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Just call 10 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.799 me a Tom Talk gun All right, So here's the deal. 11 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:39.960 If we were have a contest in the gun and 12 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.960 hunting industry, we're going to submit our entry into the 13 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:48.079 most Interesting Man. I'm going to nominate Tim Soundles from 14 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:51.640 Buffalo Bar Ammunition. Tim, you are the guy. You're there 15 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.039 in sam And, Idaho. You make fabulous AMO and you 16 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.039 hunt all over the world. So what do you been 17 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:56.280 up to? 18 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:56.759 That's fun? 19 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:01.679 Well, I've been up to a three legs spinal fusion. 20 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.159 Oh gee, that sounds like so much fun. 21 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.719 Well, I had so much. 22 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:10.640 I'd broke my back in my twenties and I had 23 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.079 so much stenosis building up in my spine. I was 24 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:18.079 in Africa, and I knew something went horribly wrong all 25 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.799 of a sudden in my back and what had happened 26 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:25.200 as a facet joint had actually fractured from the stenosis. 27 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:27.599 And so here I am in Africa. 28 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:33.000 Technically a broken back, and I'm like, oh, I got 29 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:34.239 to get back to the States. 30 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:35.680 Something is really wrong. 31 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:38.640 Well, we were bombing Iran at the time, and all 32 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.840 these African flights go over the Middle East, and so 33 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:44.599 airspace is closed down. 34 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:46.680 I'm stuck with a broken back. 35 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.439 I didn't know if it was broken, but I knew 36 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.000 something was bad, and so trying to get back to 37 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:56.280 the States is a real trip. I ended up in Istanbul, 38 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.040 and from Istanbul I was able to to catch a 39 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.879 flight to Dallas. And you know, once you make it 40 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:06.879 to the States, you can get anywhere you need to go. 41 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:10.479 You ask what I've been doing for fun? I have 42 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:15.319 been teaching a woman and her son. They are Californians. 43 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.080 They moved here because they could see what was happening 44 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:22.879 in California, and I've been teaching them a little bit 45 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:26.759 on the AR fifteen and the CIGP three sixty five 46 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:28.639 because that's what she has. 47 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.599 It's fun to bring somebody into the shooting world, isn't it? 48 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:36.080 Oh my gosh, And you know you're just, let's face it, 49 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:40.080 the emerging market, the emerging force that should be a 50 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:41.199 bigger force. 51 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:43.159 Than it is is the female shooter. 52 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:43.759 All right. 53 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:45.719 So I got to ask you, you're trying to figure 54 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:48.680 out exactly how to put this. You have a tendency 55 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:50.680 to stir it up on the internet because you just 56 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.039 tell people how it really is, and people want to 57 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.080 go through all the numbers and the energy and the 58 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:58.719 ballistic charts, and you say, yeah, but I've shot a 59 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:03.400 thousand animals, like dozens and dozens of bears. Here's what 60 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:06.800 really works versus what your charts tell you. What does 61 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:08.840 it you know that actually works. 62 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.759 I would say first is penetration and as long as 63 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.120 you can get enough. 64 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:19.199 Penetration to do the job. Second is bullet diameter. 65 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.879 And people have no idea that if they haven't killed 66 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.960 hundreds and hundreds and hundreds ahead of big game, they 67 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:30.680 have no idea how the killing dynamics change as board 68 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:32.199 diameter goes up or down. 69 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:36.360 What you're saying is, use a big bullet and drive 70 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:37.960 it through to where it needs. 71 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:42.479 To go, assuming enough velocity, and you know velocity changes 72 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:47.919 it longer ranges, and so assuming enough velocity and assuming 73 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.000 a bullet designed to penetrate deep enough to get the 74 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:56.120 job done, bore diameter makes the biggest difference that I've 75 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.000 ever seen in killing ability on large animal. 76 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.080 You are known as the guy who has shot a 77 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.639 incredible number of animals with handguns. You've been a handgun 78 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:10.199 hunter forever, and you explore the world of the big 79 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.120 boar handguns. So I just posted something on x I 80 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:14.800 was just poking the bear and I said, look, you 81 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.639 guys understand that a forty five caliber bullet has twenty 82 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.399 seven percent more surface area at the nose than a 83 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:25.319 ten milimeter bullet. You'd think I'd been called in their 84 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.439 mother's names or something, But look, similimm is not bad. 85 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:29.879 You've got a lot of great loads that you have 86 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.399 for that. But as that me plat, that big flat 87 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.560 area on a flat nosed bullet gets bigger and bigger. 88 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:38.000 Things change, don't they. 89 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.839 They change incredibly. And I was the first person I 90 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:45.079 knew about that started getting on the internet and going, okay, 91 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.920 you guys that are worshiping the ten mm for defense 92 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.439 against grizzly bears or moose's it's not that you're making 93 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:56.319 a mistake, because the tenmm has been proven with proper 94 00:04:56.399 --> 00:05:00.800 deep penetrating bullets and so we know it will work. 95 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:05.000 But I said to people, you're missing the boat. A 96 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:08.480 two hundred and fifty or fifty five two hundred and 97 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.519 fifty five grain forty five caliber bullet out of a 98 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:16.120 forty five ACP at plus P velocities, which is a 99 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.759 little over nine hundred feet a second. Most of my 100 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.759 five inch guns are shooting at nine hundred and sixty 101 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:25.600 or nine hundred and seventy feet a second, it will kill. 102 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:28.279 If you're taking body shots, I mean brain shots, it 103 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.120 doesn't matter. You know, if you can get you can 104 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:33.639 get into the brain with any caliber bullet, it's a 105 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.399 dead animal. But if you're taking body shots, which is 106 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:38.680 usually the way it happens, because brain shots on a 107 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:43.079 charging bear are very difficult to make sure unless the 108 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.920 bear's on top of it, which you really don't want 109 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.000 to push it. To that point, the forty five ACP 110 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:55.800 with a heavy bullet that doesn't expand which handgun velocities, 111 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.439 expansion just kills penetration. 112 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.439 Good point, yeah, because if you have expansion, then you 113 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:05.319 always are going to have less penetration. 114 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:08.439 Yeah, it's like opening a parachute. And the same isn't 115 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:11.160 true with high powered rifles because you're using a bullet 116 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.800 with much higher sectional density and generally higher velocity to 117 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:20.839 push that higher sectional density bullet. Handguns use low sectional 118 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:21.800 density bullets. 119 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:25.199 Let me pay Let me back up here, because you're saying, 120 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:27.920 because I'm thinking you have four to fifty four cassou 121 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:31.920 forty five you know, maybe a hopped up forty five COVID, 122 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.360 you're saying a forty five ACDP like out of a 123 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.240 nineteen eleven or an eight K or something. 124 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:40.199 Yes, I mean, let's let's remember we're pushing two hundred 125 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.800 and fifty grain bullets at plus p velocities, which is 126 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:47.279 close to one thousand feet a second. When when the 127 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:52.040 forty five Colt Cartures was designed as a cavalry gun, 128 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.639 it was given to the cavalry men and this is 129 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.319 I'm going like eighteen seventies. It was given to the 130 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:03.319 cavalrymen to shoot horses. And they were pushing a two 131 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.839 hundred and fifty grain bullet at one thousand feet a 132 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.160 second and it, I mean it would just go right through. 133 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:10.319 Both shoulders on a horse. 134 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:11.279 Wow. 135 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.079 And so we're doing the same thing with the forty 136 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:18.720 five ACP. But what happens is the internet experts that 137 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.240 have never killed a bear probably never even seen a 138 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.920 bear in the wild. I mean, maybe it is zoo 139 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.600 or something. They go, oh no, no, here's the numbers 140 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:31.120 on that. You're wrong. You're wrong. And I've reached a 141 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.680 point where all I do is go, well, tell me 142 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:37.120 how many bears you've killed. And if you haven't killed 143 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.879 a bear, would you please close your mouth and open 144 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.319 your ears, because if you count all the bears've I 145 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.959 mean I've guided tons of people to bears and seen 146 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:50.639 them shot and killed. And I've killed, like you said, 147 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:56.040 dozens and dozens of bears myself, both grizzlies and black bears, 148 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.480 more black bears than grizzlies. And I've done some of 149 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.800 that with forty five ACP and the ten mm. 150 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:04.759 So you have the experience, you know what works. 151 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:05.279 Well. 152 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:08.560 I can tell you that with body shots that twenty 153 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:13.759 seven percent greater surface area makes a difference. And I 154 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.879 mean I see it in Africa. I step up from 155 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:22.240 say a four sixteen for sixteen anything, be it Rigby, Remington, whatever, 156 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:24.959 a four sixteen, I step up to a four or 157 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.800 five eight lot, and there's a noticeable difference on how 158 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.240 it hammers a buffalo. But you got to shoot a 159 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:35.559 lot of cape buffalo to see the difference because one 160 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:36.720 offs don't count. 161 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.039 Okay, That's the other thing is people say we you know, 162 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:40.279 I've shot ten deer. 163 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:41.679 I actually recovered seven of them. 164 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.879 You're going, okay, I'm I'm not all that impressed at 165 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.960 this point versus Tim who has shot one thousand plus 166 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:52.879 animals and see what really works out there, Because you're right, 167 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.600 one or two or even ten, it's not at large 168 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:56.600 enough sample base. 169 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:58.559 No, it really isn't. 170 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.639 And of course people that are trying to learn on 171 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:07.840 the internet, they're trying to learn, but who can authoritatively 172 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:13.200 teach this stuff. Almost nobody unless they've just gone out 173 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.799 and killed one thousand or two or three thousand big 174 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:17.919 game animals. 175 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.080 And like even on Kate Buffalo. 176 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.120 You know I've got I don't keep count like some 177 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:27.879 people do, but I've got several dozen Kate buffalo under 178 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:32.559 my belt. Well that's enough for me to start seeing 179 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.120 what is working better versus what is not working as well. 180 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:40.480 Yeah, you can spot the trends, all right, So let's 181 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.960 switch over. Let me talk about your business. How did 182 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:44.000 you get in and make an M one? 183 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:49.000 The first place, I was friends with John Linebaw and 184 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:52.000 line Baw was just coming out with the five hundred 185 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.720 line Baw and Ross Seifried was writing about it in 186 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:01.679 Probably was was it Guns and Ammo? And it was 187 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.080 on the cover of the magazine. Well, you know, Ross 188 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.960 had an experimental gun that John had built for him. 189 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:11.159 And I called up John because his number was in. 190 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.480 The article, and I said, I want you to build 191 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:17.360 me this, this, this, this, this, And I said, I 192 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.519 said I want a low serial number, and he goes, well, 193 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:20.480 you're the first. 194 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:23.519 Order, so you'll get that. 195 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:24.240 Yes. 196 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:27.320 Yeah, So so he gave me serial number two because 197 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:33.120 ciphereds he had marked number one. And that's basically how 198 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.480 I got into I've been handloading since I was thirteen. 199 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.039 My dad taught me to handload ammo. He was trying 200 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:40.919 to keep me off the streets, you know. 201 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.080 And uh so one of the things if you get, if 202 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.720 you get a kid interested in reloading and guns, you 203 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:49.279 won't have enough money for drugs. 204 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:52.840 And boy and boy was I into guns. I mean 205 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:57.919 every second I was dreaming, thinking, reading, wanting guns and 206 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:02.759 so that's how I got star arted. And when Line 207 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:07.080 bas kept asking me, Tim, would you please make factory 208 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.000 Ammo because he was sending customers to me to handload 209 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:14.399 five hundred line bay Ammo and later four seventy five 210 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:19.399 line Ammo, but he couldn't sell guns because. 211 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:20.559 There was no commercial amp. 212 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:21.720 Oh sure. 213 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:27.679 I contacted Starline eventually and got them to make quantities, 214 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:29.720 and it took a lot of money up front because 215 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:35.000 they wouldn't make small quantities of a new brass, and 216 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.279 in large quantities got factory brass. And once that happened, 217 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:44.600 I was on the run, and so I decided, well, 218 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.399 I'd better make some forty five colt plus P and 219 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:50.440 some good forty four magammo while I'm at it, and 220 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.279 some forty five seventy And the next thing you know, 221 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:59.519 I was making a solid living producing AMMO like nobody 222 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:00.919 else really knew how. 223 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:02.279 To produce at that time. 224 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.600 You know, I've been copied a jillion times by now. 225 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.039 But your your line of AMMO is different. 226 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.320 When people go to your website Buffalo board dot com, 227 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:14.200 they're gonna look at ammo and go, well, that's I've 228 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:15.120 not seen that before. 229 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:16.519 That's interesting. 230 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:22.200 It's like, okay, three fifty seven magnum controlled fracture, standard pressure, 231 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:25.480 nine milimeter control. It's like, and you got the high 232 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:30.440 velocity stuff. You've got, you know, solid handgun AMMO house, 233 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.080 solid bullets for deep penetration. 234 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:34.720 You got a lot of rifle ammo. It goes on 235 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:36.879 and on. I mean, you really have an extensive line of ammo. 236 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.639 Now, yeah, it took a lot of years to get there. 237 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.440 If you were to go in my gun vault, you 238 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:48.360 would see five six hundred guns. They've all been used, fired, 239 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:50.279 they're all test guns. 240 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:56.360 And you know, so developing ammunition is my thing. And 241 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:56.840 you know. 242 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:03.120 I've very secretly developed a few loads for government agencies. 243 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.759 Stuff you know that was highly specialized that they wanted 244 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.440 for certain applications. 245 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.399 Certain units to go places and do things. 246 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:16.639 Yeah, I mean, you know, some of some of those 247 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:21.879 needs when you're doing specialized stuff or quite quite unique. 248 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:25.639 And so anyway, I've addressed some of those things. But 249 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.399 designing AMMO is my favorite thing. Running a business is 250 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:30.720 my least favorite thing. 251 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:34.919 Yeah, I understand, all right, So I gotta tell you. 252 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.720 I know that you were a fan of Melvin Forbes. 253 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.080 I got one of his rifles that came in, but 254 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.399 it used and ordered it and it was three thirty 255 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.039 eight out six. I thought, well, that'd be fun. I've 256 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:46.559 never had one of those. But then it came in 257 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:49.399 and I went back to the range and formed AMMO, 258 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:51.679 formed the case. I went out and shot it, pulled 259 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:53.759 the first case out and said that doesn't look right, 260 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.799 and it turned out it was three thirty eight out six, 261 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.320 actually improved. But nobody stamped the barrel, and I didn't 262 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.120 know it. I mean, and it's fine now that I 263 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:05.320 know it, and I've got the dies. But that's an interesting. 264 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:06.840 Round, very useful. 265 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.720 I mean, slightly less recoiling than the three thirty eight 266 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.120 win mag But if you design the AMMO right, it's 267 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:20.440 still a four hundred yard cartridge, especially the actually improved version. 268 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.200 You know it's going to hold seven grains more powder 269 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.720 than the standard three thirty eight off six. And by 270 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.000 saying seven grains is did I hit the number right? 271 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:30.840 I mean you're loading. 272 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:31.000 No. 273 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.039 I think that's about right. And yeah, I plan to 274 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:35.240 take it on my al cut next week, our next month. 275 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:35.559 Rather. 276 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.519 If you ever want to sell that rifle, call me. 277 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:41.120 Yeah, I know. 278 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:44.919 Yeah, both of us are fans of Melvin's rifle. So yeah, 279 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.960 I think I'll keep this one, thank you very much. 280 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:51.200 Well, but that's just an interesting cartridge I carry when 281 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.159 we go l cutting around here. We've were getting more 282 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.919 and more grizzlies, and so when I take my friends 283 00:14:57.919 --> 00:14:59.879 out hunting and they kill an elk and we quarter 284 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.720 and leave it out overnight, cool, we come back the 285 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.919 next day with horses, often we'll have a grizzly bear 286 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.759 on the carcass. Oh and the rifle I carry when 287 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.399 I go to retrieve meat is a three thirty eight 288 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:14.080 OFF six. 289 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:15.679 Really that's interesting. 290 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:21.000 Well, it holds five rounds. Mine head is very short, 291 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.240 it's got a nineteen inch barrel. It comes out of 292 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:27.720 a saddle scabbard really fast. And it's not for long 293 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:32.399 range hunting or anything else. It's for digging my butt 294 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.440 out of trouble at five. 295 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:39.120 Feet and you know when you've done this your whole life, 296 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:39.799 like I have. 297 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:43.919 And I'm not afraid of bears, So if I see 298 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.080 a bear on a carcass, I'm going to go get 299 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:49.519 my carcass. And so that three thirty eight OT six 300 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.039 has been very useful. I've shot a number of bear 301 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:56.840 with it, and it's a wonderful cartridge. It's for North America. 302 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:02.639 It might be the most balance a big game hunting cartridge. 303 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:07.320 It's a little shy on the long range stuff, but okay, 304 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.080 I can still shoot four hundred yards with it, so 305 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.039 it's really not shy on the range. 306 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.799 All right, So what's the next for buffalo board? For 307 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:17.720 Tim Sandles? 308 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.039 Right now, I'm designing a line of believe it or. 309 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:22.639 Not, twenty two Hornet Ammo. 310 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.279 And you know, the hornet is a neat cartridge because 311 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:31.759 it's right in the middle velocity Ballistically speaking, it's right 312 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.159 in the middle between a twenty two magnum and a 313 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:35.120 two to twenty three. 314 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:36.360 It's easy on the. 315 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:41.080 Ears, no recoil, and you know you can kill coyotes 316 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.840 with it out to two two hundred or so. 317 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.279 Well, look, I appreciate I want to send people to 318 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:47.759 your website. They got to take a look at it, 319 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.759 the handgun, ammo, Riflammeau, all of it. But also if 320 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.720 they start looking at your videos, I know you're going 321 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.960 to expand your social media reach here you're in the 322 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.080 middle of doing that. I think they will enjoy hearing 323 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.720 more about your thoughts on things and your thoughts are 324 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.519 based on experience and rather than looking at a ballistic calculator. 325 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:10.000 Yeah, and they're actually based on both, because I do 326 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:14.079 look at the ballistic calculators, but I go out and 327 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:19.920 actually kill stuff, lots of stuff, and whatever. The doesn't 328 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.519 at that point, it doesn't matter what the charts say, 329 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.240 doesn't matter what people on the internet say. 330 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:28.839 And you kill enough stuff, you learn a lot. 331 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:31.680 Tim, Thank you, it's always a pleasure. 332 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:32.519 Tom. 333 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:37.160 Thanks, and please get over here and let's do lunch together. 334 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.119 You offered years ago to fly over and sit down 335 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.279 and just talk. And you're easy to talk to, your 336 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:49.240 very knowledgeable. And so when you're ready to get to Salmon, 337 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.279 would you give me a call and we'll set an 338 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.440 afternoon aside and just talk. 339 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.400 Sounds good. 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In Maryland, Maryland, Montgomery 384 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.960 County that is has a law prevents people from carrying 385 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:11.119 in churches around churches and so they're being sued, and 386 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:17.319 I think it's about time they're being sued by a 387 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.359 rabbi and other Jews saying that you're keeping us from 388 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:26.839 me able to carry in the synagogue. It's always been 389 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:33.880 a puzzle to me why more Jews don't carry guns 390 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:40.400 for protection. They are targeted by anti Semites historically, for 391 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.640 thousands of years, have been murdered. Look at the Holocaust. 392 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.920 What goes on now? And I'm actually encouraged to see 393 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:51.799 them say, hey, we're going to carry guns for our 394 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.599 own protection. We're going to protect our people at our 395 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:59.039 synagogue and suing the state or in this case, the 396 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:03.640 county for preventing them from doing that. Good on you guys. 397 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:07.559 Everybody needs to understand every church should have security teams, 398 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:09.440 but also anybody should be able to carry in any 399 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:14.000 church as well as everywhere else. That's just a good thing. 400 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:16.359 All right, We're gonna kick this thing open. If you 401 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:18.960