Speaker 1: Welcome, welcome, Welcome to the third hour of the show.
Speaker 1: And you know many of us watched in deja vu horror.
Speaker 1: As a wide receiver, Tim Patrick went down in training
Speaker 1: camp again for the second year in a row. And
Speaker 1: when I heard it was an achilles, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 1: The first thing I thought about was Downtown's Healthcamp, and
Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird, but I was like, should
Speaker 1: I call them? Should I give him a ring and
Speaker 1: let him know? Because when I first started with Downtown's,
Speaker 1: which is now Region Revolution nine years ago, one of
Speaker 1: the first things that doctor Gary Ronimacher, who is one
Speaker 1: of the big cheese is there and I'm joined by
Speaker 1: Gary and Rachel Summers, who was the other big cheese there. Gary,
Speaker 1: that was your injury. Yeah, I didn't know you were
Speaker 1: a Bronco player, but.
Speaker 2: No, I wish, but thanks for having us, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that, uh, that brings back some memories. We
Speaker 2: were at the time looking into regenerative medicine and we
Speaker 2: were we were doing it in our office, but it's
Speaker 2: very on the on the load, on the lowdown. And
Speaker 2: then I had my injury and we won't get into that,
Speaker 2: but I was running after some kids that were keeping
Speaker 2: my house and in any case, my achilles you know,
Speaker 2: snapped and I ended up doing regenerative services in our
Speaker 2: office instead of surgery, which was recommended. And I remember
Speaker 2: going back to the ortho at the time, like ten
Speaker 2: weeks later, and he was like, this is healed better
Speaker 2: than when we do surgery.
Speaker 1: And you know that's the thing, because now he's going
Speaker 1: to be out the season. He's out the entire season
Speaker 1: because and I think, I do think now we found
Speaker 1: out it was a full tear, which is not it's
Speaker 1: a different the same as it was a full rupture
Speaker 1: and not just a tear. But when I see this stuff,
Speaker 1: and I know that a lot of professional athletes have
Speaker 1: used regenerative therapies and regenerative medicine for a long time now,
Speaker 1: but that's how I feel when I talk to someone
Speaker 1: who has any kind of injury. That is my first
Speaker 1: go to of like go try this and go do this. Rachel,
Speaker 1: you and I were just talking off the air about
Speaker 1: a show, because that's you know, Netflix show called Painkillers.
Speaker 1: What is pain Killers about?
Speaker 3: It's about out the opioid epidemic and how it kind
Speaker 3: of started in a certain part of America, that was
Speaker 3: sort of dehumanized, so that pharma kind of got away
Speaker 3: with prescribing an insane amount of these medications to people
Speaker 3: who lived in this part of the country.
Speaker 1: Is it all like the eastern Appalachian areas that were
Speaker 1: the concentrator.
Speaker 3: South like really like Virginia, right, Carolina's Tennessee, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that conversation is one of the conversations that
Speaker 1: people are paying attention to do. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: Chuck and I were having this conversation the other night
Speaker 1: because we were watching something on television and someone said
Speaker 1: I was prescribed prescription pain medication and I ended up
Speaker 1: being an addict. And he said, how often do you
Speaker 1: think that really happens. I think it happens a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it happens a shocking amount, like a surprising
Speaker 3: amount before people even realize it's happened, it's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, statistically, when what I've seen as of late is
Speaker 2: if you're prescribed an opioid for thirty days or just
Speaker 2: thirty three percent, chance you're addicted a year later.
Speaker 1: Shut up, Holy crap. Well that explains why doctors are like,
Speaker 1: I know you just had major surgery. Here's two pain
Speaker 1: pills and you go on your way. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a tough thing to balance. I mean a really tough thing.
Speaker 2: To balance, it really is. And the sad thing is
Speaker 2: is there some type of you know, people who become
Speaker 2: addicted to this are almost like ashamed. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: it's created such a huge problem. That's part of the
Speaker 2: homelessness problem that we have.
Speaker 1: I think it's a huge part of the homelessness And at.
Speaker 2: Ten X during COVID because we went to telehealth because
Speaker 2: you couldn't go to see your doctor and so prescriptions
Speaker 2: just went through the roof. And so that's actually our
Speaker 2: mission at Regenda Revolution is like, listen, let's let's get
Speaker 2: this area to heal naturally and regenerate it. And let's
Speaker 2: not let's avoid medications. Let's avoid surgeries because basically we
Speaker 2: see it every day, the side effects of people who
Speaker 2: come in who have been on medications and people who
Speaker 2: have come in who've had even replacements, who wish they
Speaker 2: never would have See.
Speaker 1: That was going to be my question, like what percentage
Speaker 1: of the people that come to Regil Revolution are looking
Speaker 1: or have already had some kind of surgery maybe but
Speaker 1: have Oh wow, So it's that high. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: thing that I think people don't realize. It's one of
Speaker 1: the things I try to talk about is that like
Speaker 1: knee replacements fail well, even if.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a knee replacement, even if it was an
Speaker 3: ACL repair from ten or twenty years ago, a lot
Speaker 3: of scar.
Speaker 4: Tissue is built up.
Speaker 3: The surgical technologies have evolved quite a lot since then
Speaker 3: and are less invasive, and so people who had surgeries five, ten,
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago have a lot more lasting effects.
Speaker 4: Than somebody who's going to have a surgery now. That's
Speaker 4: part of it.
Speaker 3: And then the other part of it is, you know,
Speaker 3: if they did have a replacement or they did just
Speaker 3: have a bad outcome from their surgery, now their other
Speaker 3: knee has been kind of compensating for that one for
Speaker 3: so long that it's wearing out and they don't want
Speaker 3: to go down that road again.
Speaker 1: When you look at the landsca of what's out there
Speaker 1: right now, because I did a Google last night, I
Speaker 1: was using the Google of what's happening with this field
Speaker 1: of medicine, like right now, it has gone from nine
Speaker 1: years ago when I used the Google and it was
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, we're going to do it on these
Speaker 1: very narrow applications. I feel like I read a study
Speaker 1: last night, and you're not doing this at regen Revolution
Speaker 1: where they're actually using it to regenerate kidneys for someone
Speaker 1: in renal kidney failure. That's super cool. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: this is the kind of like cutting edge stuff that
Speaker 1: is happening all over the country. What has changed since
Speaker 1: you guys started doing this just in the practice.
Speaker 2: You know, I think the big thing is is it works.
Speaker 2: People are getting benefits from it and it's helping them.
Speaker 2: And so I think that you know, scientists from all
Speaker 2: over the world are jumping in looking at this and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: how can we do all these different types of regenerative
Speaker 2: procedures for all these different types of conditions and stuff.
Speaker 2: And to your point, we don't do any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: But the studies that are out there that are happening
Speaker 2: are massive just because of the benefit that said that
Speaker 2: it has for people, and it is the future of medicine.
Speaker 2: It's no doubt the future of medicine. You know, exactly
Speaker 2: where it goes, I'm not sure, but I know regenerate
Speaker 2: the medicine will be a part of that.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not just it's not just about medicine. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Rachel, before I leave, I need
Speaker 1: to make my appointment for my own facial that I
Speaker 1: need to have done because some of the coolest stuff
Speaker 1: that's happening right now with you guys is not just
Speaker 1: about the inside, but it's also about looking good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean cosmetics and aesthetics, and you know, plastic
Speaker 3: surgery and cosmetic surgery has been a growing field for
Speaker 3: you know, my whole life. People I know who are
Speaker 3: like the you know, my mother's generation had facelifts and
Speaker 3: you're lucky if you had a good outcome from that.
Speaker 3: You never really know how it's going to turn out.
Speaker 3: The surgeries are risky, they generally have to be done again,
Speaker 3: and like I said, you'd never know if you're going
Speaker 3: to look.
Speaker 4: Great or weird.
Speaker 1: So the other thing, you want to look like yourself.
Speaker 1: I just talked about this earlier in the show, Like,
Speaker 1: I have no problem with people doing stuff to their face,
Speaker 1: but at some point when you start to look like
Speaker 1: someone else, like your friends need to have an intervention
Speaker 1: and say this has gone too far. You just want
Speaker 1: to look like yourself, only fresh.
Speaker 3: And it's not like you know, what you're gonna get.
Speaker 3: You go in there with a ton of faith in
Speaker 3: this provider and this surgeon, and you never know what
Speaker 3: you're gonna get, and there are a lot of risks,
Speaker 3: and the downtime and the.
Speaker 4: Healing is significant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Months.
Speaker 3: Whereas these processes and procedures are generally done with the
Speaker 3: patient's own platelets, there are zero risks to this procedure
Speaker 3: or these various procedures because it's your own platelets and
Speaker 3: we're just doing injections. There's no scalpels, there's no anesthesia,
Speaker 3: there's no downtime.
Speaker 1: You do have numbing. I think you should say that,
Speaker 1: because they're definitely numbing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a topical numbing cream that is used.
Speaker 3: It's a very strong three part numbing cream that we use,
Speaker 3: and so that works very well. You get numb for
Speaker 3: like twenty to thirty minutes before the procedure starts. And
Speaker 3: then except for the people who are really brave like.
Speaker 1: You, no, no, no, no, I'm not brave. Numbed me up.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it without numbing cream. No.
Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting to me because it's not just
Speaker 1: about it's not just about vanity. It's not just about
Speaker 1: your joint pain. Now they have you guys do all
Speaker 1: kinds And I'm trying to think of the best way
Speaker 1: to talk about some of this stuff without, you know,
Speaker 1: kids in the car after school situation. But men, they
Speaker 1: have some things that can help you below the belt. Women,
Speaker 1: they have some things that can help you with incontinence issues, laughing, sneezing,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I just think it's gone from
Speaker 1: when I met you, Gary nine years ago. Here we
Speaker 1: were just doing joints. That was all you were doing.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, we've added a lot to it because we
Speaker 2: our passion is to help regenerate the body and to
Speaker 2: get the buy to tap into the boy's own natural
Speaker 2: ability to heal itself. Just like if you cut your arm,
Speaker 2: whether you do something or not, it's gonna heale. Now,
Speaker 2: as we get older, it takes longer, So our objective
Speaker 2: is like, how can we reverse that, How can we
Speaker 2: put that youthfulness back in and get your body to
Speaker 2: regenerate so that you can avoid all this other stuff
Speaker 2: we've been talking about, like surgery and medications.
Speaker 3: Well, and how many people have saved up their whole
Speaker 3: lives and planned their retirement so well, only to get
Speaker 3: there and like their knees hurt so badly that they
Speaker 3: can't walk around Italy or they can't go travel around
Speaker 3: and do the things that they want to do.
Speaker 1: We have that on our Mandy Connell Adventures. People who
Speaker 1: exactly what you just said. They waited till they were retired.
Speaker 1: Now their joints are broken and they can't enjoy it
Speaker 1: the way they want to. This person on the Common
Speaker 1: Spirit Health text line just ask this question. Oh geez,
Speaker 1: hang on it just updated. Could you ask your guests
Speaker 1: about rotator cuffs. Rotator cuff surgery is horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. We've been treating that for years. It
Speaker 2: just depends if it's not a complete tear. We have
Speaker 2: helped many, many people with rotator cuff tears, and what
Speaker 2: we do is we just do it when through the radio.
Speaker 2: We do a complimentary consultation and if we can help, great,
Speaker 2: If we can't, we'll point them into a good direction.
Speaker 3: I had a rotator cuff tear that that was healed
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: Chuck just finished five tendons in his left arm and
Speaker 1: three torn tendons in his right arm, so he's been
Speaker 1: undergoing therapy for that and now he can actually sleep
Speaker 1: without making moaning noises in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of progress.
Speaker 3: That's the number one reason people seek out treatment for
Speaker 3: their shoulders is not because their shoulder herds, because they
Speaker 3: can't sleep because.
Speaker 1: Chicken exactly right now, So people have questions about the
Speaker 1: stem cells. Are they still donated? Now, we've talked about
Speaker 1: this so many times about where this product comes from.
Speaker 1: It does not come from aboarted babies.
Speaker 3: No, nobody wants that, and that's illegal, you know, nobody
Speaker 3: wants that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it. So we do a process called PRP,
Speaker 2: which is taking your own body, your own blood, and
Speaker 2: spinning it down and injecting that. There are other products
Speaker 2: that we get that have have you know, a slew
Speaker 2: of different things like growth factors, cidokinds proteins in them
Speaker 2: that help the body heal. It helps to attract your
Speaker 2: own body stem cells to the area. So it's a
Speaker 2: it's something that we've been doing for many years and
Speaker 2: people to get remarkable results with it.
Speaker 1: You're creating the environment that allows your body to flourish. Right,
Speaker 1: You're laying the groundwork to help your own body do
Speaker 1: its work. Yes, when will regenerative medicine no longer be
Speaker 1: on trial status and then be covered by insurance. That's
Speaker 1: kind of coming along a little bit, but not for
Speaker 1: all companies, right.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting. I think this is.
Speaker 3: Probably the biggest sticking point for the industry. I would say,
Speaker 3: is what's it going to take to get you know,
Speaker 3: if Medicare started covering these treatments, right, or even treatments
Speaker 3: that are in this category. They've gone back and forth
Speaker 3: over the last five years. We'll cover this, but we
Speaker 3: don't cover that. We'll cover this product but not that product.
Speaker 3: And these these products help people so much, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Medicare will stop covering that.
Speaker 1: My own insurance covered PRP injections for my vocal cord surgery,
Speaker 1: but they won't cover PRP injections in my knee. That
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. It's really ridiculous. But
Speaker 1: at least you know baby steps. I know insurance companies
Speaker 1: don't want to sholl out any more money, but for me,
Speaker 1: think of all the money they'd be sick.
Speaker 4: It would be less money.
Speaker 1: Yes, in the long run.
Speaker 2: It's tough when insurance companies in big farmer are in
Speaker 2: bed together. So that's the bottom line, Like if you
Speaker 2: were to, in my opinion, you know, if you were
Speaker 2: to have all these products and services covered, and if
Speaker 2: it was a decrease the amount of prescriptions are written
Speaker 2: there just only hurts the pharmaceutical industry, right. So, and
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they're evil. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: great things that they do. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, their lobby is strong. Their lobby is as strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and they cannot necessarily or they can't get
Speaker 1: any kind of pat and on your own blood cells,
Speaker 1: they can't do that. There's a lot of money in
Speaker 1: the background on this that is working against it. So
Speaker 1: that's very frustrating, But.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, well, yeah, exactly. Here we have let me
Speaker 1: see here, I've got a lot of questions coming in.
Speaker 1: I had on your recommendation, I went to Regen Revolution
Speaker 1: for my shoulder. I had my final shot with Wharton's
Speaker 1: jelly shoulder as well on its way to feeling normal again.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Will this work for bone on bone rist issues? Let's
Speaker 1: talk about where this works in the joints where it
Speaker 1: works the best.
Speaker 3: Like doctor Gary said, earlier. This medicine works. It either
Speaker 3: works a little or it works a lot. Whether it
Speaker 3: works a little or whether it works a lot really
Speaker 3: depends on each individual's case and how far degenerated the
Speaker 3: joint has gotten.
Speaker 4: So I will say, we see a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Come into our office with the diagnosis of bone on
Speaker 3: bone from an orthopedic, and then you know, we look,
Speaker 3: we take our own images of those people, and sometimes
Speaker 3: they've let it go too far and they're not a
Speaker 3: candidate for this kind of medicine anymore.
Speaker 4: But more often than.
Speaker 3: Not, I would say that they are still a candidate
Speaker 3: for this medicine. And it seems like the diagnosis of
Speaker 3: bone on bone has gotten kind of.
Speaker 1: Vague, loosey goosey, let's just say a big bucket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is interesting. What can they do for my wife's
Speaker 1: planner's fasciitis? Doctors say, the padding on her heel is
Speaker 1: more or less gone. You guys got rid of my
Speaker 1: planner's fash iis, but you didn't use any injections at all.
Speaker 1: Use the stupid shockwave gun thing yep is that I
Speaker 1: don't know what it's really called.
Speaker 4: Is it's called shock?
Speaker 1: It's not a stupid gun. But it is a shock wave.
Speaker 1: It's like they hammer your foot with electricity. And I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna lie. It was an it was
Speaker 1: an interesting sensation, that was but it short lived.
Speaker 4: I mean, people love that thing.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a five minute treatment and it's amazingly
Speaker 3: effective at breaking down scar tissue and calcification. And it's
Speaker 3: a like a tap tap tap tap tap, and you
Speaker 3: can to adjust the wavelength and the frequency of what's
Speaker 3: going into the skin depending on how what kind of
Speaker 3: tissue were trying to feel, and it's amazingly effective. We
Speaker 3: use that for a ton of different applications and I
Speaker 3: would say's probably one of the most popular.
Speaker 1: I'm actually hating that because I changed inserts in my
Speaker 1: shoes and now my planner's fashalitis is back on my
Speaker 1: left foot. Yeah, so I got to come back in.
Speaker 1: It's like hammer my foot. But that's it's not a hammer, folks.
Speaker 1: It's well, it feels like a hammer when you're doing
Speaker 1: it on the back of your heel. But there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of massage. Yeah, there's all kinds of different That's
Speaker 1: one of the things I just go in and say, okay,
Speaker 1: here's what's wrong with me, and how do you fix it? Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I do, And generally speaking, there's
Speaker 1: some kind of answer, and sometimes it's just go see
Speaker 1: doctor Cook, the chiropractor, who's amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing staff
Speaker 1: at Downtown Healthcare. Everybody is amazing that you work with.
Speaker 1: They're all I feel like they're the best at what
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 3: We think, so, I mean, that's definitely our aim. I
Speaker 3: think that what's unique about are our staff is the
Speaker 3: way they all collaborate on things. And so if a
Speaker 3: patient does come in and says, hey, this is what's
Speaker 3: going on with me, what should I do? You've got
Speaker 3: a ton of mind share there to sort of come
Speaker 3: up with a collaborative solution where we can kind of
Speaker 3: address a problem from multiple angles.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are asking still asking about insurance.
Speaker 1: So can we clarify by saying some insurances cover some
Speaker 1: parts of this? But I can't answer a blanket question
Speaker 1: on the air because it really varies by what you're
Speaker 1: having done and what your insurance company is. That's accurate, right.
Speaker 4: That's accurate. I mean insurance right now doesn't cover regenerative medicine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it does cover the potentially could cover the
Speaker 2: rehab part of it.
Speaker 4: It does cover a lot of the other stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think the important thing to understand
Speaker 2: is that where we see other places fail at doing
Speaker 2: this is because they just do a regenerative treatment and
Speaker 2: they don't do anything else, right, And what we've learned
Speaker 2: over the years of doing this is that there's some rehabilitation,
Speaker 2: some pt that we need to do to help strengthen
Speaker 2: or stretch out the area properly so.
Speaker 1: You don't come out there again, exactly right. One more
Speaker 1: question that I wanted to get in here before we go,
Speaker 1: Please consider opening an office in northern Colorado. No, not
Speaker 1: until they open an office near me. So just they
Speaker 1: have a beautiful by the way office and Lowry, let's
Speaker 1: let's address that one more time. Why you went from
Speaker 1: downtowns Healthcare to regen Revolution. I wanted to get that
Speaker 1: in today.
Speaker 3: Well, part of the reason is that we opened a
Speaker 3: second location outside of downtown during COVID, So at that
Speaker 3: time we started investigating and exploring, you know, just.
Speaker 4: A rebranding and renaming.
Speaker 3: Then Downtown really did not make the recovery we were
Speaker 3: all hoping for after COVID and you know, our lease
Speaker 3: was up downtown and we decided not to renew our
Speaker 3: lease immediately, and so we consolidated operations to our Lowery office.
Speaker 4: While we're kind of figuring out, and.
Speaker 1: Let me just say, the Lowry office has lots of parking.
Speaker 1: In the parking, it's easy to get to. There's no
Speaker 1: one urinating on the.
Speaker 4: Side on the sidewalk it and stuff around.
Speaker 1: It is a delay. A lot of people are asking
Speaker 1: me specific questions about specific injuries like this. One says,
Speaker 1: I separated my shoulder. Am I a good candidate? Get
Speaker 1: the free console? Like, yeah, just come in and let
Speaker 1: us take a look. Yeah, I mean it's not gonna
Speaker 1: it's free.
Speaker 4: That's what I did.
Speaker 3: And I separated my shoulder. I had a torn rotator cuff.
Speaker 3: I burst it and babed it for years and then
Speaker 3: I finally got this treatment.
Speaker 4: Now it's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you this. If you have a
Speaker 2: you know, if you have a shoulder, elbow, hand, wrists hip, knee, ankle,
Speaker 2: foot issue, spine issue, We've seen it all. Or your
Speaker 2: hair is falling out, or if your hair's falling out,
Speaker 2: or you know.
Speaker 1: Or your pee when you laughed. Whatever it is you,
Speaker 1: they can handle all that.
Speaker 2: We do a free consultation when they're referred by you, Mandy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So basically it doesn't hurt to get you know, it's
Speaker 2: just gonna cost you a little time to find out
Speaker 2: if we can help you.
Speaker 1: And it's it's really I mean, I say all the time,
Speaker 1: like you guys are better than Humpty Dumpty's men because
Speaker 1: you've put me and now Chuck back together again like
Speaker 1: big time. So I mean, you've for me, it's been great,
Speaker 1: But for him it's it's been miraculous.
Speaker 4: He was a skeptic to oh my god.
Speaker 1: For how many years?
Speaker 4: So many years We're always like, why don't you come in? Oh,
Speaker 4: I've got my doctors, I've got my people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got my people, I got my worthrow, I
Speaker 1: got surgery, I got I got drugs. And now he's
Speaker 1: he's a true believer. So you guys really made an
Speaker 1: impact on his life, like huge. Cannot even begin to
Speaker 1: talk about how much of an impact you've made. I
Speaker 1: was at Regen today getting both knees done. Past ninety days.
Speaker 1: Everybody is great, y'all. We're not seen. We're not telling
Speaker 1: people to text you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for commenting everyone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do X rays, Yes, but as a
Speaker 1: console they have to do that, that's sure.
Speaker 4: We don't treat people without doing that.
Speaker 1: Three oh three two nine ninety two. It's a joy
Speaker 1: to see both of you today. Thank you for coming in.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thanks for having regen. Revolution is where
Speaker 1: you want to go. If you want to feel better,
Speaker 1: I swear you just just go and find out if
Speaker 1: they can help you, because they're they've they've saved me.