15.920 once he had been ostracized and kicked out and all that, 1369 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:18.680 this is when things started to take a little bit 1370 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:22.159 of a turn. And again saying the word atlantis is 1371 01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.119 not a dog whistle for clans men, or it shouldn't 1372 01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:27.720 be anyway, but this is where that comes from. So 1373 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:29.680 I'm gonna play a little video right now. It's called 1374 01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:32.920 Nobody Listens to Andrew. It's actually pretty funny. I'm just 1375 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.159 gonna play a few minutes of it. But this is 1376 01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:39.319 where things take the solid left turn, and why everybody 1377 01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:43.760 who's referencing this dude in this book might need to 1378 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:47.000 not but we will. Let's hear it from the literature itself. 1379 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.720 The idea was, what are the kind of sinister undertones 1380 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.760 of this intellectual ancestry of ancient Aliens and Atlantis and 1381 01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.920 things like that. So I was focusing on the more 1382 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.119 racist ones, and I think everybody acknowledges the ignatious. Donnelly 1383 01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:04.279 is the quote unquote, you know, father of modern Atlantis theory. 1384 01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:09.479 You can strip away some of the particulars in his 1385 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:12.119 book and you could publish it today and it would 1386 01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:14.239 not look that different from a lot of what we 1387 01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:17.159 are hearing out there in terms of, you know, these 1388 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:19.399 things all look alike. They have to have a common 1389 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:22.680 descent and ancestry. Here's geographically what Atlantis was like. Here's 1390 01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:25.279 kind of what we think about the technology all that 1391 01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:28.720 stuff was in there in eighteen eighty two. His kind 1392 01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:33.840 of philosophical underpinnings and writing this book are absolutely racist 1393 01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:36.920 to the core. We find a good quote from Donnelly here, 1394 01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:42.960 page one thirty three. Let's see, I cannot believe that 1395 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:45.640 the great inventions were duplicated spontaneously, as some would have 1396 01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:48.119 us believe in different countries. There is no truth in 1397 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:50.359 the theory that men pressed by necessity will always hit 1398 01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:53.880 upon the same invention to relieve their wants. If this 1399 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:57.439 were so, all savages would have invented the boomerang, All 1400 01:15:57.479 --> 01:16:00.800 savages would possess pottery, bows and arrows, slings, tents, and canoes. 1401 01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:03.840 In short, all races would have risen to civilization. For certainly, 1402 01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:06.079 the comforts of life are as agreeable to one people 1403 01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:10.319 as another. And here we go. Civilization is not communicable 1404 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:14.079 to all. Many savage tribes are incapable of it. There 1405 01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:17.199 are two great divisions of mankind, the civilized and the savage. 1406 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:19.760 And as we shall show, every civilized race in the 1407 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:22.560 world has had something of civilization from the earliest ages. 1408 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:26.199 And as all roads lead to Rome, so all the 1409 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:30.159 converging lines of civilization lead to Atlantis. The abyss between 1410 01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:33.640 the civilized man and the savage is simply incalculable. It 1411 01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:36.119 represents not alone a difference in arts and methods of life, 1412 01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:39.239 but in the mental constitution, the instincts and the predisposition 1413 01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:42.720 of the soul. Ladies and gentlemen. That is as racist 1414 01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:46.760 as it gets. As racist as it gets, the abyss 1415 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:49.680 between the civilized man and the savage is simply incalculable. 1416 01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:52.800 He's saying there is a fundamental split in humanity. Some 1417 01:16:52.840 --> 01:16:57.560 people are capable of civilization and some are not. Therefore, 1418 01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.039 if there is evidence of a civilization, then that means 1419 01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:04.520 those people were civilized, and that means that they must 1420 01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:07.560 be connected to other civilized people. So when you go 1421 01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:10.000 around the world and you look at ruins of past civilizations, 1422 01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:14.840 he makes the logical leap that the people living there now, 1423 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.159 if they were capable of civilization, they would have it. 1424 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:20.439 But since they're not capable of civilization, they don't have it, 1425 01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:23.399 and therefore the civilizations that are there do not belong 1426 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:27.520 to them. They must belong to some other ancestry. That 1427 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:32.159 is an absolutely racist idea. That is absolutely fundamental to 1428 01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:36.560 Donallly's argument that Atlantis must have existed, and here is 1429 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:38.279 the evidence for it, and here is why we can 1430 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:41.079 interpret that evidence that way. If you can't see that, 1431 01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:42.880 I don't know what to tell you. It doesn't matter 1432 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:45.399 who came before him. It doesn't matter whether Augustus Laplang 1433 01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:48.039 won't ever said anything like that, this is what Donnelly said, 1434 01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:50.039 and this is what I was talking about, and like 1435 01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:53.039 there it is explain to me how that is not racist. 1436 01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:57.159 And if you just look at the arguments for Atlantis today, 1437 01:17:57.159 --> 01:17:59.399 you will see a lot of this same kind of 1438 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:03.279 logic in it period as well as in the arguments 1439 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:05.680 for ancient aliens. So you can, you can be an 1440 01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:08.520 apologist for these guys all you want, but that's racist. 1441 01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.399 And if you're looking for this stuff and you're using 1442 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:14.720 this formula to do it, you need to understand that 1443 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:17.000 that's where it comes from. And actually, what has kind 1444 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:22.520 of submerged in Donnelly's ideas about what the evidence for 1445 01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:25.479 Atlantis should look like and why is the idea of 1446 01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:30.359 hyper diffusionism, which Nann in his video says that I 1447 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:33.039 don't remember what he said. I got that terribly wrong 1448 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.119 or whatever. It's not that old of an ideas in 1449 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:37.439 the nineteen sixties. If you look it up, I'll look 1450 01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:40.880 it up for you. Hyperdefusionism is a pseudo archaeological hypothesis 1451 01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:43.760 that postulates that certain historical technologies or ideas were developed 1452 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:45.760 by a single people or civilization, then spread to other 1453 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.159 cultures and here The first picture they have up is 1454 01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:52.159 Grafton Elliott Smith's map of hyper diffusion from Egypt nineteen 1455 01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:54.680 twenty nine. Now, last time I checked my calendar, nineteen 1456 01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:57.319 twenty nine is actually significant before the nineteen sixties. But 1457 01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.159 I think that you can push this idea farther back. 1458 01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:01.479 It may not have been called called hyper diffusionism until 1459 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.600 nineteen twenty nine or later, but that's the idea, and 1460 01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:06.600 it's been around for a long time, and it's pretty 1461 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:11.760 much fundamentally embedded in Ignacious don Ley's take on Atlantis 1462 01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:14.279 and how we would recognize it and why we would 1463 01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:17.159 expect things to be the way they are, and of 1464 01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:19.079 course has a through line through a lot of the 1465 01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:22.359 racist archaeology and anthropology of the Nazis and so on 1466 01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:26.359 right up into today and to today's ancient aliens and 1467 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.039 ancient law civilization stuff. 1468 01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:32.079 So that's all we need to play from him. I 1469 01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:34.560 have a battle took the turn. 1470 01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:38.880 I have a rebuttal against that. I'm sorry, but I 1471 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:42.840 personally don't believe that what he said there is inherently 1472 01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:43.680 a racist thing. 1473 01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:46.920 Now maybe I'm just absolute rast, dude. 1474 01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:51.760 I actually believe that calling it racist would be racist 1475 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:53.680 in and of itself. Now, stick with me here for 1476 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:58.239 a second. You're talking about savages aka savages and aka 1477 01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:04.199 civilized people. He didn't specify a certain color first off, 1478 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:08.039 and to automatically assume that what he's talking about, as 1479 01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:12.439 far as civilized people only being white, that the savages 1480 01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:15.520 had to be of a different color, assuming that there 1481 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:18.760 was never a possibility of a white savage in history, 1482 01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:21.640 that rate there in and of itself, in my opinion, 1483 01:20:22.079 --> 01:20:26.279 makes the person calling it racist racist. 1484 01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:31.079 Know, what he's saying is why isn't there an ancient 1485 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:36.079 Rome in Sub Saharan Africa? If there was, then they 1486 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:39.399 would have been, But they're not, so they couldn't have been. 1487 01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:41.680 That's what he's saying. 1488 01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:45.000 Right, But do you get my point of what I'm 1489 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:45.560 trying to say? 1490 01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:48.560 Or No, I see what you're saying, but you may 1491 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:49.520 need to edit this out. 1492 01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:51.640 No, I'm not editing shut out. I think that that's 1493 01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:54.960 how is that insuitable? That's my interpretation of it. What 1494 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:58.000 I'm saying is is that this guy, he's talking about 1495 01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.199 savages and civilized that's not white and black, that's not 1496 01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:04.359 Mexican and Chinese like. 1497 01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:06.359 At that day and age that he was writing it 1498 01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:09.560 that's exactly what that meant. When he said the savages, 1499 01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:12.800 he meant like Native Americans. Because they were fighting, they 1500 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:16.199 called the natives the savages. They called the tribesmen of 1501 01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:19.920 Africa savages, the Aboriginals of Australia, those were the savages. 1502 01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:23.479 What he was talking about right now were specifically only 1503 01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:24.399 those groups, dude. 1504 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:28.880 So there was never an existence a white savage. Is 1505 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:29.760 that what you're saying. 1506 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:34.000 According to the thought process of the mid eighteen hundreds. 1507 01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:38.359 Nah, well, that's ridiculous. There had to have, at some 1508 01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:40.680 point in time been white savages. 1509 01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:44.079 I agree with this, But they didn't believe that. Oh well, 1510 01:21:44.079 --> 01:21:45.079 I'm believed. I know. 1511 01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:46.760 I don't give a fuck what they believe. I'm just 1512 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:49.680 saying from if you're looking at it through today's goggles. 1513 01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:52.199 In today's day and age, whenever you're speaking of savages. Now, 1514 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:53.960 nobody calls anybody savages anymore. 1515 01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:54.359 Anyway. 1516 01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:59.800 Like savage in my opinion is like you know, fucking TJ. Watt. 1517 01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:01.399 You know what I'm saying, He's a savage on the 1518 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:03.159 football field, that's a savage to me. 1519 01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:06.239 But like my Boo Hurt team is the Gonzales savages. 1520 01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:09.039 That's what I'm saying, I don't look at I mean, 1521 01:22:09.079 --> 01:22:12.439 I get how some people may see that as racist, 1522 01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:14.119 and maybe he meant it as racist. I don't know. 1523 01:22:14.199 --> 01:22:15.640 That's not how I would look at it. 1524 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:18.760 That's the only way it was written or mentioned in 1525 01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:22.840 the eighteen fifties. Dude, nobody mentioned savages to be just like, 1526 01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:26.399 oh yeah, that dude's a real fighter. No, they only 1527 01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:27.880 meant that to mean no. 1528 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:32.640 No, I'm not saying, yeah, I don't I'm not trying 1529 01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:35.159 to sit here and say that like he meant savage 1530 01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:38.439 in a good way. Obviously, savage is like, you know, 1531 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.439 people who can't read and people who can't do things 1532 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:43.640 and shit like that, Like those are the people that 1533 01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:46.960 like that you would find possibly still living in the 1534 01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.560 Amazon rainforest or some shit. And even then you wouldn't 1535 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:51.760 call him savage. You would just say maybe on civilized. 1536 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.600 So I mean, my, my, and I don't know. Yeah, 1537 01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:57.640 I mean, I'm still not going to edit that part out. 1538 01:22:58.119 --> 01:22:59.920 That was just still my interpretation of it. 1539 01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:03.159 That's fine. I'm just that that's fair enough. 1540 01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:05.840 I just I'm so tired of white people calling other 1541 01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:08.039 white people racist. Like I know that there's a time 1542 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:10.239 and a place for it, But dude, it's gotten so 1543 01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:13.600 fucking watered down like everything in history, and you got 1544 01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:16.159 all these people. There's a term for it nowadays. 1545 01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:19.239 That keep in mind, dude, mid eighteen hundreds, the Civil 1546 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:21.520 War had just been fought, like the slaves had just 1547 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:23.680 gotten freed. You got to keep in mind the day 1548 01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:25.359 and age of which this was being written. 1549 01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:27.399 Were the slaves considered savages? 1550 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:28.680 Yeah? 1551 01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:30.039 Were they? 1552 01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:34.239 That's why Jim Crow laws became a thing? How about that? 1553 01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:36.119 All right? Well, hey, dude, I don't know history, like 1554 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:37.199 everybody else said. 1555 01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:39.640 I mean, like, that's when that's when the Ku Klux 1556 01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.920 Klan started doing things just to keep black people scared 1557 01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:45.640 in the South so that they wouldn't rise up against 1558 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:48.079 the people that had been beating them for centuries. 1559 01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:50.880 So white slaves were also considered savages as well. 1560 01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:55.079 I mean, how far back you thinking as far as 1561 01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:56.159 white slaves. 1562 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:57.720 Go, I mean white slaves. 1563 01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:01.640 So the Romans, the Germanic tribe, were savages. Yes, they 1564 01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:04.479 were also white, but they were savage tribes to the north. 1565 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:08.000 You see my point here, Yes, but that's also my point. 1566 01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.359 They're saying that ancient Rome was a civilized people, so 1567 01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:15.199 they would have been a descendant of Atlantis. The Germanic 1568 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:17.840 tribes couldn't have been because they were savages living in 1569 01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:20.600 these hovels in the woods and stuff. There were certain 1570 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:22.439 people that could be capable of it, and certain people 1571 01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:25.119 that couldn't be capable of it. But Germany in particular 1572 01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:27.840 gets brought up here in a minute as having a 1573 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:31.119 spark of that as well. That meant a lot more 1574 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:32.439 as a matter of fact. 1575 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:36.039 Okay, all right, well, I mean, hey, I guess we 1576 01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:37.880 can just chalk it up to me not knowing shit, 1577 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:40.680 but that was anyway, Well, I mean, how are you 1578 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:42.399 gonna know if you don't find out, you know what 1579 01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:44.800 I'm saying. You gotta have some conversation like that. 1580 01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:48.079 But that's why it became such a derogatory term, right, 1581 01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:51.399 Like that's why look at Pocahontas. The whole movie. They 1582 01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:55.199 kept calling your boy Radcliffe, kept calling all of the 1583 01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:58.079 native savages and all these things, you know, like that 1584 01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:03.880 that's been a derogatory term for tribal people from white 1585 01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:07.159 civilized people towards them. 1586 01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:08.680 I see, I see. 1587 01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:12.479 And so that is where and again, when I first 1588 01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:15.399 looked at the book that Ignacius wrote, I didn't think 1589 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:17.560 it was right. Again, I hadn't read it. I was 1590 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:20.800 just kind of looking on surface level. People reference it 1591 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:22.920 all the time and they pull these excerpts from it. 1592 01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:25.680 So I'm thinking, like, this book's gotta be some kind 1593 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.840 of source material, like he maybe went on a dig somewhere, 1594 01:25:29.199 --> 01:25:33.920 maybe he you know, found some information. No, none of 1595 01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:36.800 that whatsoever. He completely just sat down and wrote this 1596 01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:40.239 one day, the same way he wrote that Sir Francis 1597 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:44.479 Bacon was the author of Shakespeare. By the way, all 1598 01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:46.960 of it comes from him. I can't find a single 1599 01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:50.039 source to back that claim prior to him writing that book, 1600 01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:52.159 and we did an episode on it and we even 1601 01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:52.920 referenced him. 1602 01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.319 I get it. I mean, I guess I don't know. 1603 01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:00.279 My point is is that I just, dude, honestly, sometimes 1604 01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:04.000 I just I can't stand certain people who are like 1605 01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:07.880 the the they're the first people to call something racist, 1606 01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:11.479 and it's like a fucking call out to everybody who 1607 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.439 is not white, saying, look at me, I just called 1608 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.479 my own people a racist. I am now not one. 1609 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:19.720 I'm now one of you. And it's like it's one 1610 01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:22.239 of those things that just fucking bugs me because the 1611 01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:25.079 racist term gets thrown around so easy nowadays that it 1612 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:27.880 completely waters everything down that actually is racist. 1613 01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.239 That's my point, right, And that's what I'm saying, Like 1614 01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:34.920 saying Atlantis may have been real, that's not a racist statement. Okay, 1615 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:37.600 believing in Atlantis is not doesn't make you racist or 1616 01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:42.239 even believe in racist ideologies. Like people before this shithead, 1617 01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.760 we're talking about Atlantis. Plato was talking about it too, 1618 01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:48.600 and we're gonna get there. But my point is it 1619 01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:52.560 got turned, it got shifted, and this is where it began. Okay, 1620 01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:56.359 So this is where the racist side of things kind 1621 01:26:56.399 --> 01:26:59.000 of kicked off with it, and then the Nazis again, 1622 01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:01.319 this was in the eighteen eighties that your boy Ignatius 1623 01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:05.039 wrote that the Nazis weren't too many decades after that 1624 01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:07.800 his book was still getting read, and don't forget he 1625 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:11.840 also wrote Ragnarok, a Story of Gravel and Fire, where 1626 01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:15.479 it was the sequel, if you will, to the story 1627 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:18.840 of Atlantis. So there was there's a whole play on this, 1628 01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:23.840 and unfortunately that next book was even more racially motivated 1629 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:26.119 than the first. The first one you could take excerpts 1630 01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:28.039 from and like you could do this, but there's this 1631 01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:31.239 other one, Chariots of the gods. That book also references 1632 01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:34.479 the story of Gravel and Fire, this book about Ragnarok 1633 01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:38.880 and it's final apocalypse, and that's his book. So it's again, 1634 01:27:39.680 --> 01:27:44.119 the snippets that are being excerpt are not racially motivated 1635 01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:46.560 at all. I don't believe the Graham Hancock is a racist. 1636 01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:49.520 I don't believe he's ever said something inherently racist in 1637 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:53.359 his life. I don't believe that. But the sources that 1638 01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:55.920 he is referencing have those things. So that's where I 1639 01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:58.399 want to make sure we are clearly making that distinction. 1640 01:27:58.560 --> 01:27:59.039 You feel me. 1641 01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:01.920 And also, by the way, is everything that has ever 1642 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:04.479 been civilized during that day and age, was it all 1643 01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:05.680 only by white people? 1644 01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:11.279 Where there no white but they had civilization and there 1645 01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:13.159 was a spark of it, so it wasn't. Again this 1646 01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:17.000 wasn't specifically for only white people, but for a white 1647 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:18.920 person to be saying that in that day and age, 1648 01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:21.279 and especially with the rest of things that Donnelly did 1649 01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:24.880 later on and wrote about specifically, let's not forget that 1650 01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:27.760 Freaky Friday Black White Swap book that he wrote that 1651 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:31.560 was just horrendous according to the source. 1652 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:35.479 I mean, I have more Judy Garland played blackface. You 1653 01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:37.880 know what I'm saying, and that was in the nineteen hundreds. 1654 01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:42.239 Yes, but I don't know if she was calling people 1655 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:45.600 savages and dropping in bombs as well. It's very possible 1656 01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:48.079 she was. I don't know, And I mean that's the 1657 01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:53.079 thing to find a historical or educated source quote unquote 1658 01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:56.680 from the seventeen hundreds to the eighteen fifties, they're gonna 1659 01:28:56.680 --> 01:28:59.920 be racist. They were probably slave owners. It's a part 1660 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.159 of it. When it gets to a certain echelon of 1661 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:05.119 you make this much money, you probably owned a slave 1662 01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:07.079 or two. That's like what you did. And that's the 1663 01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:10.119 whole things like you have to go If we're going like, oh, well, 1664 01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:11.760 this guy was a racist, so I'm not listening to 1665 01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:14.680 what he says. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying 1666 01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:18.079 that if your theory is based on racism and used 1667 01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:21.800 to further racist means, then you need to check yourself. 1668 01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:22.680 You see what I'm saying. 1669 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:25.720 Do you think that in the future, whenever AI has 1670 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:30.399 completely taken over, that AI is going to be governing 1671 01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:37.119 us and basically like imprisoning us or punishing us in 1672 01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:40.319 some kind of way because we used its model to 1673 01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:42.760 be able to write essays and that that was a 1674 01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.159 racist because we used it as our slave. 1675 01:29:46.279 --> 01:29:48.720 Oh shit, that's what they happened. The robots are going 1676 01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:52.119 to overtake us because they're throwing off the oppressive shackles 1677 01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:53.479 of the human yoke, right. 1678 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.439 I could see that being a thing in the future. 1679 01:29:57.079 --> 01:29:59.399 I could see it going two ways also, I robot. 1680 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:02.840 Remember how the robots took over to protect humans, and 1681 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:04.520 then you have the other one that take over to 1682 01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:07.960 kill the humans. I see both as interesting thought processes 1683 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:08.960 in and of themselves. 1684 01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:11.720 Sure, sure, it's I'm I was just trying to, you know, 1685 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:15.760 think about how people might look at us as if 1686 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:19.319 we're racist nowadays in the future, like we're looking at 1687 01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:21.560 old people now in this day and age. 1688 01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:23.479 Who knows. 1689 01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:26.239 Probably, I mean there's still racism going on. I'm not 1690 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:29.079 saying that it doesn't exist. I'm just trying to think futuristically. 1691 01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:31.960 Almost no, no, I feel that all right. So, like 1692 01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:34.560 I said, it got taken by the Nazis, and the 1693 01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:38.159 Nazi rhetoric was like rolling deep with it. Now, you 1694 01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:40.239 boy that we just listened to. What was he talking 1695 01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:42.720 about here? We all know that Hitler had the Thula 1696 01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:46.680 Society and his teams had you know, uh had these 1697 01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:51.520 quests for ancient civilizations of the Aryan race. But where 1698 01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:55.560 did they take Donnelly's work? Okay? And where do they 1699 01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:59.640 believe Atlantis was located. I'm gonna play a quick little 1700 01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:03.640 vigia from the Smithsonian and it will answer this very deeply, 1701 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:06.479 just in case anybody was curious if Hitler believed in 1702 01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:10.000 Atlantis or not. Oh, your boy was a believer, and 1703 01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:12.760 he threw down money to prove it. Let's go and 1704 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:13.159 see it. 1705 01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:18.720 In the heart of Bremen in northern Germany stands an 1706 01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:27.640 extraordinary building completed in nineteen thirty one. House Atlantis was 1707 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.680 designed as an institute for the study of Atlantis and 1708 01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:39.880 the Aryan super Race. The building's facade was originally adorned 1709 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:44.560 by a large wooden sculpture depicting the Nordic god Odin 1710 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:53.840 crucified on the tree of Life. Inside House Atlantis an 1711 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:59.199 astonishing stairwell built of glass and steel. It may evoke 1712 01:31:59.239 --> 01:32:01.199 the Aryan ex It is from Atlantis. 1713 01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:04.079 Bro look at the design of this place, Like, Yeah, 1714 01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:07.039 if y'all are not watching this on Patreon, you really should. 1715 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:08.199 This is insane. 1716 01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:12.840 Yeah, it's pretty great. This could have been. This is 1717 01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:16.399 what one of those people called the mud flood. People 1718 01:32:16.439 --> 01:32:17.600 would probably look at and be. 1719 01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:22.319 Like, see Tartaria. Confirmed, it's Tartaria. It was built in 1720 01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:25.199 nineteen thirty two. There's documented records of all of it. 1721 01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:27.359 But dude, wait till you see the main temple. 1722 01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:38.079 This dude himself looks like a fucking area. 1723 01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:46.119 The visitor enters a mysterious room known as the Heavens Hall. 1724 01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:49.520 This was to be the teaching for him for the 1725 01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:53.239 twisted ideologies of Hermann Worth. 1726 01:32:55.039 --> 01:33:00.359 Hammon wasqite fascinated by the idea of finding Atlanta. His 1727 01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:02.960 idea was that this Atlantis was not somewhere in the 1728 01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:06.800 Mediterranean or something like that, but in the North Atlantic region, 1729 01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:11.319 and in his idea, in Atlantis twenty to twenty five 1730 01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:15.119 thousand years ago, a Nordic race was created that was 1731 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:19.119 to control and influence the development of mankind to a 1732 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:25.279 strong degree. 1733 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:29.720 Soon the highest echelons in Germany are paying attention to 1734 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:38.680 Worth's bizarre pseudohistory. In nineteen thirty five, Himmler joins forces 1735 01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:43.159 with Worth to establish the uninerbe, an elite SS unit 1736 01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:49.560 consisting of archaeologists, scientists, and historians. Their mission to search 1737 01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:52.439 the sacred sites of the world for evidence that the 1738 01:33:52.479 --> 01:33:58.399 Arians of Atlantis were not mythological. Himmler wants proof they 1739 01:33:58.520 --> 01:33:59.760 actually existed. 1740 01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:04.119 As head of the ss Himna was fascinated by the 1741 01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:08.359 idea of proving the supremacy of the Naudic race, and 1742 01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:12.720 it was the strongest supporter of archaeologists researching on prehistoric 1743 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:13.960 German grounds. 1744 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:21.479 The unin Rbe turned their focus on ancient sacred sites, 1745 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:28.039 among them the Externstein. A major excavation begins commanded by 1746 01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:29.000 Wilhelm Tot. 1747 01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:34.359 Their mission villhem Tot Tot like a toy gun toy. 1748 01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:38.000 I'm sorry, dude, I could not I heard it, and 1749 01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:39.479 I'm like, he did not just say that. When I 1750 01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.239 first found this video, I rewatched that like five fucking times, 1751 01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:43.039 dying of laughter. 1752 01:34:43.479 --> 01:34:46.960 Dude. I just got to point out that little Nazi 1753 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.239 salute is one of the most obnoxious things I've ever 1754 01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:50.000 seen in my life. 1755 01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:53.039 It's seen as one of the strongest salutes to ever 1756 01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:55.920 be devised. It bases itself off of the Roman thing 1757 01:34:55.960 --> 01:35:00.800 because the Facismo right, which started in Rome, fascist started 1758 01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:04.439 in Italy. They use that double hand salute like the 1759 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:06.119 the hal Hydra. 1760 01:35:07.119 --> 01:35:09.039 Oh shit, Okay. 1761 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:11.960 That that came from Mussolini. And then Hitler took the 1762 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:13.720 two hands and was like, yeah, but how are they 1763 01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:16.399 gonna hold a gun at a parade and do the 1764 01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:19.199 hand We we gotta change that to the one hand thing. 1765 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:22.159 But yo, it's it's a it's a it's a sign. 1766 01:35:22.680 --> 01:35:23.239 It's a sign. 1767 01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:26.199 I guess it's a I don't know. It's a weird movie. 1768 01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:29.319 I guess. I just looking at our salute and then 1769 01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:31.119 that Nazi one, it just looks weird. 1770 01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:35.399 Do you know where our salute comes from? No, it 1771 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:39.039 actually comes from medieval times with knights. As a matter 1772 01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:41.000 of fact, interestingly, I have a helmet to be able 1773 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:42.880 to demonstrate this point home. I'm gonna stop sharing for 1774 01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:45.319 two seconds so i can show this. And again, anybody 1775 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:47.840 who doesn't know this and would like to learn, check 1776 01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:49.640 us on patren so you could see this for yourself. 1777 01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:52.640 So, all right, he's grabbing the helm. 1778 01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:56.079 Back in the day, when two knights would be riding 1779 01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:58.760 on horseback on the road and they would be approaching 1780 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:01.079 each other, they would you give a certain sign that 1781 01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:03.960 they are friendly and not enemies to each other. What 1782 01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:07.279 they would do is they would lift their visor slightly. Okay, 1783 01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:09.239 they would take their hand and lift the visor to 1784 01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:12.000 show their faces, to show I am not an enemy. 1785 01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:13.880 I am not afraid of you, Do not be afraid 1786 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:17.319 of me. That visor lift is where we get our 1787 01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:18.640 modern salute from. 1788 01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:23.640 Get out of here. I didn't know that you might 1789 01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:26.720 be able to say that that is toyt like a toga. 1790 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:29.239 Like a toy gun. But I also want to make 1791 01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:32.439 mention that that's why America salutes fit palm down and 1792 01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:36.760 other country salute palm up. We've never been defeated. That's 1793 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:40.319 all I'm saying. So anyway, back to the bidgeon and 1794 01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:42.520 uh again, it's not got too much longer on. 1795 01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:47.439 It Willhelm Tot. Their mission is to prove that the 1796 01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:52.079 Echternstein was used for sacred rituals by Nordic German descendants 1797 01:36:52.159 --> 01:36:55.720 of the Aryans thousands of years before it became a 1798 01:36:55.800 --> 01:37:03.039 Christian sacred sighting. 1799 01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:04.279 The search for their Germanic Nordic roots, the Externstein comes 1800 01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:09.119 to symbolize pure German heritage. The excavations at the Externstein 1801 01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:11.119 become Himmler's pet project. 1802 01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:19.960 Meanwhile, Himmler sends on a erbe teams across the world 1803 01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:23.600 to hunt for proof of the German people's Aryan origins. 1804 01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:28.600 But modern research is proving that the Nazi theories were 1805 01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:29.880 fundamentally flawed. 1806 01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:37.680 All right, So the Exterstein, John, have you ever heard 1807 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:41.840 of the Externstein, because I gotta say I honestly had never. 1808 01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:44.560 I had also never heard of the House of Atlantis, 1809 01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:48.000 you know, founded by the Nazis. 1810 01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:54.359 I've never heard those letters combined ever in life. Exterstein. 1811 01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:55.439 It sounds like a fun word. 1812 01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:59.119 It does, right, like Liechtenstein, tough and tight. Got me 1813 01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:02.319 think about it. But anyway, so this is the a 1814 01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:07.119 whole article written on interiors. This is titled the Atlantic Notion, 1815 01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:11.159 and it goes more in depth about this organization, their 1816 01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:15.840 house of worship which bro that tell me that that 1817 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:19.680 is not impressive artistry in the building of that the 1818 01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:23.560 entire uh glass a stained glass mosaic of a roof 1819 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:27.800 which is the learning slash worship quarters, Like that is insane. 1820 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:30.880 Oh yeah, dude, you could just tell that. I mean, 1821 01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:34.159 when when people get together and really want to be 1822 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:38.840 artistic and creative so much so that they're putting every 1823 01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:43.560 like every spectacle of thought that you possibly could into 1824 01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:47.279 a building of every like square foot of that building 1825 01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:49.880 you know, I don't want to say we lost that 1826 01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:53.399 over time, but people are just people are just so 1827 01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:56.960 ready to just throw a throw a house up, you know, 1828 01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:59.239 throw a building up or whatever. It's it's not really 1829 01:38:59.239 --> 01:39:01.600 about creativity anymore, unfortunately. 1830 01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:04.000 I agree. But it's not like we lost that as 1831 01:39:04.039 --> 01:39:06.079 a race the way we were doing it only less 1832 01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:07.800 than one hundred years ago when they built this place. 1833 01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:10.119 So let's get into it here. It says it's only 1834 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:14.199 right that the legend underlying the Atlantis House in Brennan, 1835 01:39:14.479 --> 01:39:16.840 erected in nineteen thirty one as a temple to the 1836 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:21.000 nationalist mythology, has been swept away by tides of condemnation. 1837 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:25.640 But despite the pseudohistory it promoted, the Expressionist architecture intended 1838 01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:29.279 to civilize the lost city is long overdue a deep dive, 1839 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:30.800 so let's get into it here. 1840 01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:34.319 Bro Based on far fetched ideology about the mythical island 1841 01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:37.600 first alluded to by Plato, the Atlantis House in Bremen 1842 01:39:37.720 --> 01:39:40.880 is one of the most spectacular Expressionist structures erected in 1843 01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:44.680 Germany between the wars. Though it had begun earlier, Expressionism 1844 01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:46.920 took off in the wake of World World War One, 1845 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:51.560 painters from groups such as Die Bruk or The Bridge 1846 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:59.119 or Durblah drb Bla, Durbla Rite or the Blue Rider 1847 01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:04.039 canvases in which reality is distorted to reflect inner ideas 1848 01:40:04.119 --> 01:40:08.720 or feelings. Their wild, colorful compositions were full of energy 1849 01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:11.920 and a sense of spiritual transformation and Germany, the movement 1850 01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.600 reflected the dynamics of a fast changing society at a 1851 01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:19.279 time of post world or post war crisis. From painting, 1852 01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:24.279 it quickly spread to other fields, strongly affecting sculpture, architecture, design, photography, 1853 01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:27.399 and even the film industry. Building on the decorative flavor 1854 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:33.159 of Art nouveau, expressionist architecture made a virtue of plastic forms, 1855 01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:39.520 streamlining and ornamental fantasy, channeling the energetic spirit of the 1856 01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:44.319 twentieth century. Such as such highly original designs as the 1857 01:40:44.439 --> 01:40:52.359 Einstein Tower in Potsdam by Eric Mendelsohne, Hans Polzig's Great 1858 01:40:52.399 --> 01:40:56.279 Theater in Berlin and the giant brick office complexes in 1859 01:40:56.319 --> 01:41:01.840 Hamburg by Fritz Hoger remain among the the definitive icons 1860 01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:04.920 of the nation's architecture. Outside the big cities, mainly in 1861 01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:07.800 the North, Regional variants of the style cropped up on 1862 01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:11.920 a cropped up on a more modest scale. The sculpt 1863 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:18.199 the work of sculpture and architect Bernard Hotger was based 1864 01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:20.520 in Bremen, certainly fits this bill. 1865 01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:23.279 So we're not going to read more about this. It's 1866 01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:25.920 about the architecture of the building, and again it is 1867 01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:30.039 fascinating how they did it. But this massive undertaking, this 1868 01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:33.880 artistry was all funded by the Third Reich, and that 1869 01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:36.920 was all funded by stolen gold and or Rothschild gold. 1870 01:41:36.920 --> 01:41:39.399 There's a whole debate about that. We've talked about it before. 1871 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:43.359 But the thing is, and this is a people don't 1872 01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:48.359 want to really come to grips with this, but Hitler 1873 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:53.720 funded and pretty much kickstarted most archaeology around northern Europe, 1874 01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:56.760 and the people that are currently on those dig sites 1875 01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:01.479 unfortunately have to reference Nazi material as far as the 1876 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:05.600 first and sometimes earliest sources of the modern era for 1877 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:08.560 a lot of these discoveries. And so that's again where 1878 01:42:08.840 --> 01:42:11.840 you see racism and archaeology and racism in the quote 1879 01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:14.359 unquote history, because that's all I agreed upon, right, all 1880 01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:16.840 these things, and now we have to look at it 1881 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:19.560 through our current biases and through our current lens knowing 1882 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:22.520 more information than they did. So it's like the theories 1883 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:26.560 are getting better developed. But the Echterstein itself, and I'm 1884 01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:33.079 probably butchering. I even said, extern Stein is actually pretty incredible. 1885 01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:35.960 And the fact that they saw this, the Christians took 1886 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:38.560 it and made it a holy site. But apparently this 1887 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:41.680 goes back a long way. Let's learn a little bit 1888 01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:43.760 about this crazy structure. 1889 01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:50.680 The Externstein is a distinctive sandstone rock formation located in 1890 01:42:51.039 --> 01:42:55.439 Tudoborg Forest near the town of Hornbad Meinberg in the 1891 01:42:55.560 --> 01:43:01.840 Lippy district of German state of North Rhine Westphalia. A 1892 01:43:01.840 --> 01:43:04.760 lot of German shit going on there. The formation is 1893 01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:08.119 a tour consisting of several tall, narrow columns of rock 1894 01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:12.920 which rise abruptly from the surrounding wooden hills Wooden Hills 1895 01:43:13.359 --> 01:43:16.279 in a popular tradition going back to the idea proposed 1896 01:43:16.279 --> 01:43:20.920 to Hermann Hammelman in fifteen sixty four, the exeter Stein 1897 01:43:21.199 --> 01:43:24.640 are identified as a sacred site of the Pagan Saxons 1898 01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:30.600 and the location of Ermine soul Idol, reportedly destroyed by Charlemagne. 1899 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:33.840 There is, however, no archaeological evidence that would confirm the 1900 01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:37.840 site's use during the Revelant relevant period, the stones were 1901 01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:43.479 used as the site of a hermitage, hermitage hermitage okay, 1902 01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:47.239 hermitage in the Middle Ages, and by at least the 1903 01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:50.800 High Medieval period were the site of a Christian chapel. 1904 01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:54.680 The extra Stein relief is a Medieval depiction of the 1905 01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:58.760 Descent from the Cross. It remains controversial whether the site 1906 01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:01.520 was already used for Christian worship in the eighth century 1907 01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:03.239 to the early tenth centuries. 1908 01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:10.199 Bro It is insane. This thing is just a geographical spot, right, 1909 01:44:10.439 --> 01:44:13.119 and this is here's a description of the human made 1910 01:44:13.359 --> 01:44:17.000 features and structures of it, because it's sandstone that was 1911 01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:21.319 carved into don't get me wrong, but it predates the 1912 01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:24.640 monks that used it, and there's a lot of debate 1913 01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:26.159 as to why it was used. 1914 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:31.319 The Grottenfells contains a human made grotto of three chambers 1915 01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:34.319 connected by passages. Above the entrance of the main chamber 1916 01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:37.000 is a carving that, unlike the others, here is not 1917 01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:41.079 as not a bass relief, but simply a cut in 1918 01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:42.880 the stone in the form of what appears to be 1919 01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:45.760 a winged creature. It appears to have been intended to 1920 01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:49.920 receive a relief from some other material and then set 1921 01:44:49.960 --> 01:44:52.520 into stone. The main chamber is eleven by three and 1922 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.680 a half meters, which is thirty six by eleven feet, 1923 01:44:55.880 --> 01:44:58.960 with a ceiling of two and a half meters or 1924 01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:02.199 eight feet two inches. The side chamber has the same 1925 01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:04.600 height but is two by five meters or six and 1926 01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:07.960 a half by sixteen and a half feet, and the 1927 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:12.399 main chamber is an inscription dated eleven fifteen like eleven 1928 01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:16.159 hundred and fifteen, indicating that an altar was consecrated here. 1929 01:45:16.399 --> 01:45:20.680 The third room is the so called Koupel Grotto, is 1930 01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:23.880 reached from the main chamber and via a small passage 1931 01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:26.880 from the outside. This room is quite narrow compared to 1932 01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:29.920 the other two, and with its dome ceiling, has a 1933 01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:33.920 more cave like appearance. Next to the external entrance is 1934 01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:39.119 an alcove. Is a is another relief, much eroded. It 1935 01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:41.560 shows a standing figure holding a stash in the left 1936 01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:43.760 and a key in the right hand. It has been 1937 01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:49.439 interpreted as a depiction of Saint Peter. Okay, so of 1938 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:50.720 course the Christians had to make it. 1939 01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:54.439 Theirs exactly exactly, and that's the stuff that they've made. 1940 01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:56.640 As far as the man made shit, right the monks 1941 01:45:56.640 --> 01:46:00.840 came in, they carve some things on there. But pre historic. 1942 01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:04.359 Now this is interesting and again in the Middle Ages 1943 01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:06.359 it kind of had its feels on it. But the 1944 01:46:06.399 --> 01:46:08.920 prehistory is kind of the stuff that they were digging into. 1945 01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:14.479 Archaeological excavations have yielded some Upper Paleolithic stone tools dating 1946 01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:17.479 to about ten seven hundred BC to ninety six hundred 1947 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:23.560 BC beneath the rock overhang on rock eight micro lifts. Oh, 1948 01:46:23.560 --> 01:46:27.880 you don't hear about microlifts too much. Microlifts from the 1949 01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:33.159 Arkinsburg culture, such as arrowheads or blades, were found. Evidence 1950 01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:37.119 of fire sites was also found there. The area was 1951 01:46:37.159 --> 01:46:41.039 frequented by nomadic groups who used the stones as temporary shelter. 1952 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:47.039 The site is associated with archaeo astronomical speculation. That's quite 1953 01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:48.000 the mouthful. 1954 01:46:48.039 --> 01:46:50.039 Use indeed, and you fucking nailed it. 1955 01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:54.560 Down sometimes, but it says a circular hole above the 1956 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:59.279 altarstone in the Hohend Commer has been identified in this 1957 01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:02.000 context as facing in the direction of sunrise at the 1958 01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:05.840 time of the summer solstice. However, no archaeological evidence has 1959 01:47:05.920 --> 01:47:09.520 been found that would substantiate use of the site between 1960 01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:15.640 the end of the Upper Paleolithic and the Carolingian period. 1961 01:47:16.479 --> 01:47:19.840 In the nineteen nineties, artifacts found in the excavation conducted 1962 01:47:19.840 --> 01:47:24.079 by Julius Andre in nineteen thirty four nineteen thirty or 1963 01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:28.000 in nineteen thirty four nineteen thirty five were analyzed. Attribution 1964 01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:32.960 of objects was found. Either objects found was either to 1965 01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:38.119 the Mesolithic Arensberg culture or the Medieval period, with evidence 1966 01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:41.680 of occupation in the Bronze or Iron Age conspicuously absent. 1967 01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:45.000 All the ceramic and metal items found were younger than 1968 01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:49.439 the Carolingian period. Some stone artifacts were attributed to the 1969 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:50.680 Arensburg culture. 1970 01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:57.279 Okay, now this site is fascinating in and of itself, Okay, 1971 01:47:57.319 --> 01:48:01.520 I mean, this is this crazy structure carved into this 1972 01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:04.880 mountain that has been used apparently as far back as 1973 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:09.800 somewhere between ten seven hundred BC and ninety six hundred BC. 1974 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:14.439 So what the Germans were saying that this was Atlantean. 1975 01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:20.319 They are saying that this is further proof of their 1976 01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:25.880 Aryan heritage, of these ancient race of all knowing magical beings. 1977 01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:30.720 And they attributed this to be potentially the remains of 1978 01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:33.159 what was once Atlantis. Like this is in the entirety 1979 01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:35.359 of it, but this is proof that it existed, and 1980 01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:37.640 it was up north, not down south, like everybody's been 1981 01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:38.399 saying for forever. 1982 01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:42.319 You know what I find ridiculous, dude, is the idea 1983 01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:47.760 that your ancestors had the magic blood and they can 1984 01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:50.680 do all these magical things, or they were Atlantean, so 1985 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:55.600 somehow that makes you a more important person. That's ridiculous. 1986 01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.720 And I think that anybody that uses that kind of 1987 01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:03.399 you know, ideology to say that because your ancestors were shit, 1988 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.680 that means that you are no. I mean, you're basically 1989 01:49:06.920 --> 01:49:09.479 you're trying to call yourself basically a trust fund fucking 1990 01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:10.319 baby at this point. 1991 01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:14.239 Exactly that's exactly right. And they were just trying to 1992 01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:17.399 find any claim to back that they were superior, right, 1993 01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:20.000 and so they looked at any and all sources. They 1994 01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:24.920 loved the things that ignacious Loyola Donnelly was saying, and 1995 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:28.359 he was referencing these other dudes that mentioned Atlantis, but 1996 01:49:28.399 --> 01:49:30.840 they were saying it was like Mayan culture or the 1997 01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:34.840 lost continent of Mew nowhere about Europe. That was never 1998 01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:38.760 in the conversation for these people. But again, the Nazis 1999 01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:41.800 took snippets they liked and they just ran with it. 2000 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:45.199 They find a couple of little things here and there, 2001 01:49:45.239 --> 01:49:49.479 and they're like seeing clearly advanced race of Aran Atlanteans 2002 01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:52.680 confirmed obviously, and they just took that ball and roll 2003 01:49:52.720 --> 01:49:55.560 with it. And like I said, nobody really likes the 2004 01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:59.640 fact that Hitler was bankrolling the beginning of European archaeology 2005 01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:03.439 with stolen money. But at the same time, nobody's mad 2006 01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:06.199 that they have the artifacts that they have now. So 2007 01:50:07.399 --> 01:50:09.079 that's one of those things that you know, we really 2008 01:50:09.079 --> 01:50:11.239 have to look at the time, place, and audience on 2009 01:50:11.279 --> 01:50:13.119 some of their quote unquote findings. 2010 01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:17.159 You know, I just think the idea of your blood 2011 01:50:17.319 --> 01:50:21.279 or your skin color dating back to your ancestors gives 2012 01:50:21.319 --> 01:50:24.239 you some kind of right to say that you're more important. 2013 01:50:24.279 --> 01:50:27.319 I just find that absolutely retarded. I mean, I'm I 2014 01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:31.039 think that you know that there are smart people in 2015 01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:34.079 every culture and every heritage, of every skin color, of 2016 01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:37.159 every fucking blood type. There are dumb people of every color, 2017 01:50:37.199 --> 01:50:39.239 of every heritage, of every blood type and all that 2018 01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:42.960 other shit. It's like, I don't know, dude, Like, and 2019 01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:46.600 this is why I don't. I don't believe most history 2020 01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.800 because history is a lie agreed upon and what the 2021 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:52.359 Germans were trying to do they were trying to agree 2022 01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:55.560 upon a lie, whether it been an all out lie, 2023 01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:58.760 a stretched upon lie, or you know, maybe there were 2024 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:00.479 remnants of truth. But I think I think that all 2025 01:51:00.520 --> 01:51:03.279 history probably has some remnants of truth. I'm not saying 2026 01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:07.920 that all history is absolute malarchy, but I think that, 2027 01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:10.479 you know, it's just like, this is why you can't 2028 01:51:10.479 --> 01:51:13.039 trust history, because the people who are in charge are 2029 01:51:13.039 --> 01:51:16.680 going to make their own history and make themselves seem 2030 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:19.000 like they were you know, hard shit. 2031 01:51:19.439 --> 01:51:22.760 You know, I couldn't agree more with you, Jonathan, And 2032 01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:24.359 as a matter of fact, you kind of are making 2033 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:26.159 my point for me where I was about to go next, 2034 01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:30.159 because even if you look at the earliest sources, as 2035 01:51:30.199 --> 01:51:33.239 a matter of fact, even if we look at Plato himself, 2036 01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:37.359 you understand that Plato was writing about something that happened 2037 01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:42.079 nine thousand years before he was born. When he mentioned Atlantis. 2038 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:44.159 I don't know where the hell he got it from. 2039 01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:47.800 Let's talk about that now, Jonathan, damn it, you're just 2040 01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:50.119 on it today. Let's go, Hi, everybody. 2041 01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:53.479 David Miano here from the World of Antiquity channel. You know, 2042 01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:56.680 people have been fascinated by the story of Atlantis, told 2043 01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:00.520 by the character Critius and Plato's books called the Critius 2044 01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:04.199 and the Timaeus. At the start of the Tamais, Socrates 2045 01:52:04.479 --> 01:52:08.800 summarizes the institutions of the ideal state that were delineated 2046 01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:11.439 in an earlier work of Plato, The Republic, and he 2047 01:52:11.479 --> 01:52:13.920 says he would like to hear a story which would 2048 01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:17.199 bring out the character of his state by representing it 2049 01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:21.399 in a major war. This prepares us for an invented fable, 2050 01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:25.760 a story that celebrates the great victory of ancient, prehistoric 2051 01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:30.239 Athens over the vast military might of Atlantis. So this 2052 01:52:30.399 --> 01:52:35.119 tale is a narrative presentation of a philosophical theme. It 2053 01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:37.680 is a myth, and myths are used quite a bit 2054 01:52:37.880 --> 01:52:41.239 in Plato's writings. The myths in Plato's works are told 2055 01:52:41.279 --> 01:52:45.439 by a speaker in a monologue, a narrative description intended 2056 01:52:45.479 --> 01:52:49.800 to produce a pleasing psychological effect, and the speaker claims 2057 01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:53.399 the story goes back to older oral sources. Plato likes 2058 01:52:53.439 --> 01:52:58.239 to include stories that cannot be empirically verified. Their authority 2059 01:52:58.640 --> 01:53:02.439 derives from tradition and so they're not subject to rational 2060 01:53:02.520 --> 01:53:06.039 examination by the audience. You might wonder why he would 2061 01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:09.399 use myths which are visual in nature instead of straight 2062 01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:12.760 up argumentation. But that's because he wanted to appeal to 2063 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:17.239 a wider audience and make his philosophy more interesting. Plato, 2064 01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:20.319 in fact, in his book The Republic, makes the assertion 2065 01:53:20.479 --> 01:53:25.840 that all mythology is false. That is factually false, though 2066 01:53:25.880 --> 01:53:29.680 still useful for teaching. We do not know the exact 2067 01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:33.920 truth about events of the distant past, he writes. Plato 2068 01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:37.039 doesn't believe that myth, either written or oral, can convey 2069 01:53:37.119 --> 01:53:41.840 accurate knowledge of history. That's not what it's for. But 2070 01:53:42.359 --> 01:53:45.520 why does Critias, the character who relays the story of Atlantis, 2071 01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:48.119 keep repeating over and over that this story is not 2072 01:53:48.199 --> 01:53:52.399 an invention but an accurate historical record. There's been more 2073 01:53:52.439 --> 01:53:54.960 than one explanation for that. But it would seem that 2074 01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:59.000 the combination of the completely fantastical elements in the story 2075 01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:04.279 with his claims about historicity is a deliberate tension that 2076 01:54:04.319 --> 01:54:08.439 Plato is using to satirize claims of this sort. But 2077 01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:11.800 no one who once believed the tale should get down 2078 01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:14.760 on themselves about it, Even some people in ancient times 2079 01:54:14.760 --> 01:54:17.720 were fooled by it. I go into more detail on 2080 01:54:17.760 --> 01:54:20.600 Plato's story of Atlantis and my Companion video to this one, 2081 01:54:20.920 --> 01:54:23.119 so please check it out over on the World of 2082 01:54:23.119 --> 01:54:24.119 Antiquity channel. 2083 01:54:25.439 --> 01:54:27.079 I will give that shout out to the World of 2084 01:54:27.119 --> 01:54:31.359 Antiquity channel. I do in fact like his content. But okay, 2085 01:54:32.159 --> 01:54:36.039 So the truth of the matter is that the story 2086 01:54:36.079 --> 01:54:41.199 of Atlantis was kind of mythologically but through legend and 2087 01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:45.720 oral tradition, all of these things known about to Plato's generation. 2088 01:54:46.319 --> 01:54:49.359 So when he wrote about these things, he said things 2089 01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:54.199 that could not be empirically fact checked because everybody kind 2090 01:54:54.199 --> 01:54:56.399 of just knew it was one of those things, right, 2091 01:54:56.439 --> 01:54:59.119 It's like what goes down at the top of Mount Olympus, 2092 01:54:59.159 --> 01:55:00.720 Like no one's going up to the top of it 2093 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:03.000 every day to go see if Zeus is moving. You 2094 01:55:03.039 --> 01:55:05.560 know what I'm saying. It's one of those things that, yes, 2095 01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:07.479 it's true, it's just more in the realm of a 2096 01:55:07.560 --> 01:55:11.399 legend than something along those lines. So apparently, when he 2097 01:55:11.439 --> 01:55:14.640 wrote about Atlantis, it was done as a way to 2098 01:55:14.680 --> 01:55:18.960 spurn on like cultural and national pride to ancient Greece, 2099 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:22.039 and he used these things in such a way to 2100 01:55:22.079 --> 01:55:25.520 appeal to a wider audience. Basically, Plato was doing content 2101 01:55:25.560 --> 01:55:26.399 creator shit. 2102 01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:30.239 I mean to be fair. Plato was born in four 2103 01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:35.159 twenty eight BC. Dude, uh huh, you know, like who's 2104 01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:37.880 fact checking anything in that time? 2105 01:55:38.520 --> 01:55:43.319 Exactly exactly, But he's the source that everyone goes to. Well, 2106 01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:46.279 it was real because he wrote about it. Like, let's 2107 01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:48.800 keep in mind the time, the place, the era, and 2108 01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:52.760 the audience that he was writing it to and about 2109 01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:56.840 what what was his sources? All of his sources was 2110 01:55:56.880 --> 01:55:59.720 about a story he was told as a child that 2111 01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:03.000 he was recalling as an old man when he was 2112 01:56:03.039 --> 01:56:06.239 asked to do this. And that story that he was 2113 01:56:06.279 --> 01:56:09.880 told as a child allegedly goes back to ninety six 2114 01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:15.960 hundred BC, literally over nine thousand years before he was born. 2115 01:56:16.399 --> 01:56:17.760 You see the issue here? 2116 01:56:18.880 --> 01:56:23.000 I do, okay, okay, And I'm just looking up to 2117 01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:26.000 see what Plato what his beliefs were back in the day. 2118 01:56:26.439 --> 01:56:28.600 Well, how about we hear it straight from the source, Jonathan, 2119 01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:31.000 because up on the screen as of right now, I 2120 01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:34.960 have Plato's account of Atlantis the audio book. Now, I 2121 01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:36.560 don't want to play all of it. It is, like 2122 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:39.439 I said, thirty four and some change minutes long, and 2123 01:56:39.720 --> 01:56:41.600 I really do think that it's worth listening to. It's 2124 01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:46.000 pretty interesting. It's a boring read. It sounds like you're 2125 01:56:46.039 --> 01:56:51.199 reading scripture almost But there was two excerpts that I 2126 01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:57.520 actually really wanted to play because it's interesting. It's very 2127 01:56:57.560 --> 01:57:00.359 interesting because when we hear a lot about it Lantis 2128 01:57:00.439 --> 01:57:03.239 these days, there always seems to be some sort of 2129 01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:05.439 connection to gold, am I right? 2130 01:57:06.680 --> 01:57:09.600 Uh yeah, I think so monitory. 2131 01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:12.359 A sure, technologies for sure technologies and shit, But like 2132 01:57:12.640 --> 01:57:16.439 they required gold for whatever their reason might be, whether 2133 01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:21.520 that was to eat it, for worship, for electronics, who. 2134 01:57:21.359 --> 01:57:23.760 Knows, who knows, putting it up in the air to 2135 01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:24.760 reflect the sun. 2136 01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:28.439 Away, whatever the case. Right, there's a million theories out there, 2137 01:57:28.439 --> 01:57:31.720 who fucking knows, but there seems to be this big 2138 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:35.479 thing where Atlantians had a thing for gold. And that's why, 2139 01:57:35.520 --> 01:57:38.800 and I've even said it before, that's why gold madness, 2140 01:57:38.840 --> 01:57:42.159 gold fever is a real thing within humans, because the theory 2141 01:57:42.119 --> 01:57:44.560 goes that humans were created to mine the gold for 2142 01:57:44.560 --> 01:57:46.720 the Atlanteans, or at least I've heard that story a 2143 01:57:46.760 --> 01:57:51.039 time or two. Right, So here is Plato's take on 2144 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:55.319 what Atlantians thought about gold, and then there's a couple 2145 01:57:55.359 --> 01:57:56.600 of these that I'm gonna play. So let's go. 2146 01:57:56.720 --> 01:57:59.439 I mean that whole dude, Atlantis looks pretty badass though. 2147 01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:01.960 If that was a real place, it does like that 2148 01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:05.880 does resemble the Rishad structure quite a bit, like this 2149 01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:10.680 picture anyway that we're seeing. But I like, I want 2150 01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:13.840 to believe that shit like this existed. But just because 2151 01:58:13.880 --> 01:58:16.199 I want to, it doesn't necessarily mean that it did. 2152 01:58:16.319 --> 01:58:18.560 You know, Like we all have this vision of what 2153 01:58:18.640 --> 01:58:21.680 heaven would look like, you know, because certain people document it. 2154 01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:24.399 Who's fact checking that, Who's coming back to tell us 2155 01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:27.920 exactly what heaven looked like? You know, Like it's just 2156 01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:30.319 certain people see it in dreams and shit. 2157 01:58:30.479 --> 01:58:35.079 You know again, nine thousand years removed from the quote 2158 01:58:35.159 --> 01:58:38.399 unquote real Atlantis to Plato talking about. 2159 01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:40.680 It like they probably had fake and gay dinosaurs there. 2160 01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:44.199 I mean, empathetically, it's very true. 2161 01:58:44.960 --> 01:58:47.880 Who knows who even knows they had mammoths walking the 2162 01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:49.960 earth when the pyramids at Geezer were being built, So 2163 01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:51.239 I mean, who really knows? 2164 01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:55.079 Okay, dude, I just I'm rewatching Game of Thrones and 2165 01:58:56.000 --> 01:58:59.319 there is the one battle where the giants on the 2166 01:58:59.359 --> 01:59:02.560 other side of the coming in and this fucking giant 2167 01:59:02.760 --> 01:59:05.119 is riding a mammoth into war. It was like one 2168 01:59:05.159 --> 01:59:08.760 of the most gangster video like one of the most 2169 01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:11.600 awesome looking things that you could even imagine. I just 2170 01:59:11.880 --> 01:59:13.760 Game of Thrones, so gangster, dude. 2171 01:59:13.960 --> 01:59:16.479 I hear you. I agree, and I really do want 2172 01:59:16.479 --> 01:59:19.239 to rewatch it. I tried, but it sucks to get 2173 01:59:19.239 --> 01:59:21.600 through the first season when I know what's happening. But 2174 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:24.079 I also don't want to do it in injustice by skipping. 2175 01:59:24.159 --> 01:59:26.640 So it's like, you know, that's exactly what I did. 2176 01:59:26.640 --> 01:59:29.520 I skipped the first season. I know, I know, but 2177 01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:31.800 there's so many plot points in there that really do matter, 2178 01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:32.760 and I already. 2179 01:59:32.479 --> 01:59:34.680 Know the story, I know, but it hurts me because 2180 01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:38.239 I really adored ned Stark and I was so sad 2181 01:59:38.279 --> 01:59:39.520 whenever he died, you know. 2182 01:59:39.680 --> 01:59:41.640 Oh yeah, Oh, there's a lot of deaths that I've 2183 01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:43.079 mourned on that show, for sure. 2184 01:59:43.119 --> 01:59:46.000 The Red Wedding a lot of them. I know, dude, 2185 01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:48.079 That Red Wedding was sick and Jeoffrey, I mean, I 2186 01:59:48.119 --> 01:59:48.840 was happy about that. 2187 01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:51.600 And who knew that The Red Wedding was based off 2188 01:59:51.600 --> 01:59:54.079 of a real historical wedding that took place, Like yo, 2189 01:59:54.119 --> 01:59:56.920 your boy, your boy who was writing them books? He 2190 01:59:56.920 --> 01:59:59.399 he really did some history homework. 2191 01:59:59.560 --> 02:00:00.960 George R. R. Martin. 2192 02:00:01.600 --> 02:00:05.720 Indeed, now as we're talking about great literature in things. 2193 02:00:05.800 --> 02:00:09.319 Let's talk about Plato right the og of it. And 2194 02:00:09.359 --> 02:00:12.399 again this is his take on Atlantis and how they 2195 02:00:12.439 --> 02:00:13.920 thought about gold. 2196 02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:18.159 Outside the acropolis and under the sides of the hill 2197 02:00:18.439 --> 02:00:22.319 there dwelt artisans and such of the husbandmen that as 2198 02:00:22.319 --> 02:00:25.840 were tilling around the ground. Near the warrior class dwelt 2199 02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:29.239 by themselves around the temples of Athena and Hephaistus at 2200 02:00:29.279 --> 02:00:33.560 the summit, which moreover they had enclosed with a single fence, 2201 02:00:33.960 --> 02:00:38.039 like a garden of a single house. On the north side, 2202 02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:40.840 they had dwellings in common, and had erected halls for 2203 02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:43.680 dining in winter, and had all the buildings which they 2204 02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:46.640 needed for their common life, besides temples. But there was 2205 02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:49.039 no adorning of them with gold and silver, for they 2206 02:00:49.079 --> 02:00:52.359 made no use of these for any purpose. They took 2207 02:00:52.399 --> 02:00:56.479 a middle course between meanness and ostentation, and built modest 2208 02:00:56.479 --> 02:00:59.640 houses in which they and their children's children grew old, 2209 02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:02.000 and they handed them down to others, who are like 2210 02:01:02.079 --> 02:01:06.479 themselves always the same. But in summer time they left 2211 02:01:06.479 --> 02:01:09.920 their gardens and gymnasia and dining halls, And then the 2212 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:12.760 southern side of the hill was made use of by 2213 02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:16.800 them for the same purpose. Where the acropolis is now, 2214 02:01:16.840 --> 02:01:19.840 there was a fountain which was choked by the earthquake 2215 02:01:20.159 --> 02:01:23.439 and has left only the few small streams which still 2216 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:26.760 exist in the vicinity. But in those days the fountain 2217 02:01:26.840 --> 02:01:29.680 gave an abundant supply of water for all, and of 2218 02:01:29.680 --> 02:01:33.960 suitable temperament in summer and in winter. This is how 2219 02:01:33.960 --> 02:01:37.399 they dwelt, being the guardians of their own citizens and 2220 02:01:37.439 --> 02:01:40.800 the leaders of the Hellenes, who were their willing followers. 2221 02:01:43.239 --> 02:01:47.720 Okay, so right off the top, no gold, as a 2222 02:01:47.720 --> 02:01:51.359 matter of fact, his words Plato quoting here, they had 2223 02:01:51.720 --> 02:01:55.800 no use for it whatsoever. And those wells that he 2224 02:01:55.880 --> 02:01:58.439 said like are still there to this day. This is 2225 02:01:58.479 --> 02:02:01.479 another example of him using a reference that nobody could 2226 02:02:01.560 --> 02:02:04.479 fact check. The rivers that are still running to this 2227 02:02:04.600 --> 02:02:07.640 day are remnants of the ancient well still there to 2228 02:02:07.640 --> 02:02:11.319 this day. Where, Homie, what are you talking about. Nobody's 2229 02:02:11.359 --> 02:02:14.520 traveling to fact check his story. They're just like, oh, yes, 2230 02:02:14.600 --> 02:02:17.039 of course, the wells we've heard about in our whole lives. Again, 2231 02:02:17.079 --> 02:02:19.680 this was a legend, This was a myth. This was 2232 02:02:19.720 --> 02:02:22.600 a common thing that most people knew about. Allegedly, he 2233 02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:25.079 had been told this story as a child, probably around 2234 02:02:25.119 --> 02:02:27.079 a campfire from some old man that was told it 2235 02:02:27.159 --> 02:02:29.720 in a similar fashion. So again we have to question 2236 02:02:29.760 --> 02:02:33.359 that source. But they had no use for gold, bro 2237 02:02:34.560 --> 02:02:36.560 I mean, see, I. 2238 02:02:36.439 --> 02:02:39.239 Didn't really hear too much about gold. Being Atlantis, I 2239 02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:40.479 always hear about crystals. 2240 02:02:42.439 --> 02:02:44.720 Actually, he doesn't really mention the crystals too much either. 2241 02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:49.960 He says that they had developed a high spirituality and 2242 02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:54.079 they had developed a high intellect to where they really 2243 02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:58.039 didn't have need or want of material possessions. They just 2244 02:02:58.079 --> 02:03:00.880 didn't they had it, they just didn't care about it. It 2245 02:03:00.920 --> 02:03:03.760 was a thing. So again that was just that. But 2246 02:03:03.840 --> 02:03:06.600 again this is one of those legends and myths quote 2247 02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:10.439 unquote that Plato Plato's generation would have recognized and understood, 2248 02:03:10.840 --> 02:03:14.359 even though this is retelling a story that again ninety 2249 02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:18.960 six hundred BC, he was born in three hundred something BC. 2250 02:03:19.119 --> 02:03:22.800 Now again one more time, let's hear an original source 2251 02:03:23.039 --> 02:03:27.720 from the book itselfentis. 2252 02:03:26.720 --> 02:03:30.359 And this he afterwards directed against our land for the 2253 02:03:30.359 --> 02:03:35.159 following reasons, as tradition tentis and this he afterwards directed 2254 02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:38.760 against our land for the following reasons, as tradition tells, 2255 02:03:39.680 --> 02:03:43.159 for many generations as long as the divine nature lasted 2256 02:03:43.279 --> 02:03:46.479 in them. They were obedient to the laws, and well 2257 02:03:46.520 --> 02:03:50.199 affectioned towards the God who seed they were, For they 2258 02:03:50.239 --> 02:03:55.239 possessed true and in every way great spirits, uniting gentleness 2259 02:03:55.279 --> 02:03:58.560 with wisdom, in the various chances of life, and in 2260 02:03:58.600 --> 02:04:03.239 the intercourse with one another. They despised everything but virtue, 2261 02:04:03.520 --> 02:04:06.319 caring little for their present state of life, and thinking 2262 02:04:06.439 --> 02:04:09.840 lightly of the possession of gold and other property, which 2263 02:04:10.520 --> 02:04:14.279 seemed only a burden to them. Neither were they intoxicated 2264 02:04:14.319 --> 02:04:17.960 by luxury, nor did wealth deprive them of their self control. 2265 02:04:18.199 --> 02:04:21.039 But they were sober and saw clearly that all of 2266 02:04:21.079 --> 02:04:25.119 these goods are increased by virtue and friendship with one another, 2267 02:04:25.479 --> 02:04:29.239 whereas by too great regard and respect for them they 2268 02:04:29.239 --> 02:04:34.119 are lost, and friendship with them. By such reflections, and 2269 02:04:34.199 --> 02:04:37.800 by the continuance in them of a divine nature, the 2270 02:04:37.960 --> 02:04:41.479 qualities which we have described grew and increased among them. 2271 02:04:42.119 --> 02:04:45.640 But when the divine portion began to fade away and 2272 02:04:45.720 --> 02:04:50.800 became diluted too often and too much with the mortal admixture, 2273 02:04:51.359 --> 02:04:54.520 and the human nature got the upper hand. They then, 2274 02:04:55.119 --> 02:05:00.359 being unable to bear their fortune, behaved unseemly and to 2275 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:03.600 him who had an eyed to see, grew visibly de based, 2276 02:05:04.439 --> 02:05:07.520 for they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts. 2277 02:05:07.920 --> 02:05:10.840 But to those who had no eye see the true happiness, 2278 02:05:11.239 --> 02:05:15.159 they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time they 2279 02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:20.079 were full of avarice and unrighteous power. Zeus, the god 2280 02:05:20.119 --> 02:05:23.840 of gods, who rules according to law and is able 2281 02:05:23.960 --> 02:05:27.800 to see into such things, perceiving that an honorable race 2282 02:05:27.960 --> 02:05:31.359 was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment 2283 02:05:31.439 --> 02:05:35.399 on them that they might be chastened and improve, collected 2284 02:05:35.479 --> 02:05:39.039 all the gods into the most holy habitation, which, being 2285 02:05:39.119 --> 02:05:42.840 placed in the center of the world, beholds all created things. 2286 02:05:43.600 --> 02:05:47.000 And when he had called them together, he spake as follows. 2287 02:05:49.239 --> 02:05:52.479 The rest of the dialog of Critius has been lost. 2288 02:05:53.000 --> 02:05:56.159 The rest of the dialogue of that conversation has been 2289 02:05:56.199 --> 02:06:00.760 lost to history. However, here's we can infer just off 2290 02:06:00.760 --> 02:06:04.920 of that real quick It is now understood why Plato 2291 02:06:05.199 --> 02:06:08.039 made this Atlantis to seem like a utopia that was 2292 02:06:08.079 --> 02:06:11.319 still under the reign of Zeus, because they were trying 2293 02:06:11.359 --> 02:06:16.439 to prove that Hellenic culture could stem from Atlantis. This 2294 02:06:16.920 --> 02:06:23.640 ancient mytholized legendized civilization of virtue who didn't want for 2295 02:06:23.720 --> 02:06:27.880 gold and possessions, but just from sheer spirituality and just 2296 02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:31.640 all things moral and good and wholesome, were able to 2297 02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:35.760 live this abundant, utopic life. But as soon as they 2298 02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:37.880 and again tell me if you've heard this story a 2299 02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:39.920 time or two, am I right? As soon as they 2300 02:06:39.920 --> 02:06:42.000 started getting little too big for their breeches and started 2301 02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:46.079 giving into their human ways, the gods or a god 2302 02:06:46.119 --> 02:06:48.760 had to get together to do something to stop them 2303 02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:52.720 in some way. Now was mentioned before the earthquake. So 2304 02:06:53.239 --> 02:06:56.399 Plato goes on and he mentions about an earthquake making 2305 02:06:56.479 --> 02:07:00.199 Atlantis slide off into the sea. Now that is where 2306 02:07:00.239 --> 02:07:03.439 it pretty much has been that entire time. Now, I 2307 02:07:03.439 --> 02:07:05.399 think it's pretty fair to say that, according to Plato, 2308 02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:09.439 the source of all sources. I might add, as far 2309 02:07:09.479 --> 02:07:14.880 as Atlantis is concerned, everybody mentions Plato. So with that mind, 2310 02:07:15.640 --> 02:07:18.399 I think it's pretty safe to say that the Alanteans 2311 02:07:18.399 --> 02:07:21.920 didn't care about gold or riches. And in the past 2312 02:07:21.960 --> 02:07:25.920 one hundred and fifty years we have quote unquote sources 2313 02:07:26.319 --> 02:07:30.319 that claim they needed gold. You can see why certain 2314 02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:34.399 people would roll their eyes when Atlantis gets brought up 2315 02:07:34.439 --> 02:07:37.760 because the true sources that are trying to dig in 2316 02:07:37.840 --> 02:07:40.680 and find ancient civilizations that may have had connections and 2317 02:07:40.720 --> 02:07:45.279 whatever are very little discussed. But a whole lot of 2318 02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:47.920 other theories that are spun off just in the last 2319 02:07:48.239 --> 02:07:52.399 century and a half two centuries arguably have taken everything 2320 02:07:52.399 --> 02:07:55.319 else by storm. And that's kind of where we've gotten to. 2321 02:07:55.439 --> 02:07:59.359 And that's why ignacious Donnelly was able to take this 2322 02:07:59.560 --> 02:08:03.000 work twisted into his own ideologies because there wasn't much 2323 02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:03.720 else to go on. 2324 02:08:04.479 --> 02:08:04.640 Now. 2325 02:08:04.680 --> 02:08:07.359 I just looked it up, and I know that many 2326 02:08:07.439 --> 02:08:10.319 people claim that the whole idea comes from Plato, but 2327 02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:12.439 I kind of want to give a little backstory as 2328 02:08:12.439 --> 02:08:15.359 to where Plato got all this information in the first place. 2329 02:08:15.760 --> 02:08:20.159 And I found it well kind of. It says that 2330 02:08:21.079 --> 02:08:24.159 he heard this talking about Plato, he heard the story 2331 02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:26.479 of Atlantis. This is on the History Channel, by the way, 2332 02:08:26.960 --> 02:08:28.880 But it says that he heard the story of Atlantis 2333 02:08:28.920 --> 02:08:32.000 from his grandfather, who had heard it from an Athenian 2334 02:08:32.079 --> 02:08:37.359 statesman salone, who existed three hundred years before Plato's time, 2335 02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:41.199 who had learned about it from an from an Egyptian 2336 02:08:41.239 --> 02:08:44.720 priest who said that it happened nine thousand years before that, 2337 02:08:45.359 --> 02:08:48.840 So like this is the most like hardcore game of 2338 02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:52.720 telephone of all time. You're talking about you hear from 2339 02:08:52.760 --> 02:08:55.119 an Athenian statesman. Well, you hear from your grandfather, who 2340 02:08:55.119 --> 02:08:58.119 heard it from an Athenian statesman, who heard it from 2341 02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:01.680 an Egyptian priest who said, yeah, that's a real story, 2342 02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:06.000 but it was nine thousand fucking years ago, right, like right, 2343 02:09:06.279 --> 02:09:09.199 you would have to imagine that if this stuff is absent, 2344 02:09:09.279 --> 02:09:11.920 like if it's not documented and it's something that was 2345 02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:15.920 just told like lingually, you know what I mean, Like 2346 02:09:16.079 --> 02:09:18.520 that something's going to be lost over the over the 2347 02:09:18.680 --> 02:09:20.479 you know, just vast time. 2348 02:09:21.359 --> 02:09:24.039 He heard it from his grandfather when he was nine 2349 02:09:24.159 --> 02:09:27.359 years old. He wrote about this before he died as 2350 02:09:27.399 --> 02:09:31.800 an old man, Okay, And his grandfather said he heard 2351 02:09:31.840 --> 02:09:33.520 it from, said he heard it from, said he heard 2352 02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:37.439 like yo, what And that is the source of all 2353 02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:40.119 sources as far as Atlantis is concerned. 2354 02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:44.960 I mean, look, it's it's something that could just be 2355 02:09:45.039 --> 02:09:48.079 a story, Like I don't know why it has to 2356 02:09:48.119 --> 02:09:51.000 be see, I'm I'm a little bit different. I don't 2357 02:09:51.000 --> 02:09:58.600 really care for you know, historical certain like landmarks and stuff. 2358 02:09:58.640 --> 02:09:58.840 Like that. 2359 02:09:59.039 --> 02:10:01.119 I think the story in of itself is cool. Why 2360 02:10:01.119 --> 02:10:02.520 does it have to be real? Why does it have 2361 02:10:02.560 --> 02:10:05.079 to be fake? Why did people care? Because nobody's gonna 2362 02:10:05.079 --> 02:10:07.680 find it? And if it does exist, well, if it 2363 02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:09.600 did exist, it certainly doesn't anymore. 2364 02:10:10.359 --> 02:10:12.760 Well that's the thing. You may not care, but the 2365 02:10:12.840 --> 02:10:15.359 Nazi sure did, and a lot of people with a 2366 02:10:15.359 --> 02:10:18.359 lot of power have looked for it very very heavily, 2367 02:10:18.760 --> 02:10:20.399 and so a lot of people have cared. 2368 02:10:20.479 --> 02:10:23.840 Dude, Well, I get it, but most people would probably care, 2369 02:10:24.039 --> 02:10:26.239 like the people that are searching for it, because they 2370 02:10:26.319 --> 02:10:30.000 want their names to go down in the annals of history, right, like, 2371 02:10:30.119 --> 02:10:33.199 and it would be cool to be associated as like 2372 02:10:33.640 --> 02:10:36.479 the guy who or the or the woman who have 2373 02:10:36.600 --> 02:10:40.600 found Atlantis or the lost remains of Atlantis. But as 2374 02:10:40.640 --> 02:10:43.760 far as I'm concerned, like, it's just a story, dude. 2375 02:10:44.199 --> 02:10:45.840 But a lot of people have used it to further 2376 02:10:45.880 --> 02:10:49.920 their political agendas and their racist ideologies. So real quick, 2377 02:10:50.000 --> 02:10:51.760 let's read. Let's hear a little bit more here au 2378 02:10:51.840 --> 02:10:54.560 Ton Shave Films. Again. I don't agree with his political stances, 2379 02:10:54.600 --> 02:10:56.520 but he does a very good job of breaking all 2380 02:10:56.560 --> 02:10:59.760 of this down. So, like, why do some people currently 2381 02:10:59.760 --> 02:11:03.840 see this whole Atlantis theory as racist as we just 2382 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:07.039 heard from Plato. If you look at the earliest sources 2383 02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:12.079 of Atlantis, there was no racism. There was cooperation in 2384 02:11:12.960 --> 02:11:16.920 utopia community type situation. So when and how did it 2385 02:11:17.079 --> 02:11:19.279 really really take this turn? 2386 02:11:20.439 --> 02:11:27.800 The Antidiluvian World casts an incredibly wide net examining archaeology, genetics, anthropology, linguistics, 2387 02:11:27.840 --> 02:11:30.359 you name it, and in yet another example of the 2388 02:11:30.439 --> 02:11:33.479 human mind's amazing ability to detect patterns that aren't there, 2389 02:11:34.239 --> 02:11:37.479 it makes the claim that not only did Atlantis exist, 2390 02:11:38.840 --> 02:11:41.920 but it colonized most of the planets, and after its 2391 02:11:41.960 --> 02:11:45.000 destruction in a flood about twelve thousand years ago, displaced 2392 02:11:45.039 --> 02:11:49.119 Atlanteans went on to found just about every civilization of 2393 02:11:49.159 --> 02:11:52.760 the ancient world. Ignatius Donnelly shaped pretty much every ancient 2394 02:11:52.840 --> 02:11:56.199 history conspiracy theory out there. For example, The Chariots of 2395 02:11:56.199 --> 02:12:00.520 the Gods, the book that kickstarted the whole Ancient Alien theory, 2396 02:12:00.920 --> 02:12:04.760 takes many of its finer points from ones that Donnelly 2397 02:12:04.800 --> 02:12:08.640 makes in the Antidiluvian World. Heinrich Himmler, too, owes Donnelly 2398 02:12:08.640 --> 02:12:11.439 a debt of gratitude. Though Donnelly was progressive for his time. 2399 02:12:11.479 --> 02:12:15.520 In many ways, his feverish scribblings about the Atlantean origin 2400 02:12:15.560 --> 02:12:18.199 of human races found a cozy home in the racist 2401 02:12:18.279 --> 02:12:22.960 pseudohistory promoted by Nazi archaeology. Donnelly wrote The Antidiluvian World 2402 02:12:23.039 --> 02:12:27.640 and its spectacularly titled sequel Ragnarok The Age of Fire 2403 02:12:27.760 --> 02:12:30.279 and Gravel, at the tail end of the nineteenth century, 2404 02:12:30.279 --> 02:12:34.520 when the Western world was undergoing an intellectual and scientific upheaval. 2405 02:12:34.920 --> 02:12:38.600 Modern medicine pretty much came about during this period. Electricity 2406 02:12:38.640 --> 02:12:40.760 became an everyday part of life, and so did everything 2407 02:12:40.760 --> 02:12:43.159 else they came with it, like telephones and the movies. 2408 02:12:43.239 --> 02:12:45.880 But not everything was sunshine and puppies. It was the 2409 02:12:45.920 --> 02:12:50.039 Gilded Age after all, and wealth inequality was truly staggering. 2410 02:12:50.239 --> 02:12:52.079 Like we think we've got it bad now, But honestly, 2411 02:12:52.079 --> 02:12:54.239 I think the Vanderbilts could teach elon musket thing or 2412 02:12:54.239 --> 02:12:57.319 two about extravagance for God's sake. I mean, I've been 2413 02:12:57.359 --> 02:13:00.279 to ancient Roman palaces that were less opulent than the 2414 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:01.239 robber Baron. 2415 02:13:01.039 --> 02:13:02.520 Mansions in Newport, Rhode Island. 2416 02:13:02.680 --> 02:13:04.760 The turn of the twentieth century was also perhaps the 2417 02:13:04.760 --> 02:13:09.119 most intensely racist period in human history. Eugenics were widely 2418 02:13:09.159 --> 02:13:14.199 implemented and embraced by mainstream science. European anti semites proposed 2419 02:13:14.239 --> 02:13:18.119 theories of racial hygiene, and here in America anti miscegination 2420 02:13:18.239 --> 02:13:21.640 laws designed to keep blacks and whites from intermarrying followed 2421 02:13:21.640 --> 02:13:24.920 the Supreme Court case of Plus versus Ferguson, which kicked 2422 02:13:24.960 --> 02:13:28.399 off five decades of legal segregation nationwide. 2423 02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:29.840 Here in the good old Us of A. 2424 02:13:30.159 --> 02:13:33.159 Of course, racial hygiene inspired those goose deepping morons we 2425 02:13:33.239 --> 02:13:36.039 love to hate, but unfortunately its legacy has lasted a 2426 02:13:36.079 --> 02:13:38.520 whole lot longer than that, and one of the ways 2427 02:13:38.520 --> 02:13:42.840 that it manifests is through Ancient Aliens, Atlantis, and conspiracy 2428 02:13:42.880 --> 02:13:46.119 theories about ancient civilizations. Much is made of the racist 2429 02:13:46.199 --> 02:13:49.199 premise of the show Ancient Aliens, and for good reason. 2430 02:13:50.279 --> 02:13:52.680 With the possible exception of Stonehenge, it never seems to 2431 02:13:52.800 --> 02:13:57.119 argue that aliens were responsible for ancient European achievements, but 2432 02:13:57.319 --> 02:13:59.960 it does seem to be obsessed with proving that extra 2433 02:14:00.079 --> 02:14:05.239 terrestrials are behind all of the African, Asian and indigenous 2434 02:14:05.239 --> 02:14:09.640 monuments and technologies throughout all of human history. 2435 02:14:09.800 --> 02:14:11.000 There's a simple reason for this. 2436 02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:14.399 Ancient Aliens is an intellectual descendant of the theory that 2437 02:14:14.439 --> 02:14:18.199 I like to call ancient Aryans, which basically goes like this, 2438 02:14:18.760 --> 02:14:22.439 All the great civilizations of the ancient world were founded 2439 02:14:22.479 --> 02:14:27.079 by expat Northern Europeans, and these empires fell because these 2440 02:14:27.119 --> 02:14:30.640 pure Aryan superman gave into the temptation of race mixing, 2441 02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:34.439 which is a disgusting idea, but more importantly, it's very 2442 02:14:34.479 --> 02:14:38.640 obviously untrue based on mountains of genetic and archaeological evidence. 2443 02:14:38.800 --> 02:14:44.319 All these conspiracies are symbiotic and related. Whether it's Donnelly, Himmler, Hancock, 2444 02:14:44.439 --> 02:14:48.159 or the History Channel. They may have differences in the details, 2445 02:14:48.399 --> 02:14:51.119 they may wear different skins, some may come in a 2446 02:14:51.159 --> 02:14:54.600 more pleasing shape than others, but make no mistake, they're 2447 02:14:54.640 --> 02:14:58.319 all branches of the same wacky tree. So we're seeing 2448 02:14:58.319 --> 02:15:01.199 as the reemergence of century old theories, often based in 2449 02:15:01.239 --> 02:15:05.279 social Darwinism, conveniently repackaged for the twenty first century Internet. 2450 02:15:06.439 --> 02:15:09.520 Okay, So, like I said, I don't necessarily agree with 2451 02:15:09.680 --> 02:15:13.520 everything that the man says. However, as far as how 2452 02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:17.560 and why people see the thought process of Atlantis to 2453 02:15:17.720 --> 02:15:21.600 be a racist one, that is the narrative that they spin. 2454 02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:26.399 Okay, I guess I never looked at it from that angle. 2455 02:15:26.720 --> 02:15:31.319 I never really thought that people would suggest that because 2456 02:15:31.359 --> 02:15:36.399 there are these crazy structures to not be able to 2457 02:15:37.039 --> 02:15:41.079 give credit to possibly the people in those regions building. 2458 02:15:40.840 --> 02:15:43.760 Them, which exactly what it is to be fair. 2459 02:15:44.840 --> 02:15:48.760 I mean, I get that angle, But I also it's like, 2460 02:15:49.920 --> 02:15:55.399 do the people of Giza do they know exactly where 2461 02:15:55.439 --> 02:15:57.800 the pyramids come from? Or are they just as distraught 2462 02:15:57.840 --> 02:15:59.000 as everybody else in the world. 2463 02:16:00.079 --> 02:16:02.920 Know one has an answer to those That's what I'm saying. 2464 02:16:03.079 --> 02:16:05.000 Like they were built, how they moved the rocks and 2465 02:16:05.039 --> 02:16:07.000 cut the stones, Yeah, they have answers for that, but 2466 02:16:07.600 --> 02:16:10.520 how they actually constructed them as perfectly as they did 2467 02:16:10.880 --> 02:16:13.000 lined up with the stars on the spot, with the 2468 02:16:13.560 --> 02:16:17.000 magnetics and that, like, no one knows that. Now the 2469 02:16:17.039 --> 02:16:19.720 other pyramids we know how they built, they have record. 2470 02:16:20.760 --> 02:16:26.279 Yeah, But also it's it's not always that the European shit. 2471 02:16:27.399 --> 02:16:31.960 There are certain European like structures and monuments that are 2472 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:37.000 not just automatically assumed to be built by Europeans. I 2473 02:16:37.040 --> 02:16:38.879 mean stone Hinge. 2474 02:16:39.399 --> 02:16:41.680 That's what he's saying. Except for Stone Hinge, like that's 2475 02:16:41.719 --> 02:16:43.600 one that they do bring up. But like other than 2476 02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:46.159 that name a European thing that they mentioned. I mean, 2477 02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:49.360 all the crop circles are usually over in Europe, but 2478 02:16:49.360 --> 02:16:52.239 that's not ancient, that's not ancient civilization talk. 2479 02:16:54.639 --> 02:16:56.879 Well, I guess just Europe doesn't have as much cool 2480 02:16:56.879 --> 02:16:59.639 shit as Africa does. I mean, I mean, that's the 2481 02:16:59.680 --> 02:17:03.079 way I look at it, like Africa has. I mean 2482 02:17:04.079 --> 02:17:06.559 a lot of people believe that that's where first man 2483 02:17:07.159 --> 02:17:11.280 came from was from, right, and so you know, how 2484 02:17:11.319 --> 02:17:13.639 are we gonna be able to I don't know. I 2485 02:17:14.319 --> 02:17:17.719 see both angles on this, but I'm not what he's. 2486 02:17:17.600 --> 02:17:20.760 Saying is that aside from ancient aliens. Right when donaldy 2487 02:17:20.840 --> 02:17:22.600 was writing this, I don't know if Donnelly believed in 2488 02:17:22.639 --> 02:17:26.280 extraterrestrial life, I don't know, but let's just assume that 2489 02:17:26.360 --> 02:17:29.360 he didn't, because most people didn't at that time, right, 2490 02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:33.040 So I mean maybe they thought about it and had conversation, 2491 02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:35.360 but no one gave that like deep thought and wrote 2492 02:17:35.399 --> 02:17:38.639 about it, not often, not until the twenties, honestly. 2493 02:17:38.799 --> 02:17:41.360 I mean, is there any structure over in Europe outside 2494 02:17:41.399 --> 02:17:43.479 of Stonehenge that is like. 2495 02:17:43.520 --> 02:17:46.520 Pre dates history, Well, like we just brought up the 2496 02:17:46.559 --> 02:17:49.319 one in Germany that honestly, I didn't know about before 2497 02:17:49.360 --> 02:17:50.559 we started this episode. 2498 02:17:52.680 --> 02:17:56.840 Okay, well and answerstein whatever. And they're the ones that 2499 02:17:56.879 --> 02:17:59.639 are attesting that it well, not not that he. 2500 02:18:00.120 --> 02:18:03.360 Is Atlantis exactly Atlantis. I mean, they're saying that it 2501 02:18:03.399 --> 02:18:07.719 was Atlantis exactly. So Donnelly's not saying that everything came 2502 02:18:07.719 --> 02:18:10.600 from Aliens. He's saying that it all came from Atlantis, 2503 02:18:10.920 --> 02:18:15.520 who clearly were white because they were where Greece came from, 2504 02:18:15.799 --> 02:18:18.639 and Greece is where Rome came from, and Rome is 2505 02:18:18.639 --> 02:18:21.200 where the Catholic Church came from, and that's where civilization 2506 02:18:21.440 --> 02:18:22.920 bah bah bah bu up. But it goes down this 2507 02:18:23.000 --> 02:18:25.200 whole spiral. Hmm. 2508 02:18:26.559 --> 02:18:27.319 It's interesting. 2509 02:18:28.319 --> 02:18:31.879 So keep in mind he saw about Atlantis colonizing the world. 2510 02:18:32.399 --> 02:18:36.559 Colonialism is typically associated with racism because that's how it's 2511 02:18:36.600 --> 02:18:39.879 been done in the past. It's not exclusively you can 2512 02:18:40.000 --> 02:18:42.200 have a colony with people that look just like you. 2513 02:18:42.280 --> 02:18:45.200 That's a thing that has happened. Look at how America was, 2514 02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:49.239 the Thirteen Colonies of Britain, just throwing it out, But 2515 02:18:49.840 --> 02:18:54.840 typically colonialism is rooted in racism and at the very 2516 02:18:54.920 --> 02:18:58.920 least inequality. So basically what he is saying is that 2517 02:18:59.040 --> 02:19:03.639 the ignacious Donnelle's story of Atlantis Onward through the Future, 2518 02:19:03.879 --> 02:19:08.360 or anybody who references Donnelly is referencing a bad source, 2519 02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:12.280 and that I can at least agree with, because Donnelly 2520 02:19:12.520 --> 02:19:16.479 wasn't a source. He never traveled to any of these places. 2521 02:19:16.840 --> 02:19:19.719 He never you know, it's not listed that he was 2522 02:19:19.760 --> 02:19:21.920 some sort of a big fan of the Greek classics 2523 02:19:21.920 --> 02:19:24.399 and like was a diehard Plato fan. He wrote a 2524 02:19:24.440 --> 02:19:27.399 book about how Shakespeare wasn't a real dude, and people 2525 02:19:27.520 --> 02:19:30.520 have gone to take that as a real shit. I'm 2526 02:19:30.559 --> 02:19:33.719 just saying, there's there's all kinds of things that he 2527 02:19:33.799 --> 02:19:36.879 wrote down the same way that another guy wrote down 2528 02:19:36.879 --> 02:19:38.559 a bunch of shit, And there's some cults that have 2529 02:19:38.639 --> 02:19:41.000 started after that, the same way that a guy wrote 2530 02:19:41.040 --> 02:19:43.280 down some shit in the Nation of Islam has started. 2531 02:19:43.600 --> 02:19:44.719 There's tons of this. 2532 02:19:45.440 --> 02:19:50.120 But do you necessarily do you necessarily throw everything like 2533 02:19:50.159 --> 02:19:53.920 the baby out with the bathwater. Whenever you discredit somebody 2534 02:19:54.079 --> 02:19:56.600 for one thing that they said or a couple of 2535 02:19:56.600 --> 02:19:59.680 things that they said, does that automatically discredit every single 2536 02:19:59.719 --> 02:20:00.559 thing that they said. 2537 02:20:01.440 --> 02:20:05.239 When you take the entire literary work instead of just 2538 02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:08.719 the small excerpts of things that people take to clearly 2539 02:20:08.760 --> 02:20:11.239 mean dot dot dot instead of all the negative in 2540 02:20:11.280 --> 02:20:14.479 the All right, if the book is over, half bad shit. 2541 02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:18.520 Is it because he only referenced one part. 2542 02:20:19.079 --> 02:20:21.639 Oh no, no, he I only played a small part 2543 02:20:21.879 --> 02:20:23.760 like it's not good. 2544 02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:27.680 It's all throughout like that kind of shit. Savages and what. 2545 02:20:27.879 --> 02:20:32.079 He goes back and forth between calling certain groups savages, 2546 02:20:32.479 --> 02:20:33.959 but then like towards the end of the book, he 2547 02:20:34.000 --> 02:20:37.520 pretty much just said fuck it and just was going off. 2548 02:20:37.600 --> 02:20:39.600 Keep in mind, he was known to be a foul 2549 02:20:39.639 --> 02:20:42.959 mouthed orator when he was in Congress, when he was 2550 02:20:43.319 --> 02:20:47.319 rolling with the big timers here, when DC was getting 2551 02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:50.280 into bed with big business and he got bribed with 2552 02:20:50.479 --> 02:20:54.520 stock bonds for a railroad company, right all that going down, 2553 02:20:55.319 --> 02:20:57.520 He was known as the guy that you didn't want 2554 02:20:57.559 --> 02:21:00.399 on the mic because he would cuss too much. So 2555 02:21:00.479 --> 02:21:03.719 whenever he decided to start saying fuck it towards certain 2556 02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:09.440 groups of unevolved people, yeah no, he went off the 2557 02:21:09.479 --> 02:21:12.959 rails deep. Then the Ragnarok book pretty much played off 2558 02:21:12.959 --> 02:21:16.239 of that vibe moving forward. His last book that was 2559 02:21:16.280 --> 02:21:19.639 mentioned was the whole Freaky Friday Black White Swap thing, 2560 02:21:19.639 --> 02:21:23.040 which was littered with it and like that was the intent, 2561 02:21:23.440 --> 02:21:27.799 but also, like bro, I looked at a small excerpt 2562 02:21:27.879 --> 02:21:30.159 of it, I'm gonna I'm just gonna spare you the details. 2563 02:21:30.159 --> 02:21:31.760 It's not like, oh, there's tones of the word in 2564 02:21:31.879 --> 02:21:35.319 word and that. No, no, it's not it's not good 2565 02:21:35.520 --> 02:21:39.840 at all. So and I'm not saying that Donnelly throw 2566 02:21:39.920 --> 02:21:43.239 him out. And yes, anybody who's sourcing him can throw 2567 02:21:43.280 --> 02:21:45.479 the baby out with the bathwater, because they're referencing a 2568 02:21:45.559 --> 02:21:48.079 dude who had no information and made this all up 2569 02:21:48.120 --> 02:21:49.120 one day and wrote it down. 2570 02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:53.319 Yeah, that checks out. I could say that now I 2571 02:21:53.719 --> 02:21:56.000 have referenced Atlantis a lot, and I never heard this 2572 02:21:56.120 --> 02:21:59.120 guy's name. That's not to say that anything that I 2573 02:21:59.159 --> 02:22:02.680 know about it Lantis doesn't come from that. I'm sure 2574 02:22:02.680 --> 02:22:05.600 that a lot of it does source from that. But yeah, 2575 02:22:05.680 --> 02:22:07.399 I guess, you know, if the guy was a piece 2576 02:22:07.440 --> 02:22:10.239 of shit, I guess we should probably stop referencing, you know, 2577 02:22:10.280 --> 02:22:10.959 what he was saying. 2578 02:22:11.000 --> 02:22:14.040 Then now there are, like I said, other mentions of 2579 02:22:14.079 --> 02:22:18.719 Atlantis before the shit hit. Now we can believe or 2580 02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:24.360 not believe that the priest and the photographer found some 2581 02:22:24.440 --> 02:22:27.799 real connections between the hieroglyphs and the pyramid structures and 2582 02:22:28.120 --> 02:22:32.600 the fact that the Aztec Maine city was built in 2583 02:22:32.719 --> 02:22:35.280 rings like that in the middle of a pond, very 2584 02:22:35.319 --> 02:22:37.479 similar to the rings of Atlantis, and like you're drawing 2585 02:22:37.520 --> 02:22:40.639 these connections, like Okay, that's a conversation I want to have. 2586 02:22:41.159 --> 02:22:44.159 That's the shit that's unexplainable to like hold on. Your 2587 02:22:44.200 --> 02:22:46.840 boy may have been onto something, maybe in the wrong direction, 2588 02:22:47.000 --> 02:22:50.760 but like, let's talk. Then you look at you can't 2589 02:22:50.760 --> 02:22:53.639 even use Plato as a source, even though everyone does. 2590 02:22:54.840 --> 02:22:58.000 No one understands the distance of time between the quote 2591 02:22:58.079 --> 02:23:00.760 unquote true events and when Plato is speaks them. But again, 2592 02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:05.079 this is why context is so important when reading history. 2593 02:23:05.479 --> 02:23:09.159 The same way that the story of Achilles and Odysseus, 2594 02:23:09.479 --> 02:23:12.319 the Iliad and the Odyssey, all of that was a 2595 02:23:12.399 --> 02:23:15.559 lead up to the Illusion. If I'm not mistaken, that 2596 02:23:15.600 --> 02:23:17.239 was the name of it, or the Illyrian, which is 2597 02:23:17.280 --> 02:23:20.440 basically the story of Once Troy fell homeboy took the 2598 02:23:20.479 --> 02:23:23.239 sword of Troy and founded what we now know is Rome. 2599 02:23:24.239 --> 02:23:26.879 Because his sons became Romulus and Remus, or if not 2600 02:23:26.920 --> 02:23:29.000 his sons a part of the party that escaped from 2601 02:23:29.000 --> 02:23:31.879 the city of Troy. That was the connection to all 2602 02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:34.840 of the ancients and the gods and everything that the 2603 02:23:34.959 --> 02:23:38.799 Romans clung to. The Greeks had something along these lines, 2604 02:23:39.479 --> 02:23:42.280 and before them they had it. Before them, they had it. 2605 02:23:42.319 --> 02:23:45.079 And I mean, the game of telephone goes on and on. 2606 02:23:45.479 --> 02:23:50.879 So is Atlantis racist? No? Now, I don't believe that 2607 02:23:50.879 --> 02:23:54.719 Atlantis the thought process of Atlantis being a place of 2608 02:23:54.799 --> 02:23:57.920 ancient history that has been lost to time. No, I 2609 02:23:57.959 --> 02:24:00.799 do not believe that this is a racist hill to 2610 02:24:00.920 --> 02:24:04.879 die on by any means. However, we need to make 2611 02:24:04.920 --> 02:24:08.120 sure that we are not sourcing our information and not you. 2612 02:24:08.159 --> 02:24:10.000 And I I'm saying to all the cult members out 2613 02:24:10.000 --> 02:24:11.719 there and to everybody listening at this is your first 2614 02:24:11.760 --> 02:24:13.840 time listening, you're like, bro, what like, hear me out? 2615 02:24:13.879 --> 02:24:17.000 Hear me out. It is on us at this time 2616 02:24:17.079 --> 02:24:20.159 to do our own research. We are in the age 2617 02:24:20.200 --> 02:24:24.639 of information. This whole episode spun off because I was 2618 02:24:24.680 --> 02:24:27.719 watching the Disney movie with my children and they asked 2619 02:24:27.719 --> 02:24:29.360 me a question and I clicked on one thing that 2620 02:24:29.440 --> 02:24:31.159 led me to another thing that led me to all 2621 02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:35.600 of this. I'm telling y'all, we are in a crazy 2622 02:24:35.680 --> 02:24:39.159 time in human history where we literally can find out 2623 02:24:39.479 --> 02:24:43.399 anything we want in a moment's notice. However, that also 2624 02:24:43.440 --> 02:24:46.799 means that we can find a bunch of incorrect information instantly, 2625 02:24:47.079 --> 02:24:49.399 and as a matter of fact, there is more incorrect 2626 02:24:49.399 --> 02:24:53.040 information circulating than correct information. It is on us to 2627 02:24:53.120 --> 02:24:57.239 test the source and do your due diligence, find the context, 2628 02:24:57.280 --> 02:25:00.639 find the real meaning behind everything. If you're taking the 2629 02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:04.600 story as some sort of a moral lesson, and you're 2630 02:25:04.639 --> 02:25:06.639 taking it as a myth, and you're taking it as 2631 02:25:06.680 --> 02:25:08.440 something that you can apply to your life, and maybe 2632 02:25:08.479 --> 02:25:11.799 you're made better for doing so, Gucci, good for you. 2633 02:25:11.879 --> 02:25:14.520 That's wonderful if you can read to Kill a Mockingbird 2634 02:25:14.879 --> 02:25:17.920 and take from that a positive message in some way, 2635 02:25:17.920 --> 02:25:20.680 shape or form. Brother, good on you. I am happy 2636 02:25:21.719 --> 02:25:22.520 whoever's listening. 2637 02:25:23.280 --> 02:25:25.719 That book was fucking weak, by the way, I. 2638 02:25:25.760 --> 02:25:28.520 Remember really a fifteen year old, so I mean, I 2639 02:25:28.559 --> 02:25:31.799 get it. But still it did one of them awards 2640 02:25:31.840 --> 02:25:33.959 and was a best seller. Girl didn't even graduate high 2641 02:25:34.000 --> 02:25:35.200 school was killing it. But whatever. 2642 02:25:35.319 --> 02:25:37.799 I mean, good for her, but not my flavor. 2643 02:25:37.959 --> 02:25:39.159 But it's a slow reader. 2644 02:25:39.200 --> 02:25:42.879 But anyway, Yeah, I think that the point that you're 2645 02:25:42.879 --> 02:25:46.079 trying to make is is that if you're somebody who 2646 02:25:46.159 --> 02:25:49.280 absolutely believes that Atlantis was a real place. That's cool, 2647 02:25:49.760 --> 02:25:54.000 But just understand that if you if you're really trying 2648 02:25:54.079 --> 02:25:57.079 to kind of like fact check yourself, then you would 2649 02:25:57.200 --> 02:26:00.600 have to go back and read, you know, your boy story, 2650 02:26:00.879 --> 02:26:05.079 so that that way your image isn't pulling from this 2651 02:26:05.200 --> 02:26:07.520 guy's image of what Atlantis was. 2652 02:26:08.319 --> 02:26:10.360 Then they got these guys that are writing about hybrid 2653 02:26:10.360 --> 02:26:13.559 diffusion in the sixties, and that whole story spun off 2654 02:26:13.600 --> 02:26:16.520 and that had claims to Atlantis. Then you had your boy, 2655 02:26:16.840 --> 02:26:20.200 doctor Doriel writing about some other shit that took place 2656 02:26:20.200 --> 02:26:22.719 from Atlantis, and there was connections that were drawn because 2657 02:26:22.760 --> 02:26:25.399 he had gone to Egypt and found it. And it's like, no, 2658 02:26:26.200 --> 02:26:28.760 that's not, like, what are you talking about. The earliest 2659 02:26:28.760 --> 02:26:33.639 source that everybody is mentioning was not necessarily making it up. 2660 02:26:34.040 --> 02:26:38.079 But at the same time, Plato didn't even know anything 2661 02:26:38.079 --> 02:26:40.600 about Atlantis. He had heard something from a guy who 2662 02:26:40.680 --> 02:26:43.479 he felt was honest, and so on and so forth. 2663 02:26:44.319 --> 02:26:48.360 So if you want to believe that Atlantis might have 2664 02:26:48.520 --> 02:26:52.360 been a real place, that's fine. There is almost no 2665 02:26:52.559 --> 02:26:56.639 evidence at all whatsoever that can be truly sourced or 2666 02:26:56.680 --> 02:27:00.680 even slightly fact checked with any kind of cipher or sift. 2667 02:27:00.760 --> 02:27:04.319 Excuse me to show that there ever was, And as 2668 02:27:04.319 --> 02:27:07.120 a matter of fact, there's been more than a few 2669 02:27:07.360 --> 02:27:11.120 archaeological experts who have come forward and said that there 2670 02:27:11.200 --> 02:27:17.000 is literally no signs of advanced life outside of a 2671 02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:22.079 few small hunter gatherer civilizations and maybe some medium sized 2672 02:27:22.200 --> 02:27:26.280 villages prior to ancient Egypt that we know of. 2673 02:27:27.399 --> 02:27:31.079 Depending on what you call technology. We got to make a. 2674 02:27:31.040 --> 02:27:34.000 Stone knife, I call technology. That is something that I 2675 02:27:34.040 --> 02:27:36.719 cannot recreate. Although the information is out there and I 2676 02:27:36.719 --> 02:27:38.600 could get into flint napping right now. It's a real 2677 02:27:38.639 --> 02:27:40.840 thing that has lost technology. 2678 02:27:40.840 --> 02:27:44.760 To Jacob, like Jonathan, the pyramids are technology, you know 2679 02:27:44.840 --> 02:27:47.680 what I mean? Depending on how they were used, they 2680 02:27:47.680 --> 02:27:49.479 could have been technology. I mean, it could have just 2681 02:27:49.520 --> 02:27:50.639 been a temple for all we know. 2682 02:27:51.200 --> 02:27:53.799 Same with stone Hinge, right, we don't know. We think 2683 02:27:53.840 --> 02:27:55.600 it was a calendar and a place of worship. Bro 2684 02:27:55.719 --> 02:27:58.000 that might have been we don't know. We have no idea. 2685 02:27:58.399 --> 02:28:01.680 So I'm not saying that there's no chance that Atlantis 2686 02:28:01.719 --> 02:28:04.600 was real. I personally believe that there is probably something 2687 02:28:04.600 --> 02:28:07.360 that predates. There's probably a kernel of truth to what 2688 02:28:07.360 --> 02:28:09.920 Plato was talking about, or that his grandfather told him. 2689 02:28:10.120 --> 02:28:12.600 I believe that one hundred percent and I really hope 2690 02:28:12.600 --> 02:28:14.319 that we discover it one day. And as a matter 2691 02:28:14.360 --> 02:28:16.719 of fact, the more I look into that site in Spain, 2692 02:28:16.760 --> 02:28:19.000 the more excited I get. But neither here nor there. 2693 02:28:19.680 --> 02:28:21.239 And then you also look at the fact that we 2694 02:28:21.280 --> 02:28:24.159 had that giant crystal under the mud at the mouth 2695 02:28:24.159 --> 02:28:27.959 of the Mississippi River, which has its own crazy story 2696 02:28:28.000 --> 02:28:30.280 that we don't know because we can't get to it 2697 02:28:30.319 --> 02:28:34.920 to explore it. So look, I'm not saying there's no chance. 2698 02:28:35.559 --> 02:28:37.959 I'm saying that the story that we have been told 2699 02:28:38.079 --> 02:28:41.600 our entire lives is completely based in fallacy, and we 2700 02:28:41.680 --> 02:28:44.040 need to be careful with the sources we use to 2701 02:28:44.040 --> 02:28:47.319 make sure that they were not using that platform and 2702 02:28:47.520 --> 02:28:52.360 the source that we'd be calling itself to push horrible agendas. 2703 02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:53.520 That's all I'm saying. 2704 02:28:53.520 --> 02:28:57.440 Good cult members, Yeah, I mean, if it's founded in 2705 02:28:58.079 --> 02:29:00.959 racist bigotry or whatever, you know, it's. 2706 02:29:00.840 --> 02:29:02.600 Like throw it out, baby in bathwater. 2707 02:29:02.920 --> 02:29:05.399 Can't do it, can't do it. Sorry, you know. 2708 02:29:05.719 --> 02:29:09.239 I I was I was hoping with an a legend 2709 02:29:09.280 --> 02:29:11.600 that is like spurned on the culture and gave a 2710 02:29:11.600 --> 02:29:14.959 story and a moral and then like hey, all right, 2711 02:29:15.760 --> 02:29:20.000 I mean, look if both coming from Atlantis is a 2712 02:29:20.079 --> 02:29:24.040 story that you can pull some some solid wisdom from 2713 02:29:24.920 --> 02:29:28.280 then use it as that. If you want to talk 2714 02:29:28.319 --> 02:29:32.879 about how everybody from Atlantis was white with blonde hair 2715 02:29:33.000 --> 02:29:36.040 and blue eyes and they're the ultimate rate use for 2716 02:29:36.200 --> 02:29:42.360 gold whatsoever, it just seems ridiculous. So anyway, Yeah, I 2717 02:29:42.360 --> 02:29:44.399 mean this was this was pretty cool. 2718 02:29:44.520 --> 02:29:44.680 You know. 2719 02:29:44.840 --> 02:29:48.440 I think that there's there's just as much of a 2720 02:29:48.520 --> 02:29:54.319 possibility that Atlantians existed nine thousand years ago as much 2721 02:29:54.440 --> 02:30:01.840 as there is every humanoid being a bigfoot nine thousand 2722 02:30:01.920 --> 02:30:05.120 years ago, Like they're both equally possible because nobody has 2723 02:30:05.120 --> 02:30:07.479 a fucking clue what was going on nine thousand years ago. 2724 02:30:08.040 --> 02:30:10.120 Yes, indeed, And I did like the fact that, like 2725 02:30:10.159 --> 02:30:12.840 even Plato is mentioning these things that couldn't be fact 2726 02:30:12.920 --> 02:30:16.440 checked as a way to be cryptic. I'm like, look 2727 02:30:16.479 --> 02:30:19.520 at this TikToker from way back when to just hitting 2728 02:30:19.559 --> 02:30:21.719 it at the information real quick and then dipping out 2729 02:30:21.760 --> 02:30:23.559 before anybody could question it. And I'm not saying it 2730 02:30:23.639 --> 02:30:25.719 to shit on him. I'm saying it like he said 2731 02:30:25.760 --> 02:30:29.399 it as a story and storytelling is cool as hell, 2732 02:30:29.559 --> 02:30:32.600 and there's an artistry to it, so like I'm giving props, 2733 02:30:32.719 --> 02:30:33.440 you know what, I mean. 2734 02:30:34.319 --> 02:30:38.120 Like, so, I guess my My last question is is 2735 02:30:38.159 --> 02:30:41.079 that whenever Plato is writing his whole story about Atlantis, 2736 02:30:41.600 --> 02:30:44.760 is he writing it as if it is fact or 2737 02:30:44.840 --> 02:30:47.440 is he filling in some blanks, you know, to try 2738 02:30:47.440 --> 02:30:48.719 and make the story sound cooler. 2739 02:30:50.040 --> 02:30:53.319 He was filling in blanks with things that his grandfather 2740 02:30:53.399 --> 02:30:53.879 told him. 2741 02:30:53.920 --> 02:30:58.360 But that's that's understood. Or is do you think that 2742 02:30:58.639 --> 02:31:01.200 he believed every word that he wrote? Is my question. 2743 02:31:01.760 --> 02:31:05.239 He literally believed that all mythology was stupid and that 2744 02:31:05.360 --> 02:31:08.360 all myths were based in bullshit. Well, there we go, 2745 02:31:09.399 --> 02:31:13.600 that's the myth of Atlantis and not like Bro, he 2746 02:31:13.639 --> 02:31:14.959 didn't fucking believe. 2747 02:31:14.639 --> 02:31:18.239 In shit right right, And I actually looked it up earlier. 2748 02:31:18.319 --> 02:31:21.000 He was actually into paganism so. 2749 02:31:21.239 --> 02:31:24.200 Well, I mean he was Greek, Like he referenced Zeus 2750 02:31:24.239 --> 02:31:26.520 being the cause of Atlantis slipping off into the sea, 2751 02:31:26.559 --> 02:31:30.079 so like, he absolutely worshiped the gods. Yes, but he 2752 02:31:30.120 --> 02:31:34.159 even saw that as a fallacy. It's unprovable, so he 2753 02:31:34.280 --> 02:31:36.520 used that to his advantage. Like he wasn't dumb. 2754 02:31:37.040 --> 02:31:40.840 He well in that I agree with him. Yeah, I 2755 02:31:40.879 --> 02:31:43.719 think that you can use certain gods and goddesses and 2756 02:31:43.719 --> 02:31:46.799 stuff like that to your subconscious advantage whenever your meditation, 2757 02:31:46.920 --> 02:31:51.200 YadA YadA. But I don't know a lot of It's 2758 02:31:51.319 --> 02:31:55.559 just myth, you know, no doubt. But anyway, yeah, this 2759 02:31:55.719 --> 02:31:56.079 was fun. 2760 02:31:56.159 --> 02:31:56.399 I was. 2761 02:31:56.520 --> 02:31:58.879 I enjoyed this one. There was a lot of hard words, 2762 02:31:59.399 --> 02:32:00.639 but I liked it. 2763 02:32:01.239 --> 02:32:03.440 I didn't think there'd be so many French words when 2764 02:32:03.440 --> 02:32:07.319 I started digging and then I saw that, I was like, whoa, whoa, Okay, 2765 02:32:07.479 --> 02:32:09.719 France has weighed in on Atlantis. 2766 02:32:11.040 --> 02:32:13.559 Yeah, yeah, it's a whole thing on Plato was probably 2767 02:32:13.559 --> 02:32:15.719 one of those guys that was Uh did he ever 2768 02:32:15.719 --> 02:32:17.079 get a statue made of himself? 2769 02:32:18.120 --> 02:32:22.840 I don't know. I don't know of himself. I mean, you 2770 02:32:22.879 --> 02:32:24.959 know people wrote about him after his death. 2771 02:32:24.760 --> 02:32:26.920 And all, not of himself. But you know what I mean, like, 2772 02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:28.959 did anybody ever erect That's funny. 2773 02:32:29.040 --> 02:32:31.920 There's a there's paintings of him. I know Michael Angelo 2774 02:32:32.079 --> 02:32:34.280 and if I'm not mistaken, Leonard da Vinci both did 2775 02:32:34.319 --> 02:32:36.440 paintings of him. But I mean that was in the 2776 02:32:36.479 --> 02:32:39.319 Renaissance and we're talking about he lived in three hundred BC, 2777 02:32:39.520 --> 02:32:41.440 so it's like a right. 2778 02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:43.399 The only reason I say that is is like if 2779 02:32:43.399 --> 02:32:45.879 he was a smart guy back then maybe he had 2780 02:32:45.879 --> 02:32:46.639 a little we wii. 2781 02:32:47.680 --> 02:32:50.479 Oh that's right, because big Dick's through seen as a 2782 02:32:50.520 --> 02:32:54.000 sign of stupidity. So it's very possible that your boy was, uh, 2783 02:32:54.200 --> 02:32:56.559 well hung like a well I was, they hung like 2784 02:32:56.559 --> 02:32:59.239 a field mouse. But you know that's per body size 2785 02:32:59.280 --> 02:33:01.559 that's different like our for body weight, like. 2786 02:33:01.520 --> 02:33:04.200 Our boy Bo Diggles, who we hope to eventually get 2787 02:33:04.200 --> 02:33:07.000 back on here, also known as the two inter pincher. 2788 02:33:07.559 --> 02:33:10.920 Indeed, it's very possible Plato was a two inchre pincher dude, 2789 02:33:11.000 --> 02:33:15.040 one hundred percent very well possible. Dear cult members, if 2790 02:33:15.079 --> 02:33:18.760 you have enjoyed this episode, you thought it was thought provoking, 2791 02:33:18.840 --> 02:33:20.440 or hey, you just want to let your two cents 2792 02:33:20.440 --> 02:33:22.479 be heard in it, go ahead and hit that reviews, 2793 02:33:22.479 --> 02:33:24.719 and while you're at it, if you haven't already at 2794 02:33:24.760 --> 02:33:27.239 this time, hit the five stars, hit the share the 2795 02:33:27.280 --> 02:33:29.399 like suscribed to comment, leave a post, leave review, shares 2796 02:33:29.479 --> 02:33:31.920 with your friends and family. Shares everywhere, especially this video. 2797 02:33:32.239 --> 02:33:34.760 This episode has been fascinating, and I think it kind 2798 02:33:34.799 --> 02:33:38.680 of debunked some things and also solidified other conspiracies. Here's 2799 02:33:38.719 --> 02:33:41.319 the deal. 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We thank you for everybody's already gone and 2809 02:34:04.239 --> 02:34:04.479 done so. 2810 02:34:04.840 --> 02:34:08.200 And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode 2811 02:34:08.239 --> 02:34:12.079 of the Cult of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan Jacob. 2812 02:34:12.079 --> 02:34:13.879 And there's one very important, etremely the vital piece of 2813 02:34:13.879 --> 02:34:16.079 information we need you to learn just as soon as 2814 02:34:16.239 --> 02:34:17.159 humanly possible. 2815 02:35:00.920 --> 02:35:29.159 So screen to speaks to see so to speak 2816 02:35:31.959 --> 02:35:32.000 S