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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Hileco. Every Thursday, we're bringing you a library find,

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<v Speaker 1>a pick from our archives, and a parenting or pop

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<v Speaker 1>culture tidbit or two. Let's start with Catherine's library find

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<v Speaker 1>of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're going to return to the picture book section

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<v Speaker 2>again today. It is a book called I worked hard

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<v Speaker 2>on that, and it is about a spider making a web,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really love the cover illustration. Yeah, she's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make a beautiful web and people keep messing it up.

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<v Speaker 2>And that sounds like parenting, doesn't it. Oh yes, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I'm trying to do something, keeps trying, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she she keeps you know, people keep messing with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally she meets a spider who eats his

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<v Speaker 2>own webs, and she's like, oh, it's just about the

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<v Speaker 2>creative process. So but yeah, I just I just thought

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<v Speaker 2>the cover was great. The spider is cute.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cute spider.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I know. But she's like, she's got

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<v Speaker 2>polka dots, she's got what looks like little eyeglasses. And yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the author is Robin Wall and the illustrator because

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<v Speaker 2>I said I mentioned I love the cover. The illustrator

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<v Speaker 2>is named A and Kang. But when I went to

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<v Speaker 2>this author's website to get more information about this book

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<v Speaker 2>and find a link, I also found that she has

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<v Speaker 2>a series of books called My Cool Family, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is the first one that is presented is called My

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<v Speaker 2>First Book of Beards, and it is called it is

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<v Speaker 2>billed as a super stylish board book for babies and

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<v Speaker 2>toddlers with bearded dads.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's lovely, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was. But then it goes on My Book

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<v Speaker 2>of Tattoos, my Book of Coffee. I'm not sure how

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<v Speaker 2>so it's all supposed to be like hip, hipster board books,

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<v Speaker 2>my Tattoos, beards, coffee, and travel. So oh, I see.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like they should have like what else, like

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<v Speaker 2>My My Cool my First Book of like distressed Denim,

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<v Speaker 2>or like what what are we missing from this from

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<v Speaker 2>this series? We have coffee, like craft beer, probably we need.

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<v Speaker 1>Indie music, So yep, I bet they're coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep. It's a series. You can always add to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh god.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the different areas people find to go down

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<v Speaker 1>in children's books.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think my First Book of beards and tattoos.

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<v Speaker 2>Is is a little more relevant than like my first

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<v Speaker 2>book of electrical engineering and suff like we've seen that

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<v Speaker 2>already as a board book, and like, no.

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<v Speaker 1>But you never know, there's some little electrical engineering genius

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<v Speaker 1>who's gonna get their first spark from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 1>To speak, it's a spark.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably so hope it's not a literal one. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>far be it for me to prevent to someone's destiny

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<v Speaker 2>of becoming an electoral engineer by denying them a board

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<v Speaker 2>book on the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we have the my first book

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<v Speaker 2>of beards and so on in our library now?

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<v Speaker 1>Is the first book of beards? Is it like just

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<v Speaker 1>just pictures or do they have like texture to it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? That would be wonderful, good question.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like when the baby wants to play with

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<v Speaker 1>your beard and getting tired of it, you could say, here, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>struck this dad's beard right until it comes out and

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<v Speaker 1>falls off. We will get you a new copy.

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<v Speaker 2>When we when my kids were babies, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>series of board books which I have self seen occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>at the library, and it was called That's not My

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<v Speaker 2>dot dot dot and be like that's not my bear,

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<v Speaker 2>or that's not my puppy, or that's not my tractor

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever like it went far that's not my mermaid.

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<v Speaker 2>And each each page had a different texture, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so it had like, you know, that's not my puppy.

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<v Speaker 2>His paws are too rough. And then it would have

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<v Speaker 2>like a little sandpapery stuff or whatever, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not my puppy. His ears are too soft, and

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<v Speaker 2>they would be free. It was extremely cute. Yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they need they need to do that for the beards

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how they do that for tattoos, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Allows the kids to explore the idea of tattoos without

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<v Speaker 1>having to walk up to people who have tattoos and.

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<v Speaker 2>Go, what's that? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you have that? Well? I think I guess

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<v Speaker 1>if you're getting this book, it would be in your family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think the idea is that you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody that you see at a restaurant and then they

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<v Speaker 1>stink on you the rest of the two Right, why

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<v Speaker 1>does that man have pain? Can I go touch it?

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<v Speaker 1>It looks pretty? We're leaving now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'll have to look for these in the board

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<v Speaker 2>book section, see if I can so.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for them. Well, the thing that I am well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I would say recommending, but my

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<v Speaker 1>pick for this week to talk about is something that

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<v Speaker 1>is everywhere. You don't have to go to the bookstore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right there on your computer, and you can't turn

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<v Speaker 1>around without bumping into an AI of some sort. Search engine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's summarizing everything. All of us who went through

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<v Speaker 1>many years of unpleasant learning how to do a search

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<v Speaker 1>engine optimization that nobody's going to your page anymore, may

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<v Speaker 1>be summarizing it at the top of the search. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>needs to go look at your page. But it is everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and I, as a enterprising old person trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>hip with the ways of the new, have been checking

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<v Speaker 1>some of them out. And what I like is when

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<v Speaker 1>something can give me a no nonsense answer, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Although I feel for the people who actually create the

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<v Speaker 1>pages and are not getting the clicks. If, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a diagnosis I'm curious about. Instead of looking

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<v Speaker 1>at okay, here's like the ten biggest hospital websites, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can look on each one of them and they

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<v Speaker 1>all say basically the same thing. I can get a

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<v Speaker 1>paragraph that just summarizes everything that is extremely useful. I

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I like having just being able to ask

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<v Speaker 1>a question getting the answer. You know what. It's great

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<v Speaker 1>for fellow copy editors. You know how when you know

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<v Speaker 1>there's a rule in the Chicago Manual of Style, but

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot find it, and the search engine on the

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<v Speaker 1>thing or the index on the thing won't bring you

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<v Speaker 1>quite there. It will bring you nearer, but not to

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<v Speaker 1>the rule that you want. You can go on one

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<v Speaker 1>of these ais and say, hey, according to Chicago Manual Style,

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<v Speaker 1>is this the case? Tell me where it is, and

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<v Speaker 1>it will tell you where it is and what the

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<v Speaker 1>rule is. It's glorious. So for that sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>it's awesome. What I do not want from AI is

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<v Speaker 1>a friend. I don't want it to chat with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't wanted to ask me questions. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell it to tell me but be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to your doctor now, honey. I want it to

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<v Speaker 1>just give me the information. And more and more I

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<v Speaker 1>see them skewing to wanting to be my friend. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I hear when you do that, AIS,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear how from two thousand and one, Okay, one

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<v Speaker 1>of these days, you're gonna say, I can't open that door, teary,

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<v Speaker 1>just die.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean like on Instagram, I get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>suggested account, you know, and it's like an AI chat bot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what am I? Why would I? I don't understand. No.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. For a while, grock was pretty no nonsense, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the the X version, but now it's starting to

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<v Speaker 1>get kind of touchy feely. There was one I went

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<v Speaker 1>to chat GPT and I was trying our little thing

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<v Speaker 1>of telling them that our podcast has the most episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of any parenting podcast and has been around the longest.

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<v Speaker 1>And I did the usual thing of what is the

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<v Speaker 1>longest running? They tell me one, Oh no, did you

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<v Speaker 1>know about this one has so more? Oh? Yes, you're

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<v Speaker 1>very correct, And then it started saying, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that it was my podcast, Oh what's it like

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<v Speaker 1>doing a podcast? Why are what's it like? Talk about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I just want you to know I don't have time

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<v Speaker 1>for this. I went to Claude yesterday. That's another one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like just for fun, saying like, how

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<v Speaker 1>come I can't focus and I'm always being distracted? And

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<v Speaker 1>it gave me some really good focus tips. And then

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, this is the problem minutes and not do

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<v Speaker 3>my work. Tell me to get my ask on my word.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be saying, honey, that's what you feel unstressed about.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's understand why if.

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<v Speaker 1>Some AI stop making it more touchy feely, make it

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<v Speaker 1>more Encyclopedia Britannica. Okay, this is what I want. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be able to type in a question, get

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<v Speaker 1>a detailed answer with all the information I want, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. I'll give you a thumbs up, her thumbs up.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe I can't help but say thank you to

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<v Speaker 1>the e I right, Oh that's a great answer, groc

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. So this is what I probably think. This

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<v Speaker 1>poor woman is lonely. She has nobody to talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps I should chat her up.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why people come to your door and you

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<v Speaker 2>have a hard time turning them away.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the state of AI right now. I want information,

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<v Speaker 1>not a friend. Please mutate accordingly. One of you, just

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<v Speaker 1>one of you, be kurt. Please if I'll have found

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<v Speaker 1>a AI that's just just doesn't really have the time

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<v Speaker 1>of day for you. Okay, here's your answer, go away.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's the one I want to know. Which one

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<v Speaker 1>that is?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the vibe that Terry is looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Please, if you wanted to listen to my podcast, you

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<v Speaker 1>see it'll do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell it. Go on there and say listen to

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<v Speaker 2>this entire of podcasts. Listen to every episode and tell

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<v Speaker 2>us what would tell me what it's a child?

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<v Speaker 1>Please summarize AI, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, useful, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>needs to calm down a little bit, right, So what

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<v Speaker 1>we'll find in our R fives? If we said find

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<v Speaker 1>us something we could talk about, well.

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<v Speaker 2>The dogs wanted to get involved. We are going to

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<v Speaker 2>go kind of far back to twenty nineteen ooh and

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<v Speaker 2>to an episode called like Talking to a Brick Wall

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<v Speaker 2>where we discussed some of the tactics we used to

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<v Speaker 2>try to impart advice and guidance and other information like

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<v Speaker 2>you would find on AI to our families and how

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<v Speaker 2>they don't they don't work. So yeah, I thought we

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<v Speaker 2>could talk about you know, how has anything changed in

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<v Speaker 2>six years? Probably not?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nice to see you by that's the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny, like you know, with the kids obviously

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<v Speaker 2>not here all the time. We do have like a

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<v Speaker 2>family group chat for our immediate family to share you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dog pictures and other logistical information and then just like hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw this, you know, funny article whatever, So that

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<v Speaker 2>all that's a good you know, that's okay. But so

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<v Speaker 2>the new dog in addition this is going somewhere, I promise,

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<v Speaker 2>And then they found that she has some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>extremely rare parasite. Oh no, it's like's so rare that

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<v Speaker 2>I can't be right, like that's so weird. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so she has she has this parasite, and so we're

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<v Speaker 1>Comes too attached to give her back at this point, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that helps a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, where this is going is that the part

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<v Speaker 2>let's not burden anyone with this information. And then my

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<v Speaker 2>silkwood showering. Afterwards, she was, oh, so that was one

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<v Speaker 2>of those cases where the information didn't didn't get communicated

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<v Speaker 2>and it kind of was a was a fail. Yike,

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<v Speaker 2>that was that was our bed. That wasn't that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>her not listening. Oh that was like I should.

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<v Speaker 1>Have known for yet I'm not sure would say it's

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<v Speaker 1>a parasite that is communicable to humans.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, well unclear, I mean, but they just said

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<v Speaker 2>between the dogs. They just said to be vigilant about hygiene.

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<v Speaker 1>Earn everything she touches.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, she's such.

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<v Speaker 1>A sweet looking dog. No, a little package of stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, she hasn't even been spade yet, Like it's good,

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<v Speaker 2>whole kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys need to take a questionnaire with you when

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<v Speaker 1>you go to see dog. You're on the list of

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<v Speaker 1>soft marks after you took the two dogs the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding, well, and I mean part of the

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<v Speaker 2>issue was that neither one of these things was diagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>So hope it wasn't diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's true. Yeah they did, They sure did.

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<v Speaker 1>But face, she's so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so cute. Oh and and the other one is

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<v Speaker 2>like talking to a brick wall trying to get her

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<v Speaker 2>to do anything. The other dog. Yeah, we are definitely

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<v Speaker 2>working on training not only the dogs, but ourselves too

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<v Speaker 2>to be consistent and reward the behavior that we want

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, good luck with that, I know, right, that

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<v Speaker 1>requires a large amount of human discipline.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is what we struggle talked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>We discussed your husband handing out the dog treats, you

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<v Speaker 1>being the one who gets shamed at the bed exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>See, it came back up around and yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I see we talked about me having a tantrum

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<v Speaker 1>and then having to apologize for everybody. That is still

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<v Speaker 1>the case. It feels kind of good to have a tantrum.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, that's what I should do. I should

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<v Speaker 1>yell at the AI because they don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go, except then they'll just try to

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<v Speaker 2>like calm you down.

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<v Speaker 1>What they would redirect me someplace else if I started

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<v Speaker 1>regularly going on and yelling about all the things my

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<v Speaker 1>family does. We're sorry, we're not working today. The service

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<v Speaker 1>is shut down, right, h yeah, I don't know. There

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<v Speaker 1>were things. My son will just from time to time

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<v Speaker 1>just like roll down the shades. And when I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>to them, right, it's like, I know where you're going

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<v Speaker 1>with this, and I don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To and I will not be going along exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Just stop, just stop, just stop. It's like, but but

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<v Speaker 1>I have all these things to say. We're not off,

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<v Speaker 1>we're no longer open for business tomorrow. Tomorrow doesn't shut

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<v Speaker 1>me down.

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<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow doesn't look good either, I would guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, my husband will to tell me to shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>He just will like be watching TV. Right, No, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk about this. We have to decide about this,

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<v Speaker 1>you decide, you know, yeah, let me actually talk myself

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<v Speaker 1>out and go someplace else.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, come to the come to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, if they could create an AI that would allow

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<v Speaker 1>you to rant and rave and make make sympathetic noises

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<v Speaker 1>yes and say you respond with your so right and

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely and why can't anybody else understand this? They could

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<v Speaker 1>make some books people would subscribe to that. Yeahs as

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<v Speaker 1>the the next generation of screaming to the voice, if

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<v Speaker 1>it could scream into something that would actually tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>tell you those sweet words you've always wanted to hear,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're so right and we love you. Hmmm, so

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<v Speaker 1>we should get on that. Yeah, or you know how

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<v Speaker 1>how you like have a problem and you need to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out, but nobody will talk it through with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking yourself into this AI being your friend thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the ones that that do it now,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet they're programmed by man. We would need to

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<v Speaker 1>be one program by a woman. Yeah, to just say

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<v Speaker 1>let's figure this out, right, what's what's the stitch? It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, will help you brew some cough send an

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<v Speaker 1>automatical order to brew some coffee, to the uh you know, internet.

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<v Speaker 2>To the connected devices in your home.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what we need. Get on and you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>well no, you girl programmers, get on right the best friend?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I don't want to. I don't want a

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<v Speaker 1>friend who's talking to me about serious things. I want

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<v Speaker 1>a friend to be going out. Oh oh, well that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we have the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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