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Our guest today is former CIAH and Kevin Shipp. Kevin
joins us to discuss his new book, Twilight of the
Shadow Government, How Transparency Will Kill the Deep State. The
book offers an unpressedented look into the inner workings of
the CIA, revealing how the agency has strayed from its
original mission and the links it will go to silence
those who dare to speak out. Kevin, thank you so
much for joining us on this edition of the Federalist
Radio Hour. Absolutely, let's begin where we are today, just
a couple of weeks before this election. We'll get into
your experiences over time, the history that is well laid
out in this new book of the CIA, the Central
Intelligence Agency. But where are we at? How much should
our listeners be concerned about the CIA's presence in this
election and the CIA putting its thumb on the scales
of this election.
Speaker 2: That's a great question. Yes, recent article, excuse me, I
wrote it in The Blaze about to CI's influence on elections,
and I go through several presidents in several occasions where
the CI influenced the election. And a clear example in
this election is the CI's opposition to Donald Trump and
their propaganda towards Kamala Harris. And if you remember the
Hunter Biden laptop issue, forty two senior CIA officials came
out and said that that was Russian disinformation when they
knew better, claimed it was a Russian information. Turns out
it was not at all. It was totally accurate. Well,
those forty two senior CI officers, Mike Morrell at the
top of the list, those forty two SEA officers have
come out again and stated that Donald Trump is a
threat to our government, a threat to our democracy, and
a danger to America, in other words, leading people to
Kamala Harris. There are seven hundred and forty one other
national security officials that have come out and signed a
similar agreement saying that Donald Trump must be kept out
of the White House. So you want to talk about
direct influence on a presidential election, They've got it right
there in our face.
Speaker 1: Now, do you at any level suspect that's what it
would be? Right now? You have multiple sources still withinside
the CIA to serve there for a long time, you know,
the folks, some of them still still involved, you served with.
Do you have any suspicion at all that the CIA
had something to do with what we know to be
the two assassination attempts on the former president's life.
Speaker 2: You know, I've done quite an analysis on that. We
put a final chapter in the book on the first
assassination attempted Butler on Donald Trump and after my and
I just did an objective analysis and I try to
stay as objective as I can get. And in that case,
it was just an unbelievable lack of preparation and outright
negligence on the part of the Secret Service that allowed
Butler Pennsylvania to happen. But in my this is just
my humble opinion, it was because they put Donald Trump
at such a low priority of what they wanted that
they gave him bare bones protection. And we saw those
poor gals on the video half his height and overweight,
trying to figure out how to protect and that were
placed there by Department of Homeland Security and had no
protective operations training at all. You can see the low
priority that the Secret Service put on Donald Trump. I
think that's the culpability part there is that they just
didn't try to. They didn't even do Secret Service Protocol
one oh one on Donald Trump that day, and the
negligence and the oversights were just mind blowing.
Speaker 1: And I ask you this question as I'm curious, and
you know, you continue to study the events surrounding this election,
the Deep States involvement. You know, you have a young,
very clearly disturbed man in the would be assassin, the
murderer in Butler, Pennsylvania in July at the Trump rally.
He has access, He has things that would be difficult
for a man, a young man in his situation his
station in life, to get. It's something that people are
talking about, and of course the usual suspects and the
accomplished media will label individuals as conspiracy theorists for even
mentioning the fact that this guy was very seemingly well
connected and had very interesting connections that we have seen
shown over time, not necessarily in this case, but shown
over time the CIA's involvement in other countries with those
kinds of connections, if you will, does it give you pause?
Speaker 2: Well, actually, points we make on that chapter of that
particular Trump assassination attempt, we ask those very same questions
because at the time of the writing, we were going
on the information we had, and it still pretty much
seems to be the case. But we asked several very
important questions that need to be answered, one of which is,
this young kid had three encrypted overseas accounts that we
have not heard anybody at least looking into or finding
out what in the world those things are all about.
And there are other questions about that attempt that have
not been answered. We list all of those in the
book as unanswered questions that need to be investigated, and
todate that I know of, there hasn't been any investigation
of those, and that's what we're calling for in the book,
exactly the things you just mentioned.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, And before we depart from this portion of
the conversation, which will indeed come up again, because past
is prologue and what we've seen with the CIA is
in the past is what we're seeing, as you write
in the book today. But with this election, we're not
only seeing all of those former CIA deep state officials
coming out and talking about what a danger Donald Trump
is to democracy. We are also seeing a corporate media,
as I like to call them, the accomplice media, that
is going right along as they have done for several
years in this country. But the pace has quickened, of course,
and that narrative has been absolutely shaped by an irresponsible
at the very least corporate media to a complicit corporate media.
Your thoughts on that, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think it is a complicit corporate media. And a lot
of people are under the impression that CIA Operation Mockingbird
control of the major US news media has gone away. Well,
it has not gone away. It has just morphed into
something more complex. As a matter of fact, we know
now that the Washington Post, the Associated Pression, four of
the major social media companies sign an agreement with the
CIA that they would not report on some things and
they would censor other things on the behalf for the
sake of the CI actually sign an agreement to do that.
This is our news media, and I'm called Washington Post,
The Washington Post Mockingbird number one. Since I started investigating
this years ago, and they're continuing to do it today.
They are being fed with the CI wants them to report,
and any journalists, if you remember Gary Webb who wound
up with two bullets in his head in a hotel room,
any journalist that dares to question the CI are actually investigated.
They know that from their editors on down, even their
career will be destroyed and it'll be the end of them,
so they just don't go there.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit more about that project Mockingbird.
As you know you note in the book, it is
the CIA's new efforts with the Center for Global Engagement
and Big Tech interference. That is what we're seeing these days.
But from mocking Bird to this latest initiative, let's talk
about that in terms of what you know about mocking Bird,
what you know now about what is happening within the CIA.
Speaker 2: Yes, the CIA created an arm of the CIA called
in q tel, and it is how the CIA pierces
domestic companies inside the United States, and in qtel has
given over three hundred contracts. The Silicon Valley companies given
them a seed funding and startup money to start their companies,
and also if there's any classified work involved, they sign
a CIA secrecy agreement where they're bound for life. This
gives me. Probably the most prominent one of those is
a company called Taoluneer, and the Volunteer was a established
as the replacement for the Total Information Awareness Program of
the Pentagon. They conger shot down because it was gathering
information on all Americans for threat assessment purposes. Well, TIA
was shot down, so the CI, as it usually did,
build to cover up using into in q tel and
funded the startup of Pallunteer, provided CIA analysts to help
build it. And now Pollunteer is collecting data on all
Americans for threat profile information. You remember the spying on
the Catholics, and now they're spying on certain patio groups
and other things as possible threats. That information is coming
out of CIA cutouts like Palneer gathering this information and
then they decide who's a threat and who's not. That's
going on right now, and that is what the CI
has done and they've done with in q tel is
they've taken spy into private companies so that they can
have plausible deniability and saying, Oh, the CI is not
spying on the American people know they're not because Polunteer
is doing it for them.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. We've seen the same thing, of course, with
the Department of Homeland Security and an agency and all
of the myriad you know alphabet soup agencies that we
know SISA is the name of that organization and the
role that it has played in suppressing information working with
big tech. Are all of these entities? Are they in contact?
Are they in communication? What have you learned about the
central point of all of this?
Speaker 2: Well, the CI is the central point of all this,
as it always has been. When they correct when they
when they created the Director of National Intelligence, claiming that,
well this powerful, central, central role of the CI will
now be removed and it will be kind of tamed
down a little bit. Well, no, that didn't happen. The
CI didn't change at all, and they can continues to
be the center, focal point for all of this, all
of these propaganda operations. And you have to remember that
the CI employees massive military Industrial Complex contractors and what
I call the secret industrial intelligence complex that have CI contracts.
The companies like Raytheon Lockhey Martin, which is also a
spying armor the CIA. These are billions and billions of
dollars in CIA contracts that are run ostensibly by the CI,
and our foreign policy is being dictated and implemented by
unelected bureaucrats in these organizations. That's the CI's favorite modus
operandi is to operate through private companies to do its
dirty work.
Speaker 1: What's curious to me is that the left used to
express concerns about this. And I'm not saying there aren't
members of the left still concerned about exactly what you
just laid out. The you know, the military industrial complex,
connected to the Central Intelligence complex, the homeland spying operation
consider going on. But what changed? What happened in your estimation?
Why is the left in this country seemingly so lacking curiosity,
intellectual curiosity, and what's happening in their name as American
citizens through the CIA and the deep state?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Bobby Kennedy's Robert F. Kennedy Junior, as a
friend of mine, and he would say the same thing
I think I know he does is the Democratic Party
is not the same Democratic Party it was even ten
years ago. It's a neo Democratic party. And whereas Ron
Wyden back after the Patriot Act was passed, decried the
powers that it gave to the intelligence community, especially the CIA.
The Democratic Party now is a full sponsor of these
operations and activities and of the CI, and they claim
to be the perpetrators or the monitors of freedom and
freedom of speech, and they're exactly the opposite. They've gone
so rogue, and they're so connected into these massive US
corporations that they're bought and paid for. And this is
just my humble opinion, but if Kamala Harris were elected president,
she would be the CI's puppets, specifically as bad or
worse as Joe Biden was, and we'd be in a
world of trouble, trouble in terms of the expansion of CIA.
Speaker 1: Now, the leftist have a tiger by the tail, because
that tiger can come back to bite them for sure.
Let's go, let's go back to your career, long career
with the CIA, and you right, you know, and I
mean that's really the premise of your book that the
CIA has dramatically changed since its founding, its origins. Let's
talk about its foundings, and then when you got involved
in your service with the CIA, well.
Speaker 2: The CIA was founded by a pretty dark individual. Alan
Doas came out from the OSS and founded the CIA,
and the Truman passed the National Security Act in nineteen
forty seven, and what the c has done is completely
misinterpreted and abused the portion of the National Security Act
of forty seven which basically states that Truman created the CIA,
which will serve at the pleasure of the National Security
Council and from time to time served the NSC in
things that it deems appropriate. It never gave, never gives
the CIA the unbridled authority for covert operations it has
now starting with Dawes, it overtook that and within two
years I think I had his quote here, Harry Truman
regretted forming the CI because he saw how badly it
had become in just two years. And this is what
Truman said, Well, there's something about the way the CIA
has been functioning that it's casting a shadow on our
historic position of freedom, and I feel we need to
correct it. So he regretted creating the CI within two
years because it had taken the National Security Act of
nineteen forty seven, grossly abused it and turned it into
an authority which it was not give.
Speaker 1: And Truman, Kevin created this through the advice and council
of you know, some folks, some of them suspect, of course,
as it turned out to be upon analysis later on,
that military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about once again.
But all of this, you know, was not created in
a bubble. This is created out of deep and in
many cases legitimate concerns about communist infiltration, not only around
the world but in the US government itself. Correct, yes, correct,
And that was Truman's intent.
Speaker 2: You know, the statement was, we don't want to have
another Pearl Harbor and the hit blind, and so he
created the CIA as a central repository of intelligence so
we could stop something like that from happening. Again, that
was his intent, and parts of the CIA still do that,
like the Director of Intelligence, where the analysts are and
I was trained in analytics by the Director of Intelligence.
They still do a fantastic job of analyzing intelligence, satellite
imagery and other things. I mean, they're the experts, and
that's what Truman intended. That's part of the CI I
think that we need to keep around. I'm not talking
about the elimination of the entire CIA. I'm talking about
the elimination of its unconstitutional and illegal covert operational authority.
So they are parts of the CEA I think we
need to keep, which is what Truman initially intended. It
was the covert operational arm that he later regretted two
years later.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about how you got involved. Why
is it, what motivated you? What inspired you to get
involved in Central Intelligence? I mean, was this something you
thought about as a kid, and obviously you were deeply
involved in an analysis? What did you do over your
tenure there?
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because I was such a hoodlum
in college. I never thought i'd get into the CI,
so the thought never crossed my mind.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us would have trouble and
I was.
Speaker 2: And when a friend of mine convinced me to put
in an application, I gave it to them to take in.
They're thinking, that's never going to happen. And then I
found out that they were taking my application seriously or
were doing a background investigation. I thought, oh, gosh, you're
going to talk to some of my friends in college
and that's the end of that. And on and on
it went, and I wound up getting hired more of
a surprise than a dream. And when I got in there,
of course, you don't know what the CI is doing
until you get in there, even at the lower secret levels.
So when you get in there, they opened kind of
the low level family jewels, and most people their eyes
I used to be the senior briefer doing this for
the CI. Their eyes open wide and their jaw drops
when they realized what the CI has been doing, and
they get some of them get kind of a nessized
by it or drugged with the access that they've been given,
and they kind of lose their moral compass, which happens
much of the time. So I received several awards. I
was an agent protective agent on the seventh floor in
the detail of William Casey. I had a command post
in his house. We had command posts just outside his
hospital room when he had his seizure, and that's when
Bob Woodward claims he got in to have that historical conversation.
And I have a chapter on Bob Woodward and his fabrications.
Woodward never got into talk to Casey. I was one
of the agents in the hot seat right outside of
his room, as were the other agents. Woodward tried to
get in and the agents caught him and showed him
the door. That never happened. It's a complete fabrication.
Speaker 1: Wow. Interesting, and I know that the story has been
been told for a long time, but fake news by
Bob Woodward.
Speaker 2: Huh, that's absolutely correct. And Woodward didn't plan on one
of the agents coming out being able to talk about it,
and that he didn't plan on me coming out and
doing this, and so he thought it would since everybody
was bound by secrecy and undercover, that this would never
come to life. Well I was able to do so,
get my cover roll back, and now I can come
out and talk about it. He didn't plan on that.
What changed me was I was doing an investigation on
international CIA connections with some of our allied partners, and
during that investigation, I discovered that at any embassy around
the world, anyone from the Visa Section that includes foreign
Intelligence services could go into an unclassified Visa Section computer
and identify our covert CIA officers, including the chief of station,
the officers, and even their assets. I provided a detailed
report to CIA management, specifically the division involved. My report
was destroyed three times. It was destroyed and removed from
the headquarters server. I was called by the chief of
that division and threatened to drop it or it would
be my career, and for some reason they wanted to
block that. So my report was leaked to the outside
and Department of State Senior IG took the case without
the CIA knowing it and told me to keep my
head down, don't tell anybody in the agency what they're doing.
They get back to me with what they found. Three
months later, they did, and they said it's worse than
even you thought. So the CI wound up being rebuked
with me sitting there my Department of State Senior IG
for putting the lives of its officers at risk for
over ten years and covering it up. And that rebuke
went out as a report into the attire intelligence community,
and hence I had a target on my back from
then and I did into the book exactly what they
started doing to me and put me in a secret
base in the house. They knew it was badly contaminated,
and my family got desperately sick, and some of that
is in the book. So that was the crowning blow.
Was you know, they say you can mess with a man,
but you don't mess with his family. Well, my wife
and son were almost terminal from the toxic stuff that
was in that house, and that was my defining moment.
Speaker 1: Well, I can imagine this was what around twenty ten,
if I'm remembering right now.
Speaker 2: This started back in nineteen ninety nine into detention one
through two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: I see, Okay, I got you, but you know you
had continuing problems since then. Yeah, I have to ask
you this. Are you surprised that I'm able to talk
to you right now, that you're able to write these books,
you're able to expose this stuff. Are you surprised that
you are still with us on this earth?
Speaker 2: Well, they tried to stop that from happening. Even the
IG official from the CIIG confided me at a program
manager conference after we were both out, and he came
up and he said, I apologize. We were ordered by
the director of the CIA to target and silence you
and your case, and so they went after basically to
eliminate me. And that's in the book. I learned that
the only way to fight the CIA, which I'm doing
in Twilight, is to come out in public, full bore,
with all the truth all the time. If you try
to play by their rules, they will destroy you. So
what you do is what I'm doing. Now, you come
out public. I'm the only one they can touch because
I signed their secrecy agreement, And when I wrote from
the Company of Shadows, the CIO redacted all of the
information about my family's poisoning, the break ins, the doctors diagnosis,
redacted it throughout the whole book. None of that is classified,
and it's a violation of Executive or twelve three fifty six.
The agency can't blackout information just because it reveals criminal activity.
Is a Reagan executive work, but they lacked it out anyway.
So when I wrote Twilight from the Shadow Government, I
knew they were going to do that again. So I
made the conscious decision to violate my secrecy agreement with
the CIA and give this to Skyhorse courageous Skyhorse Publishing
while the CIA was reviewing it and get it published
without their approval. And of course I've already received one
threat from them, which I knew was coming. But I've
placed myself out doing this to get the truth to
the American people. I'm the only one that they can
touch and the only thing that has kept me safe
and on these programs. Is the fact that I come
out full bore or public with everything. Everything they try
to do, everything they we'll try to do, is going
to be made public.
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Speaker 1: Our guest today is former CIA agent Kevin Shipp. Kevin
joining us to discuss his new book, Twilight of the
Shadow Government, How Transparency Will Kill the Deep State. The book,
as we've noted, offers an unprecedented look into the inner
workings of the CIA, revealing how the agency has strayed
from its original mission and the links. It will go
to silence those who air to speak out, particularly one
of its former agents and Kevin Ship. How long were
you with the agency?
Speaker 2: I was with the CI for seventeen years, Then I
ran the Department of State and he carries on assistance
training program for another three years, So seventeen years with
the CI and three years with Department of State.
Speaker 1: May I asked, how are you doing? Did you have
similar health problems your family? How are you doing these days?
And what specifically what kind of threats have you received
since taking this story out to the public.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this did take quite a toll on my physical
health and watching your them telling your son that he
had terminal immune system damage and my wife had some
sort of brain injury and that she was bed ridden.
The doctors couldn't figure out what it was, and it
all matched the toxic exposure that was in the house
during that while the CI was covering it all up,
threatening me in my career, and that did take physical
toll on me, and I had some pretty serious health
problems after that with that, wrestling with PTSD and other things.
Now you know, I'm doing fantastic, uh, coming out in
the open with all of all of the truth has
probably been the most freeing thing I've done, and health
is good. I've built a little after Good Farm that CI,
of course tried to destroy my finances. I built a
little off a good farm. We're self sufficient, we have
everything is solar powered, not connected to the internet, and
I'm probably the happiest I've been in my entire life.
So things things worked out well, and I guess I
have to thank the CI for putting me in my
dream of after Good farm.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness for small blessings from the CIA. Right, they
certainly certainly wasn't their their intention? Clearly, How do you
live with the idea in this shadow, knowing that you're
probably being observed, You have been observed that there is
a massive potentially a massive entity that is unchecked and
unstopped so often against you. How do you deal with that?
And you know, you know the criticisms. You've been billed
as a conspiracy theorist by the agency that you serve
for so long and their helpers. Of course, I mean,
I'm looking at an ABC story here on your publications,
I'm looking at other stories that have you know, in
essence followed the corporate line from the CIA. How do
you deal with those things?
Speaker 2: Of course, well, they don't bother me in the least.
And the reason I put Twilight of the Shadow Government
is out out there is to disprove all of that
garbage and show what is really the truth, so much
so that someone would say, oh, this guy was a
low level punky guy at the agency, never had any
positions of significance. That's why I put my awards and
performance appraisals, my real ones that were classified secret are
now un classified in the book. I prove who I was,
what I did, what my level was, with all that
documented information to do because I knew this was coming.
I knew these outlets being the mocking birds of course
that we talked about, we're going to try to do
this ahead of time, so I put the evidence in
the book for everybody to see.
Speaker 1: We talked about this earlier on in the conversation. But
as we we come to the last remaining days of
an unprecedented election cycle in American history for so many reasons,
what sort of things are we seeing the CIA and
their deep state beyond using you know, former agents or
those connected to it to to try to discredit, further
discredit Donald Trump try to try to claim him as
a threat to democracy. I don't think a lot of
Americans are buying that, particular after we've particularly after we've
seen the weaponization of the Justice Department under the Biden
Harris administration. But what sort of things do you see?
Could the CIA play an October surprise if you will?
Speaker 2: Well, I think what they're going to try to do.
The only thing they can try to do outside of
getting rid of Donald Trump themselves, is to put out
such a heavy propaganda of course, like they did with
COVID nineteen. COVID nineteen then the lockouts, and the propaganda
was developed by the CIO. A lot of people don't
realize that, in conjunction with Johns Hopkins University, that propaganda
program is already in place. So that's how the CI
has manipulated the American people for decades, and that's how
they're going to try to do it again. In terms
of what they may try to pull before the election,
you know, that's an open question. You can be sure
that they will do whatever they can for self preservation,
to preserve the agency and to keep any scrutiny or
oversight out of it. So you know, This is intense.
This election is extremely alarming because, as I've mentioned before,
Kamala Harris, like Joe Biden, will simply be a puppet
of the CIA and allow them to do whatever they want,
like droning eight wedding parties and killing all the innocent
people and kill this and all that other stuff. They know,
they'll allow them to keep doing that. So they're going
to keep pushing the propaganda against Trump fiercely, and it's
going to get worse and worse leading up to the election.
And god forbid if Kamala Harris wins, because if that's
the case, we're in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: The whole premise of your book, Kevin, is built on
what you are doing now making public what has been hidden,
what has been dark for so long. That said, we
have a presidential candidate for president who talks about draining
the swamp once again, going after the deep state people
who ran for president who are surrounding the GOP nominee.
I think, in particular the Vake Ramaswami who talked about
going after the FBI and in many ways the Central
Intelligence Agency. Let me ask you this, if Trump wins,
can he do can he actually do what he says
he wants to do with the deep state.
Speaker 2: He can do it alone. I think we saw that
the first time around. He's going to need some dedicated, dedicated,
courageous cabinet members. Bobby Kennedy Junior, a good friend of mine,
has come over and joined the Frump campaign, which is
a great encouragement to me because I was a real
supporter of his and I know Bobby Kennedy well enough
to know that if he gets in there and gets
a cabinet level position, he's got the guts to do something.
And now Vivek says a lot of good things, and
we'll see if he's got the courage to pull them off.
Because when they get in there, the shadow government and
deep State is going to try to destroy them. And
if they know that going in, that's good. But secondly,
and maybe most important of all, the American people need
to understand that they have to support this reform of
government and have to come out in droves and start
an outrage against the CIA and the deep state and
the shadow government. The last chapter of my book, before
we added the Trump assassination analysis, the last chapter in
my book, I gave twelve points that need to be
done to reform the CI and stop its gross abuse
of secrecy. And the last one is the American people themselves.
We need to start an avalanche of demand for reform
of the CIA and pressure and demand on our congressman
and senators to do a real investigation because there hasn't
been one since the Church Committee and they destroyed his career,
to do another investigation of the CI and it's abuse
of secrecy and start making some reforms. And if our
congressman and senators don't do that, several of them are
in the pocket of the agency. Some of them own
stock in the agency's large corporations, like Lockheed Martin. So
the Congressan Cenate doesn't do that, then the American people
need to fire them.
Speaker 1: It just seems like such an uphill battle. Not that
it is, not that it's not worth pursuing, but it
seems to me that we know some pretty awful things
about the CIA, yet the people involved have yet to
be held accountable. Right, Why don't we start there holding
those individuals accountable?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we can start with George Tenant,
who provided the false intelligence quote unquote on Iraq and
led to the single biggest military failure in US military
history in five hundred thousand Iraqi citizens, twenty five hundred
US troops, and two hundred thousand injured US troops. We
can start and George W. Bush gave him the President
Medal of Freedom for that. But we can start there,
I think, and start holding some of these agency officials
accountable for these bungling, deadly, bloody operations, offer operations and
corporate programs that they have installed and conducted that have
resulted in deaths and all kinds of horrific atrocities. We
can start there. Start with George Tennant, Start with Buzzy Krongard.
I talk about him in my book and his direct
connections to Wall Street, and there's some peculiar things about
him and the CI connections to Wall Street that I
talk about in the book. Hold him accountable, hold the
CI high level officials accountable for these abominable operations that
they've conducted. And as I mentioned, Iraq being at the
top of that list, and going all the way back
to the overturning of the Democratic Republic of Iran, and
now we have the chief sponsor of terroism that CIA
indirectly created. We need to start with CI officials for
the first time in our history and bring them before
hearings in Congress and charge them for human rights violations,
violations of the Constitution, and a number of illegal programs
which I talk about in some of my programs that
they have conducted. They need to be held accountable. They
need to be brought before the courts, and they need
to be charged. And as a lesson to anybody that
tries to go behind the back of the President of
Congress of the American people and conduct these bloody operations
without our knowledge.
Speaker 1: Just don't see that happening. Unless right still it's going
to and still it's going to be a tough battle.
But unless you have the current regime scent packing, and
it's going to take control by individuals in both wings
of Congress to really do something about this. Unless you
have a repudiation of the current regime and the people
who have supported it, unless you have quite frankly from
my estimation, conservatives in control of Congress able to actually
act pond to have these investigations, really truly hold bad
actors accountable. I don't think this goes anywhere. And I'll
ask you this does it get that much worse.
Speaker 2: I think you're exactly right. It is going to get
worse because it's going to try to self preserve itself,
and that and all the unelected bureaucrats that make all
their money and everything else in the revolving door where
they go from the CI and other agencies out into
Lockheed Martin and RAYTHEE on the others and make you
six seven figures. Yeah, it will just get worse unless
there is, as I mentioned, and I even have in
my studio picture behind me of a big avalanche. Unless
there's an avalanche of public demand for this to happen
the things you and I are talking about, it will
just get worse, and it will continue on and it
will just increase its self preservation.
Speaker 1: Indeed, and I think about again, not to beat a
dead horse, but the mean the so called legacy mainstream
corporate media's involvement in this. You know, in the you
know in the recent article in the Blaze piece that
you wrote after Joe Biden's victory, evidence surfaced of Biden's
involvement in Ukraine following the twenty fourteen CIA orchestrated coup.
Correct This led to the discovery of hunter Biden's laptop
which contained well we know what it contains, anybody who's
following this story. And then, as you note, you had
these fifty one former intelligence officials, including forty two senior
CIA officers, quickly signing on to this public statement. You know,
this word disinformation and all of its you know, related
terms misinformation, malinformation, all established you know, really driven home.
And we even had a bizar over this sort of stuff,
short lived as it was, you know, in CISA, SISA,
I should say, in the Department of Homeland Security. But
the real disinformation is being fed, as it has so
many times over the last well nearly eighty years in
this country by the deep state, the CIA, and we
used to have a responsible media that would well hold
on here a second, let's ask some questions before we
sign up for this message, for this narrative that doesn't
happen anymore.
Speaker 2: No, no, it doesn't. When's the last time you saw
any mainstream media And you know, as much as I
like Fox News, I have to include them in this too.
When's the last time you saw any mainstream media journalists
do an actual, real investigation of the CIS operations, especially
the botched ones almost never and the only the only
one I saw in Fox was a mile un followed
by how great the CI Spy Museum is and how
great the CI is. It's spying. They're afraid.
Speaker 1: The gift shop is incredible, though, Kevin, I will, well.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's such a pretty pickup in you know, and
guess and guess who runs the cip Spy music. Well,
on the board of directors are CI officials and some
other media figures like George Clooney and others are.
Speaker 1: On the board.
Speaker 2: That's a whole other story. It's another mockingbird thing that
has worked pretty well, I have to say, anyway, But
that's basically what that is. But people have to understand
the CIA. What it does is lie and deceive and propagandize.
That's what the CI is. That's what they do. They
cause it. They call it plausible denial, and they can
both face lie to the President, Congress and the public.
They call it plausible denial to protect the operation. Lying
and propaganda is what the CIA is, and that's all
we should expect from it because that is the core
of its function.
Speaker 1: If you get to the CIA Museum, you get to
the gift shop, you might want to check the kids
on their interest and then eventual purchase of the CIA's
waterboarding kit. It's problematic for the entire family. I did not.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I mean, let me just tell you it is troubling,
all right. I appreciate the generosity of your time. I'll
end with this. You sound optimistic, strangely to me. With
all that you have gone through, all that you have experienced,
all that you survive, you still believe that this agency
ultimately can be put in check by its real bosses.
And it should be very clear, although that has been
lost since nineteen forty seven, who the real bosses of
the CIA are. The real bosses are the American people.
You believe ultimately that this agency can be checked.
Speaker 2: Yes, History shows us that all it takes is one
person to come out and take the personal risk, even
the life risk, of standing up and speaking out. And
once that person does that, then thousands and thousands and
thousands and thousands of people will follow the truth. And
that's what I believe. And I also personally answer to
a higher authority, So I'm not worried. I'm not afraid
of dying. They've tried everything they could to kind of
erase me, and it hasn't worked. So that doesn't bother
me at all. And as I mentioned earlier, there's a
great freedom in telling the truth and putting the truth
out there. And it's a great feeling not to have
to have planes drones flying over your house and things
like that when they're trying to shut you up. I've
come out and I've said it, and that essentially sets
me free. I'm healthy, I'm living on my dream farm
with my best friend, my wife, and I'm not afraid
of death. And someone had to do this, and I
believe that this is the mission and I've been called
to do and so I'm doing.
Speaker 1: It well I can I guess I can understand at
a certain level. I haven't, by the grace of God,
lived your experiences, although obviously, as you've told us over
the course of this conversation, those experiences shaped who you
are and what your mission is today. Yes, and you know,
as you explain, it, a God given mission, and that
is getting the truth out. The truth shall set us free.
It's just so difficult in a world of lies and
government sponsored lives at that. Thanks to my guest today
former CIA agent Kevin Shipp, You've been listening to another
edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior
correspondent at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with more.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Till then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.
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