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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back the drivetime on ESPN seven hundred order Larcen

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Parks filling in for Spence check Its on the drive,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, recapping the Super Bowl championship for the Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles hometown Britton Covey now a Super Bowl champ. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to all of that as the show goes along

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of NFL guests to close out the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>Omar Ruiz of the NFL Network, Robert Johnson, the former

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<v Speaker 1>NFL safety and ute, and then Stevenson Sylvester of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the former Pittsburgh Steeler linebacker played in a Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>himself and now covering the utes and joining the station regularly.

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<v Speaker 1>But now we're talking oops with Tom Haberstrow, the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>daily assist Weekly with our guy, Tom Haberstrow. Tom, how's

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<v Speaker 1>your weekend, my friend? Crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>Another crazy weekend in the NBA. Maybe you know last

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<v Speaker 2>weekend was even crazier. Of course, Luca Doncha's trade. But

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<v Speaker 2>the fact of the matter is, you know this next

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<v Speaker 2>rescinded trade. Mark Williams. I was on the air once

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<v Speaker 2>again with the Blazers broadcast when that news broke. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a never a dull moment. Do I dare say

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<v Speaker 2>Porter that the NBA stole the stage during Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>Week from the NFL after the NFL tried to take

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<v Speaker 2>that corner on Christmas Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was gonna I was gonna ask you, what

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<v Speaker 1>is the what does the need to look like on

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<v Speaker 1>a on a Super Bowl Sunday for a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>I know is very hoop centric. I know I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>football guy, so for me, I'll be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even there was no NBA anything on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>But it look like for Tom Haberstraw on a Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl Sunday, is it it's still all hoops? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>a watching? Is it in the background? It is?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Luckily for the NBA, they had the matinee game, so

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<v Speaker 2>there were three games on the NBA schedule, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>all programmed to get over and done with before the

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<v Speaker 2>festivities begin over there in New Orleans, and so they

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<v Speaker 2>typically do this where they all have like one or

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<v Speaker 2>two games on Super Bowl Sunday. I had written my

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<v Speaker 2>Tom's title Tears, which I do every Monday at Tomdefinder

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com on my sub stack, where I will rank

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<v Speaker 2>into tears the title contenders and usually that goes out

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<v Speaker 2>Monday morning, but because it was Super Bowl Sunday, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, I'm going to get it out early.

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<v Speaker 2>So I stayed up late Saturday night, early into into

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday morning writing that piece. And so once that piece

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<v Speaker 2>got out to my subscribers on Sunday morning, I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of put the NBA to bed and it was full,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with my kids. My wife went over to

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<v Speaker 2>her friend's house and watched the Super Bowl, and my

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<v Speaker 2>friend is a big Eagles fan, so that was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. But it really was interesting how at

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<v Speaker 2>the topic of conversation at the Super Bowl party, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it was about Luca and and the and

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers and the potential move to Vegas, all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that we talked about on Basketball Luminadi Life Week.

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<v Speaker 2>We had the guy that the Dallas attorney who concocted

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<v Speaker 2>the theory that this Luka Doncic trade was not about

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<v Speaker 2>basketball reasons. This was all about the Adolesen family from

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas that buys the team in Dallas wants to build

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<v Speaker 2>leverage with the Texas legislature to push through resort casinos

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<v Speaker 2>and sports gambling. That's why they traded Luka Doncic in

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's opinion, and all of this has kind of

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<v Speaker 2>taken a life of its own. This idea that Luka

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<v Speaker 2>Doncic was traded as part of this larger scheme to

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<v Speaker 2>tank the MAVs franchise and build leverage to get the

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<v Speaker 2>Texas legislature to cave and allow sports gambling and resort casinos.

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<v Speaker 2>We heard from Patrick Dumont, who's the governor there for

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<v Speaker 2>the governor of the the Dallas Mavericks, who pooh poohed

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that no, we are here to stay in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course Porter, that's what Clay Bennett said about

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<v Speaker 2>Seattle before he picked up and moved the team to

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<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma City, his backyard where his businesses were. So until Porter,

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<v Speaker 2>until that Las Vegas expansion team is awarded by the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this whole Mavericks Luca trade will still be

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<v Speaker 2>in the shadows, just existing, because otherwise, ma'am, it really

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make much sense from a basketball perspective, especially hindsight

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. But now that we learn that Anthony Davis

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<v Speaker 2>is out for the foreseeable future, according to Mark Stein, indefinitely,

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<v Speaker 2>potentially a season ending injury, it just adds more way

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<v Speaker 2>to the idea that this was a really, really bad

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<v Speaker 2>gamble by the Dallas Mavericks to trade Luca for Anthony Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned obviously that the Anthony Davis going down maybe

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<v Speaker 1>indefinitely part that doesn't help the case for the Dallas Mavericks,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you're talking long term right there, play is

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<v Speaker 1>this is our long term future. They didn't they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to invest in Luca in that way. Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>your long term future is on this guy, and Anthony Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>who we know is prone to not being on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor for large parts of the year outside of last

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<v Speaker 1>year really was the first year he played seventy plus

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<v Speaker 1>games in the last half decade plus. And then Kyrie Irving,

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<v Speaker 1>who again, whether it's off the floor or on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we know is outside of the last calendar year

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes not as reliable. So for you, from my standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, it's it's hard to find much sense there.

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<v Speaker 1>You saw Mark Cuban come out and say that like

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<v Speaker 1>he is obviously not as part of the basketball operation stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>There are conspiracies everywhere, Tom, I wonder, I wonder personally

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<v Speaker 1>why we're not hearing maybe more on the basketball side,

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<v Speaker 1>from Jason Kidd, from the the Mavericks. Maybe the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing I can think of, Tom, is that there is

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<v Speaker 1>something that they know about Luca basketball wise or medical wise,

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe they made a deal with the Lakers not

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<v Speaker 1>to open this up to the market, make the deal happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's something behind the scenes that is was the

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<v Speaker 1>reason you got this deal across the finish line. Because

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<v Speaker 1>like you, I just I don't find any reason on

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<v Speaker 1>the basketball side for it. Where where have you landed

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the conspiracy needle or do we still

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot to learn.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not convinced by the basketball reasons. I just can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe they not only traded Luca, but for fifty cents

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<v Speaker 2>on the dollar. The Lakers did not put in multiple

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<v Speaker 2>first round picks, the twenty nine or the thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>They put in the twenty nine, but not the thirty one,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that one went to the Charlotte Hornets, which

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<v Speaker 2>has now been nixed. So the Lakers do get that back,

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<v Speaker 2>and the twenty eight swap that they had traded originally

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<v Speaker 2>for Mark Williams now is backing their coffers. But the

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<v Speaker 2>idea is like the Mavericks could have extracted way more

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<v Speaker 2>value for Luka Doncich than they did, and it begs

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<v Speaker 2>the question why didn't they? How is it possible that

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<v Speaker 2>they were the ones who called the Lakers wanting so

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<v Speaker 2>badly to trade Lucadntich for Anthony Davis that they were

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<v Speaker 2>willing to not even get extra picks in the deal

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<v Speaker 2>or Dalton connect in the deal, and they were willing

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<v Speaker 2>to settle for what I said on this program last week,

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<v Speaker 2>the B minus package from the Los Angeles Lakers. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas fans are holding on to the fact or at

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<v Speaker 2>least they did that Anthony Davis the last two years

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<v Speaker 2>has been healthier than Luka Doncis. But that seems to

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<v Speaker 2>me like arbitrary endpoints, Like if we look at the scope,

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<v Speaker 2>the larger scope of Anthony Davis, he's had six times

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<v Speaker 2>in his NBA career in which he has had a

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<v Speaker 2>severe enough injury that it has knocked him out for

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<v Speaker 2>at least ten consecutive games. Luca Doncis and it was

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<v Speaker 2>this year that's it one on his ledger in seven

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<v Speaker 2>seasons he's had won In the last seven seasons, Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Davis has had six and potentially now seven with this

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<v Speaker 2>new adductor injury that could be knocking him out for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the season. This idea that Luca was

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<v Speaker 2>more of an injury risk based on what we know,

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<v Speaker 2>based on his his injury history, and he's chubby, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera, it's asinine. It's asinine. The fact

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<v Speaker 2>of the matter is Anthony Davis last seven seasons, basically

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<v Speaker 2>overlapping with Luka Doncicic's career, has played in seventy two

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<v Speaker 2>percent of his games and Lucas Dontich has played in

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of his games. So Anthony Davis has been

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<v Speaker 2>more reliability from a physical standpoint, Even forgetting the whole

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<v Speaker 2>he's older, He's five years older than Luka Doncic. Then

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<v Speaker 2>when you throw in the fact that he's five years

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<v Speaker 2>older than Luka Doncic and the fact that he's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that is going to be dependent on defensively a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more than Luka Danvich's and so there's just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot more on his shoulders going forward. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me like this was not totally about basketball reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>There's got to be something else. And Patrick Dumont has

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<v Speaker 2>thrown cold water on the idea that this is a

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<v Speaker 2>larger scheme to move the team to Las Vegas. But

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<v Speaker 2>until there's a team in Las Vegas, I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that that theory is going to die.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, here at MRI, we haven't seen like that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm wondering. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time this came up, I just kept thinking, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's something I'm missing here, Like, there's really something I'm

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<v Speaker 3>missing here. So we'll see what happens going forward. As

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<v Speaker 3>far as what happens with the Lakers, they played the

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<v Speaker 3>Jazz coming up tonight. Going forward, how do you see

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<v Speaker 3>this changing your view on how you rank them big picture,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it be pre tender like contender contender, and when

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<v Speaker 3>this is all said and done, where they fit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great question. I love the fit between Lebron

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<v Speaker 2>and and Luca. I think they will both benefit in

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<v Speaker 2>the same way that Kyrie Irving kind of took some

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<v Speaker 2>of the should the weight off of Luca Donci's shoulders.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Lebron can do the same thing for Luca,

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<v Speaker 2>and Lucan can do the same thing for Lebron. There's

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<v Speaker 2>such elite passers, they're so gifted in terms of how

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<v Speaker 2>they get their shots. Lebron and Luca you can put

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<v Speaker 2>them on any place on the chessboard and they will

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<v Speaker 2>be effective. Lebron could be a screen or Luca can

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<v Speaker 2>be a screener. Lebron is six 's eight two eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing with Luca Doncis. He's huge. He can play

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<v Speaker 2>multiple positions, not just the point guard, but he could

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<v Speaker 2>probably play the five in certain situations, just like Lebron.

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<v Speaker 2>And they might need to because now that the Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Williams trade has been rescented and Mark Williams is not

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<v Speaker 2>a great defender. He's one of the worst defenders at

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<v Speaker 2>the position in the NBA. I wrote about this for

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<v Speaker 2>Yahoo and at Tom deefiner dot com. Is he's he

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<v Speaker 2>They might have dodged a bull here in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that like it might be a blessing in disguise that

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<v Speaker 2>that trade got nicked because he is not a good defender.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at Anthony Davis had forty and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>against Mark Williams in the Charlotte Hornets a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago, Niko Levushovich, Daniel Gafford, Evan Mobley all season

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<v Speaker 2>highs against Mark Williams so the idea that Mark Williams

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be there kind of Grek Lively or

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<v Speaker 2>there Walker Kessler, a guy who can protect the rim

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<v Speaker 2>and be an anchor for them at the five, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a pipe dream. He has never been that in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA and he's only played forty percent of his

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<v Speaker 2>NBA games, So from a health standpoint and from a

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<v Speaker 2>defensive liability standpoint, not a great fit. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't really have much of an alternatives because on

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<v Speaker 2>the roster they have Jackson Hayes and that's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>They have some two way guys and Christian Wood who's

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson Hayes and Lebron James. Those are your like centers

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<v Speaker 2>on the team. And so Jackson Hayes, interestingly enough, was

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that went to dinner. According to Dave McManaman

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<v Speaker 2>interestingly is becoming a focal point of this Lakers team,

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<v Speaker 2>not just because he's like the only living and breathing

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<v Speaker 2>And so they all went to dinner. The three of

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<v Speaker 2>them went to dinner, and apparently, according to Davic Menamon Lebron,

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<v Speaker 2>questions about whether he could be the anchor of a

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<v Speaker 2>playoff contender, a title contender as the starting center for

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers. And this is kind of this interesting dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>where the Lakers right now are leaning on Jackson Hayes

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<v Speaker 2>to be their defensive anchor and lob threat, which he

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<v Speaker 2>can really do. But defense, I'm not so sure that's

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<v Speaker 2>I still have them as a two star contender on

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<v Speaker 2>three star, four star, five star. The only five star

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<v Speaker 2>title contenders I have in my book are the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>City Funder, Boston Celtics, and the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>are far beyond that. I don't think that they're close.

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<v Speaker 2>And this Mark Williams trade, the upside of him figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out defense, I think it was worth a swing like

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<v Speaker 2>the upside. It's a high risk, high reward move for

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers to try to get Mark Williams. But the

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<v Speaker 2>alternative after the trade deadline, they can't go and make

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<v Speaker 2>a trade until the end of the season, until the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think the Lakers They're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun offensively, but defensively it could be a

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<v Speaker 2>disaster unless Jackson Hayes becomes this all world defender, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not betting on it, but you know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't gonna bet on Mark Williams be in that too.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned obviously that the center is kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>they have to figure out long term. What does it

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<v Speaker 1>look like tonight, because although as of this instant, Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron James is listed as days day and Luca Doncics

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<v Speaker 1>has now been upgraded to probable, folks on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>are telling the station that there are Lucas shirts draped

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<v Speaker 1>over all of the seats in the arena, So I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's gonna play. I think you're gonna see both

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron and Luca tonight. What does it look like on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor for the first time. Does it takes some

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<v Speaker 1>time to gel or as you mentioned, with these two

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<v Speaker 1>guys being so interchangeable, the passers the shooters that they are,

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<v Speaker 1>is it something that you think should be pretty seamless.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, is Dalton Connect playing? Question?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the rules there? Is he technically weird?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I saw Dalton Connect on Friday in Charlotte

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<v Speaker 2>outside the Charlotte locker room walking into the Charlotte locker

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<v Speaker 2>room because he was the newest member of Charlotte Hornets.

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<v Speaker 2>How was that shoot around the Spurs? Victor Rebana was

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<v Speaker 2>in town and you know, there's Dalton Connect. I was like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he just came over. The trade deadline was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>less than twenty four hours ago, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's already here, he's ready to play. And if he

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<v Speaker 2>had played in that Friday night game, I think league

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<v Speaker 4>So it's it's a very fascinating little subplot, is you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if if they it's somehow cleared enough to allow Connect

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<v Speaker 2>But of course Jackson Hayes's likely starter for them going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>They have no real depth there, So what's really concerning

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<v Speaker 2>from a minute standpoint is Lebron James will probably have

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<v Speaker 2>to play some at the five. He doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>do that if they Davis didn't want to play at

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<v Speaker 2>the five because it was so grueling and it beat

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<v Speaker 2>him up, so which.

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<v Speaker 1>Was ridiculous to me, by the way. That's the one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the point when it comes to that twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>run where they had a starting five next to him.

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<v Speaker 2>But Anthony Davis is not a good three point shooter,

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<v Speaker 2>not a good spacer at the four. So when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the Lakers, I think they're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>basically make sure that Lebron and Luca are happy that

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<v Speaker 2>they find some sort of synergy there. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it will take long. But in terms of beating the Thunder,

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<v Speaker 2>beating the Grizzlies, beating the Houston Rockets, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to do that with Jackson Hayes as your

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<v Speaker 2>starting center. If he gets in any sort of foul trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm sure the Utah Jazz were a great foul

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<v Speaker 2>drawing team. They get to the free throw line, a

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<v Speaker 2>ton Isaiah Collier is gonna be going right at this

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<v Speaker 2>dude every time he gets an opportunity because they're so

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<v Speaker 2>thin at the center position that that is what teams

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna be doing. They're gonna be hunting Jackson Hayes

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to get the Lakers to go to their

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<v Speaker 2>bench because they are remarkably thin and the and the

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<v Speaker 2>buyout market is not going to be strong. It turns

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<v Speaker 2>out that Alex Lynn, who is weighed by the Sacramento Kings,

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<v Speaker 2>to facilitate some of these trades, he's going to the

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana Pacers. And so you're looking at like Daniel Tice,

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<v Speaker 2>You're looking at some random dudes around the league that

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<v Speaker 2>you know have been just sitting on the waiver wire.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the Lakers try to to, you know, in a

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<v Speaker 2>flyer on some of these guys, or do they just say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not worth it this season to spend the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of money or wasting a roster spot they have to

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<v Speaker 2>waive someone in order to add another center. It might

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<v Speaker 2>be a situation where they look at this and say,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just wait till this summer rather than giving up

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of financial or roster assets to make this happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just roll the dice here, see where it gets us.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course, that's another year of Lebron James not

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<v Speaker 2>competing at the highest levels. And of course, you know

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<v Speaker 2>he could be a free agent, and Luka Dancisch is

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<v Speaker 2>a free agent in twenty twenty six, So the Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>are on the clock right now, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>So by no means am I picking DeAndre Hunter to

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<v Speaker 3>someday be a captain for the NBA All Star Weekend. However,

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<v Speaker 3>that move with him going to Cleveland with Donovan Mitchell

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<v Speaker 3>and company, I did like this in terms of what

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<v Speaker 3>they're trying to do to get as many of those

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<v Speaker 3>final pieces needed to become a championship team. How much

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<v Speaker 3>of this kind of changed your trajectory of what you

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<v Speaker 3>think can be in that battle, because we all know

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<v Speaker 3>trying to top the Celtics in the postseason is no

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's interesting is the Atlanta Hawks traded a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of starters, bog Don Bogdanovic at leasing core members

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<v Speaker 2>Bogdan Bogdanovic and DeAndre Hunter. They lose Jalen Johnson for

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<v Speaker 2>the season and they don't have their pick this year.

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<v Speaker 2>So Utah is looking at this like, man, we're in

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<v Speaker 2>the Cooper Flag sweepstakes. The Atlanta Hawks traded two of

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<v Speaker 2>their better players, if not their best players. You know

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<v Speaker 2>in this deal that we're remaining on the team. Trey

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<v Speaker 2>Young is a question mark going forward, Accordey to Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Haynes that his future in Atlanta is murky. And DeAndre

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<v Speaker 2>Hunters good man, he's really good and he's a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's shooting thirty nine percent from three. He's excellent on

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<v Speaker 2>Dho's handoffs. He's the number one most efficient scorer off

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<v Speaker 2>of the handoffs in the NBA. The only one who's

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<v Speaker 2>close is Darius Garland of the Cleveland Cavaliers. So they

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<v Speaker 2>already use that action a ton. He can space at

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<v Speaker 2>the four, potentially even at the five in Spurts.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't need it.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got Jared Allen and Evan Mobley at the five position.

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<v Speaker 2>What they need is a guy, a big wing who

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<v Speaker 2>can shoot and be a really strong defender next to

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Tatum, you know, guarding him in the playoffs. And

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<v Speaker 2>Isaac Carro, George Niang, these guys are not big enough

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<v Speaker 2>Max Druce to reliably guard Jason Tatum as much as

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<v Speaker 2>they would need to in a playoff series. But now

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<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Hunter, he's an above average defender, he's big, he's strong.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a really sneaky, underrated move at

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<v Speaker 2>the deadline with the Luka Doncrich trade, with the Darren

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<v Speaker 2>Fox trade, I think this deal with DeAndre Hunter is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get much play right now, but I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote about it on Tomdefinder dot com how much I

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<v Speaker 2>love this deal for them because if those Celtics go

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<v Speaker 2>small quote unquote with Christaps Zingis at the five five

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<v Speaker 2>out system, the Cleveland Cavaliers had a tough time matching

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<v Speaker 2>up because of that three, that big wing they did

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<v Speaker 2>not have. And if they want to go Jared Allen

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<v Speaker 2>at the five and DeAndre Hunter at the four, where

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<v Speaker 2>Evan Mobley at the five and DeAndre Hunter at the four,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really interesting. Now. Before that was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>blind spot, but now they're doing much better on paper

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<v Speaker 2>with the talent they have. I think the Cleveland Cavaliers

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<v Speaker 2>should be considered co favorites in the East. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're that good and Kenny Atkinson is We're that well coached,

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<v Speaker 2>or that team is well coached with Kenny Atkinson that

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Cleveland Cavaliers have a great chance of

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of the East now even better chance now

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<v Speaker 2>that they got DeAndre Hunter.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we set you loose, I'll let you get going

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<v Speaker 1>here here shortly, Tom zoom out on that last answer.

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<v Speaker 1>You just gave a little bit post trade deadline now

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<v Speaker 1>that rosters are outside of maybe a buyout or two,

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<v Speaker 1>which we've always discussed on the show, usually amounts to

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<v Speaker 1>very minimal as far as is moving the needle for

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<v Speaker 1>a tea team on the roster. There are some buyouts

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, proved to be rotational guys in the postseason,

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<v Speaker 1>but by and large, these rosters are set. Give me

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<v Speaker 1>a list of teams from the East from the West

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<v Speaker 1>that you think has a plausible chance of winning a

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<v Speaker 1>name NBA championship and if anything at the trade deadline

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<v Speaker 1>change those opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So for me, it's OK, see over Cleveland in

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<v Speaker 2>the finals. That's what I have right now. Cleveland's just humming.

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<v Speaker 2>They're young, They've got guys who were playoff tested last year,

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<v Speaker 2>learned a lot, got a new head coach. Boston just

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<v Speaker 2>looks like they are in a malaise, like they look

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<v Speaker 2>like they're bored. Maybe this is just the dog days

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<v Speaker 2>of the schedule that they just can't wait for the

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs to come around. I think it's not just those

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<v Speaker 2>two out of the East that have a chance at

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<v Speaker 2>getting to them a finals. I think it's a three

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<v Speaker 2>team race. I think it's it's not Indiana, it's New York.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's three teams coming out of the East

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<v Speaker 2>that have a real chance at winning the East and

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<v Speaker 2>meeting Oklahoma City in the finals. But on paper, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think anyone's gonna have a chance at this Thunder team. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they were so good without chet Holmgren. They are forty

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<v Speaker 2>one and nine without them, they get them back. They're

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<v Speaker 2>forty two and nine right now, and they have basically

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best point differentials in NBA history, and

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<v Speaker 2>most of the season they didn't have their second best

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<v Speaker 2>player in chet Holmgren. I just think the Thunder are

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<v Speaker 2>good and they're about to get way better with chet Holmgren,

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<v Speaker 2>who's one of the best young players in the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>and fits perfectly next to Isaiah Hartenstein. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Thunder are the team to beat, And if I could

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<v Speaker 2>put them, you know, on a six star tier, I would.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how much I really believe in the Oklahoma City Thunder.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, So what happened even just between now and last year. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they've drafted well and they have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to still draft as far as assets go. But what

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<v Speaker 1>changed even between now and last year? Where Nicola jokicch

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron James with with Luca on a roster, you still

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<v Speaker 1>have some of the best players on the planet in

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<v Speaker 1>the Western Conference where you think they are out front the.

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<v Speaker 2>Favorite well, First of all, Isaia Hertenstein is one of

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<v Speaker 2>guy who is an amazing passer rebounder, like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a demonis sa bonus hub where he's just he's a

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<v Speaker 2>great passer, energy guy. The Knicks just hated to lose

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<v Speaker 2>him in the offseason. That's a great addition. Secondly, you

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<v Speaker 2>know young this team is. They're one of the youngest

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<v Speaker 2>teams in the league. They're the fourth youngest, the Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>of the third youngest team by minutes played minutes weighted

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<v Speaker 2>average age. They're just a hair younger than the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>City Thunder. They're getting better. Their team, their players are

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<v Speaker 2>on that curve where they're developing and getting better year

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<v Speaker 2>over year, So every year they're just gonna get better.

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Williams took the made the leap shake, Gildris Alexander

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<v Speaker 2>made the leap from a from a playmaking and from

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<v Speaker 2>a scoring perspective, got even better. Chet Holmgren is even

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<v Speaker 2>better in the ten games that he are eleven games

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<v Speaker 2>that he's played is better. I think they are not

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<v Speaker 2>only just personnel wise better with Isaiah Hartenstein. Internally, those

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<v Speaker 2>young guys have gotten much more improved, and so with

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<v Speaker 2>every game they're getting better and better. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>think the sky's the limit for that team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's fun to watch, and that's what the

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<v Speaker 1>Jazz now have to contend with, regardless of how well

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Ainge and co. Navigate these next few years in

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA Draft and the like, You're gonna you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at okay see for quite a while. Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>Let the folks know where they can find you, what

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<v Speaker 1>they can find and and where to go at the

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<v Speaker 1>moment for Tom the Finder and your.

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<v Speaker 2>Other work, Yeah, Yahoo Sports national writer for them at

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<v Speaker 2>Yahoo is where I do most of my nationally writing.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to Timdefinder dot Com, I'm the basketball analytics

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<v Speaker 2>insider for the Point and Trail Blazers on their broadcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have a game tonight against the Nicoli Yokitch

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<v Speaker 2>ten Ver Nuggets at nine pm Eastern. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>not only that Basketball Illuminati Every Wednesday you're gonna want

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<v Speaker 2>to check out. This week, we have David Purdam of

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<v Speaker 2>ESPN dot com, the sports betting and reporter for ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>We have questions for him about Terry Rozier and that

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<v Speaker 2>potential scandal and the allegations there. And then of course

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<v Speaker 2>this Mavericks trade and the Adolesen family and the potential

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<v Speaker 2>for them to move to Vegas. We asked them about

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<v Speaker 2>that too, So that'll come out on Wednesday. Basketball Illuminati,

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<v Speaker 2>Basketball Illuminati, Basketball Basketball Illuminati. I say three times, keep

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<v Speaker 2>your third eye open. Thanks so much guys for having

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<v Speaker 2>me on. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom appreciate it. Man at Tom haberstro of course, Tomdefinder

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Of course we're talking about the much anticipated

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<v Speaker 1>debut of kJ Martin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I tweeted out yesterday. I mean, if that

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<v Speaker 3>news about the game being moved to ESPN doesn't, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a dead givel. Come on, I mean, that's confirmation, no,

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<v Speaker 3>and I love it just having some fun obviously ignoring

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<v Speaker 3>the Luca debut and all of that. I think it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the way he broke down the Lakers. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>in the contention, the right there, but there's still some

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<v Speaker 3>things you've got to get sorted out. They are not

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<v Speaker 3>a finished product. And then his breakdown obviously the Cavaliers.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's an eye opening one. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>unique with Cleveland now changing at this time of the year,

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<v Speaker 3>but now having more of what they needed to be

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<v Speaker 3>a better contender against Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that he, as you mentioned, brings up that

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<v Speaker 1>on the margins is where you a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>win titles. You go back to the Celtics title and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the signings they made in the off season,

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<v Speaker 1>bringing in Drew Holliday, right, the little things that they did,

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<v Speaker 1>although I think that's a much bigger deal Drew Holiday

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<v Speaker 1>than many people maybe made it to be. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>you win a title, and you make those little moves

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<v Speaker 1>incrementally you build up to as the Calves are now

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<v Speaker 1>the number one team in the East, I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>I think the East is going to be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more interesting than just those three. Tom is pretty confident

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<v Speaker 1>with the Knicks, the Celtics and the Calves. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think the East is going to be absolute chaos

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty five, but we shall see switching gears

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side. Omar Ruiz of the NFL Network.

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