Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Hileco. Every Thursday, we're bringing you a library find,
Speaker 1: a pick from our archives, and a parenting or pop
Speaker 1: culture tidbit or two. Let's start with Catherine's library find
Speaker 1: of the week.
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to return to the picture book section
Speaker 2: again today. It is a book called I worked hard
Speaker 2: on that, and it is about a spider making a web,
Speaker 2: and I really love the cover illustration. Yeah, she's trying
Speaker 2: to make a beautiful web and people keep messing it up.
Speaker 2: And that sounds like parenting, doesn't it. Oh yes, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'm trying to do something, keeps trying, and
Speaker 2: then she she keeps you know, people keep messing with it.
Speaker 2: And then finally she meets a spider who eats his
Speaker 2: own webs, and she's like, oh, it's just about the
Speaker 2: creative process. So but yeah, I just I just thought
Speaker 2: the cover was great. The spider is cute.
Speaker 1: It's cute spider.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know. But she's like, she's got
Speaker 2: polka dots, she's got what looks like little eyeglasses. And yeah.
Speaker 2: So the author is Robin Wall and the illustrator because
Speaker 2: I said I mentioned I love the cover. The illustrator
Speaker 2: is named A and Kang. But when I went to
Speaker 2: this author's website to get more information about this book
Speaker 2: and find a link, I also found that she has
Speaker 2: a series of books called My Cool Family, and it
Speaker 2: is the first one that is presented is called My
Speaker 2: First Book of Beards, and it is called it is
Speaker 2: billed as a super stylish board book for babies and
Speaker 2: toddlers with bearded dads.
Speaker 1: Well that's lovely, yes.
Speaker 2: So I was. But then it goes on My Book
Speaker 2: of Tattoos, my Book of Coffee. I'm not sure how
Speaker 2: so it's all supposed to be like hip, hipster board books,
Speaker 2: my Tattoos, beards, coffee, and travel. So oh, I see.
Speaker 2: I feel like they should have like what else, like
Speaker 2: My My Cool my First Book of like distressed Denim,
Speaker 2: or like what what are we missing from this from
Speaker 2: this series? We have coffee, like craft beer, probably we need.
Speaker 1: Indie music, So yep, I bet they're coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. It's a series. You can always add to it.
Speaker 2: So oh god.
Speaker 1: You know the different areas people find to go down
Speaker 1: in children's books.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think my First Book of beards and tattoos.
Speaker 2: Is is a little more relevant than like my first
Speaker 2: book of electrical engineering and suff like we've seen that
Speaker 2: already as a board book, and like, no.
Speaker 1: But you never know, there's some little electrical engineering genius
Speaker 1: who's gonna get their first spark from that.
Speaker 2: Yep, I guess so.
Speaker 1: To speak, it's a spark.
Speaker 2: It's probably so hope it's not a literal one. Yes,
Speaker 2: far be it for me to prevent to someone's destiny
Speaker 2: of becoming an electoral engineer by denying them a board
Speaker 2: book on the subject.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have the my first book
Speaker 2: of beards and so on in our library now?
Speaker 1: Is the first book of beards? Is it like just
Speaker 1: just pictures or do they have like texture to it?
Speaker 2: Oh? That would be wonderful, good question.
Speaker 1: And it's like when the baby wants to play with
Speaker 1: your beard and getting tired of it, you could say, here, yes,
Speaker 1: struck this dad's beard right until it comes out and
Speaker 1: falls off. We will get you a new copy.
Speaker 2: When we when my kids were babies, there was a
Speaker 2: series of board books which I have self seen occasionally
Speaker 2: at the library, and it was called That's not My
Speaker 2: dot dot dot and be like that's not my bear,
Speaker 2: or that's not my puppy, or that's not my tractor
Speaker 2: or whatever like it went far that's not my mermaid.
Speaker 2: And each each page had a different texture, you know,
Speaker 2: so it had like, you know, that's not my puppy.
Speaker 2: His paws are too rough. And then it would have
Speaker 2: like a little sandpapery stuff or whatever, so you know,
Speaker 2: that's not my puppy. His ears are too soft, and
Speaker 2: they would be free. It was extremely cute. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: they need they need to do that for the beards
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they do that for tattoos, but.
Speaker 1: Allows the kids to explore the idea of tattoos without
Speaker 1: having to walk up to people who have tattoos and.
Speaker 2: Go, what's that? Right?
Speaker 1: Why do you have that? Well? I think I guess
Speaker 1: if you're getting this book, it would be in your family.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the idea is that you're.
Speaker 1: Somebody that you see at a restaurant and then they
Speaker 1: stink on you the rest of the two Right, why
Speaker 1: does that man have pain? Can I go touch it?
Speaker 1: It looks pretty? We're leaving now.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll have to look for these in the board
Speaker 2: book section, see if I can so.
Speaker 1: Good for them. Well, the thing that I am well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say recommending, but my
Speaker 1: pick for this week to talk about is something that
Speaker 1: is everywhere. You don't have to go to the bookstore.
Speaker 1: It's right there on your computer, and you can't turn
Speaker 1: around without bumping into an AI of some sort. Search engine.
Speaker 1: Now it's summarizing everything. All of us who went through
Speaker 1: many years of unpleasant learning how to do a search
Speaker 1: engine optimization that nobody's going to your page anymore, may
Speaker 1: be summarizing it at the top of the search. Nobody
Speaker 1: needs to go look at your page. But it is everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I, as a enterprising old person trying to get
Speaker 1: hip with the ways of the new, have been checking
Speaker 1: some of them out. And what I like is when
Speaker 1: something can give me a no nonsense answer, you know,
Speaker 1: Although I feel for the people who actually create the
Speaker 1: pages and are not getting the clicks. If, for example,
Speaker 1: I have a diagnosis I'm curious about. Instead of looking
Speaker 1: at okay, here's like the ten biggest hospital websites, and
Speaker 1: I can look on each one of them and they
Speaker 1: all say basically the same thing. I can get a
Speaker 1: paragraph that just summarizes everything that is extremely useful. I
Speaker 1: like that. I like having just being able to ask
Speaker 1: a question getting the answer. You know what. It's great
Speaker 1: for fellow copy editors. You know how when you know
Speaker 1: there's a rule in the Chicago Manual of Style, but
Speaker 1: you cannot find it, and the search engine on the
Speaker 1: thing or the index on the thing won't bring you
Speaker 1: quite there. It will bring you nearer, but not to
Speaker 1: the rule that you want. You can go on one
Speaker 1: of these ais and say, hey, according to Chicago Manual Style,
Speaker 1: is this the case? Tell me where it is, and
Speaker 1: it will tell you where it is and what the
Speaker 1: rule is. It's glorious. So for that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: it's awesome. What I do not want from AI is
Speaker 1: a friend. I don't want it to chat with me.
Speaker 1: I don't wanted to ask me questions. I don't want
Speaker 1: to tell it to tell me but be sure to
Speaker 1: talk to your doctor now, honey. I want it to
Speaker 1: just give me the information. And more and more I
Speaker 1: see them skewing to wanting to be my friend. And
Speaker 1: you know what I hear when you do that, AIS,
Speaker 1: I hear how from two thousand and one, Okay, one
Speaker 1: of these days, you're gonna say, I can't open that door, teary,
Speaker 1: just die.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean like on Instagram, I get you know,
Speaker 2: suggested account, you know, and it's like an AI chat bot.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I? Why would I? I don't understand. No.
Speaker 1: Yeah. For a while, grock was pretty no nonsense, which
Speaker 1: is the the X version, but now it's starting to
Speaker 1: get kind of touchy feely. There was one I went
Speaker 1: to chat GPT and I was trying our little thing
Speaker 1: of telling them that our podcast has the most episodes
Speaker 1: of any parenting podcast and has been around the longest.
Speaker 1: And I did the usual thing of what is the
Speaker 1: longest running? They tell me one, Oh no, did you
Speaker 1: know about this one has so more? Oh? Yes, you're
Speaker 1: very correct, And then it started saying, you know, I
Speaker 1: mentioned that it was my podcast, Oh what's it like
Speaker 1: doing a podcast? Why are what's it like? Talk about it?
Speaker 1: I just want you to know I don't have time
Speaker 1: for this. I went to Claude yesterday. That's another one,
Speaker 1: and I was like just for fun, saying like, how
Speaker 1: come I can't focus and I'm always being distracted? And
Speaker 1: it gave me some really good focus tips. And then
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 3: It's like, this is the problem minutes and not do
Speaker 3: my work. Tell me to get my ask on my word.
Speaker 1: Don't be saying, honey, that's what you feel unstressed about.
Speaker 2: Let's understand why if.
Speaker 1: Some AI stop making it more touchy feely, make it
Speaker 1: more Encyclopedia Britannica. Okay, this is what I want. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to type in a question, get
Speaker 1: a detailed answer with all the information I want, and
Speaker 1: that's it. I'll give you a thumbs up, her thumbs up.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I can't help but say thank you to
Speaker 1: the e I right, Oh that's a great answer, groc
Speaker 1: thank you. So this is what I probably think. This
Speaker 1: poor woman is lonely. She has nobody to talk to.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I should chat her up.
Speaker 2: This is why people come to your door and you
Speaker 2: have a hard time turning them away.
Speaker 1: This is the state of AI right now. I want information,
Speaker 1: not a friend. Please mutate accordingly. One of you, just
Speaker 1: one of you, be kurt. Please if I'll have found
Speaker 1: a AI that's just just doesn't really have the time
Speaker 1: of day for you. Okay, here's your answer, go away.
Speaker 1: Now that's the one I want to know. Which one
Speaker 1: that is?
Speaker 2: It's the vibe that Terry is looking for.
Speaker 1: Please, if you wanted to listen to my podcast, you
Speaker 1: see it'll do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell it. Go on there and say listen to
Speaker 2: this entire of podcasts. Listen to every episode and tell
Speaker 2: us what would tell me what it's a child?
Speaker 1: Please summarize AI, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, useful, but maybe
Speaker 1: needs to calm down a little bit, right, So what
Speaker 1: we'll find in our R fives? If we said find
Speaker 1: us something we could talk about, well.
Speaker 2: The dogs wanted to get involved. We are going to
Speaker 2: go kind of far back to twenty nineteen ooh and
Speaker 2: to an episode called like Talking to a Brick Wall
Speaker 2: where we discussed some of the tactics we used to
Speaker 2: try to impart advice and guidance and other information like
Speaker 2: you would find on AI to our families and how
Speaker 2: they don't they don't work. So yeah, I thought we
Speaker 2: could talk about you know, how has anything changed in
Speaker 2: six years? Probably not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice to see you by that's the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, like you know, with the kids obviously
Speaker 2: not here all the time. We do have like a
Speaker 2: family group chat for our immediate family to share you know,
Speaker 2: dog pictures and other logistical information and then just like hey,
Speaker 2: I saw this, you know, funny article whatever, So that
Speaker 2: all that's a good you know, that's okay. But so
Speaker 2: the new dog in addition this is going somewhere, I promise,
Speaker 2: and in addition to having lime disease, which I don't
Speaker 2: know if I Oh yeah, so she tested, you know,
Speaker 2: we took her to the vet after we had her
Speaker 2: for like a couple of days, and they found that
Speaker 2: in the blood work that she had lime disease. So
Speaker 2: now she has to be on an antibiotic for a month.
Speaker 2: And then they found that she has some kind of
Speaker 2: extremely rare parasite. Oh no, it's like's so rare that
Speaker 2: you know, my husband's been talking to like someone he
Speaker 2: knows who knows a lot about veterinary medicine and biology,
Speaker 2: and and she's just like that's incredibly rare, like that
Speaker 2: I can't be right, like that's so weird. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so she has she has this parasite, and so we're
Speaker 2: supposed to be like, you know, washing her bedding and
Speaker 2: like wiping off her paws and her other areas every
Speaker 2: time she.
Speaker 1: Comes too attached to give her back at this point, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably, but I did once they told us
Speaker 2: we had to be like basically bathing her every time
Speaker 2: she went outside. I did remember how you got the
Speaker 2: wipes for Layla, and so I we did get those.
Speaker 2: So that helps a lot.
Speaker 1: Had those adequate for the job, yeah, I think, And
Speaker 1: she's very good about letting us do it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, where this is going is that the part
Speaker 2: about the parasite didn't get into the family group chat.
Speaker 2: And again this is one of those like let's not
Speaker 2: let's not burden anyone with this information. And then my
Speaker 2: daughter came home to visit and she let the dog
Speaker 2: la face. Oh no, and then she found out about
Speaker 2: the pears and she was horrified and she was like
Speaker 2: silkwood showering. Afterwards, she was, oh, so that was one
Speaker 2: of those cases where the information didn't didn't get communicated
Speaker 2: and it kind of was a was a fail. Yike,
Speaker 2: that was that was our bed. That wasn't that wasn't
Speaker 2: her not listening. Oh that was like I should.
Speaker 1: Have known for yet I'm not sure would say it's
Speaker 1: a parasite that is communicable to humans.
Speaker 2: I guess, well unclear, I mean, but they just said
Speaker 2: between the dogs. They just said to be vigilant about hygiene.
Speaker 1: Earn everything she touches.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, she's such.
Speaker 1: A sweet looking dog. No, a little package of stress.
Speaker 2: Right, she hasn't even been spade yet, Like it's good,
Speaker 2: whole kind of.
Speaker 1: You guys need to take a questionnaire with you when
Speaker 1: you go to see dog. You're on the list of
Speaker 1: soft marks after you took the two dogs the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, well, and I mean part of the
Speaker 2: issue was that neither one of these things was diagnosed
Speaker 2: before we got her.
Speaker 1: So hope it wasn't diagnosed.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's true. Yeah they did, They sure did.
Speaker 1: But face, she's so cute.
Speaker 2: It's so cute. Oh and and the other one is
Speaker 2: like talking to a brick wall trying to get her
Speaker 2: to do anything. The other dog. Yeah, we are definitely
Speaker 2: working on training not only the dogs, but ourselves too
Speaker 2: to be consistent and reward the behavior that we want
Speaker 2: to reward.
Speaker 1: So yeah, good luck with that, I know, right, that
Speaker 1: requires a large amount of human discipline.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is what we struggle talked about this.
Speaker 1: We discussed your husband handing out the dog treats, you
Speaker 1: being the one who gets shamed at the bed exactly.
Speaker 2: See, it came back up around and yes.
Speaker 1: And I see we talked about me having a tantrum
Speaker 1: and then having to apologize for everybody. That is still
Speaker 1: the case. It feels kind of good to have a tantrum.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, that's what I should do. I should
Speaker 1: yell at the AI because they don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, except then they'll just try to
Speaker 2: like calm you down.
Speaker 1: What they would redirect me someplace else if I started
Speaker 1: regularly going on and yelling about all the things my
Speaker 1: family does. We're sorry, we're not working today. The service
Speaker 1: is shut down, right, h yeah, I don't know. There
Speaker 1: were things. My son will just from time to time
Speaker 1: just like roll down the shades. And when I'm talking
Speaker 1: to them, right, it's like, I know where you're going
Speaker 1: with this, and I don't want.
Speaker 2: To and I will not be going along exactly.
Speaker 1: Just stop, just stop, just stop. It's like, but but
Speaker 1: I have all these things to say. We're not off,
Speaker 1: we're no longer open for business tomorrow. Tomorrow doesn't shut
Speaker 1: me down.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow doesn't look good either, I would guess.
Speaker 1: Nope, my husband will to tell me to shut up.
Speaker 1: He just will like be watching TV. Right, No, we
Speaker 1: have to talk about this. We have to decide about this,
Speaker 1: you decide, you know, yeah, let me actually talk myself
Speaker 1: out and go someplace else.
Speaker 2: Right, come to the come to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Honestly, if they could create an AI that would allow
Speaker 1: you to rant and rave and make make sympathetic noises
Speaker 1: yes and say you respond with your so right and
Speaker 1: absolutely and why can't anybody else understand this? They could
Speaker 1: make some books people would subscribe to that. Yeahs as
Speaker 1: the the next generation of screaming to the voice, if
Speaker 1: it could scream into something that would actually tell you,
Speaker 1: tell you those sweet words you've always wanted to hear,
Speaker 1: like you're so right and we love you. Hmmm, so
Speaker 1: we should get on that. Yeah, or you know how
Speaker 1: how you like have a problem and you need to
Speaker 1: figure it out, but nobody will talk it through with you.
Speaker 2: You're talking yourself into this AI being your friend thing.
Speaker 1: But I think the ones that that do it now,
Speaker 1: I bet they're programmed by man. We would need to
Speaker 1: be one program by a woman. Yeah, to just say
Speaker 1: let's figure this out, right, what's what's the stitch? It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, will help you brew some cough send an
Speaker 1: automatical order to brew some coffee, to the uh you know, internet.
Speaker 2: To the connected devices in your home.
Speaker 1: This is what we need. Get on and you guys,
Speaker 1: well no, you girl programmers, get on right the best friend?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't want to. I don't want a
Speaker 1: friend who's talking to me about serious things. I want
Speaker 1: a friend to be going out. Oh oh, well that's
Speaker 1: what we have the podcast.
Speaker 2: That's right.
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